Wednesday March 11, Part 2

[MrLucky917B]

I would like to see those photos.

So would a lot of us....

[Motomom]

I was surprised how nice the m/h looked. The bedroom was sparse and no linens on the bed (don't know if LE took them), but the LR and kitchen looked nice (I like kitchens). JMO

So was I. I was thinking the house was going to be in disarray. I'm not sure how long Ron's mom and grandmom had in there to clean, but that place was clean. I really want to see what it looked like before hand. From all of the pictures I've seen of Haleigh, I dont' see any where she is in a messy or dirty home, which is a good thing IMO. I didn't expect Misti or ron to keep a tidy house. Of course, they don't have too much there.. makes for less mess. My house is a disaster right now and when I clean it up I always say to myself. keep it this way cause God forbid anyone ever has to come here for an emergency...but then I forget I said that and it gets messy all over again LOL

[sunstar]

So was I. I was thinking the house was going to be in disarray. I'm not sure how long Ron's mom and grandmom had in there to clean, but that place was clean. I really want to see what it looked like before hand. From all of the pictures I've seen of Haleigh, I dont' see any where she is in a messy or dirty home, which is a good thing IMO. I didn't expect Misti or ron to keep a tidy house. Of course, they don't have too much there.. makes for less mess. My house is a disaster right now and when I clean it up I always say to myself. keep it this way cause God forbid anyone ever has to come here for an emergency...but then I forget I said that and it gets messy all over again LOL

I have a feeling it wasn't too messy to begin with. I remember Ron talking about knowing CPS rules for spanking a child, so it seems he's up on what would make for a good appearance for a drop-in visit by CPS. And there really wouldn't be many excuses for the house to be dirty with Misty being home all the time. :wink:

[Motomom]

Re the Cinder Block

It weighs approximately 36 lbs. For someone to lift and carry it, fibers, etc.could cling to it, as mot would hold it with two hands close to their clothing. So irregardless if gloves were worn clothing fibers could be on it.

http://images-partners-tbn.google.com/images?q=tbn:nsvPxi6AMmxM4M:www.toywonders.com/images/cinderblock.jpg


moo


Thanks Swarovski. So there could have been lots of goodies on that cinderblock.
I hope they found something on it.

[Motomom]

Whenever someone's arrested, we probably will!

Well I hope that is soon.. I would really like to find out who LE is really suspecting.. No matter who it is. Even just a hint I'd be happy with at this point LOL

[Motomom]

I have a feeling it wasn't too messy to begin with. I remember Ron talking about knowing CPS rules for spanking a child, so it seems he's up on what would make for a good appearance for a drop-in visit by CPS. And there really wouldn't be many excuses for the house to be dirty with Misty being home all the time. :wink:

LOL all so very true.

[playnice]

Well I hope that is soon.. I would really like to find out who LE is really suspecting.. No matter who it is. Even just a hint I'd be happy with at this point LOL

They have to know something and have a suspect in mind but lacking proof, blotched this case up or getting ready to make an arrest. Its just hard to believe when they say they are totally clueless.

[Motomom]

So true MrLucky and we also don't know what kind of cleaning up Misty did prior to le arriving. Who knows what the real "look" of the mh was, because I have a real hard time envisioning Misty as some type of clean freak. Actually, who even knows if Haleigh's mattress was really located in Ron & Misty's room, they could have thrown that mattress down in their room in two seconds prior to le arriving.

moo

You'll probably come across the post about that. How it wouldn't make much sense to put the mattress in Ron and Misti's room, when it would be more believable that someone snuck in and stole her from her room. Where you wouldnt' necessarily think Misti would wake up. Something along those lines :)

ETA that wasn't my idea. I forget the op though.

[Speedy30]

So true MrLucky and we also don't know what kind of cleaning up Misty did prior to le arriving. Who knows what the real "look" of the mh was, because I have a real hard time envisioning Misty as some type of clean freak. Actually, who even knows if Haleigh's mattress was really located in Ron & Misty's room, they could have thrown that mattress down in their room in two seconds prior to le arriving.

moo

I think Misty and Ron got rid of all drug paraphernalia before calling the police. I dont think Misty could just call the cops, I think there would have been charges brought on Ron based on what was found in the home, and Misty didn't want that, or suffer the wrath of Ron.

jmo

[sunstar]

Well I hope that is soon.. I would really like to find out who LE is really suspecting.. No matter who it is. Even just a hint I'd be happy with at this point LOL

I hope so too. And I still pray she's alive.



Have a good night everybody! :seeya:

[Motomom]

The Magical Moment

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html#


belch

I was really scared to enlarge that photo.. i was. It took you posting that link, and me reading it twice before I did LOL. I know you won't believe me lol.. but I swear, it looks like both of them were on the verge of tears to me. It doesn't even look like Misti has that quirky, trying to hold a smile back, grin. Now, I want to see more of them. I didn't before, now I do. I'd like to see what the mood may have been.

[Speedy30]

The Magical Moment

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html#


belch

Gag me.

Wow

[Motomom]

True, but I still wouldn't count it out. Maybe something went down in that room and they wanted to avoid it as the main focus. Listen, anything is posible in this twisted mess, anything.

Did everyone already discuss Nancy Grace tonight? I was totally thrown by it tonight, bizarre!

moo

You've never seen me post something was impossible with this case.. I'm a CA follower.. I know anything is possible. I tend to go with my gut feeling, evidence at hand, logic and common sense though.. so MO changes.

It doesn't seem probable to me, that they would have set it up to make it look like she was sleeping in their room.. it just doesn't make sense is all.

What was it about NG that threw you a bit? I am rewatching her now.. and her demeaner with the lawyer was ..edgy IMO

[PBJMOM4]

You know, I've been a "crime junkie" for a long time.

When the last last Michael Jackson molestation trial went underway and Jackson was exhibiting the crazy behavior, I kept saying to myself, "this is crazy, I've never seen such!".

When the Terri Shiavo case was national news, I took a step back and said to myself, "this is crazy, I've never seen such!".

When Natalee Holloway became front page news, I watched and read the coverage and thought to myself, "this is crazy, I've never seen such!".

Last summer the Caylee Anthony case comes around. When discussing it I'd say to others (and to myself), "this is the craziest thing yet! I've never seen such! This case takes the crazy cake!".

I was wrong. The Haleigh case is.....crazy. I've never seen such! :ohmy:

LOL Blackbird, I've been in "lurk mode" through all those cases too!
Another "craziest thing" case was during ANS case!

K, back to Haleigh,
I don't get what LE is doing with the door.
Why now? why so long AFTER?

[catdoc]

Re the Cinder Block

It weighs approximately 36 lbs. For someone to lift and carry it, fibers, etc.could cling to it, as mot would hold it with two hands close to their clothing. So irregardless if gloves were worn clothing fibers could be on it.

http://images-partners-tbn.google.com/images?q=tbn:nsvPxi6AMmxM4M:www.toywonders.com/images/cinderblock.jpg


moo

The cinder block or "brick" that was shown in the earliest photos showed just a corner piece of a cinder block. It was on the news and probably in links but I remember thinking "Boy the reports early on were misleading about how heavy cinderblock would be and how difficult to carry but the piece shown probably would not weigh 4 or 5 pounds. On the video I saw they took that piece (a corner) and showed how the door was propped open. They said " a cinderblock, SIMILAR ot this one " was used to block the screen door (later found out to be a storm door. Just an example how media causes inconcistincies due to simple reporting errors. Now was it a whole block or a corner piece (easy to carry and hide).:shrug:

[playnice]

I dont suppose there is any way to pick a location and get records of all cell phone # that pinged off that tower during a certain time frame?

[Speedy30]

Thanks for the link Swar, you're always so good to us and your posts and links save me so much time as I missed most of today's discussions/debates, so thanks!

BUT, belch or barf? What do you all think of these two statements:

"It's going to be hard. It's an event that Haleigh really should be at, but when she comes home, we'll have a great big wedding so she can be the flower girl and see it all again," Neves said.

"I think Haleigh is going to be very happy when she comes home," Neves said.


Whether Ron knows what happened to Haleigh or not makes no difference to me. It is crystal clear to me that his intentions and focus are all about him, both in the past and present. Makes me sick. How the he!! can gma say "I think Haleigh is going to be very happy when she comes home"?????? HUH???? Wth? Am I just losing my mind? How can anyone defend that? I feel like we are watching a story unfold from a third world country fgs.

moo


OMG, his daughter could be chained in a room somewhere being sexually abused, and he thinks she is going to be so happy if she comes home, wow.

Thats all I can say.

His actions, he knows Haleigh isn't coming home. I think its time for LE to go the Casey Anthony route, talk to friends he hung out with as a youth and find out if there are any obscure places they used to play as kids.

jmo

[?noanswer]

I dont suppose there is any way to pick a location and get records of all cell phone # that pinged off that tower during a certain time frame?

LE got a lot of cell phone records in the Caylee case. Course KC was making a lot of calls. One would think Le has collected the activity on the players in this saga. But if a stranger came around and made a call, I don't know if there is a way to trace calls without a name/number. JMO

[Motomom]

snippe What do you all think of these two statements:

"It's going to be hard. It's an event that Haleigh really should be at, but when she comes home, we'll have a great big wedding so she can be the flower girl and see it all again," Neves said.

"I think Haleigh is going to be very happy when she comes home," Neves said.


Whether Ron knows what happened to Haleigh or not makes no difference to me. It is crystal clear to me that his intentions and focus are all about him, both in the past and present. Makes me sick. How the he!! can gma say "I think Haleigh is going to be very happy when she comes home"?????? HUH???? Wth? Am I just losing my mind? How can anyone defend that? I feel like we are watching a story unfold from a third world country fgs.

moo


It's not quite right to me.

Of course haleigh is going to be happy when/if she comes home. She'd be happy she was home for one thing..

It isn't clear to me why this is happening..not at all. I may not believe Ron had anything to do with her disappearance, but this move isn't a good one IMO. I think there is an underlying reason they are doing this. JMO

[Motomom]

The cinder block or "brick" that was shown in the earliest photos showed just a corner piece of a cinder block. It was on the news and probably in links but I remember thinking "Boy the reports early on were misleading about how heavy cinderblock would be and how difficult to carry but the piece shown probably would not weigh 4 or 5 pounds. On the video I saw they took that piece (a corner) and showed how the door was propped open. They said " a cinderblock, SIMILAR ot this one " was used to block the screen door (later found out to be a storm door. Just an example how media causes inconcistincies due to simple reporting errors. Now was it a whole block or a corner piece (easy to carry and hide).:shrug:

I agree with you catdog in regards to the media.I didn't see that video. Who was doing the interview? LE or was it media showing the block and calling it similar? The Media has botched their reporting of this crime.. I notice lots of errors too on their articles. I think they each try to be the first one's to get something out.. the media wants to control everything these days it seems. JMO

[Beth Englema]

If Haleigh comes home, if what possibly she's been subjected to, I doubt her fram of mind would be happy at all. She would be a little, sad broken spirit of what she once was. In serious need of medical and mental help. Not a pretty picture at all to visualize. moo Yes, but at least Ron and Misty would be married, that should cheer her up since that is what she always wanted.

[playnice]

LE got a lot of cell phone records in the Caylee case. Course KC was making a lot of calls. One would think Le has collected the activity on the players in this saga. But if a stranger came around and made a call, I don't know if there is a way to trace calls without a name/number. JMO

With all the technology today it would be a nice software program where they could do a sorting or something and find what # pinged off certain towers. Would really help solving crimes when you dont know who the perp is.

[catdoc]

I don't get where so many trash Misti about the long delay before calling 911. I read the report where she said she saw a 3 but I've seen many reports that said it was about 5 minutes before Ron got home and during that time she was looking thru the house and calling Ron (maybe first thinking he had come home). She might have been used to waking up at about that time, at least to some degree, when he came home. 5 minutes seems an appropriate delay, not to hide something but to mke sure she didn't get up and fall asleep somewhere else. And to tell the truth, she probably wanted an adult to tell her what to do.

[Motomom]

Yes, that's what I got, but Nancy just did not seem herself. She seemed p*ssed at the attorney and angry in general. Her line of thinking seems very skewed lately and I have to wonder why? She seems also to be holding back so much. Is she being forced to cover this story? I don't think so because she doesn't seem like one that would be told what to do, but her coverage of this case seems just as bizarre as Haleigh vanishing into thin air.

moo

Yes, she did seem angry and didn't seem happy with that attorney. I really think that is because of Crystal and Marie going on tv with the accusations they did. Remember a few nights ago..don't remember when, wasn't Marie on there and NG cut her off when she went to talk about what Ron was covering on his neck? She doesn't want to hear that I dont' think. That bashing.. you know, she seemed very "protective" over what was said about CA and GA before wasn't she?? Is she mellowing out after having her children? I dont' think so because it was after her children when she kept interupting and being abrasive with Tim miller.

I don't think that NG gets inside inside information, but she may get some good leaks once in a while. She may have spoken with the family members aside from just speakign with them on the air (not sure if she does that to be honest). Or NG just thinks she right about everything LOL

[playnice]

Yes, she did seem angry and didn't seem happy with that attorney. I really think that is because of Crystal and Marie going on tv with the accusations they did. Remember a few nights ago..don't remember when, wasn't Marie on there and NG cut her off when she went to talk about what Ron was covering on his neck? She doesn't want to hear that I dont' think. That bashing.. you know, she seemed very "protective" over what was said about CA and GA before wasn't she?? Is she mellowing out after having her children? I dont' think so because it was after her children when she kept interupting and being abrasive with Tim miller.

I don't think that NG gets inside inside information, but she may get some good leaks once in a while. She may have spoken with the family members aside from just speakign with them on the air (not sure if she does that to be honest). Or NG just thinks she right about everything LOL

She was this way with Mark Lunsford too and this was before the Melinda ducket deal. I think there are people that she thinks are not guilty and handles them more respectfully.

[annalyzer]

I am glad that LE seized the door that was reportedly left propped open
but I wonder about the clarity of any evidence left on it? I assume it was dusted for prints from the start of this investigation. Apparently they want to re-dust it or something ? Just a thought.
Now that the Cummings family has gone into the trailer and cleaned up after LE, finger print dust removed etc.... I hope that this door still holds something of value that will help with finding Haleigh.

I was thinking, lol, there is no way there is still evidence on that door that wasn't collected while they had the home secured all that time. They must have taken the door to hold until the trial. :ohmy:
They will be using that door to prove something in their prosecution.

[catdoc]

I agree with you catdog in regards to the media.I didn't see that video. Who was doing the interview? LE or was it media showing the block and calling it similar? The Media has botched their reporting of this crime.. I notice lots of errors too on their articles. I think they each try to be the first one's to get something out.. the media wants to control everything these days it seems. JMO

It was a local media guy re-creating the scene. He said there was a pile of these blocks and peices of blocks just a few steps away from the MH. Ron said he had never seen them because he had never gone back there.

[playnice]

I was thinking, lol, there is no way there is still evidence on that door that wasn't collected while they had the home secured all that time. They must have taken the door to hold until the trial. :ohmy:
They will be using that door to prove something in their prosecution.

Thats what I think too. something must have come back from the lab.

[Motomom]

If Haleigh comes home, if what possibly she's been subjected to, I doubt her fram of mind would be happy at all. She would be a little, sad broken spirit of what she once was. In serious need of medical and mental help. Not a pretty picture at all to visualize.

moo

You dont' think she would be happy to be out of the hands of a creep? Of course she would. Just as she would need all that you mentioned as well. She would still be a person, with feelings. Maybe when I say happy you see a little girl jumping up and down in excitement. That's not what I'm suggesting. i'm suggesting that she would be happy to be home.. Relieved to be home. happy she is no longer in the hands of a stranger. She may not be able to express that when she first comes home.. but I'm pretty sure it would end up that way. JMO though. :)

[Motomom]

I don't get where so many trash Misti about the long delay before calling 911. I read the report where she said she saw a 3 but I've seen many reports that said it was about 5 minutes before Ron got home and during that time she was looking thru the house and calling Ron (maybe first thinking he had come home). She might have been used to waking up at about that time, at least to some degree, when he came home. 5 minutes seems an appropriate delay, not to hide something but to mke sure she didn't get up and fall asleep somewhere else. And to tell the truth, she probably wanted an adult to tell her what to do.

I don't think the time period from her waking up, to her calling 911 is that big of a deal to be honest. I know every second counts but you have to look around first. Your mind has to focus some I would imagine, after just waking up and finding her gone. IMO

[Motomom]

She was this way with Mark Lunsford too and this was before the Melinda ducket deal. I think there are people that she thinks are not guilty and handles them more respectfully.

It could be something as simple as that playnice. You are right.

[Motomom]

I was thinking, lol, there is no way there is still evidence on that door that wasn't collected while they had the home secured all that time. They must have taken the door to hold until the trial. :ohmy:
They will be using that door to prove something in their prosecution.

I wonder if they found hair on the door? Maybe from whoever took haleigh out of the house, maybe her hair got caught on the door? .. I could go way out there too and suggest something similiar to the hair in CA's trunk too.. I dont' believe she was killed in the trailer though. I think there would have been an arrest by now if that were the case.

[cloe23]

Isn't it something Speedy. The chutzpah to say something like that.

((((shaking my head))))

moo

I thougth chutzpah means good luck?? Off to google.

[Leather&Lace]

If Haleigh comes home, if what possibly she's been subjected to, I doubt her fram of mind would be happy at all. She would be a little, sad broken spirit of what she once was. In serious need of medical and mental help. Not a pretty picture at all to visualize.

moo

ITA with this post!

If (huge IF) little Haleigh ever comes home alive then it will be a very long, hard battle for her and everyone in her life. I think the last thing on Haleigh's mind would be a wedding.
Inappropriate any way you look at it IMO. I just cannot shake how inappropriate this engagement is at this tragic time.

JMO

[Motomom]

Either that or she is as stumped as we are, lol. But I did find it weird that she was all over that lawyer and insinuating now was not the right time to get a lawyer, however I couldn't disagree more if that is her angle because I thought both Crystal and Ron needed lawyers about 2 weeks ago to handle the media and to guide them into better choices, hope Ron follows Crystals lead because he clearly isn't thinking straight, imo. Course, if the lawyer does go after custody, he's going to need a lawyer anyway.

moo

Well, he'd be foolish at this point to represent himself in a custoy battle, because I agree with you, he is not thinking clearly right now. Maybe NG is stumped. The only thing I remain pretty solid on is that I do not believe Ron has anything to do with her disappearance. I don't think Misti did either, but it's quite possible she did. I can entertain theories about Misti...either doing something or having known who took her. I go back and forth all day long about her.

[playnice]

This LE is so tight lipped I think they will keep everyone undersuspicion in the public to not tip the perp they are on to him.
They either dont have nothing or they are not going to tell anything until we hear an arrest has been made.
Something may be up because of the 2 state attorneys last week walking thru the trailer ande now the removal of this door.
I hope we are close to an arrest.

[playnice]

Well, he'd be foolish at this point to represent himself in a custoy battle, because I agree with you, he is not thinking clearly right now. Maybe NG is stumped. The only thing I remain pretty solid on is that I do not believe Ron has anything to do with her disappearance. I don't think Misti did either, but it's quite possible she did. I can entertain theories about Misti...either doing something or having known who took her. I go back and forth all day long about her.

Im with you.

[Motomom]

I just wonder how she's going to feel, knowing the "mommy" she trusted didn't wake up and help her, this is the same "mommy" that daddy went and married while she was missing, taking valuable time away from Haleigh. To me it is nothing more than a huge indicator that Misty wins, imo.

moo

Well I dont think that Haleigh would think THAT deeply about things. I don't think she is would be thinking that it was Misti's fault she was gone. Not in her little mind. We don't know what goes through a childs mind when something like that happens. We can only imagine, unless one of us was snatched from our bed in the middle of the night. She's not going to be analyzing the time spent or not spent on her IMO. Maybe when she's older, but not now IMO.

Your last comment though confuses me. Do you think it was a competittion between misti and haleigh for ron's attention?

[cloe23]

I was thinking, lol, there is no way there is still evidence on that door that wasn't collected while they had the home secured all that time. They must have taken the door to hold until the trial. :ohmy:
They will be using that door to prove something in their prosecution.

I hope so.

[cloe23]

No need. Here ya go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah

One meaning is overstepping boundaries, but there are many variations.

See you learn something every day here.

LOL, I have a green button I ware on my jean jacket that says's ' I got chutzpah' How ironic.:w00t:

[Motomom]

Right after months if not years of therapy. It took Elizabeth Smart over a year to even begin to come out of her shell and socialize, and she was much older than Haliegh. Funny, too, Elizabeth didn't seem all that happy to be rescued, IRC. She was quite sullen an unanimated.

moo

Haleigh is much younger than Elizabeth. They bounce back much more quickly when they are young.IMO 5 yr olds.. memory fades at 5. Before words are put in my mouth, I'm not suggesting that she would not remember her ordeal. I'm suggesting that the memories fade. I can remember some things from even earlier than age 5, but not many. Just like Junior, chomping away on his chips. I'm sure he misses her dearly, but if she doesn't come back soon, his memory of her may soon fade if they don't keep talking about her. JMO though.

[Motomom]

That, or they found something like clothing that had a tear in it. They want to see if the door know or something on that door caused it. Whatever, I'm glad to see movement again on this investigation.

moo

I keep going back to I wonder what she was wearing when LE got there.. Misti that is. I never thought of a tear. I wonder if LE took the clothes that Misti was wearing that night? Do you think they did? If they noticed material on the door, I think they would have gone back in and looked through clothes. what do you think?

[Motomom]

This LE is so tight lipped I think they will keep everyone undersuspicion in the public to not tip the perp they are on to him.
They either dont have nothing or they are not going to tell anything until we hear an arrest has been made.
Something may be up because of the 2 state attorneys last week walking thru the trailer ande now the removal of this door.
I hope we are close to an arrest.

Makes sense to me. Do you have anyone in mind if that is the case? Is it going to be a shocker for some I wonder.. Myself included because I would be really surprised if either parent is taken in for this, as I just don't think they had anything to do with it.

[Leather&Lace]

Haleigh is much younger than Elizabeth. They bounce back much more quickly when they are young.IMO 5 yr olds.. memory fades at 5. Before words are put in my mouth, I'm not suggesting that she would not remember her ordeal. I'm suggesting that the memories fade. I can remember some things from even earlier than age 5, but not many. Just like Junior, chomping away on his chips. I'm sure he misses her dearly, but if she doesn't come back soon, his memory of her may soon fade if they don't keep talking about her. JMO though.


Respectfully Motomom, we are talking about horrible abuse memory which will not fade. The trauma from being taken from her bed and abused will affect Haleigh in a different way than just time passing as she gets older.
If she were to come home and get on OK, those suppressed memories will rear their ugly head at some point in her life.
I do not see even a 5 y/o being OK after a traumatic event such as this.

Praying Haleigh does return home even to deal with her trauma.
JMO

[Motomom]

<bolding mine>

I don't know about competition, but I do think Misty was jealous of Haleigh. Only my opinion though...

sorry if I messed the quote up, was trying to fix it grrr..

I can see this as a good possibility.. Misti jealous of Haleigh.

[cloe23]

You sure its not a shamrock. That does mean good luck!!

Hugs

Positive it is a green button.
I know a shamrock means good luck, geese.

[Motomom]

Respectfully Motomom, we are talking about horrible abuse memory which will not fade. The trauma from being taken from her bed and abused will affect Haleigh in a different way than just time passing as she gets older.
If she were to come home and get on OK, those suppressed memories will rear their ugly head at some point in her life.
I do not see even a 5 y/o being OK after a traumatic event such as this.

Praying Haleigh does return home even to deal with her trauma.
JMO

We don't know what she has or is suffering. We have no idea. I cannot go there in my head, where you and others are going with that. I just can't, or I'll never sleep.

All I said is that she would be happy to be home.. I explained that already in a post before this so I won't get into it again.

It's ok to disagree..:)

[Motomom]

What if, if, if, if, an arrest is made during the wedding?! Oooooooh, that would be unbelievable. Will camera's be at the wedding? Anyone hear where they will be exchanging the blissful nuptials? Anyone wondering what Misty will wear? Isn't it set to go off tomorrow? That's what I heard on the news anyway. Oh man, it's a stretch but if le busted in and arrested someone during the ceremony, wooohooo, that wouldn't shock me at all, but would be perfect timing imo.

OMG can you imagine?

There is a link posted with the information in it. I don't believe cameras are allowed inside.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Any new developments today?


Have not seen tv or computer all day!

I went to finally see The Watchmen and there was a scene in that movie that broke my heart and reminded me of this case ... not in actuality but more so in possibility (anyone who has seen the movie knows what I am talking about)

Just reminded me of how callous the impending marriage is under the circumstances

(sigh)

[Leather&Lace]

We don't know what she has or is suffering. We have no idea. I cannot go there in my head, where you and others are going with that. I just can't, or I'll never sleep.

All I said is that she would be happy to be home.. I explained that already in a post before this so I won't get into it again.

It's ok to disagree..:)

I certainly agree with you that Haleigh would be very happy to be home! Ditto same that it is also difficult for me to visualize the horrible things that may have happened to her or that might be happening to her currently.

I'll never understand how anyone could harm a child!

Peace :smile:

[Motomom]

I certainly agree with you that Haleigh would be very happy to be home! Ditto same that it is also difficult for me to visualize the horrible things that may have happened to her or that might be happening to her currently.

I'll never understand how anyone could harm a child!

Peace :smile:

Me either leather. How cruel some people are, it makes me so sick to my stomach, as I am sure it does to everyone. I just don't understand it, not a little bit. I just had to turn off my favorite channel (ID) because I can't take anymore stories of death right now. I like to think that God does not let the children suffer, he takes them to another place. Have you ever read The lovely bones? Anyway, I pray that Haleigh comes home, or her little body is found and put to rest.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Me either leather. How cruel some people are, it makes me so sick to my stomach, as I am sure it does to everyone. I just don't understand it, not a little bit. I just had to turn off my favorite channel (ID) because I can't take anymore stories of death right now. I like to think that God does not let the children suffer, he takes them to another place. Have you ever read The lovely bones? Anyway, I pray that Haleigh comes home, or her little body is found and put to rest.



There is downright evil walking the face of the Earth ... it is all too sad and scary

Especially crimes against children who are the purest form of innocence

[Leather&Lace]

:confused:

This has always bothered me ~

Since Misty did not call 911 to report Haleigh missing until Ron got home, WHY didn't Ron call himself to report his daughter missing?
It was not like he was running around outside looking for his daughter because you can hear him in the background on the 911 audio.

Bothers me? Don't know why but just bothers me.

[TaraCrazyHair]

There's this Tara.

Click on the x to enlarge the magical moment .

Note the large doggie bags on the bench.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html


Tomorrow is the wedding day?

Woah ... that is a rush wedding!

I wonder what is really up??

The ink will not even be dry on the license

[TaraCrazyHair]

:confused:

This has always bothered me ~

Since Misty did not call 911 to report Haleigh missing until Ron got home, WHY didn't Ron call himself to report his daughter missing?
It was not like he was running around outside looking for his daughter because you can hear him in the background on the 911 audio.

Bothers me? Don't know why but just bothers me.


He probably yelled at her to

MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think LE has more class than that to interuppt a church ceremony. Or I hope they do.

I would hope they would stop it before it even started


Now .. why are they waiting until now to take the back door?

What have they learned?

Very interesting

[Leather&Lace]

Me either leather. How cruel some people are, it makes me so sick to my stomach, as I am sure it does to everyone. I just don't understand it, not a little bit. I just had to turn off my favorite channel (ID) because I can't take anymore stories of death right now. I like to think that God does not let the children suffer, he takes them to another place. Have you ever read The lovely bones? Anyway, I pray that Haleigh comes home, or her little body is found and put to rest.

No, I have not read "The Lovely Bones". Ummm, I'll have to check that one out.

Wow, just did a google and the movie is due out this December. I'll definitely read the book before seeing the movie. (Book is always better to me.)

[catdoc]

I have not been suspicious of any family members or Misti once they went thru all the interviews and LDT's but I can't figure out that performance of Crystal's today. Why was she pretending to cry? When you cry, your eyes and nose swell and turn red, your nose runs, and tears come out of your eyes. Why woudn't she just say she was cried out? Why pretend? It put me in mind of Susan SMith. I'm trying to think of a good reason for the performing because I don't want to suspect her of involvement. I do suspect her of apathy, since the begining.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Crystal has hired an atty. She was on NG tonight. Check bck tomorrow for the transcript. Quite an interesting segment. The lawyer seems quite polished and experienced in family law.

moo


Family law?


So this rush marriage is all about custody?

Sorry but that would truly make me sick if so

[Motomom]

No, I have not read "The Lovely Bones". Ummm, I'll have to check that one out.

Wow, just did a google and the movie is due out this December. I'll definitely read the book before seeing the movie. (Book is always better to me.)

Oh is it? I knew they were making one. I can't wait for it. The book was an easy read. I'm sure you saw what it was about if you googled it.

Sorry for the O/T

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have not been suspicious of any family members or Misti once they went thru all the interviews and LDT's but I can't figure out that performance of Crystal's today. Why was she pretending to cry? When you cry, your eyes and nose swell and turn red, your nose runs, and tears come out of your eyes. Why woudn't she just say she was cried out? Why pretend? It put me in mind of Susan SMith. I'm trying to think of a good reason for the performing because I don't want to suspect her of involvement. I do suspect her of apathy, since the begining.


In all fairness .. Ron did not bother to cry at all

He was as fake as the nails on my daughter's fingers

MOO!

[Leather&Lace]

There's this Tara.

Click on the x to enlarge the magical moment .

Note the large doggie bags on the bench.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html

First time I have seen this proposal pic. Thanks for the link.
What strikes me right off is how young Misty looks. I noticed same in the 2/12/09 Greta Interview. Misty might be 17 y/o but she looks really, really young to me!

I hate to say this but I wonder what the average age is of girls that Ron Cummings has dated? Just curious.

MOO

[Motomom]

Yes, I read the book quite awhile ago. I think everyone here wants the same for Haleigh, to come home, or at least to be found. I will venture to say the Cummings and Sheffield families wish it even more intently than we do.

moo

I know they do. I wish they would come together for this tragedy as well.

[catdoc]

Oh and Mom had to hold her up and help her walk up and back. What was that about? She's been walking around fine for a month...? :confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yes, I read the book quite awhile ago. I think everyone here wants the same for Haleigh, to come home, or at least to be found. I will venture to say the Cummings and Sheffield families wish it even more intently than we do.

moo


Wasn't the child killed and her killer was allowed to walk away?

Or am I confusing something else?

It is late and i might be ...

[TaraCrazyHair]

Oh and Mom had to hold her up and help her walk up and back. What was that about? She's been walking around fine for a month...? :confused:


I have to wonder if LE might have placed some ideas in her head and she is simply wrung out

I am one who does not think Crystal had anything to do with this

(shrug)

[catdoc]

In all fairness .. Ron did not bother to cry at all

He was as fake as the nails on my daughter's fingers

MOO!

But my view was at least he didn't pretend. I could buy that he's cried out. Because his crying constantly for 2 weeks was convincing to me. Not just crying but his voice inflecting upwards in tenor to that of a little boy, NOT something a grown man would do unless overcome.

[TaraCrazyHair]

But my view was at least he didn't pretend. I could buy that he's cried out. Because his crying constantly for 2 weeks was convincing to me. Not just crying but his voice inflecting upwards in tenor to that of a little boy, NOT something a grown man would do unless overcome.


He was flat and monotone to me

And not removing the sunglasses was a real bother as well

Like he was hiding

Sorry -- do not trust him as far as i could throw him

Something is not right, especially with the proposal, his attitude and now marrying the day the license is valid

[RoxyWest]

I would hope they would stop it before it even started


Now .. why are they waiting until now to take the back door?

What have they learned?

Very interesting

Very good question. Wasn't the home released to Ron?

That would seem to indicate that they have thought of something since releasing the home (I believe last week).

Better late than never. Here's hoping it leads to something.

[Leather&Lace]

I have to wonder if LE might have placed some ideas in her head and she is simply wrung out

I am one who does not think Crystal had anything to do with this

(shrug)

This may sound cold but it is how I feel.

IA, I don't think Cristal (bio-mom) had anything at all to do with Haleigh missing. I just believe that Crystal has gotten on with her life and may not have that mother/child bond since she did not have custody.

I just truly believe that if Crystal had a deep bond with Haleigh and Junior she would been doing everything possible to get custody. Instead, she is busy having another baby and moving on. Neglecting to pay child support for her babies?
Anyway, I am sure she loves Haleigh but I don't see the trauma in Crystal when she asks for Haleigh to be returned. JMO tho.

[teresa]

The link and church via Theresa's info is back a few pages. Theresa invited anyone to come to the outside of the church and watch. :angry:

moo

lol, the way you turn a phrase, we need to get you on TV. You twisted the meaning a little there.

[Motomom]

This may sound cold but it is how I feel.

IA, I don't think Cristal (bio-mom) had anything at all to do with Haleigh missing. I just believe that Crystal has gotten on with her life and may not have that mother/child bond since she did not have custody.

I just truly believe that if Crystal had a deep bond with Haleigh and Junior she would been doing everything possible to get custody. Instead, she is busy having another baby and moving on. Neglecting to pay child support for her babies?
Anyway, I am sure she loves Haleigh but I don't see the trauma in Crystal when she asks for Haleigh to be returned. JMO tho.


That is exactly how I feel about Crystal Leather. I dont' think it's cold.. just your perception and mine as well.

[catdoc]

I don't understand his behavior but the best explanation I have heard was the guy on NG who had lost a daughter 20 yrs ago and he said that around 30 days you hit a wall and his behavior became erratic too. Too bad someone strong and wise is not there to advise him. I DO NOT think he knows anything or contributed in any way. I don't think Crystal did either but I don't think she cared much and sees a chance to take her revenge on Ron. She threw some dirty accusations at him that she could not back up. Even changed her story on who told her about who saw Ron backslap Hayleigh. When she tried to get Chad to back her up he just hung his head, obviously wanting no part of it. Showed a pic of Hayleigh"beat to a pulp" that was obviously not true. It looked like a school accident, not a grown man hitting her in the face. I blame Geraldo and her for being stupid to go along with him. I've never heard Ron speak badly about her, even after that fiasco.

[TaraCrazyHair]

And that in a nutshell is why they are getting married. I think with all the media coverage of this relationship it puts the kibosh on any charges on him for Statutory rape. It has nothing to do with what Haleigh wanted as the chances she will come home or slim to none at this point. He knows it an so does LE. This POS is just covering his Arse.
:angry:


That is exactly what I think as well

Nothing else makes sense

It certainly is not because it would make "Haleigh happy"

Bugs were placed in his ear and he has no other choice

Either that or they are both dumb enough to think that spousal privilege would take place

The parents of both of these two should be talking sense into them not agreeing to it (unless it was their advice .. and in that case hmmmmm)

I simply do not get it

[teresa]

This may sound cold but it is how I feel.

IA, I don't think Cristal (bio-mom) had anything at all to do with Haleigh missing. I just believe that Crystal has gotten on with her life and may not have that mother/child bond since she did not have custody.

I just truly believe that if Crystal had a deep bond with Haleigh and Junior she would been doing everything possible to get custody. Instead, she is busy having another baby and moving on. Neglecting to pay child support for her babies?
Anyway, I am sure she loves Haleigh but I don't see the trauma in Crystal when she asks for Haleigh to be returned. JMO tho.

I don't either. Did you see the interview they did with her around the time the first video was released? She was bouncing her baby and looking at the monitor of Haleigh and she said "at least we have these now". Like a video can help that much? It would make me cry harder and this time, she didn't even try to look sad.

I'm not saying she doesn't love her, but when you see your child 4 days a month, at most, that isn't the same thing. I know because my step-daughter has lived with me for 12 years (since she was 5) and I am the one she comes to for the motherly stuff. She loves her mom but she knows who raised her. Her mom lives 150 miles away and you just can't be on call like you can when they live with you. She was 3 when her dad got custody and she has no memory of ever living with her.

[catdoc]

And that in a nutshell is why they are getting married. I think with all the media coverage of this relationship it puts the kibosh on any charges on him for Statutory rape. It has nothing to do with what Haleigh wanted as the chances she will come home or slim to none at this point. He knows it an so does LE. This POS is just covering his Arse.
:angry:

Why do you call Ron a POS? I don't get it. He is a victim of the worst possible crime.

People who think he's afraid of being prosecuted for STat. Rape when tha parents are consenting have just never lived in the deep South. This kind of thing is very common. I got married 5 days after my 17th birthday. (people didn't shack up back then). If parents are OK with it and she's 17, then LE is OK with it.

[catdoc]

One thing is certain. Just because you know people in the Dept does not mean your son is going to "get off".

LE will never give up on Haleigh. I am 100% that Ron and Misty know exactly what happened to this child and this is a copy cat case. What they have done in the media, proves that to me among other "things"...
Just those usual petty mistakes that Liars cannot hide no matter how hard they try...Ronald Cummings is afraid. He stopped his false pleas "baby if you can hear me" (reminds me of the detective that asked casey what do you think she is going to fly home??) I feel the same about Ronald Cummings pleas. I hope that the FBI has done a voice annalsis on both him and Misty. I can already hear exactly what I need to in them both. It's an interesting "science"....

Turn up the volume, don't watch the video, just listen. He slurs his words too.

Today as I was working away on my project I sat straight up. Thinking, OK Ronald has admitted that he did see this relative who is missing since SuperBowl. Then that "gun story"... This is his story, their story. We dont know for sure that he was there with Ron or that there was any confrontation at all.

But, what if there was, and what if there was an early scheme, a promise of money and funds, the child returned safely in a few weeks...
after they have their story and book deals too. And wedding and photo ops and new rings, tvs and gee whiz, even a donated home!!

As with Madeleine and Caylee and so many others, there is that tiny glimmer of hope that I get and it's a sad day when you hope that the "parents" have concocted a story, for money or media coverage and exposure. It's a glimmer of hope like that when I hope that they have.

For me it's only a tiny glimmer of hope. I wouldn't put it past these people. It is a thought though, since no one can find him. I'm sure that LE would have ran down every single one of his girlfriends, family members etc in TN or elsewhere. Does this person have Haleigh and is she alive?

I doubt it. But I wish it were so.

I think that someone lost their temper for the last time. A Pact is a Pact, and with a violent person, they will hold that over your head until you are also Dead. Ronald Cummings is the one who has issues with very young girls. His mother can go on national TV all she want's she is not going to change the image of her son. Or his past history of violence.

LE has their act together. They know what they are doing, so does the FBI. They have their hard drive from their home PC I'm sure. Just because the PC was sitting there in the room still, doesnt mean they did not copy the drive for information. I wonder what they found....
Another little child who didnt have a chance. Another "family" willing to profit daily off of their "missing" child. Problem is their story stinks and it has from hour ONE. Like so many others.
Kat

Just for the record, I stongly disagree with everything you said here except thet "Le has their act together. They know what they are doing". Other than that, we could not see things more differently.

[teresa]

Just for the record, I stongly disagree with everything you said here except thet "Le has their act together. They know what they are doing". Other than that, we could not see things more differently.

For the record, me too, and the missing SO is not related to Ron.

[catdoc]

I hope someone withe good sense (that does not include Misti's mom) will sit Ron down and talk some sense into him before tomorrow. There's still time to stop this train wreck. Misti's too childish to ever reason with her.

[Leather&Lace]

from the looks of Mistys Mom she is dumber than a box of rocks. Why the hell she let her daughter live with a man of this age is just wrong in so many ways


I just cannot sit quiet on this comment.

Older men have been marrying younger girls/women since the beginning of time. There is nothing "so wrong" in a 17 y/o marrying a 25 y/o if she has her parents consent. It will not be the first time and it sure will not be the last time.

I disagree with the timing of this proposal and marriage but I don't think it is that unusual for a 17 y/o to marry an older guy. If I had a daughter, I would not consent but people are different.

Maybe Misty's mother has had a very hard life (looks older than her age) be it by her choice or just the cards she was dealt. Don't know but thought I'd throw that out.

JMO

[cloe23]

For the record, me too, and the missing SO is not related to Ron.

I am glad that you noticed that and posted it for the record:smile:

[catdoc]

he is a POS because he has a fetish for young girls and has inpregnated at least 2. I don't care if its accepted in the south or not its against the law. Its called child molesting in the midwest. Don't bet for a minute its ok with LE they just have bigger fish to fry and the parents are losers and haven't complained. my guess is you didn't marry a 25 year old man with 3 kids with other teenagers either.

He impregnated 1 girl (Crystal) when she was 17 and he was 19. All the rest is rumor except that he lives with a 17 yr old.

[Leather&Lace]

Rons Mom should be happy her son is safe from charges now where Misty is concerned . My guess it was her Idea. Mistys Mom please, she wasn't much of a Mom anyway. she let her daughter drop out of school , use drugs and shack up with a POS. She is happy Misty isn't her problem anymore. Not that she ever gave a chit to start with. she looks like she has done her share of drugs herself. Or certainly road hard and put away wet.


Your posts are vulgar!
JMO

[catdoc]

Your posts are vulgar!
JMO

Referring to STLcardfan's posts, they certainly are vulgar, bigoted and offensive.

[Deb7]

LOL, I have a green button I ware on my jean jacket that says's ' I got chutzpah' How ironic.:w00t:

I would think it would mean 'attitude' in this instance... or a variation of that.



:thumbsup:

[Leather&Lace]

Referring to STLcardfan's posts, they certainly are vulgar, bigoted and offensive.

Back when these boards were CTV, there was an ignore button. I cannot seem to find one now.

[Leather&Lace]

Maybe a brand new bundle of joy is on the way for the deserving couple.

I thought the same thing about the bundle of joy.

:crying:So sad for little Haleigh. I hope there is a break in this case soon. She has the sweetest little smile.

[Leather&Lace]

sorry I don't agree with your view on things. No need to call me names. We all are entiled to our opinions. Use your scroll button on your mouse an just skip my post.

I did not call you a name! I said your posts are vulgar. It has absolutely nothing to do with a difference of opinion.

[catdoc]

Do you really think that Ron is going to marry Misty to get out of some kind of charges?

I think he would brake it off with her before he would marry her.

Something is not right with this wedding. I always thought the pink shirt bothered me, but this bothers me even more.

I first thought the proposal had to do with setting Misty up...so, she would let her guard down. Something LE may have mentioned to Ron.

Then when the wedding was announced it was going to be this week....I was floored, and that also knocked my theory out of the door also.

By watching Ron that day...he does not want to get married in my opinion. So, why is he doing it?..........I just don't understand!

I am more angry over them using the excuse of - it is what Haleigh wanted then anything. Oh, when Misty says that ( I don't think Ron has) but, I do think Misty and Teresa ( Ron's mom ) have used those words. To me...it makes me sick ..when they say that.

I just think there is more to this wedding ...I just can't figure it out.

Oh, and as far as getting married to help with a custody battle....I think Misty would help him lose JR..not keep him. Now, if Misty had been cleared...I could see where Ron would think that might help..but, since she hasn't been...I think it would only hurt him winning custody.

Gosh, long day and I am tired...I am rambling..I hope someone can make since out of what I just said...LOL

MOO

Horse, you make perfect sense to me. Glad to see someone else that's as confused as me but not trying to see it as sinister or proving in some way that Ron is guilty of doing somthing to his daughter.

[Leather&Lace]

Go to your user cp tab.On the left you'll see edit ignore list. Just type in the nic of the person you want to ignore.

:thumbsup:TY!

[catdoc]

One thing I think we can all agree on----IF Ron marries this girl tomorrow or anytime soon it will be a diaster. With that mistake AND losing Hayleigh he may never recover.

[catdoc]

I can't believe you can't see how offensive your post is.

I am new on here and I do not believe in running to the moderator...but, in this instance...if I knew how I would report you. I sure hope someone does.

MOO

I don't tattle. Maybe cardfan will re-read and see what we mean.

[Leather&Lace]

Ish I don't like Crystals spokeperson at ALL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8p5UP8Kg3E That was an *awkward* moment.

moo


Wow, thanks for posting this link. I have not seen that video before. ITA with you. Nothing about that spokesperson that made her likable to me either.



JMO

[aproudmom]

Ugh, don't tell me the thread is going to lock, not with the wedding taking place tomorrow. Can't we all just be grown ups here? Skip and scroll or ignore? All of us. I can't stomach the idea of it closing down, who will I chat with at night? Nancy Grace?

moo

OH I love NG i'd chat with her:laugh:

[VC2]

Probably right Tree, wishful thinking. I found Crystal's new attorney to be extremely bright and intelligent. I doubt the transcript it up, but when she was talking about Ron & Misty, she said "... we've got a situation where we have a 4 yo child in the home, um with a home that actually the 7 yr old, I'm sorry the 5 yo child had disappeared right under the nose of the babysitter, that then we learn is a teenage babysitter who is also living with the father in a romantic relationship, this is not the first time he has chosen a teenager to fall in love with and to live with." said Crystal's attorney, Kim picazzio.

I seriously doubt this attorney would make or state such a strong statement as that if it were not true about Ron. Some people say it's just rumor about Ron having another child out there and bedding underage girls, but obviously this attorney knows more and I doubt she's banking on hearsay.

moo

See that is so easy to explain. She is banking on her client and what we already know. RON LIVED WITH CRYSTAL WHEN SHE WAS 17. and he was 19 and they had kids.

imo

so crystal is the only one who has lawyered up...interesting, normally its a sign of guilt on these boards

imo

[teresa]

Maybe VC, maybe. But I'm thinking the attorney was suggesting others, not Crystal. Tomorrow, actually today, Misty will be Mrs. Ronald Cummings and there's not much anyone can do about it. It's a trainwreck bound for Satsuma.

moo

Well, I think their timing is a little off. Why wait three years to care? Also, her boyfriend is married and has a drug record, she has multiple speeding tickets and a bad car wreck. There's not any parent of the year awards to be given out here. IMO since I'm too tired for links. Plus, how truthful is one who is charged with filing a false claim?

I also think it's a mistake to talk about custody issues because so far, the father's side has sat back and taken it and that will have to end now.

[catdoc]

I'm going to pray that Mark Klass, John Walsh, and Mark Lunsford will call Ron tonite and in the am we'll find out the wedding is on hold indefinitely.

[Deb7]

It's not the same. He's only 25 and she'll be legal in a few months. He's not a pedophile.

I think she just turned 17 in December, therefore she won't be "legal" for quite awhile.

JMO

[Leather&Lace]

I'm not reporting her but she needs to back off. You're right, it isn't fair to the rest of us.


No, not fair and especially tonight when I am going back & forth about the family members. One minute I think one thing and the next another thing.
Maybe it is time for me to call it a night. I am not usually this wishy ~ washy. :huh:

[catdoc]

cardfan, I haven't been here that long but I know tha CW seriously frowns upon calling victim's families names. :thumbdown:

[teresa]

I'm going to pray that Mark Klass, John Walsh, and Mark Lunsford will call Ron tonite and in the am we'll find out the wedding is on hold indefinitely.

catdoc, with a custody hearing coming, I wouldn't count on it. That has to be why he's doing this. It's too much of an issue for so many people.

My mom married my dad on her 17th birthday. He turned 25 just after and we all turned out fine. Who knows? I do think Misty if really immature but then so is my 17 year old. She's a terrific babysitter though. If my five year old niece could choose anyone to live with in the whole world, it would be my daughter. There's just a hero worship for little girls with some teenage girls.

[catdoc]

I think she just turned 17 in December, therefore she won't be "legal" for quite awhile.

JMO

The way Clint Van Zandt explained it (and what I was told growing up there) is that WITH PARENTAL CONSENT the age of consent is 16 or 17. But I'm not a lawyer. But I got married 5 days after I turned 17.

[catdoc]

catdoc, with a custody hearing coming, I wouldn't count on it. That has to be why he's doing this. It's too much of an issue for so many people.

My mom married my dad on her 17th birthday. He turned 25 just after and we all turned out fine. Who knows? I do think Misty if really immature but then so is my 17 year old. She's a terrific babysitter though. If my five year old niece could choose anyone to live with in the whole world, it would be my daughter. There's just a hero worship for little girls with some teenage girls.

That first sentence may be the best explanation I've heard all day. He just can't take a chance on losing RJ too.

[teresa]

No, not fair and especially tonight when I am going back & forth about the family members. One minute I think one thing and the next another thing.
Maybe it is time for me to call it a night. I am not usually this wishy ~ washy. :huh:

I know the feeling. I'm just trying to convince myself it's some woman who wanted a beautiful daughter and is hiding with her. I'm sure we won't get so lucky. I just don't want her hurt! This is so frustrating.

[teresa]

Yes, well see I don't view it as you do. I think that both sides have their tragic place, I think both parents are equally neglectful and filled with poor choices. I feel sorry for not only Haleigh, but Jr as well. Everytime I think I've "picked a side" I end up finding information on the other side that steers me away. My opinion doesn't matter really, but I just wanted to put it out there that I think both Ron and Crystal need to step up their parenting skills and perhaps re-evaluate who they choose as a life partner. Ron is marrying a person who, whether intentionally or unintentionally lost his daughter, Crystal is not.

jmo

Oh I agree that both parents have made very poor decisions. I didn't mean my post to sound that way. It's just that Crystal will be under the microscope now if she does this.

[Deb7]

The way Clint Van Zandt explained it (and what I was told growing up there) is that WITH PARENTAL CONSENT the age of consent is 16 or 17. But I'm not a lawyer. But I got married 5 days after I turned 17.

I was merely pointing out her birthday is not in a few months. I believe they have these laws in place so irresponsible parents can't give consent to men that want to date their little girls against their will. I am sure there are people like that out there too. I have read about cases where the parent offers up their underage children for cash or drugs, so laws like these protect the children when the parents aren't bright enough to do it themselves.
JMO

[aproudmom]

cardfan, I haven't been here that long but I know tha CW seriously frowns upon calling victim's families names. :thumbdown:

ITA CW does and has no problem in shutting the thread down when it gets nasty anyway enough about that it is not my concern mine is on Haleigh.

does anyone have a link about this person coming to the MH I had not heard about that

[catdoc]

I was merely pointing out her birthday is not in a few months. I believe they have these laws in place so irresponsible parents can't give consent to men that want to date their little girls against their will. I am sure there are people like that out there too. I have read about cases where the parent offers up their underage children for cash or drugs, so laws like these protect the children when the parents aren't bright enough to do it themselves.
JMO

I don't think Misti got any protection. She got thrown out of the house. Where did they expect her to go? On the street.? Of course she would go with the first man that would take her. Thank God it wasn't a 40 yr old. When her mom made those comments yesterday I wanted to throw up (and slap the woman).

[Leather&Lace]

I know the feeling. I'm just trying to convince myself it's some woman who wanted a beautiful daughter and is hiding with her. I'm sure we won't get so lucky. I just don't want her hurt! This is so frustrating.

What a great thought.. a woman who wanted a beautiful daughter. I will think of that when I am going to sleep tonight. :rose:

[aproudmom]

I see very few posters using JMO IMO it is becasue its asuumed its the posters opinion please go back a lecture the other posters not using JMO if you feel its so important


In the future all my post are my opinion hows that

You know what I have been told if I have no link I should always add that it is MO so I was just trying to let you know not trying to tell you your opinion did not matter we all have one. anyway it is not worth my time If you go back and look at my post I am sure you will see I have never been rude to anyone on here may have disagreed but just moved on. But come on calling a family things like that I do not live in their home nor do you I just think it was alittle to much without a link but I am a nobody

All is good I appreciate everyone and the info they provide on here

[cloe23]

This is probably the silliest ( is that a word..lol..I am so tired) that has ever been asked on this board before.

I had never really thought about it until today.

I hope and pray Haleigh comes home safe, but everyday I lose a little more hope of that happening.

So, if their is no leads to an arrest - where does the reward money go?

I hope to other missing childrens funds...but, I don't know where it goes.Can someone tell me?...I know it is O/T, but I am just curious.

Oh, and why have we not heard more about the strange man at Ron's MH today?


Bolding mine(if it took)
I have been wondering this myself. In my head I just assumed that rewards were offered to bring out the people who may know what happened, even a bottom feeder who is looking for their next quick fix.
I firmly believe that reward monies need to help find the thousands of other missing children. Further more, it is insane imo that a family of a missing child(regardless of social statue) has to pay for leads to bring home their loved one. I personally don't like the reward system. I do admit I am not seasoned as many of the IS posters are, my thinking my be off base?
Hope my message is clear.

[aproudmom]

I don't think Misti got any protection. She got thrown out of the house. Where did they expect her to go? On the street.? Of course she would go with the first man that would take her. Thank God it wasn't a 40 yr old. When her mom made those comments yesterday I wanted to throw up (and slap the woman).

Cat you know I never thought of that where was her parents I know my son did not leave home or make plans without my approval until he was 18 and then someone said she turned 17 just this past Dec how sad we as parents have to protect our kids and teach them right from wrong.

[cloe23]

I know the feeling. I'm just trying to convince myself it's some woman who wanted a beautiful daughter and is hiding with her. I'm sure we won't get so lucky. I just don't want her hurt! This is so frustrating.

I have gone there too. I imagined that maybe someone at Haleigh's school like (Miss Honey) took her.
IMO I think it my brain protecting me for awhile that everything is AOK.
Then logic and reality kicks back in.

[aproudmom]

What a great thought.. a woman who wanted a beautiful daughter. I will think of that when I am going to sleep tonight. :rose:

I pray that she is safe with some one but it gets harder and harder every day that goes by:sad:

[teresa]

I have gone there too. I imagined that maybe someone at Haleigh's school like (Miss Honey) took her.
IMO I think it my brain protecting me for awhile that everything is AOK.
Then logic and reality kicks back in.

I know cloe. That would just be a miracle wouldn't it? I think there is so much betrayal ahead for one side of the family if it's a family abduction (doubtful, I know) and total heartbreak if Haleigh isn't found. I'm just praying for a miracle.

[catdoc]

The rewards I have been involved with worked like this: The money is put in escrow until the person is found or the court declares them dead. Individuals usually put a time limit on theirs (like Lenny). Crimestoppers I think is putting up the Lion's share of this one. They will offer the contribution returned to the contributor at that time but suggest that they keep it for the next victim (and most contributors do that). The other part of the reward is coming from a LE agency I think and it will be treated the same way. Some reward funds have a clause that will allow payment for burial expenses, I don't know about these. Each sponser will have his own stipulations. Some only pay if she is found alive. Some will pay alive or dead or for info leading to the arrest of perp.

[cloe23]

Unfortunately, money talks. The higher the reward, the better chance of loose lips. I have to wonder why Ron is taking the "small amount of money" he has to put down on a house, instead of putting it toward the reward fund. I don't get it.

moo

I wonder a lot about the man. I'm not ready to believe that he is involved in this.

[teresa]

Unfortunately, money talks. The higher the reward, the better chance of loose lips. I have to wonder why Ron is taking the "small amount of money" he has to put down on a house, instead of putting it toward the reward fund. I don't get it.

moo

Maybe some place safer, less easy to break into. I think he saw this custody thing coming. At least all of us did. He's preparing for it. Maybe we should hope that Crystal and Ron are grownup and mature now and could live near each other and both be there for their kids.

I know...I'm such a dreamer. I just can't believe they can't find this little girl. I read that the forest by her home is absolutely huge and she could never be found if she's there. The dogs didn't go that way at all, right?

[Mimi428]

PLEASE do not tell me it wont be cause I said it 2 other times and some said just want you just did well I came back and guess what I WAS right.


I've been on the CTV or IS boards since 2002 & from what I have observed the fastest way to get the board closed is to KEEP POSTING TO & QUOTING the very people you think are a problem.

YOU become part of the problem when you quote them. YOU become part of the problem when you continue to post back & forth to them.

JMO, MOO, IMO, etc.

[cloe23]

Maybe some place safer, less easy to break into. I think he saw this custody thing coming. At least all of us did. He's preparing for it. Maybe we should hope that Crystal and Ron are grownup and mature now and could live near each other and both be there for their kids.

I know...I'm such a dreamer. I just can't believe they can't find this little girl. I read that the forest by her home is absolutely huge and she could never be found if she's there. The dogs didn't go that way at all, right?

IIRC right. No hits. Just the lake/water and the rail road crossing.

[aproudmom]

The rewards I have been involved with worked like this: The money is put in escrow until the person is found or the court declares them dead. Individuals usually put a time limit on theirs (like Lenny). Crimestoppers I think is putting up the Lion's share of this one. They will offer the contribution returned to the contributor at that time but suggest that they keep it for the next victim (and most contributors do that). The other part of the reward is coming from a LE agency I think and it will be treated the same way. Some reward funds have a clause that will allow payment for burial expenses, I don't know about these. Each sponser will have his own stipulations. Some only pay if she is found alive. Some will pay alive or dead or for info leading to the arrest of perp.

ITA that is what I have always heard in most cases.

how much is the reward now? it went up right

[teresa]

$35,000. It makes me mad that it isn't larger. I know times are tough but a large reward might tempt someone to talk. Enough money that they could move away.

[aproudmom]

I've been on the CTV or IS boards since 2002 & from what I have observed the fastest way to get the board closed is to KEEP POSTING TO & QUOTING the very people you think are a problem.

YOU become part of the problem when you quote them. YOU become part of the problem when you continue to post back & forth to them.

JMO, MOO, IMO, etc.

Thanks and agree sorry I know it also makes it much harder to keep up with all the post. I have been here since then also just did not have a computer for awhile so I am not so new to all the rules and I dont try to cause problems thanks and I am sorry to everyone for going O/T

[aproudmom]

$35,000. It makes me mad that it isn't larger. I know times are tough but a large reward might tempt someone to talk. Enough money that they could move away.

THANKS I wondered and wanted to ask earlier and forgot.

[aproudmom]

Mimi428 I sent you a PM

[rosieposett]

Thanks and agree sorry I know it also makes it much harder to keep up with all the post. I have been here since then also just did not have a computer for awhile so I am not so new to all the rules and I dont try to cause problems thanks and I am sorry to everyone for going O/T

Hi :seeya: It happens to the best of us. Tomorrow will be better. 'night

[aproudmom]

Hi :seeya: It happens to the best of us. Tomorrow will be better. 'night

Thanks rosie night:seeya:

[beachpatty]

g'mornin,
anybody up?

beachpatty

[aproudmom]

So Fox confirmed the truck with the saying "Only God can judge me" is indeed Ronalds. http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Getting-Married/jVE76f-4NE2es3bFqTuuKw.cspx It's in the video to the right of the article, good video and very interesting.

ETA, Crystal's camp is not too happy.


moo

O my I did not know it was today Ok no comment:ohmy:

Family friend, Christine Watkins says, "It's disgusting. While they could be out looking for Haleigh, they're making wedding plans? How happy they are...imagine that."

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Getting-Married/jVE76f-4NE2es3bFqTuuKw.cspx

[beachpatty]

I'm gonna go make a thread for today, brb w/link.

[beachpatty]

Here it is........

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12883003#post12883003

[CANDYKISSES]

There's this Tara.

Click on the x to enlarge the magical moment .

Note the large doggie bags on the bench.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html


Your claws are showing imo. :rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

Ish I don't like Crystals spokeperson at ALL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8p5UP8Kg3E That was an *awkward* moment.

moo

I must have missed the "awkward" part. Obviously she likes Crystal, feels moved by her situation, and wants to help.

:shrug:

[Peaches]

Your claws are showing imo. :rolleyes:


nothing new there................moo