Tuesday 3/3 - Haleigh Cummings

[beachpatty]

Here's a thread for today.

I so hope the searches will continue and/or someone will come forward with information. Somebody knows something, I pray their conscience works hard on them and they come forward with what they know.
Just like with Jessica Lunsford, the other people that lived in that trailer had knowledge yet they continued to remain silent, I wonder how they can sleep at night or even look in a mirror, knowing they had the ability to save poor little Jessica? One little tip, one short phone call, that's all it will take, Please God!

Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

Thanks for the new thread Beachpatty!


http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/A-Family-Divided/hPcC_oYoUkOfOZ52aiie7g.cspx


wow, you are on the ball, I just barely pasted the link!
I hope that the searchers and LE are as dedicated to finding Haleigh as we are!
Still cold here in Florida and still hoping Haleigh is safe and warm.
Beachpatty

[crymeariver2006]

Haleigh Cummings' dad gets tattoo honoring missing daughter

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-gets-tattoo-honoring-missing/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx

Video too.

Interesting.

[sickntired]

Was that Misty with him in that video? I'm trying not to judge, but I don't think getting a tattoo would be on my mind right now if I was in his position. And if what the people at the Tattoo shop said was true about him talking about all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing...that's a damn shame.:thumbdown:

[beachpatty]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html


I am not finding a video about Ron on that link? anyone knwo what I might be doing wrong?
tia
Beachpatty

[crymeariver2006]

Was that Misty with him in that video? I'm trying not to judge, but I don't think getting a tattoo would be on my mind right now if I was in his position. And if what the people at the Tattoo shop said was true about him talking about all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing...that's a damn shame.:thumbdown:


I couldn't tell if it was Misty or not. I tried enlarging the video because I thought whoever it was looked pregnant (and smoking). When it's enlarged, it looks like she has a piece of paper in front of her shirt. I've never seen Misty in anything but long sleeves.

But my glasses could need cleaning.

I'm always bothered by the fact that he never uses Haleigh's name, referring to her as "my child", "my daughter". Even in the video.

The tatoo doesn't even bear her name, only the words "Daddy's little girl".

More troubling is that he says in the video that he can't go anywhere and "do what he wants to do" because of cameras. And then, of course, at the end he throws in his usual "Baby I love you" (which IMO, always sounds like an afterthought), and again never refers to Haleigh by name.

How far is Pinellas Park from Satsuma?

[kitty1182]

I am not finding a video about Ron on that link? anyone knwo what I might be doing wrong?
tia
Beachpatty

I don't see it either..

[crymeariver2006]

The distance between Pinellas Park, FL and Satsuma, FL is 134.0 miles(216.0 km)

Thank you!

[DenVIP]

It disturbs me to see he would travel about 2 hrs from home for a tattoo....if my child was missing I couldn't leave the area.....and I love my tatttoos

[Texas48]

Here's a thread for today.

I so hope the searches will continue and/or someone will come forward with information. Somebody knows something, I pray their conscience works hard on them and they come forward with what they know.
Just like with Jessica Lunsford, the other people that lived in that trailer had knowledge yet they continued to remain silent, I wonder how they can sleep at night or even look in a mirror, knowing they had the ability to save poor little Jessica? One little tip, one short phone call, that's all it will take, Please God!

BeachpattyGood morning beachparty and ALL. I am so sad that the media is backing off of this case where a child needs to be found. It has to be the strangest most horrible feeling to one day have your child playing in front of you and the next day she/he is gone..like she never exsisted..no clues..I would at least believe that LE would hold a PC and give out info on the LDT..who passed/who did not pass.It seemed like the media picked up somewhat after GR stirred the pot. Maybe we need more of that..Where is Lenny when we need him? I can think of NO reason why LE would have ask media to back off. LE has no authority to do that.JMO

[playnice]

It disturbs me to see he would travel about 2 hrs from home for a tattoo....if my child was missing I couldn't leave the area.....and I love my tatttoos

Stunned. Is this the latest craze to get a tattoo after your child goes missing? At least it didnt say beautiful life.

[crymeariver2006]

It disturbs me to see he would travel about 2 hrs from home for a tattoo....if my child was missing I couldn't leave the area.....and I love my tatttoos

Didn't he vow to never leave the area?

Two hours there. How long would it take to get TWO tatoos, one that large?

I don't know anything about tatoos.

[playnice]

And to spend $400 on it? Even if someone else paid for it, that's alot of money for a tattoo

People donating money are probably doing it for food & bills .

[DenVIP]

the tat probably was about 4 hrs to do sketch transfer and ink

[crymeariver2006]

People donating money are probably doing it for food & bills .

You bet they are. After all, that's what the guy said that started the donation fund - that the family had "living expenses".

IMO, that's why Ron went so far away to get the tattoos.

[Texas48]

Haleigh Cummings' dad gets tattoo honoring missing daughter

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-gets-tattoo-honoring-missing/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx

Video too.

Interesting.Your right..very interesting. Very disturbing when you read"Investigators have no clues" What can a person do or say to help? We sit here on the computers and feel helpless and all the time knowing "SOMEONE knows something..SOMEONE knows what happened to this child." I can not understand how a family survives having their baby taken from them. Prayer is the only thing I can think of to help. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

the tat probably was about 4 hrs to do sketch transfer and ink

So about eight hours total, including drive time?

[crymeariver2006]

Your right..very interesting. Very disturbing when you read"Investigators have no clues" What can a person do or say to help? We sit here on the computers and feel helpless and all the time knowing "SOMEONE knows something..SOMEONE knows what happened to this child." I can not understand how a family survives having their baby taken from them. Prayer is the only thing I can think of to help. jmo

And a couple of tattoos! (Paid for with donated money of course).

:angry:

[DenVIP]

just a rough estimate.....but close.....too long for anyone to be gone if there child is still missing....unless you know they are not coming home

[Texas48]

It disturbs me to see he would travel about 2 hrs from home for a tattoo....if my child was missing I couldn't leave the area.....and I love my tatttoosITA Den..why would one think of a tattoo when their child is missing? I would not remember my name is one of my grandchildren kidnapped much less go and get a tattoo. To each his own. jmo

[HI_CYCLE]

Was that Misty with him in that video? I'm trying not to judge, but I don't think getting a tattoo would be on my mind right now if I was in his position. And if what the people at the Tattoo shop said was true about him talking about all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing...that's a damn shame.:thumbdown:sickntired,can you please post the link where the father talked about"all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing." TIA

[Texas48]

Stunned. Is this the latest craze to get a tattoo after your child goes missing? At least it didnt say beautiful life.I would be real worried if Ron got the same tattoo as KC did. jmo

[Texas48]

And to spend $400 on it? Even if someone else paid for it, that's alot of money for a tattooIMO that 400.00 could have been spent on something rather than a tattoo. Maybe for flyers or whatever was needed. but that was Ron's decision and not mine. jmo

[HI_CYCLE]

I couldn't tell if it was Misty or not. I tried enlarging the video because I thought whoever it was looked pregnant (and smoking). When it's enlarged, it looks like she has a piece of paper in front of her shirt. I've never seen Misty in anything but long sleeves.

But my glasses could need cleaning.

I'm always bothered by the fact that he never uses Haleigh's name, referring to her as "my child", "my daughter". Even in the video.

The tatoo doesn't even bear her name, only the words "Daddy's little girl".

More troubling is that he says in the video that he can't go anywhere and "do what he wants to do" because of cameras. And then, of course, at the end he throws in his usual "Baby I love you" (which IMO, always sounds like an afterthought), and again never refers to Haleigh by name.

How far is Pinellas Park from Satsuma?Not unusual,IMO... I have never heard my son call his little daughter by her name, he has called her " baby girl" from the moment she was placed in his arms. She is almost 3 now and most of the family calls her the same. If someone ask her name she says "baby girl". She is indeed a daddy`s girl.

[sickntired]

sickntired,can you please post the link where the father talked about"all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing." TIA

It's in the video that was posted about him getting a tattoo. The reporter said that the employees of that tattoo parlor didn't want to be on tape but said that he didn't talk about his daughter, just about all the money they were receiving. Did you watch the video?

[Texas48]

You bet they are. After all, that's what the guy said that started the donation fund - that the family had "living expenses".

IMO, that's why Ron went so far away to get the tattoos.Morning Cry..It would be my quess that the people that donated $ may not be happy knowing Ron spent their $ on a tattoo. I know I would be knowing I gave $ for food and such as..needed items. jmo

[Texas48]

just a rough estimate.....but close.....too long for anyone to be gone if there child is still missing....unless you know they are not coming homeMaybe Ron needed some "get away time" so first thing he thought of was a tattoo since he had alittle extra money now and this would help get his mind off of Haleigh...HOW? jmo

[DenVIP]

the money would be better served in an account for education of Jr , the hope that he would end the dysfunctional family cycle

[sickntired]

Haleigh Cummings' dad gets tattoo honoring missing daughter

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-gets-tattoo-honoring-missing/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx

Video too.

Interesting.

Hey HI CYCLE, here is the video....the reporter talks about it at approx 1:47. Enjoy :rolleyes:

[HI_CYCLE]

And a couple of tattoos! (Paid for with donated money of course).

:angry:
What is your agenda for posting mis information?? Someone else paid for the tattoo. If I had know he wanted one I would have gladly drove him where ever he wanted to go and paid for it... A tattoo of his missing daughter and you BEGRUDGE him for getting it. Says a lot about you...

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning Cry..It would be my quess that the people that donated $ may not be happy knowing Ron spent their $ on a tattoo. I know I would be knowing I gave $ for food and such as..needed items. jmo

Especially the location where he put his daughter's little face: on his hairy leg. How inappropriate, imo. :thumbdown:

[sickntired]

What is your agenda for posting mis information?? Someone else paid for the tattoo. If I had know he wanted one I would have gladly drove him where ever he wanted to go and paid for it... A tattoo of his missing daughter and you BEGRUDGE him for getting it. Says a lot about you...

No one is begrudging him getting a tattoo of his missing daughter...just doesn't seem like the appropriate time when she's only been missing for a few weeks. He should be out there looking instead of two hours away getting a tat. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

sickntired,can you please post the link where the father talked about"all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing." TIA

There isn't one because the REPORTER who didn't GET WHAT HE WANTED in the WAY OF AN INTERVIEW from RON simply made that allegation saying people who didn't want to go on camera...yada yada yada....SAME OLD STORY, no names and all hearsay IMOO. :sneaky:

I think the reporter wanted to try and fuel the dust up with Geraldo and Ron IMO. :thumbdown:

[CANDYKISSES]

No one is begrudging him getting a tattoo of his missing daughter...just doesn't seem like the appropriate time when she's only been missing for a few weeks. He should be out there looking instead of two hours away getting a tat. JMO

Are you forgetting that he HAD TWO TATTOOS done? He didn't show the one of JUNIOR and my guess is that he wasn't going to put A CHILD who is not MISSING on CAMERA for the world unlike the BIO-MOTHER IMO. :scared:

[crymeariver2006]

What is your agenda for posting mis information?? Someone else paid for the tattoo. If I had know he wanted one I would have gladly drove him where ever he wanted to go and paid for it... A tattoo of his missing daughter and you BEGRUDGE him for getting it. Says a lot about you...

Agenda?

Is that what you call it when somebody posts links?

I don't begrudge anybody anything. Not a tattoo, nor a Christmas present from their mom.

[HI_CYCLE]

It's in the video that was posted about him getting a tattoo. The reporter said that the employees of that tattoo parlor didn't want to be on tape but said that he didn't talk about his daughter, just about all the money they were receiving. Did you watch the video?
No I didn`t, but I will now that I know which one to look at. TIA

[Tia]

Stunned. Is this the latest craze to get a tattoo after your child goes missing? At least it didnt say beautiful life.


I second that. I had to read it twice, thought I was imagining things.

[CANDYKISSES]

What is your agenda for posting mis information?? Someone else paid for the tattoo. If I had know he wanted one I would have gladly drove him where ever he wanted to go and paid for it... A tattoo of his missing daughter and you BEGRUDGE him for getting it. Says a lot about you...


While I am not an advocate of tattoos, I do know some people consider it almost cathartic and given that Ron seems to show how deeply he is grieving, I am guessing he might have perceived it this way. I also think that getting both of his children done was probably right since we are seeing the anger come out right here. He couldn't do anything right in the eyes of some people no matter what IMO.

IF HE WOULD HAVE THROWN JUNIOR to the WOLVES IN WAITING SATURDAY NIGHT, the BOARDS would still be flaming. But since Crystal with all her credentials decided to throw JUNIOR out there on her WEEKEND VISITATION.....WELL, that is a DIFFERENT STORY IYKWIM. :thumbdown:

JMO

[Rayosunshine]

Haleigh Cummings' dad gets tattoo honoring missing daughter

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-gets-tattoo-honoring-missing/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx

Video too.

Interesting.

Why does that sound so familiar? The word "copycat" comes to mind.

[HI_CYCLE]

Hey HI CYCLE, here is the video....the reporter talks about it at approx 1:47. Enjoy :rolleyes: TY for the link and only the reporter made the statement about the money. You choose to believe him, I don`t... Of course, i don`t believe much of anything the media says today. :wink:

[Peaches]

It disturbs me to see he would travel about 2 hrs from home for a tattoo....if my child was missing I couldn't leave the area.....and I love my tatttoos


First of all I will say-----------I hate tattoos!

BUT................we all do not do the same thing in the same situations..........of course, for me, I would be out looking even if no one was with me. This is me..............

This was important to Ron evidently. He wants this so that others will see how much he loves his child.

For me, I guess it is keeping flowers on the graves of those I have lost. Others do not see that this is really necessary.

We are ALL different and we ALL think -------------well, this is important to me while others just can not see it.

I hope you can understand this because I am not sure how clear I have make myself.

P.S. When I introduce my children, I always say - my daughter - my son..................

If I said.............this is Sam............they would not know that it is my son. I see nothing wrong with Ron saying "please bring my daughter home"...............I love you baby/etc. Everyone knows who he is talking about and if not.............they will find out.

MOO

[HI_CYCLE]

There isn't one because the REPORTER who didn't GET WHAT HE WANTED in the WAY OF AN INTERVIEW from RON simply made that allegation saying people who didn't want to go on camera...yada yada yada....SAME OLD STORY, no names and all hearsay IMOO. :sneaky:

I think the reporter wanted to try and fuel the dust up with Geraldo and Ron IMO. :thumbdown: Thank you and I agree.:thumbsup:

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18841777/index.html

Well now JUNIOR has gone from a child star to shielded all in five days. :sneaky:

My guess is that JUNIOR shouldn't have made his FOX DEBUT and that perhaps someone objected, but that is JMO. :unsure:

[sickntired]

Bring on the DNA sickntired! Until such time as paternity is FACTUALLY ESTABLISHED in a COURT OF LAW, I choose to stand on the idea of Haleigh and Junior being a team/family.

Maybe Crystal can get JUNIOR an interview to discuss whether or not he has TWO missing siblings. Come on, roll the dice for SATURDAY NIGHT with the RIVERA BROTHERS.....:tonguewag:

:ohmy:JMO


LOL why would I have this man's DNA? I don't even know what your talking about rolling of dice for saturday night....what are your issues? I was just stating what the report said which seem in line with the father's actions. Both parties seem uhhh, different to me...I'm not taking anyone side but Haleighs....what exactly are you trying to get at? Sounds like someone is a little too personally involved in this case.:laugh:

[Peaches]

Not unusual,IMO... I have never heard my son call his little daughter by her name, he has called her " baby girl" from the moment she was placed in his arms. She is almost 3 now and most of the family calls her the same. If someone ask her name she says "baby girl". She is indeed a daddy`s girl.



Exactly! I do not see the big deal about this either. Just something to hang onto about Ron not being all that. MOO

[Peaches]

What is your agenda for posting mis information?? Someone else paid for the tattoo. If I had know he wanted one I would have gladly drove him where ever he wanted to go and paid for it... A tattoo of his missing daughter and you BEGRUDGE him for getting it. Says a lot about you...


This is much ado about nothing.

We are not all alike. I think that to Ron this was important. To show that he loves his daughter beyond words.

Some of these post are the reason that many who need money will not accept help................they do not want what they buy being judged.............

BUT..........if the reporter is to believed ----------he said that someone paid for these tattoos for Ron...............so NO DONATED MONEY PAID FOR THEM.

[CANDYKISSES]

LOL why would I have this man's DNA? I don't even know what your talking about rolling of dice for saturday night....what is your issues? I was just stating what the report said which seem in line with the father's actions. Both parties seem uhhh, different to me...I'm not taking anyone side but Haleighs....what exactly are you trying to get at? Sounds like someone is a little too personally involved in this case.:laugh:

Funny you should say that. AGAIN, I didn't bring the tattoo story here as tho it would help solve the case. I didn't try and interject a child we don't even know belongs to Ron, YOU DID.

Personal here, not so much.....but can you declare the same?:biggrin:

There is no side, but trying to bring an innocent child into it while judging an adult seems a bit sticky even if it's for personal reasons IMO. :ohmy:

[Peaches]

Especially the location where he put his daughter's little face: on his hairy leg. How inappropriate, imo. :thumbdown:



Where would you have liked him to have it?

Does it really matter?

[Peaches]

No one is begrudging him getting a tattoo of his missing daughter...just doesn't seem like the appropriate time when she's only been missing for a few weeks. He should be out there looking instead of two hours away getting a tat. JMO



Grief.................takes over your entire body. You can not sleep. You can not eat or you eat all the time. You are unable to make good choices. That is why they tell you not to do anything after major changes happen in your life.

WELL..............some of you think Ron made a bad choice. This is truly normal.

When going through such horrow..................you are unable to make wise decisions........

If you have never had your world turned upside down, you can not relate but if you have -------------you will not be so judgemental.

MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

Where would you have liked him to have it?

Does it really matter?

I can't wait for this one Peaches. GEEZ, the guy's been getting tattoos for quite some time now from the looks of it. Maybe he was supposed to predict a tragedy and his feelings ahead of time. JMO.

I guess there are quite a few men using bad judgment as I see this often at the beach during the summer. :ohmy: JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Where would you have liked him to have it?

Does it really matter?

I thought my first post made it clear that it was inappropriate for Haleigh's little face to be on his hairy leg, imo.

IMO, his tatto splurge will make smart people think twice before giving him anymore of their hard earned money.

[crymeariver2006]

Exactly! I do not see the big deal about this either. Just something to hang onto about Ron not being all that. MOO


Just as some used Christmas presents purchased by Crystal while she owed child support as something to hang onto about her not being "all that".

Don't you think?

[Peaches]

Are you forgetting that he HAD TWO TATTOOS done? He didn't show the one of JUNIOR and my guess is that he wasn't going to put A CHILD who is not MISSING on CAMERA for the world unlike the BIO-MOTHER IMO. :scared:


Candy Kisses.......................you are so right!

To me Ron is young and the choices he is making are done with the love for his children in his heart and mind.

I think he needed a break away from the camp..............why in this world would anyone begrude this for a young man going through this horrible situation? It is beyond my understanding.

MOO

[HI_CYCLE]

I'm sorry you took it that way, but it's your choice. Yes, IMO Ronald shod be out looking for his daughter, not driving 2 hours to get a tattoo or here, how about if he's good enough to get a tat, he's good enough to go back to work? Yesterday, they showed the tent area with the bikers and the music was booming in the background, people laughing. Sounds like a big Ole party is going on, meanwhile they forgot they main reason they are there.

So yeah, I guess I'm a big Ole heartless monster who can't understand why a man who everyone proclaims loves his daughter to pieces, is out getting a tat and bragging about donation money. My bad.

HMOThank God for those bikers, thousands are spreading the word about Haleigh and I am sure their visit was very much appreciated by Ronald. Trucker's and biker's spreading her disappearance all over the US. Wonderful!!!!

[crymeariver2006]

That is so true!!! Gotta love the bikers & truckers, they are so much help with amber alerts and missing kids, god bless them. Wish Ronnie would take a cue from them or at least, hope one of them made an impression to Ronnie so he could follow in their footsteps. jmo.

Well he did drive a good distance and he got a tattoo....

Baby steps, viking, baby steps.

:wink:

[Peaches]

So true and at the end when he is clearly upset and stating that the cameras won't get out of his face, that he can't do anything without the cameras, well let's just say he reminds me of the other one who seems to be just as in love with herself, a certain Casey Anthony. imo.

You would think his mom would tell him to keep his big fat mouth shut about the money, but apparently Ron likes to brag about receiving charity.

jmo


Maybe - if he said anything - he spoke of how people where helping out...................not only his camp but the other camp as well.

How nice/kind - how much he appreciate

What is wrong with this?

[sickntired]

Well he did drive a good distance and he got a tattoo....

Baby steps, viking, baby steps.

:wink:

I wonder if he took flyers to the Tattoo Shop...business trip...business expense? Now I get it.

[crymeariver2006]

I wonder if he took flyers to the Tattoo Shop...business trip...business expense? Now I get it.

That must be it. I thought I saw whoever was with him have some papers in front of her.

Must have been flyers. Had to have been.

:wink:

[HI_CYCLE]

I thought my first post made it clear that it was inappropriate for Haleigh's little face to be on his hairy leg, imo.

IMO, his tatto splurge will make smart people think twice before giving him anymore of their hard earned money.
I doubt it. people who donate money from their heart, not expecting for a person to make a list on how it is spent. MOO from my own experience....:wink:

[sickntired]

If your post wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. Look at who is calling someone a troll with a ???

I'm not personally attacking people that are here to discuss a missing child. If being concerned for a missing child is pathetic...then that I am. What are you here for again?:confused:

[Peaches]

I thought my first post made it clear that it was inappropriate for Haleigh's little face to be on his hairy leg, imo.

IMO, his tatto splurge will make smart people think twice before giving him anymore of their hard earned money.


These tattoos were paid for by a PERSON not money collect.

Did you not get this from the article or do you just pick and choice what to believe from what the reporter said.

BTW..............where do you want the tattoo?????????????????

[HI_CYCLE]

I wonder if he took flyers to the Tattoo Shop...business trip...business expense? Now I get it.another disgusting and pathetic post. I think you need a heart implant.

[Peaches]

Just as some used Christmas presents purchased by Crystal while she owed child support as something to hang onto about her not being "all that".

Don't you think?


Because.....................she was not helping feed her children.

Another story ----------------

Someone took Ron to have tattoos of his children. They paid for them. It was a gift to him personally...............NOT DONATED MONEY.

If you believe some of the article - why not all?????????????????

[i_pickle]

I doubt it. people who donate money from their heart, not expecting for a person to make a list on how it is spent. MOO from my own experience....:wink:I thought about sending money but scrapped the idea because, in all honesty, Ron is creepy and I don't think for one minute he'd spend it on finding Haleigh, or caring for Jr.

This was BEFORE I heard about the tattoo

[i_pickle]

I think at this point and time the media should stay away from this story. If it is true that Ron is yakking about all the donations he is getting and stuff. This whole family is making me sick. What a Motley Crew. Someone else on here said that Ron should save the money for JR. to break this dysfunctional family cycle and I agree. I really think that JR needs to be taken away from this family until further investigation. Would you want your 4 year old with this drugged/arrest record bunch for even a hour? I hope they make an arrest soon!I agree with everything you said except that the media should stay away. I hope this tattoo stuff is all over NG, JVM, GVS and GR. It may prevent some hapless, good hearted individuals from sending money to this, um...man.

I also think Haleigh deserves as much air time as Caylee has gotten.

[crymeariver2006]

Did he? I have seen very little footage of Ron with Jr, even at a distance. It was my impression Jr was staying nearby, but not with Ron. I wonder if Jr's tat reads "always" like his one about haleigh. The "always" part is what strikes me as odd. :confused: I'm glad you think he has done a great job with both his children, we'll just have to agree to disagree on parenting skills/techniques of lack thereof.

jmo

How do we even know he got a tattoo of Jr.?

You know how those tattoo parlor people make stuff up.

:tonguewag:

[Peaches]

Did he? I have seen very little footage of Ron with Jr, even at a distance. It was my impression Jr was staying nearby, but not with Ron. I wonder if Jr's tat reads "always" like his one about haleigh. The "always" part is what strikes me as odd. :confused: I'm glad you think he has done a great job with both his children, we'll just have to agree to disagree on parenting skills/techniques of lack thereof.

jmo


You know Viking, when my 10 year old brother was killed by a drunk driver, I was so torn up that my children were afraid of me...........because I was crying all the time! I was 16 when he was born and I thought he was my sun that hung in the sky. My heart was coming out of my body.

Because of this, I asked my SIL to care for them for a couple of days. I had to get myself under control.

I did not say that Ron's parenting skills are great or even good but I do think that he was taking care of them to the best of his ability.

[?noanswer]

Was that Misty with him in that video? I'm trying not to judge, but I don't think getting a tattoo would be on my mind right now if I was in his position. And if what the people at the Tattoo shop said was true about him talking about all the money he is getting from his daughter being missing...that's a damn shame.:thumbdown:

I have no idea what context he was talking about the money. He could have just as well have been talking about how nice people had been to them. I have seen the media embellish information to make it seem more sensational. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Quoting myself here: Notice the "if" in my post...

What exactly is so wrong with my post that HI CYCLE and CANDYKISSES needs to personally attack me? Can anyone answer this?

No one should be attacked on this forum for expressing an opinion.

[i_pickle]

You know Viking, when my 10 year old brother was killed by a drunk driver, I was so torn up that my children were afraid of me...........because I was crying all the time! I was 16 when he was born and I thought he was my sun that hung in the sky. My heart was coming out of my body.

Because of this, I asked my SIL to care for them for a couple of days. I had to get myself under control.

I did not say that Ron's parenting skills are great or even good but I do think that he was taking care of them to the best of his ability.I'm sorry for your loss.

But I disagree completely with your last sentence. I don't think he took care of his children to the best of his ability. I think he passed them off to the women in his life...Mom, G-ma, sister, whatever g/f he had...

In fact, I think that his lifestyle and associations are probably why this happened. As time goes on, I'm more and more convinced of that.

[Peaches]

I have no idea what context he was talking about the money. He could have just as well have been talking about how nice people had been to them. I have seen the media embellish information to make it seem more sensational. JMO


This is what I thought too.

Some of us do not have the skills to express ourselves as well as others. I think Ron is one who does not have these skills.

Anything to get attention - this is what the media thinks!

[Peaches]

No one should be attacked on this forum for expressing an opinion.


You are correct but a difference of opinion is not an attack. MOO

Gotta go do chores................

[ICE]

I think when people donate money to a "Cause", they expect the money to go in some way to helping in that cause. I don't see where the tattoo fits in. Timing really is everything.

[?noanswer]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txt


"Ronald had a meltdown last night. I actually left him with a pastor last night," Neves said. "He broke down and it's hard."

Taken from the above link.

Maybe the Pastor advised him to get away and do something different. I know it helps to get away from things for a while.

JMO

[kitty1182]

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Excellent post....i totally agree. And if i were in Ron's shoes and i needed a lil "get-away" time from the camp, i would go to a Church and pray rather than to a tattoo parlour. JMO

I agree on that..

[sickntired]

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Missing-a-Friend/bdBVgKRww0iT3Q3o8jwITA.cspx

How said for Haleigh's friends...being so young and feeling so vulnerable. I hope everyone is keeping a close eye on their children with the unknown going on.

[nana6]

No one should be attacked on this forum for expressing an opinion.

Hi Regina. You are so right. However, it seems to happen all the time. With the number of people and personalities we have here it is bound to happen at times. It does not look pretty or show other posters a nice side when this happens though. We have that old saying here "just skroll on by" and that seems to work for me.:smile:

[Peaches]

I am really sorry about your brother and I agree, when presented with stress we all can act a little off. But how someone can sit there and justify a $400 tat experience is really beyond me. Seriously, not looking to debate it or question it, as you have your life experience to draw from, so do I and no matter how someone puts it, or gives a background as to what possible motivation Ron had, doesn't matter to me. If a parent was truly as in love with their child as Ronald claims he is, then why not take that 400 and hire a p.i. or put 400 in the gas tank and post flyers all over, a million things for Haleigh he could have and should have done, in my opinion and instead he's crying about the camera's being in his face all the time and spending someone elses money, not to mention the time spent at the tat store. Sorry, I'm scratching my head on this one.

jmo


One last post. Thank you everyone for your expressions of concern about losing my sweet brother. I have to share this. I can not help myself. An elderly woman told me when I lost my brother, that heaven would not be the same if there were not little ones there to love........and that I had something special waiting for me there. At the time, it did not make me feel a bit better. But you know what, I never have forgotten what she said.

I hate tattoos. I would never do this either. My thoughts is that we are all different. I do not believe that Ron has many skills from which to draw from.................

I do believe that he loves his children. I do believe that he needs someone to help him with parenting skills. I do think he needs to be willing to learn............

And, you are correct in what to do with the money collected..........hiring a PI is the very best idea. I understand that someone has been willing to print all the poster/etc that are needed to help find HaLeigh free of charge.

So far as the time away from camp. I do not think that Ron has spent much time away.............I know that we all need a break sometimes or we would be no good for anyone.

Someone said something about laughing - and found this to not be good while HaLeigh is missing......

While my mother was fighting for her life in the ICU unit, she was of sound mind. We had to take turns staying with her because there are 6 of us.................when we would come out, we would tell the others what she had said while we were with her. She always made us laugh. Thankfully, we were allowed to stay with her all the time because we did not disturb anyone and made our mother comfortable............and she lived for 20 more years after this but they had given us a 10% chance she would.

I said all this to say this.................laughing is good. Remembering the good things is good. I do not think that it was a disgrace for Ron and the bikers to listen to music and to laugh -------------

This is all MOO

HeLeigh girl..............come home!

[crymeariver2006]

Laughing, not laughing; loud music, quiet; tattoos, no tattoos.

It really doesn't matter.

I just wish the standard would be applied equally between both families.

JMO

[Mimi428]

"Ronald had a meltdown last night. I actually left him with a pastor last night," Neves said. "He broke down and it's hard."

Taken from the above link.

Maybe the Pastor advised him to get away and do something different. I know it helps to get away from things for a while.

JMO

I have no idea what the pastor advised him, but I sure hope someone is advising him to get physically active in one way or another. This case is still getting media attention. I am sure if Ron, or someone on his behalf, got in touch with Tim Miller of TES, they would be happy to take the time to advise him on what sorts of things would be productive. Productive for him in keeping busy, productive for keeping Haleigh's story & picture in the media, productive for helping the investigation.

He is still very young, so there isn't an issue of him not being fit enough to spend some hours in the day being physically active. It would sure beat the heck out of sitting, sitting & sitting in front of his former residence.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

If that were the case, the tat employees wouldn't shy away from the cameras and the reporter wouldn't have put it in a way that made Ron look like a braggart/mooching, imo. I doubt the "tat employees" had no idea what the reporter has even said. The artist who did the tattoo is, I am sure, use to dealing with people grieving. My Marine grandson has a tattoo on his back, of a gun, holding a helmet with boots at the bottom of the gun. Under this picture he has names of 5 Marines that was killed in Iraq on his fire team where he was their leader. Upsetting every time I see it, but comforting to him. So judging what is important to help a person grieve and remember is a personal thing and it should NOT be judged by others.
Now off my soap box.
Semper Fi....Marine Mom....

[Mimi428]

That's an interesting read, wonder if it's true. It seems to be a little over the top if it were true, I mean wouldn't they rather jump Ron in a dark alley? To take a child? Course, maybe that's Ron referring to them on the 911 call on who he is going to kill? Thanks for the link.

It was interesting, wasn't it? Some of it sounds almost a bit too contrived, but it is impossible to assess w/o knowing the histories of the others who may be mad at Ron.

I've been thinking since the beginning that someone may have come into the house to get something else & by pure accident came across an awake Haleigh & grabbed her up so she couldn't say anything to anyone else.

I still wonder what other tats Ron has.

JMO

[DenVIP]

stop this insanity.....alll I expressed earlier was how could he be that far from home when he still doesnt know where his child is...I couldnt leave the area.....I have tattoos, I have nothing against them.....there are priorties all these folks need to put above there own.....and I mean ALL of them not just Ron

[HI_CYCLE]

I specifically mentioned smart people in my post and in my view anyone giving ronald cummings their hard earned money to get tattoos, isn't very smart, imo.I think givers are compassionate and very smart at the same time. You probably wouldn`t understand, but that's OK, your loss my gain. Money is NOT worth a darn without love, but is wonderful when it fit`s together. But this is my feeling's, but it doesn't make people less smart because they give........:mellow:

[Mimi428]

My Marine grandson has a tattoo on his back, of a gun, holding a helmet with boots at the bottom of the gun. Under this picture he has names of 5 Marines that was killed in Iraq on his fire team where he was their leader. Upsetting every time I see it, but comforting to him.

<snipped>

I'm glad you mentioned that, because the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard about the new tat of Haleigh was that Ron, like your grandson, was getting it done as a memorial. "In Memory Of"...

JMO

[summer4meplz]

I check in every day to see if there is any news.....poor little Haleigh....
I read post 1570 on sm....who knows if it's true or not....if it IS true, then ron knows who has Haleigh......right? I don't know if I believe that ron would rob a drug dealer at gun point....that's pretty dang stupid.....but surely he would have told LE about it.....for the sake of his child....surely he would have told LE EVERYTHING>>>>I don't care very much for the lifestyle of any of these ppl......and only God knows the truth......

what is it about getting a tattoo when your child is missing? I'm not faulting him....I just don't get it....

[HI_CYCLE]

I'm not personally attacking people that are here to discuss a missing child. If being concerned for a missing child is pathetic...then that I am. What are you here for again?:confused:You are NOT discussing a missing child, you are here putting down a father who is missing a child an complaining about how he spends his time and not what he has done but what you think he has done wrong. carry on!!!!:wink:

[DenVIP]

You are NOT discussing a missing child, you are here putting down a father who is missing a child an complaining about how he spends his time and not what he has done but what you think he has done wrong. carry on!!!!:wink:

good thought lets go back to theorizing and looking at facts...without getting caught up in the other stuff.....lets find a child

[i_pickle]

You are NOT discussing a missing child, you are here putting down a father who is missing a child an complaining about how he spends his time and not what he has done but what you think he has done wrong. carry on!!!!:wink:It's not unusual for the family to be scrutinized. It happens all the time. Are you suggesting that it doesn't? That RC is somehow special or off limits?

You've put down the mother of a missing child. How is that different?

[Mimi428]

stop this insanity.....alll I expressed earlier was how could he be that far from home when he still doesnt know where his child is...I couldnt leave the area.....I have tattoos, I have nothing against them.....there are priorties all these folks need to put above there own.....and I mean ALL of them not just Ron

I don't know what sort of tats you prefer (& you certainly do not need to give out such personal info), but I have been thinking about the people I know who have tats & some of the discussions we have had about why they chose what they did. I find it fascinating to know what their tats represent to them. I know someone who is pretty literally an 'illustrated man' - his body is a tapestry. Every single image, both foreground & background, was carefully chosen. His life is represented, it is like a diary.

I know others who choose spot tats that have no deeply significant meaning to them, they just like the image.

And I DEFINITELY know some who have memorial tats. Remembrances of days gone by. People no longer in their lives, etc.

JMO

[sickntired]

You are NOT discussing a missing child, you are here putting down a father who is missing a child an complaining about how he spends his time and not what he has done but what you think he has done wrong. carry on!!!!:wink:

Still not answering the question or letting it go....what is your problem again? Someone has found their CAPS button today!:smile:

[Mimi428]

Heck, I would probably be one who would get a tattoo of her right away, a small attempt to feel she was close to me. I imagine he's grasping for whatever little thing that might make him feel better right now and there is no way I would judge how anyone else chooses to show love and hope. imo


I'm can't judge how anyone chooses to show love & hope.

But I can sure WONDER if their actions are motivated by anything even remotely close to the emotions of:

LOVE

or

HOPE.


KWIM?

JMO

[kitty1182]

That is strange.....

I think so too...

[aproudmom]

I couldn't tell if it was Misty or not. I tried enlarging the video because I thought whoever it was looked pregnant (and smoking). When it's enlarged, it looks like she has a piece of paper in front of her shirt. I've never seen Misty in anything but long sleeves.

But my glasses could need cleaning.

I'm always bothered by the fact that he never uses Haleigh's name, referring to her as "my child", "my daughter". Even in the video.

The tatoo doesn't even bear her name, only the words "Daddy's little girl".

More troubling is that he says in the video that he can't go anywhere and "do what he wants to do" because of cameras. And then, of course, at the end he throws in his usual "Baby I love you" (which IMO, always sounds like an afterthought), and again never refers to Haleigh by name.

How far is Pinellas Park from Satsuma?


Not taking any sides but I also call my 18 and 13 yr old my babys and tell them they will always be that so I dont find it odd for him to call her his baby. I would also like for people to show thier face and be on camera before they say such things as he was only talking about money we don't know if that is true also it did look like misty to me also. ALL JMO.I just pray for the safe return of this little girl it has been 20 some days pray pray pray

[Regina.Lampert]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4610.1560


Read post 1570...............

Thanks Mom! What's everyone's take on this, did ronald or did ronald NOT cough up the name of the person he robbed?

[aproudmom]

I agree.....now if the reporter were Geraldo then I would wonder. If that reporter was twisting the story, then I would think the folks in the shop would be extremely mad over it and we would hear from them.

Thank you ITA. He may have talked more if they had never brought up GR

[HI_CYCLE]

I thought about sending money but scrapped the idea because, in all honesty, Ron is creepy and I don't think for one minute he'd spend it on finding Haleigh, or caring for Jr.

This was BEFORE I heard about the tattooYou are doing a lot of complaining on how he is spending money that other's donated??? Heck I have donated money and a few other thing's and I have no problem how he spends what I have given. You have NO right to complain IMO...
:confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy Kisses.......................you are so right!

To me Ron is young and the choices he is making are done with the love for his children in his heart and mind.

I think he needed a break away from the camp..............why in this world would anyone begrude this for a young man going through this horrible situation? It is beyond my understanding.

MOO

Given that Teresa Neves herself mentioned Ron breaking down and going to be with his minister, just maybe Teresa gave him the money for all the speculators. Since we don't know who did pay for it, I think it out of line to keep trying to insinuate it was done with DONATION MONEY IMO.

I think it could be that the minister suggested he do something to honor his children that day and maybe that's what it meant to Ron.

JMO. :sad:

[kitty1182]

Trying to catch up, did he get the tattoo yesterday before the breakdown?

I'm not sure, I was mostly at the CA board yesterday....I would like to know if it was before too...

[Mimi428]

Not taking any sides but I also call my 18 and 13 yr old my babys and tell them they will always be that so I dont find it odd for him to call her his baby.

<snipped>

Speaking only for myself, I think some of the speculation about that (not how you personally refer to your children) stems from wondering whether the anguish is more for the child who is missing, or for the parent.

When we consistently refer to people with possessive words - MY daughter, MY baby, MY child - it gives the impression that we are putting ourselves first - & that the daughter, baby, child is secondary. Referring to people by their names gives the impression that we recognize them to have a unique identity, an autonomy, not simply a possession of OURS.

I wouldn't consider much about that at all if it only happened here & there, but when it is consistent, it does cause me to wonder. Another example is when Ron says "she is not YOUR property". Taken by itself, it does not make me think the unspoken part is "she is MY property". But when I consider all the other times he refers to her in a possessive fashion - as in, 'she's MINE, not YOURS', it starts to concern me.

JMO

[sammy]

This case just stinks to high heavens.

The latest video with Ron hours away getting a new tat is unbelievable.
Ron whining + pouting saying that (paraphrasing here) ... 'I can't go anywhere or do anything without the dang camera in my face'.

Well sorry bud !!
Does he have any idea of how much poor little Adji's grieving family or the families of the hundreds of other missing children would love to have a camera in their face. Most families would give their right arms and their lives for this precious media attention to be able to keep their child's name out there.

Ron and Misti are the key.
They are either directly involved or know who is. IMO
I pray the FBI is ACTIVELY involved in this case ... b/c I am having serious doubts about the local authorities ability to handle this.
Seems like too much of a "good 'ol boy" network permeates this entire town - including local LE. (again IMO)

[breeze53]

That is strange.....

That money could have went towards looking for his lost daughter imo.

[HI_CYCLE]

<bolding mine>

But that is what America does best, judging. For a long time with this case, I felt a mixture of doubt and disgust with most members of this family. Now I don't know if someone wants to deem it "judging" or if one can skew it to be a thought process in helping find Haleigh. However, I do know that no matter what spin you put on it, Ronald shouldn't be getting tat's. If Ron wants to grieve and remember Haleigh, he need not look very far. There are posters and memorial pictures of Haleigh everywhere. Besides which, Ron shouldn't be in a grieving state just yet, sad state sure, but grieving? I guess I come from the old school where you were taught that sitting around and feeling sorry for yourself gets you nowhere. Take some of that anger and turn it into energy in helping find your daughter. Ron has some selfish ways about him, even if he didn't want to spend the 400 on Haleigh, he could have spent a day with Jr and got him away from all of it. I believe Ron is looking out for himself and himself only.

jmoI commend you on your judging, doing a wonderful job. Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?? I will continue to support this GRIEVING father any way I possibly can. While you are judging him,remember, he is doing what thousands of dead beat father would never do. He is raising his son and daughter and providing their needs and from the looks of the children giving them the most important thing they need, LOVE............

[crymeariver2006]

Nah, I don't have links, these are things I've just read during the last few winks while visiting different sites. You can believe what you like, you can also pretend you know what exactly he can do to find Haleigh that LE and hundreds of searchers haven't been able to. He's co-operated from the beginning, begged for her return, put out pictures describing her in minute detail ....... what else should he be doing besides keeping her image and information out there and getting some tiny bit of support for himself? If a tattoo of her gives him hope and helps him from one second to the next ....... good for him!

How does "keeping her image and information out there" square with him saying that he can't "do what he wants" because of cameras?

[Regina.Lampert]

I think givers are compassionate and very smart at the same time. You probably wouldn`t understand, but that's OK, your loss my gain. Money is NOT worth a darn without love, but is wonderful when it fit`s together. But this is my feeling's, but it doesn't make people less smart because they give........:mellow:

I understand that most compassionate people who gave ronald cummings money would be appalled to know that he rolled to a tattoo shop, hours away from home, and wasted money on a tattoo when he could have used the money to help in the effort to find his missing daughter or given his son a treat. imo.

That he spent all that money on himself places him in a very bad light, imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree, I know of many people who have gotten tattoos to honor or remember a friend, loved one or event but to have a tattoo this early in the game?

Who knows what goes through anyone's mind in times like these.

Not only that but does this guy look like he can AFFORD a tattoo?

Good grief.

Do you realize there are TWO TATTOOS and not just one of the missing Haleigh?

I don't see it as a game and miss the strategy involved in what to do and where to go. Didn't LE SEEK OUT DNA from Crystal and she left them a message as she took off?

Where is that judgment?:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Trying to catch up, did he get the tattoo yesterday before the breakdown?

From the article, it seems that they spoke with Teresa Neves on Monday so the "last night" is probably, IMO, referring to Sunday night for the "meltdown".

From what I understand, the tattoo was yesterday - Monday.

JMO

[Motomom]

Thanks Mom! What's everyone's take on this, did ronald or did ronald NOT cough up the name of the person he robbed?

I don't believe that bit of rumor. Until I see facts regarding it, I'll keep it in the back of my mind. I do not believe that he would continue to allow his daughter to suffer the consequences of something like this. I believe that if he did rob somebody, that he would tell LE who it was. The most important thing is finding Haleigh and I believe he wants to. For now that is.

I'm not sure what i think about the tattoo. He may have needed to do that for himself. I don't think it was the time or place to get one, but that's how some people express themselves. He wants to be able to see his daughter any time? I just don't know what to think about it. I see nothing wrong with him getting that tattoo, just the timeing is wrong IMO.

[i_pickle]

You are doing a lot of complaining on how he is spending money that other's donated??? Heck I have donated money and a few other thing's and I have no problem how he spends what I have given. You have NO right to complain IMO...
:confused:What constitutes "a lot of complaining" iyo?

I'm posting my thoughts concerning the circumstances of a missing child and that includes Haleigh's family and those closest to her. I won't apologize for that because that's what this forum is for.

I'm also telling you (in the post you quoted) why I decided against sending money.

I have every right to do both. You don't determine what rights I have.

[msgatorslayer]

Heck, I would probably be one who would get a tattoo of her right away, a small attempt to feel she was close to me. I imagine he's grasping for whatever little thing that might make him feel better right now and there is no way I would judge how anyone else chooses to show love and hope. imo

Mark Lunsford got a huge tattoo of Jessie on his stomach for that very reason. So he can feel close and see her. He did wait till after she was found though. IIRC

I find it odd that Ron traveled so far to get tats. The artist gave him some kind of deal because Haleigh is missing but I'd think someone in Orlando could to the same.

[aproudmom]

You are NOT discussing a missing child, you are here putting down a father who is missing a child an complaining about how he spends his time and not what he has done but what you think he has done wrong. carry on!!!!:wink:

He has done more than the Anthonys ever did JMO if my child was missing I could never search the woods for them I would be in a dark room having to be given meds to make it through the day. I dont like the way alot of them lived but still does not mean he had anything to do with her being missing so I do not judge only GOD can and last time I checked he was not on the net. I think the LE would know by now if he took a lie det test if he was guilty of his daughter being missing. ALL IS JMO. taking no sides it is just hard for me to put myself in his shoes and judge. One other thing he still has not got a lawyer so that tells me alot. and as we know in these cases lawyers will work for free so it is not about him not having money for one.

Please dont bash me I now we all have opinions I just can not imagine the pain of not knowing where my babys were

[CANDYKISSES]

I understand that most compassionate people who gave ronald cummings money would be appalled to know that he rolled to a tattoo shop, hours away from home, and wasted money on a tattoo when he could have used the money to help in the effort to find his missing daughter or given his son a treat. imo.

That he spent all that money on himself places him in a very bad light, imo.

Where is your proof the money came from the donation fund and not a family member? :confused:

Nobody here that I am aware of knows where the money came from and to keep claiming it was from a fund is disingenuous IMO. :sad:

Are things not bad enough? Is it not pretty evident neither parent was going to get an award for parenting? JMO and I feel like those needing to interject claims that aren't known to be true have some other motive. I don't understand what is driving this need to bring him down.

Do you think he's not suffering and wishing he had done some things differently? Even Crystal acknowledges that.

[HI_CYCLE]

I understand that most compassionate people who gave ronald cummings money would be appalled to know that he rolled to a tattoo shop, hours away from home, and wasted money on a tattoo when he could have used the money to help in the effort to find his missing daughter or given his son a treat. imo.

That he spent all that money on himself places him in a very bad light, imo.You still don't get it do you? A person drove him and paid for the tattoo. This person apparently wanted to do this for Ronald. I took food and I hope he shared it with others. there was sure enough from several families I knew.

[Regina.Lampert]

Mark Lunsford got a huge tattoo of Jessie on his stomach for that very reason. So he can feel close and see her. He did wait till after she was found though. IIRC

I find it odd that Ron traveled so far to get tats. The artist gave him some kind of deal because Haleigh is missing but I'd think someone in Orlando could to the same.

I think he went to Tampa because he felt guilty about getting the tattoo, hence the whine when the cameras caught him. imo.

[i_pickle]

My bold.

I thought RC worked???? I suppose he should have just stayed home and collected welfare.
jmoIs he working now? How much time does he spend with Jr?

[Mimi428]

How does "keeping her image and information out there" square with him saying that he can't "do what he wants" because of cameras?

Inquiring minds want to know. While other parents of a missing child can't get the time of day, much less media attention to keep their child's face & story in front of an audience, Ron complains about the cameras.

Very strange. Maybe someone from the media will ask him what, exactly, it is that he wants to do but cannot do, because of cameras?

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

You still don't get it do you? A person drove him and paid for the tattoo. This person apparently wanted to do this for Ronald. I took food and I hope he shared it with others. there was sure enough from several families I knew.


Do you have a link to where "a person drove him and paid for the tattoo"? The only other person I saw in the video was (more than likely) Misty.

Somebody else posted that too, but it's not mentioned in the article that I saw.

TIA

[Regina.Lampert]

Where is your proof the money came from the donation fund and not a family member? :confused:

Nobody here that I am aware of knows where the money came from and to keep claiming it was from a fund is disingenuous IMO. :sad:

Are things not bad enough? Is it not pretty evident neither parent was going to get an award for parenting? JMO and I feel like those needing to interject claims that aren't known to be true have some other motive. I don't understand what is driving this need to bring him down.

Do you think he's not suffering and wishing he had done some things differently? Even Crystal acknowledges that.


All I know is that he was charged $400 for tattoos, when he could have used that money on something worthwhile, such as looking for his daughter or treating his son. IMO, it is an inappropriate use of funds.

[crymeariver2006]

I think he went to Tampa because he felt guilty about getting the tattoo, hence the whine when the cameras caught him. imo.

That's what I think too. He got caught.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

You still don't get it do you? A person drove him and paid for the tattoo. This person apparently wanted to do this for Ronald. I took food and I hope he shared it with others. there was sure enough from several families I knew.

Oh, I get it don't worry.

[msgatorslayer]

I think he went to Tampa because he felt guilty about getting the tattoo, hence the whine when the cameras caught him. imo.

Ah, okay. I see your point. And agree. But it was still a far drive. Other bigger cities where he could try and blend in are much closer.

[Regina.Lampert]

That's what I think too. He got caught.

JMO

Yep, people do strange things when they have meltdowns, perhaps this is what the FBI have been looking for...stuff like this. I have to believe that LE has a theory of what happened and who is involved since no one has been cleared but the AC guy and the cousin.

[IlliniFan]

Gm

Can someone fill me in on the "meltdown."??

I'm sorry, I dont have much time to look through all of the pages/links....So yeah, I being lazy....lol

If anyone can advise TIA

prayers for Haleigh...

[crymeariver2006]

Gm

Can someone fill me in on the "meltdown."??

I'm sorry, I dont have much time to look through all of the pages/links....So yeah, I being lazy....lol

If anyone can advise TIA

prayers for Haleigh...

The only thing anybody knows about a "meltdown" is what Ron's mother said.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txt

[Regina.Lampert]

I wonder if the FBI have a GPS on ronald's truck?

[CANDYKISSES]

All I know is that he was charged $400 for tattoos, when he could have used that money on something worthwhile, such as looking for his daughter or treating his son. IMO, it is an inappropriate use of funds.



WOW, what gives anyone the right to determine how others spend their money? Good grief Regina, it's not illegal to spend money someone else gives you on a tattoo.

Now if he was drawing from a donation fund, yes, maybe your "inappropriate use of funds" could be applicable.

BUT AGAIN, nobody knows who gave him that money and you're all levying accusations with no real merit until you do IMO. :thumbdown:

[IlliniFan]

The only thing anybody knows about a "meltdown" is what Ron's mother said.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txt


Thank-you so much!!

Something has to break soon...

[crymeariver2006]

I wonder if the FBI have a GPS on ronald's truck?

Veddy interesting thought!

I remember that case where the guy (can't remember his name, but he had red hair), anyway, they (LE) wasn't buying his story about his daughter being "abducted" from the front porch so they installed a GPS on his truck. Sure enough, he thought he was in the clear and moved the body.

[CANDYKISSES]

With the amount of tattoo places around these days I'm surprised that he when all the way to Tampa Bay to get it.

JMO

Perhaps that's where the artist who did his other work is located....or he/she was recommended for full face tatts IMO.

I see this is going to help solve the missing Haleigh Cummings case. Very sad all the time devoted to a personal choice by the father, but when the MOTHER PUTS A CHILD UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL with the likes of Geraldo and Craig, well, that's just okay with the masses....:sad:

I wonder what made Marie Griffis decide to request the face be blocked out on Junior regarding the new video?

[crymeariver2006]

They probably do, however I don't think they would inform the media about his location.

JMO

No, LE wouldn't. But somebody who wondered WTH Ron was doing at a tattoo parlor when his daughter was missing might.

:wink:

[HI_CYCLE]

I'm sorry, I have heard and read about this case for several weeks now, from the beginning, and you know how stuff just sinks in and you think about it and think about it......I have developed a great rage towards these people, these families, if they had any self respect their lives wouldn't have to be this way, I know, because I escaped a life just like it and took my three children with me when I left. Always seeing who you could get something over on, dealing drugs, using drugs, everyone knowing that what the other was doing was wrong but everyone dummying up and not saying anything.....and no hope for the children to grow up and break that ugly cycle. I'm sad, just sad, that children have to live like this, with people in and out of their lives at the drop of a hat, and dad brings home a stranger to leave them with, it's just sad. Sorry, didn't mean to rant.

I am also still fixated for some reason on the missing SO, Chad, isn't it odd that they are both still missing?I am glad,truly, that you got out but where you out of this life at 24 or 25?? He is young and looks like from his past records he is trying now that he has his children. That is what impresses me about him. he is working and providing for his 2 children. other then trespassing,not wearing a helmet he has really changed his priorities and his children are his life. Maybe he needs time to get his income up so he can also get his children into a different environment. I have seen NO proof of drugs in his life since he has his children. I have seen clean, well dressed children who has a lot of smiles in the video's and photographs. I will guess it was hard for you to make the changes in your life yo have done and you didn`t do it over night. I do think he has his priorities in order and his children are #1. Changes take time,longer for some then others. I think he is on the right track in improving his life. Remember, we only have the family that does not have physical custody make these drug charges since he has got custody. AMOO

[msgatorslayer]

With the amount of tattoo places around these days I'm surprised that he when all the way to Tampa Bay to get it.

JMO

:tongue:I accidentally said Orlando, lmao. I'm getting confused on which forum I'm in. I should have said Gainsville, J'Ville, etc. Yes, there are parlors everywhere. And bigger cities much closer if he was wanting to TRY and blend in.

[msgatorslayer]

True, which makes one wonder, how did the media know he was going to be there?

His local media followed him.

The tat parlor owner tipped the media off so he could get some free exposure.

Another patron in the parlor seen what was going on. Heard the chit chat. Realized who he was. And called the media.

[ICE]

Even thinking about getting a tattoo baffles me. Your kid is missing. How can you even eat, drink, or sleep???

[Regina.Lampert]

WOW, what gives anyone the right to determine how others spend their money? Good grief Regina, it's not illegal to spend money someone else gives you on a tattoo.

Now if he was drawing from a donation fund, yes, maybe your "inappropriate use of funds" could be applicable.

BUT AGAIN, nobody knows who gave him that money and you're all levying accusations with no real merit until you do IMO. :thumbdown:

Candy, I am not determining how this person spends their money, only giving my opinion on it.

[HI_CYCLE]

Mark Lunsford got a huge tattoo of Jessie on his stomach for that very reason. So he can feel close and see her. He did wait till after she was found though. IIRC

I find it odd that Ron traveled so far to get tats. The artist gave him some kind of deal because Haleigh is missing but I'd think someone in Orlando could to the same.You think it is possible the person who paid for the tattoo might know this tattoo artist and his work. Most people who want special tattoos find someone who specializes in what they want. MOO

[ICE]

I would think LE has advised any family members against searching.

If one of them were to find remains, the contamination of the scene that may happen would become a nightmare in finding the real abductor.

IMHO, as always.



If my kid were missing, LE can talk all they want. I'm still looking.

[msgatorslayer]

You think it is possible the person who paid for the tattoo might know this tattoo artist and his work. Most people who want special tattoos find someone who specializes in what they want. MOO

Highly possible. IMO

[sickntired]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132707&catid=3

I wonder what kind of new tips could come in if no one has seen her? I hope she comes home safely soon.

[HI_CYCLE]

Even thinking about getting a tattoo baffles me. Your kid is missing. How can you even eat, drink, or sleep???But you have to do these things to survive. Maybe that is what his friend was trying to do for him,just get him out and away from everything for a few hours. I am sure it did him good both physically and mentally. I do hope it did.

[msgatorslayer]

But you have to do these things to survive. Maybe that is what his friend was trying to do for him,just get him out and away from everything for a few hours. I am sure it did him good both physically and mentally. I do hope it did.

Mark L caught hell for sitting in a corner of a bar, by himself, and drinking a beer while Jessie was still missing. He was taking a break from long hours of searching.

Once your in the media spotlight, your every move is scrutinized.

[omsk99]

I would think LE has advised any family members against searching.

If one of them were to find remains, the contamination of the scene that may happen would become a nightmare in finding the real abductor.

IMHO, as always.


ITA, and I do recall that early on LE did not allow any volunteers and especially family members to assist with the searches. If no one was eliminated as a suspect, including the family, it could really complicate things if one of them finds anything of significance and then they try to prove if they were or were not involved since they could contaminate the evidence, as you pointed out.

And I don't understand what's the big deal with Ronald getting a tattoo? I know not much new is either being released or actually happening in this case, so I feel every little thing gets blown out of proportion as far as this family is concerned (in a very judgmental way). JMO

[TunaMelt]

I commend you on your judging, doing a wonderful job. Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?? I will continue to support this GRIEVING father any way I possibly can. While you are judging him,remember, he is doing what thousands of dead beat father would never do. He is raising his son and daughter and providing their needs and from the looks of the children giving them the most important thing they need, LOVE............

Hey, you, come off of that cloud...LOL

You're making this guy sound like a saint. And a saint he ain't.

I don't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance or not, but he's not this good old boy of a boy you're painting him out to be. No way. He lives like a bum. He's involved in all things druggy. He's abusive. He's a mess, frankly. I feel sorry for his little boy.

And speaking of his little boy: the $400 he spent for more ink would have bought lots of food for Junior, and clothes -- and that's what a good dad would have done with the money.

A tatoo wouldn't be on the list of things to do except for a low life like this guy who has a history of making all the wrong decisions.

[HI_CYCLE]

Mark L caught hell for sitting in a corner of a bar, by himself, and drinking a beer while Jessie was still missing. He was taking a break from long hours of searching.

Once your in the media spotlight, your every move is scrutinized.
I remember that,poor guy. He was criticized for his every moved. Another father trying to raise his child and beat to the bone when she went missing. Too many heart aches caused by these SO. Will it ever end?

[omsk99]

Hey, you, come off of that cloud...LOL

You're making this guy sound like a saint. And a saint he ain't.

I don't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance or not, but he's not this good old boy of a boy you're painting him out to be. No way. He lives like a bum. He's involved in all things druggy. He's abusive. He's a mess, frankly. I feel sorry for his little boy.

And speaking of his little boy: the $400 he spent for more ink would have bought lots of food for Junior, and clothes -- and that's what a good dad would have done with the money.

A tatoo wouldn't be on the list of things to do except for a low life like this guy who has a history of making all the wrong decisions.

Can you really say who is a 'good old boy' or not? Sorry, but is it really so black and white to you? OK, he smoked some pot, and doesn't have a condo in Miami Beach or Santa Monica, but the court awarded him custody of his two children, so he is obviously capable of taking care of them, and I am sure his little boy has enough food, clothes and shelter. He has been as involved in the search for Haleigh as it has been possible for him without jeopardizing the investigation, and even though I may or may not agree with his choice of lifestyle, I do not see how that's relevant here, because Haleigh's disappearance has nothing to do with Ron smoking pot or getting tattoos (and maybe that's his way of unwinding, whereas others might take walks or drink heavily).

JMO

[omsk99]

Haleigh: 21 days and counting

"Officials on Monday continued their practice of not discussing the results of the investigation by county, state and federal authorities.

"There is nothing new to report," Capt. Dick Shauland, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Monday."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txt

[emdragon]

Not sure where the Tat info is coming from and how true it is, but I know it doesn't matter if it were false as these same people attacking Ron for getting a Tat would then be attacking him for NOT getting one. The guy can't win and I myself am happy he isn't trying.

The posters who feel their lives are so perfect that they can throw stones clearly do not understand a couple of things-
the first is depression, to be in the bowls of darkness with no light at the tunnel is pure Hell. You do what you have to in order to feel better even if for only 20 minutes or so.
Then I would say you don't understand "cutters" cutters, usually female- feel so much pain on the inside that they cut themselves in order to feel a different pain for just a few minutes- the best way I can describe it is wanting to hurt outside more than you do inside.

Now take both of those thoughts and add the culture of Tattoos- Tats HURT the bigger they are and the closer to bone they are the more pain you feel.

perhaps you can stop and think that Ron putting himself in physical pain honoring Haleigh could have saved his life- it gave him a relase of all the pain he holds inside- it will never go away but now he has Haleigh with him always no matter what.

[Mimi428]

because Haleigh's disappearance has nothing to do with Ron smoking pot or getting tattoos

JMO

<snipped>

Until the case is a whole lot further along, I don't think any of us can know whether Ron's daily activities are related to Haleigh being missing. Some of the rumors on other sites indicate that there are people who FIRMLY believe that Misty &/or Ron are not free of associations with drugs & the people who do drugs & the people who sell drugs.

I can guaran-d@m-tee you that the day I get arrested for the charges he got arrested for in Sarasota county back in 2006 is the day that it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to the people who know me, if the charges were later dropped. They will either know with certainty that I was unfortunate enough to be driving somebody else's car & had no idea drugs were in it - or that I was just mighty lucky that the charges were dropped & I got away with what I was doing.

They sure wouldn't be claiming I wasn't involved with drugs unless they had a rock solid alternate explanation for how the heck I got arrested on those drug charges.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Not sure where the Tat info is coming from and how true it is, but I know it doesn't matter if it were false as these same people attacking Ron for getting a Tat would then be attacking him for NOT getting one. The guy can't win and I myself am happy he isn't trying.

The posters who feel their lives are so perfect that they can throw stones clearly do not understand a couple of things-
the first is depression, to be in the bowls of darkness with no light at the tunnel is pure Hell. You do what you have to in order to feel better even if for only 20 minutes or so.
Then I would say you don't understand "cutters" cutters, usually female- feel so much pain on the inside that they cut themselves in order to feel a different pain for just a few minutes- the best way I can describe it is wanting to hurt outside more than you do inside.

Now take both of those thoughts and add the culture of Tattoos- Tats HURT the bigger they are and the closer to bone they are the more pain you feel.

perhaps you can stop and think that Ron putting himself in physical pain honoring Haleigh could have saved his life- it gave him a relase of all the pain he holds inside- it will never go away but now he has Haleigh with him always no matter what.

Heres a pic of the tat. Click on 'his daughter image'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/3/3/443877.html?title=Father+of+Haleigh+Cummings+visit s+Bay+area

[omsk99]

Not sure where the Tat info is coming from and how true it is, but I know it doesn't matter if it were false as these same people attacking Ron for getting a Tat would then be attacking him for NOT getting one. The guy can't win and I myself am happy he isn't trying.

The posters who feel their lives are so perfect that they can throw stones clearly do not understand a couple of things-
the first is depression, to be in the bowls of darkness with no light at the tunnel is pure Hell. You do what you have to in order to feel better even if for only 20 minutes or so.
Then I would say you don't understand "cutters" cutters, usually female- feel so much pain on the inside that they cut themselves in order to feel a different pain for just a few minutes- the best way I can describe it is wanting to hurt outside more than you do inside.

Now take both of those thoughts and add the culture of Tattoos- Tats HURT the bigger they are and the closer to bone they are the more pain you feel.

perhaps you can stop and think that Ron putting himself in physical pain honoring Haleigh could have saved his life- it gave him a relase of all the pain he holds inside- it will never go away but now he has Haleigh with him always no matter what................

:thumbup:

[HI_CYCLE]

Hi Liz, You got that right!!.....AND I would sell my soul to get a good Private Detective.When is the last time a PD found a missing child?/ The finest trained investigators there are is on this case. The FBI are specially trained in finding and investigating missing children.

[omsk99]

Well, since le hasn't given them anything else to go on, I would like to think I would presume my daughter to be alive, it would give me hope and therefore, instead of going to get tats, I would fill up the tank and drive all over, hanging up flyers and begging every single person I came into contact with, to please help me find my daughter. I wouldn't wait around for other people to help me, I understand they have lives and need to move on. However, I would not rest until I moved mountains to find my missing child.

jmo's

And what makes you think he isn't doing just that? Because he got a tattoo? :confused:

[Kelly3820]

I don't know what I would do nor do I ever want to know. I never want to be in that club. I don't how these parents breathe or get up in the morning. But if it takes a beer or a tatto so is fine by me. I am not going to say what I would do cause I don't and never want to find out.

[emdragon]

Well, since le hasn't given them anything else to go on, I would like to think I would presume my daughter to be alive, it would give me hope and therefore, instead of going to get tats, I would fill up the tank and drive all over, hanging up flyers and begging every single person I came into contact with, to please help me find my daughter. I wouldn't wait around for other people to help me, I understand they have lives and need to move on. However, I would not rest until I moved mountains to find my missing child.

jmo's

LE hasn't given them anything to say Haleigh isn't alive? Really? What were the cadaver looking for if it wasn't Haleigh?

[Kara]

It's in the video that was posted about him getting a tattoo. The reporter said that the employees of that tattoo parlor didn't want to be on tape but said that he didn't talk about his daughter, just about all the money they were receiving. Did you watch the video?Wow...and complaining about the media atention. You would think he would be grateful for the attention until his baby girl is brought home.

Most parents of missing children would give their right arm to have the media exposure Haleigh has been getting.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree with everything you just said. I am not sure what the big deal is about him getting a tattoo. Would I have waited? Yes, I would have waited, but I am not him. People make different choices all the time. IIRC, the news stated that someone paid for the tattoo, not that donation money was used to get it, so I am unsure where the outrage about using the donation money for it is coming from. I did not hear anything about donation money being used. I am more outraged that Junior was put in front of the media.

When Crystal first said something on NG about Junior talking about the man in black, Ron's mom got on NG and told NG that she did not agree with what Crystal did b/c it put the little boy in jeopardy.
Then when Crystal gets her weekend visitation, instead of giving the boy a sense of normalcy, she parades him out for, no less, GR. Ron and his family has always asked that Junior's face be blocked out of anything that goes on the news with him in it. I think they don't believe they should change their stance, which is why I believe MG asked that his face be blurred out.
Kinda moot at this point, but I think their point would be, they are not the ones putting him in jeopardy by putting his face out there for the world to see, it is the mother's family.

Anyway, JMO.

I was further perplexed by the change to a black man in black allegation. We have to remember JUNIOR did a better job of being cute and chomping down on treats for Craig blurting out an occasional uh-huh...almost like the court transcript with the Magistrate IMO.

So Crystal seemed to be putting words in his mouth literally and JUNIOR simply nodded and uh-huhed IMO. Remember, he even stated Misty was there too UH-HUH... and we just don't know but I tend to believe Ron and Misty are not directly involved in Haleigh's disappearance. While I'm not accusing Crystal of anything other than poor choices and putting her child in jeopardy on FOX, I do find it interesting he supposedly said this and it went from a man in black to a black man in black per Crystal. :confused:

P.S. I am an equal opportunity accuser too! I think Ron has made poor choices too, but he has managed to keep those children cared for and was at least willing to get them to healthcare no matter what IMO. That gives him a leg up with me and I have to admit that some of the photos suggest a deep connection between father and child for me. Crystal throws out the allegations, but when push comes to shove, she seems to land on Ron's turf saying she knows he loves the children and would not harm them. JMO:crying:

[HI_CYCLE]

Haleigh: 21 days and counting

"Officials on Monday continued their practice of not discussing the results of the investigation by county, state and federal authorities.

"There is nothing new to report," Capt. Dick Shauland, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Monday."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txtSounds to me like Dad is doing just what LE has advised him to do.
Now Mom, that is a different story. I guess she see's it different then LE.

[emdragon]

I didn't say that, but nice trying to misconstrue my words. I said le hasn't given them anything to GO ON. Ron's own mom believes to this day that Haleigh is still out there, so what you are saying is Ron believes Haleigh is dead?

jmo

I think the heart always holds on to hope but the brain speaks of statistics and sees 21 days go by. Do you believe she is alive? Myself I hope she is but logically I know she probably isn't.

[madge]

That $400 bucks would most likely have rented a huge billboard somewhere for about a month. Instead, her face is stencilled on his leg covered by jeans. He looked high as a pine on that video as well. Instead of moaning about the media he ought to be thanking the heaven for ANY time to get her name out there. Why the heck didn't he take some fliers with him and plaster the place with them while he was there. Breakdown my arse, he's just being stupid here. He has never IMO sounded hopeful about her and I think he darn well has a good idea why she was taken and by whom.

[omsk99]

No, because of the articles I have read, the video footage I have seen.

Wow, you honestly think he hasn't been involved enough? :huh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Hey, you, come off of that cloud...LOL

You're making this guy sound like a saint. And a saint he ain't.

I don't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance or not, but he's not this good old boy of a boy you're painting him out to be. No way. He lives like a bum. He's involved in all things druggy. He's abusive. He's a mess, frankly. I feel sorry for his little boy.

And speaking of his little boy: the $400 he spent for more ink would have bought lots of food for Junior, and clothes -- and that's what a good dad would have done with the money.

A tatoo wouldn't be on the list of things to do except for a low life like this guy who has a history of making all the wrong decisions.

Should we all bow down now?

Do you critique everyone in this manner or just the alleged low lifes you deem unworthy?

WOW, JUST WOW. :blushing:4u

Peace Out.

[Mimi428]

Sounds to me like Dad is doing just what LE has advised him to do.
Now Mom, that is a different story. I guess she see's it different then LE.

Do we know anything, in general or specifically, about what LE has advised Ron to do? I don't think I know, but if you do I would certainly appreciate the info. I'm sure I have missed many of the different articles from one day to the next, so I may have missed something regarding what LE advised either of the parents. TIA

[omsk99]

Wow...and complaining about the media atention. You would think he would be grateful for the attention until his baby girl is brought home.

Most parents of missing children would give their right arm to have the media exposure Haleigh has been getting.

IMO, he has been on TV A LOT, from day one, even when/if he has nothing new to say.

[omsk99]

That $400 bucks would most likely have rented a huge billboard somewhere for about a month. Instead, her face is stencilled on his leg covered by jeans. He looked high as a pine on that video as well. Instead of moaning about the media he ought to be thanking the heaven for ANY time to get her name out there. Why the heck didn't he take some fliers with him and plaster the place with them while he was there. Breakdown my arse, he's just being stupid here. He has never IMO sounded hopeful about her and I think he darn well has a good idea why she was taken and by whom.

(Italicized by me for emphasis.)

Have you thought he might be taking sedatives given by doctors? This wouldn't be the first time a grieving parent of a missing child (think of Jessie Marie Davis, as I remember her mom looking the same way when she was missing) has to do that to go and speak on TV over and over again, and simply to function.

[Susie419]

I think givers are compassionate and very smart at the same time. You probably wouldn`t understand, but that's OK, your loss my gain. Money is NOT worth a darn without love, but is wonderful when it fit`s together. But this is my feeling's, but it doesn't make people less smart because they give........:mellow:****************************** ************************************************** **************************

All of this speculation and judgement of what is the right way to act, or the right/wrong thing to do , IMO, is getting ridiculous.
Everyone is different. We are products of our environment, and it isn't fair to a person to impose our own judgements of wrongdoing just because we disagree with it b/c 'we' would do it differently.
As for giving $$$, give with a good heart, without expectations of how that person should spend the money. Once the money leaves our hands, it's no longer ours, therefore, we cannot dictate how we want it spent.
Having worked in homeless shelters in the past, it would always bug me that people would withhold $5 dollars cash from a homeless addict because the preconcieved notion was that he would spend the money on alcohol/drugs, not food! IMO, so what. Charity is giving, period!
If the addict chooses to buy $5 of drugs or liquor, that's his choice, since the money was given to him and now belongs to him. It's not our call that he needs food, don't give him money.
None of us really know what happened to Haleigh. It's easy to form opinions and judgements,(I too am guilty of that)and it's hard to refrain from expressing our suspicions and judgements,but fighting and arguing over these issues should stop. I wish we could all agree to disagree, and all be of one body ,united in the hope that little Haleigh is found safely, and refrain from hurling accusations at the grieving victims who just can't seem to do anything right under public scruitiny.
Peace to all, can't we all just get along?:sad:
You're all a bunch of great peeps, with diverse opinions, and interesting , every one of you...which is why I come here every day, I love reading everyone's views, and agree with all prayers of good will...
God Bless...Susie

[msgatorslayer]

I think the heart always holds on to hope but the brain speaks of statistics and sees 21 days go by. Do you believe she is alive? Myself I hope she is but logically I know she probably isn't.

I would love to think that someone has Haleigh and is taking good care of her. But stats tell me otherwise. I believe someone took her for sexual reasons. She could still be alive, but she's not safe. IMO

[sammy]

Hey, you, come off of that cloud...LOL

You're making this guy sound like a saint. And a saint he ain't.

I don't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance or not, but he's not this good old boy of a boy you're painting him out to be. No way. He lives like a bum. He's involved in all things druggy. He's abusive. He's a mess, frankly. I feel sorry for his little boy.

And speaking of his little boy: the $400 he spent for more ink would have bought lots of food for Junior, and clothes -- and that's what a good dad would have done with the money.

A tatoo wouldn't be on the list of things to do except for a low life like this guy who has a history of making all the wrong decisions.

So agree with you TunaMelt !!
Unfortunately some of his past wrong decisions + his choice of lifestyle/people he chose to associate with ... have most likely cost this little girl her life.
IMO.

[Kara]

i can't imagine waking up one day, thinking 'i want a tattoo of my child that's been missing for 3 weeks'..then i go 2 hours away, with $400.00 to get it...

i wouldn't want to be that far away from the home, all day, just in case my child was found...i'd want to be the first one to see them...

jmo
I'm not a tattoo person but don't think badly of those who are. If he wanted to get a tat, that's fine by me... But the reported comments about all the money he's getting and complaining about the media attention rub me wrong...big time.

[CANDYKISSES]

So agree with you TunaMelt !!
Unfortunately some of his past wrong decisions + his choice of lifestyle/people he chose to associate with ... have most likely cost this little girl her life.
IMO.

Do you think the idea of the other parent paying child support might have helped too? :sneaky:

[crymeariver2006]

Do we know anything, in general or specifically, about what LE has advised Ron to do? I don't think I know, but if you do I would certainly appreciate the info. I'm sure I have missed many of the different articles from one day to the next, so I may have missed something regarding what LE advised either of the parents. TIA


Well, we did hear LE say that they had NOT told anyone not to talk to the media.

And I find it hard to believe that LE told Ron he should drive 2-3 hours away and get a tattoo.

But maybe they do those type things in Satsuma?

[Mimi428]

You would only request a link and there is no link when it comes from someones mouth to someones ears.:wink:

Who are these someones?

Did the mouth of LE tell your ears what either parent had been advised?

Did your ears personally overhear a detective or spokesperson from LE speak into the ears of either or both of the parents?

IOW - how the heck do you or any of us know what words LE has spoken to Ron or Crystal?

See, I could tell you that I have personally, with my own little fingers, dialed up the investigative team & spoke at length to one of, or several of, or all the people working on this case. And I could tell you in great detail what any of them said to me, including that they told me every single piece of advice they gave to each & every family member. Or I could then tell you that it is none of your business what they said to me. But I could still claim that they DID speak to me.

Doesn't make it true or false. It would just be words written on a message board, without a blessed thing to verify any of it.

JMO

[madge]

Sure he may be needing a mild Xanax here and there but I don't think he looked sedated to me. He looked high IMO. Folk inside the tatoo parlor said he seemed more interested in talking about the money he was getting off her disappearance rather than the child itself.

Of course there is no handbook on how you deal with grief but there is such a thing as common sense. Most people with common sense would have used that $400 bucks towards a means to try to get their child found vs using it for some personal thing. This tatoo did ZERO towards getting her found and IMO it hurts the goodwill towards him. I wouldn't give a cent to the fund now, thats just how I'd feel if I had given to it. That poor child can't help it and most likely she is gone forever but still it just leaves a terrible stench.

[Mimi428]

They find missing people all the time. I would do anything I possibly could and hiring a Private Det would be 1st on my list. NOTHING......NADA....NO TATTOO....NOTHING would make me feel better unless I found my child!!....

I have never thank God had a missing child. Nothing can compare with that........however I have had my dog go missing and I did everything possible to get him back. Thankfully a friend who is a Private Det help me track him down to who stole him. It took over 2 mths to get him back and I barely slept or ate. I was on a one tracked mind and could think of nothing but getting him back. I had everyone I knew searching. It would of taken 10 men to strap me down and force me to get a tattoo.

Well, I nevah! I just don't know if I would believe you even cared a little bit about your dog if you didn't hightail it down to the tattoo parlor & get an image of your dog tattoo'd on your leg. Or arm. Or somewhere.

(j/k, that's sarcasm)

Personally, the only real thing that bothers me about this is the time & distance he was away from home base. I don't think I could take a drive of two hours to get there, 4 or so hours to be there, then two hours to get back. I'm also positive that if I had $400 extra that I would first consider taking my other child to someplace kid-geared but low key, something to take him away from the madding crowd, as it were.

JMO

[madge]

How long would you say it took to get that tatoo? Also, he got one for JR as well but wouldn't show it to the media.

[i_pickle]

Gee, I don't know, maybe you could tell me. I am not there to know.
jmoI'm not there either but I can't recall seeing Ron with Jr in any of the video's, pictures I've seen.

Enabling Ron isn't helping anyone, least of all, his children.

[aproudmom]

Heres a pic of the tat. Click on 'his daughter image'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/3/3/443877.html?title=Father+of+Haleigh+Cummings+visit s+Bay+area

Does not say anyone said he was talking about all the money he is getting. Im not judging a parent whos child is missing plus i really dont want to have her thread shut down from fighting.:angry:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/3/3/443877.html?title=Father+of+Haleigh+Cummings+visit s+Bay+area

[Mimi428]

Well, we did hear LE say that they had NOT told anyone not to talk to the media.

And I find it hard to believe that LE told Ron he should drive 2-3 hours away and get a tattoo.

But maybe they do those type things in Satsuma?

I never cotton much to conspiracy theories, but maybe an undercover operative approached Ron & said "dude, you need a break. I know a place a couple of hours away & the guy there does great picture tats. I'll drive you, I'll pay". Then, when they get to the ink shop, the artist is really another undercover operative, so he gets Ron to talk while his tats are being done & all the while, the hidden cameras & mikes are picking up every word Ron says.

Or maybe LE took advantage of Ron being gone for hours so they could place GPS devices on vehicles while he was away.

Elephino.

[madge]

People kill themselves all the time over losing a child. Do you really think 'a mild Xanax here and there' even touches that kind of pain? Wow.

Who said he lost her yet? Does he know something everyone else doesn't. If he stays effed out of his mind he is of no benefit to her or the search for her. I'd also venture to say a xanax is waayy beyond his threshold, especially after seeing his rap sheet.

[HI_CYCLE]

So agree with you TunaMelt !!
Unfortunately some of his past wrong decisions + his choice of lifestyle/people he chose to associate with ... have most likely cost this little girl her life.
IMO.I guess with your criteria that would make every parent that has had their child kidnapped is to blame..... I disagree......I put the blame on the kidnappers not the victims family. I guess you have forgot that parents with, money,good lifestyles and friends are also victims of evil and sick people who kidnap and murder children.

[emdragon]

Unbelievable. The same people going after Ron (as well as Crystal) for still being in the tents are the same people attacking him for being 2 hours away.

I imagine none of you thought about the possibility that for his mental health he might have been told to get away from the area and the media for a day.

As for his complaining about the media- you tell me is Haleigh in that tattoo parlor? Then how does following Ron help in the search for her?

It isn't about Ron it is about Haleigh.

[omsk99]

Honestly? No, I don't believe he has been involved enough. That's just my opinion on it though, doesn't mean a thing in the ding dang world. I just don't see the saint you all speak of.

jmo

In all fairness, I don't think anyone has ever said he was/is a saint. Him, or anyone else, for that matter. IMO

[msgatorslayer]

Does not say anyone said he was talking about all the money he is getting. Im not judging a parent whos child is missing plus i really dont want to have her thread shut down from fighting.:angry:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/3/3/443877.html?title=Father+of+Haleigh+Cummings+visit s+Bay+area

I haven't seen a link about what he was saying while getting his tat work done.

[omsk99]

I'm not there either but I can't recall seeing Ron with Jr in any of the video's, pictures I've seen.

Enabling Ron isn't helping anyone, least of all, his children.

Why would they be releasing any pictures of Jr at all? They don't need to, nor should they, IMO.

[tmw]

My computer dies not like the baynews9 link, is there another?

[madge]

It's a matter of priority I guess! My first priority would be to my child and getting her found. I wouldn't even want to think about being up to 8 hours away from "home" if she was found. Didn't he just say last week he wasn't leaving that tent till she came home?

[Mimi428]

In all fairness, I don't think anyone has ever said he was/is a saint. Him, or anyone else, for that matter. IMO

I don't need him or anyone else in either of the families to be saints.

But whenever I see someone flatly deny they have any drug history, when they clearly do, it pretty much starts the red flags waving.

When asked about drugs, Ron said, "there's NOTHING".

That was not true.

JMO

[omsk99]

I don't need him or anyone else in either of the families to be saints.

But whenever I see someone flatly deny they have any drug history, when they clearly do, it pretty much starts the red flags waving.

When asked about drugs, Ron said, "there's NOTHING".

That was not true.

JMO

I was responding to a post that said we paint him as a saint (just to be clear).

And in his response - there is probably NOTHING right now, can you account for everything you have done in your life at any given moment?

And I know I am repeating myself, but whether he admits to doing drugs, or whatever else, has nothing to do with the search for Haleigh. Those could be red flags about his moral values to you, but they are of no relevance in the search for his daughter, imo.

[emdragon]

OMG all this outrage about the money and someone else paid for it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132714&catid=3

Some of you are really something else.

So now that we know he didn't use money donated for Haleigh what are you going to complain about?

He was 2 hours away? John Walsh was in New York when Adams remains were found, any of you ever criticize him for not staying at home?

[emdragon]

Momo......yeah it says the money will "most likely" be used for a reward......or I have a better idea.......take them all down to Tampa for tattos.

Hey why did that tat not go to up the reward!!

Because the person paying for it wanted to give him a tattoo not add to the reward. You going to now go after the person who gave a gift to a broken man?

Why doesn't the family stop eating and use that money for the reward.

[crymeariver2006]

Now thats funny!!......Sounds like someone in LE is named Zaneida and telling Ron where to go and how to spend other peoples money!


You think the tattoo was in the "script"?

:ohmy:

[madge]

Does anyone have any more news on the fight/robbery that Ron had the weekend before Haleigh went missing?

[omsk99]

OMG all this outrage about the money and someone else paid for it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132714&catid=3

Some of you are really something else.

So now that we know he didn't use money donated for Haleigh what are you going to complain about?

He was 2 hours away? John Walsh was in New York when Adams remains were found, any of you ever criticize him for not staying at home?

I couldn't agree more with all of your posts :thumbup: I am sure something else will be dug up to bash Ronald or Misty or their parents for. I do hope this thread won't be shut down for all the hostility and bashing that's been going on here from almost day one :huh:

[crymeariver2006]

OMG all this outrage about the money and someone else paid for it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132714&catid=3

Some of you are really something else.

So now that we know he didn't use money donated for Haleigh what are you going to complain about?

He was 2 hours away? John Walsh was in New York when Adams remains were found, any of you ever criticize him for not staying at home?

I'm not sure how you translate Ron saying that someone else paid for it into it didn't come from donated funds.

IMO, that's only what Ron says about the cost and who paid for it. That may or may not be the actual truth.

Was John Walsh getting a tattoo when Adam's remains were found?

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone have any more news on the fight/robbery that Ron had the weekend before Haleigh went missing?

You mean the one that Ron said didn't happen, but his mother and sister say it did?

[emdragon]

Oh it still is an interesting place to read about Haleigh, in my opinion. Just because we each hold a different thought or opinion doesn't mean it's not. I wish you luck in finding a place on the internet that will be any fairer or nicer than here. It's not happening and Ron has only himself to blame. No one is saying he had anything to do with the disappearance of his daughter that I know of, what I am saying/questioning is his behavior while his daughter is missing is questionable at best.

jmo

Just what behavior are you talking about? He has helped in the search when he could, begged TES not to leave,he has co-operated with LE and willingly taken a LDT. What is questionable about any of that? He hasn't gone after Crystal with the tabloid entertainment people, they didn't have to search him down to get a DNA sample from him, he hasn't paraded his son in front of the media or put the child in danger by telling the media what the boy "saw"

He got a tattoo BFD

[HI_CYCLE]

"Was John Walsh getting a tattoo when Adam's remains were found? "
No,but I bet Ronald would give up both legs and arms if his Haleigh had been found while he was getting her picture tattooed on his leg.

[crymeariver2006]

"And I find it hard to believe that LE told Ron he should drive 2-3 hours away and get a tattoo."
I think who ever told you that is lying to you. Careful who you believe. MOO:wink:

Do you know how to use the "Quote" function?

Your posts would be so much easier to read IMO.

Because it looks like you've changed my words which is against TOS.

[Texas48]

While I am not an advocate of tattoos, I do know some people consider it almost cathartic and given that Ron seems to show how deeply he is grieving, I am guessing he might have perceived it this way. I also think that getting both of his children done was probably right since we are seeing the anger come out right here. He couldn't do anything right in the eyes of some people no matter what IMO.

IF HE WOULD HAVE THROWN JUNIOR to the WOLVES IN WAITING SATURDAY NIGHT, the BOARDS would still be flaming. But since Crystal with all her credentials decided to throw JUNIOR out there on her WEEKEND VISITATION.....WELL, that is a DIFFERENT STORY IYKWIM. :thumbdown:

JMO
Please..lets not do the HE SAID..SHE SAID....HE DID..SHE DID ..again today. There are NO sides to take here. There is a little girl missing and perhaps dead. jmo

[omsk99]

Why do I keep hearing "I hope the thread won't be shut down"? For what reason? Because we disagree on one issue? Is there someone out there that is purposefully trying to get the thread shut down? Sorry, I just don't see it. But I have had fun reading all your thoughts and opinions and hope to see you all on later tonight, with good news about Haleigh hopefully.

jmo

I didn't mean that specifically about you, just wanted you to know that :seeya:

There just has been so much judging of this family, and some nasty (imo, at least) things have been posted, and I've seen threads shut down for less. By no means it should or would happen if we all just disagree!

[crymeariver2006]

"Was John Walsh getting a tattoo when Adam's remains were found? "
No,but I bet Ronald would give up both legs and arms if his Haleigh had been found while he was getting her picture tattooed on his leg.


Again, please utitilize the "Quote" function.

I wouldn't dream of posting that someone "would give up both arms and legs" in the context of exactly how much of Adam was recovered.

[aproudmom]

I couldn't agree more with all of your posts :thumbup: I am sure something else will be dug up to bash Ronald or Misty or their parents for. I do hope this thread won't be shut down for all the hostility and bashing that's been going on here from almost day one :huh:

Thank you my gosh it was closed down the other day. Play nice kids j/k:rolleyes:

[omsk99]

Actually, if you listen to the GR interview again, he asks Ron if he is on drugs, if he is a drug runner, is an informant, etc. He does not ask if he was any of these things and does not ask if "in the past" he did any of these things. GR was speaking in the present sense and as such, Ron answered no. So, regardless of what his rap sheet says, I don't think there was anything on it to say he has done anything drug related in the last...3 or 4 years. Therefore the answer he gave was truthful if he is not doing anything now.

That's exactly what I said! :thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

I was responding to a post that said we paint him as a saint (just to be clear).

And in his response - there is probably NOTHING right now, can you account for everything you have done in your life at any given moment?

And I know I am repeating myself, but whether he admits to doing drugs, or whatever else, has nothing to do with the search for Haleigh. Those could be red flags about his moral values to you, but they are of no relevance in the search for his daughter, imo.

GR made it very clear he wasn't only speaking about "right now", IMO. If he HAD been speaking about only the present time, I do not think he would have used the words "those arrests", but would have said "these arrests".

"Those" clearly indicate the inclusion of the past. "These" would indicate the present time.

I do not believe it is possible to state with certainty what is & what is not related to Haleigh's disappearance. If, for example, Ron had drugs in the house, it is possible that others broke in to steal his drugs & while they were there they came across Haleigh, awake & out of her bed.

If, for example, Ron &/or Misty hung around people who did drugs, some of those people could be of far worse character than the folks who just want to get high & chill out. They could be the sorts of people who are much more hardened criminals, those who would have no compunction to get rid of a little child who is up in the middle of the night.

Until someone is arrested & we get some indication of whether the arrested person(s) does or does not know Ron, we can't say what is relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. We just do not know at this time.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I did NOT change one word of your post, I cut and pasted just as you wrote it.

Cut and paste is not the same as using the "Quote" feature. That is what I asked you to do.

When you "cut and paste" someone's words and then add your own words directly underneath, no one has any idea whose words they are.

Again, if you are going to quote me, please use the "Quote" feature and then add your own words to your own posts.

It's really quite simple.

[crymeariver2006]

Well we will know when 55 days are up!

Has Ron put a dime towards the reward money? I think he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. No wonder all of a sudden he has came to the decision he does not want cameras around.

Oh man, I thought 30 days was the standard script???

:w00t:

[DenVIP]

what is the latest from LE, have they made any new statements today?

[kalesdan]

Un-freaking believable-

And it will in all likelihood get me banned but so be it.

What kind of people joke about a "script" "Zanadea" and the "tattoo" when this is about a missing little girl, Did you not get enough trash talking with the Anthony's that you have to carry it over to a different case and go after a different family.

Ron did not wait 31 days to report his child missing
Ron has not told repeated and outrageous lies to media or LE
From all we can see Ron didn't kill his daughter.
Ron hasn't put himself in front of the cameras for attention.
Ron was supporting his children with a real job not a pretend one.
Ron has looked for his daughter and has not been out at the bars every night without a care in the world.

What caring an compassionate people you are to find it funny painting Ron in the same light as Casey.

[omsk99]

GR made it very clear he wasn't only speaking about "right now", IMO. If he HAD been speaking about only the present time, I do not think he would have used the words "those arrests", but would have said "these arrests".

"Those" clearly indicate the inclusion of the past. "These" would indicate the present time.

I do not believe it is possible to state with certainty what is & what is not related to Haleigh's disappearance. If, for example, Ron had drugs in the house, it is possible that others broke in to steal his drugs & while they were there they came across Haleigh, awake & out of her bed.

If, for example, Ron &/or Misty hung around people who did drugs, some of those people could be of far worse character than the folks who just want to get high & chill out. They could be the sorts of people who are much more hardened criminals, those who would have no compunction to get rid of a little child who is up in the middle of the night.

Until someone is arrested & we get some indication of whether the arrested person(s) does or does not know Ron, we can't say what is relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. We just do not know at this time.

JMO

Ok, since you brought this up - how is Ron getting a tattoo possibly connected to Haleigh's case? Why were the first 4-5 pages of this thread 'dedicated' almost exclusively to that? Obviously, people are free to discuss what they want on here, but since we are talking about relevance here, and my opinion that most of those things are not of any relevance, just wanted to see what your thoughts are on that connection?..

IMO, so much time on this forum has been spent on bashing Ron, Misty, Crystal, what they do in their spare time, the drugs they did or did not do, trailers they have lived in, the work shifts they have or the absence thereof (as in Crystal's case)... While I understand that we are here to discuss the case and the people involved, I don't think it's fair to bash this family over and over for any pasts "sins" while their child is missing, unless it has something to do with the case. And I know it's been said what if "drugs" have something to do with it, but really - as the same people are quick to point out - where would Ron get the money for that kid of amount of drugs? :rolleyes: JMO

[omsk99]

what is the latest from LE, have they made any new statements today?

Today's reports:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/03/news/news01.txt
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18838209/detail.html
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132714&catid=3 (about the much-discussed tattoo)

[ICE]

I think because there is a lull in the case, and a lack of current info...the tattoo thing becomes bigger then it should be. just saying...

[CANDYKISSES]

Unbelievable. The same people going after Ron (as well as Crystal) for still being in the tents are the same people attacking him for being 2 hours away.

I imagine none of you thought about the possibility that for his mental health he might have been told to get away from the area and the media for a day.

As for his complaining about the media- you tell me is Haleigh in that tattoo parlor? Then how does following Ron help in the search for her?

It isn't about Ron it is about Haleigh.

No Em, not so much there. Even tho his mother spoke out about him being pretty down and going to see the minister.....not a chance for the bashers to let up.

Interesting here for me in that Crystal seems to get a free pass even tho her "poor choices" if you want to call them that....(you know failing to pay child support, failing to seek medical treatment that was FREE to boot, and putting Junior out there on FOX) and hers all pertain to her children, but Ron's poor choices get such foul postings and accusations while outside of being at work when Haleigh disappeared, it seems his poor choices don't pertain to taking care of his children and the videos out there say he was an active parent. JMOOC. :unsure:

Are men being targeted these days no matter what? Are women like Wendy Murphy, Jane and Nancy becoming the hunters? Should all men pay the price for a few bad apples in the bunch? :ohmy:

I dunno, but it sure looks that way to me.

[kalesdan]

Ok, since you brought this up - how is Ron getting a tattoo possibly connected to Haleigh's case? Why were the first 4-5 pages of this thread 'dedicated' almost exclusively to that? Obviously, people are free to discuss what they want on here, but since we are talking about relevance here, and my opinion that most of those things are not of any relevance, just wanted to see what your thoughts are on that connection?..

IMO, so much time on this forum has been spent on bashing Ron, Misty, Crystal, what they do in their spare time, the drugs they did or did not do, trailers they have lived in, the work shifts they have or the absence thereof (as in Crystal's case)... While I understand that we are here to discuss the case and the people involved, I don't think it's fair to bash this family over and over for any pasts "sins" while their child is missing, unless it has something to do with the case. And I know it's been said what if "drugs" have something to do with it, but really - as the same people are quick to point out - where would Ron get the money for that kid of amount of drugs? :rolleyes: JMO

Good post!

I may have issues with Crystal,OK really my issues are more with her mother but good grief ALL of these people are their for Haleigh. They are all in pain and looking for answers. They aren't perfect but at least they give a darn.

Did Casey do so much damage that people can honestly forget that the parents of missing children while not perfect do love their children and care that they are gone?

Please tell me it is time to go if I ever start measuring cases by Casey Anthony.

[aproudmom]

If anyone is referring to my post about this thread being shut down I was not saying we all don't have our own opinions I don't think it would be shut down for that reason I just know i was unable to post the other day because it was CLOSED for a night because people not being polite and so on I read it CW post about it. To me this is about a missing child not a tat and I wish the ones that said money was being talked about would talk on camera so far i have not seen a link or name of anyone and the media is not always so smart if he had not been in his face talking about GR maybe RC would have talked more. who knows like I said I will not judge I dont want to be in his shoes nor do I know all the facts as to why he went there to get it. and maybe he did not want to show his sons pic because it had nothing to do with Jr. it has to do with Haleigh.. Jr. is not missing..some may also have said if he only had her put on him then he had knew she was dead he got both kids not just one...not taking sides just not judging..All JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Please..lets not do the HE SAID..SHE SAID....HE DID..SHE DID ..again today. There are NO sides to take here. There is a little girl missing and perhaps dead. jmo

Given that, I'm certain you have more to offer than the above moral indignation. I'll be waiting right here for your latest information. TIA. :smile:

[crymeariver2006]

No Em, not so much there. Even tho his mother spoke out about him being pretty down and going to see the minister.....not a chance for the bashers to let up.

Interesting here for me in that Crystal seems to get a free pass even tho her "poor choices" if you want to call them that....(you know failing to pay child support, failing to seek medical treatment that was FREE to boot, and putting Junior out there on FOX) and hers all pertain to her children, but Ron's poor choices get such foul postings and accusations while outside of being at work when Haleigh disappeared, it seems his poor choices don't pertain to taking care of his children and the videos out there say he was an active parent. JMOOC. :unsure:

Are men being targeted these days no matter what? Are women like Wendy Murphy, Jane and Nancy becoming the hunters? Should all men pay the price for a few bad apples in the bunch? :ohmy:

I dunno, but it sure looks that way to me.

I'm not giving Crystal a pass by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just not going to roll up a four year old court hearing document and beat her with it every day.

If she goes out and spends $400 on a tattoo, I'd be outraged and rightly so.

But I'm not going to condemn her for buying Haleigh a ten dollar Barbie for Christmas.

How is that even comparable?

[Mimi428]

Actually, if you listen to the GR interview again, he asks Ron if he is on drugs, if he is a drug runner, is an informant, etc. He does not ask if he was any of these things and does not ask if "in the past" he did any of these things. GR was speaking in the present sense and as such, Ron answered no. So, regardless of what his rap sheet says, I don't think there was anything on it to say he has done anything drug related in the last...3 or 4 years. Therefore the answer he gave was truthful if he is not doing anything now.

IMo

I can't listen to it from where I am today, but this is a partial transcript, according to FoxNews...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498155,00.html

Please notice the use of the PAST tense in the questions leading up to the drug questions. I am posting the questions in the order in which they appear. Geraldo is clearly referring to the past.

GERALDO RIVERA : You never backhanded her to the face?

Above question: Past tense.

GERALDO RIVERA : Did you hit Crystal when she was pregnant?

Above question: Past tense. Talking about the past.

GERALDO RIVERA : You didn’t hit her in the back of the head and kick her?

Above question: More questions about PAST behavior.

GERALDO RIVERA : You swear to God you never hit your pregnant woman?

Above question: ditto - asking about the past

GERALDO RIVERA : What about the allegations of cocaine use, methamphetamine use?

WTH would Ron NOW think that Geraldo could not be referring to the past? All the previous questions had been about the past, what was it about the above question that caused Ron to think GR was now ONLY referring to the present?

GERALDO RIVERA : You don’t do drugs? All those arrests were all —

"those...were" - refers to the PAST.

Do you work for the police? Are you an informant?

Above question: Now talking about the present.

And you’ve never been involved in the drug trade?

You've is a contraction of 'you have'. "You have never" - includes the PAST.

But Ron thought all Geraldo was speaking about was the present when he answered, "no nothing" about the drug questions?

Sorry, I don't buy that for one short minute.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I agree with everything you said except that the media should stay away. I hope this tattoo stuff is all over NG, JVM, GVS and GR. It may prevent some hapless, good hearted individuals from sending money to this, um...man.

I also think Haleigh deserves as much air time as Caylee has gotten.

I have donated just like I donate to many other causes. I don't ever give to anyone or any cause with strings attached. Do I know where money I donate to the Salvation Army or Care Australia goes? Of course not but I do my part when I can. I've seen people who receive aid from the Salvation Army trying to buy cigarettes, sodas and chocolates with the money handed to them for living expenses but it doesn't stop me from helping out. When undergoing a tragedy (and even if Haleigh is only missing and not dead, it's a tragedy), people do not always make the best decisions. It is my understanding, however, that Ron was specifically gifted the tattoos so I don't see a problem there. Not being a proponent of tattoos, I don't understand it. However, when my g/daughter died, my DD wanted a small tattoo of an angel on her shoulder. I was horrified but, because it meant a lot to her, I went with her and paid for it. I quite like it now - 10 years later.

Had I known Ron wanted a couple more, I'd gladly have donated the funds for them. I personally think this is much ado about nothing. Odd that nobody who heard him bragging about all the money he's received were prepared to be seen on tv.

[CANDYKISSES]

Cut and paste is not the same as using the "Quote" feature. That is what I asked you to do.

When you "cut and paste" someone's words and then add your own words directly underneath, no one has any idea whose words they are.

Again, if you are going to quote me, please use the "Quote" feature and then add your own words to your own posts.

It's really quite simple.


You mean the QUOTATION marks didn't show up for you? :mellow:

I think everyone understood that, but maybe Coldwater can weigh in on that and the LINKS THREAD for those asking.

While I agree the direct quote feature IS provides is great, I think it's obvious the quotation marks encased your words and the following sentence was from HC. JMO tho.

[aproudmom]

Enabling???

Maybe you haven't seen Jr. in any video's because RC doesn't want to put him in any of the spotlight, unlike his mom. I would think in anyone's world, one child missing is enough.
jmo

I had a real problem with that also for one she should not be putting her child in front of a camera for any reason and second if he did see anything a professional should be talking to him not the media that could only harm a child and put fear in them when you keep asking those questions. all JMO

[ICE]

ICE You are probably right but you know what bothers me most is how we kept hearing how poor the family was then good hardworking money donate......and this happens.

I am just bummed every extra cent is not going to help find her. If nothing else to up the reward!! I used a PI and reward to help find my stolen dog and it worked. No doubt Id do the same for a child of mine. The public sees this and those donations are going probably stop. It irks me to the bone.


I hear what you are saying. I would not get a tattoo in the current situation, but maybe it's something that helps him heal. Maybe it gives him strength. I don't think I could leave the area til' I knew where my kid was.

[sickntired]

Do we know why LE was questioning the neighbor about the sound his doorbell makes? Or the house he used to live in?

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm not giving Crystal a pass by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just not going to roll up a four year old court hearing document and beat her with it every day.

If she goes out and spends $400 on a tattoo, I'd be outraged and rightly so.

But I'm not going to condemn her for buying Haleigh a ten dollar Barbie for Christmas.

How is that even comparable?

I can think of others as depicted in the myspace accounts that might be a bit more applicable IMO, but whatever floats your boat about Christmas. I didn't say anything about Christmas.

I don't need to go back FOUR YEARS and FYI December 27, 2005 fast forward to March 3, 2009 is not four years in my book.

I can go back to Saturday night February 28, 2009 and see she put her child in harm's way by giving an exclusive to Craig and Geraldo. Then I can go back to a document which is pending Haleigh's return about $4,000 in back support and say she was making poor decisions on this end, but Chloe looks dressed very well and Chad did get his order lifted in November 2008. So, I guess if you think that's all old drama, I don't see your point.

Barbie Schmarbie, never stated anything about her giving Haleigh a Christmas present and whether it was an allowable purchase. JMO again. :sad:

[kalesdan]

ICE You are probably right but you know what bothers me most is how we kept hearing how poor the family was then good hardworking money donate......and this happens.

I am just bummed every extra cent is not going to help find her. If nothing else to up the reward!! I used a PI and reward to help find my stolen dog and it worked. No doubt Id do the same for a child of mine. The public sees this and those donations are going probably stop. It irks me to the bone.

If someone gave Crystal a couple hours of pampering- massage,manicure etc. Just to give a mother in pain some type of boost would you attack Crystal for accepting? Would you expect her to turn it down? Would you question why the giver didn't use the money to find Haleigh?

Not one of you stopped to think maybe the person who paid for the tattoo had a connection with that particular tattoo artist and simply told them to give Ron what he wanted?

Are you all so critical that you can not see the need for the parents to take time for themselves and except help for themselves in order to not shut down completely?

[ICE]

It sure seems like crymeariver2006 gets bashed alot here. just saying...

[psbperu]

I think because there is a lull in the case, and a lack of current info...the tattoo thing becomes bigger then it should be. just saying...



ICE:

Have been gone for several days but I agree with you...not unusual to have the focus on extraneous issues, in my opinion, when some of us are frustrated that there is no news of this little girl's whereabouts.

Ron knows he is being followed by reporters so perhaps it was not the best decision to get a tattoo no matter that it was of his daughter.
He has been under a tremendous amount of pressure from LE & family & has done the best he can under the circumstances.

Tough being under the microscope for every move that you make or the moves you don't make.

We are only human & don't always make what others consider the appropriate choice particularly when under emotional stress.

[omsk99]

And you know that how? I am sure whoever that was (if there really was anyone) would understand if the broken man requested that money to go to finding his daughter.

Money for food is a lot different than $400 for a tattoo!

Sorry, I know that question isn't addressed to me, but it doesn't take a genius - if that person wanted to add to the fund, he would have added to the fund and not paid for the tattoo. Regardless, that is what someone wanted to do for Ron - it's a nice gesture and obviously doesn't hurt anyone or the investigation, so what's the big deal? And how do you know that they don't have money for food? :rolleyes:

[Mimi428]

Ok, since you brought this up - how is Ron getting a tattoo possibly connected to Haleigh's case?

To the best of my recollection, I have not claimed that Ron getting a tatto is connected to Haleigh's disappearance. If you find a post of mine where I make the claim that the tattoo IS possibly connected, please point it out to me.


Why were the first 4-5 pages of this thread 'dedicated' almost exclusively to that?

I think I did post on some of the early pages, but I can only answer for myself, I cannot answer for anyone else. Perhaps those who posted on the first 4-5 page will offer their opinions on why they did. My guess is that the tattoo is being discussed because at this point there is nothing else of investigational value to discuss. But again, I can only answer for myself.

Obviously, people are free to discuss what they want on here, but since we are talking about relevance here, and my opinion that most of those things are not of any relevance, just wanted to see what your thoughts are on that connection?..

I do not think I know with certainty what you refer to when you post "most of these things". I DO believe that if Ron &/or Misty was currently doing drugs or were around others who do drugs or sell drugs, then THAT kind of stuff is absolutely relevant.

IMO, so much time on this forum has been spent on bashing Ron, Misty, Crystal, what they do in their spare time, the drugs they did or did not do, trailers they have lived in, the work shifts they have or the absence thereof (as in Crystal's case)... While I understand that we are here to discuss the case and the people involved, I don't think it's fair to bash this family over and over for any pasts "sins" while their child is missing, unless it has something to do with the case. And I know it's been said what if "drugs" have something to do with it, but really - as the same people are quick to point out - where would Ron get the money for that kid of amount of drugs? :rolleyes: JMO

What amount of drugs? I may have missed posts that referred to drugs in specific quantities.

I'm unhappy to hear the Crystal has a significant history of past drug use. I have no idea if she is currently involved. I do have to give her props for admitting her usage in court, when she could have just as easily lied about it.

I wouldn't be nearly so concerned about Ron if he had done the same - admitted to his past use/or abuse/or arrests on drug charges. It bothers me tremendously that at a time that is so critically important, he would lie about something like that. I combine that with his direct contradiction of the fight/gun story told by his mother & either Misty or Crystal (can't remember which of the younger ones remarked about it).

IOW, past sins don't concern me nearly so much as being deceptive today. Deceptive today makes me very concerned that he is not telling LE all there is to know.

JMO

[kalesdan]

ICE:

Have been gone for several days but I agree with you...not unusual to have the focus on extraneous issues, in my opinion, when some of us are frustrated that there is no news of this little girl's whereabouts.

Ron knows he is being followed by reporters so perhaps it was not the best decision to get a tattoo no matter that it was of his daughter.
He has been under a tremendous amount of pressure from LE & family & has done the best he can under the circumstances.

Tough being under the microscope for every move that you make or the moves you don't make.

We are only human & don't always make what others consider the appropriate choice particularly when under emotional stress.

Really nice sane post. Thanks

[sickntired]

If someone gave Crystal a couple hours of pampering- massage,manicure etc. Just to give a mother in pain some type of boost would you attack Crystal for accepting? Would you expect her to turn it down? Would you question why the giver didn't use the money to find Haleigh?

Not one of you stopped to think maybe the person who paid for the tattoo had a connection with that particular tattoo artist and simply told them to give Ron what he wanted?

Are you all so critical that you can not see the need for the parents to take time for themselves and except help for themselves in order to not shut down completely?

I think a lot of people would have a hard time if Crystal was getting a massage and manicure...but that's just MO.

[crymeariver2006]

If someone gave Crystal a couple hours of pampering- massage,manicure etc. Just to give a mother in pain some type of boost would you attack Crystal for accepting? Would you expect her to turn it down? Would you question why the giver didn't use the money to find Haleigh?

Not one of you stopped to think maybe the person who paid for the tattoo had a connection with that particular tattoo artist and simply told them to give Ron what he wanted?

Are you all so critical that you can not see the need for the parents to take time for themselves and except help for themselves in order to not shut down completely?

You better believe there are those who would want Crystal stoned in the town square if she even thought about accepting so much as a cold Pepsi.

Right now, there is no proof that there is this anonymous generous soul who thought buying a tattoo for the father of a missing child even exists. That said, if this person has $400 to spend on what you call "pampering" for someone, it's apparent they aren't affected by the same economic conditions the rest of the country is facing. But, whatever they spend their money on is their business. That is, of course, if there is a "they" that exists.

[Leather&Lace]

And to spend $400 on it? Even if someone else paid for it, that's alot of money for a tattoo

Watching the video, I thought the same regarding the cost of the tattoo. Wonder if that included the cost for the tattoo he got for Junior, his other child? If each tattoo cost $400 then that is $800 for tattoos.

One would think that Ronald Cummings would not be in a tattoo parlor talking about all the donations! People in society are generous when it comes to missing children and their families. I personally think more caution should be given to the spending. I doubt Ronald or anyone in the family is working right now.
JMO

[omsk99]

I had a real problem with that also for one she should not be putting her child in front of a camera for any reason and second if he did see anything a professional should be talking to him not the media that could only harm a child and put fear in them when you keep asking those questions. all JMO

ITA, I don't think there is any reason at all why Jr. should be shown on TV or anywhere else.

[sickntired]

Do we know why LE was questioning the neighbor about the sound his doorbell makes? Or the house he used to live in?

Bumping my own post because there has to be some importance to this questioning.

[crymeariver2006]

Bumping my own post because there has to be some importance to this questioning.

The doorbell?

Well, LE did say they had gotten about a 100 tips from psychics.

If I had to guess, they followed up on that.

:shrug:

I don't understand checking on THAT particular house and doorbell. Especially since the guy doesn't even have a doorbell.

[Mimi428]

(Colored what I am going to respond to)

Geraldo said " You don't do drugs.", not "You didn't do drugs?" or "You have never done..."

don't is present...didn't and done is past

JMO

JMO

The questions start in the past tense, then include one in the present tense, then are asked again in the past tense. I pretty much have to believe that anyone with a functioning brain, standing in front of the questioner, could follow the gist of the questions. "Are you now? Have you ever?"

I believe Ron DID understand he was being questioned about the past as well as the present, because it sure doesn't take an English grammar aficionado to follow those questions & what timespan they were referring to.

JMO

[Peaches]

Heck, I would probably be one who would get a tattoo of her right away, a small attempt to feel she was close to me. I imagine he's grasping for whatever little thing that might make him feel better right now and there is no way I would judge how anyone else chooses to show love and hope. imo


Well Said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[breeze53]

I NEVER said they did not have money for food. You have to consider the post I was quoting and you should be able to figure it out.

Look you are reading a sampling of what people will feel about the totality of what happened at the tattoo shop. Not just the $400!.......I did not want to see the public turn on Ron. He needs the very cameras he is now saying he does not want around. He needs the public's help and donations to find that little girl. He needs that reward as high as possible. I would hire a Private Det if I had to sell my soul to do so.

I want her found and if there is a chance she is alive Ron needs not to alienate the people. It does not take a genius to figure that out!


What happened at the tatoo shop I am way way behind today...thanks!:w00t:

[Mimi428]

Respectfully snipped

Do we know if RC lied to LE about any of this??? If he is on the up and up with LE, then what he says to reporters really doesn't concern me.
jmo

I have no clue what he did or did not tell LE.

But I cannot dismiss what he says in front of the media. When you lie in front of the media & the case is as alarming as this one is (child is missing, thoughts are that she has been abducted), your image & your words are going to be seen & heard by people in the relevant area who know you. It is desperately important that people get the notion that what they see & hear is the truth. Because if they see & hear lies, it has too much potential to poison their thinking. Then, they may not help. They may throw up their hands in disgust. They may think, "oh yeah, if he's lying about THAT, he probably is lying about not knowing what happened to his child".

I sure hope no one I know is ever in Ron's position, in front of the media with the story being that their child is missing. Because if I see & hear them telling what I KNOW to be lies on camera, it is going to cause me a h#ll of a lot of anxiety about the rest of their story.

JMO

[Peaches]

I agree Pickle.....We are just giving a sampling of what the public is also thinking. The very same public Ron needs right now and begs for help every time we see him. The money he seems to be receiving from good hard working people could dry up real quick. For one reason or another he needs to think of his image with the public if he expects anyone to continue helping him.


And.....................some of us are the other side of that sampling.

[CelticDawn]

I'm sorry. Maybe I missed it. How was he careless? Wasn't he at work and Misty was the one actually physically watching Haleigh?
Maybe I am misunderstanding your sentence...:confused:

I dont think most trailer park people actually liver in those places BY CHOICE....do you?....and Ron may have been careless in letting Misty stay with his kids<I dont know....she might be more together than their Mom...or Ron....>....I dont know....but RON was NOT present ...If he were...I seriously doubt a "man in black"<If that was really the case> would have dared intrude.

[Mimi428]

Want the board to stay open? Discuss things that are at least somewhat related with the case. Do not discuss other posters. Do not trash the family members. (criticize is probably ok, slander/libel is not)

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

It was just a rumor, never verified although Geraldo did ask about it..

Well, Misty seemed to think it's true. It was reported that she told Ron that the child wasn't being cared for properly (in her opinion) and that he needed to try and get it. Why would she say that if Ron wasn't the father? What business of it would be his?

Then Misty leaves that hateful message on the girl's MySpace about getting her man and her baby too.

I'm no Barry Scheck, but I'd say there's at least a 99.99% chance that the other baby is his. :wink:

[Mimi428]

Do we know why LE was questioning the neighbor about the sound his doorbell makes? Or the house he used to live in?

The only thing I have read about it so far is that LE were interested in a doorbell that chimes like a grandfather clock. Apparently they were following up on a tip.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18842351/detail.html


Does make you wonder, doesn't it?

(especially since I have a grandfather clock in the house!)

[TunaMelt]

I'm sorry. Maybe I missed it. How was he careless? Wasn't he at work and Misty was the one actually physically watching Haleigh?
Maybe I am misunderstanding your sentence...:confused:

He leads a careless lifestyle.
It's not a complicated concept.

I don't think you misunderstand what I'm saying -- more likely you think he provides a pretty fine life and style and quality of living for his family.

If that's the case, I disagree.

I maintain that his lifestyle is "careless." Reckless, which is, to me a part of being careless. Dangerous. Careless. He really could care less, or he'd do something about it, for the sake of his kids at least.

Oh: Going to work while your child-girlfriend is back home at the trailer allegedly taking care of your kids, does not get you a big gold star for Great Parenting.

Like I said, he's careless with his life -- and those dependent on him, who are in his life.

[IlliniFan]

Hi there Horse! Yes I agree I do not want to get it shut down either.

I am curious about the doorbell also.

A theroy about it is in my head but I will have to know more before I guess at something. If there is info out there to be had the good posters here will find it out.


I'm curious about the doorbell also. I can't recall, did they want to know if the tenant's door bell "chimed",,?.....I guess said person didn't have a doorbell....

I'd be curious to read your theory..

[WhiteShark]

If my kid were missing, LE can talk all they want. I'm still looking.

I agree, and so would I. Ron has physically participated in searches from the beginning.I do understand how it could be iffy should he find anything, but I would bet he doesn't search alone, he probably has a search buddy to back him up. Know what I mean?

[crymeariver2006]

Barry Scheck.......LOL!.....You have a good memory!

I just got back (from getting a tat) and am wondering about the door bell.
Did you say it did not work?

The guy that owned the house said he didn't even have a doorbell.

Boy your tattoo person works fast! :ohmy:

[CC I See]

The only thing I have read about it so far is that LE were interested in a doorbell that chimes like a grandfather clock. Apparently they were following up on a tip.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18842351/detail.html


Does make you wonder, doesn't it?

(especially since I have a grandfather clock in the house!)..... although I don't know anything about this tip, it sounds like something a Psychic would relate from a vision. "I hear a doorbell that chimes like a grandfather clock."

Most strange that they would hunt down this kind of doorbell for any other reason.

[WhiteShark]

Mark L caught hell for sitting in a corner of a bar, by himself, and drinking a beer while Jessie was still missing. He was taking a break from long hours of searching.
Once your in the media spotlight, your every move is scrutinized.

Oh so true Ms. Gator-------and Mark did absolutely nothing wrong. Mark was slammed so badly at times. At least justice was finally doled out for Jessica. IMO, his case is one reason why I immediately gave Ron and Misty the benefit of the doubt so early in this case. I remember Mark's parents didn't hear anything either............(I know, they weren't in the same room...)
I hope Mark is talking to Ron, as they have walked in the same shoes.

[WhiteShark]

Can you really say who is a 'good old boy' or not? Sorry, but is it really so black and white to you? OK, he smoked some pot, and doesn't have a condo in Miami Beach or Santa Monica, but the court awarded him custody of his two children, so he is obviously capable of taking care of them, and I am sure his little boy has enough food, clothes and shelter. He has been as involved in the search for Haleigh as it has been possible for him without jeopardizing the investigation, and even though I may or may not agree with his choice of lifestyle, I do not see how that's relevant here, because Haleigh's disappearance has nothing to do with Ron smoking pot or getting tattoos (and maybe that's his way of unwinding, whereas others might take walks or drink heavily).

JMO

Excellent.........I ditto your post, now that my BP is coming down.