Wednesday Feb 25, #1

[CANDYKISSES]

I think YOU are too hung up on trying to prove Ron has a record of drug use.
I think LE looked at the charges and the circumstances surrounding them and took it for what it was.
Add that to the fact it took place before the child that is missing was even born and I think it matters even less.

Someone could have you arrested for assault on nothing more than their word- those charges would then be dropped. That doesn't make you a violent offender.

Please don't leave out his sister.....:thumbup:

Please don't forget to go back to if he could have a juvie record for stealing a candybar em......:w00t:

JMO, but it's way beyond tiresome when you look at the history of this case.

[Motomom]

Thats disgusting she is with her step brother! This is what crystal said in her profile
General: Taking care of my baby girl Chloe and the other brats thats pretty much it!!!! Oh yeah and my grown up baby Chad!!!

I'm not a fan of Crystals, but.. doesn't sound like they were raised together, and even if they were at some point in time.. they aren't blood relatives. Looks like her mother and his father go together at some point. I thought someone knew when but I don't remember.

[Texas48]

Good afternoon to ALL. I woke up early this am so did catch up on last night and early morning post. IMO..POST of ALL POST is # 995 by CCIC..2-25-09 at 12:31 am. If you have not read it please do so. I think it is great ideas. jmo:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Motomom]

Do you REALLY think any/some/every person involved in investigating Haleigh's disappearance think..

IT DOES NOT MATTER

that Ron has those drug arrests?

THAT is the question.

I know what the court records show. I am asking if you think the INVESTIGATORS are even half as dismissive about Ron's arrests on drug charges. You know, the people working on figuring out Haleigh's disappearance?

I do not think for one short moment those investigators are saying, "gee Wally, better disregards those arrests, the dude wasn't convicted".

JMO


I'm sure they have looked into it all. But it's 2009 now.. I forget when the last arrest was.. wasn't it 2005?

[VC2]

Yes, I was the one bringing that up last night.... and many responded supporting what I thought. After I went to bed and before sleep I reviewed Nancy Grace in my head. It is almost like she is a little hesitant to blast anyone by pointing the finger to a mysterious man in black. Marc Klass at first also blasted the family and even he has taken a few steps back. BTW: I happen to love his hair. :biggrin:

My theory is that certain lawyers who work with her have warned her for whatever reason to go easy on the big extended family. Maybe the fiasco Geraldo made added to that warning.... but whatever it was that happened, I can tell the difference in her reporting of this case.

I trust Nancy Grace.... we will see where this all leads. I am proud that she keeps the case current and in the news.

probably bc she knows that attacking a parent whose child has been stolen in a kidnapping is probably one of the lowest things an anchor or victims rights advocate can do without evidence that they are culpable. She also seems to have good relations with LE so im pretty sure she knows some off the record things that make her believe ron is deserving of emptathy not rocks. Only the lowest of the low cruel and sadistic type of person would attack a father whose child was stolen unless there was evidence to show they were involved.

IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Good Lord, I am glad someone finally started to pick up on this family. Here is what I notice. Each time something comes out about Crystal that explains how Ron wound up with the children, WELLLLLL LO AND BEHOLD HERE COME THE ACCUSATIONS and WILD STORIES. But just like in the court record, when this group is called upon to clarify the accusations it seems to go to TRIPLE or better HEARSAY IMOO. :cursing:

Momma don't feel like getting up to get a child to the doctor, grandpa can't spell his grandchild's name, and nobody could get them from the devil....

Why you say????

They were all lazy and quite content to let the chips fall where they did but for CHILD SUPPORT IMOO. :sneaky:

Butter Bean and Haleigh BOTH DESERVED BETTER IMO, but I can't change their parentage and neither seems fit to raise a stuffed animal in my eyes. But those same eyes see LOVE :wub: in photos and a face that belong to Ron and I am not seeing it in Crystal....just not seeing it. Check out the number of photos of Chloe vs Butter Bean and Haleigh on the myspace. Keep in mind there were a few years of a head start too.

JMO

He doesn't call Haleigh by her name. He calls her "my child". He tells whoever has her "she's not your property". Who would think of the word "property" when talking about their missing daughter?

I'll agree that they both deserved better. But I'll also say that Crystal's being "too tired to get out of bed" with an infant and another child that's barely past one year old is also symptomatic of Post Partum Depression, which I doubt was treated, so I won't assign the title of "lazy" to her. Not yet anyway.

I don't see love in Ron's eyes, nor do I hear it in his voice.

JMO

[VC2]

I'm sure they have looked into it all. But it's 2009 now.. I forget when the last arrest was.. wasn't it 2005?

Yep. and imo LE is far smarter than a bunch of gossipy old ladies who hear the words arrested for pot and somehow translate that into a major drug user whose neighborhood buyer kidnapped adn murdered a child over a debt but hid it. Happens in novels (unless you are talking multi million dollar deals of the sort that doesn't applie to casual users).

Some ppl reading the news might think omg its so important but it isn't. Smoking a joint or two and having it found in your car when you are stopped for speeding is hardly a big deal and has zero to do with a kidnapped and murdered child (probably murdered).

IMO

[Mimi428]

I think YOU are too hung up on trying to prove Ron has a record of drug use.


<snipped>

Whose house did Haleigh disappear from?

Which of Haleigh's parents has been willing admit, I have used drugs?

Which of Haleigh's parents has been unwilling to admit they have even been arrested on drug charges?

You are entitled to your own opinion, of course. I don't think LE, including the FBI, is going to be nearly so dismissive about Ron's past as you may think they will be. It's just that simple.

If he had hadn't started out with deceptive behavior, he wouldn't have caused me a moment's anxiety. But he appears to have begin with deception & doesn't seem to be giving up being deceptive, not even when his own child's life is at stake.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I think YOU are too hung up on trying to prove Ron has a record of drug use.
I think LE looked at the charges and the circumstances surrounding them and took it for what it was.
Add that to the fact it took place before the child that is missing was even born and I think it matters even less.

Someone could have you arrested for assault on nothing more than their word- those charges would then be dropped. That doesn't make you a violent offender.

That's true and we should expect the same treatment to both parents, wouldn't you agree?

This is exactly what happened in the Lunsford case. People were posting criminal records of every Lunsford up and down the East Coast - it didn't matter that no relation could be established. It was done. Credit records, foreclosures, arrests, convictions, - nothing was left out. 99.99% of these people were not even related to Mark Lunsford or Ruth or Archie. This was nothing but dragging innocent people into the fray simply because their last name was Lunsford. Or they were related to the ex-wife's cousin's mechanic's third grade teacher.

And NONE OF IT was related to that filthy man who had Jessica stashed in his closet across the street.

<off the soapbox, but I reserve the right to pull it back!>

[dgfred]

Does the lean-to and the homemade (wood/tree) chair strike up the curiosity with any of you? Seems someone may have been 'watching' from the woods to me.

[CelticDawn]

what really gets me about all of this mess is that SO MANY PEOPLE are MORE CONCERNED with outing ANY of this childs relatives for drug use, assault...not paying child support....living sleazily.....ANYTHING....and dont seem to be that interested in FINDING THE CHILD or her remains!!!....and seeking justice for whatever was done to this innocent baby!

[caphill]

Do you REALLY think any/some/every person involved in investigating Haleigh's disappearance think..

IT DOES NOT MATTER

that Ron has those drug arrests?

THAT is the question.

I know what the court records show. I am asking if you think the INVESTIGATORS are even half as dismissive about Ron's arrests on drug charges. You know, the people working on figuring out Haleigh's disappearance?

I do not think for one short moment those investigators are saying, "gee Wally, better disregards those arrests, the dude wasn't convicted".

JMO


I would think that charges that were not prosecuted almost 7 yrs ago before Haleigh was even a twinkle in his eye would be of no bearing on this abduction.

I would think LA would be much more concerned with the filing of the State of a Contempt of Court order for back child support . Since Crystal had previous taken the children and not returned when Ron had custody would be concerning. I would think Crystal and her family going to the media to make accusations, report tips, and other diversionary tactics concerns the LE, FBI and any other investigators a great deal.

[Motomom]

<snipped>

Whose house did Haleigh disappear from?

Which of Haleigh's parents has been willing admit, I have used drugs?

Which of Haleigh's parents has been unwilling to admit they have even been arrested on drug charges?

You are entitled to your own opinion, of course. I don't think LE, including the FBI, is going to be nearly so dismissive about Ron's past as you may think they will be. It's just that simple.

If he had hadn't started out with deceptive behavior, he wouldn't have caused me a moment's anxiety. But he appears to have begin with deception & doesn't seem to be giving up being deceptive, not even when his own child's life is at stake.

JMO

Mimi, when was he asked if he was arrested on drugs? Geraldo asked him if he DID drugs. He might not do them NOW. Geraldo didn't say..were you ever arrested before..and arrests don't make one guilty. I know Geraldo said something about the charges after asking about the drugs and I don't believe Ron answered, but I may be mistaken. If someone else took this child, some stranger, someone not involved with drugs, do you think what happened in 2005 is going to matter? I don't know where he started out with deceptive behavior because I havent' seen proof of that yet.

[emdragon]

Thanks for the link about Melinda Ducket - it almost sounds familiar now, but please forgive me and I hope it is ok - but, was Trenton Ducket over found? - Was he alive? - Any arrest?

Sorry to be off topic and if you can't answer her can someone point me in the right direction?

Now, back on topic - I will ask again - Does anyone have any information at all about the car/truck/SUV/ ??? - that police have?

No Trenton was never found- Melinda took that to her grave.

No idea what the vehicle searched was- speculation is that it was the missing SO car left abandoned when he went MIA but nothing has been confirmed.

[CANDYKISSES]

Not necessarily.

IMO

I married into a family where there are chosen ones.

That's all I'll say about that. :wink:

Is it fair to guess you prolly wasn't it? :blushing: JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79


I guess Chad has some other kids too? IMO

I think Chad might be the result of the frying pan to the fire....JMO tho. :wink:

[crymeariver2006]

Is it fair to guess you prolly wasn't it? :blushing: JMO

Oh no, I was the favorite in-law, but my DH was not the favorite child.

[CANDYKISSES]

The child support issue has been put on the back burner, as it should be, at this time.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

Your link simply states the order was cancelled UNTIL HALEIGH IS FOUND. There is nothing stated about whether or not it has any relevance to this case IMO.

[beachpatty]

[QUOTE=horse64;12828745]Thanks for the link about Melinda Ducket - it almost sounds familiar now, but please forgive me and I hope it is ok - but, was Trenton Ducket over found? - Was he alive? - Any arrest?




no, it's very interesting if you care to delve further, many theories and taking sides.

[CANDYKISSES]

He doesn't call Haleigh by her name. He calls her "my child". He tells whoever has her "she's not your property". Who would think of the word "property" when talking about their missing daughter?

I'll agree that they both deserved better. But I'll also say that Crystal's being "too tired to get out of bed" with an infant and another child that's barely past one year old is also symptomatic of Post Partum Depression, which I doubt was treated, so I won't assign the title of "lazy" to her. Not yet anyway.

I don't see love in Ron's eyes, nor do I hear it in his voice.

JMO

I've seen him speak to her by name on his pleas for her return. :huh:

[frances1]

Yep he is her step brother. They were not raised as brother and sister though.

imo

But still. It sounds so Jerry Springerish. Just sayin'.

[Speedy30]

But still. It sounds so Jerry Springerish. Just sayin'.

Right, but so does a 24 year old with 3 kids with 2 other woman living in a trailer with his 17 year old girlfriend.

[CC I See]

what really gets me about all of this mess is that SO MANY PEOPLE are MORE CONCERNED with outing ANY of this childs relatives for drug use, assault...not paying child support....living sleazily.....ANYTHING....and dont seem to be that interested in FINDING THE CHILD or her remains!!!....and seeking justice for whatever was done to this innocent baby!....please don't shout, we get the point.

[CC I See]

But still. It sounds so Jerry Springerish. Just sayin'..... there is probably enough going on with the family for a whole season of Jerry Springer but that isn't what is important except if it leads to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Once she is found then the whole family can fight it out.

[kkmiausa]

another take on this would be that IF this were the case, maybe Ron has some information that said person doesn't want divulged to LE or testified to in court or via a deposition. As long as Ron keeps his mouth shut, Haleigh stays alive.
...understand ...this is just a scenario

???
If he were an informant he obviously would know who he had information on and would send law enforcement right to them. I also don't think an "informant" working for the law would be shacking up with underage girls. JMI

Same as the man in black story.He was probably told that by Ron and Misty as an explanation to where Haleigh is. If he really saw a man in black why didn't he scream!??

[frances1]

.... there is probably enough going on with the family for a whole season of Jerry Springer but that isn't what is important except if it leads to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Once she is found then the whole family can fight it out.

You're right, CC.

[caphill]

There are one of two things that happened to Haleigh. It was either a familar abduction or it was a stranger abduction.

If it was a stranger abduction, the perp could be someone in the area or someone passing through. If it was a familiar abduction, all family and extended family members need to be examined. Which brings up the question of why Ron would need to abduct his own sleeping child.

Deciding which kind of abduction is the huge job of local, state and federal officers. These LE officers must be pulling their hair out trying to keep their investigation on track. I would think the likes of Geraldo inserting himself to stir the mud is just one of many frustrations the LE has to deal with. Unfounded rumors passed off as tips adds to their work load.

[RiverWalk]

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79


I guess Chad has some other kids too? IMO


Clerk file date: 7/3/2006 Judge: DAVID A GLANT
SAO case no.: Disposition: CASE CLOSED
Pros attorney: MELTON BESSINGER Def attorney: JOHN MAGUIRE
Status: CASE CLOSED Status date: 10/11/2007
Party(s):
GRIFFIS, CHAD VERNON (8/5/1979)
Charges
POSSESSION OF COCAINE
Court Events
Date Event Judge Location
10/09/2006 ACCEPT PTI DAVID A GLANT BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
09/11/2006 CASE MANAGEMENT DAVID A GLANT BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
08/07/2006 ARRAIGNMENT DAVID A GLANT BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
Progress Dockets
Image Date Description
10/11/2007 NOLLE PROSSED SEQ: 1
10/11/2007 CASE CLOSED
02/26/2007 PAYMENT OF $16.70 RECEIVED ON FC02
02/08/2007 PAYMENT OF $13.45 RECEIVED ON FC02
02/08/2007 PAYMENT OF $16.75 RECEIVED ON FC02
12/22/2006 PAYMENT OF $16.45 RECEIVED ON FC02
12/22/2006 PAYMENT OF $16.45 RECEIVED ON FC02
12/06/2006 PAYMENT OF $10.10 RECEIVED ON FC02
12/06/2006 PAYMENT OF $10.10 RECEIVED ON FC02
10/09/2006 PRE-TRIAL INTERVENTION AGREEMENT - 12 MONTHS
10/09/2006 ASSESSED FF FELONY CRT COST 100.00 DUE 10/09/2007
09/20/2006 D.O.C. - PRE-TRIAL INTERVENTION BACKGROUND INVESTIGATI
09/11/2006 ACCEPT PTI SET FOR 10/09/2006 AT 09:00 IN CRT/ , JDG:
09/11/2006 DAVID A GLANT
08/09/2006 STATE'S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT AND DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DI
08/07/2006 ORDER SETTING PRETRIAL CONFERENCE AND TRIAL
08/07/2006 PROVISIONAL ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
08/07/2006 WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY/DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
08/07/2006 CASE MANAGEMENT SET FOR 09/11/2006 AT 09:00 IN CRT/ ,
08/07/2006 JDG: DAVID A GLANT
08/07/2006 DEFENSE ATTY: JOHN MAGUIRE ASSIGNED
07/18/2006 FILED 1
07/18/2006 ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 08/07/2006 AT 09:00 IN CRT/ , JDG:
07/18/2006 DAVID A GLANT
07/18/2006 CASE MANAGEMENT SET FOR 09/11/2006 AT 09:00 IN CRT/ ,
07/18/2006 JDG: DAVID A GLANT
07/03/2006 CASE FILED WITH CLERK
07/03/2006 JUDGE DAVID A GLANT ASSIGNED
07/03/2006 PROSECUTOR: MELTON BESSINGER ASSIGNED
07/03/2006 ARREST 1
07/01/2006 SURETY BOND 01987565 A OPEN 1500.00

http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx
And 8 charges on the CIVIL side

[kkmiausa]

But Misty doesn't hear a thing.

:confused:

Apparently Junion did???? I don't think so. I remember being a child and having terrible nightmares about someone chasing me and it was always either a goblin type image or a person in black. Why didn't he scream or cry out when he saw someone taking his sister? There was no man in black it was something planted in his mind by either his grandmother or Ron and Misty.

[Motomom]

The child support issue has been put on the back burner, as it should be, at this time.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

I agree with you. Until Haleigh is found. However I also think that something should have been done about long before Crystal got over 4 grand in the arrears.

[RiverWalk]

Interesting about Crystal Sheffield

Clerk case no.:


Location: FileRoom
Clerk file date: 7/2/2007 Judge: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
SAO case no.: Disposition: CASE CLOSED
Pros attorney: EDWARDS, GREGORY L. Def attorney: LARRICK, JOAN T
Status: CASE CLOSED Status date: 8/7/2008
Party(s):
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D (4/30/1985)
Charges
FALSE REPORT TO LAW AUTHORITY
Court Events
Date Event Judge Location
02/27/2008 PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
01/09/2008 CASE MANAGEMENT JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
12/05/2007 ARRAIGNMENT JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
Progress Dockets
Image Date Description
08/07/2008 NOLLE PROSSED CNT: 1
08/07/2008 CASE CLOSED
06/20/2008 ASSESSED CT PARTIAL PYMT $25 SETUP 25.00 DUE 06/20/2008
06/20/2008 PAYMENT OF $25.00 RECEIVED ON CTPPSU
02/27/2008 DEFERRED PROSECUTION
01/22/2008 STATE'S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
01/09/2008 PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE SET FOR 02/27/2008 AT 10:00 IN
01/09/2008 CRT/1, JDG: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
12/14/2007 DEFENDANT'S PLEA OF NOT GUILTY
12/14/2007 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
12/06/2007 CASE MANAGEMENT SET FOR 01/09/2008 AT 04:35 IN CRT/1,
12/06/2007 JDG: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
12/05/2007 DEFENSE ATTY: LARRICK, JOAN T ASSIGNED
12/05/2007 ORDER OF INDIGENT & ORDER APPT PD
10/30/2007 FILED SEQ: 1
10/30/2007 ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 12/05/2007 AT 09:00 IN CRT/1, JDG:
10/30/2007 JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
07/02/2007 CASE FILED WITH CLERK
07/02/2007 JUDGE JOSEPH M WILLIAMS ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 PROSECUTOR: EDWARDS, GREGORY L. ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 DEFENSE ATTY: PRO SE ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 SWORN COMPLAINT SEQ: 1

http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx
Sheffield%

[crymeariver2006]

???
If he were an informant he obviously would know who he had information on and would send law enforcement right to them. I also don't think an "informant" working for the law would be shacking up with underage girls. JMI

Same as the man in black story.He was probably told that by Ron and Misty as an explanation to where Haleigh is. If he really saw a man in black why didn't he scream!??

And if he was an informant, LE's not about to let him stay in a tent, right at the street, where anybody could drive by and take a shot at him.

IOW, if he's an informant, I'm the Queen of England.

[Motomom]

???
If he were an informant he obviously would know who he had information on and would send law enforcement right to them. I also don't think an "informant" working for the law would be shacking up with underage girls. JMI

Same as the man in black story.He was probably told that by Ron and Misty as an explanation to where Haleigh is. If he really saw a man in black why didn't he scream!??

Good point about about the possibility of him being an informant and living with Misty...

I don't know if the man in black story is true. Maybe Junior saw him leaving with her? Maybe it is his imagination... 3 yr old Blake.. "mommy's in the rug".. He was right :crying:

[crymeariver2006]

Interesting about Crystal Sheffield

Clerk case no.:


Location: FileRoom
Clerk file date: 7/2/2007 Judge: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
SAO case no.: Disposition: CASE CLOSED
Pros attorney: EDWARDS, GREGORY L. Def attorney: LARRICK, JOAN T
Status: CASE CLOSED Status date: 8/7/2008
Party(s):
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D (4/30/1985)
Charges
FALSE REPORT TO LAW AUTHORITY
Court Events
Date Event Judge Location
02/27/2008 PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
01/09/2008 CASE MANAGEMENT JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
12/05/2007 ARRAIGNMENT JOSEPH M WILLIAMS BAKER CO COURTHOUSE
Progress Dockets
Image Date Description
08/07/2008 NOLLE PROSSED CNT: 1
08/07/2008 CASE CLOSED
06/20/2008 ASSESSED CT PARTIAL PYMT $25 SETUP 25.00 DUE 06/20/2008
06/20/2008 PAYMENT OF $25.00 RECEIVED ON CTPPSU
02/27/2008 DEFERRED PROSECUTION
01/22/2008 STATE'S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
01/09/2008 PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE SET FOR 02/27/2008 AT 10:00 IN
01/09/2008 CRT/1, JDG: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
12/14/2007 DEFENDANT'S PLEA OF NOT GUILTY
12/14/2007 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
12/06/2007 CASE MANAGEMENT SET FOR 01/09/2008 AT 04:35 IN CRT/1,
12/06/2007 JDG: JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
12/05/2007 DEFENSE ATTY: LARRICK, JOAN T ASSIGNED
12/05/2007 ORDER OF INDIGENT & ORDER APPT PD
10/30/2007 FILED SEQ: 1
10/30/2007 ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 12/05/2007 AT 09:00 IN CRT/1, JDG:
10/30/2007 JOSEPH M WILLIAMS
07/02/2007 CASE FILED WITH CLERK
07/02/2007 JUDGE JOSEPH M WILLIAMS ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 PROSECUTOR: EDWARDS, GREGORY L. ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 DEFENSE ATTY: PRO SE ASSIGNED
07/02/2007 SWORN COMPLAINT SEQ: 1

http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx
Sheffield%

Just like in Ron's case, they have the words NOLLE PROSSED CNT: 1.

Or is it just Ron that gets the Do Not Prosecute designation?

[RiverWalk]

Just like in Ron's case, they have the words NOLLE PROSSED CNT: 1.

Or is it just Ron that gets the Do Not Prosecute designation?

Nope. Same thing, imo.

[CC I See]

There are one of two things that happened to Haleigh. It was either a familar abduction or it was a stranger abduction.

If it was a stranger abduction, the perp could be someone in the area or someone passing through. If it was a familiar abduction, all family and extended family members need to be examined. Which brings up the question of why Ron would need to abduct his own sleeping child.

Deciding which kind of abduction is the huge job of local, state and federal officers. These LE officers must be pulling their hair out trying to keep their investigation on track. I would think the likes of Geraldo inserting himself to stir the mud is just one of many frustrations the LE has to deal with. Unfounded rumors passed off as tips adds to their work load..... I think Haleigh was killed in a fit of rage by her caregiver. This reeks of Susan Smith with her story of two bushy headed men taking her children. And Casey Anthony pointing the finger at the Nanny, Zenaida Gonzales taking Caylee. In this case it is a man dressed in black taking Haleigh.

Do I believe it is possible that a sexual predator took Haleigh, sure that is possible. Yes, I know that Jessica Lunsford was abducted and killed by John Couey.... but from the start that case was different. A door was left open by her Dad. But the stories the family told never changed. Facts stayed the same for the very start of the case. This case has a different feel from the start at least it does for me.

[RiverWalk]

Interesting that she always appears before the same judge. There's another doc where she tries to help a prisoner escape. I'll have to go look for it again.


moo

And another Judge is named Griffis that heard a Nancy Marie Sheffield Griffis case.

[Mimi428]

Interesting that she always appears before the same judge. There's another doc where she tries to help a prisoner escape. I'll have to go look for it again.


moo



There is??

I know there is one for Ron's SISTER, but I was not aware that there was one on Haleigh's mother.

What a mell of a hess of a group. Sheesh.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

.... there is probably enough going on with the family for a whole season of Jerry Springer but that isn't what is important except if it leads to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Once she is found then the whole family can fight it out.

Jerry Springer would resign in disgust.

IMO

[Motomom]

Todays sighting first reported to be in Michigan was actually in Indiana and was proved to be false.

awww.. that stinks. I was hoping one of these sightings would be true.

[RiverWalk]

for the help..so sad about Trenton.

Am I understanding correctly, that Crystals husband has been arrested for cocaine?

Crystal isn't married to Chad. They just have a baby girl together.

Yes and then the charges were dropped. Lots of dropped cases in Florida or maybe with just this group of "characters".

[VC2]

Your link simply states the order was canceled UNTIL HALEIGH IS FOUND. There is nothing stated about whether or not it has any relevance to this case IMO.

right! and even though i do not think Crystal is involved in haleighs disappearance, a Jessica lunsford style SO is far more likely to me, IF i had to say which family member acted "guiltier" and had a definite motive, it would be crystal with the child support as a motive. Eerie that she disappeared at the same time as the hearing was meant to happen, quite a coincidence.

certainly i would be looking into crystal deeply if i was LE, she could have paid someone to do it even if she had a solid alibi.

like i said, i don't think either of the parents have culpability in this but if we are looking at them then crystal screams motive to me, far more than 5 year old possession pot charges.
imo

[odyssey]

This timing is REALLY curious.

I think we all agree that men kill over not wanting to pay child support and can remember cases where that happened. Men killing pregnant girlfriends or babies, right around the time of their court appearance.

Crystal has a fiance. How upset was he that she owed $4100 and then $323 per month that would take away from his own family with her?

*bing, lightbulbs are beginning to go off*

That would explain why the door was propped open. Whoever had Haleigh was coming back for Junior and that's when Misty woke up and thwarted it, by being awake and aware.

Does that sound possible to anyone? That somehow Crystal's fiance might be involved? It's just really odd that Ronald was notified of the court hearing the day before Haleigh disappeared. Was Crystal also notified then?

The part I bolded I have considered as well.
Also the article states they have dismissed the contempt of court case until Haleigh is found.
sooo .. what happens to child support if she isn't found?

I know everytime my ex gets something in the mail about the child support he has not paid for our son (he has not paid a dime since he left in 2007), he calls me and goes absolutely ballistic. I dread it everytime the state presses - which they do because I have to have a medical card for my son so I can afford to take him to the doctor regularly.

[Motomom]

The part I bolded I have considered as well.
Also the article states they have dismissed the contempt of court case until Haleigh is found.
sooo .. what happens to child support if she isn't found?

I know everytime my ex gets something in the mail about the child support he has not paid for our son (he has not paid a dime since he left in 2007), he calls me and goes absolutely ballistic. I dread it everytime the state presses - which they do because I have to have a medical card for my son so I can afford to take him to the doctor regularly.

I imagine that God forbid Haleigh is lost forever, that her current child support may be lowered, but her arrears would still need to be paid.

[baby4brennn]

well Crystal said about taking care of her baby and other brats so i'm sure she was referring to her kids Haleigh and jr. how many kids does chad have and do they live with them? still would you want to marry your step brother? i think its sick. Is she that desperate? i didnt know crystal said she couldnt get out of bed for to take her kids to the drs? or did someone else say it?

[Texas48]

I'm not a fan of Crystals, but.. doesn't sound like they were raised together, and even if they were at some point in time.. they aren't blood relatives. Looks like her mother and his father go together at some point. I thought someone knew when but I don't remember.Have to agree w/you AGAIN Motomom.IMO..I see nothing wrong w/Crystal being involved w/stepbrother. Very possible they met first and then their parents became involved..no matter..no blood relatives..bottom line.

[Armchairdet]

well Crystal said about taking care of her baby and other brats so i'm sure she was referring to her kids Haleigh and jr. how many kids does chad have and do they live with them? still would you want to marry your step brother? i think its sick. Is she that desperate? i didnt know crystal said she couldnt get out of bed for to take her kids to the drs? or did someone else say it?

But my understanding is they met as adults, or at least were not raised as siblings. What if they had met first and then their parents? Do you think their parents should not have gotten married because it would make them step siblings?
They are not actually related, just by marriage.

[Texas48]

probably bc she knows that attacking a parent whose child has been stolen in a kidnapping is probably one of the lowest things an anchor or victims rights advocate can do without evidence that they are culpable. She also seems to have good relations with LE so im pretty sure she knows some off the record things that make her believe ron is deserving of emptathy not rocks. Only the lowest of the low cruel and sadistic type of person would attack a father whose child was stolen unless there was evidence to show they were involved.

IMOI think a case where there is a baby/child kidnapped or murdered really gets to her. Yea..she talk tough and can hold her own but she, just like us, gets involved and our hearts break everyday for these children and families/victims. Maybe we see it more on her as she gets older and has become a mother herself. jmo

[Peaches]

Good Lord, I am glad someone finally started to pick up on this family. Here is what I notice. Each time something comes out about Crystal that explains how Ron wound up with the children, WELLLLLL LO AND BEHOLD HERE COME THE ACCUSATIONS and WILD STORIES. But just like in the court record, when this group is called upon to clarify the accusations it seems to go to TRIPLE or better HEARSAY IMOO. :cursing:

Momma don't feel like getting up to get a child to the doctor, grandpa can't spell his grandchild's name, and nobody could get them from the devil....

Why you say????

They were all lazy and quite content to let the chips fall where they did but for CHILD SUPPORT IMOO. :sneaky:

Butter Bean and Haleigh BOTH DESERVED BETTER IMO, but I can't change their parentage and neither seems fit to raise a stuffed animal in my eyes. But those same eyes see LOVE :wub: in photos and a face that belong to Ron and I am not seeing it in Crystal....just not seeing it. Check out the number of photos of Chloe vs Butter Bean and Haleigh on the myspace. Keep in mind there were a few years of a head start too.

JMO


MOO................this post is right on the money!

[HI_CYCLE]

Your aren't kidding. I've never seen anything like this. Both families seem to spend more time in court than they do taking care of their babies. What a mess!

moo
And... I was chastised by a couple of posters for saying, ignorance breeds ingnorance.... Now are people beginning to get the picture.
You raise your children with the same morals you are raised with.
i would be willing to bet, the majority of people on welfare and food stamps were raised on the same. It`s called, the trickle down effect.
All this law calling is typical in these area`s.

[Texas48]

He doesn't call Haleigh by her name. He calls her "my child". He tells whoever has her "she's not your property". Who would think of the word "property" when talking about their missing daughter?

I'll agree that they both deserved better. But I'll also say that Crystal's being "too tired to get out of bed" with an infant and another child that's barely past one year old is also symptomatic of Post Partum Depression, which I doubt was treated, so I won't assign the title of "lazy" to her. Not yet anyway.

I don't see love in Ron's eyes, nor do I hear it in his voice.

JMOGreat point of the use of the word PROPERTY when speaking about his daughter. Had heard Ron use the term on several occasions and had thought it was strange but really brought it out when you posted it the way you did.

[frances1]

Your aren't kidding. I've never seen anything like this. Both families seem to spend more time in court than they do taking care of their babies. What a mess!

moo

Yeah, they should all have their law degrees by now.

[Texas48]

That's true and we should expect the same treatment to both parents, wouldn't you agree?

This is exactly what happened in the Lunsford case. People were posting criminal records of every Lunsford up and down the East Coast - it didn't matter that no relation could be established. It was done. Credit records, foreclosures, arrests, convictions, - nothing was left out. 99.99% of these people were not even related to Mark Lunsford or Ruth or Archie. This was nothing but dragging innocent people into the fray simply because their last name was Lunsford. Or they were related to the ex-wife's cousin's mechanic's third grade teacher.

And NONE OF IT was related to that filthy man who had Jessica stashed in his closet across the street.

<off the soapbox, but I reserve the right to pull it back!>Get back on your soapbox and stay there cryme. You make good points as so many here do. It is strange how ppl entire lives are opened up to the public when an incident such as this happends. I know LE/FBI has to probe into all. We end up knowing families lives inside and out. jmo

[FoxySly]

You mean you don't find it just a tiny bit strange that contempt of court charges were filed against Crystal the 10th and Haleigh just simply vanishes ...?!?!
Crystal has spent lots of time tossing accusations towards Ron. Funny I have never heard her mention being over $4,000.00 behind in HER child support payments.
jmo

Nor has Ron bad mouthed her about it.

Sly

~

[Motomom]

Couldn't Crystal have went to the courts and addressed all of these problems before it got to the contempt of court-charges? (I have no clue really-just wondering) !!

You know she probably could have. IF her accident almost cost her her life, I imagine that there were major injuries. Not sure when the accident was, nor what her life threatening injuries were, but I did see the car pictures and it was nasty looking. She would have easily enough been able to get her some doctors signature for not being able to work, they may have put a hold on child support. I know they did that to someone here AND his problem was mostly bogus. She should have done that.. however her children still have a right to child support, whether she is working or not. IMO Chad has chosen to take on life with her.. life includes Haleigh and Junior nd their support.

[Peaches]

Crystal was in a auto accident that nearly killed her. She suffered injuries has a result. In addition, she was pregnant for nine mos., plus after care for the infant.

At $350 oer month, that's about a year of support she didn't, couldn't pay. Under the circumstances, I can see why.

moo



MOO - she received a settlement from that accident around the holidays.

At that time she purchased a house.

Why did she not pay her child support then?

Does she think that she owes her children nothing? Any parent who walks away and does nothing to make sure that their children are well cared for..........meaning food/shelter/clothes and some of the things they want...............is SCUM.....................and that is my opinion.....whether they be male or female!

These children deserve so much more!

[Motomom]

Nor has Ron bad mouthed her about it.

Sly

~

This is true. In fact, I haven' heard him or his family really badmouth Crystal. I know in the beginning he didnt' want to discuss certain things iirc

[baby4brennn]

CAN ANYONE clue me in on important stuff that has happened the last 3 days cause i have been so busy, now i feel lost??? please help?

[Motomom]

MOO - she received a settlement from that accident around the holidays.

At that time she purchased a house.

Why did she not pay her child support then?

Does she think that she owes her children nothing? Any parent who walks away and does nothing to make sure that their children are well cared for..........meaning food/shelter/clothes and some of the things they want...............is SCUM.....................and that is my opinion.....whether they be male or female!

These children deserve so much more!


Peaches, when was her accident do you know? I don't know if she got a settlement yet and wasn't the date of the courtpapers for custody the end of 05? When the father wrote about her buying a house and all?

[VC2]

I'm willing to bet Ron used that with Crystal too. As leeverage. I can only imagine how he spoke to her. He is one angry man. I shudder how he spoke to Haleigh when she crossed him.

moo

uh you see saying to a possible kidnapper that his daughter is a little girl, not "property" that can just be taken like stolen goods? Pleading for them to bring her back is somehow bad and pointing out she is a child who has a dad who loves her is bad???

ok i dont get it. Why is it a negative to point out to some sleazy creep who has stolen your daughter, probably for rape and other horrors that she is NOT PROPERTY, she is a child!!! That they didnt just steal someones cache of porn mags. I think this wish to attack ron has gone to far if that is considered evidence of his being bad.

and btw i sure hope he DID tell crystal the exact same thing if she was treating haleigh like a doll or a forgotten toy, that she is not property. You have a problem with that?

[Texas48]

Apparently Junion did???? I don't think so. I remember being a child and having terrible nightmares about someone chasing me and it was always either a goblin type image or a person in black. Why didn't he scream or cry out when he saw someone taking his sister? There was no man in black it was something planted in his mind by either his grandmother or Ron and Misty.I have many many grandchildren and they ALL have great imaginations. Parents told Jr. his sissy is missing or maybe someone "bad" came and took her. In his little mind he associates "bad" with man in black. Watch all video games(or most) bad ppl are dressed in black and good guys are dressed in white. I don't believe anyone coached him..this is just how little boys look at things.jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I just don't know Motomom! It just seems that she didn't have a problem spilling her guts about Ron's mistakes, but forgot to mention that she has not been responsible either! I am praying so hard that Haleigh is still alive....

Other than the child support, what could/would he say?

She admits to her drug use, and IIRC said she is clean now.

:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

uh you see saying to a possible kidnapper that his daughter is a little girl, not "property" that can just be taken like stolen goods? Pleading for them to bring her back is somehow bad and pointing out she is a child who has a dad who loves her is bad???

ok i dont get it. Why is it a negative to point out to some sleazy creep who has stolen your daughter, probably for rape and other horrors that she is NOT PROPERTY, she is a child!!! That they didnt just steal someones cache of porn mags. I think this wish to attack ron has gone to far if that is considered evidence of his being bad.

and btw i sure hope he DID tell crystal the exact same thing if she was treating haleigh like a doll or a forgotten toy, that she is not property. You have a problem with that?

That's not how he said it though. He said "she's not your property". He didn't say, "she's a child, not property" or "she's not your child".

[Peaches]

Peaches, when was her accident do you know? I don't know if she got a settlement yet and wasn't the date of the courtpapers for custody the end of 05? When the father wrote about her buying a house and all?



Custody I think 12/05..............that means Ron was responsible for a young baby, Ron Jr and HaLeigh was a little over 1. I admire him for being willing to do this. I know how much work this is even if you have help.

House purchase...........December 2009 ----It said during the holidays that Crystal signed the final papers.............that means to me that her bf does not have his name on it.

Not sure about the accident but I think it was before she gave birth to Chloe...............who is what 9 months old.

Even saying this...........HaLeigh and Jr..........did not quit eating/still needed a place to live/clothes/doctors/etc....................I think she is truly a deadbeat parents. Calling these babies BRATS just makes my bp go up..............

Some posters on this board have looked for the house but it might not be on the books yet because they have not found it.

Leaving for the mountains..............back tomorrow.

Help find HaLeigh (BTW - I saw this is how her name is on her birth certificate HaLeigh)

Sweet baby please find your way home!

[Motomom]

Other than the child support, what could/would he say?

She admits to her drug use, and IIRC said she is clean now.

:shrug:

I don't know, he could have made up lies about her, like some of us believe she did.

[VC2]

MOO - she received a settlement from that accident around the holidays.

At that time she purchased a house.

Why did she not pay her child support then?

Does she think that she owes her children nothing? Any parent who walks away and does nothing to make sure that their children are well cared for..........meaning food/shelter/clothes and some of the things they want...............is SCUM.....................and that is my opinion.....whether they be male or female!

These children deserve so much more!

ITA peaches, and actually i see nothing but a loving dad with Ron since i have seen no evidence of anything other than that except as hearsay from the parent who doesn't want to pay child support and is trashing him. The little girl looked happy and loved, he got her the medical treatments she needed, seemed involved in trying to stave off some of the turners syndrome effects (hormone treatments wont save her and lack of wont kill her but they will help her growth and her sexual organs/features developing more normally). Wants to look after them, and to be honest, with every prod and nudge that he could have reasonably defended himself by bringing up crystal's behavior or lack of, he just stayed quiet and focused on haleigh. To me that is not a dad with an uncontrollable temper, but rather one that wants to focus on his daughter, not tearing down the other parent.

no he is no saint, and yeah there are probably more "ideal" places for her but all would be lacking one thing that makes all the difference between a good home and one that isn't. Love. THat makes cursing when mad completely minor imo

imo

maybe they will get lucky and a gator will be caught with bones in side them, or perhaps haleigh always wore a little ring, something that wouldn't dissolve. Cause right now it looks like she is dead and LE doesn't want to have searches or anyone helping look for the little one..let alone talk to the public. I guess haleigh is meant to be forgotten by us, or at least LE hopes so. Cause there is no scenario imo that would be harmed by having TES searching everywhere more than once. She needs to be found so she can be put to rest.

IMO

[FoxySly]

This is true. In fact, I haven' heard him or his family really badmouth Crystal. I know in the beginning he didnt' want to discuss certain things iirc


Yup, it reminds my of how my Son won't let NO ONE bad mouth his oldest 2 Children's bio mom & there's soooooo much to bad mouth her about but as my Son says "by saying she's bad they could think that makes them bad".
My Son also has custody & it was a major fight. She too is ordered to pay CS but never has, my Son don't go after it either. She has never helped on insurance, dance lessons, karate classes ect.
She did file them on her taxes 2 years ago (& got a boob job with the money). Now she's dealing with the IRS.
The Children have NEVER lived with her since the separation.

I can't help but feel sorry for all parties involved in this case 'cause to me it's like they are to ignorant to know any better.
But I was once very ignorant & very young but when I found out I was carrying my Son my world change to doing all I could to get out of the hell hole I was in & make a life for my Child.

Sly

`

[WhiteShark]

Interesting that she always appears before the same judge. There's another doc where she tries to help a prisoner escape. I'll have to go look for it again.


moo

Good gravy.........these are the first 2 "bits of info" that made me go HUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH?.........Obviously she had not problem lying to the police.............just thinkin..:glare:

[Motomom]

Custody I think 12/05..............that means Ron was responsible for a young baby, Ron Jr and HaLeigh was a little over 1. I admire him for being willing to do this. I know how much work this is even if you have help.

House purchase...........December 2009 ----It said during the holidays that Crystal signed the final papers.............that means to me that her bf does not have his name on it.

Not sure about the accident but I think it was before she gave birth to Chloe...............who is what 9 months old.

Even saying this...........HaLeigh and Jr..........did not quit eating/still needed a place to live/clothes/doctors/etc....................I think she is truly a deadbeat parents. Calling these babies BRATS just makes my bp go up..............

Some posters on this board have looked for the house but it might not be on the books yet because they have not found it.

Leaving for the mountains..............back tomorrow.

Help find HaLeigh (BTW - I saw this is how her name is on her birth certificate HaLeigh)

Sweet baby please find your way home!



Have fun in the mountains. According to this

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

pg 9 line 23 talks about her purchasing a home. but the date is jan 2006.

Am I misunderstanding something on there? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong one. If she indeed purchased a home, in 06 it should be public record somewhere.

[emdragon]

" she always appears before the same Judge"

Wow I guess none of you who find that so damning have ever lived in a small town or a county. We have ONE Superior Court Judge and ONE District Court Judge- people here ALWAYS appear before the same Judge. lol

I find nothing unusual or unseemly about it.

(and when there is a conflict of interest they bring in a traveling Judge.)

[rosieposett]

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Do you mean to say none of the women are with Harvard alumni?
pass the smelling salts......I'm about to faint

With the seriousness of this case, I don't mean to laugh, but that was funny.

The thing that gets to me with this case is it is like a boomerang. It always comes back to Misty no matter how many times it is tossed in the air. Also the scent dogs tracked her to the traintracks then her scent disappears, that doesn't sit well either. The boomerang effect says Misty yet the scent dogs seems to bring in a possible abduction. I am so hoping this little darling comes home soon. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I really hope for her childrens sake she is clean, cryme!! I have no clue what he could say?! I just wish that Haleigh could be found -safe!!

Me too, me too!

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know, he could have made up lies about her, like some of us believe she did.

Most of the time, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

JMO

[Motomom]

Most of the time, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

JMO

Well there's always a bit of truth in all lies. LOL good point.

[bluwaters]

First Look at Haleigh Home Video
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132221&catid=3

[Lorakai]

CW has put up a poll on our stickies, make sure you vote :)

Also, only one subject so far says no discussion, CW has pointed out that there are only a couple posts in our categories. I've tried starting a discussion about theories, one that is not marked no discussion, I see there have been readers but no posts :(

If you have some info that fit into these categories please share... I may have some gaps, mistakes etc. I'm hoping that we can use both the daily and the subjects.

I'm really focused on the facts that lead up to finding Haleigh. In any case, I hope Haleigh is found, and I hope users here find the info I initially posted about missing Haleigh useful.

:wub: Lorakai

[kitty1182]

First Look at Haleigh Home Video
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132221&catid=3

I pray she is found safe very soon......
Looks like it was a beautiful Christmas morning, beautiful tree too.....

[Rick777]

Misty has been suspiciously absent for about a week now.

[Motomom]

That was lovely. Haleigh was loved, no doubt about it.

It was a good idea to block out Junior, but there's tons of pics on the web that show him riding horses with Tim and his Dad.

moo

Isn't she a cutie. Maybe Crystal and whoever else may have pictures of butterbean up, maybe they should take them down ASAP.

I just sent JVM a comment... and boy I feel better.

[WhiteShark]

Yup, it reminds my of how my Son won't let NO ONE bad mouth his oldest 2 Children's bio mom & there's soooooo much to bad mouth her about but as my Son says "by saying she's bad they could think that makes them bad".
My Son also has custody & it was a major fight. She too is ordered to pay CS but never has, my Son don't go after it either. She has never helped on insurance, dance lessons, karate classes ect.
She did file them on her taxes 2 years ago (& got a boob job with the money). Now she's dealing with the IRS.
The Children have NEVER lived with her since the separation.

I can't help but feel sorry for all parties involved in this case 'cause to me it's like they are to ignorant to know any better.
But I was once very ignorant & very young but when I found out I was carrying my Son my world change to doing all I could to get out of the hell hole I was in & make a life for my Child.

Sly

`

Many have heard this so I will make it brief: my ex kidnapped our sons when they were 1 and 2, before one had to have SSN. I paid over 20 grand to investigators. LE wouldn't pay attention to me because he was the father. Speed ahead to 1986 when he filed his taxes, they got him. I went to court in a state up north with my custody papers. I got custody of two little boys who thought some other woman (I learned later, 2 women was their mother) was taking them away, far away from the only family they had known. The oldest told me a story of asking his dad where the lady with long dark hair was and he was told she died............we don't know to this day if he told both of them I was dead or what. Forward ahead again to 3 yrs ago, I got word their father was dying. I had allowed them remain in telephone contact as they chose. (on advice of our counselor) When he died they went to the funeral. It took all I had in me, but I went with them. I will never forget walking into a building full of people who facilitated and actively assisted with the kidnapping of my babies. But the 4 of us walked in holding hands. Me, hubby and the boys............now I am so thankful I never let any one in my family badmouth my dead ex.

[SwFlorida]

Haleigh looks like a happy well cared child IMO... But I got chills when I saw the video..the last gift that she opened was a purple hat, kinda like Jessica Lundsford pink one..IMO

Bring Haleigh home!!! :rose:

[Motomom]

Misty has been suspiciously absent for about a week now.

Absent from the media.. that's a good thing I think at this point. Keeps her from getting fairly or unfairly villified somewhat..I think it's better for LE too.

[caphill]

I'm willing to bet Ron used that with Crystal too. As leeverage. I can only imagine how he spoke to her. He is one angry man. I shudder how he spoke to Haleigh when she crossed him.

moo


Where is there evidence he was "one angry man". I understand his anger at someone coming into his home and stealing his child. I thought he was very controlled to not have flattened Geraldo on the spot.

I wondered if Geraldo's intention was to get in Ron's face to provoke him to a screaming match and/or get physical.

[Motomom]

Where is there evidence he was "one angry man". I understand his anger at someone coming into his home and stealing his child. I thought he was very controlled to not have flattened Geraldo on the spot.

I wondered if Geraldo's intention was to get in Ron's face to provoke him to a screaming match and/or get physical.

I believe that is exactly what Geraldo wanted to happen.

[CC I See]

Misty has been suspiciously absent for about a week now..... Misty is street smart and capable of looking out for her own interests. I think that she is indeed capable of fooling LE becasue she IS seventeen and has been handled with kid gloves throughout this whole investigation. Maybe because it is a small town and everyone seems to be related to every other person either by blood or by relationship that this is allowed to continue.

We won't find out what happened to Haleigh until she breaks..... and something tells me that she is using another well known person as a role model to keep her mouth shut. She doesn't need the services of a lawyer to tell her to do it either.

[WhiteShark]

Where is there evidence he was "one angry man". I understand his anger at someone coming into his home and stealing his child. I thought he was very controlled to not have flattened Geraldo on the spot.

I wondered if Geraldo's intention was to get in Ron's face to provoke him to a screaming match and/or get physical.

I am with you caphill. GR was trying to provoke Ron. Ron juts stood there answering the questions eyeballing him. I felt that GR wanted RC to swing, but alas, Ron's family stepped in ran them off. This is only one of many reasons I don't watch him or foxnews

[legalmania]

.... Misty is street smart and capable of looking out for her own interests. I think that she is indeed capable of fooling LE becasue she IS seventeen and has been handled with kid gloves throughout this whole investigation. Maybe because it is a small town and everyone seems to be related to every other person either by blood or by relationship that this is allowed to continue.

We won't find out what happened to Haleigh until she breaks..... and something tells me that she is using another well known person as a role model to keep her mouth shut. She doesn't need the services of a lawyer to tell her to do it either.

It may be she just doesn't want to live in a tent or camper. I believe she is holding something back. IMO she was not there a lot longer than what she admits.

[WhiteShark]

What a heartwrenching story White Shark. Your an amazing woman to feel no bitterness. What a journey you've been on.

Don't give me to much credit my friend. I spoke badly, very badly of that man, and kept him in court so he would pay support etc.....I am not sad he is dead at all but, the boys just never knew about it. I told my family and we would only talk about it when they weren't around. Don't give me to much credit. I have just had "the Greater Power" with in times of need.
PS: I am still not sad. sorry :tongueside:

[breeze53]

MOO - she received a settlement from that accident around the holidays.

At that time she purchased a house.

Why did she not pay her child support then?

Does she think that she owes her children nothing? Any parent who walks away and does nothing to make sure that their children are well cared for..........meaning food/shelter/clothes and some of the things they want...............is SCUM.....................and that is my opinion.....whether they be male or female!

These children deserve so much more!


I couldn't agree more with your post we are raseing 4 grandkids on a monthly dibabilty check with no child support from there mother ( my daughter) or none of the fathers of these children. The courts can't even keep up with them they all move to fast. But i feel blessed to be raseing these kids not on a rich income but with the love we have and a stable home. This is excatly what doing drugs will do for you they dont care about the kids at all. Sad but true, I love my daughter but i would put her in the scum category because she just dont care. As to why Crystal never calls her kids in between visits it's because she dont care. She most likely has detached herself from them another things drugs does for you.

[TN Serenity]

It may be she just doesn't want to live in a tent or camper. I believe she is holding something back. IMO she was not there a lot longer than what she admits.


She has admitted not being there????

(Text bolded for emphasis)

[FoxySly]

now I am so thankful I never let any one in my family badmouth my dead ex.
~Snip

It takes a REAL PARENT to do what you & others have done, understanding WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CHILDREN no matter what.

I also call it a labor of love & well worth the work IMO.

Sly

~

[legalmania]

She has admitted not being there????

(Text bolded for emphasis)

That's how closely I'm following this case, how long has she admitted to not being there?

[breeze53]

That's how closely I'm following this case, how long has she admitted not to being there?


I have thought i was following it pretty close but i dont recall hearing this. But i havent been on alot today either.

[CC I See]

That's how closely I'm following this case, how long has she admitted not to being there?.... Misty has not admitted that she left the children alone the night Haleigh went missing. It is speculation by posters that she did.

[FoxySly]

I believe that is exactly what Geraldo wanted to happen.


Yup, me too.

Here's a nice little story on what's his name at the end HaLeigh's story is mentioned:

Geraldo faces his nightmare

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.
http://m.jax2go.com/topic/1074-Most%20Popular/articles/190421697

Sly

~

[WhiteShark]

~Snip

It takes a REAL PARENT to do what you & others have done, understanding WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CHILDREN no matter what.

I also call it a labor of love & well worth the work IMO.

Sly

~

Thanks Sly. It is hard, really hard sometimes. But you have to keep your eye on the ball with every intention of putting the child first and foremost. My boys didn't realize they were to young to be left alone and needed sitters (that fact was the cause of our most common fights, and them believing they could hang out in the streets like Boston to all hours with no reports to me. It was surely a hard initial 6 months. With the help of a great counselor, we worked it all out, she died and the youngest boy, myself and DH went to her funeral. I felt like I had lost my touchstone....................but we are doing it, now I am the grandmother to 2 beautiful grandbabies.

[Motomom]

That's how closely I'm following this case, how long has she admitted not to being there?

She hasn't admitted that. She said she was there. It's just assumptions by some, that she may have left the house for a short/long period of time.

[4Kids]

Other than the child support, what could/would he say?

She admits to her drug use, and IIRC said she is clean now.

:shrug:
Hi River. I actually think there is alot more Ron could say. The things that Crystal and her family reference are not provable, and apparenty by the Court's standards unbelievable as well. Ron could accuse Crystal of abusing her daughter. Ron can call Crystal a deadbeat Mom. Ron could bring up specific things that Crystal did throughout their relationship that would make he look very bad publicly. They need not be true. They simply need to be stated. Then the public can tear her up, as they are Ron. Ron opted not to go there. He is searching for his daughter. For that, I give him credit. It may turn out that I am very wrong about my feelings on this case, but i truly hope hot. MOO

PS. your siggy suggests you may have been or have someone in your family in the Marines. If so...thanks for your service. Semper fi.

[legalmania]

.... Misty has not admitted that she left the children alone the night Haleigh went missing. It is speculation by posters that she did.

Ok so she admits to being there right? She was in bed and when she went to the bathroom Haleigh was not there and the back door was open?

[CC I See]

Ok so she admits to being there right? She was in bed and when she went to the bathroom Haleigh was not there and the back door was open? Yes, that is one of her stories.

[4Kids]

Ok so she admits to being there right? She was in bed and when she went to the bathroom Haleigh was not there and the back door was open?

Thats how I understood it based on reports in the press. I have yet to see much of anything coming diretly from LE, however.

[Barbara fl.]

Don't give me to much credit my friend. I spoke badly, very badly of that man, and kept him in court so he would pay support etc.....I am not sad he is dead at all but, the boys just never knew about it. I told my family and we would only talk about it when they weren't around. Don't give me to much credit. I have just had "the Greater Power" with in times of need.
PS: I am still not sad. sorry :tongueside:


You do deserve credit.....I worked for an airline for 23 years and I hate to tell you how many times I saw mothers putting their children on a plane to visit their father and dogging the father to the children while they were departings....they would say things like don't forget to tell your father he owes me this and he owes me that....There were so many times that I saw the mothers literally destroy the trip for their children before they ever got on the plane....The children would look all down and out thinking that they had to tell their fathers the things that the mother was telling them to.....

Children should not be told these things...it belongs with the adults only......so, yes, I give you a lot of credit to not want to hurt your children....no matter what kind of a man he was....

So many mothers don't stop to think that their childrens father was THEIR choice not the childrens...so why make the children pay for it......JMOO

[Rick777]

.... Misty is street smart and capable of looking out for her own interests. I think that she is indeed capable of fooling LE becasue she IS seventeen and has been handled with kid gloves throughout this whole investigation. Maybe because it is a small town and everyone seems to be related to every other person either by blood or by relationship that this is allowed to continue.

We won't find out what happened to Haleigh until she breaks..... and something tells me that she is using another well known person as a role model to keep her mouth shut. She doesn't need the services of a lawyer to tell her to do it either.


Are Ron and Misty still "together"?

[legalmania]

That's how I understood it based on reports in the press. I have yet to see much of anything coming directly from LE, however.

Thanks I haven't been on much but I didn't think LE would let her disappear after admitting she left the kids alone, which would be grounds for arrest child neglect.

[CC I See]

Thats how I understood it based on reports in the press. I have yet to see much of anything coming diretly from LE, however.. I think there was a story where it was Junior that got up to go to the bathroom..... Also, I think there is a story where it was Haleigh that got up to go to the bathroom and the next thing she knew the light was on in the kitchen and Haleigh was gone.

[Barbara fl.]

I believe that is exactly what Geraldo wanted to happen.



It is no wonder that he had his nose broken a few times...that man is terrible....I don't watch his show...I just happened to tune in that night and believe me it wont happen again.....

[CC I See]

Are Ron and Misty still "together"?According to news media, they state that Misty is with her family, Junior is with his mother and Ron is with his family. We don't know if this is true.

[CelticDawn]

Thanks I haven't been on much but I didn't think LE would let her disappear after admitting she left the kids alone, which would be grounds for arrest child neglect.

I know shes responsible...but was she legally responsible?....and what is the age of responsibility in FL?....
Some people say shes just a kid...others say shes as good as being an adult...

[legalmania]

. I think there was a story where it was Junior that got up to go to the bathroom..... Also, I think there is a story where it was Haleigh that got up to go to the bathroom and the next thing she knew the light was on in the kitchen and Haleigh was gone.

I don't get it I had a friend who lived in a trailer and spent the night I couldn't sleep because of all the noise you could hear every sound. I don't know how people are getting in and out undetected. They must sleep like rocks.

[4Kids]

. I think there was a story where it was Junior that got up to go to the bathroom..... Also, I think there is a story where it was Haleigh that got up to go to the bathroom and the next thing she knew the light was on in the kitchen and Haleigh was gone.

HI CC. I haave heard various accounts of that night from the press. In fact, I have read articles up until yesterday that change some key "facts" that we have heard. None of these are from LE. It is ever changing accounts from the press. LE has yet to release the actual "statements" from any of the family involved. So, until then, I guess we have to wait it out. MOO

[WhiteShark]

Thanks Sly. It is hard, really hard sometimes. But you have to keep your eye on the ball with every intention of putting the child first and foremost. My boys didn't realize they were to young to be left alone and needed sitters (that fact was the cause of our most common fights, and them believing they could hang out in the streets like Boston to all hours with no reports to me. It was surely a hard initial 6 months. With the help of a great counselor, we worked it all out, she died and the youngest boy, myself and DH went to her funeral. I felt like I had lost my touchstone....................but we are doing it, now I am the grandmother to 2 beautiful grandbabies.
I apologize for leaving somethhing out...........

I have one great DIL:wub: and sadly another soon to be ex DIL:cursing:

[legalmania]

I know shes responsible...but was she legally responsible?....and what is the age of responsibility in FL?....
Some people say shes just a kid...others say shes as good as being an adult...

Did I read she claimed emancipation?

[breeze53]

I know shes responsible...but was she legally responsible?....and what is the age of responsibility in FL?....
Some people say shes just a kid...others say shes as good as being an adult...

Are all of them still there? Is Ron still in the trailer the lady loaned him? Or has he went with his family?

[4Kids]

I apologize for leaving somethhing out...........

I have one great DIL:wub: and sadly another soon to be ex DIL:cursing:

I commend you for being a strong woman. I don't know if I could have done what you did...but what you did was the right thing to do. Way to go Mamma. MOo

[CC I See]

I don't get it I had a friend who lived in a trailer and spent the night I couldn't sleep because of all the noise you could hear every sound. I don't know how people are getting in and out undetected. They must sleep like rocks. bolding to address.
.........maybe, they were never there in the first place.

[WhiteShark]

You do deserve credit.....I worked for an airline for 23 years and I hate to tell you how many times I saw mothers putting their children on a plane to visit their father and dogging the father to the children while they were departings....they would say things like don't forget to tell your father he owes me this and he owes me that....There were so many times that I saw the mothers literally destroy the trip for their children before they ever got on the plane....The children would look all down and out thinking that they had to tell their fathers the things that the mother was telling them to.....

Children should not be told these things...it belongs with the adults only......so, yes, I give you a lot of credit to not want to hurt your children....no matter what kind of a man he was....

So many mothers don't stop to think that their childrens father was THEIR choice not the childrens...so why make the children pay for it......JMOO

Barbara fl..............thanks my friend :wub:

[breeze53]

She was on one of the videos this week walking into the trailor, but peeps are saying she doesn't stay overnight.

moo

Are they letting them go in and out of that trailer or was she going in with LE. Strange LE is still holding that trailer isn't it?

[legalmania]

bolding to address.
.........maybe, they were never there in the first place.

Well Ron was working are you saying that Misty and the kids weren't there?

[legalmania]

Are they letting them go in and out of that trailer or was she going in with LE. Strange lewis still holding that trailer isn't it?

I was just going to say the same thing. What are they doing? I would give them a couple of days but almost 2 weeks is ridiculous.

[breeze53]

I was just going to say the same thing. What are they doing? I would give them a couple of days but almost 2 weeks is ridiculous.

I wonder what all le took from that trailer to have tested? We haven't heard a thing they took that i can remember.

[CC I See]

Well Ron was working are you saying that Misty and the kids weren't there?..... I think there were there...... but maybe the man in black was not there.

[Motomom]

It is no wonder that he had his nose broken a few times...that man is terrible....I don't watch his show...I just happened to tune in that night and believe me it wont happen again.....

I hear ya.. the only thing is, he's usually the only one on the weekends with weekend news regarding any of the cases it seems.. the rest tend to be reruns. I don't watch him often though, only when I'm following a case.

[odyssey]

I've been rolling things over in my mind and looking through links and surfing places and I have noticed another coincidence ..

Chad Reynolds had a sister who tragically died in a car crash in May of last year. She was 21 then. She lived in Lady Lake, Florida

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16402313/detail.html


Earlier in this thread there was a link to an arrest of Crystal with mugshots and the town listed on it was Lady Lake.

I have read all of these towns are very small and I am wondering if it is possible that some of HaLeigh's relatives and Danyell knew each other. Crystal would be like a year older than her. And if any of them knew Danyell perhaps they had met Chad ...


moo

[legalmania]

I wonder what all le took from that trailer to have tested? We haven't heard a thing they took that i can remember.

I have a feeling their getting tips from Orange County to get everything the first time and not give anyone time to tamper with evidence.

[breeze53]

I hear ya.. the only thing is, he's usually the only one on the weekends with weekend news regarding any of the cases it seems.. the rest tend to be reruns. I don't watch him often though, only when I'm following a case.

Did anyone watch NG tonight? Where is everyone.

[Motomom]

Did anyone watch NG tonight? Where is everyone.

I did, but I was only half listening. I'll watch the repeat at 10 I think.

[playnice]

I've been rolling things over in my mind and looking through links and surfing places and I have noticed another coincidence ..

Chad Reynolds had a sister who tragically died in a car crash in May of last year. She was 21 then. She lived in Lady Lake, Florida

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16402313/detail.html


Earlier in this thread there was a link to an arrest of Crystal with mugshots and the town listed on it was Lady Lake.

I have read all of these towns are very small and I am wondering if it is possible that some of HaLeigh's relatives and Danyell knew each other. Crystal would be like a year older than her. And if any of them knew Danyell perhaps they had met Chad ...


moo

Well thats interesting.

[odyssey]

Did anyone watch NG tonight? Where is everyone.

I watched it. It was mostly about the Casey Anthony case and the depositions of her parents by Zanny .. or lack of depos that is. Also a bit about Amber Dubois, a 14 year old that went missing on the way to school February 13th.

moo

[CC I See]

Did anyone watch NG tonight? Where is everyone.... they are the CA thread.

[legalmania]

..... I think there were there...... but maybe the man in black was not there.

Do you know how old the little boy is?

[odyssey]

Do you know how old the little boy is?

He turned four the weekend after HaLeigh was abducted.


moo

[CC I See]

Do you know how old the little boy is?Ron Junior just turned 4 this month.

[legalmania]

I did, but I was only half listening. I'll watch the repeat at 10 I think.

Sometime she just gets on my nerves, when she does her speed questioning, if someone doesn't answer quick enough or they don't answer what she wants to hear she'll move on instead of debating just a little.

[legalmania]

What am I? Minced meat?

So, he is capable of giving an accurate description, do you think he really saw something or was it the power of suggestion?

[breeze53]

What am I? Minced meat?



LOL nope there just didnt seem to be anyone posting a few mins ago:w00t:

[breeze53]

Sometime she just gets on my nerves, when she does her speed questioning, if someone doesn't answer quick enough or they don't answer what she wants to hear she'll move on instead of debating just a little.

She's famous for cutting people off.

[breeze53]

So, he is capable of giving an accurate description, do you think he really saw something or was it the power of suggestion?

imo only I think the mother made this up or asked him if he seen anything and he came up with this.

[CC I See]

So, he is capable of giving an accurate description, do you think he really saw something or was it the power of suggestion? It was dark and we don't know what he saw. I would like to know if after he supposedly saw this man in black why he didn't wake Misty and tell her since it must of scared him.... or maybe she wasn't in bed beside him.

[playnice]

JVM tonight was about Ron getting alot of arrests with hardly any convictions. Could he be an informant and someone wanted revenge?
Also the timing of this child support issue . Could it be motive?
Also said all sightings so far have not been Haleigh.

[legalmania]

It was dark and we don't know what he saw. I would like to know if after he supposedly saw this man in black why he didn't wake Misty and tell her since it must of scared him.... or maybe she wasn't in bed beside him.

He may have saw LE, who knows when they questioned this boy, I wonder if they woke him up before LE got there or after?

[Mimi428]

JVM tonight was about Ron getting alot of arrests with hardly any convictions. Could he be an informant and someone wanted revenge?
Also the timing of this child support issue . Could it be motive?
Also said all sightings so far have not been Haleigh.

Sounds like somebody besides Geraldo wonders how the guy gets arrested 2-3 times for drug charges & somehow they all get dropped.

Do the police just have it in for him? Make up bogus stuff to harrass him? If so, why hasn't he sued them?

I sure do wish we could read the arrest reports for all of them, I'm sure they would be vedddddy interesting.

I still think the people he hung around with - or people who hung around or came around him because of shared interests are going to be the key to why Haleigh disappeared. I don't think this is a case of drug dealers taking Haleigh to teach him a lesson. But I do think that when you are around people who do drugs, you will eventually be around some folks who are involved in a lot more criminal activities than drugs.

JMO

[legalmania]

JVM tonight was about Ron getting a lot of arrests with hardly any convictions. Could he be an informant and someone wanted revenge?
Also the timing of this child support issue . Could it be motive?
Also said all sightings so far have not been Haleigh.

But his charges were all misdemeanors right? Wouldn't they take the informant? I think before they take a child they know they will have to pay someone mega bucks. MOO

[Themis]

It was dark and we don't know what he saw. I would like to know if after he supposedly saw this man in black why he didn't wake Misty and tell her since it must of scared him.... or maybe she wasn't in bed beside him.
I still think Junior (who just turned 4) might very well be confused, and the 'man in black' could simply a sheriff's deputy.

A lot of kids are a bit slow to wake up; if he did wake up during the melee of the 911 calls it would have been very confusing to him. The 'cops' responded very quickly.

Little people have a poor sense of time.
(Hence, 10 minutes into a drive that they have been told will take 1 hour, they start asking "are we there yet?":biggrin:) Been there, done that way too many times!

Junior had to be confused/scared by all of Ron's shouting and cussing on the multiple 911 calls. Then again, maybe not.

In any event he was awakened with a lot of strange goings-on in his mobile home. Until I hear/read otherwise from LE I will not attribute much to Junior's statement -- which as usual is coming to us 2nd or 3rd hand.

It's also good to remember that little ones have vivid imaginations and he had to have heard a lot of adults talking about Haleigh's disappearance. Little pitchers have big ears. [JMO]

[4Kids]

But I do think that when you are around people who do drugs, you will eventually be around some folks who are involved in a lot more criminal activities than drugs.

JMO

On this sentence, Mimi, you and I agree. That is where my mind has been headed the last few days. MOO

[legalmania]

I do.
LE certainly shouldn't discount what the child says he saw.
I keep remembering the youngest Smart daughter and Blake (B. Cutts' son)

Oh yes whatever little Ron has to say should be taken seriously, he may remember more as time goes on. It leaves many question why did they take the girl and not the boy? They may be able to figure about how tall fat or thin, maybe how he smelt, good or bad? Notice I'm saying he it could be a she.

[Motomom]

She's famous for cutting people off.

That is the biggest pet peeve of mine.. when she does that it irks me to no end. She did that to Tim Miller one night when he was very upset, early on in the A case and she got tons of emails regarding it.

[Motomom]

It was dark and we don't know what he saw. I would like to know if after he supposedly saw this man in black why he didn't wake Misty and tell her since it must of scared him.... or maybe she wasn't in bed beside him.

Could it be that it was him that woke her up? That's why Ron was adamant about a man taking her? Could be they didn't want that released.. fear for junior?

ETA.. I don't recall us hearing ANYTHING about junior at that point. We know his great grandmom took him or his grandmom..but those first reports we didn't hear if junior was woken or anything.. it's just a thought though.

[Kazzle]

I suppose so. I just can't figure it out in my mind. It doesn't mean it isn't true.

To me it would go like this. Ron knows who it is, so doesn't testify, or doesn't give LE info on said person. The person lets Haleigh go and she is found by a nice person and rushed back to her family.

Now I don't see Ron keeping his mouth shut. I mean yes he might be afraid to tell who it was, but somehow I don't know for sure, and neither would the kidnappers. Then they just moved from having some drug charges to much more serious charges.

IMO

I think if he knows who has his baby, he'd go after them himself. No way he'd keep it a secret.

[caphill]

According to news media, they state that Misty is with her family, Junior is with his mother and Ron is with his family. We don't know if this is true.


According to my eyes Ron and Misty are in the camper together. I have seen a little boy running around but don't know if it is Jr.

I think we will see less and less of Ron and Misty. After the Geraldo fiasco and the Crystal interviews where she tells the "man in black" story I think the LE will encourage a button of up of interviews.

I do believe it was a very risky thing to float that Ron was an informer and Crystal to tell that Jr may have seen the intruder. What the h*ll was Crystal thinking to expose her son like that. The only thing she accomplished was giving tabloid media a talking point. Wanna bet the whole investigative teams shivered on that interview.

[VC2]

He may have saw LE, who knows when they questioned this boy, I wonder if they woke him up before LE got there or after?

i doubt LE was the one taking his sister.

why is it so difficult to believe junior when a child 2 years younger accurately described his mommy was in the rug?

IMO its because it doesn't fit posters theories, bc many of the same posters had zero problem believing the 2 year old child in Jesse's case and used it as proof it was bobbie long before the body was found.

IMO

ETA and i think a scared little boy would keep silent that night. I still feel the abduction took place shortly before three, and misty felt something or heard it subconsciously in her sleep and that is why she got up when she did. Trauma would occur when a child sees his sister taken in the middle of the night, and yes i can imagine it takes a day or two before they tell ppl what was said.

[Motomom]

Sounds like somebody besides Geraldo wonders how the guy gets arrested 2-3 times for drug charges & somehow they all get dropped.


JMO

Could be because the charges were minor charges? Not enough drugs to really get him.. Maybe he was just fined?

[Motomom]

I do.
LE certainly shouldn't discount what the child says he saw.
I keep remembering the youngest Smart daughter and Blake (B. Cutts' son)

That's right.. mommy's in the rug.. I think he had just turned three too didn't he. Big difference in kids in the early yrs.. from 3 to 4 is a big one. Junior may have just turned 4, but he had only been a week or so shy of completing his 4th yr of life.. compare him to a child who just turned 3 and it's a big difference IMO...

[VC2]

Oh yes whatever little Ron has to say should be taken seriously, he may remember more as time goes on. It leaves many question why did they take the girl and not the boy? They may be able to figure about how tall fat or thin, maybe how he smelt, good or bad? Notice I'm saying he it could be a she.

many if not most pedophiles have victim preferences. A boy is of no interest in one who wants to rape and assault a girl.

Thats why i think he was left behind.

imo

[4Kids]

According to my eyes Ron and Misty are in the camper together. I have seen a little boy running around but don't know if it is Jr.

I think we will see less and less of Ron and Misty. After the Geraldo fiasco and the Crystal interviews where she tells the "man in black" story I think the LE will encourage a button of up of interviews.

I do believe it was a very risky thing to float that Ron was an informer and Crystal to tell that Jr may have seen the intruder. What the h*ll was Crystal thinking to expose her son like that. The only thing she accomplished was giving tabloid media a talking point. Wanna bet the whole investigative teams shivered on that interview.

Cap..I said the same last night. I guarantee you that LE was PO'ed after Nancy Grace and Geraldo. MOO

[Motomom]

I think if he knows who has his baby, he'd go after them himself. No way he'd keep it a secret.

I think he would do exactly what he told that 911 operator..

[4Kids]

Could it be that it was him that woke her up? That's why Ron was adamant about a man taking her? Could be they didn't want that released.. fear for junior?

ETA.. I don't recall us hearing ANYTHING about junior at that point. We know his great grandmom took him or his grandmom..but those first reports we didn't hear if junior was woken or anything.. it's just a thought though.

Moto...I think Ron has a hunch, although he may not be right. I think he told LE right away...and I think like another poster referenced here that if Ron knew for sure, he would hunt the guy down and kill him. MOO

[legalmania]

i doubt LE was the one taking his sister.

why is it so difficult to believe junior when a child 2 years younger accurately described his mommy was in the rug?

IMO its because it doesn't fit posters theories, bc many of the same posters had zero problem believing the 2 year old child in Jesse's case and used it as proof it was bobbie long before the body was found.

IMO

ETA and i think a scared little boy would keep silent that night. I still feel the abduction took place shortly before three, and misty felt something or heard it subconsciously in her sleep and that is why she got up when she did. Trauma would occur when a child sees his sister taken in the middle of the night, and yes i can imagine it takes a day or two before they tell ppl what was said.

I really haven't formed a theory yet. I still need a whole lot of questions answered . I do believe certain children would scream, when they see a black figure, but not all. In those seconds how did that person get out so fast? Trailers are small, I would think you would bang something if you were in a hurry or you could hear the feet clumping.

[VII]

I still wanna know why all these people r still sitting in tents and a camper instead of going out everyday and searching. Just remember how close Caylee was to her home. I wouldnt be sitting on my butt everyday waiting for LE to come by and say they have nothing new.
Reminds me of George and Cindy. JMO

agree ...
the other night, Ronald's Mom said he hadn't gone out that day because nobody came by w/4-wheelers or horses ...
If I couldn't get there w/o the above, I'd get a boat and row it myself.

[legalmania]

I still wanna know why all these people r still sitting in tents and a camper instead of going out everyday and searching. Just remember how close Caylee was to her home. I would be sitting on my butt everyday waiting for LE to come by and say they have nothing new.
Reminds me of George and Cindy. JMO

Sometime LE won't let you. Once LE calls off the search they don't want the family looking for some reason. I guess in case their found it would be traumatic and also if the family finds the body it would make them suspect.

[legalmania]

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I tell ya, legal, nothing would stop me from going out and looking. jmo

I hope you're never put in that position.

[playnice]

I do.
LE certainly shouldn't discount what the child says he saw.
I keep remembering the youngest Smart daughter and Blake (B. Cutts' son)

I had forgotten all about Blake.

[legalmania]

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I pray that i never am but its what i would do if i were in that position. job

Sometimes LE has the better sense when it comes to something so emotional, I'm sure they would love to put their hands around a lot of pediophiles neck but where would that leave them? You really serve your child best by listening to them. IMO

[4Kids]

Bubbles, she's not there, is why. God knows where this darling girl is, she's not within walking distance of her family who are now downgraded from living in trailer parks to now living in tents.

They could search every day for the next 50 years within walking distance of their trailer park, and not find her.

My best guess is, start searching within walking distance of Crystal Sheffield's fiance's trailer.

Hi RachelRose. I saw the interview with this guy and it was eerie. I am having a hard time figuring this one out. These kids have probably been exposed to many of the "not the best type of people to have your kids around" folks. I think that somewhere...one of the people who came into their lives was even worse than than not the best. MOO

[4Kids]

Sometime LE won't let you. Once LE calls off the search they don't want the family looking for some reason. I guess in case their found it would be traumatic and also if the family finds the body it would make them suspect.

You are correct. Many in LE prefer the family never looks, even when official ground searches are ongoing. They suggest family does other things...fliers, posters, tv asking for help, hotlines, etc.
MOO

[legalmania]

I couldn't agree more with your post we are racing 4 grandkids on a monthly disability check with no child support from there mother ( my daughter) or none of the fathers of these children. The courts can't even keep up with them they all move to fast. But i feel blessed to be racing these kids not on a rich income but with the love we have and a stable home. This is exactly what doing drugs will do for you they don't care about the kids at all. Sad but true, I love my daughter but i would put her in the scum category because she just don't care. As to why Crystal never calls her kids in between visits it's because she don't care. She most likely has detached herself from them another things drugs does for you.

breeze I kept reading this post but didn't know where it originated. I am glad to know they are safe. It must be so hard but yet gradifying are they bitter with their mother? I believe you will be rewarded for your unselfish ways one day.

[legalmania]

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but in case anyone missed it.

Haleigh Cummings Family Shares Home Video
SATSUMA, Fla. --- Every Christmas, Haleigh Cummings' grandmother tapes her grandchildren opening up presents. This past Christmas around 4 p.m., Marie Griffis took out her video recorder and captured about 10 minutes worth of Haleigh opening up presents.http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Shares-Home-Video/h3bQPe369kOxhkEsz-Wm9g.cspx

This was posted but I can never get enough of little kids and Christmas. The look on their faces is priceless.

[4Kids]

No link yet. I'm trying to get one. A local poster on another board I am reading just heard that Misty was at a *party house* and wasn't home that night. There are two witnesses.

moo

Swaro...are you getting a link from a newspaper regarding Misty being somewhere else, or from a message board???? Have the "witnesses" been interviewed by LE? If not, you should advise them to call the authorities ASAP. MOO

[PBJMOM4]

No link yet. I'm trying to get one. A local poster on another board I am reading just heard that Misty was at a *party house* and wasn't home that night. There are two witnesses.

moo

Is the "party house" the same as the abandoned house LE took Crystal to a few days ago?

[4Kids]

Hey...am I on global ignore? LOL? Am I irritating? Have I offended?
SOS...

[Motomom]

I still wanna know why all these people r still sitting in tents and a camper instead of going out everyday and searching. Just remember how close Caylee was to her home. I wouldnt be sitting on my butt everyday waiting for LE to come by and say they have nothing new.
Reminds me of George and Cindy. JMO

Is there a webcam up there?? Where are yous seeing them sitting on their butts all day.. let me find out there's a web cam and I don't have the link :cursing: Seriously.. is there one? I thought I remember earlier on someone saying there was one but I never went and looked. If there isn't a web cam then..

how can anyone know that they are sitting around all day?

[?noanswer]

No link yet. I'm trying to get one. A local poster on another board I am reading just heard that Misty was at a *party house* and wasn't home that night. There are two witnesses.

moo

Crystal's mom was on GVS and she said that. Said she had no proof, it was only a rumor. The mom also said LE was not providing them with any information. Got in a dig on Ron & Misty. No plea for Haleigh.

Before Crystal's mom was on GVS interviewed Ron's mom. Said the only thing LE was telling them is that they are getting leads and following them up. Said she had no reason not to believe Misty's version of the events. Also made a plea for Haleigh.

JMO

[Motomom]

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I tell ya, legal, nothing would stop me from going out and looking. jmo

I agree bubbles.. at least I think I would. I would be so distraught if nobody was looking..then again if they are looking in the woods, in the water, we know they are looking for a body and maybe hope diminishes some.

[?noanswer]

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but in case anyone missed it.

Haleigh Cummings Family Shares Home Video
SATSUMA, Fla. --- Every Christmas, Haleigh Cummings' grandmother tapes her grandchildren opening up presents. This past Christmas around 4 p.m., Marie Griffis took out her video recorder and captured about 10 minutes worth of Haleigh opening up presents.http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Shares-Home-Video/h3bQPe369kOxhkEsz-Wm9g.cspx

I saw a slideshow somewhere, don't remember where. But the children looked so happy. Haleigh had her nails painted bright red in one picture. I also love the one when she is refusing to get on the school bus the first day of school. I wonder how many parents have a picture of their children doing the same thing! JMO

[Motomom]

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well, have u heard that they r out searching?

No. All I've seen is that LE called off ground searches. Haven't heard nothing about the family searching.

[Motomom]

Lol, true enough and good point. When watching both the videos tonight, I know the family is very upset that the press is pulling out, all the national press & even Orlando left, it's an empty ghost area compared to what was there a week ago. Nancy left it out of her show tonight as well. Is the media pulling out because of how tight lipped le are being? Or is the media pulling out because this family is lower income and they've lost interest.....

jmo


That's sad.. I hope it has nothing to do with their income level or lifestyle. I also hope it has nothing to do with LE being tight lipped.. I don't think the media should be up in their faces, but updates daily, every other day.. even weekly would be good.. until they find her. I imagine they all must feel so alone.

[?noanswer]

Re the parents searching. I think LE discourages them searching without other searchers. If they found something, the crime scene would be compromised. Remember when Mr. Ramsey found his daughter. There was all kinds of outrage because he handled the body. JMO

[Motomom]

Awww, you've gotta click on the link and watch the christmas video then, she's absolutely adorable and was so excited when she got a barbie doll. After that video, there's another video that follows with the story of the media pulling out and Ron & Crystal's plea's.

I didn't see the second video with their pleas. I need to pay better attention sometimes..

[4Kids]

The poster is on WS on the Greta thread. She says its coming from local news down there.

Hey Swaro...can you PM me a link? Thanks!

[breeze53]

Ita, you and I are cut from the same cloth when it comes to that situation. With every fiber of my being, I would not be sitting around smoking cigs, whether le told me or even threatened me with arrest, I would organize, beg volunteers to help, scream from the mountain top until I found my child. We are soon to be upon day 16, where the heck is Haleigh?????

jmo



I am right there with you sitting is never gonna find her. I still think shes right near that home.

[breeze53]

breeze I kept reading this post but didn't know where it originated. I am glad to know they are safe. It must be so hard but yet gradifying are they bitter with their mother? I believe you will be rewarded for your unselfish ways one day.


No there not I have tryed to teach them to love her because she's there mother and you only have one. She very seldon calls them and when she does she promises them things ike a card or something very simple but she never follows threw with it which breaks my heart . The 4 yr old has the hardest time with it. I think i was agreeing with the poster who said they thought parents were scum who didnt support there kids:w00t: And i agree with this poster.

[breeze53]

This is what Ron's day was like today


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132242&catid=3


It looks like le could at least tell them where they can search and i really cant see anyone who own property telling them no you cant search here. This case is really weird.

[breeze53]

As soon as I heard LE use the term "recover" instead of "rescue" I began to fear the worse for Haleigh :crying:

I think I took that the same way you did:w00t:

[breeze53]

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Unbelievable is right.


Hope i dont offend anyone but this just looks real bad on the parents and the grandparents. I dont think she's gonna come walking back home all by herself:cursing:

[4Kids]

And while LE thought I was out taping up posters I would be scouring everywhere I could think of until I dropped from fatigue. Even if I found my child's body I would want to be the one who found it. I would never rest it would end up consuming and killing me I'm sure of it.

Justamama...I know. I would feel the same way. I don't know what I would do...LE would be telling me I could jeopordize the investigation, of that I am sure. If I did not DO SOMETHING...I would go over the edge. My 4 children are my life. So yeah...I am with you. MOO Stay tuned. I think we will see Ron go over the edge. Just a gut feeling. MOO

[breeze53]

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I know how u feel..........its the same thing i would do. I just dont understand people. jmo



Ron is young maybe he really dont know how to go about doing a search and believe me i am NOT takeing up for him but it looks like his mother who i think works for the sheriff depart. would know who to get in contact with to keep this going. I am with some other posters nothing or no one could stop me from searching.Somethinig is very wrong here very wrong. Do they just think they can sit there forever?
Get out and ask for people to help you. Theres nothing wrong with asking for help.I'm telling you folks something stinks here really bad.

[legalmania]

In the very beginning when Haleigh went missing, i remember Ron's dad making a plea on tv for Haleigh. But i dont remember seeing him any more after that. Anyone seen him lately?

The other day when Geraldo was attaching him was that dad telling him to get out? Short dude?

[4Kids]

I learned that song in ASL with a number of parents of newly diagnosed deaf children- we then performed if for the kids- I can't listen to it without crying to this day. (and I still sign it every time I hear it.)

Hey emdragon...we learned this too with my son who has severe ASD. We helped him learn it for a school play. Brings me to my knees. We also learned Sing, Sing a Song. ASL is like a symphony. MOO

[4Kids]

Ron is young maybe he really dont know how to go about doing a search and believe me i am NOT takeing up for him but it looks like his mother who i think works for the sheriff depart. would know who to get in contact with to keep this going. I am with some other posters nothing or no one could stop me from searching.Somethinig is very wrong here very wrong. Do they just think they can sit there forever?
Get out and ask for people to help you. Theres nothing wrong with asking for help.I'm telling you folks something stinks here really bad.

Hey Breeze. When you say something stinks...what do you mean? What are your thoughts? Moo

[breeze53]

The other day when Geraldo was attaching him was that dad telling him to get out? Short dude?

Kinda messed up hair? I think that was him.

[Themis]

It looks like le could at least tell them where they can search and i really cant see anyone who own property telling them no you cant search here. This case is really weird.

But I can see it from a property owner's point of view. LE has searched their property once, twice, maybe 3 times. Tim Miller and his E.S. folks might have been given permission to search their property as well. Add in possibly another search made up totally of volunteers with no experience or training other than 'they want to help.'

At some point I can understand property owners saying, 'no, my property has been well searched; searched a couple of times. There is no sign of Haleigh here; that has been verified.'

Returning to the first part of your first sentence, where do you expect LE to tell them where else to search when LE believes all searches to date have been thorough and have turned up nothing. Plus, LE did follow up on a few tips and re-searched areas based on them. One day based on a tip, there were 60 LE personnel searching a field for the second time for 4-6 hours.

At some point LE has to concentrate on: (A) follow up on tips, and (B) reinterview the principals and their families. This last group of people seem to be the unending source of gossip, bad-mouthing, and less than stellar backgrounds that may prove fruitful with more investigation. [JMO]

[legalmania]

Now this is the way I like the board everybody talking nicely.

[breeze53]

Hey Breeze. When you say something stinks...what do you mean? What are your thoughts? Moo

I just think somebody in that family knows what happened to Haleigh.
I dont really think Ron did anything to his daughter but i still dont trust him. Misty holds the key imo to finding Haleigh. To be honest they all look guilty to me like there hideing something and this not looking for her really bothers me. I dont think she was taken from her home by anyone I really think Misy lost it and hurt the child and Mistys brother helped get rid of the body. I think the child is right near the home but hasnt been found yet. But i am proably wrong and hope she is still alive but eveyday shes not found makes me believe there all holding something back.

[Aussie Gal]

Thanks for that information altho I understand it's not carved in stone. I so hope it's not true. I can't imagine even a girl her age would go off and leave small children by themselves. That environment too (partying) leaves people so vulnerable. Wonder if party house means drug house. Life's tough enough if a person's in their full faculties.

Why not?? The McCann's who were a lot older and Doctors saw nothing wrong in going off to wine & dine leaving their 3 young children all alone. And you should have seen the support they got..
Are we going to blame Mistys age if it is found out the she left them alone???

[Motomom]

This is what Ron's day was like today


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132242&catid=3

thanks swarovski. So this guy that visited felt Ron was genuine from the sounds of it. I'm glad they'll be back for an organized search too.

[breeze53]

But I can see it from a property owner's point of view. LE has searched their property once, twice, maybe 3 times. Tim Miller and his E.S. folks might have been given permission to search their property as well. Add in possibly another search made up totally of volunteers with no experience or training other than 'they want to help.'

At some point I can understand property owners saying, 'no, my property has been well searched; searched a couple of times. There is no sign of Haleigh here; that has been verified.'

Returning to the first part of your first sentence, where do you expect LE to tell them where else to search when LE believes all searches to date have been thorough and have turned up nothing. Plus, LE did follow up on a few tips and re-searched areas based on them. One day based on a tip, there were 60 LE personnel searching a field for the second time for 4-6 hours.

At some point LE has to concentrate on: (A) follow up on tips, and (B) reinterview the principals and their families. This last group of people seem to be the unending source of gossip, bad-mouthing, and less than stellar backgrounds that may prove fruitful with more investigation. [JMO]

I really dont know where i think le should tell them to search, i think it just amazed me when they called off the ground search so soon. I know le is doing all they can, and i would even agree property owners may get peeved when ask again but there is still a child missing and where could she be? It just looks like an awful lot of land to be searched in such a short time:w00t: nite all i gotta get off and go to bed see ya all tomorrow praying for Haleigh to be found safe and sound.

[bkwits]

I could be very wrong, but this case does not look like a revenge kidnapping to me. I think Haleigh would have been found by now. I doubt kidnappers would want to hold on to a 5 year old for more than two weeks. I don't want to discuss what usually happens in retaliation crimes, but it is very unlikely that she would still be missing.

IMO, there are two possible scenarios at play. 1) Someone very close to the family hurt Haleigh. 2) A pedophile, knowing he had easy access to Haleigh, abducted her.

ITA, I think it is one of those two scenarios. I tend to think it is the pedophile who did it. There are just so many cases where the child is snatched out of bed by the someone...Danielle Van Damme, Riley Fox, Jackie Dowaliby, JonBenet Ramsey, Polly Klaas (getting ready for bed). All have been found murdered. As far as I know, all of these cases are believed to be abductions by non family members, even the bizarre Ramsey case.

This kind of case knows no class distinction. Some were upper middle-class, some middle class, some working class. The Van Dammes had an unconventional lifestyle to say the least (they had mate swapping parties), but they did not kill their child. A pedophile did that. Riley Fox's dad was coerced into confessing that he killed his child while disciplining her, then raped her dead body. DNA and other evidence proved that he didn't harm her at all. The rapist murderer is still at large. Both the Dowaliby parents were charged with Jackie's murder. The judge threw out the case against the mom because of no evidence. The dad was convicted but sentence was overturned (no real evidence against him). Everyone knows the Ramsey and Klaas stories.

We will see what happens in this case. I hope and pray she is found alive. :rose:

[Motomom]

No there not I have tryed to teach them to love her because she's there mother and you only have one. She very seldon calls them and when she does she promises them things ike a card or something very simple but she never follows threw with it which breaks my heart . The 4 yr old has the hardest time with it. I think i was agreeing with the poster who said they thought parents were scum who didnt support there kids:w00t: And i agree with this poster.

I'm glad they have you Breeze!! You will give them a life that she obviously can't.

[playnice]

I hope they have ordered up everyones cell records. Ron, Misti Crystal and her BF.
This is a small town and I hope this isnt the biggest crime LE has ever handled but I wouldnt be surprised if it is.
that should give them some answers who was where they said they were.
I still think SO but this would help alot if they had cell records of the family at least to very their whereabouts.

[4Kids]

I hope they have ordered up everyones cell records. Ron, Misti Crystal and her BF.
This is a small town and I hope this isnt the biggest crime LE has ever handled but I wouldnt be surprised if it is.
that should give them some answers who was where they said they were.
I still think SO but this would help alot if they had cell records of the family at least to very their whereabouts.

I thought I had read the FBI was involved? Am I wrong? MOO

[legalmania]

I learned that song in ASL with a number of parents of newly diagnosed deaf children- we then performed if for the kids- I can't listen to it without crying to this day. (and I still sign it every time I hear it.)

I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you cry, just want Haleigh and every child to know that they should love themselves first, and then they can find their inner strength.

[breeze53]

I hope they have ordered up everyones cell records. Ron, Misti Crystal and her BF.
This is a small town and I hope this isnt the biggest crime LE has ever handled but I wouldnt be surprised if it is.
that should give them some answers who was where they said they were.
I still think SO but this would help alot if they had cell records of the family at least to very their whereabouts.


I can tell you we live in a very small town 1,200 if something like this happened here I do know for a fact that LE would have a hard time handleing it. We know the town cops we have 2 there both in there 20's. The sheriff's of this county are not all tha expereiced either. I can see where Ron living in a small town it may be a littler harder to solve.

[Motomom]

Hope i dont offend anyone but this just looks real bad on the parents and the grandparents. I dont think she's gonna come walking back home all by herself:cursing:

It shouldn't look bad on them IMO. Maybe on LE but what shoudl they do? Or where should they search. Sure, they should/could go back around the house, where they've already been. THey don't have the means to search the canal or river, whatever is there. I mean.. i get that they should and could be searching, but where.. If they are being told they can't search on private property..which sounds like bs to me..it seems they need guidance. why didn't equuasearch stay longer than they did? maybe it will be clearer once we get some info from LE.

[Motomom]

In the very beginning when Haleigh went missing, i remember Ron's dad making a plea on tv for Haleigh. But i dont remember seeing him any more after that. Anyone seen him lately?

he was there with the geraldo incident I think..

[emdragon]

I really dont know where i think le should tell them to search, i think it just amazed me when they called off the ground search so soon. I know le is doing all they can, and i would even agree property owners may get peeved when ask again but there is still a child missing and where could she be? It just looks like an awful lot of land to be searched in such a short time:w00t: nite all i gotta get off and go to bed see ya all tomorrow praying for Haleigh to be found safe and sound.

If Haleigh is alive I think it is a safe bet (and more than likely what both the family and LE believe)- that she is long gone.

She could be anywhere by now.

Ron searched when he had someplace to search, and to me it sounds like at this point he has no idea where to go from here.

[playnice]

I can tell you we live in a very small town 1,200 if something like this happened here I do know for a fact that LE would have a hard time handleing it. We know the town cops we have 2 there both in there 20's. The sheriff's of this county are not all tha expereiced either. I can see where Ron living in a small town it may be a littler harder to solve.

I know what you mean. I live in a town like that too with one cop.
we had one murder here that I can remember. I young girl. Guy raped and murdered her. Her sister was sitting in the closet calling 911, perp didnt know she was there. Cop arrived and got him right at the scene.
We are lucky. we only have one RSO in our town at the present time.

[4Kids]

If Haleigh is alive I think it is a safe bet (and more than likely what both the family and LE believe)- that she is long gone.

She could be anywhere by now.

Ron searched when he had someplace to search, and to me it sounds like at this point he has no idea where to go from here.

I agree. Where do you go? If LE is not guiding you, how would a person know what to do next. I think LE needs to make some public statements at this point. MOO

[legalmania]

he was there with the geraldo incident I think..

Yes I think so also. Maybe he doesn't want to start running his mouth like another couple and the be ridiculed in the media.

[Motomom]

In the second video where they show Ron and Crystal making their plea, it seemed like bbq smoke was rolling in and past them. Is this some kind of picnic that lasts indefinitely? No wonder the press is leaving. No one is searching, le isn't releasing any information and the tears from the family have dried up (and some have yet to shed a tear) what a shame.

jmo

Apparently their camps are 2 blocks apart.. it's weird IMO

[playnice]

I agree. Where do you go? If LE is not guiding you, how would a person know what to do next. I think LE needs to make some public statements at this point. MOO

ITA with you.

[playnice]

Yes I think so also. Maybe he doesn't want to start running his mouth like another couple and the be ridiculed in the media.

and that isnt helping find Haleigh either. It is taking focus off her and serving no purpose other than to sling s***

[Motomom]

Hey emdragon...we learned this too with my son who has severe ASD. We helped him learn it for a school play. Brings me to my knees. We also learned Sing, Sing a Song. ASL is like a symphony. MOO

My gram use to sing that Sing, sing a song.. make it last all night long... to me when I was young.. good good memories there.

I hope haleigh had a song to comfort her during these dark hours.

[Themis]

I hope they have ordered up everyones cell records. Ron, Misti Crystal and her BF.
This is a small town and I hope this isnt the biggest crime LE has ever handled but I wouldnt be surprised if it is.
that should give them some answers who was where they said they were.
I still think SO but this would help alot if they had cell records of the family at least to very their whereabouts.

There's no doubt in my mind that LE has acquired everyone's phone records and everyone is more than just the 4 people you have listed. It can take many labor hours for LE to do a thorough search and it is like a spider web, if you know what I mean.

While Satsuma is a small town of about 5,000 we need to remember it is covered by Putnam County Sheriff so this is likely the biggest case they've had if only based on the number of LE officials involved. Adjoining counties have also loaned some of their personnel to help in this massive search. Members of the FBI have been on the scene early on but I do not know the number of their Haleigh task force.

And while all this is happening in Putnam county it's important to remember that other counties are getting involved if only because family members live there or used to live there. All these people seem to have moved around a lot. What started out as a small spider web has now become very large. [JMO]

[emdragon]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you cry, just want Haleigh and every child to know that they should love themselves first, and then they can find their inner strength.

No don't be sorry- I think we NEED to attach songs to these kids because music makes a connection and a memory. Play it enough while showing Haleigh and people will think of her when they hear it- she'll never be forgotten.

[legalmania]

I know what you mean. I live in a town like that too with one cop.
we had one murder here that I can remember. I young girl. Guy raped and murdered her. Her sister was sitting in the closet calling 911, perp didnt know she was there. Cop arrived and got him right at the scene.
We are lucky. we only have one RSO in our town at the present time.

Yes I live in a little bigger than small town but there are so many woods it would be very difficult to find a small child.

[4Kids]

I have been wanting to say something here...and since the posters seem so nice tonight...here I go. I am only saying this assuming there has been no foul play on the part of the family (I don't think there has): I don't care about your lifestyle, or if you went out for a smoke, or if you left the kids alone for some time, if you forgot to lock the door,or if you smoke, curse, do drugs, sell drugs, are swingers, are doctors, are crane operators...nobody deserves this. If this child was taken from her home, the fault will lie with the person who took her. None of the other things matter. Nobody has a right to come in your home and take your child out of it. Nobody. And if they do, the justice that Ron suggested would be my preference. MOO.

[Mimi428]

These kids have probably been exposed to many of the "not the best type of people to have your kids around" folks. I think that somewhere...one of the people who came into their lives was even worse than than not the best. MOO


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That's what I think, too. That some of the adults in their young lives were around too much bad company - and somebody who belonged in the "bad company" group knew that Ron had switched to working nights - & decided to get into the trailer during a time they knew he would be gone.

Now whether Haleigh was the target they were after - or whether they were after something else, something to steal - & Haleigh just happened to be up & out of bed, going to the bathroom or something, so they snatched her up so she couldn't identfy them to Ron or Misty - I do not know.

I think whoever did this, whether one person or more, had a vehicle waiting & had planned from the beginning to get gone, get far away.

JMO

[playnice]

There's no doubt in my mind that LE has acquired everyone's phone records and everyone is more than just the 4 people you have listed. It can take many labor hours for LE to do a thorough search and it is like a spider web, if you know what I mean.

While Satsuma is a small town of about 5,000 we need to remember it is covered by Putnam County Sheriff so this is likely the biggest case they've had if only based on the number of LE officials involved. Adjoining counties have also loaned some of their personnel to help in this massive search. Members of the FBI have been on the scene early on but I do not know the number of their Haleigh task force.

And while all this is happening in Putnam county it's important to remember that other counties are getting involved if only because family members live there or used to live there. All these people seem to have moved around a lot. What started out as a small spider web has now become very large. [JMO]

Thats good to know that other counties are helping them.

[Motomom]

I really dont know where i think le should tell them to search, i think it just amazed me when they called off the ground search so soon. I know le is doing all they can, and i would even agree property owners may get peeved when ask again but there is still a child missing and where could she be? It just looks like an awful lot of land to be searched in such a short time:w00t: nite all i gotta get off and go to bed see ya all tomorrow praying for Haleigh to be found safe and sound.

night breeze. I don't like that they called off the ground search either, but I'm hoping they did that because they think she is alive somewhere.As far as propery owners go, I don't believe anyone should have to ask permission to search for a dead body on someones property. that's all about lawsuits I think.. o/t a cop around here was fishing around for someone..went on someones property and tripped over a BIG plow, the type that go on the front of a truck... HE is suing the homeowner. His WIFE was also sueing.. because he had some...issues we'll call it from his knee hurting him.. Not sure what came of it but IMO he would be off the force..people need to take reposnibility for their own accidents sometimes.

[odyssey]

There is a huge national park very close to Satsuma and from what I have read much of it would be difficult to search, or even get permission to search.

I just keep going back to the case of the girl who was missing and ended up being in a bunker in the woods on private property that LE had not searched and likely could not have found if they did search for it. The homemade tree chair ties into that for me for some reason.

I would really like to know if Chad Reynolds has any connection with either side of HaLeigh's family, especially with him having a sister about Crystal's age that lived around there and he himself being around the same age as Ron. He may not be involved at all but I really feel that he has either met with foul play or will end up being a part of foul play of another ... statistically that seems to fit anyway ..

moo

[legalmania]

and that isnt helping find Haleigh either. It is taking focus off her and serving no purpose other than to sling s***
Your right the last thing you want is a circus I think everything should be Haleigh, like the other night Ron instead of playing into Geraldo's game he said I want my daughter I love you Haleigh and will never stop looking.

[playnice]

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That's what I think, too. That some of the adults in their young lives were around too much bad company - and somebody who belonged in the "bad company" group knew that Ron had switched to working nights - & decided to get into the trailer during a time they knew he would be gone.

Now whether Haleigh was the target they were after - or whether they were after something else, something to steal - & Haleigh just happened to be up & out of bed, going to the bathroom or something, so they snatched her up so she couldn't identfy them to Ron or Misty - I do not know.

I think whoever did this, whether one person or more, had a vehicle waiting & had planned from the beginning to get gone, get far away.

JMO


Thats a possibility too. Perhaps someone Haleigh knew.
This case is scary.

[playnice]

Your right the last thing you want is a circus I think everything should be Haleigh, like the other night Ron instead of playing into Geraldo's game he said I want my daughter I love you Heleigh and will never stop looking.

Crystal is flapping her jaws way too much. I just dont know if she thinks she is making herself look better or she has something to hide. Im really starting to wonder about her and I am not impressed with her mother at all.

[4Kids]

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That's what I think, too. That some of the adults in their young lives were around too much bad company - and somebody who belonged in the "bad company" group knew that Ron had switched to working nights - & decided to get into the trailer during a time they knew he would be gone.

Now whether Haleigh was the target they were after - or whether they were after something else, something to steal - & Haleigh just happened to be up & out of bed, going to the bathroom or something, so they snatched her up so she couldn't identfy them to Ron or Misty - I do not know.

I think whoever did this, whether one person or more, had a vehicle waiting & had planned from the beginning to get gone, get far away.

JMO

I think if this scenario is right...that someone specifically wanted this child. This does not strike me as revenge, money kind of thing. I am thinking a pedophile. Sadly, Ron could have been a doctor, lawyer etc. and STILL subjected his daughter to a pedophile. They know no socio/economic/educational boundries. MOO

[forensicfan]

This has probably already been posted but I'm too lazy to read through all of them.

In regards to not letting people search, was it the property owners that said no or was it LE? If I remember correctly, while the search for Caylee was still going on, they didn't want people potentially trampling over crucial evidence should they find something or god forbid, a body. I think that is why they have organized searches. I've never been on one but I am under the impression that they want people to signal that they've found something suspicious but not to touch it or move anything.

Does anyone know?

[Motomom]

ITA, I think it is one of those two scenarios. I tend to think it is the pedophile who did it. There are just so many cases where the child is snatched out of bed by the someone...Danielle Van Damme, Riley Fox, Jackie Dowaliby, JonBenet Ramsey, Polly Klaas (getting ready for bed). All have been found murdered. As far as I know, all of these cases are believed to be abductions by non family members, even the bizarre Ramsey case.

This kind of case knows no class distinction. Some were upper middle-class, some middle class, some working class. The Van Dammes had an unconventional lifestyle to say the least (they had mate swapping parties), but they did not kill their child. A pedophile did that. Riley Fox's dad was coerced into confessing that he killed his child while disciplining her, then raped her dead body. DNA and other evidence proved that he didn't harm her at all. The rapist murderer is still at large. Both the Dowaliby parents were charged with Jackie's murder. The judge threw out the case against the mom because of no evidence. The dad was convicted but sentence was overturned (no real evidence against him). Everyone knows the Ramsey and Klaas stories.

We will see what happens in this case. I hope and pray she is found alive. :rose:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6196896&page=1
Just found this on the Riley Fox.. Good read.. interesting, some similarities between the two cases IMO..and OMG What a beautiful little girl :crying: makes me sick the..sickos in this world that do this to our children..

[legalmania]

No don't be sorry- I think we NEED to attach songs to these kids because music makes a connection and a memory. Play it enough while showing Haleigh and people will think of her when they hear it- she'll never be forgotten.

That's a great concept, I did it a lot with little Caylee, although it was a sad ending it was an ending. Let's hope we get little Haleigh back soon alive, do you think they will give her back with Mitsy there?

[Mayasmimi]

Read back only a few pages. IMO....Haleigh is no longer with us. With that said, I didn't think Elizabeth Smart was either. I have no idea what happened to Haleigh. Don't think she's coming back. Just my gut feeling. The family? All of them? With the exception of Ms. Neves. Yeah.

[4Kids]

That's been said often 4Kids, that it's still a crime to kidnap children out of their homes. It literally goes without saying. It's one of the most harshly punished crimes in the USA as rightly it should be. I haven't seen anyone deny it.

Just because facts of a case are discussed doesn't mean to say anyone's blaming. There are individuals in ALL cases. Impossible to discuss any case if no person's exist.

I just did not want anyone to think that any of my posts regarding lifestyles, etc. was actually blaming anyone but the person who actually did this. MOO

[forensicfan]

I think if this scenario is right...that someone specifically wanted this child. This does not strike me as revenge, money kind of thing. I am thinking a pedophile. Sadly, Ron could have been a doctor, lawyer etc. and STILL subjected his daughter to a pedophile. They know no socio/economic/educational boundries. MOO

I'm with you.

Wasn't Mark Klass the main person of interest and pretty much convicted in the eyes of the public when the search for Polly was on? If I'm not mistaken, I think few people believed someone could break into a house in the middle of a sleepover and manage to abduct the girl that lives there with the other girls there, yet that is what happened.

[legalmania]

Crystal is flapping her jaws way too much. I just dont know if she thinks she is making herself look better or she has something to hide. Im really starting to wonder about her and I am not impressed with her mother at all.

Do you think she could have something to do with Haleigh disappearance just to make Ron look bad so she can get custody?

[forensicfan]

Do you think she could have something to do with Haleigh disappearance just to make Ron look bad so she can get custody?

I briefly considered that thought myself but why not take Jr too?

[emdragon]

This has probably already been posted but I'm too lazy to read through all of them.

In regards to not letting people search, was it the property owners that said no or was it LE? If I remember correctly, while the search for Caylee was still going on, they didn't want people potentially trampling over crucial evidence should they find something or god forbid, a body. I think that is why they have organized searches. I've never been on one but I am under the impression that they want people to signal that they've found something suspicious but not to touch it or move anything.

Does anyone know?

I think is exactly the reason.

[playnice]

Do you think she could have something to do with Haleigh disappearance just to make Ron look bad so she can get custody?

The timing of this court hearing on the child support is suspicious or one heck of a coincidence. I dont think crystal as much as people around her. Maybe her BF or even her mother could have someone hiding her out. imo That woman appears hateful, bitter and creepy.
My main theory is SO but if its family Id start checking there.

[Themis]

night breeze. I don't like that they called off the ground search either, but I'm hoping they did that because they think she is alive somewhere.As far as propery owners go, I don't believe anyone should have to ask permission to search for a dead body on someones property. that's all about lawsuits I think.. o/t a cop around here was fishing around for someone..went on someones property and tripped over a BIG plow, the type that go on the front of a truck... HE is suing the homeowner. His WIFE was also sueing.. because he had some...issues we'll call it from his knee hurting him.. Not sure what came of it but IMO he would be off the force..people need to take reposnibility for their own accidents sometimes.

*Bolding is mine.

Motomom, but don't you see? You answered the bold part of your post with your O/T comment -- lawsuits!

As I said in an earlier post:

But I can see it from a property owner's point of view. LE has searched their property once, twice, maybe 3 times. Tim Miller and his E.S. folks might have been given permission to search their property as well. Add in possibly another search made up totally of volunteers with no experience or training other than 'they want to help.'

At some point I can understand property owners saying, 'no, my property has been well searched; searched a couple of times. There is no sign of Haleigh here; that has been verified.'

As sympathetic as any property owner may be over this tragic situation there comes a time when it is reasonable to refuse future searches by untrained, inexperienced volunteers because they want to poke around some more and feel that they helped. And I would be one of them. [JMO]

[Motomom]

i agree here with you. The 2 year old didn't come out and say exactly "mommy was wrapped up in the rug", but would associate the words mommy, rug and this child was probably awake and actually watched the rug being wrapped. On the other hand if a 4 yr old wakes up in a pitch black room, whatever they saw would be black.

I did not hear one thing that sounded like a 4 year old on the 911 background noise indicating the 4 yr old was even awake, until all the screaming and yelling began. jmo

No, I'm pretty sure Blake said over and over "mommys in the rug".. It breaks my heart even now to know what he witnessed his own father do to his mother and wrapped her in that quilt..then was left for 24 hours and when his grandmother got there, she said she knew (after they found jessie) that her daughter was gone at that point.. and we heard and watched I believe the video of him repeating it over and over..just terrible..

Ok, so here are my new thoughts for the night because we were discussing how nobody heard Junior and nothing really was mentioned about him other than he was sleeping. What IF he did wake up and see someone leaving with his "sissy".. what if he did.. had to clear his little head, meanwhile guy is gone, he tries to wake misty and say it takes a few minutes to wake her.. Then the story begins.. now when she's interviewed, she's already talked to police and they've informed them NOT to mention that to anybody..because obviously it puts him in danger.. Think it's possible?? it would make some sense as to why the versions that misty told were slightly different to the media..

[odyssey]

I briefly considered that thought myself but why not take Jr too?
because Misty woke up before they could put Haleigh whereever and come back for him?



moo

[Mimi428]

I thought I had read the FBI was involved? Am I wrong? MOO

No, you are not wrong. The FBI is involved.

JMO

[Motomom]

*Bolding is mine.

Motomom, but don't you see? You answered the bold part of your post with your O/T comment -- lawsuits!

As I said in an earlier post:

But I can see it from a property owner's point of view. LE has searched their property once, twice, maybe 3 times. Tim Miller and his E.S. folks might have been given permission to search their property as well. Add in possibly another search made up totally of volunteers with no experience or training other than 'they want to help.'

At some point I can understand property owners saying, 'no, my property has been well searched; searched a couple of times. There is no sign of Haleigh here; that has been verified.'

As sympathetic as any property owner may be over this tragic situation there comes a time when it is reasonable to refuse future searches by untrained, inexperienced volunteers because they want to poke around some more and feel that they helped. And I would be one of them. [JMO]

Oh I know it's lawsuits.. and I agree with you. If a property has been thoroughly searched and cleared...that would be good enough for me.. but i'd rather it be searched twice if possible, or if it is heavily wooded, lots of debries, a place to hide a body etc..

[emdragon]

That's a great concept, I did it a lot with little Caylee, although it was a sad ending it was an ending. Let's hope we get little Haleigh back soon alive, do you think they will give her back with Mitsy there?

I think that would depend on what actually happened. If Misti simply did sleep through the abduction I think they would send the kids back with her there- because it seems clear DCF was aware of her and didn't remove the kids then.

Now ask me if I think Misti would still be there... I doubt Ron would be able to look at her without placing some blame on her- warranted or not.

[legalmania]

I briefly considered that thought myself but why not take Jr too?

I think taking two would have been to hard. You would have had to use two people instead of one. Twice the probability of getting caught.

[forensicfan]

because Misty woke up before they could put Haleigh whereever and come back for him?



moo

Maybe but I'm leaning toward this being a pedophile that targeted the house.

I'm just baffled. Like everyone here, I'm just guessing because LE is keeping very tight lipped on the case. Even the most methodical of criminals leave behind some kind of evidence however remote. I think once they find a credible lead, they'll find that evidence or maybe they have found some but right now, whatever they have they aren't releasing so it's just confusing as all heck.

I just really hope they find her alive.

[4Kids]

I'm with you.

Wasn't Mark Klass the main person of interest and pretty much convicted in the eyes of the public when the search for Polly was on? If I'm not mistaken, I think few people believed someone could break into a house in the middle of a sleepover and manage to abduct the girl that lives there with the other girls there, yet that is what happened.

Yes. If I remember correctly, he was demonized. And that case occurred well before someone could look up warrants, police records, mortgage records, etc. of friends and family and post them on a message board. (Sometime in the early 90's, I think) Elizabeth's Smart's uncle was trashed. As it says in one of the regular posters sigs....there but for the grace of God, go I. MOO

[odyssey]

Maybe but I'm leaning toward this being a pedophile that targeted the house.

I'm just baffled. Like everyone here, I'm just guessing because LE is keeping very tight lipped on the case. Even the most methodical of criminals leave behind some kind of evidence however remote. I think once they find a credible lead, they'll find that evidence or maybe they have found some but right now, whatever they have they aren't releasing so it's just confusing as all heck.

I just really hope they find her alive.

That is what i am leaning to as well which is why i am focusing so much on two of the SOs I have read about ..

also think there is a slim chance it is custody/child support related but to me this does not seem like a spur of them moment thing. Seems more planned to me.

[forensicfan]

Yes. If I remember correctly, he was demonized. And that case occurred well before someone could look up warrants, police records, mortgage records, etc. of friends and family and post them on a message board. (Sometime in the early 90's, I think) Elizabeth's Smart's uncle was trashed. As it says in one of the regular posters sigs....there but for the grace of God, go I. MOO

Thank you. It was in 1993. I just checked. I also remember one, I think it was Jacqueline Dowoloby where the step dad was actually convicted and later released. I'll check the date but I think it was in the '80's.

[emdragon]

Yes. If I remember correctly, he was demonized. And that case occurred well before someone could look up warrants, police records, mortgage records, etc. of friends and family and post them on a message board. (Sometime in the early 90's, I think) Elizabeth's Smart's uncle was trashed. As it says in one of the regular posters sigs....there but for the grace of God, go I. MOO

I don't remember Mark being trashed like this at all- I think I remember he was ruled out pretty quickly between the girls that were there and the LDT. (I do remember some custody talk but that was early on)
But heck I remember after Elizabeth Smart was found people were still saying her father sold her or gave her to be a plural wife.

[Themis]

Oh I know it's lawsuits.. and I agree with you. If a property has been thoroughly searched and cleared...that would be good enough for me.. but i'd rather it be searched twice if possible, or if it is heavily wooded, lots of debries, a place to hide a body etc..
If you know that then why did you write in your earlier post:

"As far as property owners go, I don't believe anyone should have to ask permission to search for a dead body on someones property."

As a property owner I would, of course, allow Law Enforcement Personnel to search my property.

As a property owner I would even allow an experienced search team such as Tim Miller's E-S provided they signed a document releasing me from any claims for any injuries incurred while searching my private property.

As for anyone else my answer would be to people who believe as you do a resounding NO. [JMO]

[legalmania]

I just want Haleigh home safe and soon here is one more song for you baby girl: Goodnight everyone

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[4Kids]

I don't remember Mark being trashed like this at all- I think I remember he was ruled out pretty quickly between the girls that were there and the LDT. (I do remember some custody talk but that was early on)
But heck I remember after Elizabeth Smart was found people were still saying her father sold her or gave her to be a plural wife.

I recall a public sentiment of people thinking there was something untoward about the sleepover. I my be wrong. Yes..the things people came up with when Elizabeth Smart was missing were shocking. There were people out there who wanted to "blame" the parents, and even after the outcome, continued to do so. I was and remain baffled. There are also still people who question whether or not Shawn Hornbeck wanted to stay with his kidnapper. Again....baffled. MOO

[forensicfan]

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0

I don't know the name of the street that they live on but this map shows a listing of registered sex offenders in the area.

[Motomom]

If you know that then why did you write in your earlier post:

"As far as property owners go, I don't believe anyone should have to ask permission to search for a dead body on someones property."

As a property owner I would, of course, allow Law Enforcement Personnel to search my property.

As a property owner I would even allow an experienced search team such as Tim Miller's E-S provided they signed a document releasing me from any claims for any injuries incurred while searching my private property.

As for anyone else my answer would be to people who believe as you do a resounding NO. [JMO]


Uhh my original post is here.. Originally Posted by Motomom
night breeze. I don't like that they called off the ground search either, but I'm hoping they did that because they think she is alive somewhere.As far as propery owners go, I don't believe anyone should have to ask permission to search for a dead body on someones property. that's all about lawsuits I think.. o/t a cop around here was fishing around for someone..went on someones property and tripped over a BIG plow, the type that go on the front of a truck... HE is suing the homeowner. His WIFE was also sueing.. because he had some...issues we'll call it from his knee hurting him.. Not sure what came of it but IMO he would be off the force..people need to take reposnibility for their own accidents sometimes.


I bolded the part for you.. I would say YES without a doubt to anyone who wanted to search my property.. anyone that was looking for a dead body.

ETA I should have used the word KNOW instead of THINK. HOWEVER.. HAD I SAID KNOW I MAY HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR A LINK. IF I USE THINK..THAT MAKES IT MY OPINION