Nicholas Francisco, 28, Seattle, 2/13/08 - 4/12

[elf999]

JMO

I disagree. I don't think anyone only wants to see or read something sinister when it comes to Christine. People have been trying to figure out her inconsistancies and actions since Nicholas disappeared to see if it has any bearing on the case. The mortgage is just one of them. People would be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed.

She also stated she was given a place to live rent free where she could keep her dog, but wasn't the dog given away?

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Haven't you ever had an animal that you wanted to keep, or thought you could keep, but had to or decided it was best to give away? I don't see it as an inconsistency for Christine to make the statement that she's going to keep the dog and then to give it away, it seems to me, that is just living life...
Life is things change, life is you have intentions that don't work out, life is sometimes you have to or need to give animals away. Christine may have moved in to the new house and any number of things could have happened that made her feel she should get the dog a new home. Maybe the house was smaller, just too small for a dog! Maybe there was no good place to tie him outside there, or he barked too much there and bothered the neighbors. Maybe there were dogs next door and he barked at them constantly where in the old house he was quiet. Or maybe even every time she looked at that dog he reminded her of Nicholas and she just couldn't handle it any more...
To me this is life, not inconsistency. Inconsistencies in a missing persons case would be, to me, where a person tells different stories about major events in their life, where they have been, what they have done, who they have seen or see, that might affect their guilt/innocence in a case.

IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Haven't you ever had an animal that you wanted to keep, or thought you could keep, but had to or decided it was best to give away? I don't see it as an inconsistency for Christine to make the statement that she's going to keep the dog and then to give it away, it seems to me, that is just living life...
Life is things change, life is you have intentions that don't work out, life is sometimes you have to or need to give animals away. Christine may have moved in to the new house and any number of things could have happened that made her feel she should get the dog a new home. Maybe the house was smaller, just too small for a dog! Maybe there was no good place to tie him outside there, or he barked too much there and bothered the neighbors. Maybe there were dogs next door and he barked at them constantly where in the old house he was quiet. Or maybe even every time she looked at that dog he reminded her of Nicholas and she just couldn't handle it any more...
To me this is life, not inconsistency. Inconsistencies in a missing persons case would be, to me, where a person tells different stories about major events in their life, where they have been, what they have done, who they have seen or see, that might affect their guilt/innocence in a case.

IMO

Unless the family rabbit also barked excessively, bothered the neighbors, or reminded CF of Nicholas, there must be another reason to remove him/her from the children. Perhaps life changes are concerning posters - concerns for the Francisco children whose stable environment was altered during an already turbulent time.

IMO, the bottom line is CF’s words can not be trusted unless a second reliable source confirms that statement.
jmo

[elf999]

Unless the family rabbit also barked excessively, bothered the neighbors, or reminded CF of Nicholas, there must be another reason to remove him/her from the children. Perhaps life changes are concerning posters - concerns for the Francisco children whose stable environment was altered during an already turbulent time.

IMO, the bottom line is CF’s words can not be trusted unless a second reliable source confirms that statement.
jmo

I don't know what exactly happened, but after thinking more about it I realized the simple fact that Christine had very little income in the months after Nicholas went missing, so if she gave away one or even all of her family pets it could have just been that she couldn't afford them. She's lucky that she and the kids had a place to live, and food to eat.

I'm not getting involved in any arguments here I'm just a long time lurker and don't understand why people have been so critical of Christine. I wish the best to Christine and her kids, and to Nicholas too, whereever he may be, and hope he is found very soon.
IMO

[Leanne Weich]

I don't know what exactly happened, but after thinking more about it I realized the simple fact that Christine had very little income in the months after Nicholas went missing, so if she gave away one or even all of her family pets it could have just been that she couldn't afford them. She's lucky that she and the kids had a place to live, and food to eat.

I'm not getting involved in any arguments here I'm just a long time lurker and don't understand why people have been so critical of Christine. I wish the best to Christine and her kids, and to Nicholas too, whereever he may be, and hope he is found very soon.
IMO

As a mother, I can't fathom bringing more pain into my children's lives by getting rid of their pets when they've just lost their dad. It just seems, imo, cruel.

[elf999]

As a mother, I can't fathom bringing more pain into my children's lives by getting rid of their pets when they've just lost their dad. It just seems, imo, cruel.

I think I may be bait for argument here, but I will bite one more time..

What does all this have to do with finding Nicholas? Before it was *inconsistent* that she gave away the pets, and now it's *cruel*. If she gives away some or all of her children's pets, what does that mean? That she is a terrible person? And that she then, must have done something to Nicholas?

What I am fairly sure of is that the police have never seen Christine as a suspect, and according to some fairly recent posts on this board, she has never even been given a polygraph. Why? Because she is not a suspect. That is because she has done nothing suspicious!

It's a sad world to me where someone can say something hurtful about another without even really knowing the circumstances of what happened.

To bash/attack/libel/gossip about/criticize/fault find/ a woman with young children, that to me is cruel.

IMO

[Shelby1]

For the millionth time, it's not one single act of Christine that makes her look bad, it's a culmination of a lot of acts. She says one thing, and does another. I'm not going to get an argument with you. No one here is "bashing" or "gossiping" about Christine. You have your opinions. I have mine.

[MystryPhobia]

For the millionth time, it's not one single act of Christine that makes her look bad, it's a culmination of a lot of acts. She says one thing, and does another. I'm not going to get an argument with you. No one here is "bashing" or "gossiping" about Christine. You have your opinions. I have mine.


I think the point being made is.. how is all of this talk bringing us any closer to finding Nicholas?

If you could and others could wrap your feelings and "culmination of a lot of acts." of hers together to make it meaningful as far as finding Nicholas.. great! Lets do that!

Otherwise it just looks like people "bashing" and "gossiping" to some of us!

[RainyNiteNTx]

For the millionth time, it's not one single act of Christine that makes her look bad, it's a culmination of a lot of acts. She says one thing, and does another. I'm not going to get an argument with you. No one here is "bashing" or "gossiping" about Christine. You have your opinions. I have mine.

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You're exactly right, but that seems to be falling on deaf ears.

It is not one single thing, but the entire puzzle piece.

As far as the dog, I can understand if there wasn't enough money to go around, and I certainly do not agree with tying a dog, but the way it sounded from CF's post is that all her needs were being provided for, for both her family and her pets. Obviously it didn't work out.

JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think the point being made is.. how is all of this talk bringing us any closer to finding Nicholas?

If you could and others could wrap your feelings and "culmination of a lot of acts." of hers together to make it meaningful as far as finding Nicholas.. great! Lets do that!

Otherwise it just looks like people "bashing" and "gossiping" to some of us!

Musterion recapped the majority of the inconsistencies and actions by Christine, one being the time that LE was called to report him missing. That to me is meaningful.

[SeattleEddie]

lewd and lascivious speculation about Nicholas notwithstanding.....

[MystryPhobia]

Musterion recapped the majority of the inconsistencies and actions by Christine, one being the time that LE was called to report him missing. That to me is meaningful.

What does that prove tho?

Also.. the person that said that there was only a call at 1am.. was only a spokeperson for KCSO. Not the person or persons that were investigating it. Nobody ever followed up with him to verify that he was correct. I kinda don't think some wanted to know the truth about that first phone call. She was told to wait. So, no report was taken but if someone would follow up on this information they would find this out.

[MystryPhobia]

lewd and lascivious speculation about Nicholas notwithstanding.....
If what Nicholas was doing was lewd and lascivious.. then that was his own doing and not Christine's.. IMO!

It isn't speculation. It has been more than proven.

Why are you so quick to accept everything said about Christine and even Det. Holland being horrible at his job but not able to accept anything to do with Nicholas?

[MystryPhobia]

and beyond all this.. why doesn't someone ask Det. Holland about the secret life again since he is the one that found the information and until he found it and brought it to Christine.. she nor the rest of his family knew anything about it?

Lots of things were found from his cell phone records. How come nobody ever asked him about that?

[Shelby1]

lewd and lascivious speculation about Nicholas notwithstanding.....

Exactly. Why is everyone so quick to judge a missing person who can't speak for himself?

[Shelby1]

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You're exactly right, but that seems to be falling on deaf ears.

It is not one single thing, but the entire puzzle piece.

As far as the dog, I can understand if there wasn't enough money to go around, and I certainly do not agree with tying a dog, but the way it sounded from CF's post is that all her needs were being provided for, for both her family and her pets. Obviously it didn't work out.

JMO

I wonder if the dog reminded her too much of Nicholas? Obviously, we don't know, but like others have said, I think it's kind of sad to get rid of a furry member of the family like that.

[MystryPhobia]

Exactly. Why is everyone so quick to judge a missing person who can't speak for himself?

Who is JUDGING???

Some are trying to find out what happened to him and trying not to judge!

He was meeting men and women for sex. That is a fact. He was into that lifestyle. That lifestyle may have something to do with his disappearance. It has happened before. Not looking at it.. would be.. irresponsible, wouldn't it? If we truly care enough to face the facts of the case and try to find this man?

Because.. contrary to popular belief.. we all have done things that we are not proud of. I honestly feel that if he was living that way then it must have been because he was taking out on his body what he felt inside.. and that is sad.

In my mind.. that makes it even more important that he is found.

IMO.. his sins are no more or less than my own or yours. We are all equal. It is not a matter of judging.. just looking and hoping that something leads to him.

[Musterion]

I think the point being made is.. how is all of this talk bringing us any closer to finding Nicholas?

If you could and others could wrap your feelings and "culmination of a lot of acts." of hers together to make it meaningful as far as finding Nicholas.. great! Lets do that!

Otherwise it just looks like people "bashing" and "gossiping" to some of us!

I think that is what many of us are trying to do. I think people are passionate about their beliefs. That's not a bad thing. For any side. IMO.

In any case of a missing person the first person who is looked at is the spouse. We all know that, I know.

This case is no different.

The meaningful culmination of this spouse's, ex spouse's, acts is exactly why I made a list of partial questionable things done/said by Christine.

Some of those things can be understood by context. Some, IMO, cannot be understood. They seem to me, Mystry, suspicious.

Do I believe Christine is a horrible person? No. Do I think she knows more than she has said? Yes, I do.

I'm trying to have a dialogue with keen minds on this forum, so that, when we put together all of what we are thinking and sensing about Nicholas' disappearance, we might come up with a clue. And that may find him.

To me, this dialogue, about inconsistencies lying within Christine's words and actions, is critical to Nicholas and why he disappeared.

Making it meaningful to Nicholas' disappearance is exactly what I am hoping to do.

If a wife can lie about small things in a missing husband's case when there is no reason to lie at all, it may stand to reason that that wife could be untruthful about other things which concern the missing husband.

I'm referring to my email, last June, to Detective Holland asking him if LE had told Christine to not talk about Nicholas' case. He answered me and said, "No. More likely a personal choice."

I asked Christine about that recently. She said she wasn't lying and hadn't in anything in this case.

Detective Holland is lying? Why?

It just can't be, can it, that so many other people are the ones lying. Other people just misunderstand Christine?

Does it mean Christine killed Nicholas? I don't know. Does it mean Christine knows where Nicholas is? I don't know.

I'm here, on this board, caring about a missing man who seems to have been forgotten about by people who profess to love him. I care about Nicholas, in spite of what he did or didn't do, because he may be somewhere needing help. His body may in some greenbelt, deteriorated. He needs to be found. If he is living it up as an alias, he needs to be confronted and make amends to his little ones.

I'm sorry if whatever I say appears as bashing or gossipy. I've miscommunicated and said things in a way that evidently have come across that way. It is not my intent. My intent, though, is to continue challenging Christine about her words and actions. Looking for answers. For Nicholas and for his children.

We can't get to making the answers meaningful in finding Nicholas unless we ask the questions. We can't make sense of the culmination of those answers unless we ask the questions. It's a process.

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

and beyond all this.. why doesn't someone ask Det. Holland about the secret life again since he is the one that found the information and until he found it and brought it to Christine.. she nor the rest of his family knew anything about it?

Lots of things were found from his cell phone records. How come nobody ever asked him about that?

I did ask him.

His response was, 'if I told it wouldn't be secret, would it?'

Why do you think he wouldn't say? He had just said he hadn't told Christine and her family to not talk about the case. Why would he not confirm what Christine was telling or leaking to everyone?

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

What does that prove tho?

Also.. the person that said that there was only a call at 1am.. was only a spokeperson for KCSO. Not the person or persons that were investigating it. Nobody ever followed up with him to verify that he was correct. I kinda don't think some wanted to know the truth about that first phone call. She was told to wait. So, no report was taken but if someone would follow up on this information they would find this out.

I am wondering why the spokesman for KCSO would misspeak. He made a mistake? Isn't being spokesman for the department mean that he should have all of the details on the case?

Maybe he did make a mistake.

But, again, why would LE be the one who is wrong and Christine be the one who is to be believed?

I'm not trying to frustrate you, my friend Mystry. I am just overwhelmed that someone could be so misunderstood as Christine suggests she is.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

I am wondering why the spokesman for KCSO would misspeak. He made a mistake? Isn't being spokesman for the department mean that he should have all of the details on the case?

Maybe he did make a mistake.

But, again, why would LE be the one who is wrong and Christine be the one who is to be believed?

I'm not trying to frustrate you, my friend Mystry. I am just overwhelmed that someone could be so misunderstood as Christine suggests she is.

JMO.
M.I know you aren't trying to frustrate me Miss M. We just see this differently... these points anyway.

I did email the detective about the phone calls months ago and as far as I remember he didn't elaborate on it except to say the significance of that at this point was lost on him. I took that to mean that since Christine isn't a suspect in his eyes.. why does it matter? The spokesperson also said that Christine wasn't a suspect and that it was a shame that some people had turned on her like that.

Nobody wants to believe this but there were 3 calls that night. 2 from Christine to 911. At 10 she was told to call back in 3 hours if he had not shown up. She called back at 1 am and the call was ended. At 2am the dispatcher called her back and this is when the information about him missing was taken. I don't think it would be hard to give this information directly to him and see if he verifies it.

Then we can put, at least, that point to sleep.

Even through all of our difference of opinions.. I know that we all just want him found.

[MystryPhobia]

I did ask him.

His response was, 'if I told it wouldn't be secret, would it?'

Why do you think he wouldn't say? He had just said he hadn't told Christine and her family to not talk about the case. Why would he not confirm what Christine was telling or leaking to everyone?

JMO.
M.

I think he is worried about Nicholas and doesn't want things coming out about him that would prevent him from wanting to come home.. if he was able.

He has admitted that there was a secret life that he found. Maybe he didn't tell Christine specifically not to talk about stuff but maybe they discussed what would come out of it and the effects of that information coming out.

[MystryPhobia]

M-

Just wanted you to know when I was talking about gossiping and bashing. I was using the words that someone else already said. I was in no way referring to you.

I was just more saying that those words are used when we are talking about Nicholas and his side activities. Lewd and other words are used to describe anyone that dares to say that Nicholas might have been invovled in this behaviour.

It needs to go both ways. If we are willing to put Christine under a microscope and hold her accountable for everything that she has ever said.. then we should do this to all of those closest to him.. as well as Nicholas, himself. It is all equal when we are talking about this person missing.

Everyone knows my feelings about Christine being involved. I don't believe that she was involved with his disappearance. I don't know why. I can't explain it fully. Just a gut feeling that she didn't know anything. I guess for that reason I can kinda see things differently than some. Given what many of us do with our spare time, I think we have learned to look at everything as if it may be telling. But.. not everything has an evil undertone. Some things are just what they are and nothing more.

In my mind alot of the things that you guys are hung up on are things that can be explained away. She was living in the house. She got money donated to her and the children. She had enough to pay the mortgage for a couple of months. She may not have already paid it. Given that she was scared to stay in the home since her husband was missing. Things were coming out about his activities. She had no way of knowing who knew where she lived or had keys to her home. She knew that she could not maintain the home that she shared with Nicholas without him there. She had an opportunity to move and to have a place where nobody knew where she lived. She could feel safe. Should she have taken the only income that she had and paid on a mortgage for a home that she was going to lose and wouldn't even be living in? Or keep the money to take care of the children? What is so wrong with her doing that? Isn't that just what the money was for? I could totally see myself doing the same way to keep my children safe from the unknown!

I have no explanation for why she said that she was told not to talk about what was found from the detective. Perhaps it was just a personal choice and instead of saying that she decided to say that she had been asked not to? Or maybe that was her perception. Which seems odd since LE knew that we were searching the secret life stuff and welcomed any information that we could find. So, not sure. But.. I do know that even tho Det. Holland said that he didn't tell her this. He too has not come out and given the information himself.

I totally went off topic. I wanted you to know that I think that you have kept an open mind and always tried to be fair to everyone. I have always known you to be one of the fairest people on these boards.

[Postergeist]

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It's a sad world to me where someone can say something hurtful about another without even really knowing the circumstances of what happened.

To bash/attack/libel/gossip about/criticize/fault find/ a woman with young children, that to me is cruel.

IMO

Sadly, it's a reality for those of us that have followed cases where the media, attorneys, et al have done just that- to the daddy of Jessica Lungsford, to Trenton Duckett's daddy, to Natalee Holloway and her family, to Laci Peterson and her family, to Baby Grace/Riley and her daddy and paternal grandma, to the other now voiceless victims- Maria Lauterbach, Nicole Brown Simpson, Jessie Davis...

and sadly it looks to me that Nicholas Francisco was forever silenced on Feb. 13, 2008. He's been depicted as a Jekyll and Hyde by a few.

The only thing "on record" since then is the ex-wife saying that his daughter still misses him. At least that is one person that a year later has said that (by way of her mother).

However, maybe the family does know more- as there has never been a memorial service reported or any later vigils held to honor his memory or to keep the public aware in his community that he is still missing.

imo

[RainyNiteNTx]

What does that prove tho?

Also.. the person that said that there was only a call at 1am.. was only a spokeperson for KCSO. Not the person or persons that were investigating it. Nobody ever followed up with him to verify that he was correct. I kinda don't think some wanted to know the truth about that first phone call. She was told to wait. So, no report was taken but if someone would follow up on this information they would find this out.


Speaking for myself, I would like to know the timeline of that night including the time the first call was made. How do you know she was told to wait?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Sadly, it's a reality for those of us that have followed cases where the media, attorneys, et al have done just that- to the daddy of Jessica Lungsford, to Trenton Duckett's daddy, to Natalee Holloway and her family, to Laci Peterson and her family, to Baby Grace/Riley and her daddy and paternal grandma, to the other now voiceless victims- Maria Lauterbach, Nicole Brown Simpson, Jessie Davis...

and sadly it looks to me that Nicholas Francisco was forever silenced on Feb. 13, 2008. He's been depicted as a Jekyll and Hyde by a few.

The only thing "on record" since then is the ex-wife saying that his daughter still misses him. At least that is one person that a year later has said that (by way of her mother).

However, maybe the family does know more- as there has never been a memorial service reported or any later vigils held to honor his memory or to keep the public aware in his community that he is still missing.

imo


"at least there is one person that a year later still misses Nicholas".... Of all the people Nicholas knew and all the lives he touched, that is a sad state of affairs, isn't it?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Any updates on the alleged San Diego connection? To whom in KCSO and when was the tip submitted? TIA

[Shelby1]

"at least there is one person that a year later still misses Nicholas".... Of all the people Nicholas knew and all the lives he touched, that is a sad state of affairs, isn't it?
It is sad, Rainy. I truly hope that his family has found peace somehow. For the life of me, I just can't get convinced that he's happy and alive somewhere. I just feel that something bad happened to him and no matter which way I shake it, that's how it comes out in my mind. :sad:

[RainyNiteNTx]

It is sad, Rainy. I truly hope that his family has found peace somehow. For the life of me, I just can't get convinced that he's happy and alive somewhere. I just feel that something bad happened to him and no matter which way I shake it, that's how it comes out in my mind. :sad:

Yep, thats how I feel about it also. It was Christine that did the one year media interview, and no others were done by friends or family stating how Nicholas' sudden mysterious disappearance has impacted their lives. In other missing persons' cases, the family puts up billboards on the anniversary, holds candle light vigils, and strives for national media coverage so the case will be brought to the forefront again. None of that was done. Sad. IMO

[Musterion]

I know you aren't trying to frustrate me Miss M. We just see this differently... these points anyway.

I did email the detective about the phone calls months ago and as far as I remember he didn't elaborate on it except to say the significance of that at this point was lost on him. I took that to mean that since Christine isn't a suspect in his eyes.. why does it matter? The spokesperson also said that Christine wasn't a suspect and that it was a shame that some people had turned on her like that.

Nobody wants to believe this but there were 3 calls that night. 2 from Christine to 911. At 10 she was told to call back in 3 hours if he had not shown up. She called back at 1 am and the call was ended. At 2am the dispatcher called her back and this is when the information about him missing was taken. I don't think it would be hard to give this information directly to him and see if he verifies it.

Then we can put, at least, that point to sleep.

Even through all of our difference of opinions.. I know that we all just want him found.

You're right, M., we do want him found!

I don't find it hard to believe there would have been three calls that night. I understand that could have happened.

What you said just now, though, is interesting. You said the 1 am call was cut off. Why didn't Christine call 911 back right away. You said that the dispatcher called her back, but not for an hour?

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

You're right, M., we do want him found!

I don't find it hard to believe there would have been three calls that night. I understand that could have happened.

What you said just now, though, is interesting. You said the 1 am call was cut off. Why didn't Christine call 911 back right away. You said that the dispatcher called her back, but not for an hour?

JMO.
M.

I didn't mean it was cut off. Just that they ended that call without a report being taken or deputies being dispatched. Then dispatch called her back an hour later. I don't know why tho.

[Musterion]

I know you aren't trying to frustrate me Miss M. We just see this differently... these points anyway.

I did email the detective about the phone calls months ago and as far as I remember he didn't elaborate on it except to say the significance of that at this point was lost on him. I took that to mean that since Christine isn't a suspect in his eyes.. why does it matter? The spokesperson also said that Christine wasn't a suspect and that it was a shame that some people had turned on her like that.

Nobody wants to believe this but there were 3 calls that night. 2 from Christine to 911. At 10 she was told to call back in 3 hours if he had not shown up. She called back at 1 am and the call was ended. At 2am the dispatcher called her back and this is when the information about him missing was taken. I don't think it would be hard to give this information directly to him and see if he verifies it.

Then we can put, at least, that point to sleep.

Even through all of our difference of opinions.. I know that we all just want him found.

Regarding Christine being a suspect.

I reviewed all of LE's statements that I could find concerning this case.

LE has specifically reiterated that they have no evidence that Nicholas left on his own and no evidence that he was the victim of a crime.

The case is still open. LE making a statement that Christine is not a suspect would seem odd to me because of these things. Almost unprofessional, IMO.

If they don't know where Nicholas is and what happened, how would they know that Christine is not a suspect? They don't know where the man is!!! They don't know what happened to him!!

I don't see that language used in their emails: "Suspect"

What I see are very controlled statements. Their statements seem to be worded the way they are for a reason. What would that reason be?

I believe it might be because they are investigating and watching how events unfold.

I believe their language clearly shows somewhat ambiguous responses to questions asked.

Sometimes LE has been known to let persons of interest think that they are not persons of interest. For a reason.

I believe, maybe, this could be what is happening in this case.

Thoughts?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I didn't mean it was cut off. Just that they ended that call without a report being taken or deputies being dispatched. Then dispatch called her back an hour later. I don't know why tho.

You see, my very kind friend, how most everything surrounding Christine causes some sort of chaos or confusion? It seems that nothing is ever just a yes or no. Each and every event that involves Christine is not ever clear cut. Why?

I'll say it again. Is she the most misunderstood person in the world?

She either paid the mortgage or she didn't. She said she did, clearly said it. She either called 911 at ten pm and gave a report or she didn't. She either contacted TES or she didn't. LE either said not to talk about the case or they didn't. She either moved because she was afraid or the bank said she should let the house go. (Yet she publicizes on the internet the weekend she is moving! Fear?!) Which is it?

The list goes on!

????IMO????
M.

[MystryPhobia]

You see, my very kind friend, how most everything surrounding Christine causes some sort of chaos or confusion? It seems that nothing is ever just a yes or no. Each and every event that involves Christine is not ever clear cut. Why?

I'll say it again. Is she the most misunderstood person in the world?

She either paid the mortgage or she didn't. She said she did, clearly said it. She either called 911 at ten pm and gave a report or she didn't. She either contacted TES or she didn't. LE either said not to talk about the case or they didn't. She either moved because she was afraid or the bank said she should let the house go. (Yet she publicizes on the internet the weekend she is moving! Fear?!) Which is it?

The list goes on!

????IMO????
M.I think it is obvious that she didn't pay the mortgage. She didn't give a report at 10pm. I have no idea about TES but I doubt that they would come if there was a chance that he left on his own.. which it seems that LE was leaning to their being good reason to believe he could have. Just because she gave thanks for the home and told people that she was moving (the same people that helped her so much.. so, maybe she felt as if she owed them something) doesn't mean that she wasn't fearful. The bank could have also told her that they would do some kind of short sale or something on the home so that she wasn't responsible for it anymore.

I understand your point that if she lied about these things then what else did she lie about. That is one of the first things that you learn as you start reading these boards and following cases. Someone credibility is everything. She lost credibility with many people. I think it would be almost impossible for her to change that at this point tho.

I offer that perhaps some of the stuff... isn't so much a lie but a change. She planned on doing one thing but because of circumstances.. such as the home that was given to them to use.. her plans changed. Sometimes things are not black and white. With no income coming in and only the money that she had been given by selfless people in her pocket.. you can kind of see why if she wasn't going to be living in the home.. why make the payments. She was going to lose it in the end anyway and that money could go a long way in helping with the children until she was able to secure some income for herself.

Why would she lie about the 3 calls tho? That is easily verified and as far as I know.. has always maintained this story.

[RainyNiteNTx]

if nothing negative about Nicholas had been found?

Would LE be actively investigating this?

Would there be efforts by his family to keep his face and name out in the public?

[Danette44]

Good Morning Everyone -

Hi Rainy - I still wonder why LE hasn't closed the case all together since Christine states he is alive and living a double life. I also see she is using her maiden name now. Or she is on her site, why do people that have loved ones missing or found dead use "skulls" in thier photopockets - amazes me, hers is actually alot of them and hearts.

How some people's minds work in missing cases. JMOO

[Cury-us Coyote]

If anyone has any information that may be helpful in finding Nick please contact the King County Sheriffs Office at (206)296-7528 or you can leave an anonymous tip at the AMW confidential hotline - 1-800-CRIME-TV

[Shelby1]

If anyone has any information that may be helpful in finding Nick please contact the King County Sheriffs Office at (206)296-7528 or you can leave an anonymous tip at the AMW confidential hotline - 1-800-CRIME-TV

Thank you for posting this Cury.

Someone out there knows something. If they would only come forward.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good Morning Everyone -

Hi Rainy - I still wonder why LE hasn't closed the case all together since Christine states he is alive and living a double life. I also see she is using her maiden name now. Or she is on her site, why do people that have loved ones missing or found dead use "skulls" in thier photopockets - amazes me, hers is actually alot of them and hearts.

How some people's minds work in missing cases. JMOO

Hey Danette - where is this with the skulls and hearts? :scared:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Thank you for posting this Cury.

Someone out there knows something. If they would only come forward.

Yes, they do, and the secret life just seems too convenient - it seems to give people excuses for their actions and non actions regarding this case. JMO

[Danette44]

Hey Danette - where is this with the skulls and hearts? :scared:



http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o18/christinefox/

Cute pictures of the little ones....none of baby......

[CaresForKids]

That album appears deleted now. Her store that she's had her "Grand Reopening Soon" announcement since Jan 19 is still closed as well. Could it be the possible negative lashback she received from the etsy community? :scared:

[MystryPhobia]

http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o18/christinefox/

Cute pictures of the little ones....none of baby......


That is not Christine's photobucket account. Those aren't her children. Those aren't her photo's. No offense but this is how rumors get started.

[Danette44]

That is not Christine's photobucket account. Those aren't her children. Those aren't her photo's. No offense but this is how rumors get started.

Wow MP - I got it thru my favorites, it must of been posted somewhere on here before......I'm so sorry, maybe CW can delete it for me.......I will delete it from my favorites......again....sorry

[MystryPhobia]

Wow MP - I got it thru my favorites, it must of been posted somewhere on here before......I'm so sorry, maybe CW can delete it for me.......I will delete it from my favorites......again....sorry

Oh, no.. you don't have to apologize. It happens. Probably was posted somewhere before. That isn't her or her family tho.

[RainyNiteNTx]

That album appears deleted now. Her store that she's had her "Grand Reopening Soon" announcement since Jan 19 is still closed as well. Could it be the possible negative lashback she received from the etsy community? :scared:

Was there negative backlash? I remember a time those poor souls were staying up around the clock to bump a thread. Did that change?

Is Nick's shop still open?

[Shelby1]

Was there negative backlash? I remember a time those poor souls were staying up around the clock to bump a thread. Did that change?

Is Nick's shop still open?

I remember that, too, Rainy. I also remember seeing quite a few Etsy shops who were donating sales to help Christine. :crying:

[CaresForKids]

There was a buzz around the chatrooms when C posted her announcement of her "Grand Reopening". Quite a few were embittered about her near complete disappearance and lack of communication after she got their cash and ran. Some believe an explanation is owed and I do not blame them. Some of them spent sleepless nights in forums keeping vigil over her threads begging for donations while she was off telling others to shut up and asking how she looked on TV bashing Nick with makeup on and quoting cryptic biblical passages.

Last I looked, Nick's store was still there however his listings had finally now expired.

[Musterion]

I know M that you can always be very diplomatic and I always love that in a person when I see it :D I really do believe like I said before that they are watching her and no one has been ruled out in this case.
No One. Especially his wife.

Kat

That's a real compliment coming from you, my friend Kat. Thank you.

I'm glad to see you and miss your thoughts and posts.

I pray that LE has not just let this one go.

M.

[SeattleEddie]

That's correct she did use the public and her pregnancy as a ploy. Maybe some in LE bought it. I'm sorry that in my heart I do feel this is the case, I dont care if he led a "secret life" or not, where the Hell is
Nicholas Francisco?

It's clear if you do a search under things he did like to do with his time, he does show up. I'll leave it to you all, I'm not going to post links any more in his case but I will say this: Nick loved the out doors and he loved to run, and bike.

do a google under nicholas Francisco race results or racing results. He even comes up under a repair shop in PA, which of course we all know he "liked to make things" and this would be a perfect place to hide. It's actually within driving distance for me.
There is online racing, there is actual cancer for mother's day 2008 (may lest I remind anyone) in AB CN that comes up as well as quite a few others.

Is Nick Alive? I do not know. But if he is if he had any steel at all he would at least put an end to the speculation. Which is what bothers me most about his case. Why hasn't he ever came fwd to say, hey that's my art work, those are my photos those are my work, that's my stuff, don't link to it, don't take credit for it, don't use it......etc.

To walk away from one's own art.....as an artist I want to say, impossible.

I guess in my heart I do really think that his spouse is no different than Drew Peterson, and that's where my gut has stayed from the get go in this case. Nothing she has done has led me to believe anything but the worst for his fate. Nothing. The selling of his belongings and the bogus pleas online and on camera? PLEASE. She used her religion, her pregnancy her lack of employment (for whatever reason, you know 2 kids one on the way) and everything she could think of in camera. She is the one person who has slurred this man's reputation. Yes, I will bet you 100K LE is watching her every move. I know I am. Is it out place to "out" Nick if he is alive somewhere? How would you feel if you escaped a horrible situation and were outed? Is that anyone's right?

These are questions that come into play for me in his case, they always have. He is the victim here, and Nicholas is still unaccounted for and
MISSING.

:rose:
Kat

great points, Kat. thanks. (emphasis added) I have no doubt the truth will come out. It may take a while, but we have time. While wife has accused NF of secret life, meanwhile she is living the secret life. Interesting.

[RainyNiteNTx]

There was a buzz around the chatrooms when C posted her announcement of her "Grand Reopening". Quite a few were embittered about her near complete disappearance and lack of communication after she got their cash and ran. Some believe an explanation is owed and I do not blame them. Some of them spent sleepless nights in forums keeping vigil over her threads begging for donations while she was off telling others to shut up and asking how she looked on TV bashing Nick with makeup on and quoting cryptic biblical passages.

Last I looked, Nick's store was still there however his listings had finally now expired.

Does it cost money to keep a store open?

[Shelby1]

great points, Kat. thanks. (emphasis added) I have no doubt the truth will come out. It may take a while, but we have time. While wife has accused NF of secret life, meanwhile she is living the secret life. Interesting.


You're very right. We have all the time in the world.

[MystryPhobia]

great points, Kat. thanks. (emphasis added) I have no doubt the truth will come out. It may take a while, but we have time. While wife has accused NF of secret life, meanwhile she is living the secret life. Interesting.

Do you have a link or something to prove that she is living some secret life??

I pray that the truth comes out sooner rather than later.. this is getting ridiculous.

[MystryPhobia]

You're very right. We have all the time in the world.

We may but I bet his children would really like to know what happened to their daddy!

[CaresForKids]

Does it cost money to keep a store open?

It doesn't cost anything to have an empty store. Listings are 20 cents per item and are up for 90 days. There is no partial refund if your item sells before the 90 days are up. An expired listing is also 20 cents to renew. How Nick's listings stayed up for over a year are beyond me...unless someone was renewing them...:sneaky:

[RainyNiteNTx]

It doesn't cost anything to have an empty store. Listings are 20 cents per item and are up for 90 days. There is no partial refund if your item sells before the 90 days are up. An expired listing is also 20 cents to renew. How Nick's listings stayed up for over a year are beyond me...unless someone was renewing them...:sneaky:

Hmmmm that is interesting. Would it require the person who set it up to renew or could someone else renew for him, i.e. Christine? Or maybe she is the one that set up the listings to begin with?

[RainyNiteNTx]

We may but I bet his children would really like to know what happened to their daddy!

I'm sure they would, but no one seems to be making a full court press to find Nicholas IMO.

[CaresForKids]

Hmmmm that is interesting. Would it require the person who set it up to renew or could someone else renew for him, i.e. Christine? Or maybe she is the one that set up the listings to begin with?

Anyone can set up and maintain the account. If C has the password, she can go in that shop and do whatever she wanted to, including renewing his listings in his absence.

[CaresForKids]

I'm sure they would, but no one seems to be making a full court press to find Nicholas IMO.

Some are forgetting that Nick is missing. Some are falling head over heals for everything and anything C says regarding her sweet husband....errrrr I mean "deviant ex husband". :cursing:

Until I have solid proof her stories are true and even then, if they are, what determines "deviant sexual behavior"...who would I be to judge the man? Whatever his sexual preference, unless it is child molesting or rape, it gives no one any right to kidnap, harm and/or murder him. He deserves to be found, to be able to say "I am safe" and then left alone if he so wanted to be.

[CaresForKids]

OOPS! I meant head over heels!!

[Shelby1]

Some are forgetting that Nick is missing. Some are falling head over heals for everything and anything C says regarding her sweet husband....errrrr I mean "deviant ex husband". :cursing:

Until I have solid proof her stories are true and even then, if they are, what determines "deviant sexual behavior"...who would I be to judge the man? Whatever his sexual preference, unless it is child molesting or rape, it gives no one any right to kidnap, harm and/or murder him. He deserves to be found, to be able to say "I am safe" and then left alone if he so wanted to be.

Oh I'd give you a high five if I could see you in person. Your post is spot on in my book.

[CaresForKids]

I just do not get why this is all about C in her mind!

[Musterion]

Any updates on the alleged San Diego connection? To whom in KCSO and when was the tip submitted? TIA

Hi Cury,

It seems that the locked Nicholas thread is unavailable. Invalid.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...1#post12867501 Post 670

However Post 193 of this thread says in part:

"Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not."

SeekingTruth said that she had turned over the information that Nicholas was in San Diego to LE.

Around the 15th of March, IIRC.

I haven't heard a peep about it from anywhere, anybody since ST dropped that info here and left.

JMO.
M.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Do you have a link or something to prove that she is living some secret life??

I pray that the truth comes out sooner rather than later.. this is getting ridiculous.

Do you have a specific source in mind to release this truth? TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

Hi Cury,

It seems that the locked Nicholas thread is unavailable. Invalid.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...1#post12867501 Post 670

However Post 193 of this thread says in part:

"Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not."

SeekingTruth said that she had turned over the information that Nicholas was in San Diego to LE.

Around the 15th of March, IIRC.

I haven't heard a peep about it from anywhere, anybody since ST dropped that info here and left.

JMO.
M.

Thanks for checking and sharing the information. :seeya:

[CaresForKids]

ST sounds like a plant. :scared:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Regarding Christine being a suspect.

I reviewed all of LE's statements that I could find concerning this case.

LE has specifically reiterated that they have no evidence that Nicholas left on his own and no evidence that he was the victim of a crime.

The case is still open. LE making a statement that Christine is not a suspect would seem odd to me because of these things. Almost unprofessional, IMO.

If they don't know where Nicholas is and what happened, how would they know that Christine is not a suspect? They don't know where the man is!!! They don't know what happened to him!!

I don't see that language used in their emails: "Suspect"

What I see are very controlled statements. Their statements seem to be worded the way they are for a reason. What would that reason be?

I believe it might be because they are investigating and watching how events unfold.

I believe their language clearly shows somewhat ambiguous responses to questions asked.

Sometimes LE has been known to let persons of interest think that they are not persons of interest. For a reason.

I believe, maybe, this could be what is happening in this case.

Thoughts?

IMO.
M.

IIRC, many of NF’s alleged online accounts were closed long before Nicholas’ disappearance. The alleged AFF email respondents referenced meeting during the previous year. Would a missing person’s behavior/event activity from the previous YEAR or the previous DAYS before a disappearance be more impactful? TIA

[SilverDove]

My question is where is his family? His mother, father, sisters? Why haven't they been doing anything to find Nicholas? Why when they had the chance to be on tv they only wanted to say things like they didn't expect to be on tv over something like this and they hoped he wasn't be "persecuted". Never we want him home, we want to find him, we want to know what is happening?

What kind of mother does nothing at all to look for her son? Unless they know he is okay? Unless they don't want anyone to know he might be alive? Maybe so he won't have to pay child support?

If anyone should be looked into about where Nicholas is I believe it is his blood family. I believe they are the ones who know what happened and where he is. They came to Seattle when he went missing but it doesn't seem they were really looking for him. Almost like they already knew he wasn't going to be found.

I think the silence should be deafening.

JMO

[CaresForKids]

SD, I absolutely agree with you. And the silence IS deafening!

I believe his father and Viliamu Fale helped Nick make his "getaway". All too coincidental that Fale, whose wife worked at the Costco Nick never made it to, also disappeared the following day after Nick and that Nick's father couldn't be found for a couple of weeks following Fale's disappearance. However, I still also believe C knows what happened and why and that much of what she is spewing out about Nick is out of pure anger and despise over him leaving her.

[SilverDove]

SD, I absolutely agree with you. And the silence IS deafening!

I believe his father and Viliamu Fale helped Nick make his "getaway". All too coincidental that Fale, whose wife worked at the Costco Nick never made it to, also disappeared the following day after Nick and that Nick's father couldn't be found for a couple of weeks following Fale's disappearance. However, I still also believe C knows what happened and why and that much of what she is spewing out about Nick is out of pure anger and despise over him leaving her.

If she knew why would she still be looking? Why not just give the info to the state for child support collection? No I still believe that Christine has no clue if he is alive other then a hunch and needs to find him. Trust me if I believed my husband had left me when I was pregnant I would have been a lot more angry and would have despised him more then anything I have ever seen out of Christine. I would have been out for blood. Any man who walks away from a pregnant wife and 2 children just isn't a man in my book. I don't care what she had or hadn't done.

JMO

[Musterion]

My question is where is his family? His mother, father, sisters? Why haven't they been doing anything to find Nicholas? Why when they had the chance to be on tv they only wanted to say things like they didn't expect to be on tv over something like this and they hoped he wasn't be "persecuted". Never we want him home, we want to find him, we want to know what is happening?

What kind of mother does nothing at all to look for her son? Unless they know he is okay? Unless they don't want anyone to know he might be alive? Maybe so he won't have to pay child support?

If anyone should be looked into about where Nicholas is I believe it is his blood family. I believe they are the ones who know what happened and where he is. They came to Seattle when he went missing but it doesn't seem they were really looking for him. Almost like they already knew he wasn't going to be found.

I think the silence should be deafening.

JMO

I don't know, SD. On 21 February his mother sounds and looks distraught to me.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/americas-newsroom-where-is-nicholas-francisco/1835309019

I question the 'non' public search of his mother, father and sisters for Nicholas. But, I can't deny the pain in his mother's face and voice here.

JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

I don't know, SD. On 21 February his mother sounds and looks distraught to me.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/americas-newsroom-where-is-nicholas-francisco/1835309019

I question the 'non' public search of his mother, father and sisters for Nicholas. But, I can't deny the pain in his mother's face and voice here.

JMO.
M.

I don't know. She keeps looking to the right, blinking, wiggling around, pauses and closing her eyes. All can be signs of lying. I'm not sure that she isn't just distraught that she has to tell untruths. Also how careful she is with what she says like she is trying hard not to tell an out and out lie. Nothing in her voice seems to me to be strange other then all the pauses not like she is breaking down but as if she is trying to come up with just the right words. (maybe to stay away from an out and out lie?)

Maybe this should be sent to eyes for lies.
JMO

[CaresForKids]

It's possible for C to know what happened and why Nick left but not to know where he is. That would be why she is so angry and still looking for him. That plus she wants what is owed her children, child support.

[CaresForKids]

I thought it an odd choice of words for Rosann to say "I hope they are not persecuting him". Who are "they" and why would they be persecuting him??

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't know. She keeps looking to the right, blinking, wiggling around, pauses and closing her eyes. All can be signs of lying. I'm not sure that she isn't just distraught that she has to tell untruths. Also how careful she is with what she says like she is trying hard not to tell an out and out lie. Nothing in her voice seems to me to be strange other then all the pauses not like she is breaking down but as if she is trying to come up with just the right words. (maybe to stay away from an out and out lie?)

Maybe this should be sent to eyes for lies.
JMO

Would people believe it if Eyes for Lies said Rosann was lying or telling the truth for that matter? People on this board were outraged at what Eyes for Lies said regarding Christine...

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2008/05/christine-francisco.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

SD, I absolutely agree with you. And the silence IS deafening!

I believe his father and Viliamu Fale helped Nick make his "getaway". All too coincidental that Fale, whose wife worked at the Costco Nick never made it to, also disappeared the following day after Nick and that Nick's father couldn't be found for a couple of weeks following Fale's disappearance. However, I still also believe C knows what happened and why and that much of what she is spewing out about Nick is out of pure anger and despise over him leaving her.

IIRC, in addition to the Costco coincidence, Fales and Francisco also shared a common church affiliation. The Fales case was closed and VF’s status is no longer missing. IMO the same LE department investigated both and apparently joint assistance or collusion between NF and VF was ruled out. Perhaps something was overlooked, the same stimulus triggered the reaction/ultimate outcome of both or Costco/MHC are mere coincidences?

Regarding family media appearances, members of NF’s immediate family all appeared at least once and setup vigils but I don’t recall the appearance any of CF’s family although her sister was quoted in print media, IMO. Was CF’s first media appearance supported by LE? Did the national media exposure result from the urging of Etsy members?
jmo

[Shelby1]

IIRC, in addition to the Costco coincidence, Fales and Francisco also shared a common church affiliation. The Fales case was closed and VF’s status is no longer missing. IMO the same LE department investigated both and apparently joint assistance or collusion between NF and VF was ruled out. Perhaps something was overlooked, the same stimulus triggered the reaction/ultimate outcome of both or Costco/MHC are mere coincidences?

Regarding family media appearances, members of NF’s immediate family all appeared at least once and setup vigils but I don’t recall the appearance any of CF’s family although her sister was quoted in print media, IMO. Was CF’s first media appearance supported by LE? Did the national media exposure result from the urging of Etsy members?
jmo

I don't recall seeing any of Christine's family either. At the time, I remember us all discussing how odd that was. There was speculation that they weren't close etc. but nothing was ever proven.

[Musterion]

If she knew why would she still be looking? Why not just give the info to the state for child support collection? No I still believe that Christine has no clue if he is alive other then a hunch and needs to find him. Trust me if I believed my husband had left me when I was pregnant I would have been a lot more angry and would have despised him more then anything I have ever seen out of Christine. I would have been out for blood. Any man who walks away from a pregnant wife and 2 children just isn't a man in my book. I don't care what she had or hadn't done.

JMO

Hi SilverDove,

How do you know that Christine is still looking?

M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't recall seeing any of Christine's family either. At the time, I remember us all discussing how odd that was. There was speculation that they weren't close etc. but nothing was ever proven.

Early on, there was a news article about CF's dad taking the then family dog out to see if the dog could get a scent. So I remember her dad and sister being mentioned.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I don't recall seeing any of Christine's family either. At the time, I remember us all discussing how odd that was. There was speculation that they weren't close etc. but nothing was ever proven.

I’m considering whether KCSO initially thought the resolution probability of NF’s case was best solved with less publicity. NF’s disappearance followed closely on the heels of the T Rider/Ryder situation and its publicity. LE made very few details known publicly; yet IMO LE likely subpoenaed IP addresses, accessed financial records, and perhaps imaged copied CF’s home computer. Scully case observations provide examples of timeframes required to assemble technical aspects before official charges are laid.

IMO media coverage of Fales vs Francisco was vastly different. The CF factor elicited both negative and positive responses. Judging by their public behavior, Nicholas’ family may be more media savvy, or have more real life experience, or accept instruction better. With the passage of time and negative fallout waning, has LE’s opinion changed? Were details the reporter’s shared in the one-year anniversary article and video only items from CF or did KCSO contribute to KIRO coverage?
jmo

[Musterion]

I don't know. She keeps looking to the right, blinking, wiggling around, pauses and closing her eyes. All can be signs of lying. I'm not sure that she isn't just distraught that she has to tell untruths. Also how careful she is with what she says like she is trying hard not to tell an out and out lie. Nothing in her voice seems to me to be strange other then all the pauses not like she is breaking down but as if she is trying to come up with just the right words. (maybe to stay away from an out and out lie?)

Maybe this should be sent to eyes for lies.
JMO

What you are stating may be signs of lying, that is true, IMO.

My understanding of lie detection is to take the context of verbal and non verbal communication along with assessing personality type and determine if there is congruence.

Watching and listening to the video, very closely, Rosann's verbal and non verbal (body language, facial expressions) seem to be congruent. She does not seem to be an overly emotional, excitable person. Maybe phlegmatic and melancholy. These, together, would seem to answer why she pauses, why she closes her eyes, why she isn't breaking down crying, etc.

If we take just the non verbal, as you stated above, it would be almost impossible, IMO, to make an accurate assessment of the truthfulness of Nicholas' mom.

Having said that, in watching the interviews of Christine, her non verbal and verbal along with what appears to be a more sanguine or even choleric personality seems to not be in congruence.

I encourage you to send this in to Eyes for Lies. I think it would be interesting to hear her assessment.

All JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

Hi SilverDove,

How do you know that Christine is still looking?

M.

Well who bothered to do a one year program? His mother? his sister? his father? So to me it would appear that she is the only one who bothered to say anything at all. She didn't even have to do that if she wasn't still looking, unlike his family who I haven't seen do anything.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Well who bothered to do a one year program? His mother? his sister? his father? So to me it would appear that she is the only one who bothered to say anything at all. She didn't even have to do that if she wasn't still looking, unlike his family who I haven't seen do anything.

What exactly is Christine doing to find Nicholas?
How do you know Nick's parents/siblings aren't looking for him?
A one year anniversary program isn't indicative of everything going on behind the scenes IMO.

[CaresForKids]

Well who bothered to do a one year program? His mother? his sister? his father? So to me it would appear that she is the only one who bothered to say anything at all. She didn't even have to do that if she wasn't still looking, unlike his family who I haven't seen do anything.


Who knows if Nick's family was even approached to do a one year update? C didn't have to do the report if she was still looking as well...it works both ways. I was approached to comment on the one year anniversary of my friend's death. He was KIA at a police dept. Because I refused, does that mean I don't care?

While it is true, the family's silence is deafening, it does not prove they were approached and/or refused to comment for the 1 year report. How do we know WHO exactly approached the topic at all? Did C go to the media or did the media come to her? It was all about bashing Nick as it was and I truly hope the reports were accurate (which LE has never stated clearly that they were) as Nick would have some hefty lawsuit for defamation of character if they're not.

[Musterion]

Well who bothered to do a one year program? His mother? his sister? his father? So to me it would appear that she is the only one who bothered to say anything at all. She didn't even have to do that if she wasn't still looking, unlike his family who I haven't seen do anything.

I don't know that they weren't asked and chose not to.

Maybe they choose not to because of the relationship they had and have with Christine.

Maybe they don't speak out because they think Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. If they think that maybe they have been advised to not speak publicly. And maybe they have been advised that because LE might be waiting and watching Christine.

Speculation on my part.

JMO.
M.

[Cheri_G]

Well who bothered to do a one year program? His mother? his sister? his father? So to me it would appear that she is the only one who bothered to say anything at all. She didn't even have to do that if she wasn't still looking, unlike his family who I haven't seen do anything.

Having seen the raw unedited interview, I feel fairly certain that CF's motive for doing the interview had absolutely nothing to do with finding Nick.

[Musterion]

IIRC, in addition to the Costco coincidence, Fales and Francisco also shared a common church affiliation. The Fales case was closed and VF’s status is no longer missing. IMO the same LE department investigated both and apparently joint assistance or collusion between NF and VF was ruled out. Perhaps something was overlooked, the same stimulus triggered the reaction/ultimate outcome of both or Costco/MHC are mere coincidences?

Regarding family media appearances, members of NF’s immediate family all appeared at least once and setup vigils but I don’t recall the appearance any of CF’s family although her sister was quoted in print media, IMO. Was CF’s first media appearance supported by LE? Did the national media exposure result from the urging of Etsy members?
jmo

Hey Cury!

I don't remember the Fale's being MHC members.

That is interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Having seen the raw unedited interview, I feel fairly certain that CF's motive for doing the interview had absolutely nothing to do with finding Nick.

Hi Cheri,

Could you post that link again?

Thanks!
M.

[Cheri_G]

Hi Cheri,

Could you post that link again?

Thanks!
M.


Hi Musterion,

This is the link to the aticle and edited video. I don't think the raw footage is available any more.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

[Shelby1]

Early on, there was a news article about CF's dad taking the then family dog out to see if the dog could get a scent. So I remember her dad and sister being mentioned.

That's right. I had forgotten that. Thanks Rainy!

[Shelby1]

Hi Musterion,

This is the link to the aticle and edited video. I don't think the raw footage is available any more.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

I wish I had thought to save the unedited video. I must be getting rusty in my old age.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Hey Cury!

I don't remember the Fale's being MHC members.

That is interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

IMO.
M.

Many of the original links for VF & ST-F were apparently removed after VF’s case (prompted by alleged police report) was closed and the family requested privacy. Apparently remaining information consists of school sites and forum posts/emails from anonymous individuals. In fairness, alleged references exist to both Presbyterian and MHC affiliations. IMO, no known evidence that VF and NF knew each other.
http://courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=29
jmo

[Musterion]

Hi Musterion,

This is the link to the aticle and edited video. I don't think the raw footage is available any more.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-

Thanks Cheri!

M.

[Musterion]

Many of the original links for VF & ST-F were apparently removed after VF’s case (prompted by alleged police report) was closed and the family requested privacy. Apparently remaining information consists of school sites and forum posts/emails from anonymous individuals. In fairness, alleged references exist to both Presbyterian and MHC affiliations. IMO, no known evidence that VF and NF knew each other.
http://courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=29
jmo

Thank you for this link, Cury. :)

It is interesting to re read the posts.

JMO.
M.

[Maranatha]

Hey Cury!

I don't remember the Fale's being MHC members.

That is interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

IMO.
M.

She didn't read any such thing. :rolleyes: Some peeps want to get a rise and make things up like Fale and NF running off together.

IMO.

[CaresForKids]

I beg to differ Maranatha. Fale's wife had referenced MHC on her now private myspace profile.

[SilverDove]

I beg to differ Maranatha. Fale's wife had referenced MHC on her now private myspace profile.

If this is true I find it really odd that no one on any of the forums every made a not of it. Seems like this would have been a really big deal.
JMO

[MystryPhobia]

I beg to differ Maranatha. Fale's wife had referenced MHC on her now private myspace profile.
Stephanie never referenced anything to do with Mars Hill Chruch in her profile.. unless being christian and praising God is a reference to Mars Hill?

Sorry CaresForKids but that is just not true.. in anyway. I think you must have remembered wrong!

If there is any connection between Nicholas and Viliamu.. that is not it. Not to mention.. Viliamu Fale is no longer a missing person. Nicholas Francisco is.

[CaresForKids]

Sorry MP but you are incorrect. Stephanie DID reference MHC in one of her myspace blogs. Referencing and belonging to the church are way 2 different things. I never said anything about her saying she belonged to the place or that she or her husband ever attended. All I said is she REFERENCED it. And yes I am well aware that Viliamu is no longer missing. What difference does that make? There are still many coincidences between him and Nick and just because he is not missing any longer does not mean he could have helped Nick move away. I never stated this was fact or that it actually happened, I was merely stating my thoughts on the event.

A closed mind will never help to find Nick. :closedeyes:

[SeattleEddie]

Concerted effort:
1. keep MHC out of the picture
2. keep NF "evil doings" in the picture

It starts to make sense.........

[Shelby1]

Concerted effort:
1. keep MHC out of the picture
2. keep NF "evil doings" in the picture

It starts to make sense.........

Yep. You summed it up.

I'd be interested to know if Christine has started attending MHC again.

[CaresForKids]

Concerted effort:
1. keep MHC out of the picture
2. keep NF "evil doings" in the picture

It starts to make sense.........


I shudder to think how they would react if Nick was their son! Even though he's done nothing illegal, whatever happened to "Innocent until proven "guilty""?

[BeetlebrowII]

Stephanie never referenced anything to do with Mars Hill Chruch in her profile.. unless being christian and praising God is a reference to Mars Hill?

Sorry CaresForKids but that is just not true.. in anyway. I think you must have remembered wrong!

If there is any connection between Nicholas and Viliamu.. that is not it. Not to mention.. Viliamu Fale is no longer a missing person. Nicholas Francisco is.

ITA......We agree on something :w00t: Some of us have been here since the beginning and we know what was on her MySpace. I know we tried hard to find a connection but we never found one. I looked at her myspace so many times and also looked at her friends. I did not see MHC referenced once. Maybe we should just move on. :tonguewag:

[CaresForKids]

You mean cover up?

[SilverDove]

I shudder to think how they would react if Nick was their son! Even though he's done nothing illegal, whatever happened to "Innocent until proven "guilty""?

His parents and family does nothing nothing nothing. No web site, no more interviews, no anything. So either they know it is true or they know where he is and don't want to say anything. Well unless they are doing something so secret that no one anywhere knows about it but I find it hard to believe that will help anything.

BTW no one has ever said anything about him being guilty of anything. Just that it looks like he may have been seeing other people when his wife which isn't illegal and leaving his wife.

Are you Nicholas or do you know him? Just wondering since you seem so upset over the fact he may not have been perfect and that very information maybe what is needed to find him.

JMO

[CaresForKids]

Read my other posts SD. I have stated, short of being a child molestor or a rapist, I don't care what sort of sexuality Nick prefers. I just want the lying and secrets to stop and LE to focus on the true victim, who is Nick and find him. I don't care if he doesn't want to come home or to have his new identity released or whatever the case may be. I just want to hear from a reliable source, ie: LE, that they have had contact with him and that he is safe and happy where he is.

[Musterion]

His parents and family does nothing nothing nothing. No web site, no more interviews, no anything. So either they know it is true or they know where he is and don't want to say anything. Well unless they are doing something so secret that no one anywhere knows about it but I find it hard to believe that will help anything.

BTW no one has ever said anything about him being guilty of anything. Just that it looks like he may have been seeing other people when his wife which isn't illegal and leaving his wife.

Are you Nicholas or do you know him? Just wondering since you seem so upset over the fact he may not have been perfect and that very information maybe what is needed to find him.

JMO

Or could it be that LE has asked them to keep quiet?

Christine said that they had asked her to keep quiet. How do you know that they didn't ask Nick's family to do the same thing?

JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

C said she could feel him near water but then added that he could be sipping a margarita on a beach in Mexico.

[CaresForKids]

She sure isn't being quiet now. :rolleyes:

[MystryPhobia]

I have believed, almost from the very beginning, that Nicholas left of his own accord. I don't believe it's necessarily important what type of "secret" lifestyle he was living prior to going missing, except that it would generally be considered high risk and could possibly have led to foul play. Though I don't personally believe that is the case here.

That being said, he could be considered a computer expert and would have known that whatever he put out into the public domain would be accessible to anyone looking.

I have always taken my cue from the family and in this case, they do not seem to be searching physically for a missing or deceased loved one. That tells me they either know where he is or know that he is safe and does not want to be found. Christine is well within her rights to be a woman scorned. She had 2 and nearly 3 babies when she suddenly became a single mom. It is natural instinct to protect and provide for your children and I believe that is exactly what Christine has done.

IMO, LE knows exactly what happened and I can't think of any reason why they would tell anyone involved to keep quiet unless it was an active investigation, which I don't believe it is at this point.

IMHO


I could not agree more Mama. I feel the same way.. although.. I don't agree that LE knows exactly what happened to him. I do believe that based on the investigation.. LE believes that he left on his own. I just don't think that they have made contact with him and can prove it.. so, they are keeping quiet about it. They say it could go either way and then add that there is absolutely no proof that he is dead. Over and over again.. they have said it.

The family silence speaks VOLUMES tho.. IMO. They could be shouting for help or even for justice but instead.. SILENCE.....

[MystryPhobia]

Or could it be that LE has asked them to keep quiet?

Christine said that they had asked her to keep quiet. How do you know that they didn't ask Nick's family to do the same thing?

JMO.
M.

Hi M.. =)

but... I thought that LE said that they never asked her that? Why would they ask the family but not her?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Missing adult cases daunting

A federal law passed during the Clinton administration known as Kristen's Law requires police to report a missing adult when the individual is suspected of being a victim of foul play; however, there is no requirement to file other missing adult cases with the federal agency.
...
Last year, Congress approved spending $40 million a year for the next five years on the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. In contrast, the National Center for Missing Adults has not received federal money since 2005 because funding legislation was allowed to expire, said volunteer Thomas Lauth. He spent 15 years as an investigator for the National Center for Missing Adults and now is one of four volunteers struggling to keep it going.

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090401/NEWS/904010326/-1/NEWSMAP

[RainyNiteNTx]

Read my other posts SD. I have stated, short of being a child molestor or a rapist, I don't care what sort of sexuality Nick prefers. I just want the lying and secrets to stop and LE to focus on the true victim, who is Nick and find him. I don't care if he doesn't want to come home or to have his new identity released or whatever the case may be. I just want to hear from a reliable source, ie: LE, that they have had contact with him and that he is safe and happy where he is.

Every time someone tries to point out that NF is the victim, someone "new" comes along and says "are you Nick - do you know him - why are you concerned about him" blah blah blah.

Last night Nancy Grace was featuring a missing wife, and she was irritated that the husband kept trying to make the case all about him when being interviewed. Yet when CF from the very beginning made it about herself and continues to make it about herself to this day, some people justify it. Hopefully some day, missing men/husbands cases will be viewed and investigated as diligently and seriously as missing women/wives cases are. No matter what the circumstances are.

If LE knew where Nicholas was, they would close the case...period...end of sentence.

JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

His parents and family does nothing nothing nothing. No web site, no more interviews, no anything. So either they know it is true or they know where he is and don't want to say anything. Well unless they are doing something so secret that no one anywhere knows about it but I find it hard to believe that will help anything.

BTW no one has ever said anything about him being guilty of anything. Just that it looks like he may have been seeing other people when his wife which isn't illegal and leaving his wife.

Are you Nicholas or do you know him? Just wondering since you seem so upset over the fact he may not have been perfect and that very information maybe what is needed to find him.

JMO

You might be wrong about that.....(highlight by me)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25120032624

[SeekingTruth]

You might be wrong about that.....(highlight by me)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25120032624

yes that was put up by the family but also notice it has NEVER been updated.

[Musterion]

Hi M.. =)

but... I thought that LE said that they never asked her that? Why would they ask the family but not her?

Good Morning, M.! Where have you been?! :)

You're absolutely right. LE never did ask Christine to not talk about the case. At least that is what the email I received said.

My comment is for Christine. She is the one asking, directly or indirectly. I'm saying to her that if she wasn't fabricating that LE told her to be quiet, perhaps they asked the same of Nick's family. If she's telling the truth then why would it be hard for her to believe they asked the same of Nicholas' family?

It seems she wants to complain that Nick's family is doing nothing so that means they know where he is. It takes the focus off of her and onto them. Good strategy, Christine.

You asked why they would ask the family and not her to not talk about the case. IF LE did, maybe the family thinks Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. Maybe LE is watching Christine and the unfolding events of her actions since 13 February 2008. Maybe LE has given Christine a false sense that they don't suspect her of knowing what happened to Nicholas.

To me that is way more plausible then saying that they don't see Christine as a suspect, especially when they don't know what happened to Nicholas. How in the world could they make statements like that when they say they don't know what happened to him? It would be almost foolish of them, wouldn't it?

The family could believe Nicholas is dead and Christine had everything to do with it. Maybe they're all just waiting.

All speculation and JMO.

M.

[Musterion]

yes that was put up by the family but also notice it has NEVER been updated.

You're right. They forgot to update the part where Christine divorced their brother who may have been murdered and be laying in a ditch decomposing. Or the part where she refused to do a 48 Hours segment to find their loved one. Or the part where Christine was engaged to be married last month.

Maybe someone should email them for all of the updates to be posted.

What in Heaven's name would you expect them to update? There have been no updates about Nicholas and his whereabouts other than what was put out by Christine.

You're the one who gave the information that Nicholas was alive and in San Diego. Where has that lead gone? What is your motive for posting that information? God only knows.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Good Morning, M.! Where have you been?! :)

You're absolutely right. LE never did ask Christine to not talk about the case. At least that is what the email I received said.

My comment is for Christine. She is the one asking, directly or indirectly. I'm saying to her that if she wasn't fabricating that LE told her to be quiet, perhaps they asked the same of Nick's family. If she's telling the truth then why would it be hard for her to believe they asked the same of Nicholas' family?

It seems she wants to complain that Nick's family is doing nothing so that means they know where he is. It takes the focus off of her and onto them. Good strategy, Christine.

You asked why they would ask the family and not her to not talk about the case. IF LE did, maybe the family thinks Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. Maybe LE is watching Christine and the unfolding events of her actions since 13 February 2008. Maybe LE has given Christine a false sense that they don't suspect her of knowing what happened to Nicholas.

To me that is way more plausible then saying that they don't see Christine as a suspect, especially when they don't know what happened to Nicholas. How in the world could they make statements like that when they say they don't know what happened to him? It would be almost foolish of them, wouldn't it?

The family could believe Nicholas is dead and Christine had everything to do with it. Maybe they're all just waiting.

All speculation and JMO.

M.

I am visiting my sister in Reno! =) It is sunny and warm here and not snowing.. like at home!:thumbsup:

You could be right and probably are right about them still keeping an eye on Christine. They may want to give her a false sense of security.. in hopes that she will slip up. Whether they believe that she did something that night or not.. since we all know.. anything is really possible.

I am not so sure that I could stay quiet and basically just let the investigation go where it is going to go.. when it gets there.. if I were in their position. I really feel that their silence speaks loudly as to what they believe or know about Nicholas. If they don't know what happened to him and have not heard from him.. then their being quiet is pretty darn sad IMO. You can understand Christine's stepping back.. there is no excuse for them doing that tho. They should love him unconditionally and fight anyone and everything to find him and bring who ever took him away from them to justice.

[Musterion]

I have believed, almost from the very beginning, that Nicholas left of his own accord. I don't believe it's necessarily important what type of "secret" lifestyle he was living prior to going missing, except that it would generally be considered high risk and could possibly have led to foul play. Though I don't personally believe that is the case here.

That being said, he could be considered a computer expert and would have known that whatever he put out into the public domain would be accessible to anyone looking.

I have always taken my cue from the family and in this case, they do not seem to be searching physically for a missing or deceased loved one. That tells me they either know where he is or know that he is safe and does not want to be found. Christine is well within her rights to be a woman scorned. She had 2 and nearly 3 babies when she suddenly became a single mom. It is natural instinct to protect and provide for your children and I believe that is exactly what Christine has done.

IMO, LE knows exactly what happened and I can't think of any reason why they would tell anyone involved to keep quiet unless it was an active investigation, which I don't believe it is at this point.

IMHO

Hi mama,

The family's silence has been curious.

We don't really know what the relationship was between Christine and her in laws. Maybe they have never liked Christine, maybe they have seen things when they were with Nicholas and Christine that disturbed them of her treatment of him.

Everyone that commented on Nicholas has never said a bad word about him. The consensus has been, from what I've seen, is that Nicholas was a selfless individual who adored his wife and family. He was the one who made everyone laugh. He was the one who brought his wife coffee in bed. He was the one who held two or more jobs so the mother of his children could stay home with them. He is the one who was dependable and solid. He is the one who built a new room onto his house so Christine could have a sewing room for her on line businesses. He is the one who designed labels for her business for a Christmas gift. His mother said he was the type of person who made friends out of enemies. Christine said the same, that if you met him you would love him.

Even the people who came forward from his secret life said he was a nice person.

I haven't found anything anywhere where someone has said a negative thing about him.

A mother and sisters who were close to him and loved him may have viewed a marriage where they felt their son/brother was being taken advantage of and wasn't appreciated.

If they saw things that they felt hurt Nicholas it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that they may very well suspect Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance and believe with all of their hearts that he is dead. They may, along with LE, be waiting and watching.

The silence may be because of that.

It is just another view of why it seems they are silent. And speculation on my part based on what I've seen the last year and what I've been told and my own interactions with people in this case.

It is JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I am visiting my sister in Reno! =) It is sunny and warm here and not snowing.. like at home!:thumbsup:

You could be right and probably are right about them still keeping an eye on Christine. They may want to give her a false sense of security.. in hopes that she will slip up. Whether they believe that she did something that night or not.. since we all know.. anything is really possible.

I am not so sure that I could stay quiet and basically just let the investigation go where it is going to go.. when it gets there.. if I were in their position. I really feel that their silence speaks loudly as to what they believe or know about Nicholas. If they don't know what happened to him and have not heard from him.. then their being quiet is pretty darn sad IMO. You can understand Christine's stepping back.. there is no excuse for them doing that tho. They should love him unconditionally and fight anyone and everything to find him and bring who ever took him away from them to justice.

LOL! It is sooo cold and snowy right now! I'm glad you're there with your sister. Have a wonderful time.

Well, you know what I'm going to say. Maybe.

I don't believe Christine has stepped back. I think there has been strategic timing of information she wants to be in the public and she uses a means of people on message boards to get that out there. Or does it herself.

I just don't see it, after a whole year of watching events unfold, that Christine has been disinterested in trying to influence the thinking of the public.

Why does she care? Why does she do that? Why is it so important to her that people on crime boards think well of her? Why does she take the effort and energy when she has moved on and has a new guy, three kids to take care of, to manipulate information?

That is the question of all questions. Why? Why does she care what we think, Mystry?

JMO.
M.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Concerted effort:
1. keep MHC out of the picture
2. keep NF "evil doings" in the picture

It starts to make sense.........

Isn’t it human nature to look exactly where you are encouraged not to look? IMO, most members of KCSO are human beings.
jmo

[CaresForKids]

yes that was put up by the family but also notice it has NEVER been updated.

What is there to update about NICK?

[SeekingTruth]

What is there to update about NICK?

she never even posted anything on the anniversary to say that they are still looking. nothing has been said at all by his family since the first week he went missing. not one public peep out of them. very very sad.

[CaresForKids]

Sad, maybe. At least they're not slinging C through the mud like she is with Nick. Lord knows they have PLENTY of ammunition. They're just better people for not doing so.

[SilverDove]

You might be wrong about that.....(highlight by me)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25120032624

Oh wow I never realized that did such a wonderful job they set up a web page and never posted anything again. Such love, such concern how could I have missed such an out pouring of concern.

Come on 5 minutes on facebook and you call that doing something? That is about as much as the interview with no information that the mother did for fox.

Christine did a lot more and no one gives her credit.

[MystryPhobia]

Sad, maybe. At least they're not slinging C through the mud like she is with Nick. Lord knows they have PLENTY of ammunition. They're just better people for not doing so.

How do you know that they have plenty of ammunition? How do you know that they don't support Christine? She and the children are mentioned on their facebook page they set up and they are asking for donations for them. How do you know what kind of people they are? Do you know them personally? We literally have a couple of lines of a news clip from his mother and that is it. SO, I am very curious how you feel qualified to say what you have with absolution. As far as I know.. other than his mother.. they have said nothing publically about ANYTHING regarding Nicholas or Christine.

Christine didn't have to drag Nicholas through the mud. We are responsible for that and I for one.. stand behind everything that we found about him. I don't think that it means that he doesn't deserve respect or unconditional love. It just was his life choices. It doesn't take away from the fact that he could be a victim. It also doesn't take away from the fact that he could be the one victimizing.

[Musterion]

More money. I am praying that he is one of the 193 cases.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=151614

[Musterion]

How do you know that they have plenty of ammunition? How do you know that they don't support Christine? She and the children are mentioned on their facebook page they set up and they are asking for donations for them. How do you know what kind of people they are? Do you know them personally? We literally have a couple of lines of a news clip from his mother and that is it. SO, I am very curious how you feel qualified to say what you have with absolution. As far as I know.. other than his mother.. they have said nothing publically about ANYTHING regarding Nicholas or Christine.

Christine didn't have to drag Nicholas through the mud. We are responsible for that and I for one.. stand behind everything that we found about him. I don't think that it means that he doesn't deserve respect or unconditional love. It just was his life choices. It doesn't take away from the fact that he could be a victim. It also doesn't take away from the fact that he could be the one victimizing.

That's the thing, Mystry. You didn't drag him through the mud. You might feel some responsibility for that but it was Christine, somehow, somewhere the trail leads back that way.

And, I'm going to keep asking why. Why is it so important for her to have information come out when she wants it to. Why does she want this board to hear 'her side'. Why in the world is that so important to her? We should be the last thing on Christine's busy mind and busy life.

If you can answer that for me I'd really like to know.

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

she never even posted anything on the anniversary to say that they are still looking. nothing has been said at all by his family since the first week he went missing. not one public peep out of them. very very sad.

Maybe she didn't post that because maybe they aren't looking. Maybe they have information that Nicholas may be dead and have been told to keep quiet until the person who is being watched makes enough mistakes that they have solid evidence.

If you think they know something that you don't, why don't you hire a private investigator to find out what they know? Why don't you get Detective Holland to go question them again. He's never, ever indicated, to my knowledge, that they think Nicholas is alive and aren't saying. And if he does think that then he is the law and he can file obstruction charges on each member of that family. He hasn't done that, though, has he? You said you have an attorney friend, file a suit yourself on Nicholas' family. I'm sure in this day and age there can be something found to sue them for, then you have depositions and they are under oath. You have options, why don't you use them if you really want to know what they know?

JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

How do you know that they have plenty of ammunition? How do you know that they don't support Christine? She and the children are mentioned on their facebook page they set up and they are asking for donations for them. How do you know what kind of people they are? Do you know them personally? We literally have a couple of lines of a news clip from his mother and that is it. SO, I am very curious how you feel qualified to say what you have with absolution. As far as I know.. other than his mother.. they have said nothing publically about ANYTHING regarding Nicholas or Christine.

Christine didn't have to drag Nicholas through the mud. We are responsible for that and I for one.. stand behind everything that we found about him. I don't think that it means that he doesn't deserve respect or unconditional love. It just was his life choices. It doesn't take away from the fact that he could be a victim. It also doesn't take away from the fact that he could be the one victimizing.

And just what makes YOU so qualified to deny anything I say? What makes you so qualified to determine that anything you "found" online is truly owned by Nick? Are you the website owner? Are you LE? Are you a computer hacker who hacked into the website to see his positive identification? How exactly did you determine with "absolution" that anything you found or anything C said was true? You must have some sort of proof positive insider information, right? Otherwise everything you've determined as fact is only mere personal speculation.

[Musterion]

Fascinating read.

http://www.nobodymurdercases.com/index.html

"Attorney Tad Dibiase, who runs the nobodymurdercases.com Web site, has collected nearly 300 examples of U.S. prosecutors who didn’t let the fact that there was no body get in the way of filing murder charges. Debaise says he’s discovered only one case in which the missing “victim” was later found alive."

http://dianedimond.net/no-body-no-trial-no-way/

[MystryPhobia]

And just what makes YOU so qualified to deny anything I say? What makes you so qualified to determine that anything you "found" online is truly owned by Nick? Are you the website owner? Are you LE? Are you a computer hacker who hacked into the website to see his positive identification? How exactly did you determine with "absolution" that anything you found or anything C said was true? You must have some sort of proof positive insider information, right? Otherwise everything you've determined as fact is only mere personal speculation.

Nice try. Trying to turn it on me but not answer one question that I posed to you. Where is your proof?

LE asked us to see what we could find based on what they had already found. I have spoken to people that knew Nicholas. I am personal friends with someone that knew him from work. I have conversed with Christine. You can believe me or not. I really don't care what you believe. All I am saying is that I stand by what I found and am not trying to defame Nicholas in anyway by bringing it forward.

I would really like to know why you think that you can say with absolution that you know how Nicholas' family feels and/or what kind of people that they are???

[SilverDove]

And just what makes YOU so qualified to deny anything I say? What makes you so qualified to determine that anything you "found" online is truly owned by Nick? Are you the website owner? Are you LE? Are you a computer hacker who hacked into the website to see his positive identification? How exactly did you determine with "absolution" that anything you found or anything C said was true? You must have some sort of proof positive insider information, right? Otherwise everything you've determined as fact is only mere personal speculation.

Everything is personal opinion. I have talk to many who have been involved in this case and there is very strong evidence gathered that suggests that Nicholas is also Fun time Steve. I even had a message from someone who gave all of the evidence of being LE because I was talking about the Wet Spot and they said I knew more then the normal board user. Yes all of it could be a set up but really many people don't believe that.

Just because he may have been carrying on affairs on the side isn't illegal and it doesn't make him evil but it may have a great deal to do with the case. Ignoring it just doesn't make sense. It also doesn't mean that he can't also be a nice person. Really if he wasn't a nice person no one would want to go out with him, but at the same time it isn't something a wife would want to find out after he went missing. Christine may have put together the times he was working late, the always having his computer with him and other little things and finally realized that the info very well could be true.

LE has come out and said that many people are accusing Christine of things they (LE) didn't believe to be true but they never said that the things being said about Nicholas wasn't true. I find this personally very telling.

So yes it is all personal opinion just like everything YOU think. Well unless you want to come out and tell us why you suddenly appear and seem to know so much.

JMO

[MystryPhobia]

That's the thing, Mystry. You didn't drag him through the mud. You might feel some responsibility for that but it was Christine, somehow, somewhere the trail leads back that way.

And, I'm going to keep asking why. Why is it so important for her to have information come out when she wants it to. Why does she want this board to hear 'her side'. Why in the world is that so important to her? We should be the last thing on Christine's busy mind and busy life.

If you can answer that for me I'd really like to know.

JMO.
M.

It really could be as simple as her trying to defend herself. It could be that as much as she may want to move on with her life and believes that he left on his own and abandoned them.. the pain feels as if it happened yesterday.

I can not see an instance where I would not do the same thing, if I felt that I was being seen in a way that I felt was unfair. Being accused of things that were not true. That is just me. I would be on here telling everyone exactly what I thought and defending myself.. PERIOD. I am sure some would take that and assume it meant I was guilty of something.. but that wouldn't be the case.

If I believed that my husband had been living a second life and that he probably walked out on my children and I.. while I was pregnant.. I would be more than P'ved off at him and I am not sure what I would do given those circumstances. Especially given the fact that all of his secrets came out in the public eye. There is quite the stigma that goes along with being cheated on.. isn't there? You blame yourself. You question yourself. You beat yourself up. When you are done doing that.. you become angry. It is a natural progression. It is human nature. It is the grieving process. First denial.. then anger.. bargaining.. depression.. acceptance. Hopefully.. we move past the anger and find some peace.. some of us don't tho. Some of us are stuck in the anger and pain for longer than we probably should be. I am sure this process becomes skewed when you have a missing person.

I know of a woman that was cheated on by her husband with an old friend of theirs. She said that she forgave him and he thought they moved on. Until the girl who he cheated with.. who now lived across the country.. emailed him to tell him that she was getting a restraining order against his wife. She had been calling the woman. Leaving threatening messages and sent her boxes of pictures of them that she had been cut out of. You don't get over it just because you want to. If only it was that simple.

That is really the only thing that I can say M. I know how you feel about it and while I don't agree 100%, I see where you are coming from. I just see a different perspective. I would be shouting from the roof tops that I was innocent and I would be telling anyone who would listen my story.

[CaresForKids]

Nice try. Trying to turn it on me but not answer one question that I posed to you. Where is your proof?

LE asked us to see what we could find based on what they had already found. I have spoken to people that knew Nicholas. I am personal friends with someone that knew him from work. I have conversed with Christine. You can believe me or not. I really don't care what you believe. All I am saying is that I stand by what I found and am not trying to defame Nicholas in anyway by bringing it forward.

I would really like to know why you think that you can say with absolution that you know how Nicholas' family feels and/or what kind of people that they are???

LE asked YOU to investigate THEIR case? LMAO!! Yeah and I was born yesterday. Sorry, try again. Hearsay does not prove anything and/or absolution make. I could say I was one of Nick's lovers. Would you believe that? And if so, why? I have conversed with C as well, so what? I still do not believe her John Kerry flip flop stories. Until I hear it from LE that it has been proven through subpoenaed records that Nick was indeed "Funtime Steve" and it was through this profile that he went missing, I will set that suggestion aside as nothing within that profile was absolutely telling it was him or why he went missing. I just don't care truly whether he was "Funtime Steve" or not. Bottom line is someone needs to stand up and tell the truth to LE, not to you, not to me, not even to this board, to LE and if it cannot be Nick then it needs to be the one(s) who caused him to go away. I never said anything I have said was with absolution. YOU said that about your own speculations, not me.

[Musterion]

It really could be as simple as her trying to defend herself. It could be that as much as she may want to move on with her life and believes that he left on his own and abandoned them.. the pain feels as if it happened yesterday.

I can not see an instance where I would not do the same thing, if I felt that I was being seen in a way that I felt was unfair. Being accused of things that were not true. That is just me. I would be on here telling everyone exactly what I thought and defending myself.. PERIOD. I am sure some would take that and assume it meant I was guilty of something.. but that wouldn't be the case.

If I believed that my husband had been living a second life and that he probably walked out on my children and I.. while I was pregnant.. I would be more than P'ved off at him and I am not sure what I would do given those circumstances. Especially given the fact that all of his secrets came out in the public eye. There is quite the stigma that goes along with being cheated on.. isn't there? You blame yourself. You question yourself. You beat yourself up. When you are done doing that.. you become angry. It is a natural progression. It is human nature. It is the grieving process. First denial.. then anger.. bargaining.. depression.. acceptance. Hopefully.. we move past the anger and find some peace.. some of us don't tho. Some of us are stuck in the anger and pain for longer than we probably should be. I am sure this process becomes skewed when you have a missing person.

I know of a woman that was cheated on by her husband with an old friend of theirs. She said that she forgave him and he thought they moved on. Until the girl who he cheated with.. who now lived across the country.. emailed him to tell him that she was getting a restraining order against his wife. She had been calling the woman. Leaving threatening messages and sent her boxes of pictures of them that she had been cut out of. You don't get over it just because you want to. If only it was that simple.

That is really the only thing that I can say M. I know how you feel about it and while I don't agree 100%, I see where you are coming from. I just see a different perspective. I would be shouting from the roof tops that I was innocent and I would be telling anyone who would listen my story.

I thought you might say that. :)

You are, by far, one of the kindest people I've ever posted with. I value your perspectives.

I have been abandoned, out of the blue. It hurts. It is a rejection like no other. Especially when you don't know if the person who is missing is dead or left you of their own free will. It shaped and coloured everything and every relationship I've had in the twenty years since it happened.

I've also lived with someone who had a secret life. It was sordid. He was a pastor and respected. When the divorce came around I didn't have a chance in court. I was totally alone in a small town in Texas. Most everyone who knew us, sided with him. They testified in court for him. They lied for him. His family, pastors and extremely religious respected people, signed false documents claiming incidents and financial transactions that were all lies. I lost everything except my dog. And even she was threatened to be taken from me. I escaped out of Texas with just her, some furniture and some clothing, and came home to the Northwest.

I know I've told you this before. I've told Christine this, early on, when she contacted me. I understand, to some extent, being hurt by someone who has a disgusting secret life, and someone who just decided that they didn't want me and a life with me anymore.

I've been on here for a year, in the first seven months of this case I spent a lot of time taking the words and actions of Christine and putting them in the context of how they happened. I knew what it was like to have every word questioned. Every word or action seen as sinister. I didn't want that to happen to her. So, I took hours of my time, to painstakingly try to correct so many things that were taken out of context.

Mystry, it is clear that Christine is in a lot of pain. It's clear that she is beyond angry. I've told her before to not let what anyone thinks of her actions bother her, she owes no one any explanations. It is the people who love her, who are her family and friends that should matter in what they think about her life and what she has done and is doing with moving ahead.

I have never been able to clear my name with many people. The abandonment in my first marriage set off a chain reaction of failed and wrong relationships which I take responsibility for. I understand what it is like to want to set the record straight and not being able to do so.

My heart is pained at the thought that Christine has people around her who are not giving her counsel about trying to feel vindicated. From what I understand she has a strong group of Christians around her. I don't understand how they cannot help her see that vindication may never come and, within the core framework of the religion that she and I share, there is only One who can vindicate. If we try to vindicate ourselves we may only reap despair. It's a time to trust and heal and get quiet to be able to do both of those things.

If Christine is not guilty of anything then she has absolutely no reason to try to make a small group of us on a few small crime boards believe that she is an innocent party, in all ways, of Nicholas' secret life and disappearance.

But, she doesn't. And that is why I am concerned about her involvement or knowledge of what happened to Nicholas. That is why I am questioning.

If, like you said you would do with telling anyone who might listen that you had been betrayed and hurt and it wasn't your fault, that is truly what Christine wants to do, if she feels it is necessary to let us know on this message board what really happened in her marriage and in Nicholas' disappearance, then come on here as herself. Take the questions. Take the hard questions and dialogue in a humble and kind way. Those who just plain don't believe her will say so and, yes, ridicule her and say some nasty things to her. But, at least do it up front if there is nothing to hide. It seems important for her to talk to us, for some reason. If she's done nothing wrong, hold her head up high, thank people for caring and just dialogue. What could it hurt?

Right now what she is doing is making herself look more guilty. What she is doing, with pointing the finger at Nick's family and questioning their love and involvement in searching for him, is the exact thing she has had done to her. And, it is and will backfire. The pain she was caused by not being able to speak up and feeling misunderstood is the exact pain she may be causing Nicholas' mother and sisters. What she is handing out will come back around on her. It is the law of sowing and reaping.

If she has nothing to hide either fade out and live life and heal, or come forward and talk. But, this seemingly manipulating behaviour of feeding posters things to say in response to criticisms of her on message boards needs to stop. For her own sake, for her own well being, for her healing.

Have a good sleep, M.!
JMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

yes that was put up by the family but also notice it has NEVER been updated.

What updates are there? I would be interested to know if you know any.

[RainyNiteNTx]

she never even posted anything on the anniversary to say that they are still looking. nothing has been said at all by his family since the first week he went missing. not one public peep out of them. very very sad.

The fact that the facebook is still all about Nicholas is proof enough they have not stopped looking IMO. At least they have his picture there - CF would not even put Nick's picture on her MySpace. Other people did (strangers who are interested in missing people), but his wife would not. However, she took the time to update a picture of herself.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Oh wow I never realized that did such a wonderful job they set up a web page and never posted anything again. Such love, such concern how could I have missed such an out pouring of concern.

Come on 5 minutes on facebook and you call that doing something? That is about as much as the interview with no information that the mother did for fox.

Christine did a lot more and no one gives her credit.

What did Christine do?
(highlight by me)

[Shelby1]

More money. I am praying that he is one of the 193 cases.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=151614

I hope he is, too. I'm betting that he is! Thanks for telling us.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I hope he is, too. I'm betting that he is! Thanks for telling us.

I notice where you can add a comment - wonder if it would help if we commented on the NF Case?

[MystryPhobia]

LE asked YOU to investigate THEIR case? LMAO!! Yeah and I was born yesterday. Sorry, try again. Hearsay does not prove anything and/or absolution make. I could say I was one of Nick's lovers. Would you believe that? And if so, why? I have conversed with C as well, so what? I still do not believe her John Kerry flip flop stories. Until I hear it from LE that it has been proven through subpoenaed records that Nick was indeed "Funtime Steve" and it was through this profile that he went missing, I will set that suggestion aside as nothing within that profile was absolutely telling it was him or why he went missing. I just don't care truly whether he was "Funtime Steve" or not. Bottom line is someone needs to stand up and tell the truth to LE, not to you, not to me, not even to this board, to LE and if it cannot be Nick then it needs to be the one(s) who caused him to go away. I never said anything I have said was with absolution. YOU said that about your own speculations, not me.

You can believe what you want. That is your right. Those that were here.. know what happened with LE. They did not ask anyone to investigate their case. They found the information but didn't have the manpower to find every little online identity. They welcomed anything that was found that they could investigate further.

Care4Kids.. I am merely asking you to quantify your assessments of Nicholas' mother and sisters? You said that they had plenty of ammunition against Christine that they have not used. You said that they are better people then her. How do you know this? TIA

[MystryPhobia]

I thought you might say that. :)

You are, by far, one of the kindest people I've ever posted with. I value your perspectives.

I have been abandoned, out of the blue. It hurts. It is a rejection like no other. Especially when you don't know if the person who is missing is dead or left you of their own free will. It shaped and coloured everything and every relationship I've had in the twenty years since it happened.

I've also lived with someone who had a secret life. It was sordid. He was a pastor and respected. When the divorce came around I didn't have a chance in court. I was totally alone in a small town in Texas. Most everyone who knew us, sided with him. They testified in court for him. They lied for him. His family, pastors and extremely religious respected people, signed false documents claiming incidents and financial transactions that were all lies. I lost everything except my dog. And even she was threatened to be taken from me. I escaped out of Texas with just her, some furniture and some clothing, and came home to the Northwest.

I know I've told you this before. I've told Christine this, early on, when she contacted me. I understand, to some extent, being hurt by someone who has a disgusting secret life, and someone who just decided that they didn't want me and a life with me anymore.

I've been on here for a year, in the first seven months of this case I spent a lot of time taking the words and actions of Christine and putting them in the context of how they happened. I knew what it was like to have every word questioned. Every word or action seen as sinister. I didn't want that to happen to her. So, I took hours of my time, to painstakingly try to correct so many things that were taken out of context.

Mystry, it is clear that Christine is in a lot of pain. It's clear that she is beyond angry. I've told her before to not let what anyone thinks of her actions bother her, she owes no one any explanations. It is the people who love her, who are her family and friends that should matter in what they think about her life and what she has done and is doing with moving ahead.

I have never been able to clear my name with many people. The abandonment in my first marriage set off a chain reaction of failed and wrong relationships which I take responsibility for. I understand what it is like to want to set the record straight and not being able to do so.

My heart is pained at the thought that Christine has people around her who are not giving her counsel about trying to feel vindicated. From what I understand she has a strong group of Christians around her. I don't understand how they cannot help her see that vindication may never come and, within the core framework of the religion that she and I share, there is only One who can vindicate. If we try to vindicate ourselves we may only reap despair. It's a time to trust and heal and get quiet to be able to do both of those things.

If Christine is not guilty of anything then she has absolutely no reason to try to make a small group of us on a few small crime boards believe that she is an innocent party, in all ways, of Nicholas' secret life and disappearance.

But, she doesn't. And that is why I am concerned about her involvement or knowledge of what happened to Nicholas. That is why I am questioning.

If, like you said you would do with telling anyone who might listen that you had been betrayed and hurt and it wasn't your fault, that is truly what Christine wants to do, if she feels it is necessary to let us know on this message board what really happened in her marriage and in Nicholas' disappearance, then come on here as herself. Take the questions. Take the hard questions and dialogue in a humble and kind way. Those who just plain don't believe her will say so and, yes, ridicule her and say some nasty things to her. But, at least do it up front if there is nothing to hide. It seems important for her to talk to us, for some reason. If she's done nothing wrong, hold her head up high, thank people for caring and just dialogue. What could it hurt?

Right now what she is doing is making herself look more guilty. What she is doing, with pointing the finger at Nick's family and questioning their love and involvement in searching for him, is the exact thing she has had done to her. And, it is and will backfire. The pain she was caused by not being able to speak up and feeling misunderstood is the exact pain she may be causing Nicholas' mother and sisters. What she is handing out will come back around on her. It is the law of sowing and reaping.

If she has nothing to hide either fade out and live life and heal, or come forward and talk. But, this seemingly manipulating behaviour of feeding posters things to say in response to criticisms of her on message boards needs to stop. For her own sake, for her own well being, for her healing.

Have a good sleep, M.!
JMO.
M.

LOL you know me too well!

I am sorry that you had to go through that! =(

I can't say that I disagree or would change anything that you said. I feel the same way. I wish she would come post with us too and see where things go. Maybe she does know something that someone on here could use to help find out what happened to him. Maybe she could clear up the way some feel about her by doing that. But.. we only have half stories and pieces of information, at this point.

HUGS.. glad you decided to come up to the NW!

[SeattleEddie]

Suddenly, it's all about the wife. Narcissistic people are very skilled at focusing all the attention on themselves, hoping to find love, respect and adoration. Even when it's highly inappropriate. Who else would feel abandoned when a spouse disappears from the face of the earth? Classic!

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=14287

[dreamtime]

Nicholas goes missing on the way home from work. He is to stop by Costco, on an errand for the wife. Planned to bake cookies with his daughter once he got home.

Nicholas not found in over one year now.

Nicholas, per his wife, had a secret life. Secret money. Secret other friends, etc.

Okay.

If Nicholas wanted to step away from his marriage and his children and his job and go into his second life, then why not plan to leave.
A note: I have to go away. Then, wife find out about his secret life and understands why.

It bothers me, that it did not appear Nicholas had a plan to disappear that night.
It bothers me, that he was at an apartment complex that evening. Co workers say they went to all the apartments, but some people would not talk with them.

Where is Nicholas?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Nicholas goes missing on the way home from work. He is to stop by Costco, on an errand for the wife. Planned to bake cookies with his daughter once he got home.

Nicholas not found in over one year now.

Nicholas, per his wife, had a secret life. Secret money. Secret other friends, etc.

Okay.

If Nicholas wanted to step away from his marriage and his children and his job and go into his second life, then why not plan to leave.
A note: I have to go away. Then, wife find out about his secret life and understands why.
It bothers me, that it did not appear Nicholas had a plan to disappear that night.
It bothers me, that he was at an apartment complex that evening. Co workers say they went to all the apartments, but some people would not talk with them.

Where is Nicholas?
(highlight by me)
THIS is what several of us have been asking for over a year. Why that night? Why leave all of his clothes, momentos, art work, papers, pictures? Why walk out of his only source of income? Why, if he wanted to leave Christine, did he also leave his children, his mother, his dad, his sisters, his dog, his pets? Nothing about this makes any sense.

At first we were scorned for trying to figure out if he left voluntarily - now we are expected to jump on the bandwagon that he did in fact do that.

[CaresForKids]

Where would he go and start over without any money? LE has consistently said Nick has not accessed any of his/their accounts, whether bank or credit. He allegedly only had $54 on him when he went missing, according to C, who claims he had made a withdrawl "somewhere" using his "secret" paypal account. If he left due to this online "secret life", C claims him to have been leading, who did he leave with? Nobody, who he allegedly had "affairs" or contact with, claims to have seen him in months. The only people who attempt to "prove" this secret life theory are those on message boards who have claimed to directly speak to persons Nick has allegedly fraternized with. LE has never confirmed that these allegations are true. They've only stated "the wife has said".

[Musterion]

LOL you know me too well!

I am sorry that you had to go through that! =(

I can't say that I disagree or would change anything that you said. I feel the same way. I wish she would come post with us too and see where things go. Maybe she does know something that someone on here could use to help find out what happened to him. Maybe she could clear up the way some feel about her by doing that. But.. we only have half stories and pieces of information, at this point.

HUGS.. glad you decided to come up to the NW!

Thanks, M. Me, too. Very glad. I wouldn't have met dh and wouldn't have given birth to this incredibly spunky, curly haired, amazing six year old that I'm mad about! :)

If Nicholas was a Nicolette and Christine was a Christopher and Nicolette went missing the day before Valentine's Day would this have played out the same way with LE and the public?

If Christopher was left at home with two children and was on national tv asking people to find Nicolette all the while telling people to shut up on blogs and saying it is none of your business, etc. What would we all think on this board?

If Mr. Christopher befriended various people on message boards who were sympathetic to his dilemma and fed them information at strategic times to post in his defense, what would we think?

And, if that went on for a year, Christopher all the while only emailing and messaging with message board posters when a new event was taking place like moving, divorcing the missing spouse, and then finally, to defocus on an impending new marriage, brings out information that Nicolette has, in fact, been living in San Diego. All of this information coming either thru crime message board posters or from Christopher himself on the board as an alias.

Mystry, what would you think? What would most everyone on this board's conclusion be?

I don't even think it would matter what we thought. I think LE would maybe have made an arrest already. Don't you?

This is what bothers me, a year later, after watching all of this.

What makes it so different, to you, just because Christine is a woman?

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Where would he go and start over without any money? LE has consistently said Nick has not accessed any of his/their accounts, whether bank or credit. He allegedly only had $54 on him when he went missing, according to C, who claims he had made a withdrawl "somewhere" using his "secret" paypal account. If he left due to this online "secret life", C claims him to have been leading, who did he leave with? Nobody, who he allegedly had "affairs" or contact with, claims to have seen him in months. The only people who attempt to "prove" this secret life theory are those on message boards who have claimed to directly speak to persons Nick has allegedly fraternized with. LE has never confirmed that these allegations are true. They've only stated "the wife has said".

LE confirmed the withdrawal. They have not only said "the wife has said". They have said that they found the secrets. They have said that there were things found that weren't illegal but that the wife didn't know about.

[CaresForKids]

They still have NEVER confirmed what exactly they found or whether or not what people on message boards and/or what C is saying is what they indeed found. LE never confirmed the amount of money withdrawn or that it was withdrawn from the alleged secret account. The only thing they have absolutely confirmed was that Nick was not performing illegal doings.

[MystryPhobia]

Thanks, M. Me, too. Very glad. I wouldn't have met dh and wouldn't have given birth to this incredibly spunky, curly haired, amazing six year old that I'm mad about! :)

If Nicholas was a Nicolette and Christine was a Christopher and Nicolette went missing the day before Valentine's Day would this have played out the same way with LE and the public?

If Christopher was left at home with two children and was on national tv asking people to find Nicolette all the while telling people to shut up on blogs and saying it is none of your business, etc. What would we all think on this board?

If Mr. Christopher befriended various people on message boards who were sympathetic to his dilemma and fed them information at strategic times to post in his defense, what would we think?

And, if that went on for a year, Christopher all the while only emailing and messaging with message board posters when a new event was taking place like moving, divorcing the missing spouse, and then finally, to defocus on an impending new marriage, brings out information that Nicolette has, in fact, been living in San Diego. All of this information coming either thru crime message board posters or from Christopher himself on the board as an alias.

Mystry, what would you think? What would most everyone on this board's conclusion be?

I don't even think it would matter what we thought. I think LE would maybe have made an arrest already. Don't you?

This is what bothers me, a year later, after watching all of this.

What makes it so different, to you, just because Christine is a woman?

JMO.
M.


You are right. If the roles were reversed then we may look at it differenly.. not may.. would. But, I think that has more to do with differences in men and women and not about Christine in particular. In the end.. whether man of women.. if the spouse is innocent.. they are innocent.

[MystryPhobia]

They still have NEVER confirmed what exactly they found or whether or not what people on message boards and/or what C is saying is what they indeed found. LE never confirmed the amount of money withdrawn or that it was withdrawn from the alleged secret account. The only thing they have absolutely confirmed was that Nick was not performing illegal doings.

so.. you completely disregard part of their statement that states that they found things that the wife wasn't aware of(secret?) but believe the part that says he wasn't doing anything illegal?

There was some extra curricular activities. I really wish we could get past this one point. This is where everyone seems to get hung up. Like.. if they admit it then he isn't worth looking for or something so they hang on to it and fight it.. refuse to acknowledge it. It is really frustrating. Who cares what he did behind closed doors? It shouldn't matter to us one way or the other. But.. that knowledge could lead to what happened to him. You never know.

[CaresForKids]

so.. you completely disregard part of their statement that states that they found things that the wife wasn't aware of(secret?) but believe the part that says he wasn't doing anything illegal?

There was some extra curricular activities. I really wish we could get past this one point. This is where everyone seems to get hung up. Like.. if they admit it then he isn't worth looking for or something so they hang on to it and fight it.. refuse to acknowledge it. It is really frustrating. Who cares what he did behind closed doors? It shouldn't matter to us one way or the other. But.. that knowledge could lead to what happened to him. You never know.

You've obviously NOT read any of my former posts. So what if there were extra curricular activities? I never disregarded the statement that LE said they found things his wife was not aware of BUT they've never stated what those "things" were. C is the one telling but LE has never confirmed that is what THEY found. I will say it again, I do not care what sort of sexual lifestyle Nick led, short of being a child molestor or rapist. I want the lying, storytelling and childlike games to stop and for LE to focus more on finding Nick. HE IS THE VICTIM HERE, not C, not us.

Now tell me, what will you do should they find Nick and none of these stories, message board PIs have told, are true or he is found dead? Those spreading these stories have better have absolute proof they are true, if not, Nick could have a very large defamation of character lawsuit against them, in his hands.

[CaresForKids]

so.. you completely disregard part of their statement that states that they found things that the wife wasn't aware of(secret?) but believe the part that says he wasn't doing anything illegal?

There was some extra curricular activities. I really wish we could get past this one point. This is where everyone seems to get hung up. Like.. if they admit it then he isn't worth looking for or something so they hang on to it and fight it.. refuse to acknowledge it. It is really frustrating. Who cares what he did behind closed doors? It shouldn't matter to us one way or the other. But.. that knowledge could lead to what happened to him. You never know.

This "knowledge" could also be what is keeping him from returning being it may not be true or if it is, he may be too embarrassed or angry to show his face.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay Nicholas was bad - he hid money and ran around on his wife. He is now missing under suspicious circumstances. He walked out of his job to go home and bake cookies with his daughter according to his wife.

Christine and Nick were both all over the internet. On Christine's Facebook, she voted other men along with her husband as most kissable, one of those men being a pastor. Neither Christine nor Nicholas were/are perfect and I don't think there is anyone here insisting that Nicholas was. What they ARE insisting is that he is missing under suspicious circumstances and LE cannot rule out foul play. This is the bottom line - not if he was good or bad.

Those of us who are really "seeking truth" are willing to look at the good the bad and the ugly and are trying to look through and over the smear campaign that has been launched on this board to keep the focus on the victim, the missing. JMO

[CaresForKids]

Okay Nicholas was bad - he hid money and ran around on his wife. He is now missing under suspicious circumstances. He walked out of his job to go home and bake cookies with his daughter according to his wife.

Christine and Nick were both all over the internet. On Christine's Facebook, she voted other men along with her husband as most kissable, one of those men being a pastor. Neither Christine nor Nicholas were/are perfect and I don't think there is anyone here insisting that Nicholas was. What they ARE insisting is that he is missing under suspicious circumstances and LE cannot rule out foul play. This is the bottom line - not if he was good or bad.

Those of us who are really "seeking truth" are willing to look at the good the bad and the ugly and are trying to look through and over the smear campaign that has been launched on this board to keep the focus on the victim, the missing. JMO

Amen that!! :thumbsup:

[Musterion]

You are right. If the roles were reversed then we may look at it differenly.. not may.. would. But, I think that has more to do with differences in men and women and not about Christine in particular. In the end.. whether man of women.. if the spouse is innocent.. they are innocent.

In a general way, yes. I may agree with you.

Here is the exception, IMO, to what you are stating.

Whether it is a man or woman whose spouse has gone missing how could this not look inculpatory:

-the time of the missing person's report is couched in confusion, never verified officially
- manipulating information to come forth to the public on internet message boards: unfavourable to the missing person
-never making a plea to possible captors of spouse to let spouse go unharmed
-never speaking directly to the missing spouse, on camera, giving them hope, telling them how much they are loved
-never expressing or showing panic or horror at what the missing person could be going through at the hands of abductors
-makes statements that spouse is in or near water
-speaks without hope for spouse to be found
-speaks without sadness or grief but with surety that spouse is dead
- moving from a potential crime scene very quickly
- possibly selling some items from the household at a garage sale
- posting single on a MySpace page, just weeks after the spouse disappeared, including a new smiling and coy photo of self
- divorcing the missing spouse
-claiming to be an abused person (which no friends or family or counselour has come forward to validate)
-posts notice of intent to divorce in an obscure newspaper that would more than likely not be read by missing spouse if they were alive
-refusing to do a nationally televised 48 Hour program featuring missing spouse
-refusing to sign off on billboards that were set to be put up immediately in the Seattle area for information on missing spouse
-manipulates information on message board that missing spouse is alive and in San Diego stating people have talked to missing spouse, but nothing comes of that lead
-posts on message boards as third person defending actions self has taken over the past year
-begins an attack on missing spouse's family of origin accusing them of knowing where missing spouse is
-becomes engaged to be married around 1st anniversary of spouse's disappearance

If the above was read and we didn't know the sex of the person who's spouse is missing we all would be appalled. IMO.

These are things, IMO, that are done by someone who knows something about the disappearance of their spouse.

Mystry, how do these things not look damning? Two or three of them, possibly could be thrown out when context is added, but, the rest?

All JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

If it was a man, he'd be hauled in for questioning, held suspect and under the microscope of the public eye, being judged as a coldhearted beast who slained his missing spouse.

If it was a woman, it would be said "What else is she to do to survive, the poor victim, good for her!".

[SilverDove]

This "knowledge" could also be what is keeping him from returning being it may not be true or if it is, he may be too embarrassed or angry to show his face.

Or it is totally true and he didn't think anyone would look into it as far as they did. So he is too embarrassed about what he did do and none of his made up excuses will fly now that everyone knows?

Or maybe someone he had been seeing told him it is Valentines Day so make up your mind now or never and they got in her car and off they went to start a new live and he doesn't want to come back and face child support.

[CaresForKids]

Or it is totally true and he didn't think anyone would look into it as far as they did. So he is too embarrassed about what he did do and none of his made up excuses will fly now that everyone knows?

Or maybe someone he had been seeing told him it is Valentines Day so make up your mind now or never and they got in her car and off they went to start a new live and he doesn't want to come back and face child support.

Yeah...that's it...she wanted a man with only $54 in his pocket to his name...:wink:

Hey, SD, I thought you told us over on another message board you were too disabled to continue your search for Nick and that you had to keep yourself secret from Social Security lest they find out if you got a reward for finding him?

[MystryPhobia]

Sad, maybe. At least they're not slinging C through the mud like she is with Nick. Lord knows they have PLENTY of ammunition. They're just better people for not doing so.

CaresForKids.. can you please tell us the "PLENTY of ammunition" that they have on Christine. Do you know the family? You state they are better people. How do you know this?

[CaresForKids]

CaresForKids.. can you please tell us the "PLENTY of ammunition" that they have on Christine. Do you know the family? You state they are better people. How do you know this?

It's as obvious as the nose on your face. They're not out in public slinging C through the mud for her big mouth bashing of Nick. They haven't openly said anything about her divorce proceedings or recent engagement or selling off Nick's possessions...I could go on and on...They are better people for not saying anything.

[MystryPhobia]

Okay Nicholas was bad - he hid money and ran around on his wife. He is now missing under suspicious circumstances. He walked out of his job to go home and bake cookies with his daughter according to his wife.

Christine and Nick were both all over the internet. On Christine's Facebook, she voted other men along with her husband as most kissable, one of those men being a pastor. Neither Christine nor Nicholas were/are perfect and I don't think there is anyone here insisting that Nicholas was. What they ARE insisting is that he is missing under suspicious circumstances and LE cannot rule out foul play. This is the bottom line - not if he was good or bad.

Those of us who are really "seeking truth" are willing to look at the good the bad and the ugly and are trying to look through and over the smear campaign that has been launched on this board to keep the focus on the victim, the missing. JMO

Hi Rainy - This is what I have always said. If we can get past the point of him not being the person that we would have like him to be.. the husband that he should have been (even if you don't care for Christine.. you have to admit that if he was doing that.. that wasn't cool).. then maybe we can find something that could lead to what happened to him. But.. some of the people on these boards, that are really good at searching and knowing where to search for this sort of stuff.. won't, because he is the victim and we shouldn't talk badly about him.

IMO just the fact that he was living the alternative lifestyle.. even if on the down low.. could lead to what happened to him. If someone harmed him, it very well could be because of that lifestyle. This is why I am so adamant all the time to not forget this. Just as we saw with Jeremy Scully... the jealousy and behind the scenes involvements when you decide a lifestyle like that could cause any number of things to have happened to him.

On the other hand.. and to answer CaresForKids' comment about what if he is alive and left of his own accord and doesn't come forward because he is embarrassed? I don't think we should just disregard the same information because it could make him uncomfortable for people to know this about him. If he decided to disappear and left the online things to be found then he asked for anything that comes his way.. IMO.. and should have expected it.

[MystryPhobia]

It's as obvious as the nose on your face. They're not out in public slinging C through the mud for her big mouth bashing of Nick. They haven't openly said anything about her divorce proceedings or recent engagement or selling off Nick's possessions...I could go on and on...They are better people for not saying anything.

You know? Your posts seem awfully personal when it comes to Christine and Nicholas. You call him by Nick.. when, on the board we have really stuck to Nicholas and I am not even sure how many people did actually call him "Nick". You call Christine names. Your posts are constantly negative in regard to her.

But.. back to your post.. Perhaps because they have no ammunition? Maybe because they understand why she wouldn't want to married to him if she believed he was doing what she believes and was discovered. Or maybe they would prefer that she is not married to him.. who knows? Perhaps they were in on the sale of things.. so that she could come up with money to feed their children? They did ask for money to be donated on the site that was posted a few days ago. Maybe anything personal of Nicholas' was given to them and not sold? So, why would they bash her for that. If you have read this thread from the beginning then you know that sale was put on by several families to donate the money to Christine. It was NOT a sale of Nicholas' things. That is ridiculous to say that. I haven't read anything that says that she is getting married.. so, how do you know that they would have even heard anything about this. And.. if there is going to be a wedding.. perhaps she told them about it herself. We have NO IDEA what their relationship is.

[MystryPhobia]

Yeah...that's it...she wanted a man with only $54 in his pocket to his name...:wink:

Hey, SD, I thought you told us over on another message board you were too disabled to continue your search for Nick and that you had to keep yourself secret from Social Security lest they find out if you got a reward for finding him?

I am really not sure what you are trying to do with that last paragraph but it is really not cool at all. I am trying to figure out where all of this passionate hostility is coming from to anyone that doesn't feel exactly like you do. If you are just a stranger to Nicholas and Christine...

We have no idea how much money he had or what other accounts he had to put money in. Plus.. IF that were true then she would have been okay with a married man with $54 dollars.. why not one that left it all behind with the same $54? :shrug:

[Pag Boi]

They still have NEVER confirmed what exactly they found or whether or not what people on message boards and/or what C is saying is what they indeed found. LE never confirmed the amount of money withdrawn or that it was withdrawn from the alleged secret account. The only thing they have absolutely confirmed was that Nick was not performing illegal doings.



I am prolly going to regret asking this, but here goes:

Are you serious? I bolded the above in your post. You expect LE should/could confirm what posters on a message board are saying? Is LE expected to explain what they have found during an investigation and how it stacks up to alleged internet activity?

If LE arrested C and held her w/out bond, would it make you feel better? Even if it didn't change the outcome of the situation or offer so much as a clue in this case? Just asking. TIA

[Pag Boi]

You've obviously NOT read any of my former posts. So what if there were extra curricular activities? I never disregarded the statement that LE said they found things his wife was not aware of BUT they've never stated what those "things" were. C is the one telling but LE has never confirmed that is what THEY found. I will say it again, I do not care what sort of sexual lifestyle Nick led, short of being a child molestor or rapist. I want the lying, storytelling and childlike games to stop and for LE to focus more on finding Nick. HE IS THE VICTIM HERE, not C, not us.

Now tell me, what will you do should they find Nick and none of these stories, message board PIs have told, are true or he is found dead? Those spreading these stories have better have absolute proof they are true, if not, Nick could have a very large defamation of character lawsuit against them, in his hands.


What are you saying now?

LE hasn't confirmed message board info regarding Nick. Nick may have reason to bring a lawsuit if any message board posts are untrue.

C is to be held accountable for any and everything she posts. Anyone that bashes her or spreads false stories about her is immune from a "defamation of character lawsuit"? There is absolutely no proof that C is involved or informed of N's whereabouts. Yet one would never know it reading some of these message boards.

Yikes. I hope Nick isn't found somewhere that completely exonerates C as she "could have a very large defamation of character lawsuit against them, in her hand."
JMOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi Rainy - This is what I have always said. If we can get past the point of him not being the person that we would have like him to be.. the husband that he should have been (even if you don't care for Christine.. you have to admit that if he was doing that.. that wasn't cool).. then maybe we can find something that could lead to what happened to him. But.. some of the people on these boards, that are really good at searching and knowing where to search for this sort of stuff.. won't, because he is the victim and we shouldn't talk badly about him.

IMO just the fact that he was living the alternative lifestyle.. even if on the down low.. could lead to what happened to him. If someone harmed him, it very well could be because of that lifestyle. This is why I am so adamant all the time to not forget this. Just as we saw with Jeremy Scully... the jealousy and behind the scenes involvements when you decide a lifestyle like that could cause any number of things to have happened to him.

On the other hand.. and to answer CaresForKids' comment about what if he is alive and left of his own accord and doesn't come forward because he is embarrassed? I don't think we should just disregard the same information because it could make him uncomfortable for people to know this about him. If he decided to disappear and left the online things to be found then he asked for anything that comes his way.. IMO.. and should have expected it.

Okay, so when was the last internet activity found for Nicholas pertaining to this lifestyle? Lets start there.

[CaresForKids]

I am prolly going to regret asking this, but here goes:

Are you serious? I bolded the above in your post. You expect LE should/could confirm what posters on a message board are saying? Is LE expected to explain what they have found during an investigation and how it stacks up to alleged internet activity?

If LE arrested C and held her w/out bond, would it make you feel better? Even if it didn't change the outcome of the situation or offer so much as a clue in this case? Just asking. TIA

Well, Paige it's like this...You state with absolution something you claim a person to be and it is not true, you're up for any and all retribution by the person you spoke about. People state they know for fact Nick has been involved in this or that sort of sexual activity and fled away from C leaving her to fend for herself and her children...DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED or are they speaking off the cuff to appear all well informed? None of us knows what truly happened, not you, not me, not even LE. LE has not ever confirmed nor denied anything said here about Nick's "extra curricular" activities and until they do, it's all a matter of personal opinion and/or speculation, not fact. I've never stated anything about believing C should be arrested so I don't know how you asking me that question or me answering it would make you feel any better.

[CaresForKids]

You know? Your posts seem awfully personal when it comes to Christine and Nicholas. You call him by Nick.. when, on the board we have really stuck to Nicholas and I am not even sure how many people did actually call him "Nick". You call Christine names. Your posts are constantly negative in regard to her.

But.. back to your post.. Perhaps because they have no ammunition? Maybe because they understand why she wouldn't want to married to him if she believed he was doing what she believes and was discovered. Or maybe they would prefer that she is not married to him.. who knows? Perhaps they were in on the sale of things.. so that she could come up with money to feed their children? They did ask for money to be donated on the site that was posted a few days ago. Maybe anything personal of Nicholas' was given to them and not sold? So, why would they bash her for that. If you have read this thread from the beginning then you know that sale was put on by several families to donate the money to Christine. It was NOT a sale of Nicholas' things. That is ridiculous to say that. I haven't read anything that says that she is getting married.. so, how do you know that they would have even heard anything about this. And.. if there is going to be a wedding.. perhaps she told them about it herself. We have NO IDEA what their relationship is.

Does that really bother you that I am familiar with Nick? Why the jealousy? And where did I say there was an upcoming wedding? I said her "engagement"...people get engaged all the time for years on end with no wedding in sight. Just because she is engaged, doesn't mean she will ever get married. What name did I call C? Please by all means find it and quote it.

[Cheri_G]

Okay, so when was the last internet activity found for Nicholas pertaining to this lifestyle? Lets start there.

All the adult type accounts attributed to Nick had been closed a year or more except the AFF account which had been accessed "within the last three months" at the time it was found.

[RainyNiteNTx]

All the adult type accounts attributed to Nick had been closed a year or more except the AFF account which had been accessed "within the last three months" at the time it was found.

And was there a history of how many years Nicholas had been online doing these types of things?

[Cheri_G]

And was there a history of how many years Nicholas had been online doing these types of things?

I guess that depends on what you choose to believe. If you believe all the accounts belong to Nick then it was going on for at least four years. (I think the AFF account was the oldest, with membership starting in 2004). According to CF it had started before their marriage.

Nothing about these accounts is confirmed except by CF's say so and some AFF members who say they met Nick at some time or another. I've seen one email from an AFF member who only said that they knew Nick as "Steven". I can't tell from that email if they actually looked at a picture of Nick to be sure it was the same person.

[RainyNiteNTx]

So Basically, if we take this at face value, Nicholas had been involved in this type of activity for four years....so WHY voluntarily walk off into the night with nothing because of that lifestyle or due to that lifestyle at that time? It does not make sense.

If LE cannot confirm that he is missing of his own free will, then I would think they would have investigated this fully as they did the Jeremy Skully case. Something is wrong here. IMO

[Cheri_G]

So Basically, if we take this at face value, Nicholas had been involved in this type of activity for four years....so WHY voluntarily walk off into the night with nothing because of that lifestyle or due to that lifestyle at that time? It does not make sense.

If LE cannot confirm that he is missing of his own free will, then I would think they would have investigated this fully as they did the Jeremy Skully case. Something is wrong here. IMO

Actually we can't even really say 4 years for sure since that date (2004) came from a poster and not from the AFF account profile.

[MystryPhobia]

Does that really bother you that I am familiar with Nick? Why the jealousy? And where did I say there was an upcoming wedding? I said her "engagement"...people get engaged all the time for years on end with no wedding in sight. Just because she is engaged, doesn't mean she will ever get married. What name did I call C? Please by all means find it and quote it.

Why would I be jealous? I am just trying to get at the bottom of this mystery, that is all. With your cryptic messages about being "familiar with Nick" I have to wonder what your real motive for being here is. If you are going to speak as an authority on the subject then I think that you should back it up with your real knowledge of this case so that we can keep everything in perspective.

You called her a big mouth.. few posts up.

[MystryPhobia]

All the adult type accounts attributed to Nick had been closed a year or more except the AFF account which had been accessed "within the last three months" at the time it was found.

And switched to "three months or more" the day before the 3 month anniversary of his disappearance.

[SilverDove]

Yeah...that's it...she wanted a man with only $54 in his pocket to his name...:wink:

Hey, SD, I thought you told us over on another message board you were too disabled to continue your search for Nick and that you had to keep yourself secret from Social Security lest they find out if you got a reward for finding him?

No wonder you can't remember what the facts are. I never said I was disabled I said my husband was. I also never said anything about Social Security. It was state disability and that would have cause a problem if I got a reward. Then again I've never been interested in this for a reward. But thanks for caring so much. We are doing much better now days and we are getting SSD so the reward would no longer be a problem and I'm looking for paying work while doing some volunteer stuff.

You really need to learn to keep your facts straight. Now I understand why you keep thinking you saw things that no one else has.

Now as to finding him. Yes at the beginning of this case I believed he was still in Seattle for a short time but I now believe he has moved on to other places.

Remember not all woman are looking for money. So not all people judge others on how much their dollar worth is.

[MystryPhobia]

So Basically, if we take this at face value, Nicholas had been involved in this type of activity for four years....so WHY voluntarily walk off into the night with nothing because of that lifestyle or due to that lifestyle at that time? It does not make sense.

If LE cannot confirm that he is missing of his own free will, then I would think they would have investigated this fully as they did the Jeremy Skully case. Something is wrong here. IMO


That is the part that doesn't make sense about him leaving to me too. Why then?

What changed or happened that made him want to leave then.. IF that is what he did?

-the new child

is the only thing that we really know for sure was any different.

[MystryPhobia]

If it was a man, he'd be hauled in for questioning, held suspect and under the microscope of the public eye, being judged as a coldhearted beast who slained his missing spouse.

If it was a woman, it would be said "What else is she to do to survive, the poor victim, good for her!".

This post is soo funny to me. Christine was hauled in and questioned and has been held suspect since Nicholas' disappearance. She certainly is under the microscope of the public eye and is being judged as a coldhearted beast who "possibly" slained her missing spouse.

I guess your post just pertains to other women, besides Christine...

Just a few husbands not arrested while their wives were missing...

Drew Peterson
Scott Peterson
Leo Laurant

[SilverDove]

There really are very few things that could have happened if you strip them all down to basic.

1) he walked away
a) with someone else
b) alone
c) because of sudden mental illness

2) He is being held by someone
a) as a sex slave
b) by Mars church as discipline

3) He was killed
a) by a stranger for no reason what so ever
b) by Christine
c) by Mars church
d) hired killer
e) scorned lover
f) by a "friend" or person he knew

Hate to tell you but none of these seem very likely if you want the truth, but one of them is likely the truth. So I don't see how anyone should be getting that upset because their personal favorite isn't being agree to. Until he is found and the case can be close there is just no way to be sure.

[CaresForKids]

Why would I be jealous? I am just trying to get at the bottom of this mystery, that is all. With your cryptic messages about being "familiar with Nick" I have to wonder what your real motive for being here is. If you are going to speak as an authority on the subject then I think that you should back it up with your real knowledge of this case so that we can keep everything in perspective.

You called her a big mouth.. few posts up.

Nope did not call her a big mouth, I said she was big mouth bashing, which she is doing. See, there's difference between calling an action and calling a name.

[SilverDove]

Yeah...that's it...she wanted a man with only $54 in his pocket to his name...:wink:

Hey, SD, I thought you told us over on another message board you were too disabled to continue your search for Nick and that you had to keep yourself secret from Social Security lest they find out if you got a reward for finding him?

BTW I forgot to ask what does my personal life have to do with finding Nicholas? And why after a year does any of that make a difference? I'm really hoping you aren't trying to scare me off or something.:rolleyes:
jmo

[CaresForKids]

This post is soo funny to me. Christine was hauled in and questioned and has been held suspect since Nicholas' disappearance. She certainly is under the microscope of the public eye and is being judged as a coldhearted beast who "possibly" slained her missing spouse.

I guess your post just pertains to other women, besides Christine...

Just a few husbands not arrested while their wives were missing...

Drew Peterson
Scott Peterson
Leo Laurant

Why don't you answer that question posed by Musterion then? She didn't name C as the "woman" in her scenario...and you added her to my answer. However, in any missing person's case, the spouse, SO, children, etc are always hauled in at the onset and questioned. Generally they are released immediately if there is no suspicion however, they are still going to be termed POI until the case is settled. C put herself under the microscope when she began flip flopping stories, quoting cryptic bible passages, begged for cash and goods, filed for divorce and did her 1 year bash report. If I was KCSO, yeah, I'd have another closer look at her. Sad how you can find humor in this...

[CaresForKids]

BTW I forgot to ask what does my personal life have to do with finding Nicholas? And why after a year does any of that make a difference? I'm really hoping you aren't trying to scare me off or something.:rolleyes:
jmo

Because you insinuated you knew where Nick was at the time but were afraid to go find him for those very reasons. I just wondered what happened.

[CaresForKids]

That is the part that doesn't make sense about him leaving to me too. Why then?

What changed or happened that made him want to leave then.. IF that is what he did?

-the new child

is the only thing that we really know for sure was any different.

C was allegedly pregnant one time prior to the last. That pregnancy ended in miscarriage according to C. The news of the pregnancy was to be her anniversary gift to Nick.

This new baby, according to C was conceived in January. According to Harlot, C gave birth Oct 8 to a boy. In C's raw interview, she claimed she delivered nearly 8 weeks early. That would have made her due sometime in Dec, early Jan by her own account. So when did she really become pregnant?

[MystryPhobia]

C was allegedly pregnant one time prior to the last. That pregnancy ended in miscarriage according to C. The news of the pregnancy was to be her anniversary gift to Nick.

This new baby, according to C was conceived in January. According to Harlot, C gave birth Oct 8 to a boy. In C's raw interview, she claimed she delivered nearly 8 weeks early. That would have made her due sometime in Dec, early Jan by her own account. So when did she really become pregnant?

HO NEVER claimed that Christine gave birth on Oct. 8th. She merely stated that the baby had been born. Are you now stating that she wasn't pregnant or that she lied to Nicholas about being pregnant? I am not understanding your point.

[MystryPhobia]

And.. further more.. you think that Nicholas ran away from his life and his father and VF helped him to do this. So, why do you care what Christine says or does? Another thing that I don't understand.

[CaresForKids]

HO claimed on another message board C gave birth on Oct 8. You'll have to find it as I am told we cannot link to other boards here. With that information and hearing C state the difference, yes, any normal intelligent human being would question when she actually got pregnant.

[MystryPhobia]

HO claimed on another message board C gave birth on Oct 8. You'll have to find it as I am told we cannot link to other boards here. With that information and hearing C state the difference, yes, any normal intelligent human being would question when she actually got pregnant.
That is NOT true. She just said that the baby had been born. The only reason anything was said was because the child was DUE around that time.. do the math and maybe you will figure out when the child was born.

Still.. what does this have to do with his disappearance? Do you really think that LE is so incapable of doing their job that they didn't notice that she wasn't really pregnant or delivered months after was humanly possible???

[CaresForKids]

And.. further more.. you think that Nicholas ran away from his life and his father and VF helped him to do this. So, why do you care what Christine says or does? Another thing that I don't understand.

Because it's a theory, it doesn't mean I honestly believe this to be so. In speaking with C long before Nick went missing, believing he would leave on his own accord someday was something I could imagine truly happening.

[SilverDove]

Because you insinuated you knew where Nick was at the time but were afraid to go find him for those very reasons. I just wondered what happened.

Check the bottom of the last page. I think you missed my other answer in which I showed you were all wrong about what you thought you remembered.

As to insinuating I knew where he was, in reality I was saying I thought I knew where he was going in the evenings but there were to many places to look and I couldn't afford to do it at the time. I was never afraid to find him.

You really need to work harder at getting your "facts" correct.
JMO

[CaresForKids]

That is NOT true. She just said that the baby had been born. The only reason anything was said was because the child was DUE around that time.. do the math and maybe you will figure out when the child was born.

Still.. what does this have to do with his disappearance? Do you really think that LE is so incapable of doing their job that they didn't notice that she wasn't really pregnant or delivered months after was humanly possible???

She wouldn't have to prove a pregnancy just because her husband is missing. And I will still stick to my statement about HO's announcement. Go look it up dear or are you afraid to?

[CaresForKids]

Check the bottom of the last page. I think you missed my other answer in which I showed you were all wrong about what you thought you remembered.

As to insinuating I knew where he was, in reality I was saying I thought I knew where he was going in the evenings but there were to many places to look and I couldn't afford to do it at the time. I was never afraid to find him.

You really need to work harder at getting your "facts" correct.
JMO

I have the facts on the other board. And yes, I was correct.

[MystryPhobia]

She wouldn't have to prove a pregnancy just because her husband is missing. And I will still stick to my statement about HO's announcement. Go look it up dear or are you afraid to?

You are the one stating it as fact. You should prove it. NEVER did she state that she gave birth on Oct. 8th. If she did.. I want to see it.

[MystryPhobia]

Harlett posted on 10/7 that Christine had the baby. She NEVER states when she had the child.. just that she did and that they were both doing fine. I guess I can see how someone could take that as when she had the baby but that isn't true. The baby was born in August.

[CaresForKids]

Harlett posted on 10/7 that Christine had the baby. She NEVER states when she had the child.. just that she did and that they were both doing fine. I guess I can see how someone could take that as when she had the baby but that isn't true. The baby was born in August.

And you're stating this as what, fact? Let's see YOUR proof.

[SilverDove]

I have the facts on the other board. And yes, I was correct.

Maybe go back and reread all the posts I made and you will find you are wrong. But maybe that is the problem a line here and a line there out of context and twisted to fit what ever you want. I never talked about who had medical problems, I never said anything about Social Security and did say it was the no medical insurance that mess stuff up.

Medical problems, no insurance and 15k messing things up does say any of the other things you said.

But really this isn't about me and if anyone is interested I can find the post and send them links. :)

So lets get back to looking for Nicholas and stop with the personal information.

[MystryPhobia]

And you're stating this as what, fact? Let's see YOUR proof.

Sorry.. I don't have a birth certificate.

I am merely stating what I know to be true.. so that the board stays with just the facts.

[CaresForKids]

Sorry.. I don't have a birth certificate.

I am merely stating what I know to be true.. so that the board stays with just the facts.

Mmmmmm hmmmmm...:rolleyes:

[CaresForKids]

Maybe go back and reread all the posts I made and you will find you are wrong. But maybe that is the problem a line here and a line there out of context and twisted to fit what ever you want. I never talked about who had medical problems, I never said anything about Social Security and did say it was the no medical insurance that mess stuff up.

Medical problems, no insurance and 15k messing things up does say any of the other things you said.

But really this isn't about me and if anyone is interested I can find the post and send them links. :)

So lets get back to looking for Nicholas and stop with the personal information.

You're the one giving all the personal info...I merely asked a question. I can't help what you elaborate on.

[MystryPhobia]

Mmmmmm hmmmmm...:rolleyes:

What is your point?

You just want to make up stories because it sounds better then the truth.. okay.. that is your prerogative. I was just trying to get the story all straight for you.

[CaresForKids]

What is your point?

You just want to make up stories because it sounds better then the truth.. okay.. that is your prerogative. I was just trying to get the story all straight for you.

Oh please. Likewise, dear. :rolleyes:

[MystryPhobia]

Oh please. Likewise, dear. :rolleyes:

Okay.. I am not on this board pretending to be someone that I am not. I am not pretending to know the missing person so that my posts are made more relevant. People on this board know my real name.. I am not hiding. I would have no reason to lie. But.. again I will ask you.. what does this have to do with finding Nicholas?

Since you believe he left on his own and his father and VF helped him to escape.. why does it matter when Christine had the baby or what she is doing with her life now? Maybe there is still that chance that he will show up on your doorstep so that you can take care of him and let him play your XBOX. As we have discovered.. anything is possible.

[Cheri_G]

And switched to "three months or more" the day before the 3 month anniversary of his disappearance.

That might not be accurate. I went back through some of the old discussions when the account was found and some people were saying when they looked at it said less than 3 months and others were seeing more than 3 months. It seemed to have something to do how the account was accessed.

[CaresForKids]

Okay.. I am not on this board pretending to be someone that I am not. I am not pretending to know the missing person so that my posts are made more relevant. People on this board know my real name.. I am not hiding. I would have no reason to lie. But.. again I will ask you.. what does this have to do with finding Nicholas?

Since you believe he left on his own and his father and VF helped him to escape.. why does it matter when Christine had the baby or what she is doing with her life now? Maybe there is still that chance that he will show up on your doorstep so that you can take care of him and let him play your XBOX. As we have discovered.. anything is possible.

Yes dear, maybe he will...maybe he will...anything is possible...at least here, he would not be judged but listened to and helped. People on this board know my real name too...so? I don't care about you or your name or your opinion of me. The only thing that matters is finding Nick and ensuring his safety.

[MystryPhobia]

That might not be accurate. I went back through some of the old discussions when the account was found and some people were saying when they looked at it said less than 3 months and others were seeing more than 3 months. It seemed to have something to do how the account was accessed.

Actually IIRC the discrepency was when it switched to the three months or more.. some were seeing it before others were but everyone was seeing the same thing within a day.

The one that I opened I stopped logging into and watched and it switched exactly 3 months later.

[MystryPhobia]

Yes dear, maybe he will...maybe he will...anything is possible...at least here, he would not be judged but listened to and helped. People on this board know my real name too...so? I don't care about you or your name or your opinion of me. The only thing that matters is finding Nick and ensuring his safety.

I never judged him.

Nicholas has been missing for more than a year. Chances are you can not ensure his safety. If something happened to him.. then it is a done deal.

If he could show up at your home.. then the reality would be that he walked out on his wife and children. No matter what you think of Christine.. there are children involved.. could you really look them in the eye, knowing that you condoned his abandoning them and gave him a place to have some fun.. where he wouldn't be judged or held accountable for his actions?

[RainyNiteNTx]

No wonder you can't remember what the facts are. I never said I was disabled I said my husband was. I also never said anything about Social Security. It was state disability and that would have cause a problem if I got a reward. Then again I've never been interested in this for a reward. But thanks for caring so much. We are doing much better now days and we are getting SSD so the reward would no longer be a problem and I'm looking for paying work while doing some volunteer stuff.

You really need to learn to keep your facts straight. Now I understand why you keep thinking you saw things that no one else has.

Now as to finding him. Yes at the beginning of this case I believed he was still in Seattle for a short time but I now believe he has moved on to other places.
Remember not all woman are looking for money. So not all people judge others on how much their dollar worth is.

Why and Why? Why did you feel he was in Seattle for a short time and why do you now feel he has moved on? Is it just a personal feeling, or a hunch or what? (red highlight by me)

[RainyNiteNTx]

I never judged him.

Nicholas has been missing for more than a year. Chances are you can not ensure his safety. If something happened to him.. then it is a done deal.

If he could show up at your home.. then the reality would be that he walked out on his wife and children. No matter what you think of Christine.. there are children involved.. could you really look them in the eye, knowing that you condoned his abandoning them and gave him a place to have some fun.. where he wouldn't be judged or held accountable for his actions?

Just because someone might provide a safe haven for Nicholas until he could get his life together does not mean they would have to condone what he had done. I could see many scenarios here - one of which Nicholas might need help and support in order to be a father to his children again. I see nothing wrong if the end result turned out good for everyone.

[RainyNiteNTx]

That is the part that doesn't make sense about him leaving to me too. Why then?

What changed or happened that made him want to leave then.. IF that is what he did?

-the new child

is the only thing that we really know for sure was any different.

But still why that night? Didn't he find out some time in January that C was pregnant again?

[MystryPhobia]

Just because someone might provide a safe haven for Nicholas until he could get his life together does not mean they would have to condone what he had done. I could see many scenarios here - one of which Nicholas might need help and support in order to be a father to his children again. I see nothing wrong if the end result turned out good for everyone.


I am sorry. This is where you are I have a difference of opinion. LOL OK one of many but you know I love ya. You know that this statement has always bothered me. For some reason I can not wrap my mind around it.

I think it is completely irresponsible to say that he could have a place that was a safe haven if he decided to up and walk out on his children. There is a difference between having love and compassion for someone and being an enabler. I think it would be totally okay for us to be upset with him for doing something like that. Just as I would be upset that any man walked out on his children... and I hold my sons to the same standard. There is just no excuse for that what so ever, in my opinion. They didn't ask to be born to him and will forever be changed because of his selfishness. Lots and lots of men decide to STAY. Those men should be the ones that are patted on the back.. not the ones that ditch their children.

[MystryPhobia]

But still why that night? Didn't he find out some time in January that C was pregnant again?


I don't think that anything that has been found shows that he was planning anything for that night or for that time. So, what happened to him that night? I wish I knew.

SD layed out the possiblities. Maybe we should take them one at a time and discuss them as possibilities. Brainstorm. Maybe something new will come up.

[SilverDove]

Lets take Christine killing Nicholas first

1) It isn't easy to kill someone.
2) It is even harder to kill someone without leaving evidence
3) It is hard to kill someone quietly (without waking the kids)
4) If she did kill him it would be hard to get rid of the body
5) It would be hard to get rid of any blood or physical evidence with no trace
6) If she did kill him why not wait the 24 hours before reporting him? Why report him that night?

So how could Christine kill Nicholas, hide the car, hide the body, clean up any blood, and never wake the kids even in 6 hours?

What if Christine had a boy friend? Why would they kill Nicholas? What would be gained by killing him instead of divorcing him? By divorcing him they would have had child support. If there was a second person why not set it up so the body could be found and they would get any insurance and social security. Drive by shooting, fake intruder, fake robbery would have given them much better results. Why hide the body so well that no one can even prove him dead?

What would be gain in by killing him instead of divorce? It would have been hard if not impossible for him to have taken the kids since everyone seems to say she was a good mother. I've knew of a school teacher who couldn't get his kids even though his wife was pregnant with another mans child and a horrible housekeeper.

With all of this I find it difficult to believe that Christine had him killed since she had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I am sorry. This is where you are I have a difference of opinion. LOL OK one of many but you know I love ya. You know that this statement has always bothered me. For some reason I can not wrap my mind around it.

I think it is completely irresponsible to say that he could have a place that was a safe haven if he decided to up and walk out on his children. There is a difference between having love and compassion for someone and being an enabler. I think it would be totally okay for us to be upset with him for doing something like that. Just as I would be upset that any man walked out on his children... and I hold my sons to the same standard. There is just no excuse for that what so ever, in my opinion. They didn't ask to be born to him and will forever be changed because of his selfishness. Lots and lots of men decide to STAY. Those men should be the ones that are patted on the back.. not the ones that ditch their children.

There is a difference in patting someone on the back and giving them a hand up.

Nicholas might be unhealthy - in body, mind, and spirit. If he were to need help to be restored spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically, then I would hope someone would give him help. Only then could he possibly begin to hope to build a relationship with his children if Christine would allow it or at least get to a point in life where he could support them.

Thankfully churchs do not turn away the man who reeks of alcohol but decides one Sunday to grace their pews. Hate the sin - love the sinner. JMO

[MystryPhobia]

There is a difference in patting someone on the back and giving them a hand up.

Nicholas might be unhealthy - in body, mind, and spirit. If he were to need help to be restored spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically, then I would hope someone would give him help. Only then could he possibly begin to hope to build a relationship with his children if Christine would allow it or at least get to a point in life where he could support them.

Thankfully churchs do not turn away the man who reeks of alcohol but decides one Sunday to grace their pews. Hate the sin - love the sinner. JMO
Maybe this has always been my problem with it. I never felt that it was put out there as a way to help someone that was in emotional danger. Because you are right.. what kind of christian would I be if I turned away someone asking for or needing help? I felt that it was said in a flippant manner. The wife isn't liked and somehow that makes it okay that he may have ran away without a word to any one that loved and cared about him.. searched for him.. etc. Because she wasn't liked then he could come hang out.. play vids.. have a safe haven where he could hide out and and all that. I can not see an instance where I would invite a missing person over to my home. Give them a safe place to hide out and play a video game.. while his loved ones are hurting and wondering where he is. It felt like the children were completely forgotten about. But.. the reality is that IF he left on his own that day.. he left THEM just as much as he left Christine. If Christine is such a horrible person that he could not stay with her.. why would he leave his children to deal with her without him there as a buffer?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Lets take Christine killing Nicholas first

1) It isn't easy to kill someone.
2) It is even harder to kill someone without leaving evidence
3) It is hard to kill someone quietly (without waking the kids)
4) If she did kill him it would be hard to get rid of the body
5) It would be hard to get rid of any blood or physical evidence with no trace
6) If she did kill him why not wait the 24 hours before reporting him? Why report him that night?

So how could Christine kill Nicholas, hide the car, hide the body, clean up any blood, and never wake the kids even in 6 hours?

What if Christine had a boy friend? Why would they kill Nicholas? What would be gained by killing him instead of divorcing him? By divorcing him they would have had child support. If there was a second person why not set it up so the body could be found and they would get any insurance and social security. Drive by shooting, fake intruder, fake robbery would have given them much better results. Why hide the body so well that no one can even prove him dead?

What would be gain in by killing him instead of divorce? It would have been hard if not impossible for him to have taken the kids since everyone seems to say she was a good mother. I've knew of a school teacher who couldn't get his kids even though his wife was pregnant with another mans child and a horrible housekeeper.

With all of this I find it difficult to believe that Christine had him killed since she had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

I do not think Christine killed Nicholas. I do however think there is much more to this story than has been told. That is just MO.

As to your post....two words...Melanie McGuire.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Maybe this has always been my problem with it. I never felt that it was put out there as a way to help someone that was in emotional danger. Because you are right.. what kind of christian would I be if I turned away someone asking for or needing help? I felt that it was said in a flippant manner. The wife isn't liked and somehow that makes it okay that he may have ran away without a word to any one that loved and cared about him.. searched for him.. etc. Because she wasn't liked then he could come hang out.. play vids.. have a safe haven where he could hide out and and all that. I can not see an instance where I would invite a missing person over to my home. Give them a safe place to hide out and play a video game.. while his loved ones are hurting and wondering where he is. It felt like the children were completely forgotten about. But.. the reality is that IF he left on his own that day.. he left THEM just as much as he left Christine. If Christine is such a horrible person that he could not stay with her.. why would he leave his children to deal with her without him there as a buffer?


IMO therein lies the problem. If someone offers to help Nicholas, then it is a betrayal to Christine. Christine is NOT missing - never has been. They are not equals in this situation. At this point Nicholas is missing under suspicious circumstances. There is no proof that he willingly walked out the door and abandoned his children. So why do people try to make him the bad guy for being a missing person?

If he someday says yeah I left on my own, leaving my children, I will be the first to post how I feel about that situation. Until then, Nicholas is a statistic. IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

That is the part that doesn't make sense about him leaving to me too. Why then?

What changed or happened that made him want to leave then.. IF that is what he did?

-the new child

is the only thing that we really know for sure was any different.

Going back to this post...something else changed...the resignation from Mars Hill. So that is two things that are different....

Resignation from Mars Hill
Announcement of a new baby

[Danette44]

Going back to this post...something else changed...the resignation from Mars Hill. So that is two things that are different....

Resignation from Mars Hill
Announcement of a new baby

IIRC - Didn't they resign after Christine told him she was having another baby? Just thinking to myself here - what if Nicholas found out the baby wasn't his and decided to leave and Chrisitne knew it. That would explain why she moved out and divorced him, this baby was born 2 months permature??? MP - did you ever notice if it was in the paper for birth annoucements, or do they have to put them in themselfs?

[Musterion]

Lets take Christine killing Nicholas first

1) It isn't easy to kill someone.
2) It is even harder to kill someone without leaving evidence
3) It is hard to kill someone quietly (without waking the kids)
4) If she did kill him it would be hard to get rid of the body
5) It would be hard to get rid of any blood or physical evidence with no trace
6) If she did kill him why not wait the 24 hours before reporting him? Why report him that night?

So how could Christine kill Nicholas, hide the car, hide the body, clean up any blood, and never wake the kids even in 6 hours?

What if Christine had a boy friend? Why would they kill Nicholas? What would be gained by killing him instead of divorcing him? By divorcing him they would have had child support. If there was a second person why not set it up so the body could be found and they would get any insurance and social security. Drive by shooting, fake intruder, fake robbery would have given them much better results. Why hide the body so well that no one can even prove him dead?

What would be gain in by killing him instead of divorce? It would have been hard if not impossible for him to have taken the kids since everyone seems to say she was a good mother. I've knew of a school teacher who couldn't get his kids even though his wife was pregnant with another mans child and a horrible housekeeper.

With all of this I find it difficult to believe that Christine had him killed since she had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Okay. Just remember you asked! This is for the sake of discussion and debate and I am just giving general answers. Not necessarily believing that this is what happened in the Francisco case.

Maybe the wife found out the husband was involved in a sexual secret life just prior to the husband going missing.

Maybe she found someone to help her commit the crime of murder.

Maybe that person did help. And, maybe he disappeared the day after the crime. Maybe he knew people in the apartment complex where the victim's car was found. Maybe even lived there or close to that location.

Maybe he was paid a down payment sum for the crime with the promise of more money from donations received.

Maybe he disposed of the body and the wife did not want to know how the husband was killed or where the body was. Easier to pass part of a polygraph.

Making a 911 call within hours of the disappearance is a brilliant move. It defocuses on the first suspect, the wife.

Sometimes murdering someone is not about money at all. Sometimes murdering someone is an act of rage and hatred for being betrayed.

As for not waking children during a murder, I can cite cases where women murdered their husband's while the children were in the other room. First comes to mind Susan Wright of Houston in 2003. Tied her husband to the bed, stabbed him 193 times. Buried him in the enclosed porch off of their home. Kids were across the hall asleep.

A famous case involving a man murdering his wife in Texas: In November 2002 Richard McFarland viciously killed his wife in their master bedroom. Their three boys slept through that.

It's not always about life insurance. It's not always about money.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

IMO therein lies the problem. If someone offers to help Nicholas, then it is a betrayal to Christine. Christine is NOT missing - never has been. They are not equals in this situation. At this point Nicholas is missing under suspicious circumstances. There is no proof that he willingly walked out the door and abandoned his children. So why do people try to make him the bad guy for being a missing person?

If he someday says yeah I left on my own, leaving my children, I will be the first to post how I feel about that situation. Until then, Nicholas is a statistic. IMO

I never felt it was a betrayal so much to Christine.. nor do I think that Nicholas was a bad guy.. but the children are innocent and never asked to be brought into Christine and Nicholas' world.

[MystryPhobia]

IIRC - Didn't they resign after Christine told him she was having another baby? Just thinking to myself here - what if Nicholas found out the baby wasn't his and decided to leave and Chrisitne knew it. That would explain why she moved out and divorced him, this baby was born 2 months permature??? MP - did you ever notice if it was in the paper for birth annoucements, or do they have to put them in themselfs?

I never saw it in the paper but I didn't look. I know when I had my children.. someone came in my room at some point and asked me what I wanted the birth announcement to say. I think I could have asked for it not to be included also... but not sure.

[MystryPhobia]

Going back to this post...something else changed...the resignation from Mars Hill. So that is two things that are different....

Resignation from Mars Hill
Announcement of a new baby

True.. the resignation. Still not sure why they decided to do that.

[Musterion]

Maybe this has always been my problem with it. I never felt that it was put out there as a way to help someone that was in emotional danger. Because you are right.. what kind of christian would I be if I turned away someone asking for or needing help? I felt that it was said in a flippant manner. The wife isn't liked and somehow that makes it okay that he may have ran away without a word to any one that loved and cared about him.. searched for him.. etc. Because she wasn't liked then he could come hang out.. play vids.. have a safe haven where he could hide out and and all that. I can not see an instance where I would invite a missing person over to my home. Give them a safe place to hide out and play a video game.. while his loved ones are hurting and wondering where he is. It felt like the children were completely forgotten about. But.. the reality is that IF he left on his own that day.. he left THEM just as much as he left Christine. If Christine is such a horrible person that he could not stay with her.. why would he leave his children to deal with her without him there as a buffer?

In this life, we are all on even playing ground. Meaning none of us is any better than anyone else. That is how God looks at us, IMO.

God has never turned His back on anyone. Quite the opposite. He is there, arms stretched out, waiting for us to come and be held and loved and accepted. He walks through our devastating mistakes with us. And, none of us are without those mistakes. IMO. He hurts with us and for us. At the same time, He is with the party we have hurt, loving them, whispering to their hearts, walking through the steps necessary to show His love and forgiveness to the very one who has devastated us.

He allows us to reap what we've sown many times. Maybe go to prison, maybe lose everything and everyone we value. That means He doesn't condone what we may have done. But, He never withdraws His love, His acceptance, His arms desperately wanting to hold us. His words of love, in the bible, are for everyone. Not just for those who never make 'big' mistakes.

God prizes those who visit the accused in prison. He says that when we do that it is as if we are visiting Him. Those in prison are the murderers, rapists, child abusers. The lowest of the low. Yet He identifies Himself with them.

Maybe CaresforKids isn't saying that she would help Nicholas in the way that we think it should be stated. But, even if she is not christian, there is a heart there to help one of the lowest of the low. Nicholas who is accused of being one of the low ones. Nicholas who is missing. Nicholas who may have abandoned his wife and his beautiful and innocent children.

There are those of us who would do the same for him, too. There are those who would do the same for Christine. Even if she had something to do with his disappearance.

Sometimes a person leaves a spouse who is abusive to them. The children left with that person. Sometimes there is so much pain for that person that they know they have to get out or they will die, not necessarily physically. Maybe it just about kills them to walk away from their children but they know if they tried to divorce or get custody of the children the pain for the children may be worse than them just walking away. It doesn't sound logical. But, it happens. And it is logical to the one making the decision to leave. To them leaving is the least of two evils.

All JMO.
M.

[SeattleEddie]

I never saw it in the paper but I didn't look. I know when I had my children.. someone came in my room at some point and asked me what I wanted the birth announcement to say. I think I could have asked for it not to be included also... but not sure.

The two (now one) dailies in Seattle don't print birth announcements.

[MystryPhobia]

The two (now one) dailies in Seattle don't print birth announcements.
Ah.. ok.. well, the Everett Herald does.

[RainyNiteNTx]

True.. the resignation. Still not sure why they decided to do that.

Didn't Nicholas get a promotion not too long before he disappeared? Can that be added?

[MystryPhobia]

Ah.. ok.. well, the Everett Herald does.

Just wanted to add.. NW classifieds which is the Seattle Times.. does print pay birth announcements.

I never paid for mine in the Herald. I would bet that it is part of the paperwork that is given to you after birth so that you can choose to put one in.

I doubt Christine would choose to put the birth announcement in the paper under the circumstances. Wouldn't want the child to be in any danger from someone following the case.

[MystryPhobia]

Didn't Nicholas get a promotion not too long before he disappeared? Can that be added?

Did he? I guess I remember something about that.. he had gotten the title but not the raise yet or something like that?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Did he? I guess I remember something about that.. he had gotten the title but not the raise yet or something like that?

On Christine's blog, she said he had gotten promoted but had not yet received the pay for it yet. IIRC he had been promoted to Art Director.

[SeattleEddie]

Just wanted to add.. NW classifieds which is the Seattle Times.. does print pay birth announcements.

I never paid for mine in the Herald. I would bet that it is part of the paperwork that is given to you after birth so that you can choose to put one in.

I doubt Christine would choose to put the birth announcement in the paper under the circumstances. Wouldn't want the child to be in any danger from someone following the case.

They don't give you that ppwk in the hospital, FWIW. If you want to announce the birth of your child, you can call it in (and pay for it) to the classifieds, just like apartments for rent, lost dogs, or garage sales, etc....

The point is you have to make a special effort to put a birth announcement in the paper; it costs money and I doubt those announcements have a large readership......highly unlikely wife would use this service, but it's easy enough to check.

[MystryPhobia]

They don't give you that ppwk in the hospital, FWIW. If you want to announce the birth of your child, you can call it in (and pay for it) to the classifieds, just like apartments for rent, lost dogs, or garage sales, etc....

The point is you have to make a special effort to put a birth announcement in the paper; it costs money and I doubt those announcements have a large readership......highly unlikely wife would use this service, but it's easy enough to check.



I have had 4 children in the area and have always gotten paperwork for places to have photos of your child.. announcements.. stuff like that in the paperwork they give you at the hospital. But.. like I said.. I had my children in Everett and they DO come in your room and ask you how you want the birth announcement to read... and it is free.. or was 6 years ago. I would bet it is in the paperword from the hospital.. as in.. here is the number.. here is what you can do.. etc. etc. if you would like to have announcement in the paper. The paper would benefit finanically by doing this and parents are presented with the option. JMO As I already stated.. I doubt you will find one for Christine's child since she feared for the safety of the child because of the disappearance. But.. lack of the announcement does NOT mean that there is no child.

[CaresForKids]

GAWD! Nick is young enough to be my son and in fact IS my son's age! How could you turn my wanting to help him through his situation into something so mind sickening? If Nick showed up lost and/or distraught, yes, I would help him out. I would not hide him but I also would not make him go straight home. I would listen to him without prejudice, let him rest, play a few video games and then we would decide what the best course of action would be. At this point we have been told by LE he has done nothing illegal. What we don't know is whether or not he has actually done anything morally wrong. I don't necessarily have to be Christian in order to hold my hand out for Nick to hang onto and there is definitely nothing wrong in my desire to do so. No, I do not condone anyone just up and leaving without notice because they tired of being a parent. I am a single parent myself and understand how hard it is to raise children alone...however we do not know both sides of the story. We don't even know the true story of what made Nick go missing that night.

[MystryPhobia]

I have had 4 children in the area and have always gotten paperwork for places to have photos of your child.. announcements.. stuff like that in the paperwork they give you at the hospital. But.. like I said.. I had my children in Everett and they DO come in your room and ask you how you want the birth announcement to read... and it is free.. or was 6 years ago. I would bet it is in the paperword from the hospital.. as in.. here is the number.. here is what you can do.. etc. etc. if you would like to have announcement in the paper. The paper would benefit finanically by doing this and parents are presented with the option. JMO As I already stated.. I doubt you will find one for Christine's child since she feared for the safety of the child because of the disappearance. But.. lack of the announcement does NOT mean that there is no child.

I wanted to add this.. as I was just thinking about when my youngest was born and remembered that hospital had like a web nursery where I could send family members to see photos of the baby and his birth announcement. Maybe that is the way things are going more these days and why you don't see so many announcements in the paper. So, I don't think an announcement will be found.

[MystryPhobia]

GAWD! Nick is young enough to be my son and in fact IS my son's age! How could you turn my wanting to help him through his situation into something so mind sickening? If Nick showed up lost and/or distraught, yes, I would help him out. I would not hide him but I also would not make him go straight home. I would listen to him without prejudice, let him rest, play a few video games and then we would decide what the best course of action would be. At this point we have been told by LE he has done nothing illegal. What we don't know is whether or not he has actually done anything morally wrong. I don't necessarily have to be Christian in order to hold my hand out for Nick to hang onto and there is definitely nothing wrong in my desire to do so. No, I do not condone anyone just up and leaving without notice because they tired of being a parent. I am a single parent myself and understand how hard it is to raise children alone...however we do not know both sides of the story. We don't even know the true story of what made Nick go missing that night.
As I said.. I think I took what you said wrong!

[SilverDove]

Going back to this post...something else changed...the resignation from Mars Hill. So that is two things that are different....

Resignation from Mars Hill
Announcement of a new baby

It was also the night before Valentines day one of the top days for ends and beginnings of relationships.

[RainyNiteNTx]

It was also the night before Valentines day one of the top days for ends and beginnings of relationships.

True, but we were trying to determine what was different in Nicholas' life in February 2008 since Christine stated his secret life had been going on for years.

People do begin and end relationships around Valentines but I would have thought Nicholas would have at least taken a change of clothes. So the only things we know that were different that Valentines from the other Valentines is:

Resignation from Mars Hill Church
Announcement of a new baby
Promotion at his job

IMO

[SeekingTruth]

as for a change of clothes i guess if he really wanted to leave and it was spur of the moment he may have figured he could just buy new clothes. especially since he would be hiding anyway. also it may not have bothered him to be in the same clothes for a few days. most men don't care about stuff like that if the need calls.

[CaresForKids]

True, but we were trying to determine what was different in Nicholas' life in February 2008 since Christine stated his secret life had been going on for years.

People do begin and end relationships around Valentines but I would have thought Nicholas would have at least taken a change of clothes. So the only things we know that were different that Valentines from the other Valentines is:

Resignation from Mars Hill Church
Announcement of a new baby
Promotion at his job

IMO
I thought the promotion came in the Fall of the previous year and that he hadn't gotten the raise in salary yet as he was still under probation in the position?

As for the resignation from the church, why is the reason such a secret when everything else is being slurred all over the internet? That too could be a key piece of information as to why Nick went missing.

There was also an alleged pregnancy and miscarriage 6 months prior to this pregnancy announcement.

[SilverDove]

True, but we were trying to determine what was different in Nicholas' life in February 2008 since Christine stated his secret life had been going on for years.

People do begin and end relationships around Valentines but I would have thought Nicholas would have at least taken a change of clothes. So the only things we know that were different that Valentines from the other Valentines is:

Resignation from Mars Hill Church
Announcement of a new baby
Promotion at his job

IMO
Why does it have to be different to have had an effect? It could have been the holiday itself. He might have looked at the fact that it was going to be another Valentines day and he wasn't happy with who he was with any more. He might have even met someone he was interested in who said leave by Valentines or else it is over. There are many things about the night before Valentines day that could have caused him to leave even if it wasn't different. So if he left that day could have had something to do with it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

as for a change of clothes i guess if he really wanted to leave and it was spur of the moment he may have figured he could just buy new clothes. especially since he would be hiding anyway. also it may not have bothered him to be in the same clothes for a few days. most men don't care about stuff like that if the need calls.

Same clothes for a few days?? He has been missing for over a year. Plus he only had what $54.00? That would not buy very many new clothes.

[CaresForKids]

as for a change of clothes i guess if he really wanted to leave and it was spur of the moment he may have figured he could just buy new clothes. especially since he would be hiding anyway. also it may not have bothered him to be in the same clothes for a few days. most men don't care about stuff like that if the need calls.

How many men do you know who have gone missing and didn't care about a change of clothes?? :ohmy:

[Musterion]

Why does it have to be different to have had an effect? It could have been the holiday itself. He might have looked at the fact that it was going to be another Valentines day and he wasn't happy with who he was with any more. He might have even met someone he was interested in who said leave by Valentines or else it is over. There are many things about the night before Valentines day that could have caused him to leave even if it wasn't different. So if he left that day could have had something to do with it.

I agree that Valentine's Day could be important in this missing person's case.

Valentine's Day seems to be, generally, more important to women.

If a wife finds out that her husband was unfaithful to her, that day could have meant a day to end the betrayal. Possible?

Or maybe, that day was a day that someone wanted a wife to end her relationship with her husband. They could have said now or never, as you said?

Just throwing out some possibilities. All hypothetical.

IMO.
M.

[SeekingTruth]

Same clothes for a few days?? He has been missing for over a year. Plus he only had what $54.00? That would not buy very many new clothes.

right but if he left on his own accord who knows what plans he had. he could have had a stash of money or had a change of clothes. Also it has been a year and if he left by his own volition then I doubt he is still wearing the same clothes.

[SeekingTruth]

How many men do you know who have gone missing and didn't care about a change of clothes?? :ohmy:

well if he chose to leave..... then he isn't missing he just doesn't want to be found.

[CaresForKids]

well if he chose to leave..... then he isn't missing he just doesn't want to be found.

Yes but you said most men don't care about their clothes in these situations. I was wondering how you knew this. Do you know several men who have gone missing or have walked or what?

[Musterion]

http://grow.corsakti.com/?p=10

"Francisco is a nice guy, extremely talented at his job, helpful and friendly to everyone online, and seemingly the quintessential family man. He has always spoken so happily of his family and clearly they were his life. there is no chance that he has deliberately left them. I am worried about him right now, hoping he is alright."

[Musterion]

well if he chose to leave..... then he isn't missing he just doesn't want to be found.

Does it not even bother you, one scintilla, that Nicholas could be deteriorating in a roadside ditch somewhere? That he could be just a suit of bones?

What kind of person, not knowing for sure the fate of a missing person, could speak so coldly especially when they professed to love that person? Can love be turned on and off so quickly?

So, you're hurt, you've been betrayed. Okay, understandable. But, the coldness, the lack of any compassion, empathy astounds me. The hatred and the anger. Whatever happened to good old biblical love and forgiveness? Hating the sin and loving our fellow sinner, knowing we are imperfect as well?

I'm not speaking glibly. I have had to face similar circumstances as this missing person's family has. I had to look beyond my pain, beyond my feelings of hatred and vengeance and look at myself through God's eyes to see that I was no better than the person's who almost killed my very soul from betrayal.

Talking the talk but not walking the walk? Why bother with church?

I don't understand this.

God have mercy.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Harlett posted on 10/7 that Christine had the baby. She NEVER states when she had the child.. just that she did and that they were both doing fine. I guess I can see how someone could take that as when she had the baby but that isn't true. The baby was born in August.

There may be a slight problem, then, on Christine saying she told Nicholas she was pregnant on his birthday.

Nicholas' birthday is 23 January.

According to Christine, she said that her baby had been born six weeks early. From what you are saying, the baby was born in August. Let's say 31 August. That would make the due date on 12 October, if the baby was born six weeks early. This is all according to what she's said.

Now, according to this:

http://www.justmommies.com/duedate.shtml

12 October due date would mean 20 January conception.

Maybe I got it wrong. But, unless there was a vision from God telling Christine that she was three days pregnant, there would be just no way she could have known she was pregnant and able to tell Nicholas, truthfully, that they were going to have their third child.

I'm open to correction, if I got any of the dates wrong. I hope I am wrong.

JMO.
M.