JP Orlewicz - Request For a New Trial

[gamergirl]

Hi Everyone:

JP Orlewicz' request for a new trial was supposed to be heard today. Any news?

Thanks!

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[gamergirl]

I found it pretty surprising that the judge hearing the request for a new trial barred Dan Sorensen's family and the media from attending the hearing. JP's lawyer said that it would taint a potential jury if a new trial was granted. Apparently, the psychiatrist that interview JP testified today. Man that would have been interesting testimony to hear.

The hearing will resume April 24.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090227/NEWS02/90227033/1004/NEWS/Victim+s+family+kept+from+hearing+on+possible+new+ trial

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090227/METRO01/902270421/1410/METRO01

[Jennifer]

I agree with the closed hearing because of the following:

The jurors were probably biased due the news coverage unless maybe only the eastern United States heard the details and other parts of the country didn't. The press is important, but the news should broadcast objective facts and not immediately use terminology such as "thrill kill."

The judge made mistakes; she wouldn't allow evidence from professionals who would state that the defendant is a caring individual who wouldn't kill again. She should have allowed witnesses to testify regarding Orlewicz's character. For example, opinions from former girlfriends and about his caring personality such as when he helped people having trouble with their boat should have been permitted. Regardless of the fact that Sorensen's character isn't on trial, both Orlewicz's and Sorensen's personality is relevant to the case. I think that he was a minor who was genuinely afraid of Sorensen who made prior threats against Orlewicz and his friends and family. I don't think Sorensen is a sex offender though; my friends who lived near me back when I was a kid/teen went out with 17 year old guys when they were 14 or 15. However, Sorensen’s prior criminal record pertaining to possible acts of violence should have been admissible. I think Jean Pierre Orlewicz was fearful of Sorensen's possible organized crime connections, so he panicked and tried to cover up the traces. Sorensen repeatedly pointed a gun at the heads of Orlewicz and his friends. Video games such as Hitman and Grand Theft Auto which he did play often could perhaps desensitize minors and adolescents, especially male ones. Sending this minor with no prior offenses to prison would be a waste. I believe Jean Orlewicz has potential to go to college and lead a productive life and is someone who would never kill anyone unless it was in is self defense. He is a minor who can be rehabilitated.

[royals02]

I agree with the closed hearing because of the following:

The jurors were probably biased due the news coverage unless maybe only the eastern United States heard the details and other parts of the country didn't. The press is important, but the news should broadcast objective facts and not immediately use terminology such as "thrill kill."

The judge made mistakes; she wouldn't allow evidence from professionals who would state that the defendant is a caring individual who wouldn't kill again. She should have allowed witnesses to testify regarding Orlewicz's character. For example, opinions from former girlfriends and about his caring personality such as when he helped people having trouble with their boat should have been permitted. Regardless of the fact that Sorensen's character isn't on trial, both Orlewicz's and Sorensen's personality is relevant to the case. I think that he was a minor who was genuinely afraid of Sorensen who made prior threats against Orlewicz and his friends and family. I don't think Sorensen is a sex offender though; my friends who lived near me back when I was a kid/teen went out with 17 year old guys when they were 14 or 15. However, Sorensen’s prior criminal record pertaining to possible acts of violence should have been admissible. I think Jean Pierre Orlewicz was fearful of Sorensen's possible organized crime connections, so he panicked and tried to cover up the traces. Sorensen repeatedly pointed a gun at the heads of Orlewicz and his friends. Video games such as Hitman and Grand Theft Auto which he did play often could perhaps desensitize minors and adolescents, especially male ones. Sending this minor with no prior offenses to prison would be a waste. I believe Jean Orlewicz has potential to go to college and lead a productive life and is someone who would never kill anyone unless it was in is self defense. He is a minor who can be rehabilitated.

You have absolutely got to be kidding me.....JP is a monster....apparently it wasn't good enough for him to have killed Dan...he cut his head off and threw it in the water. Ya know murder is awful enough but what he did after the murder is something only an evil, sick and twisted mind could do. He deserves no re-trial, he has no remorse (did you hear the jail tapes played during the trial?) and he needs to stay locked away from the rest of society.
Rehabilitation?? Really??....Do you think Charles Manson was a candidate for reahb too? Sick and twisted minds :cursing:

[Celebration]

You have absolutely got to be kidding me.....JP is a monster....apparently it wasn't good enough for him to have killed Dan...he cut his head off and threw it in the water. Ya know murder is awful enough but what he did after the murder is something only an evil, sick and twisted mind could do. He deserves no re-trial, he has no remorse (did you hear the jail tapes played during the trial?) and he needs to stay locked away from the rest of society.
Rehabilitation?? Really??....Do you think Charles Manson was a candidate for reahb too? Sick and twisted minds :cursing:

Absolutely, royals02. Absolutely !

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Absolutely, royals02. Absolutely !
What you said, Royals and Cel!

[GinoA797]

I agree with you Jen :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:nifer. I believe he was afraid of Dan. And it really bothers me that a 26 year old hanging out with teenagers.








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[GinoA797]

Sorry Jennifer I have no idea why 3 smiles came up in the middle of your name!!

[Nikko1]

The Detroit Free Press posted a copy of the transcript of the hearing that the public, media, and Sorensen Family were banned from. There isn't anything in that transcript that would persuade me to vote "not guilty" in this case. Orlewicz "threw Mama under the bus", so to speak, saying that she abused him and was a pack rat. Oh no! Also, during testimony in the next hearing held on June 19, 2009, the psychiatrist testified that Orlewicz told him that he had never seen Dan Sorensen hurt anyone. Self-defense? I think not.

[bchand]

The Detroit Free Press posted a copy of the transcript of the hearing that the public, media, and Sorensen Family were banned from. There isn't anything in that transcript that would persuade me to vote "not guilty" in this case. Orlewicz "threw Mama under the bus", so to speak, saying that she abused him and was a pack rat. Oh no! Also, during testimony in the next hearing held on June 19, 2009, the psychiatrist testified that Orlewicz told him that he had never seen Dan Sorensen hurt anyone. Self-defense? I think not.

Can you post a link to the transcript please. I've looked and do not see it.

[True2Blues]

The Detroit Free Press posted a copy of the transcript of the hearing that the public, media, and Sorensen Family were banned from. There isn't anything in that transcript that would persuade me to vote "not guilty" in this case. Orlewicz "threw Mama under the bus", so to speak, saying that she abused him and was a pack rat. Oh no! Also, during testimony in the next hearing held on June 19, 2009, the psychiatrist testified that Orlewicz told him that he had never seen Dan Sorensen hurt anyone. Self-defense? I think not.

Pulling out the old 'Abuse Excuse', is he? It's all Mother's fault, she was mean to me? That's no excuse for him murdering someone years later. He made the decision to take a life, he needs to accept the responsibility for it.

[Nikko1]

Can you post a link to the transcript please. I've looked and do not see it.

I had saved the article, but when I went to get the link, it had expired. Sorry. The Free Press doesn't keep things around for very long.
I am very close to the Sorensen family, so I will keep everyone posted, if you are interested, as to what is going on.
Thank you so much for your interest!

[Nikko1]

I agree with the closed hearing because of the following:

The jurors were probably biased due the news coverage unless maybe only the eastern United States heard the details and other parts of the country didn't. The press is important, but the news should broadcast objective facts and not immediately use terminology such as "thrill kill."

The judge made mistakes; she wouldn't allow evidence from professionals who would state that the defendant is a caring individual who wouldn't kill again. She should have allowed witnesses to testify regarding Orlewicz's character. For example, opinions from former girlfriends and about his caring personality such as when he helped people having trouble with their boat should have been permitted. Regardless of the fact that Sorensen's character isn't on trial, both Orlewicz's and Sorensen's personality is relevant to the case. I think that he was a minor who was genuinely afraid of Sorensen who made prior threats against Orlewicz and his friends and family. I don't think Sorensen is a sex offender though; my friends who lived near me back when I was a kid/teen went out with 17 year old guys when they were 14 or 15. However, Sorensen’s prior criminal record pertaining to possible acts of violence should have been admissible. I think Jean Pierre Orlewicz was fearful of Sorensen's possible organized crime connections, so he panicked and tried to cover up the traces. Sorensen repeatedly pointed a gun at the heads of Orlewicz and his friends. Video games such as Hitman and Grand Theft Auto which he did play often could perhaps desensitize minors and adolescents, especially male ones. Sending this minor with no prior offenses to prison would be a waste. I believe Jean Orlewicz has potential to go to college and lead a productive life and is someone who would never kill anyone unless it was in is self defense. He is a minor who can be rehabilitated.

Jennifer, let me straighten out a few of your statements for you. Before this trial, I was naive and thought that everything defense lawyers said and did was true and above board. I found that not to be the case at all. Even before the trial began, Orlewicz's attorneys leaked inormation to the press about Dan's PPO's and such. However, they failed to mention that not one person who filed those PPO's wanted to say anything bad about Dan. In fact, two of them wanted to come to MI to testify in Dan's defense! Since Dan really wasn't the person on trial, their testimony wasn't needed. The defense tried to paint Dan as some kind of monster. JP's father even testified that the police told him that there was a warrant out for Dan's arrest when he was killed. This was not the case.
There were four witnesses who testified as to the caring nature of JP Orlewicz: his aunt, father, former girlfriend, and an employee of his father. Sociopaths are often seen as caring individuals, as they are expert at manipulating people. Did you hear the jailhouse tapes? If my child ever spoke to me like that he'd be in big trouble.
As for the threats Dan supposedly made toward JP and his friends/family, were there any witnesses of this with the exception of JP Orlewicz? I think JP had something to gain from making that statement. His actions speak louder. Why would you hang out with someone who made threats against you? Dan didn't threaten JP. He thought JP was "twisted." Too bad he didn't avoid him.
Dan did not have any mob ties and JP knew that. In fact, Adam Duwe testified that JP knew about this fact and was angered by it, because he wanted to be in the Mafia.
I'd be interested in knowing where you heard that Dan "repeatedly pointed a gun at the heads of Orlewicz and his friends". This was never mentioned during trial. As for the guns, the only reason Dan had the gun at the crime scene was, because JP told him to bring it!
As for Orlewicz's ability to be rehabilitated, these types of personalities cannot be rehabilitated. If you study the sociopathic mind, you will find out why. Also, Judge Berry was right when she said, "I believe you would kill, again."
One last thing. Nobody gets to speak for Dan Sorensen in the legal process. The prosecution is there to try a defendent. It is not their job to defend Dan. Had that been their responsibility, you would have seen many, many people up on the stand, testifying about the many kind and loving acts Dan did. Of course he wasn't perfect, but he was always "there" when you needed him. In the words of the prosecutors, "Dan was the kind of guy who stood up for people who wouldn't, or couldn't, stand up for themselves." They had evidence right in front of them.

[GinoA797]

I don't any of the people involved thank god. I can't believe that people file ppo's against someone and then have nothing bad to say about them. Come on makes no sense. I am really happy for you that your teenagers have never cursed or been upset while speaking to you, you are one of the lucky parents in the world. You say that Dan felt JP was twisted but yet this man at 26 was hanging around 17 year old teenagers, this whole story is twisted.

[aubrey04]

You have absolutely got to be kidding me.....JP is a monster....apparently it wasn't good enough for him to have killed Dan...he cut his head off and threw it in the water. Ya know murder is awful enough but what he did after the murder is something only an evil, sick and twisted mind could do. He deserves no re-trial, he has no remorse (did you hear the jail tapes played during the trial?) and he needs to stay locked away from the rest of society.
Rehabilitation?? Really??....Do you think Charles Manson was a candidate for reahb too? Sick and twisted minds :cursing:

I absolutely agree. I watched this trial and have NEVER been more convinced on someones guilty. JP Orlewicz set Dan up. He premeditated it - covering the windows and luring Dan to his death. He killed Dan for the thrill of it and because he thought no one would miss Dan. He thought WRONG - Dan's parents loved him VERY much.

JP's performance on the stand was pathetic. He is an apathetic, narcisisstic sociopath. This crime was so heinous - it practically screamed DEATH PENALTY, but since Michigan has no DP and Orlewicz was 17 at the time... he escaped.

It's just as well - if he dies at 65 - that will mean he would have spent 48 years in prison... awwww sweet justice!

If he were to be released - he would kill again. Absolutely guaranteed!

[aubrey04]

Here is the PDF/transcript of the hearing...

http://www.freep.com/uploads/pdfs/2009/05/0519%20orlewicz%20transcript.pdf

[Nikko1]

I don't any of the people involved thank god. I can't believe that people file ppo's against someone and then have nothing bad to say about them. Come on makes no sense. I am really happy for you that your teenagers have never cursed or been upset while speaking to you, you are one of the lucky parents in the world. You say that Dan felt JP was twisted but yet this man at 26 was hanging around 17 year old teenagers, this whole story is twisted.

GinoA797,
It's too bad that you didn't know Dan. If you were his friend, he would do anything for you. If you, or anyone else on this site would like to check out the memorial page that was set up about him, go to:
www.myspace.com/dansorensenforever2
It is wonderful! Full of pictures of Dan and comments directed toward him that reflect the man he was., not the man that the defense tried to paint him as.
As for the fact that Dan was "hanging out with teenagers", the defense tried to imply that Dan ONLY associated with teens. That isn't the case at all! Most of his friends were in the 21-30-year-old age range. Some of his friends were even older. Dan has [I]always[I] associated with people of varying ages. Even when he was a little boy, some of the friends he played with were older than he was. There was nothing sinister about it. Why did he hang out with Orlewicz? I have a good idea, but I'm not saying anything. This case is still in the appellate process. There's more to JP Orlewicz than was revealed at trial. They weren't friends for very long and they didn't "hang out" very many times before Dan was killed. The rest of us didn't like JP. We had never met him, but just from what Dan told us about him, we didn't like him. The only reason Dan even knew JP was because he was friends with someone that JP knew who was Dan's age. The mutual friend had a cousin that was JP's friend. So, take a look at his page. You don't have to have a MySpace account to access it.

[GinoA797]

Nikko I am sure that Dan had good points and if I offended I am sorry. I feel for his parents as a parent myself I can't imagine what they have gone through. This case has me very torn. I believe that teenage brains are not wired as adult brains are. I could quote the studies but this is just my opinion and it means nothing. The one thing I am sure about is that we will probably never know the enire story. I am not defending JP Orlewicz he has definitly been convicted of a terribly violent crime. Sorry to ramble. As a parent of a 17 yr old boy I hate to think a kid is just evil. So this is where I am coming from and I mean no disrespect to Dan or his family or friends.

[Nikko1]

Gino, nobody likes to think that there is evil around us, especially in kids. Sadly, our society has always had its' evil-doers. Teens don't think like adults. They lack the experience and maturity. Heck, some adults don't even act like adults! However, immaturity isn't an excuse for killing someone and then humiliating and dismembering their body. Believe me, JP Orlewicz wasn't afraid of Dan. Adam Duwe and Alex Letkemann both testified to that fact.
Your opinion does matter. Everybody is entitled to theirs. We, meaning Dan's other friends and his family, would just like people to know the facts, not just the garbage that the defense spews. Orlewicz's attorneys really didn't have a defense, so the plan they cooked up was "defame the victim." It's not an uncommon tactic when the defendant is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Here was something we all found "funny." Joseph Niskaar, who was one of JP's attorneys, had a little facial hair. Jim Thomas decided to attack Dan, because he had a slight goatee. Off went Niskaar's facial hair! When the trial was over, he grew it back, again. Just stupid.
You mentioned the case studies about the wiring of the teenage mind. Take a look at the studies available on sociopaths. Better yet, read "The Stranger Beside Me" by Ann Rule. It is about the Ted Bundy case. Rule was a close friend of Ted Bundy. Nobody, including herself, believed that Bundy was guilty of such terrible things, even though all of the evidence pointed to the fact that he was guilty. He was so charming, kind, and helpful! An angel of a man. Bundy was guilty and so is JP Orlewicz. Sociopaths who kill "cannot be rehabilitated." Nobody except for Orlewicz's family and friends (they're scary, too - the friends) in the Detroit area want to see this guy on the streets.
Also, consider these three things and see if you can figure something out:
1. The defense made a big deal out of the fact that the 3 large containers of Drano were never used to clean up the murder scene.

2. Dan's head was not disposed of until the day AFTER the murder when it was announced on the news that a headless body had been found and identified.

3. JP had the words "I love skulls" on his MySpace page.

Hmmm...

[Jpanda]

Gino, nobody likes to think that there is evil around us, especially in kids. Sadly, our society has always had its' evil-doers. Teens don't think like adults. They lack the experience and maturity. Heck, some adults don't even act like adults! However, immaturity isn't an excuse for killing someone and then humiliating and dismembering their body. Believe me, JP Orlewicz wasn't afraid of Dan. Adam Duwe and Alex Letkemann both testified to that fact.
Your opinion does matter. Everybody is entitled to theirs. We, meaning Dan's other friends and his family, would just like people to know the facts, not just the garbage that the defense spews. Orlewicz's attorneys really didn't have a defense, so the plan they cooked up was "defame the victim." It's not an uncommon tactic when the defendant is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Here was something we all found "funny." Joseph Niskaar, who was one of JP's attorneys, had a little facial hair. Jim Thomas decided to attack Dan, because he had a slight goatee. Off went Niskaar's facial hair! When the trial was over, he grew it back, again. Just stupid.
You mentioned the case studies about the wiring of the teenage mind. Take a look at the studies available on sociopaths. Better yet, read "The Stranger Beside Me" by Ann Rule. It is about the Ted Bundy case. Rule was a close friend of Ted Bundy. Nobody, including herself, believed that Bundy was guilty of such terrible things, even though all of the evidence pointed to the fact that he was guilty. He was so charming, kind, and helpful! An angel of a man. Bundy was guilty and so is JP Orlewicz. Sociopaths who kill "cannot be rehabilitated." Nobody except for Orlewicz's family and friends (they're scary, too - the friends) in the Detroit area want to see this guy on the streets.
Also, consider these three things and see if you can figure something out:
1. The defense made a big deal out of the fact that the 3 large containers of Drano were never used to clean up the murder scene.

2. Dan's head was not disposed of until the day AFTER the murder when it was announced on the news that a headless body had been found and identified.

3. JP had the words "I love skulls" on his MySpace page.

Hmmm...

Very well said Nikko, and I am very sorry for your loss. Sounds like Dan was very fortunate to have had you as a friend.

I followed this trial and JP Orlewicz is a SCARY individual...I agree that he can not be rehabilitated, and even if he was, I would never want him living next door to me or any of my (future) children. I understand that he is a teenager but if I wouldn't feel safe with him around myself or my kids, then I wouldn't want him out on the streets living next to anyone else either.

He is where he belongs, and I'm glad Dan and his loved ones got the justice they deserve.. IMO

[GinoA797]

I understand everything you have said nikko and I actually agree with you. What JP Orlewicz has done is terrible awful sickening. I just think there is so much more to the story than I will ever know and I never agree with giving up on kids to throw them away forever. I also for bad for Dan, his family & friends this case still has me really torn.

[Nikko1]

Thank you, JPanda and Gino.
JP Orlewicz is a teenager, yes. Like you, I don't like seeing a teen spend the rest of his life behind bars. However, it's where he belongs. He is a lying, manipulative, homicidal, conscienceless individual no matter how old or young he may be.
Remember Orlewicz's friend, Alex Mullins? He's the one that set up the tarps, but didn't show up on the day of the murder. According to his MySpace page (which has recently disappeared), he wanted to join the military so he could kill people.
Another young man named Matt Landry, age 21, was recently killed in the Detroit area by a 17-year old kid. The alleged killer smiled for the camera as though it was for a high school yearbook picture! Too many crimes like this are being committed around the country by teenagers. As a society, we cannot allow their young age lull us into a misdirected sense of compassion. The compassion belongs to the victims, not the killers. It's one thing to exercise poor judgement, but this was murder. Premeditated, cold-blooded murder just to see what it was like and to see if he could get away with it.
I will let you know if I hear or see anything else about the appeal.
Enjoy the rest of your summer.

[lvlheaded]

nikko you are clearly involved in some way with soresen you've posted all over the place and your name is based on dans cats name.

Saying orlowitz is EVIL is insane and you clearly have no understanding for the human condition. to claim he would certainly kill again is absurd, plenty of murderers have been let out of prison to not reoffend also killers have been found many many years after the murder and not killed others during that time. I see nothing that says he's evil, no history of animal cruelty came to light, no evidence of any kind of "evil" actions other then a fasination with crime and the mafia which is not uncommon now a days. I think you should look at history before accusing him of being evil. why are there suddenly so many young killers popping up? you think suddenly evil kids are being born? or perhaps is something to do with the culture with television/movies/music playing a large roll. children today are desensitized and i think most would agree it's whats led to the sudden influx of similar murders.

And before you claim him EVIL and untreatable you should look up the case of leopold and loebb. I think you will find there was similar sentiment towards this case and leopold inparticular proved himself time and time again as not a reoffender infact risking his life in service to his country and learning 14 languages and teaching in prison. if there was any evidence of orlowitz following the typical history of most serial killers then i would be first to denounce him, tourturing animals and people, outcast etc but he didn't show any of these signs.

[GinoA797]

Thanks lvlheaded for saying my opinion so well.

[RootBeer]

Not just the murder, but you can tell in the way JP spoke to his own parents that he is an evil boy.

[lvlheaded]

those tapes should never have been played in the first place and you just proved they were very poisoning to the case. they were made between a son and his parents firstly and had no relevence to the case. he was 18 and very young looking in an adult jail facing life in prison, did you expect him to be upbeat? if the parents were ok with him talking to them like that then who are we to judge. a conversation held 2 years after the case after he's been in jail for a long time for his age atleast proves nothing. how do you know he wasn't raped the day before or the parents weren't being mean the day before. we don't know and it was totally out of context.
if everytime a kid treated there parents badly or yelled at them was a sign of being evil then we may as well stop having kids. if you have kids maybe they are saints, i don't have kids but when i was a teenager i said very bad things to my parents and treated them badly. taken out of context you could have said i was evil. can you say you treated your parents like gods when you were a teen? if so good for you but i know many of us didn't and it's a part of growing up to rebel against your parents and blame them for things. when you get older you learn you made mistakes but they help you grow and help when you have kids to be more understanding. no witness came forward to say he was evil at the court case. no one accused him of anything even remotly evil other then the crime that took place. they knew the boy not you. if they couldn't come up with a single example of his Evilness then who are you to judge him. did he make a massive mistake sure, should be be punished sure. but lets not make him out to be a manson or a bundy. he showed no signs of being truly evil.
I will leave you with a video i saw the other day. it was of a ten year old beheading a man in an arab country. he seemed to have his parents there with him, locals from his village gathered there and he then proceeded to cut of the head of a grown man whom was alive and after 5 minutes of sawing held it up for the camera very happy. now was he evil? he beheaded a man yes, he almost seemed to enjoy it yes, but the cullture he was from raised him that way. he was raised thinking it was normal and that it was ok. he was not some serial killer prodigy he was just raised to think it was ok and something that should be done. now what relevence does this have to orleciz? have you watched tv latly? the news? the internet? movies? all of these have graphic content showing people doing such things. with the hundreds of millions of people in america alone, can you say 1 kid will not have a hard time telling reality from fiction? then you throw in a 26 year old saying he's in the mafia and all this stuff right out of a movie just adding to his already confused mind. do you see what i'm saying. it was a terrible encounter these two meeting. they both lived in a semi fictional world. they both worshiped fictional mob movies and this is i believe what lead to the death. they each tried to out do the other until this was the result. a mob killing performed by a disturbed 17 year old.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

now what relevence does this have to orleciz?

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Zero relevance. For obvious reasons.

J.P. Orlewicz is most definitely evil. The totality of the facts in this case prove it.

[GinoA797]

Lvlheaded you write so well. I agree 100% with everything you wrote. Those tapes should have been kept out.

[RootBeer]

He stole money from his parents to buy drugs. Nice kid. :rolleyes:

[lvlheaded]

i would love to hear the facts that prove he's evil. he didn't torture sorensen. had no abusive/aggresive history and only killed one person. no cult, no satan worship, no sexual assault. I just don't see it. the only thing i saw which i'm not sure if it was online or during the trial was something about his myspace page being called "i love skulls". Now if he was attempting to collect skulls then perhaps hes heading down the serial killer path but one sentence is just not enough for me to go on. if they shows he was always drawing skulls in class or dug up graves to collect skulls or something like that then i would be more likly to agree but they never showed anything to really link him to an obsession with skulls, it seems more just an obsession with the mafia which is pretty normal in todays society with the glorification of the mafia in media.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

i would love to hear the facts that prove he's evil.

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J.P. Orlewicz cut off Dan Sorensen's head.

EVIL. Personified.

[True2Blues]

i would love to hear the facts that prove he's evil. he didn't torture sorensen. had no abusive/aggresive history and only killed one person. no cult, no satan worship, no sexual assault. I just don't see it. the only thing i saw which i'm not sure if it was online or during the trial was something about his myspace page being called "i love skulls". Now if he was attempting to collect skulls then perhaps hes heading down the serial killer path but one sentence is just not enough for me to go on. if they shows he was always drawing skulls in class or dug up graves to collect skulls or something like that then i would be more likly to agree but they never showed anything to really link him to an obsession with skulls, it seems more just an obsession with the mafia which is pretty normal in todays society with the glorification of the mafia in media.

"Only killed one person?" That's okay is it? By the way, you forgot preplanned and laid in wait.

[vonna]

"Only killed one person?" That's okay is it? By the way, you forgot preplanned and laid in wait.

I watched that trial and a just verdict was rendered for that killer!

[True2Blues]

I watched that trial and a just verdict was rendered for that killer!

I agree completely.

[mark]

It is strange that you call your self levelheaded because you don't seem to be. I'm curious as to how many people a person would have to murder to be considered evil? And the tapes not be played because they poisoned the case? You are also very niave. Anyone in jail knows their phone calls are taped and can be used in court. The calls by all means were legitimate. I'm sure James Thomas had told JP to keep his mouth shout while on the phone. And it doen't appear that the other kid acted that way towards his parents on the phone. He too was facing life in prison. Your whole arguement is goofy. When a person precisely plans out out, and carries out a murder he is evil. I am not sorry YOUR friend is in prison. The trial was very fair. JP was simply stupid. The real JP was undressed in front of the jury and the public. And you are saddly wrong. If he had gotten away with Dan's death he would have struck again. What was the drain cleaner really for?

[RootBeer]

J.P. Orlewicz cut off Dan Sorensen's head.

EVIL. Personified.

Plus he tried to burn the rest of the body. What a sicko.

[Nikko1]

i would love to hear the facts that prove he's evil. he didn't torture sorensen. had no abusive/aggresive history and only killed one person. no cult, no satan worship, no sexual assault. I just don't see it. the only thing i saw which i'm not sure if it was online or during the trial was something about his myspace page being called "i love skulls". Now if he was attempting to collect skulls then perhaps hes heading down the serial killer path but one sentence is just not enough for me to go on. if they shows he was always drawing skulls in class or dug up graves to collect skulls or something like that then i would be more likly to agree but they never showed anything to really link him to an obsession with skulls, it seems more just an obsession with the mafia which is pretty normal in todays society with the glorification of the mafia in media.

I hate to use Ted Bundy as an example, but I will. He was seen as a charming, personable, responsible, and caring young man by those closest to him. This is not surprising, as it is common among SOCIOPATHS. As for your statement about Dan not being tortured, well I guess we disagree on that one. Being stabbed over and over again, knowing that you are about to die as you lie helpless on the ground growing colder and colder as the blood drains from your body sounds pretty doggone "tortuous" to me!!

[RayStar]

I watched that trial and a just verdict was rendered for that killer!
Yes, a just verdict. This young man is right where he belongs.

[cherylt]

Yes, a just verdict. This young man is right where he belongs.


Absolutely! He can ask all he wants but IMO that trial was bullet-proof! He best get used to those bars...

[RootBeer]

Absolutely! He can ask all he wants but IMO that trial was bullet-proof! He best get used to those bars...

If there was a death penalty in Michigan, JP would of got it. jmo

[aubrey04]

:cursing:i would love to hear the facts that prove he's evil. he didn't torture sorensen. had no abusive/aggresive history and only killed one person. no cult, no satan worship, no sexual assault. I just don't see it. the only thing i saw which i'm not sure if it was online or during the trial was something about his myspace page being called "i love skulls". Now if he was attempting to collect skulls then perhaps hes heading down the serial killer path but one sentence is just not enough for me to go on. if they shows he was always drawing skulls in class or dug up graves to collect skulls or something like that then i would be more likly to agree but they never showed anything to really link him to an obsession with skulls, it seems more just an obsession with the mafia which is pretty normal in todays society with the glorification of the mafia in media.

I have to admit - in all my time on this messageboard, I think this post is on the top ten craziest posts I have ever read.

You are downplaying the crime here. I watched the ENTIRE trial & Orlewicz premeditated this crime and lured Dan to his death. In the beginning Alex Mullins was going to help out & Mullins helped cover the garage with plastic and covered the windows in an effort to leave the least amount of evidence in the garage. Mullins couldn't help, so Letkemann then became the accomplice.. Orlewicz could have changed his mind about this PREMEDITATED crime at any time in those days before he killed Dan, but he didn't.. he wanted to do this thrill kill. He purposely and intentionally plotted the gruesome murder and dismemberment of a human being.

Quite a few of Orlewicz's friends testified that they heard him discussing how he wanted to kill someone..

JP is a sick, twisted, demented, narcissistic, sociopath and murderer.

Would you have wanted him to be released at some point and live in your neighborhood? Or near your friends/family members? The guy has NO soul whatsoever.

There is NO question this guy is guilty as all get out. He deserved the death penalty really.

And the way he spoke to his parents was disgusting and vile.. I guess you think it is okay to speak to people in that manner?? Yes, I did sass talk my parents a little growing up, but I would have NEVER talked to them in the way that Orlewicz did.. completely & utterly disrespectful & ungrateful... The parents seemed to be doing everything in their power to get JP off on a lesser charge, at least.. paying for a high priced attorney.. and JP acted like a spoiled, entitled, unappreciative jerk to them.

[mark]

So let me get this straight. If you are afraid of someone you can plan Self-Defense in advance. Premeditated Self-Defense? I find it strange that Dr. Shiener did not take into consideration the fact that JP planned Daniel's murder in advance. This hack of a psychiatrist said that his ONLY consideration in deciding JP did commit this crime in self-defense was his conversation's with JP. He interviewed JP one last time after the trial but did not take this into account, even though, by his own admission, clients often lie to get out of serious trouble. But a premeditated murder had no bearing on his, Dr Shiener's, decision. So Elizabeth Jacobs, the Defensive appeals expert, contends that if we are afraid enough of someone we can just kill them so we don't have to be afraid any more. JP thought Dan was in the MOB, even though JP had been to Daniel's house two or three times: An unassuming, small house in Westland. Dan threatened JP and his family: Although NO ONE but JP testified to this at trial. And yet instead of simply avoiding Dan or even reporting Dan and his threats to the police, JP planned and carried out a murder that the defense says was justified. Think about how sick and scary that is. I think the Dr., attorneys and JP all belong locked up together. If Ms. Jacobs is at all serious about her reason for appeal she needs to take a good long look in the mirror because she and Doc Shiener may be more frightening than their client, JP.

[mark]

Just to clarify something. Friend's and family are not professional witnesses. They are character witnesses. And the Defense could have paraded as many of them to the stand as they wanted to. No one stopped the defense from doing this. Just the fact that there were so few defense witnesses tells us how bad even the defense thought their case was. This story has been repeated endlessly but to repeat again. The PPO in Illinois was taken out by the Mother of Dan's Girlfriend. She was coerced into by her then abusive boyfriend under threat of more violent physical abuse. This man had at one time thrown this woman down a flight of stairs. Dan was trying to protect her from this abuse which angered this abusive filth. This is what Dan did quite often in his short life. He would put himself at risk in order to help those who were incapable of helping themselves. This woman was willing to come to Michigan to testify and set the record straight. So things are not always as they appear and can be twisted by an unscrupulous defense. And there are things about JP that were not brought out at trial and if they became known would make your skin crawl. Dispite what has been stated by a couple of very niave posters, JP is as evil as evil can get. Thank goodness Alex Letkemann went to the police or I can almost guarantee that He, Alex, would have been JP's next victim. Alex was the only witness to the crime. And by the way: never once mentioned a thing about self defense even though that would have kept him out of prison. Just food for thought.

[RootBeer]

Just to clarify something. Friend's and family are not professional witnesses. They are character witnesses. And the Defense could have paraded as many of them to the stand as they wanted to. No one stopped the defense from doing this. Just the fact that there were so few defense witnesses tells us how bad even the defense thought their case was. This story has been repeated endlessly but to repeat again. The PPO in Illinois was taken out by the Mother of Dan's Girlfriend. She was coerced into by her then abusive boyfriend under threat of more violent physical abuse. This man had at one time thrown this woman down a flight of stairs. Dan was trying to protect her from this abuse which angered this abusive filth. This is what Dan did quite often in his short life. He would put himself at risk in order to help those who were incapable of helping themselves. This woman was willing to come to Michigan to testify and set the record straight. So things are not always as they appear and can be twisted by an unscrupulous defense. And there are things about JP that were not brought out at trial and if they became known would make your skin crawl. Dispite what has been stated by a couple of very niave posters, JP is as evil as evil can get. Thank goodness Alex Letkemann went to the police or I can almost guarantee that He, Alex, would have been JP's next victim. Alex was the only witness to the crime. And by the way: never once mentioned a thing about self defense even though that would have kept him out of prison. Just food for thought.

Alex L could of stopped all of this if he went to the cops first before the murder. I feel bad for him, but not that bad.

[mark]

Yes, Alex could have stopped this and I will live with this for the rest of my life and so will he.

[RootBeer]

Yes, Alex could have stopped this and I will live with this for the rest of my life and so will he.

I hope Alex gets out early.

[GinoA797]

Alex was there why should he get out early. Oh ya I forgot all the teenagers involved in this case are great kids. It is all JP he is the only evil one....

[gamergirl]

Here is the PDF/transcript of the hearing...

http://www.freep.com/uploads/pdfs/2009/05/0519%20orlewicz%20transcript.pdf

Thanks for posting the link Aubrey. An interesting read!

[RootBeer]

Alex was there why should he get out early. Oh ya I forgot all the teenagers involved in this case are great kids. It is all JP he is the only evil one....

Alex should get out early because he confessed to his part in the crime. JP lied about the self defense.

[GinoA797]

Alex took a 20 yr plea deal-get out early please. And he took the deal only a couple of days before the trial started. I get it general consenus is Alex and the others are good "kids" and JP the evil "kid". And what about the 26 year old man who hangs around kids? Would any of you that are parents of teenagers, which I am, like your kid to hang out with men who are 9 years older??? Nobody in this case has clean hands....

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Alex took a 20 yr plea deal-get out early please. And he took the deal only a couple of days before the trial started. I get it general consenus is Alex and the others are good "kids" and JP the evil "kid". And what about the 26 year old man who hangs around kids? Would any of you that are parents of teenagers, which I am, like your kid to hang out with men who are 9 years older??? Nobody in this case has clean hands....

Alex accepted the plea deal with the stipulation he would tell the truth about Dan Sorensen's horrific murder. And Alex did indeed tell the truth.

Once again, you attempt to blame Dan Sorensen for J.P Orlewicz murdering him & cutting off his head.

And J.P. Orlewicz did indeed murder Dan Sorensen & cut off his head.

Why do you blame Dan for J.P.'s horrendous, murderous actions?

Do you really believe that Dan deserved what J.P. did to him because his friends were teenagers & he was not a teenager?

[GinoA797]

No I don't believe that Dan deserved to be murdered. What a ridiculous thought. I feel there is so much more that we will never know. I also don't believe in evil kids. I do believe that a 26 year old man has no good reason to hang out with 17 year old kids. No good reason at all nothing in common it to me as a mom of 2 teenage boys. Never happen in my household. I could understand teenagers seniors hanging out with college kids but a man who had he gone to college would have been out for atleast 4 years. It is strange. If you think it is fine great but not my kids....

[aubrey04]

Just to clarify something. Friend's and family are not professional witnesses. They are character witnesses. And the Defense could have paraded as many of them to the stand as they wanted to. No one stopped the defense from doing this. Just the fact that there were so few defense witnesses tells us how bad even the defense thought their case was. This story has been repeated endlessly but to repeat again. The PPO in Illinois was taken out by the Mother of Dan's Girlfriend. She was coerced into by her then abusive boyfriend under threat of more violent physical abuse. This man had at one time thrown this woman down a flight of stairs. Dan was trying to protect her from this abuse which angered this abusive filth. This is what Dan did quite often in his short life. He would put himself at risk in order to help those who were incapable of helping themselves. This woman was willing to come to Michigan to testify and set the record straight. So things are not always as they appear and can be twisted by an unscrupulous defense. And there are things about JP that were not brought out at trial and if they became known would make your skin crawl. Dispite what has been stated by a couple of very niave posters, JP is as evil as evil can get. Thank goodness Alex Letkemann went to the police or I can almost guarantee that He, Alex, would have been JP's next victim. Alex was the only witness to the crime. And by the way: never once mentioned a thing about self defense even though that would have kept him out of prison. Just food for thought.

Great post, Mark. Absolutely exceptional post. Bravo. I do wonder whether Alex truly believed JP was going to go through with it. As I recall, a lot of JP's friends stated they did NOT believe him - or at least they didn't think much of his statements --when he would yakk about wanting to kill people. So in some ways, I wonder if Alex really believed that JP was going to go through with it.. Regardless, he should have gone to the cops & Dan would still be alive.

The bolded portion is a great point. If it was self-defense, why would Alex testify and state it was premeditated and agree to a long prison sentence?... That doesn't make a lick of sense.

:shrug:



imo

[aubrey04]

Alex took a 20 yr plea deal-get out early please. And he took the deal only a couple of days before the trial started. I get it general consenus is Alex and the others are good "kids" and JP the evil "kid". And what about the 26 year old man who hangs around kids? Would any of you that are parents of teenagers, which I am, like your kid to hang out with men who are 9 years older??? Nobody in this case has clean hands....

It does seem like you're trying to shift the blame here. It doesn't matter why Dan was hanging with younger people. It is NOT a crime to do so. Yes, it is a little strange.. Maybe he was emotionally stunted/immature.. Who knows? It doesn't matter.

Even if it was a crime for him to hang w/them, it would not be a death penalty eligible crime.. and that's what Dan was handed by JP.. a death sentence.

I don't find any redeeming qualities in JP and find it bizarre that others do. I watched him testify with all his lies & deceit. He came across so cold and callous... a spoiled brat, arrogant and yes... EVIL.

I do believe he's pure EVIL.

JP was the one who planned the murder. JP is the one who murdered Dan. JP is the one who mutilated his body. JP is the one who was telling people he wanted to kill people.. He told people he wanted to kill Dan.... Then JP kept with the lies & cover up. That's why he got the life sentence.

Alex L. got the lighter sentence because he was truthful & got a plea deal.. and apparently investigators/the DA's office, as well as myself, believe he did NOT physically murder Dan or mutilate the body.. Alex is no saint, but again.. this was JP's plan. When Mullins couldn't help that day,Letkemann stepped in.. That piece of the puzzle -- the accomplice -- was interchangeable.. it could have easily been Mullins in jail right now, if Dan hadn't brought his gf that first scheduled meeting with JP.... Or if he (Mullins) wasn't tied up the day Dan was murdered.

That was JP's fantasy & he is the one who plotted this and executed his sick fantasy.

[GinoA797]

It may not be a crime to hang out with teenagers when your a grown up man but it is certainly not normal. Everybodys hands are dirty. Just my opinion. I can not call kids evil. It is not black and white for me sorry. And I am very sure the prosc. are happy that you agree with them. I have no personal stake in this case. I don't understand the anger when I don't agree, what is your personal stake in this case? The hating should just stop it just breeds haters....JMO

[RootBeer]

I wish Insession would re-run this trial.

[phylcore]

Hi Root Beer,I didn't read all the posts but reading your are they going to have a new trial for J.P. Orlewicz.TIA

[RootBeer]

Hi Root Beer,I didn't read all the posts but reading your are they going to have a new trial for J.P. Orlewicz.TIA

no, i just want to see the trial again as a rerun on tv.

[GinoA797]

They did re run it recently...Can't remember when I believe in the last 6 months. He was in court the other day I guess making a bid for a new trial, i guess. Haven't had time to read the article....Have a nice Sunday all!!

[Nikko1]

The trial was played back, in part, in April. Orlewicz is appealing his 2 life term convictions. The circuit judge is expected to rule before Thanksgiving. That decision will likely be appealed to the appellate court. This process is likely to continue for at least 2 more years.

[GinoA797]

Thank You Nikko for being so well informed.