Saturday 2/28

[beachpatty]

The wait seems eternal for all the caring posters here, I just can't fathom what the family is going thru. You can see the love Ron has for his babies in the Utube video, it's heatbreaking.

They are all in my prayers. Please Lord, bring Haleigh home today, safe and well.

Beachpatty

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3742645&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/


Thanks for all the updates. Can Crystal not talk at all without her mother chiming in? I think if given just a minute to get her thoughts together she would be fine but her mother always interjects and points the finger at Ron and Misty.

[crymeariver2006]

Did anybody see JVM last night?

[beachpatty]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/amber-alert-haleigh-anne-marie-cummings-5-missing-from-putnam-county-florida-police-have-new-leads/



Make sure you read the comments.


That's quite a shocker, you always get the "rest of the story" from thw locals. Maybe that's why Misty isn't hanging close to Ron? That in itself opens alot more possibilities, aside from the fact that if it's true, the kids were probably left alone. Wonder who was watching?
Beachpatty

[PBJMOM4]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/amber-alert-haleigh-anne-marie-cummings-5-missing-from-putnam-county-florida-police-have-new-leads/



Make sure you read the comments.

WOW, now there's a "bombshell!"
I've not heard of an "Uncle" Misty has been with.
Is this sight legit? I stuck it in favorites folder anyway.
Thanks.

[Regina.Lampert]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/amber-alert-haleigh-anne-marie-cummings-5-missing-from-putnam-county-florida-police-have-new-leads/



Make sure you read the comments.

Thank you for that link. One of the commentators asked a very good question - Did Misty have her own key to that trailer. I wonder what the answer is?

[beachpatty]

I have no idea if its legit or not. I am still searching to see if I can find anything else.

I have been searching, too, nothing so far, but the locals always have the "word on the street" so to speak, Then again, it could well be a rumor that someone started and it has been embellished on.
My gut feeling is still that Misty knows more, or there is more to the story, than she's telling. She must be one hard little cookie if LE has not been able to get the truth from her.
Has Misty been questioned (or interviewed by FBI)? Does anyone know? They seem to have more sophisticated methods, local LE is just that, local LE.
TIA
Beachpatty

[PBJMOM4]

I have been searching, too, nothing so far, but the locals always have the "word on the street" so to speak, Then again, it could well be a rumor that someone started and it has been embellished on.
My gut feeling is still that Misty knows more, or there is more to the story, than she's telling. She must be one hard little cookie if LE has not been able to get the truth from her.
Has Misty been questioned (or interviewed by FBI)? Does anyone know? They seem to have more sophisticated methods, local LE is just that, local LE.
TIA
Beachpatty

I've been searching also, but nothing concrete.
I did find some blog that mentioned Haleigh was last seen in Hermit's Cove. Is that another name for her neighborhood?

[phylcore]

I have a question.I have been bothered by what looks like a bandage on Ron's neck in the first photos.Has this been talked about,I got on late when it first happened,so I didn't read the first comments.TIA

[Texas48]

The wait seems eternal for all the caring posters here, I just can't fathom what the family is going thru. You can see the love Ron has for his babies in the Utube video, it's heatbreaking.

They are all in my prayers. Please Lord, bring Haleigh home today, safe and well.

BeachpattyANOTHER Good morning beachparty. Seems like we are always the early birds. I, just like you, go to bed around 7pm so I am up very early. How many days are we into this case now? Is it 18 or 19? I was glad to see Greta down there lat night..Replayed it this am (thanks to Tivo). Just don't know how long she will stay on this case. I am so afraid all the shows are going to let it go on the back burners. Haleigh needs to stay up front. jmo

[Texas48]

Did anybody see JVM last night? I did watch it cry. Also I have it saved in on Tivo. Does anyone know about Misty's cousin that was there ..rumored to have a fight w/Ron? I believe he lives out of state. Does anyone know when he left Florida to go back home? How long before Haleigh went missing did he leave? Hope this make sense. lol Oh yea..good morning cry.

[odyssey]

I have been searching, too, nothing so far, but the locals always have the "word on the street" so to speak, Then again, it could well be a rumor that someone started and it has been embellished on.
My gut feeling is still that Misty knows more, or there is more to the story, than she's telling. She must be one hard little cookie if LE has not been able to get the truth from her.
Has Misty been questioned (or interviewed by FBI)? Does anyone know? They seem to have more sophisticated methods, local LE is just that, local LE.
TIA
Beachpatty


I had already heard about the uncle rumour. Pretty sure I read it in one of these daily threads a few days back. This is the only message board I really follow .. There have been many rumours flying around about Misty being gone for three days prior. One involves the uncle, one says Ron kicked her out for doing drugs around in or around the trailer and another was that she left on her own and ron "dragged her back after three days".
I'm not sure if any of them are true. For all I know her parents could have been having a problem and she went home a few days to help... or something horrible could have happened or she may not have even been gone for three days. So far all of it is just rumour feeding rumour.

Whether Misty had anything directly or indirectly to do with little HaLeigh's disappearance, I feel like LE has as much difficulty believing her complete innocence as many posters here do. I know there are definitely questions I would like to ask her.

moo

[IlliniFan]

Gm,

I watched Greta and have a question. Did I hear Crystal's mom mention her 9 year old daughter? I didn't know she had a daughter that young, that is if I heard correctly.

Aslo, anyone know who the father is??

just curious...wish I had DVR'd

tia

[crymeariver2006]

I did watch it cry. Also I have it saved in on Tivo. Does anyone know about Misty's cousin that was there ..rumored to have a fight w/Ron? I believe he lives out of state. Does anyone know when he left Florida to go back home? How long before Haleigh went missing did he leave? Hope this make sense. lol Oh yea..good morning cry.

Joe the Cousin?

He lives in TN, IIRC. One of the reporters talked to him off camera and he said that he had been interviewed and then they (whichever LE interviewed him) left. The reporter said something about him having been back in TN some 3 weeks prior to Haleigh going missing.

As to the fight, Ron's mother and sister said there was a fight. Ron said there wasn't.

On JVM last night, she point blank asked Capt. Dick Schlaund (sp?) why Ron hadn't at least been cleared because he was at work, his alibi was firm, right? The Capt. replied that yes Ron was at work, however, they don't know what time Haleigh actually went missing.

Surprising. Does that mean that Misty's brother, nor the A/C guy can put Haleigh at the house when they were there?

[beachpatty]

Gm,

I watched Greta and have a question. Did I hear Crystal's mom mention her 9 year old daughter? I didn't know she had a daughter that young, that is if I heard correctly.

Aslo, anyone know who the father is??

just curious...wish I had DVR'd

tia

I heard that on the video too, I believe it is one of the links posted here this am, by MomofaMarine. I think she stated that the deadbolt on her door was at about the same level as the door lock and her 9 year old daughter can easily open it. When I read it, i wondered what connection she had in using that as a comparison. Not quoting as I was only on coffee #1 at the time.
Beachpatty

[Texas48]

Joe the Cousin?

He lives in TN, IIRC. One of the reporters talked to him off camera and he said that he had been interviewed and then they (whichever LE interviewed him) left. The reporter said something about him having been back in TN some 3 weeks prior to Haleigh going missing.

As to the fight, Ron's mother and sister said there was a fight. Ron said there wasn't.

On JVM last night, she point blank asked Capt. Dick Schlaund (sp?) why Ron hadn't at least been cleared because he was at work, his alibi was firm, right? The Capt. replied that yes Ron was at work, however, they don't know what time Haleigh actually went missing.

Surprising. Does that mean that Misty's brother, nor the A/C guy can put Haleigh at the house when they were there?TY for clearing up the question about Misty's cousin and when he left Florida. I think many of us questioned "WHEN" was the last time Haleigh was seen OTHER than Misty. Could it be possible she did leave the house to go to the "Party house" and returned just before Ron was to get home and that is when she found Haleigh missing? That being said...Haleigh could have been gone hours before anyone knew it. Just questions/thoughts. No answers as usual. IMO Misty is the key.

[PBJMOM4]

Lol, It's legite. It's my site and kudos to you for asking the question. People should question information and what sites they are on.

Thanks for "favorites foldering" me

Thanks Blink,didn't mean to offend {don't think I did} but I {myself} had not read that part about the Uncle before.
I wonder why none of the "Everybody who knows about the Uncle" hasn't come forward ON TV.
Just hard to keep track of what is fact or rumor.
Thanks again.

[IlliniFan]

Joe the Cousin?

He lives in TN, IIRC. One of the reporters talked to him off camera and he said that he had been interviewed and then they (whichever LE interviewed him) left. The reporter said something about him having been back in TN some 3 weeks prior to Haleigh going missing.

As to the fight, Ron's mother and sister said there was a fight. Ron said there wasn't.

On JVM last night, she point blank asked Capt. Dick Schlaund (sp?) why Ron hadn't at least been cleared because he was at work, his alibi was firm, right? The Capt. replied that yes Ron was at work, however, they don't know what time Haleigh actually went missing.

Surprising. Does that mean that Misty's brother, nor the A/C guy can put Haleigh at the house when they were there?


I caught the discussion re: Ron's alibi and not knowing when Haleigh went missing. Are we to assume that the brother was not there that evening, or if he was there that he didn't see Haleigh?? Or that LE is not trusting the story from the brother?

I thought a Great Grandma (?) dropped off some clothes a couple of hours after Misty's brother left. Is that fabricated, or did Grandma not see Haleigh???

Since Ron was at work, I can only assume police question these visits later that evening in an effort to verify that Haleigh was there???

Am I making sense? lol

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Praying for some news this morning....

[Armchairdet]

I wonder the same thing PBJ. Something like "THe Uncle" usually gets thrown out there pretty fast. I don't think I have missed too much and this is the first time I have heard of Uncle. Someone/something NEW for a new day.


Good morning everyone.


I wonder if there is some confusion between the uncle, and the cousin that Misty doesn't trust? Who is different yet again than the cousin that is currently in jail for some such crime? Unless I am confused which is totally possible.

[odyssey]

I wonder the same thing PBJ. Something like "THe Uncle" usually gets thrown out there pretty fast. I don't think I have missed too much and this is the first time I have heard of Uncle. Someone/something NEW for a new day.

Except that it isn't new (though may well be to you so can seem like new news lol). From what I have read, rumours of the uncle have been batted around since I believe the 15th or so.

moo

[Armchairdet]

Joe is not in jail. He is back home in Tenn., and as been cleared by LE

moo

I know. That is why I mentioned that phrase that I did about the other cousin being different than the one she does not trust. IMO

[odyssey]

Joe is not in jail. He is back home in Tenn., and as been cleared by LE

moo

Yes .. she mentioned two cousins though ... the other cousin is in jail for (don't quote me) molestation I believe .. think his name is Jeremy Miller (moo jmo imo)

[Pag Boi]

Custody Petition, I still don't see why Ron got custody.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

My guess is that Ron at least seemed willing to take the kids to their scheduled DR appts. Or maybe it was b/c she did coke while pregnant? Or couldn't remember all the places she had lived in the last 3 months? Or that her own mama had reported her to DFS? She couldn't substantiate any of her claims against Ron? Lots to pick apart in there.

I don't know why either was considered a possible fit parent but Ron seems to me to be the lesser of 2 evils at the time.

After looking at all the pix of Haleigh I believe he took good care of her. She seemed so happy.

Haleigh come home :rose:

[IM4Truth]

I corrected my post when I proofed it after the fact. SORRY! I did read it was WS. Nice site you have made BTW

Can I just ask if You do know that Ron's mom doesn't work for Putnam Co SO? post #27 is just fubar

I think Ron's mom is a dispatcher.

[Texas48]

Yes .. she mentioned two cousins though ... the other cousin is in jail for (don't quote me) molestation I believe .. think his name is Jeremy Miller (moo jmo imo) Oh My..too many cousins and too many uncles. Yep..I may have missed something.

[IM4Truth]

Unfortunately, I have to sign off and sign back in on the laptop to do some real work today. Ending with my thoughts though on how sure Theresa Neves was that her daughter was not "out there" in the woods or in the dumpster. I think the entire family has an idea "who" has Haleigh but may not know "where". Don't know if they are admitting it to LE or not, but I feel like there will be a break soon. Later peeps!

[Armchairdet]

IsJeremy really her cousin though? In the geneology of Misty's family FWIR, the Miller name does not appear. I'm a little sketchy on him being a relative.

moo



Ok. Then I will change here on this post to : 'And another man said by some to be a cousin but without proof of such, that is in jail on charges of such a nature'

I was not trying to deceive, just to point out actually, how confusing it can be.

Also my moms sister was married a couple of times, and so my aunts children had a couple of different last names. Those were all different than our families last name because my mom and my aunt took their husbands names. Anyway, we still were cousins IMO

[crymeariver2006]

I caught the discussion re: Ron's alibi and not knowing when Haleigh went missing. Are we to assume that the brother was not there that evening, or if he was there that he didn't see Haleigh?? Or that LE is not trusting the story from the brother?

I thought a Great Grandma (?) dropped off some clothes a couple of hours after Misty's brother left. Is that fabricated, or did Grandma not see Haleigh???

Since Ron was at work, I can only assume police question these visits later that evening in an effort to verify that Haleigh was there???

Am I making sense? lol

I don't know what or who to believe.

Misty only mentions the brother and the A/C guy as being the only visitors.

Misty never mentions the Great Grandmother being there or dropping off clothes.

We have never heard via the media from either Misty's brother or the A/C guy.

Several days later, Ron's mother mentions the Great Grandmother (Annette Sykes, IIRC), saying that she sent a "family member" over there to check on the children and drop off clothes. GGM Sykes later says that it was she who dropped off the clothes and saw Haleigh and Jr. on the porch eating dinner around 7 p.m.

None of this has ever been confirmed by LE.

But the question remains, IF Misty's brother, the A/C guy, and GGM Sykes are all telling the truth and put Haleigh at the house after Ron is supposedly at work, why can't Ron be cleared?

[Armchairdet]

Oh no, I wasn't implying that you were trying to *deceive*. I just think if this Jeremy was a relative and Misty's mom pressed charges, it would cause havoc and dissension in that family. I have no idea if he is her cousin, but I do have doubts.

Its all good friend.

moo



:thumbup: Ok. Keep in mind too, at least in some circles the use of the word cousin is well...used in a somewhat loose manner. IMO

Kind of like saying anything from, 'my moms best friends kids', to My dads first wives kids from a different marraiges half siblings of his new wifes...oh never mind. :laugh:

But yeah I don't know if he is a cousin either, and you are right that would cause havoc if Misty's mom pressed charges on a family member. IMO

[odyssey]

IsJeremy really her cousin though? In the geneology of Misty's family FWIR, the Miller name does not appear. I'm a little sketchy on him being a relative.

moo

I don't know if he is her cousin or not but he sure looks like her to me ...

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=3717532


jmo

[kitty1182]

A while back a guy with the last name Padgett was mentioned..Now who was he?

[Texas48]

Okay, I'm confused now. Who is this Uncle everyone is talking about that Misty was with for 3 days? Is it Haleigh's uncle (Ron's brother) or is it Ron's uncle?
Wish I could help you w/your questions but I am MORE confused that you. Dead crawling squirrels I can deal with but this is too much for me.

[PBJMOM4]

Okay, I'm confused now. Who is this Uncle everyone is talking about that Misty was with for 3 days? Is it Haleigh's uncle (Ron's brother) or is it Ron's uncle?

Suddenly I'm singing that kids song, "I'm my own Grandpaw"
Cousin, Uncle, I don't get it.

[Armchairdet]

Suddenly I'm singing that kids song, "I'm my own Grandpaw"
Cousin, Uncle, I don't get it.

I have been singing that for a week. :laugh:

[Texas48]

:thumbup: Ok. Keep in mind too, at least in some circles the use of the word cousin is well...used in a somewhat loose manner. IMO

Kind of like saying anything from, 'my moms best friends kids', to My dads first wives kids from a different marraiges half siblings of his new wifes...oh never mind. :laugh:

But yeah I don't know if he is a cousin either, and you are right that would cause havoc if Misty's mom pressed charges on a family member. IMOYou are correct about having cousins that are actually NOT blood cousins. My parents best friends children and I grew up together and we called each other "cousins". We even called the best friends..aunt and uncle..In this case just don't know. Maybe ::kissing cousins" who knows. Maybe in that area people just don't press charges like any of us would do in cases like that..if that was the case. Back to "what is the case"?..Where is Haleigh? Thats it. I am soooooo confused.

[Texas48]

Suddenly I'm singing that kids song, "I'm my own Grandpaw"
Cousin, Uncle, I don't get it.
Don't feel bad..it has all passed me right by.

[summer4meplz]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0



good Lord!!!

[Rick777]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0


What a wonderful family. Thanks for the link Swar!

[Rick777]

Good morning, thanks to everyone for the welcomes:thumbsup: I've flipped so often on this case my butt is getting rugburn. My thought at this second (and it will change) is bio mom is involved, my gut says yes, my heart and brain say no.


Well Bio mom was said to be out of town when Haleigh disapeared. So her involvement , if any, would be her knowledge of who took Haleigh. I'm with you though, I change my mind everyday! I'm still stuck with the door being propped open, Haleigh being taken right under Misty's nose, and the fact Misty might not have been there when Haleigh was taken.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't know what or who to believe.

Misty only mentions the brother and the A/C guy as being the only visitors.

Misty never mentions the Great Grandmother being there or dropping off clothes.

We have never heard via the media from either Misty's brother or the A/C guy.

Several days later, Ron's mother mentions the Great Grandmother (Annette Sykes, IIRC), saying that she sent a "family member" over there to check on the children and drop off clothes. GGM Sykes later says that it was she who dropped off the clothes and saw Haleigh and Jr. on the porch eating dinner around 7 p.m.

None of this has ever been confirmed by LE.

But the question remains, IF Misty's brother, the A/C guy, and GGM Sykes are all telling the truth and put Haleigh at the house after Ron is supposedly at work, why can't Ron be cleared?

Have you ever considered that possibly Misty was asked if there were any strangers or persons unfamiliar to the children in the home, thus her answer? It could have been asked in a manner that GGM Sykes didn't fit that description IMO. Then as the investigation progressed perhaps some of the questions were fine tuned. It is a possibility IMO unless you have access to a transcript I'm unaware of or a video.

With none of it being confirmed by LE it's really hard to simply judge how some of the information was obtained and if some of it IS WELL UNDER CONSIDERATION with LE IMO.

As for clearing Ron, I don't think this branch of LE is going to clear anyone until they have it figured out and are seeking to bring charges. JMO tho and I find that reasonable. Better to be safe than sorry. Looking at other cases recently, it's possible to sneak out even with cameras on your house. :w00t:

[Regina.Lampert]

Oh My..too many cousins and too many uncles. Yep..I may have missed something.

Oh yes, quite the cast of characters, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SM2RhVItsY) imo.


:tongueside:

[CANDYKISSES]

I've been searching also, but nothing concrete.
I did find some blog that mentioned Haleigh was last seen in Hermit's Cove. Is that another name for her neighborhood?

Can anyone provide a link as to where the original three day bender with an uncle rumor started?

For some reason, it sounds like an inflated version of the cousin who messed with Misty rumor all dressed up and ready to debut IMO.

A link substantiating how it started would be most appreciated before some posters are reporting it as a fact. :thumbdown:

[beachpatty]

Can anyone provide a link as to where the original three day bender with an uncle rumor started?

For some reason, it sounds like an inflated version of the cousin who messed with Misty rumor all dressed up and ready to debut IMO.

A link substantiating how it started would be most appreciated before some posters are reporting it as a fact. :thumbdown:


that came from here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/a...ave-new-leads/

beachpatty

[PBJMOM4]

Can anyone provide a link as to where the original three day bender with an uncle rumor started?

For some reason, it sounds like an inflated version of the cousin who messed with Misty rumor all dressed up and ready to debut IMO.

A link substantiating how it started would be most appreciated before some posters are reporting it as a fact. :thumbdown:

It was posted on page one I think of this thread.

[crymeariver2006]

Have you ever considered that possibly Misty was asked if there were any strangers or persons unfamiliar to the children in the home, thus her answer? It could have been asked in a manner that GGM Sykes didn't fit that description IMO. Then as the investigation progressed perhaps some of the questions were fine tuned. It is a possibility IMO unless you have access to a transcript I'm unaware of or a video.

With none of it being confirmed by LE it's really hard to simply judge how some of the information was obtained and if some of it IS WELL UNDER CONSIDERATION with LE IMO.

As for clearing Ron, I don't think this branch of LE is going to clear anyone until they have it figured out and are seeking to bring charges. JMO tho and I find that reasonable. Better to be safe than sorry. Looking at other cases recently, it's possible to sneak out even with cameras on your house. :w00t:

I wasn't there when Misty was questioned by LE. I've only seen her interviews with Greta, et al.

Greta, in particular, asks Misty about ANY visitors to the house and Misty only mentions her brother and the A/C guy. I've never seen or heard Misty mention the GGM as being a "visitor" to the house that day at all.

I would think, and this is just my opinion, that LE would ask about ANY visitors to the house, be they strangers or family. If nothing but to determine a timeline of exactly who saw Haleigh at the house and what time they saw her.

[CANDYKISSES]

that came from here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/a...ave-new-leads/

beachpatty

WOW PAtty, that site certainly gives out a plethora of information on the visitors. I've never seen a site with so much outgoing information. It seems like all the traffic basically originated from SM today (looks like some friends that get together on the web for coffee and chat) perusing a little board and making the rounds IMO.

LE should be able to nail that down pretty quickly and know if it was rumor or fact, and my money says they have done so, but I can see some forwarded the link other places too.

Amazing what technology will reveal to make some of this easier for LE IMO.

Has anyone else covering the case mentioned this to your knowledge?

[Armchairdet]

Have you ever considered that possibly Misty was asked if there were any strangers or persons unfamiliar to the children in the home, thus her answer? It could have been asked in a manner that GGM Sykes didn't fit that description IMO. Then as the investigation progressed perhaps some of the questions were fine tuned. It is a possibility IMO unless you have access to a transcript I'm unaware of or a video.

With none of it being confirmed by LE it's really hard to simply judge how some of the information was obtained and if some of it IS WELL UNDER CONSIDERATION with LE IMO.

As for clearing Ron, I don't think this branch of LE is going to clear anyone until they have it figured out and are seeking to bring charges. JMO tho and I find that reasonable. Better to be safe than sorry. Looking at other cases recently, it's possible to sneak out even with cameras on your house. :w00t:


I always sort of assumed that Ron's mom may have mentioned her mothers visit to LE that night, and so as you are saying, perhaps LE then asked Misty if anyone else had been to the home. Or something like that. Just an opinion though.


On a side note, I have been wondering who else may have had a key. Perhaps Misty or Ron had given their mothers keys for emergency. I am sure it has been checked out, but I wonder about a misplaced or copied key out there. Or even one hidden outside. For instance just say that Misty did leave the home. Depending on her outfit she may have just wanted to travel light not taking a purse, so hid the key outside. Maybe under a cinder block.

[odyssey]

I wasn't there when Misty was questioned by LE. I've only seen her interviews with Greta, et al.

Greta, in particular, asks Misty about ANY visitors to the house and Misty only mentions her brother and the A/C guy. I've never seen or heard Misty mention the GGM as being a "visitor" to the house that day at all.

I would think, and this is just my opinion, that LE would ask about ANY visitors to the house, be they strangers or family. If nothing but to determine a timeline of exactly who saw Haleigh at the house and what time they saw her.

We don't know everything she did or did not tell LE.

I was jumped on by my best friend's abusive boyfriend several years ago and pressed charges. There were several things that happened .. some of those things SCREAMED in my memory while others whispered.

I gave the best account I could of what happened but at the hearing I had to be prompted/asked questions for certain things to pop back into my memory (like him taking a basket full of cds as he was leaving). I would think it possible that the a/c guy and her brother stood out in her memory more than the great grandmother .. she may have told LE about that visit but it just did not come to her when questioned by media in a twenty second time span.

jmo

[beachpatty]

WOW PAtty, that site certainly gives out a plethora of information on the visitors. I've never seen a site with so much outgoing information. It seems like all the traffic basically originated from SM today (looks like some friends that get together on the web for coffee and chat) perusing a little board and making the rounds IMO.

LE should be able to nail that down pretty quickly and know if it was rumor or fact, and my money says they have done so, but I can see some forwarded the link other places too.

Amazing what technology will reveal to make some of this easier for LE IMO.

Has anyone else covering the case mentioned this to your knowledge?



O no, no, wait, :blush: I did not post that link, that was posted by MomofaMarine this morning with a plethora of other good links, I just copied and pasted it when you asked where that info came from.

I looked and looked and could not find anything else on that subject tho, I was hoping for a more "locals" thread.

beachpatty

[Regina.Lampert]

Good News. The cadaver dogs are returning Saturday! There still is hope.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/27/amber_alert__cadaver_search_dogs_return_for_haleig h_search.html

btw, Scroll down to the second article about the scammers.

moo


Thank you Swarvie. IMO, they aren't bringing out these specialized teams on a whim, they must have a tip.

[CANDYKISSES]

I wasn't there when Misty was questioned by LE. I've only seen her interviews with Greta, et al.

Greta, in particular, asks Misty about ANY visitors to the house and Misty only mentions her brother and the A/C guy. I've never seen or heard Misty mention the GGM as being a "visitor" to the house that day at all.

I would think, and this is just my opinion, that LE would ask about ANY visitors to the house, be they strangers or family. If nothing but to determine a timeline of exactly who saw Haleigh at the house and what time they saw her.

:biggrin:Did you really think I was asking if you were present for the interview?:eek: I had no idea that possibility was on the table.

Rather, I was trying to determine if there was a release of a transcript I had missed or perhaps a video, but for some reason I believe you knew that.

Maybe the clothes were simply left there and they didn't visit per se.

As for your closing paragraph, I've thought many things would be asked and determined in the first few days of an investigation, only to later find it just wasn't so and it came in later interviews perhaps due to a misunderstanding or the way a question was posed. JMO.

JMO

I don't think it's impossible for this to have been an inside crime, I just can't see it at this point given the sparse info LE has put out.

[CANDYKISSES]

I always sort of assumed that Ron's mom may have mentioned her mothers visit to LE that night, and so as you are saying, perhaps LE then asked Misty if anyone else had been to the home. Or something like that. Just an opinion though.


On a side note, I have been wondering who else may have had a key. Perhaps Misty or Ron had given their mothers keys for emergency. I am sure it has been checked out, but I wonder about a misplaced or copied key out there. Or even one hidden outside. For instance just say that Misty did leave the home. Depending on her outfit she may have just wanted to travel light not taking a purse, so hid the key outside. Maybe under a cinder block.

That's a possibility AD, and I hope and pray if there were things she was afraid or ashamed to tell LE, that it has been resolved. :crying:

I would hope and pray Teresa has really emphasized in the early days how important it was to tell the whole truth no matter what or how it made things look to others, as those first hours and complete honesty are crucial in a case like this.

The youtube video really sank my heart and I don't think I've ever prayed as hard as I did in the middle of the night begging God to return her alive and let Haleigh be a miracle for HER WHOLE FAMILY to treasure. I'll bet Butter Bean is beside himself without his sister. :wub:

JMO again.

[crymeariver2006]

We don't know everything she did or did not tell LE.

I was jumped on by my best friend's abusive boyfriend several years ago and pressed charges. There were several things that happened .. some of those things SCREAMED in my memory while others whispered.

I gave the best account I could of what happened but at the hearing I had to be prompted/asked questions for certain things to pop back into my memory (like him taking a basket full of cds as he was leaving). I would think it possible that the a/c guy and her brother stood out in her memory more than the great grandmother .. she may have told LE about that visit but it just did not come to her when questioned by media in a twenty second time span.

jmo

But yet and still, IF all of that is true and she told the police about GGM being there, plus the brother, plus the A/C guy and they have all been questioned - did they see Haleigh there after Ron supposedly went to work? Can they place Haleigh at the house after 4:30 p.m.?

That would clear Ron, IMO.

Why has that not happened?

If they never find Haleigh is no one ever going to be cleared?

[CANDYKISSES]

I think it's quite possible for nobody to be cleared if Haleigh were not to be found.

That said, didn't it take everything short of an act of Congress to get the Ramsey family semi-cleared and they had the resources to push it forward IMOO. :unsure:

[nana6]

Good morning everyone. I wonder if anyone has heard if there are swamps near their home? And if there are have there been searches in any of them?

[CC I See]

WOW, now there's a "bombshell!"
I've not heard of an "Uncle" Misty has been with.
Is this sight legit? I stuck it in favorites folder anyway.
Thanks.... this was a rumor that came out on this board about a week after Haleigh went missing. The poster who posted this information was on another board. He posted this information during the initial search stating the people in the area would not help with the search because of their dislike for the family.... Misty in particular. They stated she was having an affair with Ron's uncle and that Ron knew about it and didn't care. This information was quickly dismissed given the source and the fact that no one could verify the information, it just might be a rumor.

[odyssey]

But yet and still, IF all of that is true and she told the police about GGM being there, plus the brother, plus the A/C guy and they have all been questioned - did they see Haleigh there after Ron supposedly went to work? Can they place Haleigh at the house after 4:30 p.m.?

That would clear Ron, IMO.

Why has that not happened?

If they never find Haleigh is no one ever going to be cleared?

I really don't get much of a vibe from this LE. I have waffled on whether or not they really know anything or if they were just over their heads even with all the assistance the media(if they can even be trusted in this case) says they have gotten from the fbi and other counties.

I first thought it was great they were withholding so much info because I would rather be in the dark than put this child in (any more) jeopardy. Now I believe that if they really don't know anything and are not close they should release what they can and pray it helps.

It is possible they have not cleared Ron because they don't know *what* happened and perhaps they don't know if there is any obstruction of justice maybe? pure speculation ..
Also maybe not clearing him might appear to take the pressure of the real perp(if it is a stranger who did it then if the focus is on the family and SO's are being announced as not being suspects or persons of interest then they may relax and slip up).

Everyone should install motion detector cameras at all possible entrances to their homes .. it may not prevent something bad from happening but there would be a place to start anyway.


jmo

[Texas48]

:biggrin:Did you really think I was asking if you were present for the interview?:eek: I had no idea that possibility was on the table.

Rather, I was trying to determine if there was a release of a transcript I had missed or perhaps a video, but for some reason I believe you knew that.

Maybe the clothes were simply left there and they didn't visit per se.

As for your closing paragraph, I've thought many things would be asked and determined in the first few days of an investigation, only to later find it just wasn't so and it came in later interviews perhaps due to a misunderstanding or the way a question was posed. JMO.

JMO

I don't think it's impossible for this to have been an inside crime, I just can't see it at this point given the sparse info LE has put out. Sparse? All I have in the form of information from LE is that Haleigh is missing. Not judging LE as I would never do that. They do the best they can with what is thrown at them. jmo

[Texas48]

... this was a rumor that came out on this board about a week after Haleigh went missing. The poster who posted this information was on another board. He posted this information during the initial search stating the people in the area would not help with the search because of their dislike for the family.... Misty in particular. They stated she was having an affair with Ron's uncle and that Ron knew about it and didn't care. This information was quickly dismissed given the source and the fact that no one could verify the information, it just might be a rumor.Oh My CC I See. Cousins with cousins..nieces with uncles..Quess I am just too old to crasp all of this rumor or not. I see it as "kinda keep it in the family." I hope it is all rumor for ALL the children involved in this family clan. Has to be rumor. Makes me feel better this way. lol..jmo

[Texas48]

I really don't get much of a vibe from this LE. I have waffled on whether or not they really know anything or if they were just over their heads even with all the assistance the media(if they can even be trusted in this case) says they have gotten from the fbi and other counties.

I first thought it was great they were withholding so much info because I would rather be in the dark than put this child in (any more) jeopardy. Now I believe that if they really don't know anything and are not close they should release what they can and pray it helps.

It is possible they have not cleared Ron because they don't know *what* happened and perhaps they don't know if there is any obstruction of justice maybe? pure speculation ..
Also maybe not clearing him might appear to take the pressure of the real perp(if it is a stranger who did it then if the focus is on the family and SO's are being announced as not being suspects or persons of interest then they may relax and slip up).

Everyone should install motion detector cameras at all possible entrances to their homes .. it may not prevent something bad from happening but there would be a place to start anyway.


jmoInstall motion detectors..good idea..IF..BIG IF..I had to live in that area ..45so in a 5 mile radius..I would be moving..if not, board up windows and doors. no wander Ron had a gun. Of course..this does bring Haleigh back now. jmo

[PBJMOM4]

... this was a rumor that came out on this board about a week after Haleigh went missing. The poster who posted this information was on another board. He posted this information during the initial search stating the people in the area would not help with the search because of their dislike for the family.... Misty in particular. They stated she was having an affair with Ron's uncle and that Ron knew about it and didn't care. This information was quickly dismissed given the source and the fact that no one could verify the information, it just might be a rumor.

Thanks for the clarification. It was the first time I had heard of an Uncle, which now maybe never happened or it was the cousin they meant. Who knows.I guess no one really knows anything with certainty, being that LE hasn't said much.

[TxLady2]

Gm,

I watched Greta and have a question. Did I hear Crystal's mom mention her 9 year old daughter? I didn't know she had a daughter that young, that is if I heard correctly.

Aslo, anyone know who the father is??

just curious...wish I had DVR'd

tia


Apparently she remarried when Crystal was a teenager, I heard her say that she and Crystal's dad moved to that area when Crystal was a year old, and lived there for 15 years. So Crystal is around 14 or 15 years older than this 9 y.o. daughter. I assume the Griffis husband is the dad or maybe Johnny is the dad, I don't know. Marie is probably in her 40's, I am guessing.
And guess what? I remarried, and had my 3rd son when I was 41, just 2-1/2 months before I turned 42. He is 17 years younger than my middle son, and 20 years younger than my oldest. How's that for shockers?

[TxLady2]

good Lord!!!

Yep!
I disagree with one thing on that list, though. Haleigh does NOT have any cousins or relatives on Misty's side of the family. Misty and Ron are not married, so she is not even a stepmom to the kids, therefore her relatives are not Haleigh's step-relatives, technically. Just wanted to point that out.

[odyssey]

Yep!
I disagree with one thing on that list, though. Haleigh does NOT have any cousins or relatives on Misty's side of the family. Misty and Ron are not married, so she is not even a stepmom to the kids, therefore her relatives are not Haleigh's step-relatives, technically. Just wanted to point that out.
it's possible she could have relatives in common with Misty through blood, not marriage. The man my mother has been with for years and years is very distantly related to my late father (very distantly). They can have relatives in common that have nothing to do with Ron. Heck she and Crystal could be related somewhere down the line lol

jmo

[VC2]

I really don't get much of a vibe from this LE. I have waffled on whether or not they really know anything or if they were just over their heads even with all the assistance the media(if they can even be trusted in this case) says they have gotten from the fbi and other counties.

I first thought it was great they were withholding so much info because I would rather be in the dark than put this child in (any more) jeopardy. Now I believe that if they really don't know anything and are not close they should release what they can and pray it helps.

It is possible they have not cleared Ron because they don't know *what* happened and perhaps they don't know if there is any obstruction of justice maybe? pure speculation ..
Also maybe not clearing him might appear to take the pressure of the real perp(if it is a stranger who did it then if the focus is on the family and SO's are being announced as not being suspects or persons of interest then they may relax and slip up).

Everyone should install motion detector cameras at all possible entrances to their homes .. it may not prevent something bad from happening but there would be a place to start anyway.


jmo

At this point Haleigh is almost certainly dead. On the minute chance she is alive clearly saying nothing to the public has put no pressure on the perp to cough her up.

I think the best move now would be to go public with much of the information they have - it will not contaminate a criminal case to say some things - to put pressure on the person who perpetrated this horror. Like i said, she is almost certainly dead after this long, pressure might make the suspect do something..such as move her body or bury some other items etc etc. Even talk to a close friend hinting at what they did. It has worked before.

It sure isn't as if they need to worry about trashing the family, that is happening in part because of the lack of information anyway.

That dumpster and all dumpsters of that size so close to the home should have been searched at the start, within hours. WTF were LE doing??? and yes that is something that they could release, such as "we searched it thoroughly, found nothing, but dogs alerted as we went through the area again so did a second search" or "no it was not searched before which is why we needed to do it now". No contamination of the case! That is a fact that will be known to whomever the defense is anyway!

[march27]

As more and more time passes it seems less likely anyone in the family hurt Haleigh and more likely it might have been someone unknown. The only thing that throws my is LE. I understand keeping things quiet but I cant believe they havent come out and said "We've found finger prints that are being processed" or " We have DNA from an unknown individual" or anything for the matter. It tells me that they either really have nothing or they are going to shock us all with an out of the blue arrest.

[Pag Boi]

Apparently she remarried when Crystal was a teenager, I heard her say that she and Crystal's dad moved to that area when Crystal was a year old, and lived there for 15 years. So Crystal is around 14 or 15 years older than this 9 y.o. daughter. I assume the Griffis husband is the dad or maybe Johnny is the dad, I don't know. Marie is probably in her 40's, I am guessing.
And guess what? I remarried, and had my 3rd son when I was 41, just 2-1/2 months before I turned 42. He is 17 years younger than my middle son, and 20 years younger than my oldest. How's that for shockers?

I am not sure who is the father of Marie's 9yo. She had a dv dispute with someone other than Johnny or Bruce in 2000 IIRC

Johnny Sheffield, Crystal's bio dad has a 3yo w/his wife Connie. Would that make Haleigh older than her aunt?

Don't leave out the stepbrother/fiance. I guess Bruce and Marie are now married and related by blood via Chloe. JMOO

I hope they will soon pretend to be a one big, happy family until Haleigh is back home :rose:

As the world turns.........if your world is Satsuma.

[Pag Boi]

Yep!
I disagree with one thing on that list, though. Haleigh does NOT have any cousins or relatives on Misty's side of the family. Misty and Ron are not married, so she is not even a stepmom to the kids, therefore her relatives are not Haleigh's step-relatives, technically. Just wanted to point that out.


bold above by me. Maybe that is the problem? If there were marriages, would relations be more defined for them?

Ron and Crystal never married
Ron and Amber never married
Crystal and Chad are not married yet

It's very confusing for this out-of-towner to keep up with. JMOO

[Pag Boi]

Originally Posted by momofamarine
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/18/a...ave-new-leads/


After reading this, I understand Crystal and her Mom much better. I'm sure the people in the area are telling them these stories and many, many others we are not aware of.

I pray that little Haleigh is returned soon and safe.

Crystal's daddy lives there. Why didn't they tell him? The area isn't but so big. Surely, he or Connie would have heard these "rumors?" Maybe not. They might be scared of him if they know about his "sheet", JMOO.

[IlliniFan]

Apparently she remarried when Crystal was a teenager, I heard her say that she and Crystal's dad moved to that area when Crystal was a year old, and lived there for 15 years. So Crystal is around 14 or 15 years older than this 9 y.o. daughter. I assume the Griffis husband is the dad or maybe Johnny is the dad, I don't know. Marie is probably in her 40's, I am guessing.
And guess what? I remarried, and had my 3rd son when I was 41, just 2-1/2 months before I turned 42. He is 17 years younger than my middle son, and 20 years younger than my oldest. How's that for shockers?

Just got back from shopping and saw your reply.

I didn't intend to infer that Crystal's mom was to old to have a nine year old..lol...

I just hadn't heard her mention this younger daughter is all...I didn't DVR Greta last night when she mentioned this, and wasn't certain I heard Marie correctly....that's all...nothing more. But I was curious who the dad was...

My SIL and Brother had their first child when my SIL was 40....so again that wasn't the issue...

[Mimi428]

I hope the police didn't already mess this case up.

<snipped>

I am not nearly so inclined to think LE is not up to snuff in this case.

In the first place, the FBI gets involved immediately. They have Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams.

Here's some info on how the FBI works with local LE on cases like this...

http://www.fbi.gov/card/

And here is a short excerpt...

The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 48 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.

In addition to their unique expertise, CARD Teams are capable of quickly establishing an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.

We might not like how much info is (or isn't) being released, but I don't think it is because LE is not on top of the case, to the best of their abilities. I think there is much they know that we do NOT know.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Crystal's daddy lives there. Why didn't they tell him? The area isn't but so big. Surely, he or Connie would have heard these "rumors?" Maybe not. They might be scared of him if they know about his "sheet", JMOO.

OK, now I'm confused. RE: your sentence: "They might be scared of him if they know about his "sheet". Who is "they"? Who is "him"?

TIA

[kitty1182]

Has it ever been mentioned who's car that is in the front yard of the home? It also looks like there are 2 other vehicle's by the back of the home.

I've wondered that myself..I hope the trunks in those cars have been checked..

[Pag Boi]

OK, now I'm confused. RE: your sentence: "They might be scared of him if they know about his "sheet". Who is "they"? Who is "him"?

TIA

:rolleyes:




Him = Johnny Sheffield

"They" per Jessica's post #91,= are the people in the area are telling them {Crystal & Marie} these stories and many, many others we are not aware of.


I have no idea who "they" are. I was just wondering why "they" waited to tell Crystal and her momma "these stories" now that Haleigh has disappeared? Her daddy lives in "the area." Wouldn't he already know "these stories and many others?"

If he hasn't heard them, I wonder if they are even true?

Why wouldn't "They" telll Johnny "these stories?" Are "they" scared of him? His rap sheet is only slightly shorter than Ron's

You'll have to aslk Jessica who "They" are since it was originally her term and in her post.

I replied to her post. Now yours....

Haleigh :rose:
JMOO

[odyssey]

That isn't where it originated from. I can't find it right now but a link to the article was posted a week or so ago. It was to a news site, not that site.

I was thinking it might have started on topix.com but am not positive.


I would like to know what HaLeigh's normal habit would be if she hadda go pee in the middle of the night. I have been trying to think who might have left the kitchen light on. Does it sound reasonable that she might have turned on the light to go pee herself and either walked into a burglar or one broke in while she was in the bathroom?

Little questions i would like answered
1. What did HaLeigh typically do if she woke in the middle of the night to go pee?

2. What is the *absolutely for sure* floor plan of the trailer?

3. Was the "tree chair" fingerprinted?

4. What is the train schedule for the night of her disappearance?

5. Did any neighbors have any repairmen handymen etc. around their homes within the last few weeks before her disappearance?

that's enough of the little q's for now

thanks for reading if you do

jmoo

[odyssey]

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TCMDHFLKTOQP1NM7O/p17

message #348 on this page, the part in Quotations. It is like 3rd or 4th party hearsay.


jmo

[odyssey]

i have been trying to keep up with this case as much as I can. In the begining I kept praying that this was not going to be another case like Caylee.
I have a real hard time with all the rumors and stories that are floating around about all the people involved here. Why must people be so vicious about others? This case is about a little 5 year old baby that is not where she should be. I am very confused about this case and the more I read the worse it gets. The focus should be on Haleigh and nobody else.
I just wish all these people would tell LE would tell the truth about when Haleigh was last seen. It really bothers me that Misty might not have been home all that night with the kids. What is wrong with people. A 17 year old should know that you do not leave children alone. Anything can and does happen.
I was really surprised that Ron had hired a 17 year old to take care of the children while he worked. The children probably would have been better off with their grandmother. There are too many things that can happen to children when they are left alone especially at night.

I keep praying that Haleigh will come home safe and alive. I am usually pretty optomistic but I am having serious doubts with as long as it has been. I just hope something breaks soon so all the lies and rumors can come to a stop.

jmoo

I may have missed something in your post so am confused. If you already know what I am typing please disregard lol
I am not certain if you know, but Ron did not hire Misty as a babysitter, she is his girlfriend. And while it is rumoured she may have left the children alone, she denies it and we don't have any confirmation either way.

jmoo

[odyssey]

I have worried about this since I saw it. Placed right where a small child would grab her daddy's neck. It bothers me terribly.

I think that Ron and Misty know exactly where this child is. I dont believe their story, haven't from the beginning. I'm just waiting for an arrest. Ron's mommy is the block in this story and she is using her "position" at work, FWIW. And that's not much.

Where is Ron's daddy in all of this, Mr Neves? Is there a boyfriend or a husband? If there is, he's been well hidden.

Kat

You do know TN does not work for Putnam county and is a dispatcher in another county, yes?
And while anything is possible i see truly no time that Ronald could have harmed HaLeigh since police have said he was at work UNLESS the grandmother the brother and the a/c man did not see HaLeigh after Ronald left for work ... don't see it happenin but stranger things have ..


jmoo

p.s. ... not you specifically but i have noticed some posters in some places have such a dislike for the person they *think* Ron C is that they perhaps disregard things or bend circumstances facts and times to their 'theories' rather than the reverse .,..

again jmoo

[5boxersmom]

With all these rumors flying around about Misty has there been any posted anywhere about whose vehicle LE took?

Someone local has got to know whose vehicle and what kind was taken.

imo

[odyssey]

BTW a FOUR YR OLD has no CONCEPT of what a "bad man dressed in black" means. This is an adult concept; possibly something Ron told the child so he would repeat it to his mommy and anyone else.

I totally suspect Ron Cummings in this case; based on his abhorent behavior in front of the camera and behind it. Misty, i think she is afraid.
She may want to BE a Casey A, this is also a possibility. They fit the financial profile that maybe they saw this as an Out, financially. Book Deals, movie deals, HLN, Nancy Grace, $$ IOW. Kill your kid, get a book deal and people magazine cover.

Kat

:confused:
What abhorrent behaviour in front of the camera and behind the camera?
Please cite one link besides the 911 call in the minutes after finding his little girl was missing that he has said anything or done anything that others might construe as abhorrent please?

jmoo

[odyssey]

With all these rumors flying around about Misty has there been any posted anywhere about whose vehicle LE took?

Someone local has got to know whose vehicle and what kind was taken.

imo

oh that can be number six of my little questions to know .. forgot about that

jmoo

[odyssey]

During the pc the day the news about a vehicle being searched came out I thought I heard someone on there say it was a truck.

I'm not sure. It may well be. Have they ever said who it belonged to, where it was, and/or why it was taken to search?

I just feel like there is so much more to do .. she is somewhere and has to be found.


jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I have worried about this since I saw it. Placed right where a small child would grab her daddy's neck. It bothers me terribly.

I think that Ron and Misty know exactly where this child is. I dont believe their story, haven't from the beginning. I'm just waiting for an arrest. Ron's mommy is the block in this story and she is using her "position" at work, FWIW. And that's not much.

Where is Ron's daddy in all of this, Mr Neves? Is there a boyfriend or a husband? If there is, he's been well hidden.

Kat


Hey, my DH says the same thing. First time he saw Ron and Misty on tv he said "one of them killed her and the other one's covering it up". His initial though was that she was being punished for something and it went too far.

And that was before he knew about the bedwetting.

Throw in Misty's missing blanket, all the cleaning, the laundry, the taking out of the trash, and a self proclaimed "exhausted" 17 year old....

Who's to say?

:shrug:

[Themis]

I don't know what or who to believe.

Misty only mentions the brother and the A/C guy as being the only visitors.

Misty never mentions the Great Grandmother being there or dropping off clothes.

We have never heard via the media from either Misty's brother or the A/C guy.

Several days later, Ron's mother mentions the Great Grandmother (Annette Sykes, IIRC), saying that she sent a "family member" over there to check on the children and drop off clothes. GGM Sykes later says that it was she who dropped off the clothes and saw Haleigh and Jr. on the porch eating dinner around 7 p.m.
None of this has ever been confirmed by LE.

But the question remains, IF Misty's brother, the A/C guy, and GGM Sykes are all telling the truth and put Haleigh at the house after Ron is supposedly at work, why can't Ron be cleared?
*Bolding is mine

That is what I read also. However, at 7 p.m. the night of 2-09-09 it was a very cool 59° in Satsuma.

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLPALAT3&month=2&day=9&year=2009

How odd that Misty when accounting for all the people who were in the mobile home that fateful day/evening would forget great-grandmother who brought some clothes. [JMO]

[odyssey]

When Ron went to work, did Misty have a car to use (while he was working)? I wonder if that is the car or truck they searched?

I'm not even sure she drives. I believe Ronald has a truck but I've no idea who owns the car that I have seen outside the trailer.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

After hearing how Ron talked to Misty on the 911 call I don't think he would cover up for her if she did something to Haleigh. What do you all think?

[Mimi428]

:rolleyes:

Him = Johnny Sheffield


JMOO

Thanks!

I have no idea what the relationship is between Crystal & her father, Johnny M Sheffield, but I could certainly appreciate that the relationship betweeen her mother & her father may not be real friendly. A quick glance at all the rigamarole in the divorce papers in Putnam County between the two of them gives me the notion that they might not be particularly fond of one another.

And with his other run-ins with LE, I just don't know how much anybody in particular would want to interact with him. I've only looked up stuff for him from Putnam County. But if he is the same guy who had the animal charges, I would be willing to bet he has other charges of a similar nature in other Florida counties.

JMO

[playnice]

After hearing how Ron talked to Misty on the 911 call I don't think he would cover up for her if she did something to Haleigh. What do you all think?

No. I see no reason he would.

[Track292003]

Does anyone know if the door was still "propped open" by the cinder block when the authorities arrived in response to the 911 call?

[playnice]

If Haleigh is no longer alive I hope they find her before she decomposes so bady that evidence is lost so the perp doesnt get away with it. If she isnt found soon this will drap on like Caylees did because stuff is going to start growing soon and it will be really hard to find her.

[Mimi428]

After hearing how Ron talked to Misty on the 911 call I don't think he would cover up for her if she did something to Haleigh. What do you all think?

I think he would, in a very few circumstances.

One circumstance I think he might cover for Misty - if there were pills or other substances in the house that HE was responsible for obtaining. If Haleigh had accidently ingested them, I can see how he would not want Misty telling LE that the reason "substance, pill, tablet, capsule XXXX" was around in the first place is because Ron gets them.

If he did not have the record of arrests for drugs, I would not think of this scenario as being likely. But he has been arrested at least 3 times (2 in Putnam Cty, 1 in Sarasota Cty). I am not entirely convinced he & Misty are entirely clean & sober, if ya know what I mean...

JMO

[sunstar]

I've wondered that myself..I hope the trunks in those cars have been checked..

Hi kitty! Oh I hope so too. I'll never forget the other case where the little boys were missing then found so close to home in the car trunk. :sad:

[crymeariver2006]

I think he would, in a very few circumstances.

One circumstance I think he might cover for Misty - if there were pills or other substances in the house that HE was responsible for obtaining. If Haleigh had accidently ingested them, I can see how he would not want Misty telling LE that the reason "substance, pill, tablet, capsule XXXX" was around in the first place is because Ron gets them.

If he did not have the record of arrests for drugs, I would not think of this scenario as being likely. But he has been arrested at least 3 times (2 in Putnam Cty, 1 in Sarasota Cty). I am not entirely convinced he & Misty are entirely clean & sober, if ya know what I mean...

JMO


That and I would think he would lose custody of Jr. (or come very close to it) if it was determined that their "babysitter" killed Haleigh or was responsible for her death.

[CelticDawn]

That and I would think he would lose custody of Jr. (or come very close to it) if it was determined that their "babysitter" killed Haleigh or was responsible for her death.

Im not arguing but ...on what legal basis would they hold Ron responsible for what the babysitter did?....Im sure DCS would look into it and invade his life to the fullest <which isnt a bad thing>....but unless he was aware and complicit Im wondering how he would lose custody on the basis of the sitters actions.

[sunstar]

After hearing how Ron talked to Misty on the 911 call I don't think he would cover up for her if she did something to Haleigh. What do you all think?

I don't think so either if he knew she'd done anything to Haleigh. He's the one person in this case who seems really upset that Haleigh's missing. MOO

[march27]

A lot of people view Misty as a naive 17 year old, I see her as an advanced 17 year old, skilled in manipulation & beating the system. I'm sure they caught footage of the Casey Anthony/Caylee Anthony crime. Misty probably sat there watching it, thinking *gee, that was easy enough*. I mean, Casey got away with BLATANT lies, over and over and over and pretty much made a mockery out of the le in Orlando. She's still doing it. You can lie as much as you want to le, it's up to them to prove you are lying and to piece the case together. I, too have a deep feeling that this is a copycat case off the Anthony's. Misty has so much more to do with Haleighs disappearance then one can even imagine, imo. Wondering why Ron & Misty haven't been side by side the last few days, despite Teresa announcing they are "still a couple".

There are a billion questions to be answered in this case. I still believe Crystal is disconnected and vacant, not 100% sure she is in the clear either. But one person I continually find in my thoughts is Misty. The 911 calls and calls to family members wil be very interesting. If Ron did punch out at 3:00 am and he only lives 10 minutes from home, what was the other 17 minutes spent doing? If he did get off at 3:00 am and putzed around work for a bit and really did just pull up to the home around 3:25, then it would make it IMPOSSIBLE for Teresa's statement to hold up, she stated Ron called her while Misty was talking to 911. Cell phone pings and activity will be interesting to read and like I said last night, if le doesn't offer anything new or find Haleigh by the end of the weekend, then it is my belief they need to switch it up and use a new strategy because this dog & pony show has gone on entirely too long and it is obvious they are no closer to finding Haleigh then they were day one. Whether fbi is helping or not, this is absolutely ridiculous.

moo
I respect your opinion but your leaving out the fact that Casey's sitting jail. I cant imagine anyone saying or thinking I want to be sitting in jail like her for killing a child jmo of course.

[5boxersmom]

I think he would, in a very few circumstances.

One circumstance I think he might cover for Misty - if there were pills or other substances in the house that HE was responsible for obtaining. If Haleigh had accidently ingested them, I can see how he would not want Misty telling LE that the reason "substance, pill, tablet, capsule XXXX" was around in the first place is because Ron gets them.

If he did not have the record of arrests for drugs, I would not think of this scenario as being likely. But he has been arrested at least 3 times (2 in Putnam Cty, 1 in Sarasota Cty). I am not entirely convinced he & Misty are entirely clean & sober, if ya know what I mean...

JMO

Good points. So if Haleigh did ingest something would there be evidence of it in the house? Vomiting? Or on the bed if there was a urine stain?

I would love to know whose vehicle was taken in by LE.

Did they ever take any of Ron's vehicles that we know of? Whose car is in from of the DW? Is that Ron's? Maybe his mom's?

Why are we not at least hearing rumors of whose vehicle?

imo

[Elle]

After hearing how Ron talked to Misty on the 911 call I don't think he would cover up for her if she did something to Haleigh. What do you all think?

No way do I think that Ron would cover for Misty, no way.

imo

[5boxersmom]

I respect your opinion but your leaving out the fact that Casey's sitting jail. I cant imagine anyone saying or thinking I want to be sitting in jail like her for killing a child jmo of course.

Casey lawyered up right away and never took a LDT. So I would have to wonder why Misty and Ron would not do the same if this was a copy cat.

imo

[march27]

I don't think so either if he knew she'd done anything to Haleigh. He's the one person in this case who seems really upset that Haleigh's missing. MOO

I agree, Ron seems the most innocent of them all. I really do believe his grief is genuine, and his poor mother. I look at Rons mother and I look at Crystals mother. One seems like a very good, loving person, one seems very shady. JMO of course.

[Mimi428]

That and I would think he would lose custody of Jr. (or come very close to it) if it was determined that their "babysitter" killed Haleigh or was responsible for her death.

Yes, I'm sure he would lose custody if it was determined that there were drugs in the house & Haleigh ingested them.

The thing that really sends up flags with Ron to me is his very strange ability to turn on a dime. In the initial reports to LE, he is SO quick to make it known that HE couldn't be blamed. Wasn't him, no-no-no. It was his dumb b#tch GF.

There are times he looks as if he really is feeling genuine grief, but inbetween all of that, he keeps being deceptive. And that makes no sense, unless he is feeling guilt & remorse for something like a substance being in the house that Haleigh could ingest. In that situation, I can certainly understand that he would have genuine grief & mourning over the loss of his child - but would also have the competing emotions of "oh crap, if I tell what REALLY happened, my azz will be grass".

KWIM?

JMO

[5boxersmom]

Yes, I'm sure he would lose custody if it was determined that there were drugs in the house & Haleigh ingested them.

The thing that really sends up flags with Ron to me is his very strange ability to turn on a dime. In the initial reports to LE, he is SO quick to make it known that HE couldn't be blamed. Wasn't him, no-no-no. It was his dumb b#tch GF.

There are times he looks as if he really is feeling genuine grief, but inbetween all of that, he keeps being deceptive. And that makes no sense, unless he is feeling guilt & remorse for something like a substance being in the house that Haleigh could ingest. In that situation, I can certainly understand that he would have genuine grief & mourning over the loss of his child - but would also have the competing emotions of "oh crap, if I tell what REALLY happened, my azz will be grass".

KWIM?

JMO

Bolding is mine.

But if he was at work then it is the truth he is saying. :shrug:

[Mimi428]

I don't think so either if he knew she'd done anything to Haleigh. He's the one person in this case who seems really upset that Haleigh's missing. MOO

The part I wonder about is whether something happened to Haleigh in the house that was NOT directly caused by Misty. Let's say, for an example, that there were drugs in the house because Ron got them & put them in the house.

If there were drugs in the house, it is possible that Haleigh could have ingested something & not because Misty forced the stuff into her. But it would definitely create a situation in which Ron would not be considered at no fault whatsoever. He could face drug charges at the very least. I have no idea what the Florida statutes would be regarding children being harmed by ingesting their parents' drugs, but I'm sure they have something that would cover it.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Bolding is mine.

But if he was at work then it is the truth he is saying. :shrug:

I guess it depends on the definition of "truth".

I don't think LE would think it was nothing more than an accident if a child accidently is harmed by ingesting illegal substances in their home that their PARENT put in the house.

We know Haleigh wasn't a baby - but here's an scenario for you - Mommy does cocaine, Mommy has cocaine in the house, Mommy goes to the corner store & has neighborhood kid watching baby in the house. While Mommy is gone, baby gets into the cocaine & is harmed/dies.

I don't think Mommy would get away & NOT be charged with SOMETHING, in a scenario like that.

JMO

[march27]

Bolding is mine.

But if he was at work then it is the truth he is saying. :shrug:

The theory is interesting but I honestly dont see Misty being able to run around and hide Haleighs body so well and cover up the crime so well that she wouldnt have been arrested yet. I also dont see Ron not rushing home from work if that was the case. He seems very emotional and if that were to happen I dont think he would be able to be calm at work just going about finishing his shift.

[playnice]

I think it's safe to say he was at work that night. If he couldn't be accounted for at work they police would have had him in for questioning a lot more than they have.

LE has said he was at work.

[sunstar]

I agree, Ron seems the most innocent of them all. I really do believe his grief is genuine, and his poor mother. I look at Rons mother and I look at Crystals mother. One seems like a very good, loving person, one seems very shady. JMO of course.

Yes, he seems heartbroken and so does his mother. I'm not sure what to make of Haleigh's mother, she seems so unemotional and detached. Maybe it's the drug use or meds she's on now that Haleigh is missing. :shrug: MOO

[bama__angel]

I think it's safe to say he was at work that night. If he couldn't be accounted for at work they police would have had him in for questioning a lot more than they have.


ITA......I'm sure employees have to clock in and out....JMO

[5boxersmom]

My husband worked at a place on the night shift. Very laid back working at night because all of the Big Wigs have gone home for the day. The place where he worked had 2 plants so often he would have to drive over to the other plant. Some times he was even sent to Lowes or a Menards for tools. Yes they were open. My hubby worked 3 in the afternoon til 3 in the morning. Some employees would take off at supper time and get their dinner or maybe even run a few errands. So it can be done.

True but someone probably would have noticed he was gone. His foreman or a co worker. I am sure LE has checked this out.

My DH's place was the same but they stopped it after 2 employees were in a car accident while on company time. They went out to get food.

imo

[sunstar]

The part I wonder about is whether something happened to Haleigh in the house that was NOT directly caused by Misty. Let's say, for an example, that there were drugs in the house because Ron got them & put them in the house.

If there were drugs in the house, it is possible that Haleigh could have ingested something & not because Misty forced the stuff into her. But it would definitely create a situation in which Ron would not be considered at no fault whatsoever. He could face drug charges at the very least. I have no idea what the Florida statutes would be regarding children being harmed by ingesting their parents' drugs, but I'm sure they have something that would cover it.

JMO
Or with the same scenario, only with the drugs not belonging to Ron but to Misty? I don't think Haleigh accidentally got into a stash and overdosed, but I do still think it's possible Misty was negligent and left it so someone was able to abduct her, if she didn't directly harm Haleigh herself. I still wonder about the brother's visit that evening and how many times he's been questioned by LE. MOO

[5boxersmom]

I guess it depends on the definition of "truth".

I don't think LE would think it was nothing more than an accident if a child accidently is harmed by ingesting illegal substances in their home that their PARENT put in the house.

We know Haleigh wasn't a baby - but here's an scenario for you - Mommy does cocaine, Mommy has cocaine in the house, Mommy goes to the corner store & has neighborhood kid watching baby in the house. While Mommy is gone, baby gets into the cocaine & is harmed/dies.

I don't think Mommy would get away & NOT be charged with SOMETHING, in a scenario like that.

JMO


So you think something like this could have happen and Ron went to work or was at work and knew it happen? Then Misty took care of everything?

Didn't Misty's say her brother was at the house? And the A/C man? So it would have happen when Ron was at work.

I am just not seeing it. Could be though.

imo

[sunstar]

ITA......I'm sure employees have to clock in and out....JMO

I'd think so too along with other co-workers knowing whether he was there or not, and if anything was amiss, Ron would've been questioned by LE as much as Misty. MOO

[Mimi428]

So you think something like this could have happen and Ron went to work or was at work and knew it happen? Then Misty took care of everything?

Didn't Misty's say her brother was at the house? And the A/C man? So it would have happen when Ron was at work.

I am just not seeing it. Could be though.

imo


If anything like that happened, I believe it would have been after Ron went to work. But it could be that he knew something like that HAD happened to Haleigh while he was gone. If any drugs in the house were because of him obtaining him, his behind would be in a real mess.

Florida, like at least a few other states that I know of, has passed some pretty strict statutes because of all the children being exposed to meth. I don't particularly think meth was an issue with Ron and/or Misty, but it is possible.

But just look at the Meth statutes - a parent or caregiver in this situation would be thrown UNDER the jail...

http://www.floridadec.org/FLDEC.nsf/pages/9EA61A5BD3A2D61F852570DF0057CCDE

§ 893.13(1)(g) (Harm to Children).
The manufacture of methamphetamine or the possession of any listed precursor or essential chemical with intent to manufacture methamphetamine is:
a 1st degree felony with a 5-year minimum mandatory if the commission or attempted commission of the crime occurs in a structure or conveyance where any child under 16 years of age is present
a 1st degree felony with a 10-year minimum mandatory if the commission of the crime causes any child under 16 years of age to suffer great bodily harm.

You wouldn't even have to be cooking meth in your home. If you had enough of the ingredients that went into cooking meth, this statute would apply - & the penalties are not insignificant.

Again, I am not saying that Ron &/or Misty were cooking or taking meth. Just pointing out that Florida does have a whole task force for "Drug Endangered Children" - & it seems as if there would be some pretty serious consequences for the adult(s), if a child in their home was EXPOSED to drugs or EXPOSED to people using them.

http://www.floridadec.org/FLDEC.nsf/pages/A14A1228D6C08460852570C9005D95EF

What is a Drug Endangered Child?
Drug endangered children (DEC) are those children who suffer physical or psychological harm or neglect resulting from

exposure to illegal drugs or persons under the influence of illegal drugs.

[playnice]

I'd think so too along with other co-workers knowing whether he was there or not, and if anything was amiss, Ron would've been questioned by LE as much as Misty. MOO

Forget family seeing her. The AC man knows if kids were there. If so that would rule Ron out. I think they arent ruling him as suspect in case he knows who took her. Highly unlikely tho.

[baywench]

Forget family seeing her. The AC man knows if kids were there. If so that would rule Ron out. I think they arent ruling him as suspect in case he knows who took her. Highly unlikely tho.


Strange that we haven't heard anything from/about the AC man. Does seem as though he has important information regarding the timeline. If you don't suspect the parents why keep the timeline quiet? Hinky, hinky case. God bless this baby but I don't think they will ever find her alive. jmo

[playnice]

Strange that we haven't heard anything from/about the AC man. Does seem as though he has important information regarding the timeline. If you don't suspect the parents why keep the timeline quiet? Hinky, hinky case. God bless this baby but I don't think they will ever find her alive. jmo

I agree unless she was taken by a family member. I wish they would question Crystals mom and give her a poly. Something seems off with that woman.

All she wants to talk about is Ron & Misti. Its clear she hates Ron. Question is how much?
I dont think she killed her but having someone snatch her maybe. jmo

[rosieposett]

Or with the same scenario, only with the drugs not belonging to Ron but to Misty? I don't think Haleigh accidentally got into a stash and overdosed, but I do still think it's possible Misty was negligent and left it so someone was able to abduct her, if she didn't directly harm Haleigh herself. I still wonder about the brother's visit that evening and how many times he's been questioned by LE. MOO

Yup. I believe Misty is the KEY to it all. Or knows who is. I don't think she is protecting anyone but herself, still it is possible, especially if she is negligent in anyway along with another. I would like to know also how many times Misty's brother has been questioned and if he allowed his kids to be questioned about that afternoon. The little children probably don't know anything, but the brother could and maybe does know things that happened. I wish I could believe Misty, but I can't. I still see deception in her eyes each time I look at her. jmo

[baywench]

I agree unless she was taken by a family member. I wish they would question Crystals mom and give her a poly. Something seems off with that woman.

I agree but that side of the family just seems to love the spotlight imo. I'm sure Chystal's mom isn't crazy about Ron after all the crap that went back and forth, but still, do you really feel like you need the world to know all your business? The more I hear from them the less I believe anything they say. Can you say "Fifteen minutes of fame"? BTW Is there a way to make this site load faster? It's driving me crazy.

[baywench]

Yup. I believe Misty is the KEY to it all. Or knows who is. I don't think she is protecting anyone but herself, still it is possible, especially if she is negligent in anyway along with another. I would like to know also how many times Misty's brother has been questioned and if he allowed his kids to be questioned about that afternoon. The little children probably don't know anything, but the brother could and maybe does know things that happened. I wish I could believe Misty, but I can't. I still see deception in her eyes each time I look at her. jmo


ITA I also am suspect of her saying she loved those kids like they were her own, they had only been together 5 months FGS. Misty's mom is something else also, yikes. jmo

[playnice]

I wonder about the ex GF Amber that Misti called Ron about then took Ron. I thought I read Misti posted on her myspace awhile back that she got Ron and would get her kid too. Maybe she took her to pay Misti back.jmo

[5boxersmom]

Did we ever find out which Brother of Misty's visited? Was it the one that lived nearby or the one in Daytona Beach?

Phone calls between Misty and Ron would be interesting to see for the 9th. Wonder if he called home to check on the kids? Did Misty ever call him while he was at work?

And once again I want to know whose vehicle LE took. Also if all the blankets were accounted for and whose Van was Misty talking about.

imo

[playnice]

Did we ever find out which Brother of Misty's visited? Was it the one that lived nearby or the one in Daytona Beach?

Phone calls between Misty and Ron would be interesting to see for the 9th. Wonder if he called home to check on the kids? Did Misty ever call him while he was at work?

And once again I want to know whose vehicle LE took. Also if all the blankets were accounted for and whose Van was Misty talking about.

imo

So many unanswered questions. I hope LE has the answer to them.

[Kelly3820]

I just got home from work was anything going on today with the search?

[CC I See]

Something that nags at me here. When the grandmother came by to drop off clothes that evening, she said it was around 7:00. She stated that the children had been fed and bathed....this information is in one of the links somewhere and it I believe was on HLN.

Also, it was stated by Misty that Haleigh was wearing the same pink shirt that she wore to school that day, the pink Hanna Montana shirt when Misty put her to bed. Now if she had been bathed that night, wouldn't Misty have put a clean shirt on her and put the pink shirt in the laundry?

My mind centers on the bath. Could she have put Haleigh in the bath and left her there and she drowned and when she found her, she knew that Ron would "kill her" for this. So she hid her body well enough that it hasn't been found yet. This would explain the statements that she was wearing the pink shirt but it was in the dirty clothes pile, this would explain why she couldn't' say for sure where Haleigh was sleeping since she didn't put her to bed and it would explain the staging of the door to look like an abduction.

I also remember the statement that she made about that night, that she took out the trash. If people saw her do this, it would have already been explained. Her trash bag could have been a big triple wrapped load about the weight of one little girl.

[playnice]

I dont think Misti remembers what she had on. I know one thing. Kidnappers dont take the time to change their clothes. My little gd changes her clothes alot. Could be Haleigh did this. Esp if she was given a sack of clothes. She may have wanted to try them on.

[5boxersmom]

Kinda eerie I noticed in the Youtube video Haleigh is wearing a pink shirt with her panties. Isn't that what she was suppose to be wearing when she disappeared? I can't remember if it is a Hannah Montana shirt or not.

That pink shirt detail is very bothersome to me also.

imo

[playnice]

I just got home from work was anything going on today with the search?

Not that I know of. Its so hard to get news on the weekends.

[Mimi428]

I also remember the statement that she made about that night, that she took out the trash. If people saw her do this, it would have already been explained. Her trash bag could have been a big triple wrapped load about the weight of one little girl.

<snipped>

I don't think Misty put anything in the trash that LE could not find. This article is about the dumpster that was gone through the other night, but it includes some other pertinent info.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29417174/


Investigators said they searched around the same Dumpster in the days after Haleigh's disappearance, but found nothing. They said the never went into the Dumpster until Thursday evening.

According to investigators, all of the garbage in the area in the days following Haleigh's disappearance was taken to a special part of the county's landfill and gone through piece by piece.

They said there was no sign of anything relating to the missing girl.

[Kelly3820]

I dont think Misti remembers what she had on. I know one thing. Kidnappers dont take the time to change their clothes.

No but Grandmother bringing over clothes maybe Haleigh saw something in the clothes and switched her shirt herself and Misty didn't take notice. Maybe Misty remembers what she wore the night before? I don't know but what I do know if LE had anything I mean any evidence that Misty did this she would be locked up right now. I just don't think they have a clue sadly. I mean I just reread the 911 transcript like 3 times if Misty did this we all would have known in the first few hours IMO. With Ron yelling at her and LE grilling her she would have been like jello.

[Themis]

Oh yes, quite the cast of characters, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SM2RhVItsY) imo.


:tongueside:
References: Posts 45 and 52

No wonder they all look alike to me. [JMO]

[Kelly3820]

Not that I know of. Its so hard to get news on the weekends.



Thank you:smile:

[march27]

Something that nags at me here. When the grandmother came by to drop off clothes that evening, she said it was around 7:00. She stated that the children had been fed and bathed....this information is in one of the links somewhere and it I believe was on HLN.

Also, it was stated by Misty that Haleigh was wearing the same pink shirt that she wore to school that day, the pink Hanna Montana shirt when Misty put her to bed. Now if she had been bathed that night, wouldn't Misty have put a clean shirt on her and put the pink shirt in the laundry?

My mind centers on the bath. Could she have put Haleigh in the bath and left her there and she drowned and when she found her, she knew that Ron would "kill her" for this. So she hid her body well enough that it hasn't been found yet. This would explain the statements that she was wearing the pink shirt but it was in the dirty clothes pile, this would explain why she couldn't' say for sure where Haleigh was sleeping since she didn't put her to bed and it would explain the staging of the door to look like an abduction.

I also remember the statement that she made about that night, that she took out the trash. If people saw her do this, it would have already been explained. Her trash bag could have been a big triple wrapped load about the weight of one little girl.



Thats a good theory as well. What might explain her wearing the same shirt is that it could simply have been Haleighs favorite shirt. Being the parent of a five year old, my daughter has a favorite dress that she would wear morning, noon, and night if I let her. I also must admit I have let her wear it much more than she should. So it could just be that the shirt was Haleighs favorite and Misty didnt feel like having a power struggle over the shirt. Still wouldnt explain why is was in the dirty clothes but just sayin'.

[5boxersmom]

No but Grandmother bringing over clothes maybe Haleigh saw something in the clothes and switched her shirt herself and Misty didn't take notice. Maybe Misty remembers what she wore the night before? I don't know but what I do know if LE had anything I mean any evidence that Misty did this she would be locked up right now. I just don't think they have a clue sadly. I mean I just reread the 911 transcript like 3 times if Misty did this we all would have known in the first few hours IMO. With Ron yelling at her and LE grilling her she would have been like jello.

Or maybe Haleigh did have a pink shirt on but not the Hannah Montana pink shirt and Misty did not notice.

imo

[Texas48]

Dogs.......certain breeds like Great Pyrenees would die to protect a child. People even seeing them in your yard is enough to tell the creeps to stay away.If thats the case about the dogs then I would have 3 outside and 3 inside. NO..I would just move. terrible thought that in our Country people have to be prisoners in their own homes. Our children should NOT have to grow up like this. The USA should start with ALL SO. NONE should be allowed to live anywhere but some island far from land or better yet..DP. NO..I am not cold hearted. I just do not believe SO should have the right to leave prison and be among our children..ANYWHERE. Not say this is what happened to little Haleigh..just saying. jmo

[Kelly3820]

Thats a good theory as well. What might explain her wearing the same shirt is that it could simply have been Haleighs favorite shirt. Being the parent of a five year old, my daughter has a favorite dress that she would wear morning, noon, and night if I let her. I also must admit I have let her wear it much more than she should. So it could just be that the shirt was Haleighs favorite and Misty didnt feel like having a power struggle over the shirt. Still wouldnt explain why is was in the dirty clothes but just sayin'.



Thats what I was thinking. A Hannah Montana shirt is very special to a little girl. I know I would not want a power struggle at night having to feed the kids, baths, and put to bed the little ones with no help but thats me.

[march27]

If thats the case about the dogs then I would have 3 outside and 3 inside. NO..I would just move. terrible thought that in our Country people have to be prisoners in their own homes. Our children should NOT have to grow up like this. The USA should start with ALL SO. NONE should be allowed to live anywhere but some island far from land or better yet..DP. NO..I am not cold hearted. I just do not believe SO should have the right to leave prison and be among our children..ANYWHERE. Not say this is what happened to little Haleigh..just saying. jmo



The worse thing is for every SO thats been caught, there are so many more that havent. I also dont think its coldhearted to say DP to all. What laws that are in place right now are obviously not working and we need to protect our children. I just dont understand crimes against children. IMO there is nothing worse.

[Texas48]

I've wondered that myself..I hope the trunks in those cars have been checked..IMO there would be a definite odor coming from the trunk by now. But...they should all be checked.

[Kelly3820]

The worse thing is for every SO thats been caught, there are so many more that havent. I also dont think its coldhearted to say DP to all. What laws that are in place right now are obviously not working and we need to protect our children. I just dont understand crimes against children. IMO there is nothing worse.


I have no problem giving them all the DP. They can NEVER be cured. They are caught and let out and sadly sometimes their victims became SO. They use these poor children and sometimes they live but so many times they kill them and throw them away.

[CC I See]

<snipped>

I don't think Misty put anything in the trash that LE could not find. This article is about the dumpster that was gone through the other night, but it includes some other pertinent info.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29417174/


Investigators said they searched around the same Dumpster in the days after Haleigh's disappearance, but found nothing. They said the never went into the Dumpster until Thursday evening.

According to investigators, all of the garbage in the area in the days following Haleigh's disappearance was taken to a special part of the county's landfill and gone through piece by piece.

They said there was no sign of anything relating to the missing girl.... thanks for this update. I keep thinking that they missed a dumpster that they are unaware of and it was emptied. She might have had a family member of hers not Ron's who helped her.... and they're not saying anything.

[bkb]

Hope u all dont mind me jumping in i live in Ireland so am always plaaying catch up but i just wanted to point out something that might be happening. Ron and Misty may well have been advised not to be 'living' together as it is against the law. Im sure nothing would ever have happened as they were under the radar as such but with being so high profile now if they were to flaunt their relationship in front of LE something would have to be done about it. JMO

[CelticDawn]

Good point bkb...



anybody from FL....What is the legal age of consent there?

was Misty legally emancipated <??

[rosieposett]

Hope u all dont mind me jumping in i live in Ireland so am always plaaying catch up but i just wanted to point out something that might be happening. Ron and Misty may well have been advised not to be 'living' together as it is against the law. Im sure nothing would ever have happened as they were under the radar as such but with being so high profile now if they were to flaunt their relationship in front of LE something would have to be done about it. JMO

Welcome. Good thought. Watching the two of them walking and smoking was getting on my last nerve. I wanted to smack them. I posted it earlier and it is still true, the boomerang comes right back to Misty each and every time. Hope LE can get her to come clean. jmo

[FoxySly]

I agree unless she was taken by a family member. I wish they would question Crystals mom and give her a poly. Something seems off with that woman.

All she wants to talk about is Ron & Misti. Its clear she hates Ron. Question is how much?
I dont think she killed her but having someone snatch her maybe. jmo

ITA!!! There is some real big unhealthy disliking on my bio mom & her mom, the kind of disliking that is scary, that goes to extremes. IMO

Sly

~

[bkb]

Good point bkb...



anybody from FL....What is the legal age of consent there?

was Misty legally emancipated <??

Hi CelticDawn from what I have read here it is illegal in florida for a man over 24 to be living with a girl under 18 Misty just turned 17 in Dec so she was only 16 when they moved in together and I think the emancipation question was asked and answered no on a thread the other day. JMO

[march27]

Hope u all dont mind me jumping in i live in Ireland so am always plaaying catch up but i just wanted to point out something that might be happening. Ron and Misty may well have been advised not to be 'living' together as it is against the law. Im sure nothing would ever have happened as they were under the radar as such but with being so high profile now if they were to flaunt their relationship in front of LE something would have to be done about it. JMO

Very good point I didnt think of that.

[bkb]

Welcome. Good thought. Watching the two of them walking and smoking was getting on my last nerve. I wanted to smack them. I posted it earlier and it is still true, the boomerang comes right back to Misty each and every time. Hope LE can get her to come clean. jmo

Thank u for the welcome much appreciated. I have had that feeling of wanting to smack someone so much when I watch either Misty or Crystal especially Crystal which does not make much sense cos I think Misty must know more but the bio mom pees me off big time.

[Pag Boi]

Strange that we haven't heard anything from/about the AC man. Does seem as though he has important information regarding the timeline. If you don't suspect the parents why keep the timeline quiet? Hinky, hinky case. God bless this baby but I don't think they will ever find her alive. jmo


What I find most strange about this case is that LE has only cleared the SO's. They have not publicly cleared one other person, have they? (I include the alleged pervy cousin in that group.)

IIRC, they came out within a day or two and said they had checked out all +30 RSO's in the area. LE seemed to clear them faster than they did that dumpster on Thursday.

I don't really know what to make of any of it. Maybe they spent a lot more time and carefully cleared them? Or just said that to mislead everyone?? GRRRR.

I so hope this has a happy ending for Haleigh even tho the odds are against it. :rose:

[Texas48]

I agree, Ron seems the most innocent of them all. I really do believe his grief is genuine, and his poor mother. I look at Rons mother and I look at Crystals mother. One seems like a very good, loving person, one seems very shady. JMO of course.
After watching and listening to both grandmothers i have the impression that Ron's mom has a closer relationship w/the children. She is more than likely around them more than Crystal's mom. I do not see anything "shady" about Crystal's mom. jmo

[Themis]

Something that nags at me here. When the grandmother came by to drop off clothes that evening, she said it was around 7:00. She stated that the children had been fed and bathed....this information is in one of the links somewhere and it I believe was on HLN.
Also, it was stated by Misty that Haleigh was wearing the same pink shirt that she wore to school that day, the pink Hanna Montana shirt when Misty put her to bed. Now if she had been bathed that night, wouldn't Misty have put a clean shirt on her and put the pink shirt in the laundry?

My mind centers on the bath. Could she have put Haleigh in the bath and left her there and she drowned and when she found her, she knew that Ron would "kill her" for this. So she hid her body well enough that it hasn't been found yet. This would explain the statements that she was wearing the pink shirt but it was in the dirty clothes pile, this would explain why she couldn't' say for sure where Haleigh was sleeping since she didn't put her to bed and it would explain the staging of the door to look like an abduction.

I also remember the statement that she made about that night, that she took out the trash. If people saw her do this, it would have already been explained. Her trash bag could have been a big triple wrapped load about the weight of one little girl.
Reference Post 171 -- Bolding is mine.

The bolded sentence contradicts what Annette Sykes (Haleigh's and Junior's paternal great grandmother) said as reported in the link below on 2-18-09:

Paraphrasing: She (Haleigh) was sitting on the front porch when we pulled up. Her and Junior sitting there eating.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

I've read this account before and completely missed the 'when WE pulled up.' Who was Annette Sykes with in the car?

No mention of the children already bathed
No mention of dropping off clothes.
No mention in this article of the time Annette Sykes was there.

However, it has been reported in numerous places that she was there at 7 p.m. (or close to it) on 2-9-09.
Note that it was 59° at 7 p.m. in Satsuma; rather chilly to be eating outside on porch. And fairly late to be feeding little guys 4 and 5 dinner, especially since they were put to bed at 8 p.m. according to Misty.

[beachpatty]

The more pictures I see, the more it breaks my heart. These are just plain folks, there's millions of them, here in Florida and everywhere else. Not real educated, not going to set the world on fire, just folks. This little baby girl tears at my heart, her smile, her innocence, her plain joy. Every day was a new day for her and a new chance to learn more, i bet she excelled in school, one of those kids that are sponges for anything they can learn and ask questions till they drive you nuts.

I dunno who took her, i only hope and pray that it's a grudge thing and somebody thought they could force an issue or make a point and it got out of control and now they don't know how to bring her back.

Le or family needs to address this aspect, make it known that Haleigh can be dropped off at any Circle K, Walmart, Police or Fire Station, just drop her off on a corner, I bet she's smart enough to know what to do.

Somebody needs to bring this precious baby girl home.

I'm sorry, my emotions are so strong for this baby,
Beachpatty

[?noanswer]

If anything like that happened, I believe it would have been after Ron went to work. But it could be that he knew something like that HAD happened to Haleigh while he was gone. If any drugs in the house were because of him obtaining him, his behind would be in a real mess.

Florida, like at least a few other states that I know of, has passed some pretty strict statutes because of all the children being exposed to meth. I don't particularly think meth was an issue with Ron and/or Misty, but it is possible.

But just look at the Meth statutes - a parent or caregiver in this situation would be thrown UNDER the jail...

http://www.floridadec.org/FLDEC.nsf/pages/9EA61A5BD3A2D61F852570DF0057CCDE

§ 893.13(1)(g) (Harm to Children).
The manufacture of methamphetamine or the possession of any listed precursor or essential chemical with intent to manufacture methamphetamine is:
a 1st degree felony with a 5-year minimum mandatory if the commission or attempted commission of the crime occurs in a structure or conveyance where any child under 16 years of age is present
a 1st degree felony with a 10-year minimum mandatory if the commission of the crime causes any child under 16 years of age to suffer great bodily harm.

You wouldn't even have to be cooking meth in your home. If you had enough of the ingredients that went into cooking meth, this statute would apply - & the penalties are not insignificant.

Again, I am not saying that Ron &/or Misty were cooking or taking meth. Just pointing out that Florida does have a whole task force for "Drug Endangered Children" - & it seems as if there would be some pretty serious consequences for the adult(s), if a child in their home was EXPOSED to drugs or EXPOSED to people using them.

http://www.floridadec.org/FLDEC.nsf/pages/A14A1228D6C08460852570C9005D95EF

What is a Drug Endangered Child?
Drug endangered children (DEC) are those children who suffer physical or psychological harm or neglect resulting from

exposure to illegal drugs or persons under the influence of illegal drugs.

I have never smelled meth that I was aware of, but I understand it has a distinct odor. If anyone was making/using meth in the trailer, I think LE would have smelled it. I also understand that it is very hard to remove the remmants from the inside of a house. In MS and MO, an owner selling a house is supposed to list if the house has ever been used for making meth, on the disclosure statements. JMO

[Kelly3820]

ITA!!! There is some real big unhealthy disliking on my bio mom & her mom, the kind of disliking that is scary, that goes to extremes. IMO

Sly

~


For me those two never make it about Haleigh its about Ron. I saw the other night that Crystal admitted that Haleigh was Ron's heart. I mean she must have known this all along. She and Ron have a great dislike and that putting it mildy. But she knows that Haleigh is a daddy's girl. She knew from the beginning after sicing Geraldo after Ron that Ron did not hurt Haleigh. I truly don't want to go after Crystal but her and her mom are truly pieces of work. I have never heard Ron's mom say anything bad about Crystal or her family. For Ron's mom its all about Haleigh and finding her.

[Texas48]

Yes, he seems heartbroken and so does his mother. I'm not sure what to make of Haleigh's mother, she seems so unemotional and detached. Maybe it's the drug use or meds she's on now that Haleigh is missing. :shrug: MOOI do not think a person has to SHOW grief as some do. Everyone is different especially if they are in front of the cameras. It is also possible Crystal is on medication for depression. Who knows for sure? For me it is had to judge someone in this situation. jmo

[CC I See]

Reference Post 171 -- Bolding is mine.

The bolded sentence contradicts what Annette Sykes (Haleigh's and Junior's paternal great grandmother) said as reported in the link below on 2-18-09:

Paraphrasing: She (Haleigh) was sitting on the front porch when we pulled up. Her and Junior sitting there eating.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

I've read this account before and completely missed the 'when WE pulled up.' Who was Annette Sykes with in the car?

No mention of the children already bathed
No mention of dropping off clothes.
No mention in this article of the time Annette Sykes was there.

However, it has been reported in numerous places that she was there at 7 p.m. (or close to it) on 2-9-09.
Note that it was 59° at 7 p.m. in Satsuma; rather chilly to be eating outside on porch. And fairly late to be feeding little guys 4 and 5 dinner, especially since they were put to bed at 8 p.m. according to Misty.... thank you for the link and I reread what I misunderstood her saying which was this.

.....but she’s a lot more mature than other people I’ve seen. She fed them, she bathed them and every morning when Haleigh went to school she looked like she got out of a beauty shop.”

She did not say according to this that she fed and bathed them that night but was just making a generalize statement to their good care.

[?noanswer]

Something that nags at me here. When the grandmother came by to drop off clothes that evening, she said it was around 7:00. She stated that the children had been fed and bathed....this information is in one of the links somewhere and it I believe was on HLN.

Also, it was stated by Misty that Haleigh was wearing the same pink shirt that she wore to school that day, the pink Hanna Montana shirt when Misty put her to bed. Now if she had been bathed that night, wouldn't Misty have put a clean shirt on her and put the pink shirt in the laundry?

My mind centers on the bath. Could she have put Haleigh in the bath and left her there and she drowned and when she found her, she knew that Ron would "kill her" for this. So she hid her body well enough that it hasn't been found yet. This would explain the statements that she was wearing the pink shirt but it was in the dirty clothes pile, this would explain why she couldn't' say for sure where Haleigh was sleeping since she didn't put her to bed and it would explain the staging of the door to look like an abduction.

I also remember the statement that she made about that night, that she took out the trash. If people saw her do this, it would have already been explained. Her trash bag could have been a big triple wrapped load about the weight of one little girl.


I bet LE checked the garbage can that night. JMO

[playnice]

For me those two never make it about Haleigh its about Ron. I saw the other night that Crystal admitted that Haleigh was Ron's heart. I mean she must have known this all along. She and Ron have a great dislike and that putting it mildy. But she knows that Haleigh is a daddy's girl. She knew from the beginning after sicing Geraldo after Ron that Ron did not hurt Haleigh. I truly don't want to go after Crystal but her and her mom are truly pieces of work. I have never heard Ron's mom say anything bad about Crystal or her family. For Ron's mom its all about Haleigh and finding her.

There are some people you know you would like or dislike right away. Cindy Anthony and Crystals mom are 2 that I would not have liked under any circumstances. Rons mom I believe I would like alot. she seems like a really warm person.

[Motomom]

I have never smelled meth that I was aware of, but I understand it has a distinct odor. If anyone was making/using meth in the trailer, I think LE would have smelled it. I also understand that it is very hard to remove the remmants from the inside of a house. In MS and MO, an owner selling a house is supposed to list if the house has ever been used for making meth, on the disclosure statements. JMO

I think you'd be able to spot someone who was on Meth. From what I've heard and seen, it destoys your looks.

[?noanswer]

Reference Post 171 -- Bolding is mine.

The bolded sentence contradicts what Annette Sykes (Haleigh's and Junior's paternal great grandmother) said as reported in the link below on 2-18-09:

Paraphrasing: She (Haleigh) was sitting on the front porch when we pulled up. Her and Junior sitting there eating.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

I've read this account before and completely missed the 'when WE pulled up.' Who was Annette Sykes with in the car?

No mention of the children already bathed
No mention of dropping off clothes.
No mention in this article of the time Annette Sykes was there.

However, it has been reported in numerous places that she was there at 7 p.m. (or close to it) on 2-9-09.
Note that it was 59° at 7 p.m. in Satsuma; rather chilly to be eating outside on porch. And fairly late to be feeding little guys 4 and 5 dinner, especially since they were put to bed at 8 p.m. according to Misty.


Could have been a snack and the other children were having one too. Children run & play and would not notice the cold as much as an adult. Our neighbor's 6 year old son was swimming 1-31 and everyone else was freezing!! JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Could have been a snack and the other children were having one too. Children run & play and would not notice the cold as much as an adult. Our neighbor's 6 year old son was swimming 1-31 and everyone else was freezing!! JMO

What other children?

[Motomom]

There are some people you know you would like or dislike right away. Cindy Anthony and Crystals mom are 2 that I would not have liked under any circumstances. Rons mom I believe I would like alot. she seems like a really warm person.

I agree with you playnice. She seems like a warm loving person. Had Crystals mom kept the focus on Haleigh, maybe I'd feel the same way.. but IMO her getting in front of the camara was never about Haleigh, always about ron and IMO it made her and her daughter look that much worse. At least to me.

[?noanswer]

What other children?


MIsty's brother's children. JMO

[CC I See]

I bet LE checked the garbage can that night. JMO

..... I hope that they checked but with this case, I'm not sure what they did.

I seem to know little about this case... just that Haleigh went missing that night and it appeared that she was abducted from her bed from a home where the doors and windows were locked wearing a shirt that was later found on the floor in the laundry room. The kitchen light was on, the side door open and propped with a cinder block and Misty slept through the whole thing until it was time for Ron to come home shortly after 3:00 a.m. She was awake and trying to call him on his phone just as he drove up into the drive of the home. He told her to call 911 and she did and then he started yelling at her and called her a dumb %$%.

This whole story stinks and I have said it from day one.:ohmy:

[Motomom]

Could have been a snack and the other children were having one too. Children run & play and would not notice the cold as much as an adult. Our neighbor's 6 year old son was swimming 1-31 and everyone else was freezing!! JMO

The link says dinner.. but 7 isn't too late for dinner. Some people eat when they get hungry. Maybe it was left overs from earlier. Who knows. 60 degrees is warm enough, maybe there is a heater there. I see nothing wrong with any of that story at all. I don't try and find fault, or neglect, or whatever you want to call it over everything. They were eatting on the screened in porch, there could be windows in there maybe.. And baths, not a concern IMO

[Themis]

... thank you for the link and I reread what I misunderstood her saying which was this.

.....but she’s a lot more mature than other people I’ve seen. She fed them, she bathed them and every morning when Haleigh went to school she looked like she got out of a beauty shop.”

She did not say according to this that she fed and bathed them that night but was just making a generalize statement to their good care.
References Posts 200 and 208

You're welcome, CC. Actually Sykes could have said something different in another interview; something more like the one that you refer to.

The numerous discrepancies in the retelling of events by almost everyone involved is terribly confusing. And if it is confusing to us think about poor LE (Law Enforcement) personnel.

I'm still curious as to who the other person Annette Sykes had with her. Were they really there at 7 pm? Did they stop by to drop off some clothes? Wonder how long they were there -- 15 minutes or an hour? Could it be that Sykes is confused as to the date she and a companion dropped by? Maybe it was not Monday, 2-9 after all. It is important because from what we have read, Sykes and her companion were the last people to see Haleigh alive other than Misty. [JMO]

[bkb]

I dont believe Misty bathed the children and fed them dinner and had then in bed by 8 cos it was a school night. I think that is what she expects people with young children do but she said they watched two dvds that is at least 3 hours they more than likley ate in front of the tv not on the porch and i dont believe she bathed them. I just feel from listening to her when she was talking about Hayleigh's blanket smelling of pee and putting a sheet over her I went HuH. If Misty was there on the monday morning and if Hayleigh had peed the bed wouldnt she have needed to change sheets dry the mattress air the bedding wash the child why would she just find out the blanket smelled of pee when she was putting the child to bed it doesnt make sense to me. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

References Posts 200 and 208

You're welcome, CC. Actually Sykes could have said something different in another interview; something more like the one that you refer to.

The numerous discrepancies in the retelling of events by almost everyone involved is terribly confusing. And if it is confusing to us think about poor LE (Law Enforcement) personnel.

I'm still curious as to who the other person Annette Sykes had with her. Were they really there at 7 pm? Did they stop by to drop off some clothes? Wonder how long they were there -- 15 minutes or an hour? Could it be that Sykes is confused as to the date she and a companion dropped by? Maybe it was not Monday, 2-9 after all. It is important because from what we have read, Sykes and her companion were the last people to see Haleigh alive other than Misty. [JMO]

And Misty never mentions Sykes' visit in any of her interviews with the media.

[march27]

So heres to hoping and praying AMW brings in a tip tonight that finds this little girl. She's out there somewhere and somebody knows something. I am hoping someone who does not have cable will watch this show and know something.

[crymeariver2006]

MIsty's brother's children. JMO

Misty says they left at 5:30 or 5:45.

:shrug:

[IlliniFan]

So heres to hoping and praying AMW brings in a tip tonight that finds this little girl. She's out there somewhere and somebody knows something. I am hoping someone who does not have cable will watch this show and know something.


I've never watched that show..What channel/time is that show airing?

tia...

[crymeariver2006]

I dont believe Misty bathed the children and fed them dinner and had then in bed by 8 cos it was a school night. I think that is what she expects people with young children do but she said they watched two dvds that is at least 3 hours they more than likley ate in front of the tv not on the porch and i dont believe she bathed them. I just feel from listening to her when she was talking about Hayleigh's blanket smelling of pee and putting a sheet over her I went HuH. If Misty was there on the monday morning and if Hayleigh had peed the bed wouldnt she have needed to change sheets dry the mattress air the bedding wash the child why would she just find out the blanket smelled of pee when she was putting the child to bed it doesnt make sense to me. JMO

Exactly. Even IF they ate dinner at 7 and she put them to bed at 8, are they watching DVD's till 11? On a school night?

Yes, her words "I covered her with a sheet" creeped me out.

JMO

[Themis]

And Misty never mentions Sykes' visit in any of her interviews with the media.
Exactly. One would think Misty would have remembered Sykes' visit simply because it meant the 2 kids received some clothes. Haleigh would have been excited about that. Junior -- not so much.:wink:

And the only other children Misty says were there that day were her 2 nephews and her brother who were there, according to Misty, from 5 pm to 5:45 p.m. According to media reports [JMO]

[march27]

The link says dinner.. but 7 isn't too late for dinner. Some people eat when they get hungry. Maybe it was left overs from earlier. Who knows. 60 degrees is warm enough, maybe there is a heater there. I see nothing wrong with any of that story at all. I don't try and find fault, or neglect, or whatever you want to call it over everything. They were eatting on the screened in porch, there could be windows in there maybe.. And baths, not a concern IMO

I agree 60 degrees is not cold at all. It seems like a really nice thing to do with the kids, sit on the porch and have dinner out in the fresh air, instead of in front of the tv like many families do.

[CC I See]

I dont believe Misty bathed the children and fed them dinner and had then in bed by 8 cos it was a school night. I think that is what she expects people with young children do but she said they watched two dvds that is at least 3 hours they more than likley ate in front of the tv not on the porch and i dont believe she bathed them. I just feel from listening to her when she was talking about Hayleigh's blanket smelling of pee and putting a sheet over her I went HuH. If Misty was there on the monday morning and if Hayleigh had peed the bed wouldnt she have needed to change sheets dry the mattress air the bedding wash the child why would she just find out the blanket smelled of pee when she was putting the child to bed it doesnt make sense to me. JMO bolding to address

If Haleigh wet the bed and Misty was not there, maybe Haleigh had to clean herself up and give herself a bath. That is why none of the sheet changing got done that should have been.

[nc1948]

The link says dinner.. but 7 isn't too late for dinner. Some people eat when they get hungry. Maybe it was left overs from earlier. Who knows. 60 degrees is warm enough, maybe there is a heater there. I see nothing wrong with any of that story at all. I don't try and find fault, or neglect, or whatever you want to call it over everything. They were eatting on the screened in porch, there could be windows in there maybe.. And baths, not a concern IMO

In the south, Dinner is often the noon meal. With supper being the later meal.

[march27]

I've never watched that show..What channel/time is that show airing?

tia...

9pm eastern fox

[bkb]

bolding to address

If Haleigh wet the bed and Misty was not there, maybe Haleigh had to clean herself up and give herself a bath. That is why none of the sheet changing got done that should have been.

That reply just brought tears to my eyes. IF IF IF poor Hayleigh. Misty did say on tv the blanket smelled of pee so she had to wash it that night thats what makes me believe the poor child had to organise herself in the mornings. JMO

[Themis]

I've never watched that show..What channel/time is that show airing?

tia...
The current America's Most Wanted segment is shown on Saturday nights.

Check your local listings for your time and your channel. With the various satellites and cable hookups it depends on what you have. JMO

[IlliniFan]

9pm eastern fox


Thanks, I'm anxious to see what info they have. We really have so few known/verified facts in this case.

[Kelly3820]

In the south, Dinner is often the noon meal. With supper being the later meal.



I am also thinking that if dad worked at 3 maybe on Sundays they had their big meal at noon.

[day2day]

I've never watched that show..What channel/time is that show airing?

tia...

AMW is on here at 9pm EST on the FOX CHANNEL (not the news channel just regular FOX)

I pray this show brings the tip needed to find little Haleigh!

[bkb]

I just want to say a huge thank u to the wonderful posters who bring all the links and local information. I couldnt follow this case if it wasnt for u all cos I dont get any of the tv shows. My thanks to u all xxx

[crymeariver2006]

I was just going to post that cry.

Whoever asked which brother visited Misty that day, I recall it was Tommy. He is the one that lives one street over from the Cummings. And yes, they do drive a van..

moo

See, that's why I want to know if the brother saw Haleigh or if the A/C guy saw Haleigh. What times (according to THEM, not Misty) were they there, what time did they leave, and did they see Haleigh?

That's not too much to ask is it? :biggrin:

Oh, yeah I would ask if Grandma Sykes had any reason to lie or fudge the times.......but alas, the brushes with the law include her too.

But why did we not hear of Grandma Sykes' visit until several days into this and why was Ron's mother the one who "introduced" that bit of info?

[Armchairdet]

Misty mentioning the urine wet blanket was curious to me. Misty seemed to think that was important to mention, also taking the blanket down from the window. I can't put my finger on it, but it seems odd to me. Under ordinary circumstances it would be considered inconsequential, yet Misty has made it seem not routine, and I wonder why.
'Has Theresa or Ron ever addressed Haleigh's bedwetting? Or has it just been Misty?

moo


If I remember correctly, Misty said that she washed the blanket, and also that her own blanket 'left in the van'. So she put Haleighs blanket back on her once it was washed and used the blanket from the window for herself. That sure was an awful lot of blanket activity. IMO

[Kelly3820]

The more pictures I see, the more it breaks my heart. These are just plain folks, there's millions of them, here in Florida and everywhere else. Not real educated, not going to set the world on fire, just folks. This little baby girl tears at my heart, her smile, her innocence, her plain joy. Every day was a new day for her and a new chance to learn more, i bet she excelled in school, one of those kids that are sponges for anything they can learn and ask questions till they drive you nuts.

I dunno who took her, i only hope and pray that it's a grudge thing and somebody thought they could force an issue or make a point and it got out of control and now they don't know how to bring her back.

Le or family needs to address this aspect, make it known that Haleigh can be dropped off at any Circle K, Walmart, Police or Fire Station, just drop her off on a corner, I bet she's smart enough to know what to do.

Somebody needs to bring this precious baby girl home.

I'm sorry, my emotions are so strong for this baby,
Beachpatty



Great post! I hope Greta is able to interview the family perhaps even Ron. She is very fair and asks great questions. Because someone knows what happened to Haleigh they need to see the pain that this has caused. No matter what we all think of the different family members this is about a little girl who needs to come home. She just sparkles in her pictures and videos. Happy! Loving life! A smile that melts hearts! Please God! Help Bring Haleigh Home!!!!!

[crymeariver2006]

Misty mentioning the urine wet blanket was curious to me. Misty seemed to think that was important to mention, also taking the blanket down from the window. I can't put my finger on it, but it seems odd to me. Under ordinary circumstances it would be considered inconsequential, yet Misty has made it seem not routine, and I wonder why.
'Has Theresa or Ron ever addressed Haleigh's bedwetting? Or has it just been Misty?

moo

Just Misty as far as I know.

And, IIRC, she didn't know exactly what night Haleigh had wet the bed. Could have been Sunday or Saturday. Why wasn't the sheet and/or blanket washed then?

ETA: Which leads me to believe the "rumor" about the 3 day bender or rendevouz with the uncle ain't so much a "rumor" after all. JMO though.

[Kelly3820]

See, that's why I want to know if the brother saw Haleigh or if the A/C guy saw Haleigh. What times (according to THEM, not Misty) were they there, what time did they leave, and did they see Haleigh?

That's not too much to ask is it? :biggrin:

Oh, yeah I would ask if Grandma Sykes had any reason to lie or fudge the times.......but alas, the brushes with the law include her too.

But why did we not hear of Grandma Sykes' visit until several days into this and why was Ron's mother the one who "introduced" that bit of info?


Well LE is not giving out any info. So when it was mistated that noone saw Misty with the kids Grandma Sykes spoke up and said that she did cause she dropped clothes off and saw Misty with the kids around 7 pm. I believe she told LE that but we would not have known that until Ron's mom said so. LE is giving out nothing. We have a timeline that we know of because of the time Ron left work and from the 911 call. We have pieced together from people's statements. I would like to hear from LE what they have and have them ask for tips and try to fill in what LE does not know.

[Themis]

I just want to say a huge thank u to the wonderful posters who bring all the links and local information. I couldnt follow this case if it wasnt for u all cos I dont get any of the tv shows. My thanks to u all xxx
What a nice thing to say, bkb!

I also depend on posters here who do a great job of sleuthing and post links as they find them.

I imagine it is very difficult to follow this puzzling case from all the way in Ireland.

[IlliniFan]

I appreciate the links and information too. I am always amazed at the information some of you are able to dig up on the internet. It gives me a totally different perspective reading here than if I were just watching things unfold on tv.

Thanks again..

[CC I See]

And Misty never mentions Sykes' visit in any of her interviews with the media.... no she did not. Maybe she forgot.

[FoxySly]

For me those two never make it about Haleigh its about Ron. I saw the other night that Crystal admitted that Haleigh was Ron's heart. I mean she must have known this all along. She and Ron have a great dislike and that putting it mildy. But she knows that Haleigh is a daddy's girl. She knew from the beginning after sicing Geraldo after Ron that Ron did not hurt Haleigh. I truly don't want to go after Crystal but her and her mom are truly pieces of work. I have never heard Ron's mom say anything bad about Crystal or her family. For Ron's mom its all about Haleigh and finding her.

Yup, you're right, in fact so much vile & angry words have come out of her (crystal's) mouth that I had forgotten the one nice/positive thing she has said.
Thank you for the reminder.

Sly

~

[CC I See]

Misty mentioning the urine wet blanket was curious to me. Misty seemed to think that was important to mention, also taking the blanket down from the window. I can't put my finger on it, but it seems odd to me. Under ordinary circumstances it would be considered inconsequential, yet Misty has made it seem not routine, and I wonder why.
'Has Theresa or Ron ever addressed Haleigh's bedwetting? Or has it just been Misty?

moo... to my knowledge no one has mentioned the bedwetting other than Misty.

[bama__angel]

Speaking of Saturday and Sunday, I wonder what Ron and the children did those days, was it with or without Misty. It would help if LE asked Ron that question. Might explain Misty's whereabouts.

moo



I would be willing to bet that LE has questioned everyone on both sides of the family about every breath they have taken over the last 6 months, maybe longer......and you can bet that LE has spoken to every neighbor of Ron's and probably Crystal's.......Just because LE isnt releasing what they know doesnt mean they havent constructed a time line for every player who could be involved in this child's disappearance..I'm sure that LE knows exactly where Misty and ROn both were and what they were doing the Sat and Sun before Haleigh was missing.........

LE looks under every rock......no one is immune to scrutiny when a child is missing.............

IMO

[CC I See]

Misty mentioning the urine wet blanket was curious to me. Misty seemed to think that was important to mention, also taking the blanket down from the window. I can't put my finger on it, but it seems odd to me. Under ordinary circumstances it would be considered inconsequential, yet Misty has made it seem not routine, and I wonder why.
'Has Theresa or Ron ever addressed Haleigh's bedwetting? Or has it just been Misty?

moo... it was almost like she had to explain why it got washed before she was asked to do.

[bkb]

What a nice thing to say, bkb!

I also depend on posters here who do a great job of sleuthing and post links as they find them.

I imagine it is very difficult to follow this puzzling case from all the way in Ireland.

Thank u Themis. It is very difficult to follow any case in America from Ireland but I got hooked on this site through the Madeleine McCann case and then on to Caylee and now Hayleigh. I never would have believed two years ago i would be scouring websites for information about missing or murdered children its so far removed from my real life and my family dont understand me at all. But these babies have become a part of me and even when I just lurk which is what I do mostly I pray for each and every one of them every night.

[CC I See]

Exactly. Even IF they ate dinner at 7 and she put them to bed at 8, are they watching DVD's till 11? On a school night?

Yes, her words "I covered her with a sheet" creeped me out.JMO I did not catch that earlier.... what a weird way to say it. It is creepy.

[Themis]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Home-Is-No-Longer-A-Crime-Scene/Okj2uWnKMUaHhPZrJCCfQA.cspx

Late Thursday night, 2-26-09:

Cummings Mobile Home no longer a crime scene; crime scene tape removed. Ronald Cummings and his father enter it to get some of RC's clothes.

After reading this article by Matt Saffer, particularly paragraphs 2 and 3, I can't help but think his relatives could have spared RC the apparent anguish his mother, Teresa Neves, speaks of.

Since RC has stated he will never ... never live in that Mobile Home again it seems to me that that his mother, father, sister, and grandmother could have gone in with boxes and removed all his clothes and toiletries. Anything not immediately needed could be stored by these 4 people. If not these 4, surely there are other trusted relatives and friends who could have packed up for him.

:confused: [JMO]

[IlliniFan]

I know most everyone hates Geraldo, but I have on Fox and Julie (thinks that's her name) said he would be on later talking about Haleigh's case...

edit to add:

Maybe Julie meant that Geraldo will talk about the case on his show....sorry for the confusion...

[CC I See]

Just Misty as far as I know.

And, IIRC, she didn't know exactly what night Haleigh had wet the bed. Could have been Sunday or Saturday. Why wasn't the sheet and/or blanket washed then?

ETA: Which leads me to believe the "rumor" about the 3 day bender or rendevouz with the uncle ain't so much a "rumor" after all. JMO though.

The children were with Crystal that weekend giving her free time to roam......

[crymeariver2006]

... it was almost like she had to explain why it got washed before she was asked to do.

Exactly. TMI.

JMO

:wink:

[5boxersmom]

... to my knowledge no one has mentioned the bedwetting other than Misty.

I think Crystal and her mother said she did not wet the bed when they had her.

imo

[Janz]

Thank u Themis. It is very difficult to follow any case in America from Ireland but I got hooked on this site through the Madeleine McCann case and then on to Caylee and now Hayleigh. I never would have believed two years ago i would be scouring websites for information about missing or murdered children its so far removed from my real life and my family dont understand me at all. But these babies have become a part of me and even when I just lurk which is what I do mostly I pray for each and every one of them every night.

WELCOME bkb. Shows you are a caring person; these cases break the heart.

[5boxersmom]

Exactly. TMI.

JMO

:wink:

Yep that's what I thought when I first heard her say it. TMI.

Wonder if the sheet was found in the house or if one is missing?

[crymeariver2006]

The children were with Crystal that weekend giving her free time to roam......

I thought Crystal would have gotten them the following weekend?

She got Jr. the first weekend after 2/9.

IIRC

In any event, she wasn't washing blankets (or sheets) until Monday night. She did say she had a "big weekend" and that's why she was so exhausted!

JMO

[Pag Boi]

See, that's why I want to know if the brother saw Haleigh or if the A/C guy saw Haleigh. What times (according to THEM, not Misty) were they there, what time did they leave, and did they see Haleigh?

That's not too much to ask is it? :biggrin:

Oh, yeah I would ask if Grandma Sykes had any reason to lie or fudge the times.......but alas, the brushes with the law include her too.

But why did we not hear of Grandma Sykes' visit until several days into this and why was Ron's mother the one who "introduced" that bit of info?

Not every dvd is a feature film. There are so many now. Scooby Do, where are you? is playing now.

Did Misty name the dvds they watched? I am sure LE asked to.

[KatyDid]

WOW, did I hear that right? Craig talked to the little boy, the brother of Haleigh?!?!

:scared:

[breeze53]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Home-Is-No-Longer-A-Crime-Scene/Okj2uWnKMUaHhPZrJCCfQA.cspx

Late Thursday night, 2-26-09:

Cummings Mobile Home no longer a crime scene; crime scene tape removed. Ronald Cummings and his father enter it to get some of RC's clothes.

After reading this article by Matt Saffer, particularly paragraphs 2 and 3, I can't help but think his relatives could have spared RC the apparent anguish his mother, Teresa Neves, speaks of.

Since RC has stated he will never ... never live in that Mobile Home again it seems to me that that his mother, father, sister, and grandmother could have gone in with boxes and removed all his clothes and toiletries. Anything not immediately needed could be stored by these 4 people. If not these 4, surely there are other trusted relatives and friends who could have packed up for him.

:confused: [JMO]


They should have sent Misty in to get them maybe she would remember what happened to Halleigh:cursing: Sorry all i just thinks she knows.

[KatyDid]

Geraldo saying Misty was stoned out of her mind all weekend long. Wonder who told him that. :confused:

[FrankieBones1]

Geraldo's brother has been with Crystal all day as well as Ronald Junior.
The child, Ron Junior, told LE the story about his sister gone missing even without Crystal there.

Geraldo mentions Ron's lifestyle and oxycontin.

He thinks that Misty might have been in a stupor (drug induced) and that's why she didn't hear anyone come into the trailer.

Geraldo has an exclusive interview with Ronald Junior tonight at 10pm.

[5boxersmom]

Craig Riveria according to Geraldo has been with Crystal and Junior all day. :w00t:

What. :w00t: Is right.

[IlliniFan]

Can you believe they are going to interview that little boy???? Did I hear that right. Would LE condone that??

[5boxersmom]

Geraldo's brother has been with Crystal all day as well as Ronald Junior.
The child, Ron Junior, told LE the story about his sister gone missing even without Crystal there.

Geraldo mentions Ron's lifestyle and oxycontin.

He thinks that Misty might have been in a stupor (drug induced) and that's why she didn't hear anyone come into the trailer.

Geraldo has an exclusive interview with Ronald Junior tonight at 10pm.

An interview with a little boy? That is not right in my opinion. What is wrong with that man? Why would the family allow this? OMG

imo

[Themis]

I thought Crystal would have gotten them the following weekend?

She got Jr. the first weekend after 2/9.

IIRC

In any event, she wasn't washing blankets (or sheets) until Monday night. She did say she had a "big weekend" and that's why she was so exhausted!

JMO
Haleleigh last seen on Monday, 2-9.

Crystal Sheffield had Junior on 2-14 and 2-15 as part of her regular visitation schedule.
Crystal last saw Haleigh (and Junior) on January 31 and February 1 as part of her regular visitation schedule.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902150987/0/sports05

Crystal also stated, elsewhere, that she had not talked with the children on the phone after Sunday, 2/1.
We do not know if no phone calls between Crystal and her 2 children were by choice or by Ronald Cummings decision.

[odyssey]

The children were with Crystal that weekend giving her free time to roam......

Not the weekend before she disappeared. The weekend before that is when Crystal had them because she got Ron the weekend after she was abducted and now again this weekend.


moo

[5boxersmom]

Oxy? Last week CR said Xanax and some other drug. Didn't he?

[IlliniFan]

Ron is going to have a fit.:scared:


For some reason I thought it was not a good idea to bring up a topic where a small child was a possible witness. I suppose because you could cloud their recolection with what you might say...? I don't know...this sounds interesting, but wrong none the less..imo

I thought from the Smart kidnapping that Ed had said something about not questioning his daughter that was in Elizabeth's room?

[5boxersmom]

Can Ron stop this interview since he is the primary custody parent?

This could put Jrs. life in danger.

Geez

imo

[Janz]

Craig Riveria according to Geraldo has been with Crystal and Junior all day. :w00t:

Oh Swarovoski, could you please let me know what is being said, I cannot get Geraldo?

[IlliniFan]

Can Ron stop this interview since he is the primary custody parent?

This could put Jrs. life in danger.

Geez

imo

It's taped, I'm pretty sure....Unless someone can persuede GR not to air that before his show starts

[kitty1182]

Geraldo saying Misty was stoned out of her mind all weekend long. Wonder who told him that. :confused:

She has looked that way to me every time I've seen her..

[bama__angel]

For some reason I thought it was not a good idea to bring up a topic where a small child was a possible witness. I suppose because you could cloud their recolection with what you might say...? I don't know...this sounds interesting, but wrong none the less..imo

I thought from the Smart kidnapping that Ed had said something about not questioning his daughter that was in Elizabeth's room?


Is Ron Jr. with his mother this weekend? I only ask because I dont think that Ron would allow this...........

A more cynical person might think that there was a payment of some sort for this interview......IMO

[odyssey]

I think your right. Hmm, so we only have Misty that says Haleigh is a bedwetter. Now it makes me wonder if Misty had to wash that blanket for another reason, other than urine.

moo

she did not say HaLeigh wet the bed. She said her blanket smelled of pee. For all we really know she and/or Junior could have been sitting on the blanket and he got pee on it. I don't know if he is completely potty trained or if he wears pull ups but my son has peed through pull ups in the past. I'm just saying we don't know if it was Haleiigh who had the accident if there was one and we don't know if the blanket was on the bed.
Or it could have just been missed when the sheets were washed if they were .. we just don't know anything at this point.

Another point .. the only accidents my son has had (he is younger than Junior by a few months) have been at home, not his grandmother's. My feeling is i think he sleeps deeper at home where he is more comfortable so has not worked out coming fully to wake. I think he sleeps a bit lighter at his meemaw's .. tmi i know.

jmoo

[IlliniFan]

Is Ron Jr. with his mother this weekend? I only ask because I dont think that Ron would allow this...........

A more cynical person might think that there was a payment of some sort for this interview......IMO

I'm pretty sure this is Crystal's weekend to have jr...imo

[KatyDid]

Oh Lord. This is going to get dicey. Batten down the hatches and put roadblock barriors up between the two camp sites.

:biggrin: You got that right Swarovski!

[breeze53]

Geraldo's brother has been with Crystal all day as well as Ronald Junior.
The child, Ron Junior, told LE the story about his sister gone missing even without Crystal there.

Geraldo mentions Ron's lifestyle and oxycontin.

He thinks that Misty might have been in a stupor (drug induced) and that's why she didn't hear anyone come into the trailer.

Geraldo has an exclusive interview with Ronald Junior tonight at 10pm.



I dont know about you all but Crystal letting big G interview her son is just wrong. Wonder how much she got paid for this.

[Janz]

I shall. Keep your seat warm.

Thank you very much Swarovski. I don`t like this at all. GR is not only exploiting the child but also endangering him as well.

[kitty1182]

she did not say HaLeigh wet the bed. She said her blanket smelled of pee. For all we really know she and/or Junior could have been sitting on the blanket and he got pee on it. I don't know if he is completely potty trained or if he wears pull ups but my son has peed through pull ups in the past. I'm just saying we don't know if it was Haleiigh who had the accident if there was one and we don't know if the blanket was on the bed.
Or it could have just been missed when the sheets were washed if they were .. we just don't know anything at this point.

Another point .. the only accidents my son has had (he is younger than Junior by a few months) have been at home, not his grandmother's. My feeling is i think he sleeps deeper at home where he is more comfortable so has not worked out coming fully to wake. I think he sleeps a bit lighter at his meemaw's .. tmi i know.

jmoo




I think she did say she wet the bed..

[kitty1182]

I dont know about you all but Crystal letting big G interview her son is just wrong. Wonder how much she got paid for this.

There's no telling!!

[bama__angel]

I'm pretty sure this is Crystal's weekend to have jr...imo



What I dont get is why a mama would expose her baby boy to this..........I would want him protected and away from the media at all costs.........

[crymeariver2006]

I shall. Keep your seat warm.

Man, he even talked about Jr. hearing the guy's shoes squeak!

Ye gads!

(Was it wet outside that night?)

Why can't Geraldo find the A/C guy or Misty's brother? That's who I want to see interviewed.

Leave that kid alone!

[Kelly3820]

Is Ron Jr. with his mother this weekend? I only ask because I dont think that Ron would allow this...........

A more cynical person might think that there was a payment of some sort for this interview......IMO



I think that would be me. I mean come on. Now who was going to be in contempt (I hope I spelled it right) of court the day Haleigh went missing. Does Geraldo ask Crystal any tough questions? I don't think it is right of Crystal to do this. If anyone had the right it would be Ron he is the parent with custody. Is Crystal going against LE by doing this? Is she doing this cause of her mom's hatred of Ron?

[playnice]

I'm pretty sure this is Crystal's weekend to have jr...imo

And hopefully her last one after pulling this stunt. This is very low life to sell out your child.

[KatyDid]

She has looked that way to me every time I've seen her..

Oh my goodness..surely she wouldn't with all the LE around, but then...maybe that is how she is coping.

:unsure:

[kitty1182]

Okay. Nevertheless, Misty seemed to imply it was Haleigh that wet the blanket.

Makes no difference to me. The importance of the wet blanket being mentioned is what intriques me. Misty seemed to think it was. Yet she failed to mention the visitors that stopped by.

moo

The rumour that is going around about Misty being gone for 3 days with Ron's uncle, what if that were true and Haleigh was the one who told her dad who Misty left with? Could that make her mad at Haleigh?
MO

[IlliniFan]

What I dont get is why a mama would expose her baby boy to this..........I would want him protected and away from the media at all costs.........


I'm very surprised by this. I'm certain Geraldo said either he or his brother spoke to jr???? I hope I heard wrong...

[odyssey]

..snipped..
Junior will be on Geeraldo tonight at 10 pm

moo


This makes me cry. Why would a mother subject her child to this? I have held my tongue about my thoughts on this woman but this just takes the cake. Does she not care AT ALL ABOUT THOSE BABIES!!!!



jmodo

[playnice]

Something is very wrong here. crystal and her mom are trying way to hard to point the blame at Ron & Misti.

[Kelly3820]

Crystal can't bring her children to their doctor's appointments but she can bring the baby to be questioned by Geraldo?

[Themis]

They should have sent Misty in to get them maybe she would remember what happened to Halleigh:cursing: Sorry all i just thinks she knows.
No need to be 'sorry' - others feel as you do. Seems none of them have told the same story twice. And all the drama over packing up some of his clothes. Did you read the last sentence where Neves says RC hopes that if he can, RC can hire some movers so he doesn't have to move his own stuff out of that mobile home. What the heck happened to family helping family and friends helping friends? There sure are enough people hanging around all day at the tent sites. Guess RC can always tap that account at Bank of America holding donated money.

Now we're reading Crystal has allowed Geraldo's brother to talk with Junior. What is Junior doing with Crystal this weekend anyway. It is not her scheduled visitation and RC was strict about them, wasn't he? CORRECTION: THIS IS CRYSTAL'S WEEKEND. SORRY.
Why would any of them talk with Geraldo Rivera and crew anyway? They know Rivera's style; they have seen it for themselves.

These people are just plain weird. [JMO]

[kitty1182]

I'm very surprised by this. I'm certain Geraldo said either he or his brother spoke to jr???? I hope I heard wrong...

Ron is going to be madder than a wet hen!!

[IlliniFan]

Crystal can't bring her children to their doctor's appointments but she can bring the baby to be questioned by Geraldo?


I have a feeling it's more Marie than Crystal orchestrating all of these Geraldo interviews.

imo

[crymeariver2006]

I think that would be me. I mean come on. Now who was going to be in contempt (I hope I spelled it right) of court the day Haleigh went missing. Does Geraldo ask Crystal any tough questions? I don't think it is right of Crystal to do this. If anyone had the right it would be Ron he is the parent with custody. Is Crystal going against LE by doing this? Is she doing this cause of her mom's hatred of Ron?

It seems to me that if it was done because of hatred for Ron, the child wouldn't be talking about squeaking shoes on some unknown intruder.

LE has said they have not forbid anyone from talking to the press. I don't know that they anticipated Jr. talking to brother Craig though.

I'll hold judgment until I see the interview.

[KatyDid]

What I dont get is why a mama would expose her baby boy to this..........I would want him protected and away from the media at all costs.........

I agree. I would not want my child on national tv. If they believe Haleigh was abducted, why are they putting her brother on tv.

This is a 4 y/o child. I agree, it is very wrong to put the little guy through this.

[playnice]

Crystal can't bring her children to their doctor's appointments but she can bring the baby to be questioned by Geraldo?

This poor child should not be questioned by anyone but trained specialists dealing with children. This mother stinks. This has got to be traumatizing for Jr .

[breeze53]

With that kind of judgement it's easy to see why Ron got custody.


At first I thought maybe Ron had something to do with this but I no longer feel that way about him. I hope I am not wrong but this mother is unreal. Where did they do this tapeing I thought big G wasn't allowed back in that area? Your right I can see why he got custody along with the I didn't want to get out of bed and take the kids to the dr. statement....... Unreal:w00t:

[Kelly3820]

Has Crystal or her mom ever made a heart felt plea for Haleigh's return like Ron's mom did last night. They sure are not afraid to go before a camera. Lets parade the baby before the media and the public for Geraldo and his ratings. I don't like those two woman.

[playnice]

Ron is going to be madder than a wet hen!!

I do not blame him. This is very low life to exploit your 4 yr old and put his life in danger.

[odyssey]

No need to be 'sorry' - others feel as you do. Seems none of them have told the same story twice. And all the drama over packing up some of his clothes. Did you read the last sentence where Neves says RC hopes that if he can, RC can hire some movers so he doesn't have to move his own stuff out of that mobile home. What the heck happened to family helping family and friends helping friends? There sure are enough people hanging around all day at the tent sites. Guess RC can always tap that account at Bank of America holding donated money.

Now we're reading Crystal has allowed Geraldo's brother to talk with Junior. What is Junior doing with Crystal this weekend anyway. It is not her scheduled visitation and RC was strict about them, wasn't he?
Why would any of them talk with Geraldo Rivera and crew anyway? They know Rivera's style; they have seen it for themselves.

These people are just plain weird. [JMO]


It is her weekend and apparently she could not wait to get him to exploit him on t.v.

modo

[Kelly3820]

At first I thought maybe Ron had something to do with this but I no longer feel that way about him. I hope I am not wrong but this mother is unreal. Where did they do this tapeing I thought big G wasn't allowed back in that area? Your right I can see why he got custody along with the I didn't want to get out of bed and take the kids to the dr. statement....... Unreal:w00t:

Well if Geraldo can't go he brings brothe Craig in. Thats who Crystal and the baby spent the day with.

[playnice]

Has Crystal or her mom ever made a heart felt plea for Haleigh's return like Ron's mom did last night. They sure are not afraid to go before a camera. Lets parade the baby before the media and the public for Geraldo and his ratings. I don't like those two woman.

I dont either. Crystal cant speak for herself. Her mom seems evil.