Monday 3/9 Hope for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

New thread for the day.

We gotta have HOPE !


Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

Here's a link about a psychic that states "she watch Haleigh being kidnapped"

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11268&highlight=haleigh+cummings&page=62


I hope I have not violated TOS, please let me know (anybody) and I will delete. I posted just the link, I think that is what's allowed :confused:


Beachpatty

[MoonFlwr]

Here's a link about a psychic that states "she watch Haleigh being kidnapped"

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11268&highlight=haleigh+cummings&page=62


I hope I have not violated TOS, please let me know (anybody) and I will delete. I posted just the link, I think that is what's allowed :confused:


Beachpatty

Morning, Posters!

Hiya Ms Patty! :seeya: Thanks for the thread - good to see you!

Another psychic, huh!?

[beachpatty]

Morning, Posters!

Hiya Ms Patty! :seeya: Thanks for the thread - good to see you!

Another psychic, huh!?


Hiya my Mooie friend :)
Yup, I guess, @ this point, I want to believe anything, as long as the end result is this precious little one coming home!
Good to "see" you, as always :wub:

Beachie

[rosieposett]

Thanks for starting a new thread!

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Per your previous comments you have been out to take food to Ron. If your real intent is to "help find Haleigh" then why are you at home on your computer instead of there? You have more opportunity to be of help than most of us who live no where near.

Did you think we were going to solve the case on this message board? Has that ever happened in the history of CTV or IS? This board is not for the sole discussion and support of Ron and his family. This site is to discuss the case at large in whatever way the people choose that is appropriate and within the TOS. Stop trying to turn the conversation to your agenda it will never work.

Bolding mine.

I like the way you said that. It's always nice to feel comfortable expressing one's opinion here and knowing you won't be put down for it as long as you are respectful with your posts. jmo

[rosieposett]

Ha Ha......I was just over at last nights thread reading your post......way to go.......I answered back to a couple before I saw this one had started.

Thanks Beachpatty!!

Hey Tree. I did the same thing before I realized there was a new thread. I think I saw in one of your posts you were curious about the gash in the van. So am I. Very curious. Maybe nothing but could be something. It certainly should be check out. If it has been checked out and LE is keeping it quiet, I can respect that. Just wish I knew that for sure. jmo

[Abbie]

Bolding mine.

I like the way you said that. It's always nice to feel comfortable expressing one's opinion here and knowing you won't be put down for it as long as you are respectful with your posts. jmo

Amen to that.:thumbup:

[n/t]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-08/story/one-month_later_haleigh_cummings_saga_has_changed_sats uma

This article tells me this was not a random crime at all. Either an inside job or a neighbor.

Or a friend of a neighbour? Someone visiting one of the neighbours? If the door was left open and if Misty wasn't home, it could be anyone. They could've just walked in, snatched Haleigh and took off in their car.

Were all the neighbours interviewed?


Good Morning all! Another day without any clues. So sad.:sad:

[Abbie]

I disagree that tattoos are equal to acrylic nails, not that it really matters one bit. Both are in extremely poor taste, IMO.
The tat was supposed to be a 'tribute' to his missing daughter, which is fine. He should have waited much much longer, until all the media frenzy died down, a few months. Then discretely gone and had it done.

The artificial nails is just the ridiculousity it seems to be. First of all lady, you are begging the country for help. We are in a repressed economy and many of us can't afford to go get our nails done. Yet to see you did, and are begging for donations for your child, you need a bigger house, its revealed you got government assistance, blah blah blah, well honey there's no feeling or sympathy flowing from me to you on this one. At the very least, you can't diaper and care for 8+ kids with freaking artificial nails on. At the very least, its unsafe, as those nails harbor bacteria I don't care HOW thoroughly you wash them and wouldn't you want to be especially careful with those immunosuppressed babies? Betcha hospital says nails gotta come off as one of their (I hope) many many pages of requirements she is going to have to meet in order to bring those kids home.

IMO Ron should have waitied on the tattoo, and Octomom should never have procreated in the first place. But its too late to change either one. How sad.

abbie

[n/t]

When I see Ron making poor choices when he needs the public support the most it saddens me. Time is of the essence. We want to see him be proactive. Talk to the media. He thinks he has taken a beating with the press, well he wont be the first nor the last. What about what poor Haleigh may be going through? She needs to be found. He has a Victims Advocate and like Mark Ludsford said that is who he should be listening to.

I have learned that Fl is a very transient state and I would think passing out fliers regularly in that kind of climate would be very important. Someone who sees her may not of been there yesterday. We had many good posters here go out and search for Caylee. They were not just Fl but came and car pooled from several states. Anyone close enough to help should consider themselves fortunate.


Good Morning Tree,

I just don't see where else they can search. Yes, perhaps putting up flyers would help and maybe that's already been done. If LE doesn't have a clue, what does a family of a loved one do? All searches were exhausted. They did ground and air searches, they brought in cadavar dogs and found nothing. Not one clue. The only conclusion I would come to is she is not in the area and was probably taken by car. Where do you look? I believe the Amber Alert is still in effect and truckers are keeping an eye out. The media has been on top of this case. Should the family organize a private search in the wooded area?

*sigh*

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good Morning Tree,

I just don't see where else they can search. Yes, perhaps putting up flyers would help and maybe that's already been done. If LE doesn't have a clue, what does a family of a loved one do? All searches were exhausted. They did ground and air searches, they brought in cadavar dogs and found nothing. Not one clue. The only conclusion I would come to is she is not in the area and was probably taken by car. Where do you look? I believe the Amber Alert is still in effect and truckers are keeping an eye out. The media has been on top of this case. Should the family organize a private search in the wooded area?

*sigh*

Morning n/t
Not just with this case, but with other cases, the family is discouraged from striking out on their own private search. They could stumble across something tragic or even taint evidence without knowing it. I know some people do it, but can you imagine the chatter if one of the family members found something that LE and the FBI could not find?

[n/t]

Good Morning.
Got my green tea brewing in the fridge to get my brain working.....

Wonder if that back nieghbor ever saw that door propted before. If they have lived there long maybe they lived there when the SO lived did. Wonder if he ever propted it open? From the article Brat posted sounds like a lot of retirees.......they notice everything.

Crazy we are asking each other Q`s.lol. Hate to say it NG lovers but I think her interview was lacking in far too many areas. And she def should of also tried for nite walk through. And I sure wish she would remember that she is not in front of a jury when she interviews victims.
She needs to watch Greta.


I think you make a good point about the night walk through. It makes a big difference when analyzing what happened that night. I wonder if LE did a reenactment?

[n/t]

Morning n/t
Not just with this case, but with other cases, the family is discouraged from striking out on their own private search. They could stumble across something tragic or even taint evidence without knowing it. I know some people do it, but can you imagine the chatter if one of the family members found something that LE and the FBI could not find?

Hey Rainy,

I know they're discouraged to do their own private searches but at this point when LE has no clue and nothing was found, I don't see what else can be done except for the family to organize their own searches. I'm surprised TES left so soon.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hey Rainy,

I know they're discouraged to do their own private searches but at this point when LE has no clue and nothing was found, I don't see what else can be done except for the family to organize their own searches. I'm surprised TES left so soon.

I just don't know n/t. I hope there is not a "Roy Krunk" tip sitting among all the thousands of tips LE has that they may not have gotten to yet.

[TxLady2]

Mornin'! I think that psychic was probably right, I think the person who took Haleigh probably was someone who knew Ron or Misty or both, and might have been related, even if distantly. They seemed to know the layout of the house as well, and it could have been someone Haleigh was familiar with, enough so that she didn't scream or cry.
I can't give up hope that she is alive, but I realize it's doubtful by now. I feel so bad for both parents and the grandparents. And I surely do wish NG could be a tad more sensitive when she interviews them.. no, make that a LOT more sensitive.

[Pat]

The sad fact is that Haleigh could still be close by and just missed by searchers.

When Chandra Levy went missing the area where she jogged was "througly" searched, and more than once. There is video footage of police doing a grid search, and it was that second search. They missed her. A man walking his dog found the remains several years later.

There was a case on the old CTV board about a woman who lived on a farm (my memory is terrible on this one) and a board member was able to get EquuSearch to come out many months later, and they were the ones who finally found this woman's remains. Fairly close to home. One has to wonder how LE and searchers missed the newly turned ground. Sadly...it happens.

Look at how long it took to find Caylee's remains. And they were so close to home.

Last week we heard (via another forum) from what was supposed to be a reliable source in the area that there was going to be breaking news involving arrests of more than one person...whatever happened on that? Does anyone know?

This case is so sad. LE says the first 48 hours are crucial in any missing person/abduction case and we are so far beyond that now.

[crymeariver2006]

In the flurry of pressers and media reports when this case was prime news, its possible this information was overlooked.

I think this video, if true, is important info, and changes Misty's story and timeline. I hope LE has picked up on this.

56 seconds into the video, its reported that a neighbor @2:25 am heard yelling and screaming coming from the Cummings trailor. Now the question remains, who was doing the yelling and screaming, and who else was there. Keep in mind 2:25 is 35 min. before Misty's 3:am timeline.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

Okay, it's early and I'm just having coffee.....

Why is a link to Orange County tied in with a case in Putnam County?

What am I missing?

[CelticDawn]

Unfortunately and realistically, LE is not Omniscient.... This county does not have unlimited resources ...neither manpower nor technology. ... Hayleigh could be very close to home, and <hopefully> alive....

The area is small and somewhat rural, but there is a large turnover of people, vehicles, and circumstances that make searching even more difficult...and she could be out of the immediate area...I just feel like shes close though.

Combine this with what <I believe> to be NOT a stranger abduction,....and the perpetrator having as much access to police activity as we do<thus being able to calculate his or her next move in order to conceal his or her actions>

she will be found.....hopefully alive

Have faith, people.

[CelticDawn]

Very Interesting!......And I can not tell you how many people delay the call or get someone else to place it that are equally guilty. Scott Peterson is a good example. Casey Anthony of course. Criminal Psychology 101.

The TOO MANY DETAILS syndrone.

[nana6]

Good morning, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about that weid chair that was found in the woods? A picture of it was on here and it made me ill just to look at it.:sad:

[DenVIP]

If it were my child missing I would be personally contacting private search groups for help.....calling local media if I didn't feel local LE was doing enough....in other words I would be a royal pain in the *** to everyone and anyone who would hear me.....I'm not hearing that on these message boards.....just the same old....does anyone know if the families are ?

[TxLady2]

In the flurry of pressers and media reports when this case was prime news, its possible this information was overlooked.

I think this video, if true, is important info, and changes Misty's story and timeline. I hope LE has picked up on this.

56 seconds into the video, its reported that a neighbor @2:25 am heard yelling and screaming coming from the Cummings trailor. Now the question remains, who was doing the yelling and screaming, and who else was there. Keep in mind 2:25 is 35 min. before Misty's 3:am timeline.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

OMG! Why have we never heard this before?! This is HUGE, if true!
I can't view the video, my 'puter doesn't have that capability, but thanks for the link anyway.

[SwFlorida]

Really?? She did not call or did she delay?.....I did not follow it.
No she had a friend call while she was outside looking..She did finally talk to the 911 operater but at 1st said he was wearing shoes...IIRC

[SwFlorida]

Haha. I posted the wrong link. Let me go get the right one. Oh man I'm staring off on the wrong foot today.

Be right back

Thanks Swarovski..


Remember ‘bad beginning makes a good ending’,

[DenVIP]

Okay!! Here's the right link.

This is an important piece of information. It destroys Misty's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

56 seconds into the video @2:25 am a neighbor hears yelling and screaming coming from the trailor. Question remains, who was yelling and screaming? Misty, Haliegh, stranger?

WOW.... if I'm local LE and tell Misty we need to talk....oh and bring your toothbrush it could be awhile...forget the fragile young lady stuff.....bet her memory gets jogged real fast

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-08/story/one-month_later_haleigh_cummings_saga_has_changed_sats uma

This article tells me this was not a random crime at all. Either an inside job or a neighbor.

Morning Bratie!! Thanks for posting that article, always wondered about the name Satsuma. :seeya:

[Regina.Lampert]

Okay!! Here's the right link.

This is an important piece of information. It destroys Misty's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

56 seconds into the video @2:25 am a neighbor hears yelling and screaming coming from the trailor. Question remains, who was yelling and screaming? Misty, Haliegh, stranger?

Thanks Swarvie!! Guess it all depends on the credibility of this neighbor, since her account is different from mistys.

BTW, I hope LE has disabused ronald of the quaint notion that anything going on in his personal life prior to the disappearance, doesn't have a bearing on it. :mad:

[crymeariver2006]

Okay!! Here's the right link.

This is an important piece of information. It destroys Misty's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

56 seconds into the video @2:25 am a neighbor hears yelling and screaming coming from the trailor. Question remains, who was yelling and screaming? Misty, Haliegh, stranger?

No need for coffee now - am fully jolted awake!

:ohmy:

If the "breakup" was the weekend prior, that puts a whole new light on GGM Sykes bringing "clean clothes" to the house on Monday evening.

Holy cow!

Never seen that video before. The only neighbor we heard about was the one that was awakened by the noise around the time the police came out.

[Regina.Lampert]

What annoys me Den, is on one of the links here last night, the Law officer being interviewed said we have to consider Misty is still a child and have to proceed carefully, (paraphrased). Well damn it, that's the problem with this force, they are gently questioning her. 10, 11 yr olds are out there murdering their parents, its time for LE to get tough with Misty. She holds the key.

moo

I don't understand statements like this, because if LE truly considers misty a "child" then she requires an adult present during any questioning, imo.

[kitty1182]

It;s time for Misty to come clean about what she knows! imo

[Peaches]

I hate sharing this aspect of my life but when my daughter died, I could not find the cordless phone on the charger where it should have been. I hit speakerphone on the base and called 911 and I said screamed something like that I need an ambulance and my address and hung up. Turns out I was never speaking to 911 to begin with but I didn't know that until later. The only reason I share this is because in the midst of real panic people are not too rational. They dont bother with insignificant details. Ron is a good example of that. He didn't want to share anything insignificant like a birthday and likely he couldn't even recall the answers because of his panic.

That didn't really matter since my oldest child did find the cordless phone and was talking with 911 while I was attempting CPR. They insisted on speaking with me and I got on the phone only long enough to demand an ambulance and ask for CPR instructions. Then I got off again and gave it back to my oldest daughter. If they asked me anything I do not remember it but I sure wouldnt have wasted my time answering it.

Now there have been other times there was a true emergency and I called 911. Like my daughter was having a grand mal seizure and then again I was panicked but completely uninterested in answering much less volunteering anything. Like for example volunteering that she had previously been refusing her Epilepsy medication. Crucial information for a doctor but would seem unnecessary for 911 in order to attain an ambulance.


Brat, I am very sorry to hear that you lost your child. MOO is that you never get over a loss such as yours. My heart says sorry that yours had to break into all those pieces.

You are correct about not being able to give information that normally would cause no problem.

One never knows what they will do unless they have been in such positions.

Again. Sorry for the loss of your daughter.

[DenVIP]

IMO a 17 year old should know right from wrong.....at least I would hope so.....I taught my boys early on that there are consequences for everything you do in.....good and bad....the choice is yours.....and that I would back them up only for good...

[crymeariver2006]

Neighbors do lie. I know from experience personally and from watching other cases that all kinds of people make up and throw out extraneous information just to get themselves on TV or involve themselves in tragedy. That is well known by LE. I do not take that neighbor too seriously knowing that they supposedly heard that but did not call 911 at the time.

That's true, but this neighbor wasn't identified by name nor did she appear on camera.

As for not calling 911 at the time, could it be that she always heard yelling coming from the house but five minutes later all was quiet?

Just thinkin' out loud....

:shrug:

I don't have the greatest neighbors so their loud noise, music, ball playing at midnight, and yelling are so commonplace that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary enough for me to call 911. KWIM?

[beachpatty]

No, I meant she had someone call for her.



Because she was outside searching. If I may finish the fact.

MOO
Beachpatty

[Texas48]

New thread for the day.

We gotta have HOPE !


BeachpattyCan always count on you beachpatty and we THANK YOU. I beliebe it would be a good thing for ALL OF US (which is many) to NOT GIVE UP HOPE for this CHILD LOST..Haleigh. I DO believe in miracles and the POWER that in is BELIEVING. jmo..:wub:for ALL

[CelticDawn]

Yes and the neighbor has no reason to lie.

Well I will tell you what if Ron lies to the FBI he will be in deep trouble.even if he had nothing to do w/ this. They will be so disgusted w/ a dad who would lie under these circumstances that they will throw the book at him.

Unfortunately If Ron is caught lying to the FBI unless it is VERY VERY significant....they wont bother with it.....They are so accustomed to dealing with people who have questionable pasts that are victims or have family that are victims that they expect this kind of thing.


IMO....Ron needs to realize that finding Hayleigh is of the utmost importance and that in REALITY if he tells LE something that may help Hayleigh and put him in a bad light.....they may not care.....Its not like theyre going to open a new case just because he may admit to a crime....and it would depend on the crime.

[crymeariver2006]

I do know what you mean but if I heard screaming next door at my house and was concerned about it and then it was silent 5 minutes later I am not sure I could justify going back to sleep or carrying on with whatever I am doing for fear that silence means everything is NOT OK. Then again it sounds like I would be a nosy ninny and call 911 at the drop of a hat but in actuality I have seen neighbors argue and have done nothing because in the scheme of things it was just an argument, normal for them, and during a decent time of day.

A nosy ninny! LOL

Oh I've called the fire department when they had a small bonfire in their yard. That they left unattended. For an hour.

I'm just saying that if Ron's normal arrival from work is around that same time every night, she might have heard arguing on other nights at that same time. The next morning, all is well and she doesn't think anything more about it.

Not saying that that's what happened here, but with this case just trying to sort out the possibles from the probables and the more than likelies is a full time job!

[Peaches]

Thank you. I am only sharing the information to provide insight into what I know about situations like this. I feel bad doing it because I do not want anyone to think I am looking for sympathy and using my daughters death to do it.


Certainly I understand what you are saying.

But, it is our experiences that allow us to know how we would react in certain situations.

To me, you have first hand knowledge that we do not always maintain a -------what some would call normal mind when faced with certain situations.

Like you............many do what needs to be done at the time.

Again..............I know that this is something that will be a forever moment in your life. I think it is okay to share events in our lives because then we see the others person's reasons for believing/thinking as they do. (If that makes sense.)

Again, thanks for sharing..............and I know that although heaven is a wonderful place..........it just became a little sweetier because you daughter will be waiting there for you.

God bless you and your family! :wub:

[march27]

"WHO WAS THE CALL ABOUT?

Topic of the Call

When contacting 911, innocent individuals remained focused on the victim. For example, one caller urgently stated, “This guy’s hurt real bad. Tell them to hurry!”

Why would individuals call the emergency line and concentrate on themselves, reporting a problem without asking the dispatcher for assistance for the person who needs it? The following dialogue occurred when a father called 911 concerning his son:

Dispatcher: 911. What is your emergency?

Guilty caller: I have an unconscious child who is breathing very shallowly.

In this case, the father took personal possession of a problem (“I have”) and referred to his problem (his dying son) as “an unconscious child.” When the paramedics arrived at the residence, the child already had died. The father had assaulted his son, causing cerebral hemorrhaging. Twelve percent of the 911 callers in the study took personal possession of the problem. All were guilty of the homicide. "

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/june2008/june2008leb.htm#page22

Misty's first words on the 911 call....

"Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”"

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_1.html


"Forty-four percent of the 911 homicide callers included extraneous information in their call. Of those, 96 percent were guilty of the offense, and only 4 percent were innocent. Extraneous information was the strongest indicator of guilt in the study."



I really dont like to talk about Ron or Mistys lifestyle I think its irrelevent Imo but I do like to read posts that give facts as posted above. I think Misty knows something.

[IlliniFan]

The sad fact is that Haleigh could still be close by and just missed by searchers.

When Chandra Levy went missing the area where she jogged was "througly" searched, and more than once. There is video footage of police doing a grid search, and it was that second search. They missed her. A man walking his dog found the remains several years later.

There was a case on the old CTV board about a woman who lived on a farm (my memory is terrible on this one) and a board member was able to get EquuSearch to come out many months later, and they were the ones who finally found this woman's remains. Fairly close to home. One has to wonder how LE and searchers missed the newly turned ground. Sadly...it happens.

Look at how long it took to find Caylee's remains. And they were so close to home.

Last week we heard (via another forum) from what was supposed to be a reliable source in the area that there was going to be breaking news involving arrests of more than one person...whatever happened on that? Does anyone know?

This case is so sad. LE says the first 48 hours are crucial in any missing person/abduction case and we are so far beyond that now.

GM Pat,

The case you mention on the old board sounds like Naomi Arnette. She and her husband were estranged, and I think she was seeing another man. In any event, she went missing, and you're right in that there was an effort on the board to get TE to help find her. There had been searches of course, but it was TE that found her, and her estranged husband (who we think posted on the board) was found guilty and is now in prison...

[Texas48]

Here's a link about a psychic that states "she watch Haleigh being kidnapped"

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11268&highlight=haleigh+cummings&page=62


I hope I have not violated TOS, please let me know (anybody) and I will delete. I posted just the link, I think that is what's allowed :confused:


BeachpattyVery interesting patty and TY. While I was there reading I scrolled down several post and came across a post of a youtube video which I had not seen/listened to before. Media reported a neighbor stated they heard yelling coming from the MH around 2:25am believing it to be Misty. Sane neighbor said Misty/Ron had been having problems... and so forth. Has anyone else heard where there was noise/yelling at that time of the night? I thought Misty said she awoke around 3am...???:confused:

[DenVIP]

This has bothered me a lot...has it bothered anyone else?

On NG, when they had the walk through - as other's have stated my heart was also breaking with TN. I was also wishing I could just hug her, she seems like such a nice person.

When NG asked her which bathroom Misty was going to use - TN said she did not know.

Well, even if it was my own daughter and I knew she was 100% innocent. I would be having her to walk and show me what happened, because sometimes when you are in the middle of something you can't see it...but, someone looking from the outside can.

That is just one of the many things I would be doing.

So, I am wondering why TN - did not know which bathroom Misty was going to use, but didn't make it.

Does anyone else find this odd?...Could Ron be so protective of Misty that he will not let his own mother question her?...or ???????????

The above is MOO

I'm with you an innnocent Misty should have been the one to do the walk thru and answer the questions to clear up any confusion..... I feel for TN....but the rest of the players there jus aren't helping

[DenVIP]

does anyone know are ron and misty still shacking up or are the staying in separate places?

[Texas48]

When I see Ron making poor choices when he needs the public support the most it saddens me. Time is of the essence. We want to see him be proactive. Talk to the media. He thinks he has taken a beating with the press, well he wont be the first nor the last. What about what poor Haleigh may be going through? She needs to be found. He has a Victims Advocate and like Mark Ludsford said that is who he should be listening to.

I have learned that Fl is a very transient state and I would think passing out fliers regularly in that kind of climate would be very important. Someone who sees her may not of been there yesterday. We had many good posters here go out and search for Caylee. They were not just Fl but came and car pooled from several states. Anyone close enough to help should consider themselves fortunate. Just from "knowing" the posters on our board I can say that ALL here would "help" this family any way we could if we lived close enough to do so. Thats JMO and everyone has one...

[Texas48]

Good Morning.
Got my green tea brewing in the fridge to get my brain working.....

Wonder if that back nieghbor ever saw that door propted before. If they have lived there long maybe they lived there when the SO lived did. Wonder if he ever propted it open? From the article Brat posted sounds like a lot of retirees.......they notice everything.

Crazy we are asking each other Q`s.lol. Hate to say it NG lovers but I think her interview was lacking in far too many areas. And she def should of also tried for nite walk through. And I sure wish she would remember that she is not in front of a jury when she interviews victims.
She needs to watch Greta.Ibelieve a "night time house tour" is a good idea.

[beachpatty]

Can always count on you beachpatty and we THANK YOU. I beliebe it would be a good thing for ALL OF US (which is many) to NOT GIVE UP HOPE for this CHILD LOST..Haleigh. I DO believe in miracles and the POWER that in is BELIEVING. jmo..:wub:for ALL


Your are very welcome!
I live my life with Hope & Faith, they have sustained me thru the darkest days. We just NEVER know, my hope contains the theory that Misty has not been at all truthful and there in lies the hope, maybe somebody was trying to get back @ her or Ron, or both. Maybe they did whatever they did (hoping kidnapped here), to get back at her for rejecting them or to cause a rift between Misty & Ron, knowing full well, if Haleigh came up missing, on HER watch, Ron would look at Misty in a different light and probably kiss her off. There are so many strange people who's way of thinking is twisted from the "norm". I sure would like to know what LE found in the cell phone records and who else Misty might have been gaming with, on the side. Now that it's come this far and been this long, "they, he, she (?)" don't know how to return Haleigh without getting into a world of big trouble. I sure wish Misty would "come clean" and fill in the blanks with the truth, Haleigh might just stand a chance. My gut feeling is that Haleigh is missing because Misty did or did not do something and she is too scared of Ron and LE to tell the truth now.

The Faith part comes from my Grandma, we learned and lived religion, it was not a choice at our house, I thank my Grandma for that when I hit my knees every night.

HOPE FOR HALEIGH!
Beachpatty

[Texas48]

Good Morning all you good people
I promised myself last night I wouldn't get wrapped up in this case today and I would tend to some real life duties. Guess what, it didn't work, here I am.*sigh*.

I found this FBI article that is very interesting and certainly can apply to this case.

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/june2008/june2008leb.htm#page22 LOL...LOL...Good morning and I know just how you feel. I get up every am and say "not today" and go straight for the coffee and smoke and computer. Do we need "help"?

[crymeariver2006]

Drat!!! I just read that Ron was on GMA today, being interviewed and walking thru the trailor. Did anyone happen to see it?

No, but it'll probably be up on YouTube later.

Okay, and call me crazy but why isn't Misty doing the walk throughs? I want to know what she did and what she saw that night. Her exact steps. Darnit! People who were not there at the time don't help me in my crime fighting. Grrrrrrr.....

:mad:

[StickyBeak]

GMA This am

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696

[BANJO GRANNY]

It;s time for Misty to come clean about what she knows! imo
I agree w/ you kitty 100%
Imo Misty know the WHOLE story on what happened to that little girl.

[febreze]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-08/story/one-month_later_haleigh_cummings_saga_has_changed_sats uma

This article tells me this was not a random crime at all. Either an inside job or a neighbor.

and when the dogs hit on that garbage dumpster they should have let the dogs sniff what was removed to find the area something could have been, just because they didn't find a body doesn't mean there wasn't something there to give a clue.something the child was layed on and then discarded. i believe it was someone that knew that home and knew Ron wasn't there.

[Texas48]

If it were my child missing I would be personally contacting private search groups for help.....calling local media if I didn't feel local LE was doing enough....in other words I would be a royal pain in the *** to everyone and anyone who would hear me.....I'm not hearing that on these message boards.....just the same old....does anyone know if the families are ? Morning to you VIP..and this is what I have been saying..they need some type of action going on to get media there everyday day in and day out. None of us took to Cindy being..let me just say "rude" and a pain in the butt..but the media loved it and so did we and so did the entire country...This is one of the reasons CAYLEE'S name stayed in front everyday. Media/TV Shows/Public could not get enough. IMO..Cindy had alot to do with that. Little Haleigh NEEDS all the attention she can get. Yea..I can Rant all day long..but won't..jmo

[Stellagant]

"WHO WAS THE CALL ABOUT?

Topic of the Call

When contacting 911, innocent individuals remained focused on the victim. For example, one caller urgently stated, “This guy’s hurt real bad. Tell them to hurry!”

Why would individuals call the emergency line and concentrate on themselves, reporting a problem without asking the dispatcher for assistance for the person who needs it? The following dialogue occurred when a father called 911 concerning his son:

Dispatcher: 911. What is your emergency?

Guilty caller: I have an unconscious child who is breathing very shallowly.

In this case, the father took personal possession of a problem (“I have”) and referred to his problem (his dying son) as “an unconscious child.” When the paramedics arrived at the residence, the child already had died. The father had assaulted his son, causing cerebral hemorrhaging. Twelve percent of the 911 callers in the study took personal possession of the problem. All were guilty of the homicide. "

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/june2008/june2008leb.htm#page22

Misty's first words on the 911 call....

"Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”"

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_1.html


"Forty-four percent of the 911 homicide callers included extraneous information in their call. Of those, 96 percent were guilty of the offense, and only 4 percent were innocent. Extraneous information was the strongest indicator of guilt in the study."

Thanks for posting this info. Amazing the number of cases where it all boils down to the 911 call. The 911 call made by Michelle Young's sister is the main reason I've formed the opinion she was involved in her murder. Extraneous information, focusing on herself, immediate acceptance, evasive answers, it's all there but it seems it takes forever to still build a case.

[StickyBeak]

Morning All

I am trying to get some real life things done as well, just too hooked, need rehab soon.

Does anyone remember the Pastor and Wife, think they lived next door, possibly the landlords of Ron. Thinking back to the psysic thoughts of GA. Think pastor is in GA. Just a thought, they saw what was happening to Haleigh, but why not take Junior as well? JMO

[Texas48]

Okay!! Here's the right link.

This is an important piece of information. It destroys Misty's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

56 seconds into the video @2:25 am a neighbor hears yelling and screaming coming from the trailor. Question remains, who was yelling and screaming? Misty, Haliegh, stranger?I posted this a few min. ago. I found it while reading the link that patty posted. I had not heard this either. Neighbor said 2:25am. I can say when I listened to it I was shocked. I thought I was the only one that had NOT heard this as I do miss alot...

[KatyDid]

I posted this a few min. ago. I found it while reading the link that patty posted. I had not heard this either. Neighbor said 2:25am. I can say when I listened to it I was shocked. I thought I was the only one that had NOT heard this as I do miss alot...

Oh my, 2:25 AM. That is 30 minutes earlier than Misty reported. :scared:

Surely LE has talked with this neighbor and addressed Misty as to the discrepancy in the timeline.

[Texas48]

I hate sharing this aspect of my life but when my daughter died, I could not find the cordless phone on the charger where it should have been. I hit speakerphone on the base and called 911 and I said screamed something like that I need an ambulance and my address and hung up. Turns out I was never speaking to 911 to begin with but I didn't know that until later. The only reason I share this is because in the midst of real panic people are not too rational. They dont bother with insignificant details. Ron is a good example of that. He didn't want to share anything insignificant like a birthday and likely he couldn't even recall the answers because of his panic.

That didn't really matter since my oldest child did find the cordless phone and was talking with 911 while I was attempting CPR. They insisted on speaking with me and I got on the phone only long enough to demand an ambulance and ask for CPR instructions. Then I got off again and gave it back to my oldest daughter. If they asked me anything I do not remember it but I sure wouldnt have wasted my time answering it.

Now there have been other times there was a true emergency and I called 911. Like my daughter was having a grand mal seizure and then again I was panicked but completely uninterested in answering much less volunteering anything. Like for example volunteering that she had previously been refusing her Epilepsy medication. Crucial information for a doctor but would seem unnecessary for 911 in order to attain an ambulance.I am soooo sorry for your loss bratlings.

[Texas48]

Neighbors do lie. I know from experience personally and from watching other cases that all kinds of people make up and throw out extraneous information just to get themselves on TV or involve themselves in tragedy. That is well known by LE. I do not take that neighbor too seriously knowing that they supposedly heard that but did not call 911 at the time.You could be right bratlings about the neighbor. People do make up things as we have all seen w/cases. And my first question would have been why they did NOT call at time of incident but also as I have seen..maybe this was an ongoing problem from the Cummings home so WHY bother to call..then some will say "I just mind my own business"..I have heard all excuses for NOT calling LE. jmo

[Texas48]

I don't understand statements like this, because if LE truly considers misty a "child" then she requires an adult present during any questioning, imo. ITA Regina and LE should be considering an innocent helpless 5 year old child somewhere out in the dark..not known what is happening to her or who she with or where they are taking her and this helpless little girl's name is HALEIGH. To heck w/ a 17 year old that took on the responsibility of this little girl. Go get her parents..how simple is that? jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Get your box of kleenix ready. This is a tearsherker. Ron and Theresa on the Today show. Its the first time I can truly say I feel sorry for the guy. He is torn up about Haleigh. He's lost a lot of weight. Of course, Theresa just brings me to my knees. Opening Haleigh's closet and seeing everything hanging there took my breath away.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696


Did you see the location of the light switch?

An "unknown intruder" has to come thru a dark hallway where the laundry room is and find a switch which is about 2-3 feet in (after a right turn) where the kitchen table is? And the switch is not on the same wall as the laundry room?

[Motomom]

Very interesting patty and TY. While I was there reading I scrolled down several post and came across a post of a youtube video which I had not seen/listened to before. Media reported a neighbor stated they heard yelling coming from the MH around 2:25am believing it to be Misty. Sane neighbor said Misty/Ron had been having problems... and so forth. Has anyone else heard where there was noise/yelling at that time of the night? I thought Misty said she awoke around 3am...???:confused:

It is interesting. I wonder if the neighbor's time is off? OR who else was there? OR was there nobody else but Haleigh and the kids? Ron didn't come home until like 320 or later right? That should be fairly easy to confirm. Could she have done something and then went back to the canal and dumped her in there? It is possible they missed her in there. OR does she know who took her?

It is interesting about the 911 calls, the links posted earlier. I read too much and am finding myself getting paranoid that I could be analyzed like this one day.

Something else I have wondered about too was misty's composure when LE got there and what she was wearing too. I've never had to call 911 for any kind of emergency like this, kids fighting...but not like this. So I think I would stay in my pajamas. I dont' think I would change. If Misty was out of the trailer or had someone coming over, how would she be dressed?

[Texas48]

Drat!!! I just read that Ron was on GMA today, being interviewed and walking thru the trailor. Did anyone happen to see it? I saw only where he was showing Haleigh's bedroom.

[VC2]

Swarovski...I did the very same thing last night...LOL...I told myself I was going to do housework today..and not stay on this case..so, here I am with you...LOL.

The link you posted was very interesting.

From what I get from the link above - others may see it differently.

Ron is innocent - I have always felt that way, even though he has not made some good choices a long the way in my opinion.

Most of all - he needs to be getting on camera IMO

Misty is guilty - Which I have always thought she holds the key to this case.

Anyway, thanks for the link - it proved to me what I have thought all along.

MOO

I agree with you completely that Ron is innocent.

Its easy to jump to misty but i have some serious issues with it being her even though it seems the obvious

She has a witness. A 4 year old, vocal and intelligent. find it hard to believe he saw nothing if it was misty and there was a big upset.

what did she do iwth the body. If for example it happened 2.25, where did she put her? She had no vehicle. If you want to argue it happened earlier and she called someone, then phone records would show that. If it was when the cousin was over then i seriously doubt he would cover for her after she threw him under the bus. A 5 year olds body does not just disappear and i sure dont believe TN took it with her

[Motomom]

The best thing Ron could do for his image right now is to dump Misty. Its only a matter of time before she dumps him.

moo

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. For his image, I agree a bit. But if she is the key to where Haleigh is or what happened, I'd keep her real close because she is bound to slip up IMO.

[Texas48]

Your are very welcome!
I live my life with Hope & Faith, they have sustained me thru the darkest days. We just NEVER know, my hope contains the theory that Misty has not been at all truthful and there in lies the hope, maybe somebody was trying to get back @ her or Ron, or both. Maybe they did whatever they did (hoping kidnapped here), to get back at her for rejecting them or to cause a rift between Misty & Ron, knowing full well, if Haleigh came up missing, on HER watch, Ron would look at Misty in a different light and probably kiss her off. There are so many strange people who's way of thinking is twisted from the "norm". I sure would like to know what LE found in the cell phone records and who else Misty might have been gaming with, on the side. Now that it's come this far and been this long, "they, he, she (?)" don't know how to return Haleigh without getting into a world of big trouble. I sure wish Misty would "come clean" and fill in the blanks with the truth, Haleigh might just stand a chance. My gut feeling is that Haleigh is missing because Misty did or did not do something and she is too scared of Ron and LE to tell the truth now.

The Faith part comes from my Grandma, we learned and lived religion, it was not a choice at our house, I thank my Grandma for that when I hit my knees every night.
:wub:
HOPE FOR HALEIGH!
Beachpatty I grew up at the blessed hands of my grandma who taught me the same as you. :wub:for Haleigh

[crymeariver2006]

I agree with you completely that Ron is innocent.

Its easy to jump to misty but i have some serious issues with it being her even though it seems the obvious

She has a witness. A 4 year old, vocal and intelligent. find it hard to believe he saw nothing if it was misty and there was a big upset.

what did she do iwth the body. If for example it happened 2.25, where did she put her? She had no vehicle. If you want to argue it happened earlier and she called someone, then phone records would show that. If it was when the cousin was over then i seriously doubt he would cover for her after she threw him under the bus. A 5 year olds body does not just disappear and i sure dont believe TN took it with her

I don't know if Misty had a vehicle or not, or even access to a vehicle because I don't know if she even had a driver's license....but...in the video (last week) of Misty taking things from the house, loading what looks like at least one duffel bag into the trunk of a car....isn't that the same car that was parked in front of the house in the photos shown after the disappearance?

IIRC, Ron drives a white truck (the one shown in the Today Show video) and many of us wondered who the black car belonged to.

:shrug:

[VC2]

It is interesting. I wonder if the neighbor's time is off? OR who else was there? OR was there nobody else but Haleigh and the kids? Ron didn't come home until like 320 or later right? That should be fairly easy to confirm. Could she have done something and then went back to the canal and dumped her in there? It is possible they missed her in there. OR does she know who took her?

It is interesting about the 911 calls, the links posted earlier. I read too much and am finding myself getting paranoid that I could be analyzed like this one day.

Something else I have wondered about too was misty's composure when LE got there and what she was wearing too. I've never had to call 911 for any kind of emergency like this, kids fighting...but not like this. So I think I would stay in my pajamas. I dont' think I would change. If Misty was out of the trailer or had someone coming over, how would she be dressed?

canal is 8 blocks away. I dont see Misty carrying a dead child for 8 blocks.

i dont think i am ready to buy this neighbors story because if its true it makes it even harder to believe that misty managed to hide haleigh's body without a car. Not saying they are lying but houses can be weird. Last weekend there were dogs barking furiously, on and on, even had my friend go look outside to be sure that my 78 year old neighbor on the right did not have a problem with her little miniature american husky, like a big dog coming and fighting. Turned out that my neighbor on the LEFT had brought 4 big dogs up that wouldn't shut up.

If there had been a crime i would have sworn up and down that i heard barking from my other neighbors not the one it was at bc of the weird bounce of the voices against the trees and buildings.

[?noanswer]

Oh my, 2:25 AM. That is 30 minutes earlier than Misty reported. :scared:

Surely LE has talked with this neighbor and addressed Misty as to the discrepancy in the timeline.

Maybe the noise the neighbor heard (if she indeed did hear something) was the kidnappers. Misty's account of waking up could still be true.

I don't have any idea what happened to Haleigh, but lots of things gets muddied by the accounts morphing into something different being posted. Until we hear details from LE, we should take everything else with a grain of salt. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I sure did. ron must be reading the boards to be pointing out the location of the light switch. Your right, it would be difficult to locate the switch if you have never been there before.

I've been listening to this video again, it does pay to relisten I've found. This deputy either had a slip , or he is mistaken. He says *Misty and Haleigh's scent was traced to the water by the search dogs. Misty's scent????

http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html

I think that's when Misty told LE that she would walk to her brother's house when they asked her if she ever took the children for a walk.

I could be wrong though, but what did they use of Misty's to track Haleigh? And why?

[?noanswer]

Did you see the location of the light switch?

An "unknown intruder" has to come thru a dark hallway where the laundry room is and find a switch which is about 2-3 feet in (after a right turn) where the kitchen table is? And the switch is not on the same wall as the laundry room?


Did anyone say this was the switch for the kitchen light? I only saw Ron showing where a switch was dusted for prints. Lots of time, a light can be turned on/off at two/three locations. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe the noise the neighbor heard (if she indeed did hear something) was the kdnappers. Misty's account of waking up could still be true.

I don't have any idea what happened to Haleigh, but lots of things gets muddied by the accounts morphing into something different being posted. Until we hear details from LE, we should take everything else with a grain of salt. JMO

IF (the big IF), the neighbor heard the actual kidnapping from that far away....and Misty STILL slept thru the whole thing????

:ohmy:

[KatyDid]

I think that's when Misty told LE that she would walk to her brother's house when they asked her if she ever took the children for a walk.

I could be wrong though, but what did they use of Misty's to track Haleigh? And why?

That is a good question, and why were the tracking Misty's scent! That doesn't make sense. Is it normal for dogs to track two scents at one time? Seems that would throw them off.

[crymeariver2006]

Did anyone say this was the switch for the kitchen light? I only saw Ron showing where a switch was dusted for prints. Lots of time, a light can be turned on/off at two/three locations. JMO

You're going to make me watch it again, aren't you? :laugh:

I would have sworn he (Ron) said "this is THE light switch", not just any old lightswitch that was dusted.

[?noanswer]

I sure did. ron must be reading the boards to be pointing out the location of the light switch. Your right, it would be difficult to locate the switch if you have never been there before.

I've been listening to this video again, it does pay to relisten I've found. This deputy either had a slip , or he is mistaken. He says *Misty and Haleigh's scent was traced to the water by the search dogs. Misty's scent????

http://www.wesh.com/video/18692416/index.html


I don't know if this is the same video, but on one video, the LE guy was saying that some bedding was placed on the ramp for the dogs to smell. That is the one where he said the dogs went toward the water. He went on to say, the wind was blowing that way and could have blown the smell toward the water. JMO

[KatyDid]

I don't know if this is the same video, but on one video, the LE guy was saying that some bedding was placed on the ramp for the dogs to smell. That is the one where he said the dogs went toward the water. He went on to say, the wind was blowing that way and could have blown the smell toward the water. JMO

I wish we could hear from the dog handlers. Something about this doesn't add up.

[Motomom]

Did you see my later post about Misty's scent being traced by the scent dogs to the water? I'm not sure if LE slipped that fact out, or was mistaken. But it is a curious idea to ponder.

Yes I did. Another interesting tidbit.

To VC 8 blocks is a long way to carry a body, you are right. A wagon could have been used, is there anything missing from the yard toy wise I wonder? Could the scent have been there from earlier though?

Maybe something is about to break in this case.. lets hope.

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know if this is the same video, but on one video, the LE guy was saying that some bedding was placed on the ramp for the dogs to smell. That is the one where he said the dogs went toward the water. He went on to say, the wind was blowing that way and could have blown the smell toward the water. JMO


If what he says is true and the dogs were confused over the wind blowing, (especially in Florida), then IMO those dogs need to be retired as they are basically useless in searches for people.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

And how did that Van get the gash that nite. Who was really driving it??

We don't even know if there's a gash in the van. That's just what Misty's dad was saying.

We don't even know there is a van!

LOL

[breeze53]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/haleigh-cummings-.html

Comment by Hal Boedecker about Ron's appearance on the Today show.

By the way, I hope you all wached it by now.

I didnt is there a link to it. sorry all for having to ask for things alot around here I have a very sick husband and sometimes I can just get on and read for a min or so. I know I miss alot:sad:

[KatyDid]

If what he says is true and the dogs were confused over the wind blowing, (especially in Florida), then IMO those dogs need to be retired as they are basically useless in searches for people.

JMO

That's what I'm saying too. This is not typical of trained dogs. They do not track two scents at one time.

Something isn't right about the whole dog search thing. At least, the reporting of it by media and LE.

[Kelly3820]

If what he says is true and the dogs were confused over the wind blowing, (especially in Florida), then IMO those dogs need to be retired as they are basically useless in searches for people.

JMO

Trained scent dogs are very good around water. Do we know if any of the dogs went in a boat cause if they picked up Haleigh's scent to the water they also can be used to say where she was put in the water. I would think that the FBI has some very well trained dogs.

[Kelly3820]

I also would like to know how many times has Misty taken the kids for walk to the water.

[CelticDawn]

As opposed to innocent parent 911 calls like these...

"Brenda: My daughter's not in her bed this morning. She's only seven. " http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20020607-9999_1n7brenda_911.html

and

"A man just broke into my house, and they said he took my daughter....Her name is Polly Klaas,''

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-6365233_ITM

and

"Patsy: “We have a kidnapping. Hurry, please!” "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3079093/
EXACTLY what I am talking about.

In most of the cases of ramblers...it was to consciously distract from the problem at hand.


<I know Im behind here>

[Kelly3820]

Well, I thought I had the link working, but I guess I don't.

I take your words for it though.

Isn't the water a lot closer then 8 blocks?

Do you think it is possible ...Misty was jealous of Haleigh?

Everyone has talked about how much Ron loved Haleigh.

I also think Ron was pointing to the light switch that turned on the kitchen light. I think that is why they showed it on the show. I don't think they would just show any light switch on the Today show.



According to Crystal she had asked Haleigh about Misty and Haleigh told her mom she loved Misty and that she was good to her and brother.

[IlliniFan]

I have sort of an O/T question....

Someone posted a day or so ago, that 2 State's Attorneys had been in the trailer. Do they get involved in the investigation of a crime??, or do they only get involved when building a case against someone???

tia

[VC2]

Canal is 8 blocks away? If you look at the Cummings property, there is water right at their property line. No need to walk 8 blocks.

moo

I remember clearly them saying it was 8 blocks, when i had thought it was just out back. There was a google map to showing it that far away

[?noanswer]

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Camp-Moving/a_0QuGjlqEGSfHRA-AiTJw.cspx

Cummings moving, don't want to waste LE time with trying to stay. Want LE to spend time looking for Haleigh. JMO

[IlliniFan]

I have been wondering the same thing.

Why the two State Attorneys...what were they doing?????


I sure don't know....I'm hoping maybe someone here might have an idea. It might be insignificant.

I have to believe, despite what LE says publically, that they have a good idea of what might have happened to Haleigh, and who is responsible.

Still holding out hope that she's still with us...

[CC I See]

Here's a link about a psychic that states "she watch Haleigh being kidnapped"

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11268&highlight=haleigh+cummings&page=62


I hope I have not violated TOS, please let me know (anybody) and I will delete. I posted just the link, I think that is what's allowed :confused:


Beachpatty..... the thing about Psychics is that we usually get a different story from each one that "reads" a missing person case. 10 Psychics, 10 completely different stories about what happened to Haleigh. I like to stick with the facts of a case.

[Deb7]

"WHO WAS THE CALL ABOUT?

Topic of the Call

When contacting 911, innocent individuals remained focused on the victim. For example, one caller urgently stated, “This guy’s hurt real bad. Tell them to hurry!”

Why would individuals call the emergency line and concentrate on themselves, reporting a problem without asking the dispatcher for assistance for the person who needs it? The following dialogue occurred when a father called 911 concerning his son:

Dispatcher: 911. What is your emergency?

Guilty caller: I have an unconscious child who is breathing very shallowly.

In this case, the father took personal possession of a problem (“I have”) and referred to his problem (his dying son) as “an unconscious child.” When the paramedics arrived at the residence, the child already had died. The father had assaulted his son, causing cerebral hemorrhaging. Twelve percent of the 911 callers in the study took personal possession of the problem. All were guilty of the homicide. "

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/june2008/june2008leb.htm#page22

Misty's first words on the 911 call....

"Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”"

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_1.html


"Forty-four percent of the 911 homicide callers included extraneous information in their call. Of those, 96 percent were guilty of the offense, and only 4 percent were innocent. Extraneous information was the strongest indicator of guilt in the study."


Hi Bratlings! I found this post to be very interesting. But, I think the father in that example seemed detached of any ownership. He didn't say anything about it being his own child in that sentence which makes me think he was trying to separate himself from the crime.
Anyway, why I responded to your post was to ask you or anyone how they would respond in a 911 situation where their own child was involved? I don't think I could make the call without saying "my" or "I" a whole bunch of times. I can sincerely say, that if my child was involved in an accident (meaning I wasn't the one who harmed her) or if she was kidnapped I would use the word "I" or "my" throughout the whole 911 conversation. How else would you convey the message to the dispatcher that your child was harmed or missing without using those words?
Please help me here.
TIA

[emdragon]

Hi Bratlings! I found this post to be very interesting. But, I think the father in that example seemed detached of any ownership. He didn't say anything about it being his own child in that sentence which makes me think he was trying to separate himself from the crime.
Anyway, why I responded to your post was to ask you or anyone how they would respond in a 911 situation where their own child was involved? I don't think I could make the call without saying "my" or "I" a whole bunch of times. I can sincerely say, that if my child was involved in an accident (meaning I wasn't the one who harmed her) or if she was kidnapped I would use the word "I" or "my" throughout the whole 911 conversation. How else would you convey the message to the dispatcher that your child was harmed or missing without using those words?
Please help me here.
TIA

I read this FBI article the other night and found it very interesting.

I think the use of "my daughter" or even "I need help" alone would not lead me to believe someone was guilty- It is the urgency in their voice, the modulation. (and what i found interesting is that according to that- being polite is a sign of guilt while the impatient caller using obscenities would lead to a sign of innocence.)

[beachpatty]

..... the thing about Psychics is that we usually get a different story from each one that "reads" a missing person case. 10 Psychics, 10 completely different stories about what happened to Haleigh. I like to stick with the facts of a case.


O, me too, for sure, I just saw that link and posted it to share.
I hate when they are on tv and you can see them fishing for the end result. "I see someone with green eyes in the picture" when the person states that the subject they inquired about, the psychic twists it around to a relative, friend, etc. The people looking for answers or "contacts" are wanting to hear something so badly, they usually play right into it, believing the whole time. I hate when it's so obvious to an outsider, that the poor person is being shammed.

Beachpatty

[mrsmcgoo]

Was hoping to read that Haleigh was found today. :sad:

I have been thinking alot about Misty and her not hearing anything the night Haleigh went missing. I was wondering if she has a drug history? I keep thinking the only way she wouldn't hear anything is if she was out of it, either drunk or drugged.

Sorry if this has been discussed, I have not had the opportunity to follow any cases closely the last bit.
:blushing:

[lune3]

O, me too, for sure, I just saw that link and posted it to share.
I hate when they are on tv and you can see them fishing for the end result. "I see someone with green eyes in the picture" when the person states that the subject they inquired about, the psychic twists it around to a relative, friend, etc. The people looking for answers or "contacts" are wanting to hear something so badly, they usually play right into it, believing the whole time. I hate when it's so obvious to an outsider, that the poor person is being shammed.

Beachpatty

IMO a true psychic does not seek attention or publicity, and does not charge for their services. If there was a true psychic involved I believe we would not know about it.

[Deb7]

I read this FBI article the other night and found it very interesting.

I think the use of "my daughter" or even "I need help" alone would not lead me to believe someone was guilty- It is the urgency in their voice, the modulation. (and what i found interesting is that according to that- being polite is a sign of guilt while the impatient caller using obscenities would lead to a sign of innocence.)

I definitely agree with you on the urgency in one's voice thing. Also, it seems that you would throw your manners out the door if you were calling in during an emergency. If you were calling 911 because you were the culprit and you knew it had to be done eventually, you would most likely practice the conversation and it would be more polite.
I tried to be polite when I called 911 when my son had a seizure but I really can't even remember if I was or what I said. I would like to think that I said "my son" and "you have to hurry" probably a lot of times. I do remember being very impatient with them because they just weren't getting there as soon as I wanted them there.

[playnice]

A Reporter's Notebook

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18869267/detail.html


Stark difference in this investigation since this all began. Gee, only five officers investigating this case now. That means, no more searches, just chasing down leads, where probably have of them are bogus. I wish lE would put a call into Tim again and get him back.

moo

The families must be feeling pretty hopeless with a month gone by and LE claiming they arent any closer than they were when she went missing. I cant imagine the hell they must be going through.

[Texas48]

I hate to say this but if a child died at my hands and I had a reason to hide the body I dont care if it killed me I would carry that body 8 miles if I had to. Now I would never kill a child or hide their body... I am just saying if I did.ITA Bratlings as usual.....Not only could you/me carry a body but we could it in RECORD Time.jmo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Darn I cannot get those. What are they raising money for?

When the Sund Org donates 5k what is it suppose to go for?

A new tattoo to cover "Teresa" on Ron's chest?

Sorry. I just watched the youtube where Ron is telling the guy what else he needs tatted. My bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n0rdjn&s=5

[Texas48]

First photo. Satelliate Image of the area. Look at all that water! And the large body produces smaller inlets onto the land. Deep enough for folks to own boats.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10848Oh Dear there is large areas of water. I believe it would be safe to say Haleigh did not wander to the water on her own. Actually...Swarovski..what clues do we have? I am about to have a high blood pressure attack. lol. I am such a noisey old woman and LE is not telling us squat. jmo

[Texas48]

HA HA!!......I never heard that saying!!
She has to be from Texas...

[crymeariver2006]

Darn I cannot get those. What are they raising money for?

When the Sund Org donates 5k what is it suppose to go for?

In past cases (Laci Peterson being one), the Sund-Carrington fund usually goes to the reward.

Again, IIRC.

[Texas48]

A Reporter's Notebook

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18869267/detail.html


Stark difference in this investigation since this all began. Gee, only five officers investigating this case now. That means, no more searches, just chasing down leads, where probably have of them are bogus. I wish lE would put a call into Tim again and get him back.

mooAnd here I was thinking LE should put in a call to ALL of us. lol..you are right..I also believe the searches are over for now. One would hope by now LE would have much more and it is possible they do..just NOT sharing yet. jmo

[Texas48]

The families must be feeling pretty hopeless with a month gone by and LE claiming they arent any closer than they were when she went missing. I cant imagine the hell they must be going through.I got the feeling this am while watching Ron on GMA that..maybe..he is loosing hope for Haleigh's safe return. Now reading that he is moving campsite w/out requesting more time from county. SAD

[playnice]

I got the feeling this am while watching Ron on GMA that..maybe..he is loosing hope for Haleigh's safe return. Now reading that he is moving campsite w/out requesting more time from county. SAD

I pray for them every day that there will be a break in this case and Haleigh will be found.

[VC2]

A Reporter's Notebook

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18869267/detail.html


Stark difference in this investigation since this all began. Gee, only five officers investigating this case now. That means, no more searches, just chasing down leads, where probably have of them are bogus. I wish lE would put a call into Tim again and get him back.

moo

It is an outrage. This LE refuses to let anyone know any facts, then essentially stops searching, tells Tim to leave, and now has put a skeleton crew on the case.

IF they had a lot of info that could break the case they were keeping quiet with an arrest and body imminent maybe i wouldn't be so angry but imo its become clear these guys are buffoons and any idea that they are keeping quiet bc they have info is wishful thinking

IMO

[Peaches]

I didnt is there a link to it. sorry all for having to ask for things alot around here I have a very sick husband and sometimes I can just get on and read for a min or so. I know I miss alot:sad:



Breeze.................so sorry to hear about your husband. I hope that he will recover. God bless both of you!

[VC2]

Family Hoping To Raise Money

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18887232/index.html


eta. I wish the family would contact the Sund Carrington Org. The do donate 5k and will supply a spokesperson to guide the family. I bet Theresa could use someone like that right about now.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18887232/index.html

I am sad about two things, one i doubt the family has any sort of idea that there is the sund carrington organization and i truly believe that the lack of LE info combined with Crystal and her moms attacks on Ron were all the media had. Whether you agree or not, it made him/them/family look unsympathetic and the public became much less involved. This meant less pressure on LE as well.

imo

[lune3]

Very interesting patty and TY. While I was there reading I scrolled down several post and came across a post of a youtube video which I had not seen/listened to before. Media reported a neighbor stated they heard yelling coming from the MH around 2:25am believing it to be Misty. Sane neighbor said Misty/Ron had been having problems... and so forth. Has anyone else heard where there was noise/yelling at that time of the night? I thought Misty said she awoke around 3am...???:confused:

Looking at this, the neighbour heard a "woman" yelling at 2:25am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

In the article "Neighbour hears commotion" (can't find the link right now), it doesn't mention a time or a "woman" yelling, just that the neigbour (Poppen?) heard a commotion, went out and learned that Haleigh was missing.

So in the article one could deduce that the neighbour heard noise after Ron/police were there (ie after 3:30) and the "commotion" was yelling by Ron et al.

But in the youtube video, it's obvious this happened BEFORE Ron and police were around, if the 2:25 is correct.

I'm wondering, is the reporting in the youtube accurate? If it is, then it proves Misty had someone over, or she was yelling by herself after discovering Haleigh was gone.

If you are yelling by yourself, I'd think you'd be calling out Haleigh's name. Not sure if the neighbour would hear that, the name, but if he heard "commotion", I'd think he'd hear a name being called out (I think). I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense that a "commotion" involves only one person.

In any case, if accurate, someone besides Misty was there,.... or Misty was completely confused about what time she discovered H missing. A half hour( or rather a whole hour before Ron came home) seems a long time to be in a panic yelling and searching for H and not mentioning that in the 911 call or in subsequent interviews with reporters. We don't know what she might have told LE in the interrogations later, but it just seems odd that this fact was left out. If she found H missing at 2:25 wouldn't it be natural to call Ron then, or call 911, or to run to a neighbour's house to find help?
Trying to play devil's advocate in favour of Misty but this youtube thing is giving me problems.

[crymeariver2006]

I am sad about two things, one i doubt the family has any sort of idea that there is the sund carrington organization and i truly believe that the lack of LE info combined with Crystal and her moms attacks on Ron were all the media had. Whether you agree or not, it made him/them/family look unsympathetic and the public became much less involved. This meant less pressure on LE as well.

imo

Look, I can agree that BOTH families have been drug thru the mud, but I don't see how you can put all the blame on Crystal or her mother.

Who blamed Teresa Neves for talking about the fight with the cousin over the gun? No one. Who blamed her when Ron denied it? No one.

That tattoo, IMO, was the turning point in sympathy for Ron. Maybe it shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Again, IMO.

[VC2]

That is what I was hoping. Where is the FBI in all this?

probably not involved much except for a profile and ready to help with any evidence but not even sure about that after the jaw dropping "bad dna" samples that had to be redone. They don't normally do the primary investigating, they are to assist the local LE..and im betting dollars to donuts that this new sheriff doesn't want much of their help. First big case on his watch, wants to prove they can handle it themselves.

Look at what they have done/not done that we know of.

1. stopped searching very early. even if they thought/knew she was dead it was no reason

2. didn't search dumpsters just meters from the home let alone further for a couple of weeks. (oh and remember the tv footage when they did get around to it..never seen such an unprofessional thing. What if they lifted a bag and haleigh's leg came out?? great way to let the family know)

3. had to redo their DNA samples, unheard of! shades Dennis Fung from Oj. I think they lost them! how else do you screw up more than one dna sample

4. Takes Ron to the station that night bu5t not misty..wtf? knee jerk assumption that male killed girl?

and that is just stuff we know of
imo

[playnice]

I think alot more people will be reluctant to get involved also since the Kronk situation and how he discovered a body and got ripped to pieces for it and his whole life made public. That was so widely publicized that alot of people will think twice before getting involved.

[VC2]

Look, I can agree that BOTH families have been drug thru the mud, but I don't see how you can put all the blame on Crystal or her mother.

Who blamed Teresa Neves for talking about the fight with the cousin over the gun? No one. Who blamed her when Ron denied it? No one.

That tattoo, IMO, was the turning point in sympathy for Ron. Maybe it shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Again, IMO.

bc crystal and her mom were attackig ron from day 2. Neither ron or teresa attacked crystal and still haven't

i dont get the tattoo bit, for someone in a lifestyle where tattoo's are meaningful as opposed to just fun things it makes perfect sense that if he is offered a tattoo of his missing daughter he jump at it. Its a tangible symbol of his love for her in his mind and after all the time he knows she is gone forever, at least deep down he does tho im sure he can't admit it fully. however i was talking about even before he got a tattoo, since i have been pretty ill since then most of my feelings are based on earlier.

imo

[playnice]

I dont see how any GM out there could not have compassion for Theresa. There is no doubt that her heart is ripped in a million pieces and you just want to reach out and hug her and comfort her.
I cant watch her without crying as I have a gd 4 yrs old and can only imagine the pain she is in and Id bet its 10 times worse than one can even imagine.
Something has to give soon. No one should have to go thru that.

[VC2]

What Ron's family has is a treasure in Theresa. Anyone following this case has fallen in love with her. She's like a mama bear taking care of her cubs. As a mom, myself, I can appreciate her protection of Ron, even though she sees his warts, (meaning his faults),. It might be time for Theresa to be a little more aggresive with Ron, though, and get him further away from Misty. Wouldn't be a bad idea for Ron to spend some quality time with his son. Junior could probably use his Dad more than ever these days.

Lol, look at me, trying to give Theresa advice from behind my comp screen.:punch:bopping myself

moo

lol, he sure does have a treasure in her. Agree completely. I did read an article lately where either she said or Ron said that he is spending a lot of time with Junior, playing and doing boy things, its the one way he can try and stay sane. iirc it was in the article where he said (or she said he said) that he didn't want junior on tv - after the craig thing.

Theresa is a great spokesperson for the family and yep a mama bear. I know this makes no sense but its why i feel so certain that Ron loved his daughter with all his heart and was a good father to her. There is no way that she would have allowed him to be otherwise, and just growing up with her would have givin him a good role model as far as a good parent goes. Warts yes..temper, a past that was not the best, but imo grew up when he became a single dad.

imo

[VC2]

I dont see how any GM out there could not have compassion for Theresa. There is no doubt that her heart is ripped in a million pieces and you just want to reach out and hug her and comfort her.
I cant watch her without crying as I have a gd 4 yrs old and can only imagine the pain she is in and Id bet its 10 times worse than one can even imagine.
Something has to give soon. No one should have to go thru that.

my heart breaks for her too. She is not just broken but you get the feeling she is truly a NICE person. The real meaning of the word. She is strong too, somehow protecting her whole family as swarv said while falling apart inside herself.

[aproudmom]

Oh sorry breeze. I know how difficult it is to care for someone ill. I've been down that path.


Here is the Link to the Today Show.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696

Wow thanks for the link I had not seen it I did not even know he had been back in the house.

[playnice]

You know what? Finding that video this morning and seeing that 2:25 am report I had a thought. Its been said, espcially by experts in the Casey case, that there always is some truth in lies. Misty has never wavered that she was *cleaning* at 10pm. What if she had company that night, and she did have to clean later prior to Ron coming home. Getting rid of the remnants, ciggie butts, bottles, drug paraphanalia, etc. She also said she used that rear door for taking out trash. Suppose she did use that door that night, and did take out the party trash and left the door open.

moo

Hopefully LE did take that trash.

[aproudmom]

I got the feeling this am while watching Ron on GMA that..maybe..he is loosing hope for Haleigh's safe return. Now reading that he is moving campsite w/out requesting more time from county. SAD

ITA But I am sure they have been told after this amount of time it does not look well in getting her home safe he even said he wanted her home to him or to God either way he just wanted her back. JMO

[?noanswer]

Looking at this, the neighbour heard a "woman" yelling at 2:25am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

In the article "Neighbour hears commotion" (can't find the link right now), it doesn't mention a time or a "woman" yelling, just that the neigbour (Poppen?) heard a commotion, went out and learned that Haleigh was missing.

So in the article one could deduce that the neighbour heard noise after Ron/police were there (ie after 3:30) and the "commotion" was yelling by Ron et al.

But in the youtube video, it's obvious this happened BEFORE Ron and police were around, if the 2:25 is correct.

I'm wondering, is the reporting in the youtube accurate? If it is, then it proves Misty had someone over, or she was yelling by herself after discovering Haleigh was gone.

If you are yelling by yourself, I'd think you'd be calling out Haleigh's name. Not sure if the neighbour would hear that, the name, but if he heard "commotion", I'd think he'd hear a name being called out (I think). I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense that a "commotion" involves only one person.

In any case, if accurate, someone besides Misty was there,.... or Misty was completely confused about what time she discovered H missing. A half hour( or rather a whole hour before Ron came home) seems a long time to be in a panic yelling and searching for H and not mentioning that in the 911 call or in subsequent interviews with reporters. We don't know what she might have told LE in the interrogations later, but it just seems odd that this fact was left out. If she found H missing at 2:25 wouldn't it be natural to call Ron then, or call 911, or to run to a neighbour's house to find help?
Trying to play devil's advocate in favour of Misty but this youtube thing is giving me problems.

Wasn't the person saying the commotion after LE was there woke him a "He"? In the You tube, the reporter says "She". I'm thinking these might be two different people. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

bc crystal and her mom were attackig ron from day 2. Neither ron or teresa attacked crystal and still haven't

i dont get the tattoo bit, for someone in a lifestyle where tattoo's are meaningful as opposed to just fun things it makes perfect sense that if he is offered a tattoo of his missing daughter he jump at it. Its a tangible symbol of his love for her in his mind and after all the time he knows she is gone forever, at least deep down he does tho im sure he can't admit it fully. however i was talking about even before he got a tattoo, since i have been pretty ill since then most of my feelings are based on earlier.

imo

Crystal has even said that she didn't think Ron did or would do anything to hurt Haleigh.

Ron had lots of sympathy, and still has. But you have to admit that regular people (like me) can't appreciate or even think about driving 3 hours out of town, sitting for another possible 4 hours, and then driving back 3 hours to get a tattoo on any day of the week, let alone when your child is missing. And it really doesn't matter who paid for it either. People don't care about that. They think he's got money for that, he doesn't need my help with his "living expenses".

Several of us voiced the concern that the tattoo was a bad PR move on Ron's part and would cause the general public to turn away from supporting him. That concern is and was well founded, IMO.

[?noanswer]

I dont see how any GM out there could not have compassion for Theresa. There is no doubt that her heart is ripped in a million pieces and you just want to reach out and hug her and comfort her.
I cant watch her without crying as I have a gd 4 yrs old and can only imagine the pain she is in and Id bet its 10 times worse than one can even imagine.
Something has to give soon. No one should have to go thru that.

It seems the paternal side of the family shows much more grief emotion than the people on the maternal side. The maternal side's emotions seems to be directed at anger toward RC. I don't know if this means anything as I guess some people are more emotional than others. But when the paternal side is interviewed, they break you heart. They are totally devastated. JMO

[Dogmatic]

For the life of me I cannot get passed this :

I'm 17, home with two very young children. I wake in the middle of the night and see the kitchen light on that I did not leave on and the back door wide open, with the screen propped open.

Now I'm to believe that I wouldn't freak out immediately and dial 911?????? 20 to 25 minutes later, 911 is called, but all this time Misty remains in the house alone where a potential intruder may be???? Why was she only concerned about Haleigh missing? Why wasn't she concerned for her own safety and that of Jr?

I just can't process that information. I can't get passed it

[AmndaRcknwth]

Crystal has even said that she didn't think Ron did or would do anything to hurt Haleigh.

Ron had lots of sympathy, and still has. But you have to admit that regular people (like me) can't appreciate or even think about driving 3 hours out of town, sitting for another possible 4 hours, and then driving back 3 hours to get a tattoo on any day of the week, let alone when your child is missing. And it really doesn't matter who paid for it either. People don't care about that. They think he's got money for that, he doesn't need my help with his "living expenses".

Several of us voiced the concern that the tattoo was a bad PR move on Ron's part and would cause the general public to turn away from supporting him. That concern is and was well founded, IMO.


That's where i am too. Questioning my empathy or sympathy or whatever. I don't think Ron hurt Haleigh. Not sure what I think of Misty.
I don'tcare if Ron puts Haleighs face all over himself, it just really was a bad move at the time.

And to remark about whether Crystal should have kept her mouth shut about Ron, well, that is part of why we like to follow certain cases, the juice. If we are to be honest about it. If Crystal, Ron or Misty turned up in dirty photos (like Casey) you can't tell me we wouldn't be ALL over that.

[AmndaRcknwth]

For the life of me I cannot get passed this :

I'm 17, home with two very young children. I wake in the middle of the night and see the kitchen light on that I did not leave on and the back door wide open, with the screen propped open.

Now I'm to believe that I wouldn't freak out immediately and dial 911?????? 20 to 25 minutes later, 911 is called, but all this time Misty remains in the house alone where a potential intruder may be???? Why was she only concerned about Haleigh missing? Why wasn't she concerned for her own safety and that of Jr?

I just can't process that information. I can't get passed it


And there you have it. HinkymeterMisty!

[?noanswer]

There were two different reports of neighbors hearing a commotion. The first report was an un named neighbor. The second was a Poppin?, *Groan*, please don't ask me to search for both those videos. I linked them both here this am.

moo

I don't need to see them again. But I do wonder how close to RC's trailer each of those people lived. I got the impression from the "He" account that he lived next door, but I don't remember any information about how close the "She" lived. JMO

[Peaches]

I have to agree with this. It is what turned me off to Crystal and her mom immediately. The first or second day Ron and Crystal were being interviewed together. The reporter tried to get Ron to say something bad about Crystal when they asked why Ron had custody of the children. Ron was very respectful and said that he didn't want to go into details and he wasn't interested in saying bad things about the childrens mother, he wanted the focus to be on finding Haligh.

Wish Crystal had felt the same way.


Many of us feel the same as you do about this...................MOO is that Crystal's mom is the one pushing her to say these bad things about Ron.

If left alone, I think that she and Ron would have been united looking for their child...........not a couple............but parents who want more than anything to have their child home.

Cystal said that Ron loved HaLeigh -- that she was his heart. She also said that she loved Misty. Children usually tell the truth about such tings. MOO

My heart is heavy for this and all that have lost a child. It is my hope that LE will find HaLeigh -------------whether to bring her back to her earthly father or that she is with her heavenly father. I pray that they can find this precious child. Not knowing would be torture. MOO

And...............I hope that whoever hurt/took this baby will be held accountable...........

[aproudmom]

I have to agree I respect Ron and his mother for not bad mouthing the other side.

I don't even think Crystal would have ...but, I have a feeling she has a pushy mother...and Crystal then started talking bad about Ron.

At the same time...I know a lot of people think the Tattoo is no big deal, but if you think about it - it really is. Whoever paid for the $400.00 to get the Ron a Tattoo - I am sure would have donated the $400.00 for reward money- food money,etc....if Ron would have asked them to. Also, in the video it looks like Ron is planning on getting more Tattoo's. I also, truly feel Ron's heart is broken - but, he should have known how people may look at him - spending money on Tattoo's when other's are trying to RAISE money.

I never did find out what his mom said about it - Can someone tell me?

I am not saying anything bad about Tattoo's - some of my family have them - it is all in the timing of when he got the Tattoo's in my opinion.

________

I am also starting to think the police do not have anything. I was hoping for so long they were just being closed mouthed about - but, I am not feeling that way anymore. I think they have made some huge mistakes and the dumpster was one of them. I think sending TES home was one of the worst mistakes.

__________

I also know a few of us are wondering....what was the deal with the two states attorneys?....Can anyone tell us information about that?

MOO

I dont look to much into the Tattoo I think he wanted to have his baby girl which he calls her close to him I have not and do not want to ever walk in thier shoes so I wont judge him over a tattoo NOW casey Anthony she got one also during the time her little caylee was no longer alive do to her I do see that as being a sick thing heck she could have had something on her other than some word can't even remember it now..ALL JMO

I think RC did nothing to his daughter I think Misti was scared to tell him she was gone she sounds scared on the 911 call not upset or crying scared and as someone else posted I also think she would be afraid for her and Jr. and not just wait around for RC before calling 911 I do not think we have everything yet I still feel they are watching someone and have a idea of what could have happened but need more before a arrest. also MO

[emdragon]

On at least two occassions, one being the Geraldo interview, Crystal has complimented Ron saying that Hayleigh was his heart. Come on people, if you were in Crystal's shoes, and your daughter went missing on your ex's watch, wouldn't you have just a teeney bit of anger. You can't blame Crystal for the lack of sympathy the public has towards Ron. He's done a good job of that, all by himself.

moo

Yeah I can blame her- there is a time and a place to vent your anger but when you are begging people to help you find your daughter isn't it.
Crystal is very passive aggressive- "Haleigh is his heart-He beat her"

The only thing Ron has done is get a tattoo and the attacks on him started long before that.

[Dogmatic]

I dont look to much into the Tattoo I think he wanted to have his baby girl which he calls her close to him I have not and do not want to ever walk in thier shoes so I wont judge him over a tattoo NOW casey Anthony she got one also during the time her little caylee was no longer alive do to her I do see that as being a sick thing heck she could have had something on her other than some word can't even remember it now..ALL JMO

I think RC did nothing to his daughter I think Misti was scared to tell him she was gone she sounds scared on the 911 call not upset or crying scared and as someone else posted I also think she would be afraid for her and Jr. and not just wait around for RC before calling 911 I do not think we have everything yet I still feel they are watching someone and have a idea of what could have happened but need more before a arrest. also MO

I can totally understand her looking around the house for Haleigh for a few minutes before calling 911, had there not been very obvious signs of intrusion from an outsider.

As soon as she saw the door open, dial 911 and call Ron second.


I'm very puzzled that she knew Haleigh was missing but showed no signs of fear of the intruder who could very well have still been in the home.

[lune3]

I don't need to see them again. But I do wonder how close to RC's trailer each of those people lived. I got the impression from the "He" account that he lived next door, but I don't remember any information about how close the "She" lived. JMO

Yes, I see now these were two accounts.

But the youtube account has me baffled since a neighbour describes a "woman" yelling, ...Misty presumedly. Who is she yelling at? Is she calling out to Haleigh after she finds her missing? Maybe. Is she yelling at someone else there? Who? I can't believe she's yelling AT Haleigh, if she hurt Haleigh at 2 25, there's no time to "dispose" of her, (and I still don't believe M hurt H). And if she were yelling a Haleigh, and H ran away, that would just be too improbable with H being afraid of the dark and all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

[FoxySly]

I think alot more people will be reluctant to get involved also since the Kronk situation and how he discovered a body and got ripped to pieces for it and his whole life made public. That was so widely publicized that alot of people will think twice before getting involved.


Yup, ITA... how sad is it that you are most probably right.

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[playnice]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Holy S**t. :w00t::w00t:

[CNTM]

Oh good Lord!! Is this for real?:cursing:

[crymeariver2006]

On at least two occassions, one being the Geraldo interview, Crystal has complimented Ron saying that Hayleigh was his heart. Come on people, if you were in Crystal's shoes, and your daughter went missing on your ex's watch, wouldn't you have just a teeney bit of anger. You can't blame Crystal for the lack of sympathy the public has towards Ron. He's done a good job of that, all by himself.

moo

You're absolutely right. But somehow, all of Ron's troubles seem to be laid at the feet of Crystal - who wasn't even there that night and Haleigh wasn't taken from her home.

Supporting one or both parents doesn't mean that the other one is at fault. Some people can identify with Ron, some can identify with Crystal. That's human nature. And you better believe if something happened to my child while in my ex-husband's care (or custody), that's not something I could just push to the side. They do, apparently, have a history be that good or bad, and a relationship that obviously didn't end on good terms.

I happen to believe that Haleigh loves (and loved) her parents equally. I doubt she ever referred to her mother as a "deadbeat", nor her father as a "drug dealer". If she did, that's something she was taught.

I also believe she loves (and loved) both grandmothers equally and had no reason to call either one an "evil doer" or "controlling".


And that is the bottom line.

[Regina.Lampert]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!


Is the husband/wife privilege retroactive?

[Dogmatic]

Some people don't realize the impact of their timing.

It needs to stay all about Haileigh. All about Haileigh..........

[5boxersmom]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Oh my. Just checking in to see if there is any news about Haleigh.

Bad timing I would say. :w00t:

[Larkin]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!


Wonder what Theresa thinks of this? :ohmy:

[Dogmatic]

Exactly! She did not call 911, she did not call her parents, she did not call Ron's parents but she called Ron and when she got no answer she waited. Makes no sense!


Not for a person who should have been fearing for her own safety and the safety of the little boy in the home.

It only makes sense to me if she was feeling no fear for her own safety.

[crymeariver2006]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Oh brother!

Usually when I hear of upcoming nuptials, I meet them with happiness and warm wishes for the couple.

However, when both are in the middle of a police investigation concerning a missing child and neither have been ruled out as suspects.....

[kitty1182]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Unreal.....Getting married would be the LAST thing on my mind if my child were missing...
I hope the truth is found out soon about what happen to Haleigh....
I'm sorry, something is not adding up here for me.

[playnice]

Yup. Is that telling you something like its telling me?

After the 2 state attorneys there Im scared. Regina may be right. I dont even want to go in that direction but sadly I just did. Ive never thought he was involved but this sure is hinky. :sad:

[crymeariver2006]

Is the husband/wife privilege retroactive?

I thought this kind of stuff only happened on the soaps!

[Larkin]

Does she dare?

LOL...on second thought ...maybe NO.

[CANDYKISSES]

I have to agree with this. It is what turned me off to Crystal and her mom immediately. The first or second day Ron and Crystal were being interviewed together. The reporter tried to get Ron to say something bad about Crystal when they asked why Ron had custody of the children. Ron was very respectful and said that he didn't want to go into details and he wasn't interested in saying bad things about the childrens mother, he wanted the focus to be on finding Haligh.

Wish Crystal had felt the same way.

You're not alone there EC....:crying:

It's just so sad all the way around and every day I pray for a miracle and that Haleigh will be returned to her family.

:wub:

[cat3]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Oh my.What is he thinking.They have only known each other for 5 months.I would think he would have some doubts about Misty.Yikes.

[5boxersmom]

After the 2 state attorneys there Im scared. Regina may be right. I dont even want to go in that direction but sadly I just did. Ive never thought he was involved but this sure is hinky. :sad:

Yes it is hinky. I never thought he was involved either but how could you think of such a thing when your child is missing? Wow. I do not get it.

imo

[crymeariver2006]

Oh my.What is he thinking.They have only known each other for 5 months.I would think he would have some doubts about Misty.Yikes.

Well, according to Misty this is what Haleigh wanted:

This is what Haleigh wanted. She's always talked about it."

[Peaches]

I thought this kind of stuff only happened on the soaps!


This is truly the ingredients of some soaps.

Boy..................

As I have said many times...........and still hope/pray..............that no one that HaLeigh loved and/or trusted did anything to her.

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL.. I knew you would get it!!! :thumbsup:

After all these years you have rubbed off on me, in a very good way. :thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

I am not shocked at all. I think it has something to do with the DA's visit this week. With journalists now mentioning that his relationship with Misty is illegal the DA could not ignore it anymore and I believe he was put on notice.

The timing of this is beyond reprehensible though! I am now seeing Ron in the Casey Anthony light more & more.

One could look at that two ways. If they thought RC or MC were involved in the disappearance of Haleigh, I don't think they would have suggested they get married (Couldn't testify against each other) . If they thought they were not involved, maybe they suggested it would be a good idea because of the age of MC. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Sorry Folks the sympathy I had for Ron this am on the Today show, just went out the window. I'm now of the mind he is beginning to remind me of Drew Peterson.

moo

emdragon...no need to respond.

Aw, come on! This is Crystal's fault. It has to be.

Right?

Anyone?

Buelher?

:laugh:

[kitty1182]

The Reward Fund may just be feeling a pinch or two.

This makes me sick.......Misty was on my radar from the get go, now it looks as if Ron is on my radar too.....mo



I pray the truth is found out soon.....

[sammy]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...133274&catid=3

Ok, Ron's daughter is MISSING.
What does he chose to do ?
Travel across the state to get tattoo's.
Family + media reports that Ron is looking to purchase a new home.
And now an announcement that he + Misti are getting married.
Something (way too many things) are wrong with this picture. IMO

Also ....
many may disagree with me but it has always struck me as very odd that Ron just can't return to the trailer.
It would be different if it was known that a child/loved one was killed in that home ... but that is supposedly not what happened here.
In the case of a MISSING child ... most people (IMO) would find COMFORT in being able to return to the home where this child lived + where many family memories are at.

All are IMO only.

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought this kind of stuff only happened on the soaps!

Yep, but the Bold and the Beautiful this ain't....imo.

:seeya:

[playnice]

There is no way Id marry someone that was the last known person to be seen with my kid no matter how much I loved them.
There would always be that question in the back of my mind if they were being completely truthful.

I think it would hurt a relationship.

Something is not feeling right at all.

[CANDYKISSES]

Wonder what Theresa thinks of this? :ohmy:

I am guessing this could be related to all the harassment that has taken place regarding the age difference between Misty and Ron. Given that some of the unknown bloggers have basically called for his head over this and the fact that LE and Misty's parents were doing nothing about it, they must be backed into a corner by now. Just opining tho.

The idea that they are plotting a way to get away with murder is not something I find myself leaning toward, just doesn't fit with what I've seen thusfar. I still contend that Ron isn't involved in the disappearance of Haleigh. :sad:

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I know you don't believe that for one minute.:biggrin:

I don't know what to think.

(Well, yes I do. Somebody done got some "shadetree lawyer" advice, IMO)

[Regina.Lampert]

Aw, come on! This is Crystal's fault. It has to be.

Right?

Anyone?

Buelher?

:laugh:



LOL, you're frisky today. :lol:

[playnice]

This makes me sick.......Misty was on my radar from the get go, now it looks as if Ron is on my radar too.....mo



I pray the truth is found out soon.....

OK. Before I go and do a complete turn around in my thinking I have another thought because I dont want to think the worse.

Could Haleigh be hid out somewhere and this is a sham to bring in money?

[CANDYKISSES]

Sorry Folks the sympathy I had for Ron this am on the Today show, just went out the window. I'm now of the mind he is beginning to remind me of Drew Peterson.

moo

emdragon...no need to respond.


OMG, now you are actually telling posters what they shouldn't respond to in the way of posting???? GMAB....:thumbdown:

JMO

[breeze53]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!


OK there getting married is Misty pregant in this picture that was taken at Christmas time and posted on her brothers myspace it's pic #8 . She looks it to me.

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

[Peaches]

I am guessing this could be related to all the harassment that has taken place regarding the age difference between Misty and Ron. Given that some of the unknown bloggers have basically called for his head over this and the fact that LE and Misty's parents were doing nothing about it, they must be backed into a corner by now. Just opining tho.

The idea that they are plotting a way to get away with murder is not something I find myself leaning toward, just doesn't fit with what I've seen thusfar. I still contend that Ron isn't involved in the disappearance of Haleigh. :sad:

JMO


I'm with you...............I still do not believe that Ron was involved with HaLeigh's disappearance..............no way!

Also........not wedding date has been set.

I think everyone calling for his head about the age of Misty might have something to do with this too.............MOO

[Jpanda]

OK. Before I go and do a complete turn around in my thinking I have another thought because I dont want to think the worse.

Could Haleigh be hid out somewhere and this is a sham to bring in money?

Hi playnice,

I have actually thought of that scenario too, and that would be so amazing if that is the case...something just isn't right here.

jmo

[kitty1182]

OK. Before I go and do a complete turn around in my thinking I have another thought because I dont want to think the worse.

Could Haleigh be hid out somewhere and this is a sham to bring in money?

That was my first thought from the beginning......:wink:
The A's got a lot of pubilicty and $$$$$, could this be a copycat?

[playnice]

I'm with you...............I still do not believe that Ron was involved with HaLeigh's disappearance..............no way!

Also........not wedding date has been set.

I think everyone calling for his head about the age of Misty might have something to do with this too.............MOO

I never thought he was and I hope to God he isnt but this does sound an alarm.

[cat3]

There is no way Id marry someone that was the last known person to be seen with my kid no matter how much I loved them.
There would always be that question in the back of my mind if they were being completely truthful.

I think it would hurt a relationship.



Something is not feeling right at all.

I agree.I never thought Ron had anything to do with Haleigh missing,but this is really poor judgement on his part.

[Jpanda]

That was my first thought from the beginning......:wink:
The A's got a lot of pubilicty and $$$$$, could this be a copycat?

That is exactly what I thought too....the timing of this whole thing was so bizarre too. Remember that the amber alert came out during Caylee's memorial? My first thought was that it was a sham form the beginning...

But I don't know, maybe we're really just reaching onto hope that she's ok somewhere.

jmo

[Peaches]

OK there getting married is Misty pregant in this picture that was taken at Christmas time and posted on her brothers myspace it's pic #8 . She looks it to me.

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1


Why would that matter?

Ron had 2 children with Crystal and they were never married.

Crystal has another child and is not married................and Ron may have another and is not married to the mother.

Why would any of these people think they need marry?

Who knows??????????????????

But I still do not think that Ron did anything to his child. And, he must not think that Misty did if he is going to marry her. MOO

[Larkin]

Just had a scary thought..what if she's pregnant? :thumbdown:

[DenVIP]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

you have to be kidding me....and the focus is still on Haleigh...guess what this cast of characters is pathetic at best, forget not being judgmental of ron or misty or crystal.....these people are guilty of having not an ounce of brains between them, ban me for saying it, this is like fantasy island. Enough!!! Whats with this world

[5boxersmom]

Just a few things that bother me about this case.

1. Ron doesn't seem to use Haleigh's name when talking about her.

2. Misty and the blanket story. The van being mentioned too.

3. Crystal and her mom saying things about Ron on tv.

4. Hearing nothing from Misty's brothers or their wives. Why?

5. The Tattoo bothers me also.

6. Misty saying the door was wide open. The tour of the house shows it closes if something is not holding it open.

7. Now the wedding proposal.

I hope it is a money scam and Haleigh is safe somewhere. I really do.

imo

[Jpanda]

I agree.I never thought Ron had anything to do with Haleigh missing,but this is really poor judgement on his part.


It really IS poor judgment. I am so shocked by this new development, I really am. If they really are only getting married because of fear of getting in trouble for the age thing, then they could have done it in private....but the fact that she has a ring and everything, and was showing it off to reporters and telling them Haleigh would have wanted that....just not in good taste, IMO.

[Motomom]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

I have no words.. imagine that :sneaky: I have to think on this for a bit.. I don't believe Ron had anything to do with his child gone missing.. misti I'm not sure about.. why ask her to marry him at a time like this?? Could she be pregnant? damage contol? I don't quite understand this.. what the agenda could be. I'm not suggesting that they wait until Haleigh is found, because she may never be found, dead or alive, we may never know what happened.. but it's only been a month and I would think marriage would be the last thing on my mind but IDK.

[playnice]

There is a bright side to this announcement. They will be back in the media for sure.

[IlliniFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spousal_privilege


snipped

[edit] The marital confidences privilege
The marital confidences privilege is a form of privileged communication protecting the contents of confidential communications between husband and wife. This privilege applies in civil and criminal cases. When applied, a court may not compel one spouse to testify against the other concerning confidential communications made during marriage.

The privilege generally applies only where both of the following fact situations are present: (1) a third party was not present during the communication (the presence of a third party would destroy the confidential nature of the communication), and (2) both parties intended that the communication be confidential.

The privilege is usually restricted to confidential communications made during marriage and does not include communications made before the marriage or after divorce. The privilege does, however, generally survive the divorce; that is, a person can be prevented from testifying about confidential communications with an ex-spouse made during the marriage.

Either spouse can invoke this privilege, either refusing to testify against their spouse or preventing their spouse from testifying. Finally, courts may require that the communication relate specifically to the marriage.

I don't think it's retroactive?

[breeze53]

Why would that matter?

Ron had 2 children with Crystal and they were never married.

Crystal has another child and is not married................and Ron may have another and is not married to the mother.

Why would any of these people think they need marry?

Who knows??????????????????

But I still do not think that Ron did anything to his child. And, he must not think that Misty did if he is going to marry her. MOO

Perhaps because shes underage i have no clue here at all Peaches just seems odd he would marry this one.

[Peaches]

Ya know what? At this stage of the game that would be a very nice thing to find out, wouldn't it?

Well, look on the bright side, Misty is marrying someone old enough to buy her ciggies!


You know this age difference is not so important to me. I know many with this or greater age difference and had wonderful marriages that lasted a lifetime.

[Motomom]

Is the husband/wife privilege retroactive?

:ohmy: interesting question.

[cat3]

There is a bright side to this announcement. They will be back in the media for sure.

No doubt.It sure woke me up and got my attention.

[SwineFeld]

Getting married? They have rings? He wants to buy a house (we heard before)? Free tats?

Hmmmmm.....this is going WAAAAAAY out on a limb but, do you think these two (Ron and Misty) could have planned her "disappearance" just for some quick cash from sympathetic people? Like maybe someone they know is keeping her safe and hidden for a while only to return safely a while later after they've gotten some things they wanted (house, married, etc)?

I never thought like that before at all. But now I wonder?

And yes, I do realize this all sounds crazy. But, I've heard and seen crazier. LOL JMO

[gogo]

Did the grandmother say today that Misty went up to go into the bathroom later went back into bedroom and saw tha Haleigh was missing? I was thinking about that, The mattress was right next to her bed, practically step over it when you get up. she did not notice child missing until she came back. I am just curious, probably means nothing. also, did Misty check the house for an intruder, to protect Jr. and herself. How did she know the intruder was not in the house, The door being open does not tell whether he is gone. could be just came in. I am often baffled about the reporting. no one in their right mind would not check or call for help. They would be hysterical, petrified, PLEASE HELP ME MY CHILD IS GONE, I AM ALONE WITH A TODDLER HE MAY STILL BE HERE. PLEASE SEND HELP. something smells gogo

[Regina.Lampert]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spousal_privilege


snipped

[edit] The marital confidences privilege
The marital confidences privilege is a form of privileged communication protecting the contents of confidential communications between husband and wife. This privilege applies in civil and criminal cases. When applied, a court may not compel one spouse to testify against the other concerning confidential communications made during marriage.

The privilege generally applies only where both of the following fact situations are present: (1) a third party was not present during the communication (the presence of a third party would destroy the confidential nature of the communication), and (2) both parties intended that the communication be confidential.

The privilege is usually restricted to confidential communications made during marriage and does not include communications made before the marriage or after divorce. The privilege does, however, generally survive the divorce; that is, a person can be prevented from testifying about confidential communications with an ex-spouse made during the marriage.

Either spouse can invoke this privilege, either refusing to testify against their spouse or preventing their spouse from testifying. Finally, courts may require that the communication relate specifically to the marriage.

I don't think it's retroactive?

Thank you Illi!!

[HI_CYCLE]

Just catching up. I saw it but on NBC, today show. Ron was sooo upset, tears just poaring out. So sad. Dont think they showed the whole walk thru though. Ill see if I can find a link. Ron said "I believe God will deliver daddys little girl Haleigh home either its home to me or home to him."
Ronald, please always remember the words you spoke. "I believe God will deliver daddys little girl Haleigh home either its home to me or home to him."
This is so true, my prayers are with you and all who love Haleigh. Take all the strength your friends and love one`s gladly give you and stay strong...

[IlliniFan]

Thank you Illi!!

No problem. I was curious about that as well...

[cat3]

It really IS poor judgment. I am so shocked by this new development, I really am. If they really are only getting married because of fear of getting in trouble for the age thing, then they could have done it in private....but the fact that she has a ring and everything, and was showing it off to reporters and telling them Haleigh would have wanted that....just not in good taste, IMO.


Yes.Crystal is her mother and nothing can change that.We probably(sadly) will never know what Haleigh really wanted.Stating the obvious here,but I can't see this marriage lasting.IMO

[aproudmom]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

Oh my here we go ok this to me is not the right time for that a bit to much I can forget the Tat but this:confused:

[Dogmatic]

Just a few things that bother me about this case.

1. Ron doesn't seem to use Haleigh's name when talking about her.

2. Misty and the blanket story. The van being mentioned too.

3. Crystal and her mom saying things about Ron on tv.

4. Hearing nothing from Misty's brothers or their wives. Why?

5. The Tattoo bothers me also.

6. Misty saying the door was wide open. The tour of the house shows it closes if something is not holding it open.

7. Now the wedding proposal.

I hope it is a money scam and Haleigh is safe somewhere. I really do.

imo


Tattoo bugs me, just because it's self indulgent during a very bad time
Door wide open doesn't bug me because clothes could have been dropped on the floor to prop it open since it is in the laundry room
Wedding proposal is once again self indulgent


I am most bothered by the lack of 911 call for 25 minutes with obvious signs of an intruder

[jammies]

That was my first thought from the beginning......:wink:
The A's got a lot of pubilicty and $$$$$, could this be a copycat?



I mentioned that in the very beginning of this case. Glad others have had the same thought run through their minds.

As many have said: Something just isn't "right".

[omsk99]

Just had a scary thought..what if she's pregnant? :thumbdown:

Why is that a scary thought? Because she is 17 or because you think she was involved in Haleigh's disappearance?

From what I can tell, there are no wedding bells for anyone yet, they are concentrating on finding Haleigh and those responsible for what happened to her. I do not see anything strange in Ron not wanting to live in the home from which Haleigh disappeared. This is, of course, JMO, but it sounds to me like a lot of people simply look for more reasons to bash this family. But like everyone else here, I just hope for some good news, any news really at this point, so we can go back in the right direction in this forum (less judgment and bashing, and more thoughts on what might/could have happened).

I also do not think Ron gets any money directly, as it is being donated to the CrimeStoppers, IIRC.

[Dogmatic]

Senario....Ron came home and found Misty passed out maybe from drugs He noticed Haleigh was missing, and he woke Misty up, started yelling at her (thats when the neighbor heard them). Then they propped open the door with a brick, threw laundry on the floor??? Then he had her call him like she was upset and since he was home already he had to say he was just pulling up. They cleaned up, you can hear noise in background on that 911 tape and he had her call 911. Now im not saying Ron had anything to do with this but I think Misty definetly does.


That passes the smell test a little better than Misty's accounting of it.

[emdragon]

OMG, now you are actually telling posters what they shouldn't respond to in the way of posting???? GMAB....:thumbdown:

JMO

Yeah wasn't that a good one? consider the source I did.

Not sure what I think of the "marriage" news, don't think we have enough info to come to concrete conclusions, but lots of ideas rattling around.

(sure got the media ramped up though didn't it)

One thing is sure It doesn't change my opinion that Ron has nothing to do with whatever happened to Haleigh.

Just some reasons that have popped into my head

1) Ron is suffering from severe depression and not making rational decisions.

2) LE wants Misti to believe that Ron doesn't question her innocence.

3) Ron needs something positive in his life to give him hope and keep him going.

4) He really does love Misti

5) Haleigh truly did want them to all be a family and he is honoring what she wanted. (Crystal did say from day one that Haleigh loved Misti)

6) He knows there is an end to the case coming and Misti isn't involved and if they are married there can be no statutory rape charges.

7) See above only swap rape charges to reason to remove Jr. from his custody.
8) He has simply lost his mind.

Regina- I'm almost positive that spousal privilege isn't retro active.

[AmndaRcknwth]

At Chili's with family all around, Ron proposed.

Ahhhh, how sweet.

[Dogmatic]

DDoes Ron love Misty that much that he would forgo his love for Haleigh to cover up for Misty? Is that what your saying?

I don't think Misty hurt Haleigh. I think Misty might not have been as responsible as what she is saying on that night and someone used that to their advantage in taking Haleigh.

I cannot buy the story that she got up and noticed doors propped open and lights on and didn't dial 911 immediately. That just doesn't ring true

[kitty1182]

I mentioned that in the very beginning of this case. Glad others have had the same thought run through their minds.

As many have said: Something just isn't "right".

Of course my hubby doesn't follow this things, but he knows I do......
I just went into the living room and asked him if his little girl was missing, would he be planning to marry the girl he lived with..
He said marrying anyone till he found out about his daughter would never happen......
How could you have a happy wedding day, when you don't know if your baby is alive or dead?
My hinky meter is rising to the top guys!!!!!!!!

[5boxersmom]

A few other things I have thinking about.

Where are the lawyers? Why hasn't any showed up? Or have they and they were turned down? Just seems like some would want to get involved in a fairly high profile case.

Was the family paid for the videos that were released? If so how much and who did the money go to?

imo

[kitty1182]

At Chili's with family all around, Ron proposed.

Ahhhh, how sweet.

Shaking my head here........:angry:

[~jomomma~]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

-- :ohmy: --

[kitty1182]

A few other things I have thinking about.

Where are the lawyers? Why hasn't any showed up? Or have they and they were turned down? Just seems like some would want to get involved in a fairly high profile case.

Was the family paid for the videos that were released? If so how much and who did the money go to?

imo

Lawyers ask too many questions:wink:

[Larkin]

Why is that a scary thought? Because she is 17 or because you think she was involved in Haleigh's disappearance?

Snipped..

She's just a child herself.. anyone can see that. JMHO

[kitty1182]

Mind telling me how *they are concentrating on finding Haleigh*? In tat parlors? Chil'is at an engagement party? Jewelry store shopping for rings?

People do not need to look to *bash* the family, they are managing to do that all by themselves.

There's a time and place to self indulge. At this time the priority is to look for his daughter.

moo
moo

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DenVIP]

the last time I check when you leave your children in someone care they become responsible for them......so lets see you leave , come home one is gone, cant find the child, so you repay the responsible person with say uhh marriage for the good job. And you wonder.....why do I get picked on

[kitty1182]

the last time I check when you leave your children in someone care they become responsible for them......so lets see you leave , come home one is gone, cant find the child, so you repay the responsible person with say uhh marriage for the good job. And you wonder.....why do I get picked on

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?:wink:

[5boxersmom]

Thats right and we keep trying to give them a break but its one thing after another!! SICK!!......So much for the Today Show perfomance!!

I thought people were suppose to be happy on their wedding day!!

Hey for some of you Prime news is getting ready to start on HLN!!

Wonder how Geraldo is gonna take this one!!!

Is there a link to the Today show? I can't find it.

tia

[madge]

OMG! Next we'll see them lawyer up. Mark.my.words.

[jammies]

Scary thought that Misty could now be taking care of Junior 24/7 for as long as the marriage lasts.

moo


Oh dear lord! Hadn't even thought that far ahead.....

[5boxersmom]

Lawyers ask too many questions:wink:

True that. :biggrin:

[kitty1182]

Seriously my head is spinning over this! This is just unbelievable! I am beyond outraged!

I am too......:angry:

[breeze53]

I hope & pray LE does prosecute in light of this! Anyone who blatantly is thinking of himself and his girlfriend while his daughter is missing and more than likely dead deserves to rot in prison as far as I am concerned. Regardless if he is innocent in Haleigh's disappearance. I am beyond livid!


I am not a huge Crystal fan but if this were my child and he married the person who lost her imo My butt would be hitting the courthouse as quick as he signed the ink on the marriage papers and fighting for custody of little jr.

[kitty1182]

I pray this child is found alive and well SOON.
If it is proven this was a set up for $$$$, I hope all involved are put under the jail! I mean under the jail!!!

[DenVIP]

well once we get this marriage out of the way , we can get back to searching for OUR missing child.......just after we get back from our honeymoon.......
tell me where is the desperation the we on this BB feel everyday for a child we don't know.....

[Ice Cycle]

Yeah I can blame her- there is a time and a place to vent your anger but when you are begging people to help you find your daughter isn't it.
Crystal is very passive aggressive- "Haleigh is his heart-He beat her"

The only thing Ron has done is get a tattoo and the attacks on him started long before that.

Hello,
First of all it is obvious that have both had questionable past and what actually occurred will probably never be known. I don't think it was a questions of him beating her. As probably she was the main caretaker in the earlier years and probably would of gotten custody if she would of been more financially able and he probably didn't make enough for her to get very much support. Whether is Mother working for the Sherriff's office had anything to do with it will also probably never be known for sure.
I think a lot of her remarks is just plain hidden anger coming out although inappropriate timing on her part.
However I am sure that being that LE as been so closed lip on this case
and them all being there close together has gave them too much time on their hands and probably feeling helpless yet not wanting to go on with their lives. Also I am sure reporters being there putting a microphone in their face hasn't helped matters especially since there had not been much to report on this case. Say what you like about CA and regardless of her reasons she had a determined enough personality that keep the focus on Caylee.
This is just my own opinion.

[kitty1182]

You know...I have tried really hard to give the family the benefit of the doubt, but honestly...

WHAT THE HE77 WAS RON THINKING???!!!

Talk about absolute poor timing. Coupled with the fact that until LE found my child and the person responsible, I would not rule out the person last with her much less propose...


JMO


Hey, I adore George Cloony, but if I lived with him and I was at work and my beautiful child went missing, he would be lucky if he got the time of day from me, much less a marriage!!!!!

[kitty1182]

I am not a huge Crystal fan but if this were my child and he married the person who lost her imo My butt would be hitting the courthouse as quick as he signed the ink on the marriage papers and fighting for custody of little jr.

You got that right!!!!!!!

[AmndaRcknwth]

Let's look at the bright side of this news. Ron has a good excuse to go back to the tat parlor for another Tat. Where should he put Misty's tat. Ideas anyone?


"Daddy's Big Girl, Always" on the right side of his chest.

Or maybe that was what he was asking the tatt guy about changing Teresa to Misty, maybe a nice skull...

[aproudmom]

A few other things I have thinking about.

Where are the lawyers? Why hasn't any showed up? Or have they and they were turned down? Just seems like some would want to get involved in a fairly high profile case.

Was the family paid for the videos that were released? If so how much and who did the money go to?

imo

I said that from day 1 and was ask why because if they had nothing to do with it why would they need lawyers well for one in a high profile case Lawyers do it for free and to tell you the truth if they had lawyers they may know more about what LE is doing and more would be Public record do to the Sunshine Law.

This marriage thing is not the right time IMO and a PR person and Lawyer could have told them that or made it clear it would not look right at this time to make it public about rings and getting the Lic here it last 60 days I think. I dont think it is her age she is 17 I thought it was 16 and under anyone know Florida law?

I do not think it was done for money IMO
I do not thing RC did anything to her IMO
I do not think misti's story adds up but still dont know that I think she did anything on purpose to harm Haleigh IMO

[madge]

Misty continues to talk about Haleigh in the past tense.

[kitty1182]

I am tempted to call her up and offer to pay the filing fee!

I'll chip in!

[Larkin]

I am not a huge Crystal fan but if this were my child and he married the person who lost her imo My butt would be hitting the courthouse as quick as he signed the ink on the marriage papers and fighting for custody of little jr.


Thank you!! Clap...clap..clap!!! :thumbup:

[playnice]

I am still just stunned by this news. It could be because he is afraid he will be arrested for shacking with Misti but the part that really really bothers me is this happened today and wasnt it Friday that the 2 state attorneys showed up?

If it turns out Ron had any involvement with Haleighs disappearance I will have been taken in for the 2nd time by guys in the past week.
(Bachelor Jason shocked me. I thought he was a decent guy).
Ive never until this moment doubted Ron. I just dont know what to think now.

[breeze53]

Hey, I adore George Cloony, but if I lived with him and I was at work and my beautiful child went missing, he would be lucky if he got the time of day from me, much less a marriage!!!!!

Some how some way this has all got to be tied into what happened to little Haleigh. Neither one of these two are innocent imo. There sticking to whatever story they have made up. This is unreal.

[odyssey]

probably not involved much except for a profile and ready to help with any evidence but not even sure about that after the jaw dropping "bad dna" samples that had to be redone. They don't normally do the primary investigating, they are to assist the local LE..and im betting dollars to donuts that this new sheriff doesn't want much of their help. First big case on his watch, wants to prove they can handle it themselves.

Look at what they have done/not done that we know of.

1. stopped searching very early. even if they thought/knew she was dead it was no reason

2. didn't search dumpsters just meters from the home let alone further for a couple of weeks. (oh and remember the tv footage when they did get around to it..never seen such an unprofessional thing. What if they lifted a bag and haleigh's leg came out?? great way to let the family know)

3. had to redo their DNA samples, unheard of! shades Dennis Fung from Oj. I think they lost them! how else do you screw up more than one dna sample

4. Takes Ron to the station that night bu5t not misty..wtf? knee jerk assumption that male killed girl?

and that is just stuff we know of
imo

I am sure I am way behind but wanted to quickly address your fourth point. Do we have evidence/confirmation that only Ronald was taken to the police station? I realize that the police report that we have read states that that officer took Ronald. I would think that Misty rode with another deputy in another car.

Also (and will put jmo because I don't have a link for this) I believe Mrs. Neves took Jr., though I cannot swear if she took him straight to the police station or to her home and had people question him there. I am leaning to the former however.

I cannot imagine them leaving the last known at home unless other LE was questioning her in the home. I don't believe that they took Ron and left Misty to her own devices.

jmoo

[AmndaRcknwth]

And who bought those rings??.......Are we going to be told those were donated too??


Of course they were. So was the engagement party. Huge eyeroll.

[kitty1182]

Some how some way this has all got to be tied into what happened to little Haleigh. Neither one of these two are innocent imo. There sticking to whatever story they have made up. This is unreal.

I always had my doubts about Misty, now I have my doubts about Ron...

[breeze53]

And who bought those rings??.......Are we going to be told those were donated too??

Maybe he was lucky when he opened up his cracker jacks and there was a ring inside:shrug:

[kitty1182]

And who bought those rings??.......Are we going to be told those were donated too??

I did send out pizza when the search for CA was going on, I'm glad I didn't send any money to this.....I'm not sure where it could be going...

Tats, rings. Chili's, maybe a honeymoon?
I ain't buying it anymore!

[playnice]

My hands would be wore off from backhanding him!!
And he had better be searching 24/7!!

I dont care how well you thought you knew someone or loved them I think it would be hard for the relationship to survive. there would aways be that "what if" creeping in your mind.
Im blown away by this. :confused:

[kitty1182]

My hands would be wore off from backhanding him!!
And he had better be searching 24/7!!

There is a time and place for everything, but IMO. when your daughter is missing and you don't know if she's dead or alive, why the he!! are you thinking about marriage.....I am appauled at this!!!!!!

[kitty1182]

I dont care how well you thought you knew someone or loved them I think it would be hard for the relationship to survive. there would aways be that "what if" creeping in your mind.
Im blown away by this. :confused:

I am too....Blown slap away!!!!!

[playnice]

Of COURSE they are. They will say "that's what Haleigh always wanted"
:cursing:

5 year olds usually want mommy & daddy together. All little kids do.

[Jpanda]

I can't stop thinking about this. This is crazy!!

I really hope NG goes off about this tonight. This is just NOT right, IMO.

[kitty1182]

I can't stop thinking about this. This is crazy!!

I really hope NG goes off about this tonight. This is just NOT right, IMO.

NG will be hard to handle tonight!!!!!!

[playnice]

1 877 tell hlnews Someone want to call and tell them the lastest?

[Mimi428]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!

"Showed off her ring". Alrighty then. Gosh, I wonder if how that was paid for is another thing the rest of the world isn't supposed to guess about?

Anyone know what the laws are in FL for spouses testifying against one another? Also - if you are a spouse now, but you weren't when the "incident" happened, would any spousal privilege back date to the "incident"?

JMO

[jammies]

Oh man!
THATS SICK!!



Looks like Misty got exactly what she wanted. hmmm

[emdragon]

"Showed off her ring". Alrighty then. Gosh, I wonder if how that was paid for is another thing the rest of the world isn't supposed to guess about?

Anyone know what the laws are in FL for spouses testifying against one another? Also - if you are a spouse now, but you weren't when the "incident" happened, would any spousal privilege back date to the "incident"?

JMO

They would not have spousal privilege.

[Dogmatic]

She's beaming. Far cry from her early interviews when she couldn't lift her eyes.



"Do you Misty, take the man that called you all of those degrading names on the 911 call to be your beloved husband?"


I'm sorry Haleigh. This should be all about you sweetheart. Not about wedding bells, not about tattoos...........praying for your safe return

[Texas48]

You know what? Finding that video this morning and seeing that 2:25 am report I had a thought. Its been said, espcially by experts in the Casey case, that there always is some truth in lies. Misty has never wavered that she was *cleaning* at 10pm. What if she had company that night, and she did have to clean later prior to Ron coming home. Getting rid of the remnants, ciggie butts, bottles, drug paraphanalia, etc. She also said she used that rear door for taking out trash. Suppose she did use that door that night, and did take out the party trash and left the door open.

mooYou may well be on the right track. Something ELSE has bothered me and that is the wall where the water heater is at. Did anyone hear WHY it was torn out. When asked the question as to why...TN did NOT have an answer. The other thing is WHY LE took Ron to HQ that am and left Misty behind. Anyone?

[kitty1182]

She's beaming. Far cry from her early interviews when she couldn't lift her eyes.

Sure is!!!!!!!!

[MiamiNice1]

Fasten Your Seat Belts!!! Your Going To Be In For A Bumpy Ride!!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

Ron has asked Misty to marry him!
I'm stunned. Marriage? At this time? :ohmy: Ron just does whatever HE feels like doing.

Where is all this money coming from? Ron isn't working right now, is he? Where did he get the money for those rings (the diamond) and the tattoos?! Who paid for the family Chilis Engagement Dinner?

imo

[Texas48]

Hopefully LE did take that trash.Well...we did also think LE would have searched the dumpsters before they did. TN even said she had requested for them to be searched over and over w/no results at that given time.

[Larkin]

It's all about the white dress doncha know...... Haleigh wanted it. :confused:

[emdragon]

You may well be on the right track. Something ELSE has bothered me and that is the wall where the water heater is at. Did anyone hear WHY it was torn out. When asked the question as to why...TN did NOT have an answer. The other thing is WHY LE took Ron to HQ that am and left Misty behind. Anyone?

For the same reason the front panel on the garden tub was - make sure Haleigh wasn't there.

[MrLucky917B]

Let's look at the bright side of this news. Ron has a good excuse to go back to the tat parlor for another Tat. Where should he put Misty's tat. Ideas anyone?

Don't ask me, I don't want to get banned...

JMO

[kitty1182]

I'm stunned. Marriage? At this time? :ohmy: Ron just does whatever HE feels like doing.

Where is all this money coming from? Ron isn't working right now, is he? Where did he get the money for those rings (the diamond) and the tattoos?! Who paid for the family Chilis Engagement Dinner?

imo

Heck, we can't even afford to go out to eat these days.......:glare:

[playnice]

The beaming bride to be

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847


Maybe we should throw her a virtual shower here.

I dont care much for Crystal and I dont like her mom but if Crystal went over and whipped Misti's a** Id have to applaud her.

[kitty1182]

Don't ask me, I don't want to get banned...

JMO

lol......................

[Texas48]

ITA But I am sure they have been told after this amount of time it does not look well in getting her home safe he even said he wanted her home to him or to God either way he just wanted her back. JMOIt was when Ron made that remark that I knew in my heart that someone had most likely told him what the odds of having Haleigh found/returned alive were. You could almost see it on his face coming straight from his broken heart. jmo:sad:

[omsk99]

Mind telling me how *they are concentrating on finding Haleigh*? In tat parlors? Chil'is at an engagement party? Jewelry store shopping for rings?

People do not need to look to *bash* the family, they are managing to do that all by themselves.

There's a time and place to self indulge. At this time the priority is to look for his daughter.

moo
moo

What else can they do at this point? They've been on TV from day one, and they still are (think of the today's Today show!), Haleigh is still in the news, her pictures and home videos are out there. They are NOT LE, there is only so much they can do. The tattoo, the marriage license - all of this could have been taken out of context, neither you nor I were there, we don't know how these things happened and developed, or why. Tattoo - SOMEONE ELSE gave that tattoo to him, why is it so terrible he got it? He didn't get a mermaid tattooed on his bicep, FGS!

I am sorry, but if this is your idea of "self-indulgence"... :rolleyes:

[kitty1182]

I dont care much for Crystal and I dont like her mom but if Crystal went over and whipped Misti's a** Id have to applaud her.

Me too....I'm afraid that is what I would do!