Wednesday March 11, 2009

[Owlface]

Bolded.. I'm sure it's been addressed. Crystal has a new baby, Chloe and she is engaged (?) to that baby's father, Chad Griffis(th?). That's all fact, all out there on the links threads already, from the beginning of the case. Not sure how old the baby is.. going to guess around a yr or so.. So really.. it is not about as much a fact.

Here's what I don't get with some of the theories or thoughts. If Ron has this 3rd child as misti states, why not own up to it? Either he doesn't know for fact, or it has no relevancy to this case (which it doesn't IMO). If he does know why isn't he getting visitation? He obviously wanted his first 2 children with him, why not the third? Maybe that girl is doing well with raising him alone? IDK... Then there is Misty.. You know, my feelings on her change with the wind. IF you believe that she told Ron to get his other kid before something happened.. what exactly does that mean? I'm seperating the comment posted about getting her man..because that is just teenager drama IMO (to the extreme maybe).. so she wants Ron to get custody of this boy? IFshe wasn't happy (if she indeed had a hand in haleighs dissappearance ), with helping Ron raise two kids why would she encourage him to bring in a third? That doesn't make sense to me. Is it possible that she was good to these kids and did love these kids and did take care of them?


It's my understanding that that's how she and Ron met - Misty was babysitting the child in question and she went to Ron and told him to get that child. That's when they first met. No link, just what I remember.

[CANDYKISSES]

There would be no DNA needed. He is her step brother. STEP.. not HALF.. NO BLOOD relation. Supposedly her and he were together before her mother and his father. JMO

:huh:That's why I thought she was seeking paternity on Chloe. Geez, how could something so simple be such a mess for some? :unsure: JMO

[Deb7]

Being serious here, but I honestly believe this other girl and her baby should be left out of these discussions. If she has a problem with Ron she will do something about it. Misty wasn't there when this baby was conceived. She was babysitting. Leave them alone until this girl does or says something, if it concerns Ron. She has nothing to do with Haleigh missing.
jmo

I think there are a lot of things being discussed that have nothing to do with Haleigh missing. However, I don't know for sure that this mystery girl has nothing to do with Haleigh missing. She could very well be the key to the whole case as far as anyone knows. How do we know she has nothing to do with it? We don't. But it would be pure speculation to suggest that she does or that she might. I'm glad you brought it up though, I wouldn't have thought of her being involved before you said that, and now my mind has another theory floating around.
Anyway, JMO and I do appreciate your post. Thanks. :)

[ICE]

I don't understand the critisizm of Crystal. She was not even in town when Haleigh vanished. It's understandable why Ron and Misty are scrutinized since they were there during, or shortly after.

[CANDYKISSES]

By George, I think you've got it!

Can you please provide the establishment of paternity, custody and support for RON? :ohmy:

[annalyzer]

Sheriff Hardy was sure giving Ron's back the evil eye when Ron was mumbling his usual baby i love you mantra, in his somnolent way. Being the new guy on the force he must be so disappointed he can't crack this case. This force needs Yuri Melich.


moo

His pleading sounded so fake. What's with the dark sunglasses? If you're going to plead for your daughter's return you should show the sincerity in your eyes.

Crystal did a lot of sobbing but I didn't see one tear. There may have been tears but I didn't see them.

I don't think the press release speech was aimed at a sexual predator. And yes LE was giving all of them the evil eye.

[Deb7]

Deb

Just a reminder. The *stepbrother* title imposed on Chad is a subtle slam at Crystal. Chad is not related to Crystal by any means or form thru bloodlines. If Marie hadn't married who she did, Chad would be just a guy who Crystal has a relationship with.

moo

Thanks for the info, and I do know that already.
BTW I am not concerned about Crystal dating or marrying her stepbrother. It could be (and I haven't heard or read one way or the other) that she knew and was dating Chad first and then introduced her mom to his dad because she thought they would get along and then they went and got married, blah blah blah...
Or she could have met him after it doesn't really matter because like you said no bloodlines are involved.
JMO

[Motomom]

I think you made very good sense.

What struck me as being revealing about that interview was the striking change in her overall demeanor when the subject changed from engagement & marriage to Haleigh being missing & how she (Misty) passed her lie detector test. If you watch it w/o listening her words, you can easily see the shift in body language. The sappy grin, the giddiness that you see while she is giggling & smiling & talking about the engagement goes straight out the window. The corners of her mouth & the look in her eyes changes. Her shoulders 'rear back' in a right-left-right movement. Her body goes into more of a 'squared off' posture & her face looks sullen.

Then there is the whole dynamic of choosing words which are defensive. In the same way that both Misty & Ron chose words during the 911 call which first offer excuses & reasons on why they can't be 'blamed' (even though no one at that point has blamed or accused them of anything) - Misty again words her sentences with excuses. She makes the pre-emptive strike - she 'knows' people will think it is wrong, but it really isn't, because it is what Haleigh wanted.

Then there is the whole scene of Misty talking about how she & Haleigh did/have everything alike. If she had something, Haleigh had the same. If Haleigh had shoes like 'this', Misty got shoes like 'this'.

When it got to the point where Misty was saying she knew that if she got a ring, Haleigh would have one too - that tore it for me. It is SO WRONG, on EVERY level imaginable, for a parent to encourage or allow their child to think that their roles (the child) is the SAME as the parent's partner. That is creepy & inappropriate to the max.

I don't know whether it was Misty's intent to impart the impression that Haleigh viewed herself as being in competition with Misty, but she did & in a very bad way. Telling people that Haleigh would also be wearing a white dress & would get a ring at the marriage ceremony was a huge & horrible indication of the mindset that seems to be working in Misty & Ron. The part that we can't know is whether all of that was primarily present in Misty's thinking vs. how much of it was initiated & encouraged by Ron. Either way, NO father should allow, promote or encourage his little daughter to think that she is a miniature version of his wife or girlfriend. That is just wrong, wrong, WRONG!

JMO

This is a good post mimi. I could never have picked up on all of those things with the body language as you did. I do question one thing in regards to it, because you didn't necessarily interpret about her sullen appearance when talking about Haleigh. Do you think that indicates dishonesty? Because I would hope that her demeanor does change when the topic of Haleigh came up.

Putting it all together like you have brings some things in perspective a bit. Men dont' think as women do though IMO. He might not have noticed this "competition" between Misty and Haleigh.

[crymeariver2006]

Can you please provide the establishment of paternity, custody and support for RON? :ohmy:

Why would I need to provide establishment of paternity for Ron?

He's 25 years old. Is there a custody battle going on for him?

[Motomom]

Being serious here, but I honestly believe this other girl and her baby should be left out of these discussions. If she has a problem with Ron she will do something about it. Misty wasn't there when this baby was conceived. She was babysitting. Leave them alone until this girl does or says something, if it concerns Ron. She has nothing to do with Haleigh missing.
jmo

I agree 100% with you doneit!! She really should be left alone at this time. It's not just bashing Ron (because it is not proven), it's running this poor girls name and her childs name all over the internet and she has yet to interject herself into this case. JMO

[annalyzer]

Are you talking about yesterdays press conference? Those were tears! Real ones. The woman could barely compose herself.


Yes. I did not see any tears.

[crymeariver2006]

She was less than 2 hours away. People have driven that distance or more to kidnap/murder. I'm not saying she did but the fact that she lives in another town doesn't negate the possibility of involvment on her part.

No it doesn't. No more so than somebody who was in the home at the time or someone who worked about 10 minutes away.

JMO

[Deb7]

There would be no DNA needed. He is her step brother. STEP.. not HALF.. NO BLOOD relation. Supposedly her and he were together before her mother and his father. JMO

I wasn't speaking about proof for Chad being Crystal's stepbrother. I do know how that works. Steps have no blood, halfs do. Thanks.

I was referring to the DNA test for the baby between them. And there isn't a DNA test needed I was merely trying to make a point.
Anyway, JMO

[ICE]

No it doesn't. No more so than somebody who was in the home at the time or someone who worked about 10 minutes away.

JMO


One of the people being a mere 4 inches or 4 feet (depending who you ask) away.

[Motomom]

Yes. I did not see any tears.

There were no tears. I'm sure she's cried, we've seen it before.. but yesteday she had no tears. IMO

[ICE]

It's obvious after looking at the pictures that Misti misspoke. The beds are closer to 4 feet apart.


"The beds are closer to 4 feet apart". You know this how?? DO you have a link to the distance of beds??? :smile: Just messing with ya...

[CANDYKISSES]

I missed the COURT RECORD proving JR & Heleigh are his by DNA too, can you provide it?

Paternity was established by asking Ron Cummings if he had any questions about such to which he answered no in the court hearing that took place under the Magistrate. This took place in December 2005. There were two hearings regarding paternity and custody, and one set the minimum of child support for Crystal. It has been linked here many times, and you have the option of viewing it by perusing the links thread just like the rest of us. IF he answers that IT IS POSSIBLE he could have another child, I might opine that he still has some questions. I have seen nothing concerning a paternity/custody/support order in all the records we have been provided with concerning Ron and the alleged other child.

If you dispute it, provide something to debate. If you have seen an order for support of the alleged other child, please put it up in the links thread as that's what it's there for IMO. Otherwise, the links thread is at the top of the board for you to view the hearings between Ron and Crystal. JMO

[Peaches]

I didn't see any either.


I saw no tears...........

[ICE]

Just for the record, I didn't see any tears from Ron either. Well....nothing that fell from under the sunglasses. :)

[FoxySly]

Paternity was established by asking Ron Cummings if he had any questions about such to which he answered no in the court hearing that took place under the Magistrate. This took place in December 2005. There were two hearings regarding paternity and custody, and one set the minimum of child support for Crystal. It has been linked here many times, and you have the option of viewing it by perusing the links thread just like the rest of us. IF he answers that IT IS POSSIBLE he could have another child, I might opine that he still has some questions. I have seen nothing concerning a paternity/custody/support order in all the records we have been provided with concerning Ron and the alleged other child.

If you dispute it, provide something to debate. If you have seen an order for support of the alleged other child, please put it up in the links thread as that's what it's there for IMO. Otherwise, the links thread is at the top of the board for you to view the hearings between Ron and Crystal. JMO


It's case # 05-1321-FD

I have it saved on a PDF on my laptop.

Sly

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[CANDYKISSES]

Then why do certain posters constantly post that Crystal had a child with her stepbrother? Subtle as it may seem, the underlying insult is there. When Chloe is old enough, I hope she doesn't get wind of what her mom and dad have been accused of.

moo

I don't think it's similar to the reason you post "trailor" [sic] in every post you can, not to mention hygiene issues, but that's just my opinion and nothing more.

trailer
1. a road vehicle, usually two-wheeled, towed by a motor vehicle: used for transporting boats, etc.
2. the part of an articulated lorry that is drawn by the cab
3. a series of short extracts from a film, used to advertise it in a cinema or on television

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/trailor

JMO

[sammy]

There is a lot of mud-slinging and not-very-nice insinuations being made by a few people here about Crystal and her fiancee. Statements like - "Crystal had a child with her step brother" - and making that sound like it is salacious and inbreeding.

The media has reported that Crystal has explained many times that she (Crystal) met/dated/became engaged/had a child together BEFORE they became step-siblings.
They did NOT grow up together as step brother/sister in the same household.

AFTER Crystal and her fiancee met/began dating/got engaged/had baby ... then Crystal's mother married Crystal's fiancee's dad.
Only then did they become step-siblings.

So yes, in that way they are step siblings.
But the way it is being made to sound here by a few people, makes it sound dirty or as if their is in-breeding going on.
Crystal and her fiancee are step-siblings by MARRIAGE ONLY - and they only became step-sib's after they began their relationship.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that a PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL IS MISSING.

This little girl went missing on Ron and Misti's watch ... in their care.
Ron has shown a lot of poor judgement from the beginning ... and continues to do so. (announcing his engagement yesterday is just another example)
Misti's account of what happened that night the child went missing has changed way too many times.
It says a lot that a month later ... neither Ron or Misti have been cleared by LE. They are the ones who had physical custody of this child who is missing - and LE still will not clear them of wrongdoing.
THAT speaks volumes.

[RoxyWest]

Or when Haleigh comes home, she never reads about the bashing of her dad.
jmo

Well if she ever reads here, I'm sure she will wonder why there seems to be more focus on the fighting between posters and the bashing of her parents than on wondering what became of her.

I realize there is no news in this case, and that is frustrating to us all, but a snapshot of this board would seem to indicate that it is more about us than her.

JMO

[ICE]

Or when Haleigh comes home, she never reads about the bashing of her dad.
jmo


Not a real good comparison. Bashing happens to all at some point, but critisizing where one originated is alot worse.

[CANDYKISSES]

Custody proceedings do not prove paternity. Still waiting for the link though where it has been proven, but I will accept an acknowledgment of paternity if you can find it. As I am sure you know anyone can seek custody of a child, they do not have to even be related.

You need to read the links thread if you are really claiming to have no knowledge of this. That is the purpose of the thread. Respectfully, if you dispute it, come back after you catch up as we're not here to do your research for you. That was never the intention of this or any other forum here and is a reminder of why it's a good idea to come prepared to discuss and debate when posters have taken the time to put the links up.

jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

Since the spelling police are here I think I will move on :rolleyes:

Here's hoping there is some good news about Haleigh today!

[Januarybaby]

I had to run out yesterday and never got to get back to boards. Speculation yesterday was that they were getting married so they didnt have to testify against each other.

My mom said on NG that she said in cases of death of children, being married does not exclude them from testifying against each other. Is this correct?

If it is, someone either gave them bad advice or there has to be another reason they are getting married and I dont buy that its just because they are so much in love. RC went very fast into the courthouse whereas Misty was smiling and waving to everyone and then from courthouse to truck where Misty had to basically run to catch up to him after gloating to everyone and to me he didnt look happy about being at the courthouse for those papers.

[ICE]

Well if she ever reads here, I'm sure she will wonder why there seems to be more focus on the fighting between posters and the bashing of her parents than on wondering what became of her.

I realize there is no news in this case, and that is frustrating to us all, but a snapshot of this board would seem to indicate that it is more about us than her.

JMO

It's all LE's fault. :smile:

[RoxyWest]

It's all LE's fault. :smile:

LOL. OK, I can accept that.

Seriously, I hope LE has something

[DenVIP]

It's case # 05-1321-FD

I have it saved on a PDF on my laptop.

Sly

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I'm impressed by that Foxy.....I wish I was that organized, anyway what we know for sure is that Haleigh has not been seen in 30 days.....and LE doesn't know what crime has been commited.....does anyone know what there verbage was....did they saw what crime or if any ? Also the last person besides Misty to see Haleigh was the GGM? or Mistys relative?

[ICE]

LOL. OK, I can accept that.

Seriously, I hope LE has something

I hope so too, but looking at them during yesterday's presser, I think they are at ground zero.

[Rushbo]

I don't understand the critisizm of Crystal. She was not even in town when Haleigh vanished. It's understandable why Ron and Misty are scrutinized since they were there during, or shortly after.

Crystal should be cleared immediately.

[FoxySly]

He is her step brother and they have a child together. It is what it is.

Yup, it is a FACT that crystal has a 3rd Child with her step-brother.

Sad that stating a fact is called bashing to a few.

Still we have not seen proof that it is crystal's step-brother's Child from DNA but I do not know of anyone denying that they had a Child together... the parents aren't denying they have a Child together.

I am pretty sure this Child will know when she grows up that her parents were/are step-siblings & I doubt she finds out by what we are posting here.

Sly

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[Deb7]

You need to read the links thread if you are really claiming to have no knowledge of this. That is the purpose of the thread. Respectfully, if you dispute it, come back after you catch up as we're not here to do your research for you. That was never the intention of this or any other forum here and is a reminder of why it's a good idea to come prepared to discuss and debate when posters have taken the time to put the links up.

jmo


Hi Candykisses. :) Sorry not to sound rude or anything, but I think that if people would simply provide links when making claims that there were DNA tests done or whatever it is they are trying to support or backup then other people wouldn't have to do this research you speak of. You are not here to do research for me, that is a fact. However, if you say something is so then it is your obligation to provide the link IMO rather than make the other person run around blindly looking for something that you say is there whether it is or not.
I was posting about something I had read and knew in order to post it I would have to provide a link, so I went looking for it before I posted. And I know if I post something and someone requests or disputes my post and I haven't provided a link then I will be the responsible party to backup my own post. Otherwise I could just run around willy nilly stating anything I want, and say it's in the links go look it up yourself.

Anyway, JMO and I hope I wasn't offensive to you.

[ICE]

I do not think Haleigh is ever coming home and if it is OK for Ron & Misty to move on and get tattoos and plan a wedding then how dare you guilt trip us for moving on!


Does it really matter that you don't think Haleigh is coming home? I'm sure many of her family members will hold out hope until the very end.

[RoxyWest]

I do not think Haleigh is ever coming home and if it is OK for Ron & Misty to move on and get tattoos and plan a wedding then how dare you guilt trip us for moving on!

I apologize. I didn't think about guilt-tripping anyone, that wasn't my intention. Not sure what my intention was other than expressing my frustration that so much discussion seems to be this poster vs. that poster and Ron vs. Crystal.

I'm not a regular here, so I will be the one moving on.

Sorry to intrude.

[Mimi428]

This is a good post mimi. I could never have picked up on all of those things with the body language as you did. I do question one thing in regards to it, because you didn't necessarily interpret about her sullen appearance when talking about Haleigh. Do you think that indicates dishonesty? Because I would hope that her demeanor does change when the topic of Haleigh came up.

Putting it all together like you have brings some things in perspective a bit. Men dont' think as women do though IMO. He might not have noticed this "competition" between Misty and Haleigh.

The one thing I have observed over the many years of reading true crime stories & following them online is that when you have a person accused of murdering a loved one & they ARE innocent, they may deny their guilt - but they don't lose their anxiety over finding the real killer. They are desperate to find out who is responsible, not only to clear themself, but because they DO want justice for their murdered loved one.

Conversely, people who have been accused of murdering a loved one who ARE in fact guilty of the crime give lip service only to finding the real killer. Their main focus though is on challenging the media, the audience, the DA, the jury to PROVE it. IOW, their ONLY interest is in saving themself.

Well known examples of that are Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, Jeffrey MacDonald, Diane Downs. Look at their demeanor while they were under suspicion, under arrest, during their trials. They don't beg, plead, show anxiety or anguish over the thought that some horrible murdering fiend is on the loose. They don't demonstrate crushing grief or mourning. They DO demonstrate the smirking, scowling, defiant postures of "prove it, you SOBs".

The longer this case goes on, the more it seems to me that both Ron & Misty are moving into the "prove it, you SOBs" camp.

JMO

[Rushbo]

Are you talking about yesterdays press conference? Those were tears! Real ones. The woman could barely compose herself.

Bratlings, you are exactly right!

I feel so very sorry for Crystal.

[FoxySly]

The 1998 Florida Statutes

Title VII
EVIDENCE Chapter 90
Evidence Code View Entire Chapter

90.504 Husband-wife privilege.

(1) A spouse has a privilege during and after the marital relationship to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, communications which were intended to be made in confidence between the spouses while they were husband and wife.

(2) The privilege may be claimed by either spouse or by the guardian or conservator of a spouse. The authority of a spouse, or guardian or conservator of a spouse, to claim the privilege is presumed in the absence of contrary evidence.

(3) There is no privilege under this section:

(a) In a proceeding brought by or on behalf of one spouse against the other spouse.

(b) In a criminal proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime committed at any time against the person or property of the other spouse, or the person or property of a child of either.

(c) In a criminal proceeding in which the communication is offered in evidence by a defendant-spouse who is one of the spouses between whom the communication was made.

History.--s. 1, ch. 76-237; s. 1, ch. 77-77; ss. 10, 22, ch. 78-361; ss. 1, 2, ch. 78-379.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/...20504#0090.504

Again for those who missed this.

Sly

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[ICE]

Yes it matters, it determines & directs what I care about in this conversation.

I could care less how long anyone holds out hope. That is their problem.

What???? Holding out hope is a "problem"? I can't believe you.

[CANDYKISSES]

I read those court papers and it is not there. He was awarded custody by default and nothing more.

FALSE....

See, I am disputing your claim, so I will provide a link to dispute him being awarded custody by DEFAULT. Please take the time to read this document in its entirety Bratlings.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

JMO

[Rushbo]

He is her step brother and they have a child together. It is what it is.

So what? What difference does it make to you people.

Leave them alone.

[ICE]

Comprehension issues much? I didn't say I have a problem with it. I quite clearly said its irrelevant to me.


Don't read your own posts much? You said it's "Thier problem". Nice...COLD comment.

[ICE]

FALSE....

See, I am disputing your claim, so I will provide a link to dispute him being awarded custody by DEFAULT. Please take the time to read this document in its entirety Bratlings.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

JMO



Good Job!:thumbsup:

[ICE]

I would like to see LE start clearing people so that the net starts getting smaller, and someone will screw up. Even if they start with the Mom's and Dad's of all involved. Anything!

[RoxyWest]

Please don't leave. I see nothing wrong with what you posted.
jmo

Thanks for the kind words doneit. I'll continue to check back now and then.

[Mimi428]

I apologize. I didn't think about guilt-tripping anyone, that wasn't my intention. Not sure what my intention was other than expressing my frustration that so much discussion seems to be this poster vs. that poster and Ron vs. Crystal.

I'm not a regular here, so I will be the one moving on.

Sorry to intrude.

I hope that you will reconsider & post again. The only way to counter the poster vs. poster & Ron vs. Crystal posts is if MORE, not LESS people are willing to discuss other things.

JMO

[Pat]

Hi Candykisses. :) Sorry not to sound rude or anything, but I think that if people would simply provide links when making claims that there were DNA tests done or whatever it is they are trying to support or backup then other people wouldn't have to do this research you speak of. You are not here to do research for me, that is a fact. However, if you say something is so then it is your obligation to provide the link IMO rather than make the other person run around blindly looking for something that you say is there whether it is or not.
I was posting about something I had read and knew in order to post it I would have to provide a link, so I went looking for it before I posted. And I know if I post something and someone requests or disputes my post and I haven't provided a link then I will be the responsible party to backup my own post. Otherwise I could just run around willy nilly stating anything I want, and say it's in the links go look it up yourself.

Anyway, JMO and I hope I wasn't offensive to you.

The discussion over DNA being provided to establish paternity for the custody issue, because there was no marriage, has been discussed on numerous daily threads and links for the documents regarding this have been provided.

Has anyone seen the actual DNA report? No. But given the court accepted the report and awarded Ron custody of the two children means to most that a) there was DNA testing, and b) Ron is the father of the two children.

Crystal as never denied Ron is the father. Marie, who despises Ron, has never disputed the results of the paternity test.

I don't keep a file of links on my computer. I've read the links relating to this issue several times and don't feel it is necessary to keep posting it, and won't. Paternity has been established by the court and Crystal agrees.

[ICE]

Semantics! I clearly indicated I did not care! It is their problem... not mine!


Well, being here, you pretty much inserted yourself into thier problem. Nuff said.

[kitty1182]

I apologize. I didn't think about guilt-tripping anyone, that wasn't my intention. Not sure what my intention was other than expressing my frustration that so much discussion seems to be this poster vs. that poster and Ron vs. Crystal.

I'm not a regular here, so I will be the one moving on.

Sorry to intrude.

Please don't leave..Stay!

[FoxySly]

Case # 05-1321-FD
THIS MATTER came before the General Magistrate on December 1, 2005 upon the petitioner's Petition To Determine Paternity and for Related Relief. The petitioner appeared in proper person. Respondent did not appear at the hearing.
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:0b4VZGK6OM8J:www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf+%2205-1321-FD%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&lr=lang_en

More info at link.

Sly

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[CANDYKISSES]

Hi Candykisses. :) Sorry not to sound rude or anything, but I think that if people would simply provide links when making claims that there were DNA tests done or whatever it is they are trying to support or backup then other people wouldn't have to do this research you speak of. You are not here to do research for me, that is a fact. However, if you say something is so then it is your obligation to provide the link IMO rather than make the other person run around blindly looking for something that you say is there whether it is or not.
I was posting about something I had read and knew in order to post it I would have to provide a link, so I went looking for it before I posted. And I know if I post something and someone requests or disputes my post and I haven't provided a link then I will be the responsible party to backup my own post. Otherwise I could just run around willy nilly stating anything I want, and say it's in the links go look it up yourself.

Anyway, JMO and I hope I wasn't offensive to you.

No, you can't offend me, but if I post something and it's JMO and/or you have a dispute with what I posted, the links thread is at your disposal for just that reason IMO.

There are many people who come to these forums with questions or opinions based on very little and the links thread serves as a reference point IMO.

What do you perceive to be the reason the moderator is providing a "LINKS THREAD" at the top of a forum with a sticky? Also, IS provides a search engine that is user friendly for research IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Paternity was established when neither Ron or Crystal disputed paternity.

Not to mention that Ron filed the petition.

I contend that Bratlings is misinformed as she claims Ron was awarded custody by default and it's in the link above, but if she refuses to read it, then nobody can do anything to educate her about what went on at that hearing.

JMO

[Rushbo]

IMO, LE will not be able to solve this crime, whatever it may be, in the near future because of Misty's inability to tell the complete truth.

[bama__angel]

I agree with you on that ICE.

I also agree with your "cold" comment. That was about as "icy" as can be.


Concerning the "cold" comment......I find that to be ironic considering this poster's sig line................

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal should be cleared immediately.

How so? :confused:

[ICE]

My short term memory loss is not as sharp as it used to be. Also, My short term memory is not as sharp as it used to be.

:wink:

[IlliniFan]

I forget who inquired last night about Theresa's court record.
Here it is. Type in Neves%, and it should come up.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php




moo

Thanks for looking that up...so she was calling a relative that filed a complaint...? Was she found guilty...I,m not sure how to read that??

[bama__angel]

How so? :confused:



ITA...Why should Crystal be cleared? As convoluted as this case seems to be, she could have had someone who was supposed to take Haleigh and Jr. But maybe for some reason only Haleigh was taken............This makes as much sense to me as any other theory

[ICE]

IMO, LE will not be able to solve this crime, whatever it may be, in the near future because of Misty's inability to tell the complete truth.

I hope you are wrong, but you could very well be right.

[CANDYKISSES]

Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with the courts awarding him custody based upon his own testimony which was undisputed by Crystal because she had not been served notice. That is a default awarding by law. There was no other petitioner or respondent that he could have awarded custody to but Ron.

This PROVES WITHOUT A DOUBT you failed to read the TRANSCRIPT OF THE HEARING I TOOK the TIME to provide for you.

Crystal is most definitely on the record there. AAMOF, she ADMITTEDLY missed Junior's appointment with the cardiologist that day and Ron had offered she could bring Junior to him the night before and he would take him to the cardiologist.

Until you read the transcript you will remain clueless about what went on inside that courtroom with the MAGISTRATE, RON AND CRYSTAL IMO.

:thumbdown: P.S. Maybe you should let the Magistrate know that wasn't really Crystal he swore in as well. Please...:blushing:for you.

[bama__angel]

Really? Maybe you dont understand what it means then! It means if you need God he is here/there/wherever for you. Are you suggesting that it means I am not a sinner and without fault? Maybe then if you do not understand it you should not be making reference to what it means.


IMO...I understand you perfectly.....

[IlliniFan]

My short term memory loss is not as sharp as it used to be. Also, My short term memory is not as sharp as it used to be.

:wink:

<grin>....

[CANDYKISSES]

When asked if she disputed Ronald's paternity Crystal answered no. Paternity was then established. The courts don't have to have dna testing done to establish paternity in every case......lonly when it's being disputed by one side or the other.

Bookie, Bratlings has not even bothered to read the transcript where Crystal was sworn in and answered questions. You can't force someone to READ, but you can catch them when they are misinformed because they didn't read what they asked for. :sneaky: JMO

[crymeariver2006]

You can also find Dorothy Annette's Sykes lengthy records by using the same method.

Mrs. Sykes is the great grandmother to Haleigh.

Sykes%



moo

Oh no.......

Adding:

Teresa Neves' and GGM Sykes arrest records - Not relative because they happened a couple of years prior to Haleigh's disappearance.
Marie Griffis' arrest records - relative because it happened in 1997.

[ICE]

Soooooo....do we know if Ron had a...ummmmmm...."dispute" over a gun, or maybe drugs before Haleigh disapeared? That would sure be a big deal if true, even though Ron denies it while others say it happened.

[crymeariver2006]

Soooooo....do we know if Ron had a...ummmmmm...."dispute" over a gun, or maybe drugs before Haleigh disapeared? That would sure be a big deal if true, even though Ron denies it while others say it happened.


No, since Misty is not telling the truth to a reporter about the other baby Ron has, there's no way she could be telling the truth to a reporter about a gun, a cousin, and a fight.

Of course, TN and CC said it too.....

But, you are correct. Ron is the only one denying it.

[Rushbo]

I forget who inquired last night about Theresa's court record.
Here it is. Type in Neves%, and it should come up.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php




moo

Is Jack Lester Cummings the father of Ronald Cummings?

[IlliniFan]

You can also find Dorothy Annette's Sykes lengthy records by using the same method.

Mrs. Sykes is the great grandmother to Haleigh.

Sykes%



moo

I couldn't find that Theresa was found guilty????

imo...

[ICE]

No, since Misty is not telling the truth to a reporter about the other baby Ron has, there's no way she could be telling the truth to a reporter about a gun, a cousin, and a fight.

Of course, TN and CC said it too.....

But, you are correct. Ron is the only one denying it.

Wouldn't it be neat if LE admitted or denied ANYTHING? They must think she's alive or I would think they would let it all out there.

[bama__angel]

Soooooo....do we know if Ron had a...ummmmmm...."dispute" over a gun, or maybe drugs before Haleigh disapeared? That would sure be a big deal if true, even though Ron denies it while others say it happened.


I am sure that LE knows for a certainty if there was a " dispute" over a gun of Ron's........I havent read anything in here or in print that proves that this really happened...........

LE is holding lots of information close....IMO

[Rushbo]

I forget who inquired last night about Theresa's court record.
Here it is. Type in Neves%, and it should come up.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php




moo

Do you have a link available for any other counties, like Alucha?

[IlliniFan]

****grinning****

Add to your fantastic list you supplied this am.

moo


I can't see that theresa was found guilty??

but..good try

[crymeariver2006]

Read the document. She didn't mention anything to the judge about Ron being responsible for her not being served. All she said was it was the wrong address. Oh and she admitted to the judge that Ron had permission to take the kids and her excuses for not getting them back were IMO pretty pathetic. Ron admitted he refused to return them because of cocaine abuse on Crystals part.

Yes, and at first he wanted supervised visits because of "suspected" cocaine use, but later agreed to unsupervised.

Does that mean that he could not prove the cocaine use? By the use of the word "suspected"?

Oh, and while Ron had the children prior to the custody award....I believe he had them in Mexico and Texas.....was Haleigh being provided medical treatments in either of those places? If you know, that is. I've seen nothing that proved he continued the medical care that he complained about Crystal not providing.

[Rushbo]

when did Teresa and Ron's father divorce?

when did Teresa and John Neves marry?

when did Teresa and John Neves divorce?

[Deb7]

The discussion over DNA being provided to establish paternity for the custody issue, because there was no marriage, has been discussed on numerous daily threads and links for the documents regarding this have been provided.

Has anyone seen the actual DNA report? No. But given the court accepted the report and awarded Ron custody of the two children means to most that a) there was DNA testing, and b) Ron is the father of the two children.

Crystal as never denied Ron is the father. Marie, who despises Ron, has never disputed the results of the paternity test.

I don't keep a file of links on my computer. I've read the links relating to this issue several times and don't feel it is necessary to keep posting it, and won't. Paternity has been established by the court and Crystal agrees.


Ok, I keep seeing people say that but I have read the links and I haven't ever seen that, and if you wanted to prove it to me you would do what? Provide me with a link of course. :P
I have sifted through and I still do not see anything about the DNA so if you know where it is could you please out of the kindness of your heart direct me to it? TIA

BTW I am not disputing Ron being the father, just the simple fact that if you are going to claim there were DNA tests then I think it is YOUR responsibility to show me where you read that, why should I have to dig it up? If you want me to believe you, I will most likely, but a link will set it in stone. :) (Providing the link you give is accurate and relevant.)

JMO

[ICE]

It still comes back to Misty, The propped open door, the kitchen light, and was she home or not. I can't broaden my thinking past that.

[crymeariver2006]

Is Jack Lester Cummings the father of Ronald Cummings?

Yes, I believe so.

But I don't have a link for established paternity via an actual DNA test.

:tonguewag:

[2boysMom]

I wonder what was going on at the Cummings home about 2:30 a.m. the day Haleigh disappeared when the neighbor heard the yelling and screaming.

Does anyone know if Misty had any type of relationship/acquaintance with RSO Donald Lee Sapp?


Did the neighbors really hear yelling and screaming? I must have missed that. Anyone have a link to this?

[Rushbo]

It still comes back to Misty, The propped open door, the kitchen light, and was she home or not. I can't broaden my thinking past that.

you are right. it all comes back to Misty. IMO, she is not telling the truth about anything. we might as well disregard the kitchen light story as well as the propped and open door stories as all that was probably staged, IMO.

It is my opinion that LE doesn't have a clue and it is all because of her. she may be like CA and be incapable of telling the truth.

Poor little Haleigh. And poor little Jr if he is going to have to be exposed to her more.

[ICE]

you are right. it all comes back to Misty. IMO, she is not telling the truth about anything. we might as well disregard the kitchen light story as well as the propped and open door stories as all that was probably staged, IMO.

It is my opinion that LE doesn't have a clue and it is all because of her. she may be like CA and be incapable of telling the truth.

Poor little Haleigh. And poor little Jr if he is going to have to be exposed to her more.


I agree, but I would hope LE could break a 17 year old girl by now?

[IlliniFan]

I agree, but I would hope LE could break a 17 year old girl by now?


You would think so, no? Especially w/o any representation by an attorney, at least not that we know of?

[bama__angel]

you are right. it all comes back to Misty. IMO, she is not telling the truth about anything. we might as well disregard the kitchen light story as well as the propped and open door stories as all that was probably staged, IMO.

It is my opinion that LE doesn't have a clue and it is all because of her. she may be like CA and be incapable of telling the truth.

Poor little Haleigh. And poor little Jr if he is going to have to be exposed to her more.

Other posters have thought that if Misty were involved in this, that because of her young age of 17 that LE could have broken her down by now...........They never broke CA.......maybe Misty is CA just at 17.....

[Rushbo]

I agree, but I would hope LE could break a 17 year old girl by now?

The same sentiments were expressed about Casey Anthony, but she too has never told the truth IMO.

[ICE]

It does appear that Ron stomps around way ahead of Misty as she follows all happy and giggly. Then again....thats better then the "synchronized smoking" video they showed over and over of Ron and Mist smoking and removing cigs at the same time.

[IlliniFan]

Thanks for the link.

From the Putnam records, it appears that Jack Cummings has had a run of bad luck also. Hopefully, it is all behind him now.

Sheffield's too..... Most famility members on both sides are not strangers to the court system.....

[CANDYKISSES]

"We're before the Court on a Petition for Paternity and Related Relief."


Those are the judge's words. It was NOT an appeal. Crystal testified in the hearing and made none of the accusations you have claimed today. Apparently she felt comfortable saying them on paper but NOT when she was sworn under oath in court.

Therein lies the problem with Crystal. It seems she makes a lot of allegations, but then when all is said and done....not so much period IMO.

Also somewhere in the PDF, she admits she only told that to Ron, confirming his need to back his car/truck up IIRC.

She puts all this garbage out there and when they get to the bottom, it's always third party hearsay IMO. :sneaky:

[Rushbo]

I agree, but I would hope LE could break a 17 year old girl by now?

Interesting that instead of "breaking" her story, Misty is rewarded with a diamond ring.

[IlliniFan]

The same sentiments were expressed about Casey Anthony, but she too has never told the truth IMO.

Lawyers do make a difference....no?

[Rushbo]

Sheffield's too..... Most famility members on both sides are not strangers to the court system.....

I'm not really interested in the Sheffields. I am interested in the people who were in charge of Haleigh at the time of her disappearance. And that is the Cummings family.

[ICE]

Interesting that instead of "breaking" her story, Misty is rewarded with a diamond ring.


Yeah...great timing, eh? I'm shocked that Ron doesn't blame Misty just for being the last one with Haleigh.

[ICE]

You can't break someone down if they have convinced themselves that they didn't do anything

*cough* OJ *cough*

seriously though, LE should break her down with facts and walk her into a trap....you would think.

[IlliniFan]

I'm not really interested in the Sheffields. I am interested in the people who were in charge of Haleigh at the time of her disappearance. And that is the Cummings family.


No Problem...I'm interested at looking at both sides....

[CANDYKISSES]

The original order was Dec. 1, 2005 That was the appeal order is dated Jan. 6, 2006

"I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this 6th day of January, 2006, a copy of the
foregoing MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF
MAGISTRATE"

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:0b4VZGK6OM8J:www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf+%2205-1321-FD%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&lr=lang_en


I am sorry you do not understand your own links and it is not my problem or responsibility to explain them over & over but for the LAST time rehearings are appeals.

Then nothing. I guess that attorney MAY HAVE GOTTEN A GLIMMER inside the case and NOTHING....panned out. Just like all her stories and the fact her father doesn't even know how to spell his grandbchild's name FGS.

I see you want to avoid reading the hearing Crystal testified in dated December 27th. :sneaky: JMO

[Rushbo]

Yeah...great timing, eh? I'm shocked that Ron doesn't blame Misty just for being the last one with Haleigh.

Actually, I think it is very strange that he doesn't. IMO, that makes it appear that Ron had something to do with it although he supposedly has an alibi.

[ICE]

Maybe she wasn't, and perhaps Ron was.


moo

HAHAHA...STOP! My mind has always wanted to think that, but I have nothing to go on.

[Motomom]

I agree, but I would hope LE could break a 17 year old girl by now?

I would hope they could. Heck, look at some of the interrogations of children 8 and 10 yrs old.. hours of questions. Here we have Misti and either she's telling the truth or outwitting LE. imo

[Rushbo]

No Problem...I'm interested at looking at both sides....

IMO, a RSO or SO is responsible.

But I am also suspicious of Misty because her stories do not add up including the things she said on the 911 call. Also, Ron is still under my personal umbrella of suspicion.

[IlliniFan]

I would hope they could. Heck, look at some of the interrogations of children 8 and 10 yrs old.. hours of questions. Here we have Misti and either she's telling the truth or outwitting LE. imo


The very same people that imply that Misty is as dumb as a box of rocks, also seem to think she's as sly a fox....lol

[Motomom]

Other posters have thought that if Misty were involved in this, that because of her young age of 17 that LE could have broken her down by now...........They never broke CA.......maybe Misty is CA just at 17.....

Oh please no.. tell me God broke the mold after CA LOL

I don't know what to think of Misti. I can think of many scenarios..with or without her involvement. I hope she stays out from in front of the media if she is innocent though, because it does nothing for her image :)

[IlliniFan]

When anyone is that stupid they have to have some survival skills

But sly enough to fool the FBI?

[ICE]

So I'm assumming the only prints and DNA that MAY have been recovered belonged to people that had reason to be in that house. No foreign prints or DNA.

[Rushbo]

Wait, didn't he refer to her as his "dumb b***h girlfriend" on the 911 call? You don't interpret that as him blaming her for SOMETHING?

I suspect that is his normal way of talking to females.

That is one reason I am so curious about his mother and father and their relationship and their other relationships, etc. There is some reason that Ron has that type of attitude toward women. What did his parents expose him to when he was in his formative years.

I hope that he, too, can be helped.

[Motomom]

Sheffield's too..... Most famility members on both sides are not strangers to the court system.....

Yep.. I dont' think any of them are any better or worse then the other to be honest. Except for Ron's mother. I feel she is very genuine in her grief over Haleigh. IMO

[Rushbo]

But sly enough to fool the FBI?

Nobody has broken Casey Anthony. Misty doesn't appear to be any different in some ways.

[Motomom]

*cough* OJ *cough*

seriously though, LE should break her down with facts and walk her into a trap....you would think.

Maybe this engagement is a trap?? Is it possible?

Le said in the pc yesterday IIRC, that the families have cooperated.

[IlliniFan]

Yep.. I dont' think any of them are any better or worse then the other to be honest. Except for Ron's mother. I feel she is very genuine in her grief over Haleigh. IMO

Yes, her pain is so obvious..

[Rushbo]

Yep.. I dont' think any of them are any better or worse then the other to be honest. Except for Ron's mother. I feel she is very genuine in her grief over Haleigh. IMO

My opinion of Ron's mom is that she will do anything to cover up for him. I don't know her, of course.

Like I said before, Ron's parents must have been horrible examples for him to be in the shape he is in.

[ICE]

I don't think there's much of a connection between Misty and Casey.

Misty doesn't know the diff between 4' and 4'', and Casey makes up people that watched her child.

[IlliniFan]

Nobody has broken Casey Anthony. Misty doesn't appear to be any different in some ways.

I thought Casey Anthony has an attorney?? How much talking is she doing to LE?

[Rushbo]

I don't think there's much of a connection between Misty and Casey.

Misty doesn't know the diff between 4' and 4'', and Casey makes up people that watched her child.

Do you think they could both be psychopathic?

[Motomom]

IMO, a RSO or SO is responsible.

But I am also suspicious of Misty because her stories do not add up including the things she said on the 911 call. Also, Ron is still under my personal umbrella of suspicion.

I think the same thing about it being a SO or some other creep like that. am suspicious of Misti to, and yet Ron has never been suspect to me. I could careless about ALL of their pasts, unless it is something very recent, like last year. However, when discussing one side, it is only fair to discuss both sides. None of these people have been cleared by LE. I don't understand why yet.. I'm sure we will know soon enough.. at least I hope so.

[Rushbo]

I thought Casey Anthony has an attorney?? How much talking is she doing to LE?

From all the tapes I have seen on Nancy Grace, she was doing a lot of talking to LE before she lawyered up.

[ICE]

Maybe this engagement is a trap?? Is it possible?

Le said in the pc yesterday IIRC, that the families have cooperated.

Yes- The marriage is to send a messege to someone and cause a slip-up.

No- Ron doesn't seem to be playing along very well by acting like Misty doesn't seem to exsist.

[Rushbo]

I think the same thing about it being a SO or some other creep like that. am suspicious of Misti to, and yet Ron has never been suspect to me. I could careless about ALL of their pasts, unless it is something very recent, like last year. However, when discussing one side, it is only fair to discuss both sides. None of these people have been cleared by LE. I don't understand why yet.. I'm sure we will know soon enough.. at least I hope so.

I don't see how LE can clear anyone because Misty's stories do not add up. That is all they have to go on.

[IlliniFan]

From all the tapes I have seen on Nancy Grace, she was doing a lot of talking to LE before she lawyered up.

she does have a lawyer, and I agree with Ice...not a good comparison...imo

[bama__angel]

I thought Casey Anthony has an attorney?? How much talking is she doing to LE?



And you hit the nail on the head...............None of these people have "lawyered up".......Both families keep on talking with LE, keep going back in for more questions.........IMO only people with something to hide or fear "lawyer up".......

[Mimi428]

Wait, didn't he refer to her as his "dumb b***h girlfriend" on the 911 call? You don't interpret that as him blaming her for SOMETHING?

Not necessarily. If he typically referred to her as something like his "beautiful, wonderful GF" & ONLY referred to her as his "dumb b#tch GF" the one time, that would indicate the stress of the moment. Unfortunately, I think the possibility is very high that he may refer to her or speak to her like that on a regular basis. And if that is true, then I would not interpret that reference as a way of blaming her for something.

JMO

[Rushbo]

Yes- The marriage is to send a messege to someone and cause a slip-up.

No- Ron doesn't seem to be playing along very well by acting like Misty doesn't seem to exsist.

IMO, the engagement is not a trap. I guess one party could be blackmailing the other.

[KKKKKKatie]

The Effa Bee Eye got Ron to propose to Misty as a trap? Could explain his less than doting/loving fiance attitude yesterday for the cameras.....I'll go along with it but I don't like it kinda thing?

Lets pretend....

Who would they want to trap? Amber? The one Misty allegedly told she got her man and would get her kid???

[Motomom]

My opinion of Ron's mom is that she will do anything to cover up for him. I don't know her, of course.

Like I said before, Ron's parents must have been horrible examples for him to be in the shape he is in.

He was working and raising his two children. I don't see how that indicates he was in any sort of shape, other than normal.

She may cover for him, I haven't heard her attempting to cover for him yet though. There may be nothing to cover him from either. As mothers, we do protect our babies.. most of us anyways, but we don't all protect them if suspected of harming their own child i don't think.

IDK, all I know is I have yet to get any sort of bad vibes from her. IMo

[ICE]

Do you think they could both be psychopathic?


Casey, absolutely. Misty....nawww. If LE would put ANY doubt in Ron's alibi, my gut has always told me that Ron did this and Misty helped in the cover up. Thats why guilt is eating him alive (literally), and Misty has recovered faster.

[crymeariver2006]

Have you seen anything that proved he didn't continue to provide medical care? The last I heard both Texas and Mexico both had joined the millenium and had doctors and clinics.


No chit! I was just asking if there was anything out there where Ron continued the medical treatment.

So I guess your answer is that as long as someone can't provide proof that he didn't, that means he did?

There's a lot of that on this board, IMO.

[RoxyWest]

It still comes back to Misty, The propped open door, the kitchen light, and was she home or not. I can't broaden my thinking past that.

Just some random thoughts:

1. I believe it has been asked here before, but I never saw a response: How do we know entry was made through the back door? Could the front door have been unlocked? Or possibly the front door didn't have a deadlock and it was picked?

2. When Greta was touring the home, I think she was wondering why Misty would have gone down the hall to use the main bathroom when there was a bathroom right there off the master bedroom. My explanation for that would be that she didn't want to disturb the children by using the bathroom so near to where they were sleeping.

3. Was Misty wearing a cast on her right hand in the early days or was I just seeing things?

4. IIRC it was reported early on that Misty had taken off for three days just prior to Haleigh's disappearance and Ron had to retrieve her. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe she took off because he wasn't wanting to marry her?

Seems like there are a lot of little puzzle pieces to work with but we don't know which ones belong to THIS puzzle much less how they fit together with so many other pieces missing.

JMO

[ICE]

Interesting that we no longer talk about a stranger or sex offender.

[Motomom]

Yes- The marriage is to send a messege to someone and cause a slip-up.

No- Ron doesn't seem to be playing along very well by acting like Misty doesn't seem to exsist.

Would LE go that far though you think? Do you think that if LE had some clue that Misti was involved, do you think they would tell Ron this? I know they wire people all the time.. I wonder if anything like that is going on here at all?

[Motomom]

I don't see how LE can clear anyone because Misty's stories do not add up. That is all they have to go on.

Yeah but I'm sure they've taken evidence from that home. They kept it long enough IMO. There has to be SOME kind of evidence there don't you think? Or is this the perfect crime?

[ICE]

Just some random thoughts:

1. I believe it has been asked here before, but I never saw a response: How do we know entry was made through the back door? Could the front door have been unlocked? Or possibly the front door didn't have a deadlock and it was picked?

2. When Greta was touring the home, I think she was wondering why Misty would have gone down the hall to use the main bathroom when there was a bathroom right there off the master bedroom. My explanation for that would be that she didn't want to disturb the children by using the bathroom so near to where they were sleeping.

3. Was Misty wearing a cast on her right hand in the early days or was I just seeing things?

4. IIRC it was reported early on that Misty had taken off for three days just prior to Haleigh's disappearance and Ron had to retrieve her. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe she took off because he wasn't wanting to marry her?

Seems like there are a lot of little puzzle pieces to work with but we don't know which ones belong to THIS puzzle much less how they fit together with so many other pieces missing.

JMO


Excellent! I forgot all about the rumor of Misty leaving for several days. Also...I never noticed a deadbolt that Ron said he had always locked during the walk-thru. I also recall Ron and Misty both saying they thought there was forced entry early on. LE denied that. hmmmm..

[Rushbo]

Yes- The marriage is to send a messege to someone and cause a slip-up.

No- Ron doesn't seem to be playing along very well by acting like Misty doesn't seem to exsist.

I thought getting down on his knee in the middle of Chilis was playing the part very well.

[Motomom]

The Effa Bee Eye got Ron to propose to Misty as a trap? Could explain his less than doting/loving fiance attitude yesterday for the cameras.....I'll go along with it but I don't like it kinda thing?

His demeanor yesterday is telling us something. Not sure what though. I'm not sure he would go that far..but it's his daughter and I'm sure that I would do whatever I had to do. Ron said on his 911 call that if I find the person before you do I'll kill em... I believed that. So I don't think he would up and marry her on a whim if there was any indication she was involved. Unless he is involved, but I dont' believe he is at this point in time.

[crymeariver2006]

And you hit the nail on the head...............None of these people have "lawyered up".......Both families keep on talking with LE, keep going back in for more questions.........IMO only people with something to hide or fear "lawyer up".......

Except in this case, none of the families (it appears) have the means to hire attorneys "just because". In most of the court records that are listed, if they were charged they pleaded indigent and were provided an attorney.

They may very well NEED legal assistance or REQUIRE it, but that money's not going to spent needlessly unless they're charged, IMO.

[bama__angel]

IMO, Your getting warm. :smile:



OK.......but when did Ron hurt Haleigh...............You have to follow the time line that we know.............He picks her up from school bus stop at 3 in the afternoon.......He's at work by 4...........Grandmother come aand visits Haleigh and JR and brings clothes in the evening around 7.
Ron leaves work at 3am....take 10 or 15 minutes to arrive home...911 is called around 330.....How did he have time to hurt her and then hide her? I just dont see it......

[Rushbo]

Yeah but I'm sure they've taken evidence from that home. They kept it long enough IMO. There has to be SOME kind of evidence there don't you think? Or is this the perfect crime?

If it were an intruder who wore gloves and only had to lift haleigh from her bed, then no, I don't necessarily think there was evidence.

Of course, I thought the search of the dumpster we all saw on tv was contaminated by the searchers.

[Rushbo]

OK.......but when did Ron hurt Haleigh...............You have to follow the time line that we know.............He picks her up from school bus stop at 3 in the afternoon.......He's at work by 4...........Grandmother come aand visits Haleigh and JR and brings clothes in the evening around 7.
Ron leaves work at 3am....take 10 or 15 minutes to arrive home...911 is called around 330.....How did he have time to hurt her and then hide her? I just dont see it......

Exception: Grandmother SAID she came to visit. We don't KNOW that really happened.

[playnice]

And you hit the nail on the head...............None of these people have "lawyered up".......Both families keep on talking with LE, keep going back in for more questions.........IMO only people with something to hide or fear "lawyer up".......

Haleigh's Mother Obtains a Spokesperson and Seeks an Attorney

Kruger said she will help the family find a home in Putnam County. All of them live in Baker County. Kruger will also speak on their behalf and help them find an attorney.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133403&catid=3



Coming Soon.

[bama__angel]

Except in this case, none of the families (it appears) have the means to hire attorneys "just because". In most of the court records that are listed, if they were charged they pleaded indigent and were provided an attorney.

They may very well NEED legal assistance or REQUIRE it, but that money's not going to spent needlessly unless they're charged, IMO.


There attorneys everywhere in Florida who would jump on this case because it is "high profile".....I dont think lack of money has anything to do with it....

[Motomom]

Interesting that we no longer talk about a stranger or sex offender.

I have been talking about a stranger or sex offender. Some people can't get past misti and Ron though IMO. I think a SO took her.

[KKKKKKatie]

Exception: Grandmother SAID she came to visit. We don't KNOW that really happened.


And didn't Misty fail to say she was there in her first story????

[bama__angel]

Exception: Grandmother SAID she came to visit. We don't KNOW that really happened.



You think she lied? Why? Makes no sense...........

[crymeariver2006]

I haven't seen anything to say he didn't continue her doctor visits and I'm not going to assume that because he was working out of state that he never took her to the dr. You may choose to assume he didn't but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I see real proof he never took her.


No where did I say that I assumed he didn't take the child to a doctor.

I was just asking a question and you provided your "prove a negative" answer.

If you didn't know the answer, I can accept that BTW. I wouldn't make any assumptions of your knowledge of certain things just because you didn't know the answer.

[Rushbo]

Do we have any Satsuma area residents on here who could provide us with information?

[Rushbo]

No where did I say that I assumed he didn't take the child to a doctor.

I was just asking a question and you provided your "prove a negative" answer.

If you didn't know the answer, I can accept that BTW. I wouldn't make any assumptions of your knowledge of certain things just because you didn't know the answer.

What was he doing in Mexico and Texas with the children?

[KKKKKKatie]

What was he doing in Mexico and Texas with the children?


IIRC Texas for work...Mexico on vacation

[Rushbo]

You think she lied? Why? Makes no sense...........

It would be another change to the timeline and break Ron's alibi.

[crymeariver2006]

And didn't Misty fail to say she was there in her first story????

Yes, she continually rattled off the brother and the A/C guy as being the only "visitors" to the house that day.

TN was the one who brought up the "family member" several days into the case (on NG), Annette Sykes later said it was she who went by the house.

[bama__angel]

Exception: Grandmother SAID she came to visit. We don't KNOW that really happened.


OK .......So Grandmother lies..........Ron still picks up Haleigh at school bus stop around 300.....And he's at work by 4 .......He hurts her and then hides her and goes and works a normal night shift......Still makes no sense......Where does he hide her in daylight in a neighborhood?

[Rushbo]

IIRC Texas for work...Mexico on vacation

Did he have someone with him to babysit? Maybe Amber?

[5boxersmom]

No, I wouldn't think Amber......one of them, except I haven't figured it out in my head how it might happen.......I'm still working on it!

I would like to know if there was an on going feud between Amber and Misty. An engagement sure would be a way to set someone obsessed with Ron off. hmmm

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, she continually rattled off the brother and the A/C guy as being the only "visitors" to the house that day.

TN was the one who brought up the "family member" several days into the case (on NG), Annette Sykes later said it was she who went by the house.

Thanks cry! Hmmmm....

[ICE]

I thought getting down on his knee in the middle of Chilis was playing the part very well.

I just assumed he dropped a curly fry and was picking it up.

[IlliniFan]

As of last night CA has several attys and legal advisers, they are looking into how her vast legal team is being paid for


Oh ok, honestly I haven't watched the coverage that closely..However, when I turn on HLN to get coverage of this case...you can't help but absorb some of the details from the CA case...That little girl was such a doll...ty for the information

[KKKKKKatie]

OK .......So Grandmother lies..........Ron still picks up Haleigh at school bus stop around 300.....And he's at work by 4 .......He hurts her and then hides her and goes and works a normal night shift......Still makes no sense......Where does he hide her in daylight in a neighborhood?

Maybe he didn't hide her???

[Rushbo]

OK .......So Grandmother lies..........Ron still picks up Haleigh at school bus stop around 300.....And he's at work by 4 .......He hurts her and then hides her and goes and works a normal night shift......Still makes no sense......Where does he hide her in daylight in a neighborhood?

I would assume Misty was there at the time.

[KKKKKKatie]

Did he have someone with him to babysit? Maybe Amber?

I have never read anything about that Rush

[crymeariver2006]

There attorneys everywhere in Florida who would jump on this case because it is "high profile".....I dont think lack of money has anything to do with it....

Maybe so, but I don't think this case has anything in it for them. IOW, you have a bunch of "unknown" vs very little "known". It's difficult to choose who they should provide their "free" services to, KWIM?

I could be wrong. But it's been 30 days and no attorneys have appeared to "jump" yet.

[IlliniFan]

The comment I heard from LE recently, is that Ron was *spotted* at work. What the heck does *spotted* mean?

If GGM is telling the truth, there was plenty of time after Ron was *spotted* to come home and so it begins. Course there is another scenario that I've worked on too. And that is Misty wasn't there at all that evening, and arrived home after Ron.

moo

I'm pretty sure at the last presser (not yesterday) someone from the press asked if Ron was at work that evening....The said yes. I sure don't recall "spotted."??

[Rushbo]

I haven't either. But if the guy was in TX for work, he had to have childcare for the children if they were with him.

[ICE]

OK .......So Grandmother lies..........Ron still picks up Haleigh at school bus stop around 300.....And he's at work by 4 .......He hurts her and then hides her and goes and works a normal night shift......Still makes no sense......Where does he hide her in daylight in a neighborhood?


Or...hurts her and leaves Misty to do the cleanup. Or...hurts her and takes her to dump on his way to work, or at work. Just possibilities...

[KKKKKKatie]

I haven't either. But if the guy was in TX for work, he had to have childcare for the children if they were with him.


Good point! This was before Misty...right? So it could have been Amber?

[Peaches]

Yes, in the court transcript he made an appointment then told Crystal to take her.... haha so funny. The same person he claimed wasn't responsible enough to have custody because she didnt take Haleigh to the doctor!!!! :lol::lol::lol:


No............that appointment was for Ron Jr.................Crystal had the children and he told her that if she did not want to take Jr to the doctor to let him have the night before and he would take him.

I just read all this on the link thread................I do believe that it was one of the links that you posted there.

[crymeariver2006]

I just assumed he dropped a curly fry and was picking it up.

You owe me a new monitor!

:laugh:

[ICE]

Ok....it's 3am...you just got off work and you are driving home. You see on your phone that your significant other is calling you. Do you answer??

Of course! At 3am you would assume something IMPORTANT is up to warrant such a late call, right?

Ron didn't.

why?

[Rushbo]

Ok....it's 3am...you just got off work and you are driving home. You see on your phone that your significant other is calling you. Do you answer??

Of course! At 3am you would assume something IMPORTANT is up to warrant such a late call, right?

Ron didn't.

why?

I think he said he didn't answer because he was turning in the driveway at the time and Misty was at the door.

[ICE]

Originally Posted by Swarovski
"The comment I heard from LE recently, is that Ron was *spotted* at work. What the heck does *spotted* mean?"


Now THAT is interesting! I guess one could assume that nobody stands there and watches a crane operator, right? So they see him once and assume he was there the whole time. hmmmmmm

[bama__angel]

Ok....it's 3am...you just got off work and you are driving home. You see on your phone that your significant other is calling you. Do you answer??

Of course! At 3am you would assume something IMPORTANT is up to warrant such a late call, right?

Ron didn't.

why?


Maybe he stopped at an all night store for a beer on the way home and missed the call..........or a snickers bar.......

or maybe he was almost home and just didnt wanna answer the phone......I dont know.......

[Rushbo]

I do too. We've seen from other cases how bold SO's can be when kidnapping children. Polly Klass was kidnapped in themidst of a slumber party. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from the same room her sister was sleeping in. Jessie Lunsford was kidnapped from her own room, just a few feet from her grandparents room. Stephanie Crowe was murdered in her own room while her whole family slept close by.

Stranger or SO abduction can't be ruled out just because Haleigh was sleeping 4 feet away from Misti.

Like I said previously, RSO (or SO) abduction is at the top of my list, too.

[crymeariver2006]

Did he have someone with him to babysit? Maybe Amber?

Haleigh was just a little over a year old and Jr. was an infant back in 2005.

If Amber's 19 now, she would have been 15 in 2005.

I hope it wasn't Amber for obvious reasons.

[IlliniFan]

Originally Posted by Swarovski
"The comment I heard from LE recently, is that Ron was *spotted* at work. What the heck does *spotted* mean?"


Now THAT is interesting! I guess one could assume that nobody stands there and watches a crane operator, right? So they see him once and assume he was there the whole time. hmmmmmm


I'm checking the "spotted" statement by LE...That's not the way I heard it..?

[ICE]

I do too. We've seen from other cases how bold SO's can be when kidnapping children. Polly Klass was kidnapped in themidst of a slumber party. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from the same room her sister was sleeping in. Jessie Lunsford was kidnapped from her own room, just a few feet from her grandparents room. Stephanie Crowe was murdered in her own room while her whole family slept close by.

Stranger or SO abduction can't be ruled out just because Haleigh was sleeping 4 feet away from Misti.


I don't think it can be ruled out. I just think that it would have been the perfect crime for a SO to pull this off with no DNA/Prints left behind, turning the kitchen light on, propping open the door (did they bring thier own brick?).

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't believe Amber was in the picture back then. What year was Mexico?

Looks like it was 2006?

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

[ICE]

Maybe he stopped at an all night store for a beer on the way home and missed the call..........or a snickers bar.......

or maybe he was almost home and just didnt wanna answer the phone......I dont know.......

Well if he stopped, I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts he got cigs. :)

[KKKKKKatie]

Haleigh was just a little over a year old and Jr. was an infant back in 2005.

If Amber's 19 now, she would have been 15 in 2005.

I hope it wasn't Amber for obvious reasons.

I think it was 2006 cry....16 wouldn't be out of the realm of Ron IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Well if he stopped, I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts he got cigs. :)

That's what we call a "gimme" bet.

[ICE]

Well Lord knows there are enough RSO's in that area! Many non registered too I'm sure. LE has just not given alot of indication that they are going that way. It would seem they would alert the area of a criminal on the loose and to taske precautions. Have they?

[Rushbo]

We don't know that there were no prints or DNA. The police haven't released that information.

For some reason, I thought LE said they don't have any evidence.

[ICE]

I do not believe he is a crane operator. I believe it was reported he makes 10 dollars an hour and crane operators are extremely high paying jobs... Plus cranes are not usually operated in the middle of the night!


hmmmm...well that stands to reason.

[Rushbo]

I do not believe he is a crane operator. I believe it was reported he makes 10 dollars an hour and crane operators are extremely high paying jobs... Plus cranes are not usually operated in the middle of the night!

I think the type of crane he is operating is just a warehouse overhead crane. Probably the same pay scale as a forklift operator.

[CANDYKISSES]

No one is saying it is the original order. What I (and others) are saying is that after Crystal testified the judge STILL gave custody to Ron and that he didn't get custody by default like you keep claiming.

Bookie, the goal posts move regularly IMO. :biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

I think it was 2006 cry....16 wouldn't be out of the realm of Ron IMO

That's true.

I hope whoever it was had a driver's license and a vehicle for doctor visits to continue Haleigh's (and Jr.'s) medical treatments for however long they were in Texas.

[Peaches]

Yeah right, sure Ron would miss that hearing to take him. :lol: But he sure expected Crystal to miss it. :lol::lol:


MOO is that one of their mother's could have taken him! It was not necessary that it be Ron or Cyrstal.

The child has a heart condition................seems important to me that he keep his doctor appointments..............but that is just me.

BTW............the doctor's appointment was at 8:30 and the time for the court hearing was 10:30............plenty of time to do both..............

[2boysMom]

I wonder what was going on at the Cummings home about 2:30 a.m. the day Haleigh disappeared when the neighbor heard the yelling and screaming.

Does anyone know if Misty had any type of relationship/acquaintance with RSO Donald Lee Sapp?

I don't want to piss anyone off, some of y'all are pretty testy, but my first post was ignored, so I'll ask this again. f anyone can confirm that a neighbor heard screaming and yelling on the night that Haleigh disappeared, I'd sure appreciate it. I can't believe I'd miss something like that. TIA:biggrin:

[sammy]

It does appear that Ron stomps around way ahead of Misty as she follows all happy and giggly. Then again....thats better then the "synchronized smoking" video they showed over and over of Ron and Mist smoking and removing cigs at the same time.

Ice ...
The "synchronized smoking" observation gave me a good chuckle. hehe
My dog is now looking at me like I'm crazy as I sit here at the computer laughing to myself.
Carry on, oh witty one !!

[5boxersmom]

OK but which one would be obsessed?

I was thinking Amber. Then again I keep thinking about that myspace post by Misty to Amber.

imo

[Mimi428]

The appointment was scheduled for around 2 HOURS before the court hearing. There was plenty of time to take him to the dr.

How could we possibly know that was enough time to get to the doctor's office with a small child, get the child back to a caregiver & get to the courthouse in time? We CAN'T know those sorts of things at this point.

We don't know how long the wait was for the doctor. We don't know the length of time of the visit. We don't know the distance from the doctor's office to the courthouse. We don't know who was available to take care of the baby after the visit.

Depending on the doctor's practice, there could be a definite possibility that the doctor could be delayed for a hospital emergency or rounds. Or the visit could include tests, which would lengthen the time spent at the doctor's office or require going to another location.

No way can I agree that there was sufficient time with what little we know so far. I will say that I would NEVER schedule a doctor's appt for 2 hours before I needed to be in court, even if the patient was an adult who would not need a sitter afterwards.

JMO

[ICE]

I think we are going to need a body (dead or alive) to get anymore puzzle pieces.

I still go back to that dumpster search. I really believed that was going to end this case. LE handled the aftermath so loosely. It was almost like a fake search to see reactions.

[Peaches]

Look, that's a word I would never use about someone being seen at work. Obviously I read it in a media report. Check out the past two weeks of media articles, I' sure you'll find it. It was a catchy word to use, so it kinda stuck on me.

Yes, earlier LE did say he was at work. Recently they have said *spotted*.

moo


It seems to me that a person being paid by the hour would clock in and out.....................

That is the way it is most places.

moo

[kitty1182]

I don't want to piss anyone off, some of y'all are pretty testy, but my first post was ignored, so I'll ask this again. f anyone can confirm that a neighbor heard screaming and yelling on the night that Haleigh disappeared, I'd sure appreciate it. I can't believe I'd miss something like that. TIA:biggrin:

These threads go so fast..lol
It was mentioned a neighbor heard something...

[CANDYKISSES]

The appointment was scheduled for around 2 HOURS before the court hearing. There was plenty of time to take him to the dr.

Not just that, but it was offered to Crystal for early drop off....but again, one would have to feel like getting out of bed or doing something.

Come on, her own mother turned her in IIRC. I think Crystal tends to blurt out impulse speak, then realizes it sounded preposterous, can't back it up, and lastly when called upon it looks like she starts back-pedaling from what I've seen to include the snipes here and there for Ron then saying Haleigh is his heart and he wouldn't hurt her in her opinion. :crying:

Her stories alone make me feel like I'm doing 90 on a merry-go-round, but alas it's always after someone has been questioning her not having custody of the two children she had prior to her new baby IMOO.

[IlliniFan]

Look, that's a word I would never use about someone being seen at work. Obviously I read it in a media report. Check out the past two weeks of media articles, I' sure you'll find it. It was a catchy word to use, so it kinda stuck on me.

Yes, earlier LE did say he was at work. Recently they have said *spotted*.

mooVELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

So we`re in the process of interviewing and re-interviewing. And a lot of times this gets confused with questioning. Many times we just have new information that comes in as a part of the leads. And we then have to reaffirm it or affirm it or find out that it is a false lead.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

[ICE]

Keep in mind there is only one way in and one way out of thay sub division, unless you went by water or hoofed it. If the time date camera was operable at the RR station. Ron's arrivaal could very well be on camera. Or is there was such a thing, an SO leaving.

moo

I heard about that camera. Apparently it wasn't functioning or LE would have done something at this point. Then again...

[crymeariver2006]

I would like to know if there was an on going feud between Amber and Misty. An engagement sure would be a way to set someone obsessed with Ron off. hmmm

imo

I would say, based on the messages (plural) left on Amber's myspace by Misty that Misty was the obsessed one. To my knowledge, Misty's little rants were ignored by Amber.

However, being that one of my theories is that Amber was threatened with having Ron take that baby away from her (per Misty's suggestion and threat), she might have asked "how would you like it if somebody took your child?" and then proceeded to show him.

Now, that's just a theory but I don't doubt Misty and Amber have ill feelings toward each other.

[Peaches]

Going to see a heart specialist is not usually in & out. As far as a parent taking him, then why didnt Ron's mom go?

Because it that link that you posted....................Ron asked Crysal if he needed to get Ron Jr to the doctor.............she, Crystal said that she would do it.

I feel certain that his mother or gm would have done this.............

BTW............taking children to the doctor is a hit and miss.........sometimes in and out..........other not so.

Many a trip to Children's hosptial for checkups/etc.............so I know about how long appointments take.

To me ---------- a child with a heart condition needs to go to the doctor when his appointment are scheduled.

In this same link that you posted..............I read that Crystal had made 12 appointments for HaLeigh ------------all cancelled and rescheduled with some of those canceled as well.

HaLeigh's doctor said that he was willing to come to court to testify to that...................

[IlliniFan]

Bless your heart. You found the word SPOTTED!!!!!!!!!!!

moo

As you can see the Cop confirmed his alibi....He was at work..spotted was not HIS word....

JVM used the word spotted...NOT LE...just so you get it right..

You said in an earlier post you said LE said he was spotted......that's not right...

[bama__angel]

Probably not anyone who would admit it and risk losing their job for it.



Yes........I'm sure there are men or women who work with Ron who would lie for him and continue lying for fear they would lose their jobs......Going to jail for impeding an investigation isnt nearly as bad as losing your job...

[Deb7]

I would say, based on the messages (plural) left on Amber's myspace by Misty that Misty was the obsessed one. To my knowledge, Misty's little rants were ignored by Amber.

However, being that one of my theories is that Amber was threatened with having Ron take that baby away from her (per Misty's suggestion and threat), she might have asked "how would you like it if somebody took your child?" and then proceeded to show him.

Now, that's just a theory but I don't doubt Misty and Amber have ill feelings toward each other.

I like your theory. I have been thinking about a theory along these lines since that conversation between me and another poster that said Ron's alleged baby's mama had nothing to do with Haleigh missing... hmmm, maybe she does?

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

How could we possibly know that was enough time to get to the doctor's office with a small child, get the child back to a caregiver & get to the courthouse in time? We CAN'T know those sorts of things at this point.

We don't know how long the wait was for the doctor. We don't know the length of time of the visit. We don't know the distance from the doctor's office to the courthouse. We don't know who was available to take care of the baby after the visit.

Depending on the doctor's practice, there could be a definite possibility that the doctor could be delayed for a hospital emergency or rounds. Or the visit could include tests, which would lengthen the time spent at the doctor's office or require going to another location.

No way can I agree that there was sufficient time with what little we know so far. I will say that I would NEVER schedule a doctor's appt for 2 hours before I needed to be in court, even if the patient was an adult who would not need a sitter afterwards.

JMO

Not just "A" small child. There were two children, Jr. being an infant and Haleigh just over a year old (maybe 18 months at the most).

Doctors appointments are quite the "outing" at that age, IMO.

[Motomom]

I do not believe he is a crane operator. I believe it was reported he makes 10 dollars an hour and crane operators are extremely high paying jobs... Plus cranes are not usually operated in the middle of the night!

The 10$ an hour report is in the custody papers IMO. That was for the job that he had, doing construction I believe, when he filed for Custody. This is a different job IIRC.

[Deb7]

Yes........I'm sure there are men or women who work with Ron who would lie for him and continue lying for fear they would lose their jobs......Going to jail for impeding an investigation isnt nearly as bad as losing your job...

OH this is my lucky day, another theory I had was that maybe Ron had one of his coworkers cover for him while he took an extended break(and maybe this coworker could be a RSO and or is in trouble with the law etc...) and he/she won't come forward for any number of reasons.
I don't know of his work situation as to if they are watched closely, or if they are just trusted to be doing their jobs. You never know, anything is really possible at this point.

JMO

[Peaches]

As you can see the Cop confirmed his alibi....He was at work..spotted was not HIS word....

JVM used the word spotted...NOT LE...just so you get it right..

You said in an earlier post you said LE said he was spotted......that's not right...



Nothing new there.............twist.....turn............words are moved around to prove some people's points.

Good catch!

moo

[KatyDid]

I think we are going to need a body (dead or alive) to get anymore puzzle pieces.

I still go back to that dumpster search. I really believed that was going to end this case. LE handled the aftermath so loosely. It was almost like a fake search to see reactions.

I wondered about that. The way it was handled, or imo mishandled, was almost like it was staged.

One thing I don't get is that THREE cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster, iirc. It surprises me that there was nothing there that justified 3 cadaver dogs hitting.

[Deb7]

Has she been questioned? What would she have done with her? It would make sense that Haleigh would know her IF she was MAYBE the one who could have been along to "babysit" for the mexico vacation. But would she be holding her somewhere?

And there is a good chance that Haleigh would know this girl if her father did in fact have a relationship with her at one time.

JMO

Not sure if she would do anything or not, but it is a good theory and I wonder too if she has been questioned.

[playnice]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/18/florida.missing.girl/


The police officer rebuffed a question about whether Croslin had changed her story about where she was when the girl disappeared, though he called the tip "a very important one."

"I don't know that you can say her story is changing," Schauland said. "I don't know if it's a true tip or not. It may not be valid."
He said Haleigh's father's alibi, that he was at work, had been confirmed.


This seems like a big difference from "spotted" at work.

[Peaches]

That is not proof that Crystal agreed. Besides that I think you are confusing another incident. In the court transcript I believe it was the judge who asked, and not something that Ron brought up.


Sorry................both Crystal and Ron were there as well as Crystal's mon .............

The judge seemed to be very fair.

He allowed each of them to answer questions and make comments and to make corrections.

Crystal did not say that Ron was not telling the truth about the dr appointment.

And............Ron said all the things I have already posted. Crystal was suppose to get Ron Jr to the doctor or bring him back home so that he could take care of it.

Simple as that................and all in back in white on that link you posted. :chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

So we`re in the process of interviewing and re-interviewing. And a lot of times this gets confused with questioning. Many times we just have new information that comes in as a part of the leads. And we then have to reaffirm it or affirm it or find out that it is a false lead.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

IMO, the operative phrase from that is "However, again we don't know what happened to Haleigh and we don't (know) when it happened".

[IlliniFan]

Look, that's a word I would never use about someone being seen at work. Obviously I read it in a media report. Check out the past two weeks of media articles, I' sure you'll find it. It was a catchy word to use, so it kinda stuck on me.

Yes, earlier LE did say he was at work[/B[B]]. Recently they have said *spotted*.
mooVELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.


Again you said LE said he was spotted at work, not true..that was JVM.....SHauland said his alibi was confirmed....

Big difference.....imo

bolded by me

[ICE]

I wondered about that. The way it was handled, or imo mishandled, was almost like it was staged.

One thing I don't get is that THREE cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster, iirc. It surprises me that there was nothing there that justified 3 cadaver dogs hitting.


They say these dogs are really good. I can see a dog making a mistake, but THREE dogs?

[crymeariver2006]

I wondered about that. The way it was handled, or imo mishandled, was almost like it was staged.

One thing I don't get is that THREE cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster, iirc. It surprises me that there was nothing there that justified 3 cadaver dogs hitting.

The thing about that is the dogs will only alert to decomposition, not identify who the decomposition belonged to.

There's no way to say if the hit or hits were related to Haleigh.

:sad:

[IlliniFan]

IMO, the operative phrase from that is "However, again we don't know what happened to Haleigh and we don't (know) when it happened".

But the fact that he was at work and his child had been at school until arriving home at approximately 3:45....doesn't leave much of a window for Ron to have harmed his child, clean the evidence and hide Haleigh.....I don't think he would leave that up to Misty.....

[Peaches]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/18/florida.missing.girl/


The police officer rebuffed a question about whether Croslin had changed her story about where she was when the girl disappeared, though he called the tip "a very important one."

"I don't know that you can say her story is changing," Schauland said. "I don't know if it's a true tip or not. It may not be valid."
He said Haleigh's father's alibi, that he was at work, had been confirmed.


This seems like a big difference from "spotted" at work.


Playnice................I think was confirmed a long time ago..........it was even talked about the short breaks and lunch so that he did not have time to go home and back

I just do not believe that Ron did anything to his child.

moo

[IlliniFan]

I give you that it was JVM that used the word. That being said, LE said he *was at work*, yet did not disclose time in and time out. I was at work yesterday, no one knows, what time I arrived or left.

Till I see Ron's timeclock card, I'll give it that he was at work, at least sometime.

Thanks again for the link.
moo


No problem...sometimes information posted is taken as fact...that's all...

[bama__angel]

[QUOTE=IlliniFan;12879999]But the fact that he was at work and his child had been at school until arriving home at approximately 3:45....doesn't leave much of a window for Ron to have harmed his child, clean the evidence and hide Haleigh.....I don't think he would leave that up to Misty.....[/QUOT


ITA...not to his dumb b...h girlfriend...............

[crymeariver2006]

But the fact that he was at work and his child had been at school until arriving home at approximately 3:45....doesn't leave much of a window for Ron to have harmed his child, clean the evidence and hide Haleigh.....I don't think he would leave that up to Misty.....

Before he went to work, no. Or before he was scheduled to be at work, no.

[Peaches]

I don't think Misty cares too much about "rules".


MOO is that many in either family care much about rules/family values or morals..................

As I said this is my very own opinion and from what I am reading about them......................

Thank being said, I still think that Ron loved his daughter and would not hurt her.

[IlliniFan]

Before he went to work, no. Or before he was scheduled to be at work, no.

I just don't know..Honestly, whoever did this, I want them found. I'm just looking at the window of time/opportunity for Ron do have done this and I'm just not conviced he could have done it..


Also, I don't think Ron is the kind of person that would cover for Misty if she had harmed Haleigh???

Just not enough facts at this point...? imo

[odyssey]

Interesting that we no longer talk about a stranger or sex offender.

I do. It is just very difficult for me to participate on the board when there is so much seeming hatefulness on it like today.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

I just don't know..Honestly, whoever did this, I want them found. I'm just looking at the window of time/opportunity for Ron do have done this and I'm just not conviced he could have done it..


Also, I don't think Ron is the kind of person that would cover for Misty if she had harmed Haleigh???

Just not enough facts at this point...? imo

I agree, not enough facts and a police department that is h#llbent on not providing anything for us to work with.

:mad:

[KatyDid]

The thing about that is the dogs will only alert to decomposition, not identify who the decomposition belonged to.

There's no way to say if the hit or hits were related to Haleigh.

:sad:

Wouldn't LE want to find out if there truly was decomp in the dumpster? Maybe they tuned it over to somebody else in the department to check out. Makes me wonder if they took any samples to be tested.

[MrLucky917B]

Keep in mind there is only one way in and one way out of thay sub division, unless you went by water or hoofed it. If the time date camera was operable at the RR station. Ron's arrivaal could very well be on camera. Or is there was such a thing, an SO leaving.

moo

The nearest RR station is Palatka to the north (about 1 1/2 miles) across the St Jhon's River and DeLand to the south (about 45 miles)

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh for the love of God....READ the link you provide!!!!


Magistate Prugh: Okay. Do either of the children have any unusual medical conditions?

Page 10 of your own link.

It's ridiculous and this is more evidence of a poster not reading but continuing to ARGUE as opposed to DEBATE IMOO. :shrug:

Horse, water and drink come to mind?:bored:

[IlliniFan]

School does not get out that late there. I think we already established they let out between 2-3 and Ron himself claims to have picker her from that bus that day!

I don't know the exact time that school gets out, but 2 seems early to me...Plus, you have to add the bus ride.

I'm trying, as objectively as I can, to see if there was time for Ron to have done all of this...I'm saying, I am not convinced at this point...I know it's an unpopular idea. I'm just trying to look at what we know in an attempt to be fair, while trying to figure things out....

If he's guilty then I want him behind bars. I am questioning the time involved to commit the crime, etc.../the confirmation he was at work

jmo...

[beachpatty]

My short term memory loss is not as sharp as it used to be. Also, My short term memory is not as sharp as it used to be.

:wink:


hahahahahahaaa thank you :)
I've been catching up the last few pages and i really needed a chuckle!

Beachpatty
:thumbup:

[Peaches]

The judge did not ask if they had any medical issues, but were supposed to believe everything you remember huh?

Here you go page 11 where the judge asked Ron if they had been to the doctor yet

And page 26 where she explains why she could not take him and the judge accepted that.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf




On page 10 of this same document.........................

Magistrate Prugh: "Okay. Do either of the children have unusual medical conditions?"

So..................yes, the judge did ask?

[playnice]

Before he went to work, no. Or before he was scheduled to be at work, no.

Im scheduled to be here at work tomorrow. If a crime is committed tomorrow in my family and I say I was at work, scheduled to be here isnt going to get it.
LE is going to check my time card and my coworkers and boss(I dont have one here tho) to see if I was here the whole time or left any.

I assume since the officer said they confirmed that Ron was there they did more than check to see if he was scheduled. If not, what a bunch of incompetent bunch they are and so bad for finding Haleigh..
I hope they know what they are doing.:confused:

[Owlface]

I don't know the exact time that school gets out, but 2 seems early to me...Plus, you have to add the bus ride.

I'm trying, as objectively as I can, to see if there was time for Ron to have done all of this...I'm saying, I am not convinced at this point...I know it's an unpopular idea. I'm just trying to look at what we know in an attempt to be fair, while trying to figure things out....

If he's guilty then I want him behind bars. I am questioning the time involved to commit the crime, etc.../the confirmation he was at work

jmo...

How much time do you think it would have taken?

[MrLucky917B]

Add to that if Haleigh was seen by anyone after he left for work and cell phone pings put him getting home right before the 911 call then the timing gets even slimmer for him being involved.

Hi Bookie, have the cell phone records been released, pings can be anywhere within a 5 to 10 mile radius of where a person actually is.

JMO

[bama__angel]

It's ridiculous and this is more evidence of a poster not reading but continuing to ARGUE as opposed to DEBATE IMOO. :shrug:

Horse, water and drink come to mind?:bored:


No after having to read this back and forth for hours.............happy hour comes to my mind.........

[IlliniFan]

I would like to know too and another poster who lives in Florida said that school gets out at 2 I believe. But assuming it is not until 3 and that Ron probably worked an 8 hour shift he wouldnt have left until at least 6:30 for a shift that starts at 7. That seems like enough time.


Well, I might have to dig up a link....but

Some poster, who's name escapes me now...Called Ron's employer under the pretense that her husband was interested in a job..lol true!!!

anyhoo..The shift Ron works is from 4:30 pm until 3:00 AM

[playnice]

Well, I might have to dig up a link....but

Some poster, who's name escapes me now...Called Ron's employer under the pretense that her husband was interested in a job..lol true!!!

anyhoo..The shift Ron works is from 4:30 pm until 3:00 AM

I remember that.

[beamer]

Well, I might have to dig up a link....but

Some poster, who's name escapes me now...Called Ron's employer under the pretense that her husband was interested in a job..lol true!!!

anyhoo..The shift Ron works is from 4:30 pm until 3:00 AM

Very true and that poster would be me, I was breeze53 but some how got knocked off and cant find my password to get back in so i had to register again.

[IlliniFan]

How much time do you think it would have taken?


I don't know? I do know Ron starts work at 4:30, plus you have to include the drive time....If...if he is guilty then he has hidden, where as of this moment, no one can find her??


Plus, it's believed she was seen after he left for work? imo

However, I can't be entirely sure of the last statement..I have heard that M's brother was there, G Grandma and a neighbor saw her...

[Elle]

I don't know the exact time that school gets out, but 2 seems early to me...Plus, you have to add the bus ride.

I'm trying, as objectively as I can, to see if there was time for Ron to have done all of this...I'm saying, I am not convinced at this point...I know it's an unpopular idea. I'm just trying to look at what we know in an attempt to be fair, while trying to figure things out....

If he's guilty then I want him behind bars. I am questioning the time involved to commit the crime, etc.../the confirmation he was at work

jmo...

Haleigh's school is Browning Pearce
http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours08.html
school gets out at 3

[IlliniFan]

I remember reading someone posted that too. That doesn't make sense. I have heard of 12 hour shifts but 10 is strange.

I think AMW even had ron's schedule as what the poster was told...

[beamer]

I remember reading someone posted that too. That doesn't make sense. I have heard of 12 hour shifts but 10 is strange.


If i remember right they did have 12 hr weekend shifts.

[Motomom]

So? Lots of people who genuinely love their children still kill them.

It is her opinion that Ron loved his daughter and did not harm her. Deal with it. We all know that people who love, sometimes kill. That's not even an issue here IMO. You are entitled to your opinion, so is she. We all don't share the same opinion.. It's all good..

[IlliniFan]

Haleigh's school is Browning Pearce
http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours08.html
school gets out at 3

Thank-you so much...I wonder how long her bus ride might have been?

[CANDYKISSES]

Unbelievable huh?

Yes, but not unusual from what I am reading. I have no words and a mild headache after this afternoon...JMO:sneaky:

I'm waiting for the new placement of goalposts now.

[playnice]

I don't know? I do know Ron starts work at 4:30, plus you have to include the drive time....If...if he is guilty then he has hidden, where as of this moment, no one can find her??


Plus, it's believed she was seen after he left for work? imo

However, I can't be entirely sure of the last statement..I have heard that M's brother was there, G Grandma and a neighbor saw her...

I remember LE saying on one of the shows, Jane or Nancy that a neighbor saw her playing in the yard. But the LE guy didnt give a time.
Then you have AC guy there. We dont know who he is or what he said.
Mistis brother. We dont know from LE about him either.
Then the ggm.
I wish LE would come out and talk about these people that were all supposed to be there.

[IlliniFan]

Cops say Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, 25, works for a bridge company, usually 4 p.m. to 3 a.m., and came home sometime after 3 a.m.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


hmmm AMW is saying he starts at 4pm...But I sure recall the poster that call his workplace saying the shift started at 4:30

If he starts at 4 that would narrow the window of time? imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you when I was insisting the facts prove that Ron initially received custody by default but you kept claiming it was not true. :rolleyes:


Your history speaks to exactly what's going on here today IMO.

You have been provided much information, and now you seem to be able to actually provide some yourself, yet you dismiss what you provide too....:w00t:

jmo:cursing:

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know? I do know Ron starts work at 4:30, plus you have to include the drive time....If...if he is guilty then he has hidden, where as of this moment, no one can find her??


Plus, it's believed she was seen after he left for work? imo

However, I can't be entirely sure of the last statement..I have heard that M's brother was there, G Grandma and a neighbor saw her...

And Capt. Schauland says that the only person who saw her, after Ron left for work, besides Misty was a neighbor who said she saw her earlier in the evening - I believe playing in the yard. No mention was made of Misty's brother, the A/C guy, or the GGM. Unless they are a "neighbor", but he didn't say "relative", he said "neighbor".

And no, there is no link because it was on Mike Gallanos' HLN show and they don't have transcripts. But several of us saw the same program and searched fruitlessly for a link.

[CANDYKISSES]

No after having to read this back and forth for hours.............happy hour comes to my mind.........

It's starting to sound good right now Bama. :wub:

[IlliniFan]

I remember LE saying on one of the shows, Jane or Nancy that a neighbor saw her playing in the yard. But the LE guy didnt give a time.
Then you have AC guy there. We dont know who he is or what he said.
Mistis brother. We dont know from LE about him either.
Then the ggm.
I wish LE would come out and talk about these people that were all supposed to be there.

I know!! If she was seen after he went to work that would make a big difference..I sure don't think GGrandma would lie...but, who knows?

She said she was there at 7ish...?

[Mimi428]

Thank being said, I still think that Ron loved his daughter and would not hurt her.


<snipped>

What do you think separates him from other people who have loved AND killed their child(ren) or spouse?

Sharon Rocha would have said the same exact things about Scott Peterson - that he loved Laci & would not hurt her.

Freddy Kassab at one point strongly believed Jeffrey MacDonald loved his wife & children & would not hurt them.

Diane Downs' parents STILL believe she loved her children and would not hurt them. Darlie Routier's mother believes the same about her own daughter.

All of those families have/had pictures of the murderer smiling, playing, looking happy & darn near the perfect image of bliss with the same people they cold-bloodedly MURDERED.

What did their families not see, what did they miss? What do you, a non-family member, possess that allows you to state with such conviction that Ron could not be just like those murderers?

I really don't get the logic behind the posts from different people claiming that happy looks or smiling photos guarantee innocence when we have all known of so many other cases in which those looks & those smiles were on the faces of cruel, heartless, selfish murderers.

JMO

[5boxersmom]

People have stated here many times that they get the impression Crystal can't stand Ron, my belief is that in order to hate "hate" you must also have "love". It's when you feel nothing for a person that you know for sure it's over. I can see her having strong feelings for Ron, but believeing those feelings should be hate, and not admitting to herself that they are really something else.

There is a thin line between love and hate. :wink:

[IlliniFan]

And Capt. Schauland says that the only person who saw her, after Ron left for work, besides Misty was a neighbor who said she saw her earlier in the evening - I believe playing in the yard. No mention was made of Misty's brother, the A/C guy, or the GGM. Unless they are a "neighbor", but he didn't say "relative", he said "neighbor".

And no, there is no link because it was on Mike Gallanos' HLN show and they don't have transcripts. But several of us saw the same program and searched fruitlessly for a link.


I know, no transcripts for that show...I did miss that when it was aired..
Horse, a poster here said she heard it as well..I'm not doubting you heard that...

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone have the pic of the laundry room wall where it looked like LE cut a part of it out?

I was watching a show I taped this morning and there had been a bloody palm print on a wall and they cut a square and took that piece of the wall for evidence.

imo

[ICE]

I can see this scenerion..

Misty- "Ron, I can't this anymore! They keep asking me question after question! I just want to tell them everything and get this over with."

Ron-"No baby, you are doing great! We can get through this and have the life we always dreamed of. In fact, I want to give you something tonight that shows you my love. We are going to Chili's."


:wink:

[ICE]

Mimi. Once again you hit it out of the ballpark!!! :thumbsup:

eh. I give her a triple and a one base throwing error. :laugh:

[kate482000]

<snipped>

What do you think separates him from other people who have loved AND killed their child(ren) or spouse?

Sharon Rocha would have said the same exact things about Scott Peterson - that he loved Laci & would not hurt her.

Freddy Kassab at one point strongly believed Jeffrey MacDonald loved his wife & children & would not hurt them.

Diane Downs' parents STILL believe she loved her children and would not hurt them. Darlie Routier's mother believes the same about her own daughter.

All of those families have/had pictures of the murderer smiling, playing, looking happy & darn near the perfect image of bliss with the same people they cold-bloodedly MURDERED.

What did their families not see, what did they miss? What do you, a non-family member, possess that allows you to state with such conviction that Ron could not be just like those murderers?

I really don't get the logic behind the posts from different people claiming that happy looks or smiling photos guarantee innocence when we have all known of so many other cases in which those looks & those smiles were on the faces of cruel, heartless, selfish murderers.

JMO

ITA mimi..very good and logical post...

[playnice]

OK, I was not disputing it was possible. I dont know. But he doesn't build bridges. I believe he works for a factory that makes the bridge fittings or something like that.

I believe you are right.