Friday 2/27

[beachpatty]

Here one to start today. An end to many questions, maybe today?
I continue my prayers for Heleigh.
Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

My timeline from yesterday may well be incorrect, feel free to correct me.

So, they had Misty in for more questioning in the morning, as I understand it, then the searchers/cadaver dogs move to the dumptster area, then Ron is out of the tent with LE, then they are back in the mobile home that Haleigh disappeared from.

Gut instinct tells me that Misty either broke or gave forth additional information, which led them to that dumpster and Ron back to the home, w/LE.

Did I miss something, or maybe my timeline is wrong?

TIA,
Beachpatty

[n/t]

My timeline from yesterday may well be incorrect, feel free to correct me.

So, they had Misty in for more questioning in the morning, as I understand it, then the searchers/cadaver dogs move to the dumptster area, then Ron is out of the tent with LE, then they are back in the mobile home that Haleigh disappeared from.

Gut instinct tells me that Misty either broke or gave forth additional information, which led them to that dumpster and Ron back to the home, w/LE.

Did I miss something, or maybe my timeline is wrong?

TIA,
Beachpatty

Your timeline seems to be correct according to what was said on NG last night.

The way it all came down is very bizarre but I guess the good news is they ruled out the dumpster? Did they or are they continuing to keep information close to their vests?

When I went to bed last night I hadn't heard the news that THREE dogs hit on the dumpster. :unsure:


Good Morning!

[n/t]

Thanks BP, Yes they had Misty in for a 3 hour interview. That seems like a long time this far in the game. Perhaps she did tell them something that brought out the dogs.

Also it was reported that Ron and Misty are staying in separate places now. Dont know if they broke up or not. I sure wish one of these reporters would interview her and not just ask her the same old questions but the ones we have all been here wondering and asking each other.

If the family wants the media attention necessary to find Haleigh, then they need to get Misty out there. She should be the one talking to reporters. God bless all the family but Misty is the one I want to hear from.

It was reported that Ron was driving his truck yesterday as well as Chrystal was driving her car. So that is 2 vehicles we can take off the impound list. Does Misty own a car?

Many of the guest attorneys on the talk shows are stunned that Misty hasn't lawyered up yet. She was interviewed 4 times and IIRC, they've all been long interviews lasting between 3 to 5 hours at a time. What more can she tell them or are they waiting for her to slip up?

[Leanne Weich]

Brought over from yesterday's thread.

02-27-2009, 08:30 PM
Pag Boi
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: counting crows
Posts: 878

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too. My b-i-l trains both scent and cadaver dogs for the police force. Whether a dog only picks up human decomp. depends on how well it is trained apparently. Dogs are renowned for picking up on animal decomp. if they are not really well trained apparently.


ITA. The article that keeps getting quoted seems to be selectively quoted JMOO.

Here is what Selzter is sourced as saying after the author's unsourced, unquoted claim that 3 dogs hit same spot.....


Quote:
Selzer explained that the dogs brought to Satsuma on Thursday have been trained to alert only on the scent of human decomposition, not meat or dead animals. He said the dogs could hit on a something a small as a bandage used to cover a person's bloody cut.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html
__________________
"Music was my accomplice." Michael Phelps

02-27-2009, 08:30 PM
Pag Boi
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: counting crows
Posts: 878

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too. My b-i-l trains both scent and cadaver dogs for the police force. Whether a dog only picks up human decomp. depends on how well it is trained apparently. Dogs are renowned for picking up on animal decomp. if they are not really well trained apparently.


ITA. The article that keeps getting quoted seems to be selectively quoted JMOO.

Here is what Selzter is sourced as saying after the author's unsourced, unquoted claim that 3 dogs hit same spot.....


Quote:
Selzer explained that the dogs brought to Satsuma on Thursday have been trained to alert only on the scent of human decomposition, not meat or dead animals. He said the dogs could hit on a something a small as a bandage used to cover a person's bloody cut.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html
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"Music was my accomplice." Michael Phelps

After discussing this further with my b-i-l, he said generally dog handlers are going to give the party line about how reliable dogs are. He says, in his experience, they also have off days and their handlers are also oftentimes easily influenced by others. Apparently it is a very competitive thing between handlers and he has had instances where multiple dogs are working together where after eg. dog 1 alerts, the other handlers signal alerts at the same place, only to find nothing.

[Texas48]

Here one to start today. An end to many questions, maybe today?
I continue my prayers for Heleigh.
Beachpatty Good morning once again beachparty. Are we the only ones up this early every am? Is this day 17 or 18..I have lost track. Prayers are non-stop for Haleigh. :wub: For ALL..

[n/t]

I think if her and Ron break up then she would most likely lawyer up. I just get the feeling she is afraid of what he will think if she does. That is of course if she even has a choice to do so at this point. With no money it would have to be pro bono. She would only be entitled to a public defender if she was arrested. Then also the Sunshine Law would go into effect and we would know a lot more than we do now.

NT the amount of time they are questioning Misty sounds to me they are really putting the screws to her BEFORE she gets an attorney. I also tend to wonder if she did pass the LDT(s).

Wonder if Misty or anyone else in all this has been read their rights??

The rights are only read if you're a suspect in the case and from what I understand they're not. Right now, I think they're considered as witnesses to a crime.

I don't think Misty had anything to do with it. Indirectly, perhaps as others have mentioned regarding leaving the back door unlocked to go out partying or whatever but I honestly don't think she did anything to Haleigh. Or she may be covering up for someone.

I think it's fascinating that the investigators haven't ruled out anyone. Also, NOT warning the public of the possibility of a predator and to be vigilant with their children. Isn't that how it's normally handled? Everything about this case is hush hush by LE. Rumours and speculations are alive and well though.

[n/t]

Leanne, are the handlers competitive even if they're from the same organization? I could understand if ABC brings in their dogs and DEF also bring in their dogs but I don't get why the handlers from the same company would compete with each other.

Hope I'm making sense. LOL.

[cuppajoe]

I don't think these people have the money to get a lawyer.

[beachpatty]

Good morning once again beachparty. Are we the only ones up this early every am? Is this day 17 or 18..I have lost track. Prayers are non-stop for Haleigh. :wub: For ALL..


Good Morning
I have always followed this pattern on these threads, the all nighters are signing off and turning in about the time I get up, it seems to work out well. I did 48 weeks of chemo a couple years back, (chemical treatment for Hepatitis C), it altered my sleep patterns and I have not been able to re adjust, no matter what I try. I go to bed @ 7PM on most nights, even if I try to nap, it's a good thing I got my party life in years ago, I am definetly the "party pooper" now.

I want to compliment all the posters, this board for Haleigh has been most pleasant, I have followed quite a few cases here and on the old Court TV threads, many have turned nasty with opinions and taking sides. This group is polite, helpful and sharing, I not seen any of the usual snide posting or "know it all" power trips, that used to be basically the "norm". I'm sure Coldwater appreciates it, too, the boards with the major disagreements and personal issues used to keep her very, very business, trying to mediate and moderate.
Kudos to all here :thumbup:

I am watching my local news (Ft, Myers area) and there had been nothing reported on Haleigh so far, I wonder what the LE game plan is for today and if they plan to share anything at all with media? Yesterday it really seemed that the case was going to break wide open, then nothing reported :sad:

If someone in the more immediate area (O Mr. Lucky?) hears any reports, please share with us?

Beachpatty

[n/t]

I don't think these people have the money to get a lawyer.

They do for child custody and divorce cases and who knows what else, right? They all seem to have some past criminal records. Or does the court appoint one if you can't afford it in these types of cases?

[rosieposett]

I hope this works. It shows a photo of Crystal and you can see how close to collapse she is.

I'm hoping the 12 cadaver dogs expected today will be succusful so the families can end some of their torment. Three weeks of anquish must by now, be effecting their health.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/articles/902261021&tc=yahoo

Yes, Swarovski, the link works great. Thanks for the article. Am I out of line by thinking 12 dogs are a lot of dogs? It seems like a lot.

[newsjunkie]

The rights are only read if you're a suspect in the case and from what I understand they're not. Right now, I think they're considered as witnesses to a crime.

I don't think Misty had anything to do with it. Indirectly, perhaps as others have mentioned regarding leaving the back door unlocked to go out partying or whatever but I honestly don't think she did anything to Haleigh. Or she may be covering up for someone.

I think it's fascinating that the investigators haven't ruled out anyone. Also, NOT warning the public of the possibility of a predator and to be vigilant with their children. Isn't that how it's normally handled? Everything about this case is hush hush by LE. Rumours and speculations are alive and well though.


The rights are only read if one gets arrested. No one has been arrested and all are suspected in this case so no one has been read their rights.

G'morning! :rose:

[rosieposett]

:rose: For Haleigh. Sweetheart, come home.

[Leanne Weich]

Sorry, don't know what happened there and it was too late to edit when I saw what a bugger up I made.

[n/t]

I hope this works. It shows a photo of Crystal and you can see how close to collapse she is.

I'm hoping the 12 cadaver dogs expected today will be succusful so the families can end some of their torment. Three weeks of anquish must by now, be effecting their health.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/articles/902261021&tc=yahoo

Am I missing something? I didn't see where in the article it says 12 cadavar dogs are expected today? I may need more coffee.:huh:

[n/t]

The rights are only read if one gets arrested. No one has been arrested and all are suspected in this case so no one has been read their rights.

G'morning! :rose:

Right. Thanks for clarifying. That's what I meant.:smile:

[Leanne Weich]

Leanne, are the handlers competitive even if they're from the same organization? I could understand if ABC brings in their dogs and DEF also bring in their dogs but I don't get why the handlers from the same company would compete with each other.

Hope I'm making sense. LOL.

From what i gathered from my b-i-l, he was talking about the handlers in the police force where he works. I'll have to ask him if that is the case between rival stations when I can get hold of him later. He is taking a couple of dogs through testing right now.

[n/t]

Sorry, don't know what happened there and it was too late to edit when I saw what a bugger up I made.

Did you see my question? Or did you ignore it cuz it didn't make any sense. LOL :laugh:

[n/t]

From what i gathered from my b-i-l, he was talking about the handlers in the police force where he works. I'll have to ask him if that is the case between rival stations when I can get hold of him later. He is taking a couple of dogs through testing right now.

Thanks for the reply. I posted BEFORE I saw your post. :laugh:

FYI for when you speak to your BIL. These were not police force dogs...

"The cadaver dogs and their handlers were members of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization specializing in canine searches for human remains."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/articles/902261021&tc=yahoo

[crymeariver2006]

Am I missing something? I didn't see where in the article it says 12 cadavar dogs are expected today? I may need more coffee.:huh:


The 12 dogs expected today was reported yesterday. There's probably a link in the link thread. It was reported several times by multiple sources.

:wink:

[PBJMOM4]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3

That's kind of a scary thought that they never FULLY checked the dumpster the first time.

[n/t]

The 12 dogs expected today was reported yesterday. There's probably a link in the link thread. It was reported several times by multiple sources.

:wink:


Wow....thanks for that. I'll check the links thread.

[cutiepatootie61]

Did I hear or read right last night that the dumpster was emptied, contents put into another one and the original dumpster was hauled away? Is this true? If so, why would they do that unless something may have been found? Also it was too soon I think for a report of nothing found to be released, the whole dumpster contents hadn't been thoroughly gone through yet, had it?

[crymeariver2006]

That's kind of a scary thought that they never FULLY checked the dumpster the first time.

Isn't that the truth! And to sound so non-chalant about it....

What's wrong with this picture?

:confused:

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[threesnugbugs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too.





This is not what others confirmed on pages 7 and 8 and 9 of the previous last nights thread. Others said the opposite---that cadaver dogs are searching for putrifice and something else given off after death. THat menstrual blood and other blood does not give off death signs--that the dogs search for death decomposition, not decomp of materials. Cadaver dogs should not hit on ordinary blood/bandages/feminine products.

[bluwaters]

Nothing found after search near Haleigh's home
Officers root through garbage after cadaver dogs alert them at the site
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh

Investigators Waited 17 Days to Fully Search Dumpster Near Haleigh's Home
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3

Amber Alert -- Cadaver Search Dogs Return For Haleigh Search
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/27/amber_alert__cadaver_search_dogs_return_for_haleig h_search.html

Cadaver dogs used in search for Haleigh
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/ARTICLES/902261021/1002?Title=Cadaver-dogs-used-in-search-for-Haleigh

[msgatorslayer]

I think this is the street view of where the dumpster was located. The fence appears to be the same we saw on the video yesterday. You can see the RV's, etc. The Villa trailor Park uses this dumpster, which is nearby.'

It will be interesting if the dogs are brought back here today.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tyler+st+satsuma,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.059939,77.519531&ie=UTF8&ll=29.573886,-81.67335&spn=0.008585,0.018926&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=29.573913,-81.673249&panoid=6Qa4StAayPPwB2vLVmN6Kg&cbp=12,254.6263824523478,,0,5

G'morning! :seeya:

Didn't dogs track Haleigh's scent down this road the first day? Your link looks like the dumpster spot. I guess we wait to see what happens today with the additional dogs that are being brought in.

[SwineFeld]

I still think it's asinine that that dumpster was sitting there all that time and no one thought to check it before yesterday. Or am I mistaken and they did?

[PBJMOM4]

I still think it's asinine that that dumpster was sitting there all that time and no one thought to check it before yesterday. Or am I mistaken and they did?

From what I undertsood from GVS show last night was that "hounds" were in that area before (near dumpsters) but there was no "hit" on them. I also have read the dumpster was searched before, but was not completely emptied COMPLETELY.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but that was my take on the dumpter.

[CelticDawn]

Nothing found after search near Haleigh's home
Officers root through garbage after cadaver dogs alert them at the site
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh

Investigators Waited 17 Days to Fully Search Dumpster Near Haleigh's Home
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3

Amber Alert -- Cadaver Search Dogs Return For Haleigh Search
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/27/amber_alert__cadaver_search_dogs_return_for_haleig h_search.html

Cadaver dogs used in search for Haleigh
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/ARTICLES/902261021/1002?Title=Cadaver-dogs-used-in-search-for-Haleigh

Thank You bluwaters


Re: link #3........THERE IS ...AS OF NOW....NO WAY TO DONATE TO THE HAYLEIGH FUND ONLINE.... Those people out there are SCAMMERS1

[msgatorslayer]

I still think it's asinine that that dumpster was sitting there all that time and no one thought to check it before yesterday. Or am I mistaken and they did?

I read that this was the first time they took things outta the dumpster but that they had checked there before.

For reasons unknown, they went from not searching this week, to calling in the calvary to that dumpster yesterday.:confused: Getting DNA samples from family like they knew they'd find something that needed DNA testing.

[SwineFeld]

Unfortunately, when I click to go to those pages nothing happens. It won't open them. Urg!

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.

[SwineFeld]

Ahh. Got it. Thanks for the reply. And thanks to you too PBJ.

I read that this was the first time they took things outta the dumpster but that they had checked there before.

For reasons unknown, they went from not searching this week, to calling in the calvary to that dumpster yesterday.:confused: Getting DNA samples from family like they knew they'd find something that needed DNA testing.

[CelticDawn]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.

Boi Mom turned over everything to LOCAL FUNERAL HOME?????....Whats up with that???

[msgatorslayer]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.

Yup. Sounds like someone close to them all. Interesting, in deed!!

[msgatorslayer]

Boi Mom turned over everything to LOCAL FUNERAL HOME?????....Whats up with that???

It is a rather odd place to have in charge of the donations. Maybe she knows someone who works there and just wants a reputable place to be in charge of it.

[DenVIP]

I thought I saw Ron with the guy from the funeral home last week about donations.....not the mom

[JD1974]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.


I found it interesting that an insider wouldn't know Crystal missed the hearing for custody so how did the judge just take his side? If she was a no show she sure wasn't fighting for custody. Also I guess it must be ok not to pay your child support if you have another child and you want to stay home :mad:

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks for the reply. I posted BEFORE I saw your post. :laugh:

FYI for when you speak to your BIL. These were not police force dogs...

"The cadaver dogs and their handlers were members of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization specializing in canine searches for human remains."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090227/articles/902261021&tc=yahoo

I'll tell him n/t. However, it is my understanding that police dogs have the highest training. My b-i-l also trains dogs for private S&R teams and the testing they undergo is nowhere near as rigorous as what the police dogs do.

[?noanswer]

I thought I saw Ron with the guy from the funeral home last week about donations.....not the mom

IIRC the guy from the funeral home was announcing that a fund had been set up thru a local bank (BOA) for donations. O/T If it was BOA, it think I would be worried. According to news reports they are in financial trouble. JMO

[Leanne Weich]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too.





This is not what others confirmed on pages 7 and 8 and 9 of the previous last nights thread. Others said the opposite---that cadaver dogs are searching for putrifice and something else given off after death. THat menstrual blood and other blood does not give off death signs--that the dogs search for death decomposition, not decomp of materials. Cadaver dogs should not hit on ordinary blood/bandages/feminine products.

I'm only going on what my b-i-l tells me. The dogs don't pick up on menstrual blood but they do pick up on blood which is decomposing. Something, I forget the name my b-i-l told me that is found in menstrual blood is not in blood from a wound. He said all the cadaver dogs he trains pick up on decomposing blood and has had 2 instances where his dog picked up blood which was not found by CSIs and that although the bodies were never located, the perps in both cases were found guilty of murder with no bodies. Maybe in America, cadaver dogs only find bodies and nothing else. That then leads me to wonder why in many searches, the dogs in fact alert on animal decomp.

ETA: On the last page of the last thread, Pag Boi quoted from someone connected to Haleigh's case that the dogs could in fact be picking up on blood on a bandage or bandaid.

[playnice]

I hope there is a BIG break in the case today.

[breeze53]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:


Morning all I am praying for Haleigh to be found today. Safe we hope.

[breeze53]

Boi Mom turned over everything to LOCAL FUNERAL HOME?????....Whats up with that???

Can u post a link so we can read the comments..thanks:laugh:

[PBJMOM4]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&provider=top

[IlliniFan]

GM


And once again, ty for all the links!!

[VC2]

Good Morning
I have always followed this pattern on these threads, the all nighters are signing off and turning in about the time I get up, it seems to work out well. I did 48 weeks of chemo a couple years back, (chemical treatment for Hepatitis C), it altered my sleep patterns and I have not been able to re adjust, no matter what I try. I go to bed @ 7PM on most nights, even if I try to nap, it's a good thing I got my party life in years ago, I am definetly the "party pooper" now.

I want to compliment all the posters, this board for Haleigh has been most pleasant, I have followed quite a few cases here and on the old Court TV threads, many have turned nasty with opinions and taking sides. This group is polite, helpful and sharing, I not seen any of the usual snide posting or "know it all" power trips, that used to be basically the "norm". I'm sure Coldwater appreciates it, too, the boards with the major disagreements and personal issues used to keep her very, very business, trying to mediate and moderate.
Kudos to all here :thumbup:

I am watching my local news (Ft, Myers area) and there had been nothing reported on Haleigh so far, I wonder what the LE game plan is for today and if they plan to share anything at all with media? Yesterday it really seemed that the case was going to break wide open, then nothing reported :sad:

If someone in the more immediate area (O Mr. Lucky?) hears any reports, please share with us?

Beachpatty

I had a terrible sleep pattern after some treatment too and my doctor told me the cure. I didn't believe him, thought he was a nutter but it worked

if you go to bed at 7 pm normally, then the next night make yourself wait until 8 pm to go to bed. 3rd night 9 pm etc until you go around the clock by 1 hour increases in bedtime to your wished for time. Dont do it by a half hour or two hours, just consistent 1 hour later than the night before. Takes a week or two but it worked better than any medication tried and it was easy bc an hour doesn't push your body to much.

For those who have a sleep pattern that meanst hey are going to bed at 3 or 4 am, you do the same but have to circle all the way around to 10 pm or whatever, takes longer. YouCAN go backwards, but if you do it has to be in 30 minute increments. ex. 3am then 2:30 am because studies showed that if you use the hour it doesn't work well.

Sorry for the OT but it really does the trick to retrain your brain slowly.
sorry for the o/t

[march27]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.


Oh my that is interesting.

[VC2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too.





This is not what others confirmed on pages 7 and 8 and 9 of the previous last nights thread. Others said the opposite---that cadaver dogs are searching for putrifice and something else given off after death. THat menstrual blood and other blood does not give off death signs--that the dogs search for death decomposition, not decomp of materials. Cadaver dogs should not hit on ordinary blood/bandages/feminine products.

Leanne said BLOOD on a bandage decomposes and she is right. the red blood cells and white blood cells and the plasma and all the other parts of blood decompose just as they do in a full dead body. If they found a severed finger, it would be decomposed, as would blood. The chemical reaction of putrefaction is not just in muscle or flesh it is part of the fluid make up of a body too.

imo

[Peaches]

I found it interesting that an insider wouldn't know Crystal missed the hearing for custody so how did the judge just take his side? If she was a no show she sure wasn't fighting for custody. Also I guess it must be ok not to pay your child support if you have another child and you want to stay home :mad:



It seems to me that this poster - thinks that HaLeigh and Butter Bean do not need care/shelter/food/clothes since she defends Crystal for not helping with their support.

Mothers as well as fathers should help care for their children.

I am happy to see that courts are now demanding this!

Crystal gave birth to these children; why does she not think that she owes them anything? I say that every parent who does not help care for their child is a deadbeat and deserves whatever the courts throw their way.

moo

[mustangtoni]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.

Very interesting ...thanks

[march27]

It seems to me that this poster - thinks that HaLeigh and Butter Bean do not need care/shelter/food/clothes since she defends Crystal for not helping with their support.

Mothers as well as fathers should help care for their children.

I am happy to see that courts are now demanding this!

Crystal gave birth to these children; why does she not think that she owes them anything? I say that every parent who does not help care for their child is a deadbeat and deserves whatever the courts throw their way.

moo


I know when I saw the excuse that she doesn't pay child support because she is taking care of her new baby the poster lost all credability with me.

[march27]

Hopefully with AMW profiling the case tomorrow there will be new leads.

[JD1974]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


From your link..


Schauland said the cadaver dogs will alert to the scent of humans, as well as "any human matter such as a bandage with blood on it, or personal hygiene items."


Hopefully that statement will put the dogs nose matter to rest.

[JD1974]

I know when I saw the excuse that she doesn't pay child support because she is taking care of her new baby the poster lost all credability with me.


Really kind of ticked me off, I wonder if the poster would think the same thing if a dad wanted to stay home and take care of a new baby so he wasn't paying child support?

[Erin26GA]

It seems to me that this poster - thinks that HaLeigh and Butter Bean do not need care/shelter/food/clothes since she defends Crystal for not helping with their support.

Mothers as well as fathers should help care for their children.

I am happy to see that courts are now demanding this!

Crystal gave birth to these children; why does she not think that she owes them anything? I say that every parent who does not help care for their child is a deadbeat and deserves whatever the courts throw their way.

moo

Tell it girl, I agree!

[Elle]

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

Beautiful precious child.

[JD1974]

As usually the case, this media report contradicts others. Theresa Neives is quoted that Ron and Misty are no longer an *item*.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18804279/index.html

I seen her on video saying they were, maybe something has changed in the last couple of days?

[?noanswer]

I seen her on video saying they were, maybe something has changed in the last couple of days?

If they have cooled their relationship, does that mean that RC is not afraid that she would implicate him in the disappearance? JMO

[Rick777]

LE's playing it "close to the vest" is starting to look like another term for we don't have anything at all.

I don't see how keeping the house taped off, having a car impounded, and taking Crystals DNA YESTERDAY has anything to do with starting back at square one with dogs in the neighborhood?

[lindasbaitsh]

I have been very disappointed at the lack of news coverage for Haleigh.

GM Roomies, gotz time from selling bait, etc to chit chat.
IMO I don't see how anyone can get a unbiased trial due to all the media coverage.

[Peaches]

I seen her on video saying they were, maybe something has changed in the last couple of days?




Please rememhber that parents of missing children often get a divorce. One blames the other and at time one blames themself. For many reasons breakup happens.

This is the norm - nothing new here - if this is indeed true.

We have seen many untrue reports.............I do not believe that it is on purpose/just hasty reporting. At least this is what I am hoping!

[JD1974]

If they have cooled their relationship, does that mean that RC is not afraid that she would implicate him in the disappearance? JMO


Not sure, maybe he wants to cool it because she is starting to look guilty to him...I am not sure what any of them really think.

[WillowInFlight]

LE's playing it "close to the vest" is starting to look like another term for we don't have anything at all.

I don't see how keeping the house taped off, having a car impounded, and taking Crystals DNA YESTERDAY has anything to do with starting back at square one with dogs in the neighborhood?

I'm not understanding why they still have the house taped off, I would think that anything and everything they could have gotten they would have already.

[JD1974]

Please rememhber that parents of missing children often get a divorce. One blames the other and at time one blames themself. For many reasons breakup happens.

This is the norm - nothing new here - if this is indeed true.

We have seen many untrue reports.............I do not believe that it is on purpose/just hasty reporting. At least this is what I am hoping!



Oh I can definitely see parents and even family members being forever scarred by a missing child. Most of the time it is because we need someone to blame when something like this happens and when you don't know who's to blame, it falls on everyone around you.

[JD1974]

Now, I know this has already been posted and I know this has already been discussed but I need somewhere to ventilate my severe frustration at this situation so even if no one reads this post at least I have gotten it out of my head!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,501784,00.html

I can accept one dog making a mistake. I could even go so far as to stretch my imagination and say two dogs could possibly be fooled but

THREE DOGS???????? GMAFB.


Three highly trained cadaver dogs hit on this dumpster?

I'm not even going to go into the molecular science involved in training cadaver dogs because I know this has already been discussed at length.

Even though the police are stating that nothing significant was found I'm not buying it.

I'm not buying it and I'm not buying it.

That little girl was in that dumpster at some point and at some point she was removed right out from under the noses of all the folks standing there holding Ron and Misty's hand.

Talk about a flaming mess.

Apparently the law enforcement in that area needs US! They need all the folks on this message board to get on a bus and come on down there and show them how to search for a missing child.

Good grief doesn't cover it.


In one of those articles a Sgt (I think Sgt) stated the dogs will hit on band aids and used sanitary products, who knows what was in that dumpster.

[WhiteShark]

My timeline from yesterday may well be incorrect, feel free to correct me.

So, they had Misty in for more questioning in the morning, as I understand it, then the searchers/cadaver dogs move to the dumptster area, then Ron is out of the tent with LE, then they are back in the mobile home that Haleigh disappeared from.

Gut instinct tells me that Misty either broke or gave forth additional information, which led them to that dumpster and Ron back to the home, w/LE.

Did I miss something, or maybe my timeline is wrong?

TIA,
Beachpatty


Didn't LE speak to both RC and Misty, and that they drove home together in RC's pick-up. Then RC went into his home for about an hour or so, with LE. Per NG's producer (I can't remember her name right now) the trailer could be released back to RC at any time. This does not, IMO, indicate Misty/Ron said anything incriminating towards themselves. Perhaps they were even discussing with LE the dog searches and other sightings........nothing else.

[threesnugbugs]

I believe that particular Sgt. to be grossly misinformed.

I also agree.

[cassidy]

Which is my point as well...in the Caylee Anthony case the whole dingy family was allowed to live in the house with Casey coming and going as well!

LE was in that house how many times to collect further evidence. This is the same state so I am missing the whole idea as to why they are living in a tent and their trailer is taped off.

Makes me think that in BOTH cases, LE knew much more than they were letting on right from the get go.

Maybe they learned from mistakes that happened there?

[JD1974]

I believe that particular Sgt. to be grossly misinformed.

Sorry I was wrong, it was the Capt. of the Putnam Co. Sheriff's office, I really hope he isn't misinformed.

[JD1974]

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/texas-equusea-1.html



We were initially intrigued by the find; however when the dog handler later questioned the property owner, we learned that he had recently lost the gloves in the woods when he was disposing of spoiled deer meat. He said that he had been wearing gloves because he had a fresh cut on his hand.The find turned out to be a dead end; however it did serve to show the effectiveness of the cadaver dogs, who had alerted to the smell of blood that had been left inside the gloves as a result of the property owners hand injury.

[WillowInFlight]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story

From the article.
"Schauland said the cadaver dogs will alert to the scent of humans, as well as "any human matter such as a bandage with blood on it, or personal hygiene items."

[cutiepatootie61]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story

I'm confused. The captain stated that the "cadaver" dogs will alert to humans, or any human material such as a bandage or sanitary items. How many times have we heard that CADAVER dogs are specifically trained to alert to the odor of a decomposing body? That the chemicals released from a decomposing body are not that of the chemicals from a live person? Christ almighty can't this be straightened out once and for all?

Also, the fact that 3 dogs alerted tells me that "nothing" was found is B.S., something from somebody was in there at some point, there has got to be evidence of some kind to alert these dogs.

[WillowInFlight]

didn't we learn that though with Caylee and the A's backyard?

Cindy tried to claim that the dogs picked up on a place that George cut himself. I will always believe that Caylee was at one point in that back yard. Specially knowing thats where George and Cindy searched first before the dogs were even brought in.

I can't believe that this little girl just vanished, Praying this doesn't end up like another Trenton where we will never know.

[?noanswer]

Cindy tried to claim that the dogs picked up on a place that George cut himself. I will always believe that Caylee was at one point in that back yard. Specially knowing thats where George and Cindy searched first before the dogs were even brought in.

I can't believe that this little girl just vanished, Praying this doesn't end up like another Trenton where we will never know.

Does anyone think JB would use this incident to try and prove that dog hits are not reliable? JMO

[Elle]

Does anyone know if these are LE cadaver dogs, or if they are from an outside group?

I don't think that they could have thoroughly gone through everything in that dumpster. Sure, they can look through to see any obvious signs, such as blood, but if the dogs that hit did so because of decomp fluid or any one of the cadaver scents they are trained to hit on, then I would think it would take alot longer to go through all of the items in the dumpster and send them off to be tested for non visible signs of Haleigh.

I don't know if I made any sense, but in any case, I don't think that they can conclusively say nothing was found concerning Haleigh that quickly.

Does anyone know if they had a black light there at all last night?

[VC2]

As usually the case, this media report contradicts others. Theresa Neives is quoted that Ron and Misty are no longer an *item*.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18804279/index.html

that wouldn't surprise me, it was only a few months old relationship and i can think of seemingly steady 10 year old marriages that would be on the rocks over this let alone a 5 month b/f g/f one.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes! JB will use whatever works!

Which boils down to nothing :sneaky:

[Motomom]

I believe that particular Sgt. to be grossly misinformed.

Hey mama. I'm with you on this one. I feel like we learned so much, at least I did.. from the CA case and some well informed posters, along with Google that Cadaver dogs hit on Cadavers..No bandaids IMO

[tammym]

LE's playing it "close to the vest" is starting to look like another term for we don't have anything at all.

I don't see how keeping the house taped off, having a car impounded, and taking Crystals DNA YESTERDAY has anything to do with starting back at square one with dogs in the neighborhood?
Snipped...

Meanwhile, authorities late Thursday released the blue-and-white doublewide mobile home where Haleigh was last seen. It had been surrounded with crime-scene tape and repeatedly searched since Feb. 10.


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/27/news/news01.txt

[CANDYKISSES]

Yikes! Read the comments on page 3 and 4 from DallasUR1. Sounds like a family member is responding to the critics. She seems to have inside info. Very interesting.

Oh yeah, it must be family. They can't even spell Haleigh's name correctly. :blink: I think that's a pot stirrer for messageboarding IMO.

The court records show something different if you read them. Crystal and Ron are both lacking and it looks like this was a perfect recipe for disaster IMO all the way around from support issues down to drugs for both of them.

JMO:crying:

BRING HALEIGH HOME!

[JD1974]

didn't we learn that though with Caylee and the A's backyard?


I had thought so...

[march27]

The local Newspaper Weigh's in on the Cadaver Dog Search.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/27/news/news01.txt


So they have released the home?

[CANDYKISSES]

that wouldn't surprise me, it was only a few months old relationship and i can think of seemingly steady 10 year old marriages that would be on the rocks over this let alone a 5 month b/f g/f one.

Yes, and likely by now if LE is close to the end of their rope, THEY have probably used whatever means to divide them as well. JMO :sneaky:

Remember LE has been feeling the heat over that relationship from strangers off the street calling in to report a crime.....:rolleyes:

[CANDYKISSES]

I believe that particular Sgt. to be grossly misinformed.

IF only you could get in there and run that investigation....:blushing:4u.

JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Okay, huge red flag to me. Last night when they were talking to Crystal and the reporter told her that the dogs had hit on the dumpster, she had NO reaction. How do you have NO reaction what-so-ever.... that would horrify me. And her response was 'oh I hadn't heard that but I'm sure they'll fill me in!' That's it???? No way... and who the HELL makes a doctors appt in the middle of a full blown search for their daughter????


Maybe the appointment was set months ago. We don't know. Maybe she has been under medical supervision from the start of the investigation.

Speaking of reactions, what was Ron's?

[CANDYKISSES]

From the article.
"Schauland said the cadaver dogs will alert to the scent of humans, as well as "any human matter such as a bandage with blood on it, or personal hygiene items."

Hey Willow, while this may sound yucky and unpolitically correct, I might believe that to include women's monthly discards and/or pads used after giving birth too. IMO they both could include decomposing tissue. I can imagine they could give off conflicting scent as well.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh boy, I missed that when I posted the link. I wonder if Ron will pack up and move back to his home.

Who is taking care of the little boy right now?

[tammym]

I wonder if Ronald and Misty stayed in their home last night :(. I feel so sorry for Ronald.
Good question, I kinda think no, I had heard Ron went back in the house with someone from LE for about 45 min. yesterday and had wondered why, maybe to prepare him?

IMO Ron will go back in to feel close to Haleigh, but it's going to be hard, that's for sure.

[CC I See]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3.... When Haleigh went missing, they used tracking dogs to locate a possible trail for Haleigh.... unless I am mistaken, these dogs do not alert on anything but scent from the person they are asked to track. They would not have hit on this dumpster at that time if it contained decomp.

My mind screamed at me when I read that Misty stated that she took out the trash that night... and I thought that surely they would check all the way through dumpsters in the area.

Most dumpsters with trash like this needs to be emptied every week... two weeks at the most. She has been missing three weeks. I can not express how much of a blunder this was to have scanned over this and not checked it thoroughly.

Going back to a case in San Antonio. TX about 15 years ago, although I do not recall all of the details and I don't think it matters but what I do remember is that when the child went missing an extensive search was done. Finally the step-father broke down and confessed that he killed his daughter in a rage and wrapped her body in an old rug and then put her in the dumpster in his apartment complex just feet away from the apartment building where they lived. Her body was never recovered.

Dumpsters should be the first place to search when anyone goes missing and certainly not emptied until they are.

[Mimi428]

From the article.
"Schauland said the cadaver dogs will alert to the scent of humans, as well as "any human matter such as a bandage with blood on it, or personal hygiene items."

I'm sure Capt. Schauland has his hands more than full with all the things going on in this case.

I believe it is certainly possible that a dog trained to sniff out putrescine & cadaverine could alert on items such as a bloody bandage or used personal hygiene products - in error. I am sorry that Capt. Schauland was not able to clarify what they CAN alert on, vs what they are trained to alert on.

We KNOW they are not trained to alert on such items. Any dog that typically & routinely would alert on a bloody bandage or used sanitary napkin would be worse than useless - because you would never be able to walk them past the first high school, junior high school, office building, apt complex, service station, restaurant or ANY PLACE that has a public bathroom! I don't want to be gross, but just try to imagine what a dumpster at a high school with say 400 female students, plus female faculty would contain on any given day...

There is a difference between decomposition & putrefaction. When a human dies, the process of putrefaction is generated by all the bacteria that we contain in our 'insides' - our guts. The abdomen swells in this process. Gases are produced. It is during THIS process that putrescine & cadaverine molecules become more prevalent.

Does spilled blood break down? Of course it does. But spilled blood from a cut on a living person is not going to contain all the many molecules of putrescine & cadaverine that are generated when the gut bacteria starts working to putrefy a dead body.

Somebody else, I'm sure, can explain this better than I can. But the bottom line is that a dog MAY alert in error on a bloody bandage - but it IS an error. The dog certainly has not been trained to alert on things like that - they are trained to smell out putrescine & cadaverine. Substances produced by putrefaction of humans.

JMO

[WhiteShark]

I don't think these people have the money to get a lawyer.

I would almost put money on it that attorneys have begged to represent this family/people who so far have come across as loving and seemingly not targets of LE and so unlike the casey anthonys/drew petersons of the world. I honestly believe, as I have said before on this board, Ron and the others come from the part of the population who believes if they have done nothing wrong they don't need a lawyer. I am not saying I agree with this way of thinking, but I believe it to be fact.
I asked DH about this as he is my "good ol' Southern country boy". He said if her were in Ron's place and knew in his heart he had done nothing wrong, and had no knowledge of anyone else close to him having done anything wrong, he wouldn't get a lawyer either. I would get one, if to do nothing else but handle the press, media etc.
This case could really get great publicity for an attorney or PR person.

[Speedy30]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too.





This is not what others confirmed on pages 7 and 8 and 9 of the previous last nights thread. Others said the opposite---that cadaver dogs are searching for putrifice and something else given off after death. THat menstrual blood and other blood does not give off death signs--that the dogs search for death decomposition, not decomp of materials. Cadaver dogs should not hit on ordinary blood/bandages/feminine products.

No, they are trained to hot on just human decomp and there is no other smell like it, not even animal, so if a dog is hitting on dead animals, it has not been trained properly.

jmo

[Speedy30]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
Yes, they could/would. Blood on a bandage or wound dressing decomposes too.





This is not what others confirmed on pages 7 and 8 and 9 of the previous last nights thread. Others said the opposite---that cadaver dogs are searching for putrifice and something else given off after death. THat menstrual blood and other blood does not give off death signs--that the dogs search for death decomposition, not decomp of materials. Cadaver dogs should not hit on ordinary blood/bandages/feminine products.

They are trained to hit on just human decomp and there is no other smell like it, not even animal, so if a dog is hitting on dead animals, it has not been trained properly.

jmo

[kitty1182]

Too much time is passing.....I pray she is alive and well, but if she's not, she needs to be found, soon...:sad:

[CC I See]

I'm sure Capt. Schauland has his hands more than full with all the things going on in this case.

I believe it is certainly possible that a dog trained to sniff out putrescine & cadaverine could alert on items such as a bloody bandage or used personal hygiene products - in error. I am sorry that Capt. Schauland was not able to clarify what they CAN alert on, vs what they are trained to alert on.

We KNOW they are not trained to alert on such items. Any dog that typically & routinely would alert on a bloody bandage or used sanitary napkin would be worse than useless - because you would never be able to walk them past the first high school, junior high school, office building, apt complex, service station, restaurant or ANY PLACE that has a public bathroom! I don't want to be gross, but just try to imagine what a dumpster at a high school with say 400 female students, plus female faculty would contain on any given day...

There is a difference between decomposition & putrefaction. When a human dies, the process of putrefaction is generated by all the bacteria that we contain in our 'insides' - our guts. The abdomen swells in this process. Gases are produced. It is during THIS process that putrescine & cadaverine molecules become more prevalent.

Does spilled blood break down? Of course it does. But spilled blood from a cut on a living person is not going to contain all the many molecules of putrescine & cadaverine that are generated when the gut bacteria starts working to putrefy a dead body.

Somebody else, I'm sure, can explain this better than I can. But the bottom line is that a dog MAY alert in error on a bloody bandage - but it IS an error. The dog certainly has not been trained to alert on things like that - they are trained to smell out putrescine & cadaverine. Substances produced by putrefaction of humans.

JMO.... bolding mine.

If this was true then cadaver dogs would hit on every dumpster they were taken to since these items would be inside each one of them. I think that the man should keep his mouth shut until he knows what he is saying.....

[beachpatty]

Oh boy, I missed that when I posted the link. I wonder if Ron will pack up and move back to his home.

I believe I read (somewhere - no link) that Ron's Mom had stated that he would never live in that house again.

Beachpatty
MOO

[Kelly3820]

.... bolding mine.

If this was true then cadaver dogs would hit on every dumpster they were taken to since these items would be inside each one of them. I think that the man should keep his mouth shut until he knows what he is saying.....



I also think that perhaps people misspeak and dogs that show interest in something does not mean a hit. A HIT is big the dog is saying to his handler there it is we found it but a dogthat shows interest means just that the dog wants to check it out more. So if it is true that all three dogs HIT on the dumpster there was at one time a dead body there. But if all three dogs showed interest they wanted to check it out more. I would like to hear from the 3 handlers cause they know their dogs very well.

[WhiteShark]

Yes, Gator they did. IIRC they tracked to the RR tracks and then circled. I was of the mind that, Haleigh that afternoon while playing with her cousins may have wandered down there to the water's edge.

If the dumpster didn't reveal anything yesterday, it will be interesting to where they take the dogs today.

All these recent activities tells me they have some information that makes these searches worthwhile.

Hopeful

moo

Great thoughts. It hadn't really occured to me "when" the tracks could have been left, nor the fact the dogs could have been chasing a scent left before she went missing. I know it's logical, but the thought hadn't really rang a bell yet!:laugh: Dumb me............thx:laugh:

[sickntired]

Please rememhber that parents of missing children often get a divorce. One blames the other and at time one blames themself. For many reasons breakup happens.

This is the norm - nothing new here - if this is indeed true.

We have seen many untrue reports.............I do not believe that it is on purpose/just hasty reporting. At least this is what I am hoping!


Let's also remember this relationship was probably based on sex, possibly drugs and the need for a babysitter. None of that is happening right now with all of the media attention/living in a tent. Things were bound to crumble.

[Tia]

I believe I read (somewhere - no link) that Ron's Mom had stated that he would never live in that house again.

Beachpatty
MOO


I think it was on NG one night last week.

Just catching up. I'm relieved they didn't find anything in the dumpster, hopefully Haleigh is still alive.

[CC I See]

I also think that perhaps people misspeak and dogs that show interest in something does not mean a hit. A HIT is big the dog is saying to his handler there it is we found it but a dogthat shows interest means just that the dog wants to check it out more. So if it is true that all three dogs HIT on the dumpster there was at one time a dead body there. But if all three dogs showed interest they wanted to check it out more. I would like to hear from the 3 handlers cause they know their dogs very well..... according to the news media, they said that the dogs "hit" on the dumpster and that is why they searched it. Dog trainers and handlers know how to teach the difference and dogs know the difference.... otherwise they would be useless in a search. I have worked in searches with dogs they are only as good as their training.... but when they are well trained, they do their job well. They need to have the dogs check each and every item in that dumpster because it could mean a rug or blanket or other item in it has decomp on it.

[Mimi428]

.... bolding mine.

If this was true then cadaver dogs would hit on every dumpster they were taken to since these items would be inside each one of them. I think that the man should keep his mouth shut until he knows what he is saying.....

Exactly. If the people speaking would make a point to tell the audience that hitting on bloody bandages & used sanitary products is AN ERROR & NOT what the dogs have been trained for, I think a lot of confusion could be cleared up.

Dogs that can't get past bandages & used hygiene products w/o alerting would not make it past the first dumpster of any place with a public restroom. They wouldn't make it past a living female during menstruation, either. Those are ERRORS.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

A *recipe* up to the night of Haleigh's disappearance.

A Perfect Storm, if you will. On the third week of Ron working the night shift, on an evening when Misty was so exhausted she was in a deep sleep, and one lucky pedo was able to get into that bedroom and snatch Haleigh without arousing Misty. Yup, it works for me, NOT!!

moo

Add to that the escalating process of collecting a tidy sum of money that Crystal failed to pay in back child support, her fiance/SB just being released from a child related allegation in November and there are many motives for a missing Haleigh IMO.

It certainly doesn't lead me to see a cleared Crystal Camp either. :sad:

[TxLady2]

I'm only going on what my b-i-l tells me. The dogs don't pick up on menstrual blood but they do pick up on blood which is decomposing. Something, I forget the name my b-i-l told me that is found in menstrual blood is not in blood from a wound. He said all the cadaver dogs he trains pick up on decomposing blood and has had 2 instances where his dog picked up blood which was not found by CSIs and that although the bodies were never located, the perps in both cases were found guilty of murder with no bodies. Maybe in America, cadaver dogs only find bodies and nothing else. That then leads me to wonder why in many searches, the dogs in fact alert on animal decomp.

ETA: On the last page of the last thread, Pag Boi quoted from someone connected to Haleigh's case that the dogs could in fact be picking up on blood on a bandage or bandaid.


There are probably some cadaver dogs which might detect animal decomposition, and some which might hit on blood or other bodily fluids. But from what I recall, these were human decomposition detection dogs, and are trained only to detect the odors of human decomposition, which are emitted by the gases, cadaverine and putrescine. These gases take time to build up in a dead body, and are not detectable immediately after death. Apparently, there are cadaver dogs and then there are specially trained human decomp detection dogs, big difference, I guess. Most people don't realize that there are so many types of tracking dogs with different types of training required. Tracking or Search and Rescue dogs will only follow a live scent, and some can find a body that has very recently died, because a dead body will also give off a live scent for a short period of time, probably 12 hours or less. All this I remember from reading the handlers' testimony in the SP case, and this was very interesting to me at the time. I tend to recall things better if they are of special interest.

[WhiteShark]

Getting DNA samples from family like they knew they'd find something that needed DNA testing.

you know Msgator, I was kinda shocked they didn't have Mom's DNA already, weren't you?

[CANDYKISSES]

I believe I read (somewhere - no link) that Ron's Mom had stated that he would never live in that house again.

Beachpatty
MOO

Oh I must have missed that Patty. Any idea how that came about? I mean what was going on at the time?

Also, has there actually been a confirmation of Ron and Misty staying in different quarters now? I saw a reference to Teresa Neves responding, but have seen nothing about Misty returning home or to another residence. JMO

[Peaches]

Oh I must have missed that Patty. Any idea how that came about? I mean what was going on at the time?

Also, has there actually been a confirmation of Ron and Misty staying in different quarters now? I saw a reference to Teresa Neves responding, but have seen nothing about Misty returning home or to another residence. JMO


It is hard for some to live in a house where a loved one died.............in this case went missing.

Many of my family members have this problem...............

[CANDYKISSES]

you know Msgator, I was kinda shocked they didn't have Mom's DNA already, weren't you?

Whiteshark, not gator, but often when a man and woman are disputing custody and are in agreement on paternity, if the male steps up and says no contest and there isn't an opposing male there, the court simply records it as such. Ron said there were no issues regarding paternity in the December hearing transcript IIRC.

I think we are slowly getting away from that, but I've seen it done in my state as of a year ago. JMO

[Peaches]

Whiteshark, not gator, but often when a man and woman are disputing custody and are in agreement on paternity, if the male steps up and says no contest and there isn't an opposing male there, the court simply records it as such. Ron said there were no issues regarding paternity in the December hearing transcript IIRC.

I think we are slowly getting away from that, but I've seen it done in my state as of a year ago. JMO



I thought Ron had a DNA test done so he knows that he is the father of both these children.

[TxLady2]

I believe that particular Sgt. to be grossly misinformed.


I agree!! I wish people would stop saying this, because it is simply not true!

[CANDYKISSES]

It is hard for some to live in a house where a loved one died.............in this case went missing.

Many of my family members have this problem...............

I understand that Peaches. I'm curious as to what the conversation preceding the comment was about? As you know IF RON goes back there, and he is on the record as making that comment, it will incite further allegations against him from some people IMOO. :unsure:

[Peaches]

I understand that Peaches. I'm curious as to what the conversation preceding the comment was about? As you know IF RON goes back there, and he is on the record as making that comment, it will incite further allegations against him from some people IMOO. :unsure:


Sometimes we make statements in the beginning that are true at the time but we later change our thoughts.

But, you are certainly correct that many will find anything and everything in order to say ugly things about HaLeigh and Butter Bean's dad.

I do hope that they find HaLeigh safe!

Off I go to pickup little ones...........then take them to pizza for lunch. Note: they like the games better than pizza - most grammies and mommies know this but we still take them! :wink:

[CC I See]

I agree!! I wish people would stop saying this, because it is simply not true!

..... well how about gross mishandling in this case? To not search every single dumpster in the area right after Haleigh went missing is a huge blunder that should not have happened. To only now be searching with cadaver dogs this many days after she went missing is inexcusable. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

[Elle]

Still not sure how they cleared the dumpster so quickly. 3 Dogs hit on it, not just one which could be explained away as a false hit, but 3. I have not read anything about LE using luminol/black light last night. Does anyone know if they did?
While I can understand they may not have found items visibly connected to Haleigh, how can they rule them out w/o further testing? So maybe there was no blood or visible fluid, or maybe items of hers were not there, but those dogs hit on something, and most likely it was something invisible to the naked eye.

above is moo, I just think there is more to it, or that further testing should have been done if the dumpster truly was cleared.

[KKKKKKatie]

The way Ron and his mother have treated the media, I surprised anyone is still there.


What about the way Geraldo treated Ron??? After that interview I wouldn't talk to any of them either IMO

[tammym]

I understand that Peaches. I'm curious as to what the conversation preceding the comment was about? As you know IF RON goes back there, and he is on the record as making that comment, it will incite further allegations against him from some people IMOO. :unsure:
IIRC NG or someone was asking Ron's Mother about Ron the house still being taped off (this was early on btw) it was his Mother who said she didn't know if he could or would want to go back in there anyway.

I can't say if Ron will sleep there but imo he isn't going to far from there until Haleigh is found.

[WhiteShark]

I found it interesting that an insider wouldn't know Crystal missed the hearing for custody so how did the judge just take his side? If she was a no show she sure wasn't fighting for custody. Also I guess it must be ok not to pay your child support if you have another child and you want to stay home :mad:

I don't have the pdf link handy right now, JD but in the child support and custody ruling, one of the very first lines said Crystal NOT presernt. Later she obtained a lawyer and tried to appeal the judges ruling. It was in this appeal where she claimed to have bought a house over Christmas. She also made all sorts of accusations against Ron, including accusing him of being high on coke when he wrecked his car without mentioning the fact Ron had proven he was not high by way of a negative drug test.
I don't have very good feeling towards her, don't know why, but she makes my hinky meter go off. Her comments about all the "BS" being said about her yesterday just added to her "hinkiness" to me. I saw where she had a record, although she wasn't convicted of making a false police report--which shows she isn't afraid of lying to police. I don't know, just venting I guess.

[Elle]

The way Ron and his mother have treated the media, I surprised anyone is still there.

I don't see it that way at all.

[WhiteShark]

IIRC the guy from the funeral home was announcing that a fund had been set up thru a local bank (BOA) for donations. O/T If it was BOA, it think I would be worried. According to news reports they are in financial trouble. JMO

But any deposits up to 250K would be insured by FDIC wouldn't it?

[IlliniFan]

I don't know, I think Ron's Mom is a pretty nice lady, that doesn't seem to go on air to trash anyone. She loves Haleigh and you can see from her interviews how much she is hurting.....

Crystal's mom just rubs me the wrong way.

I know many will disagree, but that's just me. I like Theresa..

[lindasbaitsh]

I was reading this link and I cannot remember the poster who said it on the first page, but they said Haleigh had been missing for 10 weeks and not the 10 days or whatever it has been. Did anybody else read that or am I imagining that. What the heck are they talking about? I sure hope this person got this wrong because I would have to think this is a copy cat of the Caylee case if it is true. I hope someone can help me out here.

jmoo

Perhaps you are referring to Haleigh's mom lamenting that she hadn't seen her daughter in four weeks. Possibly including the week(s) since visitation.

[Speedy30]

A measley sum of 4K isn't exactly a King's Ransom. I doubt this was a motive to snatch Haleigh.

I'm still leaning on rage taking over someone's control, in a heartbeat second.

moo

Exactly.

I am leaning toward that way to, why would Crystal take one kid and not the other, she would still have to pay support for the other, so I cant even see that being logical motive.

jmo

[breeze53]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&provider=top



Thank you for this link i got off awhile ago and just seen it.:laugh:

[IlliniFan]

I would think TN is more concerned about Haleigh at this point, than keeping up on the status of the relationship of Ron/Misty.

That's what's important...imo

[breeze53]

I guess she changed her mind. Yesterday she said they still were an item.

moo



I think i remeber her saying something like yes there still together, they have alot to work threw but there still together. I hope i didnt dream this:w00t:

[playnice]

I don't know, I think Ron's Mom is a pretty nice lady, that doesn't seem to go on air to trash anyone. She loves Haleigh and you can see from her interviews how much she is hurting.....

Crystal's mom just rubs me the wrong way.

I know many will disagree, but that's just me. I like Theresa..

I dont disagree with you. I feel the same way.
She comes off so cold you could freeze ice on her arzz.

[PBJMOM4]

I guess she changed her mind. Yesterday she said they still were an item.

moo

I thought that video was from yesterday because near the bottom of local 6 icon on bottom right {showing temperature} it says 4:02.

[TxLady2]

..... well how about gross mishandling in this case? To not search every single dumpster in the area right after Haleigh went missing is a huge blunder that should not have happened. To only now be searching with cadaver dogs this many days after she went missing is inexcusable. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Of course! But it is MO that LE does not normally search for dead bodies within hours of a child going missing, especially since there were no signs of a murder taking place in or around the house. Had there been blood or other evidence pointing to a murder, then they would have arrested both Ron and Misty that night, probably, and started looking for a dead body. Since they did not, I assume their priority was to look for an alive child, and most children do not hide in dumpsters.

[SwineFeld]

I too think it's strange that they checked that huge dumpster in such a short period of time. And since not one, but several dogs hit on it, they should have went through each and every bag and each and every item inside. I personally think they just removed the large pieces and only looked for a body. And IF that is the case, that is sad IMO. Because, IMO, every single bag inside should have been opened and it's conents searched. Not only for a body but for other possible evidence. ESPECIALLY since the dogs did hit on "something."

Still not sure how they cleared the dumpster so quickly. 3 Dogs hit on it, not just one which could be explained away as a false hit, but 3. I have not read anything about LE using luminol/black light last night. Does anyone know if they did?
While I can understand they may not have found items visibly connected to Haleigh, how can they rule them out w/o further testing? So maybe there was no blood or visible fluid, or maybe items of hers were not there, but those dogs hit on something, and most likely it was something invisible to the naked eye.

above is moo, I just think there is more to it, or that further testing should have been done if the dumpster truly was cleared.

[TxLady2]

Perhaps you are referring to Haleigh's mom lamenting that she hadn't seen her daughter in four weeks. Possibly including the week(s) since visitation.

I recall her saying that she had not seen her for about 2 weeks, since the weekend of her last visitation. I don't recall it being 4 weeks. If she gets them every 2 weeks, then it would have been only a little over a week, at the time of Haleigh's disappearance, unless she skipped a week for some reason. Haleigh was taken on a Mon. night/early Tues. morning.

[WhiteShark]

It seems to me that this poster - thinks that HaLeigh and Butter Bean do not need care/shelter/food/clothes since she defends Crystal for not helping with their support.

Mothers as well as fathers should help care for their children.

I am happy to see that courts are now demanding this!

Crystal gave birth to these children; why does she not think that she owes them anything? I say that every parent who does not help care for their child is a deadbeat and deserves whatever the courts throw their way.

moo
I think the poster was being sarcastic, I hope!
I would have a little more sympathy re: Crystal's being unable to pay the child support IF she had follow the rules. She could have gone to court, even without an attorney, with documentation she was out of work not by choice but for medical/disability reasons.
I don't know if FL recognizes disability re: child support, but it could have made a big difference.
As it is if Haleigh had not gone missing, Crystal actions or lack of action, made it a possiblity her children would have a mother who had no DL or is in jail! :angry:

[sammy]

Still not sure how they cleared the dumpster so quickly. 3 Dogs hit on it, not just one which could be explained away as a false hit, but 3. I have not read anything about LE using luminol/black light last night. Does anyone know if they did?
While I can understand they may not have found items visibly connected to Haleigh, how can they rule them out w/o further testing? So maybe there was no blood or visible fluid, or maybe items of hers were not there, but those dogs hit on something, and most likely it was something invisible to the naked eye.

above is moo, I just think there is more to it, or that further testing should have been done if the dumpster truly was cleared.


ITA Elle.
This has been bothering me since last night when HLN was showing video of LE going thru the dumpster.
The way they were just standing in the dumpster + tossing black garbage bags and other debris over the side of the dumpster really bothers me.
There may not have been a decomposing body in the dumpster ... but there may be other key evidence there that would not be seen by the naked eye.
Perhaps a small piece of carpet or fiber or tree limb that may have touched a decomposing body that would have caused these THREE trained canines to alert the way they did.

I am usually very, very pro LE. But I am starting to have some doubts about this small town dept.
Are the FBI still involved ? Not just as a "we'll contact them if we need them" kind of thing ... but are the FBI actively involved in this case I wonder ?
From what I have read/heard in the media ... LE seems to have been way to quick to rule-out this dumpster having anything to do with this case. To come out just hours later and say there is nothing here ... just doesn't seem right.

I sincerely hope LE is continuing to do further testing on the materials that are in that dumpster.
Looking with all the forensic tools that are available for possible clues in this case.

[Armchairdet]

Thank you for this link i got off awhile ago and just seen it.:laugh:

I just watched it too. Honestly I don't know if I would sweat what people said about me. I mean, people are going to think what they want to think no matter what you say. Even people bellyaching about any of them are still keeping Haliegh in the news. I would be on a pogo stick with nothing on but flip flops and a funny hat if it kept my childs face in the news.

IMO

[WhiteShark]

If they have cooled their relationship, does that mean that RC is not afraid that she would implicate him in the disappearance? JMO

Perhaps there is nothing sinister in them breaking up more than her being 17 and having been responsiblity for Haleigh when she went missing........her feelings of guilty would be overwheming. It would be hard enough for an adult, but even worse for a teenager.

[kitty1182]

Anyone else notice "a community garage sale" ... advertised on Graig's list .... was held a day or so before Haleigh went missing in the MHP?

That's creepy to me.

Wow, didn't know about that......

[breeze53]

I just watched it too. Honestly I don't know if I would sweat what people said about me. I mean, people are going to think what they want to think no matter what you say. Even people bellyaching about any of them are still keeping Haliegh in the news. I would be on a pogo stick with nothing on but flip flops and a funny hat if it kept my childs face in the news.

IMO


Me to and i wouldnt be sitting in a tent I would be out looking!

[breeze53]

Anyone else notice "a community garage sale" ... advertised on Graig's list .... was held a day or so before Haleigh went missing in the MHP?

That's creepy to me.


I really dont find that odd people do that all the time.

[CC I See]

Of course! But it is MO that LE does not normally search for dead bodies within hours of a child going missing, especially since there were no signs of a murder taking place in or around the house. Had there been blood or other evidence pointing to a murder, then they would have arrested both Ron and Misty that night, probably, and started looking for a dead body. Since they did not, I assume their priority was to look for an alive child, and most children do not hide in dumpsters..... and therefore their blunder. They should have known by studying other abductions that in most cases children are killed within the first few hours after they are taken. No dumpster should have left that area without being checked all the way to the bottom with cadaver dogs.

[WhiteShark]

Okay, huge red flag to me. Last night when they were talking to Crystal and the reporter told her that the dogs had hit on the dumpster, she had NO reaction. How do you have NO reaction what-so-ever.... that would horrify me. And her response was 'oh I hadn't heard that but I'm sure they'll fill me in!' That's it???? No way... and who the HELL makes a doctors appt in the middle of a full blown search for their daughter????

you and I are thinking alike. That was exactly what I thought when I saw that tapes, minutes after she made the comments. Hinky, I hate to some out about a family member/victim that way.......but her reaction was odd to me as well.
I can understand the md appointment, what with a baby and all. But I don't understand not making some arrangement so I could give the DNA first and foremost, even if I had to drive to the police officer.
What actually gets me more than that, is that LE had not taken a sample for Crystal's DNA at the very start of this nightmare.:scared: It was reported last night by TJ Hart (I think), that LE were investigating all the people who had been around Haleigh for the 30 days before she went missing. He also said all people were cooperating as well. This is why I shocked LE did not have Crystal's DNA on hand, heck by all rights they should already have the results by now.

[kitty1182]

It is in the link (in this forum to a newspaper blog) posted up thread.

The one where supposed "family members" or "persons known" to the family are/were commenting about the case.

From specials I've seen recently Graig's List is full of SO's. IMHO as I have no link to the programing..

Thanks!!!!!

[WhiteShark]

.... bolding mine.

If this was true then cadaver dogs would hit on every dumpster they were taken to since these items would be inside each one of them. I think that the man should keep his mouth shut until he knows what he is saying.....

Cadaver dogs couldn't/wouldn't hit on used menstrual products because that kind of trash would only be coming from a living woman, not a dead woman...same with bloody bandages, dead people don't bleed.




sorry for being graphic.

[caphill]

I guess she changed her mind. Yesterday she said they still were an item.

moo


I saw her interview when she said Ron and Misty were still together. Do you think it is just possible the reporter was in error? There have make many inaccurate and conflicting reports in this case.

I have seen many times when the media was inconsistent and the families were accused of lying.

[WhiteShark]

Whiteshark, not gator, but often when a man and woman are disputing custody and are in agreement on paternity, if the male steps up and says no contest and there isn't an opposing male there, the court simply records it as such. Ron said there were no issues regarding paternity in the December hearing transcript IIRC.

I think we are slowly getting away from that, but I've seen it done in my state as of a year ago. JMO

Right, I know what you mean regarding paternity issues Candy, but I meant I was shocked the DNA hadn't been obtained as part of Haleigh's investigation. Know what I mean, friend?

[CANDYKISSES]

Anyone else notice "a community garage sale" ... advertised on Graig's list .... was held a day or so before Haleigh went missing in the MHP?

That's creepy to me.

Since it says "community garage sale", are you saying the creep factor is that possibly someone could have spotted a target that day and Haleigh was it Kathy? :sad:

[CC I See]

I liked Mark Klass's description of what/who Misty is in this saga.

*Ground Zero*.
With as many times as she has been hauled in for questioning, I think LE feels the same.

moo....I agree. When Misty took out the trash that night just where did she toss it? Can it ever be retrieved after all of this time.

[CANDYKISSES]

Right, I know what you mean regarding paternity issues Candy, but I meant I was shocked the DNA hadn't been obtained as part of Haleigh's investigation. Know what I mean, friend?

Oh, my bad WS. I think the idea of finding the child alive is foremost in their mind from the start...at least I hope that is the mindset. Just thinking here, but I would guess DNA requests would come after finding a child and/or EVIDENCE that suggests a finding of something.

Again, JMO.:smile: It's pretty costly in these days of budget constraints and I'm guessing LE has to get an ORDER/WARRANT to do these things and keep the chain of custody together.

[kitty1182]

I hope they find little Haleigh. When I went to bed last night, they were searching a dumpster. I wanted to find out what they found this morning and I came across this site.

I have no suspicion over the father but I do over his girlfriend. But also Haleigh could of been taken from the home like in so many other cases. It's just so sad.

Hello and Welcome!! :smile:

[breeze53]

....I agree. When Misty took out the trash that night just where did she toss it? Can it ever be retrieved after all of this time.



I still want to know about this dern blanket and van.
Why did she even mention this blanket it has something to do with Haleigh i have a feeling. I wish they could find the blanket.

[WhiteShark]

Anyone else notice "a community garage sale" ... advertised on Graig's list .... was held a day or so before Haleigh went missing in the MHP?

That's creepy to me.

I had not heard about that. I hope LE is investigating that as best they can. Thay could be a nightmare trying to sort out people known from strangers who could have been there.:scared::scared:

[caphill]

How could it be a reporter error? I saw Theresa's lips speak the words?

moo

You misunderstood my comments. I heard Ron's mother say the Ron and Misty were still together yesterday. The reporter answered a question as to whether they were together and he reported that they were not. There was not a taped interview that was shown to support his answer. Maybe he had erroneous info.

It appears that many times people will take the words of a reporter and argue them as fact.

[kitty1182]

I still want to know about this dern blanket and van.
Why did she even mention this blanket it has something to do with Haleigh i have a feeling. I wish they could find the blanket.

I want to know about Misty's blanket too!!!!

[WhiteShark]

Maybe he has found a new, younger girlfriend.

I doubt younger, with all the "eyes" he has on him now. If he wasn't aware of how his relationships "looked" to the outside world before this happened, I would bet he does now.:wink:

[breeze53]

Yes ma'am. :crying:


Man i cant even think someone would be that low but your right it would have been some place they could have been spotting out children.:sad:

[WhiteShark]

Me to and i wouldnt be sitting in a tent I would be out looking!

From reports, he has been searching sometimes against LE advice. I am sure some people would hold that against him as well.

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes ma'am. :crying:


Oh dear, can you imagine? I hope and pray not. I keep holding out for a live Haleigh even tho I know it's not in the odds time wise. :crying:

[breeze53]

I want to know about Misty's blanket too!!!!


Did anyone ever figure out if her brother drove a van? Wish there was a way of finding out.

[Armchairdet]

Man i cant even think someone would be that low but your right it would have been some place they could have been spotting out children.:sad:

Well I am sure anyone capable of taking a child from it's family is capable of 'choosing' it's (yes it's) victim any way it can.

[IlliniFan]

I'm not so sure Misty did anything to Haleigh, directly. I think it's very possible she left the trailer, and some perv that had been watching the home took her?

She may have done this many times before with no problems, so she felt comfortable leaving them. (even though it would be a completely stupid thing to do).

Like someone esle mentioned, she might have already have fessed up to leaving. LE doesn't like telling us much, so not likely we would know.

I don't think Misty would last this long under interrogation without cracking.

probably wrong, but it's just what I'm thinking at this point..

[kitty1182]

Did anyone ever figure out if her brother drove a van? Wish there was a way of finding out.

Heck, I can't even find out who owned the van...lol

[becca]

Okay, huge red flag to me. Last night when they were talking to Crystal and the reporter told her that the dogs had hit on the dumpster, she had NO reaction. How do you have NO reaction what-so-ever.... that would horrify me. And her response was 'oh I hadn't heard that but I'm sure they'll fill me in!' That's it???? No way... and who the HELL makes a doctors appt in the middle of a full blown search for their daughter????

I also noticed that. If that had of been me I would have been on the ground.She is so always so calm, cool and collected. No reaction what so ever.Big red flag. As if she wasn't concerned at all.Maybe because she knows exactly where she is, safe and sound.And her mom seems to be the same too.

[Armchairdet]

I also noticed that. If that had of been me I would have been on the ground.She is so always so calm, cool and collected. No reaction what so ever.Big red flag. As if she wasn't concerned at all.Maybe because she knows exactly where she is, safe and sound.And her mom seems to be the same too.

Maybe Crystal is medicated? Maybe that is why she went to the Dr. To get something, in case the news was bad so she could cope. IMO

[WhiteShark]

I saw her interview when she said Ron and Misty were still together. Do you think it is just possible the reporter was in error? There have make many inaccurate and conflicting reports in this case.
I have seen many times when the media was inconsistent and the families were accused of lying.
Right caphill. Initially there were multiple errors reported by the media first days of this nightmare. I remember one media source reporting Haleigh was a boy. Remember the "cousin" part of this the first day or two? I have always thought the "cousin" reports from the first couple of days (not the later stuff about Misty's cousin) being there was because some reporter or radio operator mistook "Croslin" for cousin.........so many errors all along in this case.

[Rick777]

I also noticed that. If that had of been me I would have been on the ground.She is so always so calm, cool and collected. No reaction what so ever.Big red flag. As if she wasn't concerned at all.Maybe because she knows exactly where she is, safe and sound.And her mom seems to be the same too.


I'm thinking Crystal is medicated. This has to be horrid for all involved.

[becca]

Maybe Crystal is medicated? Maybe that is why she went to the Dr. To get something, in case the news was bad so she could cope. IMO

Well I'm sure you could be right on. It just seems she is always so disconnected. I do pray that no one in this family had anything to do with this. I always will pray for the greatest of news that this little angel is found safe and brought home very soon.

[CC I See]

I want to know about Misty's blanket too!!!!.... I wonder if there is a blanket in the contents of the dumpter they searched yesterday.

[kitty1182]

.... I wonder if there is a blanket in the contents of the dumpter they searched yesterday.

Good question.I just wished they had checked it out eariler in case it's a different dumpster now:sad:

[kitty1182]

Yes, his wife has a van. She posted a photo of it on her myspace.

Latest News on the Search

http://www.wftv.com/video/18811050/index.html

Thanks!!............

[becca]

I'm thinking Crystal is medicated. This has to be horrid for all involved.

Oh I know how it is,we lost my nephew 3 years ago. And you are so right it is a living nightmare. The not knowing what happened and when he would be found.Having your phone with you at all times,and it will change your life forever.
I hope you all will forgive me I am not a fast typer.

[kitty1182]

Oh I know how it is,we lost my nephew 3 years ago. And you are so right it is a living nightmare. The not knowing what happened and when he would be found.Having your phone with you at all times,and it will change your life forever.
I hope you all will forgive me I am not a fast typer.

Hi and Welcome.....I don't type fast either..:smile:
Sorry about your nephew...

[Rick777]

Oh I know how it is,we lost my nephew 3 years ago. And you are so right it is a living nightmare. The not knowing what happened and when he would be found.Having your phone with you at all times,and it will change your life forever.
I hope you all will forgive me I am not a fast typer.

Sorry to hear that Becca. How did that situation turn out???

[becca]

Hi and Welcome.....I don't type fast either..:smile:
Sorry about your nephew...

Thankyou so much kitty, I have been coming to these boards for many years and I have to say that all of the posters (mostly all) are wonderful. I was registrered here before as becca1 but my husband has been fighting the battle with cancer, so I was off the boards for a while. I am happy to say that he is so much better now.
It is a God thing ya know. He has carried us through a lot.

[becca]

Sorry to hear that Becca. How did that situation turn out???

Not so well I'm sad to say, he was located 2 mos. later face down in a creek not far from his home. His was a very handsome sweetheart only 31 years old. And we miss him so. His life cut way too short.

[Leanne Weich]

Sorry I was wrong, it was the Capt. of the Putnam Co. Sheriff's office, I really hope he isn't misinformed.

Go to any site about polygraphs, for instance, and you'll see just how good a spin they put on the results. Talk to any experienced polygraphers and they'll tell you how often the results are wrong and you'll see how misinformed one is if you rely on the literature put out there. Polygraphs are not routinely accepted in Court and nor is canine evidence. If you recall in the Scott Peterson trial, a hearing was held pertaining to the dog evidence and only evidence from one dog was allowed at trial, as I recall. Just like polygraphs, dog's hits are only as good as the examiner/handler's interpretation of the results.

[becca]

Welcome back! :rose:

Thankyou momofamarine, I have missed you all so much and I thank God every day for each day I have.
I have to run right now but I will try to check in with you guys later.
My love and prayers to all

[Motomom]

I'm thinking Crystal is medicated. This has to be horrid for all involved.

I imagine Ron may be medicated too. I know I would be.

[kitty1182]

Thankyou so much kitty, I have been coming to these boards for many years and I have to say that all of the posters (mostly all) are wonderful. I was registrered here before as becca1 but my husband has been fighting the battle with cancer, so I was off the boards for a while. I am happy to say that he is so much better now.
It is a God thing ya know. He has carried us through a lot.

So glad you are back......
God is good...:smile:

[kitty1182]

Well crap! I missed out on that one! :cursing:

I had too..........

[Rick777]

I imagine Ron may be medicated too. I know I would be.

That may explain why he looked "out of it" with Geraldo.

[Motomom]

Well I'm sure you could be right on. It just seems she is always so disconnected. I do pray that no one in this family had anything to do with this. I always will pray for the greatest of news that this little angel is found safe and brought home very soon.

I feel she is very disconnected. I chalk it up to the fact that she only sees the kids every other week. She lived so far, and it didn't sound like she even talked to them in between visits. Out of sight, out of mind. Don't get me wrong, she's their mother and I'm sure she loves them dearly..but she still seems disconnected and her mother more so. What I found weird though and it's probably just because of my unease with Crystal is her mothers myspace. The comments from Crystal in late january, every comment seemed to be I love you.. It just struck me as odd and I don't know why. I know some people are very close like that and maybe because even though I am very close to my mind, I wasn't raised to be so open about love.

[Motomom]

That may explain why he looked "out of it" with Geraldo.

That or lack of sleep, lack of eating and the stress that is involved. I thought he looked much better as the case has moved on, then the beginning. Crystal looked like crap too and always looks drugged to me.. But she was on one of the shows the other night, maybe 2/3 nights ago and she looked much better than she had too.

[Leanne Weich]

Exactly. If the people speaking would make a point to tell the audience that hitting on bloody bandages & used sanitary products is AN ERROR & NOT what the dogs have been trained for, I think a lot of confusion could be cleared up.

Dogs that can't get past bandages & used hygiene products w/o alerting would not make it past the first dumpster of any place with a public restroom. They wouldn't make it past a living female during menstruation, either. Those are ERRORS.

JMO

Dogs are not in a permanent working state. They only start tracking once given the comman so to say they "can't get past bandages & used hygiene products w/o alerting would not make it past the first dumpster of any place with a public restroom. They wouldn't make it past a living female during menstruation, either" is untrue.

[~jomomma~]

Did anyone ever figure out if her brother drove a van? Wish there was a way of finding out.

hi breeze....

on one of the myspace accounts (i think chelsea's? who i think is married to misty's bro) there are pics of chelsea and kids in a van.

[Spry]

From reports, he has been searching sometimes against LE advice. I am sure some people would hold that against him as well.

Well, we all know what happened when a father went looking for his little girl in another high-profile case (Jon Benet). I don't blame the police for advising that. jmoo

[emdragon]

Cadaver dogs couldn't/wouldn't hit on used menstrual products because that kind of trash would only be coming from a living woman, not a dead woman...same with bloody bandages, dead people don't bleed.




sorry for being graphic.

wow- guess no one bothered to check the 4 links I posted about cadaver dogs last night.

[Leanne Weich]

Well I'm sure you could be right on. It just seems she is always so disconnected. I do pray that no one in this family had anything to do with this. I always will pray for the greatest of news that this little angel is found safe and brought home very soon.

I don't think unless one is used to anti anxiety meds that you'd be emotionless when you just start taking them. When my g/daughter died, I was put on Xanax and, believe you me, although they helped tremendously in that I could put a sentence together and get some sleep, they didn't totally eliminate my emotions.

[VC2]

Gee, I saw a lot of warmth and love on Haleigh's Xmas video. That was filmed at Crystal's home. I'm sure Crystal spent many moments thinking and wondering about her children. We just don't know if she was allowed to phone them in between her visits. If you notice, Ron has never said she cancelled a visit. Which many Dad's do, once they leave the family.

Just my musings.

moo

Ron doesnt say anything bad about crystal in the media, and that has nothing to do with whether she did or not. It only says that Rons focus is haleigh and not trashing the bio mom.

imo

[Kelly3820]

.... according to the news media, they said that the dogs "hit" on the dumpster and that is why they searched it. Dog trainers and handlers know how to teach the difference and dogs know the difference.... otherwise they would be useless in a search. I have worked in searches with dogs they are only as good as their training.... but when they are well trained, they do their job well. They need to have the dogs check each and every item in that dumpster because it could mean a rug or blanket or other item in it has decomp on it.


What I meant was sometimes other LE who speak to the media and the media themselves use hit when it wasn't actually a hit. I know that the handlers and dog trainers know the difference but they are not the ones speaking to the media.

[CANDYKISSES]

Gee, I saw a lot of warmth and love on Haleigh's Xmas video. That was filmed at Crystal's home. I'm sure Crystal spent many moments thinking and wondering about her children. We just don't know if she was allowed to phone them in between her visits. If you notice, Ron has never said she cancelled a visit. Which many Dad's do, once they leave the family.

Just my musings.

moo

Yes, after all with the years preceding Chloe, all those photo ops with the two other children and just a few pics on the myspace. Yet so many are there for the child she had later.

Didn't she have something about taking care of the brats on her myspace too alongside the kind references to Chloe and Chad?

I remember Ron refraining from saying anything bad about her UNTIL she started attacking him and by then the transcripts had spoken for themselves about Crystal's priorities concerning Haleigh and Butter Bean IMO. :sad:

JMO

[Kelly3820]

I don't know, I think Ron's Mom is a pretty nice lady, that doesn't seem to go on air to trash anyone. She loves Haleigh and you can see from her interviews how much she is hurting.....

Crystal's mom just rubs me the wrong way.

I know many will disagree, but that's just me. I like Theresa..


DITTO! Theresa is a very nice lady.

[VC2]

you and I are thinking alike. That was exactly what I thought when I saw that tapes, minutes after she made the comments. Hinky, I hate to some out about a family member/victim that way.......but her reaction was odd to me as well.
I can understand the md appointment, what with a baby and all. But I don't understand not making some arrangement so I could give the DNA first and foremost, even if I had to drive to the police officer.
What actually gets me more than that, is that LE had not taken a sample for Crystal's DNA at the very start of this nightmare.:scared: It was reported last night by TJ Hart (I think), that LE were investigating all the people who had been around Haleigh for the 30 days before she went missing. He also said all people were cooperating as well. This is why I shocked LE did not have Crystal's DNA on hand, heck by all rights they should already have the results by now.

I have said for a week im not much impressed with this LE and i still hold to that. I think they have no idea how to deal with a case like this and have made lots of mistakes. Things like not polying EVERY family member immediately, getting DNA to have on hand if needed, going to the public and getting volunteers for searches rather than shutting down searches.

I don't buy it that they know so much they don't need to find her body or help doing it. in fact if anythign that no arrest has been made tells me they need more volunteers not less. I think they had some knee jerk beliefs from day 1 and now are sol bc they ignored some basic investigative practices bc of those knee jerk beliefs. So they are at square 1 again

IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Ron doesnt say anything bad about crystal in the media, and that has nothing to do with whether she did or not. It only says that Rons focus is haleigh and not trashing the bio mom.

imo


Well, Ron didn't have to say anything, the transcripts spoke for Crystal and it all came out of her mouth IMO.

That said, it seems the wild allegations about Ron would come after someone read the court records. IOW I believe it was retaliation. This time could have been better utilized by Crystal and her family IMO. :sad:

[threesnugbugs]

I'm sure Capt. Schauland has his hands more than full with all the things going on in this case.

I believe it is certainly possible that a dog trained to sniff out putrescine & cadaverine could alert on items such as a bloody bandage or used personal hygiene products - in error. I am sorry that Capt. Schauland was not able to clarify what they CAN alert on, vs what they are trained to alert on.

We KNOW they are not trained to alert on such items. Any dog that typically & routinely would alert on a bloody bandage or used sanitary napkin would be worse than useless - because you would never be able to walk them past the first high school, junior high school, office building, apt complex, service station, restaurant or ANY PLACE that has a public bathroom! I don't want to be gross, but just try to imagine what a dumpster at a high school with say 400 female students, plus female faculty would contain on any given day...

There is a difference between decomposition & putrefaction. When a human dies, the process of putrefaction is generated by all the bacteria that we contain in our 'insides' - our guts. The abdomen swells in this process. Gases are produced. It is during THIS process that putrescine & cadaverine molecules become more prevalent.

Does spilled blood break down? Of course it does. But spilled blood from a cut on a living person is not going to contain all the many molecules of putrescine & cadaverine that are generated when the gut bacteria starts working to putrefy a dead body.

Somebody else, I'm sure, can explain this better than I can. But the bottom line is that a dog MAY alert in error on a bloody bandage - but it IS an error. The dog certainly has not been trained to alert on things like that - they are trained to smell out putrescine & cadaverine. Substances produced by putrefaction of humans.

JMO

I have been trying to use the right words to explain this since last night. You did a great job.

[VC2]

Anyone else notice "a community garage sale" ... advertised on Graig's list .... was held a day or so before Haleigh went missing in the MHP?

That's creepy to me.

not so much creepy to me but a great way for an SO to see her and case out the house.

IMO

[emdragon]

I don't think unless one is used to anti anxiety meds that you'd be emotionless when you just start taking them. When my g/daughter died, I was put on Xanax and, believe you me, although they helped tremendously in that I could put a sentence together and get some sleep, they didn't totally eliminate my emotions.

Agreed- I take Xanax and they do not make me loopy or unemotional. In fact I was first put on them when I had to testify in court and if the had left me altered in anyway that wouldn't have been possible.

Now if Crystal hadn't been so emotionless from the very beginning I might say they put her on Prozac- that can make you totally emotionless but would have taken a week or more to kick in- and it wouldn't make you seem drugged.

I was just really bothered last night by the fact that she hardly reacted when she found out about the dumpster but was livid about the rumors she went MIA. Wonder if even for a minute she thought about the fact she had done 10 times worse to Ron in the past week...

[lonetraveler]

Earlier today a poster made a comment about being concerned about how LE conducted the dumpster search and inquired if the FBI were still involved. I too was very surprised and concerned last night watching LE pulling out the garbage bags and debris and then later even using heavy equipment to search the dumpster. I've never seen LE conducting searches through debris and garbage in this manner. It seems that any evidence that may have been present in that dumpster would have definitely been damaged and even destroyed. Are just the Satsuma Police involved? Can any of you shed some light on this? I'm one who supports LE but the actions last night really concern me. This search appeared to be haphazard.

[emdragon]

Yes, after all with the years preceding Chloe, all those photo ops with the two other children and just a few pics on the myspace. Yet so many are there for the child she had later.

Didn't she have something about taking care of the brats on her myspace too alongside the kind references to Chloe and Chad?

I remember Ron refraining from saying anything bad about her UNTIL she started attacking him and by then the transcripts had spoken for themselves about Crystal's priorities concerning Haleigh and Butter Bean IMO. :sad:

JMO

I agree with you. Except I do now believe when she said "brats" she was talking about Chads kids.

[Armchairdet]

What does Mrs. Neives mean by this, *if he has enough money he will have it moved*. Its still the same trailor. Changing locations doesn't change that fact.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


moo


Have the family stuff moved IMO. He will still need their things no matter where he moves. He will want to have all of Haleighs toys waiting for her when she comes home. I think it is just the mobile home he does not want to live in. He is not saying he will move it. IMO
It would not be his to decide that I don't guess anyway.

[5boxersmom]

What does Mrs. Neives mean by this, *if he has enough money he will have it moved*. Its still the same trailor. Changing locations doesn't change that fact.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


moo

I think she means he will have movers come in an box of their stuff and move it. I don't think she means move the Doublewide since he doesn't own it.

imo

[kitty1182]

What does Mrs. Neives mean by this, *if he has enough money he will have it moved*. Its still the same trailor. Changing locations doesn't change that fact.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


moo

That confused me too..I thought he was renting it.I thought others had lived there before him:confused:

[Motomom]

Gee, I saw a lot of warmth and love on Haleigh's Xmas video. That was filmed at Crystal's home. I'm sure Crystal spent many moments thinking and wondering about her children. We just don't know if she was allowed to phone them in between her visits. If you notice, Ron has never said she cancelled a visit. Which many Dad's do, once they leave the family.

Just my musings.

moo

I enjoy your musings Swar. I thought I saw Ron in that video in a striped shirt? Was he at Crystals?

[openminded]

What does Mrs. Neives mean by this, *if he has enough money he will have it moved*. Its still the same trailor. Changing locations doesn't change that fact.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


moo

Maybe it was a typo and what she was saying was his possessions would be moved out? Since he's just renting, I don't think he could actually have the trailer moved.

[Motomom]

Ron doesnt say anything bad about crystal in the media, and that has nothing to do with whether she did or not. It only says that Rons focus is haleigh and not trashing the bio mom.

imo

I agree with you on this VC. In the beginning IIRC he did not want to discuss certain things in regards to Crystal. I take it that he didnt' want to trash her and that's the right thing to do. There is a time and place for that I suppose and it surely is not during the investigation of your missing child IMO. Take it to LE with proof IMO..not national TV

[Motomom]

DITTO! Theresa is a very nice lady.

I agree. I find her to be a very warm and loving person from what I've seen. I think she was very involved in the childrens lives and her grief is genuine.

[Motomom]

Agreed- I take Xanax and they do not make me loopy or unemotional. In fact I was first put on them when I had to testify in court and if the had left me altered in anyway that wouldn't have been possible.

Now if Crystal hadn't been so emotionless from the very beginning I might say they put her on Prozac- that can make you totally emotionless but would have taken a week or more to kick in- and it wouldn't make you seem drugged.

I was just really bothered last night by the fact that she hardly reacted when she found out about the dumpster but was livid about the rumors she went MIA. Wonder if even for a minute she thought about the fact she had done 10 times worse to Ron in the past week...

A mood stabilizer can also make one very flat too. Very emotionless.. JMO

[Motomom]

I agree with you. Except I do now believe when she said "brats" she was talking about Chads kids.

I don't think she meant Chad's kids, but if she did, then she didn't mention her other two children at all. I don't care much that she called them Brats though.. Can't say I haven't called my own brats at times. JMO

[Motomom]

Thank you Motomom. I relish your posts also.

I kinda thought that was Ron taking the video. If so, how generous of Crystal to invite him to share Xmas morning. Blending families can only enhance the children's lives who have been torn asunder.

moo

I agree there. One thing I did notice about the video and to be honest, I assumed they were at Rons. But the video was focused on Haleigh the entire time. Maybe they focused on Junior for a while too an that was just the part that they showed. I don't mean it negatively, just ironic maybe..something that poor haleigh is missing now. I'm glad they have that video of her.

[odyssey]

Maybe he has found a new, younger girlfriend.

You might consider adding "jmo" or something like that to your posts since not one bitter thing you have written that i have read so far to catch up today has had one link involved.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Gee, I saw a lot of warmth and love on Haleigh's Xmas video. That was filmed at Crystal's home. I'm sure Crystal spent many moments thinking and wondering about her children. We just don't know if she was allowed to phone them in between her visits. If you notice, Ron has never said she cancelled a visit. Which many Dad's do, once they leave the family.

Just my musings.

moo

Yeah, how dare she have a Christmas tree and presents for Haleigh and Jr..... :cuss:

[KKKKKKatie]

You might consider adding "jmo" or something like that to your posts since not one bitter thing you have written that i have read so far to catch up today has had one link involved.

moo

Her use of the word Maybe...makes it clear enough to me that it is her opinion. And for that no link is required JMO

[bama__angel]

You might consider adding "jmo" or something like that to your posts since not one bitter thing you have written that i have read so far to catch up today has had one link involved.

moo


IMO......ITA with you............I dont understand why anyone would want to trash Ron or Crystal at this point in time........I truly pray that I never ever ever have to walk in either of their shoes......I cant even make my mind go to having to cope with this tragedy.........

[Erin26GA]

What does Mrs. Neives mean by this, *if he has enough money he will have it moved*. Its still the same trailor. Changing locations doesn't change that fact.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-022709,0,2290405.story


moo

Not only that..But, he's renting..You can't move someone else's home.

[breeze53]

hi breeze....

on one of the myspace accounts (i think chelsea's? who i think is married to misty's bro) there are pics of chelsea and kids in a van.



Yikes! I must go take a look thanks!

[breeze53]

I don't think she meant Chad's kids, but if she did, then she didn't mention her other two children at all. I don't care much that she called them Brats though.. Can't say I haven't called my own brats at times. JMO


If you read to the right of her myspace page where is says about me yes she does mention Haleigh and butterbean.

[emdragon]

I don't think she meant Chad's kids, but if she did, then she didn't mention her other two children at all. I don't care much that she called them Brats though.. Can't say I haven't called my own brats at times. JMO

Yeah I have always lovingly called my kids brats among other things.
Last night i had to hug my 15yr during the search and she said "don't worry mom i won't let anyone take me" my response "they would send you back anyway and tell me "this child just aint right" lol"

[CANDYKISSES]

Yeah, how dare she have a Christmas tree and presents for Haleigh and Jr..... :cuss:

Oh dear, what about Chloe? :unsure:

From the photos on myspace, it looks like she might be trying to clean it up a bit IMO. New baby, SB/fiance, new life and moving forward IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree with you. Except I do now believe when she said "brats" she was talking about Chads kids.

Well, that's certainly possible. I have only seen the court document on Chad regarding a child/minor. JMO

[odyssey]

I imagine Ron may be medicated too. I know I would be.

Thank you. Because i was kind of wondering why Crystal can be 'medicated' but Ron must be 'drugged out' lol

Do we even know the vehicle they seized was a van? I have turned this over and over in my mind and I just cannot see it being anything other than an abduction .. not necessarily a stranger but most likely one.

I don't see the facts bearing out Ronald doing anything or even having the time to. I don't see Misty lasting this long if she did anything though i still think she could have done something indirectly (such as leaving the door unlocked accidentally etc.).

I don't know enough about Crystal's boyfriend/fiance/stepbrother to form an opinion on him. I have not read his record or know if he has any convictions.
I don't see Crystal doing anything on her own ..

If they really really don't know what happened or what to do i do kinda wish LE would just release everything and let the amateur sleuthers have a chance at it. (Anytime any place the super sleuths are on the case .. to quote Tigger and Pooh =))

jmo

[breeze53]

It was said Grandma took video of each child as they were opening their gifts. A tradition IIRC.

I'll say IMO, 'cause I have no link to the statements.

You're right, it'll be a blessing they can watch if she is't recovered live. That's tough to say


I just watched that she is so cute in that video.:sad:

[breeze53]

Hi everyone. Just got on. R they searching with the dogs today? TIA

Yes I think they are.:smile:

[Vixerz]

I still think it's asinine that that dumpster was sitting there all that time and no one thought to check it before yesterday. Or am I mistaken and they did?

I think it's asinine it took 3 weeks and a few days to bring out the cadaver dogs in the first place. I believe they should've been brought in much earlier JUST to cover all the bases. No matter how optimistic LE was, I think it was terribly irresponsible not to entertain the notion much earlier. JMHO

[Pag Boi]

Gee, I saw a lot of warmth and love on Haleigh's Xmas video. That was filmed at Crystal's home. I'm sure Crystal spent many moments thinking and wondering about her children. We just don't know if she was allowed to phone them in between her visits. If you notice, Ron has never said she cancelled a visit. Which many Dad's do, once they leave the family.

Just my musings.

moo

The family of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings hopes new home video will help people recognize her.

The home video was shot Christmas morning at Haleigh's Satsuma home where she was last seen February 9.


http://www.wftv.com/news/18800392/detail.html

[Motomom]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18800392/detail.html

Thank you Pag. Looks like all that love and warmth came from Ron's home?

Maybe they switch Xmas'

[Pag Boi]

Have the family stuff moved IMO. He will still need their things no matter where he moves. He will want to have all of Haleighs toys waiting for her when she comes home. I think it is just the mobile home he does not want to live in. He is not saying he will move it. IMO
It would not be his to decide that I don't guess anyway.


Right, since he doesn't own the trailer he won't be moving it. ;)

[odyssey]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18800392/detail.html

Just more of the media messing up

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d25-Home-video-of-Haleigh-released

this one says Crystal gave it and it was taken christmas morning in her home .. actually if you look at the clothing the sun and the time on the video it probably IS from Crystal's house but in the AFTERNOON .. they likely had Christmas morning with the Cummings and then went to the Sheffields that afternoon.

jmo

[Motomom]

You're right on Vixerz!

It should be SOP to check under every house, each out building, in every dumpster and inside every trash receptacle within a mile of the 'crime scene' immediately.

Surely it isn't only posters on a message board who can see that?

One thing I will say is I did not realize how heavily wooded that area is. looked pretty dense from the links of the dogs searching yesterday. Now that her remains haven't been found, I have renewed hope that she's alive. I hope so.. Following these cases really has a mental strain on me. I can't imagine being the family. I'm not sure how they survive and to be honest, I hope Ron gets some major counciling because I fear he may hurt himself if she is not found, or if she is found dead :(

[odyssey]

One thing I will say is I did not realize how heavily wooded that area is. looked pretty dense from the links of the dogs searching yesterday. Now that her remains haven't been found, I have renewed hope that she's alive. I hope so.. Following these cases really has a mental strain on me. I can't imagine being the family. I'm not sure how they survive and to be honest, I hope Ron gets some major counciling because I fear he may hurt himself if she is not found, or if she is found dead :(

There is also a HUGE National Park, some of which is off limits because of the military, just a few miles from Satsuma.


moo

[Motomom]

There is also a HUGE National Park, some of which is off limits because of the military, just a few miles from Satsuma.


moo

Really. Why is it off limits? Could military search it?

[Armchairdet]

In my opinion, I also think if that poor little girl is not found alive, her father will completely break down. It is obvious he loves his daughter, no matter how many other flaws he may have. Again, just my opinion.

Everyone has flaws. Also, if everyone who had ever been arrested didn't have children the world would be a lonely place. Seriously though, I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever that Ron loves his daughter very much. I hope she is found alive. But the longer she is gone the harder it is for me to believe that she will be.

[IlliniFan]

If LE wants to recheck various areas, then I think they should send divers back to the body of water behind the trailer. I can't remember if it's a small lake, creek, river, etc....

Maybe it's been double checked?

jmo

[Motomom]

In my opinion, I also think if that poor little girl is not found alive, her father will completely break down. It is obvious he loves his daughter, no matter how many other flaws he may have. Again, just my opinion.

I agree. One thing I believe is that when we have children, we expect to have them forever, we expect to outlive them. When we live life, we make decisions. Some good, some bad. I don't think that many people think, hey, I may lose my chld one day, I shouldn't do this or that. I know a family who lost their only daughter in an accident. They have been dragged through the mud attempting to get custody of their only granddaughter. It's a horrible, unimaginable situation and my bet is if they could do life over, knowing what they know, their life would have been pristine. all jmo

[Pag Boi]

I agree there. One thing I did notice about the video and to be honest, I assumed they were at Rons. But the video was focused on Haleigh the entire time. Maybe they focused on Junior for a while too an that was just the part that they showed. I don't mean it negatively, just ironic maybe..something that poor haleigh is missing now. I'm glad they have that video of her.


Haleigh's little brother's face was obscured in the video at the family's request. Her brother told his mother a man in black came into the bedroom and took Haleigh.


http://www.wftv.com/news/18800392/detail.html

[Armchairdet]

If LE wants to recheck various areas, then I think they should send divers back to the body of water behind the trailer. I can't remember if it's a small lake, creek, river, etc....

Maybe it's been double checked?

jmo

St. Johns River I believe. I would imagine currents would make a search now useless. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18800392/detail.html

:wub:I'm swooning away Pag Boi. :wub:

I could have sworn I saw Teresa Neves address this too. JMO

[Vixerz]

In the video shot today, the handler with the australian accent stated that all these areas had been searched prior to this, with dogs, but they wanted to do it again just to make sure they didn't miss a clue.

It was all done already.

I have been under the impression the earlier dogs they had were NOT cadaver dogs. I believe it was stated Thursday that it was the first day cadaver dogs were being used in this investigation...? I could be wrong though so I will go search for a link.

[Motomom]

If LE wants to recheck various areas, then I think they should send divers back to the body of water behind the trailer. I can't remember if it's a small lake, creek, river, etc....

Maybe it's been double checked?

jmo

I think this too. Chris Pettit was location just 120 feet from where his boat capsized in the creek here.. 9 weeks after he went down.. they searched that creek and the banks every day.. for 9 weeks. (well I don't think they were in the water everyday, but.. they finally were able to bring their son home and put him to rest. So I think that creek/river/canal/whatever it is should be checked again too.

[CANDYKISSES]

Thank you Pag. Looks like all that love and warmth came from Ron's home?

Maybe they switch Xmas'

I think that was at the end of the transcripts from the paternity/custody hearing IIRC.

[odyssey]

Really. Why is it off limits? Could military search it?

I cannot say why it is offlimits ,, i (perhaps wrongly) would assume most military places would not be allowed to be searched without going through red tape. I have read that they do or used to do bombing practice runs over part of it. The 'bombs' were not real and again I did not witness this only 'heard/read' it so cannot validate it.

Regardless, even leaving that part alone that park is so big with lots of woods.

This whole thing still makes me think of the girl who was taken and put in the bunker in woods near her home but on private property that LE did not search until the girl's mom happened to get a text message from the teen girl that she was fortunate to send while the perp was asleep.

I guess that is why i keep going back to this one SO that is missing .. i believe HE is either a victim of foul play himself or is doing something out there somewhere that he should not,.


moooooo

[baywench]

Everyone has flaws. Also, if everyone who had ever been arrested didn't have children the world would be a lonely place. Seriously though, I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever that Ron loves his daughter very much. I hope she is found alive. But the longer she is gone the harder it is for me to believe that she will be.


I agree completley. I have a feeling that LE knows (for the most part) what went down here. This investigation and the focus have been odd at times. I think they are just getting their ducks in a row and, unfortunately, looking for a body. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Exception! There was no *love or warmth* in that home on that tragic night. Only evil.

moo

EVIL that could have come from anywhere given all the various motives we've seen so far IMO.

We still have no idea as to why LE was taking Crystal to an abandoned structure unless I missed it, let alone their quest to get her DNA yesterday IIRC.

Everyone is a SUSPECT IMO. :mad:

[caphill]

Just more of the media messing up

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d25-Home-video-of-Haleigh-released

this one says Crystal gave it and it was taken christmas morning in her home .. actually if you look at the clothing the sun and the time on the video it probably IS from Crystal's house but in the AFTERNOON .. they likely had Christmas morning with the Cummings and then went to the Sheffields that afternoon.

jmo


It could have been the reverse. The mother had them Xmas morn and Dad had them in the afternoon. Which grandma is called Nana?

[odyssey]

Chad Lewis? His family thinks he has run into foul play.

moo

Close .. Chad Reynolds.

I do feel that either something happened to him or he got involved in something that would have put him back in jail.

I want him to not be harmed but even more i don't want anymore little kids to have happen to them anything like what he was convicted of.


moo

[Motomom]

Exception! There was no *love or warmth* in that home on that tragic night. Only evil.

moo

Well I disagree, if you are referring to Ron but that's jmo. I do agree that it was evil that night, by whoever came in and stole that baby girl, or whoever hurt that baby girl that night.

[crymeariver2006]

I think this too. Chris Pettit was location just 120 feet from where his boat capsized in the creek here.. 9 weeks after he went down.. they searched that creek and the banks every day.. for 9 weeks. (well I don't think they were in the water everyday, but.. they finally were able to bring their son home and put him to rest. So I think that creek/river/canal/whatever it is should be checked again too.

And they didn't find Susan Smith's car for a long time. A car! Think of the size of that in relation to the size of little Haleigh.

:sad:

[odyssey]

It could have been the reverse. The mother had them Xmas morn and Dad had them in the afternoon. Which grandma is called Nana?
It could be. Since one article claims the video comes from Crystal and the other from the Sheffields.

I kinda thought Crystal's profile appeared once in the video as she (or some lady) leaned in to pick something up. i may be wrong.

Of course my perception of it seems to be a little different than others on here. Not worse .. just different.

moo

[Motomom]

EVIL that could have come from anywhere given all the various motives we've seen so far IMO.

We still have no idea as to why LE was taking Crystal to an abandoned structure unless I missed it, let alone their quest to get her DNA yesterday IIRC.

Everyone is a SUSPECT IMO. :mad:

And you know, I wish that if they can clear Ron and Crystal, I wish LE would. I don't care if they wait on clearing Misty, but Ron and Crystal should be cleared if they can be. i don't understand the delay in that, unless they really suspect one of them.

[crymeariver2006]

It could be. Since one article claims the video comes from Crystal and the other from the Sheffields.

I kinda thought Crystal's profile appeared once in the video as she (or some lady) leaned in to pick something up. i may be wrong.

Of course my perception of it seems to be a little different than others on here. Not worse .. just different.

moo

I believe it was Crystal that you saw. Crystal, Marie Griffis, Misty, and Teresa Neves all have distinctive voices.

What struck me about the video is that Haleigh appeared to be so much smaller than Jr.

[odyssey]

Who is Chad Reynolds? I thought all the SO were accounted for, including the one they took into custody for the curfew violation...


imo

A registered SO who came up missing about a week before HaLeigh was abducted. He disappeared near Marion county i think it was? and he has ties to Putnam County. His arrest and incarceration was for a crime he committed in Interlachen which is near Satsuma. He was released from prison in November.
He is right about Ron's age.
His little sister who tragically died last May in a car wreck was
about Crystal's age.
I have wondered if any of the four of them knew the others or went to school with them or something.
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moo