Monday 2/23 Thread for Haleigh [Archive] - Page 4

4Kids

02-24-2009, 12:06 AM

Nice post, but I think you took my words out of context. Sure there are wonderful people like you describe your hub coming from disadvantaged backgrounds and are the creme de le creme of society. Then we have the society people who turn into the worst dregs in the world.

My observation of Ron, and what I have learned of his lifestyle is he imitates being a gangsta wanna be. Mr.Tough Guy. Its one of the quirks he has, to feel empowered, he chooses young girls that he can impose this persona on, he likes the power and control he can excude. He IMO, has arrested development, and his sense of propriety is lacking. Course looking over crowd that post on Myspace from his circle, I can see why Ron thinks this behavior is the norm. Many seem to think so.

moo

I have a feeling you would feel the same about my hub even today. Still has that edge. Perhpas that is why I won't go there with Ron. In fact, thus far in this case, Ron seems to be the only one truly concerned with this missing child. Not bio mom or grandma. Not bio mom's boyfriend, Not Misty. Just Ron...living in his tent...begging people to help him find his child. I may be wrong. I have been plenty of times...just today...lol.

IMHO

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:10 AM

Can someone post the link to Ron's rap sheet, please? i looked in the links but i dont see it. A Big Thank u.

I found one of them Bubbles:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

bkwits

02-24-2009, 12:11 AM

uggg here we go again... She was old enough to watch children.. Most sitters are younger than that.. nothing wrong with leaving 2 children in the care of a 17 yr old.. try and find a sitter over the age of 18.. good luck with that. I have 3 young kids..trust me it isn't easy..I'd go out on a limb and say you were lucky to get a sitter that old. So you think the judge gives ron the kids and he is never allowed to move out?? LMAO.. Crystal is an admitted drug abuser.. are we forgetting that.. in her lovely tale of abuse, she was mad and basically throwing a tantrum because she had just found out she was pregnant and couldn't do coke anymore..That's what she said.. ok well i added the tantrum, but IMO that's exactly what it boiled down to. So she had to kind of admit to her own wrong doing, in order to bash ron some more.. He didn't put his daughter at risk at this point, by having a 17 yr old watch her.. not at all..IMO

Hi Motomom,

I'm trying to catch up with this story, but it seems not much has changed. I do agree with your posts that I've read.

The people involved here are not perfect people. They are poor or at least lower middle class, struggling with unemployment, low wages, unmarried young pregnancies, addictions. They are not the Cleaver family. But they are human and have suffered a devastating event. Neither parent here is without fault, but who is. I don't know if any family member had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, but I don't think swearing has any bearing on guilt or innocence. I hesitate to get on these boards with missing children because so many times famly members are demonized without any evidence, whatsoever. I do feel so sorry for the all those involved. I do feel free to change my mind, however, as more facts become known.

IMO

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:11 AM

<bolded mine>

Who said anything about being uptight? I'm strictly speaking to the fact that some very young females aren't going to adjust well to extremely stressful situations. I'm not being uptight or pointing the finger at Misty, I'm merely pointing out the numerous stress factors involved in Misty's day to day life. I don't care if people choose to believe that Misty could take on all she took on, that is their opinion. My opinion is that Misty was under an extreme amount of pressure on a regular basis and perhaps that has something to do with the case. She is/was way too young and immature to handle it all, my opinion only.

I said something about being uptight .. I didn't say YOU were. I'm trying to explain my thoughts and that is.. not everyone is as uptight as others. Nowhere does that mean that uptight is wrong, but I've seen it numerous..numerous times posted on this board tonight, within the last few pages even. Some people are much more laid back then others.. you have people that do not think 17 is old enough to have sat with these kids at night.... to me that's a bit uptight(maybe someone else would use a different word) .. 17 is plenty old enough IMO. I dont' think caring for 2 kids is a stressful situation. She isn't working (or is she, i have no idea) Or should I say, doesn't amount to alot of pressure IMO. Unless she was working,raising kids, or raising kids and worrying about bills, responsible for them on and on. I dont think she had that kind of responsibility.. Ron worked, he most likely paid the bills since she's only been around 6 months.. They dont' seem to have alot and simpler is better..have less..less worry IMO.. Am I making sense or no? I'm trying to LOL.. I just don't think that using her age as an excuse to bash ron is right. I am very laid back, nothing much offends me..not everyone is like that.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:12 AM

I know JUST what you mean!
It may have been the appearance of overreaction??
Something....

I'm sure the link is somewhere..should I rewatch it? Cause overreaction.. fake that's what I thought with him and I'm telling you, I only saw it for a little bit..

4Kids

02-24-2009, 12:14 AM

Classy post. Some people do change.
Folks certainly are quick to judge the appearance of a person and where they live or come from, they forget-----"there but for the grace of god".

That quote is repeated often here in my house. Many people are a few paycheck away from living in a trailer. I also tell my kids...if you are lucky enough to live here, you are lucy enough. Thanks for the nice welcoming post. I was hesitant to post...I am too opinionated to be popular for long. LOL.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:14 AM

What happened to Ron's rap sheet? I dont see it in the links section. TIA

It's within this thread.. sorry I didn't save it.. I'm gonna say.. maybe around page 15/16 it's on.. I think. Then another was posted from another county after that too.

bluwaters

02-24-2009, 12:15 AM

I've always thought dispatcher to be a thankless (and likely way underpaid) job. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.

My daughter had a good friend who's Mom was a dispatcher. She was a wonderful woman...and is no longer with us. Too young. Anyhoo....not that it's ethical, but she provided us with lots of local crime info. On the down low for sure.
Ron's mother, Teresa Neves, is a dispatcher for the Alachua County Sheriff's Office. Alachua county is an adjoining county to Putnam. Gainesville and UF are in Alachua county.

I think that it would be an extremely frustrating and difficult job.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:17 AM

Can someone post the link to Ron's rap sheet, please? i looked in the links but i dont see it. A Big Thank u.

Bubbles look on page 8, post #302.

Myst

02-24-2009, 12:17 AM

I haven't either..I don't blame any of them for not getting in front of the media though. Look at what Geraldo just did.

Well.. you do make a good point! :laugh:

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 12:18 AM

I'll repeat.
The guy shows class.

He does?

Can you give us some examples? I can't say that I have seen or heard anything from him that I could describe as having class.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:18 AM

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Thanks so much, Tinker. :)

You're quite welcome, Bubbles. :smile:

bluwaters

02-24-2009, 12:19 AM

Bubbles, I don't have those links; but I do still have another one that had a lot of factual information.

I'm new here; still learning :smile:
Not bubbles, but, please, if you haven't already, post your link.
Info is what we need.
We get cranky when there isn't anything new to discuss. :wink:

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:20 AM

Hi Motomom,

I'm trying to catch up with this story, but it seems not much has changed. I do agree with your posts that I've read.

The people involved here are not perfect people. They are poor or at least lower middle class, struggling with unemployment, low wages, unmarried young pregnancies, addictions. They are not the Cleaver family. But they are human and have suffered a devastating event. Neither parent here is without fault, but who is. I don't know if any family member had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, but I don't think swearing has any bearing on guilt or innocence. I hesitate to get on these boards with missing children because so many times famly members are demonized without any evidence, whatsoever. I do feel so sorry for the all those involved. I do feel free to change my mind, however, as more facts become known.

IMO
bkwits.. exactly.. If more facts come out about the family, something relevant to Haleigh being missing, I'll change my tune in a heartbeat. I think that some people on here may know people like Ron.. I know I do. And when I think about those people, and think that God forbid their child goes missing I know the reaction they would have and know the reaction they would get on here too.. would be the same as what Ron is getting.. and I know those people like ron, that I know.. would give their life for their child.. so that's what I keep in mind.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:21 AM

Not bubbles, but, please, if you haven't already, post your link.
Info is what we need.
We get cranky when there isn't anything new to discuss. :wink:

Hi bluwaters; I did post the other link but will do so again; per your request:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.0

bluwaters

02-24-2009, 12:22 AM

The media NEVER showed it again!

We're all sick of the clips of everyone else replayed adnauseam...
But not THAT ONE.

Wonder why I feel sso uspicious about him.....?:thumbdown:
I would love to see that.
I only saw him briefly on geraldo last night.

bluwaters

02-24-2009, 12:23 AM

Hi bluwaters; I did post the other link but will do so again; per your request:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.0
Thank you! :smile:

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 12:23 AM

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:24 AM

Thank you! :smile:

You are very welcome, bluwaters! :smile:

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:31 AM

You're making sense, I hope I am, lol. I read your post and understand it, but surely you are not implying that Misty didn't have a lot of stress? She didn't just babysit with those kids at night. I'm sure Ron slept, so she may have been responsible in the morning to get the kids up, ready and off to school. From what she stated about laundry, knowing what Misty was wearing or not wearing, stating she was exhausted that night from her hard day, etc. makes me think she was indeed under a lot of stress.

I'm on the fence with it all, I think Misty, Ron and Crystal have shady backgrounds, but that doesn't mean they did anything to Haleigh. Still, even though I am on the fence, at this point I have a feeling that at least one of the three knows something, but which of the three it would be, I'm not certain. imo.

I would add Chad to the list. Haleigh was in school all day ( or was it half day), so she only had jr.. we dont' really know what capacity Ron's mother was involved in helping too. I know she was devestated when haleigh first went missing. I guess it's hard to think that watching those kids was stressful, coming from me. from my life kwim? That life seems very simple to me. I would like simple LOL. kind of like, no overhead so to speak. Another thing too, I'm not sure Ron worked 7 days a week .. usually 12 hour sits on 4 on3 off and vice versa aren't they. It would be nice to know his schedule.

Sorry for the typos and missing letters.. i swear every day, a new letter on my keyboard is sticking or falling off..grrr.

forensicfan

02-24-2009, 12:32 AM

Since the outcome is not known at this time don't you think you're over-thinking it to come to a conclusion without any evidence to support your theory?

Obviously someone took her. She's not there. It's the who that's unknown to us.

I was being a smart azz with my "theory". I don't have a theory right now. I'm baffled like everyone else.

I do have a question though, do they know for certain that this person entered through that door? Although it is UNLIKELY an intruder entering through a window would take the time to close that window, it's a possibility.

Could the lock have been picked? I don't know much about locks so if that's a stupid question, forgive my ignorance.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 12:34 AM

I would love to see that.
I only saw him briefly on geraldo last night.

I'll take one for the team and go to the links and look for it.. cause i'm pretty sure it's there.

emdragon

02-24-2009, 12:34 AM

Its not odd at all, that Crystal finally told this story about Junior. Keep in mind the first week of Haleigh's disappearance, she did not see Junior. Her visitation was the weekend before this one. And with that she had to get LE to intervene with Ron as he was giving her flak about seeing him. (((Things that make you go hmm, why not, was hee afraid what Junior would tell). I digress, as soon as Junior told Crystal, she relayed the info to LE. Junior was then interviewed by child advocates experienced in questioning children in matters of this type. Her next weekend is approaching, let's see if Ron willingly gives Junior up.

moo

I'm pretty sure Jr spent the night with Crystal during the first week- She had gone to the Hospital with dehydration and they said being with her son helped her a lot. I remember it because it was the only time i saw anything close to a maternal need from Crystal.

Zeus

02-24-2009, 12:36 AM

Sure, I have a couple for you.

Ron is polite to arse-hole reporters.

Ron isn't slinging mud about Haleigh's mother.

I agree---Especially about not slinging mud at Haleigh's mother. She on the other hand, never misses an opportunity to say something negative about him.

I'll also add, Ron isn't giving out much information, which I'm sure is the way LE wants it. Crystal is blabbing everything she hears about the case.

4Kids

02-24-2009, 12:36 AM

Its not odd at all, that Crystal finally told this story about Junior. Keep in mind the first week of Haleigh's disappearance, she did not see Junior. Her visitation was the weekend before this one. And with that she had to get LE to intervene with Ron as he was giving her flak about seeing him. (((Things that make you go hmm, why not, was hee afraid what Junior would tell). I digress, as soon as Junior told Crystal, she relayed the info to LE. Junior was then interviewed by child advocates experienced in questioning children in matters of this type. Her next weekend is approaching, let's see if Ron willingly gives Junior up.

moo

So Junior was interviewed more than one week later? Not on the night of the incident or perhaps the next day? Why would Ron not tell Junior to tell LE this early on. Why wait until visitation weekend? Is that your insinuation, that Ron planted the info or Ron WAS the man in black?

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 12:38 AM

Its not odd at all, that Crystal finally told this story about Junior. Keep in mind the first week of Haleigh's disappearance, she did not see Junior. Her visitation was the weekend before this one. And with that she had to get LE to intervene with Ron as he was giving her flak about seeing him. (((Things that make you go hmm, why not, was hee afraid what Junior would tell). I digress, as soon as Junior told Crystal, she relayed the info to LE. Junior was then interviewed by child advocates experienced in questioning children in matters of this type. Her next weekend is approaching, let's see if Ron willingly gives Junior up.

moo

I kinda see your point, but shouldn't visitation rights be the LAST thing these parents are thinking about just now? Anyone know if Jr. is in the tent with Daddy? Not appropriate. That poor little boy has to be traumatized. Who is taking care of him? I'm not buying either story. Folks (family...is who I am talking about)....how about put your differences aside and focus on finding Haleigh? What a mess....and this sweet little girl has VANISHED.

These parents are just not right.

IMO.....Mimi

4Kids

02-24-2009, 12:38 AM

I agree---Especially about not slinging mud at Haleigh's mother. She on the other hand, never misses an opportunity to say something negative about him.

I'll also add, Ron isn't giving out much information, which I'm sure is the way LE wants it. Crystal is blabbing everything she hears about the case.

It is what he has not done that makes him classy. I agree with you folks. He reminds me very much of Mark Lunsford. Redneck...edgy...poor...yet classy. Yes, it is possible!

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:39 AM

I have questions about Junior's story or memory of the kidnapper. First, he is only (just turned) 4 years old. While young children's statements can be credible; it is also possible that a child of that age can be confused with what is real and what is not.

For example, he could have dreamed about the intruder; or maybe he didn't. It's also possible that he desperately wants to "help"; it's also possible that he has been coached or even overheard others' theories.

I would not discount his statements; but, I would definitely want to enlist the help and guidance of child psychologists.

IMHO

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 12:40 AM

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591

.................................................. ................................After hearing the 4 year old describe " a man in black stole my sissy", I thought this picture was spooky. MOO :ohmy:

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 12:43 AM

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:45 AM

My state's law dictates that scheduled, court ordered visitation can not be withheld without the possibility of legal ramifications.

Child support and visitation are completely separate issues here.

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 12:46 AM

Sure, I have a couple for you.

Ron is polite to arse-hole reporters.

Ron isn't slinging mud about Haleigh's mother.

I would rather he be HONEST than polite, especially when what he is lying about has the possibility of being related to the reason his child is missing.

What do you suppose he would be saying about Crystal if Haleigh had gone missing from HER house? I don't know about you, but my guess is that he would find plenty of mud to sling, if he & Crystal were to be in reversed positions.

JMO

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 12:48 AM

kkmiausa

02-24-2009, 12:50 AM

Early in the case dad told Greta he works from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. He said he got home at 3:27a.m. and the 911 call is logged @3:27a.m.

More alarming to me than his vulgar language is how did he know what happened to his daughter, that 1 male criminal took her, by breaking & entering, using a crowbar. He couldn't possibly have known she didn't wander. He said he did a quick look around the house but it had to have been warp-speed because from the time the 911 call is logged you can hear him talking to g/f. He was standing right by her.

He knew too many details if he's in the dark about what happened as he claims.

Sheriff said there's no signs of breakin anywhere. dad said there was after having said there wasn't on the 911 call.

I heard it was a 10 minute drive. Where is his crane located at which job site?

4Kids

02-24-2009, 12:51 AM

I would rather he be HONEST than polite, especially when what he is lying about has the possibility of being related to the reason his child is missing.

What do you suppose he would be saying about Crystal if Haleigh had gone missing from HER house? I don't know about you, but my guess is that he would find plenty of mud to sling, if he & Crystal were to be in reversed positions.

JMO

Has he been dishonest or uncooperative with LE ?

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:51 AM

I am curious about the timing. Today? Something is wrong. Very.

The timing is also questionable, IMHO; but he is only a very young 4 year old...

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 12:52 AM

Hm, it says users have to login to view photos. That's what I got at any rate. I checked the link and see NO where you have to be signed in. i have no my space page and was able to view it.
Maybe you don`t want to see it. hummmmm.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 12:54 AM

Check out picture I just posted on new thread. Maybe this child is right. Quinky Dink??

Sorry, I don't know about or where the new thread is you referenced.

emdragon

02-24-2009, 12:55 AM

There was a media report last week, either FIrst Coast news, or the Jacksonville paper that wrote about Crystal appealing to LE to have Ron release Junior to her for her scheduled weekend visit.

moo

Well she spent his Birthday with him on the 17th so it doesn't sound like Ron was keeping him from her.

(still looking for the link when she first had him over night after Haleigh went missing)

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 12:55 AM

My state's law dictates that scheduled, court ordered visitation can not be withheld without the possibility of legal ramifications.

Child support and visitation are completely separate issues here.

I'm from Georgia.....and know for a fact that visitation and child support are separate issues. Trust me....no child support, but he took me to court many times over visitation. Guess he got tired.

By the way....low life trash he was. Yes...I made the same mistakes Crystal and Misty have. Not saying I firmly believe Ron to have had anything to do with Haleigh's dissaperance. Actually, doubt it. Still on the fence....for whatever reason.

Night yall.

PinkyPoo

02-24-2009, 12:57 AM

Its not odd at all, that Crystal finally told this story about Junior. Keep in mind the first week of Haleigh's disappearance, she did not see Junior. Her visitation was the weekend before this one. And with that she had to get LE to intervene with Ron as he was giving her flak about seeing him. (((Things that make you go hmm, why not, was hee afraid what Junior would tell). I digress, as soon as Junior told Crystal, she relayed the info to LE. Junior was then interviewed by child advocates experienced in questioning children in matters of this type. Her next weekend is approaching, let's see if Ron willingly gives Junior up.

moo

No way do I belive that LE waited an entire week before talking to Jr. LE is just not that stupid.
Do you have anything to support that as fact? (other then the words of CS)

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 12:58 AM

Sorry, I don't know about or where the new thread is you referenced.
Go back to the original Haleigh threads and you will see it. Please let me know if the links works for you.

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:00 AM

The timing is also questionable, IMHO; but he is only a very young 4 year old...

I know he has just turned 4. Still odd. Another thing....why the heck the mess with visitation? Shouldn't Jr. be with grandparents...name a set, so that his Mom and Dad could actively participate in the search for his big sister? Seems so many family members just sit around, waiting on the cameras. I am so amazed.

PinkyPoo

02-24-2009, 01:00 AM

Go back to the original Haleigh threads and you will see it. Please let me know if the links works for you.\

Can you post a link here?

Zeus

02-24-2009, 01:01 AM

Has he been dishonest or uncooperative with LE ?

According to LE, both he and Misty have been fully cooperative and have let it be known they are available 24/7 for any additional questioning.

aubrey04

02-24-2009, 01:03 AM

I said something about being uptight .. I didn't say YOU were. I'm trying to explain my thoughts and that is.. not everyone is as uptight as others. Nowhere does that mean that uptight is wrong, but I've seen it numerous..numerous times posted on this board tonight, within the last few pages even. Some people are much more laid back then others.. you have people that do not think 17 is old enough to have sat with these kids at night.... to me that's a bit uptight(maybe someone else would use a different word) .. 17 is plenty old enough IMO. I dont' think caring for 2 kids is a stressful situation. She isn't working (or is she, i have no idea) Or should I say, doesn't amount to alot of pressure IMO. Unless she was working,raising kids, or raising kids and worrying about bills, responsible for them on and on. I dont think she had that kind of responsibility.. Ron worked, he most likely paid the bills since she's only been around 6 months.. They dont' seem to have alot and simpler is better..have less..less worry IMO.. Am I making sense or no? I'm trying to LOL.. I just don't think that using her age as an excuse to bash ron is right. I am very laid back, nothing much offends me..not everyone is like that.

You don't think taking care of two young children is stressful? At ANY age it is stressful, much less taking care of 2 kids - who are not your children - at barely age 17.

I am a little bewildered that you don't think taking care of 2 young children is a handful. I think this girl was in way over her head.

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:04 AM

No way do I belive that LE waited an entire week before talking to Jr. LE is just not that stupid.
Do you have anything to support that as fact? (other then the words of CS)

Exactly. There is nothing to support it as fact that I know of. If someone can dig something up, bad for LE. Really bad.

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 01:06 AM

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591

Zeus

02-24-2009, 01:06 AM

No way do I belive that LE waited an entire week before talking to Jr. LE is just not that stupid.
Do you have anything to support that as fact? (other then the words of CS)

I don't believe it either.

I bet LE isn't all that pleased that Crystal is running her mouth to the media giving out this information either. If LE wanted it to be known, they would have said so in one of their daily PCs.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:06 AM

Crystal Sheffield said the child was being handled by child psychologists. That they're careful not to discuss it with him. my paraphrase. Nancy Grace's show a few days ago.

It doesn't seem very likely he would have a dream about an intruder by chance the night his sister disappeared. Unless he saw an intruder and that's his way of saying it. I agree that a child that age might or might not be credible in describing memory. Also, children hear a lot of things adults are saying when adults think they're being discrete.

I understand that child specialists were used during the questioning of Junior (I don't have a link; this is just what I understood). I wasn't suggesting that a dream, if any occurred, on the night that Haleigh went missing. ]

Perhaps if there was a dream it was recent; perhaps it was vivid and Junior felt that it was real?

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 01:07 AM

Has he been dishonest or uncooperative with LE ?

I don't know. If you do, fill us in. TIA

Meanwhile, unless & until he ONLY wants LE involved in searching for his daughter, it would behoove him to STOP being deceptive to the public. I think he is consistently shooting himself in the foot by denying & contradicting information that is readily available to the public. Pile that on to the utterly bizarre declarations he has made about a situation which he was not around at the time & therefore couldn't know anything about & it adds up to people thinking it would be a waste of time to try to sort through his lies, his threats & his weird assertions.

I could not care less how much he cusses, how much he smokes, if he has been arrested in every freakin' county in the state of Florida on drug charges - but I DO give a crap that he doesn't have the b@lls to stand up like a MAN & do right by his missing child! You can't do right in a situation like this by LYING & being deliberately deceptive.

There is NO comparison of this man to the Lunsford & Groene fathers - who also had imperfect backgrounds, but who did actually care more about their missing children than lying about their histories & who did stand up like MEN & laid it all out, so that LE & the public could actually try to help them.

JMO

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:10 AM

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591

What the? Lost. I see no connection.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:10 AM

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

found it.. griffis interview

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:11 AM

I don't know. If you do, fill us in. TIA

Meanwhile, unless & until he ONLY wants LE involved in searching for his daughter, it would behoove him to STOP being deceptive to the public. I think he is consistently shooting himself in the foot by denying & contradicting information that is readily available to the public. Pile that on to the utterly bizarre declarations he has made about a situation which he was not around at the time & therefore couldn't know anything about & it adds up to people thinking it would be a waste of time to try to sort through his lies, his threats & his weird assertions.

I could not care less how much he cusses, how much he smokes, if he has been arrested in every freakin' county in the state of Florida on drug charges - but I DO give a crap that he doesn't have the b@lls to stand up like a MAN & do right by his missing child! You can't do right in a situation like this by LYING & being deliberately deceptive.

There is NO comparison of this man to the Lunsford & Groene fathers - who also had imperfect backgrounds, but who did actually care more about their missing children than lying about their histories & who did stand up like MEN & laid it all out, so that LE & the public could actually try to help them.

JMO

Gee Mimi...sorry for the question. I was seriously asking as I thought I missed something. What did he lie to the public about? Thanks for the warm welcome to the board. If LE lets me in on what he lied to them about...you'll be the first to know.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:11 AM

Remember Bobby Cutz, the cop who killed his preg GF. Wasnt it that case when the child, forgot how old, he said mommys hurt and under the rug, or something like that?

Yes, son Blake, did make a number of statements that helped in the investigation and subsequent conviction, IMHO.

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 01:12 AM

What the? Lost. I see no connection.
IMO, the connection is this picture is on Misty`s cousin`s my space page.

emdragon

02-24-2009, 01:13 AM

There was a media report last week, either FIrst Coast news, or the Jacksonville paper that wrote about Crystal appealing to LE to have Ron release Junior to her for her scheduled weekend visit.

moo

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160919/-1/SPORTS?Title=Prayer_service_for_Haleigh_scheduled_ tonight

Sheffield had her son - Haleigh’s brother - Ronald Cummings Jr. for a visitation this past weekend.

She had Jr that first week-end which was her scheduled visitation time.

I knew she had him with in the first few days.
if she was pleading with LE it was for more time with him not because Ron wouldn't allow her scheduled visit.

Zeus

02-24-2009, 01:15 AM

I don't know. If you do, fill us in. TIA

Meanwhile, unless & until he ONLY wants LE involved in searching for his daughter, it would behoove him to STOP being deceptive to the public. I think he is consistently shooting himself in the foot by denying & contradicting information that is readily available to the public. Pile that on to the utterly bizarre declarations he has made about a situation which he was not around at the time & therefore couldn't know anything about & it adds up to people thinking it would be a waste of time to try to sort through his lies, his threats & his weird assertions.

I could not care less how much he cusses, how much he smokes, if he has been arrested in every freakin' county in the state of Florida on drug charges - but I DO give a crap that he doesn't have the b@lls to stand up like a MAN & do right by his missing child! You can't do right in a situation like this by LYING & being deliberately deceptive.

There is NO comparison of this man to the Lunsford & Groene fathers - who also had imperfect backgrounds, but who did actually care more about their missing children than lying about their histories & who did stand up like MEN & laid it all out, so that LE & the public could actually try to help them.

JMO

LE doesn't want certain information given out to the public. Think he should give it out anyway just because you want to know?

The man was out with TES searching for his daughter and when they left, he waited for people to show up to help him search. I don't know how many or if any showed up but he's been out there looking.

kkmiausa

02-24-2009, 01:17 AM

Gee Mimi...sorry for the question. I was seriously asking as I thought I missed something. What did he lie to the public about? Thanks for the warm welcome to the board. If LE lets me in on what he lied to them about...you'll be the first to know.

spanking didn't count. He said he never had a fight with a man over a gun. Even though his own mother and Misty say he did.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:18 AM

Please forgive me, I'm new here; given that this thread has well over 1,000 posts should a new one be started?

HI_CYCLE

02-24-2009, 01:18 AM

I was ask what the connection to Haleigh. Well this photo is on Misty`s cousin that lives in Daytona, my space page. Is the what JR. was describing to his mother?

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 01:19 AM

Gee Mimi...sorry for the question. I was seriously asking as I thought I missed something. What did he lie to the public about? Thanks for the warm welcome to the board. If LE lets me in on what he lied to them about...you'll be the first to know.

See page 10 of this thread, post #366.

Sorry about the lack of welcome, I have no idea who has & hasn't been posting here all along.

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:20 AM

Who said anything about LE. I thought it was kind of them to hold of questioning Junior. He spent Friday of that week riding horses with Tim Miller, and I think LE was giving him a lot of leeway, without extensively questioning him.

Geesh people jump to conclusions quiick around here and parse the words.

moo

Parse.....interesting word. Jumping to conclusions? Your post made me laugh out loud!!!!!! Really? I think maybe you are jumping to conclusions. Her baby brother, who was sleeping with her (if we are to believe this new bit of info) might have seen the person who took her....and LE didn't speak to him, with the help of child psychologists, right away?

Seriously????

Personally not buying that. Not in the real world.

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:22 AM

spanking didn't count. He said he never had a fight with a man over a gun. Even though his own mother and Misty say he did.

Did he claim that he never used drugs? I thought he said no when asked if he uses drugs.

Did he claim he never spanked his daughter? I know he did claim he did not hit her, but would spank. It apparently means something different to him. He did say he spanked her, however.

I have read about the gun thing several times. Still can't quite piece it together.

The man is not perfect. However, I think he is doing all the things he needs to do to try and find his daughter. I don't think he did anything to her. I hope I am right.

Thanks for your response.

MOO

Jenmrk99

02-24-2009, 01:25 AM

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 01:26 AM

LE doesn't want certain information given out to the public. Think he should give it out anyway just because you want to know?

The man was out with TES searching for his daughter and when they left, he waited for people to show up to help him search. I don't know how many or if any showed up but he's been out there looking.

Me wanting to know doesn't have a blessed thing to do with it. The man has appeared in front of cameras numerous times, being vague, being deceptive & outrightly lying.

That cannot help this situation. It only serves to create the impression that he cares more about playing CYA for who-knows-what reasons at the expense of finding his own missing child.

As for him personally searching, I wish he would not, it is a bad idea (not that I could do anything about it one way or another). He could make up flyers, he could go post flyers, he could sit down & write up a list of every person he has seen, heard about or knows who he has ever had a cross word with or who has looked at him or his kids or Misty in so much as a semi-strange fashion.

JMO

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:27 AM

See page 10 of this thread, post #366.

Sorry about the lack of welcome, I have no idea who has & hasn't been posting here all along.

I'll check it out. i am truly trying to keep up on this case, but miss things here and there. Mimi...just out of curiosity, do you think Ron had something to do with this or he is simply trying to make himself look better (so he lies), and thereby may impede the investigtion. I am baffled that there seems to be no information, leads, etc. this late in the game. Or we have LE keeping it tight to the vest.

MOO

Peace

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:28 AM

jenmrk99, I'm new here as well; welcome!

Jenmrk99

02-24-2009, 01:29 AM

Thank you Tinkerbell:rolleyes:

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:30 AM

Gee Mimi...sorry for the question. I was seriously asking as I thought I missed something. What did he lie to the public about? Thanks for the warm welcome to the board. If LE lets me in on what he lied to them about...you'll be the first to know.

I would like to know what he lied about too, specifically..to the public cause right now I'm not seeing it.

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:30 AM

Thank you Tinkerbell:rolleyes:

You're very welcome; and the suggestion of bringing armor was probably well founded, IMHO...:smile:

emdragon

02-24-2009, 01:31 AM

spanking didn't count. He said he never had a fight with a man over a gun. Even though his own mother and Misty say he did.

Ron may have had an argument which he doesn't consider a fight. A fight to him may mean actual contact not just an argument.

Geraldo asked Ron if he USED drugs (not had he used drugs) Ron said no, I take him at his word that he isn't using because there is no proof to say otherwise.

So what people BELIEVE are lies simply may be your own perception clouded by your own biases.

How very sad It makes me to see people who should be compassionate be instead so judgmental.

Does it scare some of you to show empathy and sympathy because you might find out it wasn't deserved?

I guess I believe I'd rather error on the side of compassion.

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:31 AM

Seriously. There's a time and a place, not when its traumatic and all drama to soothe the anxiousness of a child. If you think dragging a child hours after such an event into a room with a bunch of strangers to pump them for info is the norm, well.......I'm speechless.

moo

Seriously doubt he'd have been dragged anywhere. Kind and gentle. I'm sure the experts know exactly what/how to ask questions. Odd that we learned of this today. There is now way...no way....that Jr. wasn't questoned just after. Bio mom is disturbing....this entire mess is disturbing. I can only imagine how I might react.

Stop the speechless. I understand what you are saying. Just me being the devi's advocate.:wub:

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:33 AM

You're very welcome; and the suggestion of bringing armor was probably well founded, IMHO...:smile:

I found this board tame, and therefore posted tonight for the first time. LOL Either way...welcome. I used to lurk on Madeline McCann, SP and the Duke case. Armor necessary for sure! MOO

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:34 AM

Did he claim that he never used drugs? I thought he said no when asked if he uses drugs.

Did he claim he never spanked his daughter? I know he did claim he did not hit her, but would spank. It apparently means something different to him. He did say he spanked her, however.

I have read about the gun thing several times. Still can't quite piece it together.

The man is not perfect. However, I think he is doing all the things he needs to do to try and find his daughter. I don't think he did anything to her. I hope I am right.

Thanks for your response.

MOO

Right.. and Geraldo went for the jugler as far as I'm concerned in his interview. I guess that is what he does. He took Crystals word for everything..as if she has any credibility, she didnt' even have custody of the kids. He never asked him if he ever did drugs, he assumed that once you do drugs you always do drugs I guess :rolleyes: I have no idea if Ron does drugs now, i'm going with no..besides a bit of marijuana IMO. It seems like he turned himself around from 4 yrs ago and that's a good thing IMO.

Zeus

02-24-2009, 01:35 AM

Me wanting to know doesn't have a blessed thing to do with it. The man has appeared in front of cameras numerous times, being vague, being deceptive & outrightly lying.

That cannot help this situation. It only serves to create the impression that he cares more about playing CYA for who-knows-what reasons at the expense of finding his own missing child.

As for him personally searching, I wish he would not, it is a bad idea (not that I could do anything about it one way or another). He could make up flyers, he could go post flyers, he could sit down & write up a list of every person he has seen, heard about or knows who he has ever had a cross word with or who has looked at him or his kids or Misty in so much as a semi-strange fashion.

JMO

Lying? I suppose if he is an informant, you think he should have told the world when Geraldo asked him if he was" Yes, that's correct, I'm a drug informant. Thank you for asking, I hope none of the drug dealers in the area get mad at me when they find this out. but...I cannot tell a lie"

Posting fliers isn't going to find his child. Physically looking for her is the only way to do that. Dave Holloway did it, Dru Sjodin's father did it. He's doing what he needs to do.

Mimi428

02-24-2009, 01:37 AM

I'll check it out. i am truly trying to keep up on this case, but miss things here and there. Mimi...just out of curiosity, do you think Ron had something to do with this or he is simply trying to make himself look better (so he lies), and thereby may impede the investigtion. I am baffled that there seems to be no information, leads, etc. this late in the game. Or we have LE keeping it tight to the vest.

MOO

Peace

I have no earthly idea if he has direct involvement or knowledge of why his daughter is missing. I do know he has been arrested 3 separate times on drug charges - & has had the charges dropped later on. If he isn't doing drugs, he apparently has been around people who ARE doing drugs & that is going to be troublesome in trying to figure out who he knows, who knows him, who is connected to whom in a primary, secondary or tertiary fashion, etc.

If LE has advised him to not discuss it, he has had every opportunity to simply SAY so - he could easily have told Geraldo that he has been completely forthright with LE about his past - instead of standing there like a d@mn fool & denying his arrest record.

And why he couldn't simply answer yes or no when asked if he has another child by another woman besides Crystal - I have no idea. He could have said "yes, I do & I have told LE about her. I do not think there is any way she could be involved & I ask you to respect her privacy in this matter."

JMO

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 01:37 AM

I found this board tame, and therefore posted tonight for the first time. LOL Either way...welcome. I used to lurk on Madeline McCann, SP and the Duke case. Armor necessary for sure! MOO

Thanks, and it was post 1056 that first suggested "armour"...:smile:

Mayasmimi

02-24-2009, 01:37 AM

I found this board tame, and therefore posted tonight for the first time. LOL Either way...welcome. I used to lurk on Madeline McCann, SP and the Duke case. Armor necessary for sure! MOO

Absolutely. Sad that just make nice is what's most tolerated. Oh well.

5boxersmom

02-24-2009, 01:38 AM

Right.. and Geraldo went for the jugler as far as I'm concerned in his interview. I guess that is what he does. He took Crystals word for everything..as if she has any credibility, she didnt' even have custody of the kids. He never asked him if he ever did drugs, he assumed that once you do drugs you always do drugs I guess :rolleyes: I have no idea if Ron does drugs now, i'm going with no..besides a bit of marijuana IMO. It seems like he turned himself around from 4 yrs ago and that's a good thing IMO.

GR could have ask Crystal some very hard questions too and he didn't. I still can't get over him asking Ron if he was an informant. Still shaking my head over that one.

imo

Jenmrk99

02-24-2009, 01:40 AM

Oops I didnt mean that the AC guy had anyting to do with this, just that maybe the door never got closed or locked after he left, it seems like there were alot of people in and out that day/night. I know with my 2 little boys by 7:00 pm they are fed and winding down for the night, also as far as the little boy seeing someone in black that her, my two boys would sleep through and earthquake, they are 5 & 7, they have seperate rooms but always end up in the same room/bed. I feel that Misty is old enough to babysit, but managing a household at 17 is another story. I was mother at 18 and it was hard. I will not even go there...my first marriage-I have a feeling that none of the parents, fiances, moms, or girlfriends in this case grew up in a stable home.
I am divorced from my older 3 childrens father and I can tell you if something had happened to one fo them when they were this age I woudl not hesitate to tell all that I knew about my ex but not to reporters, just LEO, you never know what small detail of someones elses life could help in a case like this. I do not agree with all of the public mud slinging, the only good thing about it is that it is keeping the story in the media so that her little face stays out there. I just pray that she is out there and that she is alive.

oh and GERALDO IS AN IDIOT!

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:41 AM

GR could have ask Crystal some very hard questions too and he didn't. I still can't get over him asking Ron if he was an informant. Still shaking my head over that one.

imo

My head is still shaking too. I thought it really odd that Geraldo would go for Ron like that. Odd stance to take on a missing child case. But then again...he did draw a map in the sand when in Iraq. That was odd too.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:45 AM

You don't think taking care of two young children is stressful? At ANY age it is stressful, much less taking care of 2 kids - who are not your children - at barely age 17.

I am a little bewildered that you don't think taking care of 2 young children is a handful. I think this girl was in way over her head.

She was 17, not 10. I love it when words are put into others mouths.. LOL I didn't say taking care of children wasnt' a handful.. I have 3 of them. I do not find it overwelming and stressful . Parenting came rather easy to me I suppose, as I am one of 4 and have always been around kids. According to misty's family, or her and her mother, she's been around kids all her life too and babysat from 11 IIRC.
So I wouldn't find it stressful, or find that large amounts of pressure are put on her, with watching these two children. One was in school and like I said earlier, we don't know how much involvment Ron's mother put into raising them either.

Is it hard sometimes, YES..is it stressful sometimes YES..is it something a 17 yr old can't handle NO.. IMO of course :smile:

emdragon

02-24-2009, 01:45 AM

I have no earthly idea if he has direct involvement or knowledge of why his daughter is missing. I do know he has been arrested 3 separate times on drug charges - & has had the charges dropped later on. If he isn't doing drugs, he apparently has been around people who ARE doing drugs & that is going to be troublesome in trying to figure out who he knows, who knows him, who is connected to whom in a primary, secondary or tertiary fashion, etc.

If LE has advised him to not discuss it, he has had every opportunity to simply SAY so - he could easily have told Geraldo that he has been completely forthright with LE about his past - instead of standing there like a d@mn fool & denying his arrest record.

And why he couldn't simply answer yes or no when asked if he has another child by another woman besides Crystal - I have no idea. He could have said "yes, I do & I have told LE about her. I do not think there is any way she could be involved & I ask you to respect her privacy in this matter."

JMO

If there is another child it is a boy by the way. Maybe he didn't say yes because he doesn't know for sure.

Magnum357

02-24-2009, 01:47 AM

Lying? I suppose if he is an informant, you think he should have told the world when Geraldo asked him if he was" Yes, that's correct, I'm a drug informant. Thank you for asking, I hope none of the drug dealers in the area get mad at me when they find this out. but...I cannot tell a lie"

Posting fliers isn't going to find his child. Physically looking for her is the only way to do that. Dave Holloway did it, Dru Sjodin's father did it. He's doing what he needs to do.

Tell it like it is, Zeus!!!!!

Let the Ladies Aide go post fliers. This father wants to go find his child.

Magnum357

02-24-2009, 01:51 AM

My head is still shaking too. I thought it really odd that Geraldo would go for Ron like that. Odd stance to take on a missing child case. But then again...he did draw a map in the sand when in Iraq. That was odd too.

As is his buddy buddy relationship with Jose Baez---his latest legal expert.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:52 AM

GR could have ask Crystal some very hard questions too and he didn't. I still can't get over him asking Ron if he was an informant. Still shaking my head over that one.

imo

My opinion on that is because Crystal was more than willing to dish out dirt, her and her mother. Ron hasn't done that, that I've seen. So Geraldo knew where to go for dirt, whether it be truthful or not. She had to make Ron look worse than her, because she has to know how it looks that she does not have custody of her children. So when she was pregnant she was hit and kicked, so she says. Her cousin tells her NOW that Ron backhanded Haleigh across the face, yet she fell flat on her face? Go figure that one out. So Geraldo knew exactly who's tent door to knock on and he went for it. It cracks me up though, cause then he sucks up with Baez and his wonderful client. I don't understand the descrepancie there.. but whatever makes him money I guess.. In the end, Haleighs the one who suffers from it even more. Until LE comes out that Ron is a POI, I feel the need to stick up for him because I'm not seeing what some others are.

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:53 AM

Tell it like it is, Zeus!!!!!

Let the Ladies Aide go post fliers. This father wants to go find his child.

I am with you on this one Magnum. I think I am standing up for Ron because I relate to him. His reaction from the begining...well, were very me. I would cuss...threaten...chain smoke...etc. Not exactly becoming to an almost middle aged mother of 4 ..but there it is. I think if one of my kids went missing, I would be worse. And I would be searching. And the public would have a field day with me.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 01:54 AM

I thought the same thing, like "Crystal, what date did you take the life insurance policy on Haleigh out and what is the amount you took it out on?" Usually Geraldo picks a side, that way he can still get the inside scoop while having at least one side with him. jmo.

BTW when and where did you hear about the life insurance..and I wonder why, if it's true, media isn't mentioning it. Did you see the link I posted with the Chad interview..here it is again in case you missed it. i'm curious about the insurance now though.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

4Kids

02-24-2009, 01:55 AM

As is his buddy buddy relationship with Jose Baez---his latest legal expert.

Yes. Extremely bizarre. At least one reporter on Casey's side, I suppose. I guess he may get more of an "in" at trial?

Motomom

02-24-2009, 02:00 AM

So tootsie pop boy is Misty's cousin? They look alot alike.

Magnum357

02-24-2009, 02:02 AM

I am with you on this one Magnum. I think I am standing up for Ron because I relate to him. His reaction from the begining...well, were very me. I would cuss...threaten...chain smoke...etc. Not exactly becoming to an almost middle aged mother of 4 ..but there it is. I think if one of my kids went missing, I would be worse. And I would be searching. And the public would have a field day with me.

I'd be searching too---day and night until I collapsed. And no one would be able to stop me. I can just imagine doing that and having someone come up to me and ask 'Um say----do you have another child by a different woman?' I'd drop the F bomb so fast...................

bluwaters

02-24-2009, 02:04 AM

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

found it.. griffis interview
Thank you.
Odd, I agree.

shelkobe

02-24-2009, 02:12 AM

I am new here, but I am curious about the AC guy , could it be that the door was left unlocked and proppedopen from him going in and out working on the AC , also someone said a few days ago that why would they need an Ac guy, that it was in the 50's there that night. I am in Pensacola and we are useing are AC here this time of year due to the humidity, it makes it feel warmer, maybe they left the door open to cool the house.
This does not compute! It's like 25 degrees here in my neck of the woods, with the wind chill making it feel like 11 degrees, so the whole A/C repairman thing is hard for me to wrap my mind around! I'm sure you're right, but it has been several years since I've had to travel on business so I forget what it's like in the wintertime in Fla.

I am not leaning in any direction, until we hear more from LE it is really hard to know fact from fiction, also not that I care if Misty smokes or not but my husband is a Sheriffs Deputy and it is illegal for minors to buy, posess or smoke in the state of Florida and they are issued citations if caught and around here sometimes they even get fined and comminity servce. I just wanted to add a little of my opinion.:confused:

I believe I just read an article where someone in LE emphasized that their priority is the missing child Haleigh, which suggests to me that they do not want to waste resources on those kinds of things (like underage smoking) right now.

eta: I meant to address the A/C repairman and the back door: Just because the back door was propped open and appears to be the way that Haleigh was spirited out of that house does not mean that that was the way the perpetrator entered the home.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 02:16 AM

I brought it up earlier, post #245, Haleigh's mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy. http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html

Thanks for the link. Interesting that she told them she purchased a life insurance like that. I don't even think that would be on my mind..life insurance..

need2no

02-24-2009, 02:18 AM

I want to see it.

Try this Adalena:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/maninblack.jpg

tinkerbell

02-24-2009, 02:19 AM

thanks for sharing your opinions and resources; nite all

Motomom

02-24-2009, 02:19 AM

This does not compute! It's like 25 degrees here in my neck of the woods, with the wind chill making it feel like 11 degrees, so the whole A/C repairman thing is hard for me to wrap my mind around! I'm sure you're right, but it has been several years since I've had to travel on business so I forget what it's like in the wintertime in Fla.

I believe I just read an article where someone in LE emphasized that their priority is the missing child Haleigh, which suggests to me that they do not want to waste resources on those kinds of things (like underage smoking) right now.

eta: I meant to address the A/C repairman and the back door: Just because the back door was propped open and appears to be the way that Haleigh was spirited out of that house does not mean that that was the way the perpetrator entered the home.

Yes.. a bit nippy I'd say, in jersey right about now..uggg..

I don't think they went in the front door. I think that back door was propped open, the screen door that is.. but I think it's possible someone went in the front..maybe a window in one of the bedrooms that must not be used..hmm course why would they shut the window if they did that?

4Kids

02-24-2009, 02:23 AM

Thank you.
Odd, I agree.

This guy is unusual. Never really saw his eyes throughout the interview. He did not look up once. Odd he is.

Motomom

02-24-2009, 02:31 AM

This guy is unusual. Never really saw his eyes throughout the interview. He did not look up once. Odd he is.

That's what struck me too. Another thing is that cry or whine, whatever you want to call it. I can chalk that up to some men not knowing how to cry maybe. I don't know.. it was odd.

4Kids

02-24-2009, 02:32 AM

I'd be searching too---day and night until I collapsed. And no one would be able to stop me. I can just imagine doing that and having someone come up to me and ask 'Um say----do you have another child by a different woman?' I'd drop the F bomb so fast...................

The F bomb for sure. I guess I grew up in a harsher reality than most. I was raised by coal crackers...true old timers. Grit, hard work, hard play, love of God, family, country. Couple of beers. Cuss words, while clutching a rosary. A few of my Aunts and great grandmother liked snuff. Really! They could cuss up a storm and wouldn't hesitate to wack us on the back of the head when we got smart. They would have handed Geraldo his tongue on platter with a smile, if he asked them some of the questions that he asked Ron.

Themis

02-24-2009, 02:33 AM

Motomom

02-24-2009, 02:50 AM

Good night all. I enjoyed the conversation tonight.. even the debate.. tomorrow is a new day and lets hope those psychic preditions are right and Haleigh comes home tomorrow..

shelkobe

02-24-2009, 02:51 AM

I need to turn in myself. Goodnight all. Here's hoping Haleigh comes home safe and sound.

Pag Boi

02-24-2009, 03:09 AM

Some time ago the subject of the A/C man being there was discussed.

One person very familiar with Mobile Homes said it was common for there to be just one unit that controlled both the Air Conditioning AND
Heating.

That is, one unit with dual functions: A/C AND Heating.

The Heater may have been the one not working.

[JMO]

It is common in any type of home. A house w/central heat & a/c usually has heat & a/c from one unit OR it has A/C from electricity and heat from a gas furnace.

HVAC = heating, venting and air conditioning. A certified contractor should be able to repair/replace any problems arising from a home's hvac system. If adults posting on this board don't readily grasp this concept from life experiences and/or the numerous times it has been explained, a 17yo shouldn't be expected to either.

IF there was a repairman there that day, shirt shirt/truck/invoice may have read A/C in the title, such as "City A/C" I could certainly understand why a FL contractor wouldn't have "City A/C and Heat" since they prolly only use heat a couple of months a year. Since they were renters, the landlord prolly responsible for any service calls. JMOO

That doesn't make any repairman cleared or POI. To me, it only means Misty referred to some service call responder as "the a/c man."

Pag Boi

02-24-2009, 04:07 AM

If there is another child it is a boy by the way. Maybe he didn't say yes because he doesn't know for sure.

Yeah. Imagine that. Seems there is nothing in court papers yet to demand child support, settle custody or order child support. Is it possible that Maybe baby mama doesn't know for sure yet, either? JMOO

Pag Boi

02-24-2009, 04:34 AM

I so agree with you Swarovski! I think Ron has so little actual power in his own life that he chooses very young women whom he can easily impress and control. A person like this has very little self-esteem or security in his own sense of self.

How so did Ron prey on "younger women?"

I ask b/c Crystal was 14 and Ron was 16 when they started dating. Crystal was 17 when she got pregnant. Ron was 19. They never officially lived together. To wit, Crystal told the judge that Jr had lived with her since birth. Haleigh had lived with both. Crystal was 19 when they split. Ron was 21.

We have no idea how the female is that might have Ron's son. We do know that she hired a 16yo to babysit for her (Misty). If she had money to pay a sitter of 16, I'd guess it likely baby mama is at least 18.

Misty and Ron do have age issues. We don't know what Misty told Ron about her age. We know Ron may have lied abt his own age to Misty's parents. Or Misty's parents could be lying abt what Ron said his age was. I don't condone any of these peep's behavior. But I don't see Ron as some cradle robber. More likely, he sought the company of his own mentality. JMOO

Jenmrk99

02-24-2009, 04:40 AM

I googled Misty Croslin and found this on a yahoo message board.
Like everything else it is hearsay but interesting still.
My step-daughter goes to an after school daycare with Haleigh Cummings, the girlfriend may have done it but on the other hand, you don't know how messed up a place Putnam County actually is unless you've ever lived there. It's not like Orlando, Tampa, or Miami. It's a rural, backwoods, half-wit H*ll hole infested with toothless perverts & where kids have an average of getting knocked up at 15yrs old. It's possible that Misty did it but it's just as likely someone really did snatch the kid, why is it hard to believe the girlfriend wouldn't wake up? She was probably smoking some weed, was tired after watching 2 kids, & teens are heavy sleepers anyways. If someone besides Misty did something with Haleigh, here's my scenerios:

1. She left the kids there by themselves to go across the street to do something she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want her boyfriend to know about.

2. She had some people that knew her & the house that her boyfriend doesn't know about & they took the kid.

Misty may have done it but I find it more plausible that maybe she was doing some things she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want people to know about that. I don't think she's smart enough to make this kinda thing up & if she accidently killed her, I would see her cracking by now.

To answer some of Jenna's questions: "Misty is only 17 - which constitutes statuatory rape, since the father is clearly having sex with her. Why do her parents allow her to live there?" because that's normal there, think I'm kidding, go travel there yourself just don't barf at the smell of the paper mill & everyone's meth farts.
"What is her family background?" there is no nice way to put this so I'm going to just spit it, ever seen the movie Joe Dirt? His family is normal compared to anyone there. How troubled is Misty? Well, I consider her to be doing pretty good for herself there, she hasn't given birth yet, she has all her teeth, & she seems to wear shoes. Who visits Misty at night? Now I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, I got out of there & I still have most of my brain cells but if you want me to think with the logical part of my brain instead of the sympathetic & part, it isn't good, her myspace page says she's 19 & single, there aren't too many "good girls" there. Does she use drugs? YES! She uses drugs, I don't even know her personally & I can tell you that I have absolutely no doubt in my mind she uses drugs, what else is there to do there. If she isn't doing crack or meth she's still alright, everyone smokes weed there, it's not a big deal.
Source(s):
Born & raised in Putnam County, my almost 5yr old s/d lives there with her mom & me, hubby, oldest s/d & 2 kids left that crap hole county
2 weeks ago

Pag Boi

02-24-2009, 05:08 AM

Ron is responsible as a custoidal parent for the care, well being and saftey of his children. Leaving them with a barely turned 17 yr old to care for, especially during those hours is careless and nonchalant. One of the judge's decision in awarding custody to Ron, was that he and the children live with his mom. Living in the trailor with the minor, was a clear violation of the court order. That's being irresponsible and he put his kids at risk.

moo

There was no court order that Ron live with his mom. That was where Ron was living when he was in court at the time. Ron said he couldn't put them in daycare b/c he left their shot records in Misty's car & couldn't get them back. Ron would have insurance for them as soon as his probatoiin period ended. He told the court he hoped to eventually put them in night care while he worked

Both parents moved often. It is clear from the court transcripts. The court didn't seem phased by this relocation activity.

Ron was awarded custody b/c he was better able to provide for them at the time. There was no stipulation to where they lived. They didn' even have the court spell out visitation at the hearing. Ron even said that he no longer demanded that Crystal be supervised when she had the kids.

Crystal admitted to the magistrate she had last done cocaine one year ago. One year prior to the hearing was when she was pregnant w/Jr. That means she was doing drugs while pregnant. She was unemployed. She told the court sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed to take her kids to their doctor appts

Someone called DFS on Ron & Misty. DFS had visited the home but had not removed the children or taken any actions to remove the minor gf from the home. LE had never been called to their addy. Yet Crystal's mom had called DFS on Crystal before. Maybe that's how they settle scores - call DFS on the one they are fighting with???

Neither one should have had custody in 2006 but the court gave the kids to Ron. It appears Ron provided care for the kids except the 4 days/mo Crystal had them. She had no challenge pending. She at first said Haleigh loved Misty and was very happy.

How would you suggest anyone avoid risk in the environment Ron & Crystal existed?
JMOO

beachpatty

02-24-2009, 05:59 AM

Here's the link for today;s thread 2/24

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12822745#post12822745

psbperu

02-24-2009, 08:08 AM