Wednesday March 11, 2009 [Archive] - Page 3

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 03:55 PM

I am not up to date on all the people you mention above.

I also would not have agreed with you two weeks ago. I have to say, at this time I do agree with you - especially your last sentence. I have really seen a mood/personality change in those two.
MOO

I did notice in the past few days Ron and Misty have both referenced Haleigh no longer being alive. Ron said it when he said she would be returned to him or the heavenly father. Something like that.

Then Misty said it outside the court house. Something like Even if Haleigh is no longer with us.

Just found it odd.

imo

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 04:02 PM

well the last part of it says "And believe that everything happens for a reason, if you get a chance take it, if it chages your life let it, nobody said it would be easy they just promised it would be worth it."

I just think that is more than a little creepy in view of what is happening.

Whoa, it sure is creepy in light of things. :ohmy:

Mimi428

03-11-2009, 04:06 PM

eh. I give her a triple and a one base throwing error. :laugh:

:lol:

Ehhhh, what can I say? I try, sometimes I sorta succeed.

:lol:

beamer

03-11-2009, 04:08 PM

I agree 100% with the post above

MOO

Please check your pm's:w00t:

Heyes

03-11-2009, 04:12 PM

Well I do think people in Rons circle of friends and family may be looking at him a little differently with all this tattoo/wedding jive going on. It may be enough to rattle their brain about his goings that they have observed. They may have info to help with this case. Him out appearing to be moving on with his life so soom might just irk someone enough to come forward and help solve this.!!......JMO!

Well I for one was shocked to hear that Ron proposed to Misty. For the very first time I actually was shocked when JVM said something was "Shocking". She does overdo that word lately, don't ya think?
I saw a quick video of Misti's interview. The one in the purple shirt showing off her new ring. I must say she sure did have a little dance in her step. Smiling, happy! WTH is going on with these people? Now my hinky meter is off the charts. Something is seriously wrong here. Not buying into JVM's speech on how Ron's heart is broken so maybe a wedding will help comfort him. Nope, ain't buying a word of that. IMO
I'm not following this case as closely as a lot of you guys but I am following it and this is really strange. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next meeting with the detectives, that's for sure.

Owlface

03-11-2009, 04:16 PM

LOL, I can see it too, but would he really say baby? You're funny.

Actually, in the video of her and her mom she was asked what he said or how did he do it (pop the question) and she said he said "Baby, will you marry me?" (as he was picking up the chili fry).

Heyes

03-11-2009, 04:26 PM

OK several of you have mentioned hinky meters.......I want one, where can I get one? How much are they? Can I get one at KMart? Do they need batteries? Are they hard to operate?

I'm gettin giddy, who mentioned happy hour earlier????

Handing oceanviewnan a yummy cocktail! It's happy hour now! lol
My hinky meter magically showed up during the scott peterson trial. It's a cute little meter mysteriously planted in your brain. You don't know when that hinky fairy shows up, all you know is one day you'll be reading about a suspect and DING DING DING! It's crazy, I know! However so far no batteries are needed and it's all automatic.
Hinky meter alarms: scott peterson
Joran vandersloot
Casey anthony
last night about 5:00 Misty and Ron
lol

caphill

03-11-2009, 04:27 PM

In passing I think I just heard on HLN that Crystal has obtained an attorney.

Heyes

03-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Hey Heyes!!

Long tine no see. We sure had a team going on the Natalee board.

Odd thing I heard a TH say on JVM shpw's yesterday. At least I think it was hers, as I try and Tivo them all. The guest said, it was odd the county was forcing Ron's family to break down the tent site at such a time, but then again, perhaps they were hoping to find some clues left behind. Who knows?

moo

Hi there Swarovski!
Great to post with you again!
The Natalee board, wow there were some hard core posters there! lol
Removing the tents. I was actually going to bring that up.
I know I sure hadn't thought about that but it's a good idea.
What do you think? Possible?
wonder if it's true. Ugh, we need a webcam!

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:32 PM

I think the Sheffield's also had a tent set up in the area of the MH, and they, too were asked to move. I believe they found a different location.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:34 PM

http://www.wftv.com/news/18851382/detail.html

snipped and bolded by me:

The family of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings has been asked to move their tents from property near their home in Putnam County.

The landowner asked both Ron Cummings and Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield to relocate. Family members said they're not giving up hope that Haleigh will come home alive.

TxLady2

03-11-2009, 04:37 PM

I remember reading someone posted that too. That doesn't make sense. I have heard of 12 hour shifts but 10 is strange.

There are many companies that work 10 hr shifts. My husband's job just changed from 8 hr shifts, 5 days, to 10 hr shifts, 4 days, then they cut their hours to 32 a week, just this week. In this bad economy, it could be worse, I guess. But these 4 day work weeks have been around for several years.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:39 PM

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 04:40 PM

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 04:43 PM

Well I for one was shocked to hear that Ron proposed to Misty. For the very first time I actually was shocked when JVM said something was "Shocking". She does overdo that word lately, don't ya think?
I saw a quick video of Misti's interview. The one in the purple shirt showing off her new ring. I must say she sure did have a little dance in her step. Smiling, happy! WTH is going on with these people? Now my hinky meter is off the charts. Something is seriously wrong here. Not buying into JVM's speech on how Ron's heart is broken so maybe a wedding will help comfort him. Nope, ain't buying a word of that. IMO
I'm not following this case as closely as a lot of you guys but I am following it and this is really strange. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next meeting with the detectives, that's for sure.

I don't buy a wedding in the midst of having a missing child is a comfort. IMO, it is more of a distraction. I mean, a child is missing for a month, but the father and his bride to be believe getting married right away is the thing to do. After all, it is what Haleigh wanted, according to Misty and the family. The part that doesn't sit well with me about that is the fact that Haleigh is supposed to be in the wedding, according to the family. I dunno, if I had planned a wedding and my missing daughter was supposed to be in it, I wouldn't be going through with the wedding until I knew she was back home.

On the other hand, I don't live in their world as has been mentioned in previous posts.

JMO though.

TxLady2

03-11-2009, 04:43 PM

<snipped>

What do you think separates him from other people who have loved AND killed their child(ren) or spouse?

Sharon Rocha would have said the same exact things about Scott Peterson - that he loved Laci & would not hurt her.

Freddy Kassab at one point strongly believed Jeffrey MacDonald loved his wife & children & would not hurt them.

Diane Downs' parents STILL believe she loved her children and would not hurt them. Darlie Routier's mother believes the same about her own daughter.

All of those families have/had pictures of the murderer smiling, playing, looking happy & darn near the perfect image of bliss with the same people they cold-bloodedly MURDERED.

What did their families not see, what did they miss? What do you, a non-family member, possess that allows you to state with such conviction that Ron could not be just like those murderers?

I really don't get the logic behind the posts from different people claiming that happy looks or smiling photos guarantee innocence when we have all known of so many other cases in which those looks & those smiles were on the faces of cruel, heartless, selfish murderers.

JMO

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

caphill

03-11-2009, 04:44 PM

In passing I think I just heard on HLN that Crystal has obtained an attorney.

I am posting to myself. I heard the report again that NG will be interviewing Crystal on why she has obtained an attorney.

Maybe she has decided she wants to challenge the existing custody order. Maybe she wants an attorney based on something going on in the interrogations. I might break down and watch NG tonight.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:46 PM

So I wonder if they all clocked out at the same time and Ron's co workers put him there at that time.

imo

I posted a link earlier, from the JVM show, that says by LE that his alibi was confirmed? I don't know if LE would call it "confirmed" if he was not there the entire shift. imo ...if Ron was not there for his normal amount of time, I wouldn't think LE would say "confirmed."

But that's the way I take it. These people that run these shows...NEVER ask the important follow up questions. I bet Greta would have...wish she was covering this more...

imo

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:49 PM

Being that the Sheffield party was nowhere in the vicinty of Hayleigh's disappearance, I doubt LE would waste their manpower of five investigators to spend much time at the Sheffield's site. I know the Sheffield's were also asked to relocate. Crystal said they would be at the new site daily but would leave for the night. I wonder who will man the Cummings site when the nupitials take place.

moo

Oh I didn't say that LE would? I was just pointing out that both were asked to relocate, just sayin'

caphill

03-11-2009, 04:53 PM

Someone also wondered if Ron was indeed a crane operator:

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d12-George-Anthony-offers-support-to-father-of-missing-girl-Haleigh-Cummings

Cummings returned home from his job as a crane operator at about 3 a.m. He and Croslin called 911 after discovering Haleigh was missing.

snipped and bolded by me..

The fact the LE stated this is an abduction is good enough for me. It seems obvious that there was no evidence of blood or anything to suggest Hayleigh was murdered in the home. The search dogs followed her scent from the trailer. He LE has repeatedly stated he has been fully cooperating with them.

There is no reason for Ron to have arranged to have her abducted as he already was the custodial parent. He was wasn't the one that behind in child support.

TxLady2

03-11-2009, 04:56 PM

Well I for one was shocked to hear that Ron proposed to Misty. For the very first time I actually was shocked when JVM said something was "Shocking". She does overdo that word lately, don't ya think?
I saw a quick video of Misti's interview. The one in the purple shirt showing off her new ring. I must say she sure did have a little dance in her step. Smiling, happy! WTH is going on with these people? Now my hinky meter is off the charts. Something is seriously wrong here. Not buying into JVM's speech on how Ron's heart is broken so maybe a wedding will help comfort him. Nope, ain't buying a word of that. IMO
I'm not following this case as closely as a lot of you guys but I am following it and this is really strange. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next meeting with the detectives, that's for sure.

I agree. Just a few days ago, his mom was saying he was so beat up in the media he couldn't appear on t.v. to plead for his daughter's return. A few days before that, he went and got a tatoo. Ok, that's no biggie. But people sure criticized Casey for getting one while Caylee was missing. Now this engagement, and the public proposal. And the clips of them at the courthouse, Ron did NOT seem like the happy fiance to me, while Misty was beaming, and her mom too.
And I think it was in VERY poor taste for her to say this is what Haleigh always wanted, for them to be a family. BS! Haleigh has a mother, and not many kids want to replace their real mommy.
Anyhow, this is just bad timing. Who could think of planning a wedding while their child is missing and possibly dead? I can think of a lot of people who would put off going out to eat, much less getting married. I understand that it was TN's birthday... how could she celebrate her birthday? I like the woman, but really..... :unsure:
I'm not ready to accuse any of them yet, but something just ain't right.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 04:57 PM

The fact the LE stated this is an abduction is good enough for me. It seems obvious that there was no evidence of blood or anything to suggest Hayleigh was murdered in the home. The search dogs followed her scent from the trailer. He LE has repeatedly stated he has been fully cooperating with them.

There is no reason for Ron to have arranged to have her abducted as he already was the custodial parent. He was wasn't the one that behind in child support.

I think Misty left the doors unlocked...

beachpatty

03-11-2009, 04:57 PM

Thanx everybody for keeping me up to date, I realize there is not much new, but reading the opinions and links provided ARE helping to keep the search for Haleigh active. No one here would hesitate to drop a dime (showing my age there) to alert LE to anything that MIGHT be pertinent, that was discovered thru merely brainstorming here. It's only gonna take ONE teeny tiny clue or slip up, or even a shadow of doubt, to break this whole thing wide open. I have learned to read over the sparing and the personal disagreements, people are people. I do think we are honoring Haleigh, just by caring :)

With that said & happy hour previously mentioned, that sounds like a good idea! If anyone wants to join me, I'll be @ the tiki bar (aka The Swamp) @ the Shell Factory, I'd be happy to buy you a brew:)

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 05:01 PM

I am really curious why some think Crystal is a better parent than Ron??

On whos watch did the child disappear? There is no doubt in my mind he did slap and hit Haleigh, and hes marrying a teen.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 05:02 PM

I think Misty left the doors unlocked...

That's another one of my theories. It could have even been accidental.

DenVIP

03-11-2009, 05:03 PM

can someone tell me if Crystal was going for physical custody of the children? just trying to eliminate people and form some basic assumptions.
Haleigh is unaccounted for (either lost, abudcted or hidden) LE says it doesn't know what crime probably because no signs of physical hard or struggle in the house....no apparent forced entry......gone between 1030 and 3 based on Misty and now nothing
Any other facts to add?
I want to get back to trying to solve a mystery and away from the bashing of individuals.....I confess I'm not happy with some of the parties poor judgments or lifestyles but that is not our place to be judgmental of them........can we stick to the case facts

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:03 PM

Yes, I remember looking forever for that link.

yeah, no transcripts for his show... and like I said before why not ask a follow up question on that topic?

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 05:04 PM

Yes, I remember looking forever for that link.

We took quite the beating, didn't we?

:wink:

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 05:04 PM

That doesn't prove Ron did anything to Haleigh.
jmo

Right, but his child could be getting raped by a pedophile and hes eating at chillis and planning a wedding to a child.

Its gross.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:11 PM

We took quite the beating, didn't we?

:wink:

I believe you guys..lol..but I was looking for transcripts to see with my own eyes....I have no reason to doubt the two of you...

caphill

03-11-2009, 05:16 PM

Crystal's new advocate did say she was going to suggust that Crystal retain an atty. I'm glad she's taking her advice. She's going to need all the legal help she can muster to get ohysical custody of Junior.

moo

What has changed for Crystal that she could get the custody order reversed? Jr has been in the custody of his father since he was he was a small baby. The current loss of his sister and to up root him from his father might not be something the court would want to do.

These decisions of who gets custody are to made in the best interest of the child not in the best interests of the either parent. The records show Crystal was not meeting the court order to pay support. It doesn't appear that she is any more responsibile to her obligations to Haleigh or JR than she was when she lost primary custody.

If she has excuses as to why she couldn't work and help support the kids, what has changed that she can show she can afford to support her kids if she had custody. If she argues that she is living with her boyfriend and he is willing to support them, then why wasn't he helping her support them to date. Why would Crystal risk losing visitation with the kids with lack of support payments required by the courts.

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:16 PM

Here ya go Mr. Lucky

Someone captured the RR Crossing. He thinks there's a camera betweeen the lights. Oh I hope that camera was working that night. It would explain so much.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4654.1720

Thanks for that Swarovski, can't really tell if it's a camera or not.
In a couple of later posts it shows the bus stop on Buffalo Bluff Rd, I thought the bus stop was at Tyler and Monroe.

JMO

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:20 PM

OH, YES and if she is too silly to see that now...why are her parents so crazy to sign those papers. I would have NEVER signed them.

Not sure if you're a parent. But most of here make sure our children get to school, would never just kick them out of the house, without trying to work through the problems, and, you're right, probably none of us would have signed those papers, or let our 17 yo daughter live with an older guy w/children....

But, there are plenty of parents that don't raise their children in the manner that we do. We want our children to be educated, and do everything in our power to see that they get off to a good start and grow up ready to face adulthood. It's sad for sure, but unfortunately many parents can't/won't put that as a priority... not all that uncommon....sadly..

Peaches

03-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Thanks for that Swarovski, can't really tell if it's a camera or not.
In a couple of later posts it shows the bus stop on Buffalo Bluff Rd, I thought the bus stop was at Tyler and Monroe.

JMO

Mr. Lucky,

How long do you think it would take Ron to drive to work? TIA

Motomom

03-11-2009, 05:26 PM

What has changed for Crystal that she could get the custody order reversed? Jr has been in the custody of his father since he was he was a small baby. The current loss of his sister and to up root him from his father might not be something the court would want to do.

These decisions of who gets custody are to made in the best interest of the child not in the best interests of the either parent. The records show Crystal was not meeting the court order to pay support. It doesn't appear that she is any more responsibile to her obligations to Haleigh or JR than she was when she lost primary custody.

If she has excuses as to why she couldn't work and help support the kids, what has changed that she can show she can afford to support her kids if she had custody. If she argues that she is living with her boyfriend and he is willing to support them, then why wasn't he helping her support them to date. Why would Crystal risk losing visitation with the kids with lack of support payments required by the courts.

I'm glad you brought this up cap. Until there is evidence that Ron has harmed his child, his son should not be taken from him. I am not understanding the mindset of those that want him ripped from basically the only home he's had, with his father for 4 yrs. His sister is gone, and now there are those that want him taken from his father? Based on nothing IMO. Based on nothing but suspicioun IMO. Let me ask, all the other children that were abducted from their homes, their beds, their front yards... Should those people lose custody of their other children too?
Don't get me wrong, the day I see something that indicates that Ron his some how responsible for this, is the day I change my mind :)

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 05:26 PM

besides, if they REALLY wanted to get married for "comfort" to each other, they could have gotten a license (after Misty's mommy signed for it, of course) and gotten married by a Minister or Justice of the Peace with no afore-hand press announcement and no wedding plans.

I used to occassionally watch Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was an episode where Dog and Beth were finally getting married, but one of his twelve children (from 4 different women) was killed the night before in a car accident. I understood about going ahead with the marriage ceremony itself, and maybe going ahead with the planned meal for the guests, but THEY WENT ON AS IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED. FULL ON CEREMONY WITH BETH WALKING DOWN THE AISLE AND DOG APPEARING IN A HAWAIIAN CANOE, THE DJ, DANCING, WHOLE BIT.

This is kind of what Ron and Misty remind me of right now.

:ohmy: WOW, how do people stuff that kind of emotion away?!? How could anybody feel any sense of joy?

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:27 PM

Anyone in a vehicle leaving or visting the Cummings that day and evening woould have to drive by that camera if it was operating. That would include the air cond. guy, the grandmother, and Misty's brother.

moo

Does GGrandma and Misty's brother, live in that trailer park? I think her brother does. If any of them do live there then I'm not so sure the camera would be helpful...AC, probably would have used the entrance??

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:30 PM

Mr. Lucky,

How long do you think it would take Ron to drive to work? TIA

From what I have seen as the placed he worked between 10 and 15 minutes.

JMO

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:31 PM

Let me tell you my hinky meter story.
When this story first broke and all we knew was there was a 911 delay. My meter was at a about 4. I was watch ing w/ my 16 yr old and I listed reasons why an adult would harm a child and because it was the middle of the night, bedwetting was at the top of my list. Well low and behold a couple days later there is Misty explaining to me some kind of bedwetting story.......need less to say my meter went off the charts!! Kinda like a OJ moment.

As hard as I try to look elsewhere, I always go back to Misty!!Good post TT. I am the same but different..lol..I keep going over what we do know and i also end up back at Misty and for no ONE reason. Its one of those times where you just can't put your finger on it but you know its there. jmo

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 05:32 PM

Mr. Lucky,

How long do you think it would take Ron to drive to work? TIA

IIRC, RC's mom said it took him about 20 minutes to drive to work. I suppose there could be a few minutes variable in there depending on traffic and such.

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:34 PM

On whos watch did the child disappear? There is no doubt in my mind he did slap and hit Haleigh, and hes marrying a teen.Possibly another female he can control???

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:39 PM

If Crystal is retaining a lawyer to get custody of Jr., I bet we will no longer hear Crystal or her mom on air wGeraldo or anyone else making accusations.....

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:41 PM

Mr. L...I never paid that much attention to where the bus stop was. Do you think this is critical info we should know? Is Buffalo Bluff Rd. a long walk, I forget.

It would be a longer walk than to Tyler and Monroe, the map I've been using doesn't have a scale. From what I have seen in Florida the stop for Haleigh would not be on Buffalo Bluff.

JMO

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 05:42 PM

Why haven't we heard anything more about the van LE took? Did they release it? Whose was it?

I would also like to see cell phone records of Ron, Misty, Crystal and Chad for the night Haleigh went missing. Also Crystal's moms.

Why did LE send TES home? If they thought Ron and/or Misty murdered Haleigh wouldn't they think her body would be around that area? Did Misty even have a car that she could have used to get rid of a body?

So many questions. As soon as I think I am leading one way I go on to another.

:confused:

imo

Peaches

03-11-2009, 05:43 PM

IIRC, RC's mom said it took him about 20 minutes to drive to work. I suppose there could be a few minutes variable in there depending on traffic and such.

Then why are some posting that he was 10 minutes from home. I knew that I had heard earlier that it was longer than that..............that's why I asked Mr. Lucky. I think he is from around there????????????

Not sure.....just think.

Grandview

03-11-2009, 05:44 PM

Headline News just said the new attorney for Crystal is Kim Picazio. NG will interview her tonight.

www.picaziolaw.com

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 05:44 PM

As I asked, what can Ron do that LE can't.

LEts see.

He could act like his child is missing, he could be out searching, even if its for bones, instead of marring his body up like a memorial before we even know what happened to the girl. He could maybe, just maybe muster up some class and postpone his engagement to a child until he finds his, or is Misty the replacement child?

See, the LE solves cases, they dont have investments in this child Ron Cummings should. He is a sex offender all in his own right, and you will never , ever see me give him any slack.

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:45 PM

besides, if they REALLY wanted to get married for "comfort" to each other, they could have gotten a license (after Misty's mommy signed for it, of course) and gotten married by a Minister or Justice of the Peace with no afore-hand press announcement and no wedding plans.

I used to occassionally watch Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was an episode where Dog and Beth were finally getting married, but one of his twelve children (from 4 different women) was killed the night before in a car accident. I understood about going ahead with the marriage ceremony itself, and maybe going ahead with the planned meal for the guests, but THEY WENT ON AS IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED. FULL ON CEREMONY WITH BETH WALKING DOWN THE AISLE AND DOG APPEARING IN A HAWAIIAN CANOE, THE DJ, DANCING, WHOLE BIT.

This is kind of what Ron and Misty remind me of right now."Getting married to comfort each other."If your child has vanished..no trace...into thin air what parent/family member would even think of getting married. How could this/anything bring ANY comfort. If this was me in this position I know for a fact there is NOTHING that would "comfort" me except the return of my baby. I would barely be able to breathe much say "I do." This statement made no sense when it was made and makes less now that I have come out of shock from the Wedding news. jmo

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:46 PM

IIRC, RC's mom said it took him about 20 minutes to drive to work. I suppose there could be a few minutes variable in there depending on traffic and such.

Correct Katy, from recall of that area there would be 2 traffic lights between home and work and only 1 on the way back..

JMO

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:47 PM

WOW!.....Thanks Sw!!
You sure do find out everything.
YES she does. :thumbsup:for Sw.....

Peaches

03-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Correct Katy, from recall of that area there would be 2 traffic lights between home and work and only 1 on the way back..

JMO

Thanks Mr. Lucky...............I know that many will take your word

Soooooooooooooo it takes Ron at least 20 minutes to and from work.

That's settled....................:thumbsup:

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:49 PM

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 05:49 PM

If Crystal is retaining a lawyer to get custody of Jr., I bet we will no longer hear Crystal or her mom on air wGeraldo or anyone else making accusations.....

I think I'll wait to see exactly what type of attorney she has retained; whether it's Family Law, Criminal Defense, or Media Relations (like Mark NeJame was for the Anthonys).

I think caphill posted that Crystal was supposed to be on NG tonight. We should know then.

Hopefully.

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 05:50 PM

"Getting married to comfort each other."If your child has vanished..no trace...into thin air what parent/family member would even think of getting married. How could this/anything bring ANY comfort. If this was me in this position I know for a fact there is NOTHING that would "comfort" me except the return of my baby. I would barely be able to breathe much say "I do." This statement made no sense when it was made and makes less now that I have come out of shock from the Wedding news. jmo

I can tell you exactly why Ron is getting married.

He know Crystal is going to fight for Jr, and shes going to win. He is going to play the, oh let Jr be with a married couple, Crystal isn't married, courts favor married parents, but this is one court battle Ron wont win or get dismissed, thank god.

jmo

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:50 PM

OH, I did not take it that way from you.

If you are like me, sometimes I can form a better opinion by reading the links. Sometimes they have more information in them.

Oh, I know....I like to have links also..Not that anyone would intentionally post innacurate information..sometimes rumor gets innocently turned into fact...Basically, we have very few facts...

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:50 PM

Anyone in a vehicle leaving or visting the Cummings that day and evening woould have to drive by that camera if it was operating. That would include the air cond. guy, the grandmother, and Misty's brother.

mooAnd we still have NO NAME for a/c man? I hope w/all me heart you are onto something here SW. You go girl.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 05:52 PM

Headline News just said the new attorney for Crystal is Kim Picazio. NG will interview her tonight.

www.picaziolaw.com

Ah, she specializes in Family and Matrimonial Law.

Thanks!

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 05:53 PM

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 05:54 PM

http://www.picaziolaw.com/jsp3596787.jsp

Kim L. Picazio

Areas:

Family/Matrimonial Law(90%); Contracts(5%); Civil Litigation(5%).

someone else posted the link. Crystal's lawyer...

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 05:56 PM

Lets see. LE knows the ages of Ron and Misty, right?? They have done nothing, as of yet, right??
Ron has searched, as have others. Maybe you could tell him in which direction to go next.
Yea, he could postpone his engagement. Thats not my call.
Keep your slack, I didn't ask for any.
jmo
You dont ask for slack, thats hilarious.

They also see Misty smoking and have done nothing, so it really doesn't matter, he should be arrested, he is breaking the law by having sex with a child.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 05:56 PM

http://www.picaziolaw.com/jsp3596787.jsp

Kim L. Picazio

http://www.picaziolaw.com/jsp3596787.jspPractice Areas:

Family/Matrimonial Law(90%); Contracts(5%); Civil Litigation(5%).

someone else posted the link. Crystal's lawyer...

I wish she had her back in '05. But that's just me.

Maybe we wouldn't be here today.

Texas48

03-11-2009, 05:59 PM

:ohmy: WOW, how do people stuff that kind of emotion away?!? How could anybody feel any sense of joy?Your last sentence says it ALL Katy.

Texas48

03-11-2009, 06:00 PM

:lol: Let us start with the fact that no kids in her custody are now missing.Enough said...short and sweet. You summed it up pretty good Brat.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:01 PM

Exactly Motomom. I am just not getting it. And if some want to put Ron down as being a ped, then Crystal is at fault also. She knew about Ron and Misty's ages. If Crystal really wanted her kids, she would have from the first day of hearing about Misty, taken Ron to court. I know I would have.
jmo

I have to tell you doneit I am so tired of the Crystal/Ron bashing. Neither are perfect. Some people only want to see one side, not even comprehending what the other side is trying to say IMO. I excuse neither of their pasts. Crystal had the last 3 yrs to get those kids and she didn't, for whatever reason. The court granted custody to Ron, for whatever reason. I imagine that may be taken into account as well if Crystal goes for Junior now. I can't say I would blame her, yet at the same time, if she feels Ron did not harm Haleigh, then what would be her basis? Spite? Do you see what I'm asking here? If she believes that Ron had somethign to do with this, then she's had the last month to file paperwork to get Junior out of there asap. As far as I know, she hasn't done that, so again, why now? She might not be going after him for all we know.. or she might.. we'll soon see.

As for calling Ron a pedophile.. just silly IMO. If charges were pressed over him and Misty, he still wouldn't be considered a pedophile IMO.

lonetraveler

03-11-2009, 06:01 PM

I do not know!......I noticed Ron did not even open the door of the courthouse for his bride and mother/in/law to be. Not a good sign if you ask me. Yet the mother is just pleased as punch.

If this was not a SO stand back because this is going to expload all over the place.

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I've been sick with the flu and did not read this site for the last three days. After I saw on the news that Ron and Misty were engaged I had a complete relapse. Made me puke. Did you also notice the video when Ron, Misty and her mother were leaving the court house and he just walked right by his fiance and totally ignored her. She had just showed her diamond ring to the reporter, dirty nails and all and was so happy, remember it is what Haleigh wanted, yeah right. It seems to me that these people have really fell in love with the limelight. The little girl is forgotten. My opinion on why Ron wants to marry Misty. She knows too much. He either thinks that spousal privledge can come into play, (WRONG!) or maybe getting married was part of the deal they made when they decided to hide what happened to Haleigh and lie for each other. I do hope that LE is not totally clueless. If they are, this has been a total waste. Is the FBI still involved? To be sure, someone has a clue on what happened to this little girl. I do hope that everyone who is holding back information for whatever reason, will not be able to live with themselves.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:05 PM

Per Motomom: hope you don't mind.

Let me ask, all the other children that were abducted from their homes, their beds, their front yards... Should those people lose custody of their other children too?

How does anyone answer that???

Don't mind at all. how does anyone answer that?? good question, because IIRC some of those cases there was lots of speculation and rumors about their families (who ended up being innocent) at the times weren't there?

playnice

03-11-2009, 06:06 PM

Headline News just said the new attorney for Crystal is Kim Picazio. NG will interview her tonight.

www.picaziolaw.com

Practice Areas: Family/Matrimonial Law(90%); Contracts(5%); Civil Litigation(5%).

so my guess would be that she is planning on a custody suit and that explains the rush to marriage. No wonder Ron doesnt look as excited as his glowing fiancé.

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 06:07 PM

I guess, living in a small town I am sheltered as they say.

I also, got married at 17 - BUT, thanks to my own common since and most of all my parents - I graduated high school before I got married. I think I posted about this even today or maybe yesturday..LOL..I am confussing myself. I started school early so, I graduated at the age of 17 and turned 18 in August of the same year.

Anyway, I had to grow up fast - I was raised mostly by a single mom and I KNOW I made mistakes, but I was much more mature at 17 then Misty is.

I am a mom and and a grandma - they are my world! Oh, and my husband of 26 years..LOL.

At the same time, we did not get married with all the baggage that this family has. I don't mean to be snobby...I hope all of you understand what I mean.

I know what you mean..heck I didn't think you were being snobby at all!!! I was probably rambling...I have my laptop in the kitchen and trying to post and cook....not that great at either one!!lol

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 06:07 PM

How can Crystal afford an attorney? She couldn't pay her child support. Is she doing it pro bono?

imo

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 06:09 PM

Practice Areas: Family/Matrimonial Law(90%); Contracts(5%); Civil Litigation(5%).

so my guess would be that she is planning on a custody suit and that explains the rush to marriage. No wonder Ron doesnt look as excited as his glowing fiancé.

I too, think he saw this coming, and that's why the rush to get married. I think many have read much more into the wedding, and maybe there is. But, I think you nailed it..

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 06:10 PM

How can Crystal afford an attorney? She couldn't pay her child support. Is she doing it pro bono?

imo

She's supposed to be on NG tonight answering questions.

:shrug:

My guess is she's worked with the new spokesperson before.

JMO

playnice

03-11-2009, 06:11 PM

LOL...Get out of my head. I just posted the same.

:beer: Thanks for all the links you find for us.

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 06:11 PM

What are the laws in Fl for being in school? Shouldn't Misty be in school?

imo

bama__angel

03-11-2009, 06:11 PM

I too, think he saw this coming, and that's why the rush to get married. I think many have read much more into the wedding, and maybe there is. But, I think you nailed it..

I dont know..........just thinking out loud here........Why would a judge take a child away from Ron for not being married to Misty when Crystal apparently has the same living arrangements with her boyfriend or whatever he is?

Hmmmmmmmmm.... I guess we will see

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 06:12 PM

Then why are some posting that he was 10 minutes from home. I knew that I had heard earlier that it was longer than that..............that's why I asked Mr. Lucky. I think he is from around there????????????

Not sure.....just think.

Hmmm, I don't know, unless his mom wasn't sure.

cat3

03-11-2009, 06:12 PM

In my opinion,putting a label (child rapist,ped,and or SO) on a person that hasn't been convicted ,is way out of line.IMO

5boxersmom

03-11-2009, 06:12 PM

She's supposed to be on NG tonight answering questions.

:shrug:

My guess is she's worked with the new spokesperson before.

JMO

Be interesting. So now Ron is going to have to get an attorney.

imo

caphill

03-11-2009, 06:12 PM

Right, but his child could be getting raped by a pedophile and hes eating at chillis and planning a wedding to a child.

Its gross.

His child could have terrible things happening to her if Ron was curled up in ball refusing to eat or have any kind of life. IMO, the best thing for the family and little Jr is to try to have as much normalcy as possible in this horrific situation.

I think too much is being of made of the fact the family went out to dinner and Ron decided to ask Misty to marry him.

I didn't see anybody faulting Beth Twitty, mother of Natalee Hollaway, when she got a face lift and traveled around staying in the best hotels and eating in the best restaurants. During this time she also divorced her husband. I am not faulting her as I don't fault anyone who has their world turned upside down with a tragedy that is beyond their control.

Life goes on and people have to eat for Christ's sakes.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 06:13 PM

LOL...Get out of my head. I just posted the same.

And you have to admit, the custody agreement of '05 was the epitome of "ineffective assistance of counsel" for Crystal's behalf.

Texas48

03-11-2009, 06:14 PM

I guess, living in a small town I am sheltered as they say.

I also, got married at 17 - BUT, thanks to my own common since and most of all my parents - I graduated high school before I got married. I think I posted about this even today or maybe yesturday..LOL..I am confussing myself. I started school early so, I graduated at the age of 17 and turned 18 in August of the same year.

Anyway, I had to grow up fast - I was raised mostly by a single mom and I KNOW I made mistakes, but I was much more mature at 17 then Misty is.

I am a mom and and a grandma - they are my world! Oh, and my husband of 26 years..LOL.

At the same time, we did not get married with all the baggage that this family has. I don't mean to be snobby...I hope all of you understand what I mean. You are not being snobby ay all. Your post was great.:wub:

KatyDid

03-11-2009, 06:14 PM

Correct Katy, from recall of that area there would be 2 traffic lights between home and work and only 1 on the way back..

JMO

TY! I hadn't read your reply here before I posted my last post. I'm trying to keep up between meeting work deadlines. :blushing:

IlliniFan

03-11-2009, 06:15 PM

Yeah, but Ron's
baggage is going to be Misty...Bad move.

moo

Oh gosh, I'm not at all saying it's a good move on any level...I'll have to check my post, I'm sure I didn't say or imply that.....

Just saying I believe that could very well be what prompted the upcoming wedding.....

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 06:17 PM

Looks like we are comming up on 1000

New Thread ready and waiting

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12880920#post12880920

playnice

03-11-2009, 06:17 PM

I dont know..........just thinking out loud here........Why would a judge take a child away from Ron for not being married to Misty when Crystal apparently has the same living arrangements with her boyfriend or whatever he is?

Hmmmmmmmmm.... I guess we will see

Because of her age and the possibility that he could be charged for sex with a minor. If they get married with parental consent LE cant really do anything about it I dont think. If she is his wife it will go better in a custody suit and override that little detail somewhat.

I dont see unless something changes that Haleigh disappearing can be used against Misti IF she is not charged for a crime OR negligence.
If it comes out that she was not at home big problem. negligence. Then Crystal would have good grounds.

CelticDawn

03-11-2009, 06:18 PM

I never said it was right, ok?

I believe that would fall into a different category for LE. We have the ones there for a missing child. There should be another department that handles sex crimes, right?? So what would it take for the one dept. to have the other dept. check up on it??
Also, I doubt there's a dept. for underage smoking, but who knows.

jmo

If they arrested every man for statuatory rape that had an underaged girlfriend, Im sure thatthey would overflow their lockups in one day.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:20 PM

Yeah, but Ron's
baggage is going to be Misty...Bad move.

moo

I agree with you here Swar.. bad move and could backfire on him. I wonder if someone is advising him?

bkwits

03-11-2009, 06:20 PM

LEts see.

He could act like his child is missing, he could be out searching, even if its for bones, instead of marring his body up like a memorial before we even know what happened to the girl. He could maybe, just maybe muster up some class and postpone his engagement to a child until he finds his, or is Misty the replacement child?

See, the LE solves cases, they dont have investments in this child Ron Cummings should. He is a sex offender all in his own right, and you will never , ever see me give him any slack.

WOW, that is a rather harsh judgment, IMO.

playnice

03-11-2009, 06:21 PM

I wonder who we could call to find out???

scared to get hopes up on this one. Its a month later so if it was working it seems like LE would have made a move on someone by now.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:22 PM

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:23 PM

IF charges were pressed against Ron and IF Ron was convicted, he'd be a child rapist and would be required to register as a Sex Offender.

It's not goign to happen, because it's not a priority when there is no complainant.

He would not be a pedophile. He would be a sex offender, probably teir 1.. IMO

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 06:25 PM

I wonder who we could call to find out???

Probably the CSX railroad, they would be responsible for the RR crossing.

JMO

cat3

03-11-2009, 06:27 PM

So I guess then labeling Casey Anthony a murderer is way out of line?

I guess you must have missed the use of the word "IF" when discussing the presumed sex-with-a-minor aspect of Ron's life (for apparently the second time in just a couple of years).

No I didn't miss the word "IF",however since the person in question isn't listed on a sex offender registry,it IS out of line IMO.
In spite of Florida laws and what may be,or could be,it hasn't of this date been filed that Ron is guilty of any type of sexual misconduct against minors.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:32 PM

You got it. I'll go back to Mr. Sessions last night, whose daughter has been missing for 20 yrs.
I would think he should still be crawled into a ball if left up to some.
jmo

Bringing this post over. I know it has only been a month, but IMO there is not much more the family can do. Their only option IMO is getting themselves settled into whatever home they are, and go back to work and get back to life. I know it sounds terrible, and I can't even say what I would do if I were in any of their shoes..but there is nothing mroe than can do IMO.. They are cooperating with Le and should be staying in contact with them daily. They should get her picture out wherever they can..

When it comes down to it, poor Haleigh is gone.. but Junior is still there and Chloe. Chloe is a baby and she needs the comfort of her mothers arms available to her at all times. Junior needs to be comforted over this ordeal as well. He needs to be with what he knows, and his little life needs to get back to a little bit of normalcy IMO.

Please dont' get me wrong, I am in no way suggesting they stop looking for Haleigh.. not ever but they can look, while getting back to the normal things in life. The economy is tough right now, they need steady money coming into their homes IMO.

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:35 PM

I don`t think there are any FREE advisor's for men. Men had better get together and start forming their own coalition.

Well I hope somebody steps up for him too. You are right.. Wonder why that is too.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2009, 06:36 PM

I don`t think there are any FREE advisor's for men. Men had better get together and start forming their own coalition.

No, but they do get free tattoos!

Motomom

03-11-2009, 06:39 PM

Yes it could. But what is the difference whether or not he gets married?? I don't see any difference in lifestyles between Ron or Crystal. Neither are married as of yet?
jmo

Yeah, he doesn't have to get married. He got custody of the children before and was not married. There is no difference..well a slight one but I'd discuss it in pm with you :)

Neither are married.. neither are perfect. So why did he propose to her though? I want to know LOL

cat3

03-11-2009, 06:39 PM

innocent until proven guilty only applies in a court of law.

and questioning the relationship of a 25 year old man who has three children (one of whom is missing without a trace) with a 17 year old girl who is a 7th grade drop-out who just happened to be the person on duty when said child went missing without a trace is very much in line.

Your post on here wasn't the only post regarding Ron and his misdeeds as far as his relationships.
Without going back and locating all of the posts,I would say from memory that there were some fairly strong comments that I felt were out of line.It isn't my intention to try and stop people from certain comments,but it is an awful label to put on a person that hasn't been convicted.IMO

bama__angel

03-11-2009, 06:45 PM

If they arrested every man for statuatory rape that had an underaged girlfriend, Im sure thatthey would overflow their lockups in one day.

Then we have to throw in the women having sex with underage boys...................so we completely run out of prison bunks....

lonetraveler

03-11-2009, 06:53 PM

His child could have terrible things happening to her if Ron was curled up in ball refusing to eat or have any kind of life. IMO, the best thing for the family and little Jr is to try to have as much normalcy as possible in this horrific situation.

I think too much is being of made of the fact the family went out to dinner and Ron decided to ask Misty to marry him.

I didn't see anybody faulting Beth Twitty, mother of Natalee Hollaway, when she got a face lift and traveled around staying in the best hotels and eating in the best restaurants. During this time she also divorced her husband. I am not faulting her as I don't fault anyone who has their world turned upside down with a tragedy that is beyond their control.

Life goes on and people have to eat for Christ's sakes.

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How long after Natalie's disappearance did Beth Twitty do this??

?noanswer

03-11-2009, 07:09 PM

And you have to admit, the custody agreement of '05 was the epitome of "ineffective assistance of counsel" for Crystal's behalf.

Does anyone know if RC had an attorney? JMO

Januarybaby

03-11-2009, 07:15 PM

I can tell you exactly why Ron is getting married.

He know Crystal is going to fight for Jr, and shes going to win. He is going to play the, oh let Jr be with a married couple, Crystal isn't married, courts favor married parents, but this is one court battle Ron wont win or get dismissed, thank god.

jmo

Maybe a judge with sense will take into consideration a 17 yr old married to a 25 yr old ( and the circumstances) playing house isnt a fit environment for those kids, at least I dont think it is and it is only my opinion.

Grandview

03-11-2009, 07:20 PM

Does anyone know if RC had an attorney? JMO

He did not, going by the links that were posted. He represented himself and had documents, names and phone #'s for the Judge.

Learning to put . IMO.

odyssey

03-11-2009, 07:22 PM

WOW!.....Thanks Sw!!
You sure do find out everything.

Yep without ever crediting the place she is taking everything from ... confuses me.

jmoo

caphill

03-11-2009, 07:26 PM

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How long after Natalie's disappearance did Beth Twitty do this??

I am not going to get in long debate over the comparison of Beth Twitty and Ron Cummings dinners. Beth was staying at hotels and dining at the best restaurants from the time she first arrived in Aruba. I reiterate I find no fault with people who are in the midst of a crisis that still sit down at table to eat. The better the restaurant .....good for them.

Mimi428

03-11-2009, 07:29 PM

No one answered your ? earlier. I reposted it. I know. I know. Everyone must have missed it. So here goes again.

Should all the parents who had a child go missing, on their watch, should they all lose custody now??
jmo

Maybe no one answered it because it is such an obvious example of begging the question.

I didn't answer it because I think it is patently obvious that issues such as that are not going to have ALL OR NOTHING answers. I don't see the point of getting involved in discussing different aspects with folks who take extremist positions.

Events in life, events in criminal cases are not going to be sorted into only one of two categories - each one being the polar opposite of the other. I would hope that anyone old enough to join this message board would have enough experience in life to comprehend that while peoples' lives have common elements they also have variations amidst those elements.

JMO

KKKKKKatie

03-11-2009, 07:34 PM

Please join us on the evening thread

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12881159#post12881159

Peaches

03-11-2009, 07:35 PM

Everyone..............there is a part 2 for today already.

See you there!

caphill

03-11-2009, 07:37 PM

Maybe a judge with sense will take into consideration a 17 yr old married to a 25 yr old ( and the circumstances) playing house isnt a fit environment for those kids, at least I dont think it is and it is only my opinion.

I keep doing what I say I am not going to do. I don't want to bash either parent. Unless one parent or the other is involved, I believe both are suffering over this lost child.

Doesn't public records show that Crystal's fiance had a restraining order against him for a couple years for domestic violence involving children. At least as far as we know Misty has no history of violence.

Speedy30

03-11-2009, 07:57 PM

Ok, whats stopping Crystal from getting married?? I wonder why she isn't already???

Maybe its fresh in her mind her child is missing? Maybe she fears Haleigh is being raped and tortured or rotting somewhere? Ya know, normal stuff.

Peaches

03-11-2009, 08:03 PM

Maybe its fresh in her mind her child is missing? Maybe she fears Haleigh is being raped and tortured or rotting somewhere? Ya know, normal stuff.

My question is why is she not already married..............She already has a child with this man.

Does she not believe in that song

first comes marriage
and then comes mom pushing a baby carriage................

After 3 times............it seems she would get the picture.

What has happened to:

Moral
Family Values
Principals
???????????????????????????????????????????

All moo

MrLucky917B

03-11-2009, 08:11 PM

new thread over here, this one closeing soon

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12880920#post12880920

FrankieBones1

03-11-2009, 08:54 PM

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How long after Natalie's disappearance did Beth Twitty do this??It was a long, long time after her daughter went missing. It's a shame that some need to trash Beth after all this time.

I'm not sure what to think of Ron and Misty's engagement. If it helps them in their grief, then that's okay. If it was for legal reasons then it seems not so good.