Tuesday 2/24

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Folks,

I start another day's thread, with the same hope and prayer that today will be the day Haleigh comes home.

Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I guess we can now confirm that Crystal did indeed take a poly...

GRACE: Well, I will ask her right now. Ms. Sheffield, have you taken a lie detector test?

SHEFFIELD: I sure have.

GRACE: And did you pass it?

SHEFFIELD: As far as I know. The man that did it told me he thinks I did, but they had to send it off to Washington to...

GRACE: And did you do it voluntarily? Did you protest or did you go...

SHEFFIELD: Yes, I did.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html

Praying Haleigh is found today :rose:

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[CNTM]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

Thank you bluwaters! *inserting rose for bluwaters*

[kOOkie1]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

:sad:I was hoping there would be some new and hopeful news this a.m.:sad:

[n/t]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

I hope the $41,000 will bring some new leads. Hard to believe a little girl can disappear without a trace. Where are all the missing children?:sad:

[8BellesFan]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the little boy, Junior saying that a man in black took his sister? I first thought wow, cool, he remembered something, but then I thought about how this was his second weekend visitation with his Mom since Haleigh went missing. I wonder how much talking is being done within his earshot. My gramma used to say little pitchers have big ears. Anyway, I hope he really is remembering.

Come Home Haleigh.

[n/t]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the little boy, Junior saying that a man in black took his sister? I first thought wow, cool, he remembered something, but then I thought about how this was his second weekend visitation with his Mom since Haleigh went missing. I wonder how much talking is being done within his earshot. My gramma used to say little pitchers have big ears. Anyway, I hope he really is remembering.

Come Home Haleigh.

I hope he is remembering too but I'm skeptical about his story not because he's lying but it could be he's having nightmares about this and he sees a boogy man or a man in black or it could be fantasy. Child psychologists would better understand and analyze if what he's saying is true or not.

The other thing that makes me skeptical is what was discussed early on that we don't hear junior in the 911 call (in the background). Was he asleep?

[Armchairdet]

http://www.kaylapearson.com/stories/haleigh-cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister.html

I wonder if he didn't have a dream some days later and believe that he saw this person, but really didn't.

IMO even at his young age, if he saw something at the time he would probably say something that night once the police arrived. Or when he heard dad and Misty talking loudly about her missing.

But you never know at that age I guess. It is worth looking into of course.

[Armchairdet]

Since LE is not saying much about anything it's possible that they heard this from JR at the beginning and it is just leaking out from the family now.

JMO


Good point .:thumbup:

[crymeariver2006]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the little boy, Junior saying that a man in black took his sister? I first thought wow, cool, he remembered something, but then I thought about how this was his second weekend visitation with his Mom since Haleigh went missing. I wonder how much talking is being done within his earshot. My gramma used to say little pitchers have big ears. Anyway, I hope he really is remembering.

Come Home Haleigh.

Whoa! We have the same gramma?

He may or may not have seen anything. If he did, why is he not telling his dad and Misty?

He may have overheard people talking about the "man" and "back door" and he may have seen police officers searching the bedroom.

Who knows?

[kitty1182]

Good morning...Praying for some good news today..

[kitty1182]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18751085/detail.html

I wonder why the house hasn't been released so they can go back in?:confused:

[Pag Boi]

Good Morning,

I guess we can now confirm that Crystal did indeed take a poly...

GRACE: Well, I will ask her right now. Ms. Sheffield, have you taken a lie detector test?

SHEFFIELD: I sure have.

GRACE: And did you pass it?

SHEFFIELD: As far as I know. The man that did it told me he thinks I did, but they had to send it off to Washington to...

GRACE: And did you do it voluntarily? Did you protest or did you go...

SHEFFIELD: Yes, I did.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html

Praying Haleigh is found today :rose:



I can only confirm that Crystal claims she took one. Can you confirm if she was saying that she took it voluntarily or that she protested? Hard for me to tell to which Q she is responding "Yes, I did"

Is it standard to send LDT to Washington? TIA

[kOOkie1]

I wonder why the house hasn't been released so they can go back in?:confused:

I was wondering that as well. I would think even though that was the last place she was seen alive LE would have already processed it and released it by now?? Is this normal?:confused:

[kitty1182]

I was wondering that as well. I would think even though that was the last place she was seen alive LE would have already processed it and released it by now?? Is this normal?:confused:


I don't recall the A's having to stay out of their house long at all while LE did a search...I don't understand it.....

[PBJMOM4]

Good Morning
Hoping for some good news today or a PC or something!

[crymeariver2006]

I can only confirm that Crystal claims she took one. Can you confirm if she was saying that she took it voluntarily or that she protested? Hard for me to tell to which Q she is responding "Yes, I did"

Is it standard to send LDT to Washington? TIA

Seeing as how NG talks over people, it would be my guess that she was answering the first part of the question regarding voluntarily taking the LDT. :wink: (But I didn't see the show last night.)

I was wondering about the Washington stuff myself. Wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing?

[Armchairdet]

I don't recall the A's having to stay out of their house long at all while LE did a search...I don't understand it.....

I think maybe because Caylee left the home with her mother iirc, and was reported missing quite some time later. So it was not considered a crime scene perhaps.

MOO of why they may differ.

[Rick777]

Maybe JR saw a man in black, or maybe it was in his mind. If JR saw anyone that night.....in the dark..it would appear to be a man in black no matter what the assailant was wearing, or if they were male or female. I don't think that helps much.

[kitty1182]

I think maybe because Caylee left the home with her mother iirc, and was reported missing quite some time later. So it was not considered a crime scene perhaps.

MOO of why they may differ.

I sure hope we hear some news today.....

[odyssey]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the little boy, Junior saying that a man in black took his sister? I first thought wow, cool, he remembered something, but then I thought about how this was his second weekend visitation with his Mom since Haleigh went missing. I wonder how much talking is being done within his earshot. My gramma used to say little pitchers have big ears. Anyway, I hope he really is remembering.

Come Home Haleigh.


Crystal gets every other weekend with Junior so if he told her about the man dressed all in black during visitation that would mean he said it the first weekend after Haleigh went missing and it was not made public until a few days ago.


moo

[crymeariver2006]

I don't recall the A's having to stay out of their house long at all while LE did a search...I don't understand it.....

Ron doesn't own the house so maybe LE has the owner's permission to keep it as long as they need to?

[Armchairdet]

I sure hope we hear some news today.....

I hope so too. It has been so long, and it seems LE is no closer to an answer. Perhaps they are, and we have just not been informed.

[FrankieBones1]

Seeing as how NG talks over people, it would be my guess that she was answering the first part of the question regarding voluntarily taking the LDT. :wink: (But I didn't see the show last night.)

I was wondering about the Washington stuff myself. Wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing?I'm thinking she meant Quantico.

[FrankieBones1]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the little boy, Junior saying that a man in black took his sister? I first thought wow, cool, he remembered something, but then I thought about how this was his second weekend visitation with his Mom since Haleigh went missing. I wonder how much talking is being done within his earshot. My gramma used to say little pitchers have big ears. Anyway, I hope he really is remembering.

Come Home Haleigh.
I thought that Crystal would have been on the scene within hours of hearing about her daughter. Wouldn't she have seen Ronald Junior then?

I just can't imagine a boy that age using the term, "All in black". Let alone a phrase like, "Back handed". (Crystal says that Haleigh told her that her dad 'back handed her'.)

[crymeariver2006]

I'm thinking she meant Quantico.

So far, she's the only one that's mentioned Washington.

Is that SOP? If so, wouldn't they have told Ron and Misty the same thing?

[FrankieBones1]

I don't recall the A's having to stay out of their house long at all while LE did a search...I don't understand it.....
LE is getting smarter these days. They should be able to keep a house or property for investigating as long as they can without the family trampling through it after a crime.

[8BellesFan]

Crystal gets every other weekend with Junior so if he told her about the man dressed all in black during visitation that would mean he said it the first weekend after Haleigh went missing and it was not made public until a few days ago.


moo

okay, so he said it just a couple of days after Haleigh went missing? Cuz she had him then. guess it wasn't clear from the interview I saw.

[FrankieBones1]

So far, she's the only one that's mentioned Washington.

Is that SOP? If so, wouldn't they have told Ron and Misty the same thing?
Wouldn't the person who oversaw the poly be able to decipher it? I've never heard of poly exams going to other cities for examining. Is it possible?

[Britney]

Has anyone reviewed this website about Haleigh?

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=243

[Pag Boi]

I'm thinking she meant Quantico.

Right. I didn't think she meant a congressional hearing but....

Is it SOP to send a LDT off for analysis?

[Pat]

So far, she's the only one that's mentioned Washington.

Is that SOP? If so, wouldn't they have told Ron and Misty the same thing?

I don't know much about LDTs. I was under the impression the person who gave the test was the person who interpreted it (which is why it is important to get someone who is very good).

I've never heard of the results being sent to "Washington", but that isn't to say it isn't true. Crystal could be correct if it was the FBI who did the test. I wonder who did Misty and Ron's tests.

FBI HQ's are in D.C. but a lot of their forensics/schools are at the Quantico Marine Corps Base in VA.

[crymeariver2006]

Is this new? Been on a different thread for a couple of days but it is from last night. IMO

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2709

This should be the one about the arrest.

Sounds like mass confusion.

Joe the Cousin is NOT a convicted pedophile. He was not arrested for anything concerning Haleigh's case. He was questioned and then LE says he is not a suspect or a POI.

The other "cousin" who Misty claimed molested her is in prison now.

IIRC

[Britney]

Is this new? Been on a different thread for a couple of days but it is from last night. IMO

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2709

This should be the one about the arrest.

LE has said the cousin is not a suspect or a POI.

[Armchairdet]

There was an arrest. I believe a local RSO was arrested on violating a curfew iirc. He is believed not to be involved in Haleighs disappearance.

IMO

[n/t]

LE is getting smarter these days. They should be able to keep a house or property for investigating as long as they can without the family trampling through it after a crime.

I totally agree. Not sure why they allowed the A's to continue to live there. My first thought was perhaps they didn't consider the home was a crime scene because Casey and Caylee didn't live there and the Anthonys hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days whereas in this case, Haleigh was at home when she was abducted.

[breeze53]

Is this new? Been on a different thread for a couple of days but it is from last night. IMO

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2709

This should be the one about the arrest.


When you click the link it comes up error.
Morning all i hope we hear some news today.

[Armchairdet]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18782020/detail.html#-

Gee, wasn't it LAST Tuesday when the "man in black" story came out?

Is the media so disinterested now that they are recycling old news?

Aaaaaargh!

[crymeariver2006]

When you click the link it comes up error.
Morning all i hope we hear some news today.

It sounded like someone took all the bits and pieces of "news" and combined them into one not-so-coherent story.

[Mimi428]

If I'm not mistaken, Misty said the same about her LD going to Washington. But aren't most, who initiate the LD trained to read them as well? Not to mention, the FBI is there involved in this case, there really isn't any need, iMO to send this tests elsewhere.

moo

I was thinking the same thing - that the examiner is the person who interprets whether the person answered truthfully, was evasive, lied, etc.

And the link that momofmarine posted says the same thing.

But the polygraph examiner wouldn't likely be a lead investigator in the case, so I can appreciate that the examiner wouldn't be the be-all, end-all person for telling the person taking the test that they are cleared, beyond suspicion, etc.

JMO

[n/t]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

Illegal business actions? Whoa!

[n/t]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

Eye opener indeed. Thanks for posting that. I hadn't seen it before.:scared:

[Peaches]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18757783/index.html


Is there a picture of the one Crystal and family are living in?

Also..........can you give me link to Crystal's myspace?

TIA

[msgatorslayer]

Gee, wasn't it LAST Tuesday when the "man in black" story came out?

Is the media so disinterested now that they are recycling old news?

Aaaaaargh!

I'm not so sure about the 'man in black'. Why is this information coming out after 2 weeks? Since the boy was in bed with his sissy, was he not questioned by someone in LE who can talk to a child? Why is the Mom the one who just learned this information after having the lil guy over the weekend? More questions!!

G'morning, all.

[Armchairdet]

Eye opener indeed. Thanks for posting that. I hadn't seen it before.:scared:

Well maybe it hasn't been posted. I guess it should be put on the link thread?

[8BellesFan]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

wow! what a life for those two kids...:cursing:

[Peaches]

Good morning- it is confirmed that there were earlier phone conversations between Misti and RC? That's something I had not heard before. TY



To me, this looks like someone's opinion - not facts.

[Peaches]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639


Thank you sooooooooooo much!

[KittenCakes7]

Can someone explain to me how Junior saw someone dressed in black come into the room and take Haleigh? Wasn't it established that he was in a separate room than Haleigh and Misty? Or did Misty change that story back (again!)?

Also...can I just say the theory of someone dressed all in black sounds a little bit made up to me? Is someone coaching him (ahem-Ronald) as well? JMO...

[Britney]

Can someone explain to me how Junior saw someone dressed in black come into the room and take Haleigh? Wasn't it established that he was in a separate room than Haleigh and Misty? Or did Misty change that story back (again!)?

Also...can I just say the theory of someone dressed all in black sounds a little bit made up to me? Is someone coaching him (ahem-Ronald) as well? JMO...

I think they are now saying all 3 were in same BR.

[Mimi428]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

Thanks for finding that link. What a depressing read. Those little children sure deserve(d) better than what they were stuck with.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Has LE commented on the 'man in black'? I don't see anything in the links section.

[Britney]

Has LE commented on the 'man in black'? I don't see anything in the links section.

I either heard on a tv show or read that this had been reported and they were checking it out.

Sounds so much like the Smart case.

[Motomom]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I am sure the above link is posted elsewhere, but that was some pretty interesting reading. IMO

Thank you for the link Armchair. It was interesting. Now is there any response from the courst from that do you know?

Reinforces what I think of the mother and her family though, that's for sure.

[playnice]

Has LE commented on the 'man in black'? I don't see anything in the links section.

I wonder if he saw a black/ dark skin man?

[Motomom]

wow! what a life for those two kids...:cursing:

It is sad isn't it Belles. When children are in the middle of such issues. Where nobody can see beyond their own wants and needs. That was december 2005.. has there been anything since then does anyone know?

[Moondancer]

Can someone explain to me how Junior saw someone dressed in black come into the room and take Haleigh? Wasn't it established that he was in a separate room than Haleigh and Misty? Or did Misty change that story back (again!)?

Also...can I just say the theory of someone dressed all in black sounds a little bit made up to me? Is someone coaching him (ahem-Ronald) as well? JMO...

I'm wondering if the "man in black" was dressed in black with a black ski mask or if it was a costume like Scream/the Grim Reaper.:confused:

Why didn't Junior tell Misty or Ron this?

[Mimi428]

Sounds like mass confusion.

Joe the Cousin is NOT a convicted pedophile. He was not arrested for anything concerning Haleigh's case. He was questioned and then LE says he is not a suspect or a POI.

The other "cousin" who Misty claimed molested her is in prison now.

IIRC

What I wonder is if it was verified that Joe the Cousin actually left Florida way earlier than Misty & Ron said he did. IIRC, he said he had left more than a week earlier.

[msgatorslayer]

Has anyone reviewed this website about Haleigh?

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=243

That man was trying to make money off Trenton Duckett. Once public interest peeked, he tucked his Duckett files away and wanted people to pay $899 for a "Gold Membership" which included his Duckett files.

The mans a scam artist with a crayon fetish. JMO

[Britney]

“They all are still running down the more than 1,600 leads we have received, but nothing has come up that justifies any type of massive ground or water search,” Schauland said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh


The quote at the top of this message really irks me. Haleigh is still missing - that is LE's justification for the continued massive ground or water searches!

[Armchairdet]

Thank you for the link Armchair. It was interesting. Now is there any response from the courst from that do you know?

Reinforces what I think of the mother and her family though, that's for sure.


I am going to do a little more snooping around. I'll see what else if anything I can find.

[Britney]

I am going to do a little more snooping around. I'll see what else if anything I can find.

While you are snooping around, see if you can find why Ron was supposed to be in court on or about 2/9 for Contempt of Court.

[Mimi428]

I'm wondering if the "man in black" was dressed in black with a black ski mask or if it was a costume like Scream/the Grim Reaper.:confused:

Why didn't Junior tell Misty or Ron this?

How could he (or anyone) see the color of the clothes in a dark room, in the middle of the night?

I don't know if he did or didn't see anything during the time that Haleigh left her bed. Maybe the trauma & stress of all of this has given him bad dreams. Maybe seeing all the strangers & LE swarm all over the place has affected what he dreams about. Maybe all the talk & speculation & upset he is picking up from the grown-ups has influenced him. I just don't think there is any possible way to know.

It would be my guess that early on, someone in LE would have arranged for him to be talking to a qualified & trained person, experienced in visiting with & talking to little chldren in similar circumstances.

JMO

[playnice]

“They all are still running down the more than 1,600 leads we have received, but nothing has come up that justifies any type of massive ground or water search,” Schauland said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh


The quote at the top of this message really irks me. Haleigh is still missing - that is LE's justification for the continued massive ground or water searches!

If a SO took her she isnt going to be found alive.
They should be doing the searches. If they find her they will probably find dna that may solve this case. Kind of seems like they are doing things backwards.

[msgatorslayer]

“They all are still running down the more than 1,600 leads we have received, but nothing has come up that justifies any type of massive ground or water search,” Schauland said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh


The quote at the top of this message really irks me. Haleigh is still missing - that is LE's justification for the continued massive ground or water searches!

Thanks for that read. It does say that the boy told LE about the 'man in black' in the first few days after Haleigh disappeared.

Seems to me that Mommy did not know about this because nobody told her. She then gets her weekend visit, learns of the info, and wham, it's let out of the bag on NG.

[Speedy30]

That man was trying to make money off Trenton Duckett. Once public interest peeked, he tucked his Duckett files away and wanted people to pay $899 for a "Gold Membership" which included his Duckett files.

The mans a scam artist with a crayon fetish. JMO

No kidding. I think he even said in the anthony case Casey slipped out of her ankle device when bailed, went and got Caylees body and burned it as a water plant, I *think* it was him who had those visions.

Dont trust him.

moo

[Pag Boi]

Well maybe it hasn't been posted. I guess it should be put on the link thread?


This is old news.

Crystal missed 1st hearing

Crystal came to court w/mom and no legal rep on 2nd hearing

She got a lawyer to try & appeal for custody that was awarded to Ron on 12/27/05

Lawyer makes the allegation abt illegal activity

Lawyer also states that Crystal now has job, her own house & mortgage, + loving, successful relationship. Crystal is quite the success story. She did all that btwn 1227/05 -1/5/06. Of course there is no proof of any of the accussations. No mom affadavit. Just Daddy's. She didn't get custody even with a lawyer.

The kids deserved better than both. But court decided Ron was lesser of the evils for a reason.

If you read the transcripts, you'll see Crystal was using drugs while preggers w/ Jr

Who named that file? Petineer :confused:

[playnice]

I hope that LE checked dumpsters in the area after Haleigh was reported missing.

[trich]

I totally agree. Not sure why they allowed the A's to continue to live there. My first thought was perhaps they didn't consider the home was a crime scene because Casey and Caylee didn't live there and the Anthonys hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days whereas in this case, Haleigh was at home when she was abducted.

Casey and Caylee did live with the Anthonys but both were missing from the house for 31 days....and of course no one officially knew that Caylee was dead at that time because of the lies Casey was telling about the non existant Nanny having her.
Completely different set of circumstances.

Also since the LE has not really released any info in this case and most everything we hear is from persons other then the LE .
I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
IMO

[crymeariver2006]

What I wonder is if it was verified that Joe the Cousin actually left Florida way earlier than Misty & Ron said he did. IIRC, he said he had left more than a week earlier.

From what I remember of the MSNBC piece where Michelle Kozinski (sp?) was talking about Joe the Cousin, she said he had been gone from Florida about three weeks before Haleigh went missing.

I would think, although I'm no expert, that his whereabouts for the time(s) in question have checked out.

Seems to me that if there were any discrepancies in his story or his alibi that he wouldn't have been dismissed so quickly as a POI or suspect and that he would be on his way to Florida for further questioning.

What I wonder is what he told LE about Misty. :wink:

[Mimi428]

“They all are still running down the more than 1,600 leads we have received, but nothing has come up that justifies any type of massive ground or water search,” Schauland said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh


The quote at the top of this message really irks me. Haleigh is still missing - that is LE's justification for the continued massive ground or water searches!

They have to have a starting point, though. They've already covered the areas initially thought to be pertinent & they have sent crews out periodically when new tips have come in. If you were standing at the back door of the house (or any other specific location), there are 360 degrees of direction to choose from. They need to get at least some sort of idea on which direction to head off to.

I think at this point it is better to put the manpower into sorting through & prioritizing the tips, see which ones sound the most reasonable, check them out first, etc.

JMO

[Armchairdet]

This is old news.

Crystal missed 1st hearing

Crystal came to court w/mom and no legal rep on 2nd hearing

She got a lawyer to try & appeal for custody that was awarded to Ron on 12/27/05

Lawyer makes the allegation abt illegal activity

Lawyer also states that Crystal now has job, her own house & mortgage, + loving, successful relationship. Crystal is quite the success story. She did all that btwn 1227/05 -1/5/06. Of course there is no proof of any of the accussations. No mom affadavit. Just Daddy's. She didn't get custody even with a lawyer.

The kids deserved better than both. But court decided Ron was lesser of the evils for a reason.

If you read the transcripts, you'll see Crystal was using drugs while preggers w/ Jr

Who named that file? Petineer :confused:


Oh well, my mistake. I think I can contact admin to take my post of the link thread. As for here, no harm done as some people had not seen it. IMO

[Peaches]

Thanks for finding that link. What a depressing read. Those little children sure deserve(d) better than what they were stuck with.

JMO

Thanks for this link.

From this I gather that Ronald was asking for his children:

September 16, 2005.

On October 18, 2005, Crystal responded.

Crystal has said that she did not receive her demand to court and blames Ron for this. Did she not give her correct address when she wrote her letter to the court............it is always easy to blame everyone but oneself.

This was in 2005 and Ron still has his children..............We are now in the year...........2009. Does not seem to me that Crystal wants these babies badly....................

Another thing.................I am so happy that courts are now seeing that mothers too owe their children................love/time/consideration/and yes.........sometimes money.

moo

[msgatorslayer]

They have to have a starting point, though. They've already covered the areas initially thought to be pertinent & they have sent crews out periodically when new tips have come in. If you were standing at the back door of the house (or any other specific location), there are 360 degrees of direction to choose from. They need to get at least some sort of idea on which direction to head off to.

I think at this point it is better to put the manpower into sorting through & prioritizing the tips, see which ones sound the most reasonable, check them out first, etc.

JMO

Look at all the woods around there. Even more of a needle in a haystack, IMO. Where to start? Her scent disappeared around the RR tracks. Where did she go from there?

[Pag Boi]

Thank you for the link Armchair. It was interesting. Now is there any response from the courst from that do you know?

Reinforces what I think of the mother and her family though, that's for sure.

Can you imagine what the family dynamics will be if she & her step brother/fiance ever get into a custody dispute over their child?

[Peaches]

Just another day in the life of Ron.


http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930


Charged..........2006..........I could not see what happened to these charges..........tresspassing


2005 he got his children................where was Crystal?

[crymeariver2006]

This is old news.

Crystal missed 1st hearing

Crystal came to court w/mom and no legal rep on 2nd hearing

She got a lawyer to try & appeal for custody that was awarded to Ron on 12/27/05

Lawyer makes the allegation abt illegal activity

Lawyer also states that Crystal now has job, her own house & mortgage, + loving, successful relationship. Crystal is quite the success story. She did all that btwn 1227/05 -1/5/06. Of course there is no proof of any of the accussations. No mom affadavit. Just Daddy's. She didn't get custody even with a lawyer.

The kids deserved better than both. But court decided Ron was lesser of the evils for a reason.

If you read the transcripts, you'll see Crystal was using drugs while preggers w/ Jr

Who named that file? Petineer :confused:


The judge also takes into consideration the fact that Ron will be living with his mother into the decision. When did Ron move out from his mother's house and was the court notified.

Ron also states that he will enroll the children in daycare. Do we know if this was ever done or did Haleigh go from home care to kindergarten? Is Jr. enrolled in a pre-school or was he with Misty all day?

[Regina.Lampert]

From what I remember of the MSNBC piece where Michelle Kozinski (sp?) was talking about Joe the Cousin, she said he had been gone from Florida about three weeks before Haleigh went missing.

I would think, although I'm no expert, that his whereabouts for the time(s) in question have checked out.

Seems to me that if there were any discrepancies in his story or his alibi that he wouldn't have been dismissed so quickly as a POI or suspect and that he would be on his way to Florida for further questioning.

What I wonder is what he told LE about Misty. :wink:

Ah yes, misty, misty, misty..........:wink:

.......and everyone can say what they want about the biological mom, at least Haleigh didn't go missing on her watch. imo.

[Mimi428]

Can you imagine what the family dynamics will be if she & her step brother/fiance ever get into a custody dispute over their child?

Ack, makes my head hurt just to think about it. I don't think I have had nearly enough coffee yet to contemplate all the various & sundry ways those interconnections could clash.

:chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

Can you imagine what the family dynamics will be if she & her step brother/fiance ever get into a custody dispute over their child?

No, but Ray Stevens' song "I'm My Own Grandpa" comes to mind.

:blink:

[Motomom]

When was the last time she saw Haleigh before this happen?

She only gets her kids every other weekend. I think it had been 2 weeks before that she had seen or spoken with her children. then the weekend haleigh went missing, was her weekend iirc.

[Peaches]

Ah yes, misty, misty, misty..........:wink:

.......and everyone can say what they want about the biological mom, at least Haleigh didn't go missing on her watch. imo.


Nor, did she get the medical attention she needed either on her mother's watch.

[Pag Boi]

The judge also takes into consideration the fact that Ron will be living with his mother into the decision. When did Ron move out from his mother's house and was the court notified.

Ron also states that he will enroll the children in daycare. Do we know if this was ever done or did Haleigh go from home care to kindergarten? Is Jr. enrolled in a pre-school or was he with Misty all day?

Hey cryme - good Q's

Honestly the magistrate didn't seem to flinch at all the moving, addresses, texas, mexico, fl movement by either party. Very sad for the kids. Crystal did speak highly of Misty at the beg of the story tho. Kids deserve so much more. JMOO

eta: Haleigh does look happy in her pix. Beautiful child :rose:

[breeze53]

It sounded like someone took all the bits and pieces of "news" and combined them into one not-so-coherent story.

Thanks guess i didnt miss anything then lol.

[Mimi428]

Ah yes, misty, misty, misty..........:wink:

.......and everyone can say what they want about the biological mom, at least Haleigh didn't go missing on her watch. imo.


Agreed. I don't see the particular use in scrutinizing her latest activities, since she lives a pretty good distance away & had the children 4 days total out of a month's time.

Now if it gets to a discussion about where Junior should live from now on....that would be different.

But this general discussion is about Haleigh's disappearance from Ron's home, so I think there is more use in dissecting what was going on in & around that vicinity. Who did he & Misty typically see during the course of a week? What people knew his work schedule? Was the house usually busy with activities, with people coming & going - or did they usually not have much company other than a family member dropping by? Stuff like that.

However, I cannot deny that right about now I am wishing that several of them were arrested or confined for about 4-5 days - so LE could see which one of them starts Jones'n the worst, KWIM? I am still very concerned that people Ron &/or Misty knew via drug use & abuse are going to be the keys that unlock the mystery of where that child was taken.

JMO

[Peaches]

She only gets her kids every other weekend. I think it had been 2 weeks before that she had seen or spoken with her children. then the weekend haleigh went missing, was her weekend iirc.


Why?

why no calls to her children?

[KKKKKKatie]

IMO- it is quite possible that Crystal was dating this man (her now step brother) before ther mother even met his father. It is not as if these are two kids that were raised together to be brother and sister- they have been raised in two seperate families.


And no blood relation....I don't "get" the hoopla over it myself :confused:

[Motomom]

Why?

why no calls to her children?

No idea peaches..but IIRC that is what she said on one of her first interviews. I believe she blamed no calls on Ron of course.. not sure though so IMO.

[Mimi428]

Nor, did she get the medical attention she needed either on her mother's watch.

True, very true. Do you think that has any possible connection to why the child is missing?

I bring up Ron's past arrests because I really DO fear that could have some connection to why Haleigh cannot be found.

If I thought Crystal's recent or past activities had any connection to why this little girl is missing, I would definitely agree that a discussion on it would be worthwhile. But right now, I haven't seen, read or heard any indication that LE is interested in Crystal's doings, other than to verify she & her family members were where they said they were during the critical time period of Haleigh's last known sighting.

JMO

[8BellesFan]

Nor, did she get the medical attention she needed either on her mother's watch.

I didn't hear this. Was it an allegation or a fact found in court or something?

[msgatorslayer]

I think whoever took her parked their car by the RR tracks. This is by the main road coming in and going out of the Cumming's neighborhood.

In the dark of night, this person got lost. Went the wrong way trying to get back to their car. Finally went the right way. Found the car and vanished.

I'm going by the scent dogs tracks. Who knows how reliable they are.:shrug:

[Motomom]

True, very true. Do you think that has any possible connection to why the child is missing?

I bring up Ron's past arrests because I really DO fear that could have some connection to why Haleigh cannot be found.

If I thought Crystal's recent or past activities had any connection to why this little girl is missing, I would definitely agree that a discussion on it would be worthwhile. But right now, I haven't seen, read or heard any indication that LE is interested in Crystal's doings, other than to verify she & her family members were where they said they were during the critical time period of Haleigh's last known sighting.

JMO


Do we know who all was cleared here?? She only lives, an hour and half or so from Ron right? Does she have connections in his area? Does her fiance have connections in Ron's area? She's an admitted drug user isn't she, is it possible that she IS connected somehow? We don't know do we?

I don't think she is.. her fiance..he's ranked right there with Misty in my book, but that's JMO.. I don't think Ron had anything to do with haleigh being gone either.

[CC I See]

she hadn't even spoke to the children in two weeks? i find that odd. but heck most everything about this case i find odd. here we have Misty accusing her ex of abusing her but free and willingly giving him their two kids. why would she do that?.... Actually, Crystal had them for a visit the weekend before Haleigh went missing that Monday. She brought both children home the day before.

[Peaches]

And no blood relation....I don't "get" the hoopla over it myself :confused:


My problem with both Crystal and Ron..............do they not believe that they should do things the correct way...................

marriage----------first
babies---------second


Both have gotten this incorrect more than one time.

Old fashion..........yes, I am.

Morals and personal values are important to me.

[n/t]

Casey and Caylee did live with the Anthonys but both were missing from the house for 31 days....and of course no one officially knew that Caylee was dead at that time because of the lies Casey was telling about the non existant Nanny having her.
Completely different set of circumstances.

Also since the LE has not really released any info in this case and most everything we hear is from persons other then the LE .
I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
IMO

That's what I meant. Caylee didn't live there when she went "missing". The grandparents hadn't seen her in 31 days. In this case, Haleigh was allegedly kidnapped from her bed. That's why the home is still considered a crime scene.

With that said, I wonder why they haven't been allowed back in yet. They have no new leads...Ron and Misty haven't been arrested so what's the hold up? Are they waiting for forensics results? Did they find something in the home and are waiting for confirmation?

[Pag Boi]

IMO- it is quite possible that Crystal was dating this man (her now step brother) before ther mother even met his father. It is not as if these are two kids that were raised together to be brother and sister- they have been raised in two seperate families.

IIRC, Marie was a Griffis back at the custody hearing in 12/2005. I find it odd to hook up w/a step brother but that's just me. Don't think it is sick/nefarious/twisted... like hooking up w/a sibling or cuz. But peeps do that too.

I also think that Crystal isn't the only step sister that he hooked up with but again that is JMOO from reading other places.

[march27]

Ah yes, misty, misty, misty..........:wink:

.......and everyone can say what they want about the biological mom, at least Haleigh didn't go missing on her watch. imo.


Thats true because their loving mother did absolutely nothing to protect those kids from such a "horrible" situation as she describes it. I'm going to come right out and say it IMO Crystal is a disgrace that should not be aloud to "breed" any more children. This is not just a simple case of the father winning custody. If this "mother" knew of all these bad things that were happening and did nothing to stop it she is no better then the crap in my babies diaper... which I now must go change.

[KKKKKKatie]

My problem with both Crystal and Ron..............do they not believe that they should do things the correct way...................

marriage----------first
babies---------second


Both have gotten this incorrect more than one time.

Old fashion..........yes, I am.

Morals and personal values are important to me.

I can't disagree Peaches....but it is what it is

[Mimi428]

she hadn't even spoke to the children in two weeks? i find that odd. but heck most everything about this case i find odd. here we have Misty accusing her ex of abusing her but free and willingly giving him their two kids. why would she do that?

But Crystal DIDN'T freely & willingly give him her two kids. They had court appearances & a judge decided Ron should have primary custody & Crystal should have visitation.

The pdf file upthread has a short version of all of it.

I don't think she would win any parent of the year awards, but Ron wouldn't either. Frankly, I am sorry there were no better options for the children, but it isn't as if we can unring those bells. Right now I just don't see how her past or current activities help figure out what happened to Haleigh! The same measure cannot be applied to Ron since he DID have physical custody of the kids & Haleigh WAS in his house when she disappeared.

JMO

[8BellesFan]

well Misty said Ronald beat Haleigh up and when she found out she never took her to the dr...........why is that?

huh? he beat up the child?

[msgatorslayer]

That's what I meant. Caylee didn't live there when she went "missing". The grandparents hadn't seen her in 31 days. In this case, Haleigh was allegedly kidnapped from her bed. That's why the home is still considered a crime scene.

With that said, I wonder why they haven't been allowed back in yet. They have no new leads...Ron and Misty haven't been arrested so what's the hold up? Are they waiting for forensics results? Did they find something in the home and are waiting for confirmation?

The Lunsford's case can be compared to this one. Same circumstances. Child reported missing, taken from their bed.

The family never had to leave their home. And there were things that needed testing. It was a crime scene. Archie's underwear had some blood in them.

Maybe, just maybe, the CART system is learning more and more from these abductions and this is the first time they have not allowed the family back in. That's really all I can think of because whatever testing needed to be done in this house has already been done.

[Peaches]

I didn't hear this. Was it an allegation or a fact found in court or something?


HaLeigh needed shots often and her mother, Crystal, said that she did not want to get out of bed to take her to the doctor.

She also admitted to doing drugs when she had both children.

My opinion is --------------where my child lived, and I could not have them..........I would live very near so that I would know what was going on in their lives.

I would attend church with them/be at their plays/school activities/etc.

I would bend over backwards to do everything and anything to be with my children.

It is my opinion that if Crystal really wanted to see her children she would have made more of an effort.

Yes............it is sad/awful that her child is missing but when she returns home she will not see her everywhere she looks like a parent who had them everyday.

[msgatorslayer]

My problem with both Crystal and Ron..............do they not believe that they should do things the correct way...................

marriage----------first
babies---------second


Both have gotten this incorrect more than one time.

Old fashion..........yes, I am.

Morals and personal values are important to me.

ITA with ya there. Mistake once, okay. Learn from it, please. Thats the way I see it.

All these young people in this case have multi children with different baby momma's and daddy's.

[Pag Boi]

I didn't hear this. Was it an allegation or a fact found in court or something?

It is a fact. read the transcript of custody hearin on 12/27. IIRC, she even missed Jr's dr appt that am. ron had papers from their doctor where Crystal had missed 12 appts in one yr. Told judge she didn't like riding w/Ron's grandma OR "sometimes didn't feel like getting out of bed. "Her exact words.

[n/t]

she hadn't even spoke to the children in two weeks? i find that odd. but heck most everything about this case i find odd. here we have Misty accusing her ex of abusing her but free and willingly giving him their two kids. why would she do that?

You mean Crystal right?

[Motomom]

It doesn't look as if this was a very stable break up and I can only try to imagine what hoops she would have had to jump thru to talk to the kids- this is speculation only- but she may have wanted to call but if she did she would have to deal with RC and it was easier to wait for her visitation than deal with his drama. Heck I have friends that have a situation that they have to file a motion if they even want to call their kids on a different time and day that is stated in the court papers. My opinion only-

I agree, wasn't a nice breakup. However, if she wants to talk to her children, it's only a phonecall.. and IMO, even if Ron gave her some carp about it, small price to pay to talk to your kids.

[Peaches]

she hadn't even spoke to the children in two weeks? i find that odd. but heck most everything about this case i find odd. here we have Misty accusing her ex of abusing her but free and willingly giving him their two kids. why would she do that?


So do I, FA.

The lady who lives next door to my daughter says that children do better with a parent than foster care whenever possible. I think that we know this.

No one can love my child as I do ..................and you too FA.

Even Crystal admitted that Ron loved his children. I just do not believe that he has done anything to hurt her. I am praying that NO ONE HaLeigh loved and trusted hurt her.

Good to see you today. :wub:

[n/t]

It is a fact. read the transcript of custody hearin on 12/27. IIRC, she even missed Jr's dr appt that am. ron had papers from their doctor where Crystal had missed 12 appts in one yr. Told judge she didn't like riding w/Ron's grandma OR "sometimes didn't feel like getting out of bed. "Her exact words.

Jeeez....what a mess that entire family is.

[8BellesFan]

HaLeigh needed shots often and her mother, Crystal, said that she did not want to get out of bed to take her to the doctor.

She also admitted to doing drugs when she had both children.

My opinion is --------------where my child lived, and I could not have them..........I would live very near so that I would know what was going on in their lives.

I would attend church with them/be at their plays/school activities/etc.

I would bend over backwards to do everything and anything to be with my children.

It is my opinion that if Crystal really wanted to see her children she would have made more of an effort.

Yes............it is sad/awful that her child is missing but when she returns home she will not see her everywhere she looks like a parent who had them everyday.


wow. I really don't understand how either of these people ended up with those kids.

[Motomom]

.... Actually, Crystal had them for a visit the weekend before Haleigh went missing that Monday. She brought both children home the day before.

Where did you hear that? Because I keep remembering Crystal saying that she hadn't see the kids for two weeks. On NG I believe was the first time I saw her and the first time she said that. I could be remember wrong though.

[rosieposett]

My problem with both Crystal and Ron..............do they not believe that they should do things the correct way...................

marriage----------first
babies---------second


Both have gotten this incorrect more than one time.

Old fashion..........yes, I am.

Morals and personal values are important to me.

Good post. It seems morals and personal values have fallen by the wayside in many homes. Teaching children values takes time and repetition and practicing what one preaches. The world has gotten in a big hurry and there is no time for the "small" things that are so necessary. Sad but true.

[breeze53]

I don't either- trying to make a womans situation seem sick and the fact is she didn't meet him until she was an adult. IMO

At least he wasn't under age:w00t:
There is no blood kin there I see nothing wrong with it either.

[trich]

I agree, wasn't a nice breakup. However, if she wants to talk to her children, it's only a phonecall.. and IMO, even if Ron gave her some carp about it, small price to pay to talk to your kids.

No one would stop me from talking to my kids...no one.
I would go to court before I would accept that.
Actually I would have gotten my children a pay as you go cell phone
so that I had direct contact with them every day.
If that didn't work I would be on their doorstop talking to them in person.....I don't care how much hassle it was.

[Rick777]

The dog scent ended at the RR tracks? I trhought they ended at a body of water?

[Motomom]

.... Actually, Crystal had them for a visit the weekend before Haleigh went missing that Monday. She brought both children home the day before.

"Crystal Sheffield said she last saw Haleigh two weeks ago and was scheduled to see her this Friday. She said Haleigh would visit her at her home in Baker County."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131129&catid=295

[Erin26GA]

It is sad isn't it Belles. When children are in the middle of such issues. Where nobody can see beyond their own wants and needs. That was december 2005.. has there been anything since then does anyone know?

I think it's really telling that the mother is bashing the father during a time like this. It shouldn't matter what this man has done in his past, their child is missing..that is all that should matter right now. I'm sure there's plenty that he could go on TV and bash on the mother about. But, he hasn't done that. IMO, his main focus is finding this little girl. Wanted to add also..I don't know how it works in Florida..but, my husband and I have custody of his neice..We had to go thru thorough background checks...they were in our home for months checking in on us. I'm sure he had to go thru the same thing, if they would have found something questionable...they would not have given him custody of the child. My brother was also awarded custody of his daugher...he went thru the same thing we did.

[msgatorslayer]

The dog scent ended at the RR tracks? I trhought they ended at a body of water?

That's what I recall initially hearing as well. But I read an article lastnight that said, LE went out in back of the house. Found a footprint but Haleigh's shoes where in the house. Walked through a wooded trail, came to a pond, then walked through out the neighborhood. To the north and west, till coming back to the east and ending up at the RR tracks.

ETA - Here is the link.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=295

[5boxersmom]

Crystal was not in physical custody of Haleigh when the so called accident at school happened. It was on a Thurs., Ron was the custodian, and it took him a week to have Hleigh's bruises looked at. It was quite a while later, when Crystal heard of the episode.

moo

I thought that statement was corrected when they came back after a commercial on Geraldo and said he did take her to the doctor right away?

imo

[Motomom]

I feel the same way.

but i'm really upset with the fact that Misty GAVE her two babies to Ronald because she didn't want to keep them away from him because he's a great father and loves them and then she goes on tv and calls him a wife and baby beater .........and then asked if she took Haleigh to the hospital after finding her all bruised she said NO...........HELLO that was my red flag moment. Why are Gods green earth would she not take this baby to the ER and call the DA and file charges on Ron and have the babies taken away from him?

It's Crystal.. not Misty.. misty is the girlfriend of ron.

But you ask why on God's green earth would lshe not take her to the er or doctors or any of those things..because IMO it is a lie. I find her and her mother to be LIars.. IMO

[CC I See]

Thats true because their loving mother did absolutely nothing to protect those kids from such a "horrible" situation as she describes it. I'm going to come right out and say it IMO Crystal is a disgrace that should not be aloud to "breed" any more children. This is not just a simple case of the father winning custody. If this "mother" knew of all these bad things that were happening and did nothing to stop it she is no better then the crap in my babies diaper... which I now must go change.Crystal admitted to doing Cocaine and it messed her head up so she was not in her right mind to know what was happening with her children living with their Dad.

[Motomom]

I'm sure you mean Crystal and not Misty. And your later post where you said *misty* claimed Ron *beat her up*, you did mean Crystal, I assume.


FWIW, Crystal did not use the term *beat her up*. moo

She said backhanded across the face didn't see? That was what her cousin told her I think.. so when was Ron with her cousin, or at her house.. does crystal have connections close to ron?

[Rick777]

When I saw pic of Haeligh with injuries I saw a blackened eye, a cut around her nose, and a cut down by her chin. Nothing I would call "Beat to a pulp" as geraldo claimed.

[Britney]

Look at all the woods around there. Even more of a needle in a haystack, IMO. Where to start? Her scent disappeared around the RR tracks. Where did she go from there?

Could someone please post a google map of the area?

Thanks

[Peaches]

Do we know who all was cleared here?? She only lives, an hour and half or so from Ron right? Does she have connections in his area? Does her fiance have connections in Ron's area? She's an admitted drug user isn't she, is it possible that she IS connected somehow? We don't know do we?

I don't think she is.. her fiance..he's ranked right there with Misty in my book, but that's JMO.. I don't think Ron had anything to do with haleigh being gone either.


Her fiance..................why not husband. What are they waiting for? Baby #2.

Does he work? Does anyone know?

I read somewhere on here that Crystal was in an accident and is waiting for a big settlement from it. Does anyone know anything about this?

One more thing:

Fiance and Crystal told GR the following --

that Ron had told him that he (Ron) was 75% sure he knew who took HaLeigh


Then..............................on NG

when asked why the LE took him in for questioning, Crystal said that they (LE) had information incorrect and that fiance had not said that Ron had said that.


Both these conversations are on record for anyone wanting to look them up.

Pot and Kettle.................both these families

[trich]

Good post. It seems morals and personal values have fallen by the wayside in many homes. Teaching children values takes time and repetition and practicing what one preaches. The world has gotten in a big hurry and there is no time for the "small" things that are so necessary. Sad but true.


Exactly!
I am also convinced that is why our society is so messed up because
parents do not take the time to teach morals and personal values...not to mention integrity and responsibility.
I know I took the time with my kids and they now are doing the same
with theirs....I just wish there were more of us that were doing it too.
I still want to believe there are more responsible parents then not but it is hard to hang on to those thoughts when
children go missing, and get abused and are killed so often.
In a perfect world it would not happen.

[Mimi428]

No one would stop me from talking to my kids...no one.
I would go to court before I would accept that.
Actually I would have gotten my children a pay as you go cell phone
so that I had direct contact with them every day.
If that didn't work I would be on their doorstop talking to them in person.....I don't care how much hassle it was.

Haleigh was 5 when she went missing. Junior was not quite 4 years old. What do you think their chances would have been for using a pay-as-you-go cell phone if either Misty or Ron decided to take away the phone?

[Peaches]

Thats true because their loving mother did absolutely nothing to protect those kids from such a "horrible" situation as she describes it. I'm going to come right out and say it IMO Crystal is a disgrace that should not be aloud to "breed" any more children. This is not just a simple case of the father winning custody. If this "mother" knew of all these bad things that were happening and did nothing to stop it she is no better then the crap in my babies diaper... which I now must go change.


WOW.....................I too feel like this but you said it much better than me.

[Motomom]

Crystal was not in physical custody of Haleigh when the so called accident at school happened. It was on a Thurs., Ron was the custodian, and it took him a week to have Hleigh's bruises looked at. It was quite a while later, when Crystal heard of the episode.

moo

She fell at school, wasn't it confirmed? I dont' take my children to the doctors for bruises.

[msgatorslayer]

Hey MS- what is it about the little building that they searched that was IIRC down a dirt path behind the house. The door was open but it is reported that nothing was in there. Do you think it is strange that the dogs led the LE there first, even though they found nothing- or am I reaching for something not there? Maybe she was there earlier or stashed there. Sorry thinking of JL and how she was right there in front of us all and hindsight was 20/20. IMO

The whole path the dogs took is weird. They were all over the place. I forgot about the lil building. Sounds like a vacant shack/shed. It is possible that the kidnapper and Haleigh were in there.

We are missing alot of information though. It sounded like this lil building was not far into the woods, behind the Cumming home. Did the kids play in their often? Explaining why Haleigh's scent was in that spot.

[Rick777]

If the woods around the home are like a "needle in a haystack", you must wonder why the ground searches were all called off. Obviously LE knows something to think there's not a good chance she is there.

[ConchGirl]

Could someone please post a google map of the area?

Thanks

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Haleigh.jpg (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Haleigh.jpghttp://)

[Motomom]

IMO, I think we are confusing one incident with another. The school *accident*, and then the *backhanding* accident.

I happen to think there are two situations here.

moo

I think you are right Swarovski. She fell at school and I imagine that is easy enough to confirm.. words from her cousin, no so much. imo

[Britney]

When I saw pic of Haeligh with injuries I saw a blackened eye, a cut around her nose, and a cut down by her chin. Nothing I would call "Beat to a pulp" as geraldo claimed.

That was obviously after it had healed several days!

[Britney]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Haleigh.jpg (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Haleigh.jpghttp://)

Thank you so much!

[Motomom]

The whole path the dogs took is weird. They were all over the place. I forgot about the lil building. Sounds like a vacant shack/shed. It is possible that the kidnapper and Haleigh were in there.

We are missing alot of information though. It sounded like this lil building was not far into the woods, behind the Cumming home. Did the kids play in their often? Explaining why Haleigh's scent was in that spot.

How long does a scent like that last? Is it possible that the dogs picked up her scent and the scent of whoever took her?? Maybe whoever took her was hiding out in that shed waiting for the right opportunity.. but how would the dogs know that particular scent? So maybe he snatched her, took her there to calm her or restrain her in some way?

[Rick777]

What concerns me at this point is all indications seem to point that LE is still looking for a live Haleigh. As much as I wish that was true, at this point in time, my hope is diminished. I just don't think its possible.

moo

yeah. About a week ago I was thinking the best could still happen. Now...

[Peaches]

I feel the same way.

but i'm really upset with the fact that Misty GAVE her two babies to Ronald because she didn't want to keep them away from him because he's a great father and loves them and then she goes on tv and calls him a wife and baby beater .........and then asked if she took Haleigh to the hospital after finding her all bruised she said NO...........HELLO that was my red flag moment. Why are Gods green earth would she not take this baby to the ER and call the DA and file charges on Ron and have the babies taken away from him?


FA, they say that this injury was caused by a fall at school. This can be proved or disproved.

I think that this picture did not show that HaLeigh was beaten to a pulb as GR said. It shows a smiling child with a bruise.

Can injuries happen at school? YES...............broken limbs/black eyes/bloody noses/etc and that is with normal activities NOT fighting.

This year-----------2 kids got broken arms during football games on my son's team. SAD but it just matters how you land.

Just for a laugh for everyone.................my daughter teaches kindergarten. boy fell blood running from his nose......hot out.....daughter picked up boy and ran.........boy said, am I gonna die. daughter assured him no...............then he said.........just bleed. Precious babies left in the hands of those we pray will be good to them. My daughter calls them her little people. Most of her students come to see her often.....after leaving kindergarten!

[Adalena935]

If the woods around the home are like a "needle in a haystack", you must wonder why the ground searches were all called off. Obviously LE knows something to think there's not a good chance she is there.

It appears that way to me too. The day LE discovered Haleigh wasn't wearing what was told to them for purposes Amber Alert they called off the ground search and said they were taking the investigation in a different direction. They did say they have a lot that they are keeping close to the vest at this time to insure the intergrity of the case.

Have you read this? It's quite the eye-opener. :scared:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Peaches]

huh? he beat up the child?


I feel that FA meant Crystal said this..............it was about the picture thing. moo

[Rick777]

It appears that way to me too. The day LE discovered Haleigh wasn't wearing what was told to them for purposes Amber Alert they called off the ground search and said they were taking the investigation in a different direction. They did say they have a lot that they are keeping close to the vest at this time to insure the intergrity of the case.

Have you read this? It's quite the eye-opener. :scared:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


Wow. Thanks for that Link!

[Motomom]

What concerns me at this point is all indications seem to point that LE is still looking for a live Haleigh. As much as I wish that was true, at this point in time, my hope is diminished. I just don't think its possible.

moo

It's so sad Swarovski, that our thoughts have to go to the child being dead when they are missing. I know it doesn't look good for Haleigh, but I really think she is alive.. I do. I'm holding out hope she is.

[5boxersmom]

Last night on NG when Crystal and her mother were saying that Ron told the BF and/or Brother that he was 75% sure who took Haleigh the grandmother then said Ron said he thought it was Misty's cousin Joe. Why did they not say this to begin with? Instead of just saying Ron knew who took her? They did not say Joe on Geraldo but last night they said it.
imo

[Rick777]

Adalena.......so according to that court document, Ron was "chronic Domestic abuser", a Drug dealer.

[Motomom]

Pics of the car wreck she was in.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=395122639&albumId=1148437

that sure looks like a nasty wreck.

[Peaches]

No one would stop me from talking to my kids...no one.
I would go to court before I would accept that.
Actually I would have gotten my children a pay as you go cell phone
so that I had direct contact with them every day.
If that didn't work I would be on their doorstop talking to them in person.....I don't care how much hassle it was.


me too..............and I would not live l and l/2 hours away either
no man on this earth would keep me away from my babies

[Adalena935]

When I saw pic of Haeligh with injuries I saw a blackened eye, a cut around her nose, and a cut down by her chin. Nothing I would call "Beat to a pulp" as geraldo claimed.

I saw two black eyes (possibly from whatever blow she sustained to the bridge of her nose), the mark on her nose & the one on her chin.

[Peaches]

She said backhanded across the face didn't see? That was what her cousin told her I think.. so when was Ron with her cousin, or at her house.. does crystal have connections close to ron?


Where was the cousin? Why did she not tell what happened?

Crystal said..............backhanded her and that HaLeigh fell on her face.............

Whe was not sure why Ron did this. Either HaLeigh had:

l. smarted off at him or
2. bumped into him


If she remember the slap and it was so forceful why did she not remember WHY her child was slapped?

[Mimi428]

It could simply be Crystal didn't pick up the phone....

Why does everything she didn't do
become.....Ron's fault?

Just askin'

I dunno. Could be she is afraid of him. If she is, I can see how she might have good reason to be, he has a conviction on his record of Affray - which is fighting in a public place & my pure guess is that the stories of him having a bad temper & a propensity towards violence are not all a bunch of lies.

But all that aside, I still do not yet see how Crystal's past or recent activities have a single thing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. I think we would have found out from the media if LE had been out to search in her house or if they had done a search in her vehicle.

JMO

[Peaches]

Not that I recall. Wasn't it said that Ron took her to the hospital a week later when he thought her nose was broken?

BTW, if you listen to that interview with Geraldo and Crystal, the school says, Haylee suffered only a *scratch* from that fall. That photo of Haleigh shows much more than a scratch.


oo


Sorry................this is all hear say again.

Said by Crystal - not school officials................reported by GR...........and we now know how honest they both are. moo

[msgatorslayer]

The extent of searching this shack/shed, which I agree is how it is being described, I have not heard. LE did search it but found nothing- was it the next morning that the dogs were brought in or were they brought in immediately- meaning was it dark when the dogs were searching. I wonder if this shack was searched if anything of forensic nature was found. ITA- lot of missing information and we have seen nothing in forensic wise at all. IMO

I believe dogs were brought in asap. Matter of fact, in the 911 call, the OP says that dogs are being brought to the scene. I'm just not sure if this scent path that has been mentioned in articles is from that initial search, the next day, or even later.

ETA - After reading the article again, it was the night of the abduction that a 'canine officer' was used to track Haleigh's scent.

[5boxersmom]

In this transcript it says Ron told her brother and Fiance'. :confused:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

[Speedy30]

I believe dogs were brought in asap. Matter of fact, in the 911 call, the OP says that dogs are being brought to the scene. I'm just not sure if this scent path that has been mentioned in articles is from that initial search, the next day, or even later.

Now, the dogs, are they just for her scent, or are they cadaver dogs also?

[msgatorslayer]

Now, the dogs, are they just for her scent, or are they cadaver dogs also?

I have not seen any mention of cadaver dogs. Anyone know if they've been brought in? All I've seen is that Haleigh's scent was picked up.

[5boxersmom]

That's not true.

On NG one night last week it was said Ron took Haleigh to the doctor THAT DAY, and again several days later to check it out.

You really do dislike this guy don't you? No slack, No sympathy, No comapssion...IMHO as always.

I think that is what I heard too. When GR came back from commercial he corrected it. I can't find the video now.

imo

[Peaches]

Exactly!
I am also convinced that is why our society is so messed up because
parents do not take the time to teach morals and personal values...not to mention integrity and responsibility.
I know I took the time with my kids and they now are doing the same
with theirs....I just wish there were more of us that were doing it too.
I still want to believe there are more responsible parents then not but it is hard to hang on to those thoughts when
children go missing, and get abused and are killed so often.
In a perfect world it would not happen.


Excellent Post.....................

My children have also been taught morals and personal values------they were taken to church------learned to love God, us/their parents/one another and others.

My little ones are being given the same.

When my youngest was in college, she came home one time telling me about a fellow student being abused by step-father. She said, I just did not know these things really happened.

We have so many people who should not be parents and so many who want to be but can't....................

Personal responsibility is another thing everyone needs to learn!

[Adalena935]

Good morning Adalena
Unfortunately for me, I can't open PDF files on this comp. I have to wing it. Can you give a brief synopsis of what it says? TIA

Be happy to. It shocked me. It's my paraphrase but that's what it says. I hope everyone saying that Crystal did nothing to try to get them away from this brutal law-breaking out of control man reads it for themselves. It's absolutely horrible and I believe what Crystal and witnesses have sworn to in this court document are true. I believe what's been witnessed in his brutality and lawbreaking ways is only the tip of the iceburg. My heart is racing after having read it. Those poor children.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.

2006

Crystal; chronic victim of domestic violence. Intimidated by Ronald

Ron used history of control and intimidation to manipulate testimony and effectively silence Crystal. Ron reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. His chosen lifestyle in illegal business pose risk to the children. Ron is a known abuser who has threatened violence against others besides Crystal. Ron has a history of abusing others besides Crystal including those within his own family. Ron is alleged to have threatened to kill Crystal and others that attract his ill temper.

Witnesses have issued police reports against Ron have stated they are fearful of retribution. Ron does not take care of the children and leaves them with other family members. Ron has threatened to leave town with the children.

Habitually Ron has driven recklessly and endangered the lives of both the children and Crystal. Ron has had several severe wrecks and is a threat to himself and others. Ron is reputed to have wrecked his truck while high on coke and the children were with him.

If this matter and underlying and undisclosed issues are not addressed now then it’s only a matter of time before additional significant incidents occur that will demand the court’s attention.

July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.

Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Johnny Sheffield has witnessed Ron Cummings drive with the children while under the influence of alcohol. Witnessed him using Rx and drink at the same time as on Xanax and Loratabs. States he has observed Ron using illegal drugs. Ron has a history of violence and sell illegal drugs and illegally sell Rx pills that were not prescribed to him.

Ron has threatened retribution up to and including killing those who offend him. Because of this others and his family members are afraid of him. Witnessed Ron using and selling cocaine. Until Crystal left him he showed no interest in the children. Johnny has observed Ron and Crystal arguing and observed bruises on Crystal consistent with physical abuse.

Ron has left his children with his other family members who are also drug users and who’s habits have placed the children at risk. Over the phone Johnny has heard Ron encourage Haleigh to “drink a beer“, chase a wh@re, “roll a blunt”. Ron has denied the infant Jr. a bottle when he was six months old and before he had teeth.

[Speedy30]

That's not true.

On NG one night last week it was said Ron took Haleigh to the doctor THAT DAY, and again several days later to check it out.

You really do dislike this guy don't you? No slack, No sympathy, No comapssion...IMHO as always.


I have no sympathy for a man who hits his pregnant girlfriend in the head after ingesting coke, I believe Crystal on that, and in no way is that even excusable, it shows Ron is violent, and hes abusive, look at the way he talked to Misty, I understand being scared but Ron does not have any respect for women, I mean Misty met him while she was talking care of his "maybe" kid with another young girl, they started dating when she was 16, he basically ran off with the babysitter.

I just cant find anything great about him.

[Rick777]

This whole case is hearsay right now. We hafta decide what sounds more plausible.

[8BellesFan]

I have no sympathy for a man who hits his pregnant girlfriend in the head after ingesting coke, I believe Crystal on that, and in no way is that even excusable, it shows Ron is violent, and hes abusive, look at the way he talked to Misty, I understand being scared but Ron does not have any respect for women, I mean Misty met him while she was talking care of his "maybe" kid with another young girl, they started dating when she was 16, he basically ran off with the babysitter.

I just cant find anything great about him.


some guys like having young girls around because they don't question things or stand their ground like an adult would. is this guy a serial babysitter dater?

[Rick777]

well IF she felt like ronald hurt haleigh why didin't she call 9-11, the DA, CPS or someone?


Maybe she feared retribution from Ron.

[n/t]

Adalena, I was just as shocked as you are when I read the court documents. What's confusing me is Crystal accuses Ron of all these horrible things but then she says Haleigh is Ron's heart or whatever she said on Geraldo. I don't get it.

Unreal! I can't make heads or tails of this mess. I just want that little girl found safe and hopefully Child Protective Services can deal with the parents afterwards.

UGH!

[Motomom]

Maybe she feared retribution from Ron.

Or maybe it's all a lie?

[Speedy30]

some guys like having young girls around because they don't question things or stand their ground like an adult would. is this guy a serial babysitter dater?

I dont know, give it time, maybe he will be. :scared:
Whats wrong with a woman his age? Maybe by the time they get his age they know better than to settle for him?

moo

[Mimi428]

Excellent Post.....................

My children have also been taught morals and personal values------they were taken to church------learned to love God, us/their parents/one another and others.

My little ones are being given the same.

When my youngest was in college, she came home one time telling me about a fellow student being abused by step-father. She said, I just did not know these things really happened.

We have so many people who should not be parents and so many who want to be but can't....................

Personal responsibility is another thing everyone needs to learn!


And so......

how is any of that relevant to THIS CASE?

I don't think any of my choices in life have a single freakin' thing to do with THIS CASE. I also don't have the slightest delusion that the choices I have made in life are the ONLY choices that are possible to make.

Why would we look at Haleigh's circumstances as if they were even remotely like our own - when we KNOW they were not like our own?

Give us some comparisons to people who have a history of drug use. Give us some comparisons to people who have been arrested at least 3 times on signficant drug charges. Draw some reasonable conclusions about why young girls leave home at the age of 16 to go live with an adult man with 2 little children. Speculate with reason & rational thoughts about the greater or lesser likelihood that someone known to the child took her - or that a stranger took her.

But cheeese louise, what the heck is pertinent about how you or I choose to live??

Back later tonight - I hope in the meantime there is a significant break in the case. Better still, that Haleigh is found alive.

JMO

[8BellesFan]

Adalena, I was just as shocked as you are when I read the court documents. What's confusing me is Crystal accuses Ron of all these horrible things but then she says Haleigh is Ron's heart or whatever she said on Geraldo. I don't get it.

Unreal! I can't make heads or tails of this mess. I just want that little girl found safe and hopefully Child Protective Services can deal with the parents afterwards.

UGH!


Sometimes I wonder if these girls are just saying things that they think they are expected to say in the situation, like mimicking a lifetime movie.

[Motomom]

Adalena, I was just as shocked as you are when I read the court documents. What's confusing me is Crystal accuses Ron of all these horrible things but then she says Haleigh is Ron's heart or whatever she said on Geraldo. I don't get it.

Unreal! I can't make heads or tails of this mess. I just want that little girl found safe and hopefully Child Protective Services can deal with the parents afterwards.

UGH!

I wasn't shocked when I read that to be honest. SHe would do and say anything IMO to make Ron look just a bit worse than her.. which IMO he doesn't. That was what SHE said and HER FATHER.. yet the courts didnt' see fit to give her custody of the "brats" now did they? They make mistakes..sure they do.. BUT it's not like this happened 6 months ago.. this was back in 05 soooooo ff 09 and she STILL doesn't have her "brats"..maybe because she's taking care of her new baby?

[Rick777]

Or maybe it's all a lie?


Knowing what you know about Ron just since this case started, do you honestly believe that??

[PBJMOM4]

How could he (or anyone) see the color of the clothes in a dark room, in the middle of the night?

I don't know if he did or didn't see anything during the time that Haleigh left her bed. Maybe the trauma & stress of all of this has given him bad dreams. Maybe seeing all the strangers & LE swarm all over the place has affected what he dreams about. Maybe all the talk & speculation & upset he is picking up from the grown-ups has influenced him. I just don't think there is any possible way to know.

It would be my guess that early on, someone in LE would have arranged for him to be talking to a qualified & trained person, experienced in visiting with & talking to little chldren in similar circumstances.

JMO


As far as "someone in black" what did Jr. do then? Go back to sleep?
Misty wakes up later? This doesn't add up.

[8BellesFan]

I dont know, give it time, maybe he will be. :scared:
Whats wrong with a woman his age? Maybe by the time they get his age they know better than to settle for him?

moo

maybe it's not age so much as convenience, I dunno. what I do know is that I don't think either parent was fit.

[lindasbaitsh]

I'm Linda in Key West. My user name is lindasbaitsh coz the ack wouldn't fit, lol. I own Lindasbaitshack at MM30 (MM means mile marker...it's how keys keeps track of where we live or work).

Anyhow, now that introduction is complete, I thought I posted yesterday but don't see it. So, again I have to say firstly, the girlfriend is seen on TV smoking, smoking, smoking cigs. In the state of Florida the law is no smoking under the age of 18 years. Somebody outta tell her to stop it.

Secondly, my home was broken into when I lived in the Republic of Panama. At the time I had four young children and hubby and I were - we thought = light sleepers, always keeping an ear out for the kids in the night needing us. The robber was in our home long enough to make a meal, go through our file cabinets, load up the car, which meant he had to have gone in and out the door. The main point I want to make (having a point makes it much more interesting and revelant,lol)...is that the robber came into my bedroom and removed my rings from my fingers. I DIDN'T WAKE UP NOR EVEN STIR. So, it is possible for the girlfriend to not have heard the intruder/abductor.

Peace

[crymeariver2006]

Always good to see you my friend :rose:

with every fiber of my being i pray they find Haleigh alive....but with that being said i have to say i feel like a LOT of people in her life failed her.

i do NOT feel like Ronald slapped her on the face and left a bruise like that. The school has said she fell down. Why didn't Crystal turn her in IF she felt like Ronald abused her? Why did she give Ronald custody of the babies IF he beat her when she was pregnant?

We have to remember that the injury occurred in November of '08. We don't know whether the cousin (Cassandra ?) reported it to anybody. We don't know when the photo was taken. We don't know that DCF wasn't aware of it and doing their own investigation.

We do know that November '08 is when Ron and Misty and the children moved into the 3 bedroom house.

We do know that (according to LE and previously linked media reports) that DCF was investigating. And since Misty's name is also mentioned as being investigated, we can deduce that the investigation(s) were going on after Ron and Misty started "dating", which could very well include the November '08 incident(s).

We do know from past experience that DCF in Florida has had their share of problems and Haleigh would not be the first child failed by their system.

IMO, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant when Haleigh was an infant. If you were 18-19 years old and someone threatened to kill you, or take your children to Mexico and you would never see them again, and you knew that person had a propensity towards violence, what would you do? Push the issue and see if they made good on the threat?

JMO and all that.

[KKKKKKatie]

I'm Linda in Key West. My user name is lindasbaitsh coz the ack wouldn't fit, lol. I own Lindasbaitshack at MM30 (MM means mile marker...it's how keys keeps track of where we live or work).

Anyhow, now that introduction is complete, I thought I posted yesterday but don't see it. So, again I have to say firstly, the girlfriend is seen on TV smoking, smoking, smoking cigs. In the state of Florida the law is no smoking under the age of 18 years. Somebody outta tell her to stop it.

Secondly, my home was broken into when I lived in the Republic of Panama. At the time I had four young children and hubby and I were - we thought = light sleepers, always keeping an ear out for the kids in the night needing us. The robber was in our home long enough to make a meal, go through our file cabinets, load up the car, which meant he had to have gone in and out the door. The main point I want to make (having a point makes it much more interesting and revelant,lol)...is that the robber came into my bedroom and removed my rings from my fingers. I DIDN'T WAKE UP NOR EVEN STIR. So, it is possible for the girlfriend to not have heard the intruder/abductor.

Peace

How scary! :scared:

Welcome to the boards Linda!

[Peaches]

Thank You. Its no suprise, and much of what I had gathered from my reading for the past two weeks. And some feel we should have *compassion* for this poor excuse if a Dad. GMAB, those children are props Ron uses to exact revenge on Crystal for scorning him.

moo

moo

Once again..............this is what Crystal said..........not evidence.

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank You. Its no suprise, and much of what I had gathered from my reading for the past two weeks. And some feel we should have *compassion* for this poor excuse if a Dad. GMAB, those children are props Ron uses to exact revenge on Crystal for scorning him.

moo

moo

He's a real prince, ain't he Swarvie. I hope to God LE is putting every drug connection this violent male has made in the last year under a microscope.

IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life.

[Adalena935]

Now, the dogs, are they just for her scent, or are they cadaver dogs also?

Looks like both track dogs and cadaver dogs have been used in the search according to these news reports.

This says track dogs and authorities didn't suspect foul play the day she disappeared.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&provider=top

This says 15 cadaver dogs were brought in to assist in the search. Scroll down to the header that says; Search For Haleigh Gets National Attention

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

[KKKKKKatie]

Once again..............this is what Crystal said..........not evidence.


I really feel sorry for LE on this one. Having to sort out all of the BS being tossed around from both sides. Has to make it really hard to get to the truth of the matter and poor Haleigh is the one to suffer IMO
:sad:

[Speedy30]

maybe it's not age so much as convenience, I dunno. what I do know is that I don't think either parent was fit.

I think it says alot that Crystal got her license, and bought a home, she got away from Ron, I dont think she was ever going to accomplish that being with Ron, I think she was an abused woman, and I am glad she broke free, and I hope she has found happiness with this new man and their child. This child was obviously not safe with Ron.

jmo

[Speedy30]

Looks like both track dogs and cadaver dogs have been used in the search according to these news reports.

This says track dogs and authorities didn't suspect foul play the day she disappeared.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&provider=top

This says 15 cadaver dogs were brought in to assist in the search. Scroll down to the header that says; Search For Haleigh Gets National Attention

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thank you Adalena935!

[lindasbaitsh]

Before owning the bait shack, I was a Houseparent for the Florida Keys Childrens Shelter. I saw first hand what ppl do to their children..usually because of drugs and/or alcohol. And, the children under my care were loved by me. The Precious Innocents. What can we do to stop child abduction in the United States.

[kate482000]

He's a real prince, ain't he Swarvie. I hope to God LE is putting every drug connection this violent male has made in the last year under a microscope.

IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life.



I've been thinking the exact same thing. Someone rescued her.

[Peaches]

And so......

how is any of that relevant to THIS CASE?

I don't think any of my choices in life have a single freakin' thing to do with THIS CASE. I also don't have the slightest delusion that the choices I have made in life are the ONLY choices that are possible to make.

Why would we look at Haleigh's circumstances as if they were even remotely like our own - when we KNOW they were not like our own?

Give us some comparisons to people who have a history of drug use. Give us some comparisons to people who have been arrested at least 3 times on signficant drug charges. Draw some reasonable conclusions about why young girls leave home at the age of 16 to go live with an adult man with 2 little children. Speculate with reason & rational thoughts about the greater or lesser likelihood that someone known to the child took her - or that a stranger took her.

But cheeese louise, what the heck is pertinent about how you or I choose to live??

Back later tonight - I hope in the meantime there is a significant break in the case. Better still, that Haleigh is found alive.

JMO



WOW...................you have not read all my post..............I have NEVER said that I have no compasion for those making mistakes.

Please go back and read them please.

Ones life is what their OWN decisions make it.

Ones life is into what conditions they were born.

Some of us were not / are not as fortunate as others.



Ones life

[Rick777]

I don't understand all the Ron supporters in here. No matter what is dug up on him, some still wanna blame Crystal. To me, Crystal is a bad person and Ron is equally bad if not worse.

If you Ron supporters were on a jury trying to decide if Ron was a winner or a loser, and you had the evidence that has been posted here, would you say he's a winner? Using the evidence and past history you would not call him a winner if you had common sense!

Would you leave your child or children with Ron?

[Adalena935]

Once again..............this is what Crystal said..........not evidence.

It's court records showing evidence the bio-mom *did* try to take her children out of what appears to have been a dangerous situation.

Where's Haleigh?

[bookie]

me too..............and I would not live l and l/2 hours away either
no man on this earth would keep me away from my babies



If Ron wouldn't let her talk to the kids on the phone she could have gone back to court for an order allowing phone calls. She had options, she chose to ignore them. imo

[Britney]

I think it says alot that Crystal got her license, and bought a home, she got away from Ron, I dont think she was ever going to accomplish that being with Ron, I think she was an abused woman, and I am glad she broke free, and I hope she has found happiness with this new man and their child. This child was obviously not safe with Ron.

jmo

I agree with you. Don't personally know these people, of course; but Crystal has impressed me during this ordeal. She has seemed very caring. Sometimes people make mistakes when they are young, but she has done something about it.

I hope her little girl is found safe right away.

[Adalena935]

Thank you Adalena935!

You're welcome. I googled it and there's more than 1,000 links that came up. Yours was a good question. I had forgotten about the dogs brought in from Georgia and I wasn't aware they had cadaver dogs. I had previously thought they only had used track dogs.

This is such a heartwrenching case.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think I missed his drug convictions for the last year. Can you tell me where to look for them? What about Crystal's drug connection. If she was using, as admitted in court docs, who was she getting it from?

He ain't no prince and Crystal surely ain't no princess. These kids should have been taken from both of them.

I must have missed where in my post I said ronald was convicted for drugs in the past year, can you direct me?

Again, say what you will about Chrystal, Haleigh did not disappear while she was in her custody.

[Motomom]

Knowing what you know about Ron just since this case started, do you honestly believe that??

I believe Rick, that MOST of what Crystal has said about Ron is a lie. That's my honest answer to you. What I know about Ron..isn't much, no more than what anyone else here knows. Just interpretted differently. What one calls significant drugs.. I don't see it as significant. 20 grams of marijuana..someone said is about a half ounce. IIRC morphine was on him (morphine pops is what crystal said.. i believe her there, she knows her drugs) and pills.. I don't recall them saying how many. If someone can show me he had 30 or 60 zanies not prescribed to him then I'll concede he may have been selling them. I haven't seen that yet though. Did he dabble..yes.. does he still dabble..no proof of that right now. Crystal was the pot calling the kettle black.. mad because she wasn't doing coke and he was, he shouldn't have been doing it in front of her.. well..neither one of them should have been doing coke, pregnant or not..but they both were apparently.2 people high on drugs can beat the crap out of each other all day long, I don't care. Their choice to do those drugs. A fight at a bar..that's what happens when you have young men, at bars drinking. A man who fights with another man, does not make him a wife beater IMO. She had an agenda and still does IMO.. it isn't working on me because I do not jump to a woman's side, simply because she is a woman. I am a mother to a son as well as daughters, so I can't jump on her side. She STILL looks like a druggie to me..he does not. Not saying that she is NOW, just like I'm not saying he is. If all he does is smoke weed, so be it. I see nothing wrong with that because IMO it should be legal..so that's where I'm coming from in my opinion.

And to be clear, I do not condone any of their lifestyles..not a bit. But when I see Ron, I see a father broken, over his daughter missing. I see a young man.. punk. You know, we live life and make choices..some good some bad. We don't foresee the future.. and one good decision to someone, is a bad decision to another person. I don't hold it against them.. mistakes..lesson hopefully learned. If more comes out about Ron specifically, i reserve the right to change my tune :closedeyes: And I know a few people like Ron, so I sympathize a bit with him. Or rather, don't condemn him to he77 for it. I dont' think he had anything to do with Haleigh missing, just as some don't think Crystal had anything to do with it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[n/t]

I wasn't shocked when I read that to be honest. SHe would do and say anything IMO to make Ron look just a bit worse than her.. which IMO he doesn't. That was what SHE said and HER FATHER.. yet the courts didnt' see fit to give her custody of the "brats" now did they? They make mistakes..sure they do.. BUT it's not like this happened 6 months ago.. this was back in 05 soooooo ff 09 and she STILL doesn't have her "brats"..maybe because she's taking care of her new baby?

I think calling them "brats" is a big ado about nothing. I used to call my kids brats too when they'd be acting up. I still call them brats now and they're 18 and 20. It doesn't mean I don't love them or care for them.

Both Ron and Crystal have unsavoury lifestyles and one is not any better than the other imo. Sadly, they brought children into this world and they need to clean up their acts and straighten out their lives especially now that one of them is gone!

I think they both have to own up to their past mistakes and face the reality that one of their precious children is missing. Time to grow up and stop the crap and find their little girl.

[Regina.Lampert]

I've been thinking the exact same thing. Someone rescued her.

Katie, excellent word: Rescued!

[Britney]

We all seem to have gotten off track here.

Please, let everyone quit dissecting both Ron and Crystal. We all have our personal opinions, but let's see if we can come up with suggestions that will aid in the recovery of Haleigh.

[Rick777]

Moto.....I respect your opinion and our differnces on Ron. I can see what you are saying about some of the drugs not being a huge deal, but when you look at how many times this guy has been busted you get the picture of an addict, and not a recreational drug user.

[Rick777]

We all seem to have gotten off track here.

Please, let everyone quit dissecting both Ron and Crystal. We all have our personal opinions, but let's see if we can come up with suggestions that will aid in the recovery of Haleigh.


I disagree Britney. Knowing ones past/present could be key in the disapearence of Haleigh. The cops keep coming back to the people in that home, and so should we until proven otherwise.

[msgatorslayer]

I'm Linda in Key West. My user name is lindasbaitsh coz the ack wouldn't fit, lol. I own Lindasbaitshack at MM30 (MM means mile marker...it's how keys keeps track of where we live or work).

Anyhow, now that introduction is complete, I thought I posted yesterday but don't see it. So, again I have to say firstly, the girlfriend is seen on TV smoking, smoking, smoking cigs. In the state of Florida the law is no smoking under the age of 18 years. Somebody outta tell her to stop it.

Secondly, my home was broken into when I lived in the Republic of Panama. At the time I had four young children and hubby and I were - we thought = light sleepers, always keeping an ear out for the kids in the night needing us. The robber was in our home long enough to make a meal, go through our file cabinets, load up the car, which meant he had to have gone in and out the door. The main point I want to make (having a point makes it much more interesting and revelant,lol)...is that the robber came into my bedroom and removed my rings from my fingers. I DIDN'T WAKE UP NOR EVEN STIR. So, it is possible for the girlfriend to not have heard the intruder/abductor.

Peace

Hi Linda. I love the Key's.

LE has bigger fish to fry than worrying about Misti smoking. Haleigh is missing and she needs to be found.

OMG, how scary for you. Such a violation and you didn't even wake up. Wow!!! Sorry that happened to you. Was the perp caught?

[n/t]

I don't understand all the Ron supporters in here. No matter what is dug up on him, some still wanna blame Crystal. To me, Crystal is a bad person and Ron is equally bad if not worse.

If you Ron supporters were on a jury trying to decide if Ron was a winner or a loser, and you had the evidence that has been posted here, would you say he's a winner? Using the evidence and past history you would not call him a winner if you had common sense!

Would you leave your child or children with Ron?

No and I wouldn't leave my kids with Crystal or Misty either after what's been revealed about them.

As for Ron, I would be absolutely terrified even trying to help find poor Haleigh. He scares the heck out of me. Maybe that's why he's not getting too many volunteers out there to help him look for his daughter.

Sad.

[Kelly3820]

I believe Rick, that MOST of what Crystal has said about Ron is a lie. That's my honest answer to you. What I know about Ron..isn't much, no more than what anyone else here knows. Just interpretted differently. What one calls significant drugs.. I don't see it as significant. 20 grams of marijuana..someone said is about a half ounce. IIRC morphine was on him (morphine pops is what crystal said.. i believe her there, she knows her drugs) and pills.. I don't recall them saying how many. If someone can show me he had 30 or 60 zanies not prescribed to him then I'll concede he may have been selling them. I haven't seen that yet though. Did he dabble..yes.. does he still dabble..no proof of that right now. Crystal was the pot calling the kettle black.. mad because she wasn't doing coke and he was, he shouldn't have been doing it in front of her.. well..neither one of them should have been doing coke, pregnant or not..but they both were apparently.2 people high on drugs can beat the crap out of each other all day long, I don't care. Their choice to do those drugs. A fight at a bar..that's what happens when you have young men, at bars drinking. A man who fights with another man, does not make him a wife beater IMO. She had an agenda and still does IMO.. it isn't working on me because I do not jump to a woman's side, simply because she is a woman. I am a mother to a son as well as daughters, so I can't jump on her side. She STILL looks like a druggie to me..he does not. Not saying that she is NOW, just like I'm not saying he is. If all he does is smoke weed, so be it. I see nothing wrong with that because IMO it should be legal..so that's where I'm coming from in my opinion.

And to be clear, I do not condone any of their lifestyles..not a bit. But when I see Ron, I see a father broken, over his daughter missing. I see a young man.. punk. You know, we live life and make choices..some good some bad. We don't foresee the future.. and one good decision to someone, is a bad decision to another person. I don't hold it against them.. mistakes..lesson hopefully learned. If more comes out about Ron specifically, i reserve the right to change my tune :closedeyes: And I know a few people like Ron, so I sympathize a bit with him. Or rather, don't condemn him to he77 for it. I dont' think he had anything to do with Haleigh missing, just as some don't think Crystal had anything to do with it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.


Great Post!!!!! I also I don't think either one took Haleigh. I also don't think Misty did either. Haleigh was abducted.

[Peaches]

Using your post to jump off of. Nothing personal against you or others.

I appreciate how some lives are and the upbringing they have. But some on here really need to step out of the box and realize there are so many families that have no clue that these kind of families are out there.
As an example: my now hubby is a truck driver. Going through a neighborhood around the Brooklyn area, there is a small town that is very poor looking. He said to me, why do these people live like this?? I got really pizzed. I said to him, do you think these people would live like this if they had a choice? Of course not to far from there, we have Manhatten. Big world of differences there.
Hope I made sense. It just irks me.
jmo


This is not my only post...............many have read where my parents were l6/18 when I was born. We did not always have everything we needed but we had loads of love............the unconditional kind.

My father was a coal miner in WV and later a truck driver (when the mines closed in WV.)

I have 6 siblings. We penciled in our address because we moved so often.............that's our joke.

Life has not always been GREAT but ----------------

We were taught that if you want/you work. That education is the way out of poverty. I went to school with hand me down clothes as did my siblings. We did not hate it-------we were grateful.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO do not think that I am looking down on anyone.

My grandparents were farmers...............the were what that other poster called RedNecks.....................to me they were the salt of the earth. Such wonderful people.

I am proud to say that I worked/my husband worked and together we insured that our children were able to get an education. I hope that you feel it is okay to be proud of my children

My children help others all the time.................they live what taught.

[bookie]

I don't understand all the Ron supporters in here. No matter what is dug up on him, some still wanna blame Crystal. To me, Crystal is a bad person and Ron is equally bad if not worse.

If you Ron supporters were on a jury trying to decide if Ron was a winner or a loser, and you had the evidence that has been posted here, would you say he's a winner? Using the evidence and past history you would not call him a winner if you had common sense!

Would you leave your child or children with Ron?



What evidence? Claims from an ex that didn't sway a judge to give her custody? Have you stopped to think that maybe the judge saw actual evidence that proved Crystal wrong considering he failed to give her custody?

[VC2]

While you are snooping around, see if you can find why Ron was supposed to be in court on or about 2/9 for Contempt of Court.

Is there a link to that? I thought it was crystal bc she hadnt paid court ordered child support

[Speedy30]

Moto.....I respect your opinion and our differnces on Ron. I can see what you are saying about some of the drugs not being a huge deal, but when you look at how many times this guy has been busted you get the picture of an addict, and not a recreational drug user.


I agree completely.

Ron may have not directly harmed his daughter, but I think his activities and dealings with unsavory people caused this. I think he was dealing drugs and he pizzed off the wrong people. I also think by Mistys appearance, she is a drug user. Now I personally dont care what drugs people ingest, but its never ok around kids.

jmo

[Anni]

Didn't mean to quote anybody, sorry.

I'm not sure why so much trash is being dug up of this family in this case, the day after Haleigh went missing and they showed the home, 2 little bikes were parked out front. Any pediphile in that area could have been scoping that home before finally taking little Haleigh.

After seeing what happened to the Lundsford family this kinda stuff is just sickening. JMO...

[IlliniFan]

We all seem to have gotten off track here.

Please, let everyone quit dissecting both Ron and Crystal. We all have our personal opinions, but let's see if we can come up with suggestions that will aid in the recovery of Haleigh.

I have a feeling Misty is the key. I wouldn't be surprised if she left at some point during the evening. Maybe she doesn't have a key, and had to leave the trailer unlocked. Someone that knows Ron was working nights could have taken her.

I know it's possible that someone could have come in while Misty and the children were sleeping, but I thought (not 100%) that there was no sign of forced entry. It's possible too, that Misty was asleep and she left the front door unlocked, and the abductor left through the side/back door.

I really don't think Misty harmed Haleigh. I hope that Misty has told LE everything. If she did leave for awhile that night, they need to know. She has to know that holding back information might make the difference in finding Haleigh alive.

Bless that little girl, she sure is a cutie....

[Peaches]

I think it says alot that Crystal got her license, and bought a home, she got away from Ron, I dont think she was ever going to accomplish that being with Ron, I think she was an abused woman, and I am glad she broke free, and I hope she has found happiness with this new man and their child. This child was obviously not safe with Ron.

jmo



Then why does she not pay her court ordered CHILD SUPPORT?

Does her bf work?

It was said that she does not?

Where did she get the money to buy a house? From the settlement of the accident?

[Motomom]

I think calling them "brats" is a big ado about nothing. I used to call my kids brats too when they'd be acting up. I still call them brats now and they're 18 and 20. It doesn't mean I don't love them or care for them.

Both Ron and Crystal have unsavoury lifestyles and one is not any better than the other imo. Sadly, they brought children into this world and they need to clean up their acts and straighten out their lives especially now that one of them is gone!

I think they both have to own up to their past mistakes and face the reality that one of their precious children is missing. Time to grow up and stop the crap and find their little girl.

Right.. right you are there N/t.. they need to grow up.. we dont' know that they haven't.. all we know is Crystal blasting ron on national tv over and over again. At least that's what I see. Nothing in their past matters if someone else stole this child. I understand you need to look into everything, but people are posting about charges from 04 and 05.. we are in 09 now.. JMO

[Rick777]

What evidence? Claims from an ex that didn't sway a judge to give her custody? Have you stopped to think that maybe the judge saw actual evidence that proved Crystal wrong considering he failed to give her custody?


What Crystal says is only her word until you look at his rap sheet, then you have to paint a picture. Would you leave your kids with Ron??

[Motomom]

Katie, excellent word: Rescued!

Yes.. some stranger saw fit to come into their house at 3 in the morning or there abouts and RESCUE ONE child..guess they didn't care about butterbean.. if it makes you feel better to think the child is in better hands, so be it.

[bookie]

What Crystal says is only her word until you look at his rap sheet, then you have to paint a picture. Would you leave your kids with Ron??


What does his rap sheet tell you? Did it tell you why most of the charges against him were dropped?

[Rick777]

What does his rap sheet tell you? Did it tell you why most of the charges against him were dropped?


First of all "most" were not dropped, SOME were. Do you not see a pattern? When you have that many run-ins with the law, you are not a prince.

[Adalena935]

Thats true because their loving mother did absolutely nothing to protect those kids from such a "horrible" situation as she describes it. I'm going to come right out and say it IMO Crystal is a disgrace that should not be aloud to "breed" any more children. This is not just a simple case of the father winning custody. If this "mother" knew of all these bad things that were happening and did nothing to stop it she is no better then the crap in my babies diaper... which I now must go change.

Ron told in live interview on national tv that he had sole custody. Here's the court records providing evidence he lied about it. It's shared custody. Also court records showing evidence the bio-mom did go through legal channels to try to help her children from what appears to be a very dangerous situation with a man with violent history with witnesses.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Speedy30]

Then why does she not pay her court ordered CHILD SUPPORT?

Does her bf work?

It was said that she does not?

Where did she get the money to buy a house? From the settlement of the accident?


I have no idea, but I know in this economy a job is not a guaranteed thing, especially when you hardly have any education, maybe she was looking for a job for a few months, things happen.

I hope her fiance works, they have another child to support, so hopefully he manned up, it sounds like when she found him she accomplished more than she ever did with Ron, so good for her.

[Britney]

There was a really good theory posted late yesterday.

I saw several on that dream website also.

[kate482000]

Yes.. some stranger saw fit to come into their house at 3 in the morning or there abouts and RESCUE ONE child..guess they didn't care about butterbean.. if it makes you feel better to think the child is in better hands, so be it.


It is really only wishful thinking on my part and regina's. I think we both know in our hearts that she wasn't rescued.....it's called hope.

[Peaches]

I don't understand all the Ron supporters in here. No matter what is dug up on him, some still wanna blame Crystal. To me, Crystal is a bad person and Ron is equally bad if not worse.

If you Ron supporters were on a jury trying to decide if Ron was a winner or a loser, and you had the evidence that has been posted here, would you say he's a winner? Using the evidence and past history you would not call him a winner if you had common sense!

Would you leave your child or children with Ron?


The answer is NO I would not trust Ron with my children...........nor, would I trust Crystal.

[Adalena935]

First of all "most" were not dropped, SOME were. Do you not see a pattern? When you have that many run-ins with the law, you are not a prince.

That's true according to what FBI has said also. Pat Brown said (CNN) past is used as an example for future behavior, during these investigations.

[VC2]

I didn't hear this. Was it an allegation or a fact found in court or something?

a fact admitted to by the mother herself in the custody hearing. I believe the exact words were "and sometimes i didn't feel like gettiing out of bed to take them to the doctor"

imo

[Rick777]

The answer is NO I would not trust Ron with my children...........nor, would I trust Crystal.


or Misty. I totally agree.

[Peaches]

I believe Rick, that MOST of what Crystal has said about Ron is a lie. That's my honest answer to you. What I know about Ron..isn't much, no more than what anyone else here knows. Just interpretted differently. What one calls significant drugs.. I don't see it as significant. 20 grams of marijuana..someone said is about a half ounce. IIRC morphine was on him (morphine pops is what crystal said.. i believe her there, she knows her drugs) and pills.. I don't recall them saying how many. If someone can show me he had 30 or 60 zanies not prescribed to him then I'll concede he may have been selling them. I haven't seen that yet though. Did he dabble..yes.. does he still dabble..no proof of that right now. Crystal was the pot calling the kettle black.. mad because she wasn't doing coke and he was, he shouldn't have been doing it in front of her.. well..neither one of them should have been doing coke, pregnant or not..but they both were apparently.2 people high on drugs can beat the crap out of each other all day long, I don't care. Their choice to do those drugs. A fight at a bar..that's what happens when you have young men, at bars drinking. A man who fights with another man, does not make him a wife beater IMO. She had an agenda and still does IMO.. it isn't working on me because I do not jump to a woman's side, simply because she is a woman. I am a mother to a son as well as daughters, so I can't jump on her side. She STILL looks like a druggie to me..he does not. Not saying that she is NOW, just like I'm not saying he is. If all he does is smoke weed, so be it. I see nothing wrong with that because IMO it should be legal..so that's where I'm coming from in my opinion.

And to be clear, I do not condone any of their lifestyles..not a bit. But when I see Ron, I see a father broken, over his daughter missing. I see a young man.. punk. You know, we live life and make choices..some good some bad. We don't foresee the future.. and one good decision to someone, is a bad decision to another person. I don't hold it against them.. mistakes..lesson hopefully learned. If more comes out about Ron specifically, i reserve the right to change my tune :closedeyes: And I know a few people like Ron, so I sympathize a bit with him. Or rather, don't condemn him to he77 for it. I dont' think he had anything to do with Haleigh missing, just as some don't think Crystal had anything to do with it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.



WOW.................excellent post!

[msgatorslayer]

Yes.. some stranger saw fit to come into their house at 3 in the morning or there abouts and RESCUE ONE child..guess they didn't care about butterbean.. if it makes you feel better to think the child is in better hands, so be it.

Miracle stories are hard to come by.:sad:

I don't know what to think. But I agree that it is doubtful someone took Haleigh to raise her as her own.

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes.. some stranger saw fit to come into their house at 3 in the morning or there abouts and RESCUE ONE child..guess they didn't care about butterbean.. if it makes you feel better to think the child is in better hands, so be it.

Didn't say anything about my feelings, said it was the only way I cound see Haleigh still being alive.

[Adalena935]

The answer is NO I would not trust Ron with my children...........nor, would I trust Crystal.

Right. All bashing aside.

Fact is the child disappeared on his watch. Sheriff said bio-mom was where she said she was 130+ miles away in her home at the time of the commission of this crime.

This man has a frightful history of violence against family and others on multiple court documents. News reported it early on in this case. FBI said they look at the history as a yardstick for future behavior. Source: CNN, MSNBC, Fox news, court records, testimony of witnesses.

It's not anything anyone's plucking out of thin air. His violence and death threats are evident on the 911 call.

[Motomom]

Moto.....I respect your opinion and our differnces on Ron. I can see what you are saying about some of the drugs not being a huge deal, but when you look at how many times this guy has been busted you get the picture of an addict, and not a recreational drug user.

Well I didn't see numerous drug busts. I think I saw maybe two.. one bust with numerous drugs though. But nothing really indicating how much drugs. Him getting busted doesn't give me the picture of an addict..but he may have been at that time in his life. I know someone who was "busted" with paraphanalia and residue of marijuana. Even though it was "residue", they still put it down as less then..X amount of grams.. It's been yrs so I can't remember specifically.. but basically he didn't have marijuana on him, just the residue in the bowl..but on paper it looked like he had more than that. He BTW as not an addict. So that's something else I take into consideration too.. Also the timeing of the arrests.. often times you see (IMO) arrests in say.. a 3 month period of time, which then I would say..there is a problem, depending on the drugs they are caught with..

BTW I'm not nor have I have been a druggie..but I swear I have rehab in bright lights across the front of my house. I'm proud to say that my niece and nephews father is clean and sober now.. with my help.. and he was a heroin addict. He wasn't a good father while on drugs.. but when he wasn't on them.. a good good loving father and now he's been clean, will be a yr soon..close to summertime..

[Rick777]

I think ANY sex offender, reguardless of thier sex crime should be required to wear a GPS bracelet so that abduction situations can rule them out right away.

[playnice]

I think ANY sex offender, reguardless of thier sex crime should be required to wear a GPS bracelet so that abduction situations can rule them out right away.

I would think they would want to for that reason.

[Speedy30]

Right. All bashing aside.

Fact is the child disappeared on his watch. Sheriff said bio-mom was where she said she was 130+ miles away in her home at the time of the commission of this crime.

This man has a frightful history of violence against family and others on multiple court documents. News reported it early on in this case. FBI said they look at the history as a yardstick for future behavior. Source: CNN, MSNBC, Fox news, court records, testimony of witnesses.

It's not anything anyone's plucking out of thin air. His violence and death threats are evident on the 911 call.


Yeah, his 911 calls are very interesting. I can honestly say I have never heard a frantic 911 call where the father is sure someone took his child and he was going to kill them, meanwhile saying my dumb b**** girlfriend lost my kid, and all the other interesting phrases.

Maybe his reaction is normal, but how was he just so sure that is what happened, how about maybe she got outside, did they run around the home screaming for her?

So many questions...

moo

[Armchairdet]

I was just thinking about the possibility of Ron having another child. The one Misty babysat for. Haleighs mom also had another child that is not Ron's. So in five years Ron and Crystal have brought four children into the world. I think this alone makes the case more complex because of how many people may be involved with the family, or extended family etc.

[Peaches]

Yes.. some stranger saw fit to come into their house at 3 in the morning or there abouts and RESCUE ONE child..guess they didn't care about butterbean.. if it makes you feel better to think the child is in better hands, so be it.


Thanks.................I know that this is a serious case............but, your post made me LOL.

[WhiteShark]

I have no sympathy for a man who hits his pregnant girlfriend in the head after ingesting coke, I believe Crystal on that, and in no way is that even excusable, it shows Ron is violent, and hes abusive, look at the way he talked to Misty, I understand being scared but Ron does not have any respect for women, I mean Misty met him while she was talking care of his "maybe" kid with another young girl, they started dating when she was 16, he basically ran off with the babysitter.

I just cant find anything great about him.

Got any proof.......any link other than Crystal's word? Of course, some of her words are interesting, like when she didn't want to get out of bed to take her daughter to the md, oh yea-----Ron MADE her do coke, right....right......I don't believe a word she has to say about that stuff, she is trying to stick it to him because she owes back child support.

[k_can004]

Where to begin???? Well I don't think Haleigh lived in a very good enviroment... not because the family lived in a mobile home, not because the parent(s) smoke cigs... imo it's because all the info coming out about both parents.... It makes me sad , that a child would have to live in what I see as an unstable enviroment, living with a dad that has used and still may be using, a mother who lives by the same standards... just so sad!!!!

Haleigh I hope you are found safe, dear sweet child...

ajmho

[Peaches]

I have no idea, but I know in this economy a job is not a guaranteed thing, especially when you hardly have any education, maybe she was looking for a job for a few months, things happen.

I hope her fiance works, they have another child to support, so hopefully he manned up, it sounds like when she found him she accomplished more than she ever did with Ron, so good for her.


What?

You do not care that she is not paying child support?

Also.............house with funds from settlement on auto accidednt? Did not take that much work.

moo

[Adalena935]

It may be that Ron is completely cleared of any wrongdoing re law enforcement. They haven't announced that yet though. His past history of violence and drug-using and drug-dealing are court records which amount to more than smoking a little pot, with witnesses signed statements in court documents.

It's entirely possible he had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearence. But I don't have enough information at this time to rule him out either. Law enforcement at their pressors have said he and his girlfriend are not ruled out yet. Going into week 3.

I'm confident the FBI and various sheriff's departments will succeed in fleshing out this crime and bring the culprit to justice as s/he should be.

Poor Haleigh. What a cute little girl. :wub:

[breeze53]

I disagree Britney. Knowing ones past/present could be key in the disapearence of Haleigh. The cops keep coming back to the people in that home, and so should we until proven otherwise.



Has the home been released back to them yet?
i am thinking LE thinks something bad happened inside that trailer.

[Britney]

Got any proof.......any link other than Crystal's word? Of course, some of her words are interesting, like when she didn't want to get out of bed to take her daughter to the md, oh yea-----Ron MADE her do coke, right....right......I don't believe a word she has to say about that stuff, she is trying to stick it to him because she owes back child support.

The next door neighbor told Geraldo she witnessed Ron being abusive.

[lindasbaitsh]

msgatorslayer. I didn't sleep a straight night for over two years, compelled to stay up all night patrolling the house. Yes, the perp was caught. It was a hungry Panamaian. (it was right after the invasion of Panama and people were hurting and hungry and some took to crime. It was crazy...the Balboa police station had been practically blown up and everything was running on central america time...it took almost a year to have my wedding rings returned. A good thing came out of it, though...I got involved in prison ministry, especially at the Modello, which was Noreiga's "model" prison, but that's another story. Fully alarm your doors and windows.

Peace

[Britney]

It may be that Ron is completely cleared of any wrongdoing re law enforcement. They haven't announced that yet though. His past history of violence and drug-using and drug-dealing are court records which amount to more than smoking a little pot, with witnesses signed statements in court documents.

It's entirely possible he had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearence. But I don't have enough information at this time to rule him out either. Law enforcement at their pressors have said he and his girlfriend are not ruled out yet. Going into week 3.

I'm confident the FBI and various sheriff's departments will succeed in fleshing out this crime and bring the culprit to justice as s/he should be.

Poor Haleigh. What a cute little girl. :wub:


Ron did say LE told him he pass the LDT with flying colors.

[bookie]

First of all "most" were not dropped, SOME were. Do you not see a pattern? When you have that many run-ins with the law, you are not a prince.


I posted a link to an article the other day that said most of the charges had been dropped. ALOT of the drug charges were from before Haleigh was even born. I'm not going to villify a man who stepped up and fought for custody of his kids based on nothing more than the word of his ex.

[Motomom]

Miracle stories are hard to come by.:sad:

I don't know what to think. But I agree that it is doubtful someone took Haleigh to raise her as her own.

I know msgator and I see how it was wishful thinking on the posters parts.. and I would love to think that someone is taking care of her.. and you never know..I do think she's alive though..but not being well cared for iykwim..

[Adalena935]

I was just thinking about the possibility of Ron having another child. The one Misty babysat for. Haleighs mom also had another child that is not Ron's. So in five years Ron and Crystal have brought four children into the world. I think this alone makes the case more complex because of how many people may be involved with the family, or extended family etc.

Oh I think it does too. Thanks for posting the link to the pdf court documents in the links thread.

I'm sure law enforcement is checking into all leads, still searching (as of yesterday that I googled) and checking into any people who are associated with any of the players in this. If dad was a drug dealer, I would imagine his customers are as scarce as hen's teeth right about now. They've got a job on their hands with this case. Poor Haleigh.

[Speedy30]

Got any proof.......any link other than Crystal's word? Of course, some of her words are interesting, like when she didn't want to get out of bed to take her daughter to the md, oh yea-----Ron MADE her do coke, right....right......I don't believe a word she has to say about that stuff, she is trying to stick it to him because she owes back child support.

Well, I think the only proof of abuse in this case is the court documents, drug abuse, etc.

I think something raises a red flag with me when Ron said he knew how to properly hit his child, to me that screams someone had to show him the "right" way to use force against his child, I think thats alarming.

I dont think Ron made Crystal do coke, do I think he probably introduced it to her, yeah, I do.

Just because she owes back child support does not change the hurt she probably has felt at Rons hands, there is a lot of pent up anger, and I would be pretty angry to if my child was snatched from her bed under the care of her father and his young girlfriend, especially when 3 months prior she made a call the DCF alarmed about something, I am assuming it was her who called.

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

I was just thinking about the possibility of Ron having another child. The one Misty babysat for. Haleighs mom also had another child that is not Ron's. So in five years Ron and Crystal have brought four children into the world. I think this alone makes the case more complex because of how many people may be involved with the family, or extended family etc.

Right. Between all the ex's, currents, and drama, who did what? Who has an axe to grind. Who is jealous? Does any of it even matter? Remains to be seen. Could be a complete stranger that took Haleigh. No connection to anyone.

[breeze53]

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She got away from Ron to make a better life for herself but she left the kids with Ron. She could have fought harder for them. I have no respect for Crystal.
I find it odd that LE took her and her alone to that abandoned house. JMO


What abandoned house ?

[Motomom]

I think ANY sex offender, reguardless of thier sex crime should be required to wear a GPS bracelet so that abduction situations can rule them out right away.

If we are going to let sex offenders live, and live amongst in society.. I agree 100% with you.. only I think they should have an implant so they can't take it out.. knocke em, implant em, they'll never know where it is to get out.. then put the map online so everyone can see where there is an rso at any given point.. ahhhh one day LOL

[msgatorslayer]

What abandoned house ?

Someone posted a video link earlier. IIRC, the area was 20 miles away. But LE came to tent land and got Crystal. Brining her to the boarded up, abandoned house.

[Adalena935]

I posted a link to an article the other day that said most of the charges had been dropped. ALOT of the drug charges were from before Haleigh was even born. I'm not going to villify a man who stepped up and fought for custody of his kids based on nothing more than the word of his ex.

Why did bio-dad say he has sole custody in live interview on national tv when court documents say otherwise?

It's shared custody according to these court documents.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.

Maybe he's one of those people who is so accustomed to lying it comes easily to him. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn he passed the polygraph. They only measure emotion and it's said by LE often that's just the type of person who can pass easily. Source: Vince Bugliosi the man who got manson.

[Peaches]

I appreciate your post. I also said it wasn't aimed at you or anyone else.

It would be a perfect world if we all had your upbringing, but sadly its not. I was one who is in the NOT category.

ps. my grandfather was a coal miner in PA.


I have seen many of your post and agree with you more often than not.

My life was HARD.................I know that many had things worse than me..............you know that old saying: I compained about not having shoes until I saw the man with no feet.

I try to remember this when I am having my very own pitty party!

Coal Miner...........My dad died 3 years ago.......he was able to get out of the mines ONLY because they closed and there was no work. We moved from WV and he became a truck driver. Even with this he had black lung and I hate to say it but he was also a smoker.

Many fail to remember that when our parents started smoking they did not have all the evidence of what smoking does to you and those around.

Going to fold clothes..............must get those chores done.

[breeze53]

I have been reading the posts for several days now, this case has captivated me and all you guys seem to be on top of things. The way I see it is one of two things happened: 1. either Haleigh really was abducted by a totally random stranger and will probably never be found, because she could be anywhere by now, or 2. dad came home, GF was either in the process of sneaking in the back door after being out and about in the neighborhood partying or was already passed out on the bed after partying, Haleigh was trying to change her clothes after she wet the bed again, dad is really pissed at GF, and gets mad at Haleigh because she was wet and probably started crying, dad backhands Haleigh and yells at her to shut up, Haleigh falls, takes a fatal blow to the head (maybe on a toy they later moved) leaves no blood, and dad & GF panick and have cousin from Tennessee take off with her and dump the body somewhere between FL and TN. Now the dad & GF are sober, wondering how in the sam hill it all spiraled out of control so fast, and never anticipated the intense media scrutiny.

I quite frankly think the latter is the most likely scenario. Uncontrolled temper/rage is an awful thing in a person.


The cousin from Tennessee has been cleared.

[VC2]

Knowing what you know about Ron just since this case started, do you honestly believe that??

Do i believe crystal lied? Yes i do. Especially after reading the article about the so called drowning where she describes it. i cant even find the original article that her own words but here is a part...

now remember what you saw in the pdf..sounds like she was alone for hours and ron didnt care, he lost haleigh and that was it..luckily mom came over and saved her.

CBS47/FOX30 asked Sheffield about the incident Wednesday. She said she was outside Ronald's mother's house putting Haleigh's younger brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., in his car seat. She claimed Ronald Cummings Sr. was responsible for Haleigh. Sheffield said she asked Ronald where Haleigh was and he didn't know. She claims she soon found Haleigh in the canal.

Sheffield never called police about this incident and there is no other record of it taking place. A judge has yet to change Ronald's primary custody status.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

night and day bw the description given to the judge and the one crystal herself gave to the reporter, they were packing up the car, she was putting jr. in the car seat and like kids do in the blink of an eye haleigh managed to rund down to the river.

IF it happened at all. I dont believe she nearly drowned or had to be revived, insane not to call a paramedic or rush her to hospital if she was unconcsious.

IMO

[Adalena935]

I have been reading the posts for several days now, this case has captivated me and all you guys seem to be on top of things. The way I see it is one of two things happened: 1. either Haleigh really was abducted by a totally random stranger and will probably never be found, because she could be anywhere by now, or 2. dad came home, GF was either in the process of sneaking in the back door after being out and about in the neighborhood partying or was already passed out on the bed after partying, Haleigh was trying to change her clothes after she wet the bed again, dad is really pissed at GF, and gets mad at Haleigh because she was wet and probably started crying, dad backhands Haleigh and yells at her to shut up, Haleigh falls, takes a fatal blow to the head (maybe on a toy they later moved) leaves no blood, and dad & GF panick and have cousin from Tennessee take off with her and dump the body somewhere between FL and TN. Now the dad & GF are sober, wondering how in the sam hill it all spiraled out of control so fast, and never anticipated the intense media scrutiny.

I quite frankly think the latter is the most likely scenario. Uncontrolled temper/rage is an awful thing in a person.

I think it's entierly possible he harmed her as much as I think it might have been an intruder. His history is not good.
I do think they'll solve this case though.

[breeze53]

Someone posted a video link earlier. IIRC, the area was 20 miles away. But LE came to tent land and got Crystal. Brining her to the boarded up, abandoned house.

Ok thanks i have been off for a couple hrs i missed this:laugh: