Michelle Fisher Young 3-11-2009 [Archive] - Page 2

Jester

03-12-2009, 11:30 PM

No you didn't read that in an affidavit, you read it as an allegation in the custody claim. Since that claim was settled even before Jason responded and no psych evaluation was pursued, it's just an allegation.

I don't know if Jason did put holes in walls or damaged a door. The friends who spoke to LE would only characterize what they witnessed as arguments.

It was written in a sworn affidavit. I refer you to the custody application.

When the contents of the search warrants are summarized, the comments are met with 'it doesn't say that in the search warrant.'

There is nothing in the search warrants to suggest that Michelle argued with anyone other than Jason, and it sounds like Jason was an unpleasant man who enjoyed upsetting Michelle.

You throw accusations around with nothing to back them up, but when someone concludes that Jason is abusive, you object because those exact words are not written somewhere. Why the double standard?

Doorbell

03-12-2009, 11:34 PM

Based on what I have read about Jason Young, I bet he could "force" all of the things you have listed. He was a bully and bullied Michelle into getting his own way and what HE wanted. She had the right, but as many abused women know, she may have been terrified to leave him, maybe the "I could kill u's" happened more often that we know and she was just plain afraid of him.

Maybe that is why she sought therapy?

JMO

Usually, when people rip doors off, it's done in order to frighten somebody.

Kat4Eagles

03-13-2009, 01:34 AM

Good point Kat. And, if they end up arresting someone else, you'll feel very good about having given him the benefit of the doubt vs. speaking/writing bad things about him that assume he's a murderer before he's even arrested. Bless you.

Thank you, that was very generous of you.
:)
Kat

5swab5

03-13-2009, 09:34 AM

Yes, it's one of the 10 commandments. And, if the circumstantial evidence in the SWs is true, which appears likely, then he would have committed this grave sin. Having been married 20 years (and yes, just once!), I find this sickening.

Thou shalt not kill is another commandment. Kat has chosen to not assume that he's committed this ultimate sin before he's arrested, let along found guilty by a jury. I am, and have always been, in that same camp. This doesn't mean we don't recognize that many of the things coming out about JY are reprehensible because they are.

We are not only given "commandments" and compassion, we are also given the gifts of intelligence and reasoning, they are ours to do with what we will, but I do not think they are intended to be squandered.

I wonder if the situations were reversed, would Jason afford you this blind allegiance? I sincerely doubt it, he wouldn't even stand up for his own daughter. I don't think he is the man you once thought he was, any more than he is the same little boy that grew up in Brevard. MOO

Tia

03-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Usually, when people rip doors off, it's done in order to frighten somebody.

What a big man!

I'd be willing to bet the only time he was a tough guy was when he was around women and children. A real man would scare him to death.

JMO

5swab5

03-13-2009, 11:21 AM

What a big man!

I'd be willing to bet the only time he was a tough guy was when he was around women and children. A real man would scare him to death.
JMO

No One that doesn't somehow get a kick out of seeing people frightened, punches holes in walls and rips doors off the hinges. It is a form of control. Just "look what a tough guy I am"..."think what I could do to you". Before these last SWs, I imagined that Jason was pretty passive aggressive, but I now see that he was not.

Jason may have felt very threatened by Michelle's success in the business world.JMO

Kat4Eagles

03-13-2009, 11:22 AM

What are you talking about? Could you send me that pm you are talking about?

Confused, I am really sorry about this, and it has been reported against all 3 posters.

Everyone knows or should know from reading the rules and signing the agreement to post here, that no one is allowed to harass, threaten, or cause any distress or discomfort upon another TruTV message board participant..

No personal information should be given out, especially any shared in a PM.

Also, if you receive a PM that also breaks any of the above rules, please report it..

Maybe there are other forums that do not moderate that can be used just to insult people, but not here.
:no:
Kat

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 11:31 AM

Stella. Are you saying that punching holes in walls and ripping a door off its hinges does not indicate a bad temper and lack of control?

Nope, I'm saying that part is hearsay that evidently LE wasn't able to substantiate with witnesses who actually saw it.

Tia

03-13-2009, 11:38 AM

No One that doesn't somehow get a kick out of seeing people frightened, punches holes in walls and rips doors off the hinges. It is a form of control. Just "look what a tough guy I am"..."think what I could do to you". Before these last SWs, I imagined that Jason was pretty passive aggressive, but I now see that he was not.

Jason may have felt very threatened by Michelle's success in the business world.JMO

And he also seems much more capable of murdering Michelle. I would like to hear from other girlfriends Jason has had in the past. I wonder what he was like? A cheater? A verbal abuser? Or did marriage and fatherhood bring this out in him?

Kat4Eagles

03-13-2009, 11:42 AM

Nope, I'm saying that part is hearsay that evidently LE wasn't able to substantiate with witnesses who actually saw it.

Morning, Stella.

I am still trying to make sense of everything.
I think L E has been really very thorough in finding any past history of Jason having a temper or anger issues and are now making them public.

Releasing things out of context though, makes it more difficult to get a clearer picture, but I have to admit, I don't like the way Jason talks to Kim or Michelle in the emails.

Clearly, Michelle was trying to placate Jason and make things better, and clearly, he wasn't having any........

I am just wondering why she would stay with him, he seemed very unhappy being married, I think they made a big mistake, huge, for them in getting together.

They seemed to be complete opposites, and yet, all the pics show them looking happy , but we have seen that before, too.

This is a lot to process, and I have put a lot of time in posting any thoughts or making any decisions until I am ready, but that email from Michelle has to break your heart....

JMO
Kat

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 11:43 AM

It was written in a sworn affidavit. I refer you to the custody application.

When the contents of the search warrants are summarized, the comments are met with 'it doesn't say that in the search warrant.'

There is nothing in the search warrants to suggest that Michelle argued with anyone other than Jason, and it sounds like Jason was an unpleasant man who enjoyed upsetting Michelle.

You throw accusations around with nothing to back them up, but when someone concludes that Jason is abusive, you object because those exact words are not written somewhere. Why the double standard?

You're the one who has been throwing around accusations with nothing to back them up. Yet again you claim there is a sworn affidavit from someone that supports your latest "allegation." There isn't, just as there was nothing to support your claim Jason poisoned his daughter or that Jason had an affair with Sowerby.

The custody claim itself isn't a "sworn affidavit." The Fishers were not under oath when they filed it. They did not submit to the court sworn affidavits from anyone that supports your claim:
I read an affidavit where it was stated that Jason urinated in someone's house during a party.

5swab5

03-13-2009, 11:52 AM

And he also seems much more capable of murdering Michelle. I would like to hear from other girlfriends Jason has had in the past. I wonder what he was like? A cheater? A verbal abuser? Or did marriage and fatherhood bring this out in him?

That kind of "in you face" disrespect was not only very damaging to Michelle, but potentially to Cassidy as well. Children learn what they live. I bet Cassidy's "play acting" is something to behold.

I am so thankful that she will soon be spending the majority of her time away from that violent, controlling slayer. MOO

Kat4Eagles

03-13-2009, 11:54 AM

Gee. I get email on my phone. I can even read it while doing yard work. Ain't technology grand?

We don't know for sure what kind of tech Michelle and Jason had going for them back then, though, do we?
Kat

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 11:57 AM

Morning, Stella.

I am still trying to make sense of everything.
I think L E has been really very thorough in finding any past history of Jason having a temper or anger issues and are now making them public.

Releasing things out of context though, makes it more difficult to get a clearer picture, but I have to admit, I don't like the way Jason talks to Kim or Michelle in the emails.

Clearly, Michelle was trying to placate Jason and make things better, and clearly, he wasn't having any........

I am just wondering why she would stay with him, he seemed very unhappy being married, I think they made a big mistake, huge, for them in getting together.

They seemed to be complete opposites, and yet, all the pics show them looking happy , but we have seen that before, too.

This is a lot to process, and I have put a lot of time in posting any thoughts or making any decisions until I am ready, but that email from Michelle has to break your heart....

JMO
Kat

When there is finally an arrest, the defense will point to Jason Young and LE must be prepared to show they thoroughly investigated Jason and found nothing to support his involvement. The past few search warrants have made it clear they are trying to rule out Jason Young. All these allegations made by someone like the acquaintance mentioned in the search warrant have to be investigated. It does not mean the allegation is true.

Considering the fact that Jason hasn't been arrested two years after those allegations were made, I doubt Jason had a history of punching holes in walls and tearing doors off the hinges. I doubt there was any evidence of that found in his home.

The snippet of email exchange show Michelle was apologetic for something she did to Jason. Michelle may have had quite a temper herself and decided to seek therapy for it in order to keep the marriage together.

LE also wants us to know the friends who witnessed some of her arguments with Jason described them as loud and lengthy but they never witnessed anything physical. She may have upset more people around her than just Jason. LE has said from the beginning that they are examining everyone who was close to Michelle and this remains an unsolved crime.

Doorbell

03-13-2009, 12:04 PM

Nope, I'm saying that part is hearsay that evidently LE wasn't able to substantiate with witnesses who actually saw it.

They felt comfortable enough with it to put it in a search warrant as Probable Cause.

5swab5

03-13-2009, 12:16 PM

When there is finally an arrest, the defense will point to Jason Young and LE must be prepared to show they thoroughly investigated Jason and found nothing to support his involvement. The past few search warrants have made it clear they are trying to rule out Jason Young. All these allegations made by someone like the acquaintance mentioned in the search warrant have to be investigated. It does not mean the allegation is true.(snipped)

The snippet of email exchange show Michelle was apologetic for something she did to Jason. Michelle may have had quite a temper herself and decided to seek therapy for it in order to keep the marriage together. (snipped)

IF you even believe that the last few SWs were issued to "rule Jason out", you are close to the only one on the planet and in for a rude awakening.

You have no idea what Michelle sought therapy for. Hmm, with a toddler in the house and a raging, cheating, controlling, destructive husband...more likely she was seeking guidance on how to get away...without getting killed! He had already voiced that option over yard work, for heaven's sake.

As for their public displays..Jason is neither the first husband nor the last to keep it somewhat in check when others are around. Behind closed doors is another matter all together. IF only Michelle's friend had spent the night after Gray's Anatomy. MOO

Tia

03-13-2009, 12:16 PM

They felt comfortable enough with it to put it in a search warrant as Probable Cause.
Kind of like the keys that we heard so much about. Yet ANOTHER blown theory!

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 12:34 PM

IF you even believe that the last few SWs were issued to "rule Jason out", you are close to the only one on the planet and in for a rude awakening.

You have no idea what Michelle sought therapy for. Hmm, with a toddler in the house and a raging, cheating, controlling, destructive husband...more likely she was seeking guidance on how to get away...without getting killed! He had already voiced that option over yard work, for heaven's sake.

As for their public displays..Jason is neither the first husband nor the last to keep it somewhat in check when others are around. Behind closed doors is another matter all together. IF only Michelle's friend had spent the night after Gray's Anatomy. MOO

you've promised I'm in for a "rude awakening" for over two years now.

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I know. Because if you did, you wouldn't be making such silly predictions.

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 12:35 PM

They felt comfortable enough with it to put it in a search warrant as Probable Cause.

yet not comfortable enough to put it in an arrest warrant.:rolleyes:

5swab5

03-13-2009, 12:40 PM

you've promised I'm in for a "rude awakening" for over two years now.

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I know. Because if you did, you wouldn't be making such silly predictions.

Going by your track record on past predictions, I would say that I do. MOO

5swab5

03-13-2009, 12:45 PM

yet not comfortable enough to put it in an arrest warrant.:rolleyes:

I have yet to see LE spell out every little detail, even in an arrest warrant. Why should they let Jason know the direction that they are taking? We know from one SW that he has been in contact with some of their witnesses. Even tho, I would love to know what all they have, I am content knowing that Jason doesn't know either. A slayer would think nothing of tampering with witnesses.MOO

Tia

03-13-2009, 01:55 PM

I doubt you know much of anything, and its clear to many here that the continued SW's that get released do nothing to dissuade you from defending the named slayer Jason Young. Your insinuations Meredith has some involvement are laughable, as is your prediction Cassidy will go back to Jason full time by the end of the August transition.
JMO

I must have missed that one!! Why would Cassidy be going back? After reading that SW, I think that he would have a hard time getting her back full time.

I wonder if the info in the s/w's could be enough for a "change of circumstances" for the Fisher's?

5swab5

03-13-2009, 02:31 PM

Tia

03-13-2009, 02:38 PM

Search Warrants in an ongoing investigation of a brutal double homicide, pertaining to the slayer, will never constitute harassment in my book.

Maybe they only mentioned those two women, because Jason hasn't gotten around to sleeping with all the married ones that post there. :shrug: MOO

And Jason could put a stop to all of it if he opened his mouth. No more "harassment" for poor Jason.

Stellagant

03-13-2009, 02:52 PM

I doubt you know much of anything, and its clear to many here that the continued SW's that get released do nothing to dissuade you from defending the named slayer Jason Young. Your insinuations Meredith has some involvement are laughable, as is your prediction Cassidy will go back to Jason full time by the end of the August transition.
JMO

I at least know proper grammar and usually ignore it if the posting otherwise has value.

Your rude rants aren't worth the time.

:seeya:

Tia

03-13-2009, 03:32 PM

Stella & Confused, just put me on ignore then. This isnt an English Language forum. :rolleyes: I have no use for either of your posts anyway!

JMO

They are harassing you and it should be reported to the moderator. Its a violation of the TOS.

Cardinal

03-13-2009, 07:30 PM

Do you have a link that he slept with CS?

For quite some time, no one had a link to Jason sleeping with MM - but that turned out to be true, didn't it?

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 08:28 PM

For quite some time, no one had a link to Jason sleeping with MM - but that turned out to be true, didn't it?

I don't believe it really matters anyway. It's known that he didn't value his marriage vows. From the emails it seems he didn't value his wife much at all. There is so much against this man that I have to agree with all of those who have been defending him: why hasn't he been arrested??? The only reason that I can figure is that they are so afraid that they might get just one of these people on the jury who want it proved beyond ALL doubt, not REASONABLE doubt. IMO

Cardinal

03-13-2009, 08:49 PM

I don't believe it really matters anyway. It's known that he didn't value his marriage vows. From the emails it seems he didn't value his wife much at all. There is so much against this man that I have to agree with all of those who have been defending him: why hasn't he been arrested??? The only reason that I can figure is that they are so afraid that they might get just one of these people on the jury who want it proved beyond ALL doubt, not REASONABLE doubt. IMO

You could be right, Barbara. It has certainly been proven here that a mountain of CE isn't sufficient for some people to even consider the possibility that Jason killed Michelle.

And no, Jason didn't value his marriage vows. In fact, it appears that he didn't even acknowledge them. It seems that the only thing Jason Young values is a certain part of his anatomy. Not his wife, not his daughter - just his own gratification.

How very sad. A beautiful, intelligent wife and a precious daughter. And he didn't care.

JMO

ETA: I'm going to go now. This just absolutely breaks my heart.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 08:52 PM

You could be right, Barbara. It has certainly been proven here that a mountain of CE isn't sufficient for some people to even consider the possibility that Jason killed Michelle.

And no, Jason didn't value his marriage vows. In fact, it appears that he didn't even acknowledge them. It seems that the only thing Jason Young values is a certain part of his anatomy. Not his wife, not his daughter - just his own gratification.

JMO

Someone suggested at another site that they may have an audio recording of Jason in his call to Meredith that day. Wouldn't that be interesting to hear? I would LOVE to hear what he sounded like in his call.

achristie

03-13-2009, 09:42 PM

Someone suggested at another site that they may have an audio recording of Jason in his call to Meredith that day. Wouldn't that be interesting to hear? I would LOVE to hear what he sounded like in his call.

It would definitely be interesting to hear. Another interesting fact would be how many times in the past he called MF. I've a sense it wasn't very often; hence the "fluke" comment.

MOO Aggie

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 09:49 PM

It would definitely be interesting to hear. Another interesting fact would be how many times in the past he called MF. I've a sense it wasn't very often; hence the "fluke" comment.

MOO Aggie

I'm sure that the records collected by LE have that information recorded as well. I have NO DOUBT that he never called her 28 times in one day! I doubt he even called his wife that often, even when he was cussing her out and threatening her. IMO

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:17 PM

It must be proved beyond any doubt that someone is guilty. Do you mean you would convict someone of murder if you had reasonable doubt? I hope if you are ever selected for jury duty you are honest and tell the judge this.

Oh my goodness! You may need to read again. The criteria is "beyond all REASONABLE doubt". It is not "beyond ANY doubt". That's exactly what I said. The jury is instructed to find a defendant guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. There are some on here that feel that it needs to be beyond ALL doubt. Are you one of those? If so, YOU should be excused from any jury. IMO

Jester

03-13-2009, 10:20 PM

With each new warrant that gets released shows me that LE is trying every way they can to put JY as the killer and they just can't. If after 2 + years they are still looking at his new emails shows me they have no evidence. Looks like they are hoping JY will tell somebody something in an email about the killing. Two different shoe prints in the bedroom , keys left in wrong place, child running around the house , child in bed covered up, child clean in the bloodiest crime scene LE has seen , car seen at the home 3:47 minutes to 2:47 minutes from when we know JY was in Wytheville, Va. Wytheville is a hundred ninety eight point ninety one miles from Raleigh estimated driving time 3 hrs. 21 minutes. What we don't know is if JY was at the motel the morning of the 3rd. Did he get his receipt the night before or did he get it from under his door the morning of the 3rd? They pointed out two women on one of these web sights where JY was registered. To me that points to LE trying to taint a jury pool. There probably are several people on those sites he knows why point out these two? Desperation? I have a Bebo account where I keep up with my friends from school. Doesn't mean I'm having affairs with them but IMO thats what LE wanted to infer with the way this warrant read. If they are so sure he killed his wife arrest him and give him a change to prove he didn't or if they can prove he did. When does warrants go from collecting evidence to harassment?
PS: You misspelled character and judgment . You are always so kind to point out my mistakes just returning the favor.

I think you can stop worrying about the jury pool. Raleigh is a thriving community near Duke U. Very few locals follow this case as they have many more important things to consider. The high crime rate in NC is not a priority in the community as a conversation topic, and a discussion board is not a place to assess jury pools.

You keep up on Bebo with friends from school?

It was clear, from reading recent warrants, that they have been granted partially because there is no information from the husband. Police had to obtain statements from other people, find corroborating statements, and build an argument to justify exploring Jason's actions, timelines, phone activity, statements to other people, normal household routines, and alibi to attempt to eliminate him. For two+ years, the police have not been able to eliminate him as the primary suspect. Until he can be eliminated or speaks, there will be more search warrants and it will not be considered harassment. Police are trying to solve a brutal murder, and even though Jason has the right to remain mute, his involvement can be explored by whatever means necessary.

The only person that I remember having spelling mistakes corrected was June. She had terrible spelling, but you know that because you've followed the case.

Cheers

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:25 PM

<snipped>

You keep up on Bebo with friends from school?

It was my understanding that Bebo is pretty much a teen version of Facebook. :shrug: I thought that classmates was the place people kept up with those from school. JMO

gbmy

03-13-2009, 10:25 PM

We are not only given "commandments" and compassion, we are also given the gifts of intelligence and reasoning, they are ours to do with what we will, but I do not think they are intended to be squandered.

I wonder if the situations were reversed, would Jason afford you this blind allegiance? I sincerely doubt it, he wouldn't even stand up for his own daughter. I don't think he is the man you once thought he was, any more than he is the same little boy that grew up in Brevard. MOO
Well, going by the odds of those who follow this board, I'd say if the situations were reversed, those giving me allegiance ,albeit blind or otherwise would be very much in the minority. I clearly would have no way of knowing if JY would be in that minority or not. But even if he wasn't and turned out to be amongst those who chastized me, that'd be his choice. If I was innocent I wouldn't appreciate him doing that.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:26 PM

Well, going by the odds of those who follow this board, I'd say if the situations were reversed, those giving me allegiance ,albeit blind or otherwise would be very much in the minority. I clearly would have no way of knowing if JY would be in that minority or not. But even if he wasn't and turned out to be amongst those who chastized me, that'd be his choice. If I was innocent I wouldn't appreciate him doing that.

What if, by chance, you were guilty?

gbmy

03-13-2009, 10:31 PM

It WAS phrased much stronger than that, wasn't it? :) And, honestly, at this point, I'm close to that phrasing myself.

At this point, I am having real difficulty in making the distinctions that objectivity requires. See, I think Michelle Young was an extraordinary woman, so I'm having trouble with the fact that her husband completely disrespected that.

Goodnight :seeya:
Yes, I very much agree with you. After 20 years of marriage, it makes me very thankful for my spouse who, although argued with me many times, did so with respect. I 'think' she feels the same way!

Jester

03-13-2009, 10:32 PM

Do you have a link that he slept with CS?

Caroll Anne Sowerby was mentioned, several times I might add, in the three recently released search warrants because she spent October 21 and 22, 2006, in the home of Michelle and Jason Young and enjoyed regular online contact with Jason until last week. Timelines indicate that Michelle was away with Cassidy at that time of Caroll Anne's visit. There is no information to prove that Jason and Caroll Anne had sex, but one does have to wonder what they did together, alone, for two days. Maybe they watched cartoons and roasted marshmallows. Regardless, it's highly questionable for two married people to arrange a weekend alone, without spouses.

Given Jason's documented email in search warrants, on May 18, 2006, he was in touch with an attendee at the camp where he was a counselor years earlier; the same camp that Caroll Anne attended. In that email exchange, he suggested that he was single and had not married. It looks like he was talking to one woman about another woman, making some comment about the other woman being pretty - but they're a dime a dozen, or millions of them. I don't remember his exact words.

No link to them sleeping together, but there is evidence that Jason was on the make and Caroll Anne was a target. Further evidence is available that she arranged a private weekend with him two weeks before Michelle was murdered. I think most people can see the writing on the wall, but we can debate if you like.

Jester

03-13-2009, 10:36 PM

I at least know proper grammar and usually ignore it if the posting otherwise has value.

Your rude rants aren't worth the time.

:seeya:

Did you have a chance to read up on quantitative analysis and stats yet?

Do you mean you ignore a comment if it has no value, or otherwise has value?

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:39 PM

Yes, I very much agree with you. After 20 years of marriage, it makes me very thankful for my spouse who, although argued with me many times, did so with respect. I 'think' she feels the same way!

After 32 years of marriage, NEVER has my spouse said kidding or otherwise that he could kill me. Never have I said that. It is not normal. It is not normal to talk to your spouse that way. It is not normal to talk about your child that way. There is no excusing his language or behavior, IMO. Would you take your two year old and BEER to the swimming pool when you were the one responsible for that two year old?

achristie

03-13-2009, 10:40 PM

I think we need to meet this June shes sounds interesting. What we really need is a June forum. Ihate so much time is taken from discussing MY because people are obsessed with June. I just saw on another forum where shes a lesbin I wrecken that there means shes like them girls. Boy yous all was crazed for driven her off a lot of girls here. I wrecken she don't liken mt boys. Shucks

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/14-vt132.html?start=325

:confused: Way off topic, I'd say. Not to mention I have no idea what you are talking about in your post. To wit: " Boy yous all was crazed for driven her off a lot of girls here".

Let's get back to discussing the murder of MY.

MOO Aggie

gbmy

03-13-2009, 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=Barbara2;12891050]What if, by chance, you were guilty?[/QUOTE
Someone who was truly guilty of such a heinous crime doesn't care much about how prescious human life is so therefore would not likely care about being chastized.

achristie

03-13-2009, 10:46 PM

After 32 years of marriage, NEVER has my spouse said kidding or otherwise that he could kill me. Never have I said that. It is not normal. It is not normal to talk to your spouse that way. It is not normal to talk about your child that way. There is no excusing his language or behavior, IMO. Would you take your two year old and BEER to the swimming pool when you were the one responsible for that two year old?

Coming up on 36 years here. We've had our battles but those words have never been spoken. I must admit, I am shocked by the words in this latest SW; not only his disdain for his wife, but his disdain for his sweet, little daughter. I'm hoping he didn't take beer to the pool with his little girl. I'm hoping it was an empty threat just made to make his wife suffer for leaving him in charge.

MOO Aggie

gbmy

03-13-2009, 10:50 PM

After 32 years of marriage, NEVER has my spouse said kidding or otherwise that he could kill me. Never have I said that. It is not normal. It is not normal to talk to your spouse that way. It is not normal to talk about your child that way. There is no excusing his language or behavior, IMO. Would you take your two year old and BEER to the swimming pool when you were the one responsible for that two year old?
I understand and agree.......and no, I would not be bringing/drinking beer at a swimming pool if I was the sole adult responsible for watching my 2 year old or any young child.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:52 PM

What if, by chance, you were guilty?
Someone who was truly guilty of such a heinous crime doesn't care much about how prescious human life is so therefore would not likely care about being chastized.

I think you are correct. I think that there might be anecdotal evidence that the person in question didn't care about being chastised either. Ya think he's guilty?

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 10:54 PM

I understand and agree.......and no, I would not be bringing/drinking beer at a swimming pool if I was the sole adult responsible for watching my 2 year old or any young child.

I really, REALLY appreciate your honesty. Thanks!

Jester

03-13-2009, 10:56 PM

So are you saying you think someday it will be proved? Until that day arrives its nothing but another rumor.

Never say "nothing but another rumor" after two years of arguing that Michelle Money and Jason were not really having an affair. They were. Early warrants suggested it was an affair, and later warrants spelled it out in no uncertain terms. The latter warrants finally sidelined that particular debate. Is it reasonable to start in on Caroll Anne now? Defending her and arguing the point may be worse than accepting what appears to be true.

It was stated for 2 years, and argued, that Michelle Money and Jason Young were having a sexual relationship. It may not have been spelled out in those exact words in the early warrants, but most people understood. She admitted it early on, but that didn't stop the rumor and debate. She was dragged through the mud for 2 years. Now we have Caroll Anne Sowerby. Should we drag her through two years of round and round discussion, or put her down as one more married woman that Jason seduced while married to Michelle and leave it at that?

What would be the most respectful thing to do? Drag her name on to a discussion board day after day claiming she didn't have sex with Jason until the warrants spell it out, or accept that it is a possibility and let it go.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:00 PM

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:03 PM

gbmy

03-13-2009, 11:04 PM

I think you are correct. I think that there might be anecdotal evidence that the person in question didn't care about being chastised either. Ya think he's guilty?
Given he committed adultery + other things about him that have been made public in the SWs, he's lost my respect in a big way. I don't think he murdered Michelle though. And, if it's determined he did, I'd want him behind bars for the rest of his life. Based on my beliefs, there will come a day of ultimate judgement for all of us. That judgement will be divine not subjective.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:09 PM

You think Bebo is for kids? Where did you get that idea?

Kids? Virtual social club? Hook up joint? What kind of place is Bebo? I saw it on the warrants and have no idea what the attraction is. Is it a place to find people that attended the same grade schools? ... bring me up to speed.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 11:10 PM

Given he committed adultery + other things about him that have been made public about him in the SWs, he's lost my respect in a big way. I don't think he murdered Michelle though. And, if it's determined he did, I'd want him behind bars for the rest of his life. Based on my beliefs, there will come a day of ultimate judgement for all of us. That judgement will be divine not subjective.

I am with you. I didn't want to believe he was guilty when I first heard about this case either. It just didn't make sense that the husband would throw away this "perfect life". And I don't even know him. Since even the beginning evidence came out, I changed my mind. Since the later evidence came out, I have no doubt. I can certainly understand as someone who knows the persons involved that it's tough to accept that he is guilty. I'm not sure that you can hold out much longer though. IMO

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:12 PM

I was only responding to Jester . Sorry it bothered you. Jester shame on you for getting me in trouble.

I am not responsible for your tangents about June's online difficulties or spelling mistakes.

I am here to discuss the details of the murder of Michelle Fisher Young.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 11:18 PM

I wasn't posting 6 months ago.

Under this nic? Were you posting under another? I'm sure CW knows. IMO

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:19 PM

The only evidence I've seen this far is he had an affair. Does an affair make a killer? I can't see where LE has put him anywhere near Raleigh the night of the murder. I think the fact that the paper man saw a car at the house 3 hours and 40 minutes or maybe even 2 hours and 40 minutes for where JY was at 7:40 AM makes me think they will never convict him of this murder. I don't believe he did it. Did he love MY ? No I don't think he did . I think that was a marriage that should never have happened .

The only evidence is an affair? He has no alibi for the time of the murder, and it has been established that he had means, motive, and opportunity to commit the murder. Is that not more evidence than an affair?

You've posted the time that the vehicle was spotted outside the home twice now as 3:40 or 2:40. It wasn't 2:40. You've been following the case, so double check your facts. It was closer to 4 am that a vehicle was spotted outside the home with all the house lights turned on. Suggesting that the time was 2:40 or 3:40 is misleading and false.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:21 PM

Well, ya got me there...because the PM box on IS isn't big enough to hold PMs for six months. I am not sure anyone would even remember the argument about miscarriages on the board because you had CW take it down after you knew you had hurt my feelings. Perhaps CW still has that PM from you or remembers the request.

So, I will drop it because I cannot prove it (unless CW cares to back me on this and I doubt it). But, I have a mind like a steel trap and don't believe I am "confused."

Good night.
I remember the debate about miscarriage, car accidents, time that Michelle got pregnant, and other details. I remember that the discussion was removed and a request was made not to discuss those particular details again. That was at least a year ago.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 11:21 PM

The only evidence is an affair? He has no alibi for the time of the murder, and it has been established that he had means, motive, and opportunity to commit the murder. Is that not more evidence than an affair?

You've posted the time that the vehicle was spotted outside the home twice now as 3:40 or 2:40. It wasn't 2:40. You've been following the case, so double check your facts. It was closer to 4 am that a vehicle was spotted outside the home with all the house lights turned on. Suggesting that the time was 2:40 or 3:40 is misleading and false.

And the pool of dna found on the jewelry box (from which jewelry was missing) includes him.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:26 PM

And the pool of dna found on the jewelry box (from which jewelry was missing) includes him.

I haven't read about DNA on the jewelry box. I know that Jason's DNA is mixed with Michelle's blood on the wall, but perhaps someone will argue that it was underneath her blood so it isn't evidence of a murder. I find that surprising, but there must be something to argue in the blood evidence on the wall to suggest that it didn't happen at the time of the murder. Is there anything to suggest that the DNA was put there at the time of the murder, or is it evidence that he was merely snooping in his wife's jewelry box?

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:26 PM

This is the nic she is talking about.

Who are you talking about?

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:32 PM

This may have been a different argument Jester. There was a specific one about the reasons for miscarriage when someone is 5 months along. It is actually quote rare with most common reasons being an incompetent cervix or get an infection after you get past 20 weeks. After "debating" I had enough and outted myself as someone who has had a struggle getting and staying pregnant. Still struggling, actually.

It is something very painful for me and thus why I remember the conversation on the board and the PMs that were spawned from it.

It sounds like the same discussion. What I remember is a discussion about miscarriage based on fetal injury. The discussion devolved into a question about how many weeks gestation and so on.

If the discussion wasn't on this thread, then I don't know. That is the only context in this discussion that I recall.

Best of luck ... may you be blessed with a child soon.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:34 PM

Jester I was talking to barbara2. She got into my quarrel .

So who are you talking about?

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 11:35 PM

There are games being played by a poster but CW is well aware based upon IP addresses. Best to not derail the Michelle board over irrelevant nonsense, IMO.

Jester

03-13-2009, 11:56 PM

Got it Barbara. I am back on subject now! Won't carry it on any further.

So, anyone have any guesses on what the monetary damages will be next week?

I expect that the entire life insurance proceeds will be handed to Cassidy (as they should), and Meredith makes a very suitable executor. If Linda is appointed executor, she will ensure that Cassidy has the lifestyle that she would have enjoyed had her mother Michelle lived. As for court costs, funeral expenses, and other receivables, Jason has a judgement against him, where he will possibly be required to liquidate assets to settle debts.

I look forward to reading the decision.

Barbara2

03-13-2009, 11:58 PM

Got it Barbara. I am back on subject now! Won't carry it on any further.

So, anyone have any guesses on what the monetary damages will be next week?

I'm not sure it matters. He seems to have given up everything so I doubt any monetary awards will make a difference. He's already done. IMO

Doorbell

03-14-2009, 12:06 AM

It must be proved beyond any doubt that someone is guilty. Do you mean you would convict someone of murder if you had reasonable doubt? I hope if you are ever selected for jury duty you are honest and tell the judge this.

That is the standard required by law. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

It means just that. Beyond a reasonable doubt. It does not have to be proved beyond any doubt.

IMO

gbmy

03-14-2009, 12:15 AM

Aside from your relationship with people on the board, have you read the a case? It there any particular reason why you think Jason is innocent?
Oh yes........I joined this board in December of 2006 just 1 short month after the murder and have followed it since then......sometimes silently reading, and other times heavily participating. I've also read all of the warrants. And, although I do believe he's innocent, I clearly have my doubts given some of the things we've learned about this guy. Is there any particular reason why I think he's innocent? Yes. It's the hours and 'time of day' he would have had to drive coupled with the horrific, brutal nature of the crime. I think 'if' he did plan to drive back, then I would have thougt the means in which he chose to kill her would have been different. Suffocation, drugging, something quiet and discrete. Yes, I know it's possible Michelle was awoken and put up the fight of her life which resulted in a rage based killing. I just struggle with that scenario.

Leanne Weich

03-14-2009, 12:41 AM

Jester

03-14-2009, 12:49 AM

Oh yeah...he is beyond done. And actually, you would have to think that whatever monetary damages they pin on him will just dissuade him from ever getting another job (should he be lucky enough to continue to stay out of prison somehow). He won't see much of anything he makes. I think Meredith should ask for support, as well. I just don't think you can "stick it to" JY enough.

Dissuade him from working??? He was fired long before this happened and he doesn't appear to be particularly interested in working since he was fired. Even convicts find jobs, so there's no excuse for this unconvicted primary suspect to be unemployed. I hardly think we can give him the excuse of a wrongful death suit for his lethargy.

What do you mean when you say "he won't see much of what he makes?" He has the condo, he can liquidate before he has to give up a career to avoid settling his debts. He's a professional, he can make 10$ in a couple of months living with mom. I'm not sure we're seeing this from the same perspective. The funeral and extraneous costs do not have to be repaid with a minimum wage job, so it won't take years of garnisheed wages to end it. Jason can end it in no time when he decides to work for a living. 4K a month is peanuts for professionals, and enough for Jason to pay his debt in less than a year with plenty left over for vacations with mom.

Jester

03-14-2009, 01:01 AM

Oh yes........I joined this board in December of 2006 just 1 short month after the murder and have followed it since then......sometimes silently reading, and other times heavily participating. I've also read all of the warrants. And, although I do believe he's innocent, I clearly have my doubts given some of the things we've learned about this guy. Is there any particular reason why I think he's innocent? Yes. It's the hours and 'time of day' he would have had to drive coupled with the horrific, brutal nature of the crime. I think 'if' he did plan to drive back, then I would have thougt the means in which he chose to kill her would have been different. Suffocation, drugging, something quiet and discrete. Yes, I know it's possible Michelle was awoken and put up the fight of her life which resulted in a rage based killing. I just struggle with that scenario.

Interesting. Thanks for bringing me up to speed. There are other documented cases of men that have established an alibi and then driven through the night to commit murder, only to be back where they should be a little late the next morning. The method is not unique. I think Jason felt completely relieved after the murders, like Neil Entwhistle after shooting his infant daughter in the chest. Jason was apparently in such good spirits that he had 28 phone contacts with mom on the morning after the murder, and spent at least an hour on the phone with one of his girlfriends. He suspiciously avoided Linda's phone calls, and his only contact with Meredith, that we know of, is in a voice message. It is not unusual for men that murder their wives to feel relieved after ridding themselves of the responsibility of marriage, bills, children, and parenting. Jason had a vicious temper, enough to put holes in walls and damage doors. He had a lot of anger to release, and it all came unhinged with the 10-20 blows to Michelle's head on the night of November 6, 2006. Then, he relaxed. There are many articles available on the psychology of spousal homicide that explain how Jason could have planned to murder his wife, planned a pseudo alibi, felt relieved after the fact, and perplexed most normal people.

The police said in their early reports that Michelle put up the fight of her life for up to 15 minutes, and lost. The murder was not only described as brutal, but also prolonged.

Jester

03-14-2009, 01:05 AM

Doesn't the fact that she had marks on her neck which indicate that strangulation was probably the intended method of committing this murder, enforce the scenario you set out above? I'm not trying to get you to change your mind - just wondering if, given your above scenario, the facts don't match, in your opinion.

Although there were marks on the neck, indicating attempted strangulation, Jason had another weapon that was used to commit the murder. It's also possible that the marks on Michelle's neck were caused by Jason attempting to subdue Michelle while he beat her with the murder weapon. As far as I know, the murder weapon has not been found. If strangulation was not the intended cause of death, he wouldn't have had an extra weapon. If he had to improvise and use something that was handy, something would have been missing from the scene. Nothing like a weapon has been reported missing, so Jason must have had a weapon when he came home to murder Michelle.

luna24

03-14-2009, 01:13 AM

you've promised I'm in for a "rude awakening" for over two years now.

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I know. Because if you did, you wouldn't be making such silly predictions.

I'm confused..didn't you just join in January of this year? :confused:

Jester

03-14-2009, 01:32 AM

Jester

03-14-2009, 01:33 AM

I'm confused..didn't you just join in January of this year? :confused:

Excellent point.

Leanne Weich

03-14-2009, 01:57 AM

Let me correct an earlier comment: If strangulation was the intended cause of murder, he would not have had another weapon. He did have another weapon, so it's not likely that strangulation was his murder method. The person who murdered Michelle took a weapon to the scene. Strangulation marks are as deceptive as the wrong shoe size.

Jester, in one of the early SWs, didn't LE refer to items removed which may have been the murder weapon? If something, like a candlestick holder for example was missing, would anyone know? That, imo, would have been a valid reason for JY to do a walkthrough immediately after he returned to Raleigh. I'm not so sure that he didn't just grab something already in the bedroom. I just looked around my bedroom and there are a number of things that could be used as a weapon which could inflict the kind of damage inflicted on Michelle.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 09:15 AM

5swab5

03-14-2009, 09:21 AM

I am thinking that the settlement will be large and that a year or two of working won't pay it off....I guess that remains to be seen.

I can't imagine Linda and Meredith not getting everything that should belong to Michelle, and by default...Cassidy. IIRC, the WDS presumes that Jason predeceased Michelle. So he shouldn't have any claim to anything. MOO

gbmy

03-14-2009, 09:46 AM

Doesn't the fact that she had marks on her neck which indicate that strangulation was probably the intended method of committing this murder, enforce the scenario you set out above? I'm not trying to get you to change your mind - just wondering if, given your above scenario, the facts don't match, in your opinion.
I have considered that scenario and realize that things could have played out in that sequence. For it to have been JY, I just have this picture in my mind of him quietly tip toe'ing through the house in the wee hours of the morning, walking into his own bedroom and seeing a much smaller Michelle in REM sleep.......I then think about nature of the murder and 'the bloodiest crime scene LE has ever seen' and I can't take that next mental step to envision it was him. I am, however, aware of the other possibilities that could have changed that picture I have in my mind.

gbmy

03-14-2009, 09:51 AM

Interesting. Thanks for bringing me up to speed. There are other documented cases of men that have established an alibi and then driven through the night to commit murder, only to be back where they should be a little late the next morning. The method is not unique. I think Jason felt completely relieved after the murders, like Neil Entwhistle after shooting his infant daughter in the chest. Jason was apparently in such good spirits that he had 28 phone contacts with mom on the morning after the murder, and spent at least an hour on the phone with one of his girlfriends. He suspiciously avoided Linda's phone calls, and his only contact with Meredith, that we know of, is in a voice message. It is not unusual for men that murder their wives to feel relieved after ridding themselves of the responsibility of marriage, bills, children, and parenting. Jason had a vicious temper, enough to put holes in walls and damage doors. He had a lot of anger to release, and it all came unhinged with the 10-20 blows to Michelle's head on the night of November 6, 2006. Then, he relaxed. There are many articles available on the psychology of spousal homicide that explain how Jason could have planned to murder his wife, planned a pseudo alibi, felt relieved after the fact, and perplexed most normal people.

The police said in their early reports that Michelle put up the fight of her life for up to 15 minutes, and lost. The murder was not only described as brutal, but also prolonged.
Yes, all good points. It's just that there are very few things in life that are 100% unprecedented. You can virtually always point to some similar, if not identical case. If this case was 100% unique, my belief in his innocence would be even stronger.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 10:06 AM

It must be proved beyond any doubt that someone is guilty. Do you mean you would convict someone of murder if you had reasonable doubt? I hope if you are ever selected for jury duty you are honest and tell the judge this.

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? You are woefully ill informed. It is you who should inform any Judge of your obvious biases.

The standard in a Criminal Trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt".

It is not required that the state prove guilt beyond all possible doubt. The test is one of reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt is a doubt based upon reason and common sense----the kind of doubt that would make a reasonable person hesitate to act. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, must be proof of such a convincing character that a reasonable person would not hesitate to rely and act upon it.

http://www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/jury/crim/reasonable.htm

One of the examples that is used from time to time is the one about you walking outside in the morning and the sun is shining, but the ground is soaking wet, water is running in the gutters along the street and there are standing puddles of water all about. Even tho you did not see it rain, you should have no doubt that it did in fact rain overnight. (This example does not work, if your sprinkler system is on the fritz, but I assume you knew that. :wink:)MOO

gbmy

03-14-2009, 10:08 AM

GBMY,

I'm wondering how you are justifying Jason allowing himself to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy. Neither of these appear to be the actions of a rational, yet alone innocent man.
Here's how. NC has the death penalty. His attorney is being paid to defend him from the ultimate punishment and, as part of that, has advised JY to not talk (yes, that raises the whole other discussion about silence=strong suspicion of guilt). Showing up at the civil suit would have required him to talk. I believe that when the attorney weighed death with allowing JY to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy, he opted for the latter. Either outcome is very, very bad. It's hard to give up custody of your kid. Some may say it's something you 'just wouldn't do'. But, given the possible other outcome, I can see why he'd do it.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 10:31 AM

Here's how. NC has the death penalty. His attorney is being paid to defend him from the ultimate punishment and, as part of that, has advised JY to not talk (yes, that raises the whole other discussion about silence=strong suspicion of guilt). Showing up at the civil suit would have required him to talk. I believe that when the attorney weighed death with allowing JY to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy, he opted for the latter. Either outcome is very, very bad. It's hard to give up custody of your kid. Some may say it's something you 'just wouldn't do'. But, given the possible other outcome, I can see why he'd do it.

Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. An innocent man IMO, would move heaven and earth to not only find out who annihilated his wife and unborn son, but would also not allow his only daughter to be raised by someone else, nor would he allow himself to be declared a slayer. No Way, No How.

You gotta ask yourself, if they have so much evidence that the outcome of Jason speaking is even worse than what happened when he didn't speak...what all DO they have? What is an innocent man so afraid of?MOO

gbmy

03-14-2009, 11:27 AM

Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. An innocent man IMO, would move heaven and earth to not only find out who annihilated his wife and unborn son, but would also not allow his only daughter to be raised by someone else, nor would he allow himself to be declared a slayer. No Way, No How.

You gotta ask yourself, if they have so much evidence that the outcome of Jason speaking is even worse than what happened when he didn't speak...what all DO they have? What is an innocent man so afraid of?MOO
Yes, that is the whole 'if you were innocent you'd talk' school of thought. .....Even his sibling in the emails published in the SWs sees it that way.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 11:44 AM

Yes, that is the whole 'if you were innocent you'd talk' school of thought. .....Even his sibling in the emails published in the SWs sees it that way.

What about the single use of his keycard at the hotel? We know that he was in the lobby again and had changed into the now missing clothes, because he was caught on tape. What about the little rock in the lock trick? Seems the only time the employees have ever found one, was that night, when Jason just so happened to be checked in there and his wife and son just so happened to be murdered. MOO

ETA, also curious what you think about the extra gas that Jason had in his car by the time he made it to Duffield, per the latest SWs.

annalyzer

03-14-2009, 02:03 PM

snip~
The police said in their early reports that Michelle put up the fight of her life for up to 15 minutes, and lost. The murder was not only described as brutal, but also prolonged.

This is the first I've heard this. I only remember that there was a "struggle" involved. Of course Michelle would struggle during an attempted strangulation. I don't believe it would take even one minute for Jason to beat Michelle down to where she couldn't move/resist/struggle. If she fought her attacker for fifteen minutes then I'd say the attacker was someone more her size/strength, not Jason.

Cardinal

03-14-2009, 02:29 PM

This is the first I've heard this. I only remember that there was a "struggle" involved. Of course Michelle would struggle during an attempted strangulation. I don't believe it would take even one minute for Jason to beat Michelle down to where she couldn't move/resist/struggle. If she fought her attacker for fifteen minutes then I'd say the attacker was someone more her size/strength, not Jason.

Hi, anna :seeya:

It's the first I've heard of it too. I went back through several articles, but the only reference I could find was this one:

"Despite the appearance of defensive wounds on her hands and the fact a hair was found in her hand, authorities haven't said what they have learned from the autopsy that might help their investigation.

"There was a struggle, and let me just stop at that," Harrison said."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1175401/

If there's a more specific reference, I'd like to see it.

annalyzer

03-14-2009, 04:47 PM

I don't remember hearing how long they thought she fought either. But, I disagree with how long before Jason or anyone could have subdued her. Adrenaline is a VERY powerful thing. Someone fighting for his/her life cannot be underestimated.

Yes and I would say the attacker had a much more powerful adrenaline rush going than Michelle who may have been sleeping at the time. Just sit and look at a clock and watch a minute go by.

annalyzer

03-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Hi, anna :seeya:

It's the first I've heard of it too. I went back through several articles, but the only reference I could find was this one:

"Despite the appearance of defensive wounds on her hands and the fact a hair was found in her hand, authorities haven't said what they have learned from the autopsy that might help their investigation.

"There was a struggle, and let me just stop at that," Harrison said."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1175401/

If there's a more specific reference, I'd like to see it.

Hi Card!! So what is up Monday? Some kind of money issue?

alterEgo©

03-14-2009, 05:56 PM

Hi Card!! So what is up Monday? Some kind of money issue?
I believe the judge decides the punitive and compensatory damages in the WDS.

Jester

03-14-2009, 05:56 PM

This is the first I've heard this. I only remember that there was a "struggle" involved. Of course Michelle would struggle during an attempted strangulation. I don't believe it would take even one minute for Jason to beat Michelle down to where she couldn't move/resist/struggle. If she fought her attacker for fifteen minutes then I'd say the attacker was someone more her size/strength, not Jason.

I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the murderer, I think it has to do with how many times she was hit, and how long it took until she stopped fighting back. I'll see if I can find the article. Keep in mind that someone of any size can quickly murder with a gun or a well placed blow. Michelle had defensive wounds, so she fought to prevent being hit in places that would be fatal. With the number of injuries to her head alone, we know that this wasn't over quickly.

Not surprisingly, many of the earlier articles seem to no longer be available.

alterEgo©

03-14-2009, 06:07 PM

And the pool of dna found on the jewelry box (from which jewelry was missing) includes him.Pool of DNA?

gbmy

03-14-2009, 06:12 PM

What about the single use of his keycard at the hotel? We know that he was in the lobby again and had changed into the now missing clothes, because he was caught on tape. What about the little rock in the lock trick? Seems the only time the employees have ever found one, was that night, when Jason just so happened to be checked in there and his wife and son just so happened to be murdered. MOO

ETA, also curious what you think about the extra gas that Jason had in his car by the time he made it to Duffield, per the latest SWs.
I think that when you are seemingly focusing on 1 person, you're looking for things that support the case you're trying to make. So, it goes without saying that the things you mention + everything else LE is using to get the SWs taken collectively all raise suspicion.

To me, you can always paint the picture in the manner that you'd *like* it to look to support your end goal. This isn't to say that you make stuff up cause you don't. LE is not making anything up here. Let's assume Mary and Bill have been married for 30 years and Joe had a personal vendetta against Bill and sought out to show that he was a bad husband. He proceeds to dig all of the skeletons out of his closet. Talks to high school, college, and close current friends....makes a list of all the imperfections and then writes and publishes the story. As the reader, you'd probably buy into the fact that Bill was a bad husband.....Why? It's because you're shining the spotlight on only the imperfections. We haven't seen the end of JY's imperfection list.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 06:34 PM

I think that when you are seemingly focusing on 1 person, you're looking for things that support the case you're trying to make. So, it goes without saying that the things you mention + everything else LE is using to get the SWs taken collectively all raise suspicion.

To me, you can always paint the picture in the manner that you'd *like* it to look to support your end goal. This isn't to say that you make stuff up cause you don't. LE is not making anything up here. Let's assume Mary and Bill have been married for 30 years and Joe had a personal vendetta against Bill and sought out to show that he was a bad husband. He proceeds to dig all of the skeletons out of his closet. Talks to high school, college, and close current friends....makes a list of all the imperfections and then writes and publishes the story. As the reader, you'd probably buy into the fact that Bill was a bad husband.....Why? It's because you're shining the spotlight on only the imperfections. We haven't seen the end of JY's imperfection list.

In order to figure out what happened, you have to look at the totality of things, not excuse them one by one, over and over again. So far what is released in the SWs points directly at Jason. IF I could come up with a single redeeming quality of his, I would be willing to factor that in too.

You haven't answered a single question that I have asked you. You have just made excuses for my questions, so I will leave you to your delusions about your old friend.

Peace out..MOO

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 07:03 PM

Never say "nothing but another rumor" after two years of arguing that Michelle Money and Jason were not really having an affair. They were. Early warrants suggested it was an affair, and later warrants spelled it out in no uncertain terms. The latter warrants finally sidelined that particular debate. Is it reasonable to start in on Caroll Anne now? Defending her and arguing the point may be worse than accepting what appears to be true.

It was stated for 2 years, and argued, that Michelle Money and Jason Young were having a sexual relationship. It may not have been spelled out in those exact words in the early warrants, but most people understood. She admitted it early on, but that didn't stop the rumor and debate. She was dragged through the mud for 2 years. Now we have Caroll Anne Sowerby. Should we drag her through two years of round and round discussion, or put her down as one more married woman that Jason seduced while married to Michelle and leave it at that?

What would be the most respectful thing to do? Drag her name on to a discussion board day after day claiming she didn't have sex with Jason until the warrants spell it out, or accept that it is a possibility and let it go.

The most respectful thing to do at this point is to refrain from libeling Sowerby. Some of us waited to make that leap with Michelle Money because we also know that truth is a complete defense to libel.

The search warrant NEVER states that Sowerby was by herself when she visited the Young home.

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 07:08 PM

Do you think there is enough evidence for a circumstantial case for second degree murder at this point?

fyi: there has yet to be an arrest. :rolleyes:

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 07:45 PM

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 07:49 PM

I think that when you are seemingly focusing on 1 person, you're looking for things that support the case you're trying to make. So, it goes without saying that the things you mention + everything else LE is using to get the SWs taken collectively all raise suspicion.

To me, you can always paint the picture in the manner that you'd *like* it to look to support your end goal. This isn't to say that you make stuff up cause you don't. LE is not making anything up here. Let's assume Mary and Bill have been married for 30 years and Joe had a personal vendetta against Bill and sought out to show that he was a bad husband. He proceeds to dig all of the skeletons out of his closet. Talks to high school, college, and close current friends....makes a list of all the imperfections and then writes and publishes the story. As the reader, you'd probably buy into the fact that Bill was a bad husband.....Why? It's because you're shining the spotlight on only the imperfections. We haven't seen the end of JY's imperfection list.

Good point. Jason must have some good qualities or all his friends would have taken a hike by now or at least distanced themselves instead of chatting it up via email, vacationing together, etc.

daddydidit

03-14-2009, 08:01 PM

I'm confused..didn't you just join in January of this year? :confused:

Now I am "confused". Well, I am not really "confused", I am "daddydidit", but I was thinking January was only a couple of months ago, not a couple of years.

:sneaky:

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 08:24 PM

I have been thinking about what some have said and done on these forums. You know I have never seen a person that thinks JY might be innocent make a disparaging word toward any one. It the ones that think he is guilty that drop names and hunt people down in real life. Make up elimination lists ( is that the same as a hit list)? Do you think they just have low self esteem or is it they aren't sure of their convictions?

I don't visit sites that resort to such nonsense because those internet junkies eventually land themselves in court. Those who believe Jason is innocent haven't resorted to fabricating lies and misrepresenting search warrants, either.

Stellagant

03-14-2009, 08:46 PM

How much extra gas did he have? Was it a gallon or was it 10 gallon? I've never heard a number.

The entire gas "experiment" was utterly useless, imo. LE had no idea how much gas was in the Explorer when Jason left Raleigh, whether he drove around town doing a few errands before he left, if he made other side trips nor could they possibly duplicate gas mileage, which varies and is based on speed, weather, mechanics of the car, etc. I'm really surprised they tossed it into the warrant because all it accomplished was to make them look desperate and inept.

daddydidit

03-14-2009, 09:14 PM

No I believe it says Nov 2008 . 3months after you did. What was your point in asking?

In the first place, I didn't ASK anything.

Second place, I wasn't referring to YOUR join date.

5swab5

03-14-2009, 09:17 PM

(delete)I'm really surprised they tossed it into the warrant because all it accomplished was to make them look desperate and inept.

Hardly desperate or inept.

It doesn't matter where all Jason went in Raleigh. OR for how long he was lost. In fact, that only makes it worse.

The SW makes it very clear that LE took the most direct route and they were almost out of gas. Apparently, Jason had plenty. Therefore, he had to have put more gas in the tank on Nov.2nd-3rd, than his receipts for Handi-Hugo and the station in Duffield show. MOO

alterEgo©

03-14-2009, 09:17 PM

How much extra gas did he have? Was it a gallon or was it 10 gallon? I've never heard a number.
I'm trying to figure out how 'any additional gas usage by Mr Young would only increase the inconistency between his reported gas usage and that experienced by the investigators' equates to Jason having extra gas.

Wonder when Jason made that report of gas usage to LE.

daddydidit

03-14-2009, 10:02 PM

I apologize I thought you said confused.

I did say "confused" but I still wasn't talking about when you joined. Maybe you should go back and read the whole line of posts -

annalyzer

03-14-2009, 10:50 PM

snip~ I'm really surprised they tossed it into the warrant because all it accomplished was to make them look desperate and inept.

That's what I thought when I read they had driven a vehicle like Jason's on his route
to determine the gas usage. :laugh:

Barbara2

03-14-2009, 11:00 PM

That's what I thought when I read they had driven a vehicle like Jason's on his route
to determine the gas usage. :laugh:

And what did you think when you read that they determined that he would have needed to get gas prior to his stop after his meeting? Doesn't that seem suspicious to you? Do you think someone on a business trip wouldn't have receipts for ALL gas stops?

gbmy

03-15-2009, 12:01 AM

You're absolutely right but why waste pages and pages of MY forum talking about other people. There are chat rooms for that. I have posted several times about the paper man seeing a car between 4 and 5 AM. We know from warrant that JY was in Wytheville Va at 7:40. According to map quest thats a hundred and 99 miles from Raleigh with a driving time of 3 hrs and 21 minutes. Now we don't know if JY was at the motel on the 3rd. You can bet LE knows. If he was at the motel he had no chance of being in Raleigh. If he can't prove he was in the motel he is working on a 19 minute gap if the paper man saw the car at 4 AM. If the paper man saw the car at 5 JY had no way of being in Raleigh at all. I don't believe that could have been JY's car the guy saw.
Excellent post. It's so refreshing to read a candid, tangible analysis of a very critical question. Can LE place him at the scene of the crime? Quite a different discussion than talking about finding panties in his bed, having a physical relationship with another woman, posting ads with him and CY on a dating web site, and other stuff like that. Sure, like others have said, these are bad things. The more bad you can dig up and shine the spotlight on, the more bad starts looking like bad enough' to murder someone.

So, the trend continues.....More SWs, more dirt on Jason. They've succeeded at painting him to be a bad guy. But, they haven't succeeded at building enough confidence in the evidence they have to arrest him for murder. And, without doubt, they wil need strong evidence that clearly places him at the scene of the crime.......not a 'possible' scenario that depends on a newspaper man, shoe sizes that don't match but 'could' match if he squeezed into shoes 2 sizes smaller to the point he had a blister.

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 01:02 AM

Excellent post. It's so refreshing to read a candid, tangible analysis of a very critical question. Can LE place him at the scene of the crime? Quite a different discussion than talking about finding panties in his bed, having a physical relationship with another woman, posting ads with him and CY on a dating web site, and other stuff like that. Sure, like others have said, these are bad things. The more bad you can dig up and shine the spotlight on, the more bad starts looking like bad enough' to murder someone.

So, the trend continues.....More SWs, more dirt on Jason. They've succeeded at painting him to be a bad guy. But, they haven't succeeded at building enough confidence in the evidence they have to arrest him for murder. And, without doubt, they wil need strong evidence that clearly places him at the scene of the crime.......not a 'possible' scenario that depends on a newspaper man, shoe sizes that don't match but 'could' match if he squeezed into shoes 2 sizes smaller to the point he had a blister.

And, it is refreshing to see you here too.

I wish you had been around sooner, us JII's and even the fencesitters have taken quite a beating for entertaining any ideas other than Jason.

I think someone referred to you earlier as knowing Jason in real life, I don't think that is true, not sure though.

My biggest problem has always been the timeline.
Now, we find Jason had dinner at a CB as well, which doesn't make sense to me, as I don't see Jason as some experienced serial killer......who could just have a big dinner, hours before committing such a brutal crime.

I would imagine a credit card receipt from CB was on his debit/credit card.

I remember some old posts which always stuck with me too, the one where someone said CY was given jelly beans and a Lion King movie to watch,and, I remember the same post saying, if only the walls could talk.......

I am more confused, than Confused...J/K, Confused!!
I am having a hard time thinking Michelle would put up with any of Jason's behavior, cheating, or lies.

Being unfaithful is the ultimate deal breaker in any relationship, and I would think Michelle , of all people, would have zero tolerance for any of the above mentioned behavior.

And, yet on the other hand, you have to give it to the JDI's, because why is Jason sitting back and not fighting any of these allegations, and how in the world could he have ever let CY go..?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 01:08 AM

That's what I thought when I read they had driven a vehicle like Jason's on his route
to determine the gas usage. :laugh:

I am unclear how the gas usage is being calculated, because there are other factors they would have to know as well.

Kat

Stellagant

03-15-2009, 01:11 AM

Hardly desperate or inept.

It doesn't matter where all Jason went in Raleigh. OR for how long he was lost. In fact, that only makes it worse.

The SW makes it very clear that LE took the most direct route and they were almost out of gas. Apparently, Jason had plenty. Therefore, he had to have put more gas in the tank on Nov.2nd-3rd, than his receipts for Handi-Hugo and the station in Duffield show. MOO

It is possible to put gas in a car and not obtain a receipt. Who drives until they are almost out of gas? They haven't talked to Jason so they have only a general idea what his route was. :rolleyes:

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 01:12 AM

I have considered that scenario and realize that things could have played out in that sequence. For it to have been JY, I just have this picture in my mind of him quietly tip toe'ing through the house in the wee hours of the morning, walking into his own bedroom and seeing a much smaller Michelle in REM sleep.......I then think about nature of the murder and 'the bloodiest crime scene LE has ever seen' and I can't take that next mental step to envision it was him. I am, however, aware of the other possibilities that could have changed that picture I have in my mind.

See, this is my problem with the case too.
If killing Michelle was really his intention, why that nite with CY in the home, and why would he start messing around with one of her friends, when you know it is going to be found out?
And, you are already going to be the number one suspect.?
Kat

Stellagant

03-15-2009, 01:16 AM

I'm trying to figure out how 'any additional gas usage by Mr Young would only increase the inconistency between his reported gas usage and that experienced by the investigators' equates to Jason having extra gas.

Wonder when Jason made that report of gas usage to LE.

Good point.

If you get lost and are almost out of gas, wouldn't you stop and fill up? Maybe that is why he was as late as he was?

Cops would have no way of knowing where he stopped or the price per gallon of gas or how many gallons he purchased.

Stellagant

03-15-2009, 01:22 AM

And, it is refreshing to see you here too.

I wish you had been around sooner, us JII's and even the fencesitters have taken quite a beating for entertaining any ideas other than Jason.

I think someone referred to you earlier as knowing Jason in real life, I don't think that is true, not sure though.

My biggest problem has always been the timeline.
Now, we find Jason had dinner at a CB as well, which doesn't make sense to me, as I don't see Jason as some experienced serial killer......who could just have a big dinner, hours before committing such a brutal crime.

I would imagine a credit card receipt from CB was on his debit/credit card.

I remember some old posts which always stuck with me too, the one where someone said CY was given jelly beans and a Lion King movie to watch,and, I remember the same post saying, if only the walls could talk.......

I am more confused, than Confused...J/K, Confused!!
I am having a hard time thinking Michelle would put up with any of Jason's behavior, cheating, or lies.

Being unfaithful is the ultimate deal breaker in any relationship, and I would think Michelle , of all people, would have zero tolerance for any of the above mentioned behavior.

And, yet on the other hand, you have to give it to the JDI's, because why is Jason sitting back and not fighting any of these allegations, and how in the world could he have ever let CY go..?

Kat

Jason is doing exactly as his lawyers have advised. If I had the choice between following my lawyers' advice or possibly ending up in jail and convicted of a crime I didn't commit, I'd have no problem sharing custody of my child.

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 01:22 AM

Do you think there is enough evidence for a circumstantial case for second degree murder at this point?

Why would they settle for 2nd degree murder in a killing that was this brutal?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 01:24 AM

Jason is doing exactly as his lawyers have advised. If I had the choice between following my lawyers' advice or possibly ending up in jail and convicted of a crime I didn't commit, I'd have no problem sharing custody of my child.

I agree, maybe there is more to this than we know, right now too...

Kat

Stellagant

03-15-2009, 01:39 AM

I agree, maybe there is more to this than we know, right now too...

Kat

Interesting 48 Hours tonight about the Eric Miller murder. I wasn't aware that his sociopath wife set up her lover to take the fall. I always assumed the two co-conspired. He killed himself because he couldn't take the suspicion, public humiliation and financial ruin that comes with being wrongly accused by a sweet woman who was playing the role of victim to the hilt. Great actress, that one.

Colin Willoughby made it clear he needs solid evidence, not just suspicion and finger-pointing, before he'll indict. In the end, Miller's own words nailed her.

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 08:52 AM

<snipped>

Colin Willoughby made it clear he needs solid evidence, not just suspicion and finger-pointing, before he'll indict. In the end, Miller's own words nailed her.

And I strongly believe that is the reason that Jason is not saying anything!

Cardinal

03-15-2009, 10:48 AM

I agree that the Birchleaf-Clintwood timeline is tight; I think that's one of the major problems in this case.

I prefer maps.live.com to google (I've had some bad experiences with google maps). According to my map, Birchleaf to Wytheville is 3 hours, 5 mins; by that calculation, Jason could have been at Birchleaf as late as 4:35 am IF he drove at posted speeds. If Jason exceeded the speed limit, the window expands.

Wytheville to Clintwood, by the recommended route (through Lyons) is 2 hours, 9 mins - that should have put him in Clintwood at 9:50 am, in plenty of time for his 10:00 meeting. Because of the mountainous terrain, there are very few alternate routes. The previous exit, through Dante, would put him in Clintwood in 2 hours, 14 mins - still in time for his meeting. If he missed both of those exits, the next is Norton, which would require him to backtrack. That route is 2 hours, 22 mins - putting him in Clintwood at about 10:00 am. Again, even at posted speeds, Jason should have been on time for his meeting. IMO, that leaves 30 minutes unaccounted for.

But the most interesting calculation, I think, is Hillsville to Wytheville - 34 minutes. If Jason were indeed at the Hampton Inn overnight, he waited 34 minutes to use his cell phone that morning.

JMO

Tia

03-15-2009, 05:11 PM

GBMY,

I'm wondering how you are justifying Jason allowing himself to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy. Neither of these appear to be the actions of a rational, yet alone innocent man.

I have yet to see that question answered by anyone who defends JY. If her were innocent, how can he sit back and do nothing while Primary Physical Custody is handed over to his SIL? If he were innocent, how can he sit back and do nothing and allow himself to be delcared a slayer?

The only reason I can figure is because he is guilty.

JMO

gbmy

03-15-2009, 05:19 PM

I have yet to see that question answered by anyone who defends JY. If her were innocent, how can he sit back and do nothing while Primary Physical Custody is handed over to his SIL? If he were innocent, how can he sit back and do nothing and allow himself to be delcared a slayer?

The only reason I can figure is because he is guilty.

JMO
Hi Tia, I responded to this (on page 9) shortly after 5swab5 asked. Here's what I said:

NC has the death penalty. His attorney is being paid to defend him from the ultimate punishment and, as part of that, has advised JY to not talk (yes, that raises the whole other discussion about silence=strong suspicion of guilt). Showing up at the civil suit would have required him to talk. I believe that when the attorney weighed death with allowing JY to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy, he opted for the latter. Either outcome is very, very bad. It's hard to give up custody of your kid. Some may say it's something you 'just wouldn't do'. But, given the possible other outcome, I can see why he'd do it.

Tia

03-15-2009, 05:38 PM

Cardinal

03-15-2009, 05:56 PM

Hi Tia, I responded to this (on page 9) shortly after 5swab5 asked. Here's what I said:

NC has the death penalty. His attorney is being paid to defend him from the ultimate punishment and, as part of that, has advised JY to not talk (yes, that raises the whole other discussion about silence=strong suspicion of guilt). Showing up at the civil suit would have required him to talk. I believe that when the attorney weighed death with allowing JY to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy, he opted for the latter. Either outcome is very, very bad. It's hard to give up custody of your kid. Some may say it's something you 'just wouldn't do'. But, given the possible other outcome, I can see why he'd do it.

Too bad his attorney didn't advise him to probate Michelle's will and qualify as Executor. Had he done so, and closed the estate after probate was completed, Linda couldn't have filed the WDS, and without the slayer ruling, I don't believe the custody action could have been filed.

JMO

ETA: It'll be intereresting to see what damages are awarded tomorrow.
JMO

bookie

03-15-2009, 06:19 PM

But if he is innocent, what does he have to fear? He hasn't talked since day one, IMO, he is guilty and his attorney's are working with what little they have and just trying to keep him out of jail.

Ask that question to any of the hundreds of innocent people The Innocence Project has helped free from prison. Or Cynthia Sommer. The Duke Lacrosse players. Innocent people have much to fear. Some have learned that lesson while sitting in prison for decades for crimes they didn't commit.

Tia

03-15-2009, 06:30 PM

Ask that question to any of the hundreds of innocent people The Innocence Project has helped free from prison. Or Cynthia Sommer. The Duke Lacrosse players. Innocent people have much to fear. Some have learned that lesson while sitting in prison for decades for crimes they didn't commit.

I understand that, but losing Primary Physical Custody of your child and being declared a slayer would be cause for an innocent man to talk.

IMO

I understand a guilty man giving up those things to save his own skin, but can't wrap my brain around an innocent man doing that.

Tia

03-15-2009, 06:31 PM

Too bad his attorney didn't advise him to probate Michelle's will and qualify as Executor. Had he done so, and closed the estate after probate was completed, Linda couldn't have filed the WDS, and without the slayer ruling, I don't believe the custody action could have been filed.

JMO

ETA: It'll be intereresting to see what damages are awarded tomorrow.
JMO

Wouldn't he have had to talk to do that as well?

gbmy

03-15-2009, 06:44 PM

But if he is innocent, what does he have to fear? He hasn't talked since day one, IMO, he is guilty and his attorney's are working with what little they have and just trying to keep him out of jail.

Right. I very much understand the school of thought that says if you have nothing to hide, then you'd talk. That's been discussed lots on this board.

alterEgo©

03-15-2009, 06:46 PM

Cardinal

03-15-2009, 06:52 PM

Wouldn't he have had to talk to do that as well?

I don't think saying "I'm here to qualify as Executor of my wife's estate" would have put him at risk. OTOH, his attorney could have prepared all the paperwork, had it executed in his office, and delivered it to the Clerk on Jason's behalf. Jason didn't even have to show up.

Cardinal

03-15-2009, 06:52 PM

Is Jason named the sole beneficiary in her will? I thought it was said that he was and therefore it was not nec'y for him to probate it.

It isn't required in that circumstance - but it still can be done.

Tia

03-15-2009, 06:53 PM

I don't think saying "I'm here to qualify as Executor of my wife's estate" would have put him at risk. OTOH, his attorney could have prepared all the paperwork, had it executed in his office, and delivered it to the Clerk on Jason's behalf. Jason didn't even have to show up.

Makes you wonder why he didn't even bother to do that.

Cardinal

03-15-2009, 06:58 PM

Makes you wonder why he didn't even bother to do that.

Rather shortsighted, IMO.

alterEgo©

03-15-2009, 07:05 PM

It isn't required in that circumstance - but it still can be done.
Ok then, I guess I'm not sure why his atty would advise him to probate the will if it wasn't nec'y.

achristie

03-15-2009, 08:01 PM

Hi Tia, I responded to this (on page 9) shortly after 5swab5 asked. Here's what I said:

NC has the death penalty. His attorney is being paid to defend him from the ultimate punishment and, as part of that, has advised JY to not talk (yes, that raises the whole other discussion about silence=strong suspicion of guilt). Showing up at the civil suit would have required him to talk. I believe that when the attorney weighed death with allowing JY to be declared a slayer and ceding primary physical custody of Cassidy, he opted for the latter. Either outcome is very, very bad. It's hard to give up custody of your kid. Some may say it's something you 'just wouldn't do'. But, given the possible other outcome, I can see why he'd do it.

GBMY, if you were in his shoes, would you do the same? You state that you can see why he's made these concessions. If you, as a husband, full well knowing that you had no hand in your beloved wife's murder, make such concessions? I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the custody. CY is his one and only link to his beloved wife who was brutally murdered. She is all he has left. Are we to assume that the police are hell bent on framing him? He sacrificed all that to avoid being framed ? It's been two years. Are we to infer that LE has not explored every avenue in trying to solve this? That they have only homed in on JY?

MOO Aggie

Tia

03-15-2009, 08:20 PM

There are a lot of things Jason could have done, without imcriminating himself. He could have released a statement via his attorney and asked for the public's assistance, and/or offered a reward, something.

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 08:28 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6711003

You are welcome!!

:)
Kat

Tia

03-15-2009, 08:49 PM

It isn't required in that circumstance - but it still can be done.

Obvioulsy it should have been in this case. I really have to wonder what his attorney is doing?!!

So far, all I can see is Jason remains a free man, but has lost everything else. I guess his attorney considers this a "win"????

Kat4Eagles

03-15-2009, 08:50 PM

Right. I very much understand the school of thought that says if you have nothing to hide, then you'd talk. That's been discussed lots on this board.

It is good to have someone new to discuss this with!!
Sometimes it is a good idea to go back to the very beginning and start all over, and see what can be explained away and what can't....

The mileage and gas could be a good place to start.

I have the timeline something like this.
We know Jason went to Han-dee- go station, not sure if he went back home again, or hit the road, but this would be his timeframe and mileage on the way to the Hampton Inn in Hillsville....

5108 Birchleaf Drive, Raleigh NC
to
Cracker Barrel
4402 Landview Road
Greensboro, NC
=86.6 miles+1hour and 32 minutes...

In an earlier post, I estimated that if Jason left Michelle around 7:pm, he would arrive at the CB around 8:30 pm, and if he left within the hour, he would arrive at the Hampton Inn, which he did around 10:50PM.

Cracker Barrel
to
Hillsville, Va.
=83.9 miles
1 hour 25 minutes..

Okay, did anyone notice, that the trip to Hillsville was almost exactly the 1/2 point to Clintwood, and the trip to Greensboro is almost the exact 1/2 point to Hillsville from Raleigh.??

In other words, he drove a 1 1/2 hours, took a break,
another 1/ 1/2 hours to to the hotel.

Now,why did Jason drive to Greensboro, NC to stop at Cracker Barrel, now, this in itself,to me, is strange for a man who intends to commit murder later.

Why not just hit a drive through somewhere on the one of the exits?

Did he want to be seen at CB for just this reason? To establish his alibi?
LE must have found a credit card receipt to confirm this.

Anyway, I am trying to see if Jason had planned this out, or if he just got hungry and saw a Cracker Barrel billboard?

Kat

Tia

03-15-2009, 08:52 PM

Ok then, I guess I'm not sure why his atty would advise him to probate the will if it wasn't nec'y.

I guess if the attorney had no foresight into what was to come, they wouldn't advise him to probate the will, but I find it hard to believe that they didn't see the Civil Suit coming.

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 09:05 PM

I guess if the attorney had no foresight into what was to come, they wouldn't advise him to probate the will, but I find it hard to believe that they didn't see the Civil Suit coming.

It makes no sense at all. There are ways that he could have communicated without making a statement to investigators. Did you see or read the transcript in the case of Ann Miller that was on last night? One of the statements made was that the wife never tried to find out anything about what had happened to her husband. She never inquired as to what the status of the case was. The person making the statement made reference to how STRANGE that was, if she had been innocent. There were a number of other parallels to this case as well. IMO

Tia

03-15-2009, 09:12 PM

It makes no sense at all. There are ways that he could have communicated without making a statement to investigators. Did you see or read the transcript in the case of Ann Miller that was on last night? One of the statements made was that the wife never tried to find out anything about what had happened to her husband. She never inquired as to what the status of the case was. The person making the statement made reference to how STRANGE that was, if she had been innocent. There were a number of other parallels to this case as well. IMO

I didn't see it, but have followed postings on another board about it.

ITA, the fact that Jason has NEVER spoken, never asked, never pleaded for help, gave up primary physical custody, allowed himself deemed a slayer, etc.......convinces me that he knows exactly what happened to Michelle and as long as he keeps his mouth shut, he will remain a free man.

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 09:28 PM

I didn't see it, but have followed postings on another board about it.

ITA, the fact that Jason has NEVER spoken, never asked, never pleaded for help, gave up primary physical custody, allowed himself deemed a slayer, etc.......convinces me that he knows exactly what happened to Michelle and as long as he keeps his mouth shut, he will remain a free man.

Does this sound familiar?

"Morgan couldn't believe that so soon after Eric Miller's murder Ann had packed up her life in Raleigh and took Clare 120 miles away to Wilmington, N.C. - far from the reach of the Raleigh Police Department. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/12/48hours/main4861528_page4.shtml

And this from the same page:

"Is that what you would normally expect from a spouse whose husband has been murdered in such a cruel way?" Morgan asks. An innocent person, he believed, would have been hounding police for answers.

"Ann Miller should have been on a first-name basis with every detective involved in this investigation," he says.

But Ann wasn't interested in talking to anybody and Morgan wondered what kind of person watches her husband die and doesn't look back?

Tia

03-15-2009, 09:33 PM

Does this sound familiar?

"Morgan couldn't believe that so soon after Eric Miller's murder Ann had packed up her life in Raleigh and took Clare 120 miles away to Wilmington, N.C. - far from the reach of the Raleigh Police Department. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/12/48hours/main4861528_page4.shtml

And this from the same page:

"Is that what you would normally expect from a spouse whose husband has been murdered in such a cruel way?" Morgan asks. An innocent person, he believed, would have been hounding police for answers.

"Ann Miller should have been on a first-name basis with every detective involved in this investigation," he says.

But Ann wasn't interested in talking to anybody and Morgan wondered what kind of person watches her husband die and doesn't look back?

Very familiar!!

And Michelle's murder was very very cruel. If Jason were innocent, why would he not want some answers?

achristie

03-15-2009, 09:45 PM

I didn't see it, but have followed postings on another board about it.

ITA, the fact that Jason has NEVER spoken, never asked, never pleaded for help, gave up primary physical custody, allowed himself deemed a slayer, etc.......convinces me that he knows exactly what happened to Michelle and as long as he keeps his mouth shut, he will remain a free man.

I must agree, Tia. Keeping his mouth shut has kept him free. He's managed for two years to stay out of jail despite being the primary suspect. But there is an upside to that. I've said this in the past, but I think, in the long run, this was better for CY. I've never liked that she was isolated from her mother's family, yet having her mother taken from her so suddenly, she needed that stability of being with her Dad. She is the one who has suffered the most from this heinous, selfish act. Now, the tide is turning and she can gently be re-introduced into the loving arms of her mother's family. Perhaps, this will soften the blow when her Daddy is taken away forever.

MOO Aggie

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 09:48 PM

I must agree, Tia. Keeping his mouth shut has kept him free. He's managed for two years to stay out of jail despite being the primary suspect. But there is an upside to that. I've said this in the past, but I think, in the long run, this was better for CY. I've never liked that she was isolated from her mother's family, yet having her mother taken from her so suddenly, she needed that stability of being with her Dad. She is the one who has suffered the most from this heinous, selfish act. Now, the tide is turning and she can gently be re-introduced into the loving arms of her mother's family. Perhaps, this will soften the blow when her Daddy is taken away forever.

MOO Aggie

I think Ann Miller managed to stay free for 4 years? I think that's what the show said. The two common denominators here: Colin Willoughby was also then the district attorney and Ann Miller hired Wade Smith. The show gave the impression that Colin Willoughby wanted to make sure that he had an ironclad case before he went up against Smith.

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 09:57 PM

It is possible to put gas in a car and not obtain a receipt. Who drives until they are almost out of gas? They haven't talked to Jason so they have only a general idea what his route was. :rolleyes:

Absolutely! He could have siphoned the gas from Michelle's car. He could have had some extra gas in gas cans. He could have paid cash at a station along the way back to the hotel. Many possibilities. Since he's not talking, the investigators are left to wonder why there is a discrepancy in the amount of gas purchased according to the business man's receipts while on a business trip and the amount of gas used. IMO

Tia

03-15-2009, 10:00 PM

I must agree, Tia. Keeping his mouth shut has kept him free. He's managed for two years to stay out of jail despite being the primary suspect. But there is an upside to that. I've said this in the past, but I think, in the long run, this was better for CY. I've never liked that she was isolated from her mother's family, yet having her mother taken from her so suddenly, she needed that stability of being with her Dad. She is the one who has suffered the most from this heinous, selfish act. Now, the tide is turning and she can gently be re-introduced into the loving arms of her mother's family. Perhaps, this will soften the blow when her Daddy is taken away forever.

MOO Aggie

Thats a really good way to look at it Aggie. Under the circumstances, it certainly seems to be moving along at a pace that will be the least damaging to Cassidy.

Tia

03-15-2009, 10:01 PM

Barbara2

03-15-2009, 10:25 PM

I must agree, Tia. Keeping his mouth shut has kept him free. He's managed for two years to stay out of jail despite being the primary suspect. But there is an upside to that. I've said this in the past, but I think, in the long run, this was better for CY. I've never liked that she was isolated from her mother's family, yet having her mother taken from her so suddenly, she needed that stability of being with her Dad. She is the one who has suffered the most from this heinous, selfish act. Now, the tide is turning and she can gently be re-introduced into the loving arms of her mother's family. Perhaps, this will soften the blow when her Daddy is taken away forever.

MOO Aggie

The Lord works in mysterious ways. Sometimes things happen in the way they happen for a reason. I don't think that it was in the BIG PLAN for Michelle to die, but after the evil one killed her, I think that things have played out the way that they have to protect her precious one to the greatest extent possible. IMO (Right down to the "evil one" not getting a place away from those who love and care for a precious child.)

jerzeegirl

03-15-2009, 10:56 PM

I had never thought about the possibility that he could have siphoned the gas from Michelle's car!

WOW!

omg me either. Never even crossed my mind. Always just figured he would stop and pay cash, but thats so risky.

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 12:34 AM

omg me either. Never even crossed my mind. Always just figured he would stop and pay cash, but thats so risky.

Yep, cause that is what killers do when they are in a hurry and are covered in blood, they take time to fill up cars from gas cans or other cars........and forget the part where they have to hurry to be in another city...
:rolleyes:

Kat

Stellagant

03-16-2009, 12:54 AM

Absolutely! He could have siphoned the gas from Michelle's car. He could have had some extra gas in gas cans. He could have paid cash at a station along the way back to the hotel. Many possibilities. Since he's not talking, the investigators are left to wonder why there is a discrepancy in the amount of gas purchased according to the business man's receipts while on a business trip and the amount of gas used. IMO

He coulda, coulda, coulda done all kinds of things. Investigators are required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jason had opportunity. I don't believe they can prove Jason ever left the hotel because if they could prove he left, his trial would have already taken place by now.

Even if he were to talk to cops, I doubt Jason has an explanation for how Meredith's car keys ended up on the hood of Michelle's car or why Meredith was so evasive in her 911 call or why there is a bloody shoeprint two-sizes too small for him.

Stellagant

03-16-2009, 12:59 AM

Yep, cause that is what killers do when they are in a hurry and are covered in blood, they take time to fill up cars from gas cans or other cars........and forget the part where they have to hurry to be in another city...
:rolleyes:

Kat

yep, killers are in such a hurry, they take the time to shower, change shoes twice, step on the same pillow with two different shoes and also turn on every light in the house.

Tia

03-16-2009, 02:00 AM

Yep, cause that is what killers do when they are in a hurry and are covered in blood, they take time to fill up cars from gas cans or other cars........and forget the part where they have to hurry to be in another city...
:rolleyes:

Kat

Why do you make a joke out of it? What if Michelle was your sister or daughter?

JMO

5swab5

03-16-2009, 08:38 AM

yep, killers are in such a hurry, they take the time to shower, change shoes twice, step on the same pillow with two different shoes and also turn on every light in the house.

The only killer that can afford to even entertain the thoughts of taking a shower and turning on all the lights in a house, is a killer that lives in the house. The shoe prints were part of a well thought out plan, just like the :cough: burglary :cough:. MOO

Barbara2

03-16-2009, 08:42 AM

yep, killers are in such a hurry, they take the time to shower, change shoes twice, step on the same pillow with two different shoes and also turn on every light in the house.

...and end up being 35 minutes late to a scheduled appointment.

IMO

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 08:56 AM

reborn

03-16-2009, 08:59 AM

...and end up being 35 minutes late to a scheduled appointment.

IMO

That 35 mimutes has been proved by warrants to have been lost between Wythville Va and Clintwood Va. So his being late would have no bearing on the murder.

reborn

03-16-2009, 09:03 AM

The only killer that can afford to even entertain the thoughts of taking a shower and turning on all the lights in a house, is a killer that lives in the house. The shoe prints were part of a well thought out plan, just like the :cough: burglary :cough:. MOO

I disagree. I think a sister of a victim would feel confortable doing those things. Any one know what size shoe her friend wore? The friend that was at the services but left Raleigh shortly after.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 09:03 AM

That 35 mimutes has been proved by warrants to have been lost between Wythville Va and Clintwood Va. So his being late would have no bearing on the murder.

it would if he used that time to ditch clothes, murder weapon, etc. It would if he used that time to pull over and speak to someone on phone about creating an alibi. As a matter of fact, anything that jason did that day after the murder has bearing on the murder case.

5swab5

03-16-2009, 09:06 AM

That 35 mimutes has been proved by warrants to have been lost between Wythville Va and Clintwood Va. So his being late would have no bearing on the murder.

Not true, Jason left a whole day ahead of time for the meeting, if he didn't know the route, he should have been more conscientious and asked or called for directions.

More likely that time was being used to get rid of a dark colored long sleeve pullover garment with a light colored stripe bisecting the chest area, among other clothing and the murder weapon. (When he wasn't talking to his honey on the phone, that is) MOO

gbmy

03-16-2009, 09:09 AM

GBMY, if you were in his shoes, would you do the same? You state that you can see why he's made these concessions. If you, as a husband, full well knowing that you had no hand in your beloved wife's murder, make such concessions? I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the custody. CY is his one and only link to his beloved wife who was brutally murdered. She is all he has left. Are we to assume that the police are hell bent on framing him? He sacrificed all that to avoid being framed ? It's been two years. Are we to infer that LE has not explored every avenue in trying to solve this? That they have only homed in on JY?

MOO Aggie
You ask great questions. I honestly and sincerely do not know what I'd do if I was in JY's shoes. On the one hand, I think like the majority of people which is, I'd do anything and everything to help find my wife's killer. On the other hand, if LE immediately 'came after me' on the offensive with the assumption of guilt vs. compassionate fact finding, I might not cooperate. As an innocent man, I can't even begin to imagine experiencing the shock, grief, and heartbreak of finding out my wife was murdered followed by LE putting the 'full court press' on me as the likely killer. Now, of course I'm assuming they did that. It certainly appears that's how it transpired. Of course, some will say they needed to do that cause JY 'hung up on them' and acted suspicious. I just don't know the dynamics of those first minutes, hours, and days after the murder that set the tone for where we are now.

Trying to frame JY would be corrupt and I don't believe that is the case at all. LE is here to help all of us in a good way. Have they explored every avenue over the last 2+ years other than JY? Again, I honestly have no idea. I'd like to assume yes, but in this world of limited financial resources, the reality is that your prioritize them in the areas you *believe* they should be prioritized.

5swab5

03-16-2009, 09:11 AM

I disagree. I think a sister of a victim would feel confortable doing those things. Any one know what size shoe her friend wore? The friend that was at the services but left Raleigh shortly after.

I don't care, and apparently LE doesn't either, all 20 search warrants concern Jason, not some random funeral goer. MOO

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/

ETA: Doesn't sound like Jason shares your concern about his SIL, as he has signed over PRIMARY physical of his only daughter to her.

reborn

03-16-2009, 09:13 AM

it would if he used that time to ditch clothes, murder weapon, etc. It would if he used that time to pull over and speak to someone on phone about creating an alibi. As a matter of fact, anything that jason did that day after the murder has bearing on the murder case.

I'm not looking at the ifs in the case . I am just looking at the facts.

reborn

03-16-2009, 09:16 AM

I don't care, and apparently LE doesn't either, all 20 search warrants concern Jason, not some random funeral goer. MOO

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/

You act like you are proud that LE has served 20 warrants. I see it as searching for something not there.

reborn

03-16-2009, 09:19 AM

Not true, Jason left a whole day ahead of time for the meeting, if he didn't know the route, he should have been more conscientious and asked or called for directions.

More likely that time was being used to get rid of a dark colored long sleeve pullover garment with a light colored stripe bisecting the chest area, among other clothing and the murder weapon. (When he wasn't talking to his honey on the phone, that is) MOO

You are fabricating facts not known.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 09:20 AM

I'm not looking at the ifs in the case . I am just looking at the facts.

Really? Or do you just pick and choose which "ifs" you would like to discuss, because you just posted this..........

"I disagree. I think a sister of a victim would feel confortable doing those things. Any one know what size shoe her friend wore? The friend that was at the services but left Raleigh shortly after."

reborn

03-16-2009, 09:23 AM

5swab5

03-16-2009, 09:46 AM

You are fabricating facts not known.

I am not fabricating anything.

Jason did leave a day ahead of time for that meeting.
If he didn't know the route, he should have called for directions so he wouldn't be late, common courtesy.
The striped pullover is missing.
The SW verifies that Jaon did make his first phone call on Nov.3rd to Michelle Money. MOO

Barbara2

03-16-2009, 09:47 AM

That 35 mimutes has been proved by warrants to have been lost between Wythville Va and Clintwood Va. So his being late would have no bearing on the murder.

Lost or going off the beaten path to get rid of incriminating evidence. IMO

Tia

03-16-2009, 10:10 AM

I don't care, and apparently LE doesn't either, all 20 search warrants concern Jason, not some random funeral goer. MOO

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/

ETA: Doesn't sound like Jason shares your concern about his SIL, as he has signed over PRIMARY physical of his only daughter to her.

He knows who killed Michelle, and it wasn't Meredith!

JMO

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 10:11 AM

I don't see any ifs in my post.

and there arent any facts either

Tia

03-16-2009, 10:14 AM

Really? Or do you just pick and choose which "ifs" you would like to discuss, because you just posted this..........

"I disagree. I think a sister of a victim would feel confortable doing those things. Any one know what size shoe her friend wore? The friend that was at the services but left Raleigh shortly after."

I can't believe that in addition to accusing Meredith, a funeral goer has been added.

Its pretty clear who murdered Michelle at this point.

The Slayer.

The Suspect.

The father who gave up PRIMARY physical custody of his daughter.

The man who refused to speak to LE from day one.

Innocent men don't allow or do these things.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 10:26 AM

I can't believe that in addition to accusing Meredith, a funeral goer has been added.

Its pretty clear who murdered Michelle at this point.

The Slayer.

The Suspect.

The father who gave up PRIMARY physical custody of his daughter.

The man who refused to speak to LE from day one.

Innocent men don't allow or do these things.

But Tia, hes grieving, thats how husbands grieve dontchya know. Grieving husbands dont need to know who killed their wife, nevermind want to see justice for the murder of their wife. They dont need to memorialize the life of their significant other. Heck, he was such an awesome husband while she was alive, he got along so good with her friends, he even slept with them, now thats a real man. Lets not forget what a great dad he is, dad of the year, great dads give up primary custody for visitation. He is such an unselfish dad, why have it all, when you can just be a dad everyother weekend.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 10:30 AM

does anyone know if jason has a lawyer for the hearing today?

Leanne Weich

03-16-2009, 10:46 AM

You ask great questions. I honestly and sincerely do not know what I'd do if I was in JY's shoes. On the one hand, I think like the majority of people which is, I'd do anything and everything to help find my wife's killer. On the other hand, if LE immediately 'came after me' on the offensive with the assumption of guilt vs. compassionate fact finding, I might not cooperate. As an innocent man, I can't even begin to imagine experiencing the shock, grief, and heartbreak of finding out my wife was murdered followed by LE putting the 'full court press' on me as the likely killer. Now, of course I'm assuming they did that. It certainly appears that's how it transpired. Of course, some will say they needed to do that cause JY 'hung up on them' and acted suspicious. I just don't know the dynamics of those first minutes, hours, and days after the murder that set the tone for where we are now.

Trying to frame JY would be corrupt and I don't believe that is the case at all. LE is here to help all of us in a good way. Have they explored every avenue over the last 2+ years other than JY? Again, I honestly have no idea. I'd like to assume yes, but in this world of limited financial resources, the reality is that your prioritize them in the areas you *believe* they should be prioritized.

gbmy, it is immaterial, imo, how LE first approached Jason. It is common knowledge that the spouse/s.o. is the first person who has to be eliminated from suspicion in these types of murders. I guess if, statistically speaking, it wasn't more often than not the spouse/s.o., this wouldn't be protocol. Even if JY wasn't aware of this fact, Roger Smith would have been. It seems to me that Roger is well aware of the fact that JY could not take a chance on speaking to LE/ I do, however, find it strange that if he, Roger, believes JY is innocent that he never facilitated the answering of basic questions by JY. Just as odd, imo, is the fact that he has never made a comment regarding this case.

Tia

03-16-2009, 10:48 AM

does anyone know if jason has a lawyer for the hearing today?

check out the "other" board. Some of the folks over there are going today and will be able to tell you.

Leanne Weich

03-16-2009, 10:51 AM

According to this link

http://www.news14.com/content/local_news/triangle/606357/civil-case-continues-in-raleigh-mother-s-murder/Default.aspx

there is a possibility of further evidence being given today to enable the jury to make a monetary determination. I hope we find out more.

gbmy

03-16-2009, 10:52 AM

But Tia, hes grieving, thats how husbands grieve dontchya know. Grieving husbands dont need to know who killed their wife, nevermind want to see justice for the murder of their wife. They dont need to memorialize the life of their significant other. Heck, he was such an awesome husband while she was alive, he got along so good with her friends, he even slept with them, now thats a real man. Lets not forget what a great dad he is, dad of the year, great dads give up primary custody for visitation. He is such an unselfish dad, why have it all, when you can just be a dad everyother weekend.
If I was innocent and read this post, I'd feel horrible for cheating on my wife, would accept responsibility, and would seek repentance. Everything else you said would break my heart even more than it was already shattered.

Now, if I were guilty, everything you said would resonate with me and all I'd be able to do is accept is as truth......From that point, one's conscience drives the emotions that are felt.

reborn

03-16-2009, 10:56 AM

Lost or going off the beaten path to get rid of incriminating evidence. IMO

Wonder which one of your opinions would hold up in court?

Tia

03-16-2009, 10:57 AM

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 11:07 AM

gbmy, it is immaterial, imo, how LE first approached Jason. It is common knowledge that the spouse/s.o. is the first person who has to be eliminated from suspicion in these types of murders. I guess if, statistically speaking, it wasn't more often than not the spouse/s.o., this wouldn't be protocol. Even if JY wasn't aware of this fact, Roger Smith would have been. It seems to me that Roger is well aware of the fact that JY could not take a chance on speaking to LE/ I do, however, find it strange that if he, Roger, believes JY is innocent that he never facilitated the answering of basic questions by JY. Just as odd, imo, is the fact that he has never made a comment regarding this case.

Of course, we only have the word of the retired teacher that the police treated Jason badly. I have yet to hear corroboration of that from somebody who was actually there...

5swab5

03-16-2009, 11:10 AM

The reality is, he is treating her no different in death than he did when she was alive.

What breaks my heart, is that Jason is now showing the same indifference for Cassidy that permeated his relationship with Michelle. Thank Goodness for the custody agreement, Cassidy will be getting the unconditional love that she needs. MOO

reborn

03-16-2009, 11:10 AM

Of course, we only have the word of the retired teacher that the police treated Jason badly. I have yet to hear corroboration of that from somebody who was actually there...

What retired teacher? I didn't see anything about a teacher in the warrants.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 11:25 AM

What retired teacher? I didn't see anything about a teacher in the warrants.

didnt see anything about Merediths friend from the funeral in the SW's either. So what exactly is your point? Your original post states that you only want to discuss facts, welcome to the board, we discuss facts and possibilites here.

Tia

03-16-2009, 11:25 AM

What breaks my heart, is that Jason is now showing the same indifference for Cassidy that permeated his relationship with Michelle. Thank Goodness for the custody agreement, Cassidy will be getting the unconditional love that she needs. MOO

Now that he is free of Cassidy and Michelle, I wonder if he is on the prowl for the next Mrs. Jason Lynn Young?

I wonder if there are any women left who would even consider dating him, let alone marry him!

JMO

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:26 AM

gbmy, it is immaterial, imo, how LE first approached Jason. It is common knowledge that the spouse/s.o. is the first person who has to be eliminated from suspicion in these types of murders. I guess if, statistically speaking, it wasn't more often than not the spouse/s.o., this wouldn't be protocol. Even if JY wasn't aware of this fact, Roger Smith would have been. It seems to me that Roger is well aware of the fact that JY could not take a chance on speaking to LE/ I do, however, find it strange that if he, Roger, believes JY is innocent that he never facilitated the answering of basic questions by JY. Just as odd, imo, is the fact that he has never made a comment regarding this case.
Right and that troubles all of us....both strangers, friends, and family. If attorneys never told innocent people to remain silent, then I think that in my heart of hearts, I'd be thinking JY likely did this. But, since I believe this not to be true, taken collectively with the brutal nature of the murder, my belief that LE is having trouble putting him at the scene of the crime, and the lack of a murder weapon, all make me believe that JY deserves the presumption of innocence.

reborn

03-16-2009, 11:27 AM

I am not fabricating anything.

Jason did leave a day ahead of time for that meeting.
If he didn't know the route, he should have called for directions so he wouldn't be late, common courtesy.
The striped pullover is missing.
The SW verifies that Jaon did make his first phone call on Nov.3rd to Michelle Money. MOO

You added that he was most likely getting rid on the shirt. You have no way of knowing that.

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:30 AM

Now that he is free of Cassidy and Michelle, I wonder if he is on the prowl for the next Mrs. Jason Lynn Young?

I wonder if there are any women left who would even consider dating him, let alone marry him!

JMO
If closure of this case finds Jason to be innocent, would you apologize for the disparraging remarks you've made about him that were not rooted in fact? ie, the adultery accusation is presented as fact in the SWs so any comments relative to that, albeit unkind, are accurate.

reborn

03-16-2009, 11:30 AM

Leanne Weich

03-16-2009, 11:31 AM

Right and that troubles all of us....both strangers, friends, and family. If attorneys never told innocent people to remain silent, then I think that in my heart of hearts, I'd be thinking JY likely did this. But, since I believe this not to be true, taken collectively with the brutal nature of the murder, my belief that LE is having trouble putting him at the scene of the crime, and the lack of a murder weapon, all make me believe that JY deserves the presumption of innocence.

I think I'd have been able to afford JY the presumption of innocence for a while in the beginning, had he shown normal human emotion and empathy for the loss of his wife and unborn child. I honestly didn't want to believe he could be guilty. There was nothing more I wanted than for Cassidy to grow up with her dad and being able to know he didn't hurt her mom and brother. Everything that has come out in the SWs, however, have made this impossible for me to do.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 11:33 AM

reborn

03-16-2009, 11:33 AM

Are you a relative of Stella or Kat? Are all of you the same?

Against TOS to ask private questions.

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:34 AM

Of course, we only have the word of the retired teacher that the police treated Jason badly. I have yet to hear corroboration of that from somebody who was actually there...
You're right. There has been no corroboration of this. Bottom line, whether it was immediate or hours/days/weeks later, LE believes JY did this so their line of questioning and approach would be consistent with that.....whatever 'that' may be.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 11:36 AM

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:37 AM

Ive yet to hear any people who think OJ was guilty, apologize for their disparaging remarks about him.

BUT, if this goes to trial and evidence shows that JY did not kill his wife, i would definitely change my mind.
And I'll bet others would say the same. I can only speak for myself and I've encountered plenty of people who trusted our legal system and changed their minds about OJ after the verdict. If I'm the only one with this experience, I'd be floored.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 11:40 AM

And I'll bet others would say the same. I can only speak for myself and I've encountered plenty of people who trusted our legal system and changed their minds about OJ after the verdict. If I'm the only one with this experience, I'd be floored.

Oh im sure youre not the only but i do notice that SO many people and anylists use the OJ case as an example of good lawyering can keep a murderer free.

Tia

03-16-2009, 11:41 AM

If closure of this case finds Jason to be innocent, would you apologize for the disparraging remarks you've made about him that were not rooted in fact? ie, the adultery accusation is presented as fact in the SWs so any comments relative to that, albeit unkind, are accurate.

I have watched disparraging remarks made by posters here regarding the Fisher women day in and day out for two years.

Neither have been named a suspect.

Jason Young is a suspect, and adulterer, gave up primary physical custody of his child, allowed himself deemed a slayer, etc.......

These things are FACTS.

All you have to do is read the email exchanges between he and Michelle to know exactly what kind of man he is.

JMO

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 11:42 AM

You're right. There has been no corroboration of this. Bottom line, whether it was immediate or hours/days/weeks later, LE believes JY did this so their line of questioning and approach would be consistent with that.....whatever 'that' may be.

It must be very difficult to eliminate a suspect who

a) won't talk, and

b) does not have a verifiable alibi.

IMO

5swab5

03-16-2009, 11:42 AM

You added that he was most likely getting rid on the shirt. You have no way of knowing that.

I have good reason to believe that.

Per the SWs:

Jason was caught on tape @ 11:58PM on Nov. 2nd. wearing a dark colored pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area.

Pat Young denied that Jason washed, changed or discarded any clothing while at her home on Nov.3rd. Pat's statements were confirmed by Gerald McIntyre.

After Jason arrived at Meredith's home and prior to the Ford Explorer being unpacked, uniformed deputies arrived and secured the vehicle. A warrant was obtained for the vehicle and the items in the vehicle were seized. The dark colored pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area was not among the items found in the vehicle.

The shirt went somewhere, it didn't just disappear on its own.

MOO

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:43 AM

Oh im sure youre not the only but i do notice that SO many people and anylists use the OJ case as an example of good lawyering can keep a murderer free.
Isn't that the truth. And therein lies the debatable aspect of our wonderful legal system in America. Here's an article I found interesting and am posting in the event others might feel the same way.

http://www.ethicsscoreboard.com/list/defense.html

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 11:43 AM

I have watched disparraging remarks made by posters here regarding the Fisher women day in and day out for two years.

Neither have been named a suspect.

Jason Young is a suspect, and adulterer, gave up primary physical custody of his child, allowed himself deemed a slayer, etc.......

These things are FACTS.

All you have to do is read the email exchanges between he and Michelle to know exactly what kind of man he is.

JMO

Its not just that tia, IF jason is innocent of michelles murder, it doesnt excuse the fact that he was a horrible husband or horrible father. Why would i apologize for that? The apologies should be coming from JY. Never did he pick up the phone and call Michelles family and apologize for the horrible things he did to her in life, nevermind in death.

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 11:47 AM

If closure of this case finds Jason to be innocent, would you apologize for the disparraging remarks you've made about him that were not rooted in fact? ie, the adultery accusation is presented as fact in the SWs so any comments relative to that, albeit unkind, are accurate.

If evidence were presented that absolutely exonerated him, I would apologize for calling him a murderer. However, if he were to be acquitted for reasons similar to OJ, I would continue to believe him guilty, just as I do OJ.

IMO

5swab5

03-16-2009, 11:47 AM

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:49 AM

I have watched disparraging remarks made by posters here regarding the Fisher women day in and day out for two years.
<snipped>

All you have to do is read the email exchanges between he and Michelle to know exactly what kind of man he is.

JMO
Yes, I've read the comments of other posters regarding the Fishers and it's sickening. So, I agree with you. But, using that as a reason to make disparraging remarks about Jason subscribes to the '2 wrongs make a right' theory which I don't accept. This said, based on the info in the public domain, there are a lot of bad things coming out about JY which, as you say, depicts his imperfections as a human being. Adultery is a major sin as is taking the life of another human being. He committed the former. I am affording him the presumption of innocence for the latter. That's all.....That could change any day now based on new info.

gbmy

03-16-2009, 11:52 AM

It must be very difficult to eliminate a suspect who

a) won't talk, and

b) does not have a verifiable alibi.

IMO
It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

Tia

03-16-2009, 11:57 AM

Yes, I've read the comments of other posters regarding the Fishers and it's sickening. So, I agree with you. But, using that as a reason to make disparraging remarks about Jason subscribes to the '2 wrongs make a right' theory which I don't accept. This said, based on the info in the public domain, there are a lot of bad things coming out about JY which, as you say, depicts his imperfections as a human being. Adultery is a major sin as is taking the life of another human being. He committed the former. I am affording him the presumption of innocence for the latter. That's all.....That could change any day now based on new info.

Who says other posters are the reason I detest Jason Young, NOOOOOOO, you are WAY off. And who are you to show up and start lecturing us?

Jason's very own words and actions are what have caused me to form the opinion of him. The way he treated Michelle, the way he gave up primary physical custody of his daughter without a fight, allowed himself to be declared a slayer, didn't even show up today!

JMO

5swab5

03-16-2009, 11:58 AM

Well he sure makes himself appear guilty.
A no show at a very importand hearing...unreal.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4745442/

I didn't expect him to show.
He wouldn't go to bat for Cassidy. :cursing:
There is nothing he either does or doesn't do that can surprise me now. MOO

Tia

03-16-2009, 12:01 PM

It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

How can they eliminate someone who won't talk?

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 12:02 PM

It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

I absolutely believe they have tried to eliminate him and just cant. If at anytime during their investigation, they found that he could be eliminated, they would have. JY quite possibly could have information that could eliminate himself, then why not speak up? Because he doesnt. He cant, he could incriminate himself. Its his right, he sticks by it. Thats fine, im all for the constitution, god bless america. My son in the Marine Corps knows all about fighting for our freedoms. But the point here is, is he not speaking because he is guilty? Or because he is innocent and believes that something he says could make things worse for him than it already is for him today. Hes lost everything, i believe speaking would only help him at this point, thats if he is innocent.

PatsyB

03-16-2009, 12:04 PM

Does anybody know why the Michelle Young board isn't coming up on the front page? Or any page for that matter. I had to use the search button to find this thread. Thanks

gbmy

03-16-2009, 12:04 PM

If evidence were presented that absolutely exonerated him, I would apologize for calling him a murderer. However, if he were to be acquitted for reasons similar to OJ, I would continue to believe him guilty, just as I do OJ.

IMO
Thank you for the honest reply. Now likewise, if he's found guilty, I will question why the heck I spent so much time defending him. I'll also feel kinda dumb/naive since in hindsight I'll probably view today's facts differently! But, that's just me and is not important. What's important is justice for Michelle, her unborn child, family, and loved ones.

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 12:06 PM

Does anybody know why the Michelle Young board isn't coming up on the front page? Or any page for that matter. I had to use the search button to find this thread. Thanks

I just checked patsy, the thread is listed under current crimes for me. MY board is closed, but stil listed. Maybe something with your computer?>

trucrime

03-16-2009, 12:08 PM

No surprise Jason didnt show up in court today, status quo as far as his track record goes. Civil case = no show. Custody case = settlement so he wouldnt have to show. IMO.

PatsyB

03-16-2009, 12:09 PM

I just checked patsy, the thread is listed under current crimes for me. MY board is closed, but stil listed. Maybe something with your computer?> Thank you. I didn't look under current crimes.

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 12:11 PM

It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

Because that's the way LE investigates homicide. They first eliminate suspects close to the victim.

The reason it doesn't appear that way in this case is that they have been given nothing to work with by the closest suspect, i.e., the husband.

For instance, if he had spoken with LE (lawyer by his side), and answered their questions, I'm sure it would have gone a long way toward eliminating him (if he were innocent).

I really don't believe that LE is all about wrapping up a case and getting someone--anyone--convicted. I think they recognize their responsibility to get a killer off the street.

Remember, they said, very early on, that this was not a random killing.

There appears to be some circumstantial evidence against Jason, pointing to the possibility that he could have done it, and he has done nothing to negate that. There also appears to be no evidence leading them to suspect anyone else (despite questions some have regarding the 911 call).

IMO

Tia

03-16-2009, 12:11 PM

Thank you for the honest reply. Now likewise, if he's found guilty, I will question why the heck I spent so much time defending him. I'll also feel kinda dumb/naive since in hindsight I'll probably view today's facts differently! But, that's just me and is not important. What's important is justice for Michelle, her unborn child, family, and loved ones.

How do you feel about him not showing up today?

achristie

03-16-2009, 12:13 PM

You're right. There has been no corroboration of this. Bottom line, whether it was immediate or hours/days/weeks later, LE believes JY did this so their line of questioning and approach would be consistent with that.....whatever 'that' may be.

I'd be curious to know how many times LE requested to interview JY? Have they made several attempts and he has refused even if his attorney is present? Is he free to do that if he hasn't been charged with anything? I recall early on that a friend stated that JY told him he had agreed to speak with LE after the funeral, and that LE was fine with that. But that never materialized. I'm not speaking of when he gave his DNA etc., because I think that happened before the funeral, if memory serves.

MOO Aggie

gbmy

03-16-2009, 12:21 PM

Who says other posters are the reason I detest Jason Young, NOOOOOOO, you are WAY off. And who are you to show up and start lecturing us?

Jason's very own words and actions are what have caused me to form the opinion of him. The way he treated Michelle, the way he gave up primary physical custody of his daughter without a fight, allowed himself to be declared a slayer, didn't even show up today!

JMO
I asked: "If closure of this case finds Jason to be innocent, would you apologize for the disparraging remarks you've made about him that were not rooted in fact?"

You answered: "I have watched disparraging remarks made by posters here regarding the Fisher women day in and day out for two years. Neither have been named a suspect. Jason Young is a suspect."

I interpreted this as a comparative statement that made mention of disparraging remarks made about the 'Fisher women' as aj ustification for making disparraging remarks about a suspect. I am sorry if I misinterpeted.

I'm not sure how to answer your questioning about lecturing cause I don't understand it. It certainly doesn't sound complimentive of the opinions I've share and points I've made. Perhaps you make this point because you felt my "2 wrongs don't make a right" was a misinterpretation. I hope my clarification will show that it wasn't. But, if I dioesn't, then hopefully my apologize for not expressing my thoughts clearly will suffice.

gbmy

03-16-2009, 12:25 PM

Because that's the way LE investigates homicide. They first eliminate suspects close to the victim.

The reason it doesn't appear that way in this case is that they have been given nothing to work with by the closest suspect, i.e., the husband.

For instance, if he had spoken with LE (lawyer by his side), and answered their questions, I'm sure it would have gone a long way toward eliminating him (if he were innocent).

I really don't believe that LE is all about wrapping up a case and getting someone--anyone--convicted. I think they recognize their responsibility to get a killer off the street.

Remember, they said, very early on, that this was not a random killing.

There appears to be some circumstantial evidence against Jason, pointing to the possibility that he could have done it, and he has done nothing to negate that. There also appears to be no evidence leading them to suspect anyone else (despite questions some have regarding the 911 call).

IMO
Yes, and that's another thing that's kinda baffled me. They said this wasn't a 'random' killing pretty much from day #1 (Nov 3 or 4th I believe). If they simply based that on the 'business as usual' indicators (ie no signs of forced entry, blah, blah, blah) then that'd explain it. But, if they had more information that soon, it'd be very interesting to know what it was.

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 12:27 PM

LE first looks at those closest to the victim. The spouse, the last to see the victim, the person who finds the victim. They look at means, motive, and opportunity.

An alibi eliminates opportunity. But, an alibi, in order to be strong, needs a witness or some other confirmation, such as internet use, cell phone use, etc. When nobody saw him, or he wasn't on line, or his cell was turned off, saying he was asleep is not a lot of help. Means? he sure as heck had that. He's a big guy, and well able to beat a woman to death. Motive? Fights, affairs, financial difficulties, insurance policy--it's all there.

Meredith spoke with them from the git-go. I'm sure they interviewed the friend who was at the house that evening. If Jason were innocent, and IF he had spoken with them, I'm sure he would have been eliminated as the other two were, and LE would have widened their circle of suspects.

IMO

5swab5

03-16-2009, 12:29 PM

I'd be curious to know how many times LE requested to interview JY? Have they made several attempts and he has refused even if his attorney is present? Is he free to do that if he hasn't been charged with anything? I recall early on that a friend stated that JY told him he had agreed to speak with LE after the funeral, and that LE was fine with that. But that never materialized. I'm not speaking of when he gave his DNA etc., because I think that happened before the funeral, if memory serves.

MOO Aggie

As of this date (2-9-09), Jason Young has not voluntarily assisted in any aspect of the investigation into his wife's death, he has not made an inquiring into the progress of the case, and he has not been interviewed by investigators despite requests in person and through his attorney. In addition, Mr. Young has never provided investigators with an alibi nor has he accounted for his whereabouts and activities at the time of his wife's murder.

Jason to Kim:

The only thing that matters is the investigation itself and you can see that it has led to nothing...but in time, things will die down.

Such touching concern for Michelle & Rylan. NOT! MOO

gbmy

03-16-2009, 12:30 PM

How do you feel about him not showing up today?
It's consistent with him not showing up at the Civil trial and he likely did so for the same reasons. He'd already ceded primary custody to Meredith so his lawyer probably saw more harm than good in him showing up. So the net is, it doesn't surprise me.

Now, it also fuels the same, ongoing questions about continued silence, evasiveness, etc., in and of itself, suggests guilt. I understand that. That is also something that's been true over the past 2+ years so no different discussion on this point.....only re-hashing of the various opinions that have already been expressed.

Tia

03-16-2009, 12:31 PM

As of this date (2-9-09), Jason Young has not voluntarily assisted in any aspect of the investigation into his wife's death, he has not made an inquiring into the progress of the case, and he has not been interviewed by investigators despite requests in person and through his attorney. In addition, Mr. Young has never provided investigators with an alibi nor has he accounted for his whereabouts and activities at the time of his wife's murder.

Jason to Kim:

The only thing that matters is the investigation itself and you can see that it has led to nothing...but in time, things will die down.

Such touching concern for Michelle & Rylan. NOT! MOO

What a drag, it certainly isn't dying down now is it?

achristie

03-16-2009, 12:37 PM

It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

I would disagree. We don't have all the facts of the investigation as LE has kept a tight lid on things. It did come out in recent search warrants that they questioned MF's keys being found in a certain location. I would suspect they investigated her thoroughly since she found the victim. I would suspect they looked closely at her GA friend as she was the last person to see MY alive. There was innuendo about a neighbor early on. One would think he was investigated . One would think they investigated any issues at PE. This is taking a long time. One would doubt that all this time has been spent just focussed on JY.

MOO Aggie

5swab5

03-16-2009, 12:39 PM

What a drag, it certainly isn't dying down now is it?

Nope, so much for trying to mimic Raven Abaroa's actions. Guess Jason forgot to factor in the two different LE agencies. MOO

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 12:44 PM

As of this date (2-9-09), Jason Young has not voluntarily assisted in any aspect of the investigation into his wife's death, he has not made an inquiring into the progress of the case, and he has not been interviewed by investigators despite requests in person and through his attorney. In addition, Mr. Young has never provided investigators with an alibi nor has he accounted for his whereabouts and activities at the time of his wife's murder.

Jason to Kim:

The only thing that matters is the investigation itself and you can see that it has led to nothing...but in time, things will die down.

Such touching concern for Michelle & Rylan. NOT! MOO

IMO, the quoted statement points to consciousness of guilt. Why would an innocent man whose pregnant wife had been brutally beaten to death, make such a statement? Wouldn't such a man be more likely to express frustration that the killer has not been caught?

jerzeegirl

03-16-2009, 12:46 PM

if jason is collecting unemployent and Linda is awarded x amount of dollars. Will money be taken out of his unemployment checks? Is it like a judgement? TIA

5swab5

03-16-2009, 12:54 PM

IMO, the quoted statement points to consciousness of guilt. Why would an innocent man whose pregnant wife had been brutally beaten to death, make such a statement? Wouldn't such a man be more likely to express frustration that the killer has not been caught?

EXACTLY!

An innocent man would be camped out on the DA's doorstep, insisting that something be done. He would have had Harrison on speed dial. But what does Jason do? He hangs up on LE on his way back to Raleigh and then refuses all interviews. MOO

reborn

03-16-2009, 01:17 PM

I would disagree. We don't have all the facts of the investigation as LE has kept a tight lid on things. It did come out in recent search warrants that they questioned MF's keys being found in a certain location. I would suspect they investigated her thoroughly since she found the victim. I would suspect they looked closely at her GA friend as she was the last person to see MY alive. There was innuendo about a neighbor early on. One would think he was investigated . One would think they investigated any issues at PE. This is taking a long time. One would doubt that all this time has been spent just focussed on JY.

MOO Aggie

So you believe all these people have been investigated? Where are the warrants for their email, cell phones and homes?

bsatis

03-16-2009, 01:19 PM

So you believe all these people have been investigated? Where are the warrants for their email, cell phones and homes?

You see, people who are being COOPERATIVE with police require far fewer search warrants to obtain info. They just hand it over or provide alibis that clear them, etc.

trucrime

03-16-2009, 01:22 PM

You see, people who are being COOPERATIVE with police require far fewer search warrants to obtain info. They just hand it over or provide alibis that clear them, etc.

Exactly, people who have nothing to hide normally dont require warrants to allow LE to examine their alibies, cell phone records, whatever LE needs to clear them. IMO.

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:25 PM

yep, killers are in such a hurry, they take the time to shower, change shoes twice, step on the same pillow with two different shoes and also turn on every light in the house.

I know it!!
He had meds to give, stories to read, a dog to keep quiet, he is starting to sound like Superman.
What's the timeframe again, less than 45 minutes?
:rolleyes:

Kat

trucrime

03-16-2009, 01:25 PM

if jason is collecting unemployent and Linda is awarded x amount of dollars. Will money be taken out of his unemployment checks? Is it like a judgement? TIA

Im not 100% sure how it works in NC, but in some states this can happen. In some states - there's usually a percentage of the persons (Jason's) income that they're allowed to have to be able to live on, but otherwise income can be garnished. IMO.

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:27 PM

That 35 mimutes has been proved by warrants to have been lost between Wythville Va and Clintwood Va. So his being late would have no bearing on the murder.

So,very true......thank you for pointing this out!!
:thumbsup:

Kat

5swab5

03-16-2009, 01:27 PM

So you believe all these people have been investigated? Where are the warrants for their email, cell phones and homes?

A person can avoid a lot of that by cooperating with LE. A concept, apparently alien to the slayer. MOO

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:29 PM

You act like you are proud that LE has served 20 warrants. I see it as searching for something not there.

It's not that they haven't looked, there is something that they are struggling with, that's for sure..

Kat

trucrime

03-16-2009, 01:29 PM

I know it!!
He had meds to give, stories to read, a dog to keep quiet, he is starting to sound like Superman.
What's the timeframe again, less than 45 minutes?
:rolleyes:

Kat

With the way Jason's been alleged to have been a "lead foot" type of driver, I wouldnt be surprised if he had much greater of a window of opportunity to commit this crime. IMO.

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:31 PM

Are you a relative of Stella or Kat? Are all of you the same?

TOS.

:no:

Kat

Doorbell

03-16-2009, 01:31 PM

So you believe all these people have been investigated? Where are the warrants for their email, cell phones and homes?

It's my opinion that they opened their homes, email, cellphones, cars, etc., to LE without needing warrants. After all, a warrant is not necessary if LE is granted permission.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:36 PM

It doesn't appear to me at all that they are trying to eliminate JY as a suspect. Do you believe they are? If so, what has lead you to think that?

Can you explain why he stayed around the hotel for at least an hour, he checks in at 10:50 approx, and is still there at a minute to midnite?

I would think he would in a hurry to get this murder done, and back in time for breakfast or another trip to Cracker Barrel.

Makes no sense, he didn't have that much time to play with, as it was.

Kat

gbmy

03-16-2009, 01:37 PM

I would disagree. We don't have all the facts of the investigation as LE has kept a tight lid on things. It did come out in recent search warrants that they questioned MF's keys being found in a certain location. I would suspect they investigated her thoroughly since she found the victim. I would suspect they looked closely at her GA friend as she was the last person to see MY alive. There was innuendo about a neighbor early on. One would think he was investigated . One would think they investigated any issues at PE. This is taking a long time. One would doubt that all this time has been spent just focussed on JY.

MOO Aggie
Definitely agree that they've looked at other folks. What is not known is the % of their finite resources spent on JY vs. those other folks. Some will say that it appears the majority of resources have been spent investigating him and have good reasons for thinking that. The info in the public domain certainly supports that.

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:37 PM

bsatis

03-16-2009, 01:38 PM

So,very true......thank you for pointing this out!!
:thumbsup:

Kat

His being lost between Clintwood and Wytheville could very well have something to do with the murder. No one can prove that he was really lost...or that he perhaps had more nefarious things to do along the way. Lost or tossing out a striped shirt and a pair of hushpuppies? No one knows at this point do we?

Tia

03-16-2009, 01:39 PM

So you believe all these people have been investigated? Where are the warrants for their email, cell phones and homes?

When you "voluntarily" give info requested to LE, a SW isn't required.

Notice that Jason is the only one who required sw after sw........

Kat4Eagles

03-16-2009, 01:40 PM

I didn't expect him to show.
He wouldn't go to bat for Cassidy. :cursing:
There is nothing he either does or doesn't do that can surprise me now. MOO

I guess we shouldn't be surprised, I never thought this murder was about money anyway.

:shrug:

Kat

gbmy

03-16-2009, 01:41 PM

Can you explain why he stayed around the hotel for at least an hour, he checks in at 10:50 approx, and is still there at a minute to midnite?

I would think he would in a hurry to get this murder done, and back in time for breakfast or another trip to Cracker Barrel.

Makes no sense, he didn't have that much time to play with, as it was.

Kat
Kat, I personally don't have a sensible explanation for that.

5swab5

03-16-2009, 01:41 PM

With the way Jason's been alleged to have been a "lead foot" type of driver, I wouldnt be surprised if he had much greater of a window of opportunity to commit this crime. IMO.

Especially since he was traveling after the "bar crowd" was long at home. Everybody knows that LE is in the Waffle Houses that time of night. :wink: MOO

bsatis

03-16-2009, 01:43 PM

If closure of this case finds Jason to be innocent, would you apologize for the disparraging remarks you've made about him that were not rooted in fact? ie, the adultery accusation is presented as fact in the SWs so any comments relative to that, albeit unkind, are accurate.

I would apologize for blaming him, with the caveat that his actions aided in people thinking he did it. However, I think that Carot Top would become the next top model before we find he is innocent.

But, I would not apologize for saying he is a sleeze bucket and horrible husband. There is enough evidence out there to support that Jason is anything but an upstanding, moral guy.