Monday 2/23 Thread for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Here's a thread to start today, Lord willing, let Haleigh come home today!
Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

Thanks for the new thread beachpatty! :thumbsup:

you betcha, let's all hope and pray that LE can cut thru all the crap (& there sure is a ton of it) and bring Haleigh home TODAY!

my hinky meter also went off when i first heard the 911 call, something just not right or something missing, not the normal "my child is missing" first discovery call. it almost sounds like Ron was pizzed off about something else and then finding out that his daughter was missing just added insult to injury, like maybe Misty was busted coming in, just as he was getting home? i dunno, something just not right about that call.

beachpatty
moo

good morning everyone, thanx so much for keeping this thread up to date and current, it's much easier to come here and find out the latest than it is to search media reports and links.

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[Katt2]

One little thing that has bothered me is the fact that Ron is adamant that he locked the door when he went to work and someone had to have broken in. But...there is evidence that Misty had company that evening so she had to have unlocked the door to let them in. So what time did Ron go to work? I have been searching for a statement that Neves made that she was there at 7:00 pm and saw Haleigh and Jr eating dinner but I can't seem to find it now. Did I imagine seeing or hearing this?

[Barbara fl.]

you betcha, let's all hope and pray that LE can cut thru all the crap (& there sure is a ton of it) and bring Haleigh home TODAY!

my hinky meter also went off when i first heard the 911 call, something just not right or something missing, not the normal "my child is missing" first discovery call. it almost sounds like Ron was pizzed off about something else and then finding out that his daughter was missing just added insult to injury, like maybe Misty was busted coming in, just as he was getting home? i dunno, something just not right about that call.

beachpatty
moo

good morning everyone, thanx so much for keeping this thread up to date and current, it's much easier to come here and find out the latest than it is to search media reports and links.



I personally think the call was exactly the way a parent would be acting when they have a child that is discovered missing.....I find nothing wrong with the fathers behavior at all....Had he acted any different, it would have been looked upon also as doing something wrong....(like never reporting your child missing)....

The police acted appropriately also in asking for polygraphs to be taken immediately, so that they can be ruled out....(for which the father did not hesitate to take)....Had he refused, I would have been suspiscious...I see him as a worried father (understandably so) ...he doesn't know who has his daughter and what is happening to his daughter....that is enough to kill a parent.....

I think bio mom is taking this opportunity to down Ron...(obviously bad blood between them)...I do not think that either parent is responsible for Haleigh missing.....but I'll take my chance on Ron being more fit.....and the courts must have thought so also.....

[bluwaters]

Amber Alert -- Haleigh Reward Upped To $20,000
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

Police Follow 1,600 Leads In Haleigh Case
Family Says Fake Web Site Created About Girl To Make Money
http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

Missing girl's family maintains vigil outside her home
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090223/ARTICLES/902231003/1002/NEWS01?Title=Missing-girl-s-family-maintains-vigil-outside-her-home

Cummings family and Misty Croslin
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-family-and-Misty-Croslin/HCsN5YWkfUKmnAIuaH_ETA.cspx

Geraldo Rivera ordered to leave scene of Cummings family interview
http://staugustine.com/stories/022309/news_022309_032.shtml

[playnice]

I heard her say something about dropping off clothes for the kids. Misti's cousin and kids were there. I also heard LE answer a reporter that Ron was at work. So to me it seems Ron has a solid alibi.

[Barbara fl.]

One little thing that has bothered me is the fact that Ron is adamant that he locked the door when he went to work and someone had to have broken in. But...there is evidence that Misty had company that evening so she had to have unlocked the door to let them in. So what time did Ron go to work? I have been searching for a statement that Neves made that she was there at 7:00 pm and saw Haleigh and Jr eating dinner but I can't seem to find it now. Did I imagine seeing or hearing this?


Ron was talking about the back door being locked...he said that the door had only been unlocked twice since they have lived there...and that the back door stayed locked and that he always checked it....If the back door was opened, it had to have been opened by Misty, or whom ever she had at the house while Ron was at work.....If it showed no singes of forced entry, then it can be assumed that someone opened from the inside.....

I still feel that Misty isn't being totally forthcoming.....I think that either she went out and left the children alone or that she had company that she shouldn't have had at the house....JMOO

[Barbara fl.]

I heard her say something about dropping off clothes for the kids. Misti's cousin and kids were there. I also heard LE answer a reporter that Ron was at work. So to me it seems Ron has a solid alibi.


I believe that he is the ONLY one with a solid alibi.......We know someone took the child...and we heard that someone took the child while a caretaker was with the child.....it was also said that the childs cloths were changed because the shirt that she wore to bed was in the back room near the back door.....a light was on in the kitchen and a cynder block was propped up against the back door to keep it open....

That all sounds very odd to me....How someone could sleep thru all that is beyond me......jmoo

[Katt2]

Ron was talking about the back door being locked...he said that the door had only been unlocked twice since they have lived there...and that the back door stayed locked and that he always checked it....If the back door was opened, it had to have been opened by Misty, or whom ever she had at the house while Ron was at work.....If it showed no singes of forced entry, then it can be assumed that someone opened from the inside.....

I still feel that Misty isn't being totally forthcoming.....I think that either she went out and left the children alone or that she had company that she shouldn't have had at the house....JMOO

Thank you for clearing that up for me. And I agree about Misty and there is more than what she is telling. I know she is trying to save herself but there may be an important clue in there as to a time if she was away from the home at any point.

[Texas48]

Here's a thread to start today, Lord willing, let Haleigh come home today!
BeachpattyGood Morning to ALL and TY for starting today's thread. How many times has the statement been made "let Haleigh come home today".."Let ________ come home today". Childrens names time and time again. Why are BABIES/CHILDREN always the target just because they are helpless and defenseless? ENOUGH is ENOUGH imo.

[playnice]

I believe that he is the ONLY one with a solid alibi.......We know someone took the child...and we heard that someone took the child while a caretaker was with the child.....it was also said that the childs cloths were changed because the shirt that she wore to bed was in the back room near the back door.....a light was on in the kitchen and a cynder block was propped up against the back door to keep it open....

That all sounds very odd to me....How someone could sleep thru all that is beyond me......jmoo

They could have used a cc to get in and propped it open so they could grab and run.
Hayleigh could have been trying on the clothes that were given to them earlier and Misti wasnt paying attention that she changed them. She seems sure the kidnapper changed her clothes. No way would a kidnapper take time to change clothes. Heck they may as well just go ahead and pack her a suitcase too. This the part that really makes me question Misti's story.

[spageddy]

I agree, Barbara, but I just cannot understand why she continues to cover her own azz- if that's what she's doing- while Haleigh is still missing. I would think that by now she would realize that whatever she may or may not have done is not as important as finding Haleigh.

[Texas48]

you betcha, let's all hope and pray that LE can cut thru all the crap (& there sure is a ton of it) and bring Haleigh home TODAY!

my hinky meter also went off when i first heard the 911 call, something just not right or something missing, not the normal "my child is missing" first discovery call. it almost sounds like Ron was pizzed off about something else and then finding out that his daughter was missing just added insult to injury, like maybe Misty was busted coming in, just as he was getting home? i dunno, something just not right about that call.

beachpatty
moo

good morning everyone, thanx so much for keeping this thread up to date and current, it's much easier to come here and find out the latest than it is to search media reports and links. ITA with the 911 call. Just instinct but enough of us on the boards have followed many cases and we are most of the time correct about what we feel about certain things. Usually if something doesn't make sense..it is not true. The 911 call is very interesting to say the least. Not by what was said but w/Misty waiting to call. jmo

[jerry50]

I heard her say something about dropping off clothes for the kids. Misti's cousin and kids were there. I also heard LE answer a reporter that Ron was at work. So to me it seems Ron has a solid alibi.

Ron has a solid alibi for the time that he and Misti claim Haleigh went missing. It is just Misti and Ron's word that says Haleigh was there when Ron left for work. For all we know something could have happened before Ron left for work and the kidnap story is a coverup.

[playnice]

Ron has a solid alibi for the time that he and Misti claim Haleigh went missing. It is just Misti and Ron's word that says Haleigh was there when Ron left for work. For all we know something could have happened before Ron left for work and the kidnap story is a coverup.

I understood there was people there After Ron went to work.:confused:

[Barbara fl.]

They could have used a cc to get in and propped it open so they could grab and run.
Hayleigh could have been trying on the clothes that were given to them earlier and Misti wasnt paying attention that she changed them. She seems sure the kidnapper changed her clothes. No way would a kidnapper take time to change clothes. Heck they may as well just go ahead and pack her a suitcase too. This the part that really makes me question Misti's story.


It doesn't make too much sense....it could have been that she forgot what Haleigh had on when she went to sleep...I tried thinking what pajamas my granddaughter had on while she was in the next room sleeping and I couldn't remember...but that's just me (I'm old and forgetful)......

But too much of what Misty is saying that doesn't add up...too much doesn't make sense.....I think she is affraid to tell the truth....JMOO

[Texas48]

One little thing that has bothered me is the fact that Ron is adamant that he locked the door when he went to work and someone had to have broken in. But...there is evidence that Misty had company that evening so she had to have unlocked the door to let them in. So what time did Ron go to work? I have been searching for a statement that Neves made that she was there at 7:00 pm and saw Haleigh and Jr eating dinner but I can't seem to find it now. Did I imagine seeing or hearing this?Katt..I heard that Ron went to work at 3pm or so..Can not find where I saw it though. ITA w/you about the back door. Ron swears he locked it deadbolt and all. Would take an adult to have opened it from the inside unless Haleigh stood on a chair and unlocked it herself which I will never believe. This baby was scared of the dark. You are right about what Neves stated so whatever happened was btw 7p-3:27am. Misty has the answers. jmo

[Texas48]

Ron has a solid alibi for the time that he and Misti claim Haleigh went missing. It is just Misti and Ron's word that says Haleigh was there when Ron left for work. For all we know something could have happened before Ron left for work and the kidnap story is a coverup.I agree..Ron has an alibi at work. And there is Neves saying she was there around 7pm and saw both children. IF Neves story is right then whatever happened did so after she left but I have not seen how long she stayed. Too many unanswered questions as usual...Puzzle pieces is what we have once again.jmo:confused::confused:

[Peaches]

Ron has a solid alibi for the time that he and Misti claim Haleigh went missing. It is just Misti and Ron's word that says Haleigh was there when Ron left for work. For all we know something could have happened before Ron left for work and the kidnap story is a coverup.



Ron at work

People coming by...........or do you not believe them

I do think that Misty had something to do with or knows more than she is saying. I do not trust her. She was gone for 3 days partying and Ron went after her ----------- so he would have someone to watch his children or -------------- anyway, looking at her eyes you can tell that she has been using drugs (at least it seems to me that way and another poster said that her relative a MD said that too by looking at her eyes)

Maybe whoever drives that white van we have heard about holds the answer. Misty said her blanket was in it...........why? Was she out there with someon while the chilren were inside alone?

Too many questions.

But, I am praying that Ron did not have anything to do with his child's disappearance. I just do not think that he did. His grief seems REAL to me.

[Susie419]

I'm thinking perhaps Misty had male company for the evening, while Ron was at work, and he left by way of the back door, perhaps after Misty passed out stoned or drunk and this person saw little Haleigh and decided to prop the back door and carry her off with him.
Then Misty awakened to find her company gone, Haleigh gone, and back door opened, with Ron coming home from work.
Out of fear of Ron and gettting found out that she was entertaining someone, she clammed up and won't talk.
That's about the only thing that makes sense to me.:angry:
Cops need to "squeeze" Misty til she talks.:mad:

[Texas48]

It doesn't make too much sense....it could have been that she forgot what Haleigh had on when she went to sleep...I tried thinking what pajamas my granddaughter had on while she was in the next room sleeping and I couldn't remember...but that's just me (I'm old and forgetful)......

But too much of what Misty is saying that doesn't add up...too much doesn't make sense.....I think she is affraid to tell the truth....JMOOMorning Barbara. Yea..here we are taking on another heartbeaking case and I had prromised myself after the NE case that I was done...then Caylee stole my heart and could not let go..Promised myself once again after Caylee was found that I was done..Bottom line of my story..Will not make promises any more.lol..ITA w/Misty. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I understood there was people there After Ron went to work.:confused:

Misty said that the only people who were there that day is her brother w/his children and the A/C guy. We have heard that the A/C guy was cleared early on. We have yet to hear any confirmation from LE that Misty's brother was there or if he has too been cleared.

Last week Ron's mom said that she sent "a family member" over there to "check on the kids and drop off some clothes". She didn't name the family member, however, Ron's grandmother says it was her and that Haleigh and Jr. were eating on the front porch. This was around 7 p.m. This was also in response to the "tip" that Misty wasn't there that night and Ron's mother believes she was - "up until that point" is the disclaimer that she used.

Again, Misty never mentions the grandmother, only her brother and the A/C guy and Ron's mom only mentions the grandmother last week. To the media anyway.

LE has never confirmed whether Haleigh was at school or not on that Monday.

LE hasn't confirmed any visitors to the house, including the great grand-mother (with the exception of the A/C guy).

LE does say that "Ron was at work" but not what time he left or what time he clocked in or whether he was there the whole time.

LE hasn't confirmed a lot of things that we have heard from the media and from Ron, Misty, Teresa Neves, Crystal Sheffield, et al.

I have a feeling that's going to change this week.

JMO only.

[Armchairdet]

Katt..I heard that Ron went to work at 3pm or so..Can not find where I saw it though. ITA w/you about the back door. Ron swears he locked it deadbolt and all. Would take an adult to have opened it from the inside unless Haleigh stood on a chair and unlocked it herself which I will never believe. This baby was scared of the dark. You are right about what Neves stated so whatever happened was btw 7p-3:27am. Misty has the answers. jmo


Good morning everyone.


Yes Haleigh is afraid of the dark, however the kitchen light was on, so inside it was not dark. Was there a street light? Full moon? I am not saying I think Haleigh unlocked the door, however I think it is possible if she was feeling safe and secure inside the house. Do they have a cat she wanted to let in? Was there a favorite toy left outside? I know we don't have these answers. I am just saying I think there is a small chance she would unlock the door.

But if she did then the question is what happened after that? Was there someone going around checking for unlocked doors, and children they could take? I just don't think so. I think Haleigh was the target. So then the question is did she unlock the door for someone she knew? I mean a kid might not be as afraid of the dark with hearing the voice of a trusted adult. The other possibility is a guest unlocked the door. I am sure LE has asked the visitors that day.

Today is a good day for a miracle.

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning to ALL and TY for starting today's thread. How many times has the statement been made "let Haleigh come home today".."Let ________ come home today". Childrens names time and time again. Why are BABIES/CHILDREN always the target just because they are helpless and defenseless? ENOUGH is ENOUGH imo.



Oh, I so very much agree with you....I look back to the days when I was little, I played outside all the time....I came in for dinner....no one ever bothered you....Just yesterday, my granddaughter who is 11 years old, went into a store while I waited in the car right outside...an elderly man looked over to my granddaughter while she was getting out of the car and he also looked over to me...I didn't pay it much attention until my granddaughter came out and told me that a man was walking behind her in the store and changed check out lanes when she went to a shorter line...."it was the same man that had looked over to her when she was getting out of the car"...she said she got an uneasy feeling.....needless to say from now on I will go into the store with her to buy her candy.....

It's terrible that children can not even go outside to play anymore, unless a grownup is with them....The laws need to be stricter on these pervs....they let them out to do it again and again....I'd rather have a mugger on the street then a child molester.....at least an adult can protect themselves...but children can not.....it is so sad.....

[Texas48]

Ron at work

People coming by...........or do you not believe them

I do think that Misty had something to do with or knows more than she is saying. I do not trust her. She was gone for 3 days partying and Ron went after her ----------- so he would have someone to watch his children or -------------- anyway, looking at her eyes you can tell that she has been using drugs (at least it seems to me that way and another poster said that her relative a MD said that too by looking at her eyes)

Maybe whoever drives that white van we have heard about holds the answer. Misty said her blanket was in it...........why? Was she out there with someon while the chilren were inside alone?

Too many questions.

But, I am praying that Ron did not have anything to do with his child's disappearance. I just do not think that he did. His grief seems REAL to me.We always seem to have QUESTION and few answers. With the GREAT Detective Posters we have we can ususally get the answers (opinions) which come pretty close to the truth of a case. Just takes a little time but our posters are the best so it will start coming together soon. And, I always believe LE/FBI gets the answers they are after. I just hope all will give honest answers and not hinder LE like other cases we have seen. jmo

[Motomom]

I personally think the call was exactly the way a parent would be acting when they have a child that is discovered missing.....I find nothing wrong with the fathers behavior at all....Had he acted any different, it would have been looked upon also as doing something wrong....(like never reporting your child missing)....

The police acted appropriately also in asking for polygraphs to be taken immediately, so that they can be ruled out....(for which the father did not hesitate to take)....Had he refused, I would have been suspiscious...I see him as a worried father (understandably so) ...he doesn't know who has his daughter and what is happening to his daughter....that is enough to kill a parent.....

I think bio mom is taking this opportunity to down Ron...(obviously bad blood between them)...I do not think that either parent is responsible for Haleigh missing.....but I'll take my chance on Ron being more fit.....and the courts must have thought so also.....


I agree with everything you've said here barb. I hope they find her. I think she is alive. I'm holding out hope that she is alive. I don't think Ron is as bad as some people are making him out, especially the scorned Crystal. I find it in extremely bad taste her spouting off to the media. IMO an attempt to make herself look better. IMO it's making her look worse. If anything she says, or her mother says is true, they should have taken that to the LE and LE only IMO.

[Motomom]

Ron has a solid alibi for the time that he and Misti claim Haleigh went missing. It is just Misti and Ron's word that says Haleigh was there when Ron left for work. For all we know something could have happened before Ron left for work and the kidnap story is a coverup.

I thought Ron's mom was over there at some point in the night and saw misty and the kids?

[Texas48]

Good Morning Everyone!

This is incredible. You have to look at this video interview with Greta again. I found this on the web last night. Someone ran the video with captions. You can see Ron coaching Misty to give the answers. I was flappergasted at the obvious, which when it originally was broadcast I hadn't noticed.

Tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8XvmcMorning to you and you are right about the coaching job Ron did. I/several other poters noticed it. ANOTHER strange case from the start and here we go again. I can only imagine what LE/FBI has to deal with. IMO..Answers are within Misty. Maybe that is why LE took her to HQ without Ron to question.jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Good Morning Everyone!

This is incredible. You have to look at this video interview with Greta again. I found this on the web last night. Someone ran the video with captions. You can see Ron coaching Misty to give the answers. I was flappergasted at the obvious, which when it originally was broadcast I hadn't noticed.

Tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Misty says in this video that she uses the back door to take out garbage.

From other interviews, she admits to "cleaning, washing the blanket, and taking out the garbage".

ETA: Once again, she never mentions the great grandmother who supposedly dropped off the clothes.

[Motomom]

I read some where that she was there at 7:00 pm. jmo

I do think Misty may know more than she's saying..or not. I'm not sure, she's definitly suspect in my book. However, I don't think she hurt her, or killed her. I think they would have found her body by now had she done anything to her.

You never know people..it's tha simple. Doesn't matter who it is, we see it day in and day out, good people go bad etc..

I am not living my life in fear. I allow my children outside to play. I do not think that it is worse now, then it was before. I think it is just reported now, more than it ever was. Crimes against children have been around since children have been around..forever. We can only do our best to keep our children safe IMO and that doesn't mean, for me, locking them up inside.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with everything you've said here barb. I hope they find her. I think she is alive. I'm holding out hope that she is alive. I don't think Ron is as bad as some people are making him out, especially the scorned Crystal. I find it in extremely bad taste her spouting off to the media. IMO an attempt to make herself look better. IMO it's making her look worse. If anything she says, or her mother says is true, they should have taken that to the LE and LE only IMO.


I too, for some strange reason, think that Haleigh is still alive...I pray that they find her and bring her home.....We have had a few return alive...I hope and pray she is one of them.....

[Texas48]

I'm thinking perhaps Misty had male company for the evening, while Ron was at work, and he left by way of the back door, perhaps after Misty passed out stoned or drunk and this person saw little Haleigh and decided to prop the back door and carry her off with him.
Then Misty awakened to find her company gone, Haleigh gone, and back door opened, with Ron coming home from work.
Out of fear of Ron and gettting found out that she was entertaining someone, she clammed up and won't talk.
That's about the only thing that makes sense to me.:angry:
Cops need to "squeeze" Misty til she talks.:mad:ITA w/your thoughts/opinions Susie. Ron was very certain he ALWAYS made sure HE locked the backdoor w/deadbolt EVERYTIME he went to work.He even said deadbolt was high enough so Haleigh could not reach it. Does NOT mean Misty did not unlock the door and even prop it open w/block so she would get back in. Said it many time but will say again..Misty has the answers.jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I'm thinking perhaps Misty had male company for the evening, while Ron was at work, and he left by way of the back door, perhaps after Misty passed out stoned or drunk and this person saw little Haleigh and decided to prop the back door and carry her off with him.
Then Misty awakened to find her company gone, Haleigh gone, and back door opened, with Ron coming home from work.
Out of fear of Ron and gettting found out that she was entertaining someone, she clammed up and won't talk.
That's about the only thing that makes sense to me.:angry:
Cops need to "squeeze" Misty til she talks.:mad:


sounds probable....something went very wrong that night and I believe that Misty is not telling all, out of fear.....

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning Everyone!

This is incredible. You have to look at this video interview with Greta again. I found this on the web last night. Someone ran the video with captions. You can see Ron coaching Misty to give the answers. I was flappergasted at the obvious, which when it originally was broadcast I hadn't noticed.

Tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc


Thank you for posting that video Swarvie!! I saw that interview in real time and was struck how misty looks more like ronald's daughter sitting there, then his girlfriend.

Her responses to Greta's questions were infuriating to me, I wanted to slap the answers out of her.

Ronald's coaching was very apparent.

Why was he coaching?

[grammie/va]

Good Morning Everyone!

This is incredible. You have to look at this video interview with Greta again. I found this on the web last night. Someone ran the video with captions. You can see Ron coaching Misty to give the answers. I was flappergasted at the obvious, which when it originally was broadcast I hadn't noticed.

Tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

I listened to this twice and in my opinion who ever put the captions put them up saying what they thought not for sure what was happening. But that is thier opinion , but without thier interpertation I don't think it went that way. JMHOO

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Everyone!

This is incredible. You have to look at this video interview with Greta again. I found this on the web last night. Someone ran the video with captions. You can see Ron coaching Misty to give the answers. I was flappergasted at the obvious, which when it originally was broadcast I hadn't noticed.

Tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Coaching her, yes, for sure, and more so, he seemed to be wincing(sp) when she said something that was quite exactly right with what he or they had scripted, prior to that (or any) interview. Misty's eyes look like she is either lying or withholding information, she looks very young and very scared, she stumbles over her answers like she is trying to remember and his attempt at coaching is very obvious. You can see it rise up in him with the bed distance question, he didn't know where exactly they were sleeping but he seemed compelled butt in with the more "exact" difference, after Misty seemed to stumble over the question.
Watching closely, you can see that Greta was taken aback by the obvious coaching, especially when Ron jumped in to answer a question she had clearly directed to Misty.

Beachpatty

[destiny1]

Coaching her, yes, for sure, and more so, he seemed to be wincing(sp) when she said something that was quite exactly right with what he or they had scripted, prior to that (or any) interview. Misty's eyes look like she is either lying or withholding information, she looks very young and very scared, she stumbles over her answers like she is trying to remember and his attempt at coaching is very obvious. You can see it rise up in him with the bed distance question, he didn't know where exactly they were sleeping but he seemed compelled butt in with the more "exact" difference, after Misty seemed to stumble over the question.
Watching closely, you can see that Greta was taken aback by the obvious coaching, especially when Ron jumped in to answer a question she had clearly directed to Misty.

Beachpatty

Just remember, not only is Misty young and uneducated, but so is Ron, and they live under a different code and in a different world than the mainstream. He is the man, so to speak, and he is going to have some sort of control.

[Texas48]

Misty said that the only people who were there that day is her brother w/his children and the A/C guy. We have heard that the A/C guy was cleared early on. We have yet to hear any confirmation from LE that Misty's brother was there or if he has too been cleared.

Last week Ron's mom said that she sent "a family member" over there to "check on the kids and drop off some clothes". She didn't name the family member, however, Ron's grandmother says it was her and that Haleigh and Jr. were eating on the front porch. This was around 7 p.m. This was also in response to the "tip" that Misty wasn't there that night and Ron's mother believes she was - "up until that point" is the disclaimer that she used.

Again, Misty never mentions the grandmother, only her brother and the A/C guy and Ron's mom only mentions the grandmother last week. To the media anyway.

LE has never confirmed whether Haleigh was at school or not on that Monday.

LE hasn't confirmed any visitors to the house, including the great grand-mother (with the exception of the A/C guy).

LE does say that "Ron was at work" but not what time he left or what time he clocked in or whether he was there the whole time.

LE hasn't confirmed a lot of things that we have heard from the media and from Ron, Misty, Teresa Neves, Crystal Sheffield, et al.

I have a feeling that's going to change this week.

JMO only.Usually I have alot to say(I tend to talk more than most) but I have one thing to say to your post...ITA..

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Praying this child is found soon....

Something just not right about all of this..imo

[odyssey]

I wish Haleigh would be found so much.

Barring that I pray, after the fiasco(s) this weekend, that LE comes out and says something that will put some of these horrid meanspirited rumours to rest, or affirm them. I am so tired of reading such awful things from people who don't know these people and have never been in their shoes.

[Texas48]

Good morning everyone.


Yes Haleigh is afraid of the dark, however the kitchen light was on, so inside it was not dark. Was there a street light? Full moon? I am not saying I think Haleigh unlocked the door, however I think it is possible if she was feeling safe and secure inside the house. Do they have a cat she wanted to let in? Was there a favorite toy left outside? I know we don't have these answers. I am just saying I think there is a small chance she would unlock the door.

But if she did then the question is what happened after that? Was there someone going around checking for unlocked doors, and children they could take? I just don't think so. I think Haleigh was the target. So then the question is did she unlock the door for someone she knew? I mean a kid might not be as afraid of the dark with hearing the voice of a trusted adult. The other possibility is a guest unlocked the door. I am sure LE has asked the visitors that day.

Today is a good day for a miracle.I pray you are right about a MIRACLE but I disagree about Haleigh unlocking the door. Ron said the deadbolt lock was high so that Haleigh could not reach it so did she push a chair up so she could unlock it? IMO..NO..And IF Haleigh heard a "trusting" voice then why did not MIsty hear the voice? jmo as always

[destiny1]

I pray you are right about a MIRACLE but I disagree about Haleigh unlocking the door. Ron said the deadbolt lock was high so that Haleigh could not reach it so did she push a chair up so she could unlock it? IMO..NO..And IF Haleigh heard a "trusting" voice then why did not MIsty hear the voice? jmo as always


I disagree about her unlocking the deadbolt too. since she was said to be afraid of the dark, I can't see her wandering around the house at night at all.

[*Spike*]

hi, i'm bringing my post over from the other thread that was closed this morning because it might have been missed by some. its really not important but some may want to read it. and here's another one of mine.


02-23-2009, 06:03 AM
Originally Posted by *Spike*
i think Misty knows something about Haleigh or did something to Haleigh.
i also believe Ron is Mentally & Physically Abusive to women. he has no respect for females. JMO


02-23-2009, 04:49 AM
Originally Posted by *Spike*
i think he's (Ron) as bad as the peds IMO. adult men that seek relationships with underage girls do it for some sick reasons such as control for one. its easier to have control over a child & be a boss to her. an adult womam is more likely to stand up to him & not back down. i'm sorry but i think this guy is no good. i feel really bad that his little girl is missing but i dont care for this guy at all. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Yes RR, thats what I was thinking but couldn't put to words. I see him helping her to "spit it out".
I also think he knows the bed difference wasn't 3 to 4 inches but feet.
jmo



That's how I see it also...Misty seems to have missed some days at school.....but I wont blame her for that....it's obvious that this young lady was neglected herself......I believe that she didn't know the difference between inches and feet.....and Ron was trying to help her out a little.......

[Texas48]

Oh, I so very much agree with you....I look back to the days when I was little, I played outside all the time....I came in for dinner....no one ever bothered you....Just yesterday, my granddaughter who is 11 years old, went into a store while I waited in the car right outside...an elderly man looked over to my granddaughter while she was getting out of the car and he also looked over to me...I didn't pay it much attention until my granddaughter came out and told me that a man was walking behind her in the store and changed check out lanes when she went to a shorter line...."it was the same man that had looked over to her when she was getting out of the car"...she said she got an uneasy feeling.....needless to say from now on I will go into the store with her to buy her candy.....

It's terrible that children can not even go outside to play anymore, unless a grownup is with them....The laws need to be stricter on these pervs....they let them out to do it again and again....I'd rather have a mugger on the street then a child molester.....at least an adult can protect themselves...but children can not.....it is so sad..... SAD is the only word to describe what has happened to society and to our children. Just like you my brother and sisters played outside without fear. NOW..parents/grandparents are in constant fear for our babies. We now have to talk to our children at an early age about subjects that they should not have to be faced/hear about. They young lives should be FUN. Parents/grandparents have to be constantly aware of everyone even our neighbors. I give your grandchild credit for paying attention and noticing this person and telling you about it. So many kids are to busy and pay no attention to what is going on aroung them (not they SHOULD be but they HAVE to be) Our country has to come up with a solution to SAVE our children. Predeters should NEVER get out of prision or better yet..JMO..get the DP for hurting our babies. I am sick of hearing "insanity" "disturbed" "needs help".on and on to describe a monster. jmo:cursing:

[odyssey]

That's how I see it also...Misty seems to have missed some days at school.....but I wont blame her for that....it's obvious that this young lady was neglected herself......I believe that she didn't know the difference between inches and feet.....and Ron was trying to help her out a little.......

She said in that interview that the distance between her and Haleigh was about the width of the two chairs ( in the interview )put together so to me it was clear what she meant by the distance no matter what she called it. And that was feet not inches. I don't get the big deal.

[beachpatty]

I found this site link on a forum I belong to, it is made by an 11 year old girl and it appears to be legitimate, stating donations go thru Bank of America and proper contact info for tips, etc. There are some very nasty comments made, regarding the site, in the guestbook comments. I do think it's sweet and she also mentions and has address info, if anyone wants to send a teddy bear for Junior.

http://www.findhaleigh.com/home.html

[Barbara fl.]

I wish Haleigh would be found so much.

Barring that I pray, after the fiasco(s) this weekend, that LE comes out and says something that will put some of these horrid meanspirited rumours to rest, or affirm them. I am so tired of reading such awful things from people who don't know these people and have never been in their shoes.




My heart will go out to all of them because I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.....and I pray I never will be...

I truly do not believe that anyone of the parents or misty were involved in Haleigh missing......but I believe that Misty might have indirectly been involved.....by possibly having the wrong people in the house or by slipping out......(which would all be nomal behavior for a 17 year old)....

The culprit who took Haleigh needs to be found....and hopefully this person didn't kill her...anything else can be fixed.....she needs to be home with her family....

[saydeezmom]

I think Misty did leave the kids that night.
I think she propped the door open so she can get back in before Ron got home.(b/c it was in the back)
I think Haleigh had an accident and got up looking for Misty.
I think she changed her pjs or panties herself.(found clothes gr-grandma brought)
I think with her wet blanket she went out looking for Misty. She spent a lot of time with Misty and knew her habits. (like taking out the garbage, going out for a smoke etc)
Maybe whoever left Misty that night; took Haleigh so she wouldn't say that person had been there but without Misty knowing.
Maybe Haleigh wandered to the water since Misty did take them there that day, (IIRC) and could not find her way back.
Just a lot of maybe's...Sorry if someone already came up with this theory. I am still stuck lurking on Caylee case.

I think Misty knows more too.

have a great day everyone

[playnice]

I hope there is a big break in the case today and alot of speculation and rumors confirmed or denied.
I dont think Ron or Crystal had anything to do with Hayleighs disappearance.
I dont think Misti hurt her. Im very undecided about Misti otherwise.

[Barbara fl.]

She said in that interview that the distance between her and Haleigh was about the width of the two chairs ( in the interview )put together so to me it was clear what she meant by the distance no matter what she called it. And that was feet not inches. I don't get the big deal.



I agree. I do not see the big deal.....

[IlliniFan]

Is there a presser scheduled for this morning, not that we learn very much...

tia

[march27]

Hi everyone is there a pc today?

[march27]

Is there a presser scheduled for this morning, not that we learn very much...

tia


Lol you read my mind

[Barbara fl.]

SAD is the only word to describe what has happened to society and to our children. Just like you my brother and sisters played outside without fear. NOW..parents/grandparents are in constant fear for our babies. We now have to talk to our children at an early age about subjects that they should not have to be faced/hear about. They young lives should be FUN. Parents/grandparents have to be constantly aware of everyone even our neighbors. I give your grandchild credit for paying attention and noticing this person and telling you about it. So many kids are to busy and pay no attention to what is going on aroung them (not they SHOULD be but they HAVE to be) Our country has to come up with a solution to SAVE our children. Predeters should NEVER get out of prision or better yet..JMO..get the DP for hurting our babies. I am sick of hearing "insanity" "disturbed" "needs help".on and on to describe a monster. jmo:cursing:



Your opinion is so correct....it seems to be open season on our children...I agree with the DP when a child is hurt like this.....or at the very least LWP....they should never again be allowed to walk our streets......When I hear that so many predators are in our neighborhoods, it sickens me....and puts me in so much fear for our children......

Thank you for your post...

[Hopeintown]

She said in that interview that the distance between her and Haleigh was about the width of the two chairs ( in the interview )put together so to me it was clear what she meant by the distance no matter what she called it. And that was feet not inches. I don't get the big deal.


That interview was just as strange to me as the 911 call was.

No matter if Misty didn't understand width, when Greta asked her to show her with her hands, Ron still intervened.

Misty was supposedly there in the room, surely anyone would be able to show with their hands or arms, with two chairs present on exactly how far away Haleigh slept without someone correcting them.

[VC2]

I listened to this twice and in my opinion who ever put the captions put them up saying what they thought not for sure what was happening. But that is thier opinion , but without thier interpertation I don't think it went that way. JMHOO

ITA grammy!

[IlliniFan]

Lol you read my mind


haha yep. Well I hope we hear something if there is one. Not only are most of us disappointed after the PC's, but it sounds like the press is upset with what little info LE gives at these pressers...


But if putting out info will hurt the investigation, then so be it. It's tough knowing nothing.

[Rick777]

As if everything said by anybody isn't a proven lie at some point during this case, it now seems Ron may not have been the one that picked Haleigh up from the school bus the day she vanished.


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



Another scenerio, and once again two stories.

Who picked her up?

[Britney]

Rewatched some of the tapes from the beginning of the program. I had much more confidence in LE when the Putnam County Sheriff and the Major were providing the public with information.

The current press conferences are not cutting it. Need to get the white headed guy and the FDLE off the air and go with the Putnam officials who seemed much more concerned and caring.

[Britney]

Why does everything think the kidnapper came in through the back door. iMO, he could have entered through an unlocked front door (crime of opportunity), and left through the back door.

[Texas48]

:thumbsup:I think Misty did leave the kids that night.
I think she propped the door open so she can get back in before Ron got home.(b/c it was in the back)
I think Haleigh had an accident and got up looking for Misty.
I think she changed her pjs or panties herself.(found clothes gr-grandma brought)
I think with her wet blanket she went out looking for Misty. She spent a lot of time with Misty and knew her habits. (like taking out the garbage, going out for a smoke etc)
Maybe whoever left Misty that night; took Haleigh so she wouldn't say that person had been there but without Misty knowing.
Maybe Haleigh wandered to the water since Misty did take them there that day, (IIRC) and could not find her way back.
Just a lot of maybe's...Sorry if someone already came up with this theory. I am still stuck lurking on Caylee case.

I think Misty knows more too.

have a great day everyoneLove a post where it makes one THINK. Great post.

[crymeariver2006]

Why does everything think the kidnapper came in through the back door. iMO, he could have entered through an unlocked front door (crime of opportunity), and left through the back door.

For me, I'm not so sure there's a kidnapper at all, doors notwithstanding.

But that's just me.

[kitty1182]

As if everything said by anybody isn't a proven lie at some point during this case, it now seems Ron may not have been the one that picked Haleigh up from the school bus the day she vanished.


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



Another scenerio, and once again two stories.

Who picked her up?

I thought Ron said he picked her up:confused:

[aproudmom]

I found this site link on a forum I belong to, it is made by an 11 year old girl and it appears to be legitimate, stating donations go thru Bank of America and proper contact info for tips, etc. There are some very nasty comments made, regarding the site, in the guestbook comments. I do think it's sweet and she also mentions and has address info, if anyone wants to send a teddy bear for Junior.

http://www.findhaleigh.com/home.html



I just thought I would post this and if anyone wanted to donate maybe look into it more or email the person below. Its sad these days you can't trust anyone so I am not saying it is not a real site or someone just making it saying it is a 11yr old child.:confused:




Date February 21, 2009
Name barbi squire
Email barbibabies@aol.com
Home Page
City Satsuma
State Fl
Country
Comments I am a family member of Haligh Cummings, we don't know anyone from this site. We have know idea where the monies donated are going. Please beware of fraud accounts posing as our family.

[Texas48]

Your opinion is so correct....it seems to be open season on our children...I agree with the DP when a child is hurt like this.....or at the very least LWP....they should never again be allowed to walk our streets......When I hear that so many predators are in our neighborhoods, it sickens me....and puts me in so much fear for our children......

Thank you for your post...Your very welcome Barbara..I thought it made me sound like a cold hearted person to wish DP for ANYONE but this is how I feel. Something (law) has to change for these MONSTERS. I have 7 grandchildren and I will promise you this..If any monster hurt/kidnapped/murdered one of them and LE caught whoever...Well..let me say I am an OLD TEXAS woman..my children/grandchildren are my world..LE would not have a chance to take care of them..I would do what needed to be done. Take that statement to the bank. I am so tired of children being molested/murdered and then years before trial...dream teams comefrom all over..insanity pleas..LWOP (NO)..DP (yes) I am a very law abiding person but enough is enough. Our children need protection. When I heard how many sex offender lived in that small area I just started shaking my head. Why can't we find an island big enough to house all of them? Away from society/away from children. I am angry so I am sorrry for the rants. Usually not like me. Take deep breaths. jmo

[Speedy30]

That interview was just as strange to me as the 911 call was.

No matter if Misty didn't understand width, when Greta asked her to show her with her hands, Ron still intervened.

Misty was supposedly there in the room, surely anyone would be able to show with their hands or arms, with two chairs present on exactly how far away Haleigh slept without someone correcting them.

Maybe Misty was on something, or drinking and she truly passed out? Maybe her troubled cousin was confident because he saw Misty was getting messed up and he knew he would be able to swoop in and grab the girl.

But..... I cant help but wonder if Ron was dealing drugs and made someone mad and they were desperate and broke into the home to steal the drugs and the girl woke up and they took her, I cant help but think its someone they are very familiar with.

[Texas48]

haha yep. Well I hope we hear something if there is one. Not only are most of us disappointed after the PC's, but it sounds like the press is upset with what little info LE gives at these pressers...


But if putting out info will hurt the investigation, then so be it. It's tough knowing nothing. Maybe we do not learn much from the PC's but at least it keeps HAELIGH's name out front where it should be. jmo

[WhiteShark]

I think Misty did leave the kids that night.
I think she propped the door open so she can get back in before Ron got home.(b/c it was in the back)
I think Haleigh had an accident and got up looking for Misty.
I think she changed her pjs or panties herself.(found clothes gr-grandma brought)
I think with her wet blanket she went out looking for Misty. She spent a lot of time with Misty and knew her habits. (like taking out the garbage, going out for a smoke etc)
Maybe whoever left Misty that night; took Haleigh so she wouldn't say that person had been there but without Misty knowing.
Maybe Haleigh wandered to the water since Misty did take them there that day, (IIRC) and could not find her way back.
Just a lot of maybe's...Sorry if someone already came up with this theory. I am still stuck lurking on Caylee case.

I think Misty knows more too.

have a great day everyone


You and I are walking down the same path. I think Misty left the trailer and Haleigh got up, changed clothes, started walking and maybe someone got her then, or some animal..........I have thought this from the moment the footprint trail info was released by LE.

[WhiteShark]

I thought Ron said he picked her up:confused:

I thought Ron said he saw Haleigh AFTER she got off the bus, perhaps when his mother brought her home......but I saw the principal say she was there on Monday. I just can't remember which show it was so I could link it here.

[march27]

As if everything said by anybody isn't a proven lie at some point during this case, it now seems Ron may not have been the one that picked Haleigh up from the school bus the day she vanished.


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



Another scenerio, and once again two stories.

Who picked her up?


Oh my... so at this point all we know is that the little girls name is Haleigh... but wait I havent seen the birth certificate. Other than that every story has 10 versions. Is this some kind of sick joke?

[Snowball58]

If a family member finds Haleigh, would they get the reward money?

I woke up this morning thinking of Haleigh and wondered if perhaps this has been staged by Ron and/or Misty for the reward money. Perhaps they had someone known to them keep Haleigh (someone Haleigh knows and is safe with, lying low) and they staged this abduction after seeing all the coverage of little Caylee. Perhaps they intended for this to resolve sooner, but the media and LE caught on that they can't keep the story straight which has now made it difficult to proceed as planned. Or they are waiting for the reward money to go even higher (you know what greed and desperation will do to a person).

It's just wild speculation on my part, but it just seems to me that this whole thing was staged for some reason - it's just the feeling I get but perhaps it's because I don't want to believe that Ron or Misty harmed her or that she's in the hands of some pedophile, etc. I derive some comfort from the reward money theory because the result is that Haleigh may be safe and will return home.

SIGH.

[march27]

You and I are walking down the same path. I think Misty left the trailer and Haleigh got up, changed clothes, started walking and maybe someone got her then, or some animal..........I have thought this from the moment the footprint trail info was released by LE.


I have been leaning that way since day one.. maybe an alligator, drowned etc. I'm wondering if anyone took her. I think she might have wandered off and something happened.

[beachpatty]

I just thought I would post this and if anyone wanted to donate maybe look into it more or email the person below. Its sad these days you can't trust anyone so I am not saying it is not a real site or someone just making it saying it is a 11yr old child.:confused:




Date February 21, 2009
Name barbi squire
Email barbibabies@aol.com
Home Page
City Satsuma
State Fl
Country
Comments I am a family member of Haligh Cummings, we don't know anyone from this site. We have know idea where the monies donated are going. Please beware of fraud accounts posing as our family.


I saw that, too, there seems to be some contention going on there. I did look at where the donations go and it states the fund is for Haleigh and it's thru Bank of America.
I saw some nasty comments in the guest book also, I don't know what to make of the Barbi comment, I just wanted to post the link if anyone wanted to check it out.

beachpatty

[Peaches]

I agree, Barbara, but I just cannot understand why she continues to cover her own azz- if that's what she's doing- while Haleigh is still missing. I would think that by now she would realize that whatever she may or may not have done is not as important as finding Haleigh.



Excellent thoughts! I agree. Misty needs to tell all she knows.

[Speedy30]

I think Misty did leave the kids that night.
I think she propped the door open so she can get back in before Ron got home.(b/c it was in the back)
I think Haleigh had an accident and got up looking for Misty.
I think she changed her pjs or panties herself.(found clothes gr-grandma brought)
I think with her wet blanket she went out looking for Misty. She spent a lot of time with Misty and knew her habits. (like taking out the garbage, going out for a smoke etc)
Maybe whoever left Misty that night; took Haleigh so she wouldn't say that person had been there but without Misty knowing.
Maybe Haleigh wandered to the water since Misty did take them there that day, (IIRC) and could not find her way back.
Just a lot of maybe's...Sorry if someone already came up with this theory. I am still stuck lurking on Caylee case.

I think Misty knows more too.

have a great day everyone

Why the propping of the door to sneak out? Did the lock mechanism not work? If she knew he was not going to be home, why would she prop a door open?

[march27]

I have been thinking this all along!



I said the same thing when I saw that you tube video a few days ago but I got blasted down for saying that.

[kitty1182]

I woke up this morning thinking of Haleigh and wondered if perhaps this has been staged by Ron and/or Misty for the reward money. Perhaps they had someone known to them keep Haleigh (someone Haleigh knows and is safe with, lying low) and they staged this abduction after seeing all the coverage of little Caylee. Perhaps they intended for this to resolve sooner, but the media and LE caught on that they can't keep the story straight which has now made it difficult to proceed as planned. Or they are waiting for the reward money to go even higher (you know what greed and desperation will do to a person).

It's just wild speculation on my part, but it just seems to me that this whole thing was staged for some reason - it's just the feeling I get but perhaps it's because I don't want to believe that Ron or Misty harmed her or that she's in the hands of some pedophile, etc. I derive some comfort from the reward money theory because the result is that Haleigh may be safe and will return home.

SIGH.


That crossed my mind at first....Maybe because of the "fame and $$" the Caylee case got......It wouldn't surprise me, nothing does anymore...MOO

[aproudmom]

I have a question for one if your child was missing would you be on your myspace page? maybe I am not a normal parent but if my child was missing it would take everthing to get me out of bed let alone be on the net.

[beachpatty]

I just thought I would post this and if anyone wanted to donate maybe look into it more or email the person below. Its sad these days you can't trust anyone so I am not saying it is not a real site or someone just making it saying it is a 11yr old child.:confused:




Date February 21, 2009
Name barbi squire
Email barbibabies@aol.com
Home Page
City Satsuma
State Fl
Country
Comments I am a family member of Haligh Cummings, we don't know anyone from this site. We have know idea where the monies donated are going. Please beware of fraud accounts posing as our family.

I just emailed "Barbi", let's see what she says about it.
beachpatty

[saydeezmom]

I saw that, too, there seems to be some contention going on there. I did look at where the donations go and it states the fund is for Haleigh and it's thru Bank of America.
I saw some nasty comments in the guest book also, I don't know what to make of the Barbi comment, I just wanted to post the link if anyone wanted to check it out.

beachpatty

I would think IF it is their family....Haleigh's name would be spelled right.
Other words that are misspelled doesn't matter to me; but her name YES!

[Peaches]

I listened to this twice and in my opinion who ever put the captions put them up saying what they thought not for sure what was happening. But that is thier opinion , but without thier interpertation I don't think it went that way. JMHOO


Also, I think Ron said "he" said to look at the camera.....................who is "he"..................LE maybe.

Ron was trying to do what someone told them to do.

Is this new video work of GR and company?

[grammie/va]

Also, I think Ron said "he" said to look at the camera.....................who is "he"..................LE maybe.

Ron was trying to do what someone told them to do.

Is this new video work of GR and company?

I thought also there was a camera man or someone saying look at the camera and Ron just repeated it. And about the inches, in my opinion he realized it wasn't inches and was trying to say feet and was just talking over her. JMHOO

[saydeezmom]

Why the propping of the door to sneak out? Did the lock mechanism not work? If she knew he was not going to be home, why would she prop a door open?

Oh I don't know Speedy. I don't think she wanted to sneak out...I think she wanted to sneak in. Maybe the door squeaks and makes a horrible noise and it would wake up the kids. Maybe it was easier access to the bedroom if she ran to close to time he would be home. Maybe she thought she would hear the kids if they started to cry or the phone rang. There are dozens of why's, maybe's and I think's. If people would start telling the truth and we had all of those answers we might know where Haleigh is.

[Britney]

Everyone seems to be hung up on the open back door.

Let's see what theories we arrive at if we ignore the open back door. (They may be a diversion.)

[Speedy30]

Oh I don't know Speedy. I don't think she wanted to sneak out...I think she wanted to sneak in. Maybe the door squeaks and makes a horrible noise and it would wake up the kids. Maybe it was easier access to the bedroom if she ran to close to time he would be home. Maybe she thought she would hear the kids if they started to cry or the phone rang. There are dozens of why's, maybe's and I think's. If people would start telling the truth and we had all of those answers we might know where Haleigh is.

Right, I see what you are saying, but I dont think she was driving, and if she went anywhere I am thinking it had to have been on foot, or maybe a neighbors? But her wanting to sneak in, I just dont know, I guess its possible, but its pretty weird, I mean if the door had a horrid noise the kids were going to hear it when Ron came home from work at 3am anyways, probably.

But I agree, I wish people would tell all they know, or maybe they did and thats what makes this so scary.

moo

[saydeezmom]

Right, I see what you are saying, but I dont think she was driving, and if she went anywhere I am thinking it had to have been on foot, or maybe a neighbors? But her wanting to sneak in, I just dont know, I guess its possible, but its pretty weird, I mean if the door had a horrid noise the kids were going to hear it when Ron came home from work at 3am anyways, probably.

But I agree, I wish people would tell all they know, or maybe they did and thats what makes this so scary.

moo
I didn't say anything about driving for starters. Second, Ron did not use the back door...he used the front door. He stated in his interview that he had only used the back door two or three times since they moved in. We don't know how often Misty used it though.

thanks for your thoughts

[playnice]

Looks like the only news we will get today is the no news PC.:sad:

[WhiteShark]

Also, I think Ron said "he" said to look at the camera.....................who is "he"..................LE maybe.

Ron was trying to do what someone told them to do.

Is this new video work of GR and company?

I just went and watched it with the commentary and without. First of all, the first time they say Ron is coaching here, he has to turn all the way around and ONLY does so when it becomes obvious Misty can't hear or understand the question. It also happens later on. When Misty says inches, she gets it wrong and he corrects it........I saw not one thing where I felt he was coaching her or controling her at all.
Besides, my understanding is that she comes and goes from where Ron is staying and her home. If he was a "drew peterson control-freak" and they were in something fraudulent together, he wouldn't let her out of his sight.......now would he?

[Speedy30]

I didn't say anything about driving for starters. Second, Ron did not use the back door...he used the front door. He stated in his interview that he had only used the back door two or three times since they moved in. We don't know how often Misty used it though.

thanks for your thoughts


I was just using your post as a springboard of sorts for thoughts, I am sorry I worded it wrong, I never meant to assume you said anything about her driving, just brainstorming.

And why wouldn't she just go out the front door like Ron did? I really question if the door was ever open personally.

moo

[daHawg]

As if everything said by anybody isn't a proven lie at some point during this case, it now seems Ron may not have been the one that picked Haleigh up from the school bus the day she vanished.


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



Another scenerio, and once again two stories.

Who picked her up?

The transcript IMO is WRONG. She doesn't say "I picked her up" she says "My son picked her up from the bus stop" Listen to the tape at 5:27 is where she says that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

[odyssey]

I have a question for one if your child was missing would you be on your myspace page? maybe I am not a normal parent but if my child was missing it would take everthing to get me out of bed let alone be on the net.
If they are posting things unrelated to Haleigh then i would have a problem with it. But if it is just them logging into myspace it is possible that LE told them to check their private messages to see if anyone contacted them there concerning Haleigh.

[roundpeg]

Just my theory,

I think that perhaps Misty was entertaining some people in the back yard. Perhaps she propped open the door so she could hear the kids if they woke up. For whatever reason, she steps away from the back yard, and someone walks inside and snatches the child.

I don't have an opinion on whether they took the child as retaliation against Ron, or just for their own sick purposes.

I personally believe, JMO, that Ron is in a social circle of drug users.

I believe that any of them could realize that it would be easy to manipulate Misty, luring her away from the trailer.

I am trying to be politically correct, since people get touching about making assumptions.

But my gut says, a group of people that Ron know and Misty knows of, came over to party. They stayed in the back yard, Misty left the door propped so she could hear the kids. She left the back yard for some reason and someone waltzed on in.

I think she waited until Ron came home to call 911 because this may have been a problem he could fix (in her mind). If he knew the perp, Misty may have thought he could handle it. She seems very naive... Ron came home, realized this was a big problem and called 911.

Just my opinion, disclaimer, no links, no proof, etc.

[Politigal]

Everyone seems to be hung up on the open back door.

Let's see what theories we arrive at if we ignore the open back door. (They may be a diversion.)

Exactly, the abductor could have used the front door and exited the back.

[Adalena935]

So many times when little children are missing it turns out badly. But it doesn't have to. She didn't just fall off the face of the earth. She is someplace. My prayers and all good thoughts with the families and especially the law enforcement personel who are working so hard to find her. I pray this little one is found and comes home safe.

[Adalena935]

Just my theory,

I think that perhaps Misty was entertaining some people in the back yard. Perhaps she propped open the door so she could hear the kids if they woke up. For whatever reason, she steps away from the back yard, and someone walks inside and snatches the child.

I don't have an opinion on whether they took the child as retaliation against Ron, or just for their own sick purposes.

I personally believe, JMO, that Ron is in a social circle of drug users.

I believe that any of them could realize that it would be easy to manipulate Misty, luring her away from the trailer.

I am trying to be politically correct, since people get touching about making assumptions.

But my gut says, a group of people that Ron know and Misty knows of, came over to party. They stayed in the back yard, Misty left the door propped so she could hear the kids. She left the back yard for some reason and someone waltzed on in.

I think she waited until Ron came home to call 911 because this may have been a problem he could fix (in her mind). If he knew the perp, Misty may have thought he could handle it. She seems very naive... Ron came home, realized this was a big problem and called 911.

Just my opinion, disclaimer, no links, no proof, etc.

That's a good theory. Very possible someone manipulated Misty so she'd let her guard down. I too think she's very naive and probably wouldn't take anyone particularly cunning to trick her. I think it's posslbie she propped the door open to allow herself back in. If she was using drugs she may not have noticed anyone taking the child. Who's to say she might not have been passed out or in some sort of stupor. Just thinking out loud. Gawd I want them to find this darling little girl safe and soon.

[Adalena935]

Looks like the only news we will get today is the no news PC.:sad:

I'm so sad they haven't found Haleigh yet. Come home Haleigh. God speed law enforcement people. :crying:

[Britney]

IMO, if a sexual predator did not take Haleigh, then she has to be missing at the hands of Misty.

I seriously doubt that Misty was out with anyone else; in her mind, she probably considered herself extremely lucky to be with Ron.

I do think it is ironic, or more than ironic, that Misty admittedly previously told Ron she thought something would happen to his other son (Amber's) that she was babysitting a few months ago.

[odyssey]

The transcript IMO is WRONG. She doesn't say "I picked her up" she says "My son picked her up from the bus stop" Listen to the tape at 5:27 is where she says that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

Thanks so much. You're right. I listened to it three times just now and she says "My son picked her up from the bus stop"

[ConchGirl]

IMO, if a sexual predator did not take Haleigh, then she has to be missing at the hands of Misty.

I seriously doubt that Misty was out with anyone else; in her mind, she probably considered herself extremely lucky to be with Ron.

I do think it is ironic, or more than ironic, that Misty admittedly previously told Ron she thought something would happen to his other son (Amber's) that she was babysitting a few months ago.

Does anyone know if Misty had access to a vehicle?

[Adalena935]

IMO, if a sexual predator did not take Haleigh, then she has to be missing at the hands of Misty.

I seriously doubt that Misty was out with anyone else; in her mind, she probably considered herself extremely lucky to be with Ron.

I do think it is ironic, or more than ironic, that Misty admittedly previously told Ron she thought something would happen to his other son (Amber's) that she was babysitting a few months ago.

That's a noteworthy point. It might tie into Haleigh being missing or it could be nothing more than coincidence. Come home safe Haleigh.

[Adalena935]

Does anyone know if Misty had access to a vehicle?

That's a real good question and one I haven't seen discussed very much. I don't know and maybe others don't know the answer to that either.

[VC2]

the most likely scenario to me is that Haleigh was taken by an SO. (registered or never caught) Misty was either asleep - and yes some ppl sleep through anything - or out, neither really matters in the sense that Haleigh is raped and murdered by an SO either way. I also think its most likely bc of what Junior said. Remember in the Cutts case, a 2 year old managed to describe what happened "mummy wrapped up in a carpet" so i have little doubt a 4 year old might have woken and seen some person take haleigh.

Second scenario i can see is Misty murdering haleigh.. IF the comment to amber is really by her AND if the info about her on a 3 day bender with another guy is true and ron brought her back, then i could see her being jealous of haleigh and wanting to strike back, what did she say? haleigh was Ron's sun or something like that. I still think scenario one is more likely though.

The most improbable scenario has something to do with a drug dealer taking haleigh bc of a debt or anything to do with drugs. They don't want or need little kids running around and if the idea was to hurt Ron then they would have murdered her and thrown her body somewhere publicly. Every single day of a live girl means more chance of being found out and no dealer wants that. (plus i believe that ron has been reasonably clean since the kids..maybe smoked a joint here and there but then i know 60 year old tycoons and their wives who do too instead of drinking). Bottom line, no druggie wants to clutter up their life with either more danger from cops, a nosy neighbor, a disapproving gf all finding a live haleigh. Just not worth the time or trouble.

so i am certain she is dead, just not sure if she was raped first.

imo

[Speedy30]

Sorry if this has been posted

http://www.wftv.com/news/18775750/detail.html

[Spry]

Just my theory,

I think that perhaps Misty was entertaining some people in the back yard. Perhaps she propped open the door so she could hear the kids if they woke up. For whatever reason, she steps away from the back yard, and someone walks inside and snatches the child.

I don't have an opinion on whether they took the child as retaliation against Ron, or just for their own sick purposes.

I personally believe, JMO, that Ron is in a social circle of drug users.

I believe that any of them could realize that it would be easy to manipulate Misty, luring her away from the trailer.

I am trying to be politically correct, since people get touching about making assumptions.

But my gut says, a group of people that Ron know and Misty knows of, came over to party. They stayed in the back yard, Misty left the door propped so she could hear the kids. She left the back yard for some reason and someone waltzed on in.

I think she waited until Ron came home to call 911 because this may have been a problem he could fix (in her mind). If he knew the perp, Misty may have thought he could handle it. She seems very naive... Ron came home, realized this was a big problem and called 911.

Just my opinion, disclaimer, no links, no proof, etc.

I was really hoping that Haleigh's abduction was due to a very clever predator, a stranger to the family and that her abduction was a fluke. I was also hoping that she would manage to escape.

But hearing the latest reports, I am fearing that this is not the case. I think drugs and quick tempers are very much a part of this equation. I think Misty was partying. She was not so tired that she didn't hear the kids--as she now claims. It is possible she was high. Did authorities have reason to do a drug test on her?

If Ron owed money to drug suppliers, is there a chance Haleigh is alive? What would they want with a child? If they keep her, they have to care for her; if they kill her, they are open to prosecution.

If someone close to Haleigh or the family was at the home and had been doing one of several drugs (such as meth) it is possible that things turned violent--and anything could have set off the violence.

One thing I know for certain: No one from either side of Haleigh's family is going to divulge the story or the underpinnings of family interactions or skeletons. It has to be pried out of them bit by bit. In the meantime, where is Haleigh?

imo

[iluvmua]

I don't know which family is more Dysfunctional The Anthonys or the Cummings. Right now I'm going to say The Anthonys, But this family is not far behind.

[SavannahStar]

the most likely scenario to me is that Haleigh was taken by an SO. (registered or never caught) Misty was either asleep - and yes some ppl sleep through anything - or out, neither really matters in the sense that Haleigh is raped and murdered by an SO either way. I also think its most likely bc of what Junior said. Remember in the Cutts case, a 2 year old managed to describe what happened "mummy wrapped up in a carpet" so i have little doubt a 4 year old might have woken and seen some person take haleigh.

Second scenario i can see is Misty murdering haleigh.. IF the comment to amber is really by her AND if the info about her on a 3 day bender with another guy is true and ron brought her back, then i could see her being jealous of haleigh and wanting to strike back, what did she say? haleigh was Ron's sun or something like that. I still think scenario one is more likely though.

The most improbable scenario has something to do with a drug dealer taking haleigh bc of a debt or anything to do with drugs. They don't want or need little kids running around and if the idea was to hurt Ron then they would have murdered her and thrown her body somewhere publicly. Every single day of a live girl means more chance of being found out and no dealer wants that. (plus i believe that ron has been reasonably clean since the kids..maybe smoked a joint here and there but then i know 60 year old tycoons and their wives who do too instead of drinking). Bottom line, no druggie wants to clutter up their life with either more danger from cops, a nosy neighbor, a disapproving gf all finding a live haleigh. Just not worth the time or trouble.

so i am certain she is dead, just not sure if she was raped first.

imo

I agree with your line of thinking, VC. And I have thought she was dead from very early on.

[SavannahStar]

Umm ... she did not say she picked Haleigh up .. she said her son picked Haleigh up. She and Ron were not the ones who were not accurate in this.

You can find the link to the youtube link which has her interview on the previous page. I forget the original poster of it(my apologies) but I quoted it in my last post.



moo

Thank you! As always, misinformation abounds.

[iluvmua]

the most likely scenario to me is that Haleigh was taken by an SO. (registered or never caught) Misty was either asleep - and yes some ppl sleep through anything - or out, neither really matters in the sense that Haleigh is raped and murdered by an SO either way. I also think its most likely bc of what Junior said. Remember in the Cutts case, a 2 year old managed to describe what happened "mummy wrapped up in a carpet" so i have little doubt a 4 year old might have woken and seen some person take haleigh.

Second scenario i can see is Misty murdering haleigh.. IF the comment to amber is really by her AND if the info about her on a 3 day bender with another guy is true and ron brought her back, then i could see her being jealous of haleigh and wanting to strike back, what did she say? haleigh was Ron's sun or something like that. I still think scenario one is more likely though.

The most improbable scenario has something to do with a drug dealer taking haleigh bc of a debt or anything to do with drugs. They don't want or need little kids running around and if the idea was to hurt Ron then they would have murdered her and thrown her body somewhere publicly. Every single day of a live girl means more chance of being found out and no dealer wants that. (plus i believe that ron has been reasonably clean since the kids..maybe smoked a joint here and there but then i know 60 year old tycoons and their wives who do too instead of drinking). Bottom line, no druggie wants to clutter up their life with either more danger from cops, a nosy neighbor, a disapproving gf all finding a live haleigh. Just not worth the time or trouble.

so i am certain she is dead, just not sure if she was raped first.

imo

IMO, This is most likely the case unfortunately (being taken by a SO) :crying:

[n/t]

Umm ... she did not say she picked Haleigh up .. she said her son picked Haleigh up. She and Ron were not the ones who were not accurate in this.

You can find the link to the youtube link which has her interview on the previous page. I forget the original poster of it(my apologies) but I quoted it in my last post.



moo


So are you saying she lied on the Nancy Grace show?

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

[Rick777]

Thank you! As always, misinformation abounds.

As always....you should read the transcript before you comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

[Britney]

Link to Another Theory

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_a_reader_chim.php

(sorry if this has already been posted)

[odyssey]

So are you saying she lied on the Nancy Grace show?

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

I am saying she was misquoted on the TRANSCRIPT. If you listen to the actual interview you can hear she said her son picked Haleigh up.
At the tops of those they say they are rush transcripts and they do not verify the accuracy .. You can listen to the actual interview and for your own opinion. I listened to it three times and she clearly says "My son picked her up from the bus stop"

[roundpeg]

I was really hoping that Haleigh's abduction was due to a very clever predator, a stranger to the family and that her abduction was a fluke. I was also hoping that she would manage to escape.

But hearing the latest reports, I am fearing that this is not the case. I think drugs and quick tempers are very much a part of this equation. I think Misty was partying. She was not so tired that she didn't hear the kids--as she now claims. It is possible she was high. Did authorities have reason to do a drug test on her?

If Ron owed money to drug suppliers, is there a chance Haleigh is alive? What would they want with a child? If they keep her, they have to care for her; if they kill her, they are open to prosecution.

If someone close to Haleigh or the family was at the home and had been doing one of several drugs (such as meth) it is possible that things turned violent--and anything could have set off the violence.

One thing I know for certain: No one from either side of Haleigh's family is going to divulge the story or the underpinnings of family interactions or skeletons. It has to be pried out of them bit by bit. In the meantime, where is Haleigh?

imo

JMO,

I don't think we are talking about big time drug lords, I think we are talking about a group of punks.

Or, a bunch of punks were hanging out with Misty, one of them happened to be a pervert and realized he could get the child while Misty was checking out some guys car stereo or something equally ridiculous.

[odyssey]

As always....you should read the transcript before you comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html


Please listen to the interview for yourself instead of depending on a written transcript.

[Rick777]

"Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop. "
is sure ALOT different then "My son picked her up"

[daHawg]

As always....you should read the transcript before you comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

Please listen to the actual interview. The transcript was wrong. She clearly says "My son" not "I" at 5:27 of this link from the show that aired on 2-17-09.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

[Rick777]

Chad Reynolds is still out there, and he needs to be ruled out.

[odyssey]

"Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop. "
is sure ALOT different then "My son picked her up"

If you would listen to the actual interview you would hear that she said

"Yes, ma'am, she was. My son picked her up from the bus stop."

Don't take anyone's word for it go and listen to the actual words from her mouth....

moo

[Mimi428]

The transcript IMO is WRONG. She doesn't say "I picked her up" she says "My son picked her up from the bus stop" Listen to the tape at 5:27 is where she says that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

Thanks for finding that video. I can't watch it from where I am right now, is it the video from the NG interview w/Neves on February 17th? TIA

[daHawg]

Thanks for finding that video. I can't watch it from where I am right now, is it the video from the NG interview w/Neves on February 17th? TIAYour welcome and yes it is from that interview on that date.

[Mimi428]

Please listen to the actual interview. The transcript was wrong. She clearly says "My son" not "I" at 5:27 of this link from the show that aired on 2-17-09.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

Thanks! I wrote out my other post before I saw this one from you. I appreciate your clarification.

Now I want to go smack the transcriptionist!

[n/t]

I am saying she was misquoted on the TRANSCRIPT. If you listen to the actual interview you can hear she said her son picked Haleigh up.
At the tops of those they say they are rush transcripts and they do not verify the accuracy .. You can listen to the actual interview and for your own opinion. I listened to it three times and she clearly says "My son picked her up from the bus stop"

I watched Nancy Grace and what is quoted is exactly what she said!! She changed her story. Why?

[Rick777]

I watched Nancy Grace and what is quoted is exactly what she said!! She changed her story. Why?

Me too. Plus.....doesn't Ron work 3pm-3am?

[playnice]

Chad Reynolds is still out there, and he needs to be ruled out.

Yep. And I still believe SO. And he could have a SO buddy close by.

[odyssey]

I watched Nancy Grace and what is quoted is exactly what she said!! She changed her story. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

That IS the Nancy Grace interview so she hasn't changed her story. She says my son in the interview, not I ... not sure what else to tell you ..



moo

[odyssey]

Me too. Plus.....doesn't Ron work 3pm-3am?

No he works 4-3. It was stated in the amw link.


moo

[PBJMOM4]

I am saying she was misquoted on the TRANSCRIPT. If you listen to the actual interview you can hear she said her son picked Haleigh up.
At the tops of those they say they are rush transcripts and they do not verify the accuracy .. You can listen to the actual interview and for your own opinion. I listened to it three times and she clearly says "My son picked her up from the bus stop"

We can't trust anyone!
Can't trust Misty, Ron, or Crystal.
Can't trust the Media
Now we can't trust transcripts! Sheesh!
We need a Press conference or Something reliable!

[Rick777]

No he works 4-3. It was stated in the amw link.


moo

Thanks! I can't get video at work, but I'm sure you are lieing about the transcript. hahaha...joking! I believe ya.

[breeze53]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI&feature=related

That IS the Nancy Grace interview so she hasn't changed her story. She says my son in the interview, not I ... not sure what else to tell you ..



moo


Well forget about Misty searching today she's on her myspace page right now:cursing:

[Mimi428]

Well forget about Misty searching today she's on her myspace page right now:cursing:

Somehow, that wouldn't surprise me.

But I do take into consideration that someone else may be logged in to her myspace page under her user name.

JMO

[odyssey]

Well forget about Misty searching today she's on her myspace page right now:cursing:
She has put up a different picture of Haleigh ...
I have no idea if it is her online or not but still think it is possible LE has told her to log on periodically to see if she has any private messages that could be leads. I am not on her friends list so not privvy to any messages she may be sending or receiving.

[SavannahStar]

As always....you should read the transcript before you comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html


Listen to the actual interview. :sneaky:

[ellegna]

Geraldo Rivera banned after interview with Haleigh's dad


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-geraldo-rivera-022309,0,5857843.story?track=rss

[breeze53]

She has put up a different picture of Haleigh ...
I have no idea if it is her online or not but still think it is possible LE has told her to log on periodically to see if she has any private messages that could be leads. I am not on her friends list so not privvy to any messages she may be sending or receiving.


I sent her a message saying i was praying for Haleigh to be found safe, but have received no answer in which i didnt expect.

[Motomom]

Sorry if this has been posted

http://www.wftv.com/news/18775750/detail.html

I probably missed this, but what is the proof that he does drugs now? He said he does not do drugs in the interview, the question wasn't have you ever. I'm just wonderin what proof there is now that he does drugs. Did they find any in the house?

[Mimi428]

JMO,

I don't think we are talking about big time drug lords, I think we are talking about a group of punks.

Or, a bunch of punks were hanging out with Misty, one of them happened to be a pervert and realized he could get the child while Misty was checking out some guys car stereo or something equally ridiculous.


ITA that the idea that she was snatched up by drug lords is as implausible as it gets. Although that is done in other countries with totally different sorts of law enforcement, it is VERY uncommon in this country. The recent abduction of the little boy because of his grandfather's association with drug lords also verifies that it doesn't happen except on the million-dollar involvement level.

One of the things I have wondered about is whether or not there were cigarette butts right outside either the back door or front door. We have seen that both Ron & Misty smoke like the proverbial chimneys. If there are cigarette butts outside the back door, it would contradict Ron's story of not going to the back yard or knowing what was out there (like a big ol' pile of cinder blocks). Also - cigarette butts can be tested for DNA.

So could soda cans, beer cans, beer bottles, other items of trash, etc. Some of them could also be tested for fingerprints. I'm sure LE & the FBI have already thought of all that sort of stuff.

JMO

[Rick777]

They just said on the radio that there is so little going on that there is no need for pressers today.:sad:

[PBJMOM4]

Is Misty still staying with Ron or is she home with her family?
There is so little coverage today, I'd like to know what she is doing all day now. Is she searching? Is Ron searching?

[PBJMOM4]

They just said on the radio that there is so little going on that there is no need for pressers today.:sad:

It's pathetic that now I have until 8pm for NG for ANY news.
I hate when there is NOTHING, but I guess no news is good news?

[Rick777]

It's pathetic that now I have until 8pm for NG for ANY news.
I hate when there is NOTHING, but I guess no news is good news?


I hope so PBJ!

[kkmiausa]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;12819367]I personally think the call was exactly the way a parent would be acting when they have a child that is discovered missing.....I find nothing wrong with the fathers behavior at all....Had he acted any different, it would have been looked upon also as doing something wrong....(like never reporting your child missing)....

The police acted appropriately also in asking for polygraphs to be taken immediately, so that they can be ruled out....(for which the father did not hesitate to take)....Had he refused, I would have been suspiscious...I see him as a worried father (understandably so) ...he doesn't know who has his daughter and what is happening to his daughter....that is enough to kill a parent.....

I think bio mom is taking this opportunity to down Ron...(obviously bad blood between them)...I do not think that either parent is responsible for Haleigh missing.....but I'll take my chance on Ron being more fit.....and the courts must have thought so also....
I think the call was bizarre. Who when not knowing where their child is, immediately jumps to the conclusion that someone stole her and he is going to kill them!! I would be trying to get as many details to the 911 operator as possible to track down my child, including birthdate or whatever other information they needed. He didn't even correct Misty when she gave the same weight. I believe it was totally staged. Law enforcement has NEVER cleared him from the lie detector information. With Klaas that was the first thing he did so authorities could get on with finding his daughter. The only alibis are from Ron's own family and their stories are not straight.

[kkmiausa]

ITA that the idea that she was snatched up by drug lords is as implausible as it gets. Although that is done in other countries with totally different sorts of law enforcement, it is VERY uncommon in this country. The recent abduction of the little boy because of his grandfather's association with drug lords also verifies that it doesn't happen except on the million-dollar involvement level.

One of the things I have wondered about is whether or not there were cigarette butts right outside either the back door or front door. We have seen that both Ron & Misty smoke like the proverbial chimneys. If there are cigarette butts outside the back door, it would contradict Ron's story of not going to the back yard or knowing what was out there (like a big ol' pile of cinder blocks). Also - cigarette butts can be tested for DNA.

So could soda cans, beer cans, beer bottles, other items of trash, etc. Some of them could also be tested for fingerprints. I'm sure LE & the FBI have already thought of all that sort of stuff.

JMO

If Misty did something to Haleigh how did she dispose of the body? She did not have a vehicle as reported. There would be signs of her trying to drag her out. Again I think Ron came home from work, found she had wet the bed, lost it threw her out of the bed, she hit her head and died. Misty helped him concoct the story and he disposed of the body in the river. The door was propped open to take her out the backway so people would not see. After he returned they called 911 with their story. LE has NEVER said that he passed the lie detector test and if that was the case it would have been stated right upfront. :angry:

[breeze53]

That is so sad. I was hoping for some good news today. Thanks, Rick.:sad:


2 weeks missing today and no news isn't good imo.
Something stinks here big time.
I wonder what the so called cousin said ot did to clear him?
I still feel Misty is the key to where Haleigh is.

[Peaches]

I probably missed this, but what is the proof that he does drugs now? He said he does not do drugs in the interview, the question wasn't have you ever. I'm just wonderin what proof there is now that he does drugs. Did they find any in the house?



That is what I took from the interview too. I am glad to see that I am not the only one.



Did you notice that Crystal said that Haleigh was Ron's child or his child not our child.....................?????? Was strange to hear a mother say that. In her interview with GR before he went to see Ron.

[breeze53]

If Misty did something to Haleigh how did she dispose of the body? She did not have a vehicle as reported. There would be signs of her trying to drag her out. Again I think Ron came home from work, found she had wet the bed, lost it threw her out of the bed, she hit her head and died. Misty helped him concoct the story and he disposed of the body in the river. The door was propped open to take her out the backway so people would not see. After he returned they called 911 with their story. LE has NEVER said that he passed the lie detector test and if that was the case it would have been stated right upfront. :angry:


I am wondering if by some chance he killed her and took her body to where he worked and buried her. I feel him and Misty no just what happed to this baby.

[Speedy30]

I probably missed this, but what is the proof that he does drugs now? He said he does not do drugs in the interview, the question wasn't have you ever. I'm just wonderin what proof there is now that he does drugs. Did they find any in the house?

I dont think they did, but I wouldnt be shocked if the reason for the delay calling the cops was to get rid of drug paraphernalia, at the least.

moo

[Mimi428]

I probably missed this, but what is the proof that he does drugs now? He said he does not do drugs in the interview, the question wasn't have you ever. I'm just wonderin what proof there is now that he does drugs. Did they find any in the house?

The words might not have been in the exact phrasing, "have you EVER", but it seems to me that the way the question was worded to him includes the option of "have you ever".

From this link...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18775750/detail.html

Cummings defended himself saying he never hit Haleigh or her mother in an abusive way. Ronald said he spanked Haleigh by the Department of Children and Families' standards of disciplining a child.

However, it was questions about alleged drug use that pushed Cummings over the edge.

"What about allegations of cocaine use, meth use?" asked reported Geraldo Rivera.

"There's nothing, I do not do drugs," Ronald responded.

"You don't do drugs? What about all those arrests?" asked Rivera. "Do you work for the police, are you an informant?"

"No I am not an informant; I do not work for the police," he responded.

He specifically asked Ron about "THOSE ARRESTS", which clearly indicates that he is referring to PAST arrests.

At that point, Ron had the opportunity to speak the truth - something along the lines of..."yes, I have been arrested in the PAST for drugs". Then he could have included something along the lines of "but I straightened up, I gave up drugs, I haven't done any drugs in X+++ years".

But does he even admit to those arrests? NO!

He's a freakin' liar - & he is lying at a time when the truth is crucial.

He is showing himself - AGAIN - to be more interested in LYING & covering his butt than he is in finding his innocent child.

The opinion was posted yesterday that his past trouble with drugs ended before Haleigh was born, but that is not true. He was also arrested in 2004. I will go & find that info & post it.

JMO

[kkmiausa]

The FBI said they were satisfied with his responses IMO

Satisfied does not mean cleared. If they want to find the perpetrators, the first thing they do is come out and say whether or not the parents passed the lie detector test. It has not been said and each time they say no one has been ruled out. :wub:

[breeze53]

The FBI said they were satisfied with his responses IMO


Neither one of them have been cleared tho and thats say a whole lot to me.

[kkmiausa]

I am wondering if by some chance he killed her and took her body to where he worked and buried her. I feel him and Misty no just what happed to this baby.

I believe he did not mean to kill her but he was angry and he has a history or DCF would never have had a discussion with him about appropriate discipline techniques. He blew up, accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body. Misty is afraid of him and loves him and he is her sole support right now. She will eventually break if enough pressure is on her and she thinks she can be implicated.

[SavannahStar]

It's pathetic that now I have until 8pm for NG for ANY news.
I hate when there is NOTHING, but I guess no news is good news?


I wouldn't count on NG for getting "news". :biggrin:

(No doubt she will cover the story, but I've never seen her show have any real news.....well, once.....in another case. Once out of thousands of shows.)

[CC I See]

We don't know what happened to Haleigh when she went missing that Monday night. There are those that think it was from a sexual predator and others think the the family was involved.

For those who don't want to point the finger at any of the family, I can understand why. It is hard to think that someone who loves and takes care of a child could also kill them in a fit of rage.

I find this case very troubling for many reasons but the main one being the ever changing stories told by Misty and family memebers. Sure they are under a huge amount of pressure to help in the search, but I also see that any investigation into the immediate family being impeded. There seems to be fear that something else they are hiding being dug up besides Haleigh being missing.

For those of you who don't want to think the impossible that Ron or Misty could have possibly hurt Haleigh, I have added a link to the Riley Ann Sawyers "Baby Grace" case that has recently been closed. Caregivers can and do kill their children in a fit of rage..... even though they profess to love them. There is no way that I am giving this family a free pass regarding suspicion..... and if they are completely innocent, that is unfortunate but given the circumstances and the ever ending changing of stories I have to start thinking that they are hiding what happened. People can be extremely good actors when the fear of discovery is closing in.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/01/baby_grace_riley_sawyers_laid.htmlhttp://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/01/baby_grace_riley_sawyers_laid.html

[breeze53]

We don't know what happened to Haleigh when she went missing that Monday night. There are those that think it was from a sexual predator and others think the the family was involved.

For those who don't want to point the finger at any of the family, I can understand why. It is hard to think that someone who loves and takes care of a child could also kill them in a fit of rage.

I find this case very troubling for many reasons but the main one being the ever changing stories told by Misty and family memebers. Sure they are under a huge amount of pressure to help in the search, but I also see that any investigation into the immediate family being impeded. There seems to be fear that something else they are hiding being dug up besides Haleigh being missing.

For those of you who don't want to think the impossible that Ron or Misty could have possibly hurt Haleigh, I have added a link to the Riley Ann Sawyers "Baby Grace" case that has recently been closed. Caregivers can and do kill their children in a fit of rage..... even though they profess to love them. There is no way that I am giving this family a free pass regarding suspicion..... and if they are completely innocent, that is unfortunate but given the circumstances and the ever ending changing of stories I have to start thinking that they are hiding what happened. People can be extremely good actors when the fear of discovery is closing in.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/01/baby_grace_riley_sawyers_laid.htmlhttp://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/01/baby_grace_riley_sawyers_laid.html



I cried over that little Baby Grace very sad.

[Britney]

LE needs to release some information. One can see from this board how imaginations are running wild.

I also think that is why Geraldo's interview was such a hit; no info coming from elsewhere.

[summer4meplz]

It looks like Misty is staying with her family.


Do you know where Junior is? Please don't tell me he is living in a tent on the crime scene site!:cursing:

[PBJMOM4]

I believe he did not mean to kill her but he was angry and he has a history or DCF would never have had a discussion with him about appropriate discipline techniques. He blew up, accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body. Misty is afraid of him and loves him and he is her sole support right now. She will eventually break if enough pressure is on her and she thinks she can be implicated.

Wow! Hmm.
Did LE ever report that Ron PASSED the Polygraph or did Ron HIMSELF report that on Greta?

[breeze53]

I agree, breeze. Two very long weeks...and something-well-many things aren't right with Misty (imo). I am interested in what the cousin had to say!! Also, GR mentioned that Misty had been molested not once but twice. I can't imagine being molested by my cousin-and then bringing him right into the house around a little girl. **shivers**


Me either unless he was provideing drugs , beer she is underage and cant buy it herself someone has to be giveing it to her. The way this girl lies she may not have been raped to begin with . jmo I dont think a whole lot of this girl sorry!

[PBJMOM4]

LE needs to release some information. One can see from this board how imaginations are running wild.

I also think that is why Geraldo's interview was such a hit; no info coming from elsewhere.

LOL!
All we need now are some lions, tigers and bears!

[Rick777]

I believe he did not mean to kill her but he was angry and he has a history or DCF would never have had a discussion with him about appropriate discipline techniques. He blew up, accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body. Misty is afraid of him and loves him and he is her sole support right now. She will eventually break if enough pressure is on her and she thinks she can be implicated.

Ron has issues, but if he picked her up around 3:00 from the bus, was at work by 4:00, then when could he have killed her an disposed of her?? I guess he left Misty to dispose of the body between 4-3 am, but Haleigh was seen at 7...

hmmmm...

[breeze53]

I wondered about that to! Volunteers or no volunteers I would be out looking! My family and friends would be right along with me!

These families cant all search at the same time because they wont let go of the past to look for the child that the two of them made together. Sad but true. Between Rons family, Crystals family Mistys family, Crystal b/f family and friends that would at least be enough to search some areas where no one would be alone just in case they found the child.
They need to put there differences aside, work together and try and find this child.
There is plenty of time for blame later. jmo

[Speedy30]

Neither one of them have been cleared tho and thats say a whole lot to me.

And not only that, maybe they learned something from the Anthony case, I thought it was terrible they locked her up so fast when watching what she would have done had she had freedom and her phone bugged, maybe they would have found Caylee faster, so maybe even if they told the parents they passed, it does not have to be true, and perhaps they are focused on watching them and observing...just in case.

moo

[breeze53]

And not only that, maybe they learned something from the Anthony case, I thought it was terrible they locked her up so fast when watching what she would have done had she had freedom and her phone bugged, maybe they would have found Caylee faster, so maybe even if they told the parents they passed, it does not have to be true, and perhaps they are focused on watching them and observing...just in case.

moo


Very true and I bet they are watching them. I wonder if Misty has a cell phone or did she call Ron from a house phone that night?

[CC I See]

Ron has issues, but if he picked her up around 3:00 from the bus, was at work by 4:00, then when could he have killed her an disposed of her?? I guess he left Misty to dispose of the body between 4-3 am, but Haleigh was seen at 7...

hmmmm...... Ron was suppose to be at work at 3:00 p.m. We don't know how far away his work is. He had a meal break at some point on a twelve hours shift, he could have left and gone home to "check on things" So saying he was at work when Haleigh went missing whenever that was, unless someone can vouch for him the whole time, he still could be responsible.

[lindasbaitsh]

1. Smoking in the state of Florida under the age of 18 yrs is illegal. The girlfriend is captured on film smoking, smoking, smoking. What reason do the police allow for this?

2. I lived in Panama before, during and after the invasion. After the invasion there were alot of break-ins. A man broke into my two story four bedroom home and ransacked it. He entered my bedroom and while I was sleeping, removed my wedding rings from my hand!

I had four little kids in the house and my hubby and I were light sleepers (we thought) due to listening for one of the kids in the night.

Neither one of us woke up! It was very disturbing then and even now I struggle with the thought that a robber handled my arms hand and fingers and we didn't even move a muscle.

If that happened to me, then it is possible that it could have happened to the babysitter.

[breeze53]

Motomom - you said exactly what I was getting ready to post. If I remember correctly, Geraldo ( who I am still so angry at) asked Ron if he was " in to drugs" ( my words I do not remember the exact words) Ron said "no". Well, I think it has been proven by court records ..correct me if I am wrong..that in his past he was. That does not mean Ron lied, he could be out of the drugs in this point in his life.

Sorry, I can't remember who posted the link to the Greta interview, but thank you. I had not seen that interview - here is my take on it. I am not a shy person, but get me in front of camera's and I almost panic. I remember senior night at my son's basketball game and the parents walk out. I was about to panic and my husband would whisper to me, it is almost over - you will be OK.

When I seen Ron telling her to look into the camera, I seen him trying to help her out. Then when she was not answering questions like the length between the beds - I seen " frustration" - In my opinion Ron knows how important air time is and he wants all the facts straight. I am like some other posters said on here, I too found myself wanting to spit the words out for her - so, if we feel that way, can you imagine how Ron must have felt with her?

I also thought about something else about the Geraldo interview, what if Ron does know 75% who took his child and police told him to not tell anyone. To keep it to themselves because it could tip off the person they think had her. If he was having a bad moment and said these to the family and if they repeated it, that is horrible in my opinion. I would be like Ron I would LIE to the media ( not the police) but, I would to the media for my child's safety. Does anyone else think this could be possible? Or am I just hoping Haleigh is alive?

I know people think I may just be holding up for Ron. I guess in a way I am because that 911 tape still breaks my heart. I hear shear PAIN AND FEAR in his voice.

Now, if you ask me about his past behaviors or him dating a 17 year old. Well, I can tell you I do not have the best opinion about those things, but I don't think that will help bring Haleigh home. Of course, my writing may not either, I am mostly just brainstorming and wanting to know what others think.

I will say, I do believe half of what comes out of Crystals mouth. She should have used her air time to help bring her daughter home, not talk about her ex and their personal problems.

Can someone tell me who Chad Reynolds is? Somewhere I have missed information on him.

I can not get over the feeling Misty hold the key. Part of me wants to go down there and talk to her until she breaks. I just can not believe she is telling the complete truth. So, if I feel I could break her and make her talk - then why can't the police break her? Does she have to be questioned different then an adult would be? I am thinking since she is only 17 that maybe police can't be as tough on her. Can someone answer that for me?


The above is MOO



17 is underage so i would think and i dont really know but wouldnt her parents or an adult have to be present when they are questioning her........hope it's not Ron who is with her she will never talk:w00t:

I dont hear fear in his voice I hear control freak.

[Rick777]

... Ron was suppose to be at work at 3:00 p.m. We don't know how far away his work is. He had a meal break at some point on a twelve hours shift, he could have left and gone home to "check on things" So saying he was at work when Haleigh went missing whenever that was, unless someone can vouch for him the whole time, he still could be responsible.


If he works at 3, then how can he have gotten Haleigh off the bus??

[breeze53]

... Ron was suppose to be at work at 3:00 p.m. We don't know how far away his work is. He had a meal break at some point on a twelve hours shift, he could have left and gone home to "check on things" So saying he was at work when Haleigh went missing whenever that was, unless someone can vouch for him the whole time, he still could be responsible.


I think i read somewhere he worked 10 mins from home.

[Britney]

If he works at 3, then how can he have gotten Haleigh off the bus??

I previously read that his shift starts at 4 p.m.

[Politigal]

If he works at 3, then how can he have gotten Haleigh off the bus??

from what I read - Ronald Cummings worked the 7pm to 3am shift

[breeze53]

If he works at 3, then how can he have gotten Haleigh off the bus??


and see i thought it was 4 to many stories to keep up with.

[Mimi428]

I have compressed the info & removed all the extra dates. I left it in the order of events & bolded the numbers, so the chronology can be seen of how the case went along.

From the Putnam County Criminal Court Docket...

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE

2004-11-16 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING 11/13/04 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND $2012.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 11/13/04

2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2

2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING

2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012

2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS)

2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005)

2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,

2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED

2005-01-07 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2005-01-07 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005

2005-01-07 13 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2005-01-10 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-03-2005)

2005-01-18 15 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 01/25/2005

2005-01-18 16 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2005-01-25 17 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET

2005-02-03 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 09/08/2005 ADI - LEVEL II

2005-02-07 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-08-2005)

2005-03-03 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO, DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY) ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II

2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM $370.00 COURT COST PAID

2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

I do not know what the acronym ADI stands for, it would be my guess that it means something akin to Adult Drug Intervention or something like that.

JMO

[odyssey]

... Ron was suppose to be at work at 3:00 p.m. We don't know how far away his work is. He had a meal break at some point on a twelve hours shift, he could have left and gone home to "check on things" So saying he was at work when Haleigh went missing whenever that was, unless someone can vouch for him the whole time, he still could be responsible.

Could you please let me know a link that says Ron's shift is 3pm to 3am?
The amw article states he works 4pm to 3am.
Also other people have stated that they saw Haleigh after Ron was at work.

As an aside, i find it odd some posters(not you specifically) take the musings of posters with little or any factual basis as gospel but words from the sources as lies .. it confuses me.


moo

[Rick777]

from what I read - Ronald Cummings worked the 7pm to 3am shift

Thats the first time I have heard those work hours. Interesting....

[Peaches]

and see i thought it was 4 to many stories to keep up with.


Whatever the times.............12 hours per day

[CC I See]

I think i read somewhere he worked 10 mins from home.....very interesting, that's close. He have could easily made a quick check at home. Thank you for the info...

[breeze53]

....very interesting, that's close. He have could easily made a quick check at home. Thank you for the info...


YW its in a link somewhere but i have no clue where.

[Speedy30]

17 is underage so i would think and i dont really know but wouldnt her parents or an adult have to be present when they are questioning her........hope it's not Ron who is with her she will never talk:w00t:

I dont hear fear in his voice I hear control freak.

Yes, I agree.
So basically, she wakes up, finds the girl missing, what does she do, sit and wait for Ron to get home? I mean I am sure there had to be a house phone, or maybe she had a cell phone, when there are children its important to have a phone for emergencies, wouldnt she have called him on his cell, or did everything happen so fast? Did she really find the girl gone, notice the door, and seconds later Ron was home?

I think they both had to get rid of some stuff before they opened their home to the cops personally.

Something isn't right......

moo

[Lorakai]

ITA, a whole lot more to it then just, Ron was at work. What were his breaks, who saw him on a constant basis, did he leave work, how long does it take to get from work, to home? Most importantly, why didn't Ron pick up his cell phone when Misty was calling him? My god, he had left a great deal of responsibility with his 17 yo girlfriend and he doesn't answer the phone? He said it was "odd" to see Misty up when he got home from work as she is usually asleep. So wouldn't it then be extremely odd that she was trying to phone him? How many times had Misty called Ron prior to him returning home? And again, Why didn't he answer?

I saw an interview with Ron which he states he didn't answer the phone because he saw no sense as he was just pulling in the driveway. I think it is "plausible" that Ron returned home from work with Misty passed out or sleeping and he was probably the first to notice Haleigh was gone. IMO

[Rick777]

I thought an odd part of the Geraldo interview was GR asking Ron.."have you ever hit your daughter?" Ron says.."NO! I have an agreement with my daughter..."

Eh?

[ellegna]

Do you know where Junior is? Please don't tell me he is living in a tent on the crime scene site!:cursing:

Someone donated a camper last week so the family doesn't have to live in the tent anymore.
Junior is staying with a family member 6 miles away

http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html#-

[Mimi428]

Anybody recall offhand what Ron said during the custody hearing about his past drug use, past arrests, etc?

I can't open that pdf where I am today, or I would check it myself. IIRC, he referred to it as being in the long past, something to the effect that he had nothing recent.

[VC2]

I'm wondering where Ron & Misty's cell phone records are and where the towers pinged them during various hours of the night. I think the cell records can be very interesting and if Misty did leave the house that night, would the towers pick that up? If so, why wouldn't le at the very least, release that information as a "heads up, she was in this area". Law enforcement remaining tight lipped on an ongoing investigation is one thing, but law enforcement refusing to give any details out, resulting in the public not having a clue is a very dangerous game imo. Obviously, the le needs the publics help and with each passing day, they are blowing the opportunity to have the public help.

I can't remember which show I saw it on this past weekend, but RC's mom stated that Ron was waiting and waiting one morning for volunteers to show up so that he could go look for Haleigh and none showed up, therefore, no one searched for Haleigh, not mom, not dad, nor any of the family, imo (if you need the link, let me know and I will post it). My question is, why do they need those volunteers to go look? Why wouldn't you be on your hands and knees, dragging until you found your daughter? It's a tragedy that no volunteers showed up to help look for Haleigh, but it's also very telling, imo.

uhhh he was out searching every single day except that one day. As to why he didn't without other volunteers, iirc he was strongly discouraged from searching at all by LE and TES and it would be insane to be out looking on his own. First of all its hard to actually do the sort of grid search needed with just one person and secondly if he found her broken body somewhere he hands the perps defense attorney with a ready made attack against forensics suggesting dad planted evidence etc. etc. Same with any other family member.

the guy cant win with you. If he wasnt' searching every day then you would have said that spoke volumes, but that he doesn't for one day after 10 days of searching, heartache, grief, and exhaustion and you are attacking him for it??/

imo

[Britney]

I thought an odd part of the Geraldo interview was GR asking Ron.."have you ever hit your daughter?" Ron says.."NO! I have an agreement with my daughter..."

Eh?

Just saw on Fox News, they will be discussing the Geraldo interview shortly.

(Hope NG and others will keep covering the Haleigh disappearance, although no data is forthcoming from Putnam Co.)

[odyssey]

I have compressed the info & removed all the extra dates. I left it in the order of events & bolded the numbers, so the chronology can be seen of how the case went along.
...snipped..

JMO

Thank you, Mimi. I have a question. Have you been able to find any other drug arrest for Ron(which was presumably from being pulled over since his car was involved) other than this ONE case from 2004
?

I am not condoning the arrest, i just ask because so far i have found no others for him for drugs, just this marijuana one.

moo

[CC I See]

Whatever the times.............12 hours per day

If he got off work at 3:00 a.m. and it was stated from many sources that he worked 12 hours shifts unless he was late that day, he would have been at work at 3:00 p.m. He could have gone to work at 4:00 that day and been an hour off schedule.

[VC2]

I thought an odd part of the Geraldo interview was GR asking Ron.."have you ever hit your daughter?" Ron says.."NO! I have an agreement with my daughter..."

Eh?

sounds like he took a parenting class bc agreements or contracts bw parent and child on discipline are encouraged by many professionals. Consequences for behavior and what sort known in advance etc.

imo

[Mimi428]

I thought an odd part of the Geraldo interview was GR asking Ron.."have you ever hit your daughter?" Ron says.."NO! I have an agreement with my daughter..."

Eh?


I remember that & it is one more thing that unnerves me with this guy. Referring to a small child as if they have the motives & comprehensions of an adult is a big red flag & indicates a person who does not have enough grasp of the difference between a child's world & an adult's world.

That sort of mindset is present in people who think a baby cries just to annoy them. Or that a child wets the bed just to 'get back at' them, or defy them.

JMO

[CC I See]

That was extremely confusing.

He actually apparently has an agreement with CPS that he can spank her on her bottom, which he does, but doesn't consider that hitting. ??

I have an issue with hitting a child anywhere on their body for discipline..... what is distressing is that Haleigh is fragile with special health concerns. Hitting that child anywhere would be cruel.....remember all of the school she missed recently? Was that because of discipline or because of her fragile health?

[Mimi428]

Thank you, Mimi. I have a question. Have you been able to find any other drug arrest for Ron(which was presumably from being pulled over since his car was involved) other than this ONE case from 2004
?

I am not condoning the arrest, i just ask because so far i have found no others for him for drugs, just this marijuana one.

moo

I know there was stuff before Haleigh was born, but I will have to go & get the info on that. Hang on, it may take me a few (multi-tasking here).

[Armchairdet]

thanks for the help and I think you are right. Her being 17 makes since that an adult would have to be with her. Have we heard who that adult is? I think it would be really stupid for the police to let Ron be the adult with her in my opinion.

Viking - you brought up a very good point that I had completely forgot about. In the beginning, didn't we hear that Misty had called Ron several times, but he did NOT answer his phone?

Has anyone asked Ron - why he did not answer his phone? When you have children and you get a call in the middle of the night I think that anyone would answer their phone.
I still hear fear and grief in Ron's voice on the 911 call. That doesn't mean I don't have questions though.



Bolding mine.

I wondered the same thing. Especially since he said Misty was not awake at that time of night. It seems most people would have immediate concern with a phone call coming at such an hour. IMO

[odyssey]

If he got off work at 3:00 a.m. and it was stated from many sources that he worked 12 hours shifts unless he was late that day, he would have been at work at 3:00 p.m. He could have gone to work at 4:00 that day and been an hour off schedule.

I truly would like a source please. I have looked and can find no where that says he was supposed to be at work at three, that he works 12 hour shifts, or that he was late to work that day and i have looked. The only place I have seen that mentions him working 12 hour shifts is from regular posters on message boards with no links. TIA


moo

[msgatorslayer]

Afternoon, everyone.

What about the dogs that tracked Haleigh's scent to the river? Was this a frequent trail Haleigh, her Brother, and Dad took? Which would explain her scent being there. Or was she led away, this route, by someone? I know LE searched the river and didn't find her but the dogs say she was there.

I recall reading that the river was only like 300 feet from their house.

[VC2]

Thank you, Mimi. I have a question. Have you been able to find any other drug arrest for Ron(which was presumably from being pulled over since his car was involved) other than this ONE case from 2004
?

I am not condoning the arrest, i just ask because so far i have found no others for him for drugs, just this marijuana one.

moo

well i sort of suspect that he has or does smoke a joint or two but that means nothing negative to me, its pretty normal among ppl in their 20's. Heck even Michael Phelps does at a party :D no different bw a buzzed parent or one that had a few drinks..same thing.

One thing i cant figure out is where ppl get the idea he is some druggie :angry: Just bc he had some issues before haleigh was born makes him some sort of druggie dealer addict now?? I think its ppl leaping to that conclusion bc they don't like his lifestyle or education. I sort of wanted to ask the same question you have but more broadly Odyssey..what in the world has he done that makes ppl think he is a bad parent except have a g/f of 17-which imo is a non issue bc it is absolutely the norm to hire babysitters of 16 or 17 for late nights out, i bet most of us made pocket money at that age from it, whether misty is a g/f doesnt change that no reason to think she would be worse than any other babysitter. I can't think of any evidence of him being anything less than a loving dad doing his best with the tools he has. Rough around the edges, not a saint, he cusses and has a temper when discovering his daughter has disappeared from a house in the middle of the night, absolutely understandable there, but nothing bad !!!

IMO

[odyssey]

thanks for the help and I think you are right. Her being 17 makes since that an adult would have to be with her. Have we heard who that adult is? I think it would be really stupid for the police to let Ron be the adult with her in my opinion.

Viking - you brought up a very good point that I had completely forgot about. In the beginning, didn't we hear that Misty had called Ron several times, but he did NOT answer his phone?

Has anyone asked Ron - why he did not answer his phone? When you have children and you get a call in the middle of the night I think that anyone would answer their phone.

I still hear fear and grief in Ron's voice on the 911 call. That doesn't mean I don't have questions though.

I don't know the law in Florida but typically if the minor being questioned is a witness and not a suspect then no guardian is required. Some states have an age limit for that (like a guardian regardless of witness or suspect under the age of 12 or whatever)

moo

[Rick777]

I truly would like a source please. I have looked and can find no where that says he was supposed to be at work at three, that he works 12 hour shifts, or that he was late to work that day and i have looked. The only place I have seen that mentions him working 12 hour shifts is from regular posters on message boards with no links. TIA


moo


This has been going on for two weeks now, and it's hard to keep track of links because there have been so many interviews (TV and paper). I heard from the start he worked 3-3. AMW says 4-3. Unfortunatley a link can't be produced for every thing said here, so it's open to debate and thats not a bad thing.

[Mimi428]

thanks for the help and I think you are right. Her being 17 makes since that an adult would have to be with her.


<snipped>

I don't know where the idea is coming from that the police cannot question Misty by herself because of her age, but it is not true.

Anyone remember the King brothers, who were arrested in this SAME state for murdering their father??? They were a h#ll of a lot younger than Misty.

[VC2]

Afternoon, everyone.

What about the dogs that tracked Haleigh's scent to the river? Was this a frequent trail Haleigh, her Brother, and Dad took? Which would explain her scent being there. Or was she led away, this route, by someone? I know LE searched the river and didn't find her but the dogs say she was there.

I recall reading that the river was only like 300 feet from their house.

8 blocks away

[msgatorslayer]

8 blocks away

Wowzers, 8 blocks away? What was her scent doing there? Is this by a park that she could have been taken to play at?

[kate482000]

I have an issue with hitting a child anywhere on their body for discipline..... what is distressing is that Haleigh is fragile with special health concerns. Hitting that child anywhere would be cruel.....remember all of the school she missed recently? Was that because of discipline or because of her fragile health?

IMO her missing school is a lack of appreciation on any of her family members in the value of education, and not being able to get their arses out of bed to take her.

[odyssey]

well i sort of suspect that he has or does smoke a joint or two but that means nothing negative to me, its pretty normal among ppl in their 20's. Heck even Michael Phelps does at a party :D no different bw a buzzed parent or one that had a few drinks..same thing.

One thing i cant figure out is where ppl get the idea he is some druggie :angry: Just bc he had some issues before haleigh was born makes him some sort of druggie dealer addict now?? I think its ppl leaping to that conclusion bc they don't like his lifestyle or education. I sort of wanted to ask the same question you have but more broadly Odyssey..what in the world has he done that makes ppl think he is a bad parent except have a g/f of 17-which imo is a non issue bc it is absolutely the norm to hire babysitters of 16 or 17 for late nights out, i bet most of us made pocket money at that age from it, whether misty is a g/f doesnt change that no reason to think she would be worse than any other babysitter. I can't think of any evidence of him being anything less than a loving dad doing his best with the tools he has. Rough around the edges, not a saint, he cusses and has a temper when discovering his daughter has disappeared from a house in the middle of the night, absolutely understandable there, but nothing bad !!!

IMO


Because some people need to place blame with the family/caretakers so they can convince themselves it could never happen in their own family. They do not want to believe that no matter how careful they are that a stranger can come in and take their child and they have no control over it.

If they can find fault with the family/caregivers, find things they do/did that the posters would never themselves do, they can place a cushion between themselves and those families .. they can convince themselves this could never happen to them because they behave in a different manner. If there was only one difference between poster x and family member y, poster x in that instance would find that one thing and cling to it.

moo

[msgatorslayer]

Because some people need to place blame with the family/caretakers so they can convince themselves it could never happen in their own family. They do not want to believe that no matter how careful they are that a stranger can come in and take their child and they have no control over it.

If they can find fault with the family/caregivers, find things they do/did that the posters would never themselves do, they can place a cushion between themselves and those families .. they can convince themselves this could never happen to them because they behave in a different manner. If there was only one difference between poster x and family member y, poster x in that instance would find that one thing and cling to it.

moo

Worth repeating!!! :thumbup:

[kkmiausa]

Wowzers, 8 blocks away? What was her scent doing there? Is this by a park that she could have been taken to play at?


OK, now I have heard some more info. Is it true the job is only 10 minutes away? OK off at 3, home by 3:15 (time to get in car, etc) he gets home, finds Haleigh wet bed, yada yada yada, river is close as 300 yards but I feel he drove further. Came back concocted story and had Misty call 911. Wasn't the 911 call at 3:45 or later? He had 30 minutes plenty of time if the river is that close.

[odyssey]

This has been going on for two weeks now, and it's hard to keep track of links because there have been so many interviews (TV and paper). I heard from the start he worked 3-3. AMW says 4-3. Unfortunatley a link can't be produced for every thing said here, so it's open to debate and thats not a bad thing.

It IS a bad thing if it is not true and posters use it to try to make a case for him killing his daughter. If your child died at 4:30 and you got to work at four then you would think it was important ppl were not saying you got to work at five ya know>?

I also believe if the man was late to work that day it would have been reported by a major news source. As i stated I have looked at most of the links in the links section, if not all, and I cannot find it. I am a manic fact checker so that is why i ask.

[Rick777]

then I have another question.

I did not know since she was 17 if she had to have someone with her or not. I do not know FL law, so I asked that question. Thanks for all the help.

I and it seems to me, others also think Misty is holding back and is not telling the truth.

So, if she is alone when questioning - why can the police not break her into telling them the truth?

I feel like I could break her and I am not police - so, why can't they? Each day is a day lost in finding Haleigh alive in my opinion.


A) maybe they have broken her, and despite the changes in story they still think she is generally clueless to what happened.

B) Maybe she said something about Ron since the heat has shifted from Misty to Ron BIGTIME as of late.

c) She knows of the drug situation and she's sticking to her story to cover herself, Ron, and maybe Haleigh's safety.

[IlliniFan]

only from memory......IIRC 911 call received at 3:27 Am or there abouts...I'm sure someone knows the exact time.

[Armchairdet]

<bolded mine>

ITA and by "any" of her family members, I include Crystal. Funny isn't it, that so many of the people involved failed Haleigh on more ways than one. They didn't value education, bur Crystal "valued" Haleigh and Jr. enough to purchase life insurance on her two children. Which is not unheard of, just pretty odd to me that she did given her situation and I'd really be interested in find out the value to the life insurance policies as well as the date they were registered.

Haleigh's mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy.http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html



I know that many responsible families may purchase life insurance on their children. I think of a policy that would cover funeral related expensis, and maybe enough to cover some missed work. But if a family is struggling financially anyway it would seem that this would not be a priority. However if the children have health issues I suppose it may be more on a parents mind that something could happen.

This is news to me, so I am still trying to process what to think of it. A lot of my opinion would depend on the amount the policy is for.

IMO

[Rick777]

It IS a bad thing if it is not true and posters use it to try to make a case for him killing his daughter. If your child died at 4:30 and you got to work at four then you would think it was important ppl were not saying you got to work at five ya know>?

I also believe if the man was late to work that day it would have been reported by a major news source. As i stated I have looked at most of the links in the links section, if not all, and I cannot find it. I am a manic fact checker so that is why i ask.


I agree that the timelines would be a major deal if they are off.

[bluwaters]

Putnam sheriff suspends daily news briefings on Haleigh Cummings
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-search-022309,0,4008121.story

Hi all.
I just got in from work and was hoping for good news about Haleigh.
Everyday looks grimmer and grimmer. :sad:

Where could she be?

[annalyzer]

Because some people need to place blame with the family/caretakers so they can convince themselves it could never happen in their own family. They do not want to believe that no matter how careful they are that a stranger can come in and take their child and they have no control over it.

If they can find fault with the family/caregivers, find things they do/did that the posters would never themselves do, they can place a cushion between themselves and those families .. they can convince themselves this could never happen to them because they behave in a different manner. If there was only one difference between poster x and family member y, poster x in that instance would find that one thing and cling to it.

moo

Unfortunately in the majority of cases of young murdered children the parents/caregivers are the murderers.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

[Rick777]

Putnam sheriff suspends daily news briefings on Haleigh Cummings
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-search-022309,0,4008121.story

Hi all.
I just got in from work and was hoping for good news about Haleigh.
Everyday looks grimmer and grimmer. :sad:

Where could she be?


Highly disapointing.

[kate482000]

<bolded mine>

ITA and by "any" of her family members, I include Crystal. Funny isn't it, that so many of the people involved failed Haleigh on more ways than one. They didn't value education, bur Crystal "valued" Haleigh and Jr. enough to purchase life insurance on her two children. Which is not unheard of, just pretty odd to me that she did given her situation and I'd really be interested in find out the value to the life insurance policies as well as the date they were registered.

Haleigh's mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy.http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html


It is interesting about the insurance policy. I'm curious to know for how much and when the policy was initiated..I'm sure LE now knows all about the policy or I would think they do...can't rule anything out at this point.

[odyssey]

Unfortunately in the majority of cases of young murdered children the parents/caregivers are the murderers.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

Quite true, and though that was not the point I was addressing I do appreciate the link, thank you =)

[Mimi428]

Here are the details from the arrest in December of 2002. I have no idea why the DA eventually decided to not procede. Perhaps it has something to do with item #22, SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT. Or it could be that they didn't have much to go on in the first place. Elephino.

JMO

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542002CF002133XXAXMX
File Date: 2002-12-12 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: SIKES, LARRY E
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2002-12-12 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO (ARREST 12/12/2002) POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNAL, BOND SET AT $ 2,504 SECURED BLANKET

2002-12-12 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2002-12-12 3 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2002-12-12 4 $ 2,504 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - # 365649

2003-01-20 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-20 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-21 10 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF COCAINE, CT 2-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS LESS THAN 20 GRAMS)

2003-01-28 7 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT
PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 02/04/2003

2003-01-28 8 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2003-02-04 9 DRUG HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT NOT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY KURT TEIFKE, DEFENDANT NOT INTERESTED IN DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED DRUG COURT, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET

2003-02-05 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-26-2003)

2003-02-26 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 04/01/2003.

2003-02-26 13 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-02-26 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-02-26 16 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 05/05/2003.

2003-02-26 17 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 18 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-03-05 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-04-01 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY LARRY SIKES ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 05/27/2003

2003-04-08 22 SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT

2003-04-10 21 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-27-2003)

2003-05-27 23 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT

2003-05-27 24 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN BK 374 PG 597

[Armchairdet]

I have a question about the tracking dogs. Ok, say they followed Haleighs scent to the river. I imagine they do this by letting them smell a piece of her clothing or something that would have primarily her scent on it. Would LE as a rule in a case like this then let the dogs smell everyone in the homes clothes, and see if the dogs follow the same trail? Like for instance to see if the dogs indicate Misty or Ron also took the same trail? I know that wouldn't mean anything for sure because they could have gone for a walk together or something. But if for instance it showed Misty (just an example) also took that route, and Ron never knew them to have walked down there. Well...it could lead to a question on when and why they may have gone down there. Especially if for instance the dogs did not indicate that JR went down there, because it would mean he was not with them. On a walk he would be most likely.

[Rick777]

Here are the details from the arrest in December of 2002. I have no idea why the DA eventually decided to not procede. Perhaps it has something to do with item #22, SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT. Or it could be that they didn't have much to go on in the first place. Elephino.

JMO

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542002CF002133XXAXMX
File Date: 2002-12-12 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: SIKES, LARRY E
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2002-12-12 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO (ARREST 12/12/2002) POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNAL, BOND SET AT $ 2,504 SECURED BLANKET

2002-12-12 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2002-12-12 3 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2002-12-12 4 $ 2,504 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - # 365649

2003-01-20 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-20 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-21 10 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF COCAINE, CT 2-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS LESS THAN 20 GRAMS)

2003-01-28 7 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT
PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 02/04/2003

2003-01-28 8 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2003-02-04 9 DRUG HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT NOT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY KURT TEIFKE, DEFENDANT NOT INTERESTED IN DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED DRUG COURT, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET

2003-02-05 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-26-2003)

2003-02-26 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 04/01/2003.

2003-02-26 13 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-02-26 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-02-26 16 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 05/05/2003.

2003-02-26 17 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 18 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-03-05 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-04-01 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY LARRY SIKES ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 05/27/2003

2003-04-08 22 SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT

2003-04-10 21 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-27-2003)

2003-05-27 23 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT

2003-05-27 24 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN BK 374 PG 597



Maybe charges dropped due to becoming informant?

[Armchairdet]

Maybe charges dropped due to becoming informant?

Or that he agreed to addiction treatment? IMO

[annalyzer]

Quite true, and though that was not the point I was addressing I do appreciate the link, thank you =)

You're welcome. I understood your point. My point is the reason everyone looks at the parents/caregivers in cases like this is because in most cases they end up being the one who murdered their child.

[Mimi428]

Maybe charges dropped due to becoming informant?

I thought of that possibility as well. Playing a version of 'tag, you're it' is pretty common with LE when it comes to drug arrests. 'Tell me who you get YOUR stuff from & we'll go after them & let you go on your way', IOW.

And it does make sense to go after the bigger fish & leave the little fish to go on their little fish ways.

JMO

[emdragon]

<bolded mine>

ITA and by "any" of her family members, I include Crystal. Funny isn't it, that so many of the people involved failed Haleigh on more ways than one. They didn't value education, bur Crystal "valued" Haleigh and Jr. enough to purchase life insurance on her two children. Which is not unheard of, just pretty odd to me that she did given her situation and I'd really be interested in find out the value to the life insurance policies as well as the date they were registered.

Haleigh's mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy.http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html

Don't tell anyone I'm here I am suppose to be unloading 40 boxes of puzzles and games. But I had to pop in and she what if anything was new.

So what is this about insurance? Could it be a Gerber policy? My mom took those out on all the grand kids so that wouldn't be odd to me but if we are talking about actual policy that makes me go ummmm.

[bballgrl]

I remember that & it is one more thing that unnerves me with this guy. Referring to a small child as if they have the motives & comprehensions of an adult is a big red flag & indicates a person who does not have enough grasp of the difference between a child's world & an adult's world.

That sort of mindset is present in people who think a baby cries just to annoy them. Or that a child wets the bed just to 'get back at' them, or defy them.

JMO

Well, I am glad you said "JMO", cause my sister did exactly that with both of her girls starting from the age of 3. I used to get so mad at her cause she would sit down and "discuss" things with the girls... including consequences and they would still be bad... However, over time, they got the picture and today they really appreciate that she did that with them. I on the other hand.. yelled and yelled and got nowhere. My kids are good kids and I am not a bad or abusive mother but people have different ways of raising their children. If the child knows the consequences, they are accountable for their actions, and MANY parents start this very young. Just ask Dr Phil. LOL

[annalyzer]

Very true. I'd also like to add that what is being said about Ron, Misty, Crystal and others on this board is mild compared to the rest of the internet. jmo.

I just wish LE would eliminate one or all three of them as possible suspects so the attention would be turned elsewhere. For some reason they won't even tell us if they passed their LDT's or not and I also wonder why the trailer is still being held as a crime scene after two weeks.

(Hey please send me a link to what you're referring to elsewhere.)

[Peaches]

I don't think he should have gone out on his own, but why couldn't his family, her family, friends, anyone gone out with him? And yeah, I kind of have a problem with him taking a day off, sorry, but I wouldn't take a minute off, but that's just me.

And as far as "the guy can't win with you" I don't know where you get that from. This isn't about Ronald "winning" with me, this is about Ronald finding his daughter Haleigh, period and sitting around isn't exactly going to find his daughter, imo.



I have not heard that Crystal, her family or her friends have looked for Haleigh.

Have you?

What do you make of this?

[Mimi428]

Ron was also arrested for the offense of "Affray" on 4/3/07...

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542007MM001480XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ WALTER 04-02-07

2007-04-03 1 AFFRAY

2007-04-23 2 INFORMATION (AFFRAY)

2007-04-23 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/10/2007)CERTIFIED

2007-05-10 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 06/12/2007

2007-05-10 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-12-2007)

2007-05-18 6 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - UNCLAIMED

2007-06-12 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 07/12/2007

2007-06-12 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007)

2007-06-14 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) IN OFFICE

2007-07-12 10 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 08/22/2007

2007-07-12 11 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED

2007-07-12 12 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2007-07-12 13 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (08-22-2007)

2007-08-22 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 09/19/2007

2007-08-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-19-2007) IN COURT

2007-09-19 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT FILED AND ACCEPTED

2007-09-19 17 DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE $50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION

2007-09-28 18 MEMO FROM HRDS: DEFT COMPLETED THE CONDITIONS OF HIS PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM

2007-10-18 19 NOTICE OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF DEFERRED
PROSECUTION AGREEMENT

2007-11-28 20 $100.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 09/18/2007

Then I looked up the Florida Revised Statutes for 2007 (year he was charged) to see how they specifically define Affray...

The 2007 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 870
AFFRAYS; RIOTS; ROUTS; UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLIES View Entire Chapter

870.01 Affrays and riots.--

(1) All persons guilty of an affray shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) All persons guilty of a riot, or of inciting or encouraging a riot, shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=67213136&CFTOKEN=49607662

That didn't really tell me with specificity, so I found a generalized legal definition, as it applies in the USA -

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/affray


A criminal offense generally defined as the fighting of two or more persons in a public place that disturbs others.

The offense originated under the Common Law and in some jurisdictions has become a statutory crime. Although an agreement to fight is not an element of the crime under the common-law definition, some statutes provide that an affray can occur only when two or more persons agree to fight in a public place.

An affray is a type of Disorderly Conduct and a breach of the peace since it is conduct that disturbs the peace of the community. It is punishable by a fine, imprisonment, or both.

The identity of the other person(s) he was fighting with does not seem to be available.

[playnice]

Unless the policy was a very large face amount there isn't any problem, alot of parents purchase life insurance on their children.

JMO

Average funeral nowadays cost around 8000. A 10,000 wouldnt be unreasonable.

A recent policy, large amount and behind on child support worth looking at.

[caphill]

I have compressed the info & removed all the extra dates. I left it in the order of events & bolded the numbers, so the chronology can be seen of how the case went along.

From the Putnam County Criminal Court Docket...

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE

2004-11-16 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING 11/13/04 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND $2012.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 11/13/04

2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2

2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING

2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012

2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS)

2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005)

2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,

2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED

2005-01-07 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2005-01-07 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005

2005-01-07 13 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2005-01-10 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-03-2005)

2005-01-18 15 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 01/25/2005

2005-01-18 16 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2005-01-25 17 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET

2005-02-03 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 09/08/2005 ADI - LEVEL II

2005-02-07 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-08-2005)

2005-03-03 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO, DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY) ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II

2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM $370.00 COURT COST PAID

2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE

I do not know what the acronym ADI stands for, it would be my guess that it means something akin to Adult Drug Intervention or something like that.

JMO
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________
Summary:
Ron withdrew his not guilty plea and plead NoLo. Tht means no contest. The defendant neither pleads non denies the charges and ususally agrees to some sort of punishment. His sentence was adjudication of guilt withheld, Court costs of $370.00 and ADI-Level 11.

ADI means Advanced Driver Improvement. It is a required course for reinstatement of drivers lic. Commoning referred to as drivers school.

This looks to be the punishment for whatever his driving violation involved.

Does anyone have any other court docs that shows any other drug charges or convictions.

Also are there any charges of domestic violence to his ex girlfriend or his family? I know there was some type of restraining order to some man that he threatened. There was also a hunting violation filed.

During his custody battle with Crystal he agreed to a parenting course. At some time later there was Cert of Completion submitted.

Where is the rest of all these drug charges or domestic violences that gets batted around these message boards and inferred by Geraldo? All the hearings listed above were pertaining the traffice stop of Nov 04. [Quote]









































Other that these aforemntion filings

[emdragon]

The message boards are plenty, the link I posted with the insurance policies shows a message board, just scroll down and view all the posts bashing everyone involved, most especially Ron & Misty.

I also have a problem with Crystal's statement on GR show regarding the physical abuse allegations of not only Haleigh, but himself. "My cousin Candace told me when we got down here for this incident, that um (long pause) he come to her house it was ronald, haleigh, jr. and misty and hailey bumped into him or smarted off to him and she said he just back handed her and she fell flat on her face on the porch."

Why would the cousin wait to tell Crystal about such an abusive situation, regarding her daughter? Why did the cousin not call 911 immediately after witnessing Ron do that?

jmo

I wonder if this is the same "cousin" who told her Ron was high when he had his accident. (even though he passed a drug test)

[msgatorslayer]

I have a question about the tracking dogs. Ok, say they followed Haleighs scent to the river. I imagine they do this by letting them smell a piece of her clothing or something that would have primarily her scent on it. Would LE as a rule in a case like this then let the dogs smell everyone in the homes clothes, and see if the dogs follow the same trail? Like for instance to see if the dogs indicate Misty or Ron also took the same trail? I know that wouldn't mean anything for sure because they could have gone for a walk together or something. But if for instance it showed Misty (just an example) also took that route, and Ron never knew them to have walked down there. Well...it could lead to a question on when and why they may have gone down there. Especially if for instance the dogs did not indicate that JR went down there, because it would mean he was not with them. On a walk he would be most likely.

Great questions but no answers. And LE surely knows how significant, if at all, it is for Haleigh's scent to be by the water.

I just looked at Google Earth. The river is west of their home. However, it looks to me like their street, Green Lane, ends, and then there is a substantial sized wooded area prior to getting to the river. I see no placemarks for a park of any kind here. Doesn't seem like a spot someone would bring a small child, but who knows. Ron does have guns. Maybe he has taken the children into this spot.

There is also a canal to the north-west which leads to the river. It's a housing subdivision without woods. There appears to be a mooring area for residents boats.

Anyone know the exact area where her scent was tracked?

[Peaches]

I wonder if this is the same "cousin" who told her Ron was high when he had his accident. (even though he passed a drug test)


All of this was here say...............where was the cousin? Could she not tell GR this information herself.

Seems a lot of bashing to me.

I pray that no one that Haleigh loved hurt her. She deserves so much better.

[Mimi428]

Well, I am glad you said "JMO", cause my sister did exactly that with both of her girls starting from the age of 3. I used to get so mad at her cause she would sit down and "discuss" things with the girls... including consequences and they would still be bad... However, over time, they got the picture and today they really appreciate that she did that with them. I on the other hand.. yelled and yelled and got nowhere. My kids are good kids and I am not a bad or abusive mother but people have different ways of raising their children. If the child knows the consequences, they are accountable for their actions, and MANY parents start this very young. Just ask Dr Phil. LOL

You appear to be in total misunderstanding of what bothers me about the situation.

Sitting down & discussing the problems you perceive in your child's behavior (no matter how young) does not worry me in the slightest.

Taking great care to explain that the way you hit your child conforms to the DCF rules for discipline - and stating that you (an adult) have an agreement with a little child (age 5) whereas you are "daddy" and she is "daughter" does not strike me as being remotely similar to what your sister's methods of discipline were.

IOW, Ron seems to be promoting the idea that he & Haleigh had an agreement about him spanking her. That, IMO, is preposterous. I can hardly imagine his child saying, "dad, I am not in agreement with you" in that situation. Can you?

What sort of spankings do you think a person arrested & convicted for fighting in a public place would give? What sort of spankings do you imagine the man we heard on the 911 phone calls would give? What do you think he would do should the spankee say, "gee, I want to alter the AGREEMENT we have about you spanking me"?

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I just wish LE would eliminate one or all three of them as possible suspects so the attention would be turned elsewhere. For some reason they won't even tell us if they passed their LDT's or not and I also wonder why the trailer is still being held as a crime scene after two weeks.

(Hey please send me a link to what you're referring to elsewhere.)

I have a huge hinky meter alarm going off about LE keeping them all outta that trailer for so long. As I've never seen this done in other cases. And I wonder why.

[Mandysmom]

Maybe charges dropped due to becoming informant?

I don't think so. In our county, we have a referral program where offenders are offered drug classes and have drug testing for a period of months.

Sounds to me like this is what he did, he complied and went through the program successfully.

It's a good program/option for non violent offenders of drug possession charges to do and avoid jail time.

It's a chance to turn your life around. Many do, some don't.

ETA: I see that he had another program he went through. Nothing to do apparently with being a drug trafficker or repeat offender as Geraldo was trying to throw out there.

For Geraldo to even throw out the suggestion that Ronald Cummings was an informant working for the police was irresponsible at best, and smacks of what he did while in Iraq.

[Rileyj26]

Why are you all getting hung up on a insurance policy? Seriously my husband and I were in seperate states at one point 3000 miles away and he started a job and took life insurance out on the children and we weren't together at the time. Its really NOT that uncommon for a parent to have a life policy on their child. Especially if it was done through an employer. GOOD night lets not get to the other kinds of fishy stuff that was going on IN the home prior to her going missing. Possible drug use ...the LACK of education support for the children..including the babysitter. Underage smoking....which causes second hand smoke which is a HUGE problem with children. Which brings me back to another issue I have with these "parents" if Haleigh had a health issue and her heart had issues WHY WOULD YOU HAVE SMOKE ON YOUR CLOTHES or smoke in front of her? GEE makes you wonder if their well being was EVER taken into consideration.

[Mommy0f4]

I have a huge hinky meter alarm going off about LE keeping them all outta that trailer for so long. As I've never seen this done in other cases. And I wonder why.

I have wondered this as well, within days of Jessica Lunsford going missing there were pictures of her room etc shown.

Sorry for just jumping in, I posted a lot during the Lunsford case and I do not remember my username etc

[Rileyj26]

You don't have to be a smoker for smoking to harm you. You can also have health problems from breathing in other people's smoke. Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke that comes from the burning end of a cigarette, cigar or pipe and the smoke exhaled by the smoker. Secondhand smoke contains more than 50 substances that can cause cancer. Health effects of exposure to secondhand smoke include lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, respiratory tract infections and heart disease.

There is no safe amount of secondhand smoke. Children, pregnant women, older people and people with heart or breathing problems should be especially careful.

National Cancer Institute

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html

[emdragon]

Why are you all getting hung up on a insurance policy? Seriously my husband and I were in seperate states at one point 3000 miles away and he started a job and took life insurance out on the children and we weren't together at the time. Its really NOT that uncommon for a parent to have a life policy on their child. Especially if it was done through an employer. GOOD night lets not get to the other kinds of fishy stuff that was going on IN the home prior to her going missing. Possible drug use ...the LACK of education support for the children..including the babysitter. Underage smoking....which causes second hand smoke which is a HUGE problem with children. Which brings me back to another issue I have with these "parents" if Haleigh had a health issue and her heart had issues WHY WOULD YOU HAVE SMOKE ON YOUR CLOTHES or smoke in front of her? GEE makes you wonder if their well being was EVER taken into consideration.

Right. Because if that life insurance policy was a large one and taken out recently and then the child goes missing it means nothing but a father smoking means he didn't care for his child and must have done something.. Right got it.

[IlliniFan]

I have wondered this as well, within days of Jessica Lunsford going missing there were pictures of her room etc shown.

Sorry for just jumping in, I posted a lot during the Lunsford case and I do not remember my username etc

My only thought on this is that perhaps LE is waiting for results from whatever was removed from the home. I would think though, that any testing from this case would take priority since we have a missing child.

[Rileyj26]

Where is your link that said it was a LARGE policy and taken out RIGHT before she disappeared? She stated she had NEVER been in the home....whomever had taken her HAD been in the home...they didn't fumble for lights didn't trip over chairs or tables they KNEW where everything was.

[playnice]

I agree with you, it's odd that LE is holding on to it for so long.
Was there ever a search warrant issued?

Will Ron still hav to pay the rent while LE is holding the trailer?

[msgatorslayer]

I agree with you, it's odd that LE is holding on to it for so long.
Was there ever a search warrant issued?

I'm not up to par on the facts of this one, Mr. L but I don't recall hearing about one. And I haven't seen a doc dump, so...:biggrin:

Even when Melinda killed herself in her grands home, they were escorted out of the house for a bit so LE could process the scene but if I recall correctly, they were back that night, if not, the next day.

Melinda, while saying she didn't want to be at the apartment, was not told she couldn't go back to it. With the Lunsfords, they never left their home either. Both being other cases where the child was reported to have been taken from their beds while sleeping.

The way I see it, even if LE thinks that Ron or Misti have something to do with this crime, they've had the scene processed for evidence within hours. So why are they still holding onto it as a crime scene and not allowing the family back in? It's weird.

[KatyDid]

I have a huge hinky meter alarm going off about LE keeping them all outta that trailer for so long. As I've never seen this done in other cases. And I wonder why.

Mine is off the charts too gator. It seems odd to keep the house closed off this long. Maybe they already found something and are waiting for tests to come back before they release the house. Maybe they need test results to know what else to look for in the house.

I dunno, just guessing.

[Moondancer]

Will Ron still hav to pay the rent while LE is holding the trailer?

Somebody should pay the poor landlord. He/she has bills too! Could the police dept. pay?

[msgatorslayer]

Will Ron still hav to pay the rent while LE is holding the trailer?

I imagine so. He/She has bills to pay. Unless they can afford to let him slide and are willing to do so.

[Motomom]

Yes, I agree.
So basically, she wakes up, finds the girl missing, what does she do, sit and wait for Ron to get home? I mean I am sure there had to be a house phone, or maybe she had a cell phone, when there are children its important to have a phone for emergencies, wouldnt she have called him on his cell, or did everything happen so fast? Did she really find the girl gone, notice the door, and seconds later Ron was home?

I think they both had to get rid of some stuff before they opened their home to the cops personally.

Something isn't right......

moo

I would like to see what the phone records show as to when she called Ron that night. With the way the info stands, I see nothing wrong with the timeing of the 911 call. She wasn't sure exactly what time she woke up, she remembers a 3. You have to allow for a few minutes of getting up and realizing the door is open, and then lookin for Haleigh.. Now I'm not sure where she looked. I would have looked through the house, more than once, checked every closet, every nook and cranny, would have went outside, yelled for her, ran around the house, checked in any cars.. then I would have probably called Ron and 911..if I were misty that is. Because I can't imagine being in the middle of a panic like that, at 3 am, woken up and find a kid missing. I mean, what do you do.. it's easy to say call 911 and most of us would, but I can see where you wouldn't be thinking clearly. She calls ron, he's just about home, that's why he doesn't answer, IIRC..he pulls in and she's at the door. He says why you calling me, call 911.. so IMO there is nothing wrong with the way the call went down. I don't hink Ron had anything to do with Haleigh gone.. not sure about MIsty yet.

[Rileyj26]

Maybe the community can take up a donation ..because it isn't fair to the landlord especially if he has a mortgage on it.

[msgatorslayer]

I have wondered this as well, within days of Jessica Lunsford going missing there were pictures of her room etc shown.

Sorry for just jumping in, I posted a lot during the Lunsford case and I do not remember my username etc

Welcome back. Post away!! And stay around this time, lol

There is something going on here. Somesing not right!!!

[Motomom]

I thought an odd part of the Geraldo interview was GR asking Ron.."have you ever hit your daughter?" Ron says.."NO! I have an agreement with my daughter..."

Eh?

That was weird wording, but remember, he isn't use to being in front of cameras and words can be hard to find at times. I took it to mean that my daughter knows, if she's bad, she'll get a smack on her butt. My kid knows he's losing his bike or he's punished to his room if he doesn't do something.. so I think he just meant that she knew the consequences. Plus..imagine your ex on tv throwin out these accusations when the child is missing..instead of going to LE..she's a bitter scorned woman IMO..she doesn't have the kids for a reason IMO..and now's her chance to make him look worse.JMO though.

[Mommy0f4]

I would like to see what the phone records show as to when she called Ron that night. With the way the info stands, I see nothing wrong with the timeing of the 911 call. She wasn't sure exactly what time she woke up, she remembers a 3. You have to allow for a few minutes of getting up and realizing the door is open, and then lookin for Haleigh.. Now I'm not sure where she looked. I would have looked through the house, more than once, checked every closet, every nook and cranny, would have went outside, yelled for her, ran around the house, checked in any cars.. then I would have probably called Ron and 911..if I were misty that is. Because I can't imagine being in the middle of a panic like that, at 3 am, woken up and find a kid missing. I mean, what do you do.. it's easy to say call 911 and most of us would, but I can see where you wouldn't be thinking clearly. She calls ron, he's just about home, that's why he doesn't answer, IIRC..he pulls in and she's at the door. He says why you calling me, call 911.. so IMO there is nothing wrong with the way the call went down. I don't hink Ron had anything to do with Haleigh gone.. not sure about MIsty yet.


I totally agree with you on the time and calling 911, I know a few times my kiddos have hidden well from me. I remember my daughter who was 4 at the time hiding behind a curtian. I came out of the restroom called her, looked up and down for her, checked the locks, looked EVERY where I could think of , I didn't even think about calling 911 and it was a good 10minutes I was in a complete panic looking for her.

[caphill]

Here are the details from the arrest in December of 2002. I have no idea why the DA eventually decided to not procede. Perhaps it has something to do with item #22, SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT. Or it could be that they didn't have much to go on in the first place. Elephino.

JMO

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542002CF002133XXAXMX
File Date: 2002-12-12 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: SIKES, LARRY E
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2002-12-12 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO (ARREST 12/12/2002) POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNAL, BOND SET AT $ 2,504 SECURED BLANKET

2002-12-12 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2002-12-12 3 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2002-12-12 4 $ 2,504 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - # 365649

2003-01-20 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-20 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT

2003-01-21 10 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF COCAINE, CT 2-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS LESS THAN 20 GRAMS)

2003-01-28 7 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT
PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 02/04/2003

2003-01-28 8 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE

2003-02-04 9 DRUG HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT NOT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY KURT TEIFKE, DEFENDANT NOT INTERESTED IN DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED DRUG COURT, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET

2003-02-05 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-26-2003)

2003-02-26 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 04/01/2003.

2003-02-26 13 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-02-26 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-02-26 16 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 05/05/2003.

2003-02-26 17 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2003-02-26 18 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003

2003-03-05 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003)

2003-04-01 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY LARRY SIKES ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO 05/27/2003

2003-04-08 22 SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT

2003-04-10 21 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-27-2003)

2003-05-27 23 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT

2003-05-27 24 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN BK 374 PG 597





Nolle Prosequi is Latin for DO NOT PURSUE

Simply put the prosecutors dropped the charges. Nolle Prosequi is not ususally granted unless it is concluded the defendant is innocent.

One would think that Geraldo and Fox would check public records before going on national TV to infer that Ron was a druggie.