Tuesday March 10, 2009

[Jpanda]

Oh I do think it is strange! I just hate when people get ripped to shreds because they have done something that others deem inappropriate. I have no idea why they are getting married, I would hope for the right reasons. For all we know this could have been planned before Haleigh disappeared.

I think people who are gut punched do strange things sometimes, they do things without thinking of the full ramifications of what they have done. I have never had a child who had been missing for more than 5 minutes, those 5 minutes feel like a lifetime and I couldn't function. If it would of went on longer I can honestly say I have no clue as to the damage I could inflict on my family by making choices without my full faculties intact.


And trust me, I agree with you about hating when people get ripped to shreds for not doing what THEY think is the right thing to do too.

However, in this situation, I just can't wrap my head around people thinking that them getting married a month later is ok.

I'm hoping that they're getting married because maybe they were advised to by LE, in order to not face charges for the age difference....who knows. But even if that is the case, it should have been a private affair and there should never have been the "showing off the ring" to the media.

All just my little opinion.

[JD1974]

And trust me, I agree with you about hating when people get ripped to shreds for not doing what THEY think is the right thing to do too.

However, in this situation, I just can't wrap my head around people thinking that them getting married a month later is ok.

I'm hoping that they're getting married because maybe they were advised to by LE, in order to not face charges for the age difference....who knows. But even if that is the case, it should have been a private affair and there should never have been the "showing off the ring" to the media.

All just my little opinion.


I agree with you, it should of been kept private.

[TealMermaid]

For arguments sake, let's say a ped has Haleigh and she is still alive. How is Haleigh going to feel when the ped points out on tv that Dad and Misty got married this weekend and look at Misty's beautiful dress and see Dad smiling so happy? And look at Jr in his cute little clothes/tux. Can you just imagine the SO brainwashing Haleigh, telling her (like we have read and heard about in so many cases) "your family has moved on, they aren't looking for you and they don't want you". How bout that for a scenario? That's IF a sex offender has her, which I doubt highly. Maybe that's WHY the two of them should have waited, fgs.

moo

I hadn't thought of this aspect of it! How awful for little Haileigh!:crying:

And isn't Misty the "Dumb B**** who lost his daughter"!:confused: Their behavior is beyond BIZARRE!!!!!

[Deb7]

When I heard of the engagement my mind went to "Ron thinks marrying his victim would be a defense for a statutory rape charge." Him being charged for statutory rape is a lot more relevant than marital privilege. For one thing, it's pretty apparent that if he found out that Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance he would have no problem testifying against her, married or not. Heck, if that were the case I don't think Misty would be available for a trial.

And - was it Misty's mom in that video when Misty was showiing off her ring etc. That women was saying how she had been asked for 5 months to give permission and everybody was being so mean to Ron and Misty that she decided to let them go ahead and get married. Did she really think a marriage would settle the public down - the public is going to be twice as "mean."

While I'm at it - everything I read and see about Ron's reactions lead me to believe he had something to do with it, starting with what he had to say at the 911 call - threatening to kill people - to what I consider his false displays of grief. Another poster said it all when they posted something like extreme grief and extreme guilt look alike.

I believe something happened to Haleigh even before Ron went to work. There's something real hinky about the timeline - Ron was at work and had no clue anything was wrong until he pulled up at 3:27 am and saw Misty outside. I ain't buying it.

JMHO


Great post! I ain't buying it either.
I can't imagine anyone would take pictures of them with their children while they are angry with them or after an unhappy situation. I would think if your child was missing you would distribute pictures of a happy child (not that many people take pictures of unhappy situations anyway). So, while those pictures of him with Haleigh are very cute and cuddly, that doesn't mean that Haleigh had a wonderful life. (It also doesn't mean she didn't either.) From personal experience, I know that a happy picture can happen one moment, and the next something not so happy can happen. JMO

[sickntired]

Thanks again Swar.. Great video. That's the nebulizer I take it? Wonder if that is what was missing???? I'd really like to know that. I love the picture of her and Ron sitting on the couch , with her hair back and curly.

Yes it would be interesting to know if the nebulizer is missing. Wouldn't someone plead, .....My daughter needs her nebulizer, please bring her home or to the nearest hospital. But even if they took the nebulizer they wouldn't be able to get the meds needed for it without a prescription.

What do we know about Turners Syndrome, does it require a nebulizer?

[IlliniFan]

Yes it would be interesting to know if the nebulizer is missing. Wouldn't someone plead, .....My daughter needs her nebulizer, please bring her home or to the nearest hospital. But even if they took the nebulizer they wouldn't be able to get the meds needed for it without a prescription.

What do we know about Turners Syndrome, does it require a nebulizer?

There was an article posted that stated she had asthma. I don't if asthma is a complication of TS? I think coronary problems are common.

But a nebulizer opens the airways for those that have asthma....it's albuterol in a mist. It likely gets deeper in the lungs than an inhaler.

[playnice]

Exactly. I wonder if, when Ron bended down on knee proposing included "Dumb b****, will you marry me? I love you and I know I trusted you to take care of my children and you blew it, bigtime, but I still love ya and even though I can't step foot back in that trailer because I am reminded of Haleigh, I want to marry YOU, the person who slept through a pedo coming in the home and taking my daughter even though she was just feet away from you.....just don't let it happen with Jr, kay hotstuff?" :sneaky:

moo

:ohmy::biggrin:

[Jpanda]

For just a second, I'm going to go with the theory that Haleigh is safe somewhere and that this is a scam for money. To be honest, this was in my mind when I very first heard about Haleigh being missing. I'm not sure if I believe it, but if this WAS the case, then it would definitely explain the following:

- why LE has virtually no leads

- why Misty wouldn't "crack" under LE pressure....because she knows Haleigh is safe and sound and they're just doing this for money for a better life

- why Crystal and the Sheffields have no problems with Misty....maybe they are in on it together

- why Ron and Misty would be getting married now

- why this happened the night before Caylee's big televised memorial

I don't know, just wanted to entertain this idea for a second...anything to think that this precious girl is safe and sound.

jmo

[Themis]

And trust me, I agree with you about hating when people get ripped to shreds for not doing what THEY think is the right thing to do too.

However, in this situation, I just can't wrap my head around people thinking that them getting married a month later is ok.

I'm hoping that they're getting married because maybe they were advised to by LE, in order to not face charges for the age difference....who knows. But even if that is the case, it should have been a private affair and there should never have been the "showing off the ring" to the media.

All just my little opinion.
It is highly unlikely that LE advised them to get married in order that Ron not be charged.

Frankly, LE has more on their minds than giving out marital advice ...
they are too busy trying to find Haleigh.

[IlliniFan]

Not exactly. Albuterol, which is usually the common drug used in nebulizers, would be a cinch to get a hold of.

jmo

Tell me where,,,,cuz I have to have a script for mine??? I'll have to check to see why I can't buy mine off the shelf?????

[sickntired]

Great post! I ain't buying it either.
I can't imagine anyone would take pictures of them with their children while they are angry with them or after an unhappy situation. I would think if your child was missing you would distribute pictures of a happy child (not that many people take pictures of unhappy situations anyway). So, while those pictures of him with Haleigh are very cute and cuddly, that doesn't mean that Haleigh had a wonderful life. (It also doesn't mean she didn't either.) From personal experience, I know that a happy picture can happen one moment, and the next something not so happy can happen.

Good post. I do know someone who took pics of their kids when they were thowing fits, so they could see how "ugly" they were being later. Kids adapt to their living conditions. An abused child still longs for love from their abuser and can be a totally different child from one minute to the next depending on their surroundings. I'm not saying that Ron abused Haleigh....I think he loved her, just something in the way he looked at her in those pics.

[Elle]

Mine is in red...

Unless LE states otherwise, I will believe Ron is telling them the truth, just as I will believe Crystal is telling the truth. As of now, there has been nothing that would lead me to believe that either one of them has lied to LE. So while you may ask how do I know he is telling the truth, I ask in return, how do you know he is not? I do not know, but rather made a choice to believe unless information comes to light that would cause me to reconsider my position. That very well may happen.

Neither of us has any more knowledge than the other. With such limited information, and with so few provable facts, all we can do is speculate.

I never said you were wrong. I stated I agreed with another posters opinion. You have every right to state your opinion.

I agree that there are things here that make me take notice. I am hesitant though at this time to read too much into them. I wish that LE would give more information. I wish that they could/would publicly clear Ron and Crystal and their families of any involvement. I do have speculation about Misty, but again, am not going too far with it at the moment.

:rose: Haleigh

(wow, I really go on and on, I need to work on that, being succinct, definately not my forte:smile:)

[IlliniFan]

Right beneath your fingertips, the world wide web.

moo

I guess you mean order from India and such??

US online pharmacys require an rx, not sure about the offshore drug sites?

[TealMermaid]

Exactly. I wonder if, when Ron bended down on knee proposing included "Dumb b****, will you marry me? I love you and I know I trusted you to take care of my children and you blew it, bigtime, but I still love ya and even though I can't step foot back in that trailer because I am reminded of Haleigh, I want to marry YOU, the person who slept through a pedo coming in the home and taking my daughter even though she was just feet away from you.....just don't let it happen with Jr, kay hotstuff?" :sneaky:

moo

:laugh::laugh:

[DenVIP]

It is highly unlikely that LE advised them to get married in order that Ron not be charged.

Frankly, LE has more on their minds than giving out marital advice ...
they are too busy trying to find Haleigh.

I agree with you on that.....they need to re interview all parties again, I still believe LE has an idea

[?noanswer]

I agree with you, it should of been kept private.

There is no way the news could have been kept private. Maybe the players should not have talked to the press. The day before posters were stating that they were thinking they had got married. At that time I said that with all the media present, if they had got married, it would have been on the news. Evidently the media is always close by, otherwise how would they have been at the license place when they came out. JMO

[ICE]

I agree. I'm sick of all the Crystal bashing. Neither Ron nor Crystal is the ideal parent. However, I think Ron got custody because he knew how to play the system and had connections. If I were Crystal, I'd try to get custody of Junior based on the "statutory rape" Ron continues to engage in. He could be convicted as a sexual predator.barf

I agree. I like your outspoken thoughts Teal! :smile:

[TealMermaid]

Misty has only been in the picture a short time. IIRC. So before Misty, why was Crystal separated from her kids?? Do we really know the truth??
jmo

I think Ron had connections and knew how to play the system. I think he's abusive and controlling, and Crystal was afraid of him.

I know of a young couple, where the father got custody of the son. The mother is clearly the better parent in this situation, and the system let the child down. I think Ron and Crystal's situation is similar.

[IlliniFan]

Mexico......Canada?


Maybe? But as far as I know the legitimate online pharmacies based in the US require a script..

Plus if a kidnapper was buying albuterol from an offshore phamacy they still need an address and credit card, not to mention the 2 -3 week delivery time??

[?noanswer]

For just a second, I'm going to go with the theory that Haleigh is safe somewhere and that this is a scam for money. To be honest, this was in my mind when I very first heard about Haleigh being missing. I'm not sure if I believe it, but if this WAS the case, then it would definitely explain the following:

- why LE has virtually no leads

- why Misty wouldn't "crack" under LE pressure....because she knows Haleigh is safe and sound and they're just doing this for money for a better life

- why Crystal and the Sheffields have no problems with Misty....maybe they are in on it together

- why Ron and Misty would be getting married now

- why this happened the night before Caylee's big televised memorial

I don't know, just wanted to entertain this idea for a second...anything to think that this precious girl is safe and sound.

jmo


If either side of the family was doing this for money, they could never "find" her without the truth coming out. JMO

[TealMermaid]

I agree. I like your outspoken thoughts Teal! :smile:

Thanks ICE!:beer:

[VC2]

Did you happen to see the ring Misty is sporting?

Hmmm, do I put money toward the reward of my daughter, or do I buy my teenage girlfriend a rock?

the ring was handed down to TN by her mom, and she has now given it to Ron for Misty.

my god, talk about judgemental. Even if it was a new ring which it isn't, you have no clue if its CZ or not

[Speedy30]

the ring was handed down to TN by her mom, and she has now given it to Ron for Misty.

my god, talk about judgemental. Even if it was a new ring which it isn't, you have no clue if its CZ or not

Oh, I have no doubt its cubic zarconia.

[DenVIP]

hello again is Misty in school still? Did she graduate? If not isn't she truant ? Just wondering

[VC2]

I don't think they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. I believe waiting until Misty is of legal age or when Haleigh is found would be more appropriate to hold a ceremony and I believe driving 3 hours to get a tattoo was rushed as well. But clearly my way of thinking is skewed because I am sitting here wondering how anyone can justify Ron's engagement to Misty, the 17 year old babysitter that was ultimately responsible for the disappearance of his "heart" Haleigh.

moo

do you have a link to misty being responsible for her disappearance?

IMO the one thing for sure is that Ron does not believe she was involved in any way.

imo

[DenVIP]

Maybe the tattoo joint had a *special* going on cz rings? :unsure:

moo

that would be so cool buy a tattoo get a ring free and a gift certificate to Chilis....yahoo!

[KKKKKKatie]

Doesn't matter one wit to me if the ring was handed down, bought, if it is real or cz.....it is not the ring that has me troubled....it is the timing of the whole proposal/party/wedding that has me :ohmy:

And for those that say it is to get around charges being made on Ron....he could still be prosecuted. Marriage doesn't take away what came before it. IMO

[IlliniFan]

PO Box, pre-paid credit card......2-3 weeks delivery time I don't know. But I think this line of thinking is a little far fetched.

Yep..I was just saying imo getting the medicine might not be so easy...... I don't think a kidnapper would have any interest in a nebulizer, buying albuterol, unless it was a famility member that knew she needed them.....

[KKKKKKatie]

Yep..I was just saying imo getting the medicine might not be so easy...... I don't think a kidnapper would have any interest in a nebulizer, buying albuterol, unless it was a famility member that knew she needed them.....

wish LE would let us know what it is that is missing :angry:

[MrLucky917B]

For just a second, I'm going to go with the theory that Haleigh is safe somewhere and that this is a scam for money. To be honest, this was in my mind when I very first heard about Haleigh being missing. I'm not sure if I believe it, but if this WAS the case, then it would definitely explain the following:

- why LE has virtually no leads

- why Misty wouldn't "crack" under LE pressure....because she knows Haleigh is safe and sound and they're just doing this for money for a better life

- why Crystal and the Sheffields have no problems with Misty....maybe they are in on it together

- why Ron and Misty would be getting married now

- why this happened the night before Caylee's big televised memorial

I don't know, just wanted to entertain this idea for a second...anything to think that this precious girl is safe and sound.

jmo

add to the list

Why didn't LE want outsiders searching the 1st few days

Why was TES asked to stop searching

JMO

[SwineFeld]

I THINK.....In most states you can legally drop out at at the age of 16 without a parents consent.

hello again is Misty in school still? Did she graduate? If not isn't she truant ? Just wondering

[march27]

i am now leaving this message board for good. the nasty posters make me ill. you take a made up theory of your own and make the most vile accusations with no proof or knowledge of your own. you peoples prejudices are so obvious, what is the matter with you all??? instead of wondering about the cummings family crying on camera, i think you should start wondering about your own reaction to their pain. goodby

post of the week

[IlliniFan]

Ahhhhhhh......and another theory......are they hiding her out?

heck if I know? I wish a family member had her, that loved her and wolud take care of her, but I just don't think that's the case,,imo

But who knows...

[Owlface]

Hi JD,

I see where you are coming from, and I don't think that them getting married necessarily means that they had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance...not at all.

However, getting engaged a MONTH after his daughter is missing (not confirmed dead, not confirmed anything) is a bit strange and hard for me to swallow. I don't have any kids yet, but I do have little twin nephews who are Haleigh's age and if one of them went missing, I would put EVERYTHING on hold, until they are found, or until waaaay more time has passed. How long is appropriate, in my opinion? I'm not sure, but definitely longer than a month.

I understand that that's just me and that people are different - having said that, if they wanted to go and get married, an announcement and showing off of the ring did not need to be made public. What was the purpose of that? It definitely took the focus off of Haleigh and I just find it incredibly inappropriate.

I'm over it though and just want the focus back on Haleigh. But you have to admit - when the last known person to see Haleigh alive gets engaged a month later and then shows off her ring to the media, it is a bit strange and definitely raises suspicions.

jmo

Bolding mine - this is exactly what I thought. They can do whatever the heck they please, but when they put it out there for public consumption the public is going to give their opinion. I believe Misty's mom was terribly misguided when she said a wedding would improve Misty and Ron's standing to the public.

[Taybug]

Hey all. :) Here's to hoping little Haleigh is found today!

I have to go to work soon but I wanted to post about her asthma, nebulizer, and inhaler since I have asthma, also.

Granted, asthma can be different for everybody but my general knowledge is that it only comes in episodes. For instance, if she is allergic to anything (i.e. cats, dogs, dust, etc.) then that can spark an asthma attack and then she would need her inhaler and/or nebulizer. Also, for some, any heavy extracurricular activities (such as running) can cause for trouble breathing. For me, I only use my nebulizer if I am constantly having to use my inhaler. The nebulizer, for me, is used every 4 hours until I feel that I am good (good meaning that I feel my chest is clear and/or not tight anymore, or I am no longer wheezing).

As for the inhaler, it highly varies. Some people use certain inhalers DAILY to prevent asthma attacks. I have two different inhalers; one for daily use as a preventative and one that is straight albuterol for when I am having an asthma attack and I need a quick dose.

I just wanted to state this so everyone is clear on what they are used for/needed for, etc. Also, because it does make me wonder if one of these things could be what is missing and should be with Haleigh. It's highly likely, IMO.

Hopefully we hear something important at today's PC.

Most of the above is MOO.

[kitty1182]

wish LE would let us know what it is that is missing :angry:

I do too..If it is the thing she needs that is missing, someone in the family may have her.....imo

[IlliniFan]

You're absolutely right and speaking of LE if they don't have anything new at the PC this afternoon I am going to SCREAM

Are we sure there is a presser...? I sure hope so...But...the previous PC's revealed very little...LE just hasn't been saying anything...

[Speedy30]

Other than the tattoos, where is the proof on the rest???
But on the tat, Casey got hers when no one knew Caylee was missing. Ron got his knowing the world was watching.
jmo

Right, and bragged about how much cash he was pulling in via his missing daughter, talk about exploitation, what a thing to even talk about, how kewl! Have they registered at Target yet for wedding gifts? How about before getting a hideous tat, how about buying your daughter a bed frame for her bed so shes not laying on the floor?

Where are the priorities here?

[Owlface]

Exactly. I wonder if, when Ron bended down on knee proposing included "Dumb b****, will you marry me? I love you and I know I trusted you to take care of my children and you blew it, bigtime, but I still love ya and even though I can't step foot back in that trailer because I am reminded of Haleigh, I want to marry YOU, the person who slept through a pedo coming in the home and taking my daughter even though she was just feet away from you.....just don't let it happen with Jr, kay hotstuff?" :sneaky:

moo


This is just too funny!

[Texas48]

I just joined this board, but it looks like a few are running the board and if you don't agree then you get reported? Is that how this board works?No..that is NOT correct. What was posted is against TOS.

[Motomom]

Is there a PC at 2:00?

I thought there was. I hope I wasn't either hearing wrong or reading wrong.. If i was I apologize, but I thought I read it earlier.

[mustangtoni]

Are we sure there is a presser...? I sure hope so...But...the previous PC's revealed very little...LE just hasn't been saying anything...


Multi-agency press conference on Haleigh abduction case scheduled for 2 p.m.

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer


Published: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.

Representatives of various law enforcement agencies and a Jacksonville-based group that assists crime victims plan to meet in Putnam County Tuesday regarding the reward in the case of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.
Members of the FBI, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Crime Stoppers and the Justice Coalition as well as the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will participate in a press conference set for 2 p.m., officials reported.
A reward in the case now is set at $26,500.
The Justice Coalition “works hard to reach out to victims, the community, law enforcement, legislators, the faith-based organizations and local officials,” according to the agency’s Web site at www.justicecoalition.org. It provides crisis intervention for victims, educates victims about their rights, accompanies them to court, and assists in publicizing rewards for unsolved murder and missing persons cases.
Haleigh disappeared last month from her Satsuma home. She had been at the residence with her brother and her father’s fiancee, Misty Croslin. The 17-year-old discovered Haleigh missing from the home when she got up early on Feb. 10 to go to the bathroom.
Officers so far have reported no leads as to the child’s whereabouts.
Anyone with information about Haleigh is asked to contact Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...00964&tc=yahoo

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[ICE]

I'm amazed that LE has nothing to offer after a month. Reguardless if this was an inside job, a kidnapping, a hoax, whatever......they should have SOMETHING to go on.

Maybe it's time for LE to pass this case on to another group for a fresh start, and a fresh look at this case from the beginning.

[Texas48]

That *unhappy* poster had pletny to say when she attacked posters instead of the posts. When someone makes a decision to leave, why is it they need to announce it? Why not just log off? Around here seems like its a free for all when the subject of Crystal comes up, but oh boy when someone questions Ron, we get accused of bashing.

moolol...lol..I think when the "unhappy poster" announces they are leaving they stay around and see what everyones reaction will be. jmo

[IlliniFan]

Multi-agency press conference on Haleigh abduction case scheduled for 2 p.m.

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer


Published: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.

Representatives of various law enforcement agencies and a Jacksonville-based group that assists crime victims plan to meet in Putnam County Tuesday regarding the reward in the case of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.
Members of the FBI, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Crime Stoppers and the Justice Coalition as well as the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will participate in a press conference set for 2 p.m., officials reported.
A reward in the case now is set at $26,500.
The Justice Coalition “works hard to reach out to victims, the community, law enforcement, legislators, the faith-based organizations and local officials,” according to the agency’s Web site at www.justicecoalition.org. It provides crisis intervention for victims, educates victims about their rights, accompanies them to court, and assists in publicizing rewards for unsolved murder and missing persons cases.
Haleigh disappeared last month from her Satsuma home. She had been at the residence with her brother and her father’s fiancee, Misty Croslin. The 17-year-old discovered Haleigh missing from the home when she got up early on Feb. 10 to go to the bathroom.
Officers so far have reported no leads as to the child’s whereabouts.
Anyone with information about Haleigh is asked to contact Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...00964&tc=yahoo

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Fantastic..Thanks so much!!

[Jpanda]

I'm amazed that LE has nothing to offer after a month. Reguardless if this was an inside job, a kidnapping, a hoax, whatever......they should have SOMETHING to go on.

Maybe it's time for LE to pass this case on to another group for a fresh start, and a fresh look at this case from the beginning.

I reluctantly agree. I understand about "keeping things close to the vest," but I don't think they even have anything to keep close to the vest, and if they do, they should release it. This scares me. How can the public help if the public has nothing to go off of??

jmo

[odyssey]

wish LE would let us know what it is that is missing :angry:

I think it is a special or favored cup of Haleigh's. It is something that would be noticed while cleaning (and it fits my theory :) ).

Seriously though it may be something that LE knows and is keeping close to their vest to cut down on false information/false confessions, etc.

jmoo

[penguinlady]

We don't know how bad Haleigh's asthma is. She may not need the nebulizer all the time. My ds went through a time that he needed a neb when he would catch a bad cold. He hasn't needed it in a couple of years.


K

[?noanswer]

Hey all. :) Here's to hoping little Haleigh is found today!

I have to go to work soon but I wanted to post about her asthma, nebulizer, and inhaler since I have asthma, also.

Granted, asthma can be different for everybody but my general knowledge is that it only comes in episodes. For instance, if she is allergic to anything (i.e. cats, dogs, dust, etc.) then that can spark an asthma attack and then she would need her inhaler and/or nebulizer. Also, for some, any heavy extracurricular activities (such as running) can cause for trouble breathing. For me, I only use my nebulizer if I am constantly having to use my inhaler. The nebulizer, for me, is used every 4 hours until I feel that I am good (good meaning that I feel my chest is clear and/or not tight anymore, or I am no longer wheezing).

As for the inhaler, it highly varies. Some people use certain inhalers DAILY to prevent asthma attacks. I have two different inhalers; one for daily use as a preventative and one that is straight albuterol for when I am having an asthma attack and I need a quick dose.

I just wanted to state this so everyone is clear on what they are used for/needed for, etc. Also, because it does make me wonder if one of these things could be what is missing and should be with Haleigh. It's highly likely, IMO.

Hopefully we hear something important at today's PC.

Most of the above is MOO.


I did not see RC smoking in the pictures with Haleigh (doesn't mean he wasn't, I just didn't see it). Maybe he didn't smoke around her because of the Asthma. JMO

[ICE]

I reluctantly agree. I understand about "keeping things close to the vest," but I don't think they even have anything to keep close to the vest, and if they do, they should release it. This scares me. How can the public help if the public has nothing to go off of??

jmo

It's frustrating. To me it seems it can only be two things. 1) an inside job because Ron's "always locked" door was not locked, or opened from the inside. 2) someone had a key, or Misty isn't be truthful about the door.

[Owlface]

C'mon, are you serious? I understand the point of not passing judgement and suffice to say, I am not as good as a lot of people on here are of not judging. I do try my best and as baffling as this case is, I think people have gone extremely easy on Ron, given everything he has shown to us thus far. But if you really want it laid out, here is what he DIDN'T do:

1. He didn't pick up his cell phone when Misty was calling him the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Makes no difference to me if he was 20 minutes of 1 minute away from home, at that time of night you ALWAYS answer your phone. Ron himself stated he was surprised to see Misty waiting for him as he pulled up to the mh, why wouldn't he be equally surprised to receive a phone call from her?

2. He didn't help 911, not a bit. Instead he screamed, yelled, cursed and all but threw a full blown temper tantrum, which in my opinion should be labeled obstruction of justice. He also made sure to include his alibi first and foremost, as well as Misty giving her alibi immediately.

3. He wouldn't come out of his tent to talk to reporters to plead for his daughter and keep her name and face out there, but he would travel 3 plus hours AWAY from his home to get two tat's, to chilis for a celebration dinner, to the courthouse, etc. Yet how often did he go out and search? And please don't tell me he was told not to search, there are no links to verify that and he!! would freeze over before I'd take any extra time for *me* before finding my daughter.

I'd keep the list rolling, but I don't want to bore the rest of the posters. I think it's admirable that given all the information on Ron, you still back him. I am not saying Ron had anything to do with Haleigh missing, but I am saying his behavior is dispicable at best with reference to supposedly loving his heart (Haleigh) so very much as to getting engaged and married all in a matter of days. Where's the focus again?:confused:

moo

Bolding mine - as soon as I heard his behavior on the 911 call my antenna went up. To me it was like he knew someone took her to retaliate against him and he was threatening them. NOTHING he has said since then as changed my opinion of him. I am totally not impressed by his crying and his saying he loves Haleigh blah blah blah. All I see in his behavior is his guilty feelings. JMHO

[Texas48]

You summed up my feelings as well.
And I am gona sit right btw you and Former Bratlings. I just don't have the words today. I am still NOT believing what this pair is doing. Too many theories going through my head as to where Haleigh is at.

[ICE]

Look around. It happens a lot.

My red and my opinions.

Because something happens alot does NOT make it right. IE: Murder, stealing, statutory rape....

[?noanswer]

I believe in the video of the home there was a toddler bed frame in another bedroom, the bedframe the mattress came off of

I saw one in the video that was shown on NG. I was thinking if they were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they would have put the mattress back on the frame and said she was taken from that room. JMO

[ICE]

Snipped for space..

"1. He didn't pick up his cell phone when Misty was calling him the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Makes no difference to me if he was 20 minutes of 1 minute away from home, at that time of night you ALWAYS answer your phone. Ron himself stated he was surprised to see Misty waiting for him as he pulled up to the mh, why wouldn't he be equally surprised to receive a phone call from her?"


Great point. Put yourself in that same situation, and your GF/wife/BF/Husband calls your cell at 3 am. Who would NOT answer the phone????? You would assume it's important if it comes at that time! Odd....

[Themis]

Yesterday The Today Show had a segment on Haleigh Cummings.

Ronald Cummings is briefly seen and heard while doing a mini-tour of the mobile home.

As he approaches Haleigh's bedroom, Ronald Cummings stops at the doorway and says:

"The bedroom, [sniffle] where she used to reside."

WTH?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhMjdm2KstE

[JMO]

[playnice]

Is this PC today just to inform people about the reward money increasing?

[5boxersmom]

I saw one in the video that was shown on NG. I was thinking if they were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they would have put the mattress back on the frame and said she was taken from that room. JMO

Excellent point. Or could it be because Teresa would have known that Haleigh would not sleep in her own room?

Oh how I wish Haleigh could be found safe.

imo

[ICE]

Bold mine..

Many hours behind here, sorry, wanted to comment here...

So what you're saying is they're not allowed to hope Haleigh may come home and participate in another ceremony?

TN isn't allowed a dinner for her birthday?

No one should ever smile or have a good time ever again?

You CAN be crushed, hurt, sorrowful and afraid you'll never see your daughter again....but you can find relief, even for a few minutes.

This is not unreasonable folks.






I disagree. Timing is everything. One month into a missing daughter case is not time enough to resume normal life.(My opinion). The public aspect of the tattoo and marriage is also wrong. It could have been done quietly, and AFTER this case was solved.

[Peaches]

Right, and bragged about how much cash he was pulling in via his missing daughter, talk about exploitation, what a thing to even talk about, how kewl! Have they registered at Target yet for wedding gifts? How about before getting a hideous tat, how about buying your daughter a bed frame for her bed so shes not laying on the floor?

Where are the priorities here?



Did you not see NG's show.............she has a bedframe.

Also................maybe just maybe Ron was telling these people how great/kind people were that they would not only give their time/food/service but money as well.

They did not go on tv to state anything. It was all hear say as most of what we are reading...............no I take that back..........most that is being posted on this bb is what people wonder/think.................

moo

[ICE]

I would actually go as far as saying that getting married NOW is so bizarre that it almost seems like an LE initiated event to piss someone out of hiding, or cause a major reaction of some kind.

[Jpanda]

I would actually go as far as saying that getting married NOW is so bizarre that it almost seems like an LE initiated event to piss someone out of hiding, or cause a major reaction of some kind.

I wish that were the case, I really do. Otherwise, this just makes no sense to me.

I guess I could see if they knew that Haleigh was deceased and then decided to get married, knowing that is what Haleigh would have wanted....but Haleigh is MISSING, fgs. Wouldn't they want to wait for her, if that is something she always wanted? ("always" being for the last 5 months, since Ron and Misty have only been dating for that long).

I just don't get it.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I would actually go as far as saying that getting married NOW is so bizarre that it almost seems like an LE initiated event to piss someone out of hiding, or cause a major reaction of some kind.

Nah, LE doesn't do that kind of thing. They're not wedding planners by any stretch. Plus, marriage is harder to get out of than it is to get in to and they don't want THAT on their hands.

I'd bet the farm that LE was just as shocked at the turn of events as we were.

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

Is there a link for this PC?

TIA

[Themis]

RC using the word reside? Come on, this is the same guy who used 'stole' instead of kidnapped.

Considering everything he has said to date why didn't he just say
This is Haleigh's bedroom.

GMAB [JMO]

[Politigal]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

[IlliniFan]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

[ICE]

Ron was using the media hardcore at first to beg for his child back, and then like a switch he stopped. maybe they know alot that we don't.

[kitty1182]

Is there a link for this PC?

TIA

http://www.wesh.com/video/18898963/index.html?treets=orl&tml=orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_1_12450103102009

[ICE]

Maybe they are and I have not heard, but it would seem LE would have had an eye on all the water areas near the home from the very start. That would be an obvious place if it were an inside job, or accident.

[Former Juror]

I specifically asked if this has been proven.

Is it time to start twisting and shouting again? If so, I'll just walk on by.

Is your last sentence against the rules??

Bratlings interpretation of my use of the word 'reportedly' is exactly right. I have heard it reported more than a few times that witnesses state Misty was not home in the trailer all night. I have no clue whether it is true or not; I simply posted what I had heard reported.

[crymeariver2006]

Hello??? Haven't all the players already been introduced - like a month ago?

:shrug:

[5boxersmom]

Wow. So this presser is to say Thank You and so and so is the greatest. :rolleyes:

imo

[Peaches]

Bold mine..

Many hours behind here, sorry, wanted to comment here...

So what you're saying is they're not allowed to hope Haleigh may come home and participate in another ceremony?

TN isn't allowed a dinner for her birthday?

No one should ever smile or have a good time ever again?

You CAN be crushed, hurt, sorrowful and afraid you'll never see your daughter again....but you can find relief, even for a few minutes.

This is not unreasonable folks.



Even at people's funeral, funny accounts of their lives are share/remember and people smile/laugh.

Sadness/hurt/denial/etc happens when you loose someone you can about................but, when someone shares something with you about memories they have of this loved one.............you often laugh out loud.

MOO is that the Cumming family still has hope that HaLeigh is alive.

Why would you give up when you do not know for sure?

Sure, many are telling them that odds are...............but, there is still that little light of hope to cling to.

When you loss someone you love, time helps but you will always feel the loss.............just not as strong........not all consuming. The Cumming family certainly are not there..............they are still looking/hoping/praying that HaLeigh will come home.

As do all of us.

MOO

[KKKKKKatie]

I missed the beginning...who is the woman talking?

[ICE]

No sound here, but Ron......if I didn't know better I would think he was suffering from a terminal disease, he looks so bad. I don't mean this as a criticism, this has really taken its toll on him. I have no idea whether it's grief or guilt, but something is eating at him for sure.


OMG! Totally! I was thinking of how he looked during the first two days, and NOW. He's evaporating.

[Speedy30]

No sound here, but Ron......if I didn't know better I would think he was suffering from a terminal disease, he looks so bad. I don't mean this as a criticism, this has really taken its toll on him. I have no idea whether it's grief or guilt, but something is eating at him for sure.

Maybe drug withdrawl?

[crymeariver2006]

I missed the beginning...who is the woman talking?


She's with the Justice Coalition. I'm sure somebody will come along with her name - it escapes me right now!

[Anakerie]

Ron was using the media hardcore at first to beg for his child back, and then like a switch he stopped. maybe they know alot that we don't.
How many interviews did Ron do after Geraldo pulled his garbage? I've been following this case since the start but have hesitated posting here because of all the disagreements. But, if it were my child missing and I were interviewed and attacked the way Ron has been, I would be extremely hesitant to put myself in the line of fire. I would let others in my family speak for me...

The focus needs to be on the missing child. Not on the parent's past.

[KKKKKKatie]

She's with the Justice Coalition. I'm sure somebody will come along with her name - it escapes me right now!

Thanks cry!

[bama__angel]

No sound here, but Ron......if I didn't know better I would think he was suffering from a terminal disease, he looks so bad. I don't mean this as a criticism, this has really taken its toll on him. I have no idea whether it's grief or guilt, but something is eating at him for sure.


Maybe it is both grief and guilt.............As a parent I could certainly understand both emotions in this tragedy.

[ICE]

How many interviews did Ron do after Geraldo pulled his garbage? I've been following this case since the start but have hesitated posting here because of all the disagreements. But, if it were my child missing and I were interviewed and attacked the way Ron has been, I would be extremely hesitant to put myself in the line of fire. I would let others in my family speak for me...

The focus needs to be on the missing child. Not on the parent's past.

I don't care WHO attacked me, if my kid was missing I would make a constant plea. Wouldn't you??

[Speedy30]

No, definately not, not from pot

Oh, I dont think hes withdrawing from pot.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Holy cow! Is that Ron's truck with the lettering "Only God Can Judge Me" in the back window?

:ohmy:

[5boxersmom]

He's singing I Feel Uncomfortable, LOL....never mind, I just wondered

LOL No it made me feel uncomfortable because it just seems out of place or odd. I don't know.

imo

[Anakerie]

I don't care WHO attacked me, if my kid was missing I would make a constant plea. Wouldn't you??
Of course I would... But, like I said, the focus needs to be on the MISSING CHILD and not on ME. That is what I would be h a m m e ring home and I am sure that the rest of my family would be doing as well. Plead for the return of the CHILD. Don't condemn the family.

And now that I've said that, I am going back to lurk mode.. This forum is too hostile.

[KKKKKKatie]

Holy cow! Is that Ron's truck with the lettering "Only God Can Judge Me" in the back window?

:ohmy:

I wondered the same thing.

The camera person is making me sea sick :blink:

[5boxersmom]

So was this to show that LE believes that Ron and Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance?

[Former Juror]

How many interviews did Ron do after Geraldo pulled his garbage? I've been following this case since the start but have hesitated posting here because of all the disagreements. But, if it were my child missing and I were interviewed and attacked the way Ron has been, I would be extremely hesitant to put myself in the line of fire. I would let others in my family speak for me...

The focus needs to be on the missing child. Not on the parent's past.

Ron's past is not as much of an issue for me as his current and future are, IMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

So was this to show that LE believes that Ron and Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance?

you got me boxer....I am :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

So was this to show that LE believes that Ron and Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance?

I'm not sure. They didn't say that.

I think the Justice Coalition arranged it (the PC) so hearing from the families would be THEIR top priority, not naming suspects or clearing people.

[RoxyWest]

Is the press conference over or not yet started. I've got video of people milling around but no real sound--I can hear mumbling and background noise but that's it.

[Motomom]

So was this to show that LE believes that Ron and Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance?

That's exactly how I took. I also think they may think she is alive? Did you get that impression or not? First coast cut out right when the officers were talking so I missed them.. Hoping someone will post if they said something worthwhile.

[Texas48]

RC using the word reside? Come on, this is the same guy who used 'stole' instead of kidnapped.

Considering everything he has said to date why didn't he just say
This is Haleigh's bedroom.

GMAB [JMO]You are good Themis. I had not caught that and I usually pick up on "words"....I gather many of MO from the demeanor and looking into the "eyes". I watched an interview w/Ron yesterday and he would say something and then slightly duck his head...something was just OFF. Also the 911 call...when I replay it my hinky meter starts twitching. KWIM..????? jmo

[IlliniFan]

I noticed and thought it was strange that not one LE official made eye contact with any of the family. They all maintained an upward gaze.

I think the Sheriff had on sunglasses, so I don't know who he might have been looking at, not that it matters. He did thank the family for their patience....I wonder if they have a clue what happened?

[Texas48]

I hope not, too, because I have eaten half a box of GS thin mint cookies waiting on pins and needles....:blushing:
lol...lol..lol..I think I ate the other half oceanviewnan. Thanks for sharing.:thumbup:

[ICE]

That's exactly how I took. I also think they may think she is alive? Did you get that impression or not? First coast cut out right when the officers were talking so I missed them.. Hoping someone will post if they said something worthwhile.


It sure would be alot easier to understand if LE cleared Ron and Misty, but they won't/don't.

[crymeariver2006]

That's exactly how I took. I also think they may think she is alive? Did you get that impression or not? First coast cut out right when the officers were talking so I missed them.. Hoping someone will post if they said something worthwhile.

I'm not boxer, but I didn't get that impression at all. IMO, it was just to announce a "who's who", update the reward, and give the families an open mic to plead for their daughter.

[sickntired]

I guess you mean order from India and such??

US online pharmacys require an rx, not sure about the offshore drug sites?

I know I need a script for my son's nebulizer meds. I even had to get a script to order fluids (lactaided ringers) for my cat who had kidney issues. :shrug:

[IlliniFan]

The Sheriff did not have on sunglasses. I would think if you are trying to assure the community and the family that you are doing your best that you would direct your comments to the family by at least looking at them once. They did not. They were there for presence and solidarity in solving this case, it was all about professionalism and that was it I feel.

Then who was the man w/sunglasses then??

[5boxersmom]

Who was the man in a suit who was standing with Ron after the presser was over? Was he LE?

In any other case has LE ever done a presser with the family if they suspected them?

[Texas48]

If you are so tired, can you please stop your babble? I am unable to get on the computer much lately and I sure seem to be reading alot of you attacking posters instead of posts. I am here for facts and don't have the time.

TYIAmrsmcgoo....just jump right in and start posting. I see no one stopping you. ALL on the board has opinions and today is the day we are posting them.

[ICE]

Referring to the mother of a missing child as an "oven warmer" is about as vulgar as you can get.

IMO

I agree. :angry:

[KKKKKKatie]

Referring to the mother of a missing child as an "oven warmer" is about as vulgar as you can get.

IMO

Yep....it sure is IMO

[Speedy30]

First of all, THAT happens every day of the year....somewhere.

Two, a missing child and a dead spouse? Apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges, seriously?

Dead spouse, missing kid, 30 days, lets get engaged at Chillis, and get my underage wife to bes mom sign her away?

To me, death is final, if I knew my child was dead, at least I would know, this is a missing child, how can you party and celebrate when your little girl could be getting raped everyday by a pedo? Its worse than death, to me anyways.

[KKKKKKatie]

Whew, I'll say, that took me by surprise

It didn't surprise me one bit

[Deb7]

Nope, just report it like I did. Dont fall for the baiting... It is not worthy of the response.

Thanks Brat! Good advice. :)

[Peaches]

I see that you added MOO so you didn't have to add a link, but I would really like to see a link to the 2 items: (which I also bolded in your post)
Was to appear in court day Haleigh went missing.
Oven warmer had life insurance on a child she did NOT care about.

I had not heard that anywhere or read it or watched it.
Anyone else heard these 2 things?


I read earlier on this bb that although Crystal can not pay child support, she does have life insurance on both children.

Yes...............HaLeigh went missing the night before or day before Crystal was suppose to go to court for not paying child support.

I know that some here can post links..................but both statements are true.

Since I do not have the links..............moo

[KKKKKKatie]

That's as disturbing to me (the lettering on the truck) as what Misty has posted on her Myspace page

I have never been in their shoes (thank God) but I can't imagine caring one bit what anyone thought of me (besides LE) at a time like this.

But then I am in my 60"s so maybe that just comes with maturity.

Still........

[Peaches]

Ok Speedy30, lets bring this up to speed. I don't know about any exploitation.
She has a bed frame.
Maybe you could register them at Target.
jmo


Someone last night posted that they wanted to send the a gift.............and maybe their family will want to give them gifts and wish them well.

I hope that I am NEVER in this situation so I am not going to any try to say what I would do.

I do know that I have been told to not judge anyone unless I have walked in their shoes. I really try to do this.

MOO



Also, want to say...............that it take more than giving birth to a child to be a mother.

MOO

[odyssey]

Going on your words, it might depend. Do we know if she was high or drinking that night??
People have posted on here that they have forgotten to lock doors. They have fell asleep watching their grandchild and never heard the parents come in and put child to bed.
Just because there was no curtain up, doesn't give anyone the right to come in and take a child. If its proven Misty had nothing to do with Haleighs disappearance, then lets put the blame where it belongs. On the person who took her.
jmo

After reading the original complaint, in my opinion, if Misty was drunk or high or appeared to be it would have been noted on the police report. I'm certain others may(will) disagree, but that seems to be something worth noting and is typically noted on reports I have read when that is the case.

jmoo

[Peaches]

That is rumor about the life insurance and as far as the court thing it was filed only a week before Haleigh went missing. The notice was served a day before she dissapeared to Ron. No word when Crystal was served she lived in a different county so likely not as fast as Ron. She was not scheduled to be in court that day. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3


Also kidnapping Haleigh would not get her out of what she owed, if H. is dead she still owes it. Besides all of that, child support on two children is only 1 or 2 percentages higher than one in most States. So killing one off would not help her.



I know about she still owes her child support unless that woman who is giving her money has paid it already...............

The most important thing for me is ..............bring HaLeigh home!

Wonder why the LE held the PC?

[crymeariver2006]

This made me laugh............my gs (age 5) likes to call people Duke no matter who he is talking to. His father does not allow it ..............

But, you just called a grandmother "Dude."


:ohmy:

Yeah, well that grandmother just referred to the mother of a missing child as an "oven warmer". Is that okay?

Would you allow your grandson to talk like that?

Didn't think so.

[playnice]

Work and my boss interrupted me so Im trying to read about this PC and Im :confused:
Would someone just post the highlights of the PC? Do they yet have a clue what happened to Haleigh?

[KKKKKKatie]

My point and "sperm donor has been thrown all around IS boards in reference to men who don't take their responsibility for being a dad.MOO
Must add that MOO so it makes it OK to BAsh.

Then I would think that calling Crystal an oven warmer would be just as distasteful to you....but apparently not IMO

:confused:

[ICE]

I'm trying to think of a scenerio where Haleigh could be kept alive. I KNOW it's not easy to handle a five year old for long, especially if you are not a common figure to her. I tend to wonder if there is female help involved in some way.........(assumming she's alive.)

[ICE]

Holy Moly....are we taking sides as far as opinions now?

Let me know so I know where to stand. :unsure:

[KKKKKKatie]

Can someone tell me the channel for the Presser?

I am on HLN and it is not on????

it's over and it wasn't really a presser

[HI_CYCLE]

There are a lot of god Mother's and father's in this world. Time to give both sides credit. Parenting is not easy.
Ron has proved through video's posted on here, he is a good father and loves his children dearly. He has stood up and been a man and I give him much credit for that. Children can change a person and make them look at the world with different thoughts. I think this is exactly what it done for Ronald...

[KKKKKKatie]

Holy Moly....are we taking sides as far as opinions now?

Let me know so I know where to stand. :unsure:


Come stand on top of the fence with me :biggrin:

[ICE]

I don't have a problem with Crystal at all. To me she's alot less abrasive then Ron is.

[playnice]

Can someone tell me the channel for the Presser?

I am on HLN and it is not on????

I wish someone would just tell me what happened.:shrug:

[Ice Cycle]

About the Presser

Late responding to this as working. This is just my opinion and not meaning to sound cold but it is not the Academy Awards that everyone needs to be thanked especially not until the investigation is complete. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to me but it is not about who can grief the most or putting them on spectacle for proof. Also I could be wrong but I could never see myself begging any trash to bring my child home and extremely doubtful even if alive that she would be watching TV.
All efforts and energy should be about finding that child.

[KKKKKKatie]

I wish someone would just tell me what happened.:shrug:


Basically a thank you to LE, FBI etc then Ron and Crystal spoke briefly to beg for Haleigh's return then they let balloons go. Nothing about the state of the case

[ICE]

There are a lot of god Mother's and father's in this world. Time to give both sides credit. Parenting is not easy.
Ron has proved through video's posted on here, he is a good father and loves his children dearly. He has stood up and been a man and I give him much credit for that. Children can change a person and make them look at the world with different thoughts. I think this is exactly what it done for Ronald...

I don't know if he is a "good" father. He seems to love his kids deeply. I guess we would have to know for sure if he had a gun/drug argument to know if he's a good father, right?

[Peaches]

Peaches, I always breathe a sigh of relief when you come on board. That sweet, calming voice of reason. :wub:



Thank you so much!

Now.............if I could only live up to this or as someone I worked with would say................I wish I resembled this! :wub:

[ICE]

Come stand on top of the fence with me :biggrin:


cool. You always seem to be a rational human. :biggrin:

[KKKKKKatie]

Basically nothing....nothing new anyway, some guy sang but I don't ahev speakers and don't know what song he sang. (Sorry, inside joke only I get it). Just trying to introduce a little levity here.

LOL I forgot all about the singer in my post

[KKKKKKatie]

cool. You always seem to be a rational human. :biggrin:


I try :wink:

[playnice]

Basically a thank you to LE, FBI etc then Ron and Crystal spoke briefly to beg for Haleigh's return then they let balloons go. Nothing about the state of the case

Well good. Im glad they both were there and pleaded for Haleighs return.
TY.

[crymeariver2006]

Basically nothing....nothing new anyway, some guy sang but I don't ahev speakers and don't know what song he sang. (Sorry, inside joke only I get it). Just trying to introduce a little levity here.


Ah, yes. That sound system was NOT made for music, kept cutting in and out, and then real loud crackles. I had heard the song before and it's really pretty, but the sound today absolutely did not do it justice.

And that's all I've got to say about that.

[Ice Cycle]

Give us a break! Videos posted online of personal pictures does not prove you are a good man or father. If he is as heartbroken and devastated as you claim how was he able to put all that together from his tent by the way? I doubt he had anything to do with it. :rolleyes:

Agree- See Casey A videos and pictures.

[KKKKKKatie]

I didn't see Misty, was she there?


yes...she was sitting next to Ron

[Motomom]

I'm trying to think of a scenerio where Haleigh could be kept alive. I KNOW it's not easy to handle a five year old for long, especially if you are not a common figure to her. I tend to wonder if there is female help involved in some way.........(assumming she's alive.)

Interesting thought ICE. You could be right if she's still alive.

[ICE]

I am, also, trying to imagine a scenario where she might be being "held" somewhere, unless it's by someone who she knows, the chances seem highly unlilkely

yeah...it does seem unlikely now. I would think a ransom would have been requested if she was being kept alive. I don't think "Payback" would have lasted this long.

[Peaches]

Holy Moly....are we taking sides as far as opinions now?

Let me know so I know where to stand. :unsure:


No............just post your opinions...................I guess but I certainly am not the boss on this board...........no where near it.

moo:blushing:

[crymeariver2006]

yes...she was sitting next to Ron

I noticed she looked like she couldn't be bothered.

IMO

[Speedy30]

I didn't see Misty, was she there?

Probably picking out the dinner menu for the reception.

[Remy]

Maybe? But as far as I know the legitimate online pharmacies based in the US require a script..

Plus if a kidnapper was buying albuterol from an offshore phamacy they still need an address and credit card, not to mention the 2 -3 week delivery time??

I know I'm way behind but you cannot buy it from a legitimate pharmacy online in Canada without a script. They may say they are in Canada but our FDA is pretty strict on medications and naproxin (Aleve) is not available here without a script.

I know I need one for albuterol. moo

[crymeariver2006]

Agree- See Casey A videos and pictures.

And Susan Smith, Michael Peterson, Scott Peterson.......

All looked very happy and like perfect mothers, perfect spouses....

[KKKKKKatie]

I noticed she looked like she couldn't be bothered.

IMO


I did see her crying when they were all standing over by the white truck after Ron spoke

[IlliniFan]

I know I'm way behind but you cannot buy it from a legitimate pharmacy online in Canada without a script. They may say they are in Canada but our FDA is pretty strict on medications and naproxin (Aleve) is not available here without a script.

I know I need one for albuterol. moo

yes I need a script, too...I just use an inhaler, not a nebulizer. (allergies/asthma is the pits..lol)

[mrsmcgoo]

The missing item has not been identified yet has it?

If it is the breathing machine, I would think that only someone close who knows about Haleigh's illness and cares about her would have taken it with her.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I did see her crying when they were all standing over by the white truck after Ron spoke

Looked like she was smoking to me...but I'll defer to your better eyesight.

:biggrin:

I did notice her move over to Ron's seat after Crystal's mom and the other lady helped Crystal to the side. That's when she looked like she couldn't be bothered with all this cryin' stuff.

[crymeariver2006]

And that grandmom was called a chick. No big deal on either.
jmo

Uh, that's not even close to comparison.

[IlliniFan]

The missing item has not been identified yet has it?

If it is the breathing machine, I would think that only someone close who knows about Haleigh's illness and cares about her would have taken it with her.

JMO

No it hasn't...someone thought they saw a nebulizer in a video of the home...I agree though, a kidnapper wouldn't care about the need for medication, only someone who loves/cares about her...

[ICE]

Uh, that's not even close to comparison.


Wow. Is "chick" bad?

[KKKKKKatie]

Wow. Is "chick" bad?

At my age I wish someone would call me a chick :laugh:

[HI_CYCLE]

About the Presser

Late responding to this as working. This is just my opinion and not meaning to sound cold but it is not the Academy Awards that everyone needs to be thanked especially not until the investigation is complete. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to me but it is not about who can grief the most or putting them on spectacle for proof. Also I could be wrong but I could never see myself begging any trash to bring my child home and extremely doubtful even if alive that she would be watching TV.
All efforts and energy should be about finding that child.Ice, could you please clarify a couple statements in your post?
(1)" Also I could be wrong but I could never see myself begging any trash to bring my child home "
(2)"extremely doubtful even if alive that she would be watching TV."
Are you suggesting it is a she that took Haleigh?

[Peaches]

Bold and underline mine:

You mean the 'mother' who doesn't/won't work to send court ordered support to her 2 children with Ron?

The 'mother' who seems to have started a whole new life and family?

The 'mother' who hasn't tried to have the custody of her children with Ron reversed in a court of law? In how many years?

The 'mother' who has publicly trashed her missing daughter's father on national news programs?

The 'mother' who put her 4 year old child on Geraldo to repeat a story that .... in the first place could have put him in harms way and.... two is a no no in any true loving mother's view?

THAT "real genuine loving" mother?

Surely you jest?





You are correct about these things.

Many women work while they are expecting their children and go right back to work after the birth of their children.

Most would rather stay at home with a new baby but because it is necessary in order to support their family to work they go.

Many mothers do not feel they owe their children much............seeing your children every 2 weeks for 2 days and not calling in between is just unreal to me. Making the choice to not pay child support is never excused by me.............be it man or woman. There is NO excuse. MOO

As I have said before, I know if someone had my children I would live as near as I could so that I could share their everyday life...............I would never fade away and be satisfied with 4 days a month.

Children need shelter/food/clothes/just stuff and lots of love. In order to have all these things both parents must be willing to forget what they want in order to give to them.............unless you are very wealthy.

To me, Crystal has not learned from her mistakes. She left one person with whom she had 2 children for another and had another child............both without marrying first. I am really old fashion...........but in my book this is backwards.

I can see the first child.............but this to me seems to be the norm for Crystal.............being engaged without a wedding date is really funny to me especially since she already has this second family already started. moo

It takes more than giving birth to be a mother.........or a father. moo

Did I read that she missed visiting the children because of things she had to do??????????????? Did she miss the visit that she should have had not too soon before HaLeigh went missing?

All moo

[crymeariver2006]

Wow. Is "chick" bad?

Nope, not in my opinion.

:shrug:

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks, I was so focused on how terrible Ron looks I didn't even notice her.


He does look really bad :sad:

[mrsmcgoo]

No it hasn't...someone thought they saw a nebulizer in a video of the home...I agree though, a kidnapper wouldn't care about the need for medication, only someone who loves/cares about her...

TY! I wish it would be confirmed, it makes a huge difference if it is indeed the nebulizer.

[5boxersmom]

He does look really bad :sad:

Yes he does but Misty does not.

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes he does but Misty does not.

imo

agreed....hard for me to get past yesterday's pictures of her all happy *sigh*

[ICE]

Nope, not in my opinion.

:shrug:

Thanks chicky. ooops....:laugh:

[Deb7]

That is rumor about the life insurance and as far as the court thing it was filed only a week before Haleigh went missing. The notice was served a day before she dissapeared to Ron. No word when Crystal was served she lived in a different county so likely not as fast as Ron. She was not scheduled to be in court that day. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3


Also kidnapping Haleigh would not get her out of what she owed, if H. is dead she still owes it. Besides all of that, child support on two children is only 1 or 2 percentages higher than one in most States. So killing one off would not help her.

Thanks again for that info Bratlings! I agree, and know for a fact that some people have child support to pay in general, and it is not PER child.

[crymeariver2006]

agreed....hard for me to get past yesterday's pictures of her all happy *sigh*

How did he look yesterday? (I couldn't get the video to play).

[Peaches]

About the Presser

Late responding to this as working. This is just my opinion and not meaning to sound cold but it is not the Academy Awards that everyone needs to be thanked especially not until the investigation is complete. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to me but it is not about who can grief the most or putting them on spectacle for proof. Also I could be wrong but I could never see myself begging any trash to bring my child home and extremely doubtful even if alive that she would be watching TV.
All efforts and energy should be about finding that child.


ICE..............I agree that we will all have to watch this until we know who is responsible.

I pray this never happens to either of us, Ice, but I would not want to be in front of a camera......................with people trashing me for what I said or did not say..............if I cried just right............or if I smiled and should not have.

Just a mess.................

I just want HaLeigh found. I want the person(s) responsible to be held accountable.

moo

[ICE]

I'm not surprised that Misty seems happy. She's 17, and more than likely younger in her mind. I'm sure she fells bad about Haleigh, but a 17 year old thats only known the girl a short time would be over it pretty fast as compared to the Dad or real mom. Thats just life.

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks chicky. ooops....:laugh:

:ohmy:

No you di...int!

:lol:

[KKKKKKatie]

How did he look yesterday? (I couldn't get the video to play).


Only saw him in video outside the court house...he looked mad but I suspect it was because the press was there and Misty was talking to them

[5boxersmom]

agreed....hard for me to get past yesterday's pictures of her all happy *sigh*

I know. Something is just not right. Maybe the reason they had the presser today and raised the reward is they are trying to get someone to roll over on Misty.

imo

[ICE]

Only saw him in video outside the court house...he looked mad but I suspect it was because the press was there and Misty was talking to them

he looks so gaunt. You can see the toll this has taken on him. I don't know how I would last in this situation, but I know I wouldn't pop the question or get a tattoo......yet.

[Ice Cycle]

Ice, could you please clarify a couple statements in your post?
(1)" Also I could be wrong but I could never see myself begging any trash to bring my child home "
(2)"extremely doubtful even if alive that she would be watching TV."
Are you suggesting it is a she that took Haleigh?

Sorry was in a hurry and did not edit well, probably should of said "Also it is extremely doubtful even if Haleigh is alive that she would be watching TV to here their replies. Not that I so much think it is wrong they reach out to her just that the focus should be more on finding her, than TV appearances.

[Texas48]

Someone last night posted that they wanted to send the a gift.............and maybe their family will want to give them gifts and wish them well.

I hope that I am NEVER in this situation so I am not going to any try to say what I would do.

I do know that I have been told to not judge anyone unless I have walked in their shoes. I really try to do this.

MOO



Also, want to say...............that it take more than giving birth to a child to be a mother.

MOOAt the end of your post you talk about judging others...but then you go on and say"it take more than giving birth to a child to be a mother." Are you talking about Crystal?????? Please give your opinion on how Misty will be a "good" mother.

[mrsmcgoo]

I know. Something is just not right. Maybe the reason they had the presser today and raised the reward is they are trying to get someone to roll over on Misty.

imo

:smile: Now here is a chick!! lol

I am so confused about this case! No clear guilty party, at least not as glaring as Casey. I think so much of the inappropriate behaviour is age, but I wonder why her parents or those close to Ron and Misty don't explain this to them. Or maybe the LE knows how inappropriate their actions are and they are giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

JMO

[Texas48]

Holy Moly....are we taking sides as far as opinions now?

Let me know so I know where to stand. :unsure:Just show me the way. Don't loose me.:wub:ALL

[Speedy30]

At the end of your post you talk about judging others...but then you go on and say"it take more than giving birth to a child to be a mother." Are you talking about Crystal?????? Please give your opinion on how Misty will be a "good" mother.

You dont think Misty is lucky? She doesn't even have to go through birth and pregnancy, she gets an instant made family, plus a probable other child with another teenage girl, she sure is lucky!

Not only that, she was the caretaker when Rons daughter was allegedly abducted!

Then its time for a wedding! It seems to me they know Haleigh isn't coming home.

jmo

[Peaches]

Yes he does but Misty does not.

imo



HaLeigh is his daughter..............his heart.

No one can love your child like a true parent. moo There is always a little difference when it comes to stepchildren...............you can love them as much - just not quite the same. moo

[Texas48]

There are a lot of god Mother's and father's in this world. Time to give both sides credit. Parenting is not easy.
Ron has proved through video's posted on here, he is a good father and loves his children dearly. He has stood up and been a man and I give him much credit for that. Children can change a person and make them look at the world with different thoughts. I think this is exactly what it done for Ronald...But you must admit HI_Cycle...photos and videos can be deceiving from time to time..Sometimes we just never know about "people."

[ICE]

:smile: Now here is a chick!! lol

I am so confused about this case! No clear guilty party, at least not as glaring as Casey. I think so much of the inappropriate behaviour is age, but I wonder why her parents or those close to Ron and Misty don't explain this to them. Or maybe the LE knows how inappropriate their actions are and they are giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

JMO


I'm with you. It's maddening! Not only no clear ANYTHING, but not even a clue or two to think about at this point. It's disturbing how the LE and all involved seem almost...umm....non-chalant about everything. No sense of urgency. I don't think they have said this is a recovery yet, have they?

[5boxersmom]

:smile: Now here is a chick!! lol

I am so confused about this case! No clear guilty party, at least not as glaring as Casey. I think so much of the inappropriate behaviour is age, but I wonder why her parents or those close to Ron and Misty don't explain this to them. Or maybe the LE knows how inappropriate their actions are and they are giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

JMO

:biggrin: Your funny.

This is a strange case too. Maybe you are right about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Well, that's understandable, she's newly engaged and has a wedding to plan

Of course. :wink:

[crymeariver2006]

HaLeigh is his daughter..............his heart.

No one can love your child like a true parent. moo There is always a little difference when it comes to stepchildren...............you can love them as much - just not quite the same. moo

So it stands to reason that Crystal can also love her children even though she does not have custody of them.

Oh, and that "his heart" description came straight from Crystal.

It seems to have caught on.

[bama__angel]

I'm with you. It's maddening! Not only no clear ANYTHING, but not even a clue or two to think about at this point. It's disturbing how the LE and all involved seem almost...umm....non-chalant about everything. No sense of urgency. I don't think they have said this is a recovery yet, have they?


I dont know if LE would refer to this as a recovery ever.....I think that LE knows and has stated that the length of time she has been missing makes it more probable that something very very bad has happened to this little girl.....No links....IMO

[ICE]

:biggrin: Your funny.

This is a strange case too. Maybe you are right about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves.

imo

That would be a good plan, but gosh....I would HOPE LE could have broken the 17 year old down without having to play too many games?

[5boxersmom]

HaLeigh is his daughter..............his heart.

No one can love your child like a true parent. moo There is always a little difference when it comes to stepchildren...............you can love them as much - just not quite the same. moo

True. If a child disappeared on my watch I would be so upset and ate up with guilt. I would be begging on the tv for her/his return not talking about my engagement.

imo

[ICE]

I dont know if LE would refer to this as a recovery ever.....I think that LE knows and has stated that the length of time she has been missing makes it more probable that something very very bad has happened to this little girl.....No links....IMO


I don't believe a word you say without a LINK!!!!! hehehe...teasing...teasing..:laugh:

[mrsmcgoo]

I'm with you. It's maddening! Not only no clear ANYTHING, but not even a clue or two to think about at this point. It's disturbing how the LE and all involved seem almost...umm....non-chalant about everything. No sense of urgency. I don't think they have said this is a recovery yet, have they?

You are right in my opinion about the non-chalant behaviour, and truly, this could mean they know more, the LE anyway. I pray everyday that they will make a big announcement about a break and they have found Haliegh, it is all so surreal or something.

JMO

[playnice]

I'm with you. It's maddening! Not only no clear ANYTHING, but not even a clue or two to think about at this point. It's disturbing how the LE and all involved seem almost...umm....non-chalant about everything. No sense of urgency. I don't think they have said this is a recovery yet, have they?

Its scary to think this could end up like the Ramsey case and 10-20 years later still not have a clue what happened. This even worse because no body has been found.

Usually their are some indicators pointing you a certain way. Casey good example of that .
Here, every one is a suspect. Family-both sides. 45 RSO. Cousin Joe. Someone with a grudge. Scam. And not one piece of evidence that we know of to lead LE down a road that may find Haleigh.
Whew.

[DenVIP]

Has anyone in local media pressed LE for answers this week....you know asked them to respond.....because it appears there aren't

[HI_CYCLE]

Sorry was in a hurry and did not edit well, probably should of said "Also it is extremely doubtful even if Haleigh is alive that she would be watching TV to here their replies. Not that I so much think it is wrong they reach out to her just that the focus should be more on finding her, than TV appearances.ty....I think the TV appearance is for sure not Ronald's. He hate`s the camera's. I think he is doing it because he is being advise he needs to be speaking to keep his daughter's face in the news.

[crymeariver2006]

That would be a good plan, but gosh....I would HOPE LE could have broken the 17 year old down without having to play too many games?

What's to break down? All she has to do is continue to spout "I was asleep", "I just woke up", "She was laying next to me", "I covered her with a sheet", "Her blanket smelled like pee", "I never use that door", "I was exhausted"......

:shrug:


Oh yeah, I almost forgot, "Look at Joe the Cousin, he uses cinder blocks in ALL his crimes! Yeah, that's the ticket!", "I didn't do 'it', look at Cousin Joe!"

[Texas48]

Looked like she was smoking to me...but I'll defer to your better eyesight.

:biggrin:

I did notice her move over to Ron's seat after Crystal's mom and the other lady helped Crystal to the side. That's when she looked like she couldn't be bothered with all this cryin' stuff.She must have been ready to go...makings arrangements and all..ya know..

[aproudmom]

Oh boy alot of talk over here I think I will just come back later and see if it is still open bye for now hope to be able to post later on:seeya:

[missinglink]

HaLeigh is his daughter..............his heart.

No one can love your child like a true parent. moo There is always a little difference when it comes to stepchildren...............you can love them as much - just not quite the same. moo


That just reminded me of lyrics I heard in a song once..."I could have loved you BETTER but I could not have loved you MORE". I think most of us, from time to time, could have loved people in a better way, but, at the same time, I couldn't have loved them more than what I already did...because it was the most.

[5boxersmom]

That would be a good plan, but gosh....I would HOPE LE could have broken the 17 year old down without having to play too many games?

I don't know. Maybe it isn't Misty? Of course LE could never crack Casey Anthony.

imo

[HI_CYCLE]

TY! I wish it would be confirmed, it makes a huge difference if it is indeed the nebulizer.LE is aware of what is missing and that is what counts right...

[sickntired]

How did he look yesterday? (I couldn't get the video to play).

I know you weren't asking me...but he seemed to avoid the cameras and just headed for his truck and the courthouse. Misty had to run to catch up to him. Of course he was just as thin as he was today. I'm sure he's hurting terribly....which is why a lot of us can't understand why get married now....will his heart really be in it. My mind would be elsewhere...Haighley.

[bama__angel]

I don't believe a word you say without a LINK!!!!! hehehe...teasing...teasing..:laugh:



Sometimes I cant even believe what I've just said lol......

[Peaches]

So it stands to reason that Crystal can also love her children even though she does not have custody of them.

Oh, and that "his heart" description came straight from Crystal.

It seems to have caught on.


You are correct, Cyrstal probably does love her children............but, she does not feel the need to help support them.

To me there is NO excuse for this whether it be man or woman. When you bring into this world a child, you OWE them................moo

I have seen many women leave their children and never look back until they have made another life for themself...............

Visiting your children 4 times a month with no calls in between - not going to the school when you thought your child was abused - is not what I see as a loving/caring mother.

I know that you and I do not agree on this but I really really feel that she loves these children but feels she is not responsible for their welfare.............she leaves that to Ron.

Just not right....................moo

[Ice Cycle]

ICE..............I agree that we will all have to watch this until we know who is responsible.

I pray this never happens to either of us, Ice, but I would not want to be in front of a camera......................with people trashing me for what I said or did not say..............if I cried just right............or if I smiled and should not have.

Just a mess.................

I just want HaLeigh found. I want the person(s) responsible to be held accountable.

moo

Very true and I would not want to be in front of the camera being analyzed either however I am certain at a time like that I would not be too concerned what what anyone else was thinking of me.
I also doubt that it was either of their's idea to speak, as they (especially he) seemed reluctant.
It just seems like their is too much inappropriate direction in the case on all concerned.

[HI_CYCLE]

But you must admit HI_Cycle...photos and videos can be deceiving from time to time..Sometimes we just never know about "people."Sure looks can be deceiving, but ALL these "looks". As a back up you have Crystal stating that Haleigh is her daddy's girl. Would she say that if those video's we are seeing were deceiving?

[gifted]

You are correct, Cyrstal probably does love her children............but, she does not feel the need to help support them.

To me there is NO excuse for this whether it be man or woman. When you bring into this world a child, you OWE them................moo

I have seen many women leave their children and never look back until they have made another life for themself...............

Visiting your children 4 times a month with no calls in between - not going to the school when you thought your child was abused - is not what I see as a loving/caring mother.

I know that you and I do not agree on this but I really really feel that she loves these children but feels she is not responsible for their welfare.............she leaves that to Ron.

Just not right....................moo


Not much difference imo then Ronald leaveing them with Misty. This little child didn't have a chance from the start.

[crymeariver2006]

You are correct, Cyrstal probably does love her children............but, she does not feel the need to help support them.

To me there is NO excuse for this whether it be man or woman. When you bring into this world a child, you OWE them................moo

I have seen many women leave their children and never look back until they have made another life for themself...............

Visiting your children 4 times a month with no calls in between - not going to the school when you thought your child was abused - is not what I see as a loving/caring mother.

I know that you and I do not agree on this but I really really feel that she loves these children but feels she is not responsible for their welfare.............she leaves that to Ron.

Just not right....................moo

Well, as you so often point out, until you've walked a mile in her shoes...

I don't think $$ shows love, nor love shows $$. She's not the only person in this economy to be behind on child support or anything else or to be without a job.

But that seems to be an issue with you and that's why you have zero sympathy for her, right?

[gifted]

Sure looks can be deceiving, but ALL these "looks". As a back up you have Crystal stating that Haleigh is her daddy's girl. Would she say that if those video's we are seeing were deceiving?
I think Ronald is a good father. But I also think him and Crystal are both hurting,maybe now she relizes she has made a mistake by not having more contact with her children. Now it's to late for her to show Haleigh the love that should hve been showed since birth. jmo

[Ice Cycle]

Sure looks can be deceiving, but ALL these "looks". As a back up you have Crystal stating that Haleigh is her daddy's girl. Would she say that if those video's we are seeing were deceiving?

Well the think about Video's and pictures is they are usually taken at happy times, birthday's Christmas and ect which is when most everyone is at their happiest or best. Also though I have a real problem with his comments to M.C. (if that was said on the 911 call ) doesn't necessarily make him a bad Father but it certainly puts his character in question.

[gifted]

Well the think about Video's and pictures is they are usually taken at happy times, birthday's Christmas and ect which is when most everyone is at their happiest or best. Also though I have a real problem with his comments to M.C. (if that was said on the 911 call ) doesn't necessarily make him a bad Father but it certainly puts his character in question.

Yes it sure does. Any man who talks to a person like that has a real problem.I am not a man basher because I have known woman to act the same way! Ron has no respect for himself or Misty and he really has none for Haleigh imo if he marries the person who seems to have let her go missing.

[tmw]

Was there a presser?? Link??
What was tatooed on Ron's back before "Haleigh"?? Teresa?? Isn't that his mother's name.? It was not really Teresa was it?
Thanks

[MrLucky917B]

Was there a presser?? Link??
What was tatooed on Ron's back before "Haleigh"?? Teresa?? Isn't that his mother's name.? It was not really Teresa was it?
Thanks

So does Ron have 2 tats of Haleigh, if so when did he get the 1st one and is there another one for Ron Jr?

[tmw]

So does Ron have 2 tats of Haleigh, if so when did he get the 1st one and is there another one for Ron Jr?

I saw a picture last night on here of Ron's back. It was "Haleigh", it looked like it covered a previous name. I thought Haleigh's mother, (name?), or a former girlfriend's name. Then I saw here that it was Teresa, (a perfectly good name. by the way), on his back. I;m don't know of another tat.

[penguinlady]

Well if that is the case it sure seems to be working out great!

Cry try this link for a look at the beaming soon to be bride....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVbp99Bfro.


Wow! Ron sure acted like the happy "groom to be"!

IMO
K

[Peaches]

Well, as you so often point out, until you've walked a mile in her shoes...

I don't think $$ shows love, nor love shows $$. She's not the only person in this economy to be behind on child support or anything else or to be without a job.

But that seems to be an issue with you and that's why you have zero sympathy for her, right?


Not only the money...............but seeing your children 4 times a month with not contact between does not set well with me either.

If she was concerned about these children she could have gone to the school when she thought HaLeigh had been beaten. The school would have stepped in and these children would have been removed that day if these charges were true.

IF..............that was true...........once again, she failed her child.

Also...............she wanted to stay home with her child............she did not want to work..............

I can tell you right now..........no man on this earth would be able to take my children..................

I feel that Crystal does love her children even though she called them brats..............but, I feel she does not feel responsible for them.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Well if that is the case it sure seems to be working out great!

Cry try this link for a look at the beaming soon to be bride....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVbp99Bfro.

Thank you for the link!

Good Lord have mercy.

"this marriage thing"

And Misty's mother signing because "they've trashed them".

Guess she showed us, huh?

[teresa]

Has anyone here done much research on the sexual predator guy who is missing? He is from the area, he broke into a house in the middle of the night and cut the panties off an 11 year old and fondled her. He came into a house with a whole family asleep! LE said they had cleared him, but I don't believe them. You can't clear someone that you don't even know where they are.

The research I read (on another site I don't belong to) shows connections to Haleigh from both sides of the family if I remember correctly. He was going to be sent back to prison for parole violation for a long time. What did he have to lose?

Since I can't link, I'll just say all this is my opinion. And it is, and also my fear.

[crymeariver2006]

I saw a picture last night on here of Ron's back. It was "Haleigh", it looked like it covered a previous name. I thought Haleigh's mother, (name?), or a former girlfriend's name. Then I saw here that it was Teresa, (a perfectly good name. by the way), on his back. I;m don't know of another tat.

"Teresa" was on his chest, on his left side.

[Ice Cycle]

Yes it sure does. Any man who talks to a person like that has a real problem.I am not a man basher because I have known woman to act the same way! Ron has no respect for himself or Misty and he really has none for Haleigh imo if he marries the person who seems to have let her go missing.


No nor am I bashing and it would not matter if it was male or female his comment just kind of speaks for itself.
I am still out on if I think any of the three of them are involved or at blame but I do find it odd that LE has still not
cleared them, especially since they all supposedly have taken LDT.

[WillowInFlight]

OMG I just heard on HLN, Misty and Ron just got engaged?:ohmy:

[teresa]

I saw a picture last night on here of Ron's back. It was "Haleigh", it looked like it covered a previous name. I thought Haleigh's mother, (name?), or a former girlfriend's name. Then I saw here that it was Teresa, (a perfectly good name. by the way), on his back. I;m don't know of another tat.

That Teresa tat is on his chest not his back. The Haleigh on the back didn't look covered up to me. I'll ask my husband to look since he knows more about tattoos than I do. :)

[Peaches]

I think Ronald is a good father. But I also think him and Crystal are both hurting,maybe now she relizes she has made a mistake by not having more contact with her children. Now it's to late for her to show Haleigh the love that should hve been showed since birth. jmo


Gifted.................I see it this way too.

Maybe she will make the effort to be a better parent to the 2 remaining.

You know..............trail and error.............is a method of learning.

This is one lesson that Crystal has really paid a big price to learn. I think that there is no way anyone would have thought this would have happened.

My hope is that HaLeigh is found.

BTW.............I saw Crystal on the news just now and yes, my heart breaks for her because HaLeigh is missing. She said several times: HaLeigh you dad and I both love you. We all love you.

Sooooooooooooooooo I think that evn Crystal does not think that Ron did anything to HaLeigh. I think that she trusted Ron to care for these 2 children.

This is a sad, sad case. I hope that HaLeigh is alive and will be returned. I do not think this is a hoax either.

all moo

[Peaches]

Was there a presser?? Link??
What was tatooed on Ron's back before "Haleigh"?? Teresa?? Isn't that his mother's name.? It was not really Teresa was it?
Thanks


Just heard all of it is going to be on JVM tonight. Hope this helps.

[5boxersmom]

I don't know. Maybe LE told Ron to let Misty think life was just going to go on and everything would be fine without Haleigh. Maybe he is playing her?

The presser was really strange and to have it the day after the engagement was announced.

If Misty passed a LDT would LE say so to the media?

imo

[crymeariver2006]

Not only the money...............but seeing your children 4 times a month with not contact between does not set well with me either.

If she was concerned about these children she could have gone to the school when she thought HaLeigh had been beaten. The school would have stepped in and these children would have been removed that day if these charges were true.

IF..............that was true...........once again, she failed her child.

Also...............she wanted to stay home with her child............she did not want to work..............

I can tell you right now..........no man on this earth would be able to take my children..................

I feel that Crystal does love her children even though she called them brats..............but, I feel she does not feel responsible for them.

moo

She didn't even know about the injuries (the black eye, etc) until she arrived in Satsuma when Haleigh went missing.

In most cases, schools are told who the custodial parent is and the non-custodial parent has no say so, nor can they just up and visit the school without permission or knowledge of the non-custodial parent. Frankly, I can see where she wouldn't be welcome at Haleigh's school, but that's just my opinion.

We don't know for a fact that she didn't have contact with them between visits, the custody documents only show that she is to call Ron 24 hours in advance of picking them up for scheduled visits.

You make a lot of assumptions about Crystal that are really not fair, nor based on facts, IMO.

She may very well be the worst mother in the world, but that doesn't make Ron the best father.

I just wish you wouldn't sugar coat Ron's shortcomings with praising him for having a job and not wanting anyone to judge HIM when they haven't walked in his shoes, yet you offer no such mercy to Crystal because of what you've "heard".

JMO

[psbperu]

Thank you for the link!

Good Lord have mercy.

"this marriage thing"

And Misty's mother signing because "they've trashed them".

Guess she showed us, huh?



This is truly "strange". I, for one, do not understand the engagement & the imminent rush to the altar.

Their priority is to concentrate on finding the missing child not the joy & happiness surrounding an engagement & eventual wedding.

If there isn't joy & happiness then why the engagement? Something is out of kilter here.

Since I haven't trashed anyone connected with this case....I find it reasonable to question this happening which has taken me by surprise.

[crymeariver2006]

OMG I just heard on HLN, Misty and Ron just got engaged?:ohmy:

LOL! Where have you been?

:laugh:

[5boxersmom]

She didn't even know about the injuries (the black eye, etc) until she arrived in Satsuma when Haleigh went missing.

In most cases, schools are told who the custodial parent is and the non-custodial parent has no say so, nor can they just up and visit the school without permission or knowledge of the non-custodial parent. Frankly, I can see where she wouldn't be welcome at Haleigh's school, but that's just my opinion.

We don't know for a fact that she didn't have contact with them between visits, the custody documents only show that she is to call Ron 24 hours in advance of picking them up for scheduled visits.

You make a lot of assumptions about Crystal that are really not fair, nor based on facts, IMO.

She may very well be the worst mother in the world, but that doesn't make Ron the best father.

I just wish you wouldn't sugar coat Ron's shortcomings with praising him for having a job and not wanting anyone to judge HIM when they haven't walked in his shoes, yet you offer no such mercy to Crystal because of what you've "heard".

JMO

Red is mine.

Then how did they have a pic of her with the bruises? It happen in November. Right?

[Januarybaby]

Thank you for the link!

Good Lord have mercy.

"this marriage thing"

And Misty's mother signing because "they've trashed them".

Guess she showed us, huh?

What gets me is mom says they have been trying to get her to sign the papers for 5 months.

IIRC they have only been together 6 months. How can anyone want to get married in a month of knowing someone?

[WillowInFlight]

LOL! Where have you been?

:laugh:

I have been playing on Facebook all day. I find the timing really odd.

[crymeariver2006]

Red is mine.

Then how did they have a pic of her with the bruises? It happen in November. Right?

Her cousin, Cassandra, gave her the picture. That's what she said, and I, for one, believe her.

Yes, the injuries happened in November.

[IlliniFan]

Her cousin, Cassandra, gave her the picture. That's what she said, and I, for one, believe her.

Yes, the injuries happened in November.

But, wouldn't Crystal have had a visitation with Haleigh after this happened..I thought she saw her every other weekend??? Unless the scrapes were healed, Crystal surely knew/saw them..imo

[5boxersmom]

Her cousin, Cassandra, gave her the picture. That's what she said, and I, for one, believe her.

Yes, the injuries happened in November.

Oh I hadn't heard that one. I thought the cousin told her Ron backhanded Haleigh at her house. Didn't know she had the picture. And she never told Crystal before. Wow.

imo

[Januarybaby]

At 5 yrs old I hardly think Haleigh begged them to get married let alone understand the concept of what marriage is for them to want them to do it. Dont think Id get married to some guy just because my kid thought it was a good idea.

If she heard them talking about it and said she liked the idea, I bet it was bacause she figured shed have a new playmate.


I also have a hard time with Mistys statement about everything she had, Haleigh wanted, everything they did was for Haleigh etc. Wonder if that statement was really out of jealousy having to share dad with his kids.

[crymeariver2006]

What gets me is mom says they have been trying to get her to sign the papers for 5 months.

IIRC they have only been together 6 months. How can anyone want to get married in a month of knowing someone?

Don't know.

Love at first sight?

:shrug:

:wink:

[IlliniFan]

Oh I hadn't heard that one. I thought the cousin told her Ron backhanded Haleigh at her house. Didn't know she had the picture. And she never told Crystal before. Wow.

imo

I'm confused too??? Surely Crystal had visitation in November and would have seen the scrapes??

A person almost needs a notebook to keep the facts straight....

[legalmania]

OMG I just heard on HLN, Misty and Ron just got engaged?:ohmy:

This is really strange my daughter is missing I don't know if she's dead or alive so let's get married? Do you think their doing this so they don't have to testify against each other?

[Peaches]

She didn't even know about the injuries (the black eye, etc) until she arrived in Satsuma when Haleigh went missing.

In most cases, schools are told who the custodial parent is and the non-custodial parent has no say so, nor can they just up and visit the school without permission or knowledge of the non-custodial parent. Frankly, I can see where she wouldn't be welcome at Haleigh's school, but that's just my opinion.

We don't know for a fact that she didn't have contact with them between visits, the custody documents only show that she is to call Ron 24 hours in advance of picking them up for scheduled visits.

You make a lot of assumptions about Crystal that are really not fair, nor based on facts, IMO.

She may very well be the worst mother in the world, but that doesn't make Ron the best father.

I just wish you wouldn't sugar coat Ron's shortcomings with praising him for having a job and not wanting anyone to judge HIM when they haven't walked in his shoes, yet you offer no such mercy to Crystal because of what you've "heard".

JMO


In our state, any parent can come to the school to check on their child. They can not check them out / or pick them up after school but counselors are always willing to discuss your child with you. BTW.......she has the right as a parent to have this information.

NO..............your are incorrect about hearing about the accident at school when she arrived............she had a picture of HaLeigh and shared it with GR...............and he confronted Ron about it.

The things that I find to fault Crystal are real.............

I think that she is waking up and understanding that little girls do need their mothers as well as their dad.

MOO is that Ron is not the father of the year. In fact, I would not put up with his behavior...........smoking/drinking/drugs..............not for a second. BUT, to me he has taken care of his children. Not as I have mine or you yours............but he did the best he could. I see a very young man with a broken heart because his child is missing.

Crystal is sad now but why in this world did she move almost 2 hours away from her babies.

There is nothing - moo - than a bad mother...............

Children deserve more.

HaLeigh deserves to be found.

all moo

[Januarybaby]

Don't know.

Love at first sight?

:shrug:

:wink:

I can buy love at first sight, but to want to get married to someone you have only known a month throws me.

In a months time you really dont know what a persons like. Its been a month since Haleighs been missing and we are now finding out things about her parents that just arent kosher.

[crymeariver2006]

But, wouldn't Crystal have had a visitation with Haleigh after this happened..I thought she saw her every other weekend??? Unless the scrapes were healed, Crystal surely knew/saw them..imo

A lot can heal in two weeks, KWIM.

JMO

But it would not surprise me to learn that Ron had denied the visit saying Haleigh was sick. (I don't know that for a fact, but it would not surprise me.)

[Peaches]

Red is mine.

Then how did they have a pic of her with the bruises? It happen in November. Right?



She did know..............and did nothing about it.

[WillowInFlight]

This is really strange my daughter is missing I don't know if she's dead or alive so let's get married? Do you think their doing this so they don't have to testify against each other?

I have to admit that was my first thought, How could they even think about marriage and moving on when they have so many unanswered questions? Big mistake IMO.

[teresa]

Chad Reynolds? I google him every day and have seen nothing new, he has bothered me from the beginning but was never any proof that he had connections to the family, I have wondered about that several times, he is still unaccounted for.

I wasn't aware of any connections until I read an entire thread about him. His grandparents live near Haleigh if I remember correctly. It's strange that LE seems uninterested in him. He needs to be found even if he had nothing to do with her. Try and read that if you have a chance. It is very interesting and there are links that you can check for yourself. I don't think I can say what website and I can't vouch for how accurate they are with their info, but it is a big website and well known. I don't want to join there but you don't have to to read the thread.

[crymeariver2006]

She did know..............and did nothing about it.

I saw the interview. You saw the interview.

She said she got the picture from Cassandra when she got to Satsuma after Haleigh was reported missing.

She may have well known about a "scratch", but that picture was anything but.

JMO

[Januarybaby]

If so it will not work since Haleigh went missing before this soon to be "happy event".

Next they will go the Disneyland saying Haleigh wanted that also. JMO.....

I dont like that they are using past tense such as Haleigh "wantED"

You would think they would be positive and use the word "wantS"

Sounds to me like they are giving up and figured she isnt coming home so now its time to get married and move on and start a new little family.

[IlliniFan]

Geraldo had desribed the picture of Haleigh as "beaten to a pulp."

I was afraid to even look at the picture. Her injuries to her face looked like something that very easily could have happened falling on the sidewalk,,catching the edge..Concrete is not very forgiving when you scrape your body on it.

I have been a substitute teacher for several years and have seen children fall off monkey bars, get hit in the mouth by another child that is in a swing...you name it!!

It was confirmed that she had an accident at school, iirc.

[cloe23]

Chad Reynolds? I google him every day and have seen nothing new, he has bothered me from the beginning but was never any proof that he had connections to the family, I have wondered about that several times, he is still unaccounted for.

IIRC Chad was last seen watching the super bowl. He has been reported missing by his mother IIRC. My question is what has his family done to try and find him and if anything was missing from his personal belongings? Did he simply vanish or take off? IMO If he vanished then there is yet another possible crime that needs to be investigated.
Wasn't the Super Bowl on Sunday night and Haleigh went missing that following Friday night?

[cloe23]

This is truly "strange". I, for one, do not understand the engagement & the imminent rush to the altar.

Their priority is to concentrate on finding the missing child not the joy & happiness surrounding an engagement & eventual wedding.

If there isn't joy & happiness then why the engagement? Something is out of kilter here.

Since I haven't trashed anyone connected with this case....I find it reasonable to question this happening which has taken me by surprise.

Maybe they are trying to fill a void? I try to keep in mind that most families/people do not think like we do( Like pleading the 5Th and other legal agendas)
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Geraldo had desribed the picture of Haleigh as "beaten to a pulp."

I was afraid to even look at the picture. Her injuries to her face looked like something that very easily could have happened falling on the sidewalk,,catching the edge..Concrete is not very forgiving when you scrape your body on it.

I have been a substitute teacher for several years and have seen children fall off monkey bars, get hit in the mouth by another child that is in a swing...you name it!!

It was confirmed that she had an accident at school, iirc.

Not to be argumentative, but I don't think ANYTHING about this case has been confirmed. :biggrin:

[IlliniFan]

Not to be argumentative, but I don't think ANYTHING about this case has been confirmed. :biggrin:


I'll agree very little has..That's why I try to remain objective, given that we know very little.....

I do think there was confirmation from the school that she had an accident..?

[Speedy30]

I'm sorry, but IMO, a "good father" does not create two children with a woman he can't even bother to marry, a third child with one teenage girl, and have yet a different teenaged girlfriend whom he immediately moves into the home that he shares with the two older children...all within 5 years.

And if that ring Misty is sporting is indeed a family heirloom, you can just bet Crystal wore it once too... jmo

Yeah, I dont think Ron is a good father at all.

[legalmania]

I can buy love at first sight, but to want to get married to someone you have only known a month throws me.

In a months time you really dont know what a persons like. Its been a month since Haleighs been missing and we are now finding out things about her parents that just arent kosher.

Especially marrying the girl who was there when your child went missing. I don't get it.

[crymeariver2006]

I'll agree very little has..That's why I try to remain objective, given that we know very little.....

I do think there was confirmation from the school that she had an accident..?

I haven't heard anybody from the school say anything.

But what else is new about this case?

:shrug:

[IlliniFan]

I haven't heard anybody from the school say anything.

But what else is new about this case?

:shrug:

It was said, iirc the night of the GR show...If I still have it on dvr, i'll check....

[cloe23]

I haven't heard anybody from the school say anything.

But what else is new about this case?

:shrug:

Hasn't LE spoken to the school? I don't know if schools can publically report a students incidences to the media?

[IlliniFan]

If a child is hurt at school...an incident report is written up to cover the school's you know what....Ron probably had a copy..



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GERALDO RIVERA : Alright this is a picture, a disturbing picture, that shows Haleigh with an obvious black eye, a cut on her nose and the -- a bruise that goes from the top of her left eye all the way down to the left side of her cheek.

[00:03:58]

Now I understand the school records indicate that she had an accident at school. Are these injuries the result of that accident


http://wherearethesechildren.blogspot.com/2009/02/transcript-from-geraldo-rivera.html

[cloe23]

If a child was hurt at school...an incident report is written up to cover the school's you know what....Ron probably had a copy..

I am not trying to be argumentative. But IIRC only if the child is taken to the ER or doctor are there documents drawn up. Sadly the parent usually just gets a phone call.

[cantstandnuts]

I am not trying to be argumentative. But IIRC only if the child is taken to the ER or doctor are there documents drawn up. Sadly the parent usually just gets a phone call.

I'm in Massachusetts, so not sure about Florida, but here, we get a call and there is documentation when a child gets hurt or has to take a medication. My son got knocked down by a classmate and they sent a form home detailing what happened. I would be very surprised if they only had to document for ER/MD visits...in this litigious society, everything is written down to CYA later. IMO

[legalmania]

If so it will not work since Haleigh went missing before this soon to be "happy event".

Next they will go to Disneyland saying Haleigh wanted that also. JMO.....


I don't know this is just me but I would be putting every penny I had into finding Haleigh. I wouldn't even be thinking about eating right now. This case is going to go cold very soon, LE can only do so much. There are other cases.

[tmw]

"Teresa" was on his chest, on his left side.

Was there a name on his back??
Thanks for answering.

[annalyzer]

So was this to show that LE believes that Ron and Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance?

I don't think that speech was aimed at a sexual predator.