Thursday 2/26 Haleigh Cummings part II

[KKKKKKatie]

Here you go.....

[Myka]

Here you go.....

thanks Katie........this is going to drive me crazy, I have to leave in a little over an hr....ugh!

[kOOkie1]

Thanks for the new thread-


:wub:Prayers for Haleigh:wub:

[PBJMOM4]

Here you go.....

Thanks! It's going to be a long night.

[crymeariver2006]

Yes it is going to be a long night.

Two things stand out in my memory:

1) Dogs tracked her to the water

2) Misty says she "took out the trash", along with all that cleaning and laundry.

Has she (Misty) been taken back home from the police station yet?

:sad:

[Shelby1]

Hi everyone

Katie and Jomomma :wub:

I've been catching up. Doesn't sound very promising :crying:

[Myka]

looks like the new dumpster is there

[Myka]

OMG looks like they are taking the dumpster ...........


ooops, i thought a new dumpster, omg you could be right

[Motomom]

Wouldn't someone around that area smell something if she was there? Decomp would over power trash smell wouldn't it? grrr I have a meeting to go to in a little bit and I'm gonna miss ng

[Motomom]

Yep looked like they were loading the dumpster on the back of a truck . IF they found NOTHING why would they do that?

It's not the new one getting dropped off?? Doesn't make sense for them to take the old one if there was nothing in there :(

[lune3]

Yep looked like they were loading the dumpster on the back of a truck . IF they found NOTHING why would they do that?

My thought too. And why not continue searching through it. The man with the hand signals kind of makes me uneasy.

[CelticDawn]

Yep looked like they were loading the dumpster on the back of a truck . IF they found NOTHING why would they do that?

Im back in.....

They wouldnt....IMO

but it could be something else...Supposedly its human specific cadaver dogs that made the hit...but another story was that it could be a used bandage...or other waste.

[Tia]

there is still trash in the dumpster. they are waiting for dumpster number two to show up.


I assume to hold the stuff from the first dumpster?

[KKKKKKatie]

yeah i think its the new one they just brought in.

OMG the family has been told NOT to come to the site and stay at their site.


just heard that :sad:

[Calla]

DO we know for sure the dumpster was emptied 2 weeks ago??

I know sometimes in construction they don't pick them up until they are called and told that it is full. ....just from experience in construction business I know that sometimes is the case.

[emdragon]

JMO but i don't think they found anything in that dumpster

they all seem to be just standing around talking now away from the dumpster... no more digging through bags or anything

They just notified the families NOT to go down where the dumpster is- sadly that doesn't sound like nothing

[3Monkeys]

I've not posted here for a while, this case gave me a few nightmares, and sleepless nights, so I just check in from time to time to see if there is any 'new' news. Tonight I see there is...

So, from what I understand, they took notice of this dumpster about 2 - 3 hours ago? Was it a tip from the public, or did a dog hit on the spot?

Does anyone know far away this dumpster is from where she lived?

I pray Haleigh is alive, I honestly do.... but if she isn't, I hope this is the clue they need to find her so she can be laid to rest properly.

Does anyone know where I can see a live feed of this online?

TIA.

[Myka]

yeah i think its the new one they just brought in.

OMG the family has been told NOT to come to the site and stay at their site.


2 dumpster are there now

[desmom]

JVM talking to local reporter on scene. Reporter said Teresa, maternal grandmother, told her moments ago LE told the family to stay at their respective sights and not to come to the dumpster site.

She also reported she has seen LE briefing the family daily.

jmo

[emdragon]

Yes it is going to be a long night.

Two things stand out in my memory:

1) Dogs tracked her to the water

2) Misty says she "took out the trash", along with all that cleaning and laundry.

Has she (Misty) been taken back home from the police station yet?

:sad:

Yes Misti was in the truck with Ron when he spoke with investigators (she stayed in the truck) then she went with Ron back to the camp.

[Myka]

I've not posted here for a while, this case gave me a few nightmares, and sleepless nights, so I just check in from time to time to see if there is any 'new' news. Tonight I see there is...

So, from what I understand, they took notice of this dumpster about 2 - 3 hours ago? Was it a tip from the public, or did a dog hit on the spot?

Does anyone know far away this dumpster is from where she lived?

I pray Haleigh is alive, I honestly do.... but if she isn't, I hope this is the clue they need to find her so she can be laid to rest properly.

Does anyone know where I can see a live feed of this online?

TIA.

they said the dumpster is about a football field away from where the family is staying now, their tented area

[Kelly3820]

I believe what I read and heard today before I went to work that LE would be out with dogs going over places that they have already searched. Maybe they brought in special dogs or new dogs.

[Tia]

if it were nothing....why tell the family to stay in their tents and do NOT come down the dumpsters?

It sure sounds like its something. :sad:

[emdragon]

we need a live link because after NG we wont be able to watch.

Greta is an hour after NG.

[breeze53]

Here you go.....


Thanks for the new thread. I hope Haleigh is safe and not in that dumpster, but i guess she wouldnt really be safe if someone took her:sad:

[CelticDawn]

I believe what I read and heard today before I went to work that LE would be out with dogs going over places that they have already searched. Maybe they brought in special dogs or new dogs.

re the dogs....Are they human specific cadaver dogs...or are they alerting on animal remains as well?

[SwFlorida]

We have babies being thrown away like they are garbage and then we have someone having a liter of babies..What is wrong with this world?? :cursing:

[lune3]

if it were nothing....why tell the family to stay in their tents and do NOT come down the dumpsters?

I'm hoping that it's just "in case".

[breeze53]

if it were nothing....why tell the family to stay in their tents and do NOT come down the dumpsters?


Oh gosh I didnt know LE had told them not to come out of there tent:sad:

[Kelly3820]

re the dogs....Are they human specific cadaver dogs...or are they alerting on animal remains as well?



I believe human. These dogs are remarkable.

[~jomomma~]

anybody got that link that has all the different news stations from across the country? we used it alot in the Anthony case and watched Orlando stations. i just wonder if there'd be any live feeds going. i thought i had that link saved but i'm not finding it :bored:

[sunstar]

I believe what I read and heard today before I went to work that LE would be out with dogs going over places that they have already searched. Maybe they brought in special dogs or new dogs.

I just got JVM's show on a few minutes ago and heard these were new cadaver dogs that just hit on that dumpster earlier today. :sad:

[Tia]

Oh gosh I didnt know LE had told them not to come out of there tent:sad:


Hi Breeze, yes, they just said that.

[Themis]

JVM talking to local reporter on scene. Reporter said Teresa, maternal grandmother, told her moments ago LE told the family to stay at their respective sights and not to come to the dumpster site.

She also reported she has seen LE briefing the family daily.

jmo
So on the Jane V-M show just now, according to the reporter ON THE SCENE at the Cummings Tent she, the reporter, has seen LE brief the family daily.

Yet people, Crystal and/or Crystal's mother, have said LE 'don't tell them nothin'.'

Once again, how very weird. [JMO]

[Janz]

re the dogs....Are they human specific cadaver dogs...or are they alerting on animal remains as well?

Reports are conflicting on that Celtic.

[crymeariver2006]

Yes Misti was in the truck with Ron when he spoke with investigators (she stayed in the truck) then she went with Ron back to the camp.

TYVM!

I had to go out and just got in and saw the news.

But, I have to admit that Misty's taking out the trash has ALWAYS bothered me.

Much like every time George Anthony slung one of those black plastic trash bags to the curb every week.

:sad:

[march27]

Is there anyway to watch this live on the computer? If not thanks for the updates, cable was an expense I had to cut out. Cant live without my laptop though:rolleyes:

[Dietcokefan]

They just notified the families NOT to go down where the dumpster is- sadly that doesn't sound like nothing

Could also just mean they don't want more people than necessary down there while they are conducting the search...

[Myka]

anybody got that link that has all the different news stations from across the country? we used it alot in the Anthony case and watched Orlando stations. i just wonder if there'd be any live feeds going. i thought i had that link saved but i'm not finding it :bored:

maybe try to google Jacksonville news stations?

[~jomomma~]

ok, what are they doing with the bags they're putting in the new dumpster? surely, those couldn't have been all gone thru?

[KKKKKKatie]

anybody got that link that has all the different news stations from across the country? we used it alot in the Anthony case and watched Orlando stations. i just wonder if there'd be any live feeds going. i thought i had that link saved but i'm not finding it :bored:

http://www.livenewscameras.com/

[3Monkeys]

they said the dumpster is about a football field away from where the family is staying now, their tented area


Thank you Myka... my goodness!

It sounds very ominous that they are removing that dumpster, but on the other hand, surely they would have checked it already?

Would someone be so brazen as to dump her little body into it recently with everyone about? (That's a rhetorical question, I guess) :sad:

IF she is in there, or ever was, I'm hoping that they find heaps of evidence to convict the perp.

[breeze53]

TYVM!

I had to go out and just got in and saw the news.

But, I have to admit that Misty's taking out the trash has ALWAYS bothered me.

Much like every time George Anthony slung one of those black plastic trash bags to the curb every week.

:sad:


Wonder if they found Mistys blanket in there:shrug:

[Themis]

yep on HLN she said LE told them to stay in their tents and do NOT come down to the dumpster. i can understand stay away from the dumpster but what if they want to go to the store or something like that.
To clarify: it was reported that LE has told everyone at the tent sites to remain at their sites and not to come to the dumpster area.

Note: they were not told they must stay in their tents. [JMO]

[desmom]

re the dogs....Are they human specific cadaver dogs...or are they alerting on animal remains as well?

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh reported the dogs being used today are trained to find human remains.

jmo

[Tia]

ok, what are they doing with the bags they're putting in the new dumpster? surely, those couldn't have been all gone thru?


Are the dogs still there? Is it possible they are going to haul off the entire dumpster and go through it? That wouldn't make sense though, since they could just haul off the first one.

Ugh, I'm confused!

[crymeariver2006]

Wonder if they found Mistys blanket in there:shrug:

If they did I'm going to scream!

Loudly!

[Larkin]

Is there anyway to watch this live on the computer? If not thanks for the updates, cable was an expense I had to cut out. Cant live without my laptop though:rolleyes:

Try Jacksonville here


http://www.livenewscameras.com/

[crymeariver2006]

IF NG was taped earlier, she's not going to have the latest is she?

[lune3]

Just thinking aloud here. These guys don't appear to be affected by any odor.
Does anyone know how long decomp smell lasts? Or it could be that remains of fluids or blood is in there in a separate bag from where Haleigh really is, a blanket, clothing etc.,... or that she was removed.

I hope it's just a bandage of some sort, would dogs hit on a bit of dried blood?

[Tia]

IF NG was taped earlier, she's not going to have the latest is she?


I dunno, another "Bombshell" according the NG:rolleyes:

[KKKKKKatie]

Just thinking aloud here. These guys don't appear to be affected by any odor.
Does anyone know how long decomp smell lasts? Or it could be that remains of fluids or blood is in there in a separate bag from where Haleigh really is, a blanket, clothing etc.,... or that she was removed.

I hope it's just a bandage of some sort, would dogs hit on a bit of dried blood?

no...cadaver dogs would not

[IlliniFan]

IF NG was taped earlier, she's not going to have the latest is she?

You might be right. Has she even mentioned the dumpster search?

[Janz]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh reported the dogs being used today are trained to find human remains.

jmo

Thanks desmon, That means this is very ominous....... Lord!!

[Myka]

wow i didn't know she taped early. When did that start?


I think when she doesn't take any live calls, she is taped

[KKKKKKatie]

Gesh i was really hoping NG was live so we could watch the dumpster but oh well.


really frustrating that nothing is on live :mad:

[TN Serenity]

Are the dogs still there? Is it possible they are going to haul off the entire dumpster and go through it? That wouldn't make sense though, since they could just haul off the first one.

Ugh, I'm confused!


It's seems more logical to me for them to move the dumpster to a secure area where they can take their time checking it than to do it there, where people are actually putting up ladders so they can stare over the fence to see what's going on :ohmy:

[3Monkeys]

To clarify: it was reported that LE has told everyone at the tent sites to remain at their sites and not to come to the dumpster area.

Note: they were not told they must stay in their tents. [JMO]


Just catching up here.... who reported this?

TIA

[Dietcokefan]

To clarify: it was reported that LE has told everyone at the tent sites to remain at their sites and not to come to the dumpster area.

Note: they were not told they must stay in their tents. [JMO]

exactly what I had posted early as to my speculation...not the dire situation, rather, just to stay away from search scene...

[lune3]

really frustrating that nothing is on live :mad:

It is frustrating. I'm wondering whether that could be a bad sign. That LE chased all the media away for a reason.

[KKKKKKatie]

Just catching up here.... who reported this?

TIA

IIRC a producer from the JVM show...may have been a reporter tho

[TN Serenity]

Oh ok thank you i thought she said for them to stay in the tents. Sorry

They are still in a tent? I thought someone had supplied a camper for them.

[Themis]

I dunno, another "Bombshell" according the NG:rolleyes:
'bombshell' being that 'LE wants to take Crystal's DNA but she left for the doctor and is now missing.':wink:
[JMO] <sarcasm off now>

[crymeariver2006]

I know it's late but I'm calling BS on the "routine" statement from police and that they weren't acting on a tip when they called cadaver dogs in today.

JMO

[Peaches]

Gesh i was really hoping NG was live so we could watch the dumpster but oh well.


It is my hope that HaLeigh is not there!

I hope that somewhere she is alive..................and will be sent home soon.............

Watching this happen must be very hard on HaLeigh's family!

Someone said that Crystal looked/talked as if she was on medicine..........I can tell you right now, they would have to give me something .................

Everyone hold those babies close and give them lots of love!

[KKKKKKatie]

They are still in a tent? I thought someone had supplied a camper for them.


for Ron...Crystal is still in a tent IMO

[ConchGirl]

NG is not live so it's a waste, huge waste. moo

[crymeariver2006]

NG is not live so it's a waste, huge waste. moo


Just when we need NG to be live.....Aaaarrrrrrgh!

[Shells2]

Her little body wouldn't still be in that dumpster..

This just makes me sick. Does anyone know how to get a garbage schedule for that area? If it were human decomp in that dumpster, and Garbage pick up is the next day I would say that narrows down the suspects to those that know when the garbage is taken...

[Themis]

They are still in a tent? I thought someone had supplied a camper for them.
The camper trailer was loaned to Ron Cummings. There is no way the entire Cummings clan can fit into the camper trailer. The woman who loaned Ron Cummings her camper trailer was because she felt bad seeing HE was sleeping in a leaking tent during the rain.

There is no way for the entire Sheffield clan can fit into it either.

Each family, the Cummings and the Sheffields, has their own tent site but the tent sites are not right next to one other for obvious reasons. [JMO]

[Janz]

Did anyone notice the resemblence of the little hat Haleigh got for Christmas, looked very much like the one worn by Jessica Lunsford???

[Vixerz]

This is just me...


I'd love the coverage to keep up w/new developments but I certainly would NOT want to SEE them pull remains out of a dumpster.

[openminded]

wow i didn't know she taped early. When did that start?

Sometimes she tapes earlier. If it's live it will say so in the upper left or upper right side of the screen.

[3Monkeys]

hln.............


Thank you FallenAngel.

One other question. Is this dumpster suspicious because dogs hit on it, or because a tip was called in? Do we know this yet?

I was under the impression that it was a neighbor that called in the tip from what firstcoastnews said...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3

But I'm reading a lot about cadaver dogs in the comments here, so I'm a bit confused... were there dogs at this dumpster?

TIA (sorry... i WILL get caught up...)

[Peaches]

Just when we need NG to be live.....Aaaarrrrrrgh!


Does anyone know anything more...............what a spot to leave us all hanging.............wanting to know more.............

[ConchGirl]

Her little body wouldn't still be in that dumpster..

This just makes me sick. Does anyone know how to get a garbage schedule for that area? If it were human decomp in that dumpster, and Garbage pick up is the next day I would say that narrows down the suspects to those that know when the garbage is taken...

It is my understanding that it is a construction dumpster. In my experience they only dump them when they are full and call. There is no schedule. I sure others who have undergone construction will agree. moo

[wondering?]

I am hoping that they shoo the media away from the dumpster, there is no need for all the world to see what is or is not found. Remember the song "Dirty Laundry", how so many feed on sadness and hearing about the sorrow and trouble of others.
We will hear soon enough what is found without seeing it as it unfolds.

Here's hoping that Haleigh is found safe and sound and that her family can be rewarded for their talking to the media and giving us all a look into their personal sorrow. And did it in spite of so many people picking apart every word, every expression, their use of the English language, their hair style, they still declare their love for their child and want her found.

[ConchGirl]

Sometimes she tapes earlier. If it's live it will say so in the upper left or upper right side of the screen.

If she wants to be with her twins, she needs to give up the show. We want live or it's a waste of time. moo

[TisMeAgain]

IF NG was taped earlier, she's not going to have the latest is she?

LOL Cry, NOPE! That's why Im here! I'm hoping the local folks will keep us updated as they do in the Cayle case. No one has said if Misty is in the tent or not. That's what I want to know!

[Peaches]

Did anyone notice the resemblence of the little hat Haleigh got for Christmas, looked very much like the one worn by Jessica Lunsford???



Yes...........they looked exactly alike only HaLeigh's was purple while Jessica's was pink.

[sunstar]

IF NG was taped earlier, she's not going to have the latest is she?

Sadly she hasn't had anything about the dumpster. All her interviews with local reporters were during the daylight. :sad:

[TN Serenity]

The camper trailer was loaned to Ron Cummings. There is no way the entire Cummings clan can fit into the camper trailer. The woman who loaned Ron Cummings her camper trailer was because she felt bad seeing HE was sleeping in a leaking tent during the rain.

There is no way for the entire Sheffield clan can fit into it either.

Each family, the Cummings and the Sheffields, has their own tent site but the tent sites are not right next to one other for obvious reasons. [JMO]

Okay, I understand the mother lives out of town, so that makes sense, but why is the father staying in a tent/camper? Will LE not allow him to go back to his house or does he just not want to go back?:confused:

[breeze53]

Yes...........they looked exactly alike only HaLeigh's was purple while Jessica's was pink.


Is there a link to that video anywhere i missed it i guess....thanks

[lune3]

It is my understanding that it is a construction dumpster. In my experience they only dump them when they are full and call. There is no schedule. I sure others who have undergone construction will agree. moo

That's my understanding too.
My townhouse neighbour, when she was renovating, had one on our shared driveway for 10 weeks!! (when she said it would be there for 2!).

It was mentioned though that this one was emptied two weeks ago.

[SwineFeld]

Don't know how much faith I put into these sorts of things (dreams and visions) but, this site (see below link) has been mentioned on here several times in the past. And so periodically I go and look at it just to see what new things are being mentioned.

Anyway, yesterday I read through a lot of info and interestingly enough, a dumpster was mentioned (back on Feb 14th). And, lo and behold, today they are talking about a dumpster on the news.

Here is the link. The dumpster is mentioned almost at the top of the page.

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2570&sid=ba25c425330e56fd240752bc6b9bc9d1

[TisMeAgain]

LOL Cry, NOPE! That's why Im here! I'm hoping the local folks will keep us updated as they do in the Cayle case. No one has said if Misty is in the tent or not. That's what I want to know!

oh dear! NG just said Crystal hasn't taken dna sample yet. Good thing I came to you INFORMATIVE people to get my news.

[Vixerz]

Yes...........they looked exactly alike only HaLeigh's was purple while Jessica's was pink.

That's what my Grandmere just told me. :( I didn't follow the Lunsford case.

[emdragon]

Thank you FallenAngel.

One other question. Is this dumpster suspicious because dogs hit on it, or because a tip was called in? Do we know this yet?

I was under the impression that it was a neighbor that called in the tip from what firstcoastnews said...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3

But I'm reading a lot about cadaver dogs in the comments here, so I'm a bit confused... were there dogs at this dumpster?

TIA (sorry... i WILL get caught up...)

An officer from the Sheriffs office told the reporter it was a cadaver dog hit.

[breeze53]

Sadly she hasn't had anything about the dumpster. All her interviews with local reporters were during the daylight. :sad:


She missed this bomb shell:laugh::laugh:

[crymeariver2006]

Okay, I understand the mother lives out of town, so that makes sense, but why is the father staying in a tent/camper? Will LE not allow him to go back to his house or does he just not want to go back?:confused:

The house still has crime scene tape up and police weren't letting anybody back in.

Ronald's choice was to stay nearby in a tent, despite being offered places to stay with family in the area. (This was early on). Later, someone offered him the use of the RV in which he is currently staying.

[Peaches]

Is there a link to that video anywhere i missed it i guess....thanks


Yes..............video of Christmas ............her mother gave it to media..............was posted earlier today.............anyone remember where?

[CelticDawn]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh reported the dogs being used today are trained to find human remains.

jmo

thank You....and everyone...
I heard conflicting stories....

Since they're human specific...they can still alert on blood products...<used bandages or wipes...etc>....so I am holding out hope....although I sadly doubt that this isnt connected to Hayleigh.:crying:

[Themis]

Okay, I understand the mother lives out of town, so that makes sense, but why is the father staying in a tent/camper? Will LE not allow him to go back to his house or does he just not want to go back?:confused:
1. LE has not released the Cummings Mobile Home and will allow no one to move back in.

2. Teresa Neves, Ronald Cummings' Mother, has stated emphatically that Ron will never ... never move back in that Mobile Home. [JMO]

[breeze53]

It was reported earlier than Ron went into his trailor and Misty entered the Cummings tent. This was earlier after Misty's three hour interview with LE. Ron drove her back from the Police headquarters.

moo

I wish i could have been a fly on the sun visor :laugh:

[emdragon]

I am hoping that they shoo the media away from the dumpster, there is no need for all the world to see what is or is not found. Remember the song "Dirty Laundry", how so many feed on sadness and hearing about the sorrow and trouble of others.
We will hear soon enough what is found without seeing it as it unfolds.

Here's hoping that Haleigh is found safe and sound and that her family can be rewarded for their talking to the media and giving us all a look into their personal sorrow. And did it in spite of so many people picking apart every word, every expression, their use of the English language, their hair style, they still declare their love for their child and want her found.

I'd bet money if they find her in there the big blue tent will go up before they remove her.

[IM4Truth]

NG is not live so it's a waste, huge waste. moo

The question tonight is "Where IS Nancy"?

[gaelicpeas]

Did anyone notice the resemblence of the little hat Haleigh got for Christmas, looked very much like the one worn by Jessica Lunsford???yup.. that was my very first thought.... creepy.

[Vixerz]

Question for anyone...


So, our next live feed (that we know of right now) will be Greta at 10p???

[sunstar]

She missed this bomb shell:laugh::laugh:

I wonder if Greta will have anything? What if LE finds something tonight? :sad:

[SwineFeld]

I normally don't read or put much thought into that stuff. It's just that it was mentioned on here a few times by others and then me. Anyway, I don't even think it was the Brian guy who had the "vision." Someone else did and posted it in that forum.

Every once in awhile he gets a few things right..........IMO

[Janz]

Yes...........they looked exactly alike only HaLeigh's was purple while Jessica's was pink.

Beyond sad........wonder why (HLN), isn`t showing this. I know FOX breaks regular shows with car chase scenes, just seems a shame to me. I don`t want to see the removal of a little body either, but this is breaking news.

[breeze53]

thank You....and everyone...
I heard conflicting stories....

Since they're human specific...they can still alert on blood products...<used bandages or wipes...etc>....so I am holding out hope....although I sadly doubt that this isnt connected to Hayleigh.:crying:

Well Ron did have a large bandage on his neck right after this happened. But i dont think thats what they hit on.

[desmom]

That's my understanding too.
My townhouse neighbour, when she was renovating, had one on our shared driveway for 10 weeks!! (when she said it would be there for 2!).

It was mentioned though that this one was emptied two weeks ago.

A BIG what if...

If this was emptied two weeks ago, was it because it was full or because of smell? Would a bunch of construction workers even put a missing child together with a stinky dumpster? Maybe one of the workers got to thinking about it and contacted LE.

just thinking out loud and jmo

[TisMeAgain]

It was reported earlier than Ron went into his trailor and Misty entered the Cummings tent. This was earlier after Misty's three hour interview with LE. Ron drove her back from the Police headquarters.

moo

THANK YOU so much, swarovski! I knew you peeps would have more than the reporters! LOL :thumbsup:

[Roxxanne]

If she wants to be with her twins, she needs to give up the show. We want live or it's a waste of time. moo

Amen to that! Her show seems a bit foolish tonight, here we've been watching a search of a dumpster and she's talking about sightings in Indiana(or somewhere). I didn't realize till a few weeks ago that sometimes it isn't live. She's missing some potentially important news.MOO.
You're right, a waste!

[emdragon]

It was reported earlier than Ron went into his trailor and Misty entered the Cummings tent. This was earlier after Misty's three hour interview with LE. Ron drove her back from the Police headquarters.

moo

Actually this was after Ron went to the home and spoke to investigators- Misti and an unidentified man stayed in the truck while Ron spoke to LE- then Ron drove back and he went in the trailer and Misti the tent.

[IM4Truth]

Question for anyone...


So, our next live feed (that we know of right now) will be Greta at 10p???

Just a thought, if anything is found, maybe JVM will be on live during the 2nd run of NG? (10 pm EST) Remember the first arrest of Casey Anthony? JVM was sitting in that night and instead of a repeat in the 2nd run, JVM stayed live.

[ConchGirl]

The question tonight is "Where IS Nancy"?

Nancy needs to give up her night job if she wants a day job. If she's not live she needs to go away. imo

[openminded]

The question tonight is "Where IS Nancy"?

She is pre-recording more and more, it seems, so my guess would be she doesn't like leaving the twins at night.

[Themis]

If helicopters are up in the air why do we not have a live link :( do they really want us to wait till TOMORROW?
Why jump to the conclusion that the helicopters in the air have anything to do with TV coverage?

I would think it might be LE helicopters looking for someone (a RSO?] hurriedly leaving their home. [JMO]

[openminded]

Question for anyone...


So, our next live feed (that we know of right now) will be Greta at 10p???


As far as we know, yes.

[sunstar]

A BIG what if...

If this was emptied two weeks ago, was it because it was full or because of smell? Would a bunch of construction workers even put a missing child together with a stinky dumpster? Maybe one of the workers got to thinking about it and contacted LE.

just thinking out loud and jmo

I think it would be very noticeable if the dumpster was only being used for construction materials, or was it open for everybody to use? At the end of JVM's show she said the 2nd dumpster just brought in was going to be used for 'non-relevant' garbage.

[crymeariver2006]

thank You....and everyone...
I heard conflicting stories....

Since they're human specific...they can still alert on blood products...<used bandages or wipes...etc>....so I am holding out hope....although I sadly doubt that this isnt connected to Hayleigh.:crying:

No, when a human body decomposes, it releases certain gasses. I can't recall the names of them right off, but there are two distinct gasses that are not released from animals or blood smells. The dogs are trained to alert to these gasses. Blood on a bandaid wouldn't cause them to alert.

[emdragon]

If helicopters are up in the air why do we not have a live link :( do they really want us to wait till TOMORROW?

Greta just keep hoping for Greta. FA.

[sunstar]

She is pre-recording more and more, it seems, so my guess would be she doesn't like leaving the twins at night.

Maybe it's time for her to turn her show over to Mike Brooks! MOO :smile:

[TisMeAgain]

If helicopters are up in the air why do we not have a live link :( do they really want us to wait till TOMORROW?

no kidding! They have to know by now if she's in there or not (wouldn't they)? Would they make the family wait as well? Remember when LE went to arrest Casey at her house...NG was live then, why not live now?

[CelticDawn]

No, when a human body decomposes, it releases certain gasses. I can't recall the names of them right off, but there are two distinct gasses that are not released from animals or blood smells. The dogs are trained to alert to these gasses. Blood on a bandaid wouldn't cause them to alert.

they do alert on blood....and on a construction site there could be cuts that would bleed LOTS....and blood is by definition connective tissue ...when it breaks down over a period of time it releases cadaverine also.

....and I KINW....I am just hoping against hope....grasping at any hint that some well-meaning busybody weirdy took her anxd is now afraid to bring her back.....


....I know....not likely

[IM4Truth]

She is pre-recording more and more, it seems, so my guess would be she doesn't like leaving the twins at night.

Wasn't Mike Galanos speaking with Natisha Lance earlier? If a NG producer was at the sight, why wouldn't her show be live tonight? I've noticed a lot of pre-recorded shows lately too. Time for her to be replaced with someone who will be there live.

[ConchGirl]

She is pre-recording more and more, it seems, so my guess would be she doesn't like leaving the twins at night.

My kids were asleep at night so I would work nights when they were young so I could be with them when they were awake. I was with them during their waking hours and DH took care of them at night.(That's the easy part when they are sleeping) That's just me. Say goodnight to Nancy. moo

[TisMeAgain]

Greta just keep hoping for Greta. FA.

oh yeah, gretta! Wooohooo, I hope she does more than 3 minutes on the case.

[openminded]

Maybe it's time for her to turn her show over to Mike Brooks! MOO :smile:

True. She's probably betting on the fact that it's unlikely anything major will happen after she tapes. She's been wrong several times lately.

[crymeariver2006]

My kids were asleep at night so I would work nights when they were young so I could be with them when they were awake. I was with them during their waking hours and DH took care of them at night.(That's the easy part when they are sleeping) That's just me. Say goodnight to Nancy. moo

Good night Nancy!

:seeya:

[breeze53]

Maybe it's time for her to turn her show over to Mike Brooks! MOO :smile:



On nights like this she could broadcast from home I am sure she has enough space:laugh:

[sunstar]

True. She's probably betting on the fact that it's unlikely anything major will happen after she tapes. She's been wrong several times lately.

Well with cadaver dogs out again today, she should expect something new. :sneaky: MOO

[crymeariver2006]

Well with cadaver dogs out again today, she should expect something new. :sneaky: MOO

I know I was and I'm not even a former Prosecutor turned talk show host from Atlanta!

:biggrin:

[Peaches]

oh ok....the reporter on JVM must have got it wrong. Sorry.


Who knows............maybe you are correct FA..............

Let's just hope we learn more at 10 when Greta is on...............

[lune3]

No, when a human body decomposes, it releases certain gasses. I can't recall the names of them right off, but there are two distinct gasses that are not released from animals or blood smells. The dogs are trained to alert to these gasses. Blood on a bandaid wouldn't cause them to alert.

Then it stands to reason that since a trained cadaver dog hit on the dumpster, then there is or was a human body in there. How can it be a false alarm then? This is awful and doesn't give much hope at all.

[bluwaters]

Just getting here and am shocked at the news!
Don't know much, sorry if these links were already posted.

Haleigh's Mom: 'I'm Very Mad'
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3
Crystal Sheffield states that she did give a DNA sample today,
Video link on right side of the page

Haleigh Cummings Searchers Dig through Dumpster
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3
it is reported that a neighbor called in a tip
video link on right side of page

Investigators searching trash bin near Haleigh's home
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh

[playnice]

Maybe it's time for her to turn her show over to Mike Brooks! MOO :smile:

:no::no:Give him Janes.

[IM4Truth]

Is this thread about Haleigh or Nancy Grace?

It's about Haleigh and the fact that Mike Galanos and Jane Velez-Mitchell were both LIVE for the last two hours at the dumpster site. Everyone waiting for Nancy Grace and it is pre-recorded. Not off topic at all.

[Peaches]

Wasn't Mike Galanos speaking with Natisha Lance earlier? If a NG producer was at the sight, why wouldn't her show be live tonight? I've noticed a lot of pre-recorded shows lately too. Time for her to be replaced with someone who will be there live.


And if her show is at 8pm, she has the best time of the day with her babies..................moo

[CelticDawn]

I know I was and I'm not even a former Prosecutor turned talk show host from Atlanta!

:biggrin:

If her remains are in that dumpster...or something containing traces of human remains are there....they will more than likely haul the entire dumpster to an evidence lockup....If we see them come in and remove the dumpster sans the irrelevant items....I think we will know for sure then.

[TisMeAgain]

Just getting here and am shocked at the news!
Don't know much, sorry if these links were already posted.

Haleigh's Mom: 'I'm Very Mad'
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3
Crystal Sheffield states that she did give a DNA sample today,
Video link on right side of the page

Haleigh Cummings Searchers Dig through Dumpster
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3
video link on right side of page


Thankie Blue, I haven't seen them!

[Tia]

Is this thread about Haleigh or Nancy Grace?


:smile:

We just wanna know whats going on and are getting ZIP from NG!

[Peaches]

Well with cadaver dogs out again today, she should expect something new. :sneaky: MOO


And heard that they will be there tomorrow as well....................

That is............if needed.

I hope that they do not find HaLeigh tonight.............not looking good.

[sunstar]

Is this thread about Haleigh or Nancy Grace?

Haleigh of course and a little disappointment that NG's coverage isn't live with the breaking news of LE searching the dumpster.

[Details]

I'd expect a message to stay away from the dumpster search to be simply a suggestion to help them avoid an unpleasant scene - garbage, and worrying every bit might be the missing child, anxiety causing you to read secret messages in every bit of trash, every random way someone tilts their head - they shouldn't be there, for their own sake, even or especially if she isn't there.

[sunstar]

And heard that they will be there tomorrow as well....................

That is............if needed.

I hope that they do not find HaLeigh tonight.............not looking good.

I hope they don't find her where they're looking :sad: but I do believe in cadaver dogs especially highly trained ones. And it just seems too ironic that the back door was found unlocked, the screen door propped open and one of the reasons given that the door was ever used was to take out trash. MOO

[Details]

Then it stands to reason that since a trained cadaver dog hit on the dumpster, then there is or was a human body in there. How can it be a false alarm then? This is awful and doesn't give much hope at all.The dogs are good - but they do occasionally raise a false alarm - hit on some other chemical, some innocent disposal of a dead animal, or just random error.

[Janz]

From the looks of it there wasn't much construction garbage in the dumpster, it looked like household garbage.

JMO

Yes, it did MrLucky, I also noticed what looked like grass clippings and small tree branches.

[desmom]

From the looks of it there wasn't much construction garbage in the dumpster, it looked like household garbage.

JMO

Thanks Mr. Lucky. :seeya:

[IM4Truth]

And if her show is at 8pm, she has the best time of the day with her babies..................moo

Isn't NG out of New York? Wouldn't 8 pm be near the twins bedtime? Wouldn't she have already had the biggest part of the day with them? (if she hadn't been off pre-recording?) I'm sure Natisha Lance would have been in contact with her. Evidently no one was available to sit in for her tonight. Just makes us wonder what is going on now? Is there something left in that dumpster? Is LE currently notifying the families that something may have been found? Hopefully Greta will be on top of it.

[bluwaters]

Investigators searching trash bin near Haleigh's home
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2009-02-26/story/dogs_called_out_again_in_search_for_haleigh

[CanCan]

Snowstorm here tonight, so I'm using that as an excuse to skip a stuffy concert and stay home to watch the coverage. I just emailed Nancy Grace, suggesting that she tell her staff to step it up - they were less informed than Jane VM's staff, yet Nancy's staff had an extra hour to gather info, ie: whether Crystal had DNA drawn or not. I hope that Greta has extensive coverage - Nancy's was a disappointment.

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Then it stands to reason that since a trained cadaver dog hit on the dumpster, then there is or was a human body in there. How can it be a false alarm then? This is awful and doesn't give much hope at all.


How often are those dumpsters emptied?

(Catching up on the days events)

[IM4Truth]

I'd expect a message to stay away from the dumpster search to be simply a suggestion to help them avoid an unpleasant scene - garbage, and worrying every bit might be the missing child, anxiety causing you to read secret messages in every bit of trash, every random way someone tilts their head - they shouldn't be there, for their own sake, even or especially if she isn't there.

They were in their tents watching it all on TV just as we were.

[mustangtoni]

From the looks of it there wasn't much construction garbage in the dumpster, it looked like household garbage.

JMO

I don't think it was a construction dumpster...since it was where they stored their boats and RV's...

[hooked2]

Yes it is going to be a long night.

Two things stand out in my memory:

1) Dogs tracked her to the water

2) Misty says she "took out the trash", along with all that cleaning and laundry.

Has she (Misty) been taken back home from the police station yet?

:sad:

I'd never heard they'd tracked her to the water, I thought it was into the woods, wow. Not good.

The whole washing the blanket that she pee'd on never set well with me, but I have really believed this was an abducted child. I'll be beyond peeved if it's not, but I suppose for her sake it may actually be the lesser of the evils. I hate to think of these babies in the hands of SO's.

[Rick777]

Just like the guy in the cowboy hat, maybe they are the same personhammer


Even a blind squirrel finds acorn once in awhile.

[IM4Truth]

Snowstorm here tonight, so I'm using that as an excuse to skip a stuffy concert and stay home to watch the coverage. I just emailed Nancy Grace, suggesting that she tell her staff to step it up - they were less informed than Jane VM's staff, yet Nancy's staff had an extra hour to gather info, ie: whether Crystal had DNA drawn or not. I hope that Greta has extensive coverage - Nancy's was a disappointment.

jmo

Natisha Lance, Nancy's producer was at the scene on the phone with Mike Galanos earlier. It's not her staff that needs to step it up.......it's Nancy, herself!

[mustangtoni]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html

Amber Alert -- Dumpster Searched In Putnam Co.

Searchers have cordoned off an area in Putnam County.

Investigators have searched a Dumpster in a subdivision that's approximately a quarter-mile away from the home of Haleigh Cummings.

The contents from the Dumpster has been placed into a second, where investigators are going through the bags one by one.

Investigators are now using a backhoe to sift through debris in the first Dumpster.

According to News 13's Saul Saenz, investigators took pictures of the Dumpster before taking out the contents.

Neighbors told Saenz when cadaver dogs got close to the Dumpster, they started barking.

[CanCan]

Could also just mean they don't want more people than necessary down there while they are conducting the search...

Sounds to me like they want to spare the family the cruel image of their beloved little girl being retrieved out of a dumpster.

jmo

[~jomomma~]

Investigators are now using a backhoe to sift through debris in the first Dumpster.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html


why are they now using a backhoe?


hmmmm....that is what i was thinking they'd do! i said with the hand/arm movements of that one guy....wondered if they'd bring in a machine to scrape/lift the remainder of the stuff out of there. hard telling...maybe it was all wet near the bottom. who knows how long that dumpster sat there.

[Janz]

Investigators are now using a backhoe to sift through debris in the first Dumpster.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html


why are they now using a backhoe?

Good question and did you see that one of the neighbors stated that cadaver dogs were barking as they approaced the dumpster. Seems it was more than one of the dogs..........

[jelato]

NG is not live so it's a waste, huge waste. moo

...a waste, huge waste... are you quoting Casey Anthony? That phrase seems to be familiar. :wink:

[sunstar]

Investigators are now using a backhoe to sift through debris in the first Dumpster.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html


why are they now using a backhoe?

thanks for the link to updates!

[Rick777]

hmmmm....that is what i was thinking they'd do! i said with the hand/arm movements of that one guy....wondered if they'd bring in a machine to scrape/lift the remainder of the stuff out of there. hard telling...maybe it was all wet near the bottom. who knows how long that dumpster sat there.

Boy I don't know about a backhoe. Talk about crushing potential evidence.

[~jomomma~]

Good question and did you see that one of the neighbors stated that cadaver dogs were barking as they approaced the dumpster. Seems it was more than one of the dogs..........

...... :crying:

[bluwaters]

Awful question, but -
Couldn't the cadaver dogs help them pin point remains?
Are the dogs no longer there?

[CanCan]

Just thinking aloud here. These guys don't appear to be affected by any odor.
Does anyone know how long decomp smell lasts? Or it could be that remains of fluids or blood is in there in a separate bag from where Haleigh really is, a blanket, clothing etc.,... or that she was removed.

I hope it's just a bandage of some sort, would dogs hit on a bit of dried blood?

These are cadaver dogs - trained specifically to find dead bodies. They would not alert to dried human blood from a living human being.

jmo

[TisMeAgain]

Boy I don't know about a backhoe. Talk about crushing potential evidence.

That's what I was thinking.

[Peaches]

Boy I don't know about a backhoe. Talk about crushing potential evidence.


This is what I was thinking too................

Good Night everyone.................

My prayer is that HaLeigh is alive and well somewhere

[day2day]

Good night Nancy!

:seeya:

Right! Sweet dreams, Nancy! :thumbdown:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Cadaver dogs are known to have many false hits ... and with it being a dumpster, who knows what the alert could be ...

Hopefully it is somebody who tossed a dead cat in the trash and not somebody tossing a dead child in the trash

[~jomomma~]

Boy I don't know about a backhoe. Talk about crushing potential evidence.

well...LOL maybe it's not a huge one. there are smaller ones. i don't know. guess you'd think they'd use shovels or something

:shrug:

[Janz]

...... :crying:

I think we had best get ready for another child murdered and tossed away like garbage, jo.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Question?

Today, when Misty was once taken off for questioning, was that when LE had Ron go back with them into the trailer or was it before/after?

TIA!

[Tia]

I think we had best get ready for another child murdered and tossed away like garbage, jo.

Unfortunately, I think you are right.

[TisMeAgain]

I think we had best get ready for another child murdered and tossed away like garbage, jo.

Crazy people! Does anyone have a live local link handy? TIA

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[sunstar]

Might be that there was construction garbage near the bottom of the dumpster, after removeing what looked like household garbage they needed the backhoe to move the rest of it.

JMO

I'm thinking the same thing. It was called a construction dumpster but it seems people might have just helped themselves to using it for everything else. If there were construction materials in it, they'd need some equipment to go through large, heavy pieces. MOO

[rosieposett]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html

Amber Alert -- Dumpster Searched In Putnam Co.

Searchers have cordoned off an area in Putnam County.

Investigators have searched a Dumpster in a subdivision that's approximately a quarter-mile away from the home of Haleigh Cummings.

The contents from the Dumpster has been placed into a second, where investigators are going through the bags one by one.

Investigators are now using a backhoe to sift through debris in the first Dumpster.

According to News 13's Saul Saenz, investigators took pictures of the Dumpster before taking out the contents.

Neighbors told Saenz when cadaver dogs got close to the Dumpster, they started barking.

So more than one cadaver dog hit on the dumpster? Oh, my:sad:

[day2day]

I think we had best get ready for another child murdered and tossed away like garbage, jo.

I hope you are wrong, Janz!

[Janz]

Crazy people! Does anyone have a live local link handy? TIA

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12834381

Been looking at this one.

[TisMeAgain]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

Thanks for the reminder, Blu. I lit mine.

[desmom]

If they find 2 dead squirrels in there it will open up a whole can of worms.

JMO

Don't tell JB.

If you click on the video to the right of the article http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=3 it shows the dumpster earlier today. That thing was over the top full. It appears to have a mattress, tree branches etc. There is also a slide show below the video.

jmo

[sunstar]

the dogs hit on the dumpster about 30 minutes after the LE questioned Ronald at the trailer.

I wonder if there's a connection, like maybe they just asked him which dumpster he & Misty would use for trash? :shrug:

[TaraCrazyHair]

the dogs hit on the dumpster about 30 minutes after the LE questioned Ronald at the trailer.

Was Misty still with detectives or were they finished with her?

[TisMeAgain]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12834381

Been looking at this one.

Thanks, Janz! You guys are awesome! :biggrin:

[breeze53]

I wonder if there's a connection, like maybe they just asked him which dumpster he & Misty would use for trash? :shrug:



Odd isn't it that this came about after Misty was took in for more questions and Ron was took to the trailer.

[kOOkie1]

If they find 2 dead squirrels in there it will open up a whole can of worms.

JMO

!!:wink:!!

[breeze53]

"Nothing of consequence found in dumpster" per investigators


Where did you hear this

[~jomomma~]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose:

thanks blu :crying:

[bluwaters]

Officers Focus On Large Dumpster In Search For Haleigh
Investigator: Cadaver Dog Alerts Officers To Dumpster
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29417174/

[sunstar]

"Nothing of consequence found in dumpster" per investigators

So when was it last emptied? If after Haleigh went missing, I think they should next go to the landfill. MOO

[Janz]

I hope you are wrong, Janz!

I hope I am wrong too, day2day, but it doesn`t look good. Haleigh has been gone for over 2 weeks now... I saw a show once about a body hidden under yard clippings and small tree branches, and I noticed they removed some of these things near the end of removing the bags. Just reminded me of that show.

[breeze53]

CF13 a local channel :)

So are they threw searching threw it:w00t: and thanks!

[TaraCrazyHair]

"Nothing of consequence found in dumpster" per investigators

That shot my latest theory then

Thanks for the update!

[~jomomma~]

CF13 a local channel :)

well, that was quick!

[msgatorslayer]

CF13 a local channel :)

I heard it too. Just walked in and my local news was on. They showed the 9pm PC.

Wow, lots of reading to do.

Here is a link. It's at the top of the page, in red.

http://www.baynews9.com/Home.html

[bluwaters]

Investigators did not find anything in the dumpster pertaining to the case.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=17

[emdragon]

Question?

Today, when Misty was once taken off for questioning, was that when LE had Ron go back with them into the trailer or was it before/after?

TIA!

After. Misti was with him in the truck when he went back to the house.

[lune3]

That's great news!

it IS great news, .....but I wonder why the dogs hit on it, and several dogs apparently, not just one.

[bluwaters]

There was a 9 PM presser?
How did we miss that? :cursing:

[desmom]

CF13 a local channel :)

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html

[kOOkie1]

Investigators did not find anything in the dumpster pertaining to the case.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=132315&catid=17

Wheww..:wub:

[breeze53]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html

3 dogs all hit on the same thing and they were wrong would they really come out and say anything tonight before they told the family? I find it hard to believe 3 dogs hit and all 3 missed. I hope this is true.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Don't dumpsters get emptied by a crew once a week?

[kkmiausa]

Wheww..:wub:If that dumpster wasn't checked before, and there was a body there it is now 3 weeks later and that dumpster contents is long gone. Could this allow them to get away with killing her?? Obviously the body if already dumped is no longer identifiable.

[kkmiausa]

If they find 2 dead squirrels in there it will open up a whole can of worms.

JMO

The report on Nancy Grace said cadaver dogs only identify dead human remains. So if they identified something there it was human

[TaraCrazyHair]

If that dumpster wasn't checked before, and there was a body there it is now 3 weeks later and that dumpster contents is long gone. Could this allow them to get away with killing her?? Obviously the body if already dumped is no longer identifiable.

Then they would head to the landfills as the next logical move

[bluwaters]

The dogs will go out again tomorrow.

Approximately 12 cadaver dogs will be brought back out on Friday.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/26/amber_alert__police_dogs_search_for_haleigh.html

[TaraCrazyHair]

The report on Nancy Grace said cadaver dogs only identify dead human remains. So if they identified something there it was human

That is their purpose .. but for all intent and purpose, they miss and hit on false positives

[sunstar]

Then they would head to the landfills as the next logical move

That's what I'm hoping is the next step. I don't think the dogs would hit on it if it had no connection to Haleigh. MOO

[day2day]

I hope I am wrong too, day2day, but it doesn`t look good. Haleigh has been gone for over 2 weeks now... I saw a show once about a body hidden under yard clippings and small tree branches, and I noticed they removed some of these things near the end of removing the bags. Just reminded me of that show.

2 weeks is a long time for a littleone to be missing. I pray that she is safe and sound somewhere..but I really am beginning to think she isn't.
As for all the "adults" in this mess, I don't see how they can function. I would be a basket case if it was my littleone :(...

[hooked2]

If they find 2 dead squirrels in there it will open up a whole can of worms.

JMO

..........:laugh: Thank you for adding a bit of levity, I needed that!

[Janz]

I heard it too. Just walked in and my local news was on. They showed the 9pm PC.

Wow, lots of reading to do.

Here is a link. It's at the top of the page, in red.

http://www.baynews9.com/Home.html

Thanks Msgator. I will breath a little better now, although I still have the fear and dread Haleigh is no longer with us. Dreadful to think of a little child in a dumpster.

[breeze53]

Seems strange they would be done so soon????

I guess I thought it would take longer since they brought in lights and all:shrug: I have to give it to these folks they all do a great job I couldnt go threw someone else's trash without getting sick:scared:

[lune3]

Seems strange they would be done so soon????

I think so too. That container was stuffed, and it was still a third full a couple of hours ago. So they went through EVERYTHING already?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm not sure I feel relieved. I was hoping this would turn Haleigh up. I'm fearful as the days go by, this will become a Maddie, Trenton, Natalee case. I'd rather know now, than forever wonder. The passage of time since Haleigh disappeared is ominus in ever finding her. If a stranger took her, I doubt, strongly that she is still alive.

moo


I still wonder where Trenton Duckett is but their bodies are so tiny and the elements are so harsh .....

Hopefully this case does not go unanswered

[hooked2]

Don't dumpsters get emptied by a crew once a week?

Not necessarily, some construction dumpsters such as this only get dumped when the renter calls them. Perhaps they have regularly scheduled dumps though. I don't understand that a construction dumpster one football field away would be allowed to dump at all after the night she was reported missing. Perhaps that is when they checked it and released it though? I don't know. Why does it seem everything always end up being within arms reach :cursing:

[IM4Truth]

That's what I'm hoping is the next step. I don't think the dogs would hit on it if it had no connection to Haleigh. MOO

Just heard that GVS will have an update. I tend to agree about the dogs hitting there. Maybe remains were in it prior to being picked up the last time?

[TobyWong]

No way! There were to many LE, combing through that dumpster for a reason. And just after talking to the major players. Plus the do dogs. Something must be happening. imo

[msgatorslayer]

I still wonder where Trenton Duckett is but their bodies are so tiny and the elements are so harsh .....

Hopefully this case does not go unanswered

So do I. I can't even imagine what it is like for these families that never know. Months turn to years or decades. Always wondering what happened. Horrible!!!

[TaraCrazyHair]

They were able to find the body of the woman from Utah where her husband rolled her up in a rug and tossed her in a landfill (forget the name .. mark something?)

So if the dumpster was already dumped .. all they have to do is send the dogs to the landfill

IF there is a body to find

But they better act quickly

[breeze53]

No way! There were to many LE, combing through that dumpster for a reason. And just after talking to the major players. Plus the do dogs. Something must be happening. imo

I think so to. As tight lipped as LE has been they would not come out and say anything this soon anyway. I am not much buying the we didnt find anything story.

[Kelly3820]

Just heard that GVS will have an update. I tend to agree about the dogs hitting there. Maybe remains were in it prior to being picked up the last time?



Maybe Haleigh was in there and moved somewhere else. All three dogs hitting is pretty big news.

[breeze53]

They were able to find the body of the woman from Utah where her husband rolled her up in a rug and tossed her in a landfill (forget the name .. mark something?)

So if the dumpster was already dumped .. all they have to do is send the dogs to the landfill

IF there is a body to find

But they better act quickly


Mark Hacking wasn't it?

[TaraCrazyHair]

So do I. I can't even imagine what it is like for these families that never know. Months turn to years or decades. Always wondering what happened. Horrible!!!

Sometimes there are happy endings

Keep fingers crossed and prayers in God's ears

[msgatorslayer]

No way! There were to many LE, combing through that dumpster for a reason. And just after talking to the major players. Plus the do dogs. Something must be happening. imo

Paraphrasing the Sheriff. I think it was the Sheriff. He said the dogs found nothing. Then said something like, they found something interesting to them. But it was nothing. That it meant nothing to their case.:confused:

He also said another dog was coming in, now, I believe, to have another dog check it out. At this point, I had to leave. My dog really needed to go, lol.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Mark Hacking wasn't it?

That is it .. thank you

(:

But they did find her body in that massive landfill

If this poor child was tossed ... they can find her

IF

[Kelly3820]

To bring back 12 dogs again tomorrow LE must have something that they think Haleigh is near?

[lune3]

Maybe Haleigh was in there and moved somewhere else. All three dogs hitting is pretty big news.

That's what I'm wondering. It would be pretty risky doing that with LE around after Haleigh was missing, but in the middle of the night maybe?
Could be that a perp felt LE was too close for comfort and transported the remains elsewhere?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Paraphrasing the Sheriff. I think it was the Sheriff. He said the dogs found nothing. Then said something like, they found something interesting to them. But it was nothing. That it meant nothing to their case.:confused:

He also said another dog was coming in, now, I believe, to have another dog check it out. At this point, I had to leave. My dog really needed to go, lol.

probably a dead cat

(or two dead squirrels)

[Adalena935]

So do I. I can't even imagine what it is like for these families that never know. Months turn to years or decades. Always wondering what happened. Horrible!!!

It really is just horrible. I think the not knowing would be the worst. They need our prayers. The families and the law enforcement officers.

[threesnugbugs]

I don't understand why in some reports they said the dogs could have hit on "a bandaid from a cut". I thought cadaver dogs didn't hit on things like that. In that case, dogs would be hitting on any garbage bags from any household. There isn't decomp with a cut is there? If this indeed is misinformation, I am upset that such mistakes are made.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I just can't help but feel this is something from within the families

I just do not see a stranger abduction

[Adalena935]

To bring back 12 dogs again tomorrow LE must have something that they think Haleigh is near?

Yes that they suspect she may be near. I think they're being very thorough and I'm glad of that. What an exhausting case.

[Kelly3820]

It really is just horrible. I think the not knowing would be the worst. They need our prayers. The families and the law enforcement officers.



I agree! No parent should be put thru this and for LE they take this so personal like the child is their child. May God Bless them all and keep them strong.

[threesnugbugs]

I don't understand why in some reports they said the dogs could have hit on "a bandaid from a cut". I thought cadaver dogs didn't hit on things like that. In that case, dogs would be hitting on any garbage bags from any household. There isn't decomp with a cut is there? If this indeed is misinformation, I am upset that such mistakes are made.

Bumping my own post as I always seem to post questions at the end of a page on a fast moving thread. Does anyone know the nitty gritty on this?

[kkmiausa]

Mark Hacking wasn't it?

Have you ever been to a landfill? I have unfortunately when we had to replace our garage doors and empty out the garage. Large items have to be taken to the dump. Almost immediately after we emptied out the back of the truck huge tractors with compactors crunched up and turned under all the contents so they were not even identifiable. I can't imagine after 3 weeks going by anything could be found there. The ground looked like a tilled row of farm land. Everything was totally smashed.

[day2day]

It really is just horrible. I think the not knowing would be the worst. They need our prayers. The families and the law enforcement officers.

They sure do Adalena. I will add my prayers to yours. I can't imagine or even pretend to imagine what these people are going through.

[msgatorslayer]

Bumping my own post as I always seem to post questions at the end of a page on a fast moving thread. Does anyone know the nitty gritty on this?

I can't answer that.

I will say that my own dog can sniff out a bandage with blood on it but he is not trained for anything other than keeping the couch warm.:biggrin:

[Kelly3820]

Bumping my own post as I always seem to post questions at the end of a page on a fast moving thread. Does anyone know the nitty gritty on this?



They are trained to find dead humans. Now can they show interest in something and the handler mistakes for a hit maybe. But good dogs and their handlers are pretty remarkable IMO. These special dogs have found a body after I think the longest was 6 or 7 years but I could be wrong.

[sunstar]

I'm not sure I feel relieved. I was hoping this would turn Haleigh up. I'm fearful as the days go by, this will become a Maddie, Trenton, Natalee case. I'd rather know now, than forever wonder. The passage of time since Haleigh disappeared is ominus in ever finding her. If a stranger took her, I doubt, strongly that she is still alive.

moo

Hi friend! I know what you're saying. It would be better to have her found while there could still be some evidence to find out what happened and by whom. I still hold out some hope she's alive like Shasta or Elizabeth, but the chances are so slim. :sad: MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Bumping my own post as I always seem to post questions at the end of a page on a fast moving thread. Does anyone know the nitty gritty on this?


From what i understand .. blood is blood is to these dogs

Dead or alive

I think because once blood is exposed to the air .. there is no such thing as "live blood"

Make sense?

[sunstar]

I'm still thinking that the SO they put in jail over a week ago is involved in this. He may have admitted to something...........thus all the searching today. jmo

Misty was also questioned for about 3 hrs. today and LE went to see Ron before the dogs hit on the dumpster.



Greta's on now and will have something on Haleigh after she gets through with politics.

[Kelly3820]

I know and they brought in lights and all. Perhaps they found something like a bandage with blood and the dogs alerted on that yet did not to the rest of the trash. Still why did they bring out the dogs today to began with. Le said there would be no more searches unless something came up to merit a further search. They seemed to be on a mission searching neighboring trailers especially underneigth them.

Wonder why they took Ron back into the trailer. I cannot help but wonder if it all had anything to do with Misty`s 3 hour interview today. 3 hours after a 5 hour interview the other day seems like a very long time...........unless they are on to something and grilling her in hopes she will break.

From what I heard and read that LE had said there was no tip but they were going over what they had gone over in the beginning.

[Vixerz]

I still wonder where Trenton Duckett is but their bodies are so tiny and the elements are so harsh .....

Hopefully this case does not go unanswered

OT, I know, but I'm a heavy subscriber to the belief that Melissa Duckett shipped him overseas.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I can't answer that.

I will say that my own dog can sniff out a bandage with blood on it but he is not trained for anything other than keeping the couch warm.:biggrin:


And if there were Kotex pads (sorry to be so blunt) in that dumpster, dogs would hit on them

Right?

[playnice]

Listening to the rerun NG. She mentioned the vechicle that was seized.
We still dont know whose vechicle that is.

[kkmiausa]

Misty was also questioned for about 3 hrs. today and LE went to see Ron before the dogs hit on the dumpster.



Greta's on now and will have something on Haleigh after she gets through with politics.

I listened closely to the original 911 tapes and more convinced than ever that Ron accidentally killed Haleigh. No man starts crying and sobbing finding his daughter is gone. He wants help to find her, yelling maybe, and calling for her but not those muffled type sobs and cracked voice. His emotions were raw and real, but it was his grief in having killed her that was coming through. I don't see this guy being the soft male in touch with his feminine side. Not by anything we have seen of him on camera

[Mimi428]

I don't understand why in some reports they said the dogs could have hit on "a bandaid from a cut". I thought cadaver dogs didn't hit on things like that. In that case, dogs would be hitting on any garbage bags from any household. There isn't decomp with a cut is there? If this indeed is misinformation, I am upset that such mistakes are made.

Cadaver dogs are supposed to hit on human remains which have at least started the process of putrefaction, which is different than simple decomposition. Putrefaction in humans includes the breakdown of amines & produces cadaverine & putrescine.

Simple dried blood (even if degraded), such as would be found on bandages which were on a living person, would not be the sort of thing a cadaver dog should hit on.

I'm sure like everything else, errors can occur.

JMO

[caphill]

I'm still thinking that the SO they put in jail over a week ago is involved in this. He may have admitted to something...........thus all the searching today. jmo


I have been thinking the same.

[Adalena935]

I agree! No parent should be put thru this and for LE they take this so personal like the child is their child. May God Bless them all and keep them strong.

Yes I think cases involving children touch them very deeply. I don't blame them. It's a noble job they do for society. I wouldn't want to be in a world without them.

[CanCan]

Maybe it's time for her to turn her show over to Mike Brooks! MOO :smile:

Mike Brooks is awesome! I learn tons when he hosts.

jmo :smile:

[sunstar]

I think Lori Hacking was found in the landfill about 3 months after she was reported missing. There is hope.

LE also have equipment to detect what might be underground, like the shape of objects. MOO

[Kelly3820]

And if there were Kotex pads (sorry to be so blunt) in that dumpster, dogs would hit on them

Right?



These kind of dogs are not trained for blood. They are trained for the scent a dead body gives off. Not dead animals or anything like. The specific scent of a dead human body. Now dogs are dogs some may show interest in something but that is not a hit.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have been thinking the same.


Except that SO was cleared

?

[caphill]

Now that the excitment has quieted down.... I heard on one of the reports today that the LE was ready to turn the trailer back over to Ron. I think the LE took him into the trailer today.