Michelle Fisher Young 3-11-2009

[Barbara2]

Time for a new thread. Please continue.

[achristie]

Barbara, I have to agree with your last post. I have always felt for Mrs.Young. Does she find out this stuff like we do? Has to be very painful.

MOO Aggie

[Barbara2]

Barbara, I have to agree with your last post. I have always felt for Mrs.Young. Does she find out this stuff like we do? Has to be very painful.

MOO Aggie

No matter what, I have to believe she loves her son. There is no good outcome for her in this case.

[Tia]

Barbara, I have to agree with your last post. I have always felt for Mrs.Young. Does she find out this stuff like we do? Has to be very painful.

MOO Aggie

I would also think its embarassing to her. I wonder if she at least gets heads-up before this stuff is released.

[Barbara2]

So back to the search warrants, we have Jason stopping at a Cracker Barrel in Greensboro on his way to Hillsville. Apparently this is not right off the interstate but a little ways off and past several other restaurants. (It's so nice to have local eyes!) It seems an odd choice but not really of any consequence. It does give credence to him having a later than 8 p.m. dinner though.

[5swab5]

At least we now know that Jason did not go hungry. Wonder why he would chose to eat on the road, instead of enjoying dinner like a loving husband and father with his family since he was going to be on the road the next day. Nevermind. MOO

[Tia]

At least we now know that Jason did not go hungry. Wonder why he would chose to eat on the road, instead of enjoying dinner like a loving husband and father with his family since he was going to be on the road the next day. Nevermind. MOO

He was just killin' time, IMO.

Maybe he met someone there?

[5swab5]

He was just killin' time, IMO.

Maybe he met someone there?

OR maybe looped all around and went past a dozen other places to eat and picked the Cracker Barrel, because it was close to WalMart and he could pick up last minute supplies. Tweaking his murder kit, if you will. MOO

[Barbara2]

I was looking at the timeline that confused was kind enough to link for us. I notice that it shows Michelle in New York October 21 and 22 the month before she was killed. According to the latest search warrant, that is when Mrs. Sowerby was staying at Michelle and Jason's house. Interesting.

[Tia]

I forget where I was reading, but someone wonderind if the release of this search warrant would be cause for a change of circumstances in the custody agreement.

Obviously, Jason has a bad temper and it sure seemed like Cassidy did nothing but annoy him.

I wonder...


JMO

[Barbara2]

I forget where I was reading, but someone wonderind if the release of this search warrant would be cause for a change of circumstances in the custody agreement.

Obviously, Jason has a bad temper and it sure seemed like Cassidy did nothing but annoy him.

I wonder...


JMO

I think as long as he is living with another family member so that he is not alone with her, she is safe.

[Tia]

I think as long as he is living with another family member so that he is not alone with her, she is safe.


Wow.


I am SO glad Cassidy will be primarily be living with Meredith.

What is with LE? Are they waiting for him to do this to some other poor woman who happens to hook up with him?

[Barbara2]

Wow.


I am SO glad Cassidy will be primarily be living with Meredith.

What is with LE? Are they waiting for him to do this to some other poor woman who happens to hook up with him?

I don't know. I keep thinking that they are waiting for "just one more piece" and then another warrant comes out with a bunch of pieces and it's still not enough?

It sounded like Michelle was trying to very delicately word her email to Jason when she was apologizing and asking who was going to pick up Cassidy. That was on July 12th. Is that when he was out of work?

[awareness]

I was looking at the timeline that confused was kind enough to link for us. I notice that it shows Michelle in New York October 21 and 22 the month before she was killed. According to the latest search warrant, that is when Mrs. Sowerby was staying at Michelle and Jason's house. Interesting.

Good eye Barbara & thanks for the new thread.

That is interesting, I wonder if he was juggling both Mrs. Sowerby and Michelle Money. Wonder how Michelle Money feels being "cheated on" by her lover Jason, I doubt he told her about Mrs. Sowerby. In the most recent SW the female friend alludes to other affairs as well. In addition to the revelation Michelle & Jason were having financial difficulty. Im convinced its only a matter of time now before Jason the named Slayer is arrested on the criminal portion of this case. Meanwhile I will wait for next Monday's WD ruling, which will hopefully financially cripple the named Slayer for life.
JMO

[awareness]

I don't know. I keep thinking that they are waiting for "just one more piece" and then another warrant comes out with a bunch of pieces and it's still not enough?

It sounded like Michelle was trying to very delicately word her email to Jason when she was apologizing and asking who was going to pick up Cassidy. That was on July 12th. Is that when he was out of work?

I agree, the email sounded like she was walking on eggshells. And apparently her email didnt work, as you can see the reply he wrote which included 'kill u'.

Just as I typed yesterday or the day before, Im sure we havent seen all the CE that leads to the named Slayer yet. Im hopeful LE will arrest him soon, its time to get him off the streets before he harms someone else.

I wonder if Pat made all those post-murder trips with Jason just to protect Cassidy.
JMO

[5swab5]

I don't know. I keep thinking that they are waiting for "just one more piece" and then another warrant comes out with a bunch of pieces and it's still not enough?

It sounded like Michelle was trying to very delicately word her email to Jason when she was apologizing and asking who was going to pick up Cassidy. That was on July 12th. Is that when he was out of work?


And Jason's foreboding answer:

I don't care who gets her.

MOO

[achristie]

Good eye Barbara & thanks for the new thread.

That is interesting, I wonder if he was juggling both Mrs. Sowerby and Michelle Money. Wonder how Michelle Money feels being "cheated on" by her lover Jason, I doubt he told her about Mrs. Sowerby. In the most recent SW the female friend alludes to other affairs as well. In addition to the revelation Michelle & Jason were having financial difficulty. Im convinced its only a matter of time now before Jason the named Slayer is arrested on the criminal portion of this case. Meanwhile I will wait for next Monday's WD ruling, which will hopefully financially cripple the named Slayer for life.
JMO

I missed the financial difficulty part! Yet another rumor proven to be true.
JY must be sweating.
I don't like the way he spoke about CY either. So much for her being the center of his world.

MOO Aggie

[Barbara2]

I agree, the email sounded like she was walking on eggshells. And apparently her email didnt work, as you can see the reply he wrote which included 'kill u'.

Just as I typed yesterday or the day before, Im sure we havent seen all the CE that leads to the named Slayer yet. Im hopeful LE will arrest him soon, its time to get him off the streets before he harms someone else.

I wonder if Pat made all those post-murder trips with Jason just to protect Cassidy.
JMO

If nothing else we know that the investigators know what is in the therapist's notes. Although after the release of the recent warrants, I think we all have a pretty darn good idea!!

[Barbara2]

I missed the financial difficulty part! Yet another rumor proven to be true.
JY must be sweating.
I don't like the way he spoke about CY either. So much for her being the center of his world.

MOO Aggie

So much so that he announces that he is taking a two year old to a swimming pool while he drinks beer! :rolleyes:

[achristie]

So back to the search warrants, we have Jason stopping at a Cracker Barrel in Greensboro on his way to Hillsville. Apparently this is not right off the interstate but a little ways off and past several other restaurants. (It's so nice to have local eyes!) It seems an odd choice but not really of any consequence. It does give credence to him having a later than 8 p.m. dinner though.

I wonder how early on LE knew about the Cracker Barrel? Since it is off the beaten path , I find it suspicious. Surely, they must have gone there to investigate?

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

So much so that he announces that he is taking a two year old to a swimming pool while he drinks beer! :rolleyes:

Was MY pregnant then? I can't keep all these dates straight.

[Tia]

I agree, the email sounded like she was walking on eggshells. And apparently her email didnt work, as you can see the reply he wrote which included 'kill u'.

Just as I typed yesterday or the day before, Im sure we havent seen all the CE that leads to the named Slayer yet. Im hopeful LE will arrest him soon, its time to get him off the streets before he harms someone else.

I wonder if Pat made all those post-murder trips with Jason just to protect Cassidy.
JMO

Yes, its time to get him off the streets!! In the SW, one friend says "Jason sometimes loses his patience".....great! Who will he lose it on next???!

[5swab5]

Hi Barbara, Could you tell me where in the sw it says this about sowerby? Ive read it over twice, im missing it. This would substantiate another so-called rumor. I heard of this sowerby woman a while back and the others called it rumor.


I'm not Barbara,

But on the Bebo warrant. Page 15 about ¾ of the way down.

[jerzeegirl]

I'm not Barbara,

But on the Bebo warrant. Page 15 about ¾ of the way down.

thanks so much, just realized there are two warrants, i only read one. Ty, off to read :)

[Barbara2]

Was MY pregnant then? I can't keep all these dates straight.

She definitely would have been if she was 5 months pregnant at the beginning of November.

[jerzeegirl]

wow he had sowerby at his house while Michelle was in NY. No wonder why she started seeking therapy on return to NC.

I agree with all the earlier posters that were saying they feel bad for Jasons mother. I feel bad for her as well and his sisters. I cant even imagine.

[Tia]

wow he had sowerby at his house while Michelle was in NY. No wonder why she started seeking therapy on return to NC.

I agree with all the earlier posters that were saying they feel bad for Jasons mother. I feel bad for her as well and his sisters. I cant even imagine.


I do too. What must the community think?

[5swab5]

wow he had sowerby at his house while Michelle was in NY. No wonder why she started seeking therapy on return to NC.

I agree with all the earlier posters that were saying they feel bad for Jasons mother. I feel bad for her as well and his sisters. I cant even imagine.

I can't believe what all Michelle had to put up with. There was not just AN isolated incident, seems Jason had a penchant for behaving badly. Michelle showed remarkable restraint. I would have stomped a mud hole in him and stomped it dry. MOO

[jerry50]

As far as I could tell skimming through both warrants there was no mention of keys, a child being moved or a vehicle being driven. Apparently LE is satisfied with the info their previous warrant discovered and leaves JY as the primary suspect.

[achristie]

I can't believe what all Michelle had to put up with. There was not just AN isolated incident, seems Jason had a penchant for behaving badly. Michelle showed remarkable restraint. I would have stomped a mud hole in him and stomped it dry. MOO

It's so sad. Why didn't he just leave her? So many people destroyed by his selfish deed.

MOO Aggie

[awareness]

So much so that he announces that he is taking a two year old to a swimming pool while he drinks beer! :rolleyes:

2-year olds IMO should not be allowed to roam in a pool (even a kiddie sized pool) without hands on "right there" supervision. Both of my children started swim school at the age of 6 months ("Mommy & Me" classes), still even by age 2 I wouldnt have considered them swimmers. I can somehow just imagine Slayer in a chase lounge with his beer getting his buzz on while Cassidy was playing hopefully in a kiddie sized pool. Thankfully nothing more tragic happened.
JMO

[5swab5]

As far as I could tell skimming through both warrants there was no mention of keys, a child being moved or a vehicle being driven. Apparently LE is satisfied with the info their previous warrant discovered and leaves JY as the primary suspect.

I guess they have to look at every scenario. But all roads just keep leading right back to the slayer. MOO

[5swab5]

It's so sad. Why didn't he just leave her? So many people destroyed by his selfish deed.

MOO Aggie

Especially since there was evidence of cheating when they were still in the Townhouse. That's pretty early in a marriage to be straying, not that any time is OK, I hope you know what I mean. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

As far as I could tell skimming through both warrants there was no mention of keys, a child being moved or a vehicle being driven. Apparently LE is satisfied with the info their previous warrant discovered and leaves JY as the primary suspect.


Jason has always been the primary suspect since Day 1, and if they could have arrested him then, they would have.

Now, 28 and a 1/2 months later, they still can't.
Seems they have a major problem that they can not overcome.

These s/w's were mostly for emails, other s/w's mentioned the keys, and the possibility of CY being removed.

I can not get over how much Michelle must have loved him..to stay and to want to continue their marriage..even..enough to have another baby.

Something must have happened in her life that made her want to hold on so badly.

I hope that is not the reason she died...

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I guess they have to look at every scenario. But all roads just keep leading right back to the slayer. MOO


Yep, they do, and even with all this, they still don't have enough.

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

I can't believe what all Michelle had to put up with. There was not just AN isolated incident, seems Jason had a penchant for behaving badly. Michelle showed remarkable restraint. I would have stomped a mud hole in him and stomped it dry. MOO

i see JY's email to Michelle as a threat. Hes almost warning her that his mood is worse than in Myrtle Beach. Wonder what happened there? Something to do with Michelle Money maybe?

[5swab5]

i see JY's email to Michelle as a threat. Hes almost warning her that his mood is worse than in Myrtle Beach. Wonder what happened there? Something to do with Michelle Money maybe?

Lord only knows. But he was sure flaunting his flings. Who leaves their panties? Better yet, what husband that doesn't want to get caught, doesn't check for incriminating evidence when he is changing the sheets and washing them. Guess Jason didn't bother with those little steps. Ugg, just UGG! :sad: MOO

[jerzeegirl]

Lord only knows. But he was sure flaunting his flings. Who leaves their panties? Better yet, what husband that doesn't want to get caught, doesn't check for incriminating evidence when he is changing the sheets and washing them. Guess Jason didn't bother with those little steps. Ugg, just UGG! :sad: MOO

its sad, my opinion is that michelle lived in denial till the very end. She may have suspected but i believe JY talked her out of her intuitions. Maybe the very end she got confirmation and that may very well have been the final blow for her, resulting in her death.

[Barbara2]

i see JY's email to Michelle as a threat. Hes almost warning her that his mood is worse than in Myrtle Beach. Wonder what happened there? Something to do with Michelle Money maybe?

I'm not sure about that. MM lived in Florida during that time I believe. It could have been a vacation that both families were on together, I suppose. We did hear a rumor early on about a huge fight at a hotel when they went to attend a wedding but I think that was in the Winston-Salem area.

[5swab5]

its sad, my opinion is that michelle lived in denial till the very end. She may have suspected but i believe JY talked her out of her intuitions. Maybe the very end she got confirmation and that may very well have been the final blow for her, resulting in her death.

I think the exact opposite. Jason had everything on his terms, he was living a kind of "Captain's Paradise". I think Michelle had had enough and gave him his walking papers. I think that is what set him off. He didn't want to lose his cushy lifestyle.
Little did he know that people were going to be onto him from the git-go. Named a slayer, no insurance money, an unemployed virtual prisoner in Brevard living with mommie, and reduced to custodial time with Cassidy. A complete catastrophe. MOO

[awareness]

I guess they have to look at every scenario. But all roads just keep leading right back to the slayer. MOO

ITA. Its due diligence that LE looks at every angle. I feel they have and I agree, all roads lead to ONE suspect only - Jason Lynn Young.
JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I do too. What must the community think?

It must be awfully embarrassing for her every time a new SW comes out - one of the joys of living in a small place - everyone usually knows everyone else's business. I bet dates are not easy to come by for Jason right now.

[jerzeegirl]

so according to a few here, Meredith Fisher was the focus of a SW (which was served to Jason Young) that supposedly was insinuating that Meredith killed her sister and removed her niece from the house to clean her (why not clean her there) and then mispoke about where she left her keys.

Sooooo, if this is true, if Meredith is a suspect (especially because LE was at the ladybug lift off trying to get info from their suspect), then why isnt Meredith lawyering up and shutting up? Because so many here believe that Jason Young is like a constitution hero for standing behind his rights to remain silent. If tomorrow, Meredith lawyered up, stopped helping LE and started acting like Jason has since the murder, would she get a pass also? He11 no she wouldnt. She chose to speak whether she was the focus of a sw or not, because MOST people who are innocent take their chances and want to help LE in any shape or form to find the killer of their loved one. And obviously since then, Meredith has been cleared (the whole 2+2=4 analogy). Oh wait, maybe LE stood by while primary custody was awarded to her so this way Cassidy could be their spy and get the info on how meredith killed her mother.

[Kat4Eagles]

I think the exact opposite. Jason had everything on his terms, he was living a kind of "Captain's Paradise". I think Michelle had had enough and gave him his walking papers. I think that is what set him off. He didn't want to lose his cushy lifestyle.
Little did he know that people were going to be onto him from the git-go. Named a slayer, no insurance money, an unemployed virtual prisoner in Brevard living with mommie, and reduced to custodial time with Cassidy. A complete catastrophe. MOO


So, how did he think he was going to get away with it, then?

He was the beneficiary of a life ins. policy, he was messing
around with another married woman,who was Michelle's friend, and sorority sister, and everything was going to be found out.

Every phonecall, text, email, etc. would come to light.

I feel bad for Michelle, she didn't want anything more than what most people want.

I feel bad for Kim, she told him in no uncertain terms that what he does will effect CY for the rest of her life.

I feel bad for Heather, and Pat, who are probably torn apart too.

But, I still don't see a "plan" of any kind.

People don't stop at Cracker Barrel to eat before they kill someone.
Something had to have happened later that nite.
JMO

Kat

[Cardinal]

Wow. I've only had a chance to skim the latest SWs, but it's obvious that Jason's callousness toward Michelle and Cassidy continues to manifest itself. Panties in the bed? - that's about as disrespectful as it gets, IMO. Fury because he couldn't park Cassidy in front of the TV to do the yard work? And many more things to absorb and put into perspective.

I've always believed that IF Jason killed Michelle, the rage was triggered because she'd had enough and wanted a divorce. These latest SWs seem to add weight to that theory.

I've declined to bash Jason all these months, but I have to say, it's getting harder all the time. He is certainly no one I would want to know, and no one I would want my daughter married to. I imagine that what Linda didn't know for sure, she sensed - it's no wonder she and Jason didn't get along.

There has been a lot of criticism about Jason living with his sister/mother. After reading these SWs, I'm very grateful they were on hand to care for Cassidy.

And I agree with those who feel sorry for Pat Young. This must be terribly difficult and embarrassing for her.

Just random thoughts at this time, and JMO

[achristie]

so according to a few here, Meredith Fisher was the focus of a SW (which was served to Jason Young) that supposedly was insinuating that Meredith killed her sister and removed her niece from the house to clean her (why not clean her there) and then mispoke about where she left her keys.

Sooooo, if this is true, if Meredith is a suspect (especially because LE was at the ladybug lift off trying to get info from their suspect), then why isnt Meredith lawyering up and shutting up? Because so many here believe that Jason Young is like a constitution hero for standing behind his rights to remain silent. If tomorrow, Meredith lawyered up, stopped helping LE and started acting like Jason has since the murder, would she get a pass also? He11 no she wouldnt. She chose to speak whether she was the focus of a sw or not, because MOST people who are innocent take their chances and want to help LE in any shape or form to find the killer of their loved one. And obviously since then, Meredith has been cleared (the whole 2+2=4 analogy). Oh wait, maybe LE stood by while primary custody was awarded to her so this way Cassidy could be their spy and get the info on how meredith killed her mother.

Rest easy, Jerzeegirl. I have a feeling that discussion has died on the vine.;)

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

So, how did he think he was going to get away with it, then?

He was the beneficiary of a life ins. policy, he was messing
around with another married woman,who was Michelle's friend, and sorority sister, and everything was going to be found out.

Every phonecall, text, email, etc. would come to light.

I feel bad for Michelle, she didn't want anything more than what most people want.

I feel bad for Kim, she told him in no uncertain terms that what he does will effect CY for the rest of her life.

I feel bad for Heather, and Pat, who are probably torn apart too.

But, I still don't see a "plan" of any kind.

People don't stop at Cracker Barrel to eat before they kill someone.
Something had to have happened later that nite.
JMO

Kat

Hi, Kat. I really don't know what to say to you right now. Based upon the things that keep coming out in the SWs, I really can't agree that people don't stop to eat at Cracker Barrel before killing someone.

I think there are people in the world who are so egocentric they could easily do that. Is Jason one of them? I don't know yet. But it's not impossible, IMO.

[jerzeegirl]

I've always believed that IF Jason killed Michelle, the rage was triggered because she'd had enough and wanted a divorce. These latest SWs seem to add weight to that theory.



Just random thoughts at this time, and JMO


i go back and forth with "planned killing" and "spontaneous rage killing". Could this be something that LE is stumped about?

What do you think about what it says in the search warrant about gas? I think that its very telling. Answers one of my questions ive had for a long time.

[awareness]

Hi, Kat. I really don't know what to say to you right now. Based upon the things that keep coming out in the SWs, I really can't agree that people don't stop to eat at Cracker Barrel before killing someone.

I think there are people in the world who are so egocentric they could easily do that. Is Jason one of them? I don't know yet. But it's not impossible, IMO.


People eat. There would be a deflecting comment trying to place blame elsewhere if he'd stopped at Burger King or anywhere else for dinner before he killed them. He has to eat of course, we all do.
JMO

[Cardinal]

i go back and forth with "planned killing" and "spontaneous rage killing". Could this be something that LE is stumped about?

What do you think about what it says in the search warrant about gas? I think that its very telling. Answers one of my questions ive had for a long time.

As with everything else, I'm willing to be wrong. But I've always thought that the "plan", if there were one, was of short duration. I've always thought something triggered on a phone call to Michelle that night, and the rest ensued. IF Jason killed Michelle.

As strange as it sounds, I think if it were planned for longer than that, there would be more of a trail for LE to follow. Again, IF Jason killed Michelle.

JMO

(Good to see you, jerzee :) )

[jerzeegirl]

People eat. There would be a deflecting comment trying to place blame elsewhere if he'd stopped at Burger King or anywhere else for dinner before he killed them. He has to eat of course, we all do.
JMO

Well i believe IF this was a planned killing, the whole cracker barrel thing was probably planned to look like "just a normal average day for Jason Young going out on his little business trip". Or was he meeting someone there, with a size ten shoe? Or was he meeting one of his many mistresses there? Who knows, oh wait jason does, but he'll never tell.

[Barbara2]

As with everything else, I'm willing to be wrong. But I've always thought that the "plan", if there were one, was of short duration. I've always thought something triggered on a phone call to Michelle that night, and the rest ensued. IF Jason killed Michelle.

As strange as it sounds, I think if it were planned for longer than that, there would be more of a trail for LE to follow. Again, IF Jason killed Michelle.

JMO

(Good to see you, jerzee :) )

There were the searches on the computer which lead to the idea of planning ahead. Also the print outs left on the printer.

[jerzeegirl]

As with everything else, I'm willing to be wrong. But I've always thought that the "plan", if there were one, was of short duration. I've always thought something triggered on a phone call to Michelle that night, and the rest ensued. IF Jason killed Michelle.

As strange as it sounds, I think if it were planned for longer than that, there would be more of a trail for LE to follow. Again, IF Jason killed Michelle.

JMO

(Good to see you, jerzee :) )

Good to see you too Card, ive thought of that also. Especially because rumor has it that there was a phone call between the two that night after he left. Maybe he wasnt going there for furniture, maybe he was told by michelle not to come home, go to your mothers house, im done with you.

You have to factor in the short distance in time between jason sleeping with Michelle Money, Sowerby staying at the house while Michelle was in NY, Michelle seeking therapy upon return from NY, then her death. All within a four week time period.

[Cardinal]

There were the searches on the computer which lead to the idea of planning ahead. Also the print outs left on the printer.

You're right, Barbara, I know. But for some reason, it doesn't fit for me that way. Like I said, I'm willing to be wrong about my theories. :)

[awareness]

IMO it was definetly planned/premeditated. How long it was planned/premeditated, that's harder to nail down conclusivley. But he'd been having multiple affairs (at least 2 in the month or so prior to the killing, likely more in the more distant past), had those internet searches, the friend says in the recently released SW they were having financial difficulty (which will hopefully be better confirmed with a forensic financial audit), etc.
JMO

[Cardinal]

Good to see you too Card, ive thought of that also. Especially because rumor has it that there was a phone call between the two that night after he left. Maybe he wasnt going there for furniture, maybe he was told by michelle not to come home, go to your mothers house, im done with you.

You have to factor in the short distance in time between jason sleeping with Michelle Money, Sowerby staying at the house while Michelle was in NY, Michelle seeking therapy upon return from NY, then her death. All within a four week time period.

The phrase "train wreck waiting to happen" comes to mind, eh? I've speculated before that Michelle kicked him to the curb that night, told him to spend the weekend at his mom's. Which means he wouldn't be around for Homecoming Weekend. Which means his happy-marriage charade would be exposed.

Whether or not Jason killed Michelle, I think his image was important to him. Was that the final straw?

[Barbara2]

You're right, Barbara, I know. But for some reason, it doesn't fit for me that way. Like I said, I'm willing to be wrong about my theories. :)

It's almost like someone who was toying with the idea in his head as a sort of fantasy. I'm not sure if he even thought that he would ever be able to carry it out. If he did, he sure didn't cover his tracks very well!

[jerzeegirl]

The phrase "train wreck waiting to happen" comes to mind, eh? I've speculated before that Michelle kicked him to the curb that night, told him to spend the weekend at his mom's. Which means he wouldn't be around for Homecoming Weekend. Which means his happy-marriage charade would be exposed.

Whether or not Jason killed Michelle, I think his image was important to him. Was that the final straw?

well i believe a few people in the SW said that he did have a temper and he was impatient. Ive learned following these cases that there is no guide book to how murderers act before during and after. I believe anyone here can at least admit he was a narcissist.

and the part about his mood being worse than in myrtle is really kinda scary, i wouldnt have wanted to come home. Her email to him was so sweet. Oh and then the part about cassidy pis@ing her pants. Thats horrible way to describe it. SHE WAS TWO!

[5swab5]

People eat. There would be a deflecting comment trying to place blame elsewhere if he'd stopped at Burger King or anywhere else for dinner before he killed them. He has to eat of course, we all do.
JMO


Not to mention, that meal was literally hours before the murders. He hadn't even checked into his hotel yet, (which shoots down that idea of Jason putting the rock in the lock so he could go grab something to eat) he was just in Greensboro, N.C. I think someone said an hour or so from Raleigh. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi, Kat. I really don't know what to say to you right now. Based upon the things that keep coming out in the SWs, I really can't agree that people don't stop to eat at Cracker Barrel before killing someone.

I think there are people in the world who are so egocentric they could easily do that. Is Jason one of them? I don't know yet. But it's not impossible, IMO.


I don't know either, Card, but clearly they never should have been married, if all this is true.... and, it appears to be.

I feel so bad for Michelle and what she went through..
Jason wanted to be a player and there sure were playmates, even Michelle's friend betrayed her.

But, things still do not make sense.

For Jason to still be communicating on the net, didn't he know
he would be found and all correspondence would be seized?

There has to be a really good reason that he has not been arrested.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The phrase "train wreck waiting to happen" comes to mind, eh? I've speculated before that Michelle kicked him to the curb that night, told him to spend the weekend at his mom's. Which means he wouldn't be around for Homecoming Weekend. Which means his happy-marriage charade would be exposed.

Whether or not Jason killed Michelle, I think his image was important to him. Was that the final straw?


But, wait, Card, how was the "happy marriage charade" holding up, if friends say they were fighting?

Kat

[Cardinal]

It's almost like someone who was toying with the idea in his head as a sort of fantasy. I'm not sure if he even thought that he would ever be able to carry it out. If he did, he sure didn't cover his tracks very well!

That's kind of what I think. That maybe when he got enraged, he fantasized and did those searches. And I think the printouts could have been part of his image-bolstering, that just happened to come in handy later.

But I've always thought, that if Jason did this, it was too messy to have been planned far in advance. By someone Alan Fisher described as methodical.

But it does strike me as a killing that was methodical in the aftermath.

[Kat4Eagles]

You're right, Barbara, I know. But for some reason, it doesn't fit for me that way. Like I said, I'm willing to be wrong about my theories. :)

There is nothing wrong with being wrong...........
I will never regret giving Jason the benefit of the doubt until the very end, until those handcuffs go on and his rights are read.
If and when that happens.

Kat

[Cardinal]

But, wait, Card, how was the "happy marriage charade" holding up, if friends say they were fighting?

Kat

Their friends knew, Kat, but what about Jason's family and friends in Brevard? Did they know? - I doubt it. Whose opinion would have mattered to Jason?

And if he didn't plan this in advance, would he have viewed his internet correspondence in that light?

And I too feel so bad for Michelle. She and Rylan deserved so much better.

[Cardinal]

There is nothing wrong with being wrong...........
I will never regret giving Jason the benefit of the doubt until the very end, until those handcuffs go on and his rights are read.
If and when that happens.

Kat

Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt to a point. Despite what I'm thinking/feeling right now, I'm still willing to wait for the legal process.

But there has to be an element of reality, Kat. Yes, it's all CE. But taken as a whole, as many have said, how can you explain it all away?

I can't spin that hard. :)

[Kat4Eagles]

Their friends knew, Kat, but what about Jason's family and friends in Brevard? Did they know? - I doubt it. Whose opinion would have mattered to Jason?

And if he didn't plan this in advance, would he have viewed his internet correspondence in that light?

And I too feel so bad for Michelle. She and Rylan deserved so much better.

Not sure....maybe we will learn more soon.

I googled Raleigh to Greensboro, to the Cracker Barrel.
It is about 78 miles.
About 1 hour and 23 minutes drive.
Cracker Barrel closes at 10pm, so we know he was there before that.
In order for him to get to Hillsville by 11Pm, let me see.

ETA:
Greensboro to Hillsville is 93 miles, this is weird, because the Yahoo map takes you to
Wytheville first, then back to Hillsville.......
Which is the direct opposite of where he was the following am.
I am confused.

Kat

[Stellagant]

I don't know either, Card, but clearly they never should have been married, if all this is true.... and, it appears to be.

I feel so bad for Michelle and what she went through..
Jason wanted to be a player and there sure were playmates, even Michelle's friend betrayed her.

But, things still do not make sense.

For Jason to still be communicating on the net, didn't he know
he would be found and all correspondence would be seized?

There has to be a really good reason that he has not been arrested.
Kat

yeah, a really good reason would be there is still no evidence that ties Jason to the murder.

I wouldn't assume something coming from a "former friend" about a volitile relationship back when they lived in the townhouse is all that valid. While the couple may have been notorious for loud arguments, it takes two to argue and make noise for hours.

[Cardinal]

yeah, a really good reason would be there is still no evidence that ties Jason to the murder.

I wouldn't assume something coming from a "former friend" about a volitile relationship back when they lived in the townhouse is all that valid. While the couple may have been notorious for loud arguments, it takes two to argue and make noise for hours.

Are you saying Michelle should have just "taken it"?

[Jester]

At least we now know that Jason did not go hungry. Wonder why he would chose to eat on the road, instead of enjoying dinner like a loving husband and father with his family since he was going to be on the road the next day. Nevermind. MOO

It's abundantly clear that he was anything but a loving husband.

[Cardinal]

Not sure....maybe we will learn more soon.

I googled Raleigh to Greensboro, to the Cracker Barrel.
It is about 78 miles.
About 1 hour and 23 minutes drive.
Cracker Barrel closes at 10pm, so we know he was there before that.
In order for him to get to Hillsville by 11Pm, let me see.

ETA:
Greensboro to Hillsville is 93 miles, this is weird, because the Yahoo map takes you to
Wytheville first, then back to Hillsville.......
Which is the direct opposite of where he was the following am.
I am confused.

Kat

I'm not sure what you're seeing, Kat, but the most direct route to I77 (Hillsville) is through Greensboro/Winston-Salem/Mount Airy. That said, I've never stopped at Cracker Barrel during the evening meal hours that it didn't take an hour or more to get dinner and get back on the road. Doesn't seem like Jason was in hurry to get to close to Clintwood that night.

[Kat4Eagles]

Not sure....maybe we will learn more soon.

I googled Raleigh to Greensboro, to the Cracker Barrel.
It is about 78 miles.
About 1 hour and 23 minutes drive.
Cracker Barrel closes at 10pm, so we know he was there before that.
In order for him to get to Hillsville by 11Pm, let me see.

ETA:
Greensboro to Hillsville is 93 miles, this is weird, because the Yahoo map takes you to
Wytheville first, then back to Hillsville.......
Which is the direct opposite of where he was the following am.
I am confused.

Kat

ETA again.
If Jason went this route, it is 181 miles, not the 167 miles we were told, which takes even more time.
Plus, he had to leave Raleigh at approx 7:30pm, to get to Greensboro by 8:50 pm, eat and leave CB by 9:20 pm to get to Hillsville at approx
10:50 pm, the time we know he checked in.
I have no idea where I am going with this.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm not sure what you're seeing, Kat, but the most direct route to I77 (Hillsville) is through Greensboro/Winston-Salem/Mount Airy. That said, I've never stopped at Cracker Barrel during the evening meal hours that it didn't take an hour or more to get dinner and get back on the road. Doesn't seem like Jason was in hurry to get to close to Clintwood that night.

Yeah, I am a little lost..:lol:
I do this when I read maps.
But, I think I cleared it up
although I got lost again..
Kat

[Cardinal]

Yeah, I am a little lost..:lol:
I do this when I read maps.
But, I think I cleared it up
although I got lost again..
Kat

ROTFL Let me know when you figure it out, okay??

[jerzeegirl]

lol that was funny

Do they know he was at crackerbarrel because of a receipt? I dont remember it saying that in the search warrant. Im starting to think he met up with someone there.

All i know is that the timeline of the month before her death is really very eery.

[Jester]

Wow.


I am SO glad Cassidy will be primarily be living with Meredith.

What is with LE? Are they waiting for him to do this to some other poor woman who happens to hook up with him?

Reading the seach warrant, page 8: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/03/11/4712929/March_10,_2009,_search_warrant_for_Jason_Young's_G oogle_account.pdf

Jason said "Cass pissed herself all over the floor" and then tells Michelle he could kill her (meaning Michelle).

Is this the same Jason that Kingbuff has been describing as a good guy these last two years? Good guys don't swear at their wives, describe 2 year old accidents as "pissed herself", and say they could kill their wife.

Unbelievable.

[Jester]

I agree, the email sounded like she was walking on eggshells. And apparently her email didnt work, as you can see the reply he wrote which included 'kill u'.

Just as I typed yesterday or the day before, Im sure we havent seen all the CE that leads to the named Slayer yet. Im hopeful LE will arrest him soon, its time to get him off the streets before he harms someone else.

I wonder if Pat made all those post-murder trips with Jason just to protect Cassidy.
JMO

I think Pat has been keeping an eye on Cassidy to keep her safe these last couple of years. Pat knows how unstable and volatile Jason is.

[Barbara2]

Reading the seach warrant, page 8: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/03/11/4712929/March_10,_2009,_search_warrant_for_Jason_Young's_G oogle_account.pdf

Jason said "Cass pissed herself all over the floor" and then tells Michelle he could kill her (meaning Michelle).

Is this the same Jason that Kingbuff has been describing as a good guy these last two years? Good guys don't swear at their wives, describe 2 year old accidents as "pissed herself", and say they could kill their wife.

Unbelievable.

They also don't park their two year old in front of a TV while they go outside to do yard work. What was that about? And they don't plan on getting drunk at the swimming pool while they are supposed to be watching their two year old. That right there is indefensible. Credit to all for not trying to defend THAT behavior!!!

[achristie]

Reading the seach warrant, page 8: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/03/11/4712929/March_10,_2009,_search_warrant_for_Jason_Young's_G oogle_account.pdf

Jason said "Cass pissed herself all over the floor" and then tells Michelle he could kill her (meaning Michelle).

Is this the same Jason that Kingbuff has been describing as a good guy these last two years? Good guys don't swear at their wives, describe 2 year old accidents as "pissed herself", and say they could kill their wife.

Unbelievable.

Yep. Unbelievable.
MOO Aggie

[Jester]

I missed the financial difficulty part! Yet another rumor proven to be true.
JY must be sweating.
I don't like the way he spoke about CY either. So much for her being the center of his world.

MOO Aggie

Jason was always talking about financial problems according to a couple of friends. Some friends of the family have tried to deny it, but it has been obvious since the beginning that Jason was in way over his head financially, and wanted nothing more than to escape his financial responsibilities.

[jerzeegirl]

They also don't park their two year old in front of a TV while they go outside to do yard work. What was that about? And they don't plan on getting drunk at the swimming pool while they are supposed to be watching their two year old. That right there is indefensible. Credit to all for not trying to defend THAT behavior!!!


id love to know if that pool had a lifeguard at the time.

[Jester]

As far as I could tell skimming through both warrants there was no mention of keys, a child being moved or a vehicle being driven. Apparently LE is satisfied with the info their previous warrant discovered and leaves JY as the primary suspect.

Jason is described as the primary suspect in the warrants.

[jerzeegirl]

Maybe he was sleeping with the maid as well. That was the excuse for the underwear in the bed.

[achristie]

Jason was always talking about financial problems according to a couple of friends. Some friends of the family have tried to deny it, but it has been obvious since the beginning that Jason was in way over his head financially, and wanted nothing more than to escape his financial responsibilities.

I agree. I meant I missed the financial difficulty part being mentioned in the recent SW. Yes. I have followed this case from the beginning and am well aware of past discussions.:wink:

[Jester]

i see JY's email to Michelle as a threat. Hes almost warning her that his mood is worse than in Myrtle Beach. Wonder what happened there? Something to do with Michelle Money maybe?

I agree. It was a very threatening email. Michelle was at work, knowing that her husband had taken her 2 year old daughter (whom he was angry with because she "pissed herself") to the pool and he was going to drink beer. He was angry enough to say he could kill Michelle, and threatened that he was angrier than a previous, obviously serious, confrontation. It's a miracle Michelle was able to function.

[jerzeegirl]

I agree. It was a very threatening email. Michelle was at work, knowing that her husband had taken her 2 year old daughter (whom he was angry with because she "pissed herself") to the pool and he was going to drink beer. He was angry enough to say he could kill Michelle, and threatened that he was angrier than a previous, obviously serious, confrontation. It's a miracle Michelle was able to function.


Hence the reason for a therapist?

[Barbara2]

id love to know if that pool had a lifeguard at the time.

I doubt it. I don't think those community pools have lifeguards. All of the ones that I have seen have "swim at your own risk" signs. I think it's more likely that there was a watchful mom there though.

[jerzeegirl]

I doubt it. I don't think those community pools have lifeguards. All of the ones that I have seen have "swim at your own risk" signs. I think it's more likely that there was a watchful mom there though.


i lived in an apartment in Jacksonville NC years ago, the community pool was swim at your own risk, signs all over stating no minors in pool area without an adult.

[Jester]

I don't think we're allowed to post that word here. Not a problem, since everyone knows what it is anyway.

Goodnight :seeya:

Sorry. I didn't know that. I was quoting what was in the search warrant and didn't read the end of the last thread. Too late now, since I've been reading between posting.

Apologies to anyone I offended by posting Jason's statements from the search warrant. I agree that Jason's statements are extremely offensive.

[Jester]

They also don't park their two year old in front of a TV while they go outside to do yard work. What was that about? And they don't plan on getting drunk at the swimming pool while they are supposed to be watching their two year old. That right there is indefensible. Credit to all for not trying to defend THAT behavior!!!

I'm almost lost for words after reading the search warrants. Jason is not working and has to collect Cassidy. He's obviously very angry about taking care of Cassidy for a few hours. You make a very good point about Jason leaving Cassidy to watch TV when he was responsible for her, and he apparently thought there was nothing wrong with being outside and leaving a 2 year old alone in the house.

[Jester]

Does the warrant said JY stopped at CB? Maybe the cops were hungry and they stopped.

The warrant says that the police retraced Jason's route. When that is the objective, it's unlikely that they got distracted and took off in search of food.

[Barbara2]

The warrant says that the police retraced Jason's route. When that is the objective, it's unlikely that they got distracted and took off in search of food.

Not to mention that I have heard from locals that this particular Cracker Barrel is not easily accessible and not exactly right off the beaten path.

[Jester]

That email confused me . Are those just bits and pieces of different emails? Why would she ask who was picking the child up if he already had her?

Michelle asked Jason who was picking up Cassidy. He wasn't working, so it should have been an easy decision. He should have said "hey, I'm not working, you're supporting the family, I'll happily collect our daughter. Is there anything you'd like me to make for dinner?" Did he say that? No, he said he didn't care. Michelle's last comment in her message was for him to call her. Maybe he called her. The next message is obviously after he picked up Cassidy, and he's clearly ready to kill. What a loser! Even having to lift a finger and pick up his daughter was enough to cause an outburst that sounds much like a tantrum. Poor spoiled Jason had to help with his daughter when he had nothing else to do, and he was mad.

[Barbara2]

Michelle asked Jason who was picking up Cassidy. He wasn't working, so it should have been an easy decision. He should have said "hey, I'm not working, you're supporting the family, I'll happily collect our daughter. Is there anything you'd like me to make for dinner?" Did he say that? No, he said he didn't care. Michelle's last comment in her message was for him to call her. Maybe he called her. The next message is obviously after he picked up Cassidy, and he's clearly ready to kill. What a loser! Even having to lift a finger and pick up his daughter was enough to cause an outburst that sounds much like a tantrum. Poor spoiled Jason had to help with his daughter when he had nothing else to do, and he was mad.

I'm also wondering why he didn't finish the yard work while Cassidy was at daycare. What was he doing all day?

[Jester]

I'm also wondering why he didn't finish the yard work while Cassidy was at daycare. What was he doing all day?

What was he doing all day everyday, and did he have other women in and out of the bedroom while Cassidy was being babysat by the TV? I'm sure he was careful to look in the bed for underwear after his first oversight, but that doesn't mean he changed his ways.

He's such a disgusting excuse for a husband and father. It sounds like he didn't mature emotionally a day past childhood.

[Barbara2]

What was he doing all day everyday, and did he have other women in and out of the bedroom while Cassidy was being babysat by the TV? I'm sure he was careful to look in the bed for underwear after his first oversight, but that doesn't mean he changed his ways.

I know that he was between jobs when he took his mother and sister on vacation to Disneyland in June but when did his next job kick in? Do you know? I know I have seen a timeline of his spotty employment history but I can't remember where and I don't remember when the gaps were.

[Barbara2]

I'm still comfused. If the power was off how was he using the computer? Are those bits from phone messages? The warrant calls them an email.

Some people have cell phones that have internet. Or they may have had a card for a notebook computer that carried the internet. I'm sure the investigators know.

[Doorbell]

And Jason's foreboding answer:

I don't care who gets her.

MOO

That set me reeling!

What a cold and uncaring thing to say!

[Leanne Weich]

That set me reeling!

What a cold and uncaring thing to say!

I've obviously missed that. Where did you see that?

[on the go]

I've obviously missed that. Where did you see that?

search warrant, page 8: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...le_account.pdf

[caffeinated]

I've obviously missed that. Where did you see that?

Page 7 of the non bebo SW, it was email communication b/t Michelle and Jason

[Doorbell]

I've obviously missed that. Where did you see that?


It 's in one of the warrants released today. Michelle asked Jason who was picking up Cassidy (I guess, from day care), and he said he didn't care.

It's on page 8 of the 18-page warrant for his google mail account.


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/03/11/4712929/March_10,_2009,_search_warrant_for_Jason_Young%27s _Google_account.pdf

[Leanne Weich]

On the go, Caffeinated and Doorbell, thanks so much. I think I was so upset with the things I read that that comment didn't register with me. What a loving father he seemed to be - NOT.

[Doorbell]

On the go, Caffeinated and Doorbell, thanks so much. I think I was so upset with the things I read that that comment didn't register with me. What a loving father he seemed to be - NOT.

You're welcome. I usually have to read them several times to get it all; and still I have to go back.

[Jester]

On the go, Caffeinated and Doorbell, thanks so much. I think I was so upset with the things I read that that comment didn't register with me. What a loving father he seemed to be - NOT.

It shouldn't be long before we see it argued that even good men swear at their wives, say they want to kill their wives to their wives, guzzle beer while watching their two year old at the pool, leave their toddlers to watch TV while they're outside doing something in the yard, leave their girlfriend's underwear in their wife's beds, lie to cover their adultery, and whine like a baby with threats of a tantrum because they have to help with transporting children while unemployed. It's no surprise that Linda knew immediately who murdered her daughter.

Jason is the definition of a psychologically abusive man.

[Stellagant]

Are you saying Michelle should have just "taken it"?

Of course not but she didn't have to be an active participant for hours, either.

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree. It was a very threatening email. Michelle was at work, knowing that her husband had taken her 2 year old daughter (whom he was angry with because she "pissed herself") to the pool and he was going to drink beer. He was angry enough to say he could kill Michelle, and threatened that he was angrier than a previous, obviously serious, confrontation. It's a miracle Michelle was able to function.

Umm, I think you need to calm down a little.
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Does the warrant said JY stopped at CB? Maybe the cops were hungry and they stopped.

Could be.......but they were doing a mileage run.............
Kat

[Stellagant]

Is Sowerby the unnamed girl from camp that Jason was talking about in one of his emails? I understand that he was talking to one girl from camp about another girl from camp. Was he finding out more about Sowerby before hitting on her?

And, the big question, what is wrong with Sowerby that she's sleeping with Jason while Michelle is out of town? Michelle Money, Caroll Anne Sowerby, maybe more? What's the correct word for married women that slum around with married men while their wives are away? Are these women so desperately unsatisfied with their marriages and decisions that they want to interfere with other marriages? I hope their husbands throw them out with the trash.

Nowhere in the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was sleeping with Jason Young or was having an affair with him. :no:

[Tia]

It shouldn't be long before we see it argued that even good men swear at their wives, say they want to kill their wives to their wives, guzzle beer while watching their two year old at the pool, leave their toddlers to watch TV while they're outside doing something in the yard, leave their girlfriend's underwear in their wife's beds, lie to cover their adultery, and whine like a baby with threats of a tantrum because they have to help with transporting children while unemployed. It's no surprise that Linda knew immediately who murdered her daughter.

Jason is the definition of a psychologically abusive man.
Yes he is.

And I am wondering if he were an alchoholic as well????

[Doorbell]

Of course not but she didn't have to be an active participant for hours, either.

She was still young enough not to have realized how useless arguing with him was.

[5swab5]

I agree. It was a very threatening email. Michelle was at work, knowing that her husband had taken her 2 year old daughter (whom he was angry with because she "pissed herself") to the pool and he was going to drink beer. He was angry enough to say he could kill Michelle, and threatened that he was angrier than a previous, obviously serious, confrontation. It's a miracle Michelle was able to function.

I would imagine her production wasn't up to par that day. Geeze, what a guilt trip he tried to lay on her, like it wasn't his kid too. Wah, Wah, Wah, I can hear him whining now.
Poor Cassidy, that kind of rabid anger over the power being out and a two-year old's accident is unjustified. She was probably scared to death. Thankfully August will be here before we know it. MOO

[Doorbell]

Nowhere in the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was sleeping with Jason Young or was having an affair with him. :no:

You are right.

You're going to start the same thing as went on forever about Michelle Money, aren't you?

Check the dates against when Michelle went to New York, and check the custody suit papers filed by Linda and Meredith.

It's my opinion that he and Mrs Sowerby were having an affair.

[Kat4Eagles]

Nowhere in the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was sleeping with Jason Young or was having an affair with him. :no:


I know, and I think people should calm down a little bit.
Jason went to a Cracker Barrel, it is a family restaurant, not a strip joint.!!
We are reading and hearing lots of things out of context..
I mean, come on, things are looking bad, I agree, but they still are unable to charge him for some reason.

He will defintely not be a candidate for Husband of the Year.....but, remember Michelle loved him and married him, and must have saw something in him, since she stayed.
I would have been out the door...........or his clothes would have been on the lawn......
Kat

[Doorbell]

I would imagine her production wasn't up to par that day. Geeze, what a guilt trip he tried to lay on her, like it wasn't his kid too. Wah, Wah, Wah, I can hear him whining now.
Poor Cassidy, that kind of rabid anger over the power being out and a two-year old's accident is unjustified. She was probably scared to death. Thankfully August will be here before we know it. MOO

It gives a whole new perspective on the picture he used to answer ads on Craigslist, doesn't it?

[Kat4Eagles]

You are right.

You're going to start the same thing as went on forever about Michelle Money, aren't you?

Check the dates against when Michelle went to New York, and check the custody suit papers filed by Linda and Meredith.

It's my opinion that he and Mrs Sowerby were having an affair.


Do you think we should be a little more careful before we post something like this?
Or at least, link it......
I think it is a little early to be using people's real names here.
Not just you, Doorbell, but everyone.
I think the person you mentioned is married, and you are responsible for what you post, not In Sessions.
I don't want to see us getting closed or anyone getting in trouble.
Kat

[5swab5]

Nowhere in the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was sleeping with Jason Young or was having an affair with him. :no:

LE didn't spell it out to some people's satisfaction with Michelle Money for a long time either. The rumors have proven to be reliable for the most part, but time will tell about Sowerby. Might be easier to make a list of the ones that he hasn't bedded tho. MOO

[5swab5]

It gives a whole new perspective on the picture he used to answer ads on Craigslist, doesn't it?

GMTA! In fact, I started to mention in my post that the Craig's List photo of Cassidy is probably not the only one of her looking terrified. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

GMTA! In fact, I started to mention in my post that the Craig's List photo of Cassidy is probably not the only one of her looking terrified. MOO

But, in one of the s/w's, XX also mentions the fact of how much Jason loves CY.........

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

But, in one of the s/w's, XX also mentions the fact of how much Jason loves CY.........

Kat

I doubt Jason showed his true colors regarding Cassidy to his friends and family. Most abusive men don't, imo. You yourself have spent 2 years applauding him for being a wonderful father. With what you've seen to date, does it not give you pause that you may have misread him?

His comments to Michelle about Cassie "pissing" herself and not caring who was picking her up is bad enough but not to fight to retain full physical custody of her just takes the cake, imo.

[Jester]

Nowhere in the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was sleeping with Jason Young or was having an affair with him. :no:

Sometimes, some of us think for ourselves. We don't need to have the facts interpreted for us. Michelle was away with Cassidy. Jason was home alone. Jason had been in contact with someone from this camp counselor days on May 18th, 2006. Six months later, Caroll Anne Sowerby, also from his camp counselor days, drops in for a visit without her husband. She stayed for a couple of days. Maybe she slept on the couch. Maybe he did. Her name is all over the search warrant as someone he is in touch with still today. Her name, and that of Michelle Money have been associated with Jason in much the same context. I don't know what they did in the house alone for two days, but given Jason's history, it's not much of a leap to figure it out.

Should we debate what Caroll Anne Sowerby and Jason Young did when they were alone for two days and both of their spouses were miles away?

[Kat4Eagles]

Sometimes, some of us think for ourselves. We don't need to have the facts interpreted for us. Michelle was away with Cassidy. Jason was home alone. Jason had been in contact with someone from this camp counselor days on May 18th, 2006. Six months later, Caroll Anne Sowerby, also from his camp counselor days, drops in for a visit without her husband. She stayed for a couple of days. Maybe she slept on the couch. Maybe he did. Her name is all over the search warrant as someone he is in touch with still today. Her name, and that of Michelle Money have been associated with Jason in much the same context. I don't know what they did in the house alone for two days, but given Jason's history, it's not much of a leap to figure it out.

Should we debate what Caroll Anne Sowerby and Jason Young did when they were alone for two days and both of their spouses were miles away?


You mentioned her full name 2x now in the same post.
:rolleyes:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I doubt Jason showed his true colors regarding Cassidy to his friends and family. Most abusive men don't, imo. You yourself have spent 2 years applauding him for being a wonderful father. With what you've seen to date, does it not give you pause that you may have misread him?

His comments to Michelle about Cassie "pissing" herself and not caring who was picking her up is bad enough but not to fight to retain full physical custody of her just takes the cake, imo.


I am not ready to throw the towel in yet, apparently he was having a bad day, but, Michelle did not leave him over it..

I can't begin to defend the things that came out today in the s/w's, but I still would like to see this through until the end, and I still would like to know why no arrest......

I have the option of waiting until it all plays out...we have waited this long....

Kat.

[Leanne Weich]

I am not ready to throw the towel in yet, apparently he was having a bad day, but, Michelle did not leave him over it..

I can't begin to defend the things that came out today in the s/w's, but I still would like to see this through until the end, and I still would like to know why no arrest......

I have the option of waiting until it all plays out...we have waited this long....

Kat.

Of course you do. I was just trying to gauge what your feelings were now with what has been revealed to date. I'm certainly not trying to get you to change your mind.

[Doorbell]

Of course you do. I was just trying to gauge what your feelings were now with what has been revealed to date. I'm certainly not trying to get you to change your mind.

Maybe Michelle was about to leave him. Maybe that's the trigger, as it is in so many abusive relationships.

[Stellagant]

Sometimes, some of us think for ourselves. We don't need to have the facts interpreted for us. Michelle was away with Cassidy. Jason was home alone. Jason had been in contact with someone from this camp counselor days on May 18th, 2006. Six months later, Caroll Anne Sowerby, also from his camp counselor days, drops in for a visit without her husband. She stayed for a couple of days. Maybe she slept on the couch. Maybe he did. Her name is all over the search warrant as someone he is in touch with still today. Her name, and that of Michelle Money have been associated with Jason in much the same context. I don't know what they did in the house alone for two days, but given Jason's history, it's not much of a leap to figure it out.

Should we debate what Caroll Anne Sowerby and Jason Young did when they were alone for two days and both of their spouses were miles away?

How about you stick to known facts rather than lying about them?

Nowhere on the search warrant does it state that Sowerby was alone when she visited Jason. It certainly didn't state she slept with him. That's all your imagination.

:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

From some of the things we have hear I think JY was hoping she would leave him. Sounds like he was the one about finished with the marriage. Sometimes women get pregnant to get a man to marry them sometimes women get pregnant to try and keep a man. I'm not so sure but what this wasn't what MY did . Why she wanted to hang onto a man that obviously didn't want her I can't begin to figure out.


And sometimes, men who hate their wives enough to totally disrespect them, cheat on them and make their lives generally miserable...happen to live in a State that says, if you are the cheater...you pay. And sometimes those men bludgeon their wives to death instead of divorcing them, paying alimony and child support. MOO

[5swab5]

Its my understanding alimony is paid to women who have been dependent on their spouses during their marriage . I don't believe MY fits into that. So that leaves child support. Murder to keep from paying child support and leave the child behind so you will have to support her. Yes that makes a lot of sense.

If you remember correctly, Michelle was going to cut back on her hours. No one knows to what extent or for how long. She may have decided that she like being home with the children. That would have made Jason the breadwinner and responsible for actually keeping a job. In the event of a divorce, that changes everything.

§ 50‑16.3A. Alimony.

(a) Entitlement. – In an action brought pursuant to Chapter 50 of the General Statutes, either party may move for alimony. The court shall award alimony to the dependent spouse upon a finding that one spouse is a dependent spouse, that the other spouse is a supporting spouse, and that an award of alimony is equitable after considering all relevant factors, including those set out in subsection (b) of this section. If the court finds that the dependent spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, the court shall not award alimony. If the court finds that the supporting spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then the court shall order that alimony be paid to a dependent spouse.


http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_50/GS_50-16.3A.html

[5swab5]

Its my understanding alimony is paid to women who have been dependent on their spouses during their marriage . I don't believe MY fits into that. So that leaves child support. Murder to keep from paying child support and leave the child behind so you will have to support her. Yes that makes a lot of sense.


How much does it cost a guy to raise a child, when he doesn't have a job and lives with his mommie?

One thing's for sure...It cost a whole heck of a lot less to raise that child when you just up and give away PRIMARY physical custody. MOO

[alterEgo©]

Maybe Michelle was about to leave him. Maybe that's the trigger, as it is in so many abusive relationships.Oh so now it's put forth as fact that the relationship was abusive. :rolleyes:

How come all this abuse wasn't revealed in the WDS or custody complaint?

[Stellagant]

Oh so now it's put forth as fact that the relationship was abusive. :rolleyes:

How come all this abuse wasn't revealed in the WDS or custody complaint?

Because Michelle was a voluntary participant is my guess. Even the acquaintance who told LE the relationship was volatile also admitted Michelle never told her Jason was abusive.

That search warrant portrays a side of Michelle never before seen and reminds me of the picture of Nancy Cooper that emerged. Arguments that lasted for hours and often in front of friends. Who else did she argue with? I doubt Michelle's anger was restricted to only Jason. I'd like to know how she and Meredith got along. How well did she get along with co-workers? It opens possibilities that a confrontation with someone other than Jason led up to her murder.

Where did Michelle go that she couldn't let Jason finish yard work and instead left him to deal with both the yard work and a two-year-old, an impossible task? She knew it and apologized for it.

[Barbara2]

OMG. Is it me or are you trying to blame the victim? :cursing:
Your post makes me sick to my stomach.

It was Jason that said he was in that "mood" NOT Michelle. No where in her words did I get anger. She was trying to pacify someone with a temper. And I do believe she probably went to WORK and that is why JY couldn't get the yardwork done (MO). Someone has to be responsible.

It was a Wednesday so she was most likely at work. Jason didn't have Cassidy all day. The question in the email was in regard to who would be picking up Cassidy. I have no idea why Jason was unable to get his yard work done while he was home alone.

[Jules2]

OMG. Is it me or are you trying to blame the victim? :cursing:
Your post makes me sick to my stomach.

It was Jason that said he was in that "mood" NOT Michelle. No where in her words did I get anger. She was trying to pacify someone with a temper. And I do believe she probably went to WORK and that is why JY couldn't get the yardwork done (MO). Someone has to be responsible.

Makes me ill as well, onederwomyn.

You are right when you say that someone needs to be responsible. No one, and I mean NO ONE deserves to be treated the way Michelle was by her so called "loving" husband. To insinuate she deserved to be treated that way is ridiculous IMO. Have we seen SW's indicating Michelle was having an affair? Nope! Have we seen any indication that Michelle was anything but a loving wife and mother who worked very hard to help provide for her family? Nope!

The lengths some will go to in order to defend a man who has displayed nothing but inappropriate behavior in every sense of the word, is totally mind boggling.

I realize it take two to tango, but everything I have seen so far regarding this case shows that only one dance partner was stepping out of line.

[Jules2]

It was a Wednesday so she was most likely at work. Jason didn't have Cassidy all day. The question in the email was in regard to who would be picking up Cassidy. I have no idea why Jason was unable to get his yard work done while he was home alone.


The tone of that e mail says one thing, IMO.


"Responsibility of being a father and a husband is cramping my lifestyle!"

[Tia]

OMG. Is it me or are you trying to blame the victim? :cursing:
Your post makes me sick to my stomach.

It was Jason that said he was in that "mood" NOT Michelle. No where in her words did I get anger. She was trying to pacify someone with a temper. And I do believe she probably went to WORK and that is why JY couldn't get the yardwork done (MO). Someone has to be responsible.

ITA. I just saw it and felt sick myself.

What a horrible thing to insinuate.

[Stellagant]

OMG. Is it me or are you trying to blame the victim? :cursing:
Your post makes me sick to my stomach.

It was Jason that said he was in that "mood" NOT Michelle. No where in her words did I get anger. She was trying to pacify someone with a temper. And I do believe she probably went to WORK and that is why JY couldn't get the yardwork done (MO). Someone has to be responsible.

How you managed to twist my post into blaming either Michelle or Nancy for their own murders is beyond me.

According to the search warrant, Michelle and Jason's arguments were loud, lengthy and in front of friends. No mention that Michelle's part was trying to "pacify" Jason. :rolleyes:

[awareness]

I am not ready to throw the towel in yet, apparently he was having a bad day, but, Michelle did not leave him over it..

I can't begin to defend the things that came out today in the s/w's, but I still would like to see this through until the end, and I still would like to know why no arrest......

I have the option of waiting until it all plays out...we have waited this long....

Kat.


And we have the right to express our own thoughts as well Kat. Funny how you say you have the option of waiting it all out, not ready to throw in the towel (which we all know anyway), yet felt the need twice in your prior posts telling some of us to "calm down". I dont think anyone is literally upset or enraged here, that's JMO - but we're also allowed to feel those things. Jason was NOT a good person to Michelle, let alone the fact I feel he murdered her & Ryland. But take the murder out, still what a jerk. Talking about his own daughter like that? The at least 2, probably more, affairs?
JMO

[awareness]

ITA. I just saw it and felt sick myself.

What a horrible thing to insinuate.

Stella also insinuates Meredith is culpable. I take it with a grain of salt. LE is clearly on the right path, dont let those uncredible rumors upset you.
JMO

[awareness]

Because Michelle was a voluntary participant is my guess. Even the acquaintance who told LE the relationship was volatile also admitted Michelle never told her Jason was abusive.

That search warrant portrays a side of Michelle never before seen and reminds me of the picture of Nancy Cooper that emerged. Arguments that lasted for hours and often in front of friends. Who else did she argue with? I doubt Michelle's anger was restricted to only Jason. I'd like to know how she and Meredith got along. How well did she get along with co-workers? It opens possibilities that a confrontation with someone other than Jason led up to her murder.

Where did Michelle go that she couldn't let Jason finish yard work and instead left him to deal with both the yard work and a two-year-old, an impossible task? She knew it and apologized for it.

Its clear to me that Cassidy was probably at Day Care, since the "who is picking Cassidy up" email was sent to Jason from Michelle. That means he had plenty of time, on his own, to do the yard work. So NO, its NOT an "impossible task" and you should maybe think about everything their email chain talks about before you pass judgement.
JMO

[Tia]

And we have the right to express our own thoughts as well Kat. Funny how you say you have the option of waiting it all out, not ready to throw in the towel (which we all know anyway), yet felt the need twice in your prior posts telling some of us to "calm down". I dont think anyone is literally upset or enraged here, that's JMO - but we're also allowed to feel those things. Jason was NOT a good person to Michelle, let alone the fact I feel he murdered her & Ryland. But take the murder out, still what a jerk. Talking about his own daughter like that? The at least 2, probably more, affairs?
JMO

If he was half as disgusted with Cassidy "pizzing on the floor" as he sounded in his text to Michelle, what must that poor baby have had to endure?

I'm really starting to wonder if he had intended to kill her too with the adult meds that night.

JMO

[Stellagant]

It was a Wednesday so she was most likely at work. Jason didn't have Cassidy all day. The question in the email was in regard to who would be picking up Cassidy. I have no idea why Jason was unable to get his yard work done while he was home alone.

You are selectively reading. It was an email exchange and nowwhere does it say Jason was home alone. Michelle apologizes for interrupting the yard work. But even in her apology, she chides him by saying she thought he could "handle it."

Jason apparently is the one who did pick up Cassidy because he is the one who arrived home with Cassidy and found the a.c. out. It seems Jason did a lot of the picking up and dropping off of Cassidy. It's mentioned several times in the warrants.

[Jules2]

How you managed to twist my post into blaming either Michelle or Nancy for their own murders is beyond me.

According to the search warrant, Michelle and Jason's arguments were loud, lengthy and in front of friends. No mention that Michelle's part was trying to "pacify" Jason. :rolleyes:


Read the wording Michelle used in those emails and then read the wording Jason used.


You can clearly see who was maintaining a level head throughout the dialog and who was not.

Your post insinuated that Michelle "may" have had anger issues as you stated that you "doubt Michelle's anger was restricted to only Jason". I have only seen "abusive" and "offensive" language being used by Jason. Period.


You may have not directly blamed Michelle for her own death, but you have certainly insinuated that her death may have been the result of her "anger issues".

What anger has Michelle displayed?

Did she rip doors off their hinges or punch holes in walls?

Loud arguments that go on for hours do not necessarily mean Michelle had anger issues. Abusive language in emails, holes punched in walls and doors ripped from their hinges would fall under that category, though. IMO

[Stellagant]

Its clear to me that Cassidy was probably at Day Care, since the "who is picking Cassidy up" email was sent to Jason from Michelle. That means he had plenty of time, on his own, to do the yard work. So NO, its NOT an "impossible task" and you should maybe think about everything their email chain talks about before you pass judgement.
JMO

Nowhere in that exchange does it even suggest Jason was home alone.

If you want to intentionally ignore the part of the email where Michelle mentions Jason's work schedule, that's up to you.

[Stellagant]

Read the wording Michelle used in those emails and then read the wording Jason used.


You can clearly see who was maintaining a level head throughout the dialog and who was not.

Your post insinuated that Michelle "may" have had anger issues as you stated that you "doubt Michelle's anger was restricted to only Jason". I have only seen "abusive" and "offensive" language being used by Jason. Period.


You may have not directly blamed Michelle for her own death, but you have certainly insinuated that her death may have been the result of her "anger issues".

What anger has Michelle displayed?

Did she rip doors off their hinges or punch holes in walls?

Loud arguments that go on for hours do not necessarily mean Michelle had anger issues. Abusive language in emails, holes punched in walls and doors ripped from their hinges would fall under that category, though. IMO

Loud arguments that go on for hours in front of friends are not normal behavior on either Jason or Michelle's part. I don't know that any friends ever witnessed holes punched in walls and doors ripped from their hinges.

You'll have to ask the friends what anger Michelle displayed. They witnessed it, I didn't.

[Jules2]

Nowhere in that exchange does it even suggest Jason was home alone.

If you want to intentionally ignore the part of the email where Michelle mentions Jason's work schedule, that's up to you.


You know, you might just be right.


Seeing how Michelle found another woman's undergarments in her bed, the odds of Jason being there by himself is reduced greatly.


IMO

[Jules2]

Loud arguments that go on for hours in front of friends are not normal behavior on either Jason or Michelle's part. I don't know that any friends ever witnessed holes punched in walls and doors ripped from their hinges.

You'll have to ask the friends what anger Michelle displayed. They witnessed it, I didn't.


Not sure there are any witnesses who saw Michelle display any anger since the witnesses questioned on the SW only stated that Jason had the anger issues.


IMO

[Barbara2]

You are selectively reading. It was an email exchange and nowwhere does it say Jason was home alone. Michelle apologizes for interrupting the yard work. But even in her apology, she chides him by saying she thought he could "handle it."

Jason apparently is the one who did pick up Cassidy because he is the one who arrived home with Cassidy and found the a.c. out. It seems Jason did a lot of the picking up and dropping off of Cassidy. It's mentioned several times in the warrants.

It seems that Jason was out of work more often than Michelle. I would think the LEAST he could do is pick up his daughter. It's not like he had to be anywhere while he was out of work.

[Stellagant]

Not sure there are any witnesses who saw Michelle display any anger since the witnesses questioned on the SW only stated that Jason had the anger issues.


IMO

according to the witness mentioned in the search warrant, they notoriously didn't get along and had arguments in public. I have no reason not to believe this witness who, btw, didn't say Jason had "anger issues." He said Jason sometimes "lost patience" with Michelle. I wonder what she was doing that was testing his patience?

[Stellagant]

It seems that Jason was out of work more often than Michelle. I would think the LEAST he could do is pick up his daughter. It's not like he had to be anywhere while he was out of work.

Michelle mentions his work schedule in the email and she apologized. I'm not surprised you want to twist that to mean he was unemployed.
:rolleyes:

[awareness]

Nowhere in that exchange does it even suggest Jason was home alone.

If you want to intentionally ignore the part of the email where Michelle mentions Jason's work schedule, that's up to you.


And if you want to intentionally misread, that's up to you. IMO Michelle clearly thought he was not working, or had time off, to finish the yard work, while Cassidy was at day care.

And you are right, Jason probably had one of his side-girlfriends over if he had any time alone.

JMO

[awareness]

according to the witness mentioned in the search warrant, they notoriously didn't get along and had arguments in public. I have no reason not to believe this witness who, btw, didn't say Jason had "anger issues." He said Jason sometimes "lost patience" with Michelle. I wonder what she was doing that was testing his patience?

So she deserved the cheating? The mental abuse he was putting her through by cheating on her? The treating their child Cassidy so poorly? I dont think so. If Jason had such a problem with Michelle's personality, he should have divorced her instead of KILL HER.
JMO

[jerzeegirl]

according to the witness mentioned in the search warrant, they notoriously didn't get along and had arguments in public. I have no reason not to believe this witness who, btw, didn't say Jason had "anger issues." He said Jason sometimes "lost patience" with Michelle. I wonder what she was doing that was testing his patience?


perhaps she was accusing him of cheating?

[Doorbell]

Oh so now it's put forth as fact that the relationship was abusive. :rolleyes:

How come all this abuse wasn't revealed in the WDS or custody complaint?

Perhaps it was considered unnecessary? Or perhaps, as the police had never been called, it would not fly.

I'm basing my opinion on the information from the latest search warrants (witnesses do have to swear their testimony is the truth, you know), and information garnered from Women's Shelters and this site:

http://www.ndvh.org/get-educated/what-is-domestic-violence/

[awareness]

Michelle mentions his work schedule in the email and she apologized. I'm not surprised you want to twist that to mean he was unemployed.
:rolleyes:

No, Michelle does NOT go into detail about Jason's work schedule. But its clear she felt he had time off to take care of the yardwork while Cassidy at day care. She said "I know you are mad and I am really sorry. I know you have been doing a lot around the house with Cass and I really appreciate it. I have just been really busy at work and I thought this is a slack time for you with your job so you could handle it." While maybe Jason did have a job at the time, clearly Michelle thought he had downtime - enough to take care of the yard work while Cassidy was at day care.

How does I have just been really busy at work and I thought this is a slack time for you with your job so you could handle it." turn into knowing Jason's work schedule? It doesnt.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Michelle mentions his work schedule in the email and she apologized. I'm not surprised you want to twist that to mean he was unemployed.


"...slack time for you with your job" does sound like a very polite way of saying "unemployed". IMO

[awareness]

"...slack time for you with your job" does sound like a very polite way of saying "unemployed". IMO

I agree Barbara, he may have been unemployed. Or during a down time, maybe a vacation day - who knows. LE does, Im sure we'll know more after he's arrested and sent to trial. We'll get dates of emails, etc. Sounds to me like Jason was upset Michelle was asking him to do yard work during his downtime (possibly unemployment), he was probably upset cause that got in the way of him juggling his at least 2 other girlfriends.
JMO

[Doorbell]

You are selectively reading. It was an email exchange and nowwhere does it say Jason was home alone. Michelle apologizes for interrupting the yard work. But even in her apology, she chides him by saying she thought he could "handle it."

Jason apparently is the one who did pick up Cassidy because he is the one who arrived home with Cassidy and found the a.c. out. It seems Jason did a lot of the picking up and dropping off of Cassidy. It's mentioned several times in the warrants.

Why shouldn't he, when, at that time, Michelle was working and Jason was not?

Isn't it nice that Michelle made enough money for Cassidy to go to day care, leaving Jason free to find a job, do yard work, fix things around the house or play around with whoever?


IMO

[Stellagant]

So she deserved the cheating? The mental abuse he was putting her through by cheating on her? The treating their child Cassidy so poorly? I dont think so. If Jason had such a problem with Michelle's personality, he should have divorced her instead of KILL HER.
JMO

Of course she didn't deserve the cheating. So why didn't she file for divorce?

[Stellagant]

Why shouldn't he, when, at that time, Michelle was working and Jason was not?

Isn't it nice that Michelle made enough money for Cassidy to go to day care, leaving Jason free to find a job, do yard work, fix things around the house or play around with whoever?


IMO

Link to Jason was not working?

[Doorbell]

according to the witness mentioned in the search warrant, they notoriously didn't get along and had arguments in public. I have no reason not to believe this witness who, btw, didn't say Jason had "anger issues." He said Jason sometimes "lost patience" with Michelle. I wonder what she was doing that was testing his patience?

Living, perhaps?

[Stellagant]

"...slack time for you with your job" does sound like a very polite way of saying "unemployed". IMO

it was a snide insult to her own husband who, I'm pretty sure, wasn't unemployed.

[Stellagant]

Living, perhaps?

Takes two to argue.

[jerzeegirl]

Of course she didn't deserve the cheating. So why didn't she file for divorce?

Millions of men and women stay with their spouses after finding out they cheated. My SIL stayed with my BIL after he cheated. He was also very mentally abusive (bipolar) and she still remains with him. Hes never layed a hand on her but their therapist deems her an abused wife. Its textbook abuse. Millions of women out there stay. Millions dont and we dont know if michelle planned to leave. So many here have said, "then why did she get pregnant again?" . Well ummm, that was five months prior to her murder, things may have been different then. He was cheating with her best friend in October, well after she was pregnant. Sure he probably cheated before the pregnancy but maybe she didnt know nor suspect.

No one here should judge anyone for staying in a marriage. Peoples marriages are THEIR business. Alot of people believe in till death do us part. Unfortunately for michelle, thats the only vow that Jason honored.

[Doorbell]

it was a snide insult to her own husband who, I'm pretty sure, wasn't unemployed.

Link to Jason's being employed on July 12, 2006?

[Tia]

Living, perhaps?

That sure is what it seems like.

I am sickened to see that now the blame has been moved to Michelle.
Unbelievable.

JMO

[Stellagant]

Millions of men and women stay with their spouses after finding out they cheated. My SIL stayed with my BIL after he cheated. He was also very mentally abusive (bipolar) and she still remains with him. Hes never layed a hand on her but their therapist deems her an abused wife. Its textbook abuse. Millions of women out there stay. Millions dont and we dont know if michelle planned to leave. So many here have said, "then why did she get pregnant again?" . Well ummm, that was five months prior to her murder, things may have been different then. He was cheating with her best friend in October, well after she was pregnant. Sure he probably cheated before the pregnancy but maybe she didnt know nor suspect.

No one here should judge anyone for staying in a marriage. Peoples marriages are THEIR business. Alot of people believe in till death do us part. Unfortunately for michelle, thats the only vow that Jason honored.

No evidence Michelle was an abused wife.

[Stellagant]

Link to Jason's being employed on July 12, 2006?

the search warrant: Michelle used the word "job"

[Tia]

Millions of men and women stay with their spouses after finding out they cheated. My SIL stayed with my BIL after he cheated. He was also very mentally abusive (bipolar) and she still remains with him. Hes never layed a hand on her but their therapist deems her an abused wife. Its textbook abuse. Millions of women out there stay. Millions dont and we dont know if michelle planned to leave. So many here have said, "then why did she get pregnant again?" . Well ummm, that was five months prior to her murder, things may have been different then. He was cheating with her best friend in October, well after she was pregnant. Sure he probably cheated before the pregnancy but maybe she didnt know nor suspect.

No one here should judge anyone for staying in a marriage. Peoples marriages are THEIR business. Alot of people believe in till death do us part. Unfortunately for michelle, thats the only vow that Jason honored.


Jason most definately was a mental and verbal abuser. With the affairs, panties in the bed, the way he talked to Michelle, the harsh words he used when Cassidy wet herself, and the threat "you better hope the beer kicks in"............its very clear he was an abuser.

[jerzeegirl]

Takes two to argue.

but it doesnt take two to start the arguement. Obviously in that email, she is being sweet and apologetic. Where you get snide from ill never understand. You seem to think that michelle should have put up with all his garbage and not have an argument. If my husband EVER did only one of the things that jason has done to embarrass michelle and humiliate michelle, youd be damn sure there would be alot of arguing going on in this house. He treated her like trash. And yes, your posts do suggest putting blame in michelles court, youll never twist it that way for anyone but yourself. You have the right to that opinion, but hope you dont have daughters, theyd be ashamed.

[jerzeegirl]

No evidence Michelle was an abused wife.

oh there is plenty of evidence that michelle was mentally abused, which is definitely a form of abuse. Ask anyone who has been thru it. So much evidence there, so clear.

[5swab5]

(snipped)
Where did Michelle go that she couldn't let Jason finish yard work and instead left him to deal with both the yard work and a two-year-old, an impossible task? She knew it and apologized for it.

An impossible task? LOL! Geeze, I knew Jason was a slacker, but I had no idea he was so inept. MOO

[Tia]

An impossible task? LOL! Geeze, I knew Jason was a slacker, but I had no idea he was so inept. MOO


So, am I understanding this right?

According to the posts I see here, Michelle should not have left poor poor Jason to manage a toddler and get yard work done? The NERVE of her to go to work and expect anything from the all-mighty Jason!!!

Amazing what I could manage to get done with TWO children both under 5 at one time..........he easily could have put her in her play-pen on the deck and did what he needed to do. What I think is that he was angry because he was stuck with Cassidy and JASON couldn't do what JASON wanted to do. Michelle had to kiss his butt because he made her feel like SHE put HIM out by taking some time to care for THEIR daughter.

What a creep.

Again, I would never be surprised to find out he attempted to murder Cassidy as well that night with the adult meds.

JMO

[5swab5]

(snipped) I wonder what she was doing that was testing his patience?


You have got to be kidding me, how much lower can one go, than blaming the victim?

I don't care what Michelle did/said to Jason, IF he was ever even around, instead of off with one of his little pieces of fluff. She did not deserve to die!

What I do care about is victim bashing. Michelle and Rylan were victims of a violent crime and as such, they deserve every consideration and protection that unfortunate title affords them. MOO

It has always been my understanding that bashing victims was STRICTLY against TOS @ IS. Has the policy changed?

[alterEgo©]

I think she was probably on the verge when Jason killed her & Ryland. In fact that may have been what sent him over the edge.
JMO
I thought the child she was carrying was to be named 'Rylan'.

[alterEgo©]

She said "I know you are mad and I am really sorry. I know you have been doing a lot around the house with Cass and I really appreciate it. I have just been really busy at work and I thought this is a slack time for you with your job so you could handle it.

He could have been or maybe not, employed at the time.

I have just been really busy at work and I thought this is a slack time for you with your job so you could handle it

That to me indicates he was either unemployed, on vacation, or had enough "down time" to do the yard work.
JMOHow in the world do you twist 'with your job' into 'unemployed'?

[alterEgo©]

No evidence Michelle was an abused wife.
Having yelling fights with your spouse and being cheated on equates to being abused now.

:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Having yelling fights with your spouse and being cheated on equates to being abused now.

:rolleyes:

Combined with terrorizing someone by punching holes in walls, ripping doors off the hinges, telling them that you are going to kill them. Yep, I'd call that abuse every day of the week.

Quite the temper displayed in these short little excerpts. Michelle was living in a very hostile environment. She had to have been walking on egg shells. Jason was a time bomb, just waiting to go off. MOO

I am in a mood that makes our trip to Myrtle seem mild, pray the beer kicks in.

I could kill u for not letting me finish the yard this morning.

I don't care who gets her(Cassidy)

[alterEgo©]

Perhaps it was considered unnecessary? Or perhaps, as the police had never been called, it would not fly.

I'm basing my opinion on the information from the latest search warrants (witnesses do have to swear their testimony is the truth, you know), and information garnered from Women's Shelters and this site:

http://www.ndvh.org/get-educated/what-is-domestic-violence/
People who give statements to the police don't have to swear them out.

Well gee, it wasn't alleged in the WDS or in the custody complaint. And it sure wasn't used at any time in the 2 years between the murder and the filing of the WDS to try to get custody of Cassidy.

Michelle wasn't an abused woman. She had a jerk for a husband tho.

[alterEgo©]

When my significant other was unemployed, we'd refer to his tasks Id ask for him to do as "jobs". What Michelle said really isnt definitive, if he really was employed, was having a down time, a vacation day, who knows... Im sure LE will eventually reveal to us dates of his employment and dates of the emails so we'll know for sure. But yes, I stand by my suggestion that he might have been unemployed at the time. :rolleyes:
JMOWhat you said to your SO isn't in the SW.

It sure is definitive, she said 'slack time for you with your job'. No need to twist that into him not being employed at the time. :rolleyes:

ETA: the warrant states the email in question was dated July 12, 2006

[alterEgo©]

Yes she was. Its your opinion she was not. Its my opinion she was.
JMO
Oh well, she yelled at Jason in their fights so I guess that makes him abused too. :rolleyes:

[5swab5]

I dont think policy has changed, but that doesnt stop the nasty insinuations. Meredith has often and frequently been bashed as well.
JMO

Oh, I agree. I don't think that is right either.

The difference is that Michelle and Rylan cannot stand up for themselves, Meredith can always get an attorney and pursue a remedy in court. MOO

[Tia]

Combined with terrorizing someone by punching holes in walls, ripping doors off the hinges, telling them that you are going to kill them. Yep, I'd call that abuse every day of the week.

Quite the temper displayed in these short little excerpts. Michelle was living in a very hostile environment. She had to have been walking on egg shells. Jason was a time bomb, just waiting to go off. MOO

I am in a mood that makes our trip to Myrtle seem mild, pray the beer kicks in.

I could kill u for not letting me finish the yard this morning.

I don't care who gets her(Cassidy)


He was a mental and verbal abuser IMO. I have never been spoken to that way in any relationship I have had from dating until I got married. Maybe this is the norm for some, not me.

I would find it unacceptable to speak to another human being that way. Its funny, I've noticed those who are posting that its AOKAY for Jason to talk to Michelle like she were complete trash, are the ones who talk to others the here like they are complete trash. Maybe its a whole different world that I am completely unaware of???

[5swab5]

What you said to your SO isn't in the SW.

It sure is definitive, she said 'slack time for you with your job'. No need to twist that into him not being employed at the time. :rolleyes:

ETA: the warrant states the email in question was dated July 12, 2006

I have no doubt that Michelle had to parse words with Jason. Perhaps the mention of the word unemployed sent him into a rage. After all if he was jobless, he couldn't be chasing all the skirts on Company time...that probably made him irritable. MOO

[tiny paw-prints]

I'm re-reading Catherine Crier's book "A Deadly Game" -- about the Peterson case. Scott Peterson and Jason Young have several behavioral characteristics in common. Very scarey.

[tiny paw-prints]

Hi Aggie! On the other thread, thanks for replying to my inquiry about Michelle's appt/mtg! I agree with you, I also remember that she met someone for lunch after the appt/mtg. I wonder what the "mood" was during that luncheon?

[Stellagant]

You have got to be kidding me, how much lower can one go, than blaming the victim?

I don't care what Michelle did/said to Jason, IF he was ever even around, instead of off with one of his little pieces of fluff. She did not deserve to die!

What I do care about is victim bashing. Michelle and Rylan were victims of a violent crime and as such, they deserve every consideration and protection that unfortunate title affords them. MOO

It has always been my understanding that bashing victims was STRICTLY against TOS @ IS. Has the policy changed?

Why are you accusing me of victim bashing? I certainly never said Michelle deserved to die.

[achristie]

Hi Aggie! On the other thread, thanks for replying to my inquiry about Michelle's appt/mtg! I agree with you, I also remember that she met someone for lunch after the appt/mtg. I wonder what the "mood" was during that luncheon?

Hey, Tiny, nice to see you. Can you believe the latest? If nothing else, this guy is a wimp and a bully. Those emails to his wife made me cringe. He speaks of CY " the so-called center of his universe" like she's an unwanted puppy. Yes, the "mood" at the luncheon should be interesting. I'm getting the sense that MY kept much to herself, though. You know how you go through life having a problem but not taking that big leap to acknowledge it? Once you make that leap, it becomes "real" and you can't renege? This poor girl was so young. She had one child and another on the way. I think she was on the cusp of the "big leap". All this talk of how they fought for hours and how she was as much to blame? How dare them ! She may have fought, but in the end , he won the battle, didn't he?

MOO Aggie

[jerzeegirl]

Oh well, she yelled at Jason in their fights so I guess that makes him abused too. :rolleyes:


yelling at someone does not make abuse, in public yes. Humiliating someone is abuse. Cheating is mental abuse. Telling someone you could kill them is abuse. Abusers induce fear and ridicule and humilation, i believe he has doled out all three.

I didnt see the part in the sw where it says that she yelled at him in public, cheated, threatened him, punched holes in walls or embarrassed him in public. Please show me where it says this.

[Cardinal]

Because Michelle was a voluntary participant is my guess. Even the acquaintance who told LE the relationship was volatile also admitted Michelle never told her Jason was abusive.

That search warrant portrays a side of Michelle never before seen and reminds me of the picture of Nancy Cooper that emerged. Arguments that lasted for hours and often in front of friends. Who else did she argue with? I doubt Michelle's anger was restricted to only Jason. I'd like to know how she and Meredith got along. How well did she get along with co-workers? It opens possibilities that a confrontation with someone other than Jason led up to her murder.

Where did Michelle go that she couldn't let Jason finish yard work and instead left him to deal with both the yard work and a two-year-old, an impossible task? She knew it and apologized for it.

Poor Jason. A wife who argued back, a daughter who needed her clothes changed...and being expected to do the yard work while his pregnant wife worked long hours to pay the bills. You gotta feel for the guy, right? I mean, couldn't Michelle have done the yard work after she got home? Jason had important things to do - with women who couldn't be bothered to collect all of their undergarments before slinking out of Michelle's bed. :rolleyes:

[jerzeegirl]

Poor Jason. A wife who argued back, a daughter who needed her clothes changed...and being expected to do the yard work while his pregnant wife worked long hours to pay the bills. You gotta feel for the guy, right? I mean, couldn't Michelle have done the yard work after she got home? Jason had important things to do - with women who couldn't be bothered to collect all of their undergarments before slinking out of Michelle's bed. :rolleyes:


Took the words right outta my mouth Card. He treated her like garbage. Whether he was employed on not, obviously he was off that day. Michelle and Cassidy were a burden to him. He couldnt even stay faithful to her. His temper was dangerous to Michelle and Cassidy. My BIL is so much like JY, believe me, its not fun being around him and his wife. Sure he can be life of the party and a great guy, dont cross him though.

[Cardinal]

Took the words right outta my mouth Card. He treated her like garbage. Whether he was employed on not, obviously he was off that day. Michelle and Cassidy were a burden to him. He couldnt even stay faithful to her. His temper was dangerous to Michelle and Cassidy. My BIL is so much like JY, believe me, its not fun being around him and his wife. Sure he can be life of the party and a great guy, dont cross him though.

The panties in the bed make me furious, jerzee. Cheating on your spouse is unforgiveable enough, but flaunting it in Michelle's face that way just steams me. I don't wonder so much now what was in the therapist's notes.

[jerzeegirl]

The panties in the bed make me furious, jerzee. Cheating on your spouse is unforgiveable enough, but flaunting it in Michelle's face that way just steams me. I don't wonder so much now what was in the therapist's notes.

I dont wonder anymore either, the timeline fits. Michelle Money first week of October, Michelle goes to NY and Sowerby stays at the house with Jason end of October, Michelle seeks therapy when she returns to NC, November 4th Michelle is murdered.

I really would love to hear what the GA friend has to say about that night. Jasons demeanor, Michelles demeanor, etc.

[Cardinal]

I dont wonder anymore either, the timeline fits. Michelle Money first week of October, Michelle goes to NY and Sowerby stays at the house with Jason end of October, Michelle seeks therapy when she returns to NC, November 4th Michelle is murdered.

I really would love to hear what the GA friend has to say about that night. Jasons demeanor, Michelles demeanor, etc.

I've thought about that, but I don't know that Michelle would have revealed much to the GA friend. A woman with a lot of pride, as I believe Michelle to have been, would be very selective about sharing her problems. My guess is that LE got most of its leads about Jason's degrading behavior toward Michelle from the therapist's notes. And that caused them to ask very specific questions of Jason's/Michelle's friends.

And before anyone challenges my use of the word "degrading", I got that word from the custody suit.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I've had a chance to look at the latest SWs more closely, and something caught my attention that I haven't seen mentioned.

From the googlemail SW: "According to members of the Young family, the victim's husband, Jason Young was informed of his wife's death on the evening of November 3rd, 2009. This supposedly occurred upon his arrival at his mother's home in Brevard, NC." [emphasis added]

Supposedly?? What does LE know that would suddenly cause them to include the word "supposedly"?

[Cardinal]

JMO the notes will only likely confirm everything, that she was suspecting the cheating, his mental abuse of her (with stuff like the panties), etc. I also think we'll find a few surprises in the notes though, after all LE hasn't revealed all their evidence.
JMO

I think so, too, awareness. I've noticed a pattern with the recent SWs. Each one seems to include a bit more information that hasn't previously been included. And since I don't believe they would reveal all of their information in any of the SWs, I wonder what else they know.

[jerzeegirl]

I've had a chance to look at the latest SWs more closely, and something caught my attention that I haven't seen mentioned.

From the googlemail SW: "According to members of the Young family, the victim's husband, Jason Young was informed of his wife's death on the evening of November 3rd, 2009. This supposedly occurred upon his arrival at his mother's home in Brevard, NC." [emphasis added]

Supposedly?? What does LE know that would suddenly cause them to include the word "supposedly"?

could be lindas voice mails to jason and LE has Jasons cell records to maybe prove he checked his voice mail.

Or, they could be saying supposedly because they believe HE killed her so how could he find out at his mothers if he already knew.

[jerzeegirl]

I've had a chance to look at the latest SWs more closely, and something caught my attention that I haven't seen mentioned.

From the googlemail SW: "According to members of the Young family, the victim's husband, Jason Young was informed of his wife's death on the evening of November 3rd, 2009. This supposedly occurred upon his arrival at his mother's home in Brevard, NC." [emphasis added]

Supposedly?? What does LE know that would suddenly cause them to include the word "supposedly"?

it could be the fact that he spoke with his mother twenty eight times that day. Maybe LE believes Jason was told by his mother on the way to brevard and that it wouldnt look good if he didnt turn around and go straight back to raleigh. So the family and Jason maybe thought of this while on the way back to raleigh.

[5swab5]

Why are you accusing me of victim bashing? I certainly never said Michelle deserved to die.

I consider several of your posts today to be bashing Michelle. It sickens me for a dead pregnant mother to be attacked in order to try and make her court declared slayer husband look better.

You try to blame Michelle for not lying down like a dog when Jason argues and yells at her.

It's Michelle's fault that Jason had to take care of the yard and Cassidy, "an impossible task"...excuse me...did he have two broken legs or something that I am not aware of?

And you want to know what Michelle was doing to make poor Jason lose his patience. WAH, WAH, WAH!

Unbelievable that in spite of everything that we do know and tons that we do not, that Jason still has supporters willing to attack the dead for his sake. MOO

[Cardinal]

could be lindas voice mails to jason and LE has Jasons cell records to maybe prove he checked his voice mail.

Or, they could be saying supposedly because they believe HE killed her so how could he find out at his mothers if he already knew.

I don't know. I just found it strange that word would suddenly be added to the narrative.

[Cardinal]

Well it seems Jason MAY have been unemployed during that email exchange. He separated from Sentric Medical 7/06 and started at ChartOne 8/06. Wonder what the exact date is. Guess we'll find out after he's arrested at trial. Whatever the case, Michelle clearly thought he had enough down time to do the yard work. Maybe he was employed still at that time, but the job was clearly coming to an end so he had more down time than working time.
JMO

Regardless of his employment dates, why would it be questioned that Jason was to do the yard work? I do the "inside" work - cleaning, laundry, etc. (not to mention grocery shopping, dry cleaning...) and DH does the "outside" work. I imagine it's that way in the vast majority of marriages.

So I'm astounded that there would be any question about Jason doing the yard work. And I'm more astounded that he would make it an issue around the care of his daughter. Never mind that he made it a killing offense.

JMO

[jerzeegirl]

Regardless of his employment dates, why would it be questioned that Jason was to do the yard work? I do the "inside" work - cleaning, laundry, etc. (not to mention grocery shopping, dry cleaning...) and DH does the "outside" work. I imagine it's that way in the vast majority of marriages.

So I'm astounded that there would be any question about Jason doing the yard work. And I'm more astounded that he would make it an issue around the care of his daughter. Never mind that he made it a killing offense.

JMO


Yeah what a man, his wife is pregnant, working her butt off and poor jasons at the pool with his beer and his daughter. Oh and dont forget, Michelle better hope the beer kicks in. Such threats in that email.

[Cardinal]

Yeah what a man, his wife is pregnant, working her butt off and poor jasons at the pool with his beer and his daughter. Oh and dont forget, Michelle better hope the beer kicks in. Such threats in that email.

Really disturbing, IMO. I have to wonder what caused Cassidy to wet herself that day. I have to wonder if Jason went into a rage when he got her home, the power was off and his plans were messed up - and that caused the potty training accident. That poor baby.

And does anyone know what the reference to the Myrtle Beach trip is about?

[jerzeegirl]

And does anyone know what the reference to the Myrtle Beach trip is about?



who knows, but i do know that whatever happened, it probably wasnt pretty. I do remember a so called rumor about them being away somewhere and one locking the other out of a hotel room because they were fighting, i dont know if that coincides with the myrtle story. But someone close to jason also stated at one time that Jason took Michelle away for a weekend after she miscarried, so it could be during that time.

[Cardinal]

who knows, but i do know that whatever happened, it probably wasnt pretty. I do remember a so called rumor about them being away somewhere and one locking the other out of a hotel room because they were fighting, i dont know if that coincides with the myrtle story. But someone close to jason also stated at one time that Jason took Michelle away for a weekend after she miscarried, so it could be during that time.

Well, whatever it was, I can just imagine what Michelle felt after receiving that email. All she was asking, IMO, was that Jason be a grownup and share some of the responsibility while she was paying the bills. Guess he wasn't up to it.

[gbmy]

There is nothing wrong with being wrong...........
I will never regret giving Jason the benefit of the doubt until the very end, until those handcuffs go on and his rights are read.
If and when that happens.

Kat
Good point Kat. And, if they end up arresting someone else, you'll feel very good about having given him the benefit of the doubt vs. speaking/writing bad things about him that assume he's a murderer before he's even arrested. Bless you.

[Cardinal]

Who are the them you are talking about? Are you talking about the people that think for themselves and don't parrot every word you say? You are so used to a forum where all minds think alike . this is a different forum. Here we are free to think for ourselves without fear of reprisal.

Yes, we are, confused. So tell me, what do you think about a man who says he could kill his wife over the yard work while he's been cheating on her at every opportunity? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Cardinal]

Good point Kat. And, if they end up arresting someone else, you'll feel very good about having given him the benefit of the doubt vs. speaking/writing bad things about him that assume he's a murderer before he's even arrested. Bless you.

Thou shalt not commit adultery. Remember that one?

[Cardinal]

Why do you keep trying to say MF is the victim here? MY was the victim MF is her sister. You can say whatever you want about JY and he was MY's next of kin but let us say anything about MF and you are on us. Try and pull yourself together. Jason Young hasn't been arrested and convicted of killing his wife and until that happens I am free to think MF did the killing. I think if the police would do a little searching of MF's belongings they might find the stolen items. Wonder what CY id going to think when she grows up and finds the things missing from mommies room with Auntie M.

Next of kin? How is that relevant?

[Stellagant]

I consider several of your posts today to be bashing Michelle. It sickens me for a dead pregnant mother to be attacked in order to try and make her court declared slayer husband look better.

You try to blame Michelle for not lying down like a dog when Jason argues and yells at her.

It's Michelle's fault that Jason had to take care of the yard and Cassidy, "an impossible task"...excuse me...did he have two broken legs or something that I am not aware of?

And you want to know what Michelle was doing to make poor Jason lose his patience. WAH, WAH, WAH!

Unbelievable that in spite of everything that we do know and tons that we do not, that Jason still has supporters willing to attack the dead for his sake. MOO

This is the second time you've intentionally misrepresented my posts.
:no:

[Cardinal]

I don't know if I have ever said I could kill my wife but I know for a fact she has said that to me. A lot more than once. I have no fear of her ever doing it but who knows. I don't think he said it over doing the work it seems she had him do something else and he was unable to finish the yard. Wasn't it "i could kill u for not letting me finish " Sounds a little like she may have carried the whip in that family. My wife carries it in our marriage , also.

If your "wife" has said that to you, I respectfully suggest the two of you seek counseling. That is very much the extreme, IMO.

As for a whip, that isn't what killed Michelle. THAT was a blunt object.

You can justify the latest revelations however you please. What they tell me is that, whether or not he killed Michelle, Jason Young was a lousy father and a worse husband.

And Michelle deserved better.

JMO

[Jester]

From some of the things we have hear I think JY was hoping she would leave him. Sounds like he was the one about finished with the marriage. Sometimes women get pregnant to get a man to marry them sometimes women get pregnant to try and keep a man. I'm not so sure but what this wasn't what MY did . Why she wanted to hang onto a man that obviously didn't want her I can't begin to figure out.

Your comment about a women getting pregnant to get a man is interesting. How do women do that? I was always of the opinion that a man gets a woman pregnant. Why did Jason get Michelle pregnant, and want to hang on to her, when he wasn't interested in the marriage or helping with children?

[Stellagant]

I don't know if I have ever said I could kill my wife but I know for a fact she has said that to me. A lot more than once. I have no fear of her ever doing it but who knows. I don't think he said it over doing the work it seems she had him do something else and he was unable to finish the yard. Wasn't it "i could kill u for not letting me finish " Sounds a little like she may have carried the whip in that family. My wife carries it in our marriage , also.

A point I do find strange is that Michelle emailed Jason and asked him who was picking up CY. A phone call would have been faster than an exchange of emails.

[Stellagant]

I don't think for a minute she got rid of it. She wouldn't have taken it if she intended to get rid of it. I think she wanted it she took it and she still has it. IMO

A desire to keep some of the more unique items might have changed after LE released a list in the search warrant. LE waited way to long to look for it.

[Stellagant]

Several parents I know email their spouses during the day, nothing unusual about it JMO.

Jason didn't have a job that tied him to a computer all day. :rolleyes:

[Jester]

Takes two to argue.

What are you suggesting? We've read the search warrants and understand that Jason has a bad temper, lacks self control, threatens tantrums, tells Michelle he could kill her, and you're saying it takes two to argue?

[Leanne Weich]

Several parents I know email their spouses during the day, nothing unusual about it JMO.

Maybe picking up and dropping Cassidy off was a point of contention between them. I know if I need to ask DH something about a contentious issue and don't feel like doing the 20 ? thing, I email him to avoid getting into it.

[Jester]

No evidence Michelle was an abused wife.

I didn't realize it was normal for a man to frequently swear at his wife, and claim he could kill her. Most consider that to be abusive behavior, but I suppose we all have different standards.

[achristie]

What are you suggesting? We've read the search warrants and understand that Jason has a bad temper, lacks self control, threatens tantrums, tells Michelle he could kill her, and you're saying it takes two to argue?

I hope she did argue. Based on the bloody crime scene , I'd say she battled him until her last breath. Too bad he won.

MOO Aggie

[Jester]

Mentally abusive - yes.

:rolleyes:

There is no question that Jason is psychologically abusive, confirmed by the recent search warrants.

[gbmy]

Thou shalt not commit adultery. Remember that one?
Yes, it's one of the 10 commandments. And, if the circumstantial evidence in the SWs is true, which appears likely, then he would have committed this grave sin. Having been married 20 years (and yes, just once!), I find this sickening.

Thou shalt not kill is another commandment. Kat has chosen to not assume that he's committed this ultimate sin before he's arrested, let along found guilty by a jury. I am, and have always been, in that same camp. This doesn't mean we don't recognize that many of the things coming out about JY are reprehensible because they are.

[Stellagant]

Your comment about a women getting pregnant to get a man is interesting. How do women do that? I was always of the opinion that a man gets a woman pregnant. Why did Jason get Michelle pregnant, and want to hang on to her, when he wasn't interested in the marriage or helping with children?

Women who desperately want children will lie to reach their goal.

Why did Michelle want marriage with Jason to begin with? She could have remained an unwed mother. If Jason was the abusive, unemployed loser you portray him to be, why would Michelle want to get married, stay married and have two more children with him?

[Stellagant]

I didn't realize it was normal for a man to frequently swear at his wife, and claim he could kill her. Most consider that to be abusive behavior, but I suppose we all have different standards.

In this case, the wife was an active participant in the arguments.

[Jester]

Women who desperately want children will lie to reach their goal.

Why did Michelle want marriage with Jason to begin with? She could have remained an unwed mother. If Jason was the abusive, unemployed loser you portray him to be, why would Michelle want to get married, stay married and have two more children with him?

Jason wanted the marriage. Jason wanted children. Neither could have happened without his free will. Clearly, things changed during the marriage. I fail to understand why you assume circumstances at the end of the marriage were no different from circumstances at the beginning of the marriage.

[Jester]

In this case, the wife was an active participant in the arguments.

It has been reported that she fought hard for her life. She lost that argument.

[Cardinal]

Yes, it's one of the 10 commandments. And, if the circumstantial evidence in the SWs is true, which appears likely, then he would have committed this grave sin. Having been married 20 years (and yes, just once!), I find this sickening.

Thou shalt not kill is another commandment. Kat has chosen to not assume that he's committed this ultimate sin before he's arrested, let along found guilty by a jury. I am, and have always been, in that same camp. This doesn't mean we don't recognize that many of the things coming out about JY are reprehensible because they are.

Fine. I can respect that response. I too can make a distinction between adultery and murder. But I also recognize that a husband who completely disrespects his marital vows cannot be given the same benefit of the doubt as a husband who cherishes them.

JMO

[Stellagant]

What are you suggesting? We've read the search warrants and understand that Jason has a bad temper, lacks self control, threatens tantrums, tells Michelle he could kill her, and you're saying it takes two to argue?

No, the search warrant does NOT say Jason has a bad temper or lacks self-control. It must be frustrating to you that all of your never-ending embellishments haven't managed to get Jason arrested.

Yes, it takes two to argue.

[Stellagant]

Jason wanted the marriage. Jason wanted children. Neither could have happened without his free will. Clearly, things changed during the marriage. I fail to understand why you assume circumstances at the end of the marriage were no different from circumstances at the beginning of the marriage.

Jason couldn't force Michelle to get pregnant, he couldn't force Michelle to get married, stay married, get pregnant two more times. I fail to understand why you can't grasp the concept of Michelle's right of "choice."

[gbmy]

Fine. I can respect that response. I too can make a distinction between adultery and murder. But I also recognize that a husband who completely disrespects his marital vows cannot be given the same benefit of the doubt as a husband who cherishes them.

JMO
I agree. Every s/w that comes out paints a worse and worse picture of JY's character.....as a husband, father, son, and person. The more bad things we hear, the harder it is give him the benefit of the doubt. And, clearly as another poster pointed out, the civil judgement against him was a legal statement saying that there was a >50% chance that he killed Michelle......well, that poster phrased this in a 'stronger' manner!

[Stellagant]

Yes, it's one of the 10 commandments. And, if the circumstantial evidence in the SWs is true, which appears likely, then he would have committed this grave sin. Having been married 20 years (and yes, just once!), I find this sickening.

Thou shalt not kill is another commandment. Kat has chosen to not assume that he's committed this ultimate sin before he's arrested, let along found guilty by a jury. I am, and have always been, in that same camp. This doesn't mean we don't recognize that many of the things coming out about JY are reprehensible because they are.

Didn't Michelle parents divorce when she was a teenager? Maybe Michelle was more forgiving of grave sins for that reason than those of us who never experienced it would be?

[Jester]

No, the search warrant does NOT say Jason has a bad temper or lacks self-control. It must be frustrating to you that all of your never-ending embellishments haven't managed to get Jason arrested.

Yes, it takes two to argue.

I read an affidavit where it was stated that Jason urinated in someone's house during a party. Wouldn't you consider that an example of lacking self control? Maybe he merely suffers bad manners.

Putting holes in walls and damaging a door is an example of a bad temper in my books. Maybe he didn't know his own strength.

My take on it is: lacks self-control, and has a bad temper.

[Stellagant]

It has been reported that she fought hard for her life. She lost that argument.

We still don't know who that argument happened to be with.

[Jester]

Jason couldn't force Michelle to get pregnant, he couldn't force Michelle to get married, stay married, get pregnant two more times. I fail to understand why you can't grasp the concept of Michelle's right of "choice."

I fully comprehend Michelle's choice. I also fully comprehend Jason's choice. He chose to get married, and to have children. Michelle did not get married and pregnant all by herself.

[Jester]

We still don't know who that argument happened to be with.

I'm willing to go along with the police, and assume the argument was with the prime suspect.

[Jester]

Didn't Michelle parents divorce when she was a teenager? Maybe Michelle was more forgiving of grave sins for that reason than those of us who never experienced it would be?

I see no reason to bring Michelle's family into this discussion.

[Cardinal]

I agree. Every s/w that comes out paints a worse and worse picture of JY's character.....as a husband, father, son, and person. The more bad things we hear, the harder it is give him the benefit of the doubt. And, clearly as another poster pointed out, the civil judgement against him was a legal statement saying that there was a >50% chance that he killed Michelle......well, that poster phrased this in a 'stronger' manner!

It WAS phrased much stronger than that, wasn't it? :) And, honestly, at this point, I'm close to that phrasing myself.

At this point, I am having real difficulty in making the distinctions that objectivity requires. See, I think Michelle Young was an extraordinary woman, so I'm having trouble with the fact that her husband completely disrespected that.

Goodnight :seeya:

[Stellagant]

I read an affidavit where it was stated that Jason urinated in someone's house during a party. Wouldn't you consider that an example of lacking self control? Maybe he merely suffers bad manners.

Putting holes in walls and damaging a door is an example of a bad temper in my books. Maybe he didn't know his own strength.

My take on it is: lacks self-control, and has a bad temper.

No you didn't read that in an affidavit, you read it as an allegation in the custody claim. Since that claim was settled even before Jason responded and no psych evaluation was pursued, it's just an allegation.

I don't know if Jason did put holes in walls or damaged a door. The friends who spoke to LE would only characterize what they witnessed as arguments.

[Stellagant]

I see no reason to bring Michelle's family into this discussion.

feel free to scroll on by....

[Stellagant]

I fully comprehend Michelle's choice. I also fully comprehend Jason's choice. He chose to get married, and to have children. Michelle did not get married and pregnant all by herself.

Nobody forced Michelle to get pregnant, get married, stay married and get pregnant two more times. Nobody forced her to spend hours in arguments with her husband. Who else did Michelle argue with? Did she spend hours arguing with her sister? Her mother? Her co-workers?

[Stellagant]

Ok I told my wife we needed counseling and she said she was going to kill me If I didn't get off the computer. she said if I wanted to talk to the girls she was one. So good night all.

good night!

[Stellagant]

I'm willing to go along with the police, and assume the argument was with the prime suspect.

You know what they say about those who "assume."

Assumptions aren't evidence and could explain why they haven't managed an arrest.

[Doorbell]

No evidence Michelle was an abused wife.

Stella. Per the search warrants, and per the National Domestic Violence Website:

http://www.ndvh.org/get-educated/what-is-domestic-violence/

Michelle was abused.

Punching walls and ripping down doors is abuse.

Saying things like "I could just kill u" is abuse.

Just because there are no police reports of physical abuse does not mean there was no psychological, and emotional abuse.

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So, am I understanding this right?

According to the posts I see here, Michelle should not have left poor poor Jason to manage a toddler and get yard work done? The NERVE of her to go to work and expect anything from the all-mighty Jason!!!

Amazing what I could manage to get done with TWO children both under 5 at one time..........he easily could have put her in her play-pen on the deck and did what he needed to do. What I think is that he was angry because he was stuck with Cassidy and JASON couldn't do what JASON wanted to do. Michelle had to kiss his butt because he made her feel like SHE put HIM out by taking some time to care for THEIR daughter.

What a creep.

Again, I would never be surprised to find out he attempted to murder Cassidy as well that night with the adult meds.

JMO

If he was weeding or watering, he could have had her "help," and made an adventure of it. Quality time. If he was mowing, the playpen is a perfect solution. She was probably a bit big for a backpack by then.

A parent that wants to get the job done finds a way.

IMO

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What you said to your SO isn't in the SW.

It sure is definitive, she said 'slack time for you with your job'. No need to twist that into him not being employed at the time. :rolleyes:

ETA: the warrant states the email in question was dated July 12, 2006

His job at Sentric ended in July of 06, though I don't know the exact date.

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Oh well, she yelled at Jason in their fights so I guess that makes him abused too. :rolleyes:

I have not heard that Michelle ripped doors off and displayed temper in other frightening ways.

Do you not realize that frightening somebody is abuse?

IMO

[Tia]

If he was weeding or watering, he could have had her "help," and made an adventure of it. Quality time. If he was mowing, the playpen is a perfect solution. She was probably a bit big for a backpack by then.

A parent that wants to get the job done finds a way.

IMO


Thats a good point about the "help". I loved my little one's to "help" me when I did yard work. Its amazing the things they learned and remember from those times together. My husband used to put our little son in his playpen while he worked on the car and talked to him all the while. He would give him some play "tools" and sometimes he would "help" daddy. Had he ever referred to a potty accident with our daugher as "_____ pizzed all over the floor", I think I would have fallen over in shock! He loved his little girl and never would have said anything so classless about a potty accident.

JY, IMO, was self centered and cared nothing for anyone by himself. He treated his family like garbage and its not a huge leap to take, based on the way he verbally assualted Michelle, and mentally abused her, that he was more than capable of murdering her.


JMO

[Tia]

Nobody forced Michelle to get pregnant, get married, stay married and get pregnant two more times. Nobody forced her to spend hours in arguments with her husband. Who else did Michelle argue with? Did she spend hours arguing with her sister? Her mother? Her co-workers?


I can't believe you would post something like this.

What if she argued with EVERYONE she came in contact with? Why did Jason stay then? Why didn't he divorce her? Why did he bring women into the marriage bed rather then just leave her and do what he wanted?

JMO

[Tia]

Jason couldn't force Michelle to get pregnant, he couldn't force Michelle to get married, stay married, get pregnant two more times. I fail to understand why you can't grasp the concept of Michelle's right of "choice."


Based on what I have read about Jason Young, I bet he could "force" all of the things you have listed. He was a bully and bullied Michelle into getting his own way and what HE wanted. She had the right, but as many abused women know, she may have been terrified to leave him, maybe the "I could kill u's" happened more often that we know and she was just plain afraid of him.


Maybe that is why she sought therapy?


JMO

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A point I do find strange is that Michelle emailed Jason and asked him who was picking up CY. A phone call would have been faster than an exchange of emails.

Maybe he wasn't answering his phone.

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Jason didn't have a job that tied him to a computer all day. :rolleyes:

Gee. I get email on my phone. I can even read it while doing yard work. Ain't technology grand?

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Women who desperately want children will lie to reach their goal.

Why did Michelle want marriage with Jason to begin with? She could have remained an unwed mother. If Jason was the abusive, unemployed loser you portray him to be, why would Michelle want to get married, stay married and have two more children with him?

Maybe she didn't want to be an "unwed mother." Maybe she wanted a family. Maybe he didn't reveal the inner Jason--the one who curses yard work, punches walls and rips doors off in a fit of rage--until after they were married.

And, she didn't exactly get to have those "two more children," did she?

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No, the search warrant does NOT say Jason has a bad temper or lacks self-control. It must be frustrating to you that all of your never-ending embellishments haven't managed to get Jason arrested.

Yes, it takes two to argue.


Stella. Are you saying that punching holes in walls and ripping a door off its hinges does not indicate a bad temper and lack of control?