Michelle Fisher Young 3-3-09

[achristie]

Tia,

It could also be that whoever told LE of those acts was a friend of Jasons who still stood by him in the early days and has had a change of heart now. If I thought a friend had been falsely targetted for a crime, I might not volunteer information which, with that outlook I didn't think was permanent. However, if after a period of time, I came to realize my friend wasn't as innocent as I had thought, I'd sing like a canary.

That's an interesting thought. Didn't someone post that LE was in Brevard for several days just recently interviewing his friends?

[5swab5]

The fact that no names have been given to these so called friends tells me they just want their few minutes of fame. Funny how they have come forward 2 years after the murder.


Gonna be hard to claim their few minutes of fame, since they themselves are unnamed. :rolleyes: MOO

[Tia]

Tia,

It could also be that whoever told LE of those acts was a friend of Jasons who still stood by him in the early days and has had a change of heart now. If I thought a friend had been falsely targetted for a crime, I might not volunteer information which, with that outlook I didn't think was permanent. However, if after a period of time, I came to realize my friend wasn't as innocent as I had thought, I'd sing like a canary.

Good point Leanne.

I bet any friends who were still supporting him have come to see the light.

JMO

[alterEgo©]

Did you read the email he sent Michelle?
He threatened to KILL HER.

Thats verbal abuse.
Oh c'mom. People say 'I could just kill you' without it being an actual threat all the time.

Just like 'coming down from a high' doesn't mean a high from illicit drugs.

[Leanne Weich]

Not to mention punching a hole in the wall and ripping a door of the hinges!

MOO Aggie

It's puts the manner and brutality of Michelle's murder into perspective, doesn't it? For a person with apparent anger issues, it isn't hard to believe he committed this heinous act.

More than ever before, I'm so thankful that Meredith will be responsible for Cassidy's upbringing on an almost permanent basis, in the not too distant future. If Jason couldn't control himself with a young child, God alone knows what he'd do if he encountered the usual teenage problems a parent generally does with Cassidy in years to come.

[Tia]

Not to mention punching a hole in the wall and ripping a door off the hinges!

MOO Aggie

Very scary, IMO.

I sure hope he "center of his world" wasn't around when he was behaving like that.





JMO

[alterEgo©]

Not to mention punching a hole in the wall and ripping a door off the hinges!

MOO AggieWhat a feat! He must be superman.

[Tia]

Oh Man,

That's what I always like to see. A loving dad that takes his child to the swimming pool with the intention of "letting the beer kick in".

Watering down adult meds is obviously not the first time that Jason played russian roulette with Cassidy's life. MOO


Apparently not.

Wow.

I just can't believe him.

Poor Cassidy.

[Leanne Weich]

Oh c'mom. People say 'I could just kill you' without it being an actual threat all the time.

Just like 'coming down from a high' doesn't mean a high from illicit drugs.

Usually one would say "I could just kill you" in a jesting manner - not when one is clearly in a state of anger - especially when your anger is as a result of the center of your world. Then again, maybe an abusive husband would say it on a pretty regular basis to keep one in line - who knows. Jason's true colours aren't too pretty, imo. I honestly didn't think I could have a worse opinion of him than I did after his WDS and Custody debacles but this has pushed to an even lower point.

[Leanne Weich]

What a feat! He must be superman.

Not really. it is amazing what one is capable of when in a rage. Even down to knocking out someone's teeth, imo.

[Doorbell]

Oh c'mom. People say 'I could just kill you' without it being an actual threat all the time.

Just like 'coming down from a high' doesn't mean a high from illicit drugs.

It is STILL verbal abuse.

[Doorbell]

What a feat! He must be superman.

It's amazing, what a bit of anger can do to the strength of a large and athletic man.

IMO

[Tia]

Oh c'mom. People say 'I could just kill you' without it being an actual threat all the time.

Just like 'coming down from a high' doesn't mean a high from illicit drugs.


True, but the person that is told "I could kill you", usually doesn't end up beaten to death while the person who made the comment is conveniently out of town.




JMO

[alterEgo©]

"If Jason was verbally abusive, it doesn't mean Michelle was an abused woman".

Sorry, that makes no sense.

The more glimpses I get into this guys life, the more of a creep I think he is.

In his email to Michelle, he threatened to kill her.

The over-all big picture is that Jason was a horrible human being to his wife and child, IMO.
Absolutely it makes sense. If Michelle yelled back at him and said not-so-nice things, does that make him an abused man? Of course not!

The only glimpse you are getting is one that paints him in the worst possible light in order to sustain a warrant.

"I could kill you" is not a threat of murder as there is no clear intent. Sheesh.

[alterEgo©]

Oh Man,

That's what I always like to see. A loving dad that takes his child to the swimming pool with the intention of "letting the beer kick in".

Watering down adult meds is obviously not the first time that Jason played russian roulette with Cassidy's life. MOO
uh...wasn't the swimming pool in the back yard? A little inflatable one? I thought there were pictures of Cassidy splashing around in it.

[Doorbell]

Absolutely it makes sense. If Michelle yelled back at him and said not-so-nice things, does that make him an abused man? Of course not!

The only glimpse you are getting is one that paints him in the worst possible light in order to sustain a warrant.

"I could kill you" is not a threat of murder as there is no clear intent. Sheesh.

We have heard that they had loud fights.

Until now, we had not heard the sort of thing he would say to her. We have not heard what she would say to him.

Arguing with an abuser does not constitute abuse, of itself.

IMO

[5swab5]

What a feat! He must be superman.

A dad is supposed to be your caped hero. He doesn't give you adult medicines or take you to the pool while "waiting for beer to kick in".

A loving dad doesn't have you cowering in corners while he destroys sheetrock and rips door off hinges either. MOO

[alterEgo©]

True, but the person that is told "I could kill you", usually doesn't end up beaten to death while the person who made the comment is conveniently out of town.




JMOTrue, but it's not like it was a 24-hour period between the msg and her murder.

[Doorbell]

uh...wasn't the swimming pool in the back yard? A little inflatable one? I thought there were pictures of Cassidy splashing around in it.

"I am taking beer and her to pool.

Doesn't sound like the backyard, to me.

[5swab5]

(snipped)

"I could kill you" is not a threat of murder as there is no clear intent. Sheesh.

Sheesh, isn't Michelle dead enough for you? MOO

[alterEgo©]

A dad is supposed to be your caped hero. He doesn't give you adult medicines or take you to the pool while "waiting for beer to kick in".

A loving dad doesn't have you cowering in corners while he destroys sheetrock and rips door off hinges either. MOOOh well please do show where Michelle and/or Cassidy was EVER cowering in the corner.

[alterEgo©]

Sheesh, isn't Michelle dead enough for you? MOOOh for crying out loud, what a completely uncalled for remark.

:rolleyes:

I'm done with you.

[Stellagant]

Thanks Tia!

Wonder when they will have the actual SW up.

Good question. I'm wondering if this latest warrant does state they don't have hotel video of him returning that night. If he never left, they wouldn't have security video of him returning.

[alterEgo©]

"I am taking beer and her to pool.

Doesn't sound like the backyard, to me.
You know of any public pools that allow you to bring beer?

[Tia]

Absolutely it makes sense. If Michelle yelled back at him and said not-so-nice things, does that make him an abused man? Of course not!

The only glimpse you are getting is one that paints him in the worst possible light in order to sustain a warrant.

"I could kill you" is not a threat of murder as there is no clear intent. Sheesh.

I'm not arguing this all day. From what the friends say, he treated her and Cassidy like garbage IMO.

He was violent (beating in the walls) and verbally abusive (threatening to kill Michelle), mentally abusive (finding another woman's panties in HER bed).

Maybe some people would think that is just to treat their spouse that way, I happen to disagree.

IMO, it seems as if he hated her and his daughter.




JMO

[Leanne Weich]

You know of any public pools that allow you to bring beer?

Wasn't there a pool for the residents of their complex/sub-division?

[Doorbell]

Oh well please do show where Michelle and/or Cassidy was EVER cowering in the corner.

If my husband or father was ripping a door off the hinges, or putting his fist through walls, I'd be cowering.

I am hoping that Cassidy did not witness that. It's bad enough that he did it at all.

[Tia]

"I am taking beer and her to pool.

Doesn't sound like the backyard, to me.

Enchated Oaks had a pool and clubhouse IIRC. I had assumed thats where he took Cassidy and his beer.


JMO

[5swab5]

Oh well please do show where Michelle and/or Cassidy was EVER cowering in the corner.

No one is going to just stand there and wait to be collateral damage when a man is out of control enough to start ripping doors off hinges and punching holes in walls. The "flight" reflex kicks in. MOO

[Stellagant]

uh...wasn't the swimming pool in the back yard? A little inflatable one? I thought there were pictures of Cassidy splashing around in it.

He might have meant the neighborhood pool that was very close by. It does sound like Michelle was away and Jason was juggling yard work, Cassidy and a power outage. It's quite a leap to believe he murdered his wife because she didn't allow him to finish yard work.

[alterEgo©]

I'm not arguing this all day. From what the friends say, he treated her and Cassidy like garbage IMO.

He was violent (beating in the walls) and verbally abusive (threatening to kill Michelle), mentally abusive (finding another woman's panties in HER bed).

Maybe some people would think that is just to treat their spouse that way, I happen to disagree.

IMO, it seems as if he hated her and his daughter.




JMOI never said the allegations of how he treated her were ideal or just fine. But that does not make her an abused woman. She yelled back - that is not fear of retaliation which is the cornerstone of an abused person.

[Barbara2]

Enchated Oaks had a pool and clubhouse IIRC. I had assumed thats where he took Cassidy and his beer.


JMO

I know that there are some that allow beer, just not glass bottles.

[Stellagant]

Oh well please do show where Michelle and/or Cassidy was EVER cowering in the corner.

Sounds like he took his frustrations out on inantimate objects rather than living ones.

[alterEgo©]

If my husband or father was ripping a door off the hinges, or putting his fist through walls, I'd be cowering.

I am hoping that Cassidy did not witness that. It's bad enough that he did it at all.When did this sheet rock punching and door ripping event take place?

[Doorbell]

You know of any public pools that allow you to bring beer?

Subdivision pools have different rules. They are not technically public, as homeowners have key cards to get in.

Unless, of course, Jason propped the gate with a rock.

IMO

[alterEgo©]

Sounds like he took his frustrations out on inantimate objects rather than living ones.
Or someone exaggerated.

[Stellagant]

I never said the allegations of how he treated her were ideal or just fine. But that does not make her an abused woman. She yelled back - that is not fear of retaliation which is the cornerstone of an abused person.

It certainly is. He also didn't isolate her from family and friends, which is another cornerstone of an abused person.

[alterEgo©]

Subdivision pools have different rules. They are not technically public, as homeowners have key cards to get in.

Unless, of course, Jason propped the gate with a rock.

IMOOurs has a no alcohol rule. Guess they are all different.

thanks for the info on the neighborhood pool, I didn't know there was one.

[Barbara2]

Or someone exaggerated.

If it was as bad as it sounds, I have to believe Michelle would have brought it up with her therapist. We may not know all the details but I'm sure that LE has that information.

[Doorbell]

Sounds like he took his frustrations out on inantimate objects rather than living ones.

So that makes it OK, then? To frighten your family like that?

[Stellagant]

Or someone exaggerated.

Sure, that's possible. I wonder where Michelle went that she left Jason to care for Cassidy and they communicated via email? I doubt the trip to the pool was around the time of the murder, because of the weather.

[Doorbell]

It certainly is. He also didn't isolate her from family and friends, which is another cornerstone of an abused person.

Not every abuser does everything on the list of possible abuses.

[Tia]

Sounds like he took his frustrations out on inantimate objects rather than living ones.


At least around other people.



JMO

[5swab5]

I know that there are some that allow beer, just not glass bottles.

I have only lived in 4 complexes that had club houses and pools in N.C., but the rules were always the same. Beer or alcoholic beverages to be in huggies and non-breakable containers. MOO

[alterEgo©]

It certainly is. He also didn't isolate her from family and friends, which is another cornerstone of an abused person.
Oh yeah, there is that too.

[Stellagant]

So that makes it OK, then? To frighten your family like that?

Doesn't say it was in front of his family. :rolleyes:

[Leanne Weich]

I bet if the same allegations as have been made against Jason were made against someone else who had not been chosen as the recipient of blind devotion by some people, those same people would be horrified at the behaviour of anyone else. Seems, no matter what Jason does, some can find a justification for it. I guess if and when he is convicted, there'll be more justifications and excuses.

[Tia]

So that makes it OK, then? To frighten your family like that?


It sure appears that way. So much energy goes into vilifying the Fisher's, picking apart every tiny thing, but its seems no matter what Jason does or says, there is an excuse for it!!!

JMO

[Stellagant]

Not every abuser does everything on the list of possible abuses.

There are a couple of things that are always on the list.

I've still not seen evidence that Michelle Young was an abused wife.

[Doorbell]

Doesn't say it was in front of his family. :rolleyes:

Some fights lasted for hours, the woman said, and Jason Young once punched holes in a wall and ripped a door off its hinges.

In context, it sounds as if it was part of a fight.

IMO

[alterEgo©]

Not every abuser does everything on the list of possible abuses.
Isolation is not an any list of possible abuses. It's a method to maintain power and control.

[Stellagant]

Some fights lasted for hours, the woman said, and Jason Young once punched holes in a wall and ripped a door off its hinges.

In context, it sounds as if it was part of a fight.

IMO

We still don't know the context.

[Doorbell]

There are a couple of things that are always on the list.

I've still not seen evidence that Michelle Young was an abused wife.

Ripping doors off and punching holes in walls IS abuse.

[Doorbell]

Isolation is not an any list of possible abuses. It's a method to maintain power and control.

Using such methods to maintain power and control is abuse.

[Doorbell]

We still don't know the context.

I am referring to the context of the quote in the article.

[Stellagant]

Ripping doors off and punching holes in walls IS abuse.

if that is so, why didn't Meredith or these anonymous friends step in and try to stop it?

[alterEgo©]

So that makes it OK, then? To frighten your family like that?Wait a minute - who was frightened?

Are we to believe that Jason was so violent as to rip a door off it's hinges and punch the walls and in doing so frightened his family so much that Michelle didn't even bother to make a police report or leave him?

And her family and friends did nothing to intervene?

Seriously?

[alterEgo©]

if that is so, why didn't Meredith or these anonymous friends step in and try to stop it?that in and of itself is baffling.

[Stellagant]

Wait a minute - who was frightened?

Are we to believe that Jason was so violent as to rip a door off it's hinges and punch the walls and in doing so frightened his family so much that Michelle didn't even bother to make a police report or leave him?

Seriously?

And Meredith and all their friends and family knew of this abuse and did absolutely nothing? GMAB.

[Doorbell]

Abuse is physical, sexual, emotional, economic or psychological actions or threats of actions that influence another person. This includes any behaviors that frighten, intimidate, terrorize, manipulate, hurt, humiliate, blame, injure or wound someone.

http://www.ndvh.org/get-educated/what-is-domestic-violence/

[alterEgo©]

Using such methods to maintain power and control is abuse.
Ok...........

[Doorbell]

And Meredith and all their friends and family knew of this abuse and did absolutely nothing? GMAB.

Maybe only the one person knew.

Maybe the counselor knew.

Maybe Michelle had told Jason she was leaving, and that was the catalyst that prompted the murder.

I agree that there is a lot we don't know.

[Stellagant]

that in and of itself is baffling.

If somebody has made the allegations, LE has to check it out before they can rule him out. Sounds like the best they could come up with was the email about the power outage.

[Tia]

that in and of itself is baffling.

I can't believe this.

Is this just a game to abuse Meredith? How can Meredith's name even come into this? Did anyone read the article? The past warrants?


Poor Meredith.


JMO

[Stellagant]

Maybe only the one person knew.

Maybe the counselor knew.

Maybe Michelle had told Jason she was leaving, and that was the catalyst that prompted the murder.

I agree that there is a lot we don't know.

Or maybe it never happened at all. Kinda like the ring swallowing or boating "accident" that has yet to mentioned by LE.

[alterEgo©]

And Meredith and all their friends and family knew of this abuse and did absolutely nothing? GMAB.
I guess not.

They didn't even claim abuse in the WDS or custody compliant.

[Tia]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4712532/

"Friends also told investigators that Jason Young told them he was "sick of" his wife, that she was "driving him crazy."

[alterEgo©]

I can't believe this.

Is this just a game to abuse Meredith? How can Meredith's name even come into this? Did anyone read the article? The past warrants?


Poor Meredith.


JMO
Huh? :confused:

[Stellagant]

I guess not.

They didn't even claim abuse in the WDS or custody compliant.

Nope. If there was even a hint of abuse, LE would have stepped in and notified CPS immediately after the murder.

[Tia]

Huh? :confused:


It looks like the JII's are posting that if Michelle was abused, Meredith was responsible for reporting it.

That is really, really unfair and makes me think that the seriousness of this case is not the reason some are here. IMO, any opportunity to bash the victim's family seems to be quite fun for some.

JMO

[5swab5]

Or maybe it never happened at all. Kinda like the ring swallowing or boating "accident" that has yet to mentioned by LE.

Don't give up hope yet. An astounding number of "early reports" have panned out to be true.MOO

[Stellagant]

Don't give up hope yet. An astounding number of "early reports" have panned out to be true.MOO

I still have hope. When somebody is so bold as to admit drug use on the public Internet, I think it's only a matter of time before it pans out to be true.

[5swab5]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4712532/

"Friends also told investigators that Jason Young told them he was "sick of" his wife, that she was "driving him crazy."

Yet another "rumor" on a message board that is now in black and white. I don't think I have ever followed a case where SO many of the early rumors have turned out to be true. Astounding. MOO

[Tia]

Don't give up hope yet. An astounding number of "early reports" have panned out to be true.MOO

So true Swabby!

[achristie]

Yet another "rumor" on a message board that is now in black and white. I don't think I have ever followed a case where SO many of the early rumors have turned out to be true. Astounding. MOO

Yes, Swabby, I remember that early rumor, too. Wasn't it from a co-worker?

MOO Aggie

[alterEgo©]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4712532/

"Friends also told investigators that Jason Young told them he was "sick of" his wife, that she was "driving him crazy."That certainly goes hand in hand with the allegation of 'escalating disharmony in the marriage' made in the WDS.

I wonder how many men have made the same type of comment whose wives didn't end up murdered.

Not that I'm making any excuse for the comments, mind you.

[alterEgo©]

It looks like the JII's are posting that if Michelle was abused, Meredith was responsible for reporting it.

That is really, really unfair and makes me think that the seriousness of this case is not the reason some are here. IMO, any opportunity to bash the victim's family seems to be quite fun for some.

JMOWell I don't know why you think that.

The point is that IF Michelle was abused as some have claimed as fact, then her friends and family, especially those that knew about the door ripped from it's hinges and the punched walls, did not intervene in any way shape or form.

[5swab5]

Yes, Swabby, I remember that early rumor, too. Wasn't it from a co-worker?

MOO Aggie


I can't remember the specifics about the poster, just the post. These new revelations really have me wondering about the automobile accident and the boating rumor again. I have a feeling that our best shot at sorting those two out, will be when we know what is in the therapist's notes.

Everything is sure falling in line nicely. MOO

[alterEgo©]

Nope. If there was even a hint of abuse, LE would have stepped in and notified CPS immediately after the murder.
I'm astounded that the door ripping and wall punching was NOT mentioned in the custody complaint or the WDS.

[Stellagant]

That certainly goes hand in hand with the allegation of 'escalating disharmony in the marriage' made in the WDS.

I wonder how many men have made the same type of comment whose wives didn't end up murdered.

Not that I'm making any excuse for the comments, mind you.

It is interesting that none of these allegations appear in either the WDS or custody lawsuits. Makes it even more shocking that the Fishers would know this and yet drop their request for a psych evaluation before Jason's deadline to respond.

[Stellagant]

I'm astounded that the door ripping and wall punching was NOT mentioned in the custody complaint or the WDS.

I'm astounded, too. Something is amiss. Somebody is making these allegations to LE, forcing them to investigate but if there was any substance at all to them, he would have been indicted long ago.

The Fishers and LE don't appear to be on the same page anymore.

[alterEgo©]

According to the SW, the person claiming a door was ripped of it's hinges dated Jason and Michelle's roommate.

When did they have a roommate???

[jerry50]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4712532/

"Friends also told investigators that Jason Young told them he was "sick of" his wife, that she was "driving him crazy."


I remember this statement posted by an insider over a year ago and it was laughed at. By the time the trial starts we are going to find out that a lot of what was posted and scoffed at by the JII's will turn out to be true.

[Stellagant]

Well I don't know why you think that.

The point is that IF Michelle was abused as some have claimed as fact, then her friends and family, especially those that knew about the door ripped from it's hinges and the punched walls, did not intervene in any way shape or form.

Not only didn't they intervene to help Michelle, they did nothing to protect Cassidy after the murder.

[Tia]

I remember this statement posted by an insider over a year ago and it was laughed at. By the time the trial starts we are going to find out that a lot of what was posted and scoffed at by the JII's will turn out to be true.


Wait until you read the Warrants! What a cad!

OMG, he was horrible to both Michelle and Cassidy.


JMO

[jerry50]

Wait until you read the Warrants! What a cad!

OMG, he was horrible to both Michelle and Cassidy.


JMO


Just finished. Did everybody note that the alledged phone call and message from JY asking Meredith to go to the house had been recorded and saved.

[Tia]

Just finished. Did everybody note that the alledged phone call and message from JY asking Meredith to go to the house had been recorded and saved.


Sure did!!! Page 2!

There goes another JII theory out the window!!


JMO

[alterEgo©]

I'm curious as to why all the names are XX'd out except Michelle Money and Carol Ann Sowerby.

[Stellagant]

Just finished. Did everybody note that the alledged phone call and message from JY asking Meredith to go to the house had been recorded and saved.

yep. Also note that LE still haven't confirmed the message was left at the time Meredith says it was left.

[5swab5]

yep. Also note that LE still haven't confirmed the message was left at the time Meredith says it was left.


Grasping at straws must get tedious. MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Yet another "rumor" on a message board that is now in black and white. I don't think I have ever followed a case where SO many of the early rumors have turned out to be true. Astounding. MOO

Amazing that the early rumors put out there by people who felt he is guilty have for the most part panned out yet those we were told about by JY's defenders have come to nothing. I still believe the day he is arrested, we will hear some really horrible things about the SLAYER from people who he thinks are his friends.

[alterEgo©]

It is not letting me open the warrants...but, I do see one is for his Bebo account. Didn't we figure out on another message board that JY is still friends with MM and various others on Bebo?
(did you get them to open?)

[5swab5]

Just finished. Did everybody note that the alledged phone call and message from JY asking Meredith to go to the house had been recorded and saved.

Great Catch! I am guilty of scanning over that. WOW. Another excuse for Jason bites the dust. MOO

[Tia]

What is the hold up?

Is LE going to wait until he meets some other woman, gets her pregnant and kills her?




JMO

[beamer]

What did you read in this warrant that you didn't know years ago? I read nothing different.

Oh so you knew long ago that MM wished her baby would be Jason's?
And you knew someone had left there panties in his bed and they were not his wife's? Ok you must be a mind reader to have known all this.

[Leanne Weich]

Oh so you knew long ago that MM wished her baby would be Jason's?
And you knew someone had left there panties in his bed and they were not his wife's? Ok you must be a mind reader to have known all this.

Sure they did, just like they knew that he didn't have an affair with Michelle Money. Don't you remember the excuses : how can you tell it was Jason and not Michelle talking to MM or LE said he was having a relationship with MM but didn't say it was a romantic relationship and that those of us who said LE was referring to an affair were just throwing everything out that we could to make Jason look bad? Too bad for Jason that we didn't have to fabricate anything - he made himself look bad then and continues to do today - 2+ years later.

[5swab5]

Well someoe said earlier today this could be old news to LE and it looks like it is. These XX friends said this stuff in 2007. LE couldn't have taken it very seriously. They seem to just keep these little tidbits of information laying around in order to get another warrant. Wonder what else they can get a warrant for? Wonder when its going to hit them they are barking up the wrong tree?


I hardly consider them barking up the wrong tree, when they have their prey right there. MOO

[5swab5]

I find it amusing that there is a certain forum that will have a conversation about something and a few days later thre is a warrant from LE covering the same thing. LE is either being lead by posters on a forum or LE is leaking information to posters before the warrants can be served and the posters can't keep their mouths shut. Remember the sirt lE looked for that was discussed just days before the warrant and now this. Look at the 4:59 PM post almost word for word with the warrant.


http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/11-vt131.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=250


GOOD! It appears that LE is leaving no stone unturned and no resource ignored in order to get the goods on a vicious slayer. MOO

[5swab5]

MM wishing her baby was JY's was in a warrant a long time ago. So yes I already knew that. I take the panty story as just that a story. If its true put your name out there on it not XX.

If a friend of yours was being investigated for brutally bludgeoning his wife and unborn child to death, and you had information pertinent to the investigation, would you want your name to be revealed to him. I sure wouldn't. MOO

Besides, it is SOP.

[Kat4Eagles]

Sure they did, just like they knew that he didn't have an affair with Michelle Money. Don't you remember the excuses : how can you tell it was Jason and not Michelle talking to MM or LE said he was having a relationship with MM but didn't say it was a romantic relationship and that those of us who said LE was referring to an affair were just throwing everything out that we could to make Jason look bad? Too bad for Jason that we didn't have to fabricate anything - he made himself look bad then and continues to do today - 2+ years later.



But, not bad enough to be arrested........

Now we are to believe that Michelle would stay in a horrible, horrible marriage knowing that Jason was possibly cheating, and just keep making excuses for everything? :rolleyes:

Excuses for his drinking, his temper and his fooling around?

Nahh, I am not buying that.........I don't think she would do that.

She had her Mother to go to in NY, her only sister lived close enough,.

Was going to live with either of them worse than living with Jason?

And, then she gets pregnant again?

This is making her sound like she had no mind of her own and no control over any part of this situation.

Was she that much in love with Jason that she didn't want to leave him?

This all looks real good on paper, but, again, none of this is new.

The email from Michelle to Jason was sad though.
You can tell she really cared about him and was trying to make things right.

I don't know any reason, if these allegations are true, why he has had not been arrested then, and why these allegations did not come forward in the wds and custody suit...

:shrug:

Kat

[beamer]

MM wishing her baby was JY's was in a warrant a long time ago. So yes I already knew that. I take the panty story as just that a story. If its true put your name out there on it not XX.

Are you saying LE is lieing?
Or the person who said this? LE don't make statements on search warrants that's not true. They have used the XX to protect this person. Who knows she could have been next on Jason's hit list for telling this had he found out who it was.
Th woman who left her panties is no better then the guy she jumped in bed with imo.

[Tia]

If a friend of yours was being investigated for brutally bludgeoning his wife and unborn child to death, and you had information pertinent to the investigation, would you want your name to be revealed to him. I sure wouldn't. MOO

Besides, it is SOP.

No way! I'd be scared to death he would do something to me!!

[Stellagant]

Well...I can tell you this. Even though they don't state it, they KNOW what time it came in and they KNOW what time she retrieved it. All verifiable. AND, if they know these things and still aren't batting an eyelash at Meredith (and they AREN'T)...then I am guessing her story checks out.

Grasp all you want, but at this point it is quite pathetic.

Did you notice they put that pesky old line in both the search warrants again? You know the one that "JY remains the primary suspect."

LE has never said JY is the only suspect.

Of course they know what time the message was left. You are assuming they are not batting an eyelash at Meredith. I don't know why you make that assumption when a sealed search warrant mentioned Meredith's inconsistent statements. You're right, you are just guessing her story checks out.

[Tia]

Are you saying LE is lieing?
Or the person who said this? LE don't make statements on search warrants that's not true. They have used the XX to protect this person. Who knows she could have been next on Jason's hit list for telling this had he found out who it was.
Th woman who left her panties is no better then the guy she jumped in bed with imo.


He is disgusting IMO.

According to one of the search warrants, Michelle may have been considering a divorce.

I have always thought that, based on his behavior, she wanted one but was afraid of him.

It appears she had every reason to fear him.

JMO

[Barbara2]

What did you read in this warrant that you didn't know years ago? I read nothing different.

The things that I learned from the latest warrants:
Jason has a temper and has made threats against Michelle prior to the murder (even if some want to excuse that type of threat as "he didn't really mean it".)

The amount of gas needed for him to make that trip is more than what is accounted for in his gas receipts.

There are more flings in his past than just one.

They have electronic verification of the voicemail left for Meredith that day to go pick up the pieces of paper.

[Tia]

The things that I learned from the latest warrants:
Jason has a temper and has made threats against Michelle prior to the murder (even if some want to excuse that type of threat as "he didn't really mean it".)

The amount of gas needed for him to make that trip is more than what is accounted for in his gas receipts.

There are more flings in his past than just one.

They have electronic verification of the voicemail left for Meredith that day to go pick up the pieces of paper.


Great news that there is verification of the voicemail. Puts the whole theory that there was only Meredith's word that Jason contacted her to rest!! Finally!!

So I assume they can't find anyone to identify him at any of the gas stations he may have stopped at to get gas, with cash?

[Leanne Weich]

But, not bad enough to be arrested........

Now we are to believe that Michelle would stay in a horrible, horrible marriage knowing that Jason was possibly cheating, and just keep making excuses for everything? :rolleyes:

Excuses for his drinking, his temper and his fooling around?

Nahh, I am not buying that.........I don't think she would do that.

She had her Mother to go to in NY, her only sister lived close enough,.

Was going to live with either of them worse than living with Jason?

And, then she gets pregnant again?

This is making her sound like she had no mind of her own and no control over any part of this situation.

Was she that much in love with Jason that she didn't want to leave him?

This all looks real good on paper, but, again, none of this is new.

The email from Michelle to Jason was sad though.
You can tell she really cared about him and was trying to make things right.

I don't know any reason, if these allegations are true, why he has had not been arrested then, and why these allegations did not come forward in the wds and custody suit...

:shrug:

Kat

Kat, my first marriage was extremely abusive. I hid as much as I could from my family and friends. Sure, they knew little things but not the major things. My folks begged me for years to leave but I wouldn't. I'd grown up in a broken home and hated my mom for leaving my dad - even though as an adult I realised how lucky I was to have an exceptional step-dad. I swore I'd never get divorced unless my kids were in real physical danger. I left after my ex-h raped me at knife point, stabbing me in the process and finding my DD hiding under her bed. When I went for counselling thereafter, the counsellor said it is very common for a woman who comes from a divorced family and is abused to stay much longer than someone from, for example, an intact family would. Abusive men lead you to believe it is your fault that they treat you so badly and with it constantly pounded into your head, you begin to believe it so you just keep trying harder and harder to be a better wife. I found out I was pregnant with my 2nd child a month after leaving.

I doubt we'll ever know why Michelle stayed or decided to have another child. I also wouldn't be surprised if Linda and/or Meredith knew they had problems but not the extent of the problems.

[Barbara2]

Great news that there is verification of the voicemail. Puts the whole theory that there was only Meredith's word that Jason contacted her to rest!! Finally!!

So I assume they can't find anyone to identify him at any of the gas stations he may have stopped at to get gas, with cash?

It doesn't make sense for him to not get a receipt for a gas purchase since he was on a business trip. The only reason to pay cash is to hide the amount of gas being purchased. There is only one reason I can think of for him doing that.

[Barbara2]

I don't think they were XXed out on JY's copy. I think LE just did that for the paper. JY has a right IMO to know who is telling stories about him.

I honestly don't believe that Jason has a right to know anything. Unless and until he is arrested, there is no disclosure required.

[Stellagant]

Well someoe said earlier today this could be old news to LE and it looks like it is. These XX friends said this stuff in 2007. LE couldn't have taken it very seriously. They seem to just keep these little tidbits of information laying around in order to get another warrant. Wonder what else they can get a warrant for? Wonder when its going to hit them they are barking up the wrong tree?

LE may have taken it seriously enough to check it out although they don't say when it happened. They had lived in the house for over a year and some of it sounds like from the days they lived in the townhouse.

If LE found substance to it, they would have arrested him long ago. But, from the wording in the search warrants, none of these friends ever saw Jason physically hurt Michelle and one guy refused to characterize their arguments as anything more than just that.

They really must not have any evidence at all on Jason if they are still pursuing emails. I seriously doubt he'd refuse to talk to his own family about the murder but he'd chat about it on Bebo.

[Barbara2]

The gas thing is sorta like the possible blood on his car. It didn't say how much less they used or if it would have been enough for a trip to Raleigh and back. So I stored that in LE lingo column. Someone saying there may have been a fling while someone was walking his dog doesn't make a fling. So store that in gossip column. I have to give you the one on MF's voice mail. Wonder why she didn't tell 911 why she was there?

Her reason for being there would be considered extraneous information. There would be those who would be convinced that she was guilty if she had told the 911 operator why she came to the house. IMO

[Barbara2]

Barbara you are assumning they used more gas than he did . They didn't say which way it was. Another LE mystery.


Yes, it does say which way it went. You may need to read it more closely. Pay particular attention to the part about the extra gas that would have been used in getting lost.

[Kat4Eagles]

Oh, ok I got it. Kinda like the dog freaking out and I'm usually very good under stress or maybe Something like Cassie honey did mommy fall.


Yep, kinda like that.
:)
Kat

[Barbara2]

Oh, ok I got it. Kinda like the dog freaking out and I'm usually very good under stress or maybe Something like Cassie honey did mommy fall.

Yes, you are right. Her reason for being there did relate to the crime, but she didn't know it at the time. The other things mentioned do relate to the crime scene so in that sense none of them would have been considered extraneous.

[awareness]

Oh boy! Just keeps getting better for Jason Lynn Young, doesnt it? With each warrant that's released, more and more damning CE about Jason seems to come out.

And now we're back to discussing the 911 call.

Id rather discuss how Jason felt it was ok to leave his 2 year old daughter unattended in front of a TV while he went outside to do yardwork. Or how he'd "kill u" (HIS WORDS TO HIS NOW DEAD WIFE!). And lo and behold, yet another affair. Sounds like there's been a few affairs.

But really, keep talking about the 911 call its amusing to say the least.
:thumbsup:
JMO

[awareness]

Yes, it does say which way it went. You may need to read it more closely. Pay particular attention to the part about the extra gas that would have been used in getting lost.

Who's to say there isnt some random gas can he paid cash for at some point, that he used that night. He could have thrown it out along with the missing Orbital shoes, his shirt, etc.

Sounds like LE is getting close to arresting him as well.
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

LE may have taken it seriously enough to check it out although they don't say when it happened. They had lived in the house for over a year and some of it sounds like from the days they lived in the townhouse.

If LE found substance to it, they would have arrested him long ago. But, from the wording in the search warrants, none of these friends ever saw Jason physically hurt Michelle and one guy refused to characterize their arguments as anything more than just that.

They really must not have any evidence at all on Jason if they are still pursuing emails. I seriously doubt he'd refuse to talk to his own family about the murder but he'd chat about it on Bebo.


I guess people are looking back and seeing things that they may have missed or overlooked before, but you can't help wondering if things were really this bad, why someone did not interfere.?

Especially where CY was concerned and a new baby on the way.

I bet people who actually knew them most be having lots of regrets and sleepless nites...hearing all this.

I am glad I am not one of them.
:(

Kat

[Barbara2]

I found this timeline of the happenings before and after the murder . On this timeline JY gassed up then went back home. Perhaps he ran after gas while MY fixed dinner. Wonder how far it is from the gas station back home and then to the free way? Someone should point this out to LE like they did the Bebo account.

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01

I think that was based on a friend of Jason's giving information as to what happened that night. I don't know that there was ever any verification that he left home at 8. According to the SW, Jason stopped at the Cracker Barrel about 1 hour from Raleigh so it seems more likely that he had dinner there. That would fit with the time of him arriving at the Hampton Inn at 10:49 p.m.

[achristie]

Oh boy! Just keeps getting better for Jason Lynn Young, doesnt it? With each warrant that's released, more and more damning CE about Jason seems to come out.

And now we're back to discussing the 911 call.

Id rather discuss how Jason felt it was ok to leave his 2 year old daughter unattended in front of a TV while he went outside to do yardwork. Or how he'd "kill u" (HIS WORDS TO HIS NOW DEAD WIFE!). And lo and behold, yet another affair. Sounds like there's been a few affairs.

But really, keep talking about the 911 call its amusing to say the least.
:thumbsup:
JMO

I wonder how JY is feeling right now?
No wonder his mother accompanied him on all his trips with CY. Sounds like a wise decision on her part.

MOO Aggie

[Barbara2]

I wonder how JY is feeling right now?
No wonder his mother accompanied him on all his trips with CY. Sounds like a wise decision on her part.

MOO Aggie

I was thinking more about his mom. This has to be so hard on her to read these things about her son. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in her shoes. Obviously I feel even more for Michelle's mom and sister and what they have lost but Jason's mom has to be in a lot of emotional pain right now.

[Kat4Eagles]

I think that was based on a friend of Jason's giving information as to what happened that night. I don't know that there was ever any verification that he left home at 8. According to the SW, Jason stopped at the Cracker Barrel about 1 hour from Raleigh so it seems more likely that he had dinner there. That would fit with the time of him arriving at the Hampton Inn at 10:49 p.m.

Could someone who knows they were going to commit murder a few hours later, take the time to stop and eat a big dinner at CB?
:shrug:
Kat

[Barbara2]

We have reached 1000 posts. I started a new thread and emailed coldwater.

[Kat4Eagles]

I was thinking more about his mom. This has to be so hard on her to read these things about her son. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in her shoes. Obviously I feel even more for Michelle's mom and sister and what they have lost but Jason's mom has to be in a lot of emotional pain right now.


Especially , if they knew about it and did nothing.
Time for a new thread.
Kat

[Stellagant]

Oh, ok I got it. Kinda like the dog freaking out and I'm usually very good under stress or maybe Something like Cassie honey did mommy fall.

yeah, kinda like should I TRY to help her?

[daddydidit]

Is this another poem? Isnt it against TOS to post in that kind of format above? Kat, you would get more of my attention if you posted in a normal paragraph format JMO.

My thinking exactly - I was just wondering what part of SINGLE SPACE does she not understand. It's not that difficult to do.