Tuesday 2/24

[Pag Boi]

I heard about sightings in tenn. but that's it.


Locally, there have been some unsubstantiated sightings of Cummings in Flagler-area retail stores, said Sheriff’s Maj. Steve Clair.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/breakingnews/missing022009.htm

[Ice Cycle]

Latest News from 1st coast news is that Ron's side of the family is mad because news of someone dress in black took Haleigh, they said it shouldn't have been told to the public.

Well this to me is kind of ridiculous anyway as any 4 year old is going to think someone is dressed in black that has dark clothing on especially since it was probably dark in the room.

[n/t]

Maybe their entire focus is on Misty and that's why it's not such a big deal to the Capt about the "informant" rumours because they're not true and they have a theory on what may have happened to Haleigh?

Very frustrating.

[Pag Boi]

I would like to know what the train schedules were like that day. For instance, were there any parked trains waiting? Leaving in an empty boxcar seems like a perfect getaway, or even dumping a body in one.

:shrug:

JMO



http://www.cwrr.com/Amtrak/e_fl_n.html


isn't this in Puma County? Mebbe I'm confusing towns tho
Silver Silver
Meteor Star
Train Number R98 R92
Days of Operation Daily Daily
Palatka, FL 354 2:47p 6:28p

eta: doesn't acct for the freight trains that would pass thru.

[n/t]

They're very tight lipped about everything in this case and that is very unusual in a missing child case. Usually they give out any information they can but from what I'm noticing is that they want the public to focus on Haleigh and her face.

What does this all mean? They haven't ruled out any of the family members, the home is still a crime scene but yet we know nothing except rumours and speculations running rampant on all message boards and they won't confirm nor deny any of the rumours.

[Regina.Lampert]

Understand what your saying Motomom and you make sense. My problem is that Misty says she woke up..saw light on..saw backdoor open or propped open w/brick. Now....Misty calls Ron at his work so that means he was still at work...he drives home(I feel sure Misty is still looking) don't know how long he was home BEFORE they called 911. The ONLY thing for a fact is the time the call came into LE. Once again too many questions.jmo

Maybe misty couldn't remember the number to 911.

[Motomom]

Maybe their entire focus is on Misty and that's why it's not such a big deal to the Capt about the "informant" rumours because they're not true and they have a theory on what may have happened to Haleigh?

Very frustrating.

good point.. not necesarily just misty though, could just be that they have someone of interest.. I hope they find her.

[n/t]

Latest News from 1st coast news is that Ron's side of the family is mad because news of someone dress in black took Haleigh, they said it shouldn't have been told to the public.

Crystal talked about it on Nancy Grace last night and now they're mad because it went public? Good grief. If she didn't want to talk about why didn't she say she couldn't discuss it. Period.

[VC2]

possibly....

i dont think he thinks it is relevant info to the public! (which it isnt). So he said possibly i.e i wont answer that, none of your business plus he wouldnt want amber and child to get drawn into the media stalking

IMO

[n/t]

good point.. not necesarily just misty though, could just be that they have someone of interest.. I hope they find her.

True. Could be someone else. I hope they find her alive. :sad:

[caphill]

Why? Had they rather everyone keep accusing Ron and Misty?


If that little boy saw enough to help identify someone that came in that house, he could be the next one to disappear.

I thought it quite stupid that this info was given out. If LE wanted this to be public they would have released it.

[Motomom]

They're very tight lipped about everything in this case and that is very unusual in a missing child case. Usually they give out any information they can but from what I'm noticing is that they want the public to focus on Haleigh and her face.

What does this all mean? They haven't ruled out any of the family members, the home is still a crime scene but yet we know nothing except rumours and speculations running rampant on all message boards and they won't confirm nor deny any of the rumours.

I don't know.. we know nothing because it's an ongoing investigation and no arrests.. yet they have to see the families being drug through the mud.. all members of the families and they aren't saying anything. I'm with you, it's frustrating..and I think they can clear people, or clear up rumors anyway, without give us the dirty details.

[Zeus]

Crystal talked about it on Nancy Grace last night and now they're mad because it went public? Good grief. If she didn't want to talk about why didn't she say she couldn't discuss it. Period.

Ron's family is mad---not Crystal's.

[Deb7]

http://www.cwrr.com/Amtrak/e_fl_n.html


isn't this in Puma County? Mebbe I'm confusing towns tho
Silver Silver
Meteor Star
Train Number R98 R92
Days of Operation Daily Daily
Palatka, FL 354 2:47p 6:28p

eta: doesn't acct for the freight trains that would pass thru.

Thanks for all that Pag Boi! I think I am thinking more along the lines of freight trains... you know with the open box cars that someone could slip themselves or something into unnoticed.
I just know where I live it is common for the freight trains to stop (often times blocking vehicular traffic because they don't care about the fines) but I am unsure if they are on regular schedules, and if they are how one could go about seeing when or if a freight train was stopped on those tracks that same night/ early morning.

Sorry after I typed that top line I noticed that you had an ETA with that freight train line. :)

[Deb7]

I tried to search for train schedule but never came close. But I remember the 911 tape of the police, they did say to check out the train schedule and see when the next train comes in, or left.

Oh I am so glad you replied, I have honestly been hoping to hear that LE had considered that scenario. I was thinking I would have to call them up and drop them a hint. I guess they probably know how to do their jobs though huh. :P

[n/t]

Ron's family is mad---not Crystal's.

Thanks I misunderstood. What else is new? Both camps are dispicable, imo. Stop the BS and start looking for your daughter. What good is it to throw daggers at each other? :thumbdown:

Where's Haleigh?

[WhiteShark]

I must need to put a disclaimer in my posts LOL. Did I say you said any of that?? I said I would like to READ where she went, what she did and with whom..I have only read it on the messageboards. I thought the rule was if it was posted as fact (which I dont even know if it was) a link was to be provided? I'm hateful?? Is that a personal accusation? Im sorry if you feel I'm hateful.. I'm not..never have been, never will be. I dont take everything that is written on a message board personally though.

I was waiting with you Motomom.......I have wanted to read more about that since I saw it here. :confused:

[WhiteShark]

jeez I hope JVM doesn't have that br*$nsprediction dude on her show....as the exciting psychic:cursing:

or I will be having BIG issues.........

[n/t]

Off to watch JVM. I wonder if she's covering this case. Maybe we'll get more non information.

[breeze53]

If that little boy saw enough to help identify someone that came in that house, he could be the next one to disappear.

I thought it quite stupid that this info was given out. If LE wanted this to be public they would have released it.


I agree I hope they have him in a safe place right now. What does this family do now since they have called off all ground searches? IMO LE didnt look long enough. I'm afraid each day that goes by the news of this child missing will get slimmer and slimmer. Does anyone know if the family searched today at all or if anyone came to help search. How much longer until they release the trailer back to them? So many unanswered questions.

[Zeus]

Thanks I misunderstood. What else is new? Both camps are dispicable, imo. Stop the BS and start looking for your daughter. What good is it to throw daggers at each other? :thumbdown:

Where's Haleigh?

Ron's side of the family isn't saying much about Crystal nor are they giving out any information that LE has not already released. It's Crystal that's been running her mouth about the guy in black clothing/ Ron being a drug informant etc. I hope by now LE has taken her and her family aside and told them to put a lid on it-----they may be hindering the investigation.

[Armchairdet]

Does anyone have a theory on what if anything Ron meant during the 911 call when he said something to the effect, 'We have more important people to talk to than someone that isn't coming'?

[Lorakai]

I know I've heard LE said she did not wander off, but they may have had to say that based on the story they were given at the time. I put this out there yesterday...

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ok,.. I'm gonna throw what I think happened to HC as of right now anyway this theory could change of course, for now this is all just pure speculation, and none of which is supported by fact. This is just a theory...

RC came home from work to find MC passed out, the kitchen light on dishes in the sink, back door wide open. This would explain why MC does not know where they were sleeping, what HC was wearing, what she got up for, or what time she actually awoke and why the pink shirt was the last thing she remembered HC wearing. HC prob got herself ready for bed and MC last saw her earlier in the day.

Anyway, RC comes home, get's mad and wakes MC, starting a fight with her. Yelling ensues, jr. stays put on the bed but HC runs out of the house at some point through the backdoor that was already open.

HC is scared and running on adrenaline? maybe runs looking for help but at 3:00am, the streets are dark and desolate, but facing whats back at home is scarrier? Maybe she thinks she can find her mothers house? This could possibly explain the K9 track which takes a loop and last lands at the railroad crossing? It's unknown in my mind what could have happened there next.

RC and MC did not realize that HC had run out of the house until it was too late. Why not just say then that you had a fight and your daughter who has now run out of the house? Because, theoretically you know if someone else finds her and delivers her to the police station, next they will be knocking at your door, there will be an official report.

So you call 911 to give the neglect validation. You hang up on them twice, and give refuse to give them information about your child, or the conditions of your home. DCF would get involved and your whole life would be turned upside down. You've lost her before, if you lose her again you lose your children, and child support money. CS would win, and you would lose everything, so you say someone took her and create a story that makes you and your gf look innocent, appropriate sleeping arrangements, times the kids go to bed etc.

[RiverWalk]

They're very tight lipped about everything in this case and that is very unusual in a missing child case. Usually they give out any information they can but from what I'm noticing is that they want the public to focus on Haleigh and her face.

What does this all mean? They haven't ruled out any of the family members, the home is still a crime scene but yet we know nothing except rumours and speculations running rampant on all message boards and they won't confirm nor deny any of the rumours.

Lots were clamoring for the press when little 3 year old Dominick Arceneaux went missing. LOTS of message board went overboard with their hateful posts about the family, imo and had nothing to do with finding the boy. A HUGE FBI group (on the ground) remained tight lipped (wouldn't confirm/deny anything) until the very end and then little Dom's body surfaced in the lake.

I was proud of our IS board when I got back to see that no one went "there" and most just prayed for the little one to be found and some wanted more coverage. Too much or not enough is always hard. :(

moo

[IM4Truth]

I didn't catch who that Connie person was that JVM was interviewing but she said everyone was scared and keeping a close watch on their children, relatives picking them up at bus stops, etc. What blows my mind is that there are 44 or 45 registered sex offenders living within a 5 mile radius (I think that was the stats reported). I would think all children in that area should have a tight reign! I wouldn't even let them play alone outside if I lived there.

[breeze53]

Does anyone have a theory on what if anything Ron meant during the 911 call when he said something to the effect, 'We have more important people to talk to than someone that isn't coming'?


Good question and who could be more important they LE when your child has been kidnapped? Unless you already know who has her:shrug:

[KatyDid]

JVM discussing Ron's rap sheet now.

[Armchairdet]

Good question and who could be more important they LE when your child has been kidnapped? Unless you already know who has her:shrug:

I wonder what other calls if any were made that night. I mean he could have just been talking, but it did strike me as an odd comment. IMO

[KatyDid]

:scared: Jeanine Pirro says RC arrested 9 times. 3 times resulted in probation. as heard on JVM show.

[Themis]

Ron's side of the family isn't saying much about Crystal nor are they giving out any information that LE has not already released. It's Crystal that's been running her mouth about the guy in black clothing/ Ron being a drug informant etc. I hope by now LE has taken her and her family aside and told them to put a lid on it-----they may be hindering the investigation.

Well, except for that little boo-boo when Ron's own mother blabbed that Ron had been in a fight with a guy over a gun. Next day we hear Ron saying paraphrasing: 'never happened' -- don't know where you media people are getting that info.

This has turned into a 3-ring circus. I do not blame the media 100% for it either. All parties have the right to refuse to give statements or be interviewed. Have any of them ever heard the words: NO COMMENT.

This situation has become so ridiculous I am reminded of Ron White's famous remark: "I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability."

Since it doesn't appear that any of the clans are independently wealthy now would be a good time for all of them to pack up their tents (literally); go back to work (jobs are hard to come by); focus attention on the children right in front of them (like Junior and Chloe) and let LE do what can be done.


JMO

[TunaMelt]

Connie, Christal's stepmom was just on JVM, and she told Jane the family is is very afraid for Junior. Which I must admit, I didn't think of. She has a three year old, and she said she doesn't even stay for the vigils at night because of the fear. I suppose she means that whoever took Haleigh is still out there.

moo

We're stumped over here in my house...who is Connie? JVM said " the maternal step-mother" and she has a 3 year old little boy?

So...Connie is whose maternal step mom? And how old is she, if you know.

TIA

[IM4Truth]

Jeanne Pirro says for Ron to have so many dismissals,(9), and refused to go into a drug program tells her he is cooperating with LE.

There ya go, if you believe a former judge.

moo

I took that to mean that Ron is probably an informant?

[VC2]

Has this already been discussed?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html

yes but most don't believe a 4 year old could say that or something.. which baffles me because it was almost instant belief in the cutts case when a 2 year old said "mummy wrapped up in carpet".

Why is there such disbelief of a 4 year old when a 2 year old had vital info that was correct? I suppose bc it doesn't fit predetermined ideas that either misty or ron murdered haleigh.

IMO

[KatyDid]

Jeanne Pirro says for Ron to have so many dismissals,(9), and refused to go into a drug program tells her he is cooperating with LE.

There ya go, if you believe a former judge.

moo

It does suggest some preferential treatment for his crimes, imo. Not many folks walk continuously with a rap sheet like that.

[iluvmua]

Didn't LE say that Misty has been cleared?

[Lorakai]

Thanks. Started here after that happened. I had not heard all the info on the tracking dogs either.

I put out my theory which suggests she may have been wandering...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12825204#post12825204


also,.. here is the transcribed track the K9 took from the official initial report...

Putnam County called in a K9 unit to help find missing Haleigh. Jeff Hardy and the K9 unit initiated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence. The track lead directly out the backdoor, and down a wooded path, as we traveled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be a small child's footprint in the dirt. It was noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still inside the residence. The track led to a pond and then back to Green Drive. At the last residence on the right side of Green Dr. was a smal building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building and verified that no one was inside. The track then continued north past the residence, where we made a left turn on Monroe Ave. We made another left onto Buchanan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Ave. (the next sentence was removed, blacked out) We then made a right turn on Buffalo Bluff Road, to the railroad crossing, where we were forced to end the track, because the K9 was unable to follow it further.

[TunaMelt]

Well, except for that little boo-boo when Ron's own mother blabbed that Ron had been in a fight with a guy over a gun. Next day we hear Ron saying paraphrasing: 'never happened' -- don't know where you media people are getting that info.

This has turned into a 3-ring circus. I do not blame the media 100% for it either. All parties have the right to refuse to give statements or be interviewed. Have any of them ever heard the words: NO COMMENT.

This situation has become so ridiculous I am reminded of Ron White's famous remark: "I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability."

Since it doesn't appear that any of the clans are independently wealthy now would be a good time for all of them to pack up their tents (literally); go back to work (jobs are hard to come by); focus attention on the children right in front of them (like Junior and Chloe) and let LE do what can be done.


JMO

Excellent post.
:thumbup:

[KatyDid]

We're stumped over here in my house...who is Connie? JVM said " the maternal step-mother" and she has a 3 year old little boy?

So...Connie is whose maternal step mom? And how old is she, if you know.

TIA

Maternal would be Crystal, right? She looked really young. She has a 3 y/o herself.

[VC2]

Too bad he didn't get a sitter who was age appropriate.

i dont get it.. i really don't. I lived in chicago area in my teens and i would say that almost every single 16 and 17 year old girl made their pocket money by babysitting. It was how we bought albums, went to concerts, got favorite clothes our parents refused to buy etc etc.

They would have had to arrest all the parents in Winnetka for child endangerment if 16 and 17 is considered to young. That is crazy!! Misty may or may not be involved but her age at 17 does not mean she is too young to look after toddlers. I think what some really mean is she should not be intimate with the dad, but that is a whole different issue

[Peaches]

ron's side of the family isn't saying much about crystal nor are they giving out any information that le has not already released. It's crystal that's been running her mouth about the guy in black clothing/ ron being a drug informant etc. I hope by now le has taken her and her family aside and told them to put a lid on it-----they may be hindering the investigation.



bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IM4Truth]

I put out my theory which suggests she may have been wandering...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12825204#post12825204


also,.. here is the transcribed track the K9 took from the official initial report...

Putnam County called in a K9 unit to help find missing Haleigh. Jeff Hardy and the K9 unit initiated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence. The track lead directly out the backdoor, and down a wooded path, as we traveled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be a small child's footprint in the dirt. It was noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still inside the residence. The track led to a pond and then back to Green Drive. At the last residence on the right side of Green Dr. was a smal building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building and verified that no one was inside. The track then continued north past the residence, where we made a left turn on Monroe Ave. We made another left onto Buchanan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Ave. (the next sentence was removed, blacked out) We then made a right turn on Buffalo Bluff Road, to the railroad crossing, where we were forced to end the track, because the K9 was unable to follow it further.

If Haleigh did wander out on her own, I believe it would have been in daylight because both families said she was very much afraid of the dark. What about the door propped open? Maybe to make it look like someone took her when Misty couldn't find her?

[KatyDid]

Didn't LE say that Misty has been cleared?

That is what NG reported last night a end of her show.

[TunaMelt]

Maternal would be Crystal, right? She looked really young. She has a 3 y/o herself.

That's what DH said when I told him she was the "maternal step mother."

Well, first he laughed real hard. Once he stopped, he said she can't be more than 16...just like every female in this saga.

:rolleyes:


:wub:

[RiverWalk]

Thanks I misunderstood. What else is new? Both camps are dispicable, imo. Stop the BS and start looking for your daughter. What good is it to throw daggers at each other? :thumbdown:

Where's Haleigh?

Unless I've missed it, I haven't heard the Cummings family and extended family say vile things about Crystal. I've heard Crystal and her mother on TV saying vile things about Haleigh's and Jr.'s dad. NOT GOOD. One half of those children is their father and saying "he's bad" can and might translate to the children that THAT 1/2 is bad too. No one should trash another parent to their chlldren, imo.

MOO

[kitty1182]

I took that to mean that Ron is probably an informant?

My husband said that is excatly what it sounds like to him..:wink:

[RiverWalk]

That is what NG reported last night a end of her show.

AND it was on that ribbon thingy (ticker??) that runs under the screen. Have no idea where they got that from.

READ back to last night's thread during the NG show. Posters here saw the same thing I did.

[IM4Truth]

i dont get it.. i really don't. I lived in chicago area in my teens and i would say that almost every single 16 and 17 year old girl made their pocket money by babysitting. It was how we bought albums, went to concerts, got favorite clothes our parents refused to buy etc etc.

They would have had to arrest all the parents in Winnetka for child endangerment if 16 and 17 is considered to young. That is crazy!! Misty may or may not be involved but her age at 17 does not mean she is too young to look after toddlers. I think what some really mean is she should not be intimate with the dad, but that is a whole different issue

You just sparked a memory. I grew up in a small rural farming community in central IL. I know of one, possibly two teenagers who spent their summers in Chicago as live-in nanny's for families. I believe you had to be 16 to do it though.

[Pag Boi]

Clark wasn't talking about every case when he said that. He was talking about Ron Cummings saying he passed his poly. Clark said emphatically that did not happen. shrug

It was last Thursday following LE pressor. CNN Headline news.

Oh well I didn't ask anyone to like Clark or decide anything re what he said. All I did was report here that he did say it. period.

Whether anyone likes him or not is their business.


YOU SAID Ron Clark was in charge of this investigation. He is NOT.

He has NOTHING to do with this investigation. How would Clark know anything about what went on in this investigation? Seems he has gotten in legal trouble b/f for misrepresenting the truth but all I am doing is reporting that it did happen.
JMOO

[Ice Cycle]

Connie, Christal's stepmom was just on JVM, and she told Jane the family is is very afraid for Junior. Which I must admit, I didn't think of. She has a three year old, and she said she doesn't even stay for the vigils at night because of the fear. I suppose she means that whoever took Haleigh is still out there.

moo

As I said earlier, I wonder if that door was prompted open to go back and get him and then maybe heard her get up.

[Lorakai]

If Haleigh did wander out on her own, I believe it would have been in daylight because both families said she was very much afraid of the dark. What about the door propped open? Maybe to make it look like someone took her when Misty couldn't find her?

In the link to my original theory I explained it could be that HC was so scared by something in the house, which if adrenaline was going, fear of being in the house could be worse than going out in the dark.

My theory could explain a lot more too:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...4#post12825204 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12825204#post12825204)

[KatyDid]

That's what DH said when I told him she was the "maternal step mother."

Well, first he laughed real hard. Once he stopped, he said she can't be more than 16...just like every female in this saga.

:rolleyes:


:wub:

Ain't that the truth! LOL


back atcha :wub:

[IM4Truth]

In the link to my original theory I explained it could be that HC was so scared by something in the house, which if adrenaline was going, fear of being in the house could be worse than going out in the dark.

My theory could explain a lot more too:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...4#post12825204 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12825204#post12825204)

I don't think that theory could work if Ron really got off work at 3 am and got home by 3:25 am and the 911 call was at 3:27 am? IIRC his job is about 20 minutes away. Also, Haleigh would have had to get that back door unlocked to get out.

[TunaMelt]

I took it to mean that Connie is married to Chrystal's Bio Dad.

...Thanks!...

[Pag Boi]

OK. I might reconsider the wandering off theory as a remote possibility in light of LE's comments on the matter. Interesting to read after repeated posts that LE said something different. JMOO

"We continue to believe this could be an abduction," Rose said. "Whether she was abducted from her own or Haleigh left on her own and somebody picked her up, of course, that person has no rights to Haleigh and that is considered an abduction."


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18707263/detail.html

[summer4meplz]

I put out my theory which suggests she may have been wandering...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12825204#post12825204


also,.. here is the transcribed track the K9 took from the official initial report...

Putnam County called in a K9 unit to help find missing Haleigh. Jeff Hardy and the K9 unit initiated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence. The track lead directly out the backdoor, and down a wooded path, as we traveled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be a small child's footprint in the dirt. It was noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still inside the residence. The track led to a pond and then back to Green Drive. At the last residence on the right side of Green Dr. was a smal building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building and verified that no one was inside. The track then continued north past the residence, where we made a left turn on Monroe Ave. We made another left onto Buchanan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Ave. (the next sentence was removed, blacked out) We then made a right turn on Buffalo Bluff Road, to the railroad crossing, where we were forced to end the track, because the K9 was unable to follow it further.


they found ONE footprint? there goes the wandering off theory doesn't it? also the theory of running away from ron and misty's fighting? One footprint....did she struggle out of someone's arms or did they set her down for a minute....?? what does one footprint mean?

[VC2]

You just sparked a memory. I grew up in a small rural farming community in central IL. I know of one, possibly two teenagers who spent their summers in Chicago as live-in nanny's for families. I believe you had to be 16 to do it though.

yep. Also most families wanted a sitter/nanny with a drivers license, rather useless if they cant take them to dances or recitals etc when parents were away and 16 was the age.

this junk about 17 being to young and irresponsible is just mindboggling. It is the norm, where else do you find sitters except for the neighborhood teens except family - who cant be expected to babysit your kids whenever you need to work, they have lives too?

[sunstar]

I didn't catch who that Connie person was that JVM was interviewing but she said everyone was scared and keeping a close watch on their children, relatives picking them up at bus stops, etc. What blows my mind is that there are 44 or 45 registered sex offenders living within a 5 mile radius (I think that was the stats reported). I would think all children in that area should have a tight reign! I wouldn't even let them play alone outside if I lived there.

Hi! I missed the comments on Jane's show (just got home from work) but along the lines of your post, I'm wondering if other mothers of small children in the area are afraid? I don't seem to recall LE warning the public about a predator, but maybe missed it in their press conferences? :shrug:

[summer4meplz]

NG was talking about Crystal being cleared. As was evidenced by her posting on the NG website.


honestly, nancy isn't the best at stating facts.......I would believe someone on this message board over nancy any day of the week.....

[Pag Boi]

they found ONE footprint? there goes the wandering off theory doesn't it? also the theory of running away from ron and misty's fighting? One footprint....did she struggle out of someone's arms or did they set her down for a minute....?? what does one footprint mean?


Could it be Jr's? Or someone else's? LE hasn't said whose footprint it was.

[n/t]

Good question and who could be more important they LE when your child has been kidnapped? Unless you already know who has her:shrug:

It also puts a whole new meaning to Ron's plea to whoever has Haleigh that she's not property. She's his daughter.

I think I'm starting to get it now. Hope Haleigh is safe and the cops know exactly where she is.

[CC I See]

Lorakai-thank you for going to the trouble of getting that info together. The wandering child is still not off the radar for me. Wonder if police are diverting attention from some things?:wink:.... I am going to restate what I said earlier. Maybe something scared Haleigh and she ran away from the home and then got lost which would have been earlier right after dark. Maybe she was afraid of being punished and hid somewhere. Someone could have found her and took advantage of the situation or she could have ended up in the water. I am still not convinced that she was taken.

[iluvmua]

Haleigh's family is almost as dysfunctional as Caylee's family. This case get sadder and sadder by the minute.

[playnice]

I hope Cindy Anthony isnt calling in mall tips again.:rolleyes:

[playnice]

No one has been cleared.

[Lorakai]

I don't think that theory could work if Ron really got off work at 3 am and got home by 3:25 am and the 911 call was at 3:27 am? IIRC his job is about 20 minutes away. Also, Haleigh would have had to get that back door unlocked to get out.

I think it's not been confirmed that he got off work at 3:00am,.. Misty said to the officers when they arrived that she woke "just before" 3:00am and Ron came home 5 minutes later. Could he have gotten off work early? The door could have been left open in the condition it was left in from earlier in the day.

[Pag Boi]

Misty said the children along with her brothers kids were playing outside that afternoon around 5 - 5:30 pm. Is it possible the dogs picked up Haleigh's scent from her afternoon romp outside, and not any from later that night?

Didn't Misty also walk w/kids to a nearby relative's house?? I was thinking maybe the dog picked up the scent that way. But the dog went past the house & on to the rr, IIRC.
JMOO

[march27]

Hi! I missed the comments on Jane's show (just got home from work) but along the lines of your post, I'm wondering if other mothers of small children in the area are afraid? I don't seem to recall LE warning the public about a predator, but maybe missed it in their press conferences? :shrug:


I live in Florida (Hillsborough county though) and can tell you I purchased a gun and a dog after the Lunsford case. I think just living in Florida has many parents freaked out. What is it about this state?

[sunstar]

No one has been cleared.

Nancy just contradicted herself. She said the family has taken LDTs and passed, Misty & cousin have been cleared and also said LE hasn't cleared anyone. :confused:

[Lorakai]

Lorakai-thank you for going to the trouble of getting that info together. The wandering child is still not off the radar for me. Wonder if police are diverting attention from some things?:wink:

your very welcome :wub:

[kellabeck]

It's a shame that adults create chaos for themselves. But when they bring children into it, that's just a tragedy. Looks like Haleigh's another victim.

Broken marriages. Drug abuse. Custody battles. Arrest records. Teen live-in girlfriend. PEH!!

[summer4meplz]

.... I am going to restate what I said earlier. Maybe something scared Haleigh and she ran away from the home and then got lost which would have been earlier right after dark. Maybe she was afraid of being punished and hid somewhere. Someone could have found her and took advantage of the situation or she could have ended up in the water. I am still not convinced that she was taken.

but Junior is old enough to have said something about that...if there was a fight.....

and Haleigh might have felt very motherly towards Junior....even at that little age......little Haleigh very easily could feel protective towards her baby brother....and not run out on him.....I just can't see her leaving....alone....

[KatyDid]

Haleigh's paternal gm will be taking calls on NG tonight.

[KatyDid]

I believe that banner was in error. I think the producer messed up and meant to say Chrystal.

moo

:ohmy: OOPs...TY

[Lorakai]

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True.........also how would she have been able to carry a cinder block to the home and prop open the door. jmo

In my original post with my theory I explained the door could have been left open from earlier in the day.

[playnice]

Do we know Rons moms address? My heart just breaks for her. Id like to send her something.

[CC I See]

but Junior is old enough to have said something about that...if there was a fight.....

and Haleigh might have felt very motherly towards Junior....even at that little age......little Haleigh very easily could feel protective towards her baby brother....and not run out on him.....I just can't see her leaving....alone........unless it happened suddenly in the kitchen area and she ran outside to hide with the intention of coming back it. Also, there is family living in the area, maybe she decided to run to one of their homes and for whatever reason didn't make it there. I just think it is possible that she ran outside somewhere and maybe taken off to see her grandma or other family members and just didn't make it there.

[sunstar]

I live in Florida (Hillsborough county though) and can tell you I purchased a gun and a dog after the Lunsford case. I think just living in Florida has many parents freaked out. What is it about this state?

I was just wondering if local LE has put out any warnings with Haleigh possibly being abducted by a stranger/predator. Oh, and I don't blame you either! :smile:

[Allie B]

honestly, nancy isn't the best at stating facts.......I would believe someone on this message board over nancy any day of the week.....

Agree with you summer4meplz...NG sometimes plays fast and loose with the facts...

[playnice]

I think Jr may have been able to tell more than what is reported. Rons mom said she is worried about him and wish that had not been reported.

[sunstar]

Hi Sun, The families are afraid according to Connie. She said moms, dad, uncles, aunts are picking up there children at the bus stops with golf carts, and keeping their children close to home.

moo

thanks, friend! :smile:


Oh I guess Nancy's going to change topics now. I wish there was more news on Haleigh and that sighting yesterday in CO had turned out to be true. :sad:

[summer4meplz]

....unless it happened suddenly in the kitchen area and she ran outside to hide with the intention of coming back it. Also, there is family living in the area, maybe she decided to run to one of their homes and for whatever reason didn't make it there. I just think it is possible that she ran outside somewhere and maybe taken off to see her grandma or other family members and just didn't make it there.


whichever way it went, the poor little child must have been so terrified....unless she was knocked out.....which I guess, she would almost HAVE to be...wouldn't she?

Unless she knew the person and trusted them enough to be quiet and go with them....

[CC I See]

I think Jr may have been able to tell more than what is reported. Rons mom said she is worried about him and wish that had not been reported..... they can keep him safe by keeping strangers away, but if it is someone associated with that family then I can see the danger.

[Lorakai]

but Junior is old enough to have said something about that...if there was a fight.....

and Haleigh might have felt very motherly towards Junior....even at that little age......little Haleigh very easily could feel protective towards her baby brother....and not run out on him.....I just can't see her leaving....alone....

If there was a fight, normally in this scenario, kids in these types of households would be taught how to keep their mouth closed... especially if DCF is involved. I can almost bet my house on the fact that little jr. was desensitized to the environment and didn't talk much about anything that went on in the house. Yes, I can agree Haleigh may have felt motherly towards her brother but all the more reason to try and find help, maybe he refused to go with her?

[Lorakai]

I just started a new thread for players in the case, I've already asked CW to make it a sticky:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349589

:wub: Lorakai

[sunstar]

whichever way it went, the poor little child must have been so terrified....unless she was knocked out.....which I guess, she would almost HAVE to be...wouldn't she?

Unless she knew the person and trusted them enough to be quiet and go with them....

He must have knocked her out with something, or I'd think she'd at least be kicking him. He could've threatened to kill either her or her brother if she said anything. Or maybe she knew him. :shrug: MOO

[playnice]

My heart just aches for the families. If the little brother could help LE with a sketch like Elizabeth Smart's little sister did it might be helpful. I could understand Ron's mother saying the information might endanger her grandson's life. On the other hand it might get Haleigh back sooner if someone knew who they might be looking for.

He's awfully little but people thought the same about Elizabeth Smart's little sister and didn't believe she had seen anyone. Thought she was imagining things.

Mine does too Adalena. I dont care what they have done in the past or mistakes they have made, no one deserves to go through this.
Ive been praying for them every day, all of Haleigh's family.

[emdragon]

Mine does too Adalena. I dont care what they have done in the past or mistakes they have made, no one deserves to go through this.
Ive been praying for them every day, all of Haleigh's family.

I'm with you- I can't even imagine the pain.
And their pasts simply do not matter- crime and tragedy doesn't only happen to people with storybook lives.

[Speedy30]

My heart just aches for the families. If the little brother could help LE with a sketch like Elizabeth Smart's little sister did it might be helpful. I could understand Ron's mother saying the information might endanger her grandson's life. On the other hand it might get Haleigh back sooner if someone knew who they might be looking for.

He's awfully little but people thought the same about Elizabeth Smart's little sister and didn't believe she had seen anyone. Thought she was imagining things.


Has Rons family spoken up on the man in black, other than to say Crystal should not have told? Did they know about this encounter the boy had, or was this something new they found out via Crystal? Because if they knew along and didn't tell Crystal, thats pretty cold.

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I just started a new thread for players in the case, I've already asked CW to make it a sticky:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349589

:wub: Lorakai

Thank You!

Now -- when did Ron Jr. say a man in black took his sister?

I missed that!


Interesting info

[emdragon]

I wonder if LE told Texas Equusearch to leave because they know who has Kaleigh?

Also, the Cummings family want all the publicity and the news media to be talking about the story, but they do not want to release 1 word of info and obviously do not want LE to release 1 word of info. They can't have it both ways.

They don't want a 4 yr put in danger. Other than neighbors the public doesn't need to know what that little boy saw and has said.

[Pag Boi]

I wonder if LE told Texas Equusearch to leave because they know who has Kaleigh?

Also, the Cummings family want all the publicity and the news media to be talking about the story, but they do not want to release 1 word of info and obviously do not want LE to release 1 word of info. They can't have it both ways.


Obviously, the Cummings family has NO control over how LE conduct this investigation.

Wonder why Misty has been so loose with her lips if she is so scared of Ron and he is controlling her?

I bet she has done more interviews than Crystal. JMOO

[playnice]

Mrs. Neives did a good job tonight. I felt so sorry for her when she couldn't hold the tears back any longer.

I have a gd that just turned 4 sunday. I cant watch Mrs Neives without getting tears.

[TaraCrazyHair]

During this case, after reviewing the facts on this board, I am very surprised at all the things JVM and NG get wrong. And don't ever bother to correct.

And that is why media reporting and truth never get along

[cloe23]

I cant even reply to anyone as so many are so mean and twisted.
This about a missing child. I offically have bit my toung off to please others.
OK PPL FIGER IT OUT <<<><< I HAVE

[cloe23]

On NG tonite, Ron's mom said that LE told her today that they have a few good leads. So lets just pray. JMO

Bless u for having the nads to watch the show.
I have spent my day in silence

[Zeus]

Bless u for having the nads to watch the show.
I have spent my day in silence

Come on Cloe---let 'er rip. I want to hear what you have to say.

[Politigal]

Does anyone know where Haleigh's bus stop actually was? I've read where the bus didn't stop on Green near her home....but did it stop at the corner of Monroe & Tyler or where?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Part of the problem is the accessability of the families living in tents and being open to any media that comes along. We are on week 3, and is there one good reason why they are still camping out?

moo

I was wondering that myself ... you would have thought the house would have been released back to them after almost 3 weeks

And why has nobody offered to put them up in a hotel? Or were they offered and they declined?

[4Kids]

The Generosity of Strangers

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132090&catid=3

Thanks for this, Swaro...great story.

[cloe23]

Come on Cloe---let 'er rip. I want to hear what you have to say.

No way no how i am done. no ripping.

[4Kids]

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I dont think she meant that there was an actual hole in th floor. NG asked her why LE was still holding the mobile home and Mrs. Neives was using a "for example" theory..........as if to say "IF" there was a hole in the floor...........then it would be too late to go back and look.
something to that affect. JMO

Anyone have a transcript of the show yet? Thanks. BTW...Hello all you latenighters....the best posters on the boards!!!

[cloe23]

Come on posters help us clueless ppl out?

[Motomom]

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10

Wonder why Crystal wasn't available for comment. Also wondering if the family is that scared, that they were doing some damage control. They did not want this information released it sounds like. Does LE feel the same way?

[?noanswer]

The chatter around the web tonight is Mrs. Neives mentioning a hole in the floor and that's how the abductor got in. Did anyone else catch that? I we going to start getting theories from the families now?

moo

What I remember is that NG asked her why LE had not released the trailer back to the family. Mrs. Neives gave an example that if someone remembered there was a hole in the floor, then if the family was back in the trailer and they found a hole in the floor, the evidence would be compromised and could not be used. She did not say there was a hole in the floor. JMO

[Zeus]

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I dont think she meant that there was an actual hole in th floor. NG asked her why LE was still holding the mobile home and Mrs. Neives was using a "for example" theory..........as if to say "IF" there was a hole in the floor...........then it would be too late to go back and look.
something to that affect. JMO

That's the way I understood it too, Bubbles.

[Mamie]

I truly hope that Haleigh is brought home safely and soon to all her family. Poor little dear one.

I'm watching the first part of NG now because I forgot to tape ANYTHING TODAY!

So on a different note, what has Marc Klaas got going on with that hair???? JMO

[Motomom]

Watching Nancy now. I like Ron's mother, she seems very genuine. The hole story was a for instance.. just explaining how it's better for the police to go in and get more evidence if need be.

[iluvmua]

Why would Haleigh's family deny that there might have been somone in the house that abducted Haleigh?

Do they not want to believe that she very possibly got kidnapped?

[cloe23]

What I remember is that NG asked her why LE had not released the trailer back to the family. Mrs. Neives gave an example that if someone remembered there was a hole in the floor, then if the family was back in the trailer and they found a hole in the floor, the evidence would be compromised and could not be used. She did not say there was a hole in the floor. JMO

Oh so what a TH, NG said is fact?:cursing:

[forensicfan]

I found the answer (in case anyone else thought of this and was wondering), a deadbolt lock cannot be picked. I don't know what the lock looked like but they said it was a deadbolt so I am under the impression it was a circular deadbolt.

http://www.answerbag.com/articles/About-Rim-Deadbolt-Locks/13a9b5c1-35cb-b242-1707-982835bb17fc

Someone else also brought up something I had thought of myself which is, could an intruder have entered through a window. The likelihood that person would take the time to shut the window yet leave the door propped open is probably nill but it's a thought.

[Mamie]

What I remember is that NG asked her why LE had not released the trailer back to the family. Mrs. Neives gave an example that if someone remembered there was a hole in the floor, then if the family was back in the trailer and they found a hole in the floor, the evidence would be compromised and could not be used. She did not say there was a hole in the floor. JMO

Exactly right. Operative word: EXAMPLE.

[4Kids]

Why would Haleigh's family deny that there might have been somone in the house that abducted Haleigh?

Do they not want to believe that she very possibly got kidnapped?

Perhaps it was information that both LE and others thought best kept to themselves. I get the impression that LE interviewed the child. If they wanted the "man in black' theory released, I would assume they would have done so at one of the pressers. Just a thought. MOO

[playnice]

Wonder why Crystal wasn't available for comment. Also wondering if the family is that scared, that they were doing some damage control. They did not want this information released it sounds like. Does LE feel the same way?


I get the feeling that information was supposed to NOT be released.

[forensicfan]

Watching Nancy now. I like Ron's mother, she seems very genuine. The hole story was a for instance.. just explaining how it's better for the police to go in and get more evidence if need be.

I missed the 7 PM show (here it is on at 7 PM, 9 PM & 12 AM). The second airing is half over now and I'm not sure I want to stay up to watch the third.

Was there anything new mentioned?

[forensicfan]

Perhaps it was information that both LE and others thought best kept to themselves. I get the impression that LE interviewed the child. If they wanted the "man in black' theory released, I would assume they would have done so at one of the pressers. Just a thought. MOO

They did mention at a press conference today that they interviewed Jr but they did not reveal any outcome.

[4Kids]

I get the feeling that information was supposed to NOT be released.

Ditto. Among other things.

[Zeus]

I get the feeling that information was supposed to NOT be released.

I get the same feeling. I also get the feeling since Crystal couldn't be reached for a comment, she's been told to zip it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

No hole in floor, Ron's Mom just used that as an example for why LE was still keeping the home.

JMO

How common is it for LE to keep the family out of the home for that long?

Seems most homes are unsecured after a couple days

is this the norm in Florida?

[Motomom]

Why would Haleigh's family deny that there might have been somone in the house that abducted Haleigh?

Do they not want to believe that she very possibly got kidnapped?

THey are not happy that the information was released and feel that Junior is in danger at this point..that's my take anyway. We shouldn't have known that a man dressed in black went into that house IMO.

[4Kids]

What I don't get is Haleigh's mother said Jr. told it to her. Then in this linked article a grandmother on the other side nixed the story. How does she know what Jr. says to his mother? Then she says if Jr. would have woke up he wouldn't have let anyone take his sister. Reminds me when Andrea Yates drowned her children people were asking; why didn't they stop her? sheesh. What's not-quite-4 yr old Jr going to do against an armed intruder?

Maybe they're just trying to deny it to the public or it truely is a hatfield's v. mccoy's scenario with these families. Trying to deny each other's statements to press. yikes

Hi Adalena...I took the quote from grandmother to mean that the professionals who interviewed Ron Jr. indicated that he kept changing his story. I really think this info was not to be released, but it is simply my opinion. I wonder what LE thought of the NG and Geraldo show. Having some experience there....I bet they were PO'ed.

[playnice]

May be true but I don't see how lying to the public is going to help find Haleigh. If the Cummings family knows who took the child and a description why hide it or lie about it - while asking the public for help finding her? makes no sense. Besides, maybe the Cummings failed to tell Crystal. I don't think they communicate very well. Maybe they should start trying for sake of finding Haleigh.

Maybe they have a perp in mind but not enough evidence to move in yet and dont want to tip him/her off?

[TaraCrazyHair]

THey are not happy that the information was released and feel that Junior is in danger at this point..that's my take anyway. We shouldn't have known that a man dressed in black went into that house IMO.

How would a four year old know it was a "man" in black?

[Spry]

Yes, you are correct.

He was at work in order to support her/send her to school/take her to the doctor/etc.

That bad man for being at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, Peaches, wasn't Ron told that if Haleigh missed any more school he would have to deal with the authorities? I'm not bashing Ron or Crystal, but Haleigh did miss a lot school under his watch--and a lot of doctor's appointments under Crystal's watch.

Just curious...

[playnice]

I don't know how common it is to secure a home for this length of time. I've tried to remember another case where that happened, but can't think of one offhand.

Someone mentioned a case the other night but I forgot what case.

[Motomom]

I missed the 7 PM show (here it is on at 7 PM, 9 PM & 12 AM). The second airing is half over now and I'm not sure I want to stay up to watch the third.

Was there anything new mentioned?

I'm :blushing:to say I half listen sometimes. I tend to forget I'm watching nancy when I'm online and wonder LOL. Now they are onto the Anthony case. Ron's mother was on and said that Ron doesn't want to leave there, so they are staying in the tent with him. She said how Haleigh was full of smiles and laughs and something about how hard it would be to be in the house without her filling it with joy. My words..not verbatim. She seems like a very down to earth person, very genuine and she is hurting so much that Haleigh is not there.. you can see it all over her.

I pray they find this sweet little girl.

[cloe23]

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What ya need, Cloe.

transcript's and video

[4Kids]

May be true but I don't see how lying to the public is going to help find Haleigh. If the Cummings family knows who took the child and a description why hide it or lie about it - while asking the public for help finding her? makes no sense. Besides, maybe the Cummings failed to tell Crystal. I don't think they communicate very well. Maybe they should start trying for sake of finding Haleigh.

I don't think it was the Cummings family that did not want this released. I beleive it was LE. Oftetimes, certain facts are kept from the public while an investigation is ongoing. I would not call that lying to the public...simply good police work. I also bet the Cummings may be taking advice from LE to say little. LE is saying very little. My take may be completely wrong, but that is how I am seeing it. MOO.

[Spry]

Voice, appearance. I don't think it's unusual for a child that age to know a man from a woman when he sees one.

But a half-asleep child, seeing something in the dark...it is possible that he only saw a sillouette, shadow or imagined shape. imo

Then again, it was reported that the police are being very quiet about the little boy's observations. Maybe there is something to what he says.

[4Kids]

But, Peaches, wasn't Ron told that if Haleigh missed any more school he would have to deal with the authorities? I'm not bashing Ron or Crystal, but Haleigh did miss a lot school under his watch--and a lot of doctor's appointments under Crystal's watch.

Just curious...

Was this statement Ron made? Or was this from one of Crystals interviews. I haven't been able to source the statement. Thanks for any info.

[tinkerbell]

It doesn't seem realistic for them to camp in tents indefinitely. I don't see how that finds Haleigh faster anyway. She could be anywhere by now. I hate to be so blunt but it's the truth.

I thought both familys have relatives in the area. I wonder why they don't stay with them. I remember Natalee Holoway's mother saying she wasn't going to leave aruba until she found natalee. Not comparing humans to dogs but I lost a dog once and nearly lost my mind. Years after he had to have been dead of old age it still haunted me. Can't imagine losing a child. Come home baby girl.

For Haleigh's family members (IMHO); times are desperate and they are taking desperate measures. IMHO, it's nearly impossible to apply rational thinking to the thoughts and actions of distraught family members.

[4Kids]

I agree with you, but in a way I think LE sometimes takes advantage of the fact that no one has lawyered up yet, leaving both sides pretty vulnerable and in the dark. imo.

Yes. Advantage will be taken. But hopefully, that will be be less worrisome when the case is solved. I feel very badly for these folks. moo

[Motomom]

How would a four year old know it was a "man" in black?

4 yr olds aren't dumb..and no I know you didn't say that, or insinuate that. Just saying, they are smarter than the average bear IMO. If the person didn't have a hood on..even if they did.. I think that women tend to have a softer feeling about them then men.. kids pick up on that stuff.. I mean there are a ton of reasons why he would say man IMO. If he saw them, or if he heard his voice.. or he could be confused and be associating police with strange men.. I think that's possible too.

[playnice]

But a half-asleep child, seeing something in the dark...it is possible that he only saw a sillouette, shadow or imagined shape. imo

Then again, it was reported that the police are being very quiet about the little boy's observations. Maybe there is something to what he says.

I wonder if there was a night light in the room? If so JR may have been able to tell if it were a man or woman. My 4 yr old gd would tell you if she saw something. she is a talker. Oh course they wouldnt be able to give much description. At that age everyone over 3 ft is big.

[Motomom]

I don't think it was the Cummings family that did not want this released. I beleive it was LE. Oftetimes, certain facts are kept from the public while an investigation is ongoing. I would not call that lying to the public...simply good police work. I also bet the Cummings may be taking advice from LE to say little. LE is saying very little. My take may be completely wrong, but that is how I am seeing it. MOO.

Even though LE won't release certain information to the public, would they share it with the family?

[cloe23]

Nope I don't think this is normal, LE doesn't know what they are looking for yet, there might be something in that home that could be evidence and they don't know it yet.

JMO

Oh MrLucky917 I got your number. FACT
Rather feel dumb or cluless???

[tinkerbell]

Even though LE won't release certain information to the public, would they share it with the family?

I believe that LE will remain very tight lipped; even with the family.

[4Kids]

For Haleigh's family members (IMHO); times are desperate and they are taking desperate measures. IMHO, it's nearly impossible to apply rational thinking to the thoughts and actions of distraught family members.

Tinkerbell...your post is right on. I sat down last night and tried to remember the worst day of my life. I remebered. Then I realized that I would have made that day much less worse if I was more rational. This is clearly the worst time of Ron, Crystal, Misty and extended familes lives. I think Ron is very close of tipping over the edge, out of all the family members. Very close. MOO

[Rick777]

Even if a person was dressed in all white, it would still appear to be a "man in black" according to a child in the dark. I think the man in black doesn't tell alot.

[playnice]

I believe that LE will remain very tight lipped; even with the family.


I agree. alot of families have said before that the first they are hearing things are in the media.

They probably dont want to get false hope up, disappoint them or take a chance of someone taking matters in their own hands.

[tinkerbell]

My grandaughter too. About seeing things in the dark. I've had intruders and no nightlites. When you're asleep your eyes adjust to the dark. So when you open your eyes you can see better than you might otherwise imagine.

I agree and also, if the kitchen light was on, there may have been even more light.

[4Kids]

Even though LE won't release certain information to the public, would they share it with the family?

I would think they would share info with family only if it will help the case. Otherwise, the person in charge of the investigation gets to decide what to release to whom and when, unless it is to someone superior to them, or for purposes of following the law (Sunshine Rules, FOI Act); MOO

[playnice]

My grandaughter too. About seeing things in the dark. I've had intruders and no nightlites. When you're asleep your eyes adjust to the dark. So when you open your eyes you can see better than you might otherwise imagine.

I have 3 night lights on so I can see to get through the house without turning lights on if the dog barks like he has heard something.
Maybe thats not a good idea because someone could also see to get through the house.:glare:

[bluwaters]

Hello everyone -
Long day and am just reading to catch.
It just hit me -


Man in Black

:ohmy:

Lenny did it! :chicken:


but, on a serious note,
I am so sad that Haleigh has still not been found.
Now I tell myself that LE knows who and how, just not where
Haleigh has been taken.

So many theories have been posted here and more than one could fit the facts that we know.

Maybe tomorrow will be the day that Haleigh comes home.

Where is Haleigh?

[4Kids]

The man in black was in the media, days before Crystal spoke of it.

moo

With no comment from LE or the Cummings.

[Speedy30]

Even if a person was dressed in all white, it would still appear to be a "man in black" according to a child in the dark. I think the man in black doesn't tell alot.

I just want to know if the son told Ron this info. And if he did, did Ron report it? And if Ron reported it, wouldn't the cops tell Crystal about that?

[playnice]

Hello everyone -
Long day and am just reading to catch.
It just hit me -


Man in Black

:ohmy:

Lenny did it! :chicken:


but, on a serious note,
I am so sad that Haleigh has still not been found.
Now I tell myself that LE knows who and how, just not where
Haleigh has been taken.

So many theories have been posted here and more than one could fit the facts that we know.

Maybe tomorrow will be the day that Haleigh comes home.

Where is Haleigh?


OMG. They dont want it released he has a toothpick.:lol:

[tinkerbell]

Hi bluwaters!

[4Kids]

I just want to know if the son told Ron this info. And if he did, did Ron report it? And if Ron reported it, wouldn't the cops tell Crystal about that?

Most times, the professionals advise the parents/caretakers NOT to discuss these things with children after a traumatic event. LE would have told them that early on, so that the mental health pros could get info wihtout being clouded by conversations and/or questions from distraught parents or caretakers or parents who may be trying to cover their own tracks by feeding a child a story. MOO.

[playnice]

Most times, the professionals tell the parents are told NOT to discuss these things with children. LE would have told them that early on, so that the mental health pros could get info wihtout being clouded by conversations and/or questions from distraught parents or caretakers. MOO.

You are correct.

[cloe23]

PPL get it in to your head!!!!
This is not a family job.

[playnice]

Even if Ron is an informant for the police. Why did the police not deny it? By no comment, that makes me even think that Ron may be an informant. So, to me the police has also put this complete family in danger, even if Ron is NOT an informant.

I just don't know why the police would not say NO - In my opinion they should have denied it.

This bunch are so tightlipped about everything. I suppose thats good to not tip their hand, bad for us.

[bluwaters]

PPL get it in to your head!!!!
This is not a family job.

Come on cloe - spill!
Please?
You know you want to...:smile:

[cloe23]

Go a link that it wasn't?


If I did you are the last one I would share with...............

[bluwaters]

If Junior saw the face of the man in black, or was it covered.

or did he have a toothpick?

OK - Time for me to stop.
I am getting punchy.

I am also grumpy cause cloe has something and won't share. :glare:

cloe - what would it take to get you to tell your secret?
Hmmmm?

[ConchGirl]

Hello everyone -
Long day and am just reading to catch.
It just hit me -


Man in Black

:ohmy:

Lenny did it! :chicken:


but, on a serious note,
I am so sad that Haleigh has still not been found.
Now I tell myself that LE knows who and how, just not where
Haleigh has been taken.

So many theories have been posted here and more than one could fit the facts that we know.

Maybe tomorrow will be the day that Haleigh comes home.

Where is Haleigh?

LOL Great Sleuthing on the Lenny theory. I think we should start the threads with number of days missing like we did with Caylee as sad as that sounds. jmo

[Mayasmimi]

I believe that LE will remain very tight lipped; even with the family.

Any time we hear from paternal grandmother.....she says she doesn't know anything until the media tells her (the family). Speaks to me.

[bluwaters]

Adalena -
I am never going to sleep again.
What a scary story.
That isn't your only experience with an intruder?
I have had 2 break-ins, but no one was home either time.

[4Kids]

Even if Ron is an informant for the police. Why did the police not deny it? By no comment, that makes me even think that Ron may be an informant. So, to me the police has also put this complete family in danger, even if Ron is NOT an informant.

I just don't know why the police would not say NO - In my opinion they should have denied it.

Ron doesn't seem to be alarmed about being thought of as an informant. he is living in a tent. Not much secutity there. I don't believe he is a dealer. If he is, he is doing a very poor job of it. Not much bling, a trailer home etc. Not living the lavish life of a true dealer. Certainly not someone normal LE would worry about much. At best a petty dealer so not much of an informant. Has he had any arrests/convictions in the last two years? I didn't note any. moo.

[Mayasmimi]

With no comment from LE or the Cummings.

Exactly. Thank you. Thought I may have missed something, working and all. Was news to me yesterday. Wonder if the stress has caused all of this infighting amongst extended family. I know for a fact with a natural death in my immediate family, stress caused some of them to make up theories. It was a natural death....and I MISS HER SO MUCH.

I'm not buying anything any of them say, but have some faith in Dad and his Mom. Just saying.

[Themis]

I was ignored once for asking this, well twice ....... again when I asked how they knew for sure which door was the one entered, but does anyone thing hypnotizing Ronald Jr. and Misty might be beneficial? Or is there some regulation about hypnotizing children under a certain age? I was just thinking, if he believes he saw a figure, maybe something more is in his subconcious that might be able to be brought out. jmo.
Re hypnotizing Misty. If Florida is like my state (and many others) her having undergone hypnosis would then preclude her from testifying as a witness in a criminal case.

I have no comment re Junior. [JMO]

[emdragon]

Someone mentioned a case the other night but I forgot what case.

I was close to a local case of the "homicide by abuse" of a 2 yr the boy died April 24th and they held the house until after the trial in September.

[ConchGirl]

It would depend on things such as moonlight coming in the window and where the illiminating moon was in relation to the intruder I think.

When I tell people I've had intruders in the night one of the common questions is how did I see in the dark. It's not like coming from bright sunlight into a dark theatre. When you've been asleep your eyes are closed & the room's dark and your eyes are already accustomed to the dark. When you open them any light at all even the faintist shows up more than you might imagine. When you open your eyes from dark (asleep in the night in a dark room), you GAIN light, not lose it.

It's amazing how casual intruders come to a burglary. My first burglar was wearing shorts. barefoot. bare chest and tan shorts. Kinda camel colored. Big machete just calmly down by his side. Real quiet. My husband was home on leave from Army and we were borrowing a friends apt for the weekend. There was almost no light at all in the bedroom. Great big Samoan looking fellow. Never said a word. As luck would have it there was two swords crossed in an X above the bed for decoration. I jumped up and grabbed one to arm myself and he just turned slowly and walked away. I remember how wide he was and his bare feet with no sound going away. He never turned around. I was glad. We never spoke. He was high probably on heroin. His eyes were glassy. My husband's pants were draped over a chair by the bed. He was reaching for hubby's wallet in back pocket when I happened to wake up when I went to turn over in bed. I remember every detail like it was yesterday.

You can see in the dark when you've been asleep. Jr would know the difference between black and white in the dark. You could tell the dif between navy blue and black in that situation. An adult would.

Do a test sometime. Get up in the night and don't turn on any lights and see what you can see in your home. You'll be able to walk around without bumping into anything. You'll be able to see quite a lot of detail.

We were robbed when we lived in Ft. Pierce years ago. The thief entered our home through a glass sliding door and removed our stereo, tv, my purse and hubby's wallet while we were sleeping. We had no idea we were robbed until the police called at 7:00 a.m. and had my purse and DH's wallet that was found in a dumpster at a shopping center minus cash of course. We never heard a thing. Because of that experience I believe that an intruder can enter a home without waking you up. Granted the thief did not enter the bedrooms. It's still frightening to this day knowing that the kids could have been taken as well. That's when we got our first dog. :biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

I was ignored once for asking this, well twice ....... again when I asked how they knew for sure which door was the one entered, but does anyone thing hypnotizing Ronald Jr. and Misty might be beneficial? Or is there some regulation about hypnotizing children under a certain age? I was just thinking, if he believes he saw a figure, maybe something more is in his subconcious that might be able to be brought out. jmo.

I imagine the front door was still locked.

[4Kids]

Mrs. Neives did tell Nancy tonight that a member of LE stopped by to reassure them that even though the ground searches have ceased they still are actively working the case. Mrs. Neives seemed pleased to hear that.

SOP when a good team of LE is running the case. Keep the family informed of where things stand, but don't discuss facts, etc unless the purpose is to get information. The folks running this show sound like good folks with a old school style of investigation. I think that will be very good for the outcome, whatever that may be. MOO.

[Motomom]

I was ignored once for asking this, well twice ....... again when I asked how they knew for sure which door was the one entered, but does anyone thing hypnotizing Ronald Jr. and Misty might be beneficial? Or is there some regulation about hypnotizing children under a certain age? I was just thinking, if he believes he saw a figure, maybe something more is in his subconcious that might be able to be brought out. jmo.


Rhiannon, I don't think anything is known for sure. Le has not stated, to my knowledge. They are not leaking information at this point, or outright telling anything either. I doubt hypnotizing would be in the best interest of junior, but an interesting thought none the less. I don't know about misty..and before I forget, I posted a while ago about my 10 yr old who caught on to Misty using a word in the past tense. She says to me again today and tonight when she saw the case on tv.. "mom, that girlfriend knows something, the police need to talk to her... I asked her why she thought that, or what she thought she did and she said that "I don't think she killed her or took her, but I think she knows who did". My sleuthing daughter, if I didn't know any better I'd swear she was reading these boards.. really. It's interesting to me, that she would pick up on something like that at 10.. anyways.

[Mayasmimi]

Thinking I'm the lone soul who is not buying into the "man in black" theory. Can anyone help me understand? TIA.

[Motomom]

Exactly. Thank you. Thought I may have missed something, working and all. Was news to me yesterday. Wonder if the stress has caused all of this infighting amongst extended family. I know for a fact with a natural death in my immediate family, stress caused some of them to make up theories. It was a natural death....and I MISS HER SO MUCH.

I'm not buying anything any of them say, but have some faith in Dad and his Mom. Just saying.

Very true Maya. Sorry for you loss.. Ron's mom gives me a very warm feeling.

[Mayasmimi]

Rhiannon, I don't think anything is known for sure. Le has not stated, to my knowledge. They are not leaking information at this point, or outright telling anything either. I doubt hypnotizing would be in the best interest of junior, but an interesting thought none the less. I don't know about misty..and before I forget, I posted a while ago about my 10 yr old who caught on to Misty using a word in the past tense. She says to me again today and tonight when she saw the case on tv.. "mom, that girlfriend knows something, the police need to talk to her... I asked her why she thought that, or what she thought she did and she said that "I don't think she killed her or took her, but I think she knows who did". My sleuthing daughter, if I didn't know any better I'd swear she was reading these boards.. really. It's interesting to me, that she would pick up on something like that at 10.. anyways.

Kids are amazing. They see things more true than jaded, grown people do. Simplisity. Bet she's the most amazing little 10 year old baby girl ever.

[playnice]

Very true Maya. Sorry for you loss.. Ron's mom gives me a very warm feeling.

She makes me cry. I wish I could hug her.

[Motomom]

Re hypnotizing Misty. If Florida is like my state (and many others) her having undergone hypnosis would then preclude her from testifying as a witness in a criminal case.

I have no comment re Junior. [JMO]

Really? That's interesting. Why is it that they can't testify? I guess that's a dumb question, I suppose because memories or thoughts could be planted? I mean, if hypnotism was done in a secure setting, why not let them testify?

[Mayasmimi]

Very true Maya. Sorry for you loss.. Ron's mom gives me a very warm feeling.


Thanks so much. It hurts to watch Ron's Mom. She seems to be the most genuine of all.

[Mayasmimi]

I can't help you, because quite frankly I don't believe there ever was a man in black, jmo.

A poster gave a link tonight (forgot who, sorry) that gives better insight into Jr.'s descriptions. http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx

Yup. Neither do I. I bet LE knows exactly what happened, and they are just putting their case together. I so hope Ron is not involved. His Mother's grief almost brings me to my knees. I feel for Ms. Neves.

Where the heck is this little girl??????????????????

[Motomom]

Geraldo put a target on this WHOLE families back with that "are you an informant?" question.
Geraldo may as well have tattooed RAT on Ron's forehead.

If Ron is an informant and bought drugs from dealers with LE money....and then rated the dealers out.... wouldn't his identity as an informant be protected?

I pray this man was/is not an informant. This could be a whole new ballgame if it's true, thanks to an idiot reporter..

Unreal!

Kathy.. I'm torn about the informant thing. If he's an informant, he should be clean of drugs IMO..so that would hopefully cut out the accusations of him and drugs at this point IMO.. yet being an informant, regardless of his motive (someone posted an informative link earlier about informants too) he has essentionally put his family in danger.. yet people take risks like this every day I would imagine. If he's an informant, he's doing good for others...helping get dealers off the streets, but paying the ultimate price at this time. I don't know.. I don't think he is one, but I won't lie and say that I don't believe it's possible at this point. I don't think dealers would take Haleigh, but I would feel slightly better (this almost sounds sick I know) if a dealer had her..then a sex offender.. because she may have a better chance of coming home.. I still feel like she's alive.

[Snowball58]

Hi all,

Just playing catch up tonight, but was giving DH a brief overview of the case and mentioned that there were allegations that Ron was a drug user. The first thing DH said (I can't believe it didn't occur to me) is that maybe Haleigh got into the drugs accidentally. Then I remembered someone mentioning Ron maybe using morphine suckers (was it Crystal who said that)? Those would be appealing to a child and would look like a lollipop, right?

This is based on nothing but speculation, but I just wonder if perhaps Misty or Ron left something like that out and Haleigh got into them and died accidentally, then Misty and Ron panicked and decided to cover it up. Their grief would certainly be real and it explains why we get the feeling they are hiding something, why Misty looks terrified and spaced out (shock, fear, guilt), and why at times Ron's grief is real and at other times it seems fake. It explains why the scene at the house seems staged (to me at least) and why they can't seem keep the story straight (because it's not true).

Anyway, off to catch up on today's thread now. That's my theory for the day, though I would much prefer to believe that she's still out there safe somewhere.

[4Kids]

I can't help you, because quite frankly I don't believe there ever was a man in black, jmo.

A poster gave a link tonight (forgot who, sorry) that gives better insight into Jr.'s descriptions. http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx


Outside looking in is not fun. I am not sure about the theory either. Not really sure about several things. I have my suspicions, but they are just that. I think Ron Jr. said many things to mental health, this being just one of them. I doubt the Cummings know what they are, let alone Crystal. You two are not alone. This theory is one small piece of a much longer conversation. MOO

[msgatorslayer]

I can't help you, because quite frankly I don't believe there ever was a man in black, jmo.

A poster gave a link tonight (forgot who, sorry) that gives better insight into Jr.'s descriptions. http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx

Thanks for that link. That makes sense. Lil Jr. is probably wanting to help find his Sissy and saying things, thinking that it will help.

I wasn't buying into the 'man in black' story, hook, line, and sinker. Because I didn't feel that LE was taking it that serious.

If Jr. really seen someone in the house that night, LE would be yelling it from the rooftops. That they have a witness. They'd fully clear Misti, if not Ron as well. And work hard trying to figure out who the man was.

[playnice]

Well maybe tomorrow will bring the break they need in this case.

[msgatorslayer]

Ron said Misty had it open and was standing in the open doorway when he drove up. So there again it's their word alone and LE needs evidence beyond just what they say.

They talked about polygraphing them again. I can't believe the number of times they speak of polygraphing the people in this case. Mostly Ron, Misty and Crystal's boyfriend. or so tv news has said.

How about a stress test to change things around a bit?:tongueside:

[Mayasmimi]

I don't think it's very likely. Poor little boy.

Do you worry that this little boy has already been scared beyond belief? Sissy is gone....Dad, Mom, Misty......the entire family freaking out. Cameras everywhere. Can't go to his home, most likely the only home he remembers, guess he was living in the tent (though wonder why Ron's Mom didn't have him).....then goes to visit Mom (scheduled visitation).....and now "man in black"? This baby boy has been through so much. My heart aches for him. So sweet.

Where is Haleigh??????????????????????

[4Kids]

Exactly. Thank you. Thought I may have missed something, working and all. Was news to me yesterday. Wonder if the stress has caused all of this infighting amongst extended family. I know for a fact with a natural death in my immediate family, stress caused some of them to make up theories. It was a natural death....and I MISS HER SO MUCH.

I'm not buying anything any of them say, but have some faith in Dad and his Mom. Just saying.

Hi Mayasmimi. I am so very sorry for the loss in you family. I too have experienced bizarre behavior from family after a death. Accusations, bitterness...and this is family that loves each other. I have also seen grief tear families apart permanently, whether the death was of natural causes or not. Again...very sorry for your pain. MOO

[Mayasmimi]

Kathy.. I'm torn about the informant thing. If he's an informant, he should be clean of drugs IMO..so that would hopefully cut out the accusations of him and drugs at this point IMO.. yet being an informant, regardless of his motive (someone posted an informative link earlier about informants too) he has essentionally put his family in danger.. yet people take risks like this every day I would imagine. If he's an informant, he's doing good for others...helping get dealers off the streets, but paying the ultimate price at this time. I don't know.. I don't think he is one, but I won't lie and say that I don't believe it's possible at this point. I don't think dealers would take Haleigh, but I would feel slightly better (this almost sounds sick I know) if a dealer had her..then a sex offender.. because she may have a better chance of coming home.. I still feel like she's alive.

I'm sure your heart is in the right place. I completely doubt it. Not a chance that a local, small town drug dealer took Haleigh? IMO. Seriously, how often does that happen? I want to believe she is alive and well. IMO....someone close knows exactly what happened to Haleigh. Just a matter of time.

[CC I See]

Well, I guess that Psychic from last night's discussion was wrong when he said that Haleigh was taken by someone who took something from the trailer and when Misty went to get it back he sneaked in and took Haleigh. He also said that Haleigh was still alive and would be returned on Feb 24...... guess he was wrong about the date :glare:

[4Kids]

Court documents with Crystal Sheffield's father saying he witnessed Ron giving Haleigh beer and drugs. Good theory. I think that's a possibility. Scene seemed staged to me too. If she died accidentally and he & g/f covered it up yes the tears would be real enough I think. Also most people in that situation wouldn't want to be found out and might cry for their own selves. Many a killer has. Not saying it's true. Just a theory. But here's court documents from 2006 saying it's possible, if true.


http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Too bad the Respondent didn't show up. Apparently, the judge had reason to doubt the affidavit. I am not sure why. MOO

[msgatorslayer]

You mean put them on a treadmill and run it mach-5, then ask them questions?

No, ask them questions while hooked to a voice, stress test which detects lying.

[Mayasmimi]

Hi Mayasmimi. I am so very sorry for the loss in you family. I too have experienced bizarre behavior from family after a death. Accusations, bitterness...and this is family that loves each other. I have also seen grief tear families apart permanently, whether the death was of natural causes or not. Again...very sorry for your pain. MOO


Thank you. As in your case, same in mine. Bizarre. So very sad.

[Mayasmimi]

Oh I see. Maybe they've done that or plan to. Why not use every tool available would be my stance. I'm sure the FBI has lots of tools at their disposal and won't hesitate to use them. Maybe have already.

Crystal Sheffield today told Nancy Grace they told her the polygraphs go back to be checked by experts. my words. probably quantico

I know they are working hard to find this little girl and will leave no stone unturned.

Not nit picking, but Crystal said that on NG yesterday. Replayed tonight. Maybe just one day closer. Sorry.....Nancy Grace freak, up all over here.

[Motomom]

Too bad the Respondent didn't show up. Apparently, the judge had reason to doubt the affidavit. I am not sure why. MOO

And no where in those documents does it say that Ron GAVE haleigh drugs and beer. pg 11 line 16 Over the phone, I hear Ronald encouraging Haleigh to say "drink a beer" "chase a w***e" "roll a blunt". This coming from Crystals father. Not GAVE haleigh drugs. He had an agenda too, he wanted his daughter to have the kids.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Mayasmimi]

I think there would be no value whatsoever in trying to probe Ronald Jr's memory. Having 3 kids myself, I think he either has seen something or he has completely created this memory in his own mind, and you will never know which is which by probing further into his memory. He is 100% suggestable.

His memory about a man dressed in black is not useful at all. Anyone appearing in the bedroom in the pitch black of night would appear to be dressed in black, and also, his imagination would dress an intruder in black.


Very true. Mom myself. The things my kids have come up with that are so not true. Geesh. One thing about kids of his age....suggestion is huge. I can't believe that LE didn't question him (in the kindest of ways, with child behaviour experts present) before he visited bio mom last weekend. Suddenly, we have a Man in Black took Sissy. Sorry.....I am just not buying it.

[4Kids]

Very true. Mom myself. The things my kids have come up with that are so not true. Geesh. One thing about kids of his age....suggestion is huge. I can't believe that LE didn question him (in the kindest of ways) before he visited bio mom. Suddenly, we have a Man in Black took sissy. Sorry.....I am just not buying it.

I believe LE did have a team of mental health official question the child. I will try and find the link. MOO

[Themis]

Oh I see. Maybe they've done that or plan to. Why not use every tool available would be my stance. I'm sure the FBI has lots of tools at their disposal and won't hesitate to use them. Maybe have already.

Crystal Sheffield today told Nancy Grace they told her the polygraphs go back to be checked by experts. my words. probably quantico

I know they are working hard to find this little girl and will leave no stone unturned.
But isn't the person giving the polygraph an expert in analysis as well?

I find it hard to accept that all the polygraphs that are given throughout the entire country are then shipped off elsewhere; i.e, Quantico, for an 'expert to check.' That just doesn't ring true. [JMO]

[Motomom]

Very true. Mom myself. The things my kids have come up with that are so not true. Geesh. One thing about kids of his age....suggestion is huge. I can't believe that LE didn question him (in the kindest of ways) before he visited bio mom. Suddenly, we have a Man in Black took sissy. Sorry.....I am just not buying it.

I think they did question him before she got to him. A link was posted earlier with the great grandmother..sykes. I believe she said that 3 professionals questioned him..iirc. It's on the last two/three pages the article. Sounded like she was denying that junior said that.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he did see someone, or that he said it... "mommy's in the rug'.. those words from little Blake about his mother, jessie Davis will haunt anyone who followed the case Imo. I believe he was 2 at the time.. well almost 3.. junior was 4.. he turned four the weekend after Haleigh was kidnapped IIRC.

[CC I See]

Is it just me that thinks this? Nancy Grace seems to be acting really strange with this whole missing Haleigh case. She does fine on the Caylee Anthony case, I think but with this one she seems to be a little off and not on the mark with correct information and correct responses to the people she has as guests. It is almost like she doesn't want to discuss it at all.... I do feel that she wants to find Haleigh but maybe one more missing little girl is pushing her past the point where the pain is just too much for her. I know that it must affect her emotionally.... especially having small children herself.

[Motomom]

But isn't the person giving the polygraph an expert in analysis as well?

I find it hard to accept that all the polygraphs that are given throughout the entire country are then shipped off elsewhere; i.e, Quantico, for an 'expert to check.' That just doesn't ring true. [JMO]

I would think that the examiner is the one who determines if someone passed or failed. Sounds like they don't want the results of any of the polygraphs released. I don't know much about polygraphs though.. i just remember hearing that the examiner watches their body language as well as the machine.

[Mayasmimi]

Well, we will tie our "lone souls" together and make a mighty raft of I DON'T THINK SO!

Sounds to me like the little guy has been coached. And why now all of a sudden does this "man in black" come up?

I wish I could help you understand but that would mean that I understand and I don't either...:crying:

It's a raft....LOL!

I am so happy to find reasonable people. Thank you!!!!!

You cannot help me because...............it's a fairy tale. Why would bio Mom make that up? Unfreakingbelieavable!!!!!!!!!!!

[Themis]

Very true. Mom myself. The things my kids have come up with that are so not true. Geesh. One thing about kids of his age....suggestion is huge. I can't believe that LE didn't question him (in the kindest of ways, with child behaviour experts present) before he visited bio mom last weekend. Suddenly, we have a Man in Black took Sissy. Sorry.....I am just not buying it.
I tend to agree with you.

Sounds like disinformation being spread to further dilute and confuse those that need the facts -- LE. The more time LE is chasing their tails and expending huge amounts of manpower and funds the better it is for those who are culpable.

I think there's a lot of that going around.:wink: [JMO]

[Motomom]

Is it just me that thinks this? Nancy Grace seems to be acting really strange with this whole missing Haleigh case. She does fine on the Caylee Anthony case, I think but with this one she seems to be a little off and not on the mark with correct information and correct responses to the people she has as guests. It is almost like she doesn't want to discuss it at all.... I do feel that she wants to find Haleigh but maybe one more missing little girl is pushing her past the point where the pain is just too much for her. I know that it must affect her emotionally.... especially having small children herself.

She's misreported in the Anthony case as well IMO. Watching her tonight, she showed Crystal from last night (who looked much better I might add) talking about the polygraph..then turned around not a minute later and said she had passed...when Crystal was saying that the examiner said it looked ok (paraphrased) but that it had to be sent out.

[Mayasmimi]

Is it just me that thinks this? Nancy Grace seems to be acting really strange with this whole missing Haleigh case. She does fine on the Caylee Anthony case, I think but with this one she seems to be a little off and not on the mark with correct information and correct responses to the people she has as guests. It is almost like she doesn't want to discuss it at all.... I do feel that she wants to find Haleigh but maybe one more missing little girl is pushing her past the point where the pain is just too much for her. I know that it must affect her emotionally.... especially having small children herself.


Have to say, over the last few days, I've thought the same. She's easy to believe lately. As an example....last night bio Mom said she voluntarily took a lie detector test. Nancy asked bio Mom if she passed. Bio Mom said she thought so....and Nancy ran with that as a yes. Not at all like Nancy. Wonder why? I know it's hard for families. Guess case, after case, after case?

[Pag Boi]

I read in some news article at the beginning of this that the print they found was a "shoe" print. Since Haleigh's shoes were inside the house, it was not hers from when she was being abducted.

Too bad you couldn't be bothered to :read: the post exchange that we were discussing. You could have refreshed your memory without even clicking on a link. The poster provided the information from the police report.

But who knows, maybe your news report is more reliable than LE's own notes. Ya think the Cummings family made them change from footprint to shoeprint? :rolleyes:

[Themis]

I think le may be doing both lie detector tests and a new version. On the news the other day, they showed a new lie detector test that works beyond the scope of the old school one. They said it was brand spankin' new, so I have to wonder if le may be trying out the new technology. Regardless which method they are using, I'm pretty certain they have the results and are remaining quiet about the results, which goes along with the entire case. Hopefully, that's a good thing.

jmo
OK, new technology I can understand. And probably more of a double check/double safe method of analysis. Makes sense. Thank you, Viking.

Because so far what is available to the public via all the media consists of the families spouting gobbledegook. 2 weeks downstream from the sad disappearance of Haleigh -- my sympathy goes more toward all branches of LE involved in this case than who they are having to deal with day in and day out. [JMO]

[Motomom]

So I'm sitting here tonight thinking to myself that I can't be all that much different from the rest of you.

I go about my day and then when I want a break I stop in here or check the news for any updates on Haleigh.

Then, I become frustrated and angry because this is turning into another "famous" missing child story. Now Haleigh's picture and memory is going to be added to the legions of children who have simply vanished with no idea of where to look for them and a basket full of confusion coming from the very people that were suppose to be taking care of them!

So following this train of thought I began to wonder if there isn't a better way to go about all of this. We all read this stories month after sickening month on and on and it's like a broken record. Child abducted and police do their level best to go through the usual motions and routine to go about finding where the child may or may not be.

But is there a better way? I'm also thinking that with the collective brain power we have on here we should maybe pool our thoughts together. This method of search and ask and follow up leads doesn't seem to work very well.

I'd love to read your ideas.


What do you think they should do mama? I sometimes think about if a child goes missing in my own town. it's a small town, 7 square miles. As I drive around I look and think where would one search for even a body. Course either town over is pretty rural..but still the same thing..where do you even begin. I mentioned earlier that RSO should be implanted with a gps.. I wonder if maybe there will be a time when we have to do it with our own kids. Not sure it is even possible and i'm not about big brother following your every move.. BUT if a child goes missing, we'd be able to locate them almost immediately. I looked into those gps watches that are tamper proof, but they are expensive and mother suggested a kidnapper would cut their hand off to get it off :rolleyes: thats mother for you though :) I say..better a chld with no hand, then a dead one. But that was when I was paranoid and overly obsessed with the possibility that someone could swipe my kids. So I just don't know what could even be done.. it's cases like this though that make me angry..same thing with hospitals and people dieing.. FIX THEM... FIND THEM with all the technology out there why can't they figure it all out...unrealistic I suppose.. just my thoughts though.

[Mayasmimi]

I tend to agree with you.

Sounds like disinformation being spread to further dilute and confuse those that need the facts -- LE. The more time LE is chasing their tails and expending huge amounts of manpower and funds the better it is for those who are culpable.

I think there's a lot of that going around.:wink: [JMO]

Thought it was odd that bio Mom said Jr. offered the information about the elusive man in black, then said she didn't want to ask him about it. I know in my heart that she was told to say that. Trust me. As with sexual abuse cases, parents are warned not to talk about it. Kids forget. She was coached. For sure....IMO.

[Motomom]

Even if he has not directly been coached he has heard enough conversations that adults have had that he has been able to figure out what id being discussed but not yet able to verbalize it back.

My 4 yr old gd walks around with a toy cell phone having the most in depth conversations with it and yet not one story is accurate in most of what she is saying.

BTW my gs who will be 6 in May, caught some glimpses of the tv when Haleighs photo was being shown and asked what happened to her. I simply said "she got lost and they are looking for her". He ran out and a few minutes later, he came back and said, "Nana, God knows where she's at", and ran on back in the other room.

I can't even imagine what not knowing would do to a parent. jmo

Ohhhh that gave me the goosebumps what your gs said..

I'm with you.. CANNOT imagine not knowing.. I don't know how these people go on and live life.

[CC I See]

Maybe all children should be microchipped at birth so that parents can always find them should they become lost or abducted.

Sexual offenders might think twice about taking a child if they know that they can quickly be traced...... and while they are at it, they can put one inside the offender as well in a very sensitive place to remind them why it is there.

Just a thought.

[Mayasmimi]

Maybe all children should be microchipped at birth so that parents can always find them should they become lost or abducted.

Sexual offenders might think twice about taking a child if they know that they can quickly be traced...... and while they are at it, they can put one inside the offender as well in a very sensitive place to remind them why it is there.

Just a thought.

It's the Big Brother issue. I am on the fence. Tend towards no way in he!! Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

[Themis]

Thought it was odd that bio Mom said Jr. offered the information about the elusive man in black, then said she didn't want to ask him about it. I know in my heart that she was told to say that. Trust me. As with sexual abuse cases, parents are warned not to talk about it. Kids forget. She was coached. For sure....IMO.
Thank you, Maya ... I suppose the keywords are offered the information. Crystal should not even said anything about Junior. When will these people learn to say No Comment. Talk about putting someone, this time a young innocent child, in potential danger IF Hayleigh has been kidnapped.

I'm getting quite fed up with the lot of them. Can you tell? [JMO]

[Pag Boi]

Too bad the Respondent didn't show up. Apparently, the judge had reason to doubt the affidavit. I am not sure why. MOO


:shrug: Maybe cuz it is not true? When I got to the claim that Crystal had a job and her own home w/her own mortgage, I knew I wasn't reading anything based on facts. You don't buy a home in one week over the holidays. Especially if you are unemployed and you tell judge couldn't even afford the court filing fee. JMOO

[Mayasmimi]

Thank you, Maya ... I suppose the keywords are offered the information. Crystal should not even said anything about Junior. When will these people learn to say No Comment. Talk about putting someone, this time a young innocent child, in potential danger IF Hayleigh has been kidnapped.

I'm getting quite fed up with the lot of them. Can you tell? [JMO]


I seriously doubt Jr. is in stranger danger.

You can be fed up as you want to be....me standing next to you. Solidarity. No way this baby girl is MISSING.

For the love of God.....protect Jr.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Motomom]

Hey I'm sitting at the same picinic table you are here!

I'm completely and totally for implanting RSO with GPS. We have the technology why not use it. At what point does violating the RSO 'rights' supercede the safety of others? I'm so torn by this societal blindness that envelopes the people who need to stand up and either introduce a bill to become law on this or do what it takes.

Everyone is so willing to come forward with the stuffed animals and the donations AFTER the fact and I want to come up with something to prevent it.

I also looked into the GPS trackers and there is one company that sells one you can put on a belt and I don't think most people at this point would even consider that a child would have one on.

They cost right around $400 bucks but I betcha if you asked ANY parent out there who has lost a child "would you pay $400 bucks to find your kid?" they would say $4,000 would not be enough!

I'm seriously considering it. I don't want to be a paranoid parent but at the same time I don't want to lose my child to some FREAK who wants to satisfy his own sexual urges by raping and killing the only thing that gives my life meaning.

I'm getting all worked up now...better take a break.

I forget what case it was that I was following when I got so paranoid about it. http://childlocator.com/ These are what I was looking at back then. Then you have a monthly fee with that. I had actually wondered that if maybe schools got involved in preventative measures, such as getting a deal with a company like this, getting a discount on watches or something of that nature. In a town like mine, where the kids play outside alot and on the sidewalks, I think there would be some interest. Especially because we are a walking district too. But then even though they would get use to wearing it, it could be a bit of a burden to the child. It could also give a false sense of security and when we have people stealing children from their beds something else may be more practical. The idea of big brother does scare me.. chips could be removed after a certain age, but it is pretty extreme IMO too. I have thoguht about the chips for the last few years though.

With Haleigh, i believe someone that either knew someone in the family, mom, dad, misty, chad..maybe someone that worked with Ron..someone that knows the comings and goings of Ron has taken her. My other thought is some sicko was possibly watching the house for a bit..hence the cinderblock. Maybe after Ron goes to work, this guy hops up on the cinderblock to watch through windows... or someone came there that misty knows..and she needs to start talkig if that's the case.

[Mayasmimi]

This situation is a bit different that the Anthony case is that the high price attorneys got involved, as well as TE & LP of all people.

These folks who would never have been heard of except for the local media, but we don't see the high end lawyers and such jumping in to rescue them from the media. So they just say what they say.
I do think the paternal gm did well tonite in making it clear that the boy could be in imminent danger now that the story has been told. Clearly she is probably the most well educated. jmo

My gut says.....if there was anything for the low life criminal defense attorney to have here....One would be here. Mark? And, cannot believe Gloria hasn't been all up the behinds of the family. What she does for sure.

Who the heck knows.

Where is Haleigh?????????????????

[Themis]

I seriously doubt Jr. is in stranger danger.

You can be fed up as you want to be....me standing next to you. Solidarity. No way this baby girl is MISSING.

For the love of God.....protect Jr.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to know I'm not all alone, Maya, and I agree with what you said!

You're right, Aame, no one jumping in as yet because no arrest has been made. In the meantime it seems there have been way too many of them using the press to further the familial feuds.

I've even counfounded myself by actually trying to decipher arrest records and all those abbreviations!

With that I'll say goodnight to all and thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and sleuthing talents.

[JMO]

[Mayasmimi]

Yes I think the persons giving the polygraphs are experts in their field I would think. You're right, it doesn't ring true. Quantico was my guess.
Maybe the admin has an opion, but needs extra eyes.

[Mayasmimi]

Nice to know I'm not all alone, Maya, and I agree with what you said!

You're right, Aame, no one jumping in as yet because no arrest has been made. In the meantime it seems there have been way too many of them using the press to further the familial feuds.

I've even counfounded myself by actually trying to decipher arrest records and all those abbreviations!

With that I'll say goodnight to all and thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and sleuthing talents.

[JMO]

Goodnight. Hope this baby found alive.

[Mayasmimi]

Exactly. High drama

That is the question...Maybe the vehicle they have will yield something, anything.

I've even wondered if a boat could have removed her from the area.

Madness, and evil most certainly is alive and active in this country.

Who knows? I think LE is keeping this close, and I seriously doubt they are handling the entire task. An arrest soon....betcha.

Evil...................OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! For sure. Amazingly scary.

Where is Haleigh??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

[Mayasmimi]

Yes that's more or less what the indication was from what I could gather.


Ouch....my spelling was a tad off. Happy you got my drift. May be a few weeks. I really believe LE knows exactly what happened. Dotting Is and crossing Ts. So very sad.

Where is Haleigh????????????????????????

[Mimi428]

Hi all,

Just playing catch up tonight, but was giving DH a brief overview of the case and mentioned that there were allegations that Ron was a drug user. The first thing DH said (I can't believe it didn't occur to me) is that maybe Haleigh got into the drugs accidentally. Then I remembered someone mentioning Ron maybe using morphine suckers (was it Crystal who said that)? Those would be appealing to a child and would look like a lollipop, right?

This is based on nothing but speculation, but I just wonder if perhaps Misty or Ron left something like that out and Haleigh got into them and died accidentally, then Misty and Ron panicked and decided to cover it up. Their grief would certainly be real and it explains why we get the feeling they are hiding something, why Misty looks terrified and spaced out (shock, fear, guilt), and why at times Ron's grief is real and at other times it seems fake. It explains why the scene at the house seems staged (to me at least) and why they can't seem keep the story straight (because it's not true).

Anyway, off to catch up on today's thread now. That's my theory for the day, though I would much prefer to believe that she's still out there safe somewhere.


I have also thought it is possible that Haleigh accidently ingested something that was intended for use by Ron or Misty.

ITA with you that Ron has had more than a couple of moments where he appears to be TRYING to show grief - & other times when he looks sad & upset over something he already knows has happened.

[rosieposett]

Hi all. I just watched NG and Jr's mom telling how Jr. said a man dressed in black came in and got is sissy. I think the mom may be sincere in what she is saying, and hoping beyond hope it will be the tip LE needs to bring home Haleigh. But I'm not sure. As a child I dreamed I saw Santa in our living room. No one could convince me otherwise. I still have a memory of it but it didn't happen. Who's to say? I'm unsure that tip is reliable, yet I understand Jr. wants to help and bring home sissy. It is just my opinion that it is a dead end. jmo Come home soon Haleigh.

[tinkerbell]

Good night...

[tinkerbell]

Hi all. I just watched NG and Jr's mom telling how Jr. said a man dressed in black came in and got is sissy. I think the mom may be sincere in what she is saying, and hoping beyond hope it will be the tip LE needs to bring home Haleigh. But I'm not sure. As a child I dreamed I saw Santa in our living room. No one could convince me otherwise. I still have a memory of it but it didn't happen. Who's to say? I'm unsure that tip is reliable, yet I understand Jr. wants to help and bring home sissy. It is just my opinion that it is a dead end. jmo Come home soon Haleigh.

IMHO, young children can make very honest witnesses when they are able to reconstruct real events. The flip side, IMHO, is that young children can be confused by their own perceptions of what is real and what isn't.

For example, a dream can seem to be very real to children; even to adults. Sometimes, it's difficult to ascertain what is real and what is not.

[emdragon]

Too bad you couldn't be bothered to :read: the post exchange that we were discussing. You could have refreshed your memory without even clicking on a link. The poster provided the information from the police report.

But who knows, maybe your news report is more reliable than LE's own notes. Ya think the Cummings family made them change from footprint to shoeprint? :rolleyes:

The police report that I read the day it was released said SHOE print not foot print. That was the police report not a news report.

[AlohaRainbow]

IMHO, young children can make very honest witnesses when they are able to reconstruct real events. The flip side, IMHO, is that young children can be confused by their own perceptions of what is real and what isn't.

For example, a dream can seem to be very real to children; even to adults. Sometimes, it's difficult to ascertain what is real and what is not.
on one of the crime investigative shows this past weekend they showed a case where a 4 year old said (and then testified in court) that his foster dad put a pillow over the baby's face and hit him on the back and stomach... (the baby died). the defense argued that what the young child saw was the foster dad trying to revive the baby with cpr, and wiping vomit off the baby's face with a cloth diaper. (they played the 911 tape for the jury where it was obvious the 911 operator was coaching the foster dad on how to do cpr, chest compressions, etc.). the jury found the foster dad not guilty, despite the 4-year old's testimony re the pillow.

i think small children don't (usually) intentionally lie about things that they see. but, i think small children can sometimes misinterpret what they see or hear (and can't always separate 'fact' from dreams). it's not that they're not being "truthful" (as they perceive the truth), but they're not always "accurate".

then there are those kids who say truthful (what they perceive as the truth) AND accurate things (like bobby cutts' son, blake, who said his mother had been placed in a rug... :sad: )

[5boxersmom]

on one of the crime investigative shows this past weekend they showed a case where a 4 year old said (and then testified in court) that his foster dad put a pillow over the baby's face and hit him on the back and stomach... (the baby died). the defense argued that what the young child saw was the foster dad trying to revive the baby with cpr, and wiping vomit off the baby's face with a cloth diaper. (they played the 911 tape for the jury where it was obvious the 911 operator was coaching the foster dad on how to do cpr, chest compressions, etc.). the jury found the foster dad not guilty, despite the 4-year old's testimony re the pillow.

i think small children don't (usually) intentionally lie about things that they see. but, i think small children can sometimes misinterpret what they see or hear (and can't always separate 'fact' from dreams). it's not that they're not being "truthful" (as they perceive the truth), but they're not always "accurate".

then there are those kids who say truthful (what they perceive as the truth) AND accurate things (like bobby cutts' son, blake, who said his mother had been placed in a rug... :sad: )

Does anyone remember the case where the girl said it was her uncle that raped her and killed the grandma? DNA proved it wasn't him. He was in prison and got a cig. butt from the perp. His wife never gave up on him. I forget how old the little girl was.

But then again like you mentioned you have Blake telling about his mommy being in a rug. And Elizabeth Smarts sister.

It is just so hard to tell. I hope JR. wasn't coached.

imo

[AlohaRainbow]

Does anyone remember the case where the girl said it was her uncle that raped her and killed the grandma? DNA proved it wasn't him. He was in prison and got a cig. butt from the perp. His wife never gave up on him. I forget how old the little girl was.

But then again like you mentioned you have Blake telling about his mommy being in a rug. And Elizabeth Smarts sister.

It is just so hard to tell. I hope JR. wasn't coached.

imo

i hope he wasn't coached, too. or overheard the adults talking and blended in what he may have heard with what he remembered from that night. i think the sooner that LE got to "question" / interview him, the better.

interviewing young children, imo, requires very specialized techniques, more along the lines of listening to what they say more than asking direct (and often leading) questions. it's very hard to not put thoughts and ideas into their heads (i'm thinking of the ?mcmartin and other day care alleged sexual abuse cases from the '80's).

[baby4brennn]

I havent been able to read anything on the Haleigh case online in the last 2 days cause i'm so busy getting ready for my kid's bday party Sat. can anyone tell me if anything new happened with this case in the last 2 days and fill me in? thanks

[Kip]

Does anyone remember the case where the girl said it was her uncle that raped her and killed the grandma? DNA proved it wasn't him. He was in prison and got a cig. butt from the perp. His wife never gave up on him. I forget how old the little girl was.

But then again like you mentioned you have Blake telling about his mommy being in a rug. And Elizabeth Smarts sister.

It is just so hard to tell. I hope JR. wasn't coached.

imo

I think that little girl was about 10 or 12 when the murder happened.

[Shyone]

Good Morning, I was just thinking, do you not think someone would had heard some scuffleing around when they came into the bedroom esp it being only 3ft away from where the bed Jr and the babysitter was sleeping...Unless it was someone Hayleigh was already familiar with.