Thursday 2/26 Haleigh Cummings

[beachpatty]

Another day, another prayer, with faith and hope for Haleigh.

Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Well I guess we won't be hearing from Ron anymore.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, SISTER OF RON CUMMINGS: Right now I`m at work. I tried to get a hold of you last night, and I couldn`t. I had to come home to take care of -- I have a daughter myself. And I had to come home and take care of her. But I will be back down there tomorrow. I just wanted to speak on his behalf.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

C. CUMMINGS: Because he was told not to speak to anybody by the detectives.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html



I think some excellent points were made last night on JVM regarding the investigators not ruling anybody out. Usually they rule out family members first. Why hasn't that been done in this case? Why is everyone still a suspect? Why don't they just come out and say ...this one is ruled out and that one is ruled etc, so people can focus on finding Haleigh. Right now, imo, that community is terrified because they don't even know if they can trust their own neighbours. What a nightmare it must be for them. In the meantime, who is looking for Haleigh?

I pray she's found alive. :rose:

[TobyWong]

Good Morning! I was sad last night that it seems like coverage of this case is almost done. I cant fathom going through another day of not having a clue to where my child is.
You know I just dont know what has happened but a theory that popped into my head last night... I think its just as plausible to think one of Ron's "women" could be really upset for him ditiching her (& possibly another child) for yet another younger chick?? Shauna Nelson comes to mind. Dress up to look like a man, maybe she knew where misty would go party, maybe partying w/ someone Ron wouldnt want her to be with..so this other female could take the child (take Ron's heart) the blame would be on misty who is not going to come clean about who she was partying w/. If misty did write that on amber's myspace then you can see the wickedness of a girl who wants what she wants. JAT & JMO My other theory is that misty took the kids partyingw/ her and either haliegh was needing to much attention or she got into something, ingested something,but then misty would have to dispose and lie to LE, she just doesnt look that capable??

[n/t]

Good Morning! I was sad last night that it seems like coverage of this case is almost done. I cant fathom going through another day of not having a clue to where my child is.
You know I just dont know what has happened but a theory that popped into my head last night... I think its just as plausible to think one of Ron's "women" could be really upset for him ditiching her (& possibly another child) for yet another younger chick?? Shauna Nelson comes to mind. Dress up to look like a man, maybe she knew where misty would go party, maybe partying w/ someone Ron wouldnt want her to be with..so this other female could take the child (take Ron's heart) the blame would be on misty who is not going to come clean about who she was partying w/. If misty did write that on amber's myspace then you can see the wickedness of a girl who wants what she wants. JAT & JMO My other theory is that misty took the kids partyingw/ her and either haliegh was needing to much attention or she got into something, ingested something,but then misty would have to dispose and lie to LE, she just doesnt look that capable??


I'll have to agree with one of the TH's. Can't remember if it was NG or JVM.....it's hard to believe that a 17 year old would fool the cops for this long, if she indeed was involved.

[TxLady2]

Good morning, I don't have a clue either. Just when I think I have it figured out, bam! Something else turns up and it leaves me wondering.
I have thought all along that Misty is holding back, but maybe she really doesn't know anything else. I can't see Crystal or her fiance taking one kid and leaving the other, though, just doesn't make sense.
With all the talk about Ron being an informant, and his mother being upset over what Jr. said being said over the media, it really makes me wonder. Seems everybody else down there is getting paranoid too, having their kids sleep in the same room as the parents, and folks locking up before dark.
I noticed that the TH's are puzzled over all these criminal records, the arrests but no convictions... and it looks like quite a few on both sides of the aisle have rap sheets... Ron, his sister, his grandma, Crystal S, her mom, her dad, her fiance... everybody except the little kids.
I am trying to hold out hope that they will find Haleigh alive, but it's looking pretty grim. Two weeks and no sign of her... it's scary!

[Themis]

Good Morning,

Well I guess we won't be hearing from Ron anymore.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, SISTER OF RON CUMMINGS: Right now I`m at work. I tried to get a hold of you last night, and I couldn`t. I had to come home to take care of -- I have a daughter myself. And I had to come home and take care of her. But I will be back down there tomorrow. I just wanted to speak on his behalf.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

C. CUMMINGS: Because he was told not to speak to anybody by the detectives.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html


I think some excellent points were made last night on JVM regarding the investigators not ruling anybody out. Usually they rule out family members first. Why hasn't that been done in this case? Why is everyone still a suspect? Why don't they just come out and say ...this one is ruled out and that one is ruled etc, so people can focus on finding Haleigh. Right now, imo, that community is terrified because they don't even know if they can trust their own neighbours. What a nightmare it must be for them. In the meantime, who is looking for Haleigh?

I pray she's found alive. :rose:
So, now his sister is his spokesperson? Interesting.

Ron Cummings could have made that announcement himself to Jane V-M.

He could have used that last opportunity to make one last public impassioned plea for the return of Haleigh.

[Texas48]

Good Morning! I was sad last night that it seems like coverage of this case is almost done. I cant fathom going through another day of not having a clue to where my child is.
You know I just dont know what has happened but a theory that popped into my head last night... I think its just as plausible to think one of Ron's "women" could be really upset for him ditiching her (& possibly another child) for yet another younger chick?? Shauna Nelson comes to mind. Dress up to look like a man, maybe she knew where misty would go party, maybe partying w/ someone Ron wouldnt want her to be with..so this other female could take the child (take Ron's heart) the blame would be on misty who is not going to come clean about who she was partying w/. If misty did write that on amber's myspace then you can see the wickedness of a girl who wants what she wants. JAT & JMO My other theory is that misty took the kids partyingw/ her and either haliegh was needing to much attention or she got into something, ingested something,but then misty would have to dispose and lie to LE, she just doesnt look that capable??Good morning ALL and how sad we are here another day praying for a child to be found and brought home. Maybe its my age but this type of horrific incidents never seems to end. One case right after another. Now..back to your post Toby..the only problem I have with your thoughts of Misty taking the children w/her to go partying is that, especially Haleigh, is old enough to TALK about it to Ron and I don't know for sure but imo Ron might NOT be happy about it and then again he might not care. Only God knows for certain what happened to this baby. IF..big IF..Misty did take them and something happened to Haleigh there at the "party"...Misty still has to worry about Jr. talking about where they had been and Haleigh did not come home with him and Misty. Too many senarios..too many questions. jmo

[n/t]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132221&catid=3

Heartbreaking.:crying: She's such a cutie. Hope she's found soon. :rose:

[Texas48]

Here I go again..can't get this case off my mind. I have been thinking(scary..huh?) this "person" that came into a home in middle of night...knew Ron was not home..knew Misty was home. Person found a cinder block that was covered with over growth in the backyard ..Even Ron said he did not know there were any bricks in backyard..NO signs of forced entry..ALL certain back door was secured w/deadbolt..Person enters house and seemed to KNOW exactly where Haleigh was sleeping or did this person go through the house w/flashlight checking the people out and where everyone was sleeping then went back and picked up Haleigh (taking the chance she would scream her head off) This person then was able to leave the house w/a five year old little girl. Misty wakes up..finds Haleigh gone..back door open/unlocked and screen door propped open w/cinder block. WHO took Haleigh out of that house? jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning,

Well I guess we won't be hearing from Ron anymore.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, SISTER OF RON CUMMINGS: Right now I`m at work. I tried to get a hold of you last night, and I couldn`t. I had to come home to take care of -- I have a daughter myself. And I had to come home and take care of her. But I will be back down there tomorrow. I just wanted to speak on his behalf.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

C. CUMMINGS: Because he was told not to speak to anybody by the detectives.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html



I think some excellent points were made last night on JVM regarding the investigators not ruling anybody out. Usually they rule out family members first. Why hasn't that been done in this case? Why is everyone still a suspect? Why don't they just come out and say ...this one is ruled out and that one is ruled etc, so people can focus on finding Haleigh. Right now, imo, that community is terrified because they don't even know if they can trust their own neighbours. What a nightmare it must be for them. In the meantime, who is looking for Haleigh?

I pray she's found alive. :rose:


Didn't scott peterson also claim the police advised him not to talk? Absurd, if he has nothing to hide he should be talking his head off in an all out effort to locate Haleigh. I'll say it again, something about all of this smells. Bad.

[Susie419]

So what about the boyfriend of the bio mother?? Just released yesterday that the "day before" Hayleigh went missing, Ron had the bio mom served with court doccuments for payment of back child support totaling in the $3-4 thousand range. Now THAT is a flag IMO...
Also stated mom never called child between visits, so she was not as bonded with her as we might believe.
The "75% sure" person that Ron believes took her is Crystals fiance...elimanate the child, eliminate the debt that he's not anxious to pay when he marries the mother!!
There is animosity between these two families, if I were the doing the investigating, this is where I'd be looking,and I'd guess with good reason..makes me go hmmmmmm...

[Susie419]

I believe the above statements were on the JVM or NG show last evening...in case anyone needed a link.:smile:

Hoping this child is found alive, but not feeling too optimistic:confused:

[Texas48]

I have not a clue on what seems to be going on with this case. I am sure LE is being very tight lipped about this case considering all the other cases in Florida and how they have been handeled.
I had been thinking that if Misti had had her license and a car it would be possible that Haleigh could be anywhere, but since I read last night that she neither had a license or a car that scenerio would fit with this case. I think she was on a very short leash especially for her being responsible for the kids all the time. That is not normally how 17 yos would live their life. I could see it if she had a child of her own but not with someone else's kids.
I for one accept all children and care about them, but I have many years on Misti. I had my first at 19 and there were times that it practically drove me crazy but that was another time indeed.
I also read I believe on last nights thread that Ron, Misti and the mom's boyfriend were all asked to take another LDT. Is this true? You know I have wondered in the back of my mind about the mom's boyfriend since the early begining of this case. Could he have taken Haleigh and put her in a safe place till this all died down. Is it possible that this was done for Crystal's sake? I know there was an issue on child support and with all the ugliness we have seen with the two families I have to wonder.
The other issue is somebody might have taken Haleigh in hopes of collecting a reward for finding this girl.
We saw it happen in England with little Shannon Matthew. This was where the mom and an uncle planned the whole thing with seeing how much of an award was out there for little Maddie.

It is hard to know what goes on in someone's mind when they commit such crimes.
I would think if Haleigh was kidnapped and killed they would have found her body by now. I don't want to accept that this baby is dead, but right from the begining I have not had a sense about her being killed. I hope it is just my not wanting anybody to kill a child, but we know it happens.
I also believe that little JR has told the police more then anybody knows. If we look back on the Jessie Davis case little Blake did tell the authorities what he say. I just wonder if JR was too afraid to get up after that person had taken Haleigh. There are just too many variables on this case and I hope there will be answers forth coming.

jmooVery good post. You said you believe that if Haleigh had been kidnapped and killed that her body would have already been found..with this I would have agreed...before the Caylee Anthony case...Look how long it took someone to find this baby. Also..look how many "missing/kidnapped" children cases we have followed and several of these children have NEVER been found. Said it before..will say it again. TOO MANY questions and so few answers. We need more of the puzzle pieces. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

So, now his sister is his spokesperson? Interesting.

Ron Cummings could have made that announcement himself to Jane V-M.

He could have used that last opportunity to make one last public impassioned plea for the return of Haleigh.

I have never heard of the police telling a parent of a missing child that they could not talk to the media. Have you?

I thought the pastor's comments were interesting as well.

Early on, LE made it clear that they had not forbid ANYONE from talking to the press. This was after Ron's self-imposed exile from the media was asked about.

[n/t]

Here I go again..can't get this case off my mind. I have been thinking(scary..huh?) this "person" that came into a home in middle of night...knew Ron was not home..knew Misty was home. Person found a cinder block that was covered with over growth in the backyard ..Even Ron said he did not know there were any bricks in backyard..NO signs of forced entry..ALL certain back door was secured w/deadbolt..Person enters house and seemed to KNOW exactly where Haleigh was sleeping or did this person go through the house w/flashlight checking the people out and where everyone was sleeping then went back and picked up Haleigh (taking the chance she would scream her head off) This person then was able to leave the house w/a five year old little girl. Misty wakes up..finds Haleigh gone..back door open/unlocked and screen door propped open w/cinder block. WHO took Haleigh out of that house? jmo

The person could've been watching the house for awhile. From what I understand, Ron only started working the night shift about 3 weeks ago so they may have known Misty was alone with the children. We've seen this happen in the Jessica Lunsford case where the perp walks in, grabs the child and nobody hears anything. I question whether the front door may have been unlocked. Maybe that's how they got in. I can't wrap my mind around someone entering through the back door with a dead bolt unless it was left open.

Whoever took her, if this is a stranger abduction knew exactly what to do. Who knows, maybe it's someone who lives in a similar home who knows their way around.

As for Haleigh not making a sound, they could've covered her mouth with something to stop her from screaming. She was asleep so it would be easy for a monster to overpower her. She's only 5. :sad:

[crymeariver2006]

So what about the boyfriend of the bio mother?? Just released yesterday that the "day before" Hayleigh went missing, Ron had the bio mom served with court doccuments for payment of back child support totaling in the $3-4 thousand range. Now THAT is a flag IMO...
Also stated mom never called child between visits, so she was not as bonded with her as we might believe.
The "75% sure" person that Ron believes took her is Crystals fiance...elimanate the child, eliminate the debt that he's not anxious to pay when he marries the mother!!
There is animosity between these two families, if I were the doing the investigating, this is where I'd be looking,and I'd guess with good reason..makes me go hmmmmmm...

Chad would not be held responsible for Crystal's child support, he wouldn't have that debt to eliminate. He'd have more of a motive for taking or harming one of his own children.

JMO

[Armchairdet]

Here I go again..can't get this case off my mind. I have been thinking(scary..huh?) this "person" that came into a home in middle of night...knew Ron was not home..knew Misty was home. Person found a cinder block that was covered with over growth in the backyard ..Even Ron said he did not know there were any bricks in backyard..NO signs of forced entry..ALL certain back door was secured w/deadbolt..Person enters house and seemed to KNOW exactly where Haleigh was sleeping or did this person go through the house w/flashlight checking the people out and where everyone was sleeping then went back and picked up Haleigh (taking the chance she would scream her head off) This person then was able to leave the house w/a five year old little girl. Misty wakes up..finds Haleigh gone..back door open/unlocked and screen door propped open w/cinder block. WHO took Haleigh out of that house? jmo



I've been thinking as well (double scary) and the only way I can see someone risking going in there is this. If they knew the family enough that Haleigh could be shushed with a finger up to the persons lips. In other words Haleigh trusted the adult and would go with them quietly. Also if Misty had woke up and seen them, that this person could talk their way into Misty just letting them go (without Haleigh of course). Perhaps saying they came just to talk. Especially since the door was not broken. Which to me still means there is a possibility a key was hidden somewhere outside, or that at some point someone that they trusted with a key made a copy before returning a key they loaned them.

I was just thinking. I rented a room from a couple that had kids. I am thinking as careful as the parents were that the boys 7 and 5 would have left the home with me at night quietly. Perhaps after knowing them just weeks. Of course this was 25 or so years ago so maybe people were less afraid. And I don't know for a fact they would have left with me because I never tried it, but I could see it happening. So I could see a little girl that has seen her parents with an adult a few times not considering them a stranger anymore. IMO

[n/t]

Didn't scott peterson also claim the police advised him not to talk? Absurd, if he has nothing to hide he should be talking his head off in an all out effort to locate Haleigh. I'll say it again, something about all of this smells. Bad.

I don't know scampi. I honestly don't think Ron had anything to do with it. I still go with my theory that it's someone who was out to get him and what better way to do it than to take the love of his life, his beautiful little girl.:sad:

[Texas48]

Didn't scott peterson also claim the police advised him not to talk? Absurd, if he has nothing to hide he should be talking his head off in an all out effort to locate Haleigh. I'll say it again, something about all of this smells. Bad. Morning Regina and ITA about the smell. Ron has been told by LE "not to talk" and yet his sister can "talk" for him. Hmmmm All too strange..again.jmo

[crymeariver2006]

The pastor's comments raised a red flag. He said Ron mentioned he worked an eight hour day. That's four hours less than what's been in the media. So what is it?

moo

Exactly. IMO, that little "slip of the tongue" wouldn't happen 3 weeks later. And, all LE has said is that Ron was "at work", not what time he got there, nor what time he actually left. Ron also hasn't been cleared. IMO, there's a reason for that.

(Of course, police could come out today and say that the whole family is cleared.)

[Texas48]

So what about the boyfriend of the bio mother?? Just released yesterday that the "day before" Hayleigh went missing, Ron had the bio mom served with court doccuments for payment of back child support totaling in the $3-4 thousand range. Now THAT is a flag IMO...
Also stated mom never called child between visits, so she was not as bonded with her as we might believe.
The "75% sure" person that Ron believes took her is Crystals fiance...elimanate the child, eliminate the debt that he's not anxious to pay when he marries the mother!!
There is animosity between these two families, if I were the doing the investigating, this is where I'd be looking,and I'd guess with good reason..makes me go hmmmmmm... With RESPECT..I disagree. I do agree about the animosity btw the families but I don't think that is all that unusual either. One sees that many times over in families. jmo

[Themis]

I have never heard of the police telling a parent of a missing child that they could not talk to the media. Have you?

I thought the pastor's comments were interesting as well.

Early on, LE made it clear that they had not forbid ANYONE from talking to the press. This was after Ron's self-imposed exile from the media was asked about.
Referring to your post #18.

No, Cry, I have never heard of LE telling a parent of a missing child that they could not talk to the media.

I could see LE, in being very kind to unsophisticated people, privately remind a person that no one is compelled to speak to the media.

Sorry I don't know which pastor's comments you mean. I don't want to impose on your time but would appreciate being pointed to those comments. TIA. [JMO]

[PBJMOM4]

Hoping for some GOOD NEWS today!
Doesn't seem to be much happening down there.

[Texas48]

The person could've been watching the house for awhile. From what I understand, Ron only started working the night shift about 3 weeks ago so they may have known Misty was alone with the children. We've seen this happen in the Jessica Lunsford case where the perp walks in, grabs the child and nobody hears anything. I question whether the front door may have been unlocked. Maybe that's how they got in. I can't wrap my mind around someone entering through the back door with a dead bolt unless it was left open.

Whoever took her, if this is a stranger abduction knew exactly what to do. Who knows, maybe it's someone who lives in a similar home who knows their way around.

As for Haleigh not making a sound, they could've covered her mouth with something to stop her from screaming. She was asleep so it would be easy for a monster to overpower her. She's only 5. :sad: I know Haleigh is 5 years old and I feel someone would have had to keep her quite..the problem I have is HOW did this person know where and what bed Haleigh was sleeping in? Does a "kidnapper" take the time to go through all the bedrooms/house to find Haleigh?

[Texas48]

I've been thinking as well (double scary) and the only way I can see someone risking going in there is this. If they knew the family enough that Haleigh could be shushed with a finger up to the persons lips. In other words Haleigh trusted the adult and would go with them quietly. Also if Misty had woke up and seen them, that this person could talk their way into Misty just letting them go (without Haleigh of course). Perhaps saying they came just to talk. Especially since the door was not broken. Which to me still means there is a possibility a key was hidden somewhere outside, or that at some point someone that they trusted with a key made a copy before returning a key they loaned them.

I was just thinking. I rented a room from a couple that had kids. I am thinking as careful as the parents were that the boys 7 and 5 would have left the home with me at night quietly. Perhaps after knowing them just weeks. Of course this was 25 or so years ago so maybe people were less afraid. And I don't know for a fact they would have left with me because I never tried it, but I could see it happening. So I could see a little girl that has seen her parents with an adult a few times not considering them a stranger anymore. IMO
Very good points Arm.

[crymeariver2006]

Referring to your post #18.

No, Cry, I have never heard of LE telling a parent of a missing child that they could not talk to the media.

I could see LE, in being very kind to unsophisticated people, privately remind a person that no one is compelled to speak to the media.

Sorry I don't know which pastor's comments you mean. I don't want to impose on your time but would appreciate being pointed to those comments. TIA. [JMO]

spent an hour and a half with him last night. He told me last night -- we were out in the middle of the cold in North Florida. Believe it or not, it does get cold in North Florida. We were out in the middle of North Florida, and he told me this. He said, "Pastor," he said, "I kissed my daughter, went to work, trying to make an honest living, trying to make an honest wage. I came home eight hours later, and she was gone."


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

(If you look at the transcript, the statement was right under one from Parco, and not attributed to the pastor. BUT it was the pastor.)

[crymeariver2006]

I know Haleigh is 5 years old and I feel someone would have had to keep her quite..the problem I have is HOW did this person know where and what bed Haleigh was sleeping in? Does a "kidnapper" take the time to go through all the bedrooms/house to find Haleigh?

They would have had to have searched all the bedrooms first, and from the floor plan they would have had to walk right past the master bedroom to do that. Wouldn't they?

Was the master bedroom door open or closed?

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Too many days are passing by, praying she will be found today...

[Texas48]

They would have had to have searched all the bedrooms first, and from the floor plan they would have had to walk right past the master bedroom to do that. Wouldn't they?

Was the master bedroom door open or closed?Don't know about the Master BR door being opened or closed cry. The thought of HOW this person found which bed Haleigh was sleeping in troubles me/can't get it out of my thoughts. HOW they got into the house? WHAT would have made them think Misty would NOT have woke up? WHAT would make them think Ron might not have come home early that one night? Was this person already hiding somewhere in the house therefore NO forced entry? As you can well see I am shaking my head just in the last case we followed/still following. ALL is JMO

[Themis]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

(If you look at the transcript, the statement was right under one from Parco, and not attributed to the pastor. BUT it was the pastor.)
Referring to your post #33

Well, well, well, isn't that an interesting comment.

8 hour shifts are the most common. 12 hour shifts are unusual enough that I cannot imagine getting the 2 mixed up or confused. hmmm

Thanks, Cry, for taking the time to bring that to my attention. Frankly, I am too frustrated with all these THs making so many errors on basic facts that I have stopped watching them. Only when I get a heads up here based on a promo or someone points me in the direction of a transcript do I know what latest 'bombshell' has dropped. I do access most of the links posted here by kind folks + reading the links section which has grown so large.

I cannot even imagine how frustrated all the LE personnel must be by now. [JMO]

[iluvmua]

I really don't think that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's vanishing.

[Armchairdet]

I was thinking about empty houses that someone may have taken her to. I mean with foreclosures being somewhat common in some areas of Florida, it seems it may be easier for someone to hide out like that. Not much of a chance of anyone checking it out, especially if it is rural. I hope they are checking abandoned and foreclosed homes, out buildings, etc. I would imagine someone who could sneak into an occupied home without causing any obvious damage to the door, could get into an unoccupied home just as easily. IMO

[Themis]

They would have had to have searched all the bedrooms first, and from the floor plan they would have had to walk right past the master bedroom to do that. Wouldn't they?

Was the master bedroom door open or closed?
Yes, a kidnapper would have to have passed the MBR first IF access was truly through the side/back door according to the plan I have seen here. However, do we know for a fact that it is an actual floor of that particular Mobile Home?

But assuming the floor plan is correct AND they came in that always locked side/back door. Nothing I have read has convinced me the side/back door was used. All I have to go on is that LE has stated there is no sign of forced entry. Sorry, both RC and MC have been too inconsistent in their statements to the press for me to believe much of anything they say. As for MBR door open or closed I don't recall ever reading Misty saying one way or the other. [JMO]

[FrankieBones1]

The pastor's comments raised a red flag. He said Ron mentioned he worked an eight hour day. That's four hours less than what's been in the media. So what is it?

moo

I noticed that, too. He said that Ron had come back eight hours later. That would mean he left at 7:30pm for work. I think he meant eight hours at work so he would have started work at 7pm. The pastor should not have spoken for the family at all if he can't get his facts straight.

And he told the audience that Ron had told him that the night before last.

[crymeariver2006]

I really don't think that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's vanishing.

Maybe not directly involved, however IF she accidentally left the door open or unlocked, she would be indirectly involved (so to speak).

One thing I know, if she passed the first polygraph as she claims, there wouldn't be a need for a next one or a next one.

JMO

[Texas48]

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/16/2441536-update-teenage-caretaker-of-missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it"45" SEX Offenders" in a 5 mile radius. This is ridiculous..Something/someone has to figure out WHAT to do with ALL SO. OUR COUNTRY...USA should be outraged that SO are allowed to live in our communities. Yet..what do you do with them? There are SO MANY that are registered and SO MANY that we don't even know about untill they are caught..By then it is TOO late for children they have abused/murdered. Ranting again..gotta stop..gets my blood pressure up. jmo

[Armchairdet]

I noticed that, too. He said that Ron had come back eight hours later. That would mean he left at 7:30pm for work. I think he meant eight hours at work so he would have started work at 7pm. The pastor should not have spoken for the family at all if he can't get his facts straight.

And he told the audience that Ron had told him that the night before last.


I also wonder if he can get away with leaving during his shift without being noticed. How many people is he around working that shift? How close to each other do they work? Is he alone in an area? Does anyone see him? What exactly does he do? Is he digging for a bridge? You know, moving dirt with heavy equipment?

[crymeariver2006]

I noticed that, too. He said that Ron had come back eight hours later. That would mean he left at 7:30pm for work. I think he meant eight hours at work so he would have started work at 7pm. The pastor should not have spoken for the family at all if he can't get his facts straight.

And he told the audience that Ron had told him that the night before last.

But if he went to work at at 3:30 or 4:00 (which has never wavered) he would have gotten off at 12:00. Then the 911 call would be 3 1/2 hours later.

The pastor did seem to be talking too much, even answering for other guests IIRC.

But nobody can get their facts straight and they are family! Ron's mom says he's worked nights for 5 to 6 weeks, Crystal the Sister says it was 3 weeks; Ron's mom and sister talk about the fight and the gun, Ron says there was no fight......I mean really.....

[Themis]

"45" SEX Offenders" in a 5 mile radius. This is ridiculous..Something/someone has to figure out WHAT to do with ALL SO. OUR COUNTRY...USA should be outraged that SO are allowed to live in our communities. Yet..what do you do with them? There are SO MANY that are registered and SO MANY that we don't even know about untill they are caught..By then it is TOO late for children they have abused/murdered. Ranting again..gotta stop..gets my blood pressure up. jmo
I am just outraged at the number of RSO within a 5 mile radius in this case. I just outraged period at the large number of RSO. For Levels 2 and 3 RSO ... there should be a Devil's Island someone to ship them to. Remember the movie Papillon? [JMO]

[crymeariver2006]

"45" SEX Offenders" in a 5 mile radius. This is ridiculous..Something/someone has to figure out WHAT to do with ALL SO. OUR COUNTRY...USA should be outraged that SO are allowed to live in our communities. Yet..what do you do with them? There are SO MANY that are registered and SO MANY that we don't even know about untill they are caught..By then it is TOO late for children they have abused/murdered. Ranting again..gotta stop..gets my blood pressure up. jmo

I wonder how many of those RSO's are registered because they slept with their underage girlfriend and how many are the Couey/Westerfield types that have actually pulled off a kidnapping without making a sound? (Wouldn't they still be in prison if they did?).

[CelticDawn]

"45" SEX Offenders" in a 5 mile radius. This is ridiculous..Something/someone has to figure out WHAT to do with ALL SO. OUR COUNTRY...USA should be outraged that SO are allowed to live in our communities. Yet..what do you do with them? There are SO MANY that are registered and SO MANY that we don't even know about untill they are caught..By then it is TOO late for children they have abused/murdered. Ranting again..gotta stop..gets my blood pressure up. jmo

what SHOULD be done with SOs is at the very least a bannable offense....at the very most a very long prison stretch!

[bookie]

Just because Haleigh is missing or maybe not alive would not have erased the debt. Getting rid of Haleigh for this motive would have been fruitless- the fact would still stand that Crystal was behind on child support- if fact- and there is still Jr. that is fine. Bio moms boyfriend would not take one child and not the other. IMOO



Taking both children would point directly to Crystal, taking 1 would put suspicion on practically anyone. I'm not saying they took Haleigh, just pointing out that by taking only 1 it would leave plenty of doubt as to who took her.

[CANDYKISSES]

So, now his sister is his spokesperson? Interesting.

Ron Cummings could have made that announcement himself to Jane V-M.

He could have used that last opportunity to make one last public impassioned plea for the return of Haleigh.

How is that possible if HE WAS TOLD BY LE not to talk to anyone? :confused:

[breeze53]

Didn't scott peterson also claim the police advised him not to talk? Absurd, if he has nothing to hide he should be talking his head off in an all out effort to locate Haleigh. I'll say it again, something about all of this smells. Bad.


I so agree with you something stinks bad here. I pray today is the day we hear something. Off to clean so i can join all you good people later.:laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

So what about the boyfriend of the bio mother?? Just released yesterday that the "day before" Hayleigh went missing, Ron had the bio mom served with court doccuments for payment of back child support totaling in the $3-4 thousand range. Now THAT is a flag IMO...
Also stated mom never called child between visits, so she was not as bonded with her as we might believe.
The "75% sure" person that Ron believes took her is Crystals fiance...elimanate the child, eliminate the debt that he's not anxious to pay when he marries the mother!!
There is animosity between these two families, if I were the doing the investigating, this is where I'd be looking,and I'd guess with good reason..makes me go hmmmmmm...

ITA Susie and have always maintained that Crystal didn't have the maternal feelings we all count on from women regarding Haleigh once I saw her myspace. I'm also not ruling out the possibility of a settlement from Crystal's car accident and trying to hide money. JMO tho. :huh:

I don't rule out something happening inside the home, but just don't have that kind of drive after seeing Misty speaking out, but you never know.

[CANDYKISSES]

Taking both children would point directly to Crystal, taking 1 would put suspicion on practically anyone. I'm not saying they took Haleigh, just pointing out that by taking only 1 it would leave plenty of doubt as to who took her.

Yup, it sure would. It appears some posters think the child support thing is no biggie, but the contempt order being taken off the table UNTIL HALEIGH IS FOUND and the idea it's insignificant are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS IMO. :sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning,

Well I guess we won't be hearing from Ron anymore.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, SISTER OF RON CUMMINGS: Right now I`m at work. I tried to get a hold of you last night, and I couldn`t. I had to come home to take care of -- I have a daughter myself. And I had to come home and take care of her. But I will be back down there tomorrow. I just wanted to speak on his behalf.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

C. CUMMINGS: Because he was told not to speak to anybody by the detectives.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html



I think some excellent points were made last night on JVM regarding the investigators not ruling anybody out. Usually they rule out family members first. Why hasn't that been done in this case? Why is everyone still a suspect? Why don't they just come out and say ...this one is ruled out and that one is ruled etc, so people can focus on finding Haleigh. Right now, imo, that community is terrified because they don't even know if they can trust their own neighbours. What a nightmare it must be for them. In the meantime, who is looking for Haleigh?

I pray she's found alive. :rose:



I agree with you...but I believe that the poly's are being sent to another agency for a second review.....meanwhile I believe that the LE is just keeping it open to keep all of them on their toes....

I honestly believe that Misy had a few errors on her poly....(it's JUST my opinion)....but LE might not want to release it because of what Ron might do to her and then LE will be held responsible....I do not believe that Misty harmed Haleigh in anyway....but she just may have left the children alone and went out.....(which is a very bad thing to do, you never know when someone may be watching you) which is what I think happened here.....JMOO

[crymeariver2006]

Yup, it sure would. It appears some posters think the child support thing is no biggie, but the contempt order being taken off the table UNTIL HALEIGH IS FOUND and the idea it's insignificant are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS IMO. :sneaky:


I don't think the child support is NOT a biggie! In fact, had we heard this the first day, Crystal would have been my #1 suspect - as she should be. She would be the most logical suspect in LE's eyes because custody disputes are always questioned first.

By the same token, people think that Ron's drug and other arrests are not a biggie. I think they are.

I think any time a person (or persons) shows a propensity for breaking the law, it HAS to be looked at as part of the investigation.

Seems everybody in this case has a record. Since Misty's a minor and if she has one, it's sealed...but IF she has one, it might be eye popping as well.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe not directly involved, however IF she accidentally left the door open or unlocked, she would be indirectly involved (so to speak).

One thing I know, if she passed the first polygraph as she claims, there wouldn't be a need for a next one or a next one.

JMO



I think they all assumed they had passed because LE just said that "it went well".....no test results have been publicized yet...not even to the ones that took it....

At least this family all submitted to a polygraph.....that's more then the Anthony family could say....NONE of them agreed to take one.....

[Erin26GA]

How is that possible if HE WAS TOLD BY LE not to talk to anyone? :confused:

This is JMO!!!!!!!!!

But, I am so sick of hearing the family say this isn't true..or that isn't true...and the complaining about what is said in the media. The police are not telling ANYTHING..how is the public suppose to help if we have nothing to go on. Eventually, and I hate to say it...but I think this case is going to be just another missing persons case, like so many others. If the family wants the publics help, they need to be throwing out some kind of info. Already last night Nancy Grace didn't even mention Hayleigh. When the cousin called in to JVM..what was her point? To rant about things that were being said?. When the media and the public gets fed up with their crap, they'll be begging for help. I pray that Hayleigh comes home safe to her family. I just wish they would give us SOMETHING to go on. Oh, and who in the world was Connie Sheffield?? Step Grandmother?!!??! She looked 16 years old! Strange family.

JMO, JMO, IMHO, JMO, JMO...LOL

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think the child support is NOT a biggie! In fact, had we heard this the first day, Crystal would have been my #1 suspect - as she should be. She would be the most logical suspect in LE's eyes because custody disputes are always questioned first.

By the same token, people think that Ron's drug and other arrests are not a biggie. I think they are.

I think any time a person (or persons) shows a propensity for breaking the law, it HAS to be looked at as part of the investigation.

Seems everybody in this case has a record. Since Misty's a minor and if she has one, it's sealed...but IF she has one, it might be eye popping as well.

JMO


There is a difference between support payments and back support payments......back support payment come when support is filed for and the court can go back 3 years...that money can only be gotten if the receiver of payments puts in for it at a seperate hearing...Most of the time the receiver will not bother because they don't expect to get it in any case, they just accept the current support payments....However...it remains on the record in court as being back child support......

Just about anyone who pays child support will have "back support due"...but it is not enforced by the law until the receiver actually goes to a second hearing for....and the odds are not too good in getting it if the payee has other responsibilites and doesn't make too much money....

So, I don't put too much on Christy's back support due.....JMOO

[Barbara fl.]

I am just outraged at the number of RSO within a 5 mile radius in this case. I just outraged period at the large number of RSO. For Levels 2 and 3 RSO ... there should be a Devil's Island someone to ship them to. Remember the movie Papillon? [JMO]



I agree, they should all be put on an island.....

[bookie]

This is JMO!!!!!!!!!

But, I am so sick of hearing the family say this isn't true..or that isn't true...and the complaining about what is said in the media. The police are not telling ANYTHING..how is the public suppose to help if we have nothing to go on. Eventually, and I hate to say it...but I think this case is going to be just another missing persons case, like so many others. If the family wants the publics help, they need to be throwing out some kind of info. Already last night Nancy Grace didn't even mention Hayleigh. When the cousin called in to JVM..what was her point? To rant about things that were being said?. When the media and the public gets fed up with their crap, they'll be begging for help. I pray that Hayleigh comes home safe to her family. I just wish they would give us SOMETHING to go on. Oh, and who in the world was Connie Sheffield?? Step Grandmother?!!??! She looked 16 years old! Strange family.

JMO, JMO, IMHO, JMO, JMO...LOL

The family has "thrown out" all they can. They have shared pictures of Haleigh with the public via the media. The public knows when Haleigh disappeared and where from. We know what she looks like, her size and all of the pertinent info about her. If they don't know who took her there is nothing more they can share.

The family has been begging for help. Ron begged TES to stay and search. He begged the police to keep searching.

[IlliniFan]

GM all

Maybe Ron is no longer speaking (which is weird) because he now has a lawyer?

Or:

Ron is/was a police informant and LE wants the questions from the press regarding the issue to stop?

btw ty to all for posting the morning links...


imo

also, I missed the pastor mentioning an 8 hour shift. I honestly have NO idea what Ron's work schedule was. I thought AMW stated it was 4pm - 3am???

[kOOkie1]

I pray today is the day this child is found

Haleigh Home Video-

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d25-Home-video-of-Haleigh-released

[Mandysmom]

The family has "thrown out" all they can. They have shared pictures of Haleigh with the public via the media. The public knows when Haleigh disappeared and where from. We know what she looks like, her size and all of the pertinent info about her. If they don't know who took her there is nothing more they can share.

The family has been begging for help. Ron begged TES to stay and search. He begged the police to keep searching.
I agree. The only thing happening from continuing to talk to the media is misinformation, charges of being a drug informant etc.

The focus of looking for Haleigh became secondary to questions being asked about his personal life.

I remember the same thing happening in the Van Dam case, where the parents were blamed for their lifestyle, which in the end had nothing to do with the monster who killed their daughter.

[KKKKKKatie]

I read on the TES website that they were "dismissed" by LE. They were planning to stay longer.

In my personal opinion, the only reason I can think they would be dismissed is because LE had determined Ron or Misty had killed Haleigh (just my opinion).


sure makes you wonder....doesn't it!

[crymeariver2006]

Didn't scott peterson also claim the police advised him not to talk? Absurd, if he has nothing to hide he should be talking his head off in an all out effort to locate Haleigh. I'll say it again, something about all of this smells. Bad.


Yes, but he did always call Laci by her name. He never said "whoever has my wife" or said "she's not your property".

That bugs me. But that's just me.

[Barbara fl.]

The family has "thrown out" all they can. They have shared pictures of Haleigh with the public via the media. The public knows when Haleigh disappeared and where from. We know what she looks like, her size and all of the pertinent info about her. If they don't know who took her there is nothing more they can share.

The family has been begging for help. Ron begged TES to stay and search. He begged the police to keep searching.



I agree....They have cooperated very much in this whole ordeal....they want Haleigh back.....I can very well understand that.....

[Tia]

I read on the TES website that they were "dismissed" by LE. They were planning to stay longer.

In my personal opinion, the only reason I can think they would be dismissed is because LE had determined Ron or Misty had killed Haleigh (just my opinion).

I've been following on and off.

So LE dismissed TES? That is very interesting. It is beginning to look as if it could be Ron of Misty. Is it true that Ron has lawyered up?

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. The only thing happening from continuing to talk to the media is misinformation, charges of being a drug informant etc.

The focus of looking for Haleigh became secondary to questions being asked about his personal life.

I remember the same thing happening in the Van Dam case, where the parents were blamed for their lifestyle, which in the end had nothing to do with the monster who killed their daughter.


Exactly.....What are they finding so hard to believe? An abduction? It happens all the time...more so then family members....That is because they don't put these creeps away long enough....they roam the street, they stalk, they rape, they murder our little children.....I don't understand why they are putting so much emphasis on this family...they should be looking for the &$#%@ that took this child.....JMOO

[IlliniFan]

This is the pastor from last night:


I spent an hour and a half with him last night. He told me last night -- we were out in the middle of the cold in North Florida. Believe it or not, it does get cold in North Florida. We were out in the middle of North Florida, and he told me this. He said, "Pastor," he said, "I kissed my daughter, went to work, trying to make an honest living, trying to make an honest wage. I came home eight hours later, and she was gone."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

Someone said the previous link didn't work, but it did for me. Above is the statement made by ron's pastor on JVM show.

Maybe the pastor mispoke???

[Barbara fl.]

I have stopped watching JVM...I'm tired of her attitude towards men...In her eyes they have to be the ones that are wrong....Hasn't she ever heard of women criminals?....I really do not care for her attitude....and she rarely knows what she is saying.....she puts on that voice of authority that really goes thru me....


I think she is the one with the "issues"......JMOO

[breeze53]

How is that possible if HE WAS TOLD BY LE not to talk to anyone? :confused:


If LE is telling him not to talk I think if I was Ron I would be getting myself a lawyer.

[Barbara fl.]

This is the pastor from last night:


I spent an hour and a half with him last night. He told me last night -- we were out in the middle of the cold in North Florida. Believe it or not, it does get cold in North Florida. We were out in the middle of North Florida, and he told me this. He said, "Pastor," he said, "I kissed my daughter, went to work, trying to make an honest living, trying to make an honest wage. I came home eight hours later, and she was gone."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

Someone said the previous link didn't work, but it did for me. Above is the statement made by ron's pastor on JVM show.

Maybe the pastor mispoke???



You can not take every word to be gospel....when someone speaks....most of the time they are just assuming times and days etc...

Last night NG said that Casey hadn't worked since 2003 and she even specified that she hadn't worked in 6 years to validify the date.....when that is not the truth...it was 2006 while she was seeing Jesse Grund and after Caylee was born....So not evry word can be taken as being accurate......JMOO

[CC I See]

Dog Teams Specializing in Looking For Human Remains Have Been Called to Putnam County Today.


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-26/story/dogs_sent_to_search_for_haleigh...sorry, I don't remember the poster who stated this theory. But she said that the area is full of septic tanks.... so easy to throw a body down one.

My personal theory is that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, this could be where she hid her. Either in a septic tank or in the water close by. Remember how close to home Caylee was? I believe that Haleigh is as well.

Cadaver dogs should be able to pick this scent up.... weren't they only using tracking dogs before?

I do not believe in a mysterious man in black took her theory at all. I also believe that Misty has a strong motive to have done this.

[FrankieBones1]

I also wonder if he can get away with leaving during his shift without being noticed. How many people is he around working that shift? How close to each other do they work? Is he alone in an area? Does anyone see him? What exactly does he do? Is he digging for a bridge? You know, moving dirt with heavy equipment?
He is a crane operator. Not sure about the conditions at the work site. I'm sure that he is not directly involved in her disappearance.

[Politigal]

I think it's a wise decision for law enforcement to bring in the dogs again...Haleigh could have been moved since she was taken...

Hoping this leads to someone or someplace *today*

[IlliniFan]

You can not take every word to be gospel....when someone speaks....most of the time they are just assuming times and days etc...

Last night NG said that Casey hadn't worked since 2003 and she even specified that she hadn't worked in 6 years to validify the date.....when that is not the truth...it was 2006 while she was seeing Jesse Grund and after Caylee was born....So not evry word can be taken as being accurate......JMOO

Oh I know. Those shows can be frustrating. Often they have these "breaking news" banners, but the information they are talking about is just old news.

I'm still thinking Misty might have left the trailer for a bit, and some perv that had been watching the family took her....

[Tia]

If LE is telling him not to talk I think if I was Ron I would be getting myself a lawyer.


Hi Breeze! So he does or doesn't have a lawyer?

[beachpatty]

Dog Teams Specializing in Looking For Human Remains Have Been Called to Putnam County Today.


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-26/story/dogs_sent_to_search_for_haleigh




O my.....I have had a nagging feeling all along that maybe Ron did get angry @ Haleigh for wetting the bed or whatever reason and the disipline went too far. I can fully imagine him forming a story and, to keep Misty as uninvolved as possible, the "I woke up and she was gone" story. Using that would be the best possible way not to get caught up in the possibility of 2 people, having the same story but with extensive questioning and prodding, one persons story may begin to vary. and crack.
Added to that, the fact that LE dismissed Equisearch, they must have other information, why else send them away? It will be interesting if we find out that the Ron's shifts are 8 hours, why has no one corrected that info before, that was one of the important factors to me, since the beginning, part of the mental elimination process, I guess.
I will not be surprised if there is not an end to the search today, albeit, not the conclusion everyone wants to hear.

This is all my own opinion, I certainly hope I am wrong, I got a chill when I read the above post. I pray I am wrong.

Beachpatty
MOO

[FrankieBones1]

I don't think septic tanks are accessible.

Mine has two large, concrete lids. It takes quite an effort for me to lift one and I believe I am stronger than Misty but certainly and probably weaker than an SO in that neighbourhood.

Some tanks have those new light weight plastic lids. Easy to lift.

[JD1974]

There is a difference between support payments and back support payments......back support payment come when support is filed for and the court can go back 3 years...that money can only be gotten if the receiver of payments puts in for it at a seperate hearing...Most of the time the receiver will not bother because they don't expect to get it in any case, they just accept the current support payments....However...it remains on the record in court as being back child support......

Just about anyone who pays child support will have "back support due"...but it is not enforced by the law until the receiver actually goes to a second hearing for....and the odds are not too good in getting it if the payee has other responsibilites and doesn't make too much money....

So, I don't put too much on Christy's back support due.....JMOO



That is true in some cases but I am betting everything I have he went through the state for his support. The state will pick it up for you once the non-custodial parent is behind by so much. The custodial parent does not have to do anything, here it is called Friend of the Court, no idea what it is called in FL. Also when you go through the state that is when you get drivers licenses revoked, leins on property/vehicles, income taxes, the state does all of that for you.

[crymeariver2006]

Or, he went in later.

That's the thing....the time he started work has never wavered from either 3:30 or 4:00.

If he went in later, wouldn't he have been seen or talked to by Misty's brother, the A/C guy, or Ron's grandma who was dropping off the clothes? That's never been mentioned.

:shrug:

[breeze53]

Hi Breeze! So he does or doesn't have a lawyer?

Hey Tia no I dont think any of them do.:scared:

[JD1974]

That's the thing....the time he started work has never wavered from either 3:30 or 4:00.

If he went in later, wouldn't he have been seen or talked to by Misty's brother, the A/C guy, or Ron's grandma who was dropping off the clothes? That's never been mentioned.

:shrug:

The way I took the 8 hrs is that's what most people work so that's what came out.

[HI_CYCLE]

If LE is telling him not to talk I think if I was Ron I would be getting myself a lawyer.
Why?????? if he is innocent and IMO he is, why feed the attorney`s??
I would suggest to everyone that LE has strongly suggested to Ronald that he not speak to media so the attention can get back on Haleigh instead of him.
As far as the mother`s side of the family, maybe LE wants them to keep running their gator. I am sure LE is analyzing every word spoken by Crystal and her family including her boy friend.

Someone posted her boy friend would NOT be liable for paying Crystal`s child support. You are absolutely correct. BUT......... Is he going to stand by and see her go to jail for contempt of court or will he pay it for her??? Just something to think about.

[Tia]

Hey Tia no I dont think any of them do.:scared:


Thanks Breeze! I thought I read here that Ron did, wasn't sure.

[crymeariver2006]

O my.....I have had a nagging feeling all along that maybe Ron did get angry @ Haleigh for wetting the bed or whatever reason and the disipline went too far. I can fully imagine him forming a story and, to keep Misty as uninvolved as possible, the "I woke up and she was gone" story. Using that would be the best possible way not to get caught up in the possibility of 2 people, having the same story but with extensive questioning and prodding, one persons story may begin to vary. and crack.
Added to that, the fact that LE dismissed Equisearch, they must have other information, why else send them away? It will be interesting if we find out that the Ron's shifts are 8 hours, why has no one corrected that info before, that was one of the important factors to me, since the beginning, part of the mental elimination process, I guess.
I will not be surprised if there is not an end to the search today, albeit, not the conclusion everyone wants to hear.

This is all my own opinion, I certainly hope I am wrong, I got a chill when I read the above post. I pray I am wrong.

Beachpatty
MOO

Now hold on.....the pastor *could* have misspoke, I don't believe he would lie about something like that, but he could have just rattled it off without thinking. And he *could* be repeating Ron's words verbatim. He (the pastor) seemed to be talking A LOT!

I don't know either way, but it sure got the attention of a few of us! Now if they bring the pastor in for questioning.....that's a whole 'nother story!

[breeze53]

O my.....I have had a nagging feeling all along that maybe Ron did get angry @ Haleigh for wetting the bed or whatever reason and the disipline went too far. I can fully imagine him forming a story and, to keep Misty as uninvolved as possible, the "I woke up and she was gone" story. Using that would be the best possible way not to get caught up in the possibility of 2 people, having the same story but with extensive questioning and prodding, one persons story may begin to vary. and crack.
Added to that, the fact that LE dismissed Equisearch, they must have other information, why else send them away? It will be interesting if we find out that the Ron's shifts are 8 hours, why has no one corrected that info before, that was one of the important factors to me, since the beginning, part of the mental elimination process, I guess.
I will not be surprised if there is not an end to the search today, albeit, not the conclusion everyone wants to hear.

This is all my own opinion, I certainly hope I am wrong, I got a chill when I read the above post. I pray I am wrong.

Beachpatty
MOO


My hinky meter says shes right near that house:cursing: and my hinkey meter has been right about serveral things just ask Tia she knows. :w00t:

[breeze53]

Thanks Breeze! I thought I read here that Ron did, wasn't sure.


No but my hinkey meter is saying the child is not far from that trailer. Hope they find her today.

[purplepoints]

That is true in some cases but I am betting everything I have he went through the state for his support. The state will pick it up for you once the non-custodial parent is behind by so much. The custodial parent does not have to do anything, here it is called Friend of the Court, no idea what it is called in FL. Also when you go through the state that is when you get drivers licenses revoked, leins on property/vehicles, income taxes, the state does all of that for you.

Just curious, and I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but does Florida jail parents who are behind on their child support? Here in Kentucky, if you get very far behind on your payments and don't make some sort of effort to pay it, you can serve time. My brother-in-law is constantly in and out of jail for not paying his.

[crymeariver2006]

After the GR fiasco I wouldn't talk anymore either.

The incident with Geraldo shouldn't stop him from talking to the media. Nancy Grace has been giving him a fair, open platform. So has Greta and so has the local media.

I just don't believe that the police would tell the parent of a missing child that they can't talk to the media.

JMO and all that.

[Tia]

My hinky meter says shes right near that house:cursing: and my hinkey meter has been right about serveral things just ask Tia she knows. :w00t:

Absolutely!!! We call her Breeze "Hinky Meter" 53!!

Wouldn't dogs have picked up her scent though?

[crymeariver2006]

My hinky meter says shes right near that house:cursing: and my hinkey meter has been right about serveral things just ask Tia she knows. :w00t:

Statistically speaking, she would definitely be near the house. Isn't it like within a mile of the home where most victims are located?

[CANDYKISSES]

O my.....I have had a nagging feeling all along that maybe Ron did get angry @ Haleigh for wetting the bed or whatever reason and the disipline went too far. I can fully imagine him forming a story and, to keep Misty as uninvolved as possible, the "I woke up and she was gone" story. Using that would be the best possible way not to get caught up in the possibility of 2 people, having the same story but with extensive questioning and prodding, one persons story may begin to vary. and crack.
Added to that, the fact that LE dismissed Equisearch, they must have other information, why else send them away? It will be interesting if we find out that the Ron's shifts are 8 hours, why has no one corrected that info before, that was one of the important factors to me, since the beginning, part of the mental elimination process, I guess.
I will not be surprised if there is not an end to the search today, albeit, not the conclusion everyone wants to hear.

This is all my own opinion, I certainly hope I am wrong, I got a chill when I read the above post. I pray I am wrong.

Beachpatty
MOO

I hope you are too, but anything is possible at this point IMO. The man in black has never stuck with me and I can think of a few possiblities on how that came to Butter Bean. JMO tho. :crying:

[breeze53]

Absolutely!!! We call her Breeze "Hinky Meter" 53!!

Wouldn't dogs have picked up her scent though?


I'm not sure how many dogs searched that area or how far they went back. I wonder why now all a sudden they have dogs back in there?
Wonder if something they took from the trailer came back postive as her being killedinside or near there.

[Barbara fl.]

Oh I know. Those shows can be frustrating. Often they have these "breaking news" banners, but the information they are talking about is just old news.

I'm still thinking Misty might have left the trailer for a bit, and some perv that had been watching the family took her....



Yes, I'm am still swaying in that direction also.....

[breeze53]

I'm not saying anyone was unfair except for GR. But I would not answer any more questions. Keep pleading for the return of Haleigh, yes.
jmo


I would have not answered any questions to begin with unless I had a lawyer.

[HI_CYCLE]

I would have not answered any questions to begin with unless I had a lawyer.But breeze, then the public message board poster`s, blogger`s and media would assume you were guilty or hiding something. RIGHT??? Should NOT be that way but that is the mindset of the majority in this day and time.

[CC I See]

No but my hinkey meter is saying the child is not far from that trailer. Hope they find her today..... and I couldn't agree more. I pray that she is found safe but if that is not possible at least find out what happened.

[JD1974]

Just curious, and I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but does Florida jail parents who are behind on their child support? Here in Kentucky, if you get very far behind on your payments and don't make some sort of effort to pay it, you can serve time. My brother-in-law is constantly in and out of jail for not paying his.


I am not sure about FL, I know they do in MI where I live.

[kate482000]

Oh I know. Those shows can be frustrating. Often they have these "breaking news" banners, but the information they are talking about is just old news.

I'm still thinking Misty might have left the trailer for a bit, and some perv that had been watching the family took her....

What you say is true for us, but there a lot of people who aren't really as attentive to these stories as we are and most of the time they get the news on these shows....

[Tia]

I'm not sure how many dogs searched that area or how far they went back. I wonder why now all a sudden they have dogs back in there?
Wonder if something they took from the trailer came back postive as her being killedinside or near there.

Something is going on since the trailer hasn't been released yet.

[n/t]

...sorry, I don't remember the poster who stated this theory. But she said that the area is full of septic tanks.... so easy to throw a body down one.

My personal theory is that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, this could be where she hid her. Either in a septic tank or in the water close by. Remember how close to home Caylee was? I believe that Haleigh is as well.

Cadaver dogs should be able to pick this scent up.... weren't they only using tracking dogs before?

I do not believe in a mysterious man in black took her theory at all. I also believe that Misty has a strong motive to have done this.

What would Misty's motive be?

[HI_CYCLE]

I am going to repost this photo again and see if it disappears.
Note the person in background dressed all in black with hood and sunglasses.
This is on Mistie`s cousin`s my space who she lived with in Daytona Beach area.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591

[n/t]

I'm not sure how many dogs searched that area or how far they went back. I wonder why now all a sudden they have dogs back in there?
Wonder if something they took from the trailer came back postive as her being killedinside or near there.

I think there must be a good reason for them to bring the dogs back. The Capt said on JVM the other night that they were not doing any more searches unless they got a credible lead.

Maybe they got a lead or someone confessed???

I hope I'm wrong and Haleigh is still alive but this latest news about the dogs concerns me. :sad:

[JD1974]

What would Misty's motive be?

I don't really see a motive for Misty or Ron, but then again I don't see any motive for anyone who kills any child. Who knows what goes through anyones head? I honestly just do not think Ron or Misty are involved.

[kate482000]

I am going to repost this photo again and see if it disappears.
Note the person in background dressed all in black with hood and sunglasses.
This is on Mistie`s cousin`s my space who she lived with in Daytona Beach area.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591

Umm..very interesting....

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally Posted by purplepoints
Just curious, and I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but does Florida jail parents who are behind on their child support? Here in Kentucky, if you get very far behind on your payments and don't make some sort of effort to pay it, you can serve time. My brother-in-law is constantly in and out of jail for not paying his.
.................................................. .The answer is yes in Florida........

[breeze53]

But breeze, then the public message board poster`s, blogger`s and media would assume you were guilty or hiding something. RIGHT??? Should NOT be that way but that is the mindset of the majority in this day and time.

Very true some arent going to believe you either way! Even if i was innocent i think i would go for the lawyer so they could guide me threw it all:w00t:

[HI_CYCLE]

Very true some arent going to believe you either way! Even if i was innocent i think i would go for the lawyer so they could guide me threw it all:w00t:
:wink: Me too.

[Tia]

I think there must be a good reason for them to bring the dogs back. The Capt said on JVM the other night that they were not doing any more searches unless they got a credible lead.

Maybe they got a lead or someone confessed???

I hope I'm wrong and Haleigh is still alive but this latest news about the dogs concerns me. :sad:


Same here, I hope you are wrong. It would be so nice to see the safe return of a child for once.

[Former Juror]

This is a dumb question, I'm sure. But, who is JVM? A CNN anchor?

[breeze53]

Umm..very interesting....



I have not seen that pic ...thanks! maybe Crystal seen this pic and thats where she came up with the crap jr. said this. I dont trust any of them.

[purplepoints]

Originally Posted by purplepoints
Just curious, and I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but does Florida jail parents who are behind on their child support? Here in Kentucky, if you get very far behind on your payments and don't make some sort of effort to pay it, you can serve time. My brother-in-law is constantly in and out of jail for not paying his.
.................................................. .The answer is yes in Florida........

Thank you very much.

[nc1948]

I would have not answered any questions to begin with unless I had a lawyer.


If it were my child or grandchild, I would open my doors wide and invite all LE in to search. Search dogs included. I would only ask what can I do to help. What can I give you to help. I would not want to hender or distract in any way from the search for my child/grandchild. A lawyer would not be out there searching in the woods for my child/grandchild, but LE would. My child/grandchilds life is much more important to me than any of my "Rights"

[CC I See]

What would Misty's motive be?....jealously or rage but maybe something equally sinister. Haleigh may have walked in on something that Misty did not want her to see and if Haleigh revealed this to her Dad then Misty would be thrown out of the home.... so add fear to the mix. I also do not believe that she acted alone in this crime.

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't like the bed wetting incident and the washing of the blanket happening on the night when Haleigh goes missing.

[n/t]

This is a dumb question, I'm sure. But, who is JVM? A CNN anchor?

Jane-Velez Mitchell - Headline News

http://www.cnn.com/HLN/

[Motomom]

I have stopped watching JVM...I'm tired of her attitude towards men...In her eyes they have to be the ones that are wrong....Hasn't she ever heard of women criminals?....I really do not care for her attitude....and she rarely knows what she is saying.....she puts on that voice of authority that really goes thru me....


I think she is the one with the "issues"......JMOO

Barb, you can send her an email through her website. I did last night cause she had me so mad. They don't really get back to but it sure felt good letting JVM know what I thought LOL

Just getting here and a few pages behind.. dogs are coming in to look for remains :crying: ? The link didn't work. I keep seeing people thinking that because TEs was dismissed, that some think that means Ron or misty may have done it.. i was thinking opposite. I mean, if Ron or misty did something to haleigh, she has to be close to the home IMO. I would think they would want Tes searchin for her body...

Yous know I don't know Ron or misty haave done anything, and I really think Haleigh is alive..but something keeps making me think back to the water.. Maybe they could/should check that again.

[Motomom]

After the GR fiasco I wouldn't talk anymore either.

Doneit, I feel the same as you. It's in everyones best interest IMO that Ron NOT talk to the media. The ONLY thing he should be doing is pleaing for her safe return and he has done that.

[HI_CYCLE]

....jealously or rage but maybe something equally sinister. Haleigh may have walked in on something that Misty did not want her to see and if Haleigh revealed this to her Dad then Misty would be thrown out of the home.... so add fear to the mix. I also do not believe that she acted alone in this crime.
I really don`t think Misty had anything to do with Haleigh`s disappearance. i think it is possible someone she knew may be a pedophile and she NOT be aware of it.
Question`s,question`s and more question`s...............

[beachpatty]

I hope you are too, but anything is possible at this point IMO. The man in black has never stuck with me and I can think of a few possiblities on how that came to Butter Bean. JMO tho. :crying:


Butter Bean, that's cute, I did not read all of the rest of yesterday's thread so I am clueless as to how that originated, but it is cute.

I also wonder about "the man in black", little kids are so impressionable, it makes me wonder if someone didn't maybe plant that little seed, just saying & just MOO.

I followed the Jessie Davis case closely and iirc, Blake, Jessie's son who was 2 1/2 (or so), was immediately isolated after his Grandma found him and he spent time with a professional that was experienced in having children relate what they saw/heard, without suggesting scenerios. Blake was present when his Mommie was attacked and he was able to aid in the investigation, when her body was found, it was "wrapped in the rug" (large comforter). "Mommie broke the table" was also substanciated.

In my heart, I don't want to know that someone entrusted to care for Haleigh, harmed her or caused an end to her life and her last moments would have been sheer terror. Even worse, an SO, my mind will not permit any images of possibilities.

My hope and faith remains that Haleigh be found, today, alive and well, and with professional help and lots of love, Haleighs life can continue on life's plan. From my fingers to His ears, please.

Beachpatty
MOO

[HI_CYCLE]

Doneit, I feel the same as you. It's in everyones best interest IMO that Ron NOT talk to the media. The ONLY thing he should be doing is pleaing for her safe return and he has done that. Well said!!!!!!

[n/t]

Good grief. Now I could understand why LE says everyone is a suspect. They all seem to have a motive.

Ron - anger - maybe bedwetting and hit her too hard and caused her death

Misty - jealousy - Haleigh is Ron's heart per mom Crystal

Mom Crystal - hasn't paid child support over $4000.00


I wish they could all be cleared but it doesn't seem like that's happening so maybe there's more to this than we know.

I keep going back and forth on this. I just don't know what and who to believe anymore. Ack!

[Tia]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18801629/detail.html

Cadaver dogs.

[purplepoints]

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=does+florida+jail+parents+that+dont+pay+chil d+support&page=1&qsrc=0&zoom=Inmate+%3CKW%3EFlorida%3C%2FKW%3E+County+%3CK W%3EJail%3C%2FKW%3E+Information|Polk+County+%3CKW% 3EFlorida+Jail%3C%2FKW%3E+Inmates|&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridafamilylawyerblog.com%2F2 008%2F07%2Fenforcing_child_support_paymen.html

Thanks for the link.

So, Crystal was facing a court appearance to see if she was in contempt of court for non payment of child support in which if the judge did find her in contempt, Crystal could have been put in jail.

ETA: MOO

[crymeariver2006]

Cadaver Dogs Return to Haleigh's Neighborhood

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

[Motomom]

I think there must be a good reason for them to bring the dogs back. The Capt said on JVM the other night that they were not doing any more searches unless they got a credible lead.

Maybe they got a lead or someone confessed???

I hope I'm wrong and Haleigh is still alive but this latest news about the dogs concerns me. :sad:

If they find a body...anyone think an arrest of someone will be immediate? I'm wondering LE knows who is involved. They are telling us NOTHING and I am starting to find it a bit odd.. I guess it isn't, I guess it is the right thing to do, but still. I'd love to know what they know right about now :)

[crymeariver2006]

If they find a body...anyone think an arrest of someone will be immediate? I'm wondering LE knows who is involved. They are telling us NOTHING and I am starting to find it a bit odd.. I guess it isn't, I guess it is the right thing to do, but still. I'd love to know what they know right about now :)

Heck, they (LE) haven't even held a PC to tell neighbors and citizens to keep their doors and windows locked and to report any suspicious activity, have they?

ETA: In answer to your question about if they find a body would we expect immediate arrest....I'd say no, unless they are 99.99% convinced they have a suspect in mind or they've had a confession or a very significant interview with someone.

[Kelly3820]

Thanks for the link.

So, Crystal was facing a court appearance to see if she was in contempt of court for non payment of child support in which if the judge did find her in contempt, Crystal could have been put in jail.



So Haleigh disappers when the papers were filed? This case is so filled with more questions more than answers.

[breeze53]

Something is going on since the trailer hasn't been released yet.


I think so to they didn't even keep Michelle Young's home this long:w00t:

[breeze53]

Heck, they (LE) haven't even held a PC to tell neighbors and citizens to keep their doors and windows locked and to report any suspicious activity, have they?

Now dont ya think if this child was taken by a So le would be yelling to this neighbor hood to keep your kids safe.

[purplepoints]

So Haleigh disappers when the papers were filed? This case is so filled with more questions more than answers.

IIRC, according to reports, Ron was served notice of the hearing the day before Haleigh disappeared. Anyone know when or if Crystal was served?

[Kelly3820]

If they find a body...anyone think an arrest of someone will be immediate? I'm wondering LE knows who is involved. They are telling us NOTHING and I am starting to find it a bit odd.. I guess it isn't, I guess it is the right thing to do, but still. I'd love to know what they know right about now :)

I don't believe LE have alot of answers and perhaps that is why they are holding on to the trailer. I think that they are stumped and going back and looking near the scene of the crime.

[Erin26GA]

Cadaver Dogs Return to Haleigh's Neighborhood

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3


I want to say I hope that they don't find her. But, if she is dead..she needs to be found so she can be put to rest. I am so hoping that she is alive and well.

[Kelly3820]

Now dont ya think if this child was taken by a So le would be yelling to this neighbor hood to keep your kids safe.



They didn't do that in Jessica's case. They focused on the dad and the grandparents.

[Mandysmom]

Dog Teams Specializing in Looking For Human Remains Have Been Called to Putnam County Today.


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-26/story/dogs_sent_to_search_for_haleigh

Oh gosh, that is so sad to even read.:sad:

[HI_CYCLE]

If they find a body...anyone think an arrest of someone will be immediate? I'm wondering LE knows who is involved. They are telling us NOTHING and I am starting to find it a bit odd.. I guess it isn't, I guess it is the right thing to do, but still. I'd love to know what they know right about now :)
I would think there would be an immediate arrest. I wish this information had NOT been released. It gives the murderer time to move the body if this pans out to be the case. Another reason certain information should NOT be made public until after the fact.

[Ice Cycle]

That is true in some cases but I am betting everything I have he went through the state for his support. The state will pick it up for you once the non-custodial parent is behind by so much. The custodial parent does not have to do anything, here it is called Friend of the Court, no idea what it is called in FL. Also when you go through the state that is when you get drivers licenses revoked, leins on property/vehicles, income taxes, the state does all of that for you.

It is true in a lot of cases, my Son who had been paying agreed support was taking back to court to raise it and they did and back dated it for about 3 months and that was mainly due to court timing.
So he had the option to pay the 3 months back part then or a additional amount each week till the back part was paid which is what he did yet the records showed back support till it was paid. That is just the way they do things, which is wrong. Plus the courts are just not to speedy in updating any of their records.
As I have sold Real Estate in the past any many many times this would be the case and show up on their credit report and documents would have to be supplied to lenders before loan approval.

[breeze53]

Good grief. Now I could understand why LE says everyone is a suspect. They all seem to have a motive.

Ron - anger - maybe bedwetting and hit her too hard and caused her death

Misty - jealousy - Haleigh is Ron's heart per mom Crystal

Mom Crystal - hasn't paid child support over $4000.00


I wish they could all be cleared but it doesn't seem like that's happening so maybe there's more to this than we know.

I keep going back and forth on this. I just don't know what and who to believe anymore. Ack!

I cant for the life of me remember witch video clip i seen this in but I think it was Ron giveing a interview anyway in that clip a white truck with Crystal and her b/ drove by matter of fact they drove by twice in that video the way the b/f was strenching his neck and looking caught me as very odd I havent had a good feeling about him since then. Does anyone remember which video this was on.

[HI_CYCLE]

I want to say I hope that they don't find her. But, if she is dead..she needs to be found so she can be put to rest. I am so hoping that she is alive and well.Erin, I pray EVERY night for the same thing.

[Armchairdet]

I would think there would be an immediate arrest. I wish this information had NOT been released. It gives the murderer time to move the body if this pans out to be the case. Another reason certain information should NOT be made public until after the fact.



Unless they released the info in hopes of flushing someone out. IMO

[Mandysmom]

Now dont ya think if this child was taken by a So le would be yelling to this neighbor hood to keep your kids safe.
They didn't do that in the Ramsey case either. I remember the Ramsey's saying there was a murderer out there somewhere.

I don't know what happened in this case for sure, just think it is likely to have been a RSO or just SO.

They have friends/relatives who come and go without sending off red flags to everybody.

That makes it even more scarier.

[Kelly3820]

If LE know who it is maybe they want the suspect to think that he is not in their radar? Perhaps they do want flush him out? I don't believe that it is Ron or Misty. These two have not been made to feel very comfortable.

[purplepoints]

What was Ron served notice about?

That Crystal had a court date about non-payment of child support. IMO

ETA:http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

[StickyBeak]

Oh gosh, that is so sad to even read.:sad:


They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

[breeze53]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29408187/


Thanks i read the article but didn't see the link to the video did i miss it ? Or is it not on there yet:smile:

[playnice]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

If she were under someone mobile home it seems it would smell very bad and someone would have noticed.

[5swab5]

I want to say I hope that they don't find her. But, if she is dead..she needs to be found so she can be put to rest. I am so hoping that she is alive and well.

If she is gone, they need to find her while there is still hope of getting some evidence off the body. (gawd, I hated typing that)

The person responsible needs to be punished. MOO

[purplepoints]

I don't think so. He would not be "served" papers about that. I read previously that Ron had a court date scheduled for his own "contempt of court." Have not been able to find any details.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

I don't know, that is what I inferred from the news article above.

[Mimi428]

I have never heard of the police telling a parent of a missing child that they could not talk to the media. Have you?

I thought the pastor's comments were interesting as well.

Early on, LE made it clear that they had not forbid ANYONE from talking to the press. This was after Ron's self-imposed exile from the media was asked about.

ITA, I recall the same thing that you do - LE said they did not tell family or anyone else to not speak to the media.

A couple of other things in that transcript caught my eye. One was the discussion that Ron was arrested in September 2005 on drug charges in Sarasota charges.

Pam, you`re the Florida state prosecutor. You`ve analyzed the Sarasota County arrest record. What can you tell me about the drug charges and also this violation of domestic injunction? What does that mean?

PAM COUNTY, PROSECUTOR: Well, you know, Jane, and it`s interesting because, yes, I`ve been reviewing this. and we have a copy right here of the injunction.

He was pulled over on a routine traffic stop. And the police officer noticed some suspicion, brought in a drug dog, and he had all these drugs in his car, on his possession.

Now, also in the report it tells us -- we had known he had this violation -- an injunction. But now we know that he was not to possess firearms. He was not to come within 100 feet of Crystal, who was the petitioner at the time in the injunction.

I'm not sure whether the restriction against possessing firearms was only put in place & then dropped when the protection order was dropped, or whether there were other things going on that caused the courts to have previously told him he could not possess firearms. No idea what the state of Florida has for general probation rules, but I have known of other instances of people being on probation & one of the conditions was that they not possess any firearms (no matter what the reason for the probation).

JMO

[dgfred]

I don't believe LE have alot of answers and perhaps that is why they are holding on to the trailer. I think that they are stumped and going back and looking near the scene of the crime.

Isn't the 'Sunshine' Law in effect? They must not have alot to release,
you are probably right.

[breeze53]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

I have always hear it called underpending on trailers. Maybe they think someone put her there:mad:your right a little late this should have been done in the first few days of this search.

[5swab5]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

You would think that would be one of the first places they would have looked, that and car trunks...EVERY car's trunk. MOO

[breeze53]

I didnt see it either on their article. Maybe they are talking about the video from Christmas. :confused:


http://www.news4jax.com/video/18798833/index.html


I guess i have missed that one also:w00t:

[crymeariver2006]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

Yes it is a little late, but at what time after death can cadaver dogs pick up a definite alert?

Routine maybe, but cadaver dogs? That's a lot of work to not be working off of a tip. KWIM?

[IlliniFan]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html


Thanks for posting all of the links. I really appreciate it!

[dgfred]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

Mobile homes are off the ground, the panels are used to cover the space from the ground to the bottom of the trailer. So it is not really 'under the flooring'. They should check everywhere and everybody they can.

[breeze53]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html


Get ready all it's getting closer I think this girl did it.
Maybe they can crack her today if she did.

[breeze53]

Thanks for posting all of the links. I really appreciate it!

Yes thanks for the links!

[StickyBeak]

LE did search those places at that time also. I remember reading a neighbor's account of their most thorough search process.

They are using Cadaver dogs now, did they use them in the beginning of search? I don't recall the neighbors account. I think it odd that the trailer has not been released back to Ron,

Now Misty brought in for questioning again. Wonder what's Up.

My hinky meter is going off, JMO

[Motomom]

If she were under someone mobile home it seems it would smell very bad and someone would have noticed.

Not to be gross, but if she was buried would the odor still be strong enough for others to smell it?

[Mimi428]

I also wonder if he can get away with leaving during his shift without being noticed. How many people is he around working that shift? How close to each other do they work? Is he alone in an area? Does anyone see him? What exactly does he do? Is he digging for a bridge? You know, moving dirt with heavy equipment?

The company he works for is PDM Bridge. Here is a link to their website.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Who We Are

PDM Bridge is a leader in the bridge fabrication industry with extensive experience in fabricating complex bridge structures. With modern facilities and experienced personnel, PDM Bridge has the expertise and capacity to fabricate components for all types of bridge structures.

They fabricate the components that go into bridge construction. They aren't building the bridges, they are building the PARTS that go into building bridges.

Here is their employment page - you can see they have several openings at their Palatka facility.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=452

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

Again? How many times is this?

She should just move in!

From the article:

Investigators said more dogs will search the area again Friday

That's not sounding so "routine" any more. :sad:

[Themis]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html
So, Misty Croslin has been taken in again for more questioning as of today, Thursday - 2-26-09.


Thank you for this link, Momofamarine, and all the other links, too!:smile:

[breeze53]

The company he works for is PDM Bridge. Here is a link to their website.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Who We Are

PDM Bridge is a leader in the bridge fabrication industry with extensive experience in fabricating complex bridge structures. With modern facilities and experienced personnel, PDM Bridge has the expertise and capacity to fabricate components for all types of bridge structures.

They fabricate the components that go into bridge construction. They aren't building the bridges, they are building the PARTS that go into building bridges.

Here is their employment page - you can see they have several openings at their Palatka facility.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=452

JMO

Could someone who lives in tha area call this place and ask them what the shift time is of there work?

[dgfred]

Not to be gross, but if she was buried would the odor still be strong enough for others to smell it?

I wouldn't think so, especially with the dirt/rot/dead animals/plumbing/etc that would normally be under a mobile home.

[Motomom]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

I have to say.. coincidence?? Or not :angry: Why are we still questioning her after 3 weeks? Why weren't these questions done in the very beginning..everyday.. I can't imagine them not being able to break this girl IF she had anything to do with it. I do find it odd that dogs are called in the same day she's requestioned. Wondering if she has any "close" friends that maybe know something.. somethings up I THINK and I'm hoping this leads to Haleigh and I haven't thought from the beginning that Misty had anything to do with it. I will be shocked in all honesty if she does.. Part of me would rather know it was Misty..because that means that other children in the area are not in danger right this minute..kwim? I don't know what to think..

[Armchairdet]

I think so too.... either that or getting her to flip on RC. IMOO

It seems odd to me that they keep bringing her in if she is not a suspect. I mean after the inital interviews etc, if there was a question you forgot to ask, just give her a call. It seems as if something is up. But then again a week or so ago they had the parents go down to the station I think it was. Ron was driven by LE, and Crystal went from her home I think with her mom. Anyway, that seemed like it was to be big news, but didn't turn out that way. IMO

[annalyzer]

Exactly.....What are they finding so hard to believe? An abduction? It happens all the time...more so then family members....That is because they don't put these creeps away long enough....they roam the street, they stalk, they rape, they murder our little children.....I don't understand why they are putting so much emphasis on this family...they should be looking for the &$#%@ that took this child.....JMOO

In the cases of young children the parents/caregivers are more likely to be responsible for their deaths.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

[happy2bme]

Dogs Trained To Find Human Remains To Search Near Haleigh Home

Sightings Of Missing Girl Reported In St. Augustine, Colorado




http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18799923/detail.html#

[Deb7]

Ooh, that's an interesting thought, Candy. Really. I kept thinking yesterday, well, she doesn't have any money. Court or no court, you can't get blood out of a turnip and so Crystal and her boyfriend don't stand to lose anything anyway, if they don't have the $4100, they don't have it.

But it sounds like they actually MIGHT have it. And the boyfriend wants it to stay that way.

I just am feeling stronger and stronger that he took Haleigh and was somehow prevented - by something unexpected - from going back in and getting Junior, and so the job was half complete, and the door still propped open. So his plan only half worked.


When a parent owes back child support, they don't pay it in a one lump sum amount, it just gets tacked on to the end and they still have to pay after child support is done being paid until the arrears are paid in full. Unless they want to pay the back amount in one lump sum. The advantage to doing that is that you aren't in arrears and child support quits reporting to your job, as in the regular child support amount would no longer be garnished from your wages.

[CC I See]

Get ready all it's getting closer I think this girl did it.
Maybe they can crack her today if she did. I know there are posters here who do not think that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. It is hard to think that someone who is a caregiver and someone who professes to love a child would do such a thing. But it happens.... please, don't give her a free pass just yet until this is over. My reasoning here? Look at my signature line.

[n/t]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

She's taken in for questioning again? :unsure:

[Tia]

I know there are posters here who do not think that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. It is hard to think that someone who is a caregiver and someone who professes to love a child would do such a thing. But it happens.... please, don't give her a free pass just yet until this is over. My reasoning here? Look at my signature line.

I really believe she knows something, what, I don't know, but she knows something.

[purplepoints]

When a parent owes back child support, they don't pay it in a one lump sum amount, it just gets tacked on to the end and they still have to pay after child support is done being paid until the arrears are paid in full. Unless they want to pay the back amount in one lump sum. The advantage to doing that is that you aren't in arrears and child support quits reporting to your job, as in the regular child support amount would no longer be garnished from your wages.

In Kentucky, they usually make you pay part of the arrears to stay out of jail or they increase the amount you owe each month. Example would be 350 for your regular payment and 50 more towards the arrears so that you would have to pay 400 a month until the arrears payment is taken care off. JMO

[breeze53]

The company he works for is PDM Bridge. Here is a link to their website.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/

Who We Are

PDM Bridge is a leader in the bridge fabrication industry with extensive experience in fabricating complex bridge structures. With modern facilities and experienced personnel, PDM Bridge has the expertise and capacity to fabricate components for all types of bridge structures.

They fabricate the components that go into bridge construction. They aren't building the bridges, they are building the PARTS that go into building bridges.

Here is their employment page - you can see they have several openings at their Palatka facility.

http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=452

JMO


I cant seem to find the number for this company or else I would call and see what time 2nd shift starts.

[IlliniFan]

Here is a news chopper flying over the area where the searchers are looking. Haven't watched all of it. It's really a wooded area.


http://www.wesh.com/video/18801851/index.html

Sorry if this has been posted already.....

[happy2bme]

Does anyone here think that with Misty being taken in again and LE now using cadaver dogs that LE knows something?

[StickyBeak]

I know there are posters here who do not think that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. It is hard to think that someone who is a caregiver and someone who professes to love a child would do such a thing. But it happens.... please, don't give her a free pass just yet until this is over. My reasoning here? Look at my signature line.

Haileighs GM said Misty is so Remorseful last night on NG. I wonder if Misty is so full of pain, she almost looks like she is chocking on her words. Could it be LE also thinks she is scared or covering up something, She won't have Ron there to prompt her replies. I am shaky about the bed wetting and blanket washing as well. Only thing I can think would be it happened the night before and Haleigh just changed her clothes not telling anyone, hence Misty found the wet blanket when putting the children to bed, JMO

This is a hair puller case for sure

Please bring Haleigh Home

[PBJMOM4]

Here is a news chopper flying over the area where the searchers are looking. Haven't watched all of it. It's really a wooded area.


http://www.wesh.com/video/18801851/index.html

Sorry if this has been posted already.....

Doesn't sound good at all.

[PBJMOM4]

Does anyone here think that with Misty being taken in again and LE now using cadaver dogs that LE knows something?

and now helicopters? Doesn't sounds good to me, maybe just ruling a "tip" out too.

[playnice]

I would be shocked if Ron had anything to do with this. Anyone else, it wouldnt surprise me as much.
I believe SO but Im not 100% convinced since they keep questioning Misti.

[Erin26GA]

I wouldn't think so, especially with the dirt/rot/dead animals/plumbing/etc that would normally be under a mobile home.


Gross, dead animal under a mobile home? That's one reason ppl who live in mobile homes have underpinning. So, animals and such can't get under there. If there was a human rotting under a mobile home, you would smell it. If there was a dog rotting under a mobile home, you would smell that too. If you look under a mobile home, all you will see is plumbing pipes, the AC vent thingy, and insulation. There should be no smell under there.

[Tia]

Does anyone here think that with Misty being taken in again and LE now using cadaver dogs that LE knows something?


Yes, maybe they found something in the trailer that leads them to believe Haleigh is no longer alive. Maybe they are telling Misty this now and telling her its time to be straight up and honest with them.

[CC I See]

Haileighs GM said Misty is so Remorseful last night on NG. I wonder if Misty is so full of pain, she almost looks like she is chocking on her words. Could it be LE also thinks she is scared or covering up something, She won't have Ron there to prompt her replies. I am shaky about the bed wetting and blanket washing as well. Only thing I can think would be it happened the night before and Haleigh just changed her clothes not telling anyone, hence Misty found the wet blanket when putting the children to bed, JMO This is a hair puller case for sure Please bring Haleigh Home bold mine.

Maybe she is..... so afraid of being caught and is choking on her words. Yes, she just might be sorry for what happened.

[Mandysmom]

They are searching under the "Panels" of mobile homes nearby, I am not too familiar with the structure, are the homes on a raised block and then aluminum sheets or panels enclose it? Do they think Haleigh may be hidden under the flooring perhaps? Little late IMO
But this is just routine per the Sheriff.

StickyBeak sorry if this has already been answered, but I had left to do a little work.

Usually, the homes have "underpinning" and then panels are set up to enclose the underside of the home where the pipes and wire are.

I suppose that is what they are talking about. :sad:

[breeze53]

Doesn't sound good at all.


did that dog look like it hit on something?

[Armchairdet]

Gross, dead animal under a mobile home? That's one reason ppl who live in mobile homes have underpinning. So, animals and such can't get under there. If there was a human rotting under a mobile home, you would smell it. If there was a dog rotting under a mobile home, you would smell that too. If you look under a mobile home, all you will see is plumbing pipes, the AC vent thingy, and insulation. There should be no smell under there.

Agreed. It is no different than a house that has a crawl space under it. Ours growing up did, and so did my husbands childhood home. A regional thing perhaps, but nevertheless when a screen would become worn or broken and an animal such as even a mouse got under there and died, you would smell it.

IMO

[PBJMOM4]

did that dog look like it hit on something?

The first dog {in the woods} looked like it was happy to find a bowl of water, and run in the woods. Didn't seem all that "hot on a trail" to me, but I also lost track of them under the canapy of trees.
The other dog? with the plain clothes looked more onto a track, but then again, not really. IMO

[n/t]

Here is a news chopper flying over the area where the searchers are looking. Haven't watched all of it. It's really a wooded area.


http://www.wesh.com/video/18801851/index.html

Sorry if this has been posted already.....

Wow thanks for posting this.

[StickyBeak]

StickyBeak sorry if this has already been answered, but I had left to do a little work.

Usually, the homes have "underpinning" and then panels are set up to enclose the underside of the home where the pipes and wire are.

I suppose that is what they are talking about. :sad:

TY, Jessical Lunsford come to mind, I vaguely remember LE underneath the trailer. Is there room to get under there and perhaps bury something, the weather has been cold in florida so decomp would not be as fast JMO

I also wonder about TES being dismissed, odd

[Peaches]

If it were my child or grandchild, I would open my doors wide and invite all LE in to search. Search dogs included. I would only ask what can I do to help. What can I give you to help. I would not want to hender or distract in any way from the search for my child/grandchild. A lawyer would not be out there searching in the woods for my child/grandchild, but LE would. My child/grandchilds life is much more important to me than any of my "Rights"


You are so right. So would I.....................and I would be out there looking under every rock and limb myself...................that is if I could get my legs working and I could see through the tears!

[breeze53]

The first dog {in the woods} looked like it was happy to find a bowl of water, and run in the woods. Didn't seem all that "hot on a trail" to me, but I also lost track of them under the canapy of trees.
The other dog? with the plain clothes looked more onto a track, but then again, not really. IMO


This case is makeing me nervous today for some reason:w00t::w00t:

[Mimi428]

The last time that she was taken down for questioning was last week I believe and then it was played off in the media as being nothing. Personally I think that LE knows- they just don't have enough evidence yet. IMO

I think the same thing. I believe LE knows so very much more than they are hinting at, but they are keeping every tiny little thing super quiet so they can build up the case. As soon as somebody gets arrested, the media will be all over it, requesting release of records under the sunshine laws in Florida. That gives LE a lot of incentive to make sure all the i's are dotted & all the t's are crossed before they pick up anybody.

JMO

[dgfred]

Gross, dead animal under a mobile home? That's one reason ppl who live in mobile homes have underpinning. So, animals and such can't get under there. If there was a human rotting under a mobile home, you would smell it. If there was a dog rotting under a mobile home, you would smell that too. If you look under a mobile home, all you will see is plumbing pipes, the AC vent thingy, and insulation. There should be no smell under there.

What? The question was could a body be smelled if it was BURIED under a mobile home. Dead animals (rats/cats/others) get under mobile homes all the time... I know, I used to live in one. You obviously haven't look under too many mobile homes. The underpinning comes loose or is dented in, or animals are able to dig under. Also how old and in what kind of state the mobile home is in are factors too.

[PBJMOM4]

This case is makeing me nervous today for some reason:w00t::w00t:

Make sure you make dinner in advance, maybe THIS will be a long night!

[Mandysmom]

Gross, dead animal under a mobile home? That's one reason ppl who live in mobile homes have underpinning. So, animals and such can't get under there. If there was a human rotting under a mobile home, you would smell it. If there was a dog rotting under a mobile home, you would smell that too. If you look under a mobile home, all you will see is plumbing pipes, the AC vent thingy, and insulation. There should be no smell under there.
I was thinking the same thing.

There's nothing under there if you have it done right. lol

[StickyBeak]

I think the same thing. I believe LE knows so very much more than they are hinting at, but they are keeping every tiny little thing super quiet so they can build up the case. As soon as somebody gets arrested, the media will be all over it, requesting release of records under the sunshine laws in Florida. That gives LE a lot of incentive to make sure all the i's are dotted & all the t's are crossed before they pick up anybody.

JMO

ITA. First KFN asked to leave, Geraldo got out of town fast and the news today that TES was "Dismissed". So LE did not need or want any media surrounding the area and turning it into another anthony fiasco, IMO.
I am thinking they are playing this close to the vest and Their Way. They take care of their own JMO

Just seems like a lot more upscale searching since the announcenment they were pulling back and going on leads/tips.

I hope they have something credible soon.

[Erin26GA]

I cant seem to find the number for this company or else I would call and see what time 2nd shift starts.

Not sure about posting the number here, but here is a link to where you can find the number. Just click on phone.

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/listings.jsp?sid=12213&S=FL&search=Find+It&&PG=L&SRC=comwp&C=PDM+Bridge&R=N&STYPE=S

[Rick777]

Misty- I don't see her as volitale enough (from what I have seen) to kill over bedwetting, or anything for that matter.

Ron- I have no doubt he could and would kill if the situation suited him. I don't think he killed his daughter however.

Crystal- I don't think she killed haleigh. She is putting herself out there alot which would be hard if you are the killer. She also compliments Misty alot, which is honest.

Crystals Fiance- I don't see the plus for him killing a child for 4,000 that Crystal owes. He appears to be one of the most normal people in this whole thing.

I think Misty and or Ron know WHO killed Haleigh, but I don't think they were involved in the actual action.

[koawally]

Frightening to watch the canines look...knowing they are looking for lil Haleigh. Just so sad

[dgfred]

I was thinking the same thing.

There's nothing under there if you have it done right. lol

None of these mobile homes looks brand new. So it would depend on the individual homeowner, how long it had been there, been hit hard by storms, etc... I'll invite anyone to go to a old mobile home park, and start digging around under mobile homes, you might be very surprised what is under there in some cases.

[breeze53]

Make sure you make dinner in advance, maybe THIS will be a long night!


Ok thanks to a poster on here for pming me the number to the bridge company here is the shifts

1st shift---6am until 430 pm

2nd shift---430 until 3 am

weekend shift---6 am until 6 pm

[Motomom]

This case is makeing me nervous today for some reason:w00t::w00t:

I hate to say, but I have an odd feeling about it myself. I feel like something's going to happen. Maybe it's because they are actually out searching..with the dogs. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

[RiverWalk]

ITA. First KFN asked to leave, Geraldo got out of town fast and the news today that TES was "Dismissed". So LE did not need or want any media surrounding the area and turning it into another anthony fiasco, IMO.
I am thinking they are playing this close to the vest and Their Way. They take care of their own JMO

Just seems like a lot more upscale searching since the announcenment they were pulling back and going on leads/tips.

I hope they have something credible soon.

Here's TES' website. This is the last report. I can't find anything on their website that they were "dismissed".

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-ends-for-now/

moo

[playnice]

Ok thanks to a poster on here for pming me the number to the bride company here is the shifts

1st shift---6am until 430 pm

2nd shift---430 until 3 am

weekend shift---6 am until 6 pm

10hr shift with 1/2 hr for lunch.

[Armchairdet]

I hate to say, but I have an odd feeling about it myself. I feel like something's going to happen. Maybe it's because they are actually out searching..with the dogs. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

No I think you may be right. I think what someone else mentioned about LE being careful (dotting i's crossing t's) is accurate too. I think there is about to be a major break in the case.

IMO of course.

[StickyBeak]

Here's TES' website. This is the last report. I can't find anything on their website that they were "dismissed".

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-ends-for-now/

moo

I read it on this board this am, that's what I get for not checking a link.
I will go look, be back

[Rick777]

Ok thanks to a poster on here for pming me the number to the bridge company here is the shifts

1st shift---6am until 430 pm

2nd shift---430 until 3 am

weekend shift---6 am until 6 pm



So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.

[breeze53]

10hr shift with 1/2 hr for lunch.

not a very long lunch and they have to have breaks dont they?

[JD1974]

It is true in a lot of cases, my Son who had been paying agreed support was taking back to court to raise it and they did and back dated it for about 3 months and that was mainly due to court timing.
So he had the option to pay the 3 months back part then or a additional amount each week till the back part was paid which is what he did yet the records showed back support till it was paid. That is just the way they do things, which is wrong. Plus the courts are just not to speedy in updating any of their records.
As I have sold Real Estate in the past any many many times this would be the case and show up on their credit report and documents would have to be supplied to lenders before loan approval.


Oh you misunderstood what I responded to, I am in essense saying what you are saying. The state can and does go after back support. When I said that it sometimes happens I was reffering to going through private means with the court and actually having the state go through the court on your behalf.

[Kelly3820]

So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.



But the air conditioning guy I believe he saw Haleigh after Ron went to work.

[breeze53]

So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.

Or just about a hr if he works 20 mins away:laugh: I wonder if he was always on time or late at times

[SameHere1]

Why, if Misty is being questioned sooooooo much, has she not gotten a lawyer?

I do not like the feeling I'm getting to day AT ALL. Good on LE for executing things properly.

And thank you to everyone who keeps the board updated so well with links and insights. Much appreciated!

[CC I See]

.... I think now is the time that Misty will have the need of a lawyer. This whole case is about to break... could be that some of the forensics maybe in...don't know yet.

[JD1974]

I don't think so. He would not be "served" papers about that. I read previously that Ron had a court date scheduled for his own "contempt of court." Have not been able to find any details.


They don't serve them as in a police officer coming and serving them but they do send out notice that the non-custodial parent has a hearing with the time, date etc. My sister went through the state and she was notified of every hearing her ex had to go to, she didn't have to attend.

[playnice]

not a very long lunch and they have to have breaks dont they?

The factorys around here give 10 min morn and 10 min afternoon breaks.

I would think with working 10 hrs he got one or two 10 min breaks.

[Erin26GA]

not a very long lunch and they have to have breaks dont they?

Somebody call back and ask how long breaks are! lol and how many do you get? hehe Tell them you're weighing your options.

[breeze53]

.... I think now is the time that Misty will have the need of a lawyer. This whole case is about to break... could be that some of the forensics maybe in...don't know yet.


I think your right. And who will step in and help her she wont be as lucky as Casey:rolleyes:

[playnice]

Somebody call back and ask how long breaks are! lol and how many do you get? hehe Tell them you're weighing your options.

LOL. You would probably get a "Do not Apply Here" and a hang up.

[Kelly3820]

Why, if Misty is being questioned sooooooo much, has she not gotten a lawyer?

I do not like the feeling I'm getting to day AT ALL. Good on LE for executing things properly.

And thank you to everyone who keeps the board updated so well with links and insights. Much appreciated!



I think LE are really trying to pin down the timeline. I mean I don't believe Haleigh was taken around 3 am could have been earlier. As far as I know neither Ron or Misty have lawyers.

[breeze53]

Somebody call back and ask how long breaks are! lol and how many do you get? hehe Tell them you're weighing your options.


Lol I had to go threw 4 people to just get this info:scared: anyone want to call pm i have the number.

[Themis]

So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.
Except for the fact that Misty claims one of her brothers and his 2 sons dropped by from 5 p.m. to about 5:45 p.m.

Except for the fact the the air conditioning/heating repairman was also supposedly there -- as Misty claims.

Then, there is a 3rd person, one of the grandmothers (I think it was paternal and don't remember which one -- there are so many when you count in the steps and ex'es) who stated emphatically she saw both Haleigh and Junior sitting in the front screened porch at 7 p.m. eating dinner when she stopped by. This was the person Misty never mentioned.

JMO

[Mandysmom]

None of these mobile homes looks brand new. So it would depend on the individual homeowner, how long it had been there, been hit hard by storms, etc... I'll invite anyone to go to a old mobile home park, and start digging around under mobile homes, you might be very surprised what is under there in some cases.

No I agree with you that the maintenance of one would make a big difference.

I ain't digging under a mobile home nor a site built home, :scared:. I know what you mean though.

ETA: This reminded me of John Wayne Gacy when I thought about what could be buried beneath a home.

[kitty1182]

I think Misty better start telling the right story..imo

[Kelly3820]

Except for the fact that Misty claims one of her brothers and his 2 sons dropped by from 5 p.m. to about 5:45 p.m.

Except for the fact the the air conditioning/heating repairman was also supposedly there -- as Misty claims.

Then, there is a 3rd person, one of the grandmothers (I think it was paternal and don't remember which one -- there are so many when you count in the steps and ex'es) who stated emphatically she saw both Haleigh and Junior sitting in the front screened porch at 7 p.m. eating dinner when she stopped by. This was the person Misty never mentioned.

JMO

Plus the man that worked on the heater.

[breeze53]

LOL. You would probably get a "Do not Apply Here" and a hang up.

I told them my husband was going to apply online and he wanted to know what the shifts were. He was looking at me like I was crazy:tonguewag:

[Motomom]

So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.

Travel time to and from work though too. Anyone know how long it really takes? I've seen 10 minutes and 20 minutes. Also, IIRC one of the grandmothers was over there around 7 to drop clothes off. SOOO that would give him from the time he got home, to the time he called 911 IMO... i don't believe he had anything to do with this..less he wasn't at work, the grandmother is lieing (which I don't believe). All JMO :)

[playnice]

Except for the fact that Misty claims one of her brothers and his 2 sons dropped by from 5 p.m. to about 5:45 p.m.

Except for the fact the the air conditioning/heating repairman was also supposedly there -- as Misty claims.

Then, there is a 3rd person, one of the grandmothers (I think it was paternal and don't remember which one -- there are so many when you count in the steps and ex'es) who stated emphatically she saw both Haleigh and Junior sitting in the front screened porch at 7 p.m. eating dinner when she stopped by. This was the person Misty never mentioned.

JMO

The AC man would have no reason to lie so if he saw those kids Haleigh was still alive at the time he left even with discounting family that was supposed to be there. That helps tighten the timeline.
It also tightens Rons alibi.

[Mandysmom]

.... I think now is the time that Misty will have the need of a lawyer. This whole case is about to break... could be that some of the forensics maybe in...don't know yet.
I think that anytime you're being questioned by LE you probably need a lawyer to advise you of your rights.

Misty is only 17, she should be represented by an attorney.

[Kelly3820]

The AC man would have no reason to lie so if he saw those kids Haleigh was still alive at the time he left even with discounting family that was supposed to be there. That helps tighten the timeline.
It also tightens Rons alibi.



Yes it does!

[Mimi428]

ITA. First KFN asked to leave, Geraldo got out of town fast and the news today that TES was "Dismissed". So LE did not need or want any media surrounding the area and turning it into another anthony fiasco, IMO.
I am thinking they are playing this close to the vest and Their Way. They take care of their own JMO

Just seems like a lot more upscale searching since the announcenment they were pulling back and going on leads/tips.

I hope they have something credible soon.

How many times have you turned on the news & found out the local LE, with the help of all sorts of different county, state & federal agencies, has arrested a whole slew of folks in one giant sweep?

I have a nephew & his ex-wife & her new husband got caught up in that - big bust in a small/medium size town plus the rural areas surrounding it. They had local LE, county, DEA, ATF, federal marshalls, FBI, LE of every sort based out of San Antonio & other parts of Texas worked with them to help.

The bust was very successful, because LE was so tight-lipped about it. Nary a peep out of them & they had been working on the bust for well over a year. Some of the folks they arrested had been involved in very minor run-ins with LE in the previous 18 months - but they let them go with simple citations, because they were following them, knew they were connected to somebody higher up the chain, & needed to keep quiet until they were WAY up the chain & ready to arrest the top level folks.

I can't say that is what is going on in the background in this case of Haleigh's disappearance. But it sure seems to have some similarities. I do think that Ron knows or knows OF some bad people, with criminal backgrounds - & they know, or know OF Ron. Maybe one or two or 3 of them knew he had switched to the night shift - & decided to go in & take a big stash of pills or something from his home, came across an awake Haleigh & grabbed her up so she couldn't make noise or identify them later. I dunno.

JMO

[JD1974]

So that would have given Ron from roughly 3 (picked Haleigh up from bus) til' 4:30 IF he was involved.



What about the a/c guy though? I am sure he would of seen the kids...ok well he would of seen MY kids because they are curious when anyone comes over to do work and try to follow them around like puppies. Also whomever went and dropped off the clothes said they seen the kids eating on the porch...who knows though, everyone changes their statements more than they do their underwear.

[Mandysmom]

I think Misty better start telling the right story..imo

You are right. The truth will do just nicely. :smile:

[SameHere1]

From what I understand, no one in the case, Ron, Misty or Crystal have retained a lawyer. That leads me to believe that none of them had anything to do with this. I do think it's odd that a stranger could come into a home in the middle of the night like that, but it has happened. IMO everyone is being too cooperative with LE for them to be involved. Just my opinion though. My thoughts and prayers go out to this family and all involved. How terribly sad!

Exactly. Very well said.

[Erin26GA]

I told them my husband was going to apply online and he wanted to know what the shifts were. He was looking at me like I was crazy:tonguewag:

LOL! Im sure.

[Tia]

I told them my husband was going to apply online and he wanted to know what the shifts were. He was looking at me like I was crazy:tonguewag:


Nice job Breeze!!

[Motomom]

Oh Oh... JVM got 2 e-mails from In Session Posters last night. lol
She had my blood boiling!!

do tell...what made you boiling mad. I was disgusted by a simple cocky remark (ng wannabe IMO) to a caller who was asking why they were villifying RON when CRYstal was basically no better. Was just a childish immature remark she made and it irritate me.. and i realized, hey, this is a good way to alleviate some of my stress LOL..

To stay o/t I'm wondering if there are still helcopters and if there is a "live" video of them? Anyone know?

[playnice]

You are right. The truth will do just nicely. :smile:

I cant picture her killing someone but I know that looks can be deceiving. I do wonder if she left that house and left them alone.
I can just see LE asking Jr when he saw the MIB did he tell Misti and Jr saying Misti gone.
If she is lying I think that would most be likely what she is lying about.
I also have a hard time believing LE cant crack her.
She doesnt appear that tough to me.

[Erin26GA]

do tell...what made you boiling mad. I was disgusted by a simple cocky remark (ng wannabe IMO) to a caller who was asking why they were villifying RON when CRYstal was basically no better. Was just a childish immature remark she made and it irritate me.. and i realized, hey, this is a good way to alleviate some of my stress LOL..

To stay o/t I'm wondering if there are still helcopters and if there is a "live" video of them? Anyone know?


I saw that...I immediately thought..mmhmmm, trying to be like Nancy! I've often wondered if it was any of the ppl from these msg boards calling in.

[Themis]

Not to be crude, but since Haleigh has been missing as of early morning the 10th....
moving her little body would be an ordeal if she was deceased since then. :crying:
Yes, unless she was wrapped in a blanket, for example. Then perhaps placed in a 30-40 gallon trash bag.

Remember Haleigh is only 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds. Not big.

(Visualize a large (40 lb) bag of dog food or a 50 lb bag of cracked corn or salt for your water softenener.) [JMO]

[breeze53]

ITA :thumbsup:


Thanks all if you knew my life and my hubby you would understand lol.

[PBJMOM4]

You are right. The truth will do just nicely. :smile:

O/T
I love the sig line but Chocoloate would have been easier to give up for Lent! You're going to hell now. :laugh:

[breeze53]

Yes, unless she was wrapped in a blanket, for example. Then perhaps placed in a 30-40 gallon trash bag.

Remember Haleigh is only 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds. Not big.

(Visualize a large (40 lb) bag of dog food or a 50 lb bag of cracked corn or salt for your water softenener.) [JMO]


That makes me think of poor little Caylee:sad: I hope to God this child doesnt end up this way.

[march27]

I'm thinking maybe the lie detector tests came back from out of state. Could be why there is so much activity today.

[breeze53]

I have not seen Misty at the Cummings camp since a day or two after Haleigh disappeared.

Has anyone else seen her there?

Maybe she is no longer Ron's girlfriend.


Someone said they seen her on video going into the trailer i think last week.

[KKKKKKatie]

O/T
I love the sig line but Chocoloate would have been easier to give up for Lent! You're going to hell now. :laugh:

OT also...my Priest said to give to charity instead of giving something up for Lent. I just love him LOL

Any more news of the search?

[Tia]

I have not seen Misty at the Cummings camp since a day or two after Haleigh disappeared.

Has anyone else seen her there?

Maybe she is no longer Ron's girlfriend.

I was wondering about that as well. Maybe her parent(s) stepped in and made her come home?

It does seem odd though that she has suddenly vanished from Ron's life.

[Mimi428]

Yes, unless she was wrapped in a blanket, for example. Then perhaps placed in a 30-40 gallon trash bag.

Remember Haleigh is only 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds. Not big.

(Visualize a large (40 lb) bag of dog food or a 50 lb bag of cracked corn or salt for your water softenener.) [JMO]


It's also possible that she was placed somewhere initially, but moved some hours later. The smell of decomposition in the first location wouldn't have to be so strong as to be noticeable to humans, but the cadaver dogs would pick it up.

JMO

[StickyBeak]

Here's TES' website. This is the last report. I can't find anything on their website that they were "dismissed".

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/haleigh-cummings-search-ends-for-now/

moo


Checked TES website 2/16 The search for Haleigh has been "suspended" by LE and Tes.

My Bad.

Jessicas post on page 2 #75 this am stated Dismissed, no link.
Matter of interpretation. Sorry

[Erin26GA]

I've seen it mentioned that Misti may be on drugs. I wonder if she had done some kind of drug that night that put her into a deep sleep, and that's why she didn't hear anyone come into the house. Still puzzles me that there was no forced entry. I bet the back door wasn't even locked. Ron may have checked it before he left, but wasn't it said that she set trash out of the back door?

[Mimi428]

Or, like little Baby Grace put in a storage bin.

I think you could seal her up and even dogs would have a hard time picking up on the smell.

Look at the abilities of drug-sniffing dogs to find stuff that has been wrapped up, put in something else, sealed, placed in the middle of something else with it's own distinct odor - those dogs do quite well in finding even trace amounts of stuff.

Which makes me wonder if, at the very first of the case when we knew dogs were brought in, if some of them were the drug-sniffing kind. Hmmmmm.

JMO

[Motomom]

I think that anytime you're being questioned by LE you probably need a lawyer to advise you of your rights.

Misty is only 17, she should be represented by an attorney.

When people are innocent, they don't think they need a lawyer IMO. However, I watched about the Riley Fox case last night online (thanks to another poster who posted about her case). It is dispicable what happened in that case in regards to the interrogations and false arrest of her own father. Had they not focused and framed that father, IMO they may have been able to catch that baby girls killer. I also read a book called the innocent man.. again disgusting, the behavior of LE interrogations IMO.. So after just these two stories, I agree. LE would never question me without a lawyer if I was innocent and felt I was being singledout for a crime and they would never be allowed to interrogate one of my children without a lawyer either. Some of their tactics are quite disgusting IMO.. Now if they have PROOF and are trying to break someone that they KNOW did something.. maybe I'd feel different.. I'm sure it's a tough call, and they need to be tough..and with certain criminals it is well deserved.. I don't know, maybe that's why I'm not in LE LOL

[StickyBeak]

How many times have you turned on the news & found out the local LE, with the help of all sorts of different county, state & federal agencies, has arrested a whole slew of folks in one giant sweep?

I have a nephew & his ex-wife & her new husband got caught up in that - big bust in a small/medium size town plus the rural areas surrounding it. They had local LE, county, DEA, ATF, federal marshalls, FBI, LE of every sort based out of San Antonio & other parts of Texas worked with them to help.

The bust was very successful, because LE was so tight-lipped about it. Nary a peep out of them & they had been working on the bust for well over a year. Some of the folks they arrested had been involved in very minor run-ins with LE in the previous 18 months - but they let them go with simple citations, because they were following them, knew they were connected to somebody higher up the chain, & needed to keep quiet until they were WAY up the chain & ready to arrest the top level folks.

I can't say that is what is going on in the background in this case of Haleigh's disappearance. But it sure seems to have some similarities. I do think that Ron knows or knows OF some bad people, with criminal backgrounds - & they know, or know OF Ron. Maybe one or two or 3 of them knew he had switched to the night shift - & decided to go in & take a big stash of pills or something from his home, came across an awake Haleigh & grabbed her up so she couldn't make noise or identify them later. I dunno.

JMO ITA, just happened around here last week, all kinds of drugs and weapons so completely possible. I wonder how many of the the Bad people would have known Ron moved to a different trailer though. Could be Misty was running a home based business after hours, you just never know. JMO

[Peaches]

Ok thanks to a poster on here for pming me the number to the bridge company here is the shifts

1st shift---6am until 430 pm

2nd shift---430 until 3 am

weekend shift---6 am until 6 pm



Thank you very much for this information:

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This means that Ron could have:

Picked up HaLeigh from her bus stop and then went to work

He arrived home just before 3:30...................

[Motomom]

Not to be crude, but since Haleigh has been missing as of early morning the 10th....
moving her little body would be an ordeal if she was deceased since then. :crying:

I agree.. I have a question. Maybe they are requestioning her because of the rumor of her being at a party. I'm wondering how "tired" or 'sleepy" did she look when LE got there. i'm also wondering what she was wearing. Was she in pjs, indication that she had been home and was sleeping? I believe she could have left the home, after the kids went to sleep, thinking small town, nothing happens here. I doubt she knew about the sex offenders.. all45 of them. Maybe she did leave and go to a party.. She most likely wouldn't have went in her jammies..course I may go out in my jammies, but I'm not a 17 yr old out to party either LOL.

[Rick777]

What about the a/c guy though? I am sure he would of seen the kids...ok well he would of seen MY kids because they are curious when anyone comes over to do work and try to follow them around like puppies. Also whomever went and dropped off the clothes said they seen the kids eating on the porch...who knows though, everyone changes their statements more than they do their underwear.



hahaha! thats funny about your kids! :laugh: