Tuesday March 10, 2009

[MrLucky917B]

New Thread for a New Day,
1 month today
Where is Haleigh

[Themis]

Well, none of us can complain about no news coverage today and therefore nothing to discuss.

Went from seeing Ron crying on the Today show this morning as he sobbed his way to the doorway of Haleigh's room
to
watching glowing, talkative Misty sporting her new engagement ring given to her at Mother Teresa's birthday celebration at Chilis restaurant.

Any future tears from any of them will be, IMO, fakery.

Thanks to all the posters for sharing and an especial thanks for the links to Internet articles and videos.

Signing off the Haleigh Thread for now. I have had all my stomach can take.

[JMO]

[MrLucky917B]

Thanks Mr Lucky......1 month!

This wedding sounds to me like bad advice heard through the grape vine. Someones sisters neighbors cousins dad overheard it at the bar or something. If he is trying to avoid legal action concerning his relationship w/ Misty, then it makes me wonder if he is being threatened by LE or something???

I'm lost on everything that has been going on the last month, nothing makes sense except the fact that Haleigh is missing.

JMO

[teresa]

Thanks Mr Lucky......1 month!

This wedding sounds to me like bad advice heard through the grape vine. Someones sisters neighbors cousins dad overheard it at the bar or something. If he is trying to avoid legal action concerning his relationship w/ Misty, then it makes me wonder if he is being threatened by LE or something???

Very bad advice or no advice Tree Tree. They need someone for guidance without a doubt. I don't think LE would waste time on this right now, do you? I have read that they have received a lot of complaints about the age thing, but even then, it seems a waste of time. I think that's probably why they are doing it, though. To hush the gossip about that part of their lives.

I just want to know where Haleigh is. It's driving me nuts!

[aproudmom]

Does anyone know if the RC or Misty had cellphones? sorry if it has been talked about already

[aproudmom]

Also thanks a bunch Lucky for the new thread:smile:

[Leather&Lace]

Does anyone know if the RC or Misty had cellphones? sorry if it has been talked about already

IIRC, Misty called Ron on his cell phone before he got home the night Haleigh went missing. I don't think he answered the call because he was pulling in the driveway.

I need to go pull the info on that because that is curious as well thinking back. Why would he not answer the call? That is odd.
Let me see what I can find.

Stating JMO since I do not have the link at hand.

[MrLucky917B]

Does anyone know if the RC or Misty had cellphones? sorry if it has been talked about already

The way cell phones are now a days everyone has one, since Misty tried to call Ron before he got home it would have been to his cell phone. Nothing has been said about Misty having a cell phone.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Thank you so much I wonder if LE ask for all cellphones I am sure they did but I could be wrong cause they would not need a warrent for them if they agreed to letting them download all information and check the pings for the whole day not just that night

[cloe23]

Does anyone know if the RC or Misty had cellphones? sorry if it has been talked about already

IIRC we have not been privy to anything except LE briefs and the media coverage. Very frustrating imo. These kids had to of had at least track phones, was the 911 call from a LAN line or cell? We don't even know if they text messaged each other that evening.
And what ever happened to the visit from family who claimed they saw the kids out on the porch eating?

[aproudmom]

IIRC we have not been privy to anything except LE briefs and the media coverage. Very frustrating imo. These kids had to of had at least track phones, was the 911 call from a LAN line or cell? We don't even know if they text messaged each other that evening.
And what ever happened to the visit from family who claimed they saw the kids out on the porch eating?

If they did have cells and LE did not get them they are stupid they could pretty much tell were they had been that day

[Leather&Lace]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12846913

Read first Post by Lorakai. Information taken from interviews.
I initially heard RC speak of Misty calling him but he was close to home or pulling in the driveway and did not answer.

It is fairly clear that Ron has a cell phone but not sure about Misty having a cell.

[aproudmom]

IIRC we have not been privy to anything except LE briefs and the media coverage. Very frustrating imo. These kids had to of had at least track phones, was the 911 call from a LAN line or cell? We don't even know if they text messaged each other that evening.
And what ever happened to the visit from family who claimed they saw the kids out on the porch eating?

Sorry another thing the main reason we know nothing is because they did not lawyer up cause if they did it would be public record.

[aproudmom]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12846913

Read first Post by Lorakai. Information taken from interviews.
I initially heard RC speak of Misty calling him but he was close to home or pulling in the driveway and did not answer.

It is fairly clear that Ron has a cell phone but not sure about Misty having a cell.

Thank you L&L

[cloe23]

If they did have cells and LE did not get them they are stupid they could pretty much tell were they had been that day

There is deffenatly lazy and over budget LE out there. I hope that the FBI is still involved.
If I was saving minutes and receiving a call on my cell when pulling into the driveway I wouldn't answer either.

[MrLucky917B]

Sorry another thing the main reason we know nothing is because they did not lawyer up cause if they did it would be public record.

They didn't lawyer up because there were no charges, LE has the right to release what they want in an active investigation, it is not public record.

JMO

[aproudmom]

There is deffenatly lazy and over budget LE out there. I hope that the FBI is still involved.
If I was saving minutes and receiving a call on my cell when pulling into the driveway I wouldn't answer either.

I am not really even talking about just that evening but for the whole day or week and if this cousin had one it should have been looked at they can check were the pings

[Leather&Lace]

I think this is RC sister, Crystal Gaynell Cummings, arrest. Think that is her? I do.

Excuse if already found and posted. Also, hope it is ok to post this link on the daily thread.

http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732

[cloe23]

Sorry another thing the main reason we know nothing is because they did not lawyer up cause if they did it would be public record.

Are these kids that smart? I assumed that they haven't obtained counsel because they are not being held on charges and have no money to retain one for PR reasons. (IMO They really need someone to advise them to stop this stupid behaviour)

[aproudmom]

They didn't lawyer up because there were no charges, LE has the right to release what they want in an active investigation, it is not public record.

JMO

I didnt think of that if no charges then a lawyer could not request the information cause onces it is released to the def lawyer it becomes public..thanks I did not even think about that. I guess I have got so used to the Casey Anthony case were all the stuff is public because of the Sunshine Law

[aproudmom]

Are these kids that smart? I assumed that they haven't obtained counsel because they are not being held on charges and have no money to retain one for PR reasons. (IMO They really need someone to advise them to stop this stupid behaviour)

O you are so right

[cloe23]

I am not really even talking about just that evening but for the whole day or week and if this cousin had one it should have been looked at they can check were the pings

Wonder what cell phone reception is like in that remote area?

What about the missing sex offender? Any news on him? Was his first victim a female or male?

[aproudmom]

I think this is RC sister, Crystal Gaynell Cummings, arrest. Think that is her? I do.

Excuse if already found and posted. Also, hope it is ok to post this link on the daily thread.

http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732

I bet it is thanks for the link I think it is fine posting them I hate having to go back and forth to find them.

[MrLucky917B]

Wonder what cell phone reception is like in that remote area?

What about the missing sex offender? Any news on him? Was his first victim a female or male?

The reception is bad in that area, LE moved their command post into town because of it.

The missing guy still hasen't been found, his victim was a female.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Wonder what cell phone reception is like in that remote area?

What about the missing sex offender? Any news on him? Was his first victim a female or male?

I have not heard anything about him being found I think these days there are so many with cell phones it is not as bad these days to get a signal but not sure.

[cloe23]

The reception is bad in that area, LE moved their command post into town because of it.

The missing guy still hasen't been found, his victim was a female.

JMO

I respectfully thank you.:smile:

Any legal documentation on him the missing SO?

[aproudmom]

The reception is bad in that area, LE moved their command post into town because of it.

The missing guy still hasen't been found, his victim was a female.

JMO

I may be wrong but as long as the phone is on it still shows what tower it is pinging off of.

[cloe23]

I have not heard anything about him being found I think these days there are so many with cell phones it is not as bad these days to get a signal but not sure.

I think he should be checked out more. The Super Bowl party was the last he has been seen, missing a week prior to Haleigh's abduction.
What if he is/was a stocking his prey?
Also the bar in Palatka that held fund raiser 'Spurs Saloon' Do they have a video camera? Biker bar, not a bad thing imo but there is in unconditional brotherhood with them.

[aproudmom]

The reception is bad in that area, LE moved their command post into town because of it.

The missing guy still hasen't been found, his victim was a female.

JMO

I never heard LE moved because of that I thought they said they could do more moving to the police dept for all the tips since the big searches had been done again I may be wrong just never heard that.
Well I am off to bed thanks for all the post night everyone:seeya:

[cloe23]

I may be wrong but as long as the phone is on it still shows what tower it is pinging off of.

IIRC it shows up on the service records as a attempted call or a failed call. But ITA there is documentation of the pings and attempted usage.

[cloe23]

I never heard LE moved because of that I thought they said they could do more moving to the police dept for all the tips since the big searches had been done again I may be wrong just never heard that.
Well I am off to bed thanks for all the post night everyone:seeya:

ITA. Just not so colorful now.

[catdoc]

Don't know where she is... but i know where she isn't

She wasn't at Chilis whooping it up and celebrating grandmas's birthday/daddy and Mistys engagement party!

and she wasn't at City Hall getting a wedding license with daddy and misty... or admiring Mistys shiney new ring as she giggled and showed it off to reporters. :thumbdown:

I guess poor little Haleigh is having to mark her 1 month of captivity in a more sobering fashion... like possibly at the hands of a pervert being abused and or tortured AGAIN or rotting in a ditch somewhere! :sad:

:cursing:

Do we know they were "whooping it up" or even celebrating? They'd been staying mostly in a tent for a month and mostly living off hot plate food. Chili's is not the Ritz. Maybe they just went together for dinner because Teresa was having the saddest birthday of her life. I can't believe the people I've been watching on TV aren't really suffering horribly. She might not have even known Ron was going to propose.

[Larkin]

I still can't wrap my mind around this! Yes, bad timing and all that, but to see Misty showing off her ring (smiling, laughing), when little Haleigh is still missing..drives a dagger straight through my heart!

The utter lack of human emotion for this little girl astounds me to the max! Misty needs to get real here! If she's really 17, she sure doesn't show it..more like a 13 yr. old if you ask me.

I can't believe the WHOLE family is happy about this latest revolting development! :confused:

[Rushbo]

The engagement makes it looks like Misty is getting an award for letting his daughter get abducted or murdered, IMO.

[Rushbo]

Has any records been collected about Mother Teresa (i.e. marriage records, possible arrest records, etc.)?

Do we know where she was born?

[Rushbo]

Do we have any forensic astrologists on this board similar so Soulscape?

[catdoc]

I'll be interested to hear what TN has to say about this. Was it a surprise to her? We will be able to tell if she is happy about it or just being polite. She's broken my heart every time I've seen her on TV. But also I wonder what kind of "raising" Ron had to make such poor and destructive decisions. :confused:

[Rushbo]

HA! right back atcha! :)....who knows... the way Daddy Warbucks Ron is flashing the money around maybe he'll take his bride to the "Hawaii Motel" and order up some beer and pizza?

:rolleyes:

They probably be down at the Ritz Carlton like George and Cindy.

[Rushbo]

you could be right... for all we know Ron has figured out the "game" and decided to license the rights to ABC for their *cough* wedding. :rolleyes:

I'm visualizing it on Jerry Springer with the whole host of characters from the Cummings and Croslin families.

[Rushbo]

yup and since Ron has said that he doesn't know if he has another baby :rolleyes:.... maybe Maury Povich could join in the festivities by bringing Amber onstage and doing one of his "DNA: WHO's the DADDY" shows as a grand finale! :scared:

The perfect cast for this! ROTFLMAO

[MoonFlwr]

I was shocked at the news of Ron and Misty's engagement (like many others).

I was wondering if Ron decided to do it, to assure Misty that he still loves her and doesn't blame her for what happened (or something along those lines). *shrug*

[Rushbo]

I was shocked at the news of Ron and Misty's engagement (like many others).

I was wondering if Ron decided to do it, to assure Misty that he still loves her and doesn't blame her for what happened (or something along those lines). *shrug*

IMO, the only reason they are getting married is because they are dumb enough to think they will not have to testify against each other.

Maybe LE is getting too lose to the truth about what happened to litle Haleigh.

[Januarybaby]

I had a certain amount of respect for Haleighs father for being up front and there for his daughter while she is missing up until now.

For one, Misty isnt barely old enough to drive and she certainly isnt old enough to drink, and while some pervert may have his daughter doing Lord knows what to her, he proposes to someone who is almost a child herself and has to have her mother sign papers for her to get married. This is sick. My sympathy for them is now flying out the window and I feel even more sorry for Haleigh.

Her mother says she told them to wait until she was 18 to get married but under the circumstances shes going to let them. WTF? I think moms just happy to marry her off and have him take care of her, why else would a mother let her daughter make a HUGE mistake like that at the age of 17 or there must be a different motive for it. Mom says Haleigh wanted it and even talked about it and was happy? At this point, I dont think so.

The whole thing screams inappropriate. A wedding is a time to celebrate and for everyone to be happy. I guess they will be married very soon if her mother still has to sign papers and Haleigh will have to take a backburner for that time.

Guess it will make for a wonderful marriage as her reminds her " how you let my daughter get stole you b-----."

[Themis]

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 Last Update 12:44 AM

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-and-Misty-Engaged/FY37XC5vAEylu_BRFPBLLg.cspx


Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, says it's what Haleigh always wanted. "When Haleigh was home, she always wanted Misty to be mommy," says Neves

When Haleigh was home (??)

Teresa Neves makes it sound like Haleigh is off at boarding school.

[JMO]

[sickntired]

IMO, the only reason they are getting married is because they are dumb enough to think they will not have to testify against each other.

Maybe LE is getting too lose to the truth about what happened to litle Haleigh.

I was thinking the same thing....isn't there some law you don't have to testify against your spouse?

[Erin26GA]

Horse...I think it might have just been confusing the way it was worded.

all i saw as an answer was that Ron and Misty getting married this Saturday and then later on Gretas show she confirmed that they are getting married this week.


Good Morning all, I find it odd that RC wouldn't want to hold out on getting married until his daughter can be there...or atleast find out what happened to her. I can't imagine getting married, and my child not being there. Seems realllyyyy fishy to me.

JMO

[Motomom]

I still can't wrap my mind around this! Yes, bad timing and all that, but to see Misty showing off her ring (smiling, laughing), when little Haleigh is still missing..drives a dagger straight through my heart!

The utter lack of human emotion for this little girl astounds me to the max! Misty needs to get real here! If she's really 17, she sure doesn't show it..more like a 13 yr. old if you ask me.

I can't believe the WHOLE family is happy about this latest revolting development! :confused:



I believe this marrage proprosal is off the wall. I don't understand it and I think it may have to do with them worrying about LE and their ages. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

One thing I want to ask is when is it ok for them to celebrate birthdays? when is it ok for them to go out to dinner? When should they start smiling again? IMO the search for Haleigh is at a standstill. It's ONLY been a MONTH..I dont' think they (everyone) looked long enough for her IMO. Tm went home early, the searches stopped early. I just don't understand it. But I still don't know when an appropriate time would be for anything I mentioned. Thankfully I've never had a missing child.. if this child is presumed dead when should they move on? Like I said, it's only been a month, so IMO it is much too soon, but they've been living this nightmare, I haven't.

[Januarybaby]

Good Morning all, I find it odd that RC wouldn't want to hold out on getting married until his daughter can be there...or atleast find out what happened to her. I can't imagine getting married, and my child not being there. Seems realllyyyy fishy to me.

JMO

I couldnt imagine getting married either and especially not having my missing daughter of a month not there. I couldnt do it with all the horrible thoughts that may be going through my mind. They should be working on Haleighs safe return and not a wedding.
IMO, getting married is a celebration and along with it comes the thoughts of starting a family with the person youre marrying. Thats not what they may be thinking but it is the symbol.

Im gonna agree with everyone who says that spouses dont have to testify against each other.

[kitty1182]

Good morning.....
I'm sickened over the marriage news......I am disgusted.

[Januarybaby]

I believe this marrage proprosal is off the wall. I don't understand it and I think it may have to do with them worrying about LE and their ages. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

One thing I want to ask is when is it ok for them to celebrate birthdays? when is it ok for them to go out to dinner? When should they start smiling again? IMO the search for Haleigh is at a standstill. It's ONLY been a MONTH..I dont' think they (everyone) looked long enough for her IMO. Tm went home early, the searches stopped early. I just don't understand it. But I still don't know when an appropriate time would be for anything I mentioned. Thankfully I've never had a missing child.. if this child is presumed dead when should they move on? Like I said, it's only been a month, so IMO it is much too soon, but they've been living this nightmare, I haven't.


I couldnt celebrate anyones birthdays ( except for the other children in the family) let alone a wedding. Even if she is presumed dead, the last thing I would have on my list is a wedding.

What I dont get, is why Haleighs father didnt put the money for that ring into finding his daughter. People are donating to rewards of finding Haleigh and he buys his 17 yr old gf a diamond. This whole thing is now totally off the wall. Seems like they did a nice act at first so not to look like the Anthonys but now true colors are showing.

As a father of a missing child, he should be putting Haleigh above and beyond all other things, not thinking of how to propose to his 17 yr old gf. Could anyone go out shopping for a ring when their daughter hasnt been seen in a month?
If Misty supposedly has the mentality of being mature enough to get married at 17, then she should have had the mentality of being mature enough to say not until your daughter is home safe or we at least know what happened to her and then go through the grieving process.

[Erin26GA]

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 Last Update 12:44 AM

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-and-Misty-Engaged/FY37XC5vAEylu_BRFPBLLg.cspx


Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, says it's what Haleigh always wanted. "When Haleigh was home, she always wanted Misty to be mommy," says Neves

When Haleigh was home (??)

Teresa Neves makes it sound like Haleigh is off at boarding school.

[JMO]


omg, are these people weird or what? Always wanted her to be mommy? Doesn't Haleigh have a mother? I bet that makes Crystal feel pretty crappy. The only person my child would be calling mommy..is ME! 17 year old mommy..That's real nice. Obviously Ron or Misty never had a proper upbringing...if they had..Misty's parents wouldn't sign those papers for her to marry this MAN..and her a$$ would be in school getting an education instead of sittin around all day playing house. For TN to sit there and go right along with this crap, it makes me sick. The ONE person who in this whole ordeal I felt sorry for, and had respect for. No more. I just pray that Haleigh comes home.

JMO

[kitty1182]

I couldnt celebrate anyones birthdays ( except for the other children in the family) let alone a wedding. Even if she is presumed dead, the last thing I would have on my list is a wedding.

What I dont get, is why Haleighs father didnt put the money for that ring into finding his daughter. People are donating to rewards of finding Haleigh and he buys his 17 yr old gf a diamond. This whole thing is now totally off the wall. Seems like they did a nice act at first so not to look like the Anthonys but now true colors are showing.

As a father of a missing child, he should be putting Haleigh above and beyond all other things, not thinking of how to propose to his 17 yr old gf. Could anyone go out shopping for a ring when their daughter hasnt been seen in a month?
If Misty supposedly has the mentality of being mature enough to get married at 17, then she should have had the mentality of being mature enough to say not until your daughter is home safe or we at least know what happened to her and then go through the grieving process.

I would not send these people one penny...:mad:

[sickntired]

I
What I dont get, is why Haleighs father didnt put the money for that ring into finding his daughter. People are donating to rewards of finding Haleigh and he buys his 17 yr old gf a diamond. This whole thing is now totally off the wall. Seems like they did a nice act at first so not to look like the Anthonys but now true colors are showing.



Snipped for space.

In the one video posted here, it says that the ring is a family heirloom, it belonged to TN mother, then TN and now Misty....so TN must have known about the engagement because she had to give Ron the ring.

While watching the UTube video I noticed that the pic of Ron brushing his teeth with Hailey and Ron Jr. he doesn't have the chest tattoo that says "Teresa" (I think that's what it said) that was on a link yesterday of him at the tattoo shop. I wonder when he got that tattoo and who it refers too. I don't think he would tattoo his mothers name on his chest. Especially now since he wants it covered up.

JMO

WWKLS

[playnice]

The only reason I can think of is they think Ron will be arrested for sleeping with a minor. You would think that they would be more discreet
about it.
Mistis beaming and bragging is totally off the wall.

[CelticDawn]

From Gretawire Blog

SATSUMA, Fla. — There was love and Tex-Mex in the air this weekend in Putnam County. Teresa Neves, grandmother of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings, told us intimate details of how her son proposed to his girlfriend.

Neves said this past weekend was her birthday. She said her son, grandson, his girlfriend, Misty Croslin and Ronald’s Sister all went to a local Chili’s to celebrate Neves’ birthday. After eating dinner, she said the dessert order came out and Ronald dropped to one knee.

Neves told us her son proposed on one knee to his girlfriend in the middle of the restaurant. Misty said yes.

Neves said Misty and Ronald spent Monday together getting their paperwork in order to make their marriage official. We’re told they’re expected to officially tie the knot sometime later this week

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/03/09/the-wedding-this-week./


real nice ... celebrating birthdays and marriage proposals... lovely just lovely barf



:mad: barf


IS THIS FOR REAL?...???

HAYLEIGH IS GONE!....MISSING!!!....and they do some classless display of love...???


O K

[Erin26GA]

Good morning, all. Another day and still no Haleigh. I am sick at heart over this and the recent proposal/wedding developments. I pray that Haleigh is not being abused at the hands of some sick, perverted person. I am still worrying about the disappearance of Chad Reynolds, and wondering if he and Ron could have known each other in the recent past. I wonder why there has been no news of him. Also, can someone tell me, please, since I was off over the weekend, did we ever figure out what it was that was missing from the trailer that grandma said should have always been with Haleigh? Also, one thing I wondered about, if Misty doesn't have a car, and RC only has a pickup truck, how in the world did they transport those two children around? The truck will not hold two adults and two car seats. Maybe a new vehicle will be in the near future.

I am praying for answers as to where Haleigh is.

I haven't seen what he drives..or if Misty has a car. I do remember seeing a burgandy car parked infront of the house in one of the pictures..Not sure who it belongs to though. I thought it was his.

[sickntired]

TN says that they want to get married this week so when Haleigh comes home, she can be surprised that Daddy did what she wanted, marry Misty? So, do they know that Haleigh is coming home soon and this is why they must rush to get married? :thumbdown:

JMO

[kitty1182]

TN says that they want to get married this week so when Haleigh comes home, she can be surprised that Daddy did what she wanted, marry Misty? So, do they know that Haleigh is coming home soon and this is why they must rush to get married? :thumbdown:

JMO

One would think they would wait for her to come home so she could be in the wedding..I'm starting to think this has been a scam.....imo

[Januarybaby]

Snipped for space.

In the one video posted here, it says that the ring is a family heirloom, it belonged to TN mother, then TN and now Misty....so TN must have known about the engagement because she had to give Ron the ring.

While watching the UTube video I noticed that the pic of Ron brushing his teeth with Hailey and Ron Jr. he doesn't have the chest tattoo that says "Teresa" (I think that's what it said) that was on a link yesterday of him at the tattoo shop. I wonder when he got that tattoo and who it refers too. I don't think he would tattoo his mothers name on his chest. Especially now since he wants it covered up.

JMO

WWKLS

Thanks, I thought he bought the ring, but dont weddings cost a fair amount of money too? If I had to spend my last dime, it would go to finding my daughter. The tattoo thing is pretty weird too. I think they have just about figured Haleighs not coming back but they could at least have a grieving period. I just think this is just too weird.

[Motomom]

Good Morning Peeps

Someone clued me in to take another look at this UTube video to check out the comments.

Sure enough, great grandma as of yesterday posted where to send Ron the cash.

The video is still beautiful and stunning, you have to wonder if the family lent it out just for the purpose of collecting donations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo&feature=related


I hadn't seen that video. It's a nice video. Haleigh always looks so giddy, happy.. Her smile is always huge.

[Erin26GA]

One would think they would wait for her to come home so she could be in the wedding..I'm starting to think this has been a scam.....imo

That thought has crossed my mind. Maybe they saw the attention that the Anthony's were getting and thought.."hmm...Rent's due and Misty needs an engagement ring!" But surely...SURELY LE would know if that was the case.

[k_can004]

I had a certain amount of respect for Haleighs father for being up front and there for his daughter while she is missing up until now.

For one, Misty isnt barely old enough to drive and she certainly isnt old enough to drink, and while some pervert may have his daughter doing Lord knows what to her, he proposes to someone who is almost a child herself and has to have her mother sign papers for her to get married. This is sick. My sympathy for them is now flying out the window and I feel even more sorry for Haleigh.

Her mother says she told them to wait until she was 18 to get married but under the circumstances shes going to let them. WTF? I think moms just happy to marry her off and have him take care of her, why else would a mother let her daughter make a HUGE mistake like that at the age of 17 or there must be a different motive for it. Mom says Haleigh wanted it and even talked about it and was happy? At this point, I dont think so.

The whole thing screams inappropriate. A wedding is a time to celebrate and for everyone to be happy. I guess they will be married very soon if her mother still has to sign papers and Haleigh will have to take a backburner for that time.

Guess it will make for a wonderful marriage as her reminds her " how you let my daughter get stole you b-----."



WOW..... I just learned of this proposal wedding thing..... wow.... I totally agree with your post!!!....Please explain to me why in the he#$ these people think it is appropiate for these to to tie the knot...when this precous child is missing and going through (or went through) the most unfathomable things........ I am soooo disgusted and angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[SwineFeld]

Not only that but, why wouldn't they want to wait (until they find Haleigh) so that Haleigh could participate in something she supposedly wanted so badly?

TN says that they want to get married this week so when Haleigh comes home, she can be surprised that Daddy did what she wanted, marry Misty? So, do they know that Haleigh is coming home soon and this is why they must rush to get married? :thumbdown:

JMO

[Motomom]

I couldnt celebrate anyones birthdays ( except for the other children in the family) let alone a wedding. Even if she is presumed dead, the last thing I would have on my list is a wedding.

What I dont get, is why Haleighs father didnt put the money for that ring into finding his daughter. People are donating to rewards of finding Haleigh and he buys his 17 yr old gf a diamond. This whole thing is now totally off the wall. Seems like they did a nice act at first so not to look like the Anthonys but now true colors are showing.

As a father of a missing child, he should be putting Haleigh above and beyond all other things, not thinking of how to propose to his 17 yr old gf. Could anyone go out shopping for a ring when their daughter hasnt been seen in a month?
If Misty supposedly has the mentality of being mature enough to get married at 17, then she should have had the mentality of being mature enough to say not until your daughter is home safe or we at least know what happened to her and then go through the grieving process.

I still don't beleive ron had anything to do with Haleigh missing. His choices right now are not good at all IMO. We dont' know how much the ring cost, or if it was previously purchased. We dont' know if it's real. That isnt' the part that bothers me really.. it's the whole thing, proprosing at a time like this. Having dinner at chilis for the grandmothers birthday doesn't bother me either. They have to eat, and they have to think positive. It's not like they are going to have a big wedding, they most likely will get married IMO at the municipal building or something.. what's it a justice of the peace?? Something like that, I'm not familiar as I got married in the church. I believe the mayor of the town can marry them. I think there is defintely a reason they are doing this.. just not sure what yet..

and yes, misty misty misty.. rons bad choices in timeing and misty gloating and in the video she was a bit cocky about the rumors of her not being at the home. I see that's the teenager in her coming out. I'd be upset in her shoes too, but I wouldnt' handle it it on tv with cockiness.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I believe this marrage proprosal is off the wall. I don't understand it and I think it may have to do with them worrying about LE and their ages. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

One thing I want to ask is when is it ok for them to celebrate birthdays? when is it ok for them to go out to dinner? When should they start smiling again? IMO the search for Haleigh is at a standstill. It's ONLY been a MONTH..I dont' think they (everyone) looked long enough for her IMO. Tm went home early, the searches stopped early. I just don't understand it. But I still don't know when an appropriate time would be for anything I mentioned. Thankfully I've never had a missing child.. if this child is presumed dead when should they move on? Like I said, it's only been a month, so IMO it is much too soon, but they've been living this nightmare, I haven't.

Motomom, ITA with everything you have stated above, and I don't feel qualified to judge others as to when they are ALLOWED/PERMITTED to smile without being SUBJECT to JUDGMENT by others they don't even know. :unsure: I know people who have deep faith and can go through the motions while they are grieving. They might be smiling and/or even laughing, but I am reminded of TEARS OF A CLOWN and won't get crazy over this, just like I didn't get crazy when Crystal seemed more worried about being angry with LE last week and justifying where she was...it's her business and after the beating they've all taken sans Teresa, I'm not shocked by anything here.

One thing I do believe is that Haleigh has felt the love of her family and that they are praying every day just like I am for a MIRACLE!

Regarding Ron and Misty, I feel confident it's about the constant badgering between the night time cable shows and strangers on the web, but that is JMO. Misty and her living style are still subject to parental responsibility and approval as far as I am concerned. JMO.:cursing:

Praying for staying power for Haleigh! :wub:

[sickntired]

Thanks, I thought he bought the ring, but dont weddings cost a fair amount of money too? If I had to spend my last dime, it would go to finding my daughter. The tattoo thing is pretty weird too. I think they have just about figured Haleighs not coming back but they could at least have a grieving period. I just think this is just too weird.

I agree. Although these "antics" are keeping Haleigh's name out there...it isn't for the right reasons and I highly doubt that getting the media attention was their intent with this engagement.

I want to start a donation list:

1. Tattoos of your children
2. Shade Strip/Window Tinting/Lettering for Truck "GOD WILL DELIVER DADDY'S LIL GIRL Haleigh Home" (Do we know if this was a donation?)
3. Engagement celebration

If someone donated the Window Tinting/Lettering, great, but I don't think I'd say, hey take my truck and do the work. I'd be more like...I can't spare my truck right now, I have flyers to post/hand out.

JMO

WWKLS

[CANDYKISSES]

:mad: barf


IS THIS FOR REAL?...???

HAYLEIGH IS GONE!....MISSING!!!....and they do some classless display of love...???


O K

OMG, clearly they are not having a major production. Why are you so distressed by this? :confused:

[SwineFeld]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/10/news/news01.txt

"They're going to have a small wedding for the time being, and when Haleigh comes home, they're going to have a big wedding at the church," said Annette Sykes, who is Cummings' paternal grandmother.

"Haleigh's going to be the flower girl," Sykes added.


Uh huh. :unsure:

[TXbeaver]

Isn't it true that in many states wives cannot be compelled to testify against their husbands, and vice versa? Maybe this is the reason for the rush for Ron and Mistie to tie the knot.

[Motomom]

Motomom, ITA with everything you have stated above, and I don't feel qualified to judge others as to when they are ALLOWED/PERMITTED to smile without being SUBJECT to JUDGMENT by others they don't even know. :unsure: I know people who have deep faith and can go through the motions while they are grieving. They might be smiling and/or even laughing, but I am reminded of TEARS OF A CLOWN and won't get crazy over this, just like I didn't get crazy when Crystal seemed more worried about being angry with LE last week and justifying where she was...it's her business and after the beating they've all taken sans Teresa, I'm not shocked by anything here.

One thing I do believe is that Haleigh has felt the love of her family and that they are praying every day just like I am for a MIRACLE!

Regarding Ron and Misty, I feel confident it's about the constant badgering between the night time cable shows and strangers on the web, but that is JMO. Misty and her living style are still subject to parental responsibility and approval as far as I am concerned. JMO.:cursing:

Praying for staying power for Haleigh! :wub:


I think you are right. The constant badgering they have gotton. Maybe they thought this would make it better somehow? Not knowing what to do, can make someone do off the wall things IMO too. I believe Ron loves that little girl like nobodys business. It's obvious to me in their photos.. the way he looks at her. It's all there IMO, the love she has/had her whole life. I will never beleive he had a hand in her disappearance until LE arrests him and puts him on trial.. and even then.. Someone posted weeks ago about the Riley Fox case. If you get a chance, look it up. Granted, she was found hours later murdered and her father was the accused and it was a terrible tragedy.. He didn't kill his baby girl and IMO neither did Ron.

[Motomom]

I agree. Although these "antics" are keeping Haleigh's name out there...it isn't for the right reasons and I highly doubt that getting the media attention was their intent with this engagement.

I want to start a donation list:

1. Tattoos of your children
2. Shade Strip/Window Tinting/Lettering for Truck "GOD WILL DELIVER DADDY'S LIL GIRL Haleigh Home" (Do we know if this was a donation?)
3. Engagement celebration

If someone donated the Window Tinting/Lettering, great, but I don't think I'd say, hey take my truck and do the work. I'd be more like...I can't spare my truck right now, I have flyers to post/hand out.

JMO

WWKLS

The tattoo was done for free to ron wasn't it? The lettering for the truck probably took all of 5 minutes to put on and cost less than a hundred bucks IMO It's just graphics..nothing fancy IMO..

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree. Although these "antics" are keeping Haleigh's name out there...it isn't for the right reasons and I highly doubt that getting the media attention was their intent with this engagement.

I want to start a donation list:

1. Tattoos of your children
2. Shade Strip/Window Tinting/Lettering for Truck "GOD WILL DELIVER DADDY'S LIL GIRL Haleigh Home" (Do we know if this was a donation?)
3. Engagement celebration

If someone donated the Window Tinting/Lettering, great, but I don't think I'd say, hey take my truck and do the work. I'd be more like...I can't spare my truck right now, I have flyers to post/hand out.

JMO

WWKLS


What a wonderful idea, maybe you can start a list of the perfect "TO DO LIST" for parents and families of missing children.

So, let me get this straight....they are allowed to celebrate Junior's BD, but not TERESA's, even tho she has done nothing wrong here. No combining a small proposal at CHILI's for heaven sakes, that might be considered inappropriate. Is that the message to take from your "I'd be more like"? :unsure:

JMO

[sickntired]

I still don't beleive ron had anything to do with Haleigh missing. His choices right now are not good at all IMO. We dont' know how much the ring cost, or if it was previously purchased. We dont' know if it's real. That isnt' the part that bothers me really.. it's the whole thing, proprosing at a time like this. Having dinner at chilis for the grandmothers birthday doesn't bother me either. They have to eat, and they have to think positive. It's not like they are going to have a big wedding, they most likely will get married IMO at the municipal building or something.. what's it a justice of the peace?? Something like that, I'm not familiar as I got married in the church. I believe the mayor of the town can marry them. I think there is defintely a reason they are doing this.. just not sure what yet..

and yes, misty misty misty.. rons bad choices in timeing and misty gloating and in the video she was a bit cocky about the rumors of her not being at the home. I see that's the teenager in her coming out. I'd be upset in her shoes too, but I wouldnt' handle it it on tv with cockiness.

JMO

I wouldn't make a big deal of celebrating TN birthday at Chilli's....they probably did need a break from it all and it appears TN has been the most upset over all of this than anyone. IMO And I do think Chilli's is a big deal to them...it would be pretty special to me, but I'm not a fancy pants either.

[Motomom]

Isn't it true that in many states wives cannot be compelled to testify against their husbands, and vice versa? Maybe this is the reason for the rush for Ron and Mistie to tie the knot.

could be there thoughts.. BUT it was posted yesterday..that privilage isn't retroactive :)

[Erin26GA]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/10/news/news01.txt

"They're going to have a small wedding for the time being, and when Haleigh comes home, they're going to have a big wedding at the church," said Annette Sykes, who is Cummings' paternal grandmother.

"Haleigh's going to be the flower girl," Sykes added.


Uh huh. :unsure:

Terrible. "Haleigh's going to be the flower girl" Pshhh, they don't even KNOW if Haleigh is alive..she could be laying in the woods somewhere and they're off getting hitched. IF this were my child, I'd be turning those woods upside down looking for her. I wouldn't be out at Chili's having a bday celebration...or GETTING MARRIED.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think you are right. The constant badgering they have gotton. Maybe they thought this would make it better somehow? Not knowing what to do, can make someone do off the wall things IMO too. I believe Ron loves that little girl like nobodys business. It's obvious to me in their photos.. the way he looks at her. It's all there IMO, the love she has/had her whole life. I will never beleive he had a hand in her disappearance until LE arrests him and puts him on trial.. and even then.. Someone posted weeks ago about the Riley Fox case. If you get a chance, look it up. Granted, she was found hours later murdered and her father was the accused and it was a terrible tragedy.. He didn't kill his baby girl and IMO neither did Ron.

Off to do so now Motomom. We have to remember they are young and for all we know some of the more senior people in their lives may be behind this too FEARING Ron will be arrested, when in fact the original malfunction with Misty starts with parents who are committed to children until they are of age IMO. This is one of those cases everyone hates to come down, simply because it starts with parents not stepping up to their responsibilities and ends with what appears on face to be illegal sans a trial to challenge it IMO.

Going to research Riley Fox. :sad:

[sickntired]

What a wonderful idea, maybe you can start a list of the perfect "TO DO LIST" for parents and families of missing children.

So, let me get this straight....they are allowed to celebrate Junior's BD, but not TERESA's, even tho she has done nothing wrong here. No combining a small proposal at CHILI's for heaven sakes, that might be considered inappropriate. Is that the message to take from your "I'd be more like"? :unsure:

JMO

No it's a "TO DON'T LIST".

I have no problem with them celebrating TN birthday.

I think the rush into marriage is inappropriate at this time or anytime really, Misty is too young...I know, I married at 17 and it worked out so well for me. :laugh:

[Mairi II]

A giant red flag went up when I just read about the engagement. Gave me the chills, actually. The cynical side of me is thinking how spouses can't be compelled to testify against each other.

[Erin26GA]

No it's a "TO DON'T LIST".

I have no problem with them celebrating TN birthday.

I think the rush into marriage is inappropriate at this time or anytime really, Misty is too young...I know, I married at 17 and it worked out so well for me. :laugh:

LOL, it has worked out well for sooooo many people.

[i_pickle]

Isn't it true that in many states wives cannot be compelled to testify against their husbands, and vice versa? Maybe this is the reason for the rush for Ron and Mistie to tie the knot.

Haven't read or posted for a day or so and just catching up. Just read they were getting married and that was my first thought. Now they can't testify against each other.

Wow

[sickntired]

What do you wanna bet that Misty is pregnant?

I always thought Misty looked a little "ill" in the videos, but I thought it was her worrying about the abduction. Makes you wonder though...she could have had "morning sickness".

Although I don't agree with this engagement/marriage....it could be that Ron is clinging to anything he can right now to get him through this and of course Misty is going to be thrilled that the man of her dreams has proposed...she's young, real young.

JMO

WWKLS

[Themis]

omg, are these people weird or what? Always wanted her to be mommy? Doesn't Haleigh have a mother? I bet that makes Crystal feel pretty crappy. The only person my child would be calling mommy..is ME! 17 year old mommy..That's real nice. Obviously Ron or Misty never had a proper upbringing...if they had..Misty's parents wouldn't sign those papers for her to marry this MAN..and her a$$ would be in school getting an education instead of sittin around all day playing house. For TN to sit there and go right along with this crap, it makes me sick. The ONE person who in this whole ordeal I felt sorry for, and had respect for. No more. I just pray that Haleigh comes home.

JMO
Reference Erin's post 74 Bolding is mine

I agree with you regarding Teresa Neves, Ron Cummings' Mother.

As we learned later yesterday, it is Teresa's engagement ring that she gave Ronald to give to Misty ... or so she says.

IMO, this decision didn't just happen in a couple of hours time. There had to be some discussion about this before the birthday dinner on Sunday, 3-8, between Ron and Teresa.

It's been reported that Misty said she was taken by surprise at the proposal in Chilis. And yet, they are already stating a small wedding will take place within a few days with a much larger one planned for when Haleigh returns. That is such a load of carp!

And I'm sick and tired of all the blubbering on camera, too, from the Cummings clan.

[JMO]

[2Hope4]

I couldn't post last night when I read about the marriage license, etc. Just too upset, and sat crying for dear Haleigh instead. Where oh where is this child???? :crying:

[Motomom]

Off to do so now Motomom. We have to remember they are young and for all we know some of the more senior people in their lives may be behind this too FEARING Ron will be arrested, when in fact the original malfunction with Misty starts with parents who are committed to children until they are of age IMO. This is one of those cases everyone hates to come down, simply because it starts with parents not stepping up to their responsibilities and ends with what appears on face to be illegal sans a trial to challenge it IMO.

Going to research Riley Fox. :sad:

Candy.. in one of the first google links for Riley you should see where it is like a 20/20 show. You can watch it in parts. Let me know what you think.

It's just a mess this case IMO. I'm not sure whether Misty had something to do with this or not.. I'm confident Ron hasn't. I know people like ron and have yet to find one like him that doesnt' adore his child. A good friend of mine, with a past like Ron's has full custody of his daughter. I can only imagine if she went missing, what would be said about him.. and yet she is everything to him. So I see that in Ron too.

Both of them are young and have made bad choices, like so many others IMO. men/boys dont' ever mature as fast as girls and men at 25..just still seem like 19 yr olds sometimes. I don't know. I stand by my opinion of Ron though, he was a good father and the courts gave him custody for a reason. I think someone was watching the house, or knew their comings and goings. Someone knew misty would be alone with those kids IMO. I think the cinderblock may have been used to stand on to look into windows.. I think it was set up for whoever did this to take her out that side door. Not sure how they came in.. Not sure if Misty knows who did it, allowed it to happen (because I can see where a young girl like misty would be j-e-l-l-o over daddy's little girl). I think the cops would have broken her by now, she is no Casey Anthony and there are NO lawyers involved yet, as far as we know.

I wish that LE would come out with some information.. even if it is just who is cleared of this.

[sickntired]

Well I'm no fancy pants either.. but chilis wouldn't be a big deal to me. Kind of like applebees.. an affordable place to take a family out to dinner IMO.

And that's what they were doing, taking TN out to dinner for her birthday at an affordable family place for dinner. I wouldn't want to be proposed to at Chilli's or on my Mother-In-Law to be's birthday. But I do think this was a big deal to them (Ron & Misty).

[AmndaRcknwth]

The Riley Fox case had more to do with elections than anything, some overzealous ambitious creeps of IL politics.

I don't think Ron killed Haleigh, never did. You can see the total love in all those pics.

BUT---
This is beyond disgusting and inappropriate, this engagement celebrating and giddiness. I just want to puke.

[Owlface]

When I heard of the engagement my mind went to "Ron thinks marrying his victim would be a defense for a statutory rape charge." Him being charged for statutory rape is a lot more relevant than marital privilege. For one thing, it's pretty apparent that if he found out that Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance he would have no problem testifying against her, married or not. Heck, if that were the case I don't think Misty would be available for a trial.

And - was it Misty's mom in that video when Misty was showiing off her ring etc. That women was saying how she had been asked for 5 months to give permission and everybody was being so mean to Ron and Misty that she decided to let them go ahead and get married. Did she really think a marriage would settle the public down - the public is going to be twice as "mean."

While I'm at it - everything I read and see about Ron's reactions lead me to believe he had something to do with it, starting with what he had to say at the 911 call - threatening to kill people - to what I consider his false displays of grief. Another poster said it all when they posted something like extreme grief and extreme guilt look alike.

I believe something happened to Haleigh even before Ron went to work. There's something real hinky about the timeline - Ron was at work and had no clue anything was wrong until he pulled up at 3:27 am and saw Misty outside. I ain't buying it.

JMHO

[Motomom]

What do you wanna bet that Misty is pregnant?

I thought of that possibility yesterday. It is possible. We'll know soon enough is my bet.

[sickntired]

I think someone was watching the house, or knew their comings and goings. Someone knew misty would be alone with those kids IMO. I think the cinderblock may have been used to stand on to look into windows.. I think it was set up for whoever did this to take her out that side door. Not sure how they came in.. Not sure if Misty knows who did it, allowed it to happen (because I can see where a young girl like misty would be j-e-l-l-o over daddy's little girl). I think the cops would have broken her by now, she is no Casey Anthony and there are NO lawyers involved yet, as far as we know.

I wish that LE would come out with some information.. even if it is just who is cleared of this.

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Highlighting mine.

Wow, I never thought of that....very interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Januarybaby]

No it's a "TO DON'T LIST".

I have no problem with them celebrating TN birthday.

I think the rush into marriage is inappropriate at this time or anytime really, Misty is too young...I know, I married at 17 and it worked out so well for me. :laugh:

Im with you. I have no problem in celebrating birthdays. I do have a problem that he asked his 17 yr old gf to marry him when his daughter has been missing a month and from what was said, I hardly think it will be a long engagement.

I have no doubt Haleighs father loves her more than anything else and would give his life for her, but his priorities really suck.

I married at 16 years and years ago ( I was about to have my first baby at that time) and also divorced at 18 and it was a DISASTER and he is sitting in prison now. Misty is not mature enough to get married at this point and I think shes just thrilled at the idea of playing house and being a step mommy.

I also wonder how Haleighs REAL mother feels about this. If some 17 yr old went around bragging about how my daughter thought of her as mommy, Id highly be ummm...ticked off. Especially right now. Id also be ticked for her trying to pass herself as Haleighs real mother in the 911 call, however Id set it aside until Haleigh was found.

This just threw my meters into high gear. Something just isnt right about it. I also question what the heck is WRONG with Mistys mother to think this is a good idea?

[Owlface]

I thought of that possibility yesterday. It is possible. We'll know soon enough is my bet.


If Misty is pregnant then I doubly think the wedding is a defense to statutory rape. Neither Ron nor Misty would ever admit that they were intimate, but a biological match to Ron of a baby Misty's given birth to is unrefutable (irrefutable?) evidence.

[jammies]

Not only that but, why wouldn't they want to wait (until they find Haleigh) so that Haleigh could participate in something she supposedly wanted so badly?



Maybe they know she's not coming back....

[Themis]

Here's an updated article on LE: 3/10/09, 6-16 AM

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-06/story/putnam_sheriff_keeps_search_for_haleigh_going_stro ng

Since taking office Jan. 6, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said there have been only two days he has not been in his office. And neither of those were taken since he learned Feb. 10 that 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was missing. She still has not been found.

About 30 sheriffs from across Florida called Hardy (who has 20 years experience in LE) to offer assistance.

Overtime expenses for the Sheriff's Office stood at $65,000 at mid-week, according to agency records. The department has 251 employees, including officers and civilians. Other agencies pay their own overtime.

Detectives have been picking apart more than 2,400 for clues some of which they are going back over and over.

[JMO]

[spageddy]

Good morning all: when I first heard of the engagement, my first reaction was "Why the heck would they do such a thing!?" HOWEVER- I'm trying like crazy to keep an open mind and heart about these folks. Their ideas about what is and is not appropriate are very different from mine. So I think it's incredibly tasteless, not to mention kinda stupid that they should publicly announce (& celebrate) their engagement- but maybe:

Misti is tired of being referred to as "babysitter/girlfriend"

they feel they need to solidify their relationship to get through this .

They need a little joy in their lives.

They don't know what else to do at this point.

They are young. They are emotionally shattered. They are entirely out of their element. So I'm gonna try to cut them a little slack here.

[sickntired]

I'm looking at this from all angles....I don't think that Ron has harmed Haleigh, I don't think Misty has either. I do think that maybe there is something else that isn't being said by one of them.

I can see everyone is hurting, but I do think as others have posted...these kids could use some guidance in their lives. What is appropriate and what is not. And if they would have had this guidance prior to the conception of Haleigh, maybe they wouldn't be in this position. But then again, you can't make anyone do anything, especially teenagers.

[Januarybaby]

When I heard of the engagement my mind went to "Ron thinks marrying his victim would be a defense for a statutory rape charge." Him being charged for statutory rape is a lot more relevant than marital privilege. For one thing, it's pretty apparent that if he found out that Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance he would have no problem testifying against her, married or not. Heck, if that were the case I don't think Misty would be available for a trial.

And - was it Misty's mom in that video when Misty was showiing off her ring etc. That women was saying how she had been asked for 5 months to give permission and everybody was being so mean to Ron and Misty that she decided to let them go ahead and get married. Did she really think a marriage would settle the public down - the public is going to be twice as "mean."

While I'm at it - everything I read and see about Ron's reactions lead me to believe he had something to do with it, starting with what he had to say at the 911 call - threatening to kill people - to what I consider his false displays of grief. Another poster said it all when they posted something like extreme grief and extreme guilt look alike.

I believe something happened to Haleigh even before Ron went to work. There's something real hinky about the timeline - Ron was at work and had no clue anything was wrong until he pulled up at 3:27 am and saw Misty outside. I ain't buying it.

JMHO

He can marry her 10 times over and its not going to get him off the hook for statutory rape. It happened when he is 8 yrs older than her and it happened before they are married.
http://blog.laborlawtalk.com/2006/10/18/florida-statutory-rape-laws/

Mistys timeline is what gets me. I dont believe Ron had anything to do with it, but he knows something and I think its something Misty knows.

[Texas48]

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 Last Update 12:44 AM

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-and-Misty-Engaged/FY37XC5vAEylu_BRFPBLLg.cspx


Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, says it's what Haleigh always wanted. "When Haleigh was home, she always wanted Misty to be mommy," says Neves

When Haleigh was home (??)

Teresa Neves makes it sound like Haleigh is off at boarding school.

[JMO]Okey Dokey....The thing that comes to mind is that most all little 5 year old girls like to play house..dressup...pretend...Barbi/Ken getting married. Haleigh most likely enjoyed playing pretend since Misty was close to Haleigh's age group. I can just see it..Misty and Haleigh playing tea party...Now TN wants
wants ALL to believe this is what Haleigh ALWAYS wanted..????? Heck..all Haleigh saw was Misty was her playmate. I do not even want to know what Crystal is feeling about all this carp. :cursing:

[Motomom]

The Riley Fox case had more to do with elections than anything, some overzealous ambitious creeps of IL politics.

I don't think Ron killed Haleigh, never did. You can see the total love in all those pics.

BUT---
This is beyond disgusting and inappropriate, this engagement celebrating and giddiness. I just want to puke.

My reference to Riley fox is because I believe her father didn't call 911 for 40 minutes. He was looking for her.. never even thinking someone stole her from the couch she was sleeping, right next to her brother who was sleeping on the chair. You can listen to his 911 call too. Lots of mishaps, you're right.. he won a lawsuit for it too.

I'm with you..dont' think Ron did anything to Haleigh and see the love and adoration he had for her. It is inappropriate, this engagement.. I agree with that too. I'm just tryign to think of WHY they did this. I think they thought it may make things better?

[Elle]

When I follow a case, or hear about a missing/murdered/abused/death of a child, my thoughts/feelings/reactions are derived either from my own experiences,my deepest fears, or how I believe I would handle the situation. Many of my thoughts are conjecture, for I do not know how I would act in actuality. I do find, and it is something I am working on changing, that I become judgemental and critical of actions I percieve to go against my preconcieved ideas as to how someone would/should act in a certain situation.
My point of reference is the death of my daughter. She was a very small baby when she died, at that moment, I had thought I too had died and wondered how anyone could ever smile again. I was void, empty of life. Sunrises brought me to my knees for it was the beginning of another day without my daughter, nightfall was cold and lonely. Everything lost meaning. I felt no hope. Days turned into weeks, which turned into months...
Many of my actions I am sure, if scrutinized by thousands of people, may have appeared irrational, wrong, ill advised, stupid, desperate. I am sure I would have been judged as I have found myself judging.
I cannot imagine how one goes on with a child who is missing.

Statistically, the odds of Haleigh coming home alive are grim, but it has only been a month, and there is still hope, still a chance that she is okay. I would think that marriage would be the last thing on anyones mind, but then again I am not them, and I do not share the same background and points of references as these people. It is a headscratcher for sure. Maybe he is trying to escape reality, maybe he is trying to find hope in life, maybe he is thinking irrationally, maybe he is trying to dull/numb the pain, maybe he does not believe or has lost all hope of Haleigh coming home, maybe he thinks, well I could go on and on, but I have no idea. I am befuddled.

I have nothing that would have me believe that Haleigh is not loved, I have nothing that would have me believe that Ron or Crystal would ever harm a hair on her head.

Am I choosing to believe this, well, yes I am. Right now, that is pretty much all that can be done, and I choose to believe, unless facts present themselves otherwise.
I do hope that someone is helping them, all of them. They need someone to talk to...they are all in my thoughts and prayers.
:rose: Haleigh

[CelticDawn]

OMG, clearly they are not having a major production. Why are you so distressed by this? :confused:



Its not the marriage per se, candy....its the timing of it...

[Motomom]

If Misty is pregnant then I doubly think the wedding is a defense to statutory rape. Neither Ron nor Misty would ever admit that they were intimate, but a biological match to Ron of a baby Misty's given birth to is unrefutable (irrefutable?) evidence.

Yep.. could be. Not sure if she is pregnant, but I do think it may have had something to do with threats of statutory rape and what have you.

[Texas48]

Good Morning Peeps

Someone clued me in to take another look at this UTube video to check out the comments.

Sure enough, great grandma as of yesterday posted where to send Ron the cash.

The video is still beautiful and stunning, you have to wonder if the family lent it out just for the purpose of collecting donations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo&feature=relatedMorning Swarovski and ALL. I just don't have the words for this mess. I always had my suspicions about the pair but would have NEVER thought they would be so BOLD to do something like this. IMO they followed the Anthony case really close..A beautiful child..lots of photos/videos=$$$$$$$. And who paid the price?

[Januarybaby]

What if she is. She won't be the first 17 yr old to get pregnant. And there are more that are younger. I also believe Haleigh's mom was pregnant at that age. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.
jmo

17 yr olds get pregnant every day so its not a surprise when one does. I was guilty at 16. The father of mine was 9 months older than me, not 9 yrs.

However, there is a problem with it when the father of said baby is 8 yrs older than the mother and the mother is only 17.

[Motomom]

Yeah, well, let's hope the first clue is that she stops smoking like a chimney! That girl has a cigarette in her face every time I see her on tv. Don't get me wrong, I smoke (not for much longer, tho, taxes just went up again) but when when the public is so focused on you, one would think she would re-evaluate her image a little.

Smoker here too.. 7.08 I paid yesterday :cursing: she wasnt' smoking outside of the courthouse was she?

[Januarybaby]

Misty is close to Haleighs age group??? Yea, ok.

What does Crystal have to do with it?? She was 17 when she was pregnant, IIRC, and she had her 3rd child, and still not married. So whats the point??
jmo

If you think about it, Misty was only 12 when Haleigh was born. Its not the same age group per se, but it wasnt that long ago that Misty was playing with barbies herself.

[Motomom]

What if she is. She won't be the first 17 yr old to get pregnant. And there are more that are younger. I also believe Haleigh's mom was pregnant at that age. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.jmo

Oh you know they will doneit :)

14 yr old girls is pregnant in town here.

I think she may be pregnant.. or maybe not. There is a reason for this marriage IMO though. and if she is pregnant, I'd rather they marry to be honest..JMO

[VC2]

When I heard of the engagement my mind went to "Ron thinks marrying his victim would be a defense for a statutory rape charge." Him being charged for statutory rape is a lot more relevant than marital privilege. For one thing, it's pretty apparent that if he found out that Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance he would have no problem testifying against her, married or not. Heck, if that were the case I don't think Misty would be available for a trial.

And - was it Misty's mom in that video when Misty was showiing off her ring etc. That women was saying how she had been asked for 5 months to give permission and everybody was being so mean to Ron and Misty that she decided to let them go ahead and get married. Did she really think a marriage would settle the public down - the public is going to be twice as "mean."

While I'm at it - everything I read and see about Ron's reactions lead me to believe he had something to do with it, starting with what he had to say at the 911 call - threatening to kill people - to what I consider his false displays of grief. Another poster said it all when they posted something like extreme grief and extreme guilt look alike.

I believe something happened to Haleigh even before Ron went to work. There's something real hinky about the timeline - Ron was at work and had no clue anything was wrong until he pulled up at 3:27 am and saw Misty outside. I ain't buying it.

JMHO

i dont think he had a thing to do with it, plus she was seen outside playing by the neighbor after he went to work.

he has made a bad judgement call in this engagement but it sure doesn't mean he isn't hurting for haleigh. Just young..and stupid.

imo

[Texas48]

Good morning, all. Another day and still no Haleigh. I am sick at heart over this and the recent proposal/wedding developments. I pray that Haleigh is not being abused at the hands of some sick, perverted person. I am still worrying about the disappearance of Chad Reynolds, and wondering if he and Ron could have known each other in the recent past. I wonder why there has been no news of him. Also, can someone tell me, please, since I was off over the weekend, did we ever figure out what it was that was missing from the trailer that grandma said should have always been with Haleigh? Also, one thing I wondered about, if Misty doesn't have a car, and RC only has a pickup truck, how in the world did they transport those two children around? The truck will not hold two adults and two car seats. Maybe a new vehicle will be in the near future.

I am praying for answers as to where Haleigh is.Sad thing is that NOW they only need 1 car seat.

[TealMermaid]

He can marry her 10 times over and its not going to get him off the hook for statutory rape. It happened when he is 8 yrs older than her and it happened before they are married.
http://blog.laborlawtalk.com/2006/10/18/florida-statutory-rape-laws/

Mistys timeline is what gets me. I dont believe Ron had anything to do with it, but he knows something and I think its something Misty knows.

Yes, and Amber was also under age when he got her pregnant. UGH!!! Why can't this guy make it with "women"?barf

[Januarybaby]

Oh you know they will doneit :)

14 yr old girls is pregnant in town here.

I think she may be pregnant.. or maybe not. There is a reason for this marriage IMO though. and if she is pregnant, I'd rather they marry to be honest..JMO

I love reading ur posts Motomom but have to disagree about them getting married with her pregnant or not. If they marry, I will bet they are divorced not long after especially giving the situation right now. It would probably even cause more problems.
Misty is not mature enough to handle that kind of situation. She has shown us that.

[i_pickle]

i dont think he had a thing to do with it, plus she was seen outside playing by the neighbor after he went to work.

he has made a bad judgement call in this engagement but it sure doesn't mean he isn't hurting for haleigh. Just young..and stupid.

imoActually, it was a brilliant move, imo. Now they can't testify against each other.

[playnice]

Yep.. could be. Not sure if she is pregnant, but I do think it may have had something to do with threats of statutory rape and what have you.

I agree with the threats of statutory rapy. Im not sure pregnant would make a difference.
He has 2 with Crystal and 1 with Amber (maybe) so Misti getting pregnant probably wouldnt be a factor.

[spageddy]

Morning Swarovski and ALL. I just don't have the words for this mess. I always had my suspicions about the pair but would have NEVER thought they would be so BOLD to do something like this. IMO they followed the Anthony case really close..A beautiful child..lots of photos/videos=$$$$$$$. And who paid the price?

Ya know what Texas- when I first heard of this case, I thought they were Anthony wannabes. But for the life of me I can't figure out why. Casey is sitting in jail (eating doritos, yeah, but still in jail) and the rest of them Anthony's- well who would want to be THEM?
But one never knows- do one?
I just DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE that any living soul would do something so horrible for $$$ and media. It just doesn'r register in my little brain. I also don't think Ron & Mysti & the rest of the family could really pull it off. JMO

[i_pickle]

Yes, and Amber was also under age when he got her pregnant. UGH!!! Why can't this guy make it with "women"?barfYoung, vulnerable girls are easier to control.

[Motomom]

Okey Dokey....The thing that comes to mind is that most all little 5 year old girls like to play house..dressup...pretend...Barbi/Ken getting married. Haleigh most likely enjoyed playing pretend since Misty was close to Haleigh's age group. I can just see it..Misty and Haleigh playing tea party...Now TN wants
wants ALL to believe this is what Haleigh ALWAYS wanted..????? Heck..all Haleigh saw was Misty was her playmate. I do not even want to know what Crystal is feeling about all this carp. :cursing:

I don't think we know what Haleigh saw. I dont' care what Crystal thinks to be honest. Crystal herself said how the kids loved misti IIRC. She took care of them while Ron was at work. She was the 'acting" mother IMO..

Now do I think Haleigh wanted them to get "married".. I doubt it.. I doubt marriage was on a 5yr olds mind.

[Texas48]

I would not send these people one penny...:mad:
I agree Kitty..I don't even have many words in me after the "wedding anouncement." I wish people would send $$$$$to Crystal for attorney to get custody of JR. jmo

[DenVIP]

well folks it time to address this for what it is.....the cast of Dumb and Dumber.....no more cutting them slack.....for the most part they both use selective memory when dealing with LE, as for momma TN, I still feel some for her but she needs to stop the poor Ronnie thing.....he's a big boy who has brought this on his self

Hoping today is the day Haleigh comes home because really thats what we all want

[kitty1182]

I agree Kitty..I don't even have many words in me after the "wedding anouncement." I wish people would send $$$$$to Crystal for attorney to get custody of JR. jmo


I would probally donate to that one!!!

[Motomom]

Ronald Camp On The Move

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-Cummings-Camp-Moves/AuJSAZ-I-Ei2F7GFpShflg.cspx

I think they should all move back to their homes and get premission to have tent up in shopping centers, or somewhere, to have all information available for Haleigh to others.

[Texas48]

One would think they would wait for her to come home so she could be in the wedding..I'm starting to think this has been a scam.....imoLike I said before..IMO they followed the Anthony case closely.

[kitty1182]

OH Noooo. I hope they don't think they'll be getting wedding gifts. Or have a greenback shower! I am TRying to cut them some slack fgs- but these suspicions keep popping up in my mind when I ask myself "Why would they do that!?"

Same here:wink:

[Themis]

Okey Dokey....The thing that comes to mind is that most all little 5 year old girls like to play house..dressup...pretend...Barbi/Ken getting married. Haleigh most likely enjoyed playing pretend since Misty was close to Haleigh's age group. I can just see it..Misty and Haleigh playing tea party...Now TN wants
wants ALL to believe this is what Haleigh ALWAYS wanted..????? Heck..all Haleigh saw was Misty was her playmate. I do not even want to know what Crystal is feeling about all this carp. :cursing:
Reference Texas48's post 130

Funny you should mention Misty and Haleigh 'playing tea party.'

Here's what Misty said in one news article just yesterday:

Misty Croslin said if Haleigh were home, she would be thrilled about the engagement and that the girl would insist on having a new ring of her own.

"If I have something, she wants it. If we buy something for me, we buy something for her. Our shoes -- me and Haleigh had the same pair of shoes. Me and her pretty much tried to do everything together," Misty Croslin said.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090309/BREAKINGNEWS/90309053/1086/rss07

barf

[Motomom]

I love reading ur posts Motomom but have to disagree about them getting married with her pregnant or not. If they marry, I will bet they are divorced not long after especially giving the situation right now. It would probably even cause more problems.
Misty is not mature enough to handle that kind of situation. She has shown us that.

It's always ok to disagree with me :) My mind is constantly changing. I think it's better for them to be married if she is pregnant because..well I just think it would be better. You could be right and probably are. I dont' see it as a lifelong commitment either. For this post, I think they just didnt' know what else to do..so did this. Bad move, bad decision.

[Motomom]

Actually, it was a brilliant move, imo. Now they can't testify against each other.

you were here yesterday weren't you. I believe a few links were posted.. basically they can't invoke that spousal privilege. also.. I do not believe for a second that if Ron found out that Misty had a part in this.. I don't think he'd have a problem testifying against her at all..JMO

[IlliniFan]

Actually, it was a brilliant move, imo. Now they can't testify against each other.


Florida Statute of 2008
'90.504 Husband-wife privilege.
(1) A spouse has a privilege during and after the marital relationship to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, communications which were intended to be made in confidence between the spouses while they were husband and wife.
(2) The privilege may be claimed by either spouse or by the guardian or conservator of a spouse. The authority of a spouse, or guardian or conservator of a spouse, to claim the privilege is presumed in the absence of contrary evidence.
(3) There is no privilege under this section:
(a) In a proceeding brought by or on behalf of one spouse against the other spouse.
(b) In a criminal proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime committed at any time against the person or property of the other spouse, or the person or property of a child of either.
(c) In a criminal proceeding in which the communication is offered in evidence by a defendant-spouse who is one of the spouses between whom the communication was made.'

Privilege doesn't apply if one spouse is charged w crime against a child of either husband or wife.

courtesy of another poster on another Web Site .. I don't have the link so just putting jmoo

Originally posted by oddesey....

Plus if they had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, it would have happened before they were married...

[sickntired]

When I follow a case, or hear about a missing/murdered/abused/death of a child, my thoughts/feelings/reactions are derived either from my own experiences,my deepest fears, or how I believe I would handle the situation. Many of my thoughts are conjecture, for I do not know how I would act in actuality. I do find, and it is something I am working on changing, that I become judgemental and critical of actions I percieve to go against my preconcieved ideas as to how someone would/should act in a certain situation.
My point of reference is the death of my daughter. She was a very small baby when she died, at that moment, I had thought I too had died and wondered how anyone could ever smile again. I was void, empty of life. Sunrises brought me to my knees for it was the beginning of another day without my daughter, nightfall was cold and lonely. Everything lost meaning. I felt no hope. Days turned into weeks, which turned into months...
Many of my actions I am sure, if scrutinized by thousands of people, may have appeared irrational, wrong, ill advised, stupid, desperate. I am sure I would have been judged as I have found myself judging.
I cannot imagine how one goes on with a child who is missing.

Statistically, the odds of Haleigh coming home alive are grim, but it has only been a month, and there is still hope, still a chance that she is okay. I would think that marriage would be the last thing on anyones mind, but then again I am not them, and I do not share the same background and points of references as these people. It is a headscratcher for sure. Maybe he is trying to escape reality, maybe he is trying to find hope in life, maybe he is thinking irrationally, maybe he is trying to dull/numb the pain, maybe he does not believe or has lost all hope of Haleigh coming home, maybe he thinks, well I could go on and on, but I have no idea. I am befuddled.

I have nothing that would have me believe that Haleigh is not loved, I have nothing that would have me believe that Ron or Crystal would ever harm a hair on her head.

Am I choosing to believe this, well, yes I am. Right now, that is pretty much all that can be done, and I choose to believe, unless facts present themselves otherwise.
I do hope that someone is helping them, all of them. They need someone to talk to...they are all in my thoughts and prayers.
:rose: Haleigh

I'm so sorry for your loss Elle. :rose: For you and your daughter.

[CC I See]

The engagement makes it looks like Misty is getting an award for letting his daughter get abducted or murdered, IMO..... well it WAS rumored that when she posted a comment on Amber's MySpace that she was going to get her man. Looks like she did and he now has a missing daughter, one who had seious health issues and needs.

[Texas48]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/10/news/news01.txt

"They're going to have a small wedding for the time being, and when Haleigh comes home, they're going to have a big wedding at the church," said Annette Sykes, who is Cummings' paternal grandmother.

"Haleigh's going to be the flower girl," Sykes added.


Uh huh. :unsure:OH DEAR ME...I wounder HOW LONG this wedding has been in the making? Still shaking my head just doing it faster.

[KatyDid]

Okey Dokey....The thing that comes to mind is that most all little 5 year old girls like to play house..dressup...pretend...Barbi/Ken getting married. Haleigh most likely enjoyed playing pretend since Misty was close to Haleigh's age group. I can just see it..Misty and Haleigh playing tea party...Now TN wants
wants ALL to believe this is what Haleigh ALWAYS wanted..????? Heck..all Haleigh saw was Misty was her playmate. I do not even want to know what Crystal is feeling about all this carp. :cursing:

Someone on the board posted yesterday that this would be the next thing we heard from the Cummings camp...this is what Haleigh always wanted.

How long had RC and Misty been together, 5 months? It's not like Haleigh had a lot of time to form mommy feelings for Misty. IMO

[CC I See]

you were here yesterday weren't you. I believe a few links were posted.. basically they can't invoke that spousal privilege. also.. I do not believe for a second that if Ron found out that Misty had a part in this.. I don't think he'd have a problem testifying against her at all..JMO..... I thought that at first but don't now. I don't think he would turn her in or testify against her because he needs her. She is still there and Haleigh isn't there anymore. It reminds me of the Anthony case where they continue to support their daughter becasue they don't want to lose her as well.

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Friends,
Sorry I'm late, this time change has me all messed up for some reason, I kinda liked it when we lived in Tucson, they don't change the time there.

I am just numb to this engagement/marriage thing, wow, what are they thinking? I'm still stuck in the "Misty knows more" theory, but she's just looking a tad too happy in the video from yesterday. like maybe this will make it all better?

I dunno, still digesting maybe, what a shocker tho :scared:

Beachpatty

[CC I See]

Someone on the board posted yesterday that this would be the next thing we heard from the Cummings camp...this is what Haleigh always wanted.

How long had RC and Misty been together, 5 months? It's not like Haleigh had a lot of time to form mommy feelings for Misty. IMO...... and where was her Mommy Misty when she was being snatched from her bed? Again we only have these people's word about how Haleigh felt, she might have hated Misty for all we know.... and maybe that is why she is now missing.

[KatyDid]

OH DEAR ME...I wounder HOW LONG this wedding has been in the making? Still shaking my head just doing it faster.

I read somewhere it had been planned for over a month. That still makes me wonder how anyone can form that kind of relationship in less than 5 months. And another thing, if that is true about being planned for over a month, why wouldn't RC refer to Misty as his fiance` instead of the other vile name he called her.

JMO

[Themis]

OH DEAR ME...I wounder HOW LONG this wedding has been in the making? Still shaking my head just doing it faster.
Reference Texas48's post 167

Well, you know it didn't all happen in a couple of hours.

While they (Ron, Neves, Sykes) have been blubbering in front of the cameras at every opportunity they been talking about passing on the heirloom engagement ring; convincing Misty's parents to sign consent forms; when and where to propose; discussing plans for not one but two wedding ceremonies.

[JMO]

[Themis]

...... and where was her Mommy Misty when she was being snatched from her bed? Again we only have these people's word about how Haleigh felt, she might have hated Misty for all we know.... and maybe that is why she is now missing.
Reference Post 173 -- bolding is mine

Exactly! And now I suspect and cast doubt on everything they have ever said.

[JMO]

[CelticDawn]

I would probally donate to that one!!!



I wont be donating anything to any of them UNTIL this is sorted otu because I believe that this is NO stranger abduction....I may be wrong but this just lends itself to being a scam.....I REALLY HOPE THAT I AM WRONG in a way.....but If I am wrong, then it lessens Hayleighs chances of still being alive....<If it was a perv or a revenge snatching>

If it IS a scam....then whether she is returned or not ALL WILL NOT BE WELL because what person in their right mind would do such a thing and use an innocent child.

[Texas48]

What do you wanna bet that Misty is pregnant? Good morning ocean...It seems all I can think of this am is how sad I am there is another CHILD LOST. I still pray Haleigh will be found safe but must tell you in my heart I don't believe she is alive. I cannot see that Ron and Misty are getting married if it is be ause she is pg. Afterall..look at the children Ron has fathered w/no marriage license. IMO there is something else to this decesion and that "something else" smells.

[VC2]

Actually, it was a brilliant move, imo. Now they can't testify against each other.

Not true, as posted yesterday, its not retroactive and also florida does not give spousal immunity if it has to do with a child in the parents care.

[Texas48]

Reference Erin's post 74 Bolding is mine

I agree with you regarding Teresa Neves, Ron Cummings' Mother.

As we learned later yesterday, it is Teresa's engagement ring that she gave Ronald to give to Misty ... or so she says.

IMO, this decision didn't just happen in a couple of hours time. There had to be some discussion about this before the birthday dinner on Sunday, 3-8, between Ron and Teresa.

It's been reported that Misty said she was taken by surprise at the proposal in Chilis. And yet, they are already stating a small wedding will take place within a few days with a much larger one planned for when Haleigh returns. That is such a load of carp!

And I'm sick and tired of all the blubbering on camera, too, from the Cummings clan.

[JMO]
ITA especially with your last sentence. :thumbsup:for your post,

[Motomom]

..... I thought that at first but don't now. I don't think he would turn her in or testify against her because he needs her. She is still there and Haleigh isn't there anymore. It reminds me of the Anthony case where they continue to support their daughter becasue they don't want to lose her as well.

The difference I see in the A's support is that Casey is their child. So there's a big difference there IMO. He may have moved on from Misty a few months down the road, with Haleigh there. I can't see him needing her to the point of not getting justice for his daughter. But you may be right. Or he knows that she did nothing wrong. I keep asking this and either I'm not here for a response or not getting it LOL.. Does anyone know what misti was wearing when LE got there? I'd like to know what her demeaner was too.. when LE got there.

[Texas48]

When I heard of the engagement my mind went to "Ron thinks marrying his victim would be a defense for a statutory rape charge." Him being charged for statutory rape is a lot more relevant than marital privilege. For one thing, it's pretty apparent that if he found out that Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance he would have no problem testifying against her, married or not. Heck, if that were the case I don't think Misty would be available for a trial.

And - was it Misty's mom in that video when Misty was showiing off her ring etc. That women was saying how she had been asked for 5 months to give permission and everybody was being so mean to Ron and Misty that she decided to let them go ahead and get married. Did she really think a marriage would settle the public down - the public is going to be twice as "mean."

While I'm at it - everything I read and see about Ron's reactions lead me to believe he had something to do with it, starting with what he had to say at the 911 call - threatening to kill people - to what I consider his false displays of grief. Another poster said it all when they posted something like extreme grief and extreme guilt look alike.

I believe something happened to Haleigh even before Ron went to work. There's something real hinky about the timeline - Ron was at work and had no clue anything was wrong until he pulled up at 3:27 am and saw Misty outside. I ain't buying it.

JMHOI am going to JUMP right out there and say ITA with your opinions and your entire post. Ron/Misty's version of HOW Haleigh "went missing" just doesn't ring true...As always..JMO

[CC I See]

This all is looking very familiar.....don't you see? Casey Anthony went out and partied after Caylee's death she made plans to start a new life, she celebrated her new found freedom, she got a tattoo. Her story kept changing and she was reluctant to help LE find Caylee. She had motive to rid herself of Caylee.

With the missing Haleigh, we see a family that after a brief period of time has moved on with celebrating a birthday and now an engagement.They have bought a new home, Ron got a new tattoo. Misty's story keeps changing and is reluctant to help LE find Haleigh. Misty had motive to rid herself of Haleigh because she was in the way.

From the moment Caylee Anthony went missing I wrote on this board that her mother was responsible and got blasted for it. Some of the posters could not believe that a loving mother, as she appeared to be could kill her daughter..... I am now saying that I think that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. I find that her motive is even stronger than Casey's was.... but with no evidence as of yet, this is only an opinion that I am strongly voicing.

[Mimi428]

Reference Texas48's post 167

Well, you know it didn't all happen in a couple of hours.

While they (Ron, Neves, Sykes) have been blubbering in front of the cameras at every opportunity they been talking about passing on the heirloom engagement ring; convincing Misty's parents to sign consent forms; when and where to propose; discussing plans for not one but two wedding ceremonies.

[JMO]


Good points, all of them.

It seems neither Ron nor Misty have the time nor the motivation to do something productive like pass out flyers, but they do have the time to hash out the details of getting married. Don't have the time for consulting with victim advocates, but do have the time for deciding what sort of wedding to have (small now, bigger later). Can't stand to be in front of the cameras when it is about Haleigh's story, can't put together a coherent statement, but golly gee whiz, let me grin like the possum eating crap & babble on & on about the melodrama of the bridegroom-to-be dropping down on one knee if front of the breathless crowd.

No need to take any time to think about the possibility that Haleigh might return & wonder at some later date why dad & Misty wasted no time whatsoever getting on with whatever it was they wanted to do.

Ya know, I think I would about a million questions about my family's priorities if I should be abducted & find out that on the one-month anniversary of the abduction that my home had been cleared out & abandoned & my supposedly loving parent had been spending time & energy on engagement & wedding.

Next up on the list of things to do - pick out wedding clothes, think about what kind of cake, consider flowers, who to invite, where to honeymoon. No need to think anymore about that troublesome little detail of a 5-year old still missing - hey, isn't that what the police are for?

Some of these folks are beyond revolting.

JMO

[TealMermaid]

Young, vulnerable girls are easier to control.

EXACTLY! That's why I have such a problem with Ron preying on teen-age girls!:scared:

[Motomom]

Daddy's Little Girl vidio is so heart breaking, so sad. Haleigh very much looks to me to be very much Daddy's Little Girl. Beautiful.
And for some to say it was made to collect money is sad. Someone asked where to send money and it was answered. Nothing more to it.
jmo

It was a nice video wasn't it. I hope they put more up. I'd like to see more of Haleigh's life. She sure was a happy girl. I mentioned her smile before.. Her teeth are always apart, like every smile has a giggle behind it. And butterbean is a cutie too. I bet they had lots of fun together and he's missing her.

[Texas48]

Misty is close to Haleighs age group??? Yea, ok.

What does Crystal have to do with it?? She was 17 when she was pregnant, IIRC, and she had her 3rd child, and still not married. So whats the point??
jmoMY POINT in reference to Crystal was the statement by Misty/TN about Haleigh calling Misty "mommie".

[CC I See]

The difference I see in the A's support is that Casey is their child. So there's a big difference there IMO. He may have moved on from Misty a few months down the road, with Haleigh there. I can't see him needing her to the point of not getting justice for his daughter. But you may be right. Or he knows that she did nothing wrong. I keep asking this and either I'm not here for a response or not getting it LOL.. Does anyone know what misti was wearing when LE got there? I'd like to know what her demeaner was too.. when LE got there.
I agree that the bond is stronger for the Anthonys with Casey being their daughter, but for some strange reason, the Ron and Misty connection is very puzzling. If Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh disappearance and Ron found out that Misty was responsible, I think that he would find someway to settle the score. Like I said I don't think that he would turn her in but take care of her himself. That is why I made the statement that Misty should watch her back and sleep at night with one eye open.

[KatyDid]

Good points, all of them.

It seems neither Ron nor Misty have the time nor the motivation to do something productive like pass out flyers, but they do have the time to hash out the details of getting married. Don't have the time for consulting with victim advocates, but do have the time for deciding what sort of wedding to have (small now, bigger later). Can't stand to be in front of the cameras when it is about Haleigh's story, can't put together a coherent statement, but golly gee whiz, let me grin like the possum eating crap & babble on & on about the melodrama of the bridegroom-to-be dropping down on one knee if front of the breathless crowd.

No need to take any time to think about the possibility that Haleigh might return & wonder at some later date why dad & Misty wasted no time whatsoever getting on with whatever it was they wanted to do.

Ya know, I think I would about a million questions about my family's priorities if I should be abducted & find out that on the one-month anniversary of the abduction that my home had been cleared out & abandoned & my supposedly loving parent had been spending time & energy on engagement & wedding.

Next up on the list of things to do - pick out wedding clothes, think about what kind of cake, consider flowers, who to invite, where to honeymoon. No need to think anymore about that troublesome little detail of a 5-year old still missing - hey, isn't that what the police are for?

Some of these folks are beyond revolting.

JMO

:thumbsup: I agree.

[Texas48]

Same here:wink:Already read where 1 poster was trying to get an address so they could send wedding gift....Go figure.

[KatyDid]

I agree that the bond is stronger for the Anthonys with Casey being their daughter, but for some strange reason, the Ron and Misty connection is very puzzling. If Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh disappearance and Ron found out that Misty was responsible, I think that he would find someway to settle the score. Like I said I don't think that he would turn her in but take care of her himself. That is why I made the statement that Misty should watch her back and sleep at night with one eye open.

Well, he did say he would kill the person who did this. I think he would.

[Motomom]

Once Upon A Time

I believe this is a video from Crystal's collection

Note' the nebuliazer at the end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAK2VuGnCNg&feature=channel

No, from Ron's collection, or the grandmothers IMO. I didn't see the nebulizer, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

I'm glad they are putting these videos out there. It's nice to see that they don't appear to be selling them. It reconfirms my opinion of Ron as well.

I would like to see some of Crystal and the kids too. Do you hae any of them Swar? I'd like to know that Haleigh was just as happy with Crystal as she was with Ron.

[Texas48]

Reference Texas48's post 130

Funny you should mention Misty and Haleigh 'playing tea party.'

Here's what Misty said in one news article just yesterday:

Misty Croslin said if Haleigh were home, she would be thrilled about the engagement and that the girl would insist on having a new ring of her own.

"If I have something, she wants it. If we buy something for me, we buy something for her. Our shoes -- me and Haleigh had the same pair of shoes. Me and her pretty much tried to do everything together," Misty Croslin said.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090309/BREAKINGNEWS/90309053/1086/rss07

barf
There ya go....

[CC I See]

Reference Texas48's post 130

Funny you should mention Misty and Haleigh 'playing tea party.'

Here's what Misty said in one news article just yesterday:

Misty Croslin said if Haleigh were home, she would be thrilled about the engagement and that the girl would insist on having a new ring of her own.

"If I have something, she wants it. If we buy something for me, we buy something for her. Our shoes -- me and Haleigh had the same pair of shoes. Me and her pretty much tried to do everything together," Misty Croslin said.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090309/BREAKINGNEWS/90309053/1086/rss07

barf......ah, motive. Sounds like kids fighting doesn't it. So now, Misty doesn't have to share any more with Haleigh, well that problem got solved.

[Texas48]

I read somewhere it had been planned for over a month. That still makes me wonder how anyone can form that kind of relationship in less than 5 months. And another thing, if that is true about being planned for over a month, why wouldn't RC refer to Misty as his fiance` instead of the other vile name he called her.

JMOAnd little Haleigh has been missing a month and they say they were planning this wedding for over a month....????

[Motomom]

I agree that the bond is stronger for the Anthonys with Casey being their daughter, but for some strange reason, the Ron and Misty connection is very puzzling. If Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh disappearance and Ron found out that Misty was responsible, I think that he would find someway to settle the score. Like I said I don't think that he would turn her in but take care of her himself. That is why I made the statement that Misty should watch her back and sleep at night with one eye open.

Ohhh.. well keep your friends close and your enemies closer..

[texski]

i am now leaving this message board for good. the nasty posters make me ill. you take a made up theory of your own and make the most vile accusations with no proof or knowledge of your own. you peoples prejudices are so obvious, what is the matter with you all??? instead of wondering about the cummings family crying on camera, i think you should start wondering about your own reaction to their pain. goodby

[Texas48]

Reference Texas48's post 167

Well, you know it didn't all happen in a couple of hours.

While they (Ron, Neves, Sykes) have been blubbering in front of the cameras at every opportunity they been talking about passing on the heirloom engagement ring; convincing Misty's parents to sign consent forms; when and where to propose; discussing plans for not one but two wedding ceremonies.

[JMO]Your correct..they have been pretty busy this past month. imo

[Elle]

No, from Ron's collection, or the grandmothers IMO. I didn't see the nebulizer, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

I'm glad they are putting these videos out there. It's nice to see that they don't appear to be selling them. It reconfirms my opinion of Ron as well.

I would like to see some of Crystal and the kids too. Do you hae any of them Swar? I'd like to know that Haleigh was just as happy with Crystal as she was with Ron.

The videos are beautiful.

I too would love to see some with Crystal, though if she were the one behind the camera, there will not be too many of her. Hopefully someone else took some pictures of Crystal with Haleigh, for I would bet they too would show a happy Haleigh.

I think both of her parents love her very much. Haleigh oozes love and happiness.

imo

[Texas48]

So much happiness in her face all the time, she deserves to grow up and be a happy woman.My reaction to this is the same as horse...Its just too hard to watch.

[Motomom]

This will bring you to your knees.

Where did it go wrong?

What happened to this little doll?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=channel

Thanks again Swar.. Great video. That's the nebulizer I take it? Wonder if that is what was missing???? I'd really like to know that. I love the picture of her and Ron sitting on the couch , with her hair back and curly.

[Motomom]

That video was taken by Crystal when they still were living together. For goodness sake, give the woman some credit.

moo

I see where the mood is going. Isn't it posted by Ron's Grandmother? There are NO pictures of Crystal and Haleigh. I posted I would like to see them. I would. He has had custody since junior was 6 months correct?

My post had NOTHING to do with giving Crystal credit or not. I have not mentioned Crystal in a negative way today at all..

[observe]

Hello,:thumbsup: this is my first post. I have been lurking since the Scott Peterson case.

The reason I had to finally register and post is because for once i think some of you are being really hard on Ron and Misty. for what its worth, i think they are trying to hold it together and no matter what they do, it will be wrong. MOO

[FoxySly]

Good morning. Well, to be honest, I can't see a pervert keeping her for a month at her age, maybe if she were older, but don't they typically abuse children this age for a very short period of time and then kill them? I can't imagine where she would be is she isn't dead. Surely these people have not done this for a scam.......I just can't get my head around that one. But about Misty being pg, maybe the simple fact that Ron DOES have three other children out of wedlock already is the reason they decided to make this one legit.

I don't know, I'm turning into a snow globe, too (shaking head), I usually get a good gut feeling in cases like this how it's all going to play out, but I am truly baffled by this one.

Link please to "maybe the simple fact that Ron DOES have three other children out of wedlock already".

I only know of TWO that had paternity test.

TIA
Sly

~

[KatyDid]

"They've been trying to get me to do it for like, 5 months...and I told them I was like y'all need to wait til your 18 you know, but now that everything is going down and everyone is trashing them, I'm gonna go ahead and let them do it, cuz I know they love her, Haleigh, and I know they love each other and they will be together." Misty's great grandma (I believe) on headline news yesterday.

moo

For 5 months?!?!?!?! Does that mean immediately after they started *dating*?

I dunno, I have an issue with that. :glare:

[Texas48]

I knew the wedding was coming within a couple days. In fact i bet yesterday right after that 3 day waiting period ends. Of course Emdragon who claimed there surely had to be no actual plans will have to come up with a new excuse for these 2 now. I am glad that isnt my job! I could not defend this mess even if you paid me. :angry:I agree Bratlings.. Seems like I just do not have any words after hearing about this carp. I wish the family had NOT made the statements they did..Haleigh calling Misty "mommie"....Haleigh wanting a "wedding"....going to have "2" weddings....They should have said NOTHING. Funny..but yesterday I posted this case needed some JUICE..and media needed to keep Haleigh out front and Not let the case die out..I would NEVER have thought THE WEDDING is what would keep media on top of this case. Still shaking my head...:cursing:

[observe]

barf Yes, we can tell they are just trying to do the right thing.

I can only say it must be nice to be perfect:closedeyes:

[kitty1182]

Thanks again Swar.. Great video. That's the nebulizer I take it? Wonder if that is what was missing???? I'd really like to know that. I love the picture of her and Ron sitting on the couch , with her hair back and curly.

I would like to know too..If that is what is missing, then whoever has her knows she needed it.imo

I like the one of him lifting her so she can get an egg out of the tree..

[observe]

I think texski is offeneded by the dirt being thrown at the family...I guess it's acceptable here? I would advise texski to check out Websleuths...here is a comment made by one of their Mod/leaders last night...

Posting your thoughts about not agreeing with the engagement is fine, BUT, stop with the personal bashing of either parties, or their families.

Thanks!


__________________

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81142&page=4
The sound of reason. :biggrin: I agree i wouldn't do some of the things that they have done, but then, i have never been in the same situation. MOO

[IlliniFan]

If you or another person do not like a post that is fine, report it. If you are so fond of another site and think they have a better moderator than we do, then what are you doing here?

Because I can?

Look, I might not agree with things posted, I was advising an unhappy poster here. I think this board has some great posters that are helpful.....that's all...

[Owlface]

Actually, it was a brilliant move, imo. Now they can't testify against each other.

It's not that married people CAN'T testify against each other, spousal privilege is such that they can't be required to if they don't want to.

[Motomom]

I would like to know too..If that is what is missing, then whoever has her knows she needed it.imo

I like the one of him lifting her so she can get an egg out of the tree..

Will make for an interesting twist if it is truely gone don't you think Kitty?

By all accounts and I know we went through so many pictures with the CA case.. but Haleigh and Junior look to be in a good home. Every picture we are seeing now, in the videos shows a nice clean home for these children, no matter where they were, whose home. I see happy kids and a happy father. I still see the bad decisions, but I see the good in these kids lives as well.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Good points, all of them.

It seems neither Ron nor Misty have the time nor the motivation to do something productive like pass out flyers, but they do have the time to hash out the details of getting married. Don't have the time for consulting with victim advocates, but do have the time for deciding what sort of wedding to have (small now, bigger later). Can't stand to be in front of the cameras when it is about Haleigh's story, can't put together a coherent statement, but golly gee whiz, let me grin like the possum eating crap & babble on & on about the melodrama of the bridegroom-to-be dropping down on one knee if front of the breathless crowd.

No need to take any time to think about the possibility that Haleigh might return & wonder at some later date why dad & Misty wasted no time whatsoever getting on with whatever it was they wanted to do.

Ya know, I think I would about a million questions about my family's priorities if I should be abducted & find out that on the one-month anniversary of the abduction that my home had been cleared out & abandoned & my supposedly loving parent had been spending time & energy on engagement & wedding.

Next up on the list of things to do - pick out wedding clothes, think about what kind of cake, consider flowers, who to invite, where to honeymoon. No need to think anymore about that troublesome little detail of a 5-year old still missing - hey, isn't that what the police are for?

Some of these folks are beyond revolting.

JMO


I just love this post.

[bama__angel]

It's not that married people CAN'T testify against each other, spousal privilege is such that they can't be required to if they don't want to.



It doesnt matter when Ron and Misty get married, spousal privilege only applies to prople who are actually married.....When Haleigh was taken they werent married then...WILL NOT APPLY............

[Owlface]

The difference I see in the A's support is that Casey is their child. So there's a big difference there IMO. He may have moved on from Misty a few months down the road, with Haleigh there. I can't see him needing her to the point of not getting justice for his daughter. But you may be right. Or he knows that she did nothing wrong. I keep asking this and either I'm not here for a response or not getting it LOL.. Does anyone know what misti was wearing when LE got there? I'd like to know what her demeaner was too.. when LE got there.


Bolding is mine. The only way he could KNOW that she did nothing is if he knows what actually did happen to Haleigh.

I still think his posturing about killing the person who did this on the 911 call was all about casting suspicion on a stranger to deflect from his guilt.

[observe]

I do believe promoting another site is against the TOS. Dont worry, I reported your post just to clarify the issue.



I just joined this board, but it looks like a few are running the board and if you don't agree then you get reported? Is that how this board works?

[Motomom]

Haleigh is shown all thru both those videos. Who do you think was taking them when Haleigh was just a few months old.
SNIPPED

moo

Who were the videos put up by? They are a compilation of pictures of her life. I never said they weren't shot by Crystal. NEVER. I assume since most of the pictures are after Junior seems to have been born, and since Ron has had him since he was 6 months, that those pictures were mostly taken at Ron's or his families house. That's a logical assumption don't you think?

I would like to see pictures of Crystal and Haleigh. I'm sure we will see much of the same. If you don't think my posts are sincere, please skip them. But they are.

you are trying to turn this conversation into a negative one and I will not be a part of that today.

[bama__angel]

I just joined this board, but it looks like a few are running the board and if you don't agree then you get reported? Is that how this board works?



Do not be concerned please.............I havent been posting that long either..........Mostly a reader.............It's been my observation that most posters in here will just ignore a post that they dont agree with...IMO most are adults who act like adults and would not report a poster for expressing their opinion.

[Motomom]

With all due respect, what would the other choice be? I don't know of one abuse victim that would have pictures of someone screaming at them, hitting them, showing abuse on pictures. Yes, we have seen pictures of battered women AFTER the fact, to document their bruises/injuries. But when people are saying everything *looks* to be so happy and normal, what in the world did they expect? I've seen child victims pictures that have shown them extremely happy. Pictures, do not always speak a thousand words and I think Casey Anthony (and her thousands of pictures) is proof in the puddin'.

moo

I take that into consideration viking. I do. They aren't going to put bad pictures up, but they could put nothing up at all. I guess that is the other choice. I know all about the Casey pictures and I can't remember how I felt about them in the beginning and how I feel about them now kwim? I feel like these pictures are genuine though, and she had a good life all the way around.

[Owlface]

This all is looking very familiar.....don't you see? Casey Anthony went out and partied after Caylee's death she made plans to start a new life, she celebrated her new found freedom, she got a tattoo. Her story kept changing and she was reluctant to help LE find Caylee. She had motive to rid herself of Caylee.

With the missing Haleigh, we see a family that after a brief period of time has moved on with celebrating a birthday and now an engagement.They have bought a new home, Ron got a new tattoo. Misty's story keeps changing and is reluctant to help LE find Haleigh. Misty had motive to rid herself of Haleigh because she was in the way.

From the moment Caylee Anthony went missing I wrote on this board that her mother was responsible and got blasted for it. Some of the posters could not believe that a loving mother, as she appeared to be could kill her daughter..... I am now saying that I think that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. I find that her motive is even stronger than Casey's was.... but with no evidence as of yet, this is only an opinion that I am strongly voicing.


ITA with your post. I don't see it the same as those who say they have no doubt about Ron's love for Haleigh. She's a sweet little child; the fact that she is loved reflects on her inherent lovability not on Ron for doing so. And besides, that's what people said about Andrea Yates (which makes me want to SCREAM!) that she loved her children. And, love is an action not a feeling. If Ron TRULY loved her so much he would have made way different decisions in his personal life that would have kept her safer.

[Motomom]

I think a better idea would be to give them both credit.

Haleigh looks like a very happy child.

Exactly doneit. I wasn't attempting to give either one credit. I am saying my opinion is she was happy and well cared for in those pictures. No matter where they were, she was still smiling and living life.

[Former Juror]

So, let me get this straight. Ron is 24 and has 3 kids with 2 women, has a 17-year old girlfriend who reportedly left his children alone at night to party, has a new tattoo paid for with donations from people concerned about Haleigh, is now engaged to that same 17 year old.....AND neither of them have been cleared by LE???????

I have not been 100% suspicious of Ron and Misty, but I am now.....and it is is ALL their own doing.

This is all too weird for words.

IMOOC

[IlliniFan]

That *unhappy* poster had pletny to say when she attacked posters instead of the posts. When someone makes a decision to leave, why is it they need to announce it? Why not just log off? Around here seems like its a free for all when the subject of Crystal comes up, but oh boy when someone questions Ron, we get accused of bashing.

moo

I understand...It's difficult for some to just scroll on by some posts..I can do that....I certainly meant no disrespect. But I can see where some might get frustrated....You have to toughen up to be on message boards, and not everyone is capable of doing so....

Didn't want to start a conflict..

[Motomom]

Caylee's picture depict a good home, a nice clean home. They also show a happy child with her mom, and grandparents. Casey made some bad decisions too, but there was still good in Caylee's life.

I am sorry, I am just not getting the comparison because really there is no difference here in the home life and happiness of the child/children except that one was poor and the other middle class. :shrug:

I guess the difference I see in the pictures is that most of Casey pictures were "posed" it seemed. For the camera, making sure she always looked good. She always had a big grin, showing off her pearly whites, it was always the same too. A good bit of the pictures we are seeing with haleigh are more in action. You can sense somebodys mood or something.. a bit better when they aren't hamming it up in every single picture. Hope I made sense.

[?noanswer]

This will bring you to your knees.

Where did it go wrong?

What happened to this little doll?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=channel

I have no idea what happened to little Haleigh, but she sures looks like a lot of people loved her. The name of that person that posted those videos (there are 4 at this location) is posted by a user name that has been claimed by her GGM on another site. JMO

[observe]

LOL, you said earlier you've been lurking since the Scott Peterson case, so you know how it works, and that description isn't it.

LOL thats the way it has been working on the Haliegh board MOO:rolleyes:

[Motomom]

I didn't say anything about your sincerity. I just think whenever an opportunity arises to put Crystal down, it becomes a free for all. Crystal has tried to remain in the background through this, with the exception of her faux pas with Geraldo. Which, btw, was most likely coerced by Marie for her to do it. Of all the players in this, Crystal seems to have remained dignified. She doesn't need to exploit photos of Haleigh and herself, the Cummings are doing their exploitation quite nicely. The saving grace in releasing all these videos is down the road they won't be able to sell them, they'll be downloaded all over the web. Shades of the Casey video that's been in the news.

moo

She is a missing child and her picture should be out there. What other avenue do they have other than to post videos of her images on youtube. I for one am glad to see that youtube can be used in such a way, compared to some other stuff that is on there. This is not exploitation IMO

[Kelly3820]

I didn't say anything about your sincerity. I just think whenever an opportunity arises to put Crystal down, it becomes a free for all. Crystal has tried to remain in the background through this, with the exception of her faux pas with Geraldo. Which, btw, was most likely coerced by Marie for her to do it. Of all the players in this, Crystal seems to have remained dignified. She doesn't need to exploit photos of Haleigh and herself, the Cummings are doing their exploitation quite nicely. The saving grace in releasing all these videos is down the road they won't be able to sell them, they'll be downloaded all over the web. Shades of the Casey video that's been in the news.

moo

MO I don't see Crystal like that at all. I am not bashing her but to me she comes across different then what you posted.

[Former Juror]

Smiling in a picture does not mean the child was happy and in a good home. Children love unconditionally. Look at Karen Downs, Diane Downs' daughter who was shot by her mother. On the stand, that poor child professed her love for her mom.

Haleigh might have had the greatest life ever, but somehow, I don't think a child, who has been separated from her mother and was living with her dad's immature girlfriend who is just a child herself, can be considered to be living in a very healthy situation.

IMO

[?noanswer]

I would like to know too..If that is what is missing, then whoever has her knows she needed it.imo

I like the one of him lifting her so she can get an egg out of the tree..

I hope the nebulizer is the object that is missing. That tells me that whomever took her might be taking care of her. JMO

[Owlface]

Smiling in a picture does not mean the child was happy and in a good home. Children love unconditionally. Look at Karen Downs, Diane Downs' daughter who was shot by her mother. On the stand, that poor child professed her love for her mom.

Haleigh might have had the greatest life ever, but somehow, I don't think a child, who has been separated from her mother and was living with her dad's immature girlfriend who is just a child herself, can be considered to be living in a very healthy situation.

IMO


Bolding mine. ITA with this post

[Speedy30]

Haleigh is shown all thru both those videos. Who do you think was taking them when Haleigh was just a few months old.

Crystal doesn't and didn't have a chance with the overbearing Cummings family. Not only did she have to deal with Theresa, she had the great granny to contend with also At 19 she just caved in, too much to handle with an abusive, addicted boyfriend and a controlling family.

moo


Great post!

[IlliniFan]

I hope the nebulizer is the object that is missing. That tells me that whomever took her might be taking care of her. JMO


I agree. I hope LE will give us just a kernal of information...It's frustrating....no leaks, no news, nothing. I can only hope that the investingation isn't stalled at this point....

[AmndaRcknwth]

Welcome aboard. Yes, no matter what they do, it will be wrong.
jmo


Do you think what they are doing is the right thing to do at this time?

[penguinlady]

So far I have watched two of the videos. I do wish if they are going to make videos to get Haleighs face out there that they would have more updated pictures. Most of the pictures (that were time stamped) didn't go further than 2006. There were very few pictures that showed what she looks like now. I think there was one shot of her on her 5th b-day (it looked like 5 candles on the cake). Pictures of her and Jr. the boy looks 1 or 2.

IMO

K

[Speedy30]

So, let me get this straight. Ron is 24 and has 3 kids with 2 women, has a 17-year old girlfriend who reportedly left his children alone at night to party, has a new tattoo paid for with donations from people concerned about Haleigh, is now engaged to that same 17 year old.....AND neither of them have been cleared by LE???????

I have not been 100% suspicious of Ron and Misty, but I am now.....and it is is ALL their own doing.

This is all too weird for words.

IMOOC

Did you happen to see the ring Misty is sporting?

Hmmm, do I put money toward the reward of my daughter, or do I buy my teenage girlfriend a rock?

[AmndaRcknwth]

If anyone has noticed.........I have said for a long time that Misty was jealous of Haleigh. I think that more today then I ever did.

Where is momofamarine?...Also, didn't someone post a picture last night asking if they thought Misty was pregnant in the picture?...I never could get the picture to show up. Can someone post it again? I would like to see it.

MOO

Here is the pic:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3531tub&s=5

It would have been right after her 17th birthday (Dec 9).
I don't think she's pregnant, just the angle.
Otherwise, she'd be bigger now. She looked slim in the purple top yesterday.

[kitty1182]

I hope the nebulizer is the object that is missing. That tells me that whomever took her might be taking care of her. JMO

Yes and if it is, I think it should be known, in case whoever has her had to get it refilled(I guess that's what you do to one) and places can be checked to see if one was refilled or something..
Do you get refills on them?:confused:

[Speedy30]

No, no, no the ring was already in the family

It should go to Haleigh

Oh, of course it was already in the family!

[DenVIP]

excuse me but have they posted the engagement party pix yet....I'm dying to see them.....can't wait............oh yeah any news on Haleigh

[JD1974]

I was thinking the same thing....isn't there some law you don't have to testify against your spouse?


Yes BUT you have to be married at the time it happened, you can't just run off and get married and the marriage be retroactive.

[IlliniFan]

Here is the pic:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3531tub&s=5

It would have been right after her 17th birthday (Dec 9).
I don't think she's pregnant, just the angle.
Otherwise, she'd be bigger now. She looked slim in the purple top yesterday.

thanks for posting that, as I'd not seen it.. I agree, I'd think she'd look bigger too. That's not to say she didn't recently find out she's pregnnat??

[JD1974]

I am not sure what to think about this marriage. I really hope it is because what happened has brought them closer instead of tearing them apart.

[JD1974]

Isn't it true that in many states wives cannot be compelled to testify against their husbands, and vice versa? Maybe this is the reason for the rush for Ron and Mistie to tie the knot.



That only works if you are married at the time...maritial privledge is not retroactive.

[Elle]

The videos of Haleigh are breathtaking.

So bittersweet.

[odyssey]

No, from Ron's collection, or the grandmothers IMO. I didn't see the nebulizer, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

I'm glad they are putting these videos out there. It's nice to see that they don't appear to be selling them. It reconfirms my opinion of Ron as well.

I would like to see some of Crystal and the kids too. Do you hae any of them Swar? I'd like to know that Haleigh was just as happy with Crystal as she was with Ron.

There is a nebulizer in there. I saw it and my son has used one. And the other poster will have links from Cs's side of the family only if the web site she keeps taking these links from and posting them here posts one and so far no one has.


jmoo

[observe]

Do you think what they are doing is the right thing to do at this time?

That is not for me to say. I have justed observed Ron and i think he loves his little girl and would do anything to find her.

I just wish the focus would be back on finding Haleigh and not digging up dirt.


consider this scenario

Haleigh wakes up and has to go to the bathroom. maybe she hears something outside and thinks her dad is coming home and goes outside where she is abducted. MOO

[Motomom]

There was no proof of Caylee's death at Casey's hand for months but I do not recall you being one of those defending her. Same with SP, DP, and every other case. Why does RC get special treatment?

I don't think many defended Casey. Ron's wasn't out partying for 31 days, not telling anyone that haleigh was missing. I don't always assume the parent did wrong doing. I know better. I know it happens, and is all together possible, just as it is possible we have yet another child taken by a SO or some other wacko out there. We've seen that too.

[Speedy30]

That is not for me to say. I have justed observed Ron and i think he loves his little girl and would do anything to find her.

I just wish the focus would be back on finding Haleigh and not digging up dirt.


consider this scenario

Haleigh wakes up and has to go to the bathroom. maybe she hears something outside and thinks her dad is coming home and goes outside where she is abducted. MOO

Its pretty hard not to examine the dirt when its being kicked in your face. Where is Haleigh? Well, I don't know that, but I can tell you where her Dad is, hes at Chillis, getting down on one knee proposing to his teenage girlfriend, glad his appetite is intact.

[IlliniFan]

Overbearing Cummings family?? I don't see Ron's mom or grandmom being overbearing. Did I miss something somewhere??
jmo


IMO..Theresa has been the one who's pain is clearly obvious. I have not heard that she was overbearing? Nor I have I seen her on tv acting in the manner, but jmo

[Mimi428]

No, no, no the ring was already in the family

It should go to Haleigh

For all we know, the ring could be one more thing that was originally attached to someone else, but was coveted by Misty.

"Got your man, I'll get your child & I want the ring that should go to that other kid".

We don't know the desires & the inner workings of the minds of these folks. Only that their observed actions & words are beyond the realm of reasonable, rational human behavior.

I still think Ron choosing the BACK of his leg for the placement of that tattoo was the manifestation of a subconscious wish to put Haleigh BEHIND HIM. Moving on. Got better people to talk to. Got more important things to take care of. Just let me go & do what I want w/o all these freakin' cameras tracking my every move.

KWIM?

JMO

[JD1974]

Something that I don't understand is how long do some posters feel is long enough to wait to do anything for a parent of a missing child? Should they never marry, go back to work, go out to dinner, socialize? Should they wait until their child is found? What if god forbid the child is NEVER found, do they put their life on hold indefinitely and just die a little more everyday?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[kitty1182]

They do not get refilled. You get a prescription for the medicine to put into them. They come in individual doses of little liquid plastic pop off top container things.

Thanks, I didn't know anything about them..Now, I think all drugstores should be checked to see if any refills were left and if one has been filled....Wouldn't hurt.

[Brattnt]

Yes and if it is, I think it should be known, in case whoever has her had to get it refilled(I guess that's what you do to one) and places can be checked to see if one was refilled or something..
Do you get refills on them?:confused:

Hi sissy!....:wub:

You put the medicine in it and then breathe the mist it makes...

[DenVIP]

Looks to me like its a Xmas, December picture. This is March.

moo

mistys birthday is dec 9th?

[?noanswer]

There is a nebulizer in there. I saw it and my son has used one. And the other poster will have links from Cs's side of the family only if the web site she keeps taking these links from and posting them here posts one and so far no one has.


jmoo

I don't have a link but I saw a video the other day. The people in it lead me to believe it was from the maternal side of the family. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Something that I don't understand is how long do some posters feel is long enough to wait to do anything for a parent of a missing child? Should they never marry, go back to work, go out to dinner, socialize? Should they wait until their child is found? What if god forbid the child is NEVER found, do they put their life on hold indefinitely and just die a little more everyday?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I have no idea how long they should wait but what I do know IMO getting married one month after your child is missing and still has not been found is just wrong!

[JD1974]

For all we know, the ring could be one more thing that was originally attached to someone else, but was coveted by Misty.

"Got your man, I'll get your child & I want the ring that should go to that other kid".

We don't know the desires & the inner workings of the minds of these folks. Only that their observed actions & words are beyond the realm of reasonable, rational human behavior.

I still think Ron choosing the BACK of his leg for the placement of that tattoo was the manifestation of a subconscious wish to put Haleigh BEHIND HIM. Moving on. Got better people to talk to. Got more important things to take care of. Just let me go & do what I want w/o all these freakin' cameras tracking my every move.

KWIM?

JMO



My kids names are tattooed on my back and trust me that isn't how I feel about my kids at all. No none of mine are missing but it is the same premise of putting them behind you either way.

[IlliniFan]

Or the ring could be a cz bought from one of the Home Shopping Network outlet stores....Hard to say...

[*Spike*]

Here is the pic:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3531tub&s=5

It would have been right after her 17th birthday (Dec 9).
I don't think she's pregnant, just the angle.
Otherwise, she'd be bigger now. She looked slim in the purple top yesterday.


to me, she looks pregnant in that picture. maybe not that far along. JMO

[JD1974]

Are you suggesting the 30 day anniversary is the right time?


I am suggesting that for THEM apparently it is, who are we to say what anyone does is wrong just because we personally wouldn't do it?

[mrsmcgoo]

This case is so bizarre! :ohmy:

Bad timing on Ron and Misty's part, can't imagine them thinking of marriage or a future at this time. Heck he can't even go in the house, how can he think ahead to marriage?? That may be their morals, who knows.

As for Crystal, hmmm, I just could never get out of my mind how she implied, either through silence or poison words that Ron was behind this. She tried to paint a picture of him from the get go. When infact it could have been HIM who was painting the picture. Especially when it is considered how convenient for Crystal with the large amound of arrears for child support she was owing. Seems a little too convenient to me...

JMO

[Elle]

I don't think many defended Casey. Ron's wasn't out partying for 31 days, not telling anyone that haleigh was missing. I don't always assume the parent did wrong doing. I know better. I know it happens, and is all together possible, just as it is possible we have yet another child taken by a SO or some other wacko out there. We've seen that too.

IA.

I do not see any similarities between the 2 cases.

Casey never reported Caylee missing
Casey made up an nanny that kidnapped Caylee
Casey repetatively lied to LE
Casey's trunk smelled of decomp.

I do not see one thing that leads me to believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's dissapearance.

imo

[TealMermaid]

Something that I don't understand is how long do some posters feel is long enough to wait to do anything for a parent of a missing child? Should they never marry, go back to work, go out to dinner, socialize? Should they wait until their child is found? What if god forbid the child is NEVER found, do they put their life on hold indefinitely and just die a little more everyday?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It's been a month! I don't think I'd be able to function at all! Let alone plan a wedding, get a tattoo, and take an adult out to celebrate a birthday. I'd be so distraught over what a pervert might be doing to my child-I'd need to be medicated! Why aren't they handing out fliers, meeting with advocates for missing children, etc? Their behavior is completely bizarre!!!:confused:

[kitty1182]

Hi sissy!....:wub:

You put the medicine in it and then breathe the mist it makes...



Hi sweetpea:wub:

It would be great to find out there was a refill, that would mean she is probally ok..

[Speedy30]

Something that I don't understand is how long do some posters feel is long enough to wait to do anything for a parent of a missing child? Should they never marry, go back to work, go out to dinner, socialize? Should they wait until their child is found? What if god forbid the child is NEVER found, do they put their life on hold indefinitely and just die a little more everyday?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Its been a month, a month. How would it be if someones spouse died, and they were at the courthouse less than a month later getting a marriage license to marry someone else?

[JD1974]

I have no idea how long they should wait but what I do know IMO getting married one month after your child is missing and still has not been found is just wrong!


So 5 months from now if she isn't found, someone will be saying something along the lines of .....but they only waited 6 months and Haleigh hasn't been found.

[?noanswer]

My kids names are tattooed on my back and trust me that isn't how I feel about my kids at all. No none of mine are missing but it is the same premise of putting them behind you either way.

I know of a family whose daughter died from cancer. The day she died the mother, father & brother got tatoos. The mother's is on her back. There is no way they were trying to put her behind them. They had been thru so many ups & downs with remissions and even the daughter had a child between one of those remissions. JMO

[JD1974]

It's been a month! I don't think I'd be able to function at all! Let alone plan a wedding, get a tattoo, and take an adult out to celebrate a birthday. I'd be so distraught over what a pervert might be doing to my child-I'd need to be medicated! Why aren't they handing out fliers, meeting with advocates for missing children, etc? Their behavior is completely bizarre!!!:confused:


That is the point I am making, to you and even me it is strange. I wouldn't do it but I am not going to rip them apart because they did.

[Themis]

excuse me but have they posted the engagement party pix yet....I'm dying to see them.....can't wait............oh yeah any news on Haleigh
There you go again.:wink:

[JD1974]

Its been a month, a month. How would it be if someones spouse died, and they were at the courthouse less than a month later getting a marriage license to marry someone else?

No idea, I have never had a spouse die and as far as I know Haleigh isn't dead, she is missing.

[TealMermaid]

So 5 months from now if she isn't found, someone will be saying something along the lines of .....but they only waited 6 months and Haleigh hasn't been found.

Look at the way these people live! Ron makes a hobby out of impregnating teen-age girls. Why get married NOW??

[Jpanda]

Something that I don't understand is how long do some posters feel is long enough to wait to do anything for a parent of a missing child? Should they never marry, go back to work, go out to dinner, socialize? Should they wait until their child is found? What if god forbid the child is NEVER found, do they put their life on hold indefinitely and just die a little more everyday?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Hi JD,

I see where you are coming from, and I don't think that them getting married necessarily means that they had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance...not at all.

However, getting engaged a MONTH after his daughter is missing (not confirmed dead, not confirmed anything) is a bit strange and hard for me to swallow. I don't have any kids yet, but I do have little twin nephews who are Haleigh's age and if one of them went missing, I would put EVERYTHING on hold, until they are found, or until waaaay more time has passed. How long is appropriate, in my opinion? I'm not sure, but definitely longer than a month.

I understand that that's just me and that people are different - having said that, if they wanted to go and get married, an announcement and showing off of the ring did not need to be made public. What was the purpose of that? It definitely took the focus off of Haleigh and I just find it incredibly inappropriate.

I'm over it though and just want the focus back on Haleigh. But you have to admit - when the last known person to see Haleigh alive gets engaged a month later and then shows off her ring to the media, it is a bit strange and definitely raises suspicions.

jmo

[JD1974]

Look at the way these people live! Ron makes a hobby out of impregnating teen-age girls. Why get married NOW??

I have to admit that was the first thing I thought about....why get married to someone you have only been dating for 6 months, yet never married any of the girlfriends who bore his children?

[crymeariver2006]

Wouldn't it be better to wait until we have proof of what happened to Haleigh before we start spitting out negative things??
jmo


Oh I don't know, wouldn't it be better to wait until proof of what happened to Haleigh before two of the yet to be cleared "all the world's a suspect" start tying the knot? Especially since one of the yet to be cleared was the last person known to have seen Haleigh?

:shrug:

[Themis]

That is not for me to say. I have justed observed Ron and i think he loves his little girl and would do anything to find her.

I just wish the focus would be back on finding Haleigh and not digging up dirt.


consider this scenario

Haleigh wakes up and has to go to the bathroom. maybe she hears something outside and thinks her dad is coming home and goes outside where she is abducted. MOO
Except for the fact that her father, Ron Cummings, is adamant in stating that Haleigh is: (1) afraid of the dark, (2) is a shy child, and (3) does not wander

[KKKKKKatie]

So 5 months from now if she isn't found, someone will be saying something along the lines of .....but they only waited 6 months and Haleigh hasn't been found.

I am from the old school where people waited a year after a death to date, get married etc....it is my opinion that this is just crazy. Nothing is going to change the way I feel about it.

[Speedy30]

No idea, I have never had a spouse die and as far as I know Haleigh isn't dead, she is missing.
I really never thought it took having a spouse die to have respect for someone who was an important part of your life go missing, to each their own, I think its uncouth, its been a month, a child is missing, and more than likely dead.

[Mimi428]

My kids names are tattooed on my back and trust me that isn't how I feel about my kids at all. No none of mine are missing but it is the same premise of putting them behind you either way.

Timing, timing, timing.

The location would not have even half the significance if the tattoo had been acquired simply as something to do. Permanent artwork thoughtfully chosen, etc.

It is the timing plus the circumstances plus the location that makes it seem too much of a "let me get this behind me".

JMO

[odyssey]

Perhaps it is a cup of Haleigh's that is missing .. a favorite cup of hers, personalized or something .. that would fit in with my abduction theory.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

Its my hope that with the recent events the court will now rule and reverse the physical custody arraingements and Junior will go to Crystal, and Ron will have visitation 4 days a month.

moo

Sounds to me like he's hoping against hope to head that off with his impending nuptials.

[JD1974]

Hi JD,

I see where you are coming from, and I don't think that them getting married necessarily means that they had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance...not at all.

However, getting engaged a MONTH after his daughter is missing (not confirmed dead, not confirmed anything) is a bit strange and hard for me to swallow. I don't have any kids yet, but I do have little twin nephews who are Haleigh's age and if one of them went missing, I would put EVERYTHING on hold, until they are found, or until waaaay more time has passed. How long is appropriate, in my opinion? I'm not sure, but definitely longer than a month.

I understand that that's just me and that people are different - having said that, if they wanted to go and get married, an announcement and showing off of the ring did not need to be made public. What was the purpose of that? It definitely took the focus off of Haleigh and I just find it incredibly inappropriate.

I'm over it though and just want the focus back on Haleigh. But you have to admit - when the last known person to see Haleigh alive gets engaged a month later and then shows off her ring to the media, it is a bit strange and definitely raises suspicions.

jmo

Oh I do think it is strange! I just hate when people get ripped to shreds because they have done something that others deem inappropriate. I have no idea why they are getting married, I would hope for the right reasons. For all we know this could have been planned before Haleigh disappeared.

I think people who are gut punched do strange things sometimes, they do things without thinking of the full ramifications of what they have done. I have never had a child who had been missing for more than 5 minutes, those 5 minutes feel like a lifetime and I couldn't function. If it would of went on longer I can honestly say I have no clue as to the damage I could inflict on my family by making choices without my full faculties intact.

[Jpanda]

I am from the old school where people waited a year after a death to date, get married etc....it is my opinion that this is just crazy. Nothing is going to change the way I feel about it.

I agree.

And I have no prejudice against Ron and Misty. I would feel that this is strange no matter who this was....even if Lee Anthony had decided to propose to his girlfriend a month after Caylee went missing, I would think that was extremely inappropriate also.

But add to the fact that Misty was the last person to see Haleigh, and there is just nothing normal about this. IMO

jmo

[Motomom]

My bold.

Has this been proven???

NO it hasn't done. Much like many recent posts stating things as fact when they are no where's close to fact.

That's what we need.. some facts right about now. LE has that press conference at 2 don't they???? I hope I don't forget. Maybe we'll know something one way or another.

[TealMermaid]

Its my hope that with the recent events the court will now rule and reverse the physical custody arraingements and Junior will go to Crystal, and Ron will have visitation 4 days a month.

moo

I agree. I'm sick of all the Crystal bashing. Neither Ron nor Crystal is the ideal parent. However, I think Ron got custody because he knew how to play the system and had connections. If I were Crystal, I'd try to get custody of Junior based on the "statutory rape" Ron continues to engage in. He could be convicted as a sexual predator.barf

[crymeariver2006]

For arguments sake, let's say a ped has Haleigh and she is still alive. How is Haleigh going to feel when the ped points out on tv that Dad and Misty got married this weekend and look at Misty's beautiful dress and see Dad smiling so happy? And look at Jr in his cute little clothes/tux. Can you just imagine the SO brainwashing Haleigh, telling her (like we have read and heard about in so many cases) "your family has moved on, they aren't looking for you and they don't want you". How bout that for a scenario? That's IF a sex offender has her, which I doubt highly. Maybe that's WHY the two of them should have waited, fgs.

moo

That's exactly what Parnell told Steven Stayner.

[KKKKKKatie]

I agree.

And I have no prejudice against Ron and Misty. I would feel that this is strange no matter who this was....even if Lee Anthony had decided to propose to his girlfriend a month after Caylee went missing, I would think that was extremely inappropriate also.

But add to the fact that Misty was the last person to see Haleigh, and there is just nothing normal about this. IMO

jmo

ITA I have no idea who is involved or not in Haleigh missing but it is still inappropriate IMO

[playnice]

I really never thought it took having a spouse die to have respect for someone who was an important part of your life go missing, to each their own, I think its uncouth, its been a month, a child is missing, and more than likely dead.

To everything there is a season. A time to mourn, a time to laugh.
Let the celebration begin this Saturday. Maybe there will even be dancing since there is a time to dance also.

[IlliniFan]

NO it hasn't done. Much like many recent posts stating things as fact when they are no where's close to fact.

That's what we need.. some facts right about now. LE has that press conference at 2 don't they???? I hope I don't forget. Maybe we'll know something one way or another.

I hadn't hear about the presser, I hope you're right. We need some solid, fact based information.

[JD1974]

Timing, timing, timing.

The location would not have even half the significance if the tattoo had been acquired simply as something to do. Permanent artwork thoughtfully chosen, etc.

It is the timing plus the circumstances plus the location that makes it seem too much of a "let me get this behind me".

JMO



See that's just what I have been trying to say, when something happens you really do not know what you would do. When I lost my son at 22 weeks I was a basketcase I didn't eat, heck sometimes I didn't shower. Instead of doing the things I should of I went way out there and started doing wrong things. If one of my children were to disappear after knowing them and loving them so much, it would be much, much worse.

[crymeariver2006]

NO it hasn't done. Much like many recent posts stating things as fact when they are no where's close to fact.

That's what we need.. some facts right about now. LE has that press conference at 2 don't they???? I hope I don't forget. Maybe we'll know something one way or another.

Is there a PC at 2:00?