Michelle Fisher Young 3-11-2009 [Archive] - Page 4

Tia

03-17-2009, 12:07 AM

Considering that it was a video of MICHELLE and Cassidy, it had to be made before Michelle's death.

Showing it in court is hardly "shopping it around." It has been on the news sites before this. Get over it.

Let us know how Jason will pay the $15,000,000 bill. TIA.

If Jason would re-marry, would his new wife be in any way responsible for the bill? Or would she just have to support him as all of his earnings would go to Linda?

trucrime

03-17-2009, 01:11 AM

Spivey and officials in the sheriff's office apparently are not on the same page. Officials said Jason is not a suspect.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1565/story/1445471.html

More like the AP isnt on the same page with every other news source. They failed to recognize he was named the primary suspect in the latest released SW's. IMO.

5swab5

03-17-2009, 08:02 AM

Considering that it was a video of MICHELLE and Cassidy, it had to be made before Michelle's death. (respectfully snipped)

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. The desperation that would cause someone to suggest that someone somehow got a video of Michelle and Cassidy post murder. I just don't know what to think.

Thanks for setting KB straight DoorBell, it is a tiresome and thankless job. MOO

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 09:24 AM

Spivey and officials in the sheriff's office apparently are not on the same page. Officials said Jason is not a suspect.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1565/story/1445471.html

Or maybe the N&O printed misinformation:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4745442/

"No one has been charged in the slaying, but Jason Young has been named a suspect in the case."

Jester

03-17-2009, 09:53 AM

$15.6 million? That's the value the judge put on this young pregnant mother's life? What an insult! Hardly enough to build a mile of highway. Anything under $100 million would be an insult. Really. Anyone who deigns to put a monetary value on a life should....well, you get the idea. The judge was far too cheap.

If Michelle was a highway builder, then I suppose the judge would have considered the cost of building highways when awarding the wrongful death settlement. As it was, she was a mother, a wife, a financial analyst, and a woman with a promising future for her children and herself - with or without Jason in her life. I don't think the value of her life can be translated into dollars, but the point has been made that even if Jason worked for five lifetimes, he would not have the value that Michelle may have had in one lifetime.

Do you think Jason will be a stand up guy, hit the pavement, and settle his debts, or will he look for the silent, easy way out?

Jester

03-17-2009, 09:56 AM

Premeditated? Is he serious? Jason's computer search proved that? He researched how to beat someone to death? He decided that was the best way to kill his wife? And then had to chase her around the small bedroom, spraying blood everywhere?

I think Investigator Spivey should have another scenario in mind just in case that one doesn't work out.

His comments yesterday are consistent with what has been said from the beginning. There was a prolonged fight, it was a brutal murder scene, there were small footprints, blood spatter was on the walls, and so on. What other scenario do you have in mind?

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 10:00 AM

Or maybe the N&O printed misinformation:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4745442/

"No one has been charged in the slaying, but Jason Young has been named a suspect in the case."

Looks like the N&O printed a more accurate account:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1445988.html

Tia

03-17-2009, 10:04 AM

What a cold-hearted joke. A PREGNANT woman lost her life! And her unborn son! IMO.

ITA, very cold hearted, even more so after hearing the details of how Michelle was chased around her bedroom and beaten about the head until she died.

Tia

03-17-2009, 10:07 AM

Looks like the N&O printed a more accurate account:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1445988.html

Good! Glad they got their facts straight!!

jerzeegirl

03-17-2009, 10:07 AM

In addition to the judgment, Jason Young may face arrest for his wife's death, a Wake County detective said.

"When the law enforcement side and the district attorney's side are more satisfied that we've gotten everything we're going to get, I'm sure there'll be an indictment" against Jason Young, Wake County Detective R.C. Spivey III said after Monday's hearing.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1445988.html

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 10:09 AM

If Michelle was a highway builder, then I suppose the judge would have considered the cost of building highways when awarding the wrongful death settlement. As it was, she was a mother, a wife, a financial analyst, and a woman with a promising future for her children and herself - with or without Jason in her life. I don't think the value of her life can be translated into dollars, but the point has been made that even if Jason worked for five lifetimes, he would not have the value that Michelle may have had in one lifetime.

Do you think Jason will be a stand up guy, hit the pavement, and settle his debts, or will he look for the silent, easy way out?

Never mind that Jason put a monetary value on Michelle's life of $1 million, but then decided that it was worth nothing.

Tia

03-17-2009, 10:15 AM

Jester

03-17-2009, 10:23 AM

Never mind that Jason put a monetary value on Michelle's life of $1 million, but then decided that it was worth nothing.

I wonder what Jason fantasized when he thought about life after Michelle with a million $ in his pocket? Did he think that he would be in a new social sphere, that he could hobnob with the rich girls, maybe find one to support him after he blew through the first million?

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 10:33 AM

Or maybe the N&O printed misinformation:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4745442/

"No one has been charged in the slaying, but Jason Young has been named a suspect in the case."

Probably just our old friend Marlon. I heard he left the N&O to work for AP. Just as before, he can't be bothered to keep up to date with facts. Or maybe it's just a make-up for his other misstatements?

Tia

03-17-2009, 10:37 AM

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 10:42 AM

I wonder what Jason fantasized when he thought about life after Michelle with a million $ in his pocket? Did he think that he would be in a new social sphere, that he could hobnob with the rich girls, maybe find one to support him after he blew through the first million?

I'm sure he did. In the early stages of the investigation, there were posters here who said that he would remarry and get Cassidy a "new mommy."

I was incensed! There is no such thing as a "new mommy!" I am certainly glad that Cassidy will be with Meredith, because a loving aunt has to be better than any stepmother Jason could come up with.

Many step-parents do a phenomenal job of raising the children of their spouse, and truly make them their own, but in this case, I had my doubts.

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 10:43 AM

I definately can't picture him settling down with another woman. No matter what he told MM, it seemed marriage, kids, and responsibiliy were the last think Jason wanted.

JMO

Just a "sugar-mama."

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 10:44 AM

Probably just our old friend Marlon. I heard he left the N&O to work for AP. Just as before, he can't be bothered to keep up to date with facts. Or maybe it's just a make-up for his other misstatements?

What will you do to make up for yours?

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 10:47 AM

His comments yesterday are consistent with what has been said from the beginning. There was a prolonged fight, it was a brutal murder scene, there were small footprints, blood spatter was on the walls, and so on. What other scenario do you have in mind?

Nope. My comment was about premed. First time a cop has said that. Also first time for 'prolonged', tiny prints, bedroom chase. I don't need a scenario. Spivey needs one that makes sense for premed.

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 10:53 AM

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 11:05 AM

Huh. I saw that comment also but still don't understand. Wonder why Spivey didn't say ....against Jason Young. Maybe somebody will check with that reporter. Doesn't bother you? Okay.

Investigators have focused on Jason Young's actions around the time of the killing, according to documents connected with search warrants. The documents indicated that the Youngs had been having fights and that Jason Young was having an affair before his wife was killed.

Here's something else from that same link that gives the lie to two things you said, back in the day.

Any apologies forthcoming?

RoxyWest

03-17-2009, 11:10 AM

Tia

03-17-2009, 11:11 AM

I'm sure he did. In the early stages of the investigation, there were posters here who said that he would remarry and get Cassidy a "new mommy."

I was incensed! There is no such thing as a "new mommy!" I am certainly glad that Cassidy will be with Meredith, because a loving aunt has to be better than any stepmother Jason could come up with.

Many step-parents do a phenomenal job of raising the children of their spouse, and truly make them their own, but in this case, I had my doubts.

I remember that. Very sad.
Poor Michelle.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 11:29 AM

Investigators have focused on Jason Young's actions around the time of the killing, according to documents connected with search warrants. The documents indicated that the Youngs had been having fights and that Jason Young was having an affair before his wife was killed.

Here's something else from that same link that gives the lie to two things you said, back in the day.

Any apologies forthcoming?

I wouldnt hold my breath for one Doorbell.

I also wouldnt be surprised if we hear of more indiscretions on Jason's behalf. IMO.

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 11:32 AM

I wouldnt hold my breath for one Doorbell.

I also wouldnt be surprised if we hear of more indiscretions on Jason's behalf. IMO.

I agree. What as miserable excuse for a man!

jerzeegirl

03-17-2009, 11:39 AM

he has nothing to lose now, hes lost it all. They need to arrest him soon or im afraid he will take off. Mexico maybe. HURRY!

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 12:04 PM

Looks like the N&O printed a more accurate account:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1445988.html

Being the focus of an investigation and being officially named a suspect to the public aren't the same thing from a legal standpoint.

Tia

03-17-2009, 12:05 PM

he has nothing to lose now, hes lost it all. They need to arrest him soon or im afraid he will take off. Mexico maybe. HURRY!

I would never be surprised.

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 12:10 PM

Leanne Weich

03-17-2009, 12:38 PM

I hope Linda's attorney attaches the rental income from the townhouse.

jerry50

03-17-2009, 12:40 PM

Huh. I saw that comment also but still don't understand. Wonder why Spivey didn't say ....against Jason Young. Maybe somebody will check with that reporter. Doesn't bother you? Okay.

As an English teacher did you think that Det Spivey said "him" instead of Jason Young and that is why the quote ended and the reporter inserted Jason Young to clarify the statement? The whole comment was not quoted and in such cases this type of clarification happens all the time.

jerry50

03-17-2009, 12:43 PM

Why would Cassidy need a mile of highway?

I think that the judge is well versed in what prisoners make stamping out license plates and knew that even $15M would be out of sight for JY's future earnings.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 02:00 PM

Being the focus of an investigation and being officially named a suspect to the public aren't the same thing from a legal standpoint.

You can detract from the facts as much as you like. However, doesnt change one fact - Jason WAS named primary suspect in the most recent publically released SW's. I hope you're not too surprised when they arrest him. IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 02:03 PM

As an English teacher did you think that Det Spivey said "him" instead of Jason Young and that is why the quote ended and the reporter inserted Jason Young to clarify the statement? The whole comment was not quoted and in such cases this type of clarification happens all the time.

ITA. What would concern me more is the false stories KB has previously floated. IMO.

Tia

03-17-2009, 02:18 PM

You can detract from the facts as much as you like. However, doesnt change one fact - Jason WAS named primary suspect in the most recent publically released SW's. I hope you're not too surprised when they arrest him. IMO.

I don't think they will be surprised. IMO, its pretty clear who murdered Michelle and I think even those who supported him in the beginning are realizing the truth.

JMO

reborn

03-17-2009, 02:26 PM

reborn

03-17-2009, 02:42 PM

And, 6 of them had to be spent driving for him to pull this off.
:rolleyes:

KAt

Kat I think thats the problem. Jason couldn't possible have enough time to do this . Who ever did this made sure very little evidence was left behind. That takes time. One hr. and here's what he had to do. Kill Michelle . Then change shoes a couple times. Take a shower. Give Cassie a bath. Make sure Cassie was asleep. Make sure no bloody finger prints were around. Make sure no blood was in his car. If killing Michelle took 15 minutes we have 45 minutes left for every thing else. Why did he turn on all the lights in the house? What was he looking for in that 45 minutes after he killed Michelle? Someone was looking for something.

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 03:09 PM

Well it was stated in court today that the GA friend said she brought casserole for jason and michelle and that jason said he wasnt hungry, he left, stopped at cracker barrel. Other than that IDK.

Tofu casserole, anyone? How about spinich casserole? squash & butterbeans delight? Sure wouldn't take much to run me away from my table and off to CB. Not staying to eat is supposed to show he is guilty of....what? Good manners for making an excuse? Good grief!

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:39 PM

no a bit of joke, but this rocks http://

do NOT click that link above it is a virus

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:41 PM

You have to remember who's name was on those warrants. It was Meredith's friend Spivey.

Your point being??

Meredith never knew Det. Spivey until her brother in law Jason Lynn Young viciously killed her pregnant sister Michelle. He's a representative of LE, the warrant was signed off on. IMO.

5swab5

03-17-2009, 03:41 PM

do NOT click that link above it is a virus

Too late, what do I do now?

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:44 PM

Not staying to eat was due to 'the long drive ahead' and the need to 'hit the road', not feeling full.

Stopping at CB for a 'sitdown' meal shows what he really meant when he was in a hurry to leave the house.
That was to simply be seen leaving by SS and her being told he had a long, long way to go that night.

Dont forget he made 2 cell calls on the way there - to two different friends. Telling one he was tired from the long winding mountain roads (which is a lie, its generally an interstate most of the way), telling the other he wanted to catch the game (which was over around 10:30, security camera has him checking in I think at 10:49). This came out at the hearing yesterday. IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:45 PM

Too late, what do I do now?

Id run a virus scan ASAP and update it first so you're sweeping for everything.

Apparently that link was posted in several threads on the board from what I read in "Open Court". Good luck! IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:47 PM

Tofu casserole, anyone? How about spinich casserole? squash & butterbeans delight? Sure wouldn't take much to run me away from my table and off to CB. Not staying to eat is supposed to show he is guilty of....what? Good manners for making an excuse? Good grief!

That's hilarious! thanks for the laugh.

Jason clearly was trying to establish the alibi with their friend Shelly. He declined the already made/ready to go dinner citing the long drive ahead. Yet then stopped for a FULL SERVICE dinner a short time after? Gee, what about the long drive he allegedly had? Bad manners for brutally beating his pregnant wife to death! IMO.

Doorbell

03-17-2009, 03:48 PM

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:51 PM

Kat I think thats the problem. Jason couldn't possible have enough time to do this . Who ever did this made sure very little evidence was left behind. That takes time. One hr. and here's what he had to do. Kill Michelle . Then change shoes a couple times. Take a shower. Give Cassie a bath. Make sure Cassie was asleep. Make sure no bloody finger prints were around. Make sure no blood was in his car. If killing Michelle took 15 minutes we have 45 minutes left for every thing else. Why did he turn on all the lights in the house? What was he looking for in that 45 minutes after he killed Michelle? Someone was looking for something.

Jason had plenty of time, sure it was close but NOT impossible. Plus he was a known speeder, he easily made up time by putting the pedal to the metal. Changing shoes takes under a minute. He probably just changed Cassidy's clothes and washed her feet off, I doubt he gave her a full bath - before he drugged her and put her back to bed. So only a few minutes there, 10 at most. Showering doesnt take too long either. Maybe he left the lights on for Cassidy, in case she woke up and it was dark out, so she'd have light on in the house. We're still missing his Orbital Shoes and black shirt by the way. IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 03:58 PM

FYI I received a PM from that user CanadapM - I just deleted it, I didnt even open it.

Tia

03-17-2009, 04:05 PM

Your point being??

Meredith never knew Det. Spivey until her brother in law Jason Lynn Young viciously killed her pregnant sister Michelle. He's a representative of LE, the warrant was signed off on. IMO.

OMG, now Det. Spivey is "in on it"??!??!

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 04:14 PM

You can detract from the facts as much as you like. However, doesnt change one fact - Jason WAS named primary suspect in the most recent publically released SW's. I hope you're not too surprised when they arrest him. IMO.

I'm not detracting from any facts. Just merely pointing out that Jason hasn't been publicly named a suspect by the WCSO. The AP is well aware of the distinction and knows a document prepared for a Judge isn't the same thing. I know you are disappointed that Spivey's opinion isn't enough to arrest Jason.

:rolleyes:

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 04:20 PM

Not staying to eat was due to 'the long drive ahead' and the need to 'hit the road', not feeling full.

Stopping at CB for a 'sitdown' meal shows what he really meant when he was in a hurry to leave the house.
That was to simply be seen leaving by SS and her being told he had a long, long way to go that night.

So now a polite excuse not to sit down and consume a casserole is evidence of murder? While apparently this is all it takes to persuade a detective that a person is guilty, I can certainly understand why the DA might not agree. :lol:

5swab5

03-17-2009, 04:25 PM

I'm not detracting from any facts. Just merely pointing out that Jason hasn't been publicly named a suspect by the WCSO. The AP is well aware of the distinction and knows a document prepared for a Judge isn't the same thing. I know you are disappointed that Spivey's opinion isn't enough to arrest Jason.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:How much more official can it be reported than in a Search Warrant? Now you don't believe it just beacuse the newspaper doesn't report it?:rolleyes: That's a hoot. MOO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:29 PM

So now a polite excuse not to sit down and consume a casserole is evidence of murder? While apparently this is all it takes to persuade a detective that a person is guilty, I can certainly understand why the DA might not agree. :lol:

In and of itself, no - but combined with all the other false stories he was making up, yes it is strong CE. :lol: IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:31 PM

I'm not detracting from any facts. Just merely pointing out that Jason hasn't been publicly named a suspect by the WCSO. The AP is well aware of the distinction and knows a document prepared for a Judge isn't the same thing. I know you are disappointed that Spivey's opinion isn't enough to arrest Jason.

:rolleyes:

Nice try there! Trying to insinuate you know how I feel? HAHAHA that's rich. But no, and Im not sorry to dissapoint you but Im confident that Jason will be arrested. Dont you worry! :lol: IMO.

Tia

03-17-2009, 04:32 PM

:rolleyes:How much more official can it be reported than in a Search Warrant? Now you don't believe it just beacuse the newspaper doesn't report it?:rolleyes: That's a hoot. MOO

Its really a hoot!! Do you recall the early negative discussions from the JII side regarding the reporters following this case? Especially Amanda Lamb and the NC Wanted reporter??

I see the tables have turned since LE has named Jason the suspect!

JMO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:32 PM

:rolleyes:How much more official can it be reported than in a Search Warrant? Now you don't believe it just beacuse the newspaper doesn't report it?:rolleyes: That's a hoot. MOO

Actually Swabby there's been a few recent reports that cite Jason being named the primary suspect. WESH doesnt just make up their info, they saw it from the SW as you know. So maybe Stella needs to argue with the news services (like WESH) that go off of FACTS. IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:34 PM

Its really a hoot!! Do you recall the early negative discussions from the JII side regarding the reporters following this case? Especially Amanda Lamb and the NC Wanted reporter??

I see the tables have turned since LE has named Jason the suspect!

JMO

Yeah or like how the Michelle Money thing was just "rumor" when in fact it turned out to be TRUE. IMO.

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 04:35 PM

:rolleyes:How much more official can it be reported than in a Search Warrant? Now you don't believe it just beacuse the newspaper doesn't report it?:rolleyes: That's a hoot. MOO

I didn't say the search warrant wasn't official, I said the naming of Jason Young as a suspect hasn't been done by WCSO officials. I also said I believe the Associated Press is correct.

What's a hoot is that all Spivey's proclamations still haven't managed an arrest of Jason Young.

Stellagant

03-17-2009, 04:36 PM

Actually Swabby there's been a few recent reports that cite Jason being named the primary suspect. WESH doesnt just make up their info, they saw it from the SW as you know. So maybe Stella needs to argue with the news services (like WESH) that go off of FACTS. IMO.

I'm not going to argue with the Associated Press, one of the largest news services in the world. Sorry.

5swab5

03-17-2009, 04:46 PM

Actually Swabby there's been a few recent reports that cite Jason being named the primary suspect. WESH doesnt just make up their info, they saw it from the SW as you know. So maybe Stella needs to argue with the news services (like WESH) that go off of FACTS. IMO.

Every single news cast that I have caught since the Feb 9th SWs were released have very clearly stated that not only is Jason the primary suspect, but he always has been. MOO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:54 PM

I'm not going to argue with the Associated Press, one of the largest news services in the world. Sorry.

I wouldnt expect you to, after all you support Jason - but dont worry, it doesnt "clear" him and he's not "off the radar". IMO.

5swab5

03-17-2009, 04:55 PM

I didn't say the search warrant wasn't official, I said the naming of Jason Young as a suspect hasn't been done by WCSO officials. I also said I believe the Associated Press is correct.

What's a hoot is that all Spivey's proclamations still haven't managed an arrest of Jason Young.

You can pick and choose which news reports you believe and quote all you want, does not change WCSD's stance on things. That is plainly spelled out in the SWs directed at the slayer. MOO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 04:56 PM

Every single news cast that I have caught since the Feb 9th SWs were released have very clearly stated that not only is Jason the primary suspect, but he always has been. MOO

Agreed! If people dont want to recognize the facts, that's their own fault. IMO.

Tia

03-17-2009, 05:19 PM

Agreed! If people dont want to recognize the facts, that's their own fault. IMO.

I think its that its becoming harder and harder to twist the evidence away from Jason, not that the JII's haven't put up a good fight, but as this case seems to be coming together, I really believe everyone can clearly see that Jason Young murdered Michelle.

JMO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 06:18 PM

Made the national news!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Although its news to me that Jason has ever proclaimed his innocence. :rolleyes:

Found this interesting:
Though Wake County Sheriff's Office has told local media that Jason Young is the prime suspect in his wife's death, a spokeswoman referred all questions from ABCNews.com to the local District Attorney's Office.

Wake County Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings told ABCNews.com today that he couldn't comment on when or whether charges would be filed in Michelle Young's death.

"There's still physical evidence that's being analyzed" and collected, he said.

reborn

03-17-2009, 06:30 PM

So now a polite excuse not to sit down and consume a casserole is evidence of murder? While apparently this is all it takes to persuade a detective that a person is guilty, I can certainly understand why the DA might not agree. :lol:

I thought the same thing. What does his dinner meal have to do with this? Why bring up panties from years before? Couldn't find anybody ever saw him hit her. Did he find anybody that saw her hit him? Did he find any angry emails from her? I guess Jason had an affair . Thats about all I see here.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 06:51 PM

I thought the same thing. What does his dinner meal have to do with this? Why bring up panties from years before? Couldn't find anybody ever saw him hit her. Did he find anybody that saw her hit him? Did he find any angry emails from her? I guess Jason had an affair . Thats about all I see here.

LOL. His dinner meal has to do with his alibi, he made a point of declining the food Michelle's friend made saying he had a long drive ahead. Yet, he had time to stop at a full service restaraunt? yeah - right.

The panties from "years before" just go to show he's been a liar for years!

We've sure seen at least one angry email from Jason, there's probably more - just like there's probably more affairs than just MM. IMO.

tiny paw-prints

03-17-2009, 07:01 PM

Tofu casserole, anyone? How about spinich casserole? squash & butterbeans delight? Sure wouldn't take much to run me away from my table and off to CB. Not staying to eat is supposed to show he is guilty of....what? Good manners for making an excuse? Good grief!

I dunno, kb. How about 2's company and 3's a crowd??? Perhaps Jason felt uncomfortable "sitting down to eat" with the 2 women, that is; his wife and the GA girlfriend??? Perhaps there may have been oozing emotions still flying from a prior event that was caused by Jason's unacceptable behavior?

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 07:28 PM

I dunno, kb. How about 2's company and 3's a crowd??? Perhaps Jason felt uncomfortable "sitting down to eat" with the 2 women, that is; his wife and the GA girlfriend??? Perhaps there may have been oozing emotions still flying from a prior event that was caused by Jason's unacceptable behavior?

Sure, we can come up with many reasons. At this point, the only important reason is Spivey's. Seems the cops are emptying their bag of all the stuff they've collected over the last two years. Will they need another SW to show us more? What else can they search? Maybe they'll start computer searches of all board posters.....you got anything hidden on yours?

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 07:40 PM

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 07:43 PM

reborn

03-17-2009, 07:49 PM

say reborn, you must be confused.
Not only is Meredith a good pal of Spivey, she is also a friend of
Howard Cummings

Wake County Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings told ABCNews.com today

"I think it's important that Linda and Meredith [Fisher] will be able to share in the raising of Cassidy."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Shame on you for saying Meredith gets around.

reborn

03-17-2009, 07:53 PM

Then you need to open your eyes. IMO

Then you tell me why? What does dinner have to do with the murder? What does panties years ago have to do with the murder? What does what he told his friends have to do with the murder? Have they proved he was in Raleigh? Now that has to do with the murder. IMO

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

Sure, we can come up with many reasons. At this point, the only important reason is Spivey's. Seems the cops are emptying their bag of all the stuff they've collected over the last two years. Will they need another SW to show us more? What else can they search? Maybe they'll start computer searches of all board posters.....you got anything hidden on yours?

I'm not worried - Spivey already knows who I am, from the email I sent him a while back. What about you - are you worried?

As for Jason, I imagine he's very worried right now. It seems that all forms of his electronic communications are the subject of SWs. People can be very indiscreet in their electronic communications, IMO. Even the smallest thing can have significance when one is under the microscope - as Jason certainly seems to be.

reborn

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

LOL. His dinner meal has to do with his alibi, he made a point of declining the food Michelle's friend made saying he had a long drive ahead. Yet, he had time to stop at a full service restaraunt? yeah - right.

The panties from "years before" just go to show he's been a liar for years!

We've sure seen at least one angry email from Jason, there's probably more - just like there's probably more affairs than just MM. IMO.

He was in the motel at midnight. How do you figure in his dinner meal as an alibi?

5swab5

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

Shame on you for saying Meredith gets around.

Shame on YOU! You must be confused, please show me exactly where in that post it says that "Meredith gets around". I will save you some time, it doesn't! Kindly dangle your stinky bait elsewhere. MOO

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

Shame on you for saying Meredith gets around.

I didn't get that from Thunderbird's post, but it's interesting that you did. Perhaps you meant Jason, instead? It's been proven that he gets around, IMO.

reborn

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

Agreed! If people dont want to recognize the facts, that's their own fault. IMO.

What facts? Show me some facts?

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Then you tell me why? What does dinner have to do with the murder? What does panties years ago have to do with the murder? What does what he told his friends have to do with the murder? Have they proved he was in Raleigh? Now that has to do with the murder. IMO

Here's the problem: you can't take each piece and examine it individually. You have to put it all together. You want to separate it all out and excuse away each piece. Try looking at the big picture and you might see what the majority are seeing. IMO

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:00 PM

Shame on YOU! You must be confused, please show me exactly where in that post it says that "Meredith gets around". I will save you some time, it doesn't! Kindly dangle your stinky bait elsewhere. MOO

I thought thats what he meant. Why was he mentioning her being friends with two men?

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:01 PM

trucrime

03-17-2009, 08:02 PM

What facts? Show me some facts?

:rolleyes: the search warrants are readily available on WRAL.com

Also, try a trial transcript from the civil case. IMO.

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:04 PM

Here's the problem: you can't take each piece and examine it individually. You have to put it all together. You want to separate it all out and excuse away each piece. Try looking at the big picture and you might see what the majority are seeing. IMO

I think reborn is confused, Barbara. Why else would s/he infer something unwarranted, otherwise?

As for putting it all together, you do realize, don't you, that requires a certain ability?

trucrime

03-17-2009, 08:04 PM

He was in the motel at midnight. How do you figure in his dinner meal as an alibi?

Because he told the friend at their house he had a "long drive ahead", couldnt eat yet went to the full service Cracker Barrel for food which you know took time, not like he just had fast food. If he had such a long drive, why did he stay for a full service meal. Its all part of the WHOLE "story" he was trying to create for an alibi. IMO.

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:04 PM

I thought thats what he meant. Why was he mentioning her being friends with two men?

I'm friends with more than two men. What are you saying?

5swab5

03-17-2009, 08:05 PM

I thought thats what he meant. Why was he mentioning her being friends with two men?

Since when does being friends mean "getting around"? It doesn't! It was a direct slam toward Meredith and it was an all too obvious misrepresentation of another's post. MOO

trucrime

03-17-2009, 08:06 PM

Shame on YOU! You must be confused, please show me exactly where in that post it says that "Meredith gets around". I will save you some time, it doesn't! Kindly dangle your stinky bait elsewhere. MOO

I reported the post. Stuff like reborns post is slander. IMO.

trucrime

03-17-2009, 08:07 PM

I thought thats what he meant. Why was he mentioning her being friends with two men?

Then you're the ONLY PERSON here who thought that. IMO.

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 08:07 PM

You evaded my question.

I didn't evade it. I didn't think you were serious since this has been explained a number of times.

Jason left before having dinner at home because he said he needed to get going. He then bypassed the fast food restaurants and chose one that takes some time to serve dinner. It seems that he wasn't in so much of a hurry after all. It is just another conflicting statement that he made even though he has not yet talked to the police other than a brief statement. IMO

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:14 PM

kingbuff

03-17-2009, 08:15 PM

I'm not worried - Spivey already knows who I am, from the email I sent him a while back. What about you - are you worried?

As for Jason, I imagine he's very worried right now. It seems that all forms of his electronic communications are the subject of SWs. People can be very indiscreet in their electronic communications, IMO. Even the smallest thing can have significance when one is under the microscope - as Jason certainly seems to be.

Nope. Not worried. I pay a guy to come over every two weeks and replace my hard drive and reprogram. I have a stash of hard drives hidden out back in the barn. You might consider this idea. I always start a new HD with a letter to my lawyer. Privileged, you know.

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:16 PM

:rolleyes: the search warrants are readily available on WRAL.com

Also, try a trial transcript from the civil case. IMO.

I have read the SWs and find no evidence of murder in them. I have read the transcript and saw Spiveys opinion. That was a default judgement. Can you answer why hasn't he been indicted?

Barbara2

03-17-2009, 08:18 PM

Enough about reborn.

I'm still stunned by the baby doll revelation. And it's obvious to me from what has been reported about Spivey's testimony and Willoughby's comments that it's only a matter of time until Jason Young is indicted for Michelle's murder.

I know it has been over 28 months, but I will remain hopeful for as long as it takes that Michelle and Rylan will have justice.

:rose:

It took 4 years before Willoughby decided he had enough to arrest Ann Miller for her husband's death. He had so much evidence that she went for a plea agreement before it ever went to trial. There are many parallels to this case but I hope the four year part isn't one of them!!! IMO

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:18 PM

Nope. Not worried. I pay a guy to come over every two weeks and replace my hard drive and reprogram. I have a stash of hard drives hidden out back in the barn. You might consider this idea. I always start a new HD with a letter to my lawyer. Privileged, you know.

Interesting that you would feel the need to go to those lengths. I certainly don't.

So tell me, what will your reaction be when Jason is indicted for Michelle's murder?

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:19 PM

Enough about reborn.

I'm still stunned by the baby doll revelation. And it's obvious to me from what has been reported about Spivey's testimony and Willoughby's comments that it's only a matter of time until Jason Young is indicted for Michelle's murder.

I know it has been over 28 months, but I will remain hopeful for as long as it takes that Michelle and Rylan will have justice.

:rose:

LOL I like that. You do know Reborn is a doll business?
When did Willoughby make that statement?

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:20 PM

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:21 PM

LOL I like that. You do know Reborn is a doll business?
When did Willoughby make that statement?

No, I don't know that, nor do I care. You didn't answer my question. I'm friends with more than 2 men. What are you saying?

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:29 PM

No, I don't know that, nor do I care. You didn't answer my question. I'm friends with more than 2 men. What are you saying?

Ok. I thought you was making a pun on words. Guess I was wrong.

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:32 PM

Ok. I thought you was making a pun on words. Guess I was wrong.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. Got one?

reborn

03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. Got one?

Ask Thunderbird. I never said anything about her. I shamed him .

Cardinal

03-17-2009, 08:42 PM

Ask Thunderbird. I never said anything about her. I shamed him .

Huh???? Does that mean you don't have an answer?

ETA: Well, since I don't have an answer, I guess I'll call it a night.

Praying again for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

:rose:

on the go

03-17-2009, 08:45 PM

It's interesting that there's still evidence being analyzed. It makes sense that an arrest might come after all tests are in.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

achristie

03-17-2009, 09:27 PM

I'm not worried - Spivey already knows who I am, from the email I sent him a while back. What about you - are you worried?

As for Jason, I imagine he's very worried right now. It seems that all forms of his electronic communications are the subject of SWs. People can be very indiscreet in their electronic communications, IMO. Even the smallest thing can have significance when one is under the microscope - as Jason certainly seems to be.

You emailed Spivey?
Care to share the what, the why , and the when?
Did he respond?
It would never occur to me to do such a thing, but I am new to this.
Truthfully, just wondering.

MOO Aggie

achristie

03-17-2009, 09:31 PM

bsatis

03-17-2009, 09:35 PM

Are you saying you are no longer on the fence?

I think Cardinal went to bed :( I don't believe she has been on the fence for a little while now. She's just VERY thorough when forming an opinion. But, she is highly intelligent, so it wasn't a shock to see what side of the fence she now resides.

annalyzer

03-17-2009, 09:40 PM

snip~
Wake County Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings told ABCNews.com today that he couldn't comment on when or whether charges would be filed in Michelle Young's death.

"There's still physical evidence that's being analyzed" and collected, he said.

I don't like that word "whether"..... :unsure:

It's hard to believe the evidence they've collected is still being analyzed after all this time. As far as collecting it, where are they still collecting physical evidence at? :confused:

annalyzer

03-17-2009, 10:48 PM

Notice the "quote" ends at analyzed, annalyzer.

"There's still physical evidence that's being analyzed" and collected, he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Yeah I notice it now. Must mean collected after it's been analyzed. I see. Still hard to believe it hasn't all been long done by now. But whatever it takes is okay with me. I can wait. :biggrin:

annalyzer

03-18-2009, 12:18 AM

Actually, I read it as they still have physical evidence they are analyzing. That was the quote.
The "collected" was added by the author and not a direct quote by mr Cummings.

I doubt they just threw in the word collected for the heck of it. He must have said the word in some context. I'd say he meant they still have evidence that is being analyzed and they are collecting it as it gets done.

reborn

03-18-2009, 12:36 AM

You emailed Spivey?
Care to share the what, the why , and the when?
Did he respond?
It would never occur to me to do such a thing, but I am new to this.
Truthfully, just wondering.

MOO Aggie

Wow I'm surprised too. Maybe she can scout out some more information.

reborn

03-18-2009, 12:40 AM

Physical evidence still being collected and analyzed after almost
2 and 1/2 years does not do much for me...
There is absolutely nothing that could be tested and not have the results back.
The entire home could have been torn down and rebuilt 10 times over by now.......
Kat

Maybe they are collecting evidence off the furniture. When did they get the warrant for that?

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:48 AM

Sure, we can come up with many reasons. At this point, the only important reason is Spivey's. Seems the cops are emptying their bag of all the stuff they've collected over the last two years. Will they need another SW to show us more? What else can they search? Maybe they'll start computer searches of all board posters.....you got anything hidden on yours?

That's all pretty lame stuff that's in the bag they are emptying. A guy passes on a casserole and decides later to stop for food=guilty of premediated murder. No jury will ever agree.

A guy after a day at work drives for another three hours and decides to stop for the night =guilty of premeditated murder. Not even a jury in Kansas would agree to that.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:00 AM

It took 4 years before Willoughby decided he had enough to arrest Ann Miller for her husband's death. He had so much evidence that she went for a plea agreement before it ever went to trial. There are many parallels to this case but I hope the four year part isn't one of them!!! IMO

Not quite true, Barbara2. Willoughby didn't indict Miller until he had the evidence he needed. It took LE four years to find that piece of evidence (Miller's confession) and persuade a court it must be turned over. Not many similarities between Ann Miller and Jason Young. Miller talked to cops and then lawyered up and her words finally nailed her. Jason Young has consistently remained silent. I doubt he has confessed to a lover but, hey, LE will keep looking 'cuz they got nothing much else.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:06 AM

I don't get the GA friend being there as part of any alibi.
So, she saw Jason leave the home, so what?
Doesn't his gas receipt show what time he approx. left home?

And, how do you know he didn't get hungry after a 1 1/2 hour drive and a bunch of Cracker Barrel home cooking signs?
I mean, come on, not everything is suspicious.....:no:

The guy was at the half way point to Hillsville and decided to stop and eat.
Then he drove the other 1 1 /2 hour and decided to stop.

So, why such a big deal about this?
It is not like they weren't going to find out where he ate.
:shrug:
Kat

In order for GA friend to be part of the pre-planned alibi, Jason is the one who needed to arrange for her to be there and I don't believe that is the case at all.

Has AE been around today? I wanted to ask her if punitive damages mean an automatic appeal in NC.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:13 AM

I know it.!!
There is more than enough stuff to make Jason look bad, but now Cracker Barrel ?

Umm, no........:no:
Jason could have very well went anywhere, TGIF, Bennigans, Applebee's, Red Lobster, Olive Garden ( if they have all these in NC),
Maybe he regretted not eating with Michelle and the GA friend, and
decided to stop, who knows?
I would think he would have driven as far as possible to get as many miles away from Raleigh, if that were his plan..

Not everything means murder, sheesh......

Kat

If it were pre-planned, Jason would have pre-planned a more solid alibi instead of leaving a large gap the DA could drive a truck through, unless of course there is security video that helps Jason's alibi such as showing he never left the hotel in the wee hours.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:16 AM

I know nothing about the Miller case, except that it has been mentioned here, but, since we are quickly approaching the 2 and a half year mark, I guess the length of enormous time before an arrest is a similarity.
:shrug:
Kat

Only similarity I see pertains to our discussion of Meredith's 911 call and the fact that Miller's own words finally nailed her. Yes, it does take time.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:18 AM

Well, I think the watching of the GA show was on a regular basism wasn't it?
Why couldn't Michelle just telling her friend that Jason was out of town, be sufficient enough though?
You don't need to actually see Jason leave , when his travels are going to be documented anyway.
Makes no sense.
Kat

I have not "seen" AE, but I was gone all day .

I don't believe watching the GA show was on a regular basis nor do I believe Jason was in any way involved in arranging which of Michelle's friends stopped by and when.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:22 AM

Yeah I notice it now. Must mean collected after it's been analyzed. I see. Still hard to believe it hasn't all been long done by now. But whatever it takes is okay with me. I can wait. :biggrin:

Search warrants were recently issued to collect more evidence. If it's there, that is, and I don't believe it is there.

5swab5

03-18-2009, 08:36 AM

Not quite true, Barbara2. Willoughby didn't indict Miller until he had the evidence he needed. It took LE four years to find that piece of evidence (Miller's confession) and persuade a court it must be turned over. Not many similarities between Ann Miller and Jason Young. Miller talked to cops and then lawyered up and her words finally nailed her. Jason Young has consistently remained silent. I doubt he has confessed to a lover but, hey, LE will keep looking 'cuz they got nothing much else.

Not quite true Stellagant. Willoughby knew about Willard's attorney, that he had information pertinent to the case and that he was not going to reveal that information without a fight within a month of Eric Miller's murder. Att. Gannon caused the long delay (3+ years) for justice by not revealing what Willard told him until the N.C. Supreme Court ordered him to.

As for similarities, we have the same DA. Willoughby, the same law firm Smith, 109 phone calls between the murderer and her lover the month before Eric's death and that pesky ongoing romantic relationship that was revealed early on and became fodder for much speculation. :biggrinjester: MOO

whitywendy

03-18-2009, 10:14 AM

I know nothing about the Miller case, except that it has been mentioned here, but, since we are quickly approaching the 2 and a half year mark, I guess the length of enormous time before an arrest is a similarity.
:shrug:
Kat

The Miller case took almost 4 years for an arrest. There was so much CE from the get go. She left town, remarried and moved on with her life. However, she is now in prison serving her time for the murder of her husband. So the comparison is the time frame, the CE and of course her eventual prison sentence. She also thought she got away with it. NC seems to take their time when it comes to domestic murder., IMO

Tia

03-18-2009, 10:55 AM

The Miller case took almost 4 years for an arrest. There was so much CE from the get go. She left town, remarried and moved on with her life. However, she is now in prison serving her time for the murder of her husband. So the comparison is the time frame, the CE and of course her eventual prison sentence. She also thought she got away with it. NC seems to take their time when it comes to domestic murder., IMO

They sure do take their time!! It must be really tough on the families waiting for justice, but at least once he is convicted, there will be less chance of an appeal.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:06 PM

Not quite true Stellagant. Willoughby knew about Willard's attorney, that he had information pertinent to the case and that he was not going to reveal that information without a fight within a month of Eric Miller's murder. Att. Gannon caused the long delay (3+ years) for justice by not revealing what Willard told him until the N.C. Supreme Court ordered him to.

As for similarities, we have the same DA. Willoughby, the same law firm Smith, 109 phone calls between the murderer and her lover the month before Eric's death and that pesky ongoing romantic relationship that was revealed early on and became fodder for much speculation. :biggrinjester: MOO

The detective featured last week on 48 Hours disputes your account of the Miller timeline, 5Swab5. And Miller's "lover" that you're grinning about was innocent of murder and took his own life because he couldn't handle the public speculation. You must be so proud.

5swab5

03-18-2009, 12:21 PM

The detective featured last week on 48 Hours disputes your account of the Miller timeline, 5Swab5. And Miller's "lover" that you're grinning about was innocent of murder and took his own life because he couldn't handle the public speculation. You must be so proud.

Well, I guess you had to be here and following it live, instead of relying on a TV show. Please don't start out this day misrepresenting my post. The grinning was for the use of the words "romantic relationship" as the reporters' euphemism for the kind of full blown affairs, that both cases have.

Willard could have easily faced charges, if he didn't "off himself". After Ann accepted the plea deal, it was revealed that she chose to do so, so that she wouldn't cause her parents to lose their house paying for her Attorneys. Think Jason will be as kind to Pat and Gerald or will he send them into bankruptcy and out on the street? MOO

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:22 PM

The Miller case took almost 4 years for an arrest. There was so much CE from the get go. She left town, remarried and moved on with her life. However, she is now in prison serving her time for the murder of her husband. So the comparison is the time frame, the CE and of course her eventual prison sentence. She also thought she got away with it. NC seems to take their time when it comes to domestic murder., IMO

I think another similarity is the extraordinary effort Ann Miller went to in order to implicate an innocent man for murder. NC seems to take their time when the killer is a psychopath but they do eventually nail her with her own words.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:31 PM

Well, I guess you had to be here and following it live, instead of relying on a TV show. Please don't start out this day misrepresenting my post. The grinning was for the use of the words "romantic relationship" as the reporters' euphemism for the kind of full blown affairs, that both cases have.

Willard could have easily faced charges, if he didn't "off himself". After Ann accepted the plea deal, it was revealed that she chose to do so, so that she wouldn't cause her parents to lose their house paying for her Attorneys. Think Jason will be as kind to Pat and Gerald or will he send them into bankruptcy and out on the street? MOO

Why the need to misrepresent the timeline? You are not correct. It was over a year before LE knew about Willard's attorney.

Morgan had no one who could place the arsenic in Ann Miller's hands.

It was 2002, and more than a year had passed since Eric Miller was murdered.

Frustrated, Morgan re-read the case file again and again. And then, late one night while looking at the file for what felt like the hundreth time, Morgan says he saw it plain as day: the key to solving Eric Miller’s murder[/I]

Detective Morgan also suspected right away that Willard was being set up.

Morgan wondered aloud to Derril whether Ann had set him up

"I said, 'Derril, I think you’ve been used by a woman.' And he looked up, with resignation on his face, and he said, 'Yeah. And she’s done a very good job of it.' And then he said, 'I can’t talk to you anymore. I need to call my attorney.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/12/48hours/main4861528_page2.shtml

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:32 PM

Hi Wendy........
Not with Cherica Adams or Nancy Cooper though, those cases moved right along.
I did look up the Miller case, seems she took a plea and only got 25 years.
I think that is an injustice, do you?
Why was that not a DP case ?

Kat

The DA feared a sympathetic jury would not convict her.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:34 PM

Ummm, could someone please tell me why Jason checked into the hotel and then stayed around for over an hour?

He had a murder to commit, you would think once he established the beginning of an alibi, he would have hit the road !

He even took his time getting to the hotel, stopping at a restaurant instead of a drive~thru....
He certainly was not in any hurry, lolly~gagging his way through states, was he?!!

Hmmmm.
Kat

I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

Tia

03-18-2009, 12:39 PM

I think Cardinal went to bed :( I don't believe she has been on the fence for a little while now. She's just VERY thorough when forming an opinion. But, she is highly intelligent, so it wasn't a shock to see what side of the fence she now resides.

It certainly is becoming obvious who the murderer is.

JMO

5swab5

03-18-2009, 12:51 PM

I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

If there was, Smith & Company would be screaming it from the rooftops, even IF the mute slayer wanted to remain quite. MOO

Last mention of this: Willard committed suicide in Jan. 2001, the talks with his lawyer were long over by '02.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 12:59 PM

If there was, Smith & Company would be screaming it from the rooftops, even IF the mute slayer wanted to remain quite. MOO

Last mention of this: Willard committed suicide in Jan. 2001, the talks with his lawyer were long over by '02.

Smith and company do not have access to the security video. You really need to learn how the process works.

In the Miller case, Detective Morgan did not know about the talk Willard had with his lawyer until a year after Eric's murder. It wasn't within a month as you claimed. You are wrong and I proved it with a link. Move on.

Originally Posted by 5swab5
Not quite true Stellagant. Willoughby knew about Willard's attorney, that he had information pertinent to the case and that he was not going to reveal that information without a fight within a month of Eric Miller's murder.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 01:06 PM

Well, that would explain a lot.
The timeline has never, never worked for me.
We got Jason in Hillsville as late as midnite,
and then again in Wytheville at 7:40 am.
If he left Hilllsville at 7:15, that fits perfect.

So, even if you back that up, there is only 7 and 1/4 hours unaccounted for and close to 6 of them have to be on the road.
He was exactly on time for his meeting when he was in Wytheville too!!
He really did get lost, or stopped for coffee, or pulled over to make a call.

So, to get back to that 1 hour and 15 minutes
1)Jason had to kill Michelle, which has been rumored it took up to 15 minutes in itself.:(
2) Deal with the dog
3) Deal with CY
4) Mess with some jewelry *
5)Possible shower and cleanup
6)Make 2 sets of shoe prints
7)Siphon gas
8)) Load up the car
9)Leave all the lights on
10)Get rid of all the stuff that could implicate him
and,) then get out of town................

Improbable, unlikely and almost impossible.
JMO
Kat
*I noticed in none of the s/w's are Michelle's rings mentioned, to this day, we don't know where they are.!!

I'm pretty sure her engagement diamond ring was mentioned in the search warrant.

Tia

03-18-2009, 01:32 PM

If there was, Smith & Company would be screaming it from the rooftops, even IF the mute slayer wanted to remain quite. MOO

Last mention of this: Willard committed suicide in Jan. 2001, the talks with his lawyer were long over by '02.

No kidding!! They would be screaming from the rooftops if that had ANY evidence that pointed to anyone but Jason.

jerzeegirl

03-18-2009, 01:34 PM

I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

youre pretty sure of it? Wheres the video? The cops have this video? There is a whole conspiracy to accuse jason young?

Im pretty sure if there is video to clear him, this would have been done.

Tia

03-18-2009, 01:45 PM

youre pretty sure of it? Wheres the video? The cops have this video? There is a whole conspiracy to accuse jason young?

Im pretty sure if there is video to clear him, this would have been done.

So....................

There is a video to clear Jason???

And.......his attorney's allowed him to be declared Michelle's Slayer, lose primary physical custody of his daughter, and didn't even bother to show up yesterday, and Linda was awarded 15.5 million.

what an interesting strategy!!

trucrime

03-18-2009, 01:49 PM

I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

Ive only seen evidence of him leaving the hotel late at night. No return. Can I get a VALID LINK to back up your likely false claim? Thanks. IMO.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 01:50 PM

So....................

There is a video to clear Jason???

And.......his attorney's allowed him to be declared Michelle's Slayer, lose primary physical custody of his daughter, and didn't even bother to show up yesterday, and Linda was awarded 15.5 million.

what an interesting strategy!!

Ive never heard of this video actually existing. I think its more hot air from the JII's to deflect the blame from Slayer Jason. IMO.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 01:51 PM

Well, that would explain a lot.
The timeline has never, never worked for me.
We got Jason in Hillsville as late as midnite,
and then again in Wytheville at 7:40 am.
If he left Hilllsville at 7:15, that fits perfect.

So, even if you back that up, there is only 7 and 1/4 hours unaccounted for and close to 6 of them have to be on the road.
He was exactly on time for his meeting when he was in Wytheville too!!
He really did get lost, or stopped for coffee, or pulled over to make a call.

So, to get back to that 1 hour and 15 minutes
1)Jason had to kill Michelle, which has been rumored it took up to 15 minutes in itself.:(
2) Deal with the dog
3) Deal with CY
4) Mess with some jewelry *
5)Possible shower and cleanup
6)Make 2 sets of shoe prints
7)Siphon gas
8)) Load up the car
9)Leave all the lights on
10)Get rid of all the stuff that could implicate him
and,) then get out of town................

Improbable, unlikely and almost impossible.
JMO
Kat
*I noticed in none of the s/w's are Michelle's rings mentioned, to this day, we don't know where they are.!!

Ive heard the drive is more like 5 hours. Its totally feasible he did this. IMO.

Tia

03-18-2009, 01:53 PM

Ive never heard of this video actually existing. I think its more hot air from the JII's to deflect the blame from Slayer Jason. IMO.

Of course it is.

Otherwise there is no reason Jason's attorney would allow all that has happened to him.

Tia

03-18-2009, 02:02 PM

Ive heard the drive is more like 5 hours. Its totally feasible he did this. IMO.

It is feasible. Its been proven that it could have been done.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 02:25 PM

Ive only seen evidence of him leaving the hotel late at night. No return. Can I get a VALID LINK to back up your likely false claim? Thanks. IMO.You have? Where? Can I get a VALID LINK to back up your likely false claim? Thanks. IMO

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 02:38 PM

It certainly is becoming obvious who the murderer is.

JMO
But not obvious enough to seek an indictment :shrug:

Tia

03-18-2009, 02:39 PM

I with LE could find what Jason did with the missing shirt, murder weapon, jewelry and other items he took from the scene to stage a "robbery".

Has LE ever checked to see if Michelle's jewelry was pawned?

trucrime

03-18-2009, 02:50 PM

http://www.news14.com/content/local_news/triangle/606462/detective-says-husband-responsible-for-murder/Default.aspx

Spivey called the attack on Michelle Young extreme and vicious. He also went over a possible timeline for the murder. Jason Young claims he spent the night of his wife's death in a Hillsville, Va., hotel room. Hillsville is about a two-and-a-half hour drive from the couple's Wake County home.

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So the drive really isnt more than 5 hours. IMO.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 02:53 PM

Stella said "pretty sure"
She did not state it as a fact.
Hope this helps you though.

Kat

Again, I have a right to ask for a link to back her claim up. Ive read nearly every article available on this case and have NEVER seen that possibility.

Also, it doesnt make sense - why would Jason give up custody of his child and not show up for the civil trial if he had video evidence of him coming back into the hotel room at a reasonable time. Because a 7 AM entry would prove my point that he had time to kill her. Im not worried though I doubt such video exists of him coming back to the hotel. IMO.

Tia

03-18-2009, 02:53 PM

But not obvious enough to seek an indictment :shrug:

Maybe they are were waiting for the WDS ruling? I don't know. It sure seems obvious to me.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 02:54 PM

In order for GA friend to be part of the pre-planned alibi, Jason is the one who needed to arrange for her to be there and I don't believe that is the case at all.

Has AE been around today? I wanted to ask her if punitive damages mean an automatic appeal in NC.
Jason has no grounds to appeal because he was a no show.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 02:57 PM

Maybe they are were waiting for the WDS ruling? I don't know. It sure seems obvious to me.
The DA said the civil filings/rulings had no bearing on the criminal case.

It has seemed obvious to some since day 1. Being obvious is not proof tho. I still have to wonder what the DA is waiting for and his hesitation keeps me on the fence.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:06 PM

So, it's 'your opinion' that you 'have seen evidence of him leaving the hotel'

okie dokie.

Opinion based on FACT alterego. IMO.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

The affidavits stated that video shows Jason Young in the lobby of the hotel between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m. on Nov. 2, 2006, wearing a light-colored, long-sleeved shirt with buttons at the neck. He is visible again on video recorded at 11:59 p.m. wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with a light-colored horizontal stripe.

Shortly after his second appearance, he is shown headed toward a side exit where hotel employees discovered a rock had been placed in the door jam to keep the door from closing and automatically locking, investigators said.

"It also made it unnecessary for anyone to use their keycard when re-entering through this door. This is important because the keycard system records when a keycard is used. It also records to whom the keycard has been assigned."

Jason Young's key card was used on one occasion, approximately six minutes after he checked into the hotel, according to the affidavits.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:08 PM

Do you see the word "about".?
On all maps it is stated that it is 167 miles, and 2 hours and 46 minutes driving time.
Conditions would have to be EXACTLY the same as when Jason supposedly took this trip.
Weather, traffic , everything.

Kat

There's no traffic in the middle of the night. Im trying to look up weather historical reports now. But I never have heard there was a horrible rainstorm or some other incliment weather to have prohibited a drive like that.

Sure I see the word "ABOUT" I can read but thanks for your concern. IMO.

reborn

03-18-2009, 03:21 PM

Ive only seen evidence of him leaving the hotel late at night. No return. Can I get a VALID LINK to back up your likely false claim? Thanks. IMO.

Could I get a valid link to him leaving the motel?

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:25 PM

Could I get a valid link to him leaving the motel?

Guess you didnt read my reply to alterego? IMO.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

The affidavits stated that video shows Jason Young in the lobby of the hotel between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m. on Nov. 2, 2006, wearing a light-colored, long-sleeved shirt with buttons at the neck. He is visible again on video recorded at 11:59 p.m. wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with a light-colored horizontal stripe.

Shortly after his second appearance, he is shown headed toward a side exit where hotel employees discovered a rock had been placed in the door jam to keep the door from closing and automatically locking, investigators said.

"It also made it unnecessary for anyone to use their keycard when re-entering through this door. This is important because the keycard system records when a keycard is used. It also records to whom the keycard has been assigned."

Jason Young's key card was used on one occasion, approximately six minutes after he checked into the hotel, according to the affidavits.

Tia

03-18-2009, 03:27 PM

There's no traffic in the middle of the night. Im trying to look up weather historical reports now. But I never have heard there was a horrible rainstorm or some other incliment weather to have prohibited a drive like that.

Sure I see the word "ABOUT" I can read but thanks for your concern. IMO.

He could do it easily in the middle of the night. Easily!! I know what you are saying and from what I recall there were no incliment weather conditions that night.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 03:30 PM

Jason has no grounds to appeal because he was a no show.

I know that applies to compensatory damages but I'm wondering about punitive. In some states, punitive damages are automatically appealed because of excessive awards.

reborn

03-18-2009, 03:31 PM

Guess you didnt read my reply to alterego? IMO.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

The affidavits stated that video shows Jason Young in the lobby of the hotel between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m. on Nov. 2, 2006, wearing a light-colored, long-sleeved shirt with buttons at the neck. He is visible again on video recorded at 11:59 p.m. wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with a light-colored horizontal stripe.

Shortly after his second appearance, he is shown headed toward a side exit where hotel employees discovered a rock had been placed in the door jam to keep the door from closing and automatically locking, investigators said.

"It also made it unnecessary for anyone to use their keycard when re-entering through this door. This is important because the keycard system records when a keycard is used. It also records to whom the keycard has been assigned."

Jason Young's key card was used on one occasion, approximately six minutes after he checked into the hotel, according to the affidavits.

In other words there is no proof he left the motel.

Tia

03-18-2009, 03:32 PM

Could I get a valid link to him leaving the motel?

Why do you continually harass trucrime when he/she posted the link TWICE?

Why has this been over-looked and no link requested?

Originally Posted by Stellagant
I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

Harassing another poster is a violation of the TOS. Poor Trucrime has been beat up pretty badly here today.

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:33 PM

Looks like there really was no incliment weather on 11/2 and 11/3 2006 in both Raleigh, NC and Hillsville, VA. Note, the Hillsville search was done according to the closest weather center to Hillsville, which is Galax, VA.

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Hillsville to Galax

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Hillsville&1s=VA&2c=Galax&2s=VA

Total Estimated Time: 19 minutes
Total Estimated Distance: 13.12 miles

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http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRDU/2006/11/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Search for 11/2/06 – Raleigh, NC
Precipitation 0.00 in
Calm winds to variable winds throughout the day

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRDU/2006/11/3/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Search for 11/3/06 – Raleigh, NC
Precipitation 0.00 in
Calm winds to variable winds throughout the day

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KHLX/2006/11/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Search for 11/2/06 – Hillsville, VA
Precipitation 0.00 in
Calm winds to some mild winds throughout the day

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KHLX/2006/11/3/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Search for 11/3/06 – Hillsville, VA
Precipitation 0.00 in
Mild winds throughout the day

Tia

03-18-2009, 03:34 PM

In other words there is no proof he left the motel.

Depends on how you look at it. Being bundled up heading toward an exit, finding a rock stuck in the door, his wife happens to be murdered that night, well, seems a tad more than just a co-inky-dink!!

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:34 PM

In other words there is no proof he left the motel.

LOL they have video of him. Sorry you cant recognize that from the article I posted. IMO.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 03:35 PM

Could I get a valid link to him leaving the motel?

Evidently to some, being seen only "headed toward" an exit is proof enough of the actual exit. :rolleyes:

trucrime

03-18-2009, 03:37 PM

:rolleyes:
Evidently to some, being seen only "headed toward" an exit is proof enough of the actual exit. :rolleyes:

There's no footage of him in the morning as far as I can tell.

Stella, can I get a link to back your claim up that there's footage in the morning? Thanks. Im not really expecting one because you seem to be deflecting my query about it. Which leads me to think this is just another false rumor, like the one you started about the 911 call and Meredith somehow being responsible for Michelle's murder. IMO.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 03:39 PM

youre pretty sure of it? Wheres the video? The cops have this video? There is a whole conspiracy to accuse jason young?

Im pretty sure if there is video to clear him, this would have been done.

According to the search warrrant, LE has the video. Jason doesn't have the right to see the video until he's arrested and discovery kicks in.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 03:40 PM

Stella said "pretty sure"
She did not state it as a fact.
Hope this helps you though.

Kat

Thanks, Kat. I once again put that rude poster on ignore.

reborn

03-18-2009, 03:42 PM

Why do you continually harass trucrime when he/she posted the link TWICE?

Why has this been over-looked and no link requested?

Originally Posted by Stellagant
I'm pretty sure there is security video that shows Jason stayed around that hotel until he departed for his meeting.

Harassing another poster is a violation of the TOS. Poor Trucrime has been beat up pretty badly here today.

So you think trucrime has evidence Jason was out of motel after midnight? He needs to call Wake County .

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 03:45 PM

Opinion based on FACT alterego. IMO.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

The affidavits stated that video shows Jason Young in the lobby of the hotel between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m. on Nov. 2, 2006, wearing a light-colored, long-sleeved shirt with buttons at the neck. He is visible again on video recorded at 11:59 p.m. wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with a light-colored horizontal stripe.

Shortly after his second appearance, he is shown headed toward a side exit where hotel employees discovered a rock had been placed in the door jam to keep the door from closing and automatically locking, investigators said.

"It also made it unnecessary for anyone to use their keycard when re-entering through this door. This is important because the keycard system records when a keycard is used. It also records to whom the keycard has been assigned."

Jason Young's key card was used on one occasion, approximately six minutes after he checked into the hotel, according to the affidavits.
Spin it however you wish, there is no evidence he left the hotel, just supposition.

5swab5

03-18-2009, 03:46 PM

In other words there is no proof he left the motel.

He used his key card ONCE. He was caught on tape in the lobby after that in a different set of now missing clothes. He was seen heading towards a side exit that was jammed with a rock (a trick that the employees said they hadn't experienced before). His room was not reentered until the next day by the maids.

Surely you don't think that he left a whole day early to get to Hillsville, check into his room and then go spend the night in his car, elevator or the stairwell? MOO

5swab5

03-18-2009, 03:49 PM

According to the search warrrant, LE has the video. Jason doesn't have the right to see the video until he's arrested and discovery kicks in.

Pray Tell, which Search Warrant?

I won't hold my breath for an answer.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 03:50 PM

I know that applies to compensatory damages but I'm wondering about punitive. In some states, punitive damages are automatically appealed because of excessive awards.
The statute in NC is that punitive cannot be more than 3x compensatory and in this case, the judge took the $3,893,276.10 compensatory and trebled it to get $11,679,828.30 punitive - so there is no appellate issue.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 03:51 PM

LOL they have video of him. Sorry you cant recognize that from the article I posted. IMO.
There is no video of him leaving the hotel.

alterEgo©

03-18-2009, 03:59 PM

Depends on how you look at it. Being bundled up heading toward an exit, finding a rock stuck in the door, his wife happens to be murdered that night, well, seems a tad more than just a co-inky-dink!!
He was bundled up? I thought he just had on a pullover.

Tia

03-18-2009, 03:59 PM

So you think trucrime has evidence Jason was out of motel after midnight? He needs to call Wake County .

Please don't misrepresent my post. I was commenting on your harassment of Trucrime.

Since you are asking posters to call Wake County, why not recommend Stella do so about the video that she claims shows Jason leaving the Hotel in the Morning?

JMO

Tia

03-18-2009, 04:01 PM

He was bundled up? I thought he just had on a pullover.

He looked "puffy" to me. Like he was wearing a lot of clothes.

JMO

reborn

03-18-2009, 04:06 PM

There is no video of him leaving the hotel.

Actually there are stairs off hallway of the video.

achristie

03-18-2009, 04:07 PM

He looked "puffy" to me. Like he was wearing a lot of clothes.

JMO

Tia, nice to see you. Will you be setting up a new thread soon or does that automatically happen at 1000 posts?

Thanks, Aggie

reborn

03-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Please don't misrepresent my post. I was commenting on your harassment of Trucrime.

Since you are asking posters to call Wake County, why not recommend Stella do so about the video that she claims shows Jason leaving the Hotel in the Morning?

JMO

Why do you take every post as harassment?

reborn

03-18-2009, 04:10 PM

He was bundled up? I thought he just had on a pullover.

LOL I thought it was a dark pullover. Well shed some light on it and it changes.

Tia

03-18-2009, 04:12 PM

Tia, nice to see you. Will you be setting up a new thread soon or does that automatically happen at 1000 posts?

Thanks, Aggie

Hi Aggie!!!

We have to do it when it gets close.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 04:13 PM

The statute in NC is that punitive cannot be more than 3x compensatory and in this case, the judge took the $3,893,276.10 compensatory and trebled it to get $11,679,828.30 punitive - so there is no appellate issue.

Thanks, AE!

Tia

03-18-2009, 04:17 PM

Why do you take every post as harassment?

Not taking your bait.

<click>

Tia

03-18-2009, 04:31 PM

A new thread has been started for Michelle and CW has been notified to lock this one.

tarheelfan

03-18-2009, 04:49 PM

You're wrong....Ann Miller DID NOT confess. Her lover, Darrill Willard's statement to his attorney, Rick Gammon, was finally released after months and months of drama. Gammon stated attorney/client priviledge, but was finally ordered by the court to release it. Willard committed suicide and left this note with his body.

In his statement he put all the blame on Ann Miller. Shortly thereafter she was arrested. She was granted a plea bargain, yes, but never confessed. All she said was "I'm sorry about the role I played in my husband's murder." This was said at her sentencing by the way.Not quite true, Barbara2. Willoughby didn't indict Miller until he had the evidence he needed. It took LE four years to find that piece of evidence (Miller's confession) and persuade a court it must be turned over. Not many similarities between Ann Miller and Jason Young. Miller talked to cops and then lawyered up and her words finally nailed her. Jason Young has consistently remained silent. I doubt he has confessed to a lover but, hey, LE will keep looking 'cuz they got nothing much else.

Stellagant

03-18-2009, 06:03 PM

You're wrong....Ann Miller DID NOT confess. Her lover, Darrill Willard's statement to his attorney, Rick Gammon, was finally released after months and months of drama. Gammon stated attorney/client priviledge, but was finally ordered by the court to release it. Willard committed suicide and left this note with his body.

In his statement he put all the blame on Ann Miller. Shortly thereafter she was arrested. She was granted a plea bargain, yes, but never confessed. All she said was "I'm sorry about the role I played in my husband's murder." This was said at her sentencing by the way.

Funny how all you who insist I'm wrong never provide links. Here's yet another link that proves me right.

Ann Miller confessed to Derril Willard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/gammon_affadavit.PDF

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/12/48hours/main4861528_page5.shtml

"He told me that he met Ann one day in a parking lot… Ann was crying. And that she admitted to him that while Eric was in the hospital she took a syringe that contained a substance and injected it into his IV," Gammon explains. "Derril asked her, 'Why did you do this?' And she said 'I just, I don’t know why I did it."

The D.A. could now put the arsenic that killed Eric Miller in Ann's hands. As for Derril Willard, the judge revealed that Derril told his attorney that he never tried to kill Eric.