District Attorney watch

[Serendipitous1]

OK, since no one else has, I guess I must put this thread up for 2009.

We here, of course, would like to see the next DA of Centre County be someone who will decisively move the Ray Gricar case forward...someone with a new approach...even while we understand that the duties of that office go way beyond Gricar...w-a-a-a-a-y beyond Gricar. But this is the Gricar forum.

So far, in the running, the good people of Centre County have incumbent Republican Michael Madeira...by most accounts a sincere, good guy who is hoping for a miracle (I will leave it to you to decide if that is just in reference to Gricar)...and on the Democratic side, Tony De Boef, Stacy Parks Miller, and maybe J. Karen Arnold (all with previous prosecution experience).

The irrepressible J.J. would liken this county race to that of John Morganelli's failed bid to become state Attorney General last year. I could not find a @#$%^&* icon to adequately express my disappointment with that notion. But I will say, this is different.

OTOH his view that Arnold would not be the strongest candidate to challenge Madeira has some merit. So, within the context of who might best be able to advance the Gricar case, who might be that candidate?

[Serendipitous1]

"Revelation Range" refers to that place where the true explanation of Ray Gricar's disappearance lies. It is a place closely guarded (by whomever)...and one not easily penetrated. But it is a place where some of us need to be able to go...it is just that important.

[J. J. in Phila]

I think that RFG will be an issue, but probably not the main issue. How MM runs the office will be, e.g. LM and the suppression of evidence.

RFG's case is symptom of MM's conduct, one in a long string of symptoms.

[gstickley]

"Revelation Range" refers to that place where the true explanation of Ray Gricar's disappearance lies. It is a place closely guarded (by whomever)...and one not easily penetrated. But it is a place where some of us need to be able to go...it is just that important.

Well, S1, I thank you for that. Try harder to find it.

[UndertheRadar]

Would you mind sharing exactly how you can arrive at a conclusion that JKA would not be the strongest candidate against Madeira? Considering she has 18 years in as an ADA, under the best, RG, something neither DeBoef or SPM can even come close to having accomplished in either Centre County or any other county in PA.

Putting all three of the other candidates in both parties together, their time as DA and ADA does not equal the experience JKA has so exactly what is it that causes you to reach such a conclusion that any of the three in both parties, are 'stronger' or more qualified than JKA?

I must have missed something because I haven't heard any of the candidates say anything in depth about any issues regarding what they will do and will not do as DA, that would move me to immediately jump on a candidate and say 'not the strongest'. I am curious as to what 'yardstick' is being used to make such a determination.

How does one judge the 'ratings' or 'standings' before any words have even been spoken other than 'yes, I want to be Centre County DA'. To the tune of $166K per year, talk is not so cheap. By the time the present fiasco is over, we, the people, will have paid 1/2 a million dollars for someone with no experience other than a very, very short stint in Wilkes-Barre as an ADA. Can you explain to me why county residents would want others with little experience in the top law enforcement position in our county, and why you call that lack 'stronger'? What am I missing?

JMO

Excellent questions, Logic, and precisely what I've been mulling over since earlier today. Now we have a duet, or at least a partial one, instead of a single voice. I would think all county residents would be interested in hearing answers. We certainly can't afford to repeat what we've just been through.

[J. J. in Phila]

Would you mind sharing exactly how you can arrive at a conclusion that JKA would not be the strongest candidate against Madeira? Considering she has 18 years in as an ADA, under the best, RG, something neither DeBoef or SPM can even come close to having accomplished in either Centre County or any other county in PA.

Putting all three of the other candidates in both parties together, their time as DA and ADA does not equal the experience JKA has so exactly what is it that causes you to reach such a conclusion that any of the three in both parties, are 'stronger' or more qualified than JKA?

I must have missed something because I haven't heard any of the candidates say anything in depth about any issues regarding what they will do and will not do as DA, that would move me to immediately jump on a candidate and say 'not the strongest'. I am curious as to what 'yardstick' is being used to make such a determination.

How does one judge the 'ratings' or 'standings' before any words have even been spoken other than 'yes, I want to be Centre County DA'. To the tune of $166K per year, talk is not so cheap. By the time the present fiasco is over, we, the people, will have paid 1/2 a million dollars for someone with no experience other than a very, very short stint in Wilkes-Barre as an ADA. Can you explain to me why county residents would want others with little experience in the top law enforcement position in our county, and why you call that lack 'stronger'? What am I missing?

JMO

Ah, first, MM was AAG for a number of years, I believe more than a decade.

Second, the election of the DA is not about courtroom experience, but is a political exercise. JKA's electoral performance was not exactly good the last time; she actually ran behind the jury commissioner candidate. Considering that the first time RFG ran, he barely won against Goodall (by about 600 votes), JKA's performance was quite poor.

As indicated, there are many reasons for that and she has many vulnerabilities that can be exploited by an opponent, in either primary or the general. Neither De Boef nor Parks Miller have those problems.

[Politigal]

Personally, I think JKA takes top honors in experience, compared to the other candidates. I also think with the wave of change that swept over the country in the presidential election, that people are turning more toward Democrats too. I think she'd have an excellent chance at being elected.

[J. J. in Phila]

Personally, I think JKA takes top honors in experience, compared to the other candidates. I also think with the wave of change that swept over the country in the presidential election, that people are turning more toward Democrats too. I think she'd have an excellent chance at being elected.

You obviously didn't at the NYSE close today. And that is a potential problem. 2009 has the potential to be a Republican year, which doesn't help out any candidate that I'd like to see win this.

This really isn't about JKA's experience; it is a political decision and a political calculation. And MM now has about the same level of experience, but at a higher level experience, compared to JKA (not that does any good).

[Politigal]

De boef touts more experience than SPM
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2009/02/24/candidate_suggests_leniency.aspx

Miller’s bio
Associate) born Lewistown, Pennsylvania, March 20, 1969; admitted to bar, 1994, Pennsylvania, U.S. District Court, Western District of Pennsylvania and U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit; 1998, U.S. Supreme Court. Education: Indiana University of Pennsylvania (B.S., 1991); Duquesne University (J.D., 1994). First Assistant District Attorney, 1996-2001. Practice Areas: Criminal Law; Civil Litigation.

De boef’s bio
Anthony G. De Boef was born in Des Moines, Iowa. He attended the University of Iowa (B.A., Communications, with honors, 1983) and received his legal education at the University of Kansas School of Law (J.D., 1989) (Phi Delta Phi). Mr. De Boef was admitted to the Iowa Bar in 1990 and the Pennsylvania Bar in 1994. After working in Iowa as an Associate Attorney for a law firm and as an Assistant District Attorney, he moved to Pennsylvania, where he practiced as an Assistant District Attorney in Centre County (1995 to 1998). He was an instructor in the Political Science Department at Penn State in 1996 and 1998. Joining Mr. Mitinger in 1998, Mr. De Boef practices law emphasizing in Criminal and Civil Litigation, Personal Injury, Family Law, Collections and District Magistrate Hearings. He has served on the Board of Directors of the Bellefonte YMCA, Child Development and Family Council of State College, and is a member of the Nittany Valley Track Club, an Elks Club Member and a Board Member of Our Children's Center Montessori School.

An older article that highlights some of JKA's experience versus MM

http://tinyurl.com/aj9vsr

[Serendipitous1]

Unlike the state AG campaign last year, I cannot vote in this election...not in Centre County anyway. And like the state AG campaign last year, this forum is not going to influence many Centre County voters. This is the Gricar forum. But there are just too many other important issues for voters to consider and too few people reading here to think the Gricar matter will have an impact on the election...unless, of course, the candidates themselves make it a central issue.

I do encourage all Centre County voters who read here to consider all of the issues in deciding who their DA will be for the next 4 years. But my purpose in starting this thread was to allow those of us who are hanging around this forum (most of whom, like me, are apparently not CC residents) to examine the DA race over the next several months, primarily focused on how the election outcome might affect the Gricar investigation. The discussion cannot ignore collateral issues, but I would hope that all viewpoints would be welcomed.

My own ‘yardstick’ is formed from what I have been able to read on and over the Internet, not nearly all of which have I shared...or can I share in a public forum. It is fact-driven and, to the extent I am able to discern, not unduly influenced by message-board/blog opinions, rumor, gossip...or googlepages.

I would definitely like to see a new DA in office next year...someone who would not only be a good DA for the county (first and foremost), but who would also be best positioned to move the Gricar case forward. All things considered, as of this moment SPM seems to be the logical choice in my humble opinion.

I reserve the balance of my time. Next!?!

[Politigal]

she *does* look a lot like Carla Baron...:biggrin:

me thinks S1 is a pushover for pretty blondes

[Serendipitous1]

Thanks for the De Boef link pgal. I especially appreciated learning of his blatant attempt to ride SPM's back in regard to prosecutorial discretion. I really wish he was a strong contender. But from my view he is in desperate need of a savvy campaign manager...already.

[Serendipitous1]

she *does* look a lot like Carla Baron...:biggrin:

me thinks S1 is a pushover for pretty blondesIf that is where you think I am at, then...:rolleyes::thumbup:...but if that is where I thought this forum was at, I would not be wasting my time here.

I see a lot of "me" in SPM. Call it my "feminine side" or whatever you want. But that is not something I could say about any of the other candidates/potential candidates to date, male or female.

[J. J. in Phila]

Actually SPM was First ADA in Clearfield Co., so she is experienced:

http://www.centredaily.com/126/story/1129582.html

She is a dynamo in the courtroom, consistently humiliating the DA's Office.

And, as of now, MM is the most experienced, in terms years as prosecutor (and I still would vote for someone else).

[Serendipitous1]

The transition from defense attorney to prosecuting attorney has to be awkward. Perhaps that is what is so appealing to some about JKA and, for that matter, RFG and MM...all long-term prosecutors. But love of the law is not resticted to prosecutors. And love of the law may be the only hope of ever finding out what happened to RG. Revelation Range is not for the timid, weak or also-rans.

[Politigal]

Thanks for the De Boef link pgal. I especially appreciated learning of his blatant attempt to ride SPM's back in regard to prosecutorial discretion. I really wish he was a strong contender. But from my view he is in desperate need of a savvy campaign manager...already.

I agree about the need for a good campaign manager. I know that when MM ran last time, he had an excellent campaign website managed by this guy:

http://www.spoke.com/info/p76ZL11/MichaelRussell

[Serendipitous1]

I agree about the need for a good campaign manager. I know that when MM ran last time, he had an excellent campaign website managed by this guy:

http://www.spoke.com/info/p76ZL11/MichaelRussellNever knew that...but if so, it's gonna take 2 MJR mgrs this time around. Poor one-term Mike(s)! Do ya figure TC's money will be enuf? Do you believe in miracles? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSzW6K9ZbA)

[J. J. in Phila]

Frankly, one thing Bob Jones University does well is to train people to run for office. I've known a professor there and one or two students.

[tonyGricar]

Anyone else think the next several months will be interesting as hell?

[J. J. in Phila]

Anyone else think the next several months will be interesting as hell?

The last eight certainly have been. :)

[puzzled]

Yes TG I agree with you! I am so glad to see you post! My sincere condolences to you on the death of your nephew. Your family remains in my prayers.
I am hoping that maybe you can answer this one question. Supposedly Ray was seen pulled over somewhere (not sure where) and some " construction worker type" was seen leaning into the window area. Do you have any idea where this happened? Is it possible that Ray was kidnapped at that very point/ location?
I am gonna try my darndest to never ever tick you off again!:biggrin:

[Politigal]

Anyone else think the next several months will be interesting as hell?

Do you plan to contact any of the candidates on RG's behalf?

[Cloudbuster]

Hi Tony. I think the next several months will be interesting. It's extremely like a pool game with politicians as the balls and MM the Eight ball lol. :laugh:

[tonyGricar]

- Re: the DA's race, I'm not going to comment on who has directly, or indirectly, contacted me.

- PG, the construction worker deal always centered around the parking lot where the car was found. The psychic said something about it, and it was semi-corroborated by her lap do...police liason. I never was given details of the "corroboration" beyond what was "as seen on TV!".

[Serendipitous1]

Anyone else think the next several months will be interesting as hell?I guess we may not know just how interesting until after March 10 when the nomination petitions are due. Two Democrats have already announced, and JKA has said she is considering it. There may be more. If no other Republicans run, MM could just hunker down until after the May 19 primary. Any of you CC residents here know if any Republicans are circulating a petition?

Any CC Democrats here going to the Meet and Greet (http://www.centrecountydems.com/events.html#breakfast) tomorrow morning?

[Serendipitous1]

The gloves stayed on at the Dem. Meet and Greet yesterday, according to MJ's Election Notebook (http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1145436.html).

SPM and TDeB playing nice with each other so far seems to irritate MJ...and MM too, no doubt. MM appears anxious to take on any and all challengers, even before the petition filing deadline (no mention of JKA being at the meeting, BTW). But getting little in the way of satisfaction from SPM and TDeB so far has left MM largely confined to shadowboxing.

[Serendipitous1]

Along the lines of when the gloves come off...this timely article by TDeB (the teacher of PA politics, not the candidate for DA): A Familiar Story: Policy Gives Way to Mudslinging (http://wpsu.org/vote08/blog/?author=11).

It should be an interesting primary election campaign.

[Serendipitous1]

If no other Republicans run, MM could just hunker down until after the May 19 primary. It would take extraordinary courage to challenge your boss. But you ADAs (and others) have that opportunity. Nine days left...what say you? Speak now!

[Serendipitous1]

SPM's campaign website: parksmillerforda.org (http://parksmillerforda.org/4852.html)

[Serendipitous1]

Along the lines of when the gloves come off...this timely article by TDeB (the teacher of PA politics, not the candidate for DA): A Familiar Story: Policy Gives Way to Mudslinging (http://wpsu.org/vote08/blog/?author=11).

It should be an interesting primary election campaign.Love it when a perfectly good link suddenly crumbles into dust...overnight! I guess if you did not see this you will just have to googlecache the title. Better hurry though.

[Serendipitous1]

Arnold enters race for DA (http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/1163808.html)
"Madeira is unopposed for the GOP nomination, according to an unofficial list of candidates made public after the 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline for filing nomination petitions."

[Politigal]

Arnold enters race for DA (http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/1163808.html)
"Madeira is unopposed for the GOP nomination, according to an unofficial list of candidates made public after the 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline for filing nomination petitions."

Awesome....let the games begin!!

[J. J. in Phila]

Awesome....let the games begin!!

Unfortunately, you will not like the "games." Note what the article called her, "retired attorney."

[Serendipitous1]

They all could be good DAs for Centre County. But by filing, all the non-electable (IMO) Karen Arnold did was to muddy the race between Stacy Parks Miller and Tony De Boef...BTW, is it De Boef or DeBoef?...even his website manager seems to be confused.

Anyway, I expect, in light of her googlepages, that Arnold will make RG's plight an issue. That could be good (IMHO, as this is the Gricar forum). But Arnold will take votes away from both of the other contenders. That is not really good for RG's case, IMHO.

As to the wimps in the anti-Madeira GOP...you had your chance. Now go pump your support into one and/or another democrat's campaign! Or continue to rim-lick the present staus quo in regard to RG's plight...and a whole bunch of other relevant issues.

P.S. Debbie...I thought you were a "beef" person!?! Do you now favor "fish"?

[Politigal]

They all could be good DAs for Centre County. But by filing, all the non-electable (IMO) Karen Arnold did was to muddy the race between Stacy Parks Miller and Tony De Boef...BTW, is it De Boef or DeBoef?...even his website manager seems to be confused.

Anyway, I expect, in light of her googlepages, that Arnold will make RG's plight an issue. That could be good (IMHO, as this is the Gricar forum). But Arnold will take votes away from both of the other contenders. That is not really good for RG's case, IMHO.

As to the wimps in the anti-Madeira GOP...you had your chance. Now go pump your support into one and/or another democrat's campaign! Or continue to rim-lick the present staus quo in regard to RG's plight...and a whole bunch of other relevant issues.

P.S. Debbie...I thought you were a "beef" person!?! Do you now favor "fish"?


Nope, I'm a veggie/crisp salad kinda gal. Beef is usually tough & hard to chew. Fish smells.

JKA is definitely "electable" IMO, especially compared to De boef & Miller. And I think you could probably pit Sponge Bob Square Pants against Madeira....and Madeira would lose.

We'll see.....

ok I admit...it's not always about veggies....I like chocolate pie too...lol

[J. J. in Phila]

Nope, I'm a veggie/crisp salad kinda gal. Beef is usually tough & hard to chew. Fish smells.

JKA is definitely "electable" IMO, especially compared to De boef & Miller. And I think you could probably pit Sponge Bob Square Pants against Madeira....and Madeira would lose.

We'll see.....

ok I admit...it's not always about veggies....I like chocolate pie too...lol


You've already seen the first problem. JKA was working from what I've heard, but not as an attorney. Consider this, after LM "resigned" from the DA's Office, he was, within days, hired by a law firm. After more than three years, JKA wasn't.

[Serendipitous1]

Nope, I'm a veggie/crisp salad kinda gal. Beef is usually tough & hard to chew. Fish smells.

JKA is definitely "electable" IMO, especially compared to De boef & Miller. And I think you could probably pit Sponge Bob Square Pants against Madeira....and Madeira would lose.

We'll see.....

ok I admit...it's not always about veggies....I like chocolate pie too...lolIt will be interesting...no doubt about it! I just hope it enures to the benefit of solving this mystery.

I hate "sweets"...especially on campaign websites!

[Serendipitous1]

You've already seen the first problem. JKA was working from what I've heard, but not as an attorney. Consider this, after LM "resigned" from the DA's Office, he was, within days, hired by a law firm. After more than three years, JKA wasn't."There's your sign!" (IMHO)

[J. J. in Phila]

Madeira is more formidable than everyone here thinks. Centre is a GOP County, barely. Republicans tend to come out to vote in higher proportions in off year elections.

JKA has a number of problems, including my existence. My "secret identity" is the worst kept secret in Centre County and would have taken someone with half a brain about ten minutes to figure out.

[J. J. in Phila]

"There's your sign!" (IMHO)

No, there is something much worse; I'll PM you on that.

[Politigal]

"There's your sign!" (IMHO)

I don't follow that line of thinking....why is it a bad thing that she chose not to go into private practice? IMO, those that do, generally do for the moolah.

JKA was obviously very committed to her work for many many yrs as an assistant DA, and perhaps that's where she prefers to be....in the DA's office.

[J. J. in Phila]

I don't follow that line of thinking....why is it a bad thing that she chose not to go into private practice? IMO, those that do, generally do for the moolah.

JKA was obviously very committed to her work for many many yrs as an assistant DA, and perhaps that's where she prefers to be....in the DA's office.


It is a bad point to to go into practice, private or otherwise. Before JKA was at the DA's office, she was a public defender.

You should be asking what she has been doing for "the moolah." Nothing illegal, but not the law either, from what I've heard.

[Serendipitous1]

Nope, I'm a veggie/crisp salad kinda gal. Beef is usually tough & hard to chew. Fish smells.

JKA is definitely "electable" IMO, especially compared to De boef & Miller. And I think you could probably pit Sponge Bob Square Pants against Madeira....and Madeira would lose.

We'll see.....

ok I admit...it's not always about veggies....I like chocolate pie too...lolThere is an alternative to "hard to chew" beef and "smelly" fish. You just have to embrace it. I reserve the balance of my time.

[Politigal]

There is an alternative to "hard to chew" beef and "smelly" fish. You just have to embrace it. I reserve the balance of my time.

Sutter Home? :tongueside:

http://www.sutterhome.com/w_wz.php

[J. J. in Phila]

Sutter Home? :tongueside:

http://www.sutterhome.com/w_wz.php

You might find various types of produce to be relevant. :(

[Serendipitous1]

Sutter Home? :tongueside:

http://www.sutterhome.com/w_wz.phpNo...made in PA (http://www.yuengling.com/)

[J. J. in Phila]

LW, RFG took a break of months, not years, from the practice of law. Before he ran for office, he hand been a prosecutor in the office for nearly the preceding five years (and he almost lost).

A three year gap on a resume, especially the past three years immediately prior to seeking the post, would be an issue, even for employment. It is in a political campaign, especially if the gap hasn't involved in work in the legal profession, and the position is for district attorney. It becomes truer when any possible opponent has been publicly in court since that time.

[Serendipitous1]

Arnold stresses her experience (http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1164293.html)
KA expects the Dems to keep their focus on Madeira and not go after each other. MM is glad to know who the candidates are, but is only interested in debating the winner.

If experience was all that mattered, MM would be running unopposed in November. It is too bad no other Rep challenged him. I guess they all must think he is doing a terrific job.

And it would be great if the Dem winner could emerge from the primary election unbloodied, but I will be surprised if that happens. OTOH, MM wanting to hunker down until May is no surprise. It is up to the Dems to call him out.

[Politigal]

Arnold stresses her experience (http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1164293.html)
KA expects the Dems to keep their focus on Madeira and not go after each other. MM is glad to know who the candidates are, but is only interested in debating the winner.

If experience was all that mattered, MM would be running unopposed in November. It is too bad no other Rep challenged him. I guess they all must think he is doing a terrific job.

And it would be great if the Dem winner could emerge from the primary election unbloodied, but I will be surprised if that happens. OTOH, MM wanting to hunker down until May is no surprise. It is up to the Dems to call him out.

Madeira sounds just a tad smug....

Hope they kick his bu**

[puzzled]

JJ please tell me that someday the HUGE chip on your shoulder towards JKA will fall off! So she " dissed" you...who cares get over it. So what if she did not want to know who you are. I admire your stamina on this case....but I don't care to know who you are either. You drive me crazy sometimes. You seem to think you are right about everything and you want to argue about most things. Get over yourself dude. Have a great day!:biggrin:

[puzzled]

I can not stand MM! I loathe the ground he walks on! I think he is totally dishonest and crooked. I also think he does not give a rats arse what happened to Ray! I would not trust him as far as I could throw him. Please Lord let him lose. He has done nothing for Ray!:thumbsup:

[UndertheRadar]

JJ please tell me that someday the HUGE chip on your shoulder towards JKA will fall off! So she " dissed" you...who cares get over it.

:thumbsup:

Why do I keep hearing strains of an old Carly Simon melody floating through my head?

[J. J. in Phila]

JJ please tell me that someday the HUGE chip on your shoulder towards JKA will fall off! So she " dissed" you...who cares get over it. So what if she did not want to know who you are. I admire your stamina on this case....but I don't care to know who you are either. You drive me crazy sometimes. You seem to think you are right about everything and you want to argue about most things. Get over yourself dude. Have a great day!:biggrin:

Believe me, Puzzled, this isn't about me. The problem just started. She hasn't from what I can tell practiced in the last three years. That is an issue that is legitimate in a campaign for DA; that will not make her look good. That alone could sink her. Now, why don't you ask where she was working in the last three years; I know, and I'm not saying. I doubt MM will be so discreet.

[gstickley]

:thumbsup:

Puzzled: you're my new heroine!!!!!

(And, UTR, Ms. Carly sure is fittin'-n-proper!)


This is my opinion, and I certainly am entitled to it!!!!! :tonguewag:

[gstickley]

IMO, anyone who is seriously concerned about the disappearance of Ray F. Gricar would appreciate Ms. J. Karen Arnold's run for the office of District Attorney of Centre Co. One would think that anyone wishing or hoping for a complete investigation into Ray Gricar's disappearance would be happy that finally, after all this time, there is someone who may actually check into what happened to him. One would think that those who actually cared about Ray Gricar would do whatever they could to see that she would be elected. Of all the candidates, Ms. Arnold spent more time with Ray Gricar; apparently, she had his approval, as they worked together for some 18 years.

Or . . . maybe there is just an ill wind about RG blowing around . . . :thumbdown:


This is my opinion, to which I am entitled.

[J. J. in Phila]

IMO, anyone who is seriously concerned about the disappearance of Ray F. Gricar would appreciate Ms. J. Karen Arnold's run for the office of District Attorney of Centre Co. One would think that anyone wishing or hoping for a complete investigation into Ray Gricar's disappearance would be happy that finally, after all this time, there is someone who may actually check into what happened to him. One would think that those who actually cared about Ray Gricar would do whatever they could to see that she would be elected. Of all the candidates, Ms. Arnold spent more time with Ray Gricar; apparently, she had his approval, as they worked together for some 18 years.

Or . . . maybe there is just an ill wind about RG blowing around . . . :thumbdown:


This is my opinion, to which I am entitled.

First, there is the "may" question. So far, she hasn't said she would do anything. I've been hugely critical of MM, but JKA had the option of saying that something should have been done, during the campaign. She had the option of saying that something should have been done in her googlepages. She had a chance to speak out during the July press conference. So far, she hasn't, but I hope that changes.

Second, she can't do jack unless she can knock out MM. She may be his dream opponent.

[puzzled]

Hey JJ...my hubby has not practiced law since 1997. However if he decided to run for DA or any other office I am sure he would have a ton of votes....and would be terrific in office! Some skills just remain no longer how long you are out. He is the smartest man I know!
I worked as a Medical Assistant for 15 years. I have been out of it since 1999...however if I ever decide to get back in ....it should not be a problem whatsoever. I remember how to do everything that I used to do. :smile:

[Politigal]

:thumbsup:

Why do I keep hearing strains of an old Carly Simon melody floating through my head?

LOL...I thought of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjkpUeLexXk

[Politigal]

Seriously, the District Atty is the chief *law enforcement* officer in the county, and integrity should certainly play a roll in that position.

How can someone be the least bit worried about what JKA has done while in semi-retirement, after a lengthy career with no blips I'm aware of, as opposed to a DA who *withheld* evidence in a murder case, and who apparently disregarded complaints about an assistant DA for sometime, til the **** hit the fan???

[J. J. in Phila]

Seriously, the District Atty is the chief *law enforcement* officer in the county, and integrity should certainly play a roll in that position.

How can someone be the least bit worried about what JKA has done while in semi-retirement, after a lengthy career with no blips I'm aware of, as opposed to a DA who *withheld* evidence in a murder case, and who apparently disregarded complaints about an assistant DA for sometime, til the **** hit the fan???

Mike Nifong was reelected, an analogy that should not be lost on you; on to of that, MM get's to retry it. Likewise the new President wasn't representing anything except the South Side of Chicago 4.5 years ago.

In the last three years, since she was not reappointed, I have yet to find any reference to legal work that she has done, unlike TdB or SPM.

I think you do have to ask about that three year gap; I won't, but it will come out. The googlepages don't help either and can open the door to some other things.

[puzzled]

MM...I mean BW is a CREEP!:biggrin:

[Politigal]

http://www.centredaily.com/116/story/1166824.html

[Serendipitous1]

mm...i mean bw is a creep!:biggrin:fyi: bw ≠ mm!

[Serendipitous1]

http://www.centredaily.com/116/story/1166824.htmlAlso: http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1164285.html

This is the normal legal process...he who alleges must prove...and I expect Judge McClure might dismiss MM and the county (unless Cantorna has found someone in CC with balls). If the judge keeps MM in, it will be a huge negative to his campaign for re-election. I would suggest it already is a huge negative, regardless of the federal suit.

But I am more interested in the AG's criminal probe of LM...and the possible interlocutories in regard to the federal suit. I doubt we will see anything from the AG's office this year...TC and MM are such buds. But LM and/or the LM matter has the potential to shed a lot of light all around Centre County's political underbelly.

[Serendipitous1]

I believe the posse of Democratic DA candidates can and should come down hard on MM...because they know (or should know) precisely what MM's tenure has meant in regard to solving the disappearance of Ray Gricar. The battlecry, "Anyone but Madeira", has a definite allure...even outside of Centre County circles.

[J. J. in Phila]

I believe the posse of Democratic DA candidates can and should come down hard on MM...because they know (or should know) precisely what MM's tenure has meant in regard to solving the disappearance of Ray Gricar. The battlecry, "Anyone but Madeira", has a definite allure...even outside of Centre County circles.

ABM is good, and justified, but the question is, "Who is best to make ABM happen?"

[Cloudbuster]

Im not eligable to vote as a countian but if I was voting my pick would go to Tony DeBoef. He reminds me of Ray, he has integrity and commands respect. Everything I've read- alot respect him. Of course JKA would also be a great canidate!!! Just my opinion if they want someone with the credibilty that Ray had, then IMO Tony has it. JKA's job to me should never be a issue. Now a days if you have a job you are lucky!!! My daddy taught me a lesson about that as a teenager. I was putting down garbage truck jobs. My dad flipped on me and told me that when I was a baby that he worked as one. He said" any job that someone takes to support ones self and others is NEVER to be looked down on."

I also think Tony would look into Ray's case. I think he would move it from the back burner to the front. I also have lots of faith that JKA would do the same. The only thing that worries me about JKA is if she calls a grand jury is it that we the board posters are the ones that get investagated lol? That would be more time lost. If she did do that I don't think I'd blame her though lol. Its just my thoughts only. If she gets in then I'd be happy also for her!!!!:smile:

[Cloudbuster]

I don't think JKA's job is a issue. Take a look at this:
http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/areas-january-unemployment-rate-lowest-in-the-state,95798/ink

Having a job right now would or could be a issue.

[J. J. in Phila]

I have been investigated, so I'm not worried. :)

One thing that does trouble me, regarding JKA is that during the campaign, she never called for a grand jury (which I can kind of understand). After the election, she never once called for a grand jury. She didn't show up at the press conference either.

I'd vote, overall, for Stacy Parks Miller. It's because:

A. She is phenomenal in court.

B. She has the most administrative experience of all the candidates (possibly including MM).

[Serendipitous1]

Im not eligable to vote as a countian but if I was voting my pick would go to Tony DeBoef. He reminds me of Ray, he has integrity and commands respect. Everything I've read- alot respect him. Of course JKA would also be a great canidate!!! Just my opinion if they want someone with the credibilty that Ray had, then IMO Tony has it. JKA's job to me should never be a issue. Now a days if you have a job you are lucky!!! My daddy taught me a lesson about that as a teenager. I was putting down garbage truck jobs. My dad flipped on me and told me that when I was a baby that he worked as one. He said" any job that someone takes to support ones self and others is NEVER to be looked down on."

I also think Tony would look into Ray's case. I think he would move it from the back burner to the front. I also have lots of faith that JKA would do the same. The only thing that worries me about JKA is if she calls a grand jury is it that we the board posters are the ones that get investagated lol? That would be more time lost. If she did do that I don't think I'd blame her though lol. Its just my thoughts only. If she gets in then I'd be happy also for her!!!!:smile:Have you googled "the beef"? I have, and I am not liking what I see...in terms of who might be best positioned to move the Gricar case forward.

[Serendipitous1]

I have been investigated, so I'm not worried. :)

One thing that does trouble me, regarding JKA is that during the campaign, she never called for a grand jury (which I can kind of understand). After the election, she never once called for a grand jury. She didn't show up at the press conference either.

I'd vote, overall, for Stacy Parks Miller. It's because:

A. She is phenomenal in court.

B. She has the most administrative experience of all the candidates (possibly including MM).C. She has demonstrated an outspoken concern for Ray Gricar's plight, without resorting to fantastic delusions.

D. She is the only candidate, including MM, who is not "tied at the hip" to Ray Gricar.

[J. J. in Phila]

C. She has demonstrated an outspoken concern for Ray Gricar's plight, without resorting to fantastic delusions.

D. She is the only candidate, including MM, who is not "tied at the hip" to Ray Gricar.


True, thought I don't have TdB on my "Inner Circle" list.

In all fairness to SPM, TdB, JKA, and MM, they are impressive in the courtroom; SPM might be the most impressive of all, but none are bad. I'm looking at administrative experience because most of the failings of MM are how he runs the office. SPM wins on that count.

[Serendipitous1]

True, thought I don't have TdB on my "Inner Circle" list.

In all fairness to SPM, TdB, JKA, and MM, they are impressive in the courtroom; SPM might be the most impressive of all, but none are bad. I'm looking at administrative experience because most of the failings of MM are how he runs the office. SPM wins on that count.FWIW, Stacy Parks Miller is the only logical candidate, IMO.

[J. J. in Phila]

FWIW, Stacy Parks Miller is the only logical candidate, IMO.


I would say the best choice, but the others are not bad choices.

[Politigal]

C. She has demonstrated an outspoken concern for Ray Gricar's plight, without resorting to fantastic delusions.

D. She is the only candidate, including MM, who is not "tied at the hip" to Ray Gricar.

Pls elaborate on the "fantastic delusions".....

[J. J. in Phila]

Pls elaborate on the "fantastic delusions".....


The "Court TV Conspiracy?"

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Candidates weigh in on St Patty's day issues

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1171740.html

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The "Court TV Conspiracy?"S1 thinks you may be onto something there. Don't know that S1 necessarily rejects everything in JKA's googlepages as being delusional, but he surely did marvel over Part III: D(1)(b) in particular...which seemed more than a few peanuts short of a full bag. But then, it seems to S1 that elephants are not all that discerning when it comes to snacks. Nostalgic moment...sorry!

[J. J. in Phila]

S1 thinks you may be onto something there. Don't know that S1 necessarily rejects everything in JKA's googlepages as being delusional, but he surely did marvel over Part III: D(1)(b) in particular...which seemed more than a few peanuts short of a full bag. But then, it seems to S1 that elephants are not all that discerning when it comes to snacks. Nostalgic moment...sorry!

Perhaps JKA was "dazzled" with my "amazing knowledge," or not, but there are a few problems. ;)

First, my real identity can be verified, by MM, SPM TdB, and the press (go figure). When it turns out that my secret source was Google, that might look too impressive in the conspiracy department.

Second, this conspiracy "mistakement" of JKA's may open the door to others.

Third, these are not even the real political problem JKA has.

[Serendipitous1]

Perhaps JKA was "dazzled" with my "amazing knowledge," or not, but there are a few problems. ;)

First, my real identity can be verified, by MM, SPM TdB, and the press (go figure). When it turns out that my secret source was Google, that might look too impressive in the conspiracy department.

Second, this conspiracy "mistakement" of JKA's may open the door to others.

Third, these are not even the real political problem JKA has.S1 thinks elephants follow their "noses" and, though perhaps initially confused by the aroma of roasted peanuts, do eventually figure out who is holding the bag. Though not an elephant, S1 thinks this could explain certain "undazzled" behavior.

[J. J. in Phila]

S1 thinks elephants follow their "noses" and, though perhaps initially confused by the aroma of roasted peanuts, do eventually figure out who is holding the bag. Though not an elephant, S1 thinks this could explain certain "undazzled" behavior.


J. J. in Phila thinks that an elephant will follow her twisting proboscis, often in the wrong direction, and ultimately step into puddles of mud.

J. J in Phila also thinks that some elephants should pay attention when the guy yells, "Peanuts, over here." :)

[Serendipitous1]

J. J. in Phila thinks that an elephant will follow her twisting proboscis, often in the wrong direction, and ultimately step into puddles of mud.

J. J in Phila also thinks that some elephants should pay attention when the guy yells, "Peanuts, over here." :)S1 thinks, "the man who haveth good peanuts and giveth his neighbor none...he sha'nt have any of my peanuts when his peanuts are gone." That is not "codespeak" Pgal...just a poor remembrance of a childhood ditty, but an elephantlike memory of PE...et al. I do so miss bantering with PE, et al. :closedeyes:

[J. J. in Phila]

S1 thinks, "the man who haveth good peanuts and giveth his neighbor none...he sha'nt have any of my peanuts when his peanuts are gone." That is not "codespeak" Pgal...just a poor remembrance of a childhood ditty, but an elephantlike memory of PE...et al. I do so miss bantering with PE, et al. :closedeyes:

J. J. in Phila thinks that there are not that many peanuts left. ;)

[Serendipitous1]

J. J. in Phila thinks that there are not that many peanuts left. ;)S1 thinks a full bag sits on the table...waiting for the right "elephant" to come along.

[J. J. in Phila]

S1 thinks a full bag sits on the table...waiting for the right "elephant" to come along.

Well, I can tell you that the police know everything I know, and I'm sure they know more than that.

[Serendipitous1]

Well, I can tell you that the police know everything I know, and I'm sure they know more than that."There's your sign"...which leaves your blog in never never land...I wish it could be otherwise, but it will never be.

[J. J. in Phila]

"There's your sign"...which leaves your blog in never never land...I wish it could be otherwise, but it will never be.


The one thing I've never heard from LE, publicly or privately, is if they checked for an alternate vehicle, or checked the "inner circle."

[Politigal]

S1 thinks, "the man who haveth good peanuts and giveth his neighbor none...he sha'nt have any of my peanuts when his peanuts are gone." That is not "codespeak" Pgal...just a poor remembrance of a childhood ditty, but an elephantlike memory of PE...et al. I do so miss bantering with PE, et al. :closedeyes:

ucksshay

:tongueside:

[Serendipitous1]

The one thing I've never heard from LE, publicly or privately, is if they checked for an alternate vehicle, or checked the "inner circle."Go with that then...and do not be victimized in the other matters. PB had his chance...and failed all of us, as has LE. I believe you are better than that.

[Serendipitous1]

ucksshay

:tongueside:I know...and quite right, I guess.

[puzzled]

So......does BW=DZ?? Humor me please...even if in private.:biggrin:

[Cloudbuster]

Have you googled "the beef"? I have, and I am not liking what I see...in terms of who might be best positioned to move the Gricar case forward.

S1 I must have missed something. Do you still have any of the links? Thanks!!

[Serendipitous1]

S1 I must have missed something. Do you still have any of the links? Thanks!!Yes, I do. (and I had to add the "yes" to my answer to satisfy some stupid minimum requirement here. I really wish there was some sensible alternative to this repressive forum).

[J. J. in Phila]

Go with that then...and do not be victimized in the other matters. PB had his chance...and failed all of us, as has LE. I believe you are better than that.

If it was not walkaway, it might be possible to rule it out (or at least nearly so, if LE just checks. (The might have.)

[Serendipitous1]

So......does BW=DZ?? Humor me please...even if in private.:biggrin:Definitely not DZ. I doubt he ever had control over anything...except for coddling the psychic(s).