Nicholas Francisco, 28, Seattle, 2/13/08 - 4/12

[Leanne Weich]

This has been referenced on another website? I don't think we can talk about some of the websites but can you kinda point us in a direction?

As far as I know, you can't quote from other websites, but you can post a link. It is done all the time.

[MystryPhobia]

As far as I know, you can't quote from other websites, but you can post a link. It is done all the time.

Yeah.. it usually is. For a while there were certain websites that we couldn't mention or link to.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not.

Is it a blog or a website? I've looked at three sleuthing websites and there is no mention.

[RainyNiteNTx]

IIRC, it has been stated on here before that if Nicholas is found, that LE should make a statement saying he is alive and safe, but they do not have to reveal anything more than that, such as where he is.

[cteall]

nope. don't know what was said. though i do believe that there is validity to what was claimed. As for changing his name well I think with him anything is possible. He went by Steven or Steve in his online profiles. No worries, I have already given this info to the authorities.

ST, I am so glad you took the time to report this information. I know they will make short work of it. They just needed a direction to look.....won't he be shocked when they find him? I am really thinking they may just make a statement fairly soon. There are so many people that are still convinced he ran into foul play and just won't believe that this "upstanding" citizen could do something this low. Christine needs closure and I think we are getting closer to finding out the truth. Nicholas must know the world is looking for him, he can't hide out for life. At the very least he needs to financially support the children that he helped bring into this world.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Cteall - I wouldn't classify Nicholas as an upstanding citizen, however I also don't believe that someone has to be perfect in this world in order to be valued.

To my knowledge, LE has not amended their statement that Nicholas disappeared under suspicious circumstances and foul play could not be ruled out. If they have, I would love a link.

As I have stated many times, if Nicholas is alive, he needs to be found so he can support his children; if he is dead, he needs to be found so he can be put to rest properly.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Cteall - you are right. This case captured a lot of our hearts. Here was a beautiful ordinary family, the dad working an ordinary day, stopping to buy sugar on his way home from work to bake cookies with his little girl. How much more American pie can you get?

Then in the blink of an eye, we go from the dedicated, devoted husband and father to a sinister perverted abusive husband and father. We go from American pie to everyone's worst nightmare.

Some people are still stuck on the American Pie while some were all too anxious to jump onto the perverted abusive husband bandwagon.

I'm somewhere in the middle trying to remember that Nicholas is still considered a missing person.

[Shelby1]

Until I know that Nicholas is safe somewhere, I will continue to search for him. It's Nicholas that is missing.

[cteall]

Cteall - you are right. This case captured a lot of our hearts. Here was a beautiful ordinary family, the dad working an ordinary day, stopping to buy sugar on his way home from work to bake cookies with his little girl. How much more American pie can you get?

Then in the blink of an eye, we go from the dedicated, devoted husband and father to a sinister perverted abusive husband and father. We go from American pie to everyone's worst nightmare.

Some people are still stuck on the American Pie while some were all too anxious to jump onto the perverted abusive husband bandwagon.

I'm somewhere in the middle trying to remember that Nicholas is still considered a missing person.

Exactly Rainy and this is where the conflict lies, this is where everyone became divided.

I think (MOO) that there were problems within the relationship. I also think Christine may have had a difficult childhood and wanted nothing more than to have a wonderful family unit. When the problems first started she tried to pretend (TO HERSELF) that they were not there. I think there is even a possibility that Christine may have suggested that he come home and bake cookies with his daughter, still trying to keep her family as "American Pie" as possible. She loves those kids so much and wanted to give them the upbringing that she didn't have (MOO). I think all of this was done with the best of intentions, never wanting to admit to herself that there was major relationship issues.

Then her worst nightmare came true and he didn't come home. Now here she was with two small children and another one on the way. She panicked, how could she possibly take care of these children? It was going to be difficult at best to find a job, but she would not be able to find a job immediately that was going to replace Nick's paycheck. She had no way of knowing in Publicis was going to keep paying Nicholas.

But then finally, when the information about the secret life was discovered she was forced to admit this to herself. I can't imagine what she must have gone through, the extreme betrayal.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Until I know that Nicholas is safe somewhere, I will continue to search for him. It's Nicholas that is missing.

Well, that is two of us that get it.

[cteall]

Silver Dove, that is exactly what I was thinking, really until we get a bit closer this seems the most logical.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think this is because he in most of his online profiles he was looking for men and women. Which some took to mean he was confused about his own sexuality.
JMO

ETA the other posts were split off and put here http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=334688 in the locked Nicholas forum.

Oh okay - thanks

[SilverDove]

Interesting point. Setting up an AFF page pointing in one direction and leaving with a female would be a deceptive and clever move, IMO.

As far back as Jan 2006 he was listing himself as bi so I don't think he set up AFF to as a red herring. If he left with someone there is no way of knowing if it was a man, a woman or even a couple. I do tend to think he left with someone because it would have been much easier then doing it alone.
JMO

[Musterion]

I am referencing these two Posts, 671 & 679 on the closed thread from:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=334688&page=17

SeekingTruth,

Could you clarify something?

You said that someone on another website knows that Nicholas is alive and has spoken to him. And that he is living in San Diego.

You then say that you have given this information to LE.

Are you saying that LE did not unearth this information? That it came from you to LE via you finding some people, at random, on a website that claim to know the missing Nicholas Francisco from Seattle?

I find this incredible detective work on your part if that is what you are saying.

Do you mind clarifying? Maybe I have misread.

M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I asked if ST was referring to a blog or a website. I've looked at several sleuthing sites and I've checked out the Seattle Times, and even Publicis Media. There is no mention of even a rumor that Nicholas is alive in San Diego.

I would appreciate a link to this information.

[cteall]

I was able to "find" a Nicholas Francisco in San Diego. Does anyone happen to know if Nicholas is related to a Theresa or a John Francisco?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I was able to "find" a Nicholas Francisco in San Diego. Does anyone happen to know if Nicholas is related to a Theresa or a John Francisco?

I found what you are referencing - it looks like two couples, and states the age of NF as 34 years of age.

[RainyNiteNTx]

So what is up? Rumors that Nicholas is alive and the talk stops? Strange.

[Musterion]

So what is up? Rumors that Nicholas is alive and the talk stops? Strange.

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

[Cury-us Coyote]

IF the AFF updates were reasonably current when discovered, IMO an AFF subpoena would return the IP address used. Perhaps LE knows the payee name of the IP address. Doesn’t normal LE procedure also include subpoenas to acquire all phone records of people in the immediate circle of family and friends for a missing person? IMO, KCSO has NF information yet NF’s case remains open and NF’s missing status on LE maintained sites has not changed.
jmo

[SilverDove]

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

Well interesting l found the post but I haven't been looking for anything for a while now. Just went though some of the old sites.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

Hey Musterion - yes you are right. We've had several people throughout the year posing as this or that,then disappear. Who knows why people do things like that or what their true agenda is?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Well interesting l found the post but I haven't been looking for anything for a while now. Just went though some of the old sites.


If you are referring to an internet social site where people play games with each other, I don't hold much stock in that. I would much prefer an announcement from a reputable LE agency or missing organization.

[Shelby1]

I asked if ST was referring to a blog or a website. I've looked at several sleuthing sites and I've checked out the Seattle Times, and even Publicis Media. There is no mention of even a rumor that Nicholas is alive in San Diego.

I would appreciate a link to this information.

I, too, would like a link to the place (forum? website?) that talks about Nicholas being alive in San Diego.

[Shelby1]

Did you know he isnt even listed as missing still on the wa state missing persons site, nor is he in Namus. Really that's terrible. Sometimes I still stumble upon that site that says he leaves toast in the toaster.....
Such a slam. There were other slights early on in this case that I will not forget. If he is alive I really think that he will be sought out in a vindictive manner for child support. Instead of support and a resolution

I think the San Diego Francisco was there when he went missing, I remember looking at that profile. Also one of an older John in CA.

Last email I received from LE stated clearly that they had no information that he was dead, or alive. His wife switched those words, alive or dead which is usually not how it's put into sentence, ever. So many odd things in this case but if genders or profiles were reversed there would be an arrest already. So far, DrewP and Stebics case tie for me with this cases that must be solved. But for the right reasons.

Remember, that Nicholas is the Victim in this case. How many of you really believe that all his art work, his wood work in his garage, meant nada to this man? So much so that he left it all behind even his shoes?

Not once did we hear of missing clothes of Nicks, missing shoes, missing anything from his home. Is Nick being sought as a dead beat father, or he is a missing person? It would be nice if LE could buckle down on this case but I've seen their case load and we've all discussed that in this case. How much of an impact we dont know. One thing that I hold true to in cases is this: Most of what family members, spouses or any potential suspect says, is just that, suspect.

Kat

I've tried two times to get him added to the NAMUS site and both times I get to the end and the site doesn't accept it. Very frustrating.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I've tried two times to get him added to the NAMUS site and both times I get to the end and the site doesn't accept it. Very frustrating.

Do you know why? Is it the website having problems or does Nicholas not qualify as a missing person (ie has to meet certain criteria), or can only family members register someone? I wonder why Christine did not try to get Nick added - or maybe she did and had problems with it? I commend you for trying Shelby.

[cteall]

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=8

[Cheri_G]

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=8

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

[cteall]

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

That was more than I could find Cheri. Now if that is true, would be nice to find that thread.

[Shelby1]

Do you know why? Is it the website having problems or does Nicholas not qualify as a missing person (ie has to meet certain criteria), or can only family members register someone? I wonder why Christine did not try to get Nick added - or maybe she did and had problems with it? I commend you for trying Shelby.

Thanks, Rainy!

He qualifies and anyone can add a missing person if they qualify. I figured I did something wrong the first time I tried, so the second time I was very meticulous and it still didn't work, so I don't know *sigh*.

[Cheri_G]

That was more than I could find Cheri. Now if that is true, would be nice to find that thread.

I don't know how much we can get into this here, but it appears there was a bit of confusion with a poster thinking that the thread was started after Nick went missing but somebody else came back and said it was done months before.

There's more and I'll post it so you can read it, but probably not here since I don't think any in depth discussion of what is being said on other sites is allowed.

[cteall]

I don't know how much we can get into this here, but it appears there was a bit of confusion with a poster thinking that the thread was started after Nick went missing but somebody else came back and said it was done months before.

There's more and I'll post it so you can read it, but probably not here since I don't think any in depth discussion of what is being said on other sites is allowed.

Soooo, does it sound a bit like Nick may have been thinking about moving to San Diego before he went missing? This could potentially be significant.

[Cheri_G]

Soooo, does it sound a bit like Nick may have been thinking about moving to San Diego before he went missing? This could potentially be significant.

That's hard to say without reading the thread where he talks about it. Maybe he wanted to move his family there. Maybe it was some future dream of his to live there. Maybe he intended to get a divorce and move there. Maybe it had nothing to do with literally moving there.

[Musterion]

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=8

Hi cteall,

It came from ST huh?

It isn't Nicholas. At least it wasn't Nicholas at the beginning of the case when someone was logging on and deleting his posts there.

Remember this:

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=179320
Post 111
"
Nicholas' sites being logged in to ....as they are found, yes they are being logged in to by someone other than Nicholas. Not all have been logged in to, but some have had access figured out. That's so hopefully some information can be found to help in locating him. Christine is not deleting information from the sites. http://www.virb.com/francisco http://francisco.yayhooray.com/ These sites have been known about for quite a while now. Along with a few others."

And Post 127 on page 13 Pauli says that as far as who is logging into that site, all she could say was that it was NOT Nicholas.

Unless Harlett was dead wrong or was told wrong information by Christine or LE then I would say that it is still not Nicholas. And, whoever is posting on here that it is has some agenda for some reason. IMO.

Nicholas IS still listed on the Washington State Missing Person's site:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

This is just IMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=8

More like page 31 and 32 posts were made in the last month.

[MystryPhobia]

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

[Shelby1]

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

Good points, Mystery.

[Musterion]

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

Does LE have that information, Mystry. About the B3 site?

[SeekingTruth]

sorry i was out of town. The link is down right now but i'll post it as soon as it's up if that is allowed. What mystryphobia says is true.

[RainyNiteNTx]

sorry i was out of town. The link is down right now but i'll post it as soon as it's up if that is allowed. What mystryphobia says is true.

Which part is true? That Nicholas had dreamed of moving his family to San Diego or what?

There are so many ridiculous rumors out there about both Christine and Nicholas. I heard Christine is engaged to a pastor named Paul. Do you know if that is true ST??

[SeekingTruth]

You'll have to ask Christine about her personal life. That's none of my business. Where do you get your info? You really should check your source because their accuracy is way off.

I was saying about the stuff about San Diego. It's all over this website that is temp down right now. Mystry read it as well that is how she knows just as that is how i know.

[Musterion]

Which part is true? That Nicholas had dreamed of moving his family to San Diego or what?

There are so many ridiculous rumors out there about both Christine and Nicholas. I heard Christine is engaged to a pastor named Paul. Do you know if that is true ST??

Hm.

Her lawyer's name is Paul. He was also a pastor at Mars Hill.

Nothing would surprise me anymore.

JMO.

[Musterion]

You'll have to ask Christine about her personal life. That's none of my business. Where do you get your info? You really should check your source because their accuracy is way off.

I was saying about the stuff about San Diego. It's all over this website that is temp down right now. Mystry read it as well that is how she knows just as that is how i know.

Well, ST, you brought up her remarrying and having her children adopted.

Ok, Christine, we're asking you. Are you engaged to be married? Is his name Paul. Is this your attorney and former pastor?

Maybe she'll read here and answer.

I don't like games, ST. Not at all.

JMO.
M.

[SeekingTruth]

Musterion I'm not playing games.

I believe I said IF Christine ever remarries. I never said she is. That is none of my business. I'm here to talk about finding Nicholas and that is all.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Musterion I'm not playing games.

I believe I said IF Christine ever remarries. I never said she is. That is none of my business. I'm here to talk about finding Nicholas and that is all.

Really? Go back and read your posts - they are all about Christine.

[SeekingTruth]

Sure she is a part of the posts as she is a part of this mystery. But it's not about her personal life.

[Musterion]

Sure she is a part of the posts as she is a part of this mystery. But it's not about her personal life.

IMO, you have done nothing to find Nicholas in your posts, except maybe a teaser about him being in San Diego. No links that give any real information.

But, you have speculated and guessed and given opinions derogatorily about a missing man who cannot speak for himself.

Christine's 'personal' life has everything to do with this case. Everything. As the wife, ex-wife (which makes it even more compelling), of a missing man, she is the FIRST person that should be suspect. She 'should' be an open book to LE and the public if she has nothing to hide. Did she take a lie detector? And if not, why.

ST, you underestimate some of us. Information about cases come in many forms to some of us. Maybe anonymously. My sources say Christine IS engaged and ready to marry. I believe that. And, because of that, I believe that Christine is even more suspect of Nicholas' disappearance.

Everything that she has done, IMO, needs to be looked at again. She divorced a missing person. If she were a man, she would be in jail right now. Well, wait, maybe not. Drew Peterson seems to be evading prison, so I might be wrong.

She moved as quickly as she could. She is now engaged to a man that is a pastor. How long have they known each other? Is he someone who counseled her and Nicholas before they left the church? Or is he someone that 'helped' her 'get through' her rough time, and they just happened to 'meet' because of Nick's disappearance? Yeah, right.

So, let me reiterate: Christine does not have a personal life because she was married to a man that went missing under suspicious circumstances.

You spoke volumes about Nicholas not being a godly man. You said that you were a christian. Let me ask you this, does your pastor or husband or fiance condone you coming on a message board to speculate and disparage a missing man who has no voice?

Your timing in coming on this board, to me, is suspect. And, I know you know what I am saying.

IMO.
M.

[SeekingTruth]

IMO, you have done nothing to find Nicholas in your posts, except maybe a teaser about him being in San Diego. No links that give any real information.

But, you have speculated and guessed and given opinions derogatorily about a missing man who cannot speak for himself.

Christine's 'personal' life has everything to do with this case. Everything. As the wife, ex-wife (which makes it even more compelling), of a missing man, she is the FIRST person that should be suspect. She 'should' be an open book to LE and the public if she has nothing to hide. Did she take a lie detector? And if not, why.

ST, you underestimate some of us. Information about cases come in many forms to some of us. Maybe anonymously. My sources say Christine IS engaged and ready to marry. I believe that. And, because of that, I believe that Christine is even more suspect of Nicholas' disappearance.

Everything that she has done, IMO, needs to be looked at again. She divorced a missing person. If she were a man, she would be in jail right now. Well, wait, maybe not. Drew Peterson seems to be evading prison, so I might be wrong.

She moved as quickly as she could. She is now engaged to a man that is a pastor. How long have they known each other? Is he someone who counseled her and Nicholas before they left the church? Or is he someone that 'helped' her 'get through' her rough time, and they just happened to 'meet' because of Nick's disappearance? Yeah, right.

So, let me reiterate: Christine does not have a personal life because she was married to a man that went missing under suspicious circumstances.

You spoke volumes about Nicholas not being a godly man. You said that you were a christian. Let me ask you this, does your pastor or husband or fiance condone you coming on a message board to speculate and disparage a missing man who has no voice?

Your timing in coming on this board, to me, is suspect. And, I know you know what I am saying.

IMO.
M.

I have just as much a right to post my opinions on this matter as anyone else.

How do you know she is not an open book to the police? Why does she need to be an open book to the public?

So is your information about Christine being engaged fact or opinion? Care to offer a link to back up your statement. If you don't have proof then you are speculating and giving your opinion. I'm sure if Christine is engaged and wanted it to be a secret then I doubt you would know.

My timing to coming on this board is suspect how? I simply didn't have anything to say before. There are many lurkers here. I just decided to post. I am no more suspect than you or anyone else on here or lurking.

Just because my opinion on this matter doesn't take favor with you doesn't give you the right to harass me. I have a right to my thoughts just as you do. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. It's quite simple really. It's called debate.

As for what my husband thinks about my posting well I don't see how that is any of your business. That is between God, my husband and me.

[Musterion]

I have just as much a right to post my opinions on this matter as anyone else.

How do you know she is not an open book to the police? Why does she need to be an open book to the public?

So is your information about Christine being engaged fact or opinion? Care to offer a link to back up your statement. If you don't have proof then you are speculating and giving your opinion. I'm sure if Christine is engaged and wanted it to be a secret then I doubt you would know.

My timing to coming on this board is suspect how? I simply didn't have anything to say before. There are many lurkers here. I just decided to post. I am no more suspect than you or anyone else on here or lurking.

Just because my opinion on this matter doesn't take favor with you doesn't give you the right to harass me. I have a right to my thoughts just as you do. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. It's quite simple really. It's called debate.

As for what my husband thinks about my posting well I don't see how that is any of your business. That is between God, my husband and me.

Harass?

Ok. It's gone far enough.

Take care, my friend. Take care.

M.

[SilverDove]

IMO, you have done nothing to find Nicholas in your posts, except maybe a teaser about him being in San Diego. No links that give any real information.

But, you have speculated and guessed and given opinions derogatorily about a missing man who cannot speak for himself.

Christine's 'personal' life has everything to do with this case. Everything. As the wife, ex-wife (which makes it even more compelling), of a missing man, she is the FIRST person that should be suspect. She 'should' be an open book to LE and the public if she has nothing to hide. Did she take a lie detector? And if not, why.

ST, you underestimate some of us. Information about cases come in many forms to some of us. Maybe anonymously. My sources say Christine IS engaged and ready to marry. I believe that. And, because of that, I believe that Christine is even more suspect of Nicholas' disappearance.

Everything that she has done, IMO, needs to be looked at again. She divorced a missing person. If she were a man, she would be in jail right now. Well, wait, maybe not. Drew Peterson seems to be evading prison, so I might be wrong.

She moved as quickly as she could. She is now engaged to a man that is a pastor. How long have they known each other? Is he someone who counseled her and Nicholas before they left the church? Or is he someone that 'helped' her 'get through' her rough time, and they just happened to 'meet' because of Nick's disappearance? Yeah, right.

So, let me reiterate: Christine does not have a personal life because she was married to a man that went missing under suspicious circumstances.

You spoke volumes about Nicholas not being a godly man. You said that you were a christian. Let me ask you this, does your pastor or husband or fiance condone you coming on a message board to speculate and disparage a missing man who has no voice?

Your timing in coming on this board, to me, is suspect. And, I know you know what I am saying.

IMO.
M.

Wow just wow, people are all over ST about forum links but now we have just believe us stuff about Christine. Which way are we doing things? Made up "rumors" about Christine some how being important or forum posts that say the people are talking to Nicholas and he is living in San Diego?

I want the proof that Christine being engaged not just some gossip that no one is backing up. Christine is engaged or Nicholas is alive. I'm going with Nicholas is alive after some of the things I have seen.

BTW if all of this is true maybe Christine should call the police about stalkers.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Wow just wow, people are all over ST about forum links but now we have just believe us stuff about Christine. Which way are we doing things? Made up "rumors" about Christine some how being important or forum posts that say the people are talking to Nicholas and he is living in San Diego?

I want the proof that Christine being engaged not just some gossip that no one is backing up. Christine is engaged or Nicholas is alive. I'm going with Nicholas is alive after some of the things I have seen.

BTW if all of this is true maybe Christine should call the police about stalkers.

Ahhh yes, and maybe all the other people being discussed on IS should call the police about stalkers. But maybe you are right - perhaps LE should be contacted so they can confirm or deny some of the wretched rumors and speculation about Nicholas. Or does he matter?

[Cheri_G]

I'm not convinced at this time that Nick intended to disappear. I also think that if there was any kind of a "second" life that it has been grossly exaggerated. Somebody reminded me yesterday of all that Nick had going on in his "first" life.


full time job
free lance work for extra income
developing a website for their artwork
building extra space for CF's stuff
involvement with MHC's newsletter
attending MHC meetings and functions once or twice a week
spending time with CF, the kids, & friends
Add to that the things that go along with having a family and owning home like grocery shopping, yard work and other odd jobs that come up. It doesn't seem to me that Nick had a whole lot of time to spend living a "second" life unless he never slept.

A lot of time has been spent on what Nick may have been doing and with who during their marriage but not much if any has been spent on what Christine may have been doing and with who. In any other case if its discovered the spouse was cheating or quickly moving on to a new relationship it is viewed as suspicious, possibly relevant and people start asking questions trying to discover how it may be relevant to finding out what happened to the victim. I see no reason why this case should be any different.

[Shelby1]

Great thoughts Musterion, Rainy and Cheri.

After all of the positive, wonderful things that Christine, the family and friends had to say about Nicholas, I highly doubt that he did a 180 and left his children and wife high and dry to go live somewhere else and make another life.

It just doesn't add up.

[MystryPhobia]

Great thoughts Musterion, Rainy and Cheri.

After all of the positive, wonderful things that Christine, the family and friends had to say about Nicholas, I highly doubt that he did a 180 and left his children and wife high and dry to go live somewhere else and make another life.

It just doesn't add up.
Sometimes people do the exact opposite of what we expect them to do or think they will do.. it has happened before! Wife, devoted mother, pastors wife, best friend, school teacher.. etc etc.. ring a bell?

Only time will tell with this one. I have to wonder why the enemy is trying so hard... Are we closer than we think to the truth? JMHO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sometimes people do the exact opposite of what we expect them to do or think they will do.. it has happened before! Wife, devoted mother, pastors wife, best friend, school teacher.. etc etc.. ring a bell?

Only time will tell with this one. I have to wonder why the enemy is trying so hard... Are we closer than we think to the truth? JMHO

Ya lost me. Who is the enemy? Why is there an enemy in a missing person case? TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

I'm glad that some of you are also trying to make sure he is added. It would not hurt to throw his info out onto twitter now and again.

But there is a flip side to this story: If he is alive and truly does not want to be Identified for any reason I always feel for his privacy and how much that would suck you know? Knowing what it's like to be on that end of this story it really does suck.

I'm not sure what the motive is in finding Nicholas; and no one knows what LE is actively doing on his case. They could be in NV for all we know at the latest marathon. :*

People really do go missing on purpose and they leave their lives and anyone and everyone who ever knew them. It's awful, it's painful and it can suck. I know.

On the flip side of that if what you are leaving behind is painful awful and sucks in the end saving yourself is really all that matters. If Nicholas has indeed left his family and walked, one day he will be strong enough to let his children know why he did what he did. Maybe he felt he could not raise them and they were better off with his spouse. This happens every day in the world. It's usually just not advertised online as to what your life was supposedly, really like. Including what may be false sexual acusations.

There wasn't one person in person who came out to LE on tape and said " YES " I "DATED" him and knew him from Alt websites, etc.
Not one to the media. Not a one.

The only person who has said that, is his spouse. Much like Drew Peterson says that Stacy is with someone else. Actually LE has always said that his wife said blahblahblah so for me the way they've worded things means a lot.

Keep It Real and remember this is about Nicholas. He may need help; he may be dead.
He also may be alive but in his heart he is either soaring from freedom of living a false life at times and at other times he will be in immense pain over his decision and this will stay with him always. That is a pain that never goes away.

That's IF he is even alive.

Must (peter) I'm glad you are still looking at this case.
Be well
Kat

Why would NF decide their children are better off with CF?

Are you saying (for some reason) a clear-thinking NF concluded the only option for their children was living with one or the other of their parents? Why would NF decide living separately from CF and funding two households was necessary after 8-9 years of marriage? Did more unrest (outside the unknown second life) in the relationship exist before Valentine’s Day than previously reported? Did NF determine CF had better income generating opportunities than his career offered? Did NF determine CF had an established network of family and friends to offer support and assistance? Did NF determine an environment of a biological Mother and her younger children is the better scenario? Did NF decide his family and associates were poor role models for their children?

Even if the answers to these decisions were affirmative, would a advertising planner and organizer just leave without notice and pre-planning arrangements or the slightest indication to anyone (friend, confident, parent, co-worker) and without any belongings or traces of his life?

Always more questions than answers, in this case, IMO.

[Cheri_G]

Sometimes people do the exact opposite of what we expect them to do or think they will do.. it has happened before! Wife, devoted mother, pastors wife, best friend, school teacher.. etc etc.. ring a bell?

Only time will tell with this one. I have to wonder why the enemy is trying so hard... Are we closer than we think to the truth? JMHO

The enemy? The enemy of what? And what exactly are you implying by "Are we closer than we think to the truth"?

You've disagreed with other posters, myself included on this case and other cases and I don't recall even once having read a post of yours that I thought was rude or disrespectful of anyone. Until now...

We are not the Borg. We do not all have to think the same thing and disagreeing does not make anyone enemies.

Really MP, what were you thinking when you wrote that?

[Musterion]

FWIW, I think Mystery meant the enemy as in satan. I don't think she meant specific people. At least that is the way I took it!

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Wow just wow, people are all over ST about forum links but now we have just believe us stuff about Christine. Which way are we doing things? Made up "rumors" about Christine some how being important or forum posts that say the people are talking to Nicholas and he is living in San Diego?

I want the proof that Christine being engaged not just some gossip that no one is backing up. Christine is engaged or Nicholas is alive. I'm going with Nicholas is alive after some of the things I have seen.

BTW if all of this is true maybe Christine should call the police about stalkers.

Hi SD,

While I don't take it lightly, at all, that your post seems to be calling me a stalker and that LE should be contacted about me, I believe I could have posted a bit more kindly. Sorry SeekingTruth. Sorry Silver Dove and anyone else.

I am a firm believer in links. If they can be produced. The information given to me does not include a link, so that would not be possible. My credibility and reputation would have to be the deciding factor of whether I am saying truth or not.

Maybe Christine is engaged to be married. Maybe she's not. Maybe she is already married. I believe my sources that she is engaged. From what I know LE has been given that information.

IMO, it is 100% relevant to Nicholas' case. I'm curious as to why you wouldn't think Christine's life to be relevant in a missing person's case. Can you tell me?

Let's give a hypothetical: Suppose Christine wanted information put out that Nicholas is living in San Diego. That he is very alive. That would lead us to think that he is not dead after all.

If she is married or getting married soon, I can only really think of one reason she would be behind information coming out. Maybe some of you could give me more.

That reason would be to deflect the attention off of herself and her marital state or soon to be marital state and on to a search for Nicholas in San Diego.

However, because the information is out there publicly, it could be said that Nicholas heard that his jig was about up and he heads over the border, never seen again.

Christine may want that to be believed. Because if Nicholas is just alive and running, perhaps many would not question her soon re marriage.

If the 'rumours' aren't true that he is in San Diego and, in fact, Nicholas hasn't been seen or heard from, there comes a question in the public's mind:If Christine can marry someone this quickly after her husband disappeared, she may have had something to do with his demise. It may look like she had someone all along and she got Nicholas out of the way so she could marry this person.

This is just a hypothetical that I don't know to be true. And it is IMO.

I hope that I'm wrong about all of it. I hope it is Nicholas in San Diego and he comes back and takes care of his responsibility to his children. And I would hope that Christine would find love and security with someone else, if it is true that Nicholas is alive and left her and their children.

All JMO.
M.

[Cheri_G]

FWIW, I think Mystery meant the enemy as in satan. I don't think she meant specific people. At least that is the way I took it!

IMO.
M.

Ah, well that could be. And if that's the case then I certainly apologize for getting the wrong idea. It probably would have been a good idea to be more specific if that was what was meant. Less confusing that way for those of us who don't think in religious terms and ensures there's no misunderstanding as to who or what is being referenced.

[MystryPhobia]

The enemy? The enemy of what? And what exactly are you implying by "Are we closer than we think to the truth"?

You've disagreed with other posters, myself included on this case and other cases and I don't recall even once having read a post of yours that I thought was rude or disrespectful of anyone. Until now...

We are not the Borg. We do not all have to think the same thing and disagreeing does not make anyone enemies.

Really MP, what were you thinking when you wrote that?

LMBO Didn't even give it a second thought that everyone wouldn't know what I was referring too by "enemy". Really sorry for those that I offended!

[Cheri_G]

LMBO Didn't even give it a second thought that everyone wouldn't know what I was referring too by "enemy". Really sorry for those that I offended!

Well I'm glad to know that I misunderstood. It seemed so out of character for you that I thought maybe the full moon was causing you to go all Jekyl and Hyde on us!

:biggrin:

[MystryPhobia]

If you are a stalker M.. then we are all guilty!

I just wanted to share something else. Wasn't sure if I should bring it to the board or not because not really sure what it even means.

Recently there have been posts on the missing thread on YH. I had been over there reading and trying to find any other or find people that seemed to know Nicholas. See if I couldn't get an invite to the B3 site that is referenced there. (Remember, some of the members there supposedly know more about the disappearance and have even said that they have seen and spoken to Nicholas since his disappearance?) Well, their site was down.. it sent me directly in to a chat room. I clicked out of the chat the first time and then tried typing in the address again because it said it was just going to be down for sec and to go ahead and chat on Meebo'd til then. The second time I tried.. the chat popped up again.. first line in the chat room was from "Francisco". NOW.. I have no idea what was being discussed before it put me into this room but I cut and pasted as much of the chat that had to do with this "Francisco" person as I could. It was difficult because it wouldn't let you highlight more than one line at a time. Didn't think to do a screen shot of it at the time. So, just as M said about the marriage information.. my credibility and reputation will have to be the deciding factor on whether you believe this actually took place or not. I have no link. Just what I cut and pasted at the time...

Francisco : did you know im a sexual deviant?
Gorbachev: hubbadubba
nomaru: yes. we know.
Gorbachev: Francisco I know you
nomaru: thanks to a spot on the today show and your myspace page
Francisco : Hi Buddy! did we meet on myspace?
Gorbachev: do you perform sex acts on webcam for a fee?
spoo: yes
Gorbachev: wow me too
Gorbachev: when i rub my birthmark i get aroused
Francisco: lol only if you will hide me in your closet from the police for
months while my ex thinks im dead!

At this point I tried to PM the person and they disappeared!

They did come back in to the chat room later but I am not 100% sure that it was the same person. It happened after I gave this information to Christine and I believe she then went in to the chat room and started asking about him but I do not know that it was her.. just my guess.. Someone popped on saying they were him and messed with the people asking about him. BEFORE that tho.. it was asked if anyone knew "francisco" and people said yes and they were asked if he comes on there and someone said "yeah, all the time".

I don't know what it means. I don't know if it was him or someone playing him. I do know that B3 site probably holds alot of clues and I WISH we could get into there.

[Cury-us Coyote]

FWIW, I think Mystery meant the enemy as in satan. I don't think she meant specific people. At least that is the way I took it!

IMO.
M.

So Satan's behavior is altered by MB posters knowledge of truth. Good to know, Thanks.

[MystryPhobia]

So Satan's behavior is altered by MB posters knowledge of truth. Good to know, Thanks.

All I was trying to say CuC is that it seems that everytime that we start getting close to the truth.. the MB people start to turn on one another and that becomes our focus. Since I come from a religious background.. (my dad is a pastor) I am struck by this and wonder what is to be gained by this. I have no way of knowing if there isn't a spiritual fight going on right now for Nicholas or Christine. In that regard.. yes.. Satan's behaviour would be altered by what us being too close to it. But.. that is just one believers opinion and I respect that not everyone is going to understand or care what I am talking about.

[Cheri_G]

MP,

Did you keep the link to the chatroom you were sent to?

[SeekingTruth]

here is the link i was referring to earlier. the site is now working again.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=9

[Breazy]

Wow, interesting new information. I have posted a long time with MysteryPhobia and I feel what she posted was exactly what she read. I just wish we knew if it was truly Nicholoas that was posting. While I do hope he is alive, it will sicken me to find out that he is indeed hiding out and has abandoned his kids. I could care less about Christine, but if that's what he's done, what he has done to his children is unforgivable!!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Wow, interesting new information. I have posted a long time with MysteryPhobia and I feel what she posted was exactly what she read. I just wish we knew if it was truly Nicholoas that was posting. While I do hope he is alive, it will sicken me to find out that he is indeed hiding out and has abandoned his kids. I could care less about Christine, but if that's what he's done, what he has done to his children is unforgivable!!

I trust what MystryPhobia posted also. Like you, I wish we knew if it was Nicholas. I'm also not sure that Christine would jump in a chat with Nicholas. There are so many imposters out there who think this type of thing is funny. The more I think about it, the more I do not believe that it was Christine in that chat. Didn't she file a RO against Nicholas? If so, that would mean she probably would be afraid to confront him even online. JMO

[cteall]

If someone is not playing games then why would someone use a small "i" in some of their posts and a large "I" in others? Just curious.TIA.

JMO

Just a tad bit obvious Starling, huh? I was wondering if anyone besides me noticed that. hmmmmm, I wonder who it could be?

[Cheri_G]

Wow, interesting new information. I have posted a long time with MysteryPhobia and I feel what she posted was exactly what she read. I just wish we knew if it was truly Nicholoas that was posting. While I do hope he is alive, it will sicken me to find out that he is indeed hiding out and has abandoned his kids. I could care less about Christine, but if that's what he's done, what he has done to his children is unforgivable!!

I don't doubt that MP saw what she says she did. Having read all 35 pages of the YH discussion I think there's several possibilities here.

It may be somebody (possibly even Christine) posing as Nick in hopes somebody from one or more of the crime boards see it so they can watch what happens and have a giggle.

It may be somebody posing as Nick to wind Christine up. Several of the peeps posting there don't seem to like her and think she's nutz.

It may be Nick. Christine has some supporters among the YH group so if Nick is alive and well and chatting or posting with them its with the knowlege it will get back to her. If that's the case it would suggest to me he didn't just disappear and she knew all along he was leaving.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Just a tad bit obvious Starling, huh? I was wondering if anyone besides me noticed that. hmmmmm, I wonder who it could be?

Am I blind? Where is Starling's original post? I don't have her on ignore but cannot find the post you are responding to cteall.

[Cheri_G]

Am I blind? Where is Starling's original post? I don't have her on ignore but cannot find the post you are responding to cteall.

Its gone, but it was there. I saw it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Its gone, but it was there. I saw it.


Thanks Cheri - I scrolled back two pages LOL.

[starling]

Just a tad bit obvious Starling, huh? I was wondering if anyone besides me noticed that. hmmmmm, I wonder who it could be?

Hi cteall
I've been posting on here a long time and it is SO obvious.
JMO of course

[MystryPhobia]

MP,

Did you keep the link to the chatroom you were sent to?

There was no link. I went to yayhooray.com and it sent me automatically into the chat room. I do have some screen shots of the conversation with "francisco's wife" and the "guest" that was posting later on but didn't think to do that til it was too late.

I'm sure that YH would back up what I am saying about it sending us into the chat room. They may even have a log of it. When we logged on it said something to that effect anything said in the chat would be public and searchable on the internet. I have looked tho and couldn't find it and then they changed it and it didn't say that any longer.

[SilverDove]

Hi cteall
I've been posting on here a long time and it is SO obvious.
JMO of course

Huh? I'm missing something.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Huh? I'm missing something.

Yes you are if this is a serious statement.

[RainyNiteNTx]

There was no link. I went to yayhooray.com and it sent me automatically into the chat room. I do have some screen shots of the conversation with "francisco's wife" and the "guest" that was posting later on but didn't think to do that til it was too late.

I'm sure that YH would back up what I am saying about it sending us into the chat room. They may even have a log of it. When we logged on it said something to that effect anything said in the chat would be public and searchable on the internet. I have looked tho and couldn't find it and then they changed it and it didn't say that any longer.

Couldn't it just be people playing games MP? I mean I seriously cannot fathom why Christine would jump into a chat with a man who possibly abandoned her a year ago. If nothing more, I think the shock of it would be too much after not hearing from him and thinking he was dead.

[MystryPhobia]

Couldn't it just be people playing games MP? I mean I seriously cannot fathom why Christine would jump into a chat with a man who possibly abandoned her a year ago. If nothing more, I think the shock of it would be too much after not hearing from him and thinking he was dead.

Could be! I don't know. I just know that I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw the "Francisco" and what was being said.. it was definately in reference to him.

I wonder if LE could get that information from Yayhooray and get an IP address??

[RainyNiteNTx]

Could be! I don't know. I just know that I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw the "Francisco" and what was being said.. it was definately in reference to him.

I wonder if LE could get that information from Yayhooray and get an IP address??


Great idea - I think it is worth reporting. I know very little about IP addressses and how that works, but I wonder if they could track anything back to his laptop.

[MystryPhobia]

Great idea - I think it is worth reporting. I know very little about IP addressses and how that works, but I wonder if they could track anything back to his laptop.

Yeah.. I don't either. I don't know about the software that they use but most forum type ones like that do log IP addresses. Maybe not for the chat because it wasn't the message board. It never redirected me to another site tho. It stayed on yayhooray.com

That site also says that "francisco" logged in today at 6:02PM but that could, as has been discussed before.. be one of the sites that Christine and LE have the password to.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Couldn't it just be people playing games MP? I mean I seriously cannot fathom why Christine would jump into a chat with a man who possibly abandoned her a year ago. If nothing more, I think the shock of it would be too much after not hearing from him and thinking he was dead.

I can’t fathom why NF would post on a site, he once posted on, using his own name. If NF is alive and successfully evaded detection for a year, does he now wish to be found? There are easier ways, IMO.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I can’t fathom why NF would post on a site, he once posted on, using his own name. If NF is alive and successfully evaded detection for a year, does he now wish to be found? There are easier ways, IMO.

Yes there are - a simple phone call would suffice. I think this is all some type of silly game.

[Shelby1]

If you are a stalker M.. then we are all guilty!

I just wanted to share something else. Wasn't sure if I should bring it to the board or not because not really sure what it even means.

Recently there have been posts on the missing thread on YH. I had been over there reading and trying to find any other or find people that seemed to know Nicholas. See if I couldn't get an invite to the B3 site that is referenced there. (Remember, some of the members there supposedly know more about the disappearance and have even said that they have seen and spoken to Nicholas since his disappearance?) Well, their site was down.. it sent me directly in to a chat room. I clicked out of the chat the first time and then tried typing in the address again because it said it was just going to be down for sec and to go ahead and chat on Meebo'd til then. The second time I tried.. the chat popped up again.. first line in the chat room was from "Francisco". NOW.. I have no idea what was being discussed before it put me into this room but I cut and pasted as much of the chat that had to do with this "Francisco" person as I could. It was difficult because it wouldn't let you highlight more than one line at a time. Didn't think to do a screen shot of it at the time. So, just as M said about the marriage information.. my credibility and reputation will have to be the deciding factor on whether you believe this actually took place or not. I have no link. Just what I cut and pasted at the time...

Francisco : did you know im a sexual deviant?
Gorbachev: hubbadubba
nomaru: yes. we know.
Gorbachev: Francisco I know you
nomaru: thanks to a spot on the today show and your myspace page
Francisco : Hi Buddy! did we meet on myspace?
Gorbachev: do you perform sex acts on webcam for a fee?
spoo: yes
Gorbachev: wow me too
Gorbachev: when i rub my birthmark i get aroused
Francisco: lol only if you will hide me in your closet from the police for
months while my ex thinks im dead!

At this point I tried to PM the person and they disappeared!

They did come back in to the chat room later but I am not 100% sure that it was the same person. It happened after I gave this information to Christine and I believe she then went in to the chat room and started asking about him but I do not know that it was her.. just my guess.. Someone popped on saying they were him and messed with the people asking about him. BEFORE that tho.. it was asked if anyone knew "francisco" and people said yes and they were asked if he comes on there and someone said "yeah, all the time".

I don't know what it means. I don't know if it was him or someone playing him. I do know that B3 site probably holds alot of clues and I WISH we could get into there.

Mystry, I don't doubt what you say, either.

I wish we could know if it was really Nicholas or not.

My feeling is that it isn't and it's just someone trying to stir the pot.

When was this chat? Recently?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Mystry, I don't doubt what you say, either.

I wish we could know if it was really Nicholas or not.

My feeling is that it isn't and it's just someone trying to stir the pot.

When was this chat? Recently?

(highlighted by me)
I agree Shelby. I'm not sure what is going on with all of that, but I find it highly unlikely that Nicholas would use that forum to announce his return. I also do not see Christine just chatting away with him. IMO that would negate everything she has said and done about being afraid of Nicholas and being afraid for her children.

[Cheri_G]

MP,

Do you remember what day you saw the chat?

[MystryPhobia]

MP,

Do you remember what day you saw the chat?

It was March 10th.. afternoon.

[Musterion]

I don't doubt that MP saw what she says she did. Having read all 35 pages of the YH discussion I think there's several possibilities here.

It may be somebody (possibly even Christine) posing as Nick in hopes somebody from one or more of the crime boards see it so they can watch what happens and have a giggle.

It may be somebody posing as Nick to wind Christine up. Several of the peeps posting there don't seem to like her and think she's nutz.

It may be Nick. Christine has some supporters among the YH group so if Nick is alive and well and chatting or posting with them its with the knowlege it will get back to her. If that's the case it would suggest to me he didn't just disappear and she knew all along he was leaving.

These are really good points, Cheri.

I'm with you and CuC, Rainy and the rest of my fellow posters in that while it's a possibility it is Nick it is more than likely not.

Remember, when asked about yayhooray last year around this time, Harlett said that it wasn't Nicholas. She said it wasn't Christine, but that is probably because Christine told her it wasn't her. Which means it could very well be her. IMO.

HOH could have known who it was if she was definite it was not Nicholas. The question is, how did she know it was NOT Nicholas.

Whoever it was last year is probably the same person logging on to his account this year.

JMO.
M.

[Breazy]

These are really good points, Cheri.

I'm with you and CuC, Rainy and the rest of my fellow posters in that while it's a possibility it is Nick it is more than likely not.

Remember, when asked about yayhooray last year around this time, Harlett said that it wasn't Nicholas. She said it wasn't Christine, but that is probably because Christine told her it wasn't her. Which means it could very well be her. IMO.

HOH could have known who it was if she was definite it was not Nicholas. The question is, how did she know it was NOT Nicholas.

Whoever it was last year is probably the same person logging on to his account this year.

JMO.
M.

Agreed and my money is on Christine.

[Musterion]

Yes there are - a simple phone call would suffice. I think this is all some type of silly game.

I know that these cases bring out the nut cases. Some would say that WE are the nut cases! LOL!!! Anyway....

Why would someone want to portray Nicholas? Who would have anything to gain by that?

Nicholas suddenly coming on and chatting with his old pals seems unlikely. For one, if they are chatting with him and have not reported that to LE, it wouldn't look too good for them legally. IMO.

Also, since HOH said, last year, that it was NOT Nicholas that may lead us to think that LE has already investigated that lead. They may have the IP address and felt it was not a valid lead for whatever reason.

All JMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

These are really good points, Cheri.

I'm with you and CuC, Rainy and the rest of my fellow posters in that while it's a possibility it is Nick it is more than likely not.

Remember, when asked about yayhooray last year around this time, Harlett said that it wasn't Nicholas. She said it wasn't Christine, but that is probably because Christine told her it wasn't her. Which means it could very well be her. IMO.

HOH could have known who it was if she was definite it was not Nicholas. The question is, how did she know it was NOT Nicholas.

Whoever it was last year is probably the same person logging on to his account this year.

JMO.
M.

Something I've always wondered - heresay? JMO
(highlighted by me)

[Musterion]

Something I've always wondered - heresay? JMO
(highlighted by me)

Good point, Rainy.

Did her knowledge come from LE or did it come from Christine.....

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Agreed and my money is on Christine.

Hi Breazy! It's nice to see you!

If it is Christine portraying Nicholas, I would say that she would be in almost bigger trouble then if it was Nicholas. KWIM?

There is a law in place, I'll try to find it, about portraying someone else on the internet. It's called fraud. I'll look for that link today.

I might add, that whoever was on YH saying they were 'franciscos wife', could have a legal issue or two. Francisco doesn't have a wife. Does he?

JMO.
M.

[Breazy]

Hi Breazy! It's nice to see you!

If it is Christine portraying Nicholas, I would say that she would be in almost bigger trouble then if it was Nicholas. KWIM?

There is a law in place, I'll try to find it, about portraying someone else on the internet. It's called fraud. I'll look for that link today.

I might add, that whoever was on YH saying they were 'franciscos wife', could have a legal issue or two. Francisco doesn't have a wife. Does he?

JMO.
M.


Hi right back at you, Musterion! It's good to see you too.

The loophole around that fraud issue you mentioned, posting as "Francisco", is that Christine's last name is technically still Francisco. I doubt she changed her name back to her maiden name as part of the divorce since she has three children with that last name. Which starts me wondering if Christine still gave the new baby the last name of Francisco? Regardless, I doubt anyone would ever pursue charges against her if it happened to be her posting.

[Cury-us Coyote]

FWIW - arrest in Jeremy Scully case. Lengthy LE investigation attributed to analysis of computer forensics.
jmo

[Musterion]

Hi right back at you, Musterion! It's good to see you too.

The loophole around that fraud issue you mentioned, posting as "Francisco", is that Christine's last name is technically still Francisco. I doubt she changed her name back to her maiden name as part of the divorce since she has three children with that last name. Which starts me wondering if Christine still gave the new baby the last name of Francisco? Regardless, I doubt anyone would ever pursue charges against her if it happened to be her posting.

Really good point, Breazy.

But, just a hypothetical. What if, say, Christine got married last weekend and her name was changed then. The 'Francisco' YH's were on Tuesday.

How would that affect the fraud issue.

Also, remember the case where the little girl killed herself because her friends' mother was portraying herself as a boy interested in this little girl? I believe she wasn't charged with any federal or state charges, but she was charged, IIRC, with TOS violation of MySpace.

I wonder if YayHooray has similar terms of service.

Just pondering.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

FWIW - arrest in Jeremy Scully case. Lengthy LE investigation attributed to analysis of computer forensics.
jmo

Wow. Thanks CuC.

Very interesting....

IMO.
M.

[Breazy]

Really good point, Breazy.

But, just a hypothetical. What if, say, Christine got married last weekend and her name was changed then. The 'Francisco' YH's were on Tuesday.

How would that affect the fraud issue.

Also, remember the case where the little girl killed herself because her friends' mother was portraying herself as a boy interested in this little girl? I believe she wasn't charged with any federal or state charges, but she was charged, IIRC, with TOS violation of MySpace.

I wonder if YayHooray has similar terms of service.

Just pondering.

IMO.
M.

I really don't have a clue about laws regarding fraud and the internet and I doubt the ones that exist are enforced unless, like in the case you mentoned, harm was brought to another and charges were pursued by the injured party. With that being said, if Christine did get married last weekend, she wouldn't have had time by Tuesday to officially and legally have her name changed. That would take several weeks for all paperwork to make its way through the channels.

[Cheri_G]

It was March 10th.. afternoon.

Thanks. It was that morning cteal posted the link. I was off and on the site all morning and into the early afternoon. When I checked after seeing ST's post that the site was down (sometime between 6 & 7pm I think) it was working, so it was re-routing to the chatroom for a few hours at best.

It may have all been a hoax. You said you contacted CF when you saw it. If I understood everything correctly "francisco" left before she showed up to ask questions and came back after she was gone. There are other reasons why they might not be there at the same time, but its possible that it was the same person posing as both.

As I recall CF had Nick's password for the account and possibly HOH. There's no way of knowing who else she may have shared it with. It could easily have been any of them or the account may have expired and somebody else took up the nickname to pose as him.

As someone else pointed out, if Nick is alive and ready to be found there are easier and more direct ways to make that happen. I don't think it is. I think its probably someone who wants people to think its him.

[Cheri_G]

These are really good points, Cheri.

I'm with you and CuC, Rainy and the rest of my fellow posters in that while it's a possibility it is Nick it is more than likely not.

Remember, when asked about yayhooray last year around this time, Harlett said that it wasn't Nicholas. She said it wasn't Christine, but that is probably because Christine told her it wasn't her. Which means it could very well be her. IMO.

HOH could have known who it was if she was definite it was not Nicholas. The question is, how did she know it was NOT Nicholas.

Whoever it was last year is probably the same person logging on to his account this year.

JMO.
M.

Hi Musterion,

I do remember that. I also remember it was stated, (by Christine herself IIRC), that she had ALL Nick's passwords. So she and anyone she shared them with could conceivably access and use the accounts at any time including now.

[MystryPhobia]

Thanks. It was that morning cteal posted the link. I was off and on the site all morning and into the early afternoon. When I checked after seeing ST's post that the site was down (sometime between 6 & 7pm I think) it was working, so it was re-routing to the chatroom for a few hours at best.

It may have all been a hoax. You said you contacted CF when you saw it. If I understood everything correctly "francisco" left before she showed up to ask questions and came back after she was gone. There are other reasons why they might not be there at the same time, but its possible that it was the same person posing as both.

As I recall CF had Nick's password for the account and possibly HOH. There's no way of knowing who else she may have shared it with. It could easily have been any of them or the account may have expired and somebody else took up the nickname to pose as him.

As someone else pointed out, if Nick is alive and ready to be found there are easier and more direct ways to make that happen. I don't think it is. I think its probably someone who wants people to think its him.

That isn't exactly accurate actually. I was put in the room when someone using "Francisco" was posting.. to begin with. I sat there for awhile cutting a pasting. (Like I said.. it was difficult to do because it would only let me highlight one line of text at a time and it would take forever to let me even do that.. then I had to go back to my notepad to paste the one line.. and I was trying to keep up with what was being said.. it was moving pretty fast but not just with his parts) I then decided to try to talk to the person and then they disappeared off the list of names.

About half hour or so later... someone (a guest) asked if anyone knew "francisco".. people answered that they did.. they then guest asked if they ever saw him on there and someone answered "all the time".. then 'francisco' popped in the room and started talking. The "guest" and then 'francisco's wife' started asking questions of the 'francisco' that was there but I think it was someone messing with them because something was said about his daughter and he responded with an "I HAVE A DAUGHTER?" kinda thing. Then another 'francisco' popped into the chat and started doing the same kind of things and then the guest and francisco's wife left and so did both of the francisco's that were there at that time.

When you went into the chat you were automatically given a "guest57883" kind of number. You could rename yourself what ever you wanted after that.

I have screen shots of some of the conversation. I am not sure if I could get in to trouble for posting them or not. What do you guys think? And if you think I should.. someone tell me how. I remember on another case someone had me put them somewhere and then you could get a link from there or a mini link from there and post it here. But, I don't remember how to do it.

[Cheri_G]

That isn't exactly accurate actually. I was put in the room when someone using "Francisco" was posting.. to begin with. I sat there for awhile cutting a pasting. (Like I said.. it was difficult to do because it would only let me highlight one line of text at a time and it would take forever to let me even do that.. then I had to go back to my notepad to paste the one line.. and I was trying to keep up with what was being said.. it was moving pretty fast but not just with his parts) I then decided to try to talk to the person and then they disappeared off the list of names.

About half hour or so later... someone (a guest) asked if anyone knew "francisco".. people answered that they did.. they then guest asked if they ever saw him on there and someone answered "all the time".. then 'francisco' popped in the room and started talking. The "guest" and then 'francisco's wife' started asking questions of the 'francisco' that was there but I think it was someone messing with them because something was said about his daughter and he responded with an "I HAVE A DAUGHTER?" kinda thing. Then another 'francisco' popped into the chat and started doing the same kind of things and then the guest and francisco's wife left and so did both of the francisco's that were there at that time.

When you went into the chat you were automatically given a "guest57883" kind of number. You could rename yourself what ever you wanted after that.

I have screen shots of some of the conversation. I am not sure if I could get in to trouble for posting them or not. What do you guys think? And if you think I should.. someone tell me how. I remember on another case someone had me put them somewhere and then you could get a link from there or a mini link from there and post it here. But, I don't remember how to do it.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm still leaning toward it being a hoax of some kind.

I don't think you can post images here. You'd have to put them elsewhere and provide a link to where they are. If you have a photobucket account that would work. If you want you can send them to me and I'll put them up on my site. You'll need to PM me if you want to go that route.

[BeetlebrowII]

If you are a stalker M.. then we are all guilty!

I just wanted to share something else. Wasn't sure if I should bring it to the board or not because not really sure what it even means.

Recently there have been posts on the missing thread on YH. I had been over there reading and trying to find any other or find people that seemed to know Nicholas. See if I couldn't get an invite to the B3 site that is referenced there. (Remember, some of the members there supposedly know more about the disappearance and have even said that they have seen and spoken to Nicholas since his disappearance?) Well, their site was down.. it sent me directly in to a chat room. I clicked out of the chat the first time and then tried typing in the address again because it said it was just going to be down for sec and to go ahead and chat on Meebo'd til then. The second time I tried.. the chat popped up again.. first line in the chat room was from "Francisco". NOW.. I have no idea what was being discussed before it put me into this room but I cut and pasted as much of the chat that had to do with this "Francisco" person as I could. It was difficult because it wouldn't let you highlight more than one line at a time. Didn't think to do a screen shot of it at the time. So, just as M said about the marriage information.. my credibility and reputation will have to be the deciding factor on whether you believe this actually took place or not. I have no link. Just what I cut and pasted at the time...

Francisco : did you know im a sexual deviant?
Gorbachev: hubbadubba
nomaru: yes. we know.
Gorbachev: Francisco I know you
nomaru: thanks to a spot on the today show and your myspace page
Francisco : Hi Buddy! did we meet on myspace?
Gorbachev: do you perform sex acts on webcam for a fee?
spoo: yes
Gorbachev: wow me too
Gorbachev: when i rub my birthmark i get aroused
Francisco: lol only if you will hide me in your closet from the police for
months while my ex thinks im dead!

At this point I tried to PM the person and they disappeared!

They did come back in to the chat room later but I am not 100% sure that it was the same person. It happened after I gave this information to Christine and I believe she then went in to the chat room and started asking about him but I do not know that it was her.. just my guess.. Someone popped on saying they were him and messed with the people asking about him. BEFORE that tho.. it was asked if anyone knew "francisco" and people said yes and they were asked if he comes on there and someone said "yeah, all the time".

I don't know what it means. I don't know if it was him or someone playing him. I do know that B3 site probably holds alot of clues and I WISH we could get into there.

OMG!!!! :laugh:

This is so obviously someone goofing around!!!

I spent alot of time googling the name Francisco and trust me there are so many people with that screen name.

Somebody probably questioned the poster who was using the screen name "Francisco" as to if he was the infamous "Nicholas Francisco" and it has snowballed from there.

Does anyone honestly think that Nicholas would write "did you know I am a sexual devient?" and "LOL, only if you hide me in the closet from the police for months while my ex thinks I'm dead"

This is someone making up what they think Nicholas might say.....and doing it for a laugh!. There is alot we may not know about Nicholas, but one thing we do know is he was not stupid.

As far as Christine......this is a woman who wanted to move on with her life 3 WEEKS after Nicholas disappeared. It has been over a year now and I personally think she has moved on to more lucrative....uh greener.....pastures :smile:

[MystryPhobia]

OMG!!!! :laugh:

This is so obviously someone goofing around!!!

I spent alot of time googling the name Francisco and trust me there are so many people with that screen name.

Somebody probably questioned the poster who was using the screen name "Francisco" as to if he was the infamous "Nicholas Francisco" and it has snowballed from there.

Does anyone honestly think that Nicholas would write "did you know I am a sexual devient?" and "LOL, only if you hide me in the closet from the police for months while my ex thinks I'm dead"

This is someone making up what they think Nicholas might say.....and doing it for a laugh!. There is alot we may not know about Nicholas, but one thing we do know is he was not stupid.

As far as Christine......this is a woman who wanted to move on with her life 3 WEEKS after Nicholas disappeared. It has been over a year now and I personally think she has moved on to more lucrative....uh greener.....pastures :smile:

I don't think that ANYTHING can be disregarded when you are looking for a missing person. If Nicholas is alive then there is a very good chance that he does still communicate with people from his old life. Remember his laptop is still missing? The one that he went no where with out! That site was one that he was very active on until right before he disappeared and he had moved on to the B3S site. He may feel safe with some of those people. We have no way of knowing what value it adds. I will leave that to the detectives. BUT.. I will say if someone is talking like that in a chat.. and it is not Nicholas.. they very well could know more about him then we do and LE should talk to them. It's funny how some people want to completely disregard some things and give so much weight to others. You have no way of knowing that Christine "moved on to greener pastures" or wanted to 3 weeks after her husband went missing. That is ridiculous IMO!

This sounds just like the rumor that Christine sold all of Nicholas' stuff at a garage sale right after he went missing. Which, again, was ridiculous. There was a FUNDRAISING garage sale of many people and nothing that Nicholas wouldn't have sold himself, if he were able, was gotten rid of. Most of the items came from other people anyway that wanted to donate the money to help Nicholas' wife and children. But.. nobody wants to hear that part because it doesn't fit into the scandalous ideas that they have regarding it. Those friends, family and neighbors were trying to do something to help in a situation where they felt hopeless. It is a real shame that their good gesture was turned into circumstantial evidence of a murder.. to some.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't think that ANYTHING can be disregarded when you are looking for a missing person. If Nicholas is alive then there is a very good chance that he does still communicate with people from his old life. Remember his laptop is still missing? The one that he went no where with out! That site was one that he was very active on until right before he disappeared and he had moved on to the B3S site. He may feel safe with some of those people. We have no way of knowing what value it adds. I will leave that to the detectives. BUT.. I will say if someone is talking like that in a chat.. and it is not Nicholas.. they very well could know more about him then we do and LE should talk to them. It's funny how some people want to completely disregard some things and give so much weight to others. You have no way of knowing that Christine "moved on to greener pastures" or wanted to 3 weeks after her husband went missing. That is ridiculous IMO!

This sounds just like the rumor that Christine sold all of Nicholas' stuff at a garage sale right after he went missing. Which, again, was ridiculous. There was a FUNDRAISING garage sale of many people and nothing that Nicholas wouldn't have sold himself, if he were able, was gotten rid of. Most of the items came from other people anyway that wanted to donate the money to help Nicholas' wife and children. But.. nobody wants to hear that part because it doesn't fit into the scandalous ideas that they have regarding it. Those friends, family and neighbors were trying to do something to help in a situation where they felt hopeless. It is a real shame that their good gesture was turned into circumstantial evidence of a murder.. to some.

I don't know where the three week reference came from either. I think if you take any one single activity that Christine did or did not do after Nicholas went missing, it would not cause any suspicion.

However, if you compile a list of things she did that did not add up or later found to not be the entire truth, you get a big picture. It has been recapped on here numerous time so there is no need to keep dragging it around. I just feel that if Christine had gone missing and Nicholas had done the exact same things Christine did, that he would be under the jail right now. To me, this should be an eye opener to LE everywhere because everything that a spouse does after their partner goes missing should not be suspect. But it can't be if the wife goes missing, LE investigates one way, and if a husband goes missing, LE investigates another way. JMO

[Shelby1]

I don't know where the three week reference came from either. I think if you take any one single activity that Christine did or did not do after Nicholas went missing, it would not cause any suspicion.

However, if you compile a list of things she did that did not add up or later found to not be the entire truth, you get a big picture. It has been recapped on here numerous time so there is no need to keep dragging it around. I just feel that if Christine had gone missing and Nicholas had done the exact same things Christine did, that he would be under the jail right now. To me, this should be an eye opener to LE everywhere because everything that a spouse does after their partner goes missing should not be suspect. But it can't be if the wife goes missing, LE investigates one way, and if a husband goes missing, LE investigates another way. JMO


Bolding mine


I agree with everything you said except for the bolded statement. The one single thing that Christine did that looked suspicious? Filing and obtaining a divorce. I guarantee you if the genders were reversed, a lot more would have been made about that move.

[SilverDove]

Bolding mine


I agree with everything you said except for the bolded statement. The one single thing that Christine did that looked suspicious? Filing and obtaining a divorce. I guarantee you if the genders were reversed, a lot more would have been made about that move.

By this same logic if all the thing that have been found about Nicholas is taken into account it is much easer to see that he might have left on his own or killed by the stuff he had gotten into.

Of course Christine comes off looking bad because in the beginning she was trying to say that she had a wonderful marriage and show that Nicholas would never leave her or the children because people would look for him. I tend to believe that she even believed it in the beginning. Then over the search she found and the LE found and we found that the wonderful marriage was only in her mind. Nicholas had a secret life and accounts.

She was a pregnant woman with two small children and her world was falling apart. She was going to lose her house. She had lost her husband both in reality and in memory of who he was. She was scared. No one here has ever said she was perfect but she was trying to make by.

Every thing that was found about her or even anything that might make her look bad was examined until it was twisted enough to make a bad picture. Every rumor, every person who heard something from somewhere be it a chat room or other sources was fair game. At the same time anything about Nicholas that didn't conform to the ideal Nicholas has been instantly discarded and/or minimized without hardly a glance.

On the one hand people want to say that everything Christine says is a lie but on the other hand they want to believe that anything good she said about Nicholas is the truth. You can have it both ways. If she is lying then it is altogether possible that she lied about him being home every night. That she lied to make him look better then he was. Why because that way people would look for him. If he was a jerk who might have just walked out on her no one would have bothered.

As to the divorce I think I would have done the same thing if I had found out my whole marriage was a sham and he had been lying to me and cheating. The nights are long and lonely when someone you loved is gone. It is easy to start seeing the stuff you hadn't paid attention to while they were there.

Most of the reason it would have been different if the gender was reversed is that men do kill their wives to get out of support and women tend not to so they can get support. Unless Nicholas was abusive Christine had nothing what so ever to gain by killing him and everything to lose.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I suspect CF’s early interviews were not totally accurate and she was advised to stop future appearances, IMO. Hopefully CF was more honest with LE than the public. Maybe at the time of NF’s disappearance, CF’s reported version of life within the Francisco home was the easiest explanation for CF and garnered desperately needed sympathy. For some reason CF's family remained quiet, IMO.

Perhaps an under-funded and under-staffed LE department would be less aggressive in their search effort, if LE learned of and confirmed previous strife within the family and no chargeable crimes committed.

Today the Francisco children need an explanation at a level they can understand. Years from now, whether an adoption occurs or not, the Francisco children may seek additional truthful details. NF may become a bigger than life folk hero to his own children, as a mechanism to counter negative rumors. I wonder if NF’s family members are allowed visitation and balance. Are RSOs in place?
jmo

[MystryPhobia]

By this same logic if all the thing that have been found about Nicholas is taken into account it is much easer to see that he might have left on his own or killed by the stuff he had gotten into.

Of course Christine comes off looking bad because in the beginning she was trying to say that she had a wonderful marriage and show that Nicholas would never leave her or the children because people would look for him. I tend to believe that she even believed it in the beginning. Then over the search she found and the LE found and we found that the wonderful marriage was only in her mind. Nicholas had a secret life and accounts.

She was a pregnant woman with two small children and her world was falling apart. She was going to lose her house. She had lost her husband both in reality and in memory of who he was. She was scared. No one here has ever said she was perfect but she was trying to make by.

Every thing that was found about her or even anything that might make her look bad was examined until it was twisted enough to make a bad picture. Every rumor, every person who heard something from somewhere be it a chat room or other sources was fair game. At the same time anything about Nicholas that didn't conform to the ideal Nicholas has been instantly discarded and/or minimized without hardly a glance.

On the one hand people want to say that everything Christine says is a lie but on the other hand they want to believe that anything good she said about Nicholas is the truth. You can have it both ways. If she is lying then it is altogether possible that she lied about him being home every night. That she lied to make him look better then he was. Why because that way people would look for him. If he was a jerk who might have just walked out on her no one would have bothered.

As to the divorce I think I would have done the same thing if I had found out my whole marriage was a sham and he had been lying to me and cheating. The nights are long and lonely when someone you loved is gone. It is easy to start seeing the stuff you hadn't paid attention to while they were there.

Most of the reason it would have been different if the gender was reversed is that men do kill their wives to get out of support and women tend not to so they can get support. Unless Nicholas was abusive Christine had nothing what so ever to gain by killing him and everything to lose.

Thank you! You were much more articulate about it then I have ever been but this is exactly what my point has been as well. People can't have it both ways.

[Shelby1]

By this same logic if all the thing that have been found about Nicholas is taken into account it is much easer to see that he might have left on his own or killed by the stuff he had gotten into.

Of course Christine comes off looking bad because in the beginning she was trying to say that she had a wonderful marriage and show that Nicholas would never leave her or the children because people would look for him. I tend to believe that she even believed it in the beginning. Then over the search she found and the LE found and we found that the wonderful marriage was only in her mind. Nicholas had a secret life and accounts.

She was a pregnant woman with two small children and her world was falling apart. She was going to lose her house. She had lost her husband both in reality and in memory of who he was. She was scared. No one here has ever said she was perfect but she was trying to make by.

Every thing that was found about her or even anything that might make her look bad was examined until it was twisted enough to make a bad picture. Every rumor, every person who heard something from somewhere be it a chat room or other sources was fair game. At the same time anything about Nicholas that didn't conform to the ideal Nicholas has been instantly discarded and/or minimized without hardly a glance.

On the one hand people want to say that everything Christine says is a lie but on the other hand they want to believe that anything good she said about Nicholas is the truth. You can have it both ways. If she is lying then it is altogether possible that she lied about him being home every night. That she lied to make him look better then he was. Why because that way people would look for him. If he was a jerk who might have just walked out on her no one would have bothered.

As to the divorce I think I would have done the same thing if I had found out my whole marriage was a sham and he had been lying to me and cheating. The nights are long and lonely when someone you loved is gone. It is easy to start seeing the stuff you hadn't paid attention to while they were there.

Most of the reason it would have been different if the gender was reversed is that men do kill their wives to get out of support and women tend not to so they can get support. Unless Nicholas was abusive Christine had nothing what so ever to gain by killing him and everything to lose.

Do we know for a fact that Nicholas was leading a double life?

No.

We have an ex-wife saying that he was.

So, he was a member of AFF and a few other sites and he enjoyed talking about sex. That doesn't make him a messed up freak. I've looked at lots of sites and I enjoy sex. I don't consider myself as leading a secret life by doing that. IMO Christine has lead/leads an extremely sheltered life and anything that is slightly beyond the missionary position would be considered "risque" in her book. Sorry for the bluntness, but that's how I see it.

[MystryPhobia]

I suspect CF’s early interviews were not totally accurate and she was advised to stop future appearances, IMO. Hopefully CF was more honest with LE than the public. Maybe at the time of NF’s disappearance, CF’s reported version of life within the Francisco home was the easiest explanation for CF and garnered desperately needed sympathy. For some reason CF's family remained quiet, IMO.

Perhaps an under-funded and under-staffed LE department would be less aggressive in their search effort, if LE learned of and confirmed previous strife within the family and no chargeable crimes committed.

Today the Francisco children need an explanation at a level they can understand. Years from now, whether an adoption occurs or not, the Francisco children may seek additional truthful details. NF may become a bigger than life folk hero to his own children, as a mechanism to counter negative rumors. I wonder if NF’s family members are allowed visitation and balance. Are RSOs in place?
jmo

To think of the long term effects on the children is heartbreaking. This does not just go away for them if an adoption occurs... you are soo right. It is where they come from.. their legacy and it will shape their lives in ways we probably will never understand. It is tragic!

[MystryPhobia]

Do we know for a fact that Nicholas was leading a double life?

No.

We have an ex-wife saying that he was.

So, he was a member of AFF and a few other sites and he enjoyed talking about sex. That doesn't make him a messed up freak. I've looked at lots of sites and I enjoy sex. I don't consider myself as leading a secret life by doing that. IMO Christine has lead/leads an extremely sheltered life and anything that is slightly beyond the missionary position would be considered "risque" in her book. Sorry for the bluntness, but that's how I see it.


LOL I am not even going to TOUCH this one..

OK do have to say this tho... your husband having a secret life where he kept secret bank accounts that funded sex sites like AFF, places like The Wet Spot and others, him having sexual, INTIMATE relationships with men and women that he kept you from knowing about and protecting yourself from.. is fine with you???? Or should it have just been fine for Christine. I don't get that part!

If any of us were going through this and came on here saying we found this out about our SO.. all the others would be saying dump him, get rid of him, he is a slimeball.. etc etc

[Shelby1]

LOL I am not even going to TOUCH this one..

OK do have to say this tho... your husband having a secret life where he kept secret bank accounts that funded sex sites like AFF, places like The Wet Spot and others, him having sexual, INTIMATE relationships with men and women that he kept you from knowing about and protecting yourself from.. is fine with you???? Or should it have just been fine for Christine. I don't get that part!

If any of us were going through this and came on here saying we found this out about our SO.. all the others would be saying dump him, get rid of him, he is a slimeball.. etc etc

Did I say anything about meeting up with people in my post? Nope.

Do we have proof that Nicholas did that? Nope.

[MystryPhobia]

Did I say anything about meeting up with people in my post? Nope.

Do we have proof that Nicholas did that? Nope.


Yes, we do. Christine does. LE does!

[Shelby1]

LE made a statement that Nicholas had been meeting up with random people and having sex?

I'll have to read back....guess I missed that part.

[Cury-us Coyote]

That isn't exactly accurate actually. I was put in the room when someone using "Francisco" was posting.. to begin with. I sat there for awhile cutting a pasting. (Like I said.. it was difficult to do because it would only let me highlight one line of text at a time and it would take forever to let me even do that.. then I had to go back to my notepad to paste the one line.. and I was trying to keep up with what was being said.. it was moving pretty fast but not just with his parts) I then decided to try to talk to the person and then they disappeared off the list of names.

About half hour or so later... someone (a guest) asked if anyone knew "francisco".. people answered that they did.. they then guest asked if they ever saw him on there and someone answered "all the time".. then 'francisco' popped in the room and started talking. The "guest" and then 'francisco's wife' started asking questions of the 'francisco' that was there but I think it was someone messing with them because something was said about his daughter and he responded with an "I HAVE A DAUGHTER?" kinda thing. Then another 'francisco' popped into the chat and started doing the same kind of things and then the guest and francisco's wife left and so did both of the francisco's that were there at that time.

When you went into the chat you were automatically given a "guest57883" kind of number. You could rename yourself what ever you wanted after that.

I have screen shots of some of the conversation. I am not sure if I could get in to trouble for posting them or not. What do you guys think? And if you think I should.. someone tell me how. I remember on another case someone had me put them somewhere and then you could get a link from there or a mini link from there and post it here. But, I don't remember how to do it.

Were the multiple francisco nics @ YH slightly different? Seems unusual that multiple identical Nics are systematically allowed, IMO.

[MystryPhobia]

LE made a statement that Nicholas had been meeting up with random people and having sex?

I'll have to read back....guess I missed that part.

LE isn't going to say that!

I know for a fact.. because I have spoken to people that Nicholas met in real life.. with the intentions of being intimate with them. Now I don't know that he was intimate with all of them but that goes a little further than some online fantasy IMO if he is meeting them for real! (although I don't agree that an emotional affair with someone online is nothing.. I certainly wouldn't enjoy finding that out about someone I loved and was committed to) I did speak with one couple (man, woman) that told me that he did join them in their bedroom and that they had given all the information they had to LE. And.. if they hadn't.. I forwarded the info to the detective.

So, I don't think LE has to come out and give us all the gory details. They did say that things about him had been discovered but that didn't diminish the he was a missing person.

[Cheri_G]

LOL I am not even going to TOUCH this one..

OK do have to say this tho... your husband having a secret life where he kept secret bank accounts that funded sex sites like AFF, places like The Wet Spot and others, him having sexual, INTIMATE relationships with men and women that he kept you from knowing about and protecting yourself from.. is fine with you???? Or should it have just been fine for Christine. I don't get that part!

If any of us were going through this and came on here saying we found this out about our SO.. all the others would be saying dump him, get rid of him, he is a slimeball.. etc etc

Where is the information that there were multiple "secret" bank accounts and that they were all being used to fund sex sites and sex clubs coming from?

[MystryPhobia]

Were the multiple francisco nics @ YH slightly different? Seems unusual that multiple identical Nics are systematically allowed, IMO.


The first one I saw was with a capital F. The other two.. later on.. were both lower case.

I am not positive but I think that everyone could have named themselves "francisco" if they wanted to. The only difference was that they were different colors.

I doubt any of them were him but still have to wonder why it was being discussed there.. like that. Was very odd IMO!

[MystryPhobia]

Where is the information that there were multiple "secret" bank accounts and that they were all being used to fund sex sites and sex clubs coming from?

We know that he took money out of an account that Christine knew nothing about... the night he went missing. The AFF membership was also paid with an account that Christine didn't know about.. according to HOH.

It was all discussed early on..

[Shelby1]

Yes, we do. Christine does. LE does!

What I'm trying to say is that one person's idea of a "deviant" sex life is another person's idea of a normal sex life. I have no doubt that Christine was/is shocked about things that Nicholas did. What I'm saying is that if it was just surfing around, joining a few sites and looking, then it's not as big of a deal as she makes it seem. Of course IF he met up with people and IF he had multiple bank accounts paying for his activities, then that's a different story.

I just have no proof that he went beyond the internet.

[Cheri_G]

LE isn't going to say that!

I know for a fact.. because I have spoken to people that Nicholas met in real life.. with the intentions of being intimate with them. Now I don't know that he was intimate with all of them but that goes a little further than some online fantasy IMO if he is meeting them for real! (although I don't agree that an emotional affair with someone online is nothing.. I certainly wouldn't enjoy finding that out about someone I loved and was committed to) I did speak with one couple (man, woman) that told me that he did join them in their bedroom and that they had given all the information they had to LE. And.. if they hadn't.. I forwarded the info to the detective.

So, I don't think LE has to come out and give us all the gory details. They did say that things about him had been discovered but that didn't diminish the he was a missing person.

How many people have you talked to that said they met Nick IRL through adult sites?

Did any of these people tell you when these meetings took place?

The reason I ask is because most of the sites I've seen that have been attributed to Nick had been closed for a year or more before he went missing. That might suggest that what may have been a past behaviour was not something he was engaging in at the time he went missing.

[Cheri_G]

We know that he took money out of an account that Christine knew nothing about... the night he went missing. The AFF membership was also paid with an account that Christine didn't know about.. according to HOH.

It was all discussed early on..

Yes it was discussed early on and the information has not changed.

There was an account that Nick withdrew money from the day he went missing. We don't know what the money was for or what past transactions had been made on the account.

HOH said the AFF membership, (which at the time we all saw it was one of AFF's free accounts), was at one time one of their premium service pay accounts. I don't recall that she ever said that there was a second secret bank account that was used to pay for that, but I may be remembering wrong.

[MystryPhobia]

How many people have you talked to that said they met Nick IRL through adult sites?

Did any of these people tell you when these meetings took place?

The reason I ask is because most of the sites I've seen that have been attributed to Nick had been closed for a year or more before he went missing. That might suggest that what may have been a past behaviour was not something he was engaging in at the time he went missing.



All the people that I have talked to were through AFF. I never found anything and don't think anyone else did.. if they did.. I never heard about it.. from the ones that were older.

He was an active member of AFF when he disappeared. I think when we were watching the site.. it clicked to "3 months or more" the day before the 3 month anniversary of his disappearance. I didn't log on to the one I created and watched it to see how long it took it to switch to the "3 months or more" status and it flipped the day before the 3 month mark but it was late at night the last time I logged in and it could go off of a different time zone since most of the country is ahead of us. To me.. that puts him logging in very close to his disappearance for the last time!

Christine did not have the password for this account and as far as I know.. nobody could ever figure it out! Just thinking.. wonder if LE could get that infomation with a subpoena? Wonder if they did or if they didn't.. why they didn't!

[SilverDove]

So again we make to the jump to nothing about Nicholas can be proved so it must be Christine.

Why when something that doesn't have a link is said about Christine no one questions it but anything about Nicholas is dissected till it can be totally dismissed?

So still if Nicholas doesn't come out smelling like roses it must all be dismissed.

LE, Harlett, and most other people have not reviled everything they know. Something is always held back. Somethings have been twisted to the point of not even being the same as they started and others are partial information that is being used a total proof now.

If all information about Christine needs to be talked about then all information about Nicholas needs talking about also. Again if it has to do with Nicholas it is being dismissed and questioned instantly. Funny I didn't see the same thing happen when someone posted that Christine was engaged but had no proof.

[Shelby1]

SD, I think it's because Christine isn't the one that's missing.

I don't dissect everything about Christine because she's alive and well and can defend herself.

IMO of course.

[MystryPhobia]

Yes it was discussed early on and the information has not changed.

There was an account that Nick withdrew money from the day he went missing. We don't know what the money was for or what past transactions had been made on the account.

HOH said the AFF membership, (which at the time we all saw it was one of AFF's free accounts), was at one time one of their premium service pay accounts. I don't recall that she ever said that there was a second secret bank account that was used to pay for that, but I may be remembering wrong.




A receipts was found for the AFF site.. it was being paid for by an account that Christine did not know about. We did not get a link to it nor have we seen a copy of the receipt.

It is obvious that his account was a premium membership. For one.. he was posting blogs and stuff which he couldn't do. He was commenting on photos that he wouldn't be able to do.. etc. I think it is safe to say that Christine wasn't going to allow him to pay for it from their joint account.. given that she has lived such a sheltered life!

[MystryPhobia]

SD, I think it's because Christine isn't the one that's missing.

I don't dissect everything about Christine because she's alive and well and can defend herself.

IMO of course.

Jeremy Scully was missing. He was also involved in the alt lifestyle. If his life hadn't been dissected and everything looked at then nobody would have ever been brought to justice for what they did to him. Everything is relevant IMO with Christine and Nicholas both!

[Shelby1]

Jeremy Scully was missing. He was also involved in the alt lifestyle. If his life hadn't been dissected and everything looked at then nobody would have ever been brought to justice for what they did to him. Everything is relevant IMO with Christine and Nicholas both!

You're right, MP, both should be looked at.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Jeremy Scully was missing. He was also involved in the alt lifestyle. If his life hadn't been dissected and everything looked at then nobody would have ever been brought to justice for what they did to him. Everything is relevant IMO with Christine and Nicholas both!


Oh I agree completely Mystry. I've used Jeremy Scully as an example several times. The difference in the Jeremy Scully case and this case is that the first time anyone tried to decipher any inconsistencies with Christine's statements or stories people went crazy on this board. No one could discuss anything that put her under a microscope.

Another difference in the cases is that Jeremy Scully's family loved him unconditionally or so it appeared to me. There were statements made to the effect that they still loved him in spite of what they had found out.

JMO

[Shelby1]

Oh I agree completely Mystry. I've used Jeremy Scully as an example several times. The difference in the Jeremy Scully case and this case is that the first time anyone tried to decipher any inconsistencies with Christine's statements or stories people went crazy on this board. No one could discuss anything that put her under a microscope.

Another difference in the cases is that Jeremy Scully's family loved him unconditionally or so it appeared to me. There were statements made to the effect that they still loved him in spite of what they had found out.

JMO

Rainy, you always say what I'm trying to say only I can't spit it out :wub:

[MystryPhobia]

What I'm trying to say is that one person's idea of a "deviant" sex life is another person's idea of a normal sex life. I have no doubt that Christine was/is shocked about things that Nicholas did. What I'm saying is that if it was just surfing around, joining a few sites and looking, then it's not as big of a deal as she makes it seem. Of course IF he met up with people and IF he had multiple bank accounts paying for his activities, then that's a different story.

I just have no proof that he went beyond the internet.

Funny you use the word "deviant".

I, personally feel that it is up to the individual what they choose to do with their own body. We are all given free choice! I don't think anything differently of Nicholas if he chose to live that way as far as him being a human being goes. I probably wouldn't be hanging out with him but think that is his own personal choices. On the other hand.. when someone decided to live that lifestyle but doesn't bother to tell someone that they are intimate with so they are able to make the decision whether they want to be exposed to that or not.. that isn't fair.

I have wondered in the past if the fundamental differences in us posters haven't brought on these difference of opinons regarding Nicholas and his choices. To me it seems so obvious what he was up to. Others don't see it at all. I wonder if that is because he would be thought of differently if they did.

You are right.. one person's idea of that would be TOTALLY different than someone elses. To a huge degree in some cases. I totally agree. Good point. Thanks

[RainyNiteNTx]

You're right, MP, both should be looked at.

I agree - they should, but people were almost forbidden to discuss Christine. I always felt it very important to determine what was truth and what wasn't truth. NOW we find out that what she was saying about the doting husband and cookie baking father was probably not true. But goodness if anyone even suggested that a year ago....geez...

[Shelby1]

Funny you use the word "deviant".

I, personally feel that it is up to the individual what they choose to do with their own body. We are all given free choice! I don't think anything differently of Nicholas if he chose to live that way as far as him being a human being goes. I probably wouldn't be hanging out with him but think that is his own personal choices. On the other hand.. when someone decided to live that lifestyle but doesn't bother to tell someone that they are intimate with so they are able to make the decision whether they want to be exposed to that or not.. that isn't fair.

I have wondered in the past if the fundamental differences in us posters haven't brought on these difference of opinons regarding Nicholas and his choices. To me it seems so obvious what he was up to. Others don't see it at all. I wonder if that is because he would be thought of differently if they did.

You are right.. one person's idea of that would be TOTALLY different than someone elses. To a huge degree in some cases. I totally agree. Good point. Thanks

I used that word because it seems to be used a lot to describe what Nicholas may or may not have been "in to".

I'm not always very good at saying in writing what I'm trying to say if I was speaking to you in person lol. Thanks for "getting" me.

[MystryPhobia]

Oh I agree completely Mystry. I've used Jeremy Scully as an example several times. The difference in the Jeremy Scully case and this case is that the first time anyone tried to decipher any inconsistencies with Christine's statements or stories people went crazy on this board. No one could discuss anything that put her under a microscope.

Another difference in the cases is that Jeremy Scully's family loved him unconditionally or so it appeared to me. There were statements made to the effect that they still loved him in spite of what they had found out.

JMO

I think he is a perfect example. He made choices for himself. I am sure that his family had no idea what he was doing. That usually isn't something that you bring up at family functions.. but yeah.. no matter what they still looked for him... period! Because of that choice.. something terrible happened to him tho. The same could be true for Nicholas and was just as much a possiblity as Christine doing something to him or him running away.

I always felt that Christine was put under a microscope, her every gesture, movement, word or inflection in her voice was picked apart and turned into something sinister.. but when things were brought up about Nicholas.. (such as a possible double life).. nobody wanted to hear it and we were scolded constantly for even mentioned something like that about someone that could be dead. I never understood that.. Rainy.

[Shelby1]

I agree - they should, but people were almost forbidden to discuss Christine. I always felt it very important to determine what was truth and what wasn't truth. NOW we find out that what she was saying about the doting husband and cookie baking father was probably not true. But goodness if anyone even suggested that a year ago....geez...


Exactly. I remember a quite a row breaking out if Christine's actions were questioned in any way.

[MystryPhobia]

I used that word because it seems to be used a lot to describe what Nicholas may or may not have been "in to".

I'm not always very good at saying in writing what I'm trying to say if I was speaking to you in person lol. Thanks for "getting" me.

I only said something because that was the word that the "Francisco" chatter used to describe himself. I thought that was why you used it. LOL

[RainyNiteNTx]

Rainy, you always say what I'm trying to say only I can't spit it out :wub:

Awww thanks Shelby :) I just know that I have been called almost every name in the book on this board, and been accused of horrible things (all in the name of the Lord of course) because I dared to question Christine's actions and statements. As you pointed out, she was not missing - her husband was.

[Shelby1]

I think he is a perfect example. He made choices for himself. I am sure that his family had no idea what he was doing. That usually isn't something that you bring up at family functions.. but yeah.. no matter what they still looked for him... period! Because of that choice.. something terrible happened to him tho. The same could be true for Nicholas and was just as much a possiblity as Christine doing something to him or him running away.

I always felt that Christine was put under a microscope, her every gesture, movement, word or inflection in her voice was picked apart and turned into something sinister.. but when things were brought up about Nicholas.. (such as a possible double life).. nobody wanted to hear it and we were scolded constantly for even mentioned something like that about someone that could be dead. I never understood that.. Rainy.


I think it's all in how each person perceives things.

I felt the opposite way because Christine was/is alive and kicking and can speak. Nicholas is missing and may or may not be able to speak.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think it's all in how each person perceives things.

I felt the opposite way because Christine was/is alive and kicking and can speak. Nicholas is missing and may or may not be able to speak.

Thats how I felt too Shelby. I've never seen a missing person forum where the one missing was bashed constantly. I didn't follow the Ray Gricar thread - maybe it was the same way?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think he is a perfect example. He made choices for himself. I am sure that his family had no idea what he was doing. That usually isn't something that you bring up at family functions.. but yeah.. no matter what they still looked for him... period! Because of that choice.. something terrible happened to him tho. The same could be true for Nicholas and was just as much a possiblity as Christine doing something to him or him running away.

I always felt that Christine was put under a microscope, her every gesture, movement, word or inflection in her voice was picked apart and turned into something sinister.. but when things were brought up about Nicholas.. (such as a possible double life).. nobody wanted to hear it and we were scolded constantly for even mentioned something like that about someone that could be dead. I never understood that.. Rainy.

Mystry - do you remember early on a group of us trying to determine if Nicholas left Christine? You came on here and said that some friends of his from his work read the board and were not impressed with what we were saying. At the same time, Christine was blogging labeling us as having "slandering tunnelvision"....and practically screaming that Nicholas would not leave her.

We had been criticized for thinking anything negative about Nicholas, then we were all expected to do an about face and believe everything negative about him. JMO

[Shelby1]

Thats how I felt too Shelby. I've never seen a missing person forum where the one missing was bashed constantly. I didn't follow the Ray Gricar thread - maybe it was the same way?


No, Ray was never bashed like Nicholas was. Speculation was/is rampant, but never like here.

[RainyNiteNTx]

No, Ray was never bashed like Nicholas was. Speculation was/is rampant, but never like here.

Thanks - I've always wondered about that.

[Shelby1]

Thanks - I've always wondered about that.

In a way, it seems like he was never raked over the coals because of his profession.....but that's just my thought.

[MystryPhobia]

Thats how I felt too Shelby. I've never seen a missing person forum where the one missing was bashed constantly. I didn't follow the Ray Gricar thread - maybe it was the same way?

Rainy.. see, this is the part where I get stuck. How is it bashing him to say what he was doing but not a bash to say it about JS?

I never tried to bash him. I just tried to find out what could have caused his disappearance. Christine could have. We know that. She is alive and able to stick up for herself. But just because we can say things about people.. does that mean that we should? Some of the things.. like her looks, saying that the son wasn't Nicholas' because of his eye color and all that stuff had nothing to do with whether she killed her husband or not. That was when I got twittered about it. Cause it seemed like people only wanted to slam on her for the fun of it because they didn't like her personally.

[RainyNiteNTx]

In a way, it seems like he was never raked over the coals because of his profession.....but that's just my thought.

There was another man who mysteriously disappeared and I can't remember his name and his forum dropped off or has been deleted, but his family wrote a letter of support to him - wherever he "is".

I try to read all the threads on the missing forums even if I don't post and I don't find anyone being put through the shredder like Nicholas has been.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Rainy.. see, this is the part where I get stuck. How is it bashing him to say what he was doing but not a bash to say it about JS?

I never tried to bash him. I just tried to find out what could have caused his disappearance. Christine could have. We know that. She is alive and able to stick up for herself. But just because we can say things about people.. does that mean that we should? Some of the things.. like her looks, saying that the son wasn't Nicholas' because of his eye color and all that stuff had nothing to do with whether she killed her husband or not. That was when I got twittered about it. Cause it seemed like people only wanted to slam on her for the fun of it because they didn't like her personally.

No Mystry you have never bashed him. Your goal has always been to shed light on anything that might help with answers. I don't have a problem with the truth about Nicholas. I would just like to know if he is alive or dead. If he is dead then I fear it was something like what happened with JS.

[MystryPhobia]

Mystry - do you remember early on a group of us trying to determine if Nicholas left Christine? You came on here and said that some friends of his from his work read the board and were not impressed with what we were saying. At the same time, Christine was blogging labeling us as having "slandering tunnelvision"....and practically screaming that Nicholas would not leave her.

We had been criticized for thinking anything negative about Nicholas, then we were all expected to do an about face and believe everything negative about him. JMO

I do remember what you are talking about and all of that did happen. Put in that context.. I see your point!

People that were around Nicholas definately had a perception of him that he was everything that Christine described. He did come here and read and he refused to join because he was afraid what he might say to people. I do remember feeling offended for him because he was offended that people thought that Nicholas just walked away. In his mind.. it was NOT a possibility.

This same person now thinks that he probably did walk away.. but still wonders...

[Shelby1]

Rainy.. see, this is the part where I get stuck. How is it bashing him to say what he was doing but not a bash to say it about JS?

I never tried to bash him. I just tried to find out what could have caused his disappearance. Christine could have. We know that. She is alive and able to stick up for herself. But just because we can say things about people.. does that mean that we should? Some of the things.. like her looks, saying that the son wasn't Nicholas' because of his eye color and all that stuff had nothing to do with whether she killed her husband or not. That was when I got twittered about it. Cause it seemed like people only wanted to slam on her for the fun of it because they didn't like her personally.

For me, it was the total change of Christine's words about Nicholas. At first he was husband and father of the Century and then, BAM, he was the biggest liar/loser ever. I have never questioned the paternity of the children etc. I have only questioned her actions and words.

I can tell you this. If (God forbid) my husband ever went missing, I'd walk to the ends of the earth and back to find him.

I sure haven't seen that from Christine........

[RainyNiteNTx]

I do remember what you are talking about and all of that did happen. Put in that context.. I see your point!

People that were around Nicholas definately had a perception of him that he was everything that Christine described. He did come here and read and he refused to join because he was afraid what he might say to people. I do remember feeling offended for him because he was offended that people thought that Nicholas just walked away. In his mind.. it was NOT a possibility.

This same person now thinks that he probably did walk away.. but still wonders...

Yes I remember you saying he was very upset at our discussion. Why does he think now he probably walked away? Is it due to some of the secrets that have been revealed about Nicholas?

[Shelby1]

Are you talking about the person who still has the find Nicholas site?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Are you talking about the person who still has the find Nicholas site?

No I don't think so. This was a friend of Mystrys' who worked with Nicholas. He visited the board early on and was very upset when we were trying to determine if everything Christine was telling us about Nicholas was the truth.

[MystryPhobia]

For me, it was the total change of Christine's words about Nicholas. At first he was husband and father of the Century and then, BAM, he was the biggest liar/loser ever. I have never questioned the paternity of the children etc. I have only questioned her actions and words.

I can tell you this. If (God forbid) my husband ever went missing, I'd walk to the ends of the earth and back to find him.

I sure haven't seen that from Christine........

I would too Shelby!

I can't speak for Christine. I always kind of felt that her about face proved that she wasn't involved. Why would she do that and then turn around and divorce him. I think she found out and reacted. That has always been my feeling about it.

[Shelby1]

I would too Shelby!

I can't speak for Christine. I always kind of felt that her about face proved that she wasn't involved. Why would she do that and then turn around and divorce him. I think she found out and reacted. That has always been my feeling about it.

I only have to go on my personal feelings.

If I were in the same situation, I would never insult, degrade, belittle etc. my missing husband......no matter what.

[MystryPhobia]

Yes I remember you saying he was very upset at our discussion. Why does he think now he probably walked away? Is it due to some of the secrets that have been revealed about Nicholas?

You know.. I don't really know exactly why. We haven't talked about it for some time but I think it was just the stuff that was found out that he was doing.

It seemed to me that he was pretty confused about the whole divorce thing tho. He thought the news had the story wrong when he first heard about it.

[Shelby1]

You know.. I don't really know exactly why. We haven't talked about it for some time but I think it was just the stuff that was found out that he was doing.

It seemed to me that he was pretty confused about the whole divorce thing tho. He thought the news had the story wrong when he first heard about it.

In a strange way, it makes me feel better that he was confused about the divorce. Better in the sense that I'm not alone in feeling the way I do about it.

[SilverDove]

I only have to go on my personal feelings.

If I were in the same situation, I would never insult, degrade, belittle etc. my missing husband......no matter what.

You are a better woman then I would have been if I found out my husband had been cheating, lying, and opening secret accounts just before he went missing. Personally I would have put ever last detail of it every where. To me he would have lost every shred of respect that I had for him. Then again I had my ex doing all of it other then the secret account but then again he was letting his new bimbo forge checks on it so I ended up the one with the second account but he knew about it.

[inv]

You are a better woman then I would have been if I found out my husband had been cheating, lying, and opening secret accounts just before he went missing. Personally I would have put ever last detail of it every where. To me he would have lost every shred of respect that I had for him. Then again I had my ex doing all of it other then the secret account but then again he was letting his new bimbo forge checks on it so I ended up the one with the second account but he knew about it.

Hi SilverDove. How are you doing? Seems strange that your account shows you registered on March of this year. You have been posting here longer than than, right?

Anyway, I can't imagine what secrets Nicholas was keeping from Christine, or what his motivation may have been for keeping any secrets. As far as I am aware, we can only go on speculation as to what these secrets were. Perhaps if Christine were to enlighten speculators with some explanation regarding the supposed secrets, we would be able to understand her sudden decision to throw Nicholas under the bus and move straight on with her life without him, or at least without even knowing what happened to him.

[SilverDove]

Hi SilverDove. How are you doing? Seems strange that your account shows you registered on March of this year. You have been posting here longer than than, right?

Anyway, I can't imagine what secrets Nicholas was keeping from Christine, or what his motivation may have been for keeping any secrets. As far as I am aware, we can only go on speculation as to what these secrets were. Perhaps if Christine were to enlighten speculators with some explanation regarding the supposed secrets, we would be able to understand her sudden decision to throw Nicholas under the bus and move straight on with her life without him, or at least without even knowing what happened to him.

Did you miss this? http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

Would appear some don't approve of her having said this much. I'm guessing the LE has the details.

[inv]

Did you miss this? http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

Would appear some don't approve of her having said this much. I'm guessing the LE has the details.

Thnaks SD for the link, however, I am still missing where she states what the secret life involved- specifically. I see that she says he had secret bank accounts. I am not sure how having an untold financial account can be "horrific" as per CF's remarks. Maybe if she would elaborate on what was so "horrific" and "shattering" I would understand.

[shelkobe]

Well I would guess seeing videos of your husband having sex with other individuals would be pretty horrific for someone who valued fidelity.

I was not a big fan of Christine's from the beginning, only because she out herself out there as helpless. However, I do not think she had anything to do with his disappearance. After she found all this stuff I can totally see why she would want to divorce him and move on from the marriage. She still wants to find him though, and I tink that his for their children. They are entitled to know why their father left, and, if it is foul play, to bury him.

[RainyNiteNTx]

You know.. I don't really know exactly why. We haven't talked about it for some time but I think it was just the stuff that was found out that he was doing.

It seemed to me that he was pretty confused about the whole divorce thing tho. He thought the news had the story wrong when he first heard about it.

Do you know if he or any of his coworker friends have now reflected on Nick's last day at work and seen some things in hindsight they didn't see before?

[Cheri_G]

A receipts was found for the AFF site.. it was being paid for by an account that Christine did not know about. We did not get a link to it nor have we seen a copy of the receipt.

It is obvious that his account was a premium membership. For one.. he was posting blogs and stuff which he couldn't do. He was commenting on photos that he wouldn't be able to do.. etc. I think it is safe to say that Christine wasn't going to allow him to pay for it from their joint account.. given that she has lived such a sheltered life!

CF didn't know about the account Nick withdrew the $50 from so it may still be that there was only one account.

I remembered the talk about the receipt and the AFF last login once you mentioned it. So if its Nick's account it sounds like that was the only one he was active on before his disappearance.

I hadn't heard about him writing blogs and commenting on photos. Is that stuff you learned from the people from AFF you talked to? Did any of them say whether their encounters with Nick online or off were more than once? I'm wondering if he had a select group of people he may have gotten to know and hang out with.

If I recall what I read about Scully correctly, he was friends with the couple he had been swinging with and the husband got jealous because he thought the relationship between his wife and Scully had gone beyond what he felt was acceptable.

[Shelby1]

Well I would guess seeing videos of your husband having sex with other individuals would be pretty horrific for someone who valued fidelity.

I was not a big fan of Christine's from the beginning, only because she out herself out there as helpless. However, I do not think she had anything to do with his disappearance. After she found all this stuff I can totally see why she would want to divorce him and move on from the marriage. She still wants to find him though, and I tink that his for their children. They are entitled to know why their father left, and, if it is foul play, to bury him.

Wow, I missed this info, too. Sex videos?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I thought Christine knew he got money out of an account the night he disappeared - wasn't that widely discussed within days of it happening?

I believe it was on her blog or either on Etsy that she said her sweet husband was shielding her from some debt, not that he had numerous accounts. I'm not saying he didn't - I'm just trying to reconcile which accounts everyone is talking about.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Any reports of anyone asked to submit to polygraphs during NF's investigation? TIA

[UndertheRadar]

Thats how I felt too Shelby. I've never seen a missing person forum where the one missing was bashed constantly. I didn't follow the Ray Gricar thread - maybe it was the same way?

Hi RainyNite,

Interesting that you raise this question. I've been following the Gricar case since his disappearance nearly four years ago. Just two days ago, I started a thread on the Gricar board comparing the Mel Wiley case, the Nicholas Francisco case, and the Gricar case. (It's the one called "Walkaway: How Much Evidence is Enough?" if you're interested.)

I haven't followed the NF case in as much detail, but I have read the threads here and on two other forums, as well as quite a few news articles about the NF case.

In the Gricar case, absolutely no evidence of any kind of secret life, double life, porn use, etc. have surfaced in four years. Nor has any evidence of the typical reasons for walkaway (financial pressures, domestic problems, etc.). By all accounts, Ray was dedicated to his job and intended to finish out his final eight months in office as DA, then travel with his girlfriend, enjoying his retirement. He was "toasting" the days till retirement with his gf and planning various trips he'd take with her. By all accounts, he was thoroughly devoted to his daughter who lives on the west coast, talking to her three or four times a week and insisting that his staff put her through to him immediately if she called the office. Even his ex-wife called him a "man of integrity." He was also devoted to his nephews, who lost their father, his brother, to suicide nine years before Ray disappeared. (His brother was bi-polar and not taking his medicine when he committed suicide).

Still, we have some posters and bloggers insisting that "most if not all of the evidence" points to Ray simply up and walking away from his life, with the motivation being to "become a legend" by doing so.

I'm one of the group who sees this as trashing the reputation of a good and honorable man when there's no evidence we know of to demonstrate Ray would ever treat his family this way. (One poster has even said many times he'd "salute" Ray for pulling this off.) He knew what his family had been through when his brother was missing for ten days, and I find it hard to believe he would deliberately inflict such pain on them again, especially to "become a legend."

I became interested in the NF case because LE still considers NF as a missing person despite much suggestion that he had some reasons to walk away from his life. The question of how much evidence it takes, and what kind of evidence it takes, to close the books on a missing persons' case is pretty fascinating.

I don't think it's there yet in the NF case, and I certainly don't think it's there in the Gricar case.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I'm finding your threads here very interesting. Thanks for listening.

[Musterion]

Thnaks SD for the link, however, I am still missing where she states what the secret life involved- specifically. I see that she says he had secret bank accounts. I am not sure how having an untold financial account can be "horrific" as per CF's remarks. Maybe if she would elaborate on what was so "horrific" and "shattering" I would understand.

Hello Inv!

Good to see you back! I hope everything is going well.

If you don't mind, could you remind me why Christine wouldn't do the 48 Hours segment?

You had a connection with that show, IIRC, and generously offered to use your connection for Nicholas' case.

Thanks, Inv!!
IMO
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi Undertheradar....what an insightful post. I wish you had been on board with us for the past year LOL. Its been a rocky case to follow.

There were so many components in this case that kept getting in the way, and IMO the main one was Nicholas' wife blogging. I don't know that any of us had ever seen this type of volleyball match with the wife of a missing spouse.

I have always contended that Nicholas' "secrets" may indeed have something to do with his being gone - whether it be he walked away or he met with foul play. However, I have never agreed that the bad in his life negated every thing good he ever did. As has been pointed out on here numerous times, he fathered three beautiful children, volunteered his time at the church, was a talented and dependable employee, and from all pictures that were posted, seemed to love his children very much. Some will argue to the contrary and this is where we all get stuck the majority of the time.

I will check out the thread you referenced and maybe someday there will be answers for everybody. I appreciate your post.

[Musterion]

Any reports of anyone asked to submit to polygraphs during NF's investigation? TIA

Not to my knowledge, Cuc.

And, if that is correct, I would have to ask why.

IMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Any reports of anyone asked to submit to polygraphs during NF's investigation? TIA

Not that I ever heard about. I know Christine met with a detective to discuss some things, but a polygraph was never mentioned that I recall.

[Musterion]

CF didn't know about the account Nick withdrew the $50 from so it may still be that there was only one account.

I remembered the talk about the receipt and the AFF last login once you mentioned it. So if its Nick's account it sounds like that was the only one he was active on before his disappearance.

I hadn't heard about him writing blogs and commenting on photos. Is that stuff you learned from the people from AFF you talked to? Did any of them say whether their encounters with Nick online or off were more than once? I'm wondering if he had a select group of people he may have gotten to know and hang out with.

If I recall what I read about Scully correctly, he was friends with the couple he had been swinging with and the husband got jealous because he thought the relationship between his wife and Scully had gone beyond what he felt was acceptable.

Hi Cheri,

I am not even 100% positive that LE confirmed that Nicholas withdrew money from a secret account.

I think that that info may have come from Christine to HOH. But, I have never seen it confirmed by LE. And, if I'm wrong, will someone correct me?

Also, to my knowledge, it was never confirmed that Nicholas received or made a phone call on his cell that evening before leaving work. Not confirmed by LE, I should say.

All we really have confirmed by LE is that Detective Holland said, to you, IIRC, that he found the secret life. I don't know if that meant that Christine found something and told the detective and he investigated further. Or, if he really did find it on his own in his investigation.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Not that I ever heard about. I know Christine met with a detective to discuss some things, but a polygraph was never mentioned that I recall.

That baffles my mind, Rainy.

I think they had Christine come into their offices to answer questions, early on in the case. She said something to the effect that the detective made it clear that she was to come alone.

Now, in any missing person's case, if a man's wife goes missing everyone applauds when the man steps up and says that he took a polygraph. Wants to eliminate himself as a suspect so they can look into other possibilities.

Yet, in this strange case, why in the world would LE not require Christine to take one?

Or, maybe they did and we just did not hear about it....

IMO.
M.

[UndertheRadar]

Hi Undertheradar....what an insightful post. I wish you had been on board with us for the past year LOL. Its been a rocky case to follow.

There were so many components in this case that kept getting in the way, and IMO the main one was Nicholas' wife blogging. I don't know that any of us had ever seen this type of volleyball match with the wife of a missing spouse.

I have always contended that Nicholas' "secrets" may indeed have something to do with his being gone - whether it be he walked away or he met with foul play. However, I have never agreed that the bad in his life negated every thing good he ever did. As has been pointed out on here numerous times, he fathered three beautiful children, volunteered his time at the church, was a talented and dependable employee, and from all pictures that were posted, seemed to love his children very much. Some will argue to the contrary and this is where we all get stuck the majority of the time.

I will check out the thread you referenced and maybe someday there will be answers for everybody. I appreciate your post.

LOL, the RG case has kept me more than busy enough, but I find myself getting drawn into this one now! It does share some common elements.

I think you're correct that Nicholas' secret life could have something to do with his disappearance, but from what I've read, it's still impossible to say whether that means he willingly left or whether he got caught up in something that could have led to foul play (as in the Scully case). Hope I'm not confusing facts, since I'm not as thoroughly familiar with NF's situation as with RG.

I also agree with you about the good side of NF's life. Whatever he may have been doing in private/secret, in public his life demonstrated a commitment to family, church, community, etc. I can see that some might argue how his private life would have been a betrayal of that, but was it a negation? I can understand how your board could become divided over that question.

Amazing how passionate we can all become over people we've never met, isn't it? I do hope we can all find answers. Waiting nearly four years in the RG case has certainly taught patience!

Thanks for your response. Don't be surprised if I drop by from time to time now--I hope newcomers are welcome here, even if we need to be brought up to speed on certain aspects of the case.

[BeetlebrowII]

I don't think that ANYTHING can be disregarded when you are looking for a missing person. If Nicholas is alive then there is a very good chance that he does still communicate with people from his old life. Remember his laptop is still missing? The one that he went no where with out! That site was one that he was very active on until right before he disappeared and he had moved on to the B3S site. He may feel safe with some of those people. We have no way of knowing what value it adds. I will leave that to the detectives. BUT.. I will say if someone is talking like that in a chat.. and it is not Nicholas.. they very well could know more about him then we do and LE should talk to them. It's funny how some people want to completely disregard some things and give so much weight to others. You have no way of knowing that Christine "moved on to greener pastures" or wanted to 3 weeks after her husband went missing. That is ridiculous IMO!

This sounds just like the rumor that Christine sold all of Nicholas' stuff at a garage sale right after he went missing. Which, again, was ridiculous. There was a FUNDRAISING garage sale of many people and nothing that Nicholas wouldn't have sold himself, if he were able, was gotten rid of. Most of the items came from other people anyway that wanted to donate the money to help Nicholas' wife and children. But.. nobody wants to hear that part because it doesn't fit into the scandalous ideas that they have regarding it. Those friends, family and neighbors were trying to do something to help in a situation where they felt hopeless. It is a real shame that their good gesture was turned into circumstantial evidence of a murder.. to some.

Please re-read my post. I never said Christine wanted to move on to greener pastures 3 weeks after Nicholas disappeared.

I said Christine was ready to move on.........please note following link

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

[Musterion]

LOL, the RG case has kept me more than busy enough, but I find myself getting drawn into this one now! It does share some common elements.

I think you're correct that Nicholas' secret life could have something to do with his disappearance, but from what I've read, it's still impossible to say whether that means he willingly left or whether he got caught up in something that could have led to foul play (as in the Scully case). Hope I'm not confusing facts, since I'm not as thoroughly familiar with NF's situation as with RG.

I also agree with you about the good side of NF's life. Whatever he may have been doing in private/secret, in public his life demonstrated a commitment to family, church, community, etc. I can see that some might argue how his private life would have been a betrayal of that, but was it a negation? I can understand how your board could become divided over that question.

Amazing how passionate we can all become over people we've never met, isn't it? I do hope we can all find answers. Waiting nearly four years in the RG case has certainly taught patience!

Thanks for your response. Don't be surprised if I drop by from time to time now--I hope newcomers are welcome here, even if we need to be brought up to speed on certain aspects of the case.

Hi UTR!

I hope you come back daily!!

We need to keep this thread alive so that interest doesn't wane and Nicholas is forgotten.

No matter what his life included he deserves to be cared about and found. His actions not condoned, of course, but maybe he needs help. Sometimes I wonder if he is wandering around somewhere with amnesia. It sounds far fetched, I know, but it has happened before. And, from the sounds of it, his life seemed to be very stressful. Maybe he just snapped. Anyway......

I agree with you about RG. I don't believe evidence points to him leaving his life, at all. JMO.

Nice to meet you and your fresh eyes may give us some good food for thought.

M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

UndertheRadar - you are most welcome here - we could use some new blood and perspective when you have the time. :)

[Cury-us Coyote]

UnderTheRadar -

Jump in anytime. New perspectives, fresh eyes, and novel ideas are always appreciated.

For some reason, I am reminded of RG every time I encounter a Mini Cooper regardless of its color.

[RainyNiteNTx]

That baffles my mind, Rainy.

I think they had Christine come into their offices to answer questions, early on in the case. She said something to the effect that the detective made it clear that she was to come alone.

Now, in any missing person's case, if a man's wife goes missing everyone applauds when the man steps up and says that he took a polygraph. Wants to eliminate himself as a suspect so they can look into other possibilities.

Yet, in this strange case, why in the world would LE not require Christine to take one?

Or, maybe they did and we just did not hear about it....

IMO.
M.

I would be very surprised if several people were not given polygraph tests. Christine, the coworker who was the last to see him alive, maybe some AFF folks, others who we might not know about??

On the other missing forums I've read, parents, boyfriends, spouses, friends, cousins, you name it have been polygraphed.

[Cheri_G]

Hi Cheri,

I am not even 100% positive that LE confirmed that Nicholas withdrew money from a secret account.

I think that that info may have come from Christine to HOH. But, I have never seen it confirmed by LE. And, if I'm wrong, will someone correct me?

Also, to my knowledge, it was never confirmed that Nicholas received or made a phone call on his cell that evening before leaving work. Not confirmed by LE, I should say.

All we really have confirmed by LE is that Detective Holland said, to you, IIRC, that he found the secret life. I don't know if that meant that Christine found something and told the detective and he investigated further. Or, if he really did find it on his own in his investigation.

IMO.
M.

Hi Musterion,

I learned the hard way that if you're going to ask Detective Holland a question you better think carefully on the wording otherwise the answer you get may ultimately not shed any light on anything, LOL.

The information about the $50 being withdrawn from a "secret" paypal account and the phone call on Nick's cell phone that afternoon did come from HOH first I believe.

I'd wondered about who had told her and if it was true so I emailed Detective Holland. I had copied him exactly what had been written and he made no corrections or clarifications and simply replied that he was the originator of the info. I took that not only as a confirmation of the info, but also that it was accurately relayed.

[MystryPhobia]

CF didn't know about the account Nick withdrew the $50 from so it may still be that there was only one account.

I remembered the talk about the receipt and the AFF last login once you mentioned it. So if its Nick's account it sounds like that was the only one he was active on before his disappearance.

I hadn't heard about him writing blogs and commenting on photos. Is that stuff you learned from the people from AFF you talked to? Did any of them say whether their encounters with Nick online or off were more than once? I'm wondering if he had a select group of people he may have gotten to know and hang out with.

If I recall what I read about Scully correctly, he was friends with the couple he had been swinging with and the husband got jealous because he thought the relationship between his wife and Scully had gone beyond what he felt was acceptable.


Yes, from what I know.. the wife became pregnant with a child that it was impossible could have been her husband's. The child was born in January. From what I heard that child is JS's.

The blogs and posts are posted somewhere... maybe on RW's site that she has for Nicholas. You know the ones.. where he was talking about meeting up with the group in Kent? The ones to the Mirage person and a few others... all on AFF! It was obvious that he had met up with the Kent group from his posts to them. There were also times when he said he was going to show up but didn't tho.. according to the posts. The ones to the Mirage person and a few others... all on AFF!

[Shelby1]

UndertheRadar - you are most welcome here - we could use some new blood and perspective when you have the time. :)

Yes, we welcome you UndertheRadar!

[shelkobe]

Wow, I missed this info, too. Sex videos?
It's mentioned in a post by someone who casually knew Nicholas, as relayed to him by someone who knew Nicholas and Christine better.

Earlier in this thread someone linked to a message board at a site where Nicholas used to post at, and since I couldn't sleep, I continued reading the thread (mostly concern and idle speculation like we do here, except more succinct replies).

On the latter pages of the thread, this person (username Cinder) posted what they had heard from N&C's friend. I can't quote it since it is from another board, but it can be found here, on p. 30: http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/139785/YH-member-gone-missing?page=30

It's the largest post on that page.

[Leanne Weich]

I would be very surprised if several people were not given polygraph tests. Christine, the coworker who was the last to see him alive, maybe some AFF folks, others who we might not know about??

On the other missing forums I've read, parents, boyfriends, spouses, friends, cousins, you name it have been polygraphed.

Hi Rainy,

Bear in mind that one can't be forced to take a polygraph. Christine may have been asked to take one and refused ... who knows in this very odd case? I still don't believe Nicholas just walked away. I did relate the story of my uncle who walked away when this case first broke and that just felt so different to this case.

I just hope we find out the truth one day.

[Danette44]

Did you miss this? http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

Would appear some don't approve of her having said this much. I'm guessing the LE has the details.

So why is he still on the Missing Person Site? She apparently has moved on - so why have him still missing, I'm sure if his family knows he is alive and living somewhere else that they would of inform LE - like LE said - if he is found and didn't want his where abouts known than LE would of stated that and Case Closed.......hmmm that has happen yet. LE still til this day hasn't verified the "Double Life", he was supposely leading. Nicholas adored his family per friends, pictures all over his office of Christine and Kids, and he walked out knowing he was never to return......and not take one thing but his laptop with him. Doesn't make sense to me - but then I'm just a person on a message board. jmoo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi Rainy,

Bear in mind that one can't be forced to take a polygraph. Christine may have been asked to take one and refused ... who knows in this very odd case? I still don't believe Nicholas just walked away. I did relate the story of my uncle who walked away when this case first broke and that just felt so different to this case.

I just hope we find out the truth one day.

ohhh yeah - I forgot about the pesky little detail called permission. Now I'm interested to know if anyone was asked to take a polygraph and refused.

I also hope one day we find out the whole truth Leanne.

[SilverDove]

So why is he still on the Missing Person Site? She apparently has moved on - so why have him still missing, I'm sure if his family knows he is alive and living somewhere else that they would of inform LE - like LE said - if he is found and didn't want his where abouts known than LE would of stated that and Case Closed.......hmmm that has happen yet. LE still til this day hasn't verified the "Double Life", he was supposely leading. Nicholas adored his family per friends, pictures all over his office of Christine and Kids, and he walked out knowing he was never to return......and not take one thing but his laptop with him. Doesn't make sense to me - but then I'm just a person on a message board. jmoo

Who said anything about Nicholas not still being missing? Her moving on because she found out he was a cheat and a liar has nothing to do with him being missing. Personally after what she seems to have learned I see no reason why she would want to wait for his return. Why would the LE verify his double life? That is up to his family to make known and it would appear that Christine as clearly done that.

Nicholas wouldn't be the first man to walk out on a pregnant wife and children to avoid child support.

While we are at what doesn't make sense why is it that his mother, father and sisters who are his blood haven't done anything other then appear on tv for a few seconds hoping he isn't be persecuted. No, "we are searching for him", no, "we want him home", no, "what has happened to him", just hope he isn't being persecuted. Wonder if they are hiding him so he can't be "persecuted" by Christine for child support.

People seem to follow every little behavior of Christine but the elephant in the room of his blood family not even caring enough to do or say a single word or even lift a finger to find him screams louder then most other things.

Why wouldn't his family say if they knew? Well maybe because she now has a legal court order for support and the information could be ask for to fulfill the court order.

[Musterion]

Who said anything about Nicholas not still being missing? Her moving on because she found out he was a cheat and a liar has nothing to do with him being missing. Personally after what she seems to have learned I see no reason why she would want to wait for his return. Why would the LE verify his double life? That is up to his family to make known and it would appear that Christine as clearly done that.

Nicholas wouldn't be the first man to walk out on a pregnant wife and children to avoid child support.

While we are at what doesn't make sense why is it that his mother, father and sisters who are his blood haven't done anything other then appear on tv for a few seconds hoping he isn't be persecuted. No, "we are searching for him", no, "we want him home", no, "what has happened to him", just hope he isn't being persecuted. Wonder if they are hiding him so he can't be "persecuted" by Christine for child support.

People seem to follow every little behavior of Christine but the elephant in the room of his blood family not even caring enough to do or say a single word or even lift a finger to find him screams louder then most other things.

Why wouldn't his family say if they knew? Well maybe because she now has a legal court order for support and the information could be ask for to fulfill the court order.

Hi SD,

Seeking Truth said that Nicholas wasn't missing anymore. Or, at least, IMO, wanted us to believe that he wasn't missing anymore.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12867501#post12867501

Post#670

"Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not."

I don't think, IMO, that we should deflect from Christine and her behaviours and movements to look at his parents and sisters.

While it may seem odd that they do not appear to be looking, I am sure that they understand that if they know where Nicholas is and have not told LE, they may be breaking the law.

I think the focus needs to and should stay on the spouse of a missing person. That is the way it is in most cases.

JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

Hi SD,

Seeking Truth said that Nicholas wasn't missing anymore. Or, at least, IMO, wanted us to believe that he wasn't missing anymore.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12867501#post12867501

Post#670

"Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not."

I don't think, IMO, that we should deflect from Christine and her behaviours and movements to look at his parents and sisters.

While it may seem odd that they do not appear to be looking, I am sure that they understand that if they know where Nicholas is and have not told LE, they may be breaking the law.

I think the focus needs to and should stay on the spouse of a missing person. That is the way it is in most cases.

JMO.
M.

Will be interesting if the police are following up on this and if they remove him from the list of missing won't it. Wish I could find a way onto the B3 site but it is very very close knit and rather small. Clearly a place where he might be able to post without getting found.

[inv]

Hello Inv!

Good to see you back! I hope everything is going well.

If you don't mind, could you remind me why Christine wouldn't do the 48 Hours segment?

You had a connection with that show, IIRC, and generously offered to use your connection for Nicholas' case.

Thanks, Inv!!
IMO
M.

Hi. I am not sure why she didn't want to participate other than she was already refusing other media interviews due to the amount of backlash she had been seeing following previous interviews.

[UndertheRadar]

Musterion, RainyNite, Cury-us Coyote, Shelby1:

Thanks all for the nice encouragement to post on your board. It's not easy coming into an established group or posting on a case where all the details aren't as familiar as one you've studied for a long time. I have to chuckle at the "fresh eyes" comments. That's been a long-hoped-for element in the RG case for so long! There are so few of us in cyberspace who still try to keep the case alive, and I sense you folks are in the same position, probably recycling a lot of the same ideas and trying desperately to look at them in new ways.

Since I'm not up on all aspects of the NF case, I do have a few questions if anyone has time to answer them.

1) Am I correct in assuming that NF's laptop has not been found?

2) I've read news reports that talk about two possible witness sightings of NF after he disappeared. Have only two sightings been reported, or have I missed others? Have any sightings been confirmed or ruled out? Are the sightings playing any kind significant role in your discussion of the case or in LE's assessment in the case?

3) Were dogs used to try to determine NF's direction of travel after his car was located or his direction of travel from his workplace? If so, were results reported?

TIA.

[MystryPhobia]

Musterion, RainyNite, Cury-us Coyote, Shelby1:

Thanks all for the nice encouragement to post on your board. It's not easy coming into an established group or posting on a case where all the details aren't as familiar as one you've studied for a long time. I have to chuckle at the "fresh eyes" comments. That's been a long-hoped-for element in the RG case for so long! There are so few of us in cyberspace who still try to keep the case alive, and I sense you folks are in the same position, probably recycling a lot of the same ideas and trying desperately to look at them in new ways.

Since I'm not up on all aspects of the NF case, I do have a few questions if anyone has time to answer them.

1) Am I correct in assuming that NF's laptop has not been found?

2) I've read news reports that talk about two possible witness sightings of NF after he disappeared. Have only two sightings been reported, or have I missed others? Have any sightings been confirmed or ruled out? Are the sightings playing any kind significant role in your discussion of the case or in LE's assessment in the case?

3) Were dogs used to try to determine NF's direction of travel after his car was located or his direction of travel from his workplace? If so, were results reported?

TIA.

Hi UndertheRadar and welcome!

I am not one of the posters that you directed this at but I am here so I will add what I know and they can fill in things that I may have forgotten or wasn't correct about.

1. No.. the laptop has never been recovered.
2. There were two "possible" sightings of him. One at a Shell station on Elliot in Seattle on Wednesday night (the night he went missing) and the other was a person at a public storage facility in Burien who claimed to have seen his car! I don't know that we have ever been told whether either of these sightings were anything more that possible.. IIRC There has also been talk that a person that worked at a convenience store in Federal Way.. close to where the car was found.. saw him a few times after he went missing. But.. that was only mentioned on the YH site and I am not sure what to make of it.. if anything.
3. Dogs were used and they turned up nothing as to where he went.

This is everyone's board and new eyes and fresh ideas would be wonderful!

[MystryPhobia]

Hi M, Hi Cheri! LTNS, you know it was my recollection that the officer handled her with kid gloves, she was pregnant. I think it's very possible he was green or a tad green. I also believe that other than this one officer saying there may have been a "secret life" that other than that there is no proof of anything. Not one single person came fwd and said they had been with him; nothing.

Then, this past week when Scully's murderer was finally arrested again they showed Scully at that same pumpkin patch, and i remembered again that photo of Nicholas and wondered, did he go to the same place, did he run in the same circle I dont know. I dont really care. As we've all seen Scully's gf's reaction to his "secret life" she didn't really know much about that aspect of his life, but she loved him NONE THE LESS, and I always felt that this "wifes" reaction, to this man was nothing close to "christian" in the least.

I am going to stand by what I believe and that's that the "story" of the "he is coming home to bake cookies with his daughter" was a lie, and that hopefully for Nicholas's sake LE is still on this, waiting for a break and watching every move that his spouse makes. Switch the gender around and we'd be out front protesting the way Drew's neighbors were and Casey's neighbors were.

His things were sold less than a few months later at a garage sale. She never even paid those two months mortgage and did nothing but plea online, for money, for things, and the "poor woes me" pity pot line. Maybe a green investigator bought that crap but I never did. I still dont. That's my take on it; I'm sticking to it. I am not sure he is alive, if he is I hope one day he feels he can come fwd to be a father if that is what he wants. If he feels that he cannot then I can understand that as well.

He is the victim here, not his spouse.
Kat

I don't know why people keep saying that his stuff was sold after he went missing. I will say it again. There was a fundraising garage sale! Christine contributed some things to this garage sale.. not ANYTHING that Nicholas would have wanted. His friends and neighbors also sold their own stuff at the garage sale.. which made up a majority of what was sold. People are making way more out of this then is reality. And.. this is exactly the reason I get so frustrated. People were trying to help her..

Also.. the investigator was not green or a tad green. He is a 20+ veteran and a lead detective in the major crimes unit. Google his name. He has been involved in many homicide and missing person investigations.

This is how rumors get started!

[MystryPhobia]

Hi M, Hi Cheri! LTNS, you know it was my recollection that the officer handled her with kid gloves, she was pregnant. I think it's very possible he was green or a tad green. I also believe that other than this one officer saying there may have been a "secret life" that other than that there is no proof of anything. Not one single person came fwd and said they had been with him; nothing.

Then, this past week when Scully's murderer was finally arrested again they showed Scully at that same pumpkin patch, and i remembered again that photo of Nicholas and wondered, did he go to the same place, did he run in the same circle I dont know. I dont really care. As we've all seen Scully's gf's reaction to his "secret life" she didn't really know much about that aspect of his life, but she loved him NONE THE LESS, and I always felt that this "wifes" reaction, to this man was nothing close to "christian" in the least.

I am going to stand by what I believe and that's that the "story" of the "he is coming home to bake cookies with his daughter" was a lie, and that hopefully for Nicholas's sake LE is still on this, waiting for a break and watching every move that his spouse makes. Switch the gender around and we'd be out front protesting the way Drew's neighbors were and Casey's neighbors were.

His things were sold less than a few months later at a garage sale. She never even paid those two months mortgage and did nothing but plea online, for money, for things, and the "poor woes me" pity pot line. Maybe a green investigator bought that crap but I never did. I still dont. That's my take on it; I'm sticking to it. I am not sure he is alive, if he is I hope one day he feels he can come fwd to be a father if that is what he wants. If he feels that he cannot then I can understand that as well.

He is the victim here, not his spouse.
Kat

Also you stated that other than that one officer that you believe to be "green" saying the secret life existed.. there is no proof! I thought that was exactly what was needed to verify things. LE confirming it. Det. Holland confirmed this several times to several of us.. that he was the source of the information about the double life. That he discovered it.

1. In an emal to Cheri..

What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation? Discovered by me

2. In an email to someone on Cheri's board..

Did he leave voluntarily? Perhaps. Information has come to light that he was keeping some secrets from his wife, and she has now declined to do any further media interviews.

3. In another email to someone Cheri's board..

I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those. However in many relationships that can be the case, and doesn’t positively validate one theory or another.

Just 3 examples.. there are more but you get the point. Not sure what else needs to be said about the double life. What possible motive would a veteran detective have for lying for Christine? That makes no sense to me.

http://someoneknowsme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2103

[Cheri_G]

I don't know why people keep saying that his stuff was sold after he went missing. I will say it again. There was a fundraising garage sale! Christine contributed some things to this garage sale.. not ANYTHING that Nicholas would have wanted. His friends and neighbors also sold their own stuff at the garage sale.. which made up a majority of what was sold. People are making way more out of this then is reality. And.. this is exactly the reason I get so frustrated. People were trying to help her..

Also.. the investigator was not green or a tad green. He is a 20+ veteran and a lead detective in the major crimes unit. Google his name. He has been involved in many homicide and missing person investigations.

This is how rumors get started!

Hi MP,

I think a lot of people were bothered that things of Nick's would be included in the garage sales at that point for any reason. It seemed to soon to be doing something like that not knowing if he's alive or dead. Not knowing if any of the things may be things the kids might want when they are older as momentos of him.

I don't think anyone can really say with any certainty that what ever items of his that were sold were 'not ANYTHING that Nicholas would have wanted' since we don't know what they were and more to the point, he's missing and wasn't asked if he wanted them or not.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi MP,

I think a lot of people were bothered that things of Nick's would be included in the garage sales at that point for any reason. It seemed to soon to be doing something like that not knowing if he's alive or dead. Not knowing if any of the things may be things the kids might want when they are older as momentos of him.

I don't think anyone can really say with any certainty that what ever items of his that were sold were 'not ANYTHING that Nicholas would have wanted' since we don't know what they were and more to the point, he's missing and wasn't asked if he wanted them or not.

I tend to agree with this. I've really not commented on the garage sale until now because I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I understand what Mystry is saying about kind hearted people wanting to help, and that part is great. I do have a problem with anything of Nicholas' being thrown in because as you state perhaps his children or even his mother would have wanted whatever it was no matter how small or insignificant it might be to Christine. JMO

[Cheri_G]

Also you stated that other than that one officer that you believe to be "green" saying the secret life existed.. there is no proof! I thought that was exactly what was needed to verify things. LE confirming it. Det. Holland confirmed this several times to several of us.. that he was the source of the information about the double life. That he discovered it.

1. In an emal to Cheri..

What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation? Discovered by me

2. In an email to someone on Cheri's board..

Did he leave voluntarily? Perhaps. Information has come to light that he was keeping some secrets from his wife, and she has now declined to do any further media interviews.

3. In another email to someone Cheri's board..

I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those. However in many relationships that can be the case, and doesn’t positively validate one theory or another.

Just 3 examples.. there are more but you get the point. Not sure what else needs to be said about the double life. What possible motive would a veteran detective have for lying for Christine? That makes no sense to me.

http://someoneknowsme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2103

It should probably be noted that only the first email you quote was part of one from Detective Holland. The others were from Sgt. Urquhart.

Also, the term "secret life" or "double life" was never used by Detective Holland. We used those terms in our emails to him and he never corrected us or offered any clarification of what "secrets" were found other than the paypal account.

[Cury-us Coyote]

UnderTheRadar and others with additions and/or corrections

PHONE & LAPTOP -
According to the private search team, NF’s silver razor phone and Macbook 15” Pro Glossy laptop with grey & orange sleeve are missing. Reportedly laptop info distributed to local pawn shops.
According to LE via media reports, no activity on NF’s cell phone, bank accounts, or email accounts since 2/13/08.
According to alleged PI via blogs, the last call on NF’s cell phone occurred at 4:47 PM on 2/13/08.
According to Deputy RC, LE was unable to track pings on NF’s cell phone perhaps the battery was dead or removed.
According to media coverage, T-Mobile voluntarily released NF’s cell phone records.
Note - several alleged NF related online public group posts, flicker pictures, chat room references were removed after discovery; conversely some sites remained. Source of deletions is unclear.

SIGHTINGS -
According to female Publicis co-worker, NF departed Publicis office West 424 2nd Avenue West in Lower Queen Anne, Washington approx 6:10 PM 2/13/08.
According to an alleged PI via blogs, NF withdrew $54 from an unidentified ATM at 6:13PM on Feb 13th (3-4 minutes after he was last seen leaving work). No documents provided. LE released no video surveillance proof or confirmation.
According to search team members, NF sighting @ Shell station on Elliott Avenue Wed night 2/13/08.
According to AMW’s JL, gas station & convenience store surveillance tapes reviewed to id NF and expand timeline. Results unclear and no additional info released.
On Thursday, 2/14/08, search team reported tip/sighting at Burien public storage, sighting dismissed by CF as similar car. No LE comment, afaik.

SEARCH DOGS -
According to KCSO & media video & co-worker search reports, at 10:20 AM on Monday (2/18/08) five days after NF reported missing, NF’s red 1992 Toyota Paseo hatchback found (by Sean last name refused) at Heritage Condominiums in 340th Street Federal Way Washington.
According to LE via media reports, investigation of NF’s car identified no evidence of foul play - unlocked, ignition in tact, no bullets, no blood.
IIRC, media video of search dogs included parking lot setup and deployment. IMO, scent articles (of unknown source) used during rainy weather conditions during late afternoon or early evening.
According to alleged PI via blogs, scent dogs also deployed at Publicis work site, results not shared afaik.
According to message blogs, Francisco maternal family member searched condo area and nearby lake with NF’s pet Labrador.
Oddly, IMO, KCSO allowed private untrained search groups to solicit information from Heritage Condominium residents almost immediately after discovery of car.
all jmho

[Cury-us Coyote]

Not to my knowledge, Cuc.

And, if that is correct, I would have to ask why.

IMO.
M.

According to CF’s alleged posts, CF had one-on-one LE interview Tues 2/21 after visiting with an attorney.
jmo

[Shelby1]

If Nicholas supposedly had these secret bank accounts with money in them, why would there be no activity since he went missing?

[MystryPhobia]

If Nicholas supposedly had these secret bank accounts with money in them, why would there be no activity since he went missing?

It isn't supposed. He did have them. I am not sure that anyone said that they had money in them tho. I don't remember ever reading whether they had any in them or not.. except for the one with the $54 in it that he took out that night.

Good question about why hasn't he used them since he went missing. I think if we knew that.. then we would know what happened to him.

I always found it odd that he would have 2. I have a paypal account.. just for when I buy on ebay and stuff.. granted I don't use it for business or anything.. but I still have the original one that I have always had. Why would someone open another one.. and why paypal? There are plenty of banks around. So, I would assume that it was something related to payments over the web?

[Shelby1]

It isn't supposed. He did have them. I am not sure that anyone said that they had money in them tho. I don't remember ever reading whether they had any in them or not.. except for the one with the $54 in it that he took out that night.

Good question about why hasn't he used them since he went missing. I think if we knew that.. then we would know what happened to him.

I always found it odd that he would have 2. I have a paypal account.. just for when I buy on ebay and stuff.. granted I don't use it for business or anything.. but I still have the original one that I have always had. Why would someone open another one.. and why paypal? There are plenty of banks around. So, I would assume that it was something related to payments over the web?

I guess maybe with PayPal it's safer because you aren't putting any credit card info on any sites......also, it's a bit more "cryptic" on credit card statements..... I don't know.

[MystryPhobia]

UnderTheRadar and others with additions and/or corrections

PHONE & LAPTOP -
According to the private search team, NF’s silver razor phone and Macbook 15” Pro Glossy laptop with grey & orange sleeve are missing. Reportedly laptop info distributed to local pawn shops.
According to LE via media reports, no activity on NF’s cell phone, bank accounts, or email accounts since 2/13/08.
According to alleged PI via blogs, the last call on NF’s cell phone occurred at 4:47 PM on 2/13/08.
According to Deputy RC, LE was unable to track pings on NF’s cell phone perhaps the battery was dead or removed.
According to media coverage, T-Mobile voluntarily released NF’s cell phone records.
Note - several alleged NF related online public group posts, flicker pictures, chat room references were removed after discovery; conversely some sites remained. Source of deletions is unclear.

SIGHTINGS -
According to female Publicis co-worker, NF departed Publicis office West 424 2nd Avenue West in Lower Queen Anne, Washington approx 6:10 PM 2/13/08.
According to an alleged PI via blogs, NF withdrew $54 from an unidentified ATM at 6:13PM on Feb 13th (3-4 minutes after he was last seen leaving work). No documents provided. LE released no video surveillance proof or confirmation.
According to search team members, NF sighting @ Shell station on Elliott Avenue Wed night 2/13/08.
According to AMW’s JL, gas station & convenience store surveillance tapes reviewed to id NF and expand timeline. Results unclear and no additional info released.
On Thursday, 2/14/08, search team reported tip/sighting at Burien public storage, sighting dismissed by CF as similar car. No LE comment, afaik.

SEARCH DOGS -
According to KCSO & media video & co-worker search reports, at 10:20 AM on Monday (2/18/08) five days after NF reported missing, NF’s red 1992 Toyota Paseo hatchback found (by Sean last name refused) at Heritage Condominiums in 340th Street Federal Way Washington.
According to LE via media reports, investigation of NF’s car identified no evidence of foul play - unlocked, ignition in tact, no bullets, no blood.
IIRC, media video of search dogs included parking lot setup and deployment. IMO, scent articles (of unknown source) used during rainy weather conditions during late afternoon or early evening.
According to alleged PI via blogs, scent dogs also deployed at Publicis work site, results not shared afaik.
According to message blogs, Francisco maternal family member searched condo area and nearby lake with NF’s pet Labrador.
Oddly, IMO, KCSO allowed private untrained search groups to solicit information from Heritage Condominium residents almost immediately after discovery of car.
all jmho

I forgot all about them using search dogs at his work.

CUC.. why do you find it odd that search crews were allowed to go out and look for him.. after discovering the car? That happens all the time in missing person cases. I am pretty sure that I remember the KCSO leading these groups of people.

Also.. IIRC it was a family member of Christine's (her step dad.. I think) that took the dog out to look at the lake.

[MystryPhobia]

I guess maybe with PayPal it's safer because you aren't putting any credit card info on any sites......also, it's a bit more "cryptic" on credit card statements..... I don't know.

Well.. we know that she had one as well. Did they share this one? Or was it just hers and he had another? So, were the ones that she didn't know about "secret" or did they just have his and hers and they didn't really think about looking in each others accounts? Like.. maybe he wasn't so much hiding them but he was paid and it went into that account. He didn't have to tell her amounts. She would never know unless she looked. I know on mine.. it goes by my email address. Is that how all of them are? Did he have different email addresses that he was using for them. When I was married to my ex.. he had a paypal account that I never saw. I had one he never saw. We weren't doing anything with them but maybe buying things on ebay but I wouldn't have known if he was stashing money in his. I would have never thought to ask. If I found out that he was.. would I have considered that a secret account he was keeping from me?

Guess I am just thinking out loud. The multiple paypal accounts has always confused me.

[MystryPhobia]

It should probably be noted that only the first email you quote was part of one from Detective Holland. The others were from Sgt. Urquhart.

Also, the term "secret life" or "double life" was never used by Detective Holland. We used those terms in our emails to him and he never corrected us or offered any clarification of what "secrets" were found other than the paypal account.

You are right. Those were the Sgt. I didn't think to look. I have only ever talked to Det. Holland. I never corresponded with Sgt. Urguhart. After reading them again.. why did he say that he was the only source of information regarding the case? Detective Holland was the one investigating it. Sgt. U is the spokesperson for KCSO.

[MystryPhobia]

Hi MP,

I think a lot of people were bothered that things of Nick's would be included in the garage sales at that point for any reason. It seemed to soon to be doing something like that not knowing if he's alive or dead. Not knowing if any of the things may be things the kids might want when they are older as momentos of him.

I don't think anyone can really say with any certainty that what ever items of his that were sold were 'not ANYTHING that Nicholas would have wanted' since we don't know what they were and more to the point, he's missing and wasn't asked if he wanted them or not.

Well.. we have no way of knowing since he isn't here to answer that.

My point has always been that there wasn't a garage sale to get rid of Nicholas' stuff. There was never a garage sale to disregard everything "Nicholas". That just isn't the truth. There was a fundraising garage sale that friends and neighbors put on for Christine and the children. There is no huge conspiracy here to get rid of everything that had to do with him.. to move on to green pastures.. etc etc.. is all I am saying.

Don't you think the people involved in it.. would have also thought it odd.. as well as LE.. if what is being said was true???

[Cheri_G]

You are right. Those were the Sgt. I didn't think to look. I have only ever talked to Det. Holland. I never corresponded with Sgt. Urguhart. After reading them again.. why did he say that he was the only source of information regarding the case? Detective Holland was the one investigating it. Sgt. U is the spokesperson for KCSO.

That came about because Detective Holland joined my board and made a single post instructing us to direct any questions we had to him personally. Somebody saw it, emailed Sgt. Urquhart saying they'd heard there was someone else that should be contacted with questions and what you saw was his response to them.

I don't know why Det. Holland wanted us to contact him rather than Sgt. Urquhart and I don't know if he had told the Sgt. that he had asked us to direct our questions to him.

[MystryPhobia]

That came about because Detective Holland joined my board and made a single post instructing us to direct any questions we had to him personally. Somebody saw it, emailed Sgt. Urquhart saying they'd heard there was someone else that should be contacted with questions and what you saw was his response to them.

I don't know why Det. Holland wanted us to contact him rather than Sgt. Urquhart and I don't know if he had told the Sgt. that he had asked us to direct our questions to him.
Do you know if it was Det. Holland that joined? Not that it would make any sense for someone to go on there and act like him.. just to say to contact him. Just seems strange that he would. He must have really been keeping an eye on the boards and what was being said.

That is interesting. I didn't know that.

[Cheri_G]

Do you know if it was Det. Holland that joined? Not that it would make any sense for someone to go on there and act like him.. just to say to contact him. Just seems strange that he would. He must have really been keeping an eye on the boards and what was being said.

That is interesting. I didn't know that.

LOL, People do all sorts of things that don't make sense online and IRL, but yeah I did confirm that it was really him who made the post. He did tell me at the time he had read several of the boards.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I forgot all about them using search dogs at his work.

CUC.. why do you find it odd that search crews were allowed to go out and look for him.. after discovering the car? That happens all the time in missing person cases. I am pretty sure that I remember the KCSO leading these groups of people.

Also.. IIRC it was a family member of Christine's (her step dad.. I think) that took the dog out to look at the lake.

IMO, it is odd for LE to sublet initial interviews to inexperienced searchers. IF LE thought anyone from Heritage had connections with NF or had observed someone near the car, LE would prefer to be the first to speak with that individual. Isn’t a condo complex considered private property or sometimes posted as a restricted area for solicitors? Without a search warrant, LE could only enter if invited then observe items in broad sight, IMO. In some instances the searchers could be exposed to a dangerous situation.

The activity seems highly irregular or unusual. LE might not endorse it, might urge participants to reconsideration their plans, and might still allow it. Have you ever heard of Texas Equusearch or Carole Sund-Carrington or any other missing person search group to knock on every door in an apartment complex and interview the occupant(s)? It makes my ears perk-up and ask “They did WHAT?”.
jmo

[MystryPhobia]

IMO, it is odd for LE to sublet initial interviews to inexperienced searchers. IF LE thought anyone from Heritage had connections with NF or had observed someone near the car, LE would prefer to be the first to speak with that individual. Isn’t a condo complex considered private property or sometimes posted as a restricted area for solicitors? Without a search warrant, LE could only enter if invited then observe items in broad sight, IMO. In some instances the searchers could be exposed to a dangerous situation.

The activity seems highly irregular or unusual. LE might not endorse it, might urge participants to reconsideration their plans, and might still allow it. Have you ever heard of Texas Equusearch or Carole Sund-Carrington or any other missing person search group to knock on every door in an apartment complex and interview the occupant(s)? It makes my ears perk-up and ask “They did WHAT?”.
jmo


We are not dealing with TES or the Carole Sund-Carrington Foundation. Just people that wanted to help in finding a missing man/neighbor/friend/family member.

I think you are assuming that LE didn't do the initial investigation around the complex... that they left that to searchers. I highly doubt that is what happened.

The make up of the complex made some of the people in the search group believe that some of the residents might be more willing to talk to them and not LE. But.. just as some of the searches stated.. even then several of the residents didn't answer when they knocked.. though it was obvious that they were home.

I do remember that LE was at, at least one of the meet up points for the search. I assume that they gave people instructions but obviously can't control private citizens with free will.

[SeekingTruth]

I tend to agree with this. I've really not commented on the garage sale until now because I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I understand what Mystry is saying about kind hearted people wanting to help, and that part is great. I do have a problem with anything of Nicholas' being thrown in because as you state perhaps his children or even his mother would have wanted whatever it was no matter how small or insignificant it might be to Christine. JMO

Why do you and others assume that things were not kept of Nicholas' for his kids and that his mom and sisters didn't take what they wanted? Why is it assumed that all of Nicholas' things were sold at this garage sale?

Do you or anyone have any proof that things of his were not kept for his kids? Is there proof that his mom or sisters didn't take what they wanted? Is there proof that his things were just tossed out as implied?

In a marriage by Washington State Law everything is co-owned between the husband and wife. It is a common law state. So really if anything was sold or given away it was just as much Christine's as it was Nicholas' according to the law. If Christine did part with some or all of Nicholas' things why would it matter. She divorced him why would she want or need his personal things such as his clothes and shoes?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Why do you and others assume that things were not kept of Nicholas' for his kids and that his mom and sisters didn't take what they wanted? Why is it assumed that all of Nicholas' things were sold at this garage sale?

Do you or anyone have any proof that things of his were not kept for his kids? Is there proof that his mom or sisters didn't take what they wanted? Is there proof that his things were just tossed out as implied?

In a marriage by Washington State Law everything is co-owned between the husband and wife. It is a common law state. So really if anything was sold or given away it was just as much Christine's as it was Nicholas' according to the law. If Christine did part with some or all of Nicholas' things why would it matter. She divorced him why would she want or need his personal things such as his clothes and shoes?

I didn't realize Christine was divorced from Nicholas when the garage sale occured. I guess it comes down to an individual thing. I couldn't give anything of my mothers' away for years after she died and I still have things of hers that I probably should give away, but I won't. I still have a workshirt of my dads and he has been gone for over 20 years - like I said a personal thing. I personally could not sell things of my husbands if he was missing and I had no idea if he was dead or alive. I don't think it has as much to do with the legality of it as it has to do with the morality of it. To each their own.

[SeekingTruth]

I didn't realize Christine was divorced from Nicholas when the garage sale occured. I guess it comes down to an individual thing. I couldn't give anything of my mothers' away for years after she died and I still have things of hers that I probably should give away, but I won't. I still have a workshirt of my dads and he has been gone for over 20 years - like I said a personal thing. I personally could not sell things of my husbands if he was missing and I had no idea if he was dead or alive. I don't think it has as much to do with the legality of it as it has to do with the morality of it. To each their own.

Are you saying you know for a fact that Christine didn't keep something of his for herself or for the kids?

I don't know if Christine was divorced at the time of the garage sale. I don't remember when it occurred. If my memory serves correctly she filed for divorce in may of 2008 and I think the garage sale took place sometime in the summer but I could be wrong.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Are you saying you know for a fact that Christine didn't keep something of his for herself or for the kids?

I don't know if Christine was divorced at the time of the garage sale. I don't remember when it occurred. If my memory serves correctly she filed for divorce in may of 2008 and I think the garage sale took place sometime in the summer but I could be wrong.

I have no idea if she did or didn't. Do you? Unless you are Christine, I doubt you know anymore about the garage sale and what was sold than any of the rest of us. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

We are not dealing with TES or the Carole Sund-Carrington Foundation. Just people that wanted to help in finding a missing man/neighbor/friend/family member.

I think you are assuming that LE didn't do the initial investigation around the complex... that they left that to searchers. I highly doubt that is what happened.

The make up of the complex made some of the people in the search group believe that some of the residents might be more willing to talk to them and not LE. But.. just as some of the searches stated.. even then several of the residents didn't answer when they knocked.. though it was obvious that they were home.

I do remember that LE was at, at least one of the meet up points for the search. I assume that they gave people instructions but obviously can't control private citizens with free will.

The timing of public’s door-to-door search is what I question as an potential exception to normal LE protocol. LE has eight hours before the public search. IF Heritage residents worked, they may not have returned home yet. See timeline below.

2/18/08 Mon 10:30 AM - Heritage Condo resident reported NF’s car
2/18/08 Mon – door-to-door search rescheduled for 2PM @ Heritage Condos later delayed
2/18/08 Mon 6:30PM - search w/Det Jon Holland begin @ Park & Ride Federal Way, bring a flashlight
2/18/08 Mon dusk - NF’s car towed to impound lot
2/19/08 Tues – LE searched wooded area nearby Heritage Condos
2/19/08 Tues – R Francisco visited condo complex parking lot
2/19/08 Tues 3:30 PM – late afternoon search dogs @ Federal Way per Det Jon Holland to link car to specific unit in condo complex
jmo

[SeekingTruth]

I have no idea if she did or didn't. Do you? Unless you are Christine, I doubt you know anymore about the garage sale and what was sold than any of the rest of us. JMO

You are right I have no idea what was sold at the garage sale as I was not there. My point is that people seem to speculate and assume they know what was sold at it and assume Christine did not keep anything of Nicholas'. The only public fact is that there was a multi-family garage sale.

[RainyNiteNTx]

You are right I have no idea what was sold at the garage sale as I was not there. My point is that people seem to speculate and assume they know what was sold at it and assume Christine did not keep anything of Nicholas'. The only public fact is that there was a multi-family garage sale.

(highlight by me)...This is true.

I was not the poster who said that all of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale. Nor was I the poster who said that some things were contributed by Christine, but were not things Nicholas would have wanted. IMO that would be a hard call. Nicholas may have valued something that looked like clutter to Christine.

Of course IF he walked off from his life, then obviously he had no regard for his things and nothing held any sentimental value to him. But if he was murdered, then I would think it would be very hard to sell anything of his. But thats just me.

[Musterion]

Well.. we have no way of knowing since he isn't here to answer that.

My point has always been that there wasn't a garage sale to get rid of Nicholas' stuff. There was never a garage sale to disregard everything "Nicholas". That just isn't the truth. There was a fundraising garage sale that friends and neighbors put on for Christine and the children. There is no huge conspiracy here to get rid of everything that had to do with him.. to move on to green pastures.. etc etc.. is all I am saying.

Don't you think the people involved in it.. would have also thought it odd.. as well as LE.. if what is being said was true???

I think, Mystry, people are suspect of the sale and what you are saying because of where your information may have come from.

We know that you would not give false information. But, unless you were at that garage sale and talked to the neighbours and saw what was there being sold, how do we know that what you were told is accurate?

If you were down there and saw with your own eyes that is one thing, but I don't remember if you went or not. Someone on the board said they were going. Maybe that was you.

Just some thoughts and no reflection of your honesty or not. I know and have found you to be honest to a fault! It is one of the things I admire about you!

JMO.
M.

[Cheri_G]

In order for one to get away with murder, there must be a dead body, and there isn't! IMO

BTW, they do NOT always take things with them when they leave. Some do, and some don't. IMO

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. No body doesn't necessarily mean there was no murder and if there was a murder then I would think that not finding the body would increase the odds of the murderer getting away with it.

[SeattleEddie]

The same goes for all posters here. No one here know that she sold even one thing that belong to Nicholas. IMO :shrug:

You don't know that. You don't know if some posters on this board were at the sale where the provenance of the items was disclosed to them. You don't know if some posters on this board are friends with NF who would know which items were / were not his. You can't make absolute statements with limited information.

[RainyNiteNTx]

If Nicholas supposedly had these secret bank accounts with money in them, why would there be no activity since he went missing?

Shelby - I've been trying to figure this out since you posted this question. I think this is a great question. If they were secret bank accounts and NF thought no one knew about them, and he planned to leave, wouldn't he access them? He would have needed money IMO.

[Shelby1]

Shelby - I've been trying to figure this out since you posted this question. I think this is a great question. If they were secret bank accounts and NF thought no one knew about them, and he planned to leave, wouldn't he access them? He would have needed money IMO.

This is one of the top keys to making me feel like he did not leave on his own.

[Musterion]

Why do you and others assume that things were not kept of Nicholas' for his kids and that his mom and sisters didn't take what they wanted? Why is it assumed that all of Nicholas' things were sold at this garage sale?

Do you or anyone have any proof that things of his were not kept for his kids? Is there proof that his mom or sisters didn't take what they wanted? Is there proof that his things were just tossed out as implied?

In a marriage by Washington State Law everything is co-owned between the husband and wife. It is a common law state. So really if anything was sold or given away it was just as much Christine's as it was Nicholas' according to the law. If Christine did part with some or all of Nicholas' things why would it matter. She divorced him why would she want or need his personal things such as his clothes and shoes?

Most people 'assume', IMO, that many, if not all, of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale because of the actions of Christine from the beginning of the case.

It is HER actions and HER behaviours that cause the negative assumptions.

CF seemed to solicit funds for her living expenses within hours of Nicholas' disappearance.
CF went on more than one BB or website and spoke harshly to readers. For instance, telling them to 'shut up' when it was said that maybe Nicholas left on his own. That did not grant her a lot of empathy.
CF moved quickly after Nicholas went missing.
CF didn't list Nicholas as missing on her MySpace page. Strangers were putting his picture and story up on theirs, but not Christine.
CF put a smiling picture of herself up on her MySpace page along with the status of SINGLE. She wasn't divorced or hadn't even filed at that time. IIRC.
CF divorced a missing man, her children's dad, when she didn't know if he was lying in a ditch decomposing somewhere.
CF had apparent inconsistencies in some of her stories. For instance, the time she reported Nicholas missing. LE never clarified what she claimed, to my knowledge, that she'd called at ten pm. LE, IIRC, said she hadn't called until one a.m.
CF asked, publicly, for a new home that would accept pets. When she got that home, rent free, or close to that, she gave away the family dog.
CF didn't seem to cooperate with posters who were trying to help her get exposure for finding Nicholas by things such as doing a story for 48 Hours.
CF is said to be engaged. Less than a year after Nicholas has been gone.

I listed these because you asked why people assume that all of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale.

This is why, IMO, people believe that it is very possible Nicholas' possessions were sold.

JMO.
M.

[SeekingTruth]

Most people 'assume', IMO, that many, if not all, of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale because of the actions of Christine from the beginning of the case.

It is HER actions and HER behaviours that cause the negative assumptions.

CF seemed to solicit funds for her living expenses within hours of Nicholas' disappearance.
CF went on more than one BB or website and spoke harshly to readers. For instance, telling them to 'shut up' when it was said that maybe Nicholas left on his own. That did not grant her a lot of empathy.
CF moved quickly after Nicholas went missing.
CF didn't list Nicholas as missing on her MySpace page. Strangers were putting his picture and story up on theirs, but not Christine.
CF put a smiling picture of herself up on her MySpace page along with the status of SINGLE. She wasn't divorced or hadn't even filed at that time. IIRC.
CF divorced a missing man, her children's dad, when she didn't know if he was lying in a ditch decomposing somewhere.
CF had apparent inconsistencies in some of her stories. For instance, the time she reported Nicholas missing. LE never clarified what she claimed, to my knowledge, that she'd called at ten pm. LE, IIRC, said she hadn't called until one a.m.
CF asked, publicly, for a new home that would accept pets. When she got that home, rent free, or close to that, she gave away the family dog.
CF didn't seem to cooperate with posters who were trying to help her get exposure for finding Nicholas by things such as doing a story for 48 Hours.
CF is said to be engaged. Less than a year after Nicholas has been gone.

I listed these because you asked why people assume that all of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale.

This is why, IMO, people believe that it is very possible Nicholas' possessions were sold.

JMO.
M.

too bad we don't know why Christine did all of these things you mention. Perhaps she has a good reason that we are not privy too.

[SeattleEddie]

KTee,
Amen, sister. I agree with everything in your excellent post.

[Cury-us Coyote]

This is one of the top keys to making me feel like he did not leave on his own.

Speaking of keys, IIRC reports did NOT include finding NF's car and/or house keys. Was it ever reported if Nicholas' Publicis identification and security entry (?) card key was located? Did NF wear the clip-on or landyard type of card key? TIA

[MystryPhobia]

KTee,
Amen, sister. I agree with everything in your excellent post.
You are kidding, right?

It is so funny to me that someone comes on here and states things as facts that are not facts and people say "Amen, sister" and others come on here and everything they say is picked apart and they are told to produce evidence of everything that they said.

They sun may not be shining in Seattle right now.. but that does not mean that we are in a fog. IMO

[Shelby1]

Speaking of keys, IIRC reports did NOT include finding NF's car and/or house keys. Was it ever reported if Nicholas' Publicis identification and security entry (?) card key was located? Did NF wear the clip-on or landyard type of card key? TIA


On Cheri's site one of Nicholas' co-workers was asked that question. She said that they don't have ID tags, but they do have card keys for after hours and weekends. I don't recall anyone ever reporting that his card key was found.......

[Cury-us Coyote]

On Cheri's site one of Nicholas' co-workers was asked that question. She said that they don't have ID tags, but they do have card keys for after hours and weekends. I don't recall anyone ever reporting that his card key was found.......

Thanks for your response, Shelby1. Any lingering video tape thoughts?

In the KIRO video, CF says she found the evidence on the internet, in emails, in video tapes. On Monday 2/18/08 @ 8:51 PM, CF posted on Etsy she remembered his password and read all NF’s emails. The alleged emails of a “secret life” must be from another platform that went undiscovered until later, IMO. Were the recipients and/or senders of these emails contacted and interviewed? When did the correspondence begin and when was the last contact?

CF used the term video tapes not utube or online videos or youtube videos. Does that sound like actual tape(s) exists? CF did not describe the nature of the video, its/their subject matter, or number of people photographed in the video tapes. IF anyone or anyplace identifiable appeared in the alleged video(s) tapes, were they located? Were the video tapes hidden on the Francisco property and/or laptops (if so what prompted their discovery) or were the tapes submitted by someone else? Was CF or others able to date when the video tapes were filmed? Were the video tapes and emails shared with LE?

Can it be safely concluded none of these contacts led to knowledge of Nicholas’ current whereabouts or associates? Reportedly NF’s case and status is still open. IF Nicholas’ alleged ‘secret life’ is part of his disappearance, did he leave with a new friend or to seek a new friendship?

Wife Says Missing SeaTac Man Led Secret Life
http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html

jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Most people 'assume', IMO, that many, if not all, of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale because of the actions of Christine from the beginning of the case.

It is HER actions and HER behaviours that cause the negative assumptions.

CF seemed to solicit funds for her living expenses within hours of Nicholas' disappearance.
CF went on more than one BB or website and spoke harshly to readers. For instance, telling them to 'shut up' when it was said that maybe Nicholas left on his own. That did not grant her a lot of empathy.
CF moved quickly after Nicholas went missing.
CF didn't list Nicholas as missing on her MySpace page. Strangers were putting his picture and story up on theirs, but not Christine.
CF put a smiling picture of herself up on her MySpace page along with the status of SINGLE. She wasn't divorced or hadn't even filed at that time. IIRC.
CF divorced a missing man, her children's dad, when she didn't know if he was lying in a ditch decomposing somewhere.
CF had apparent inconsistencies in some of her stories. For instance, the time she reported Nicholas missing. LE never clarified what she claimed, to my knowledge, that she'd called at ten pm. LE, IIRC, said she hadn't called until one a.m.
CF asked, publicly, for a new home that would accept pets. When she got that home, rent free, or close to that, she gave away the family dog.
CF didn't seem to cooperate with posters who were trying to help her get exposure for finding Nicholas by things such as doing a story for 48 Hours.
CF is said to be engaged. Less than a year after Nicholas has been gone.

I listed these because you asked why people assume that all of Nicholas' things were sold at the garage sale.

This is why, IMO, people believe that it is very possible Nicholas' possessions were sold.

JMO.
M.

IMO, a portion of CF's reported statements can be measured by other methods to arrive at CF's credibility rating without the aid of LDTs. For instance, CF allegedly paid house payments in advance from donated funds but documents revealed this did not happen.
jmo

[Cheri_G]

IMO, a portion of CF's reported statements can be measured by other methods to arrive at CF's credibility rating without the aid of LDTs. For instance, CF allegedly paid house payments in advance from donated funds but documents revealed this did not happen.
jmo

You're right, and even if everything Nick is accused of is true it doesn't automatically make Christine credible.

[SeekingTruth]

IMO, a portion of CF's reported statements can be measured by other methods to arrive at CF's credibility rating without the aid of LDTs. For instance, CF allegedly paid house payments in advance from donated funds but documents revealed this did not happen.
jmo

Please if you can show me where she said for fact that she DID pay the mortgage that would be a great help. otherwise I recall her stating that she had enough to make the payments but never that she actually did. In other words do you have proof she lied? She didn't lie if she didn't ever say that she HAD paid the mortgage. I know that there is proof the mortgage wasn't paid but is there proof that she said it was?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Please if you can show me where she said for fact that she DID pay the mortgage that would be a great help. otherwise I recall her stating that she had enough to make the payments but never that she actually did. In other words do you have proof she lied? She didn't lie if she didn't ever say that she HAD paid the mortgage. I know that there is proof the mortgage wasn't paid but is there proof that she said it was?

Lengthy post alleged from CF LOOKS LIKE I WILL LOOSE MY HOME-on March 13, 2008 at 10:15 pm Christine Francisco on the supportingchristine wordpress website

If i walk away from the house and avoid foreclosure that will be better for my credit and I could walk away with some of the donation money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills. Bankruptcy would cover our debt that without his paycheck would never be able to be paid off.
…
Yes it is true that Publicis has been maintaining his paycheck but that is why he had a second job, his salary never covered all of our bills. Please know that it is because of your donations that I was able to make my mortgage for March and April. There are still some funds left and will be put to good use. I am praying for three Miracles, Nicholas to be found, Save our home and avoid bankruptcy.

IMO, No check number or photocopy of mortgage receipt provided.
jmo

[SeekingTruth]

Lengthy post alleged from CF LOOKS LIKE I WILL LOOSE MY HOME-on March 13, 2008 at 10:15 pm Christine Francisco on the supportingchristine wordpress website

If i walk away from the house and avoid foreclosure that will be better for my credit and I could walk away with some of the donation money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills. Bankruptcy would cover our debt that without his paycheck would never be able to be paid off.
…
Yes it is true that Publicis has been maintaining his paycheck but that is why he had a second job, his salary never covered all of our bills. Please know that it is because of your donations that I was able to make my mortgage for March and April. There are still some funds left and will be put to good use. I am praying for three Miracles, Nicholas to be found, Save our home and avoid bankruptcy.

IMO, No check number or photocopy of mortgage receipt provided.
jmo

Thank you for finding that. Is it possible she spoke of her intentions but then realized she needed the money to live off of because there would be no way to continue paying the mortgage and saw the money better spent that way? This is just speculation and trying to look at another angle.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Thank you for finding that. Is it possible she spoke of her intentions but then realized she needed the money to live off of because there would be no way to continue paying the mortgage and saw the money better spent that way? This is just speculation and trying to look at another angle.

Yes, it is a possibility that was Christine's original intention but after putting a pencil to it, decided not to do that. We all have to rethink our finances and I don't think anyone would have faulted her for that. However if you notice in the information Cury sent, the post from Christine indicates the payments were already made at the time of her post, i.e. use of the word "was". JMO


because of your donations that I was able to make my mortgage for March and April

[elf999]

Lengthy post alleged from CF LOOKS LIKE I WILL LOOSE MY HOME-on March 13, 2008 at 10:15 pm Christine Francisco on the supportingchristine wordpress website

If i walk away from the house and avoid foreclosure that will be better for my credit and I could walk away with some of the donation money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills. Bankruptcy would cover our debt that without his paycheck would never be able to be paid off.
…
Yes it is true that Publicis has been maintaining his paycheck but that is why he had a second job, his salary never covered all of our bills. Please know that it is because of your donations that I was able to make my mortgage for March and April. There are still some funds left and will be put to good use. I am praying for three Miracles, Nicholas to be found, Save our home and avoid bankruptcy.

IMO, No check number or photocopy of mortgage receipt provided.
jmo

I pay my bills from an online account, and schedule them for payment from my checking account early, usually a couple of weeks before the date when the payments are actually deducted from the account. I always think of them as being paid, though, right after the payments are scheduled, and you'll always hear me say "the bills are paid" even though technically, the money hasn't been withdrawn from my checking account yet. So it's possible she had scheduled her payments, but they hadn't been deducted yet, or even just written out the checks and the checks were still sitting on her desk, waiting to be mailed, when something came up and she realized she had better not pay the mortgage payments, after all, and she then cancelled the payments or tore up the checks.

[SeekingTruth]

I pay my bills from an online account, and schedule them for payment from my checking account early, usually a couple of weeks before the date when the payments are actually deducted from the account. I always think of them as being paid, though, right after the payments are scheduled, and you'll always hear me say "the bills are paid" even though technically, the money hasn't been withdrawn from my checking account yet. So it's possible she had scheduled her payments, but they hadn't been deducted yet, or even just written out the checks and the checks were still sitting on her desk, waiting to be mailed, when something came up and she realized she had better not pay the mortgage payments, after all, and she then cancelled the payments or tore up the checks.

Well said! Quite possible.

[Shelby1]

Sure that's a possible scenario, but why wouldn't she make a statement saying that she changed her mind? Quite a few people donated to her so that she could keep her house. When the donated money didn't go towards what she stated it would, that makes her look less credible imo.

[SeekingTruth]

Sure that's a possible scenario, but why wouldn't she make a statement saying that she changed her mind? Quite a few people donated to her so that she could keep her house. When the donated money didn't go towards what she stated it would, that makes her look less credible imo.

perhaps she didn't want to publicly state everything that she does and why. perhaps she didn't want everyone in the world to know every detail of her finances. perhaps she didn't even think to give details or was advised not too. this is just speculation.

[RainyNiteNTx]

perhaps she didn't want to publicly state everything that she does and why. perhaps she didn't want everyone in the world to know every detail of her finances. perhaps she didn't even think to give details or was advised not too. this is just speculation.

It is obvious from the link Cury provided that she was open about her financial problems. This doesn't include the information she gave out to the Etsy people about Nicholas shielding her from debt, so I don't see how a correction could have hurt anything.:confused:

[Cheri_G]

perhaps she didn't want to publicly state everything that she does and why. perhaps she didn't want everyone in the world to know every detail of her finances. perhaps she didn't even think to give details or was advised not too. this is just speculation.

Read the post again. She goes on about giving the house back to the bank and why its better. She says she paid her bills and the mortgage through April and that she still had donation money left that she would be putting to good use.

Seems to me she is telling everyone in the world about her finances to some extent.

She told people she needed money to pay bills and out of the kindness of their hearts they gave it to her. She tells them she put the money to the use it was intended, but didn't actually do it, and allowed people to believe that she'd done what she said.

That's dishonest as far as I'm concerned and I don't think the credibility problem she created for herself in this instance can be explained away.

[Shelby1]

Rainy and Cheri, you both summed up what I was going to say exactly.

[BeetlebrowII]

I pay my bills from an online account, and schedule them for payment from my checking account early, usually a couple of weeks before the date when the payments are actually deducted from the account. I always think of them as being paid, though, right after the payments are scheduled, and you'll always hear me say "the bills are paid" even though technically, the money hasn't been withdrawn from my checking account yet. So it's possible she had scheduled her payments, but they hadn't been deducted yet, or even just written out the checks and the checks were still sitting on her desk, waiting to be mailed, when something came up and she realized she had better not pay the mortgage payments, after all, and she then cancelled the payments or tore up the checks.

I seem to remember as I know other posters will, Christine said that Nicholas paid all the bills.

[SeekingTruth]

I seem to remember as I know other posters will, Christine said that Nicholas paid all the bills.

If that is correct then it would be very easy for something unexpected to come up or that the bills may have been higher than she thought. When she said she "paid" the mortgage for March and April she really could have just meant that she had enough money to pay or that she had set it aside. Perhaps people are only seeing what they want to see (or read) when it comes to Christine.

[Musterion]

too bad we don't know why Christine did all of these things you mention. Perhaps she has a good reason that we are not privy too.

That could be true. Context might change the view of some of these events.

I can't imagine a good reason, though, for quoting bible scriptures in some places and then telling people who ask questions about Nicholas to 'shut up', and other harsh comments. And never asking for forgiveness for being harsh.

I can't imagine a good reason for putting 'single' on a MySpace page, though, when it is not true. When a missing husband could be dead.

I can't imagine a good reason to say LE was called at 10PM, about Nicholas being missing, when LE said CF had not called until after 1AM.

I can't imagine a good reason for Christine to not do a '48 Hours' segment on Nicholas' disappearance, when she was offered the opportunity.

And, I cannot imagine a good reason for Christine to be marrying so soon after her divorce from Nicholas. That soon of a marriage after a divorce (from a missing man) only sheds more negativity and suspicion on Christine. Not to mention confusion, I am sure, for her and Nicholas' children.

Could Christine be so incredibly misunderstood, ST? Can it always be that it is someone else who is wrong?

There are numerous things that we haven't even mentioned here that seem suspicious. How could one person be so misunderstood?

All IMO.
M.

[Leanne Weich]

Unfortunately real life has got in the way of me keeping up to date properly with this saga. Is Christine getting re-married? Any info. will be much appreciated.

[Cheri_G]

If that is correct then it would be very easy for something unexpected to come up or that the bills may have been higher than she thought. When she said she "paid" the mortgage for March and April she really could have just meant that she had enough money to pay or that she had set it aside. Perhaps people are only seeing what they want to see (or read) when it comes to Christine.

What people are seeing is exactly what Christine wrote.

She says it twice:

'...money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills...'

'...I was able to make my mortgage for March and April.'

Both statements clearly imply the money was paid, not that it was set aside.

She talks about the money that is left. Not the money that will be left after those payments but the money that is left because those payments have been made.

'There are still some funds left and will be put to good use.'

Unless you are arguing that her grasp of the english language is so poor that she can not understand what she has written then I really don't see how anyone can reasonably apply another meaning to it.



quoted statements were made by Christine Francisco on March 13, 2008 at 10:15 pm at supportingchristine.wordpress.com

[RainyNiteNTx]

If that is correct then it would be very easy for something unexpected to come up or that the bills may have been higher than she thought. When she said she "paid" the mortgage for March and April she really could have just meant that she had enough money to pay or that she had set it aside. Perhaps people are only seeing what they want to see (or read) when it comes to Christine. JMO

I disagree. I don't think anyone only wants to see or read something sinister when it comes to Christine. People have been trying to figure out her inconsistancies and actions since Nicholas disappeared to see if it has any bearing on the case. The mortgage is just one of them. People would be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed.

She also stated she was given a place to live rent free where she could keep her dog, but wasn't the dog given away?

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

An amazing thing happened today. A BIG MIRACLE from God! A very kind and generous couple has offered a home to us that exceeds our basic needs all with free rent and we get to keep our dog and cats!!!! It is such a miracle and blessing. Oh what a glorious Lord we faithfully serve!! What loving and selfless hearts this couple has. Thank you will never be enough to express our gratitude.