Monday 2/23 Thread for Haleigh

[kitty1182]

Kitty, that has nothing to do with his charges of marijuana from 2004. IMO Ron is telling the truth.. maybe not so much Misty. He may have an idea of who took her though, just from maybe the people he has known?

yes, he may have known some bad people, but I still don't think a drug dealer would take a child, they don't need the worry......

[Mimi428]

I was thinking did we hear Ron calling out Haleigh's name at all? Either outside or while he was inside the house? I know I would be yelling my daughters name over and over, in the backyard, under everything, in everything while, I would imagine to search every nook and cranny in the house would take some time. I figured out from creating my timeline that Ron hung up on 911 not just once, but twice. Also, when Misty was asked pointblank by 911, did it look like an intruder came into the house? Misty responded "um, hold on..." it was right after that response that Ron came to the phone and hung up on 911 for the second time, the question was never answered.

Funny you should notice that little detail. I'll bet the police & the FBI noticed it, too.

Who among us would NOT have been hollaring out loud enough to raise the dead - calling out our child's name?

I don't even have neighbors very close by, but I bet I could yell loud enough for them to hear me if I came home & found out that the 5-year old I THOUGHT was asleep in her bed was missing.

JMO

[KatyDid]

Link? Source?

Where did you get that info? TIA

Nancy Grace show on now, from the mouth of Crystal herself in an interview.

[TunaMelt]

She did where did you hear this? thanks!

She just said she did on Nancy Grace.

[KatyDid]

She did where did you hear this? thanks!

She is on NG right now interviewing. She said she took one.

[VC2]

Besides, I think that bad language is a habit with some folks. Cussing and swearing come so easily and they aren't even aware of it.

yep and if you grow up around it then its just natural and no abuse intended or even received. Not saying its polite or nice but simply fact

[kitty1182]

Get this - he has a wife and her name is:




Crystal! :w00t:
She is in her early 20's :laugh:

They live close to Mr and Mrs (Marie Sheffield) Bruce Griffis.

Kitty!
Get your shovel!
There's a lot of digging to be done on this family tree!

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[WhiteShark]

Really, Ron tell the truth? Well your think Putnam County with marijuna charges.

How about Sarasoto with these charges?

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

ah, dropped?

[Larkin]

My biggest question is Why didn't Ron call 911?


GREAT question! If Misty was out of it, or in shock..why not???

[TunaMelt]

I was thinking did we hear Ron calling out Haleigh's name at all? Either outside or while he was inside the house? I know I would be yelling my daughters name over and over, in the backyard, under everything, in everything while, I would imagine to search every nook and cranny in the house would take some time. I figured out from creating my timeline that Ron hung up on 911 not just once, but twice. Also, when Misty was asked pointblank by 911, did it look like an intruder came into the house? Misty responded "um, hold on..." it was right after that response that Ron came to the phone and hung up on 911 for the second time, the question was never answered.

You make such a good point.

Wow.

[Mimi428]

Really, Ron tell the truth? Well your think Putnam County with marijuna charges.

How about Sarasoto with these charges?

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

WTH is going on with the state of Florida? I am astonished that any one person is arrested that many times on drug charges - & then the charges are dropped.

That just defies belief. NO WONDER Geraldo asked him if he was an informant! Sheeesh!

JMO

[kitty1182]

GREAT question! If Misty was out of it, or in shock..why not???

My DIL thinks he was cleaning the place up before LE got there..:wink:

[Motomom]

Really, Ron tell the truth? Well your think Putnam County with marijuna charges.

How about Sarasoto with these charges?

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608

You must have missed the IMO in my post. Thank you for the link, I didn't see those.. from 2005 right? not 2009 right.. what is this, anyone know DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION

Never heard of that before.. oh and then "dropped/abandoned"..what's that mean? charges were dropped? so we are to hold something from 2004 and 2005 (which I'm not sure if those dates are when he was arrested or not, do you know?) against him now? He was how old back then? 20? I've heard he's 24 and some say he's 25..

[Speedy30]

Ok.

I find it real odd that the brother told Crystal and her mother it was a man in black, but did he not tell his Dad and Crystal?

Something about that irks me for some reason.

[bluwaters]

Really, Ron tell the truth? Well your think Putnam County with marijuna charges.

How about Sarasoto with these charges?

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608
Wow.
Charges dropped, again.
no conviction

Swarovski -
have you searched every county in FL?
I thought about it, but dropped the idea.
Good find! :thumbup:

[Lorakai]

Funny you should notice that little detail. I'll bet the police & the FBI noticed it, too.

Who among us would NOT have been hollaring out loud enough to raise the dead - calling out our child's name?

I don't even have neighbors very close by, but I bet I could yell loud enough for them to hear me if I came home & found out that the 5-year old I THOUGHT was asleep in her bed was missing.

JMO

There are so many woods nearby the house that I would be yelling out for miles, knocking on the nearest residence, even if it was 3:00am,.. if there was a chance that Haleigh had just been taken, I would hope she could hear me yelling for her.

[Motomom]

yes, he may have known some bad people, but I still don't think a drug dealer would take a child, they don't need the worry......

Kitty, I don't think a drug dealer took Haleigh either. I really thingk a sexual predator took her. OR someone related..whether they are a RSO or becoming one. I don't think Ron hurt his daughter at all. I really don't. In fact, I really think she's still alive to be honest.. I'm hoping she is.

[MiamiNice]

I would assume Ron has to do that too--heavy machinery operator and all. If he was dealing, he wasn't using. He wouldn't have gotten that job if he tested positive.
A LOT of the time, people deal, in order to use. imo

[bluwaters]

I was thinking did we hear Ron calling out Haleigh's name at all? Either outside or while he was inside the house? I know I would be yelling my daughters name over and over, in the backyard, under everything, in everything while, I would imagine to search every nook and cranny in the house would take some time. I figured out from creating my timeline that Ron hung up on 911 not just once, but twice. Also, when Misty was asked pointblank by 911, did it look like an intruder came into the house? Misty responded "um, hold on..." it was right after that response that Ron came to the phone and hung up on 911 for the second time, the question was never answered.
You nailed it! Instead of screaming obscenities at Misty and the dispatcher, why wasn't he yelling for Haleigh? :ohmy:

[kitty1182]

Kitty, I don't think a drug dealer took Haleigh either. I really thingk a sexual predator took her. OR someone related..whether they are a RSO or becoming one. I don't think Ron hurt his daughter at all. I really don't. In fact, I really think she's still alive to be honest.. I'm hoping she is.

I'm praying she is too.......I still think Misty knows what happen..
I was sure about Ron, but now I'm wondering about him.......:sad:

This child needs to be found now!!!!!!!!!!!

[Motomom]

WTH is going on with the state of Florida? I am astonished that any one person is arrested that many times on drug charges - & then the charges are dropped.

That just defies belief. NO WONDER Geraldo asked him if he was an informant! Sheeesh!

JMO

I can't tell from that link if it was ONE arrest, or mutliple ones. I'm gonna look again.. doesn't defy belief if he didn't have intent to distribute.. some local 20 yr old punk with some pills and morphine pops and weed? That looks to be about it.. we know he did coke, according to crystal, which I believe..but nothing since 2005 or am I reading it wrong?

[Themis]

Really, Ron tell the truth? Well your think Putnam County with marijuna charges.

How about Sarasoto with these charges?

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608
How is it that Ronald Cummings has been arrested; is always indigent when it comes to an attorney; arrests are either downgraded or combined into a lesser charge; or, in this case, it looks like charges were dropped. Seems the most severe punishment has been a 24 hour house arrest. What is left are misdemeanors resolved by paying fines.
One lucky dude or LE has it out for him no matter which county he's in.
[JMO]

[TunaMelt]

Ok.

I find it real odd that the brother told Crystal and her mother it was a man in black, but did he not tell his Dad and Crystal?

Something about that irks me for some reason.

No kidding.

And the little boy just now came up with that? Just now told the adults?

I don't think a little boy would wait 2 weeks before he told his mother or some adult that a man in black took his "sissy."

Somebody's making something up for some reason -- and it's not little Junior.

[kitty1182]

Getting rid of the bricks.

moo

I don't know what bricks are..lOl
Paula thinks it was drug stuff? Is that bricks?:confused:

[sunstar]

My DIL thinks he was cleaning the place up before LE got there..:wink:

That's what crossed my mind when I was listening to the tapes. :wink: MOO

[sunstar]

I don't know what bricks are..lOl
Paula thinks it was drug stuff? Is that bricks?:confused:

Yes that's it.

[breeze53]

Wow.
Charges dropped, again.
no conviction

Swarovski -
have you searched every county in FL?
I thought about it, but dropped the idea.
Good find! :thumbup:

I think big G is right on this one he's an informant:tonguewag:

[Lorakai]

I can't imagine hanging up on the 911 operator. That bothers me, and why don't we ever hear Junior crying in the background?:confused:

I gave my theory on jr. being desensitized since that kind of yelling and screaming prob took place all the time in the house. I can picture him awakened and maybe sitting by himself just watching and taking everything in,... staying out of the way.

:wub: Lorakai

[bluwaters]

You must have missed the IMO in my post. Thank you for the link, I didn't see those.. from 2005 right? not 2009 right.. what is this, anyone know DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION

Never heard of that before.. oh and then "dropped/abandoned"..what's that mean? charges were dropped? so we are to hold something from 2004 and 2005 (which I'm not sure if those dates are when he was arrested or not, do you know?) against him now? He was how old back then? 20? I've heard he's 24 and some say he's 25..
Who knows?
Someone needs to ask his mama, cause he lies about his age.
He told Misty's dad that he was 19.
That was this past fall - 2008.

[cloe23]

I'm with you Barbara. It's a bit worrysome that so many people wouldn't be or sound angry when their child goes missing.. he smokes and curses.. I say fry him :rolleyes:


LOL, Got to tell the DH this.:laugh:

[kitty1182]

Yes that's it.

Thanks....:smile:
Makes a lot of sense....If LE were on the way to my house and I had drugs, I would make sure to get rid of all drugs before LE got there....:wink:

This could be why Misty didn't call 911 right away, she didn't know where drugs may have been hidden..IMO, MOO

[jakee]

I don't know what bricks are..lOl
Paula thinks it was drug stuff? Is that bricks?:confused:

Oh my, I thought it you were all talking about the cement block/brick propping the door open. :blushing: and it didn't make sense to me. lol

[KatyDid]

You nailed it! Instead of screaming obscenities at Misty and the dispatcher, why wasn't he yelling for Haleigh? :ohmy:

We agree again. I find it disturbing he hung up on 911. He sounded angry, when, IMO, most people would hav sounded frightened and been trying to help 911 to get LE there asap.

JMO

[Motomom]

My hubby and I just agreed, I would have probably said and acted like RC did on the phone to 911.

Oh yea, this female smokes and curses too, lol

jmo

You and me doneit LOL.. Also.. I get so annoyed when I listen to 911 calls.. the operators can never hear anything and always sound aggravated and they are constantly repeating their questions and IMO not taking into consideration what the people on the other end are doing. Now in this instance...LE was on the way..to ask all those questions all over again.. i can see being very frustrated.

[bluwaters]

I gave my theory on jr. being desensitized since that kind of yelling and screaming prob took place all the time in the house. I can picture him awakened and maybe sitting by himself just watching and taking everything in,... staying out of the way.

:wub: Lorakai

Oh, how pitiful is that? :sad:
Poor baby!
It was reported that his grandma gave him a coke and he poured 1/2 into a glass. She asked him what he was doing and he said it was for Haleigh.

[legalmania]

How is it that Ronald Cummings has been arrested; is always indigent when it comes to an attorney; arrests are either downgraded or combined into a lesser charge; or, in this case, it looks like charges were dropped. Seems the most severe punishment has been a 24 hour house arrest. What is left are misdemeanors resolved by paying fines.
One lucky dude or LE has it out for him no matter which county he's in.
[JMO]

That's the way the court system works. They didn't have a strong case to begin with, charges get dropped or reduced just for him to plead. He knows what a felony is and what it would do to his life. He's not that bad of a person IMO.

[Deb7]

That is terrible what you went threw and it is scarey to think that something like that could happen. But it may have been a blessing that you did not wake up or you all could have been hurt or much worse.

As far as Misty smoking, I think the police have bigger fish to fry.

This is not the time to tell Misty she cannot smoke and anyway a few more months and she will be 18 and can do as she pleases.
I think they are focused on finding Haleigh and Misty smoking is not a priority and at her age it should'nt be.


Her birthday is in December, so not a few months. JMO

[Motomom]

I'm praying she is too.......I still think Misty knows what happen..
I was sure about Ron, but now I'm wondering about him.......:sad:

This child needs to be found now!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a really torn with Misty.. I am.. Not so much with Ron. Until there is evidence out there against him, i find his pleas for Haleigh to be genuine. She needs to be found and I hope Ron had nothing to do with anything.. I don't think he did as of right now.

[KatyDid]

I think big G is right on this one he's an informant:tonguewag:

That is the only thing that explains why drug charges were 'abandoned' so quickly. IMO

[Mimi428]

I think big G is right on this one he's an informant:tonguewag:

He's also got a record in Flagler County, but it was only a speeding ticket & was in 2002. Good grief, now I'm beginning to wonder if we should be looking at other counties in Florida.

What are the odds that you can be arrested 3 times on drug charges - & EVERY SINGLE time the charges get dropped?

That is just toooooo weird for me.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I'm a really torn with Misty.. I am.. Not so much with Ron. Until there is evidence out there against him, i find his pleas for Haleigh to be genuine. She needs to be found and I hope Ron had nothing to do with anything.. I don't think he did as of right now.

Banner on NG. Just in- LE cleared g/f. JMO

[sunstar]

Thanks....:smile:
Makes a lot of sense....If LE were on the way to my house and I had drugs, I would make sure to get rid of all drugs before LE got there....:wink:

This could be why Misty didn't call 911 right away, she didn't know where drugs may have been hidden..IMO, MOO

Well, according to the report on Geraldo's show last night, part of the tip that Misty was out that evening involved her doing drugs. So maybe she had something in the house too? MOO

[Themis]

I gave my theory on jr. being desensitized since that kind of yelling and screaming prob took place all the time in the house. I can picture him awakened and maybe sitting by himself just watching and taking everything in,... staying out of the way.

:wub: Lorakai
It's a horrible thought but I think you are correct, Lorakai. How sad.
[JMO]

[sunstar]

Banner on NG. Just in- LE cleared g/f. JMO

Did anybody else hear them announce that? :confused:

[kitty1182]

I'm a really torn with Misty.. I am.. Not so much with Ron. Until there is evidence out there against him, i find his pleas for Haleigh to be genuine. She needs to be found and I hope Ron had nothing to do with anything.. I don't think he did as of right now.

I so pray you are right......It seems nothing surprises me anymore..:sad:

[iluvmua]

Does anybody know where I can listen to the Geraldo Interview w/ Ron? (That was broadcast last night). thanks!

[breeze53]

You and me doneit LOL.. Also.. I get so annoyed when I listen to 911 calls.. the operators can never hear anything and always sound aggravated and they are constantly repeating their questions and IMO not taking into consideration what the people on the other end are doing. Now in this instance...LE was on the way..to ask all those questions all over again.. i can see being very frustrated.


Ron was nothing but rude to that 911 operator.
A cop can only get there so fast if he was that worried he shouldnt have left them with a child.
I'm sure he was upset put saying the big F word to 911 isn't all that cool.:w00t:

[Speedy30]

He could still be using and dealing, and just hasn't been caught at it. His appearance with Geraldo the other night tells me, he is still using.


moo


I saw him on Nancy Grace and he was nodding out. I knew someone who acted just like that and they were heroin addicts.

There is no way on this earth Ron is not using drugs, no way, no way.

moo

[kitty1182]

Well, according to the report on Geraldo's show last night, part of the tip that Misty was out that evening involved her doing drugs. So maybe she had something in the house too? MOO

Could be or she knew Ron had something there and she didn't know where it was..

[breeze53]

Did anybody else hear them announce that? :confused:


Well lets clear Ron then and maybe we can figure this all out:thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

Correct me on this if I am wrong. Didn't Crystal's fiance tell GR that RC had told him that he (Ron) was 75% certain he knew who took Haleigh.

Tonight on NG, Crystal and Mom said that was all a misunderstanding. Ron had told a "cousin", not the fiance.

JMO

[Motomom]

He could still be using and dealing, and just hasn't been caught at it. His appearance with Geraldo the other night tells me, he is still using.


moo



Funny how everyone sees something different. His daughters been gone two weeks.. his scorned ex is passing on hearsay and rumors and telling stories from 4-5 yrs ago to the national media..he has some crazy guy up in his face with these accusations and.. didn't knock him out.. I give him credit.. how do you think he should look and act?? he looks very strained to me now.

[legalmania]

Does anybody know where I can listen to the Geraldo Interview w/ Ron? (That was broadcast last night). thanks!

It's on U- tube sorry I don't have a link.

[bama__angel]

He could still be using and dealing, and just hasn't been caught at it. His appearance with Geraldo the other night tells me, he is still using.


moo



And why would you think he was "using"? Why couldnt he just be a DAD whose daughter had been missing for almost 2 weeks, not sleeping or eating driving himself crazy thinking about what has happened or is happening to his child..........

IMHO.....If this were me............I would probably be like some kind of wounded rabid animal........

[bluwaters]

Does anybody know where I can listen to the Geraldo Interview w/ Ron? (That was broadcast last night). thanks!
Look in the Links thread.
It is posted under Geraldo at Large in Satsuma.

[Motomom]

That is the only thing that explains why drug charges were 'abandoned' so quickly. IMO

No it's not. He wasn't dealing..he didn't have enough on him to be considered intent to distribute if they dropped the charges. First time offense it looks like, in 2004, unless he has a juvie record. Now if he had more on him, they would have tried to get him with intent to distribute and it wouldnt' have went the way it went IMO..

[march27]

That is the only thing that explains why drug charges were 'abandoned' so quickly. IMO


Then this opens up a whole new can of worms on who could have taken Haleigh and why LE is acting so strange in this case. They really cant give out suspects that Ron is snitching on without admitting he's an informant. If this is the case Ron better be careful.

[breeze53]

Investigators Re Interview the Family

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132046&catid=295


Wonder what the notes said?

[odyssey]

Well lets clear Ron then and maybe we can figure this all out:thumbsup:


They have already said that it is confirmed that Ronald was where he said he was that day(at work) .. so since Haleigh was seen after he went to work stands to reason he is clear too.

moo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Does anybody know where I can listen to the Geraldo Interview w/ Ron? (That was broadcast last night). thanks!

Transcript and video:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/transcripts_of_the_geraldo_interview_that_turned_c onfrontational

[KatyDid]

He's also got a record in Flagler County, but it was only a speeding ticket & was in 2002. Good grief, now I'm beginning to wonder if we should be looking at other counties in Florida.

What are the odds that you can be arrested 3 times on drug charges - & EVERY SINGLE time the charges get dropped?

That is just toooooo weird for me.

JMO

Me too Mimi. Not many folks get away with three stikes unless maybe they are snitching. JMO

Takes me back to Ron's plea for his daughter when he said he would not seek revenge and his daughter was not property. JMO

[VC2]

I guess I live in a different world. :blushing:

katydid i think that is why some of us have a different view of Ron. It isn't that we approve of it but speaking for myself i know many ppl who were like him in speech or they had some minor drug charges yet were loving parents and good ones. Also know ones who were not but definitely don't think of things like cursing at his g/f on the call or pot smoking as a statement on his parenting or love for his kids.

I lived next to a woman who was tough, mouthy and street smart, married to a government worker, 3 kids, 2 dogs. Once i got to know her imagine my shock when i discovered she ran an escort agency from home until the year before, the funny part was she gave "seminars" each week on things like banking 101 or taxes or retirement savings plans to the girls who worked for her and kept those up for any working girls. She was also a great mom, but you can imagine how it would look if she was in the news bc of a missing child...they would forget the stable married government wife and make it sound very different especially when she cursed.

[legalmania]

Funny how everyone sees something different. His daughters been gone two weeks.. his scorned ex is passing on hearsay and rumors and telling stories from 4-5 yrs ago to the national media..he has some crazy guy up in his face with these accusations and.. didn't knock him out.. I give him credit.. how do you think he should look and act?? he looks very strained to me now.

I agree with you motomom I see a very distraught man when you listen to the 911 call he was saying the same things I would be saying when you find out you child is missing," LE better get here first because I will kill somebody if I find them first" he was asking Misty how could you lose my baby you:cursing:. This is a hard working man who may smoke sometimes but in very small quantities.

[Motomom]

I so pray you are right......It seems nothing surprises me anymore..:sad:

I know kitty.. after the other case.. I don't doubt anything is possible.. a good friend tells me.. you never know someone..never.. but I don't see anything yet to me, to indicate Ron.. his past drug use is irrelevent IMO..unless he was doing hard drugs now..You know we'll find out ssoon enough when/if arrests are made.

[march27]

And why would you think he was "using"? Why couldnt he just be a DAD whose daughter had been missing for almost 2 weeks, not sleeping or eating driving himself crazy thinking about what has happened or is happening to his child..........

IMHO.....If this were me............I would probably be like some kind of wounded rabid animal........


I agree if my child was missing I would look like a maniac and they would have to dope me up with so much xanex to keep me out of the loony bin.

[bluwaters]

Correct me on this if I am wrong. Didn't Crystal's fiance tell GR that RC had told him that he (Ron) was 75% certain he knew who took Haleigh.

Tonight on NG, Crystal and Mom said that was all a misunderstanding. Ron had told a "cousin", not the fiance.

JMO
I thought it was Marcus, Crystal's brother?
Now it's a cousin?
Chad didn't look too excited about telling GR anything.
He did not want to dis Ron.
Now, I have to go back and watch that segment. :scared:

[breeze53]

They have already said that it is confirmed that Ronald was where he said he was that day(at work) .. so since Haleigh was seen after he went to work stands to reason he is clear too.

moo




I don't think so if thats true why havent LE said the dad has been cleared. According to them everyone in the world is a suspect.

[Motomom]

Ron was nothing but rude to that 911 operator.
A cop can only get there so fast if he was that worried he shouldnt have left them with a child.
I'm sure he was upset put saying the big F word to 911 isn't all that cool.:w00t:

Right.. the cop was on their way.. the operator couldn't do anymore for him. I'd be upset, and angry too I THINK.. if my child were gone missing.. maybe one day there will be a law..no sitters under 18. Most sitters are way younger than Misty. so that doesn't even concern me to e honest. The F word doesn't concern me either..not something I take offense to I guess.

[KatyDid]

Exactly! I still wonder who he knew to get custody of his kids. He's no prize. And his obsession with young teens disturbs me. Crystal should get custody on that issue alone.

WHY HASN'T THIS MAN Been CHARGED WITH STATUTORY RAPE??? If he lived in my part of the country, he'd be a registered sex offender. Where I live, a 25 year old man openly having relationships with under-age girls would be reported to social services and the police by 99% of the people!!!!

My part of the country too Moondancer.

[bluwaters]

Funny how everyone sees something different. His daughters been gone two weeks.. his scorned ex is passing on hearsay and rumors and telling stories from 4-5 yrs ago to the national media..he has some crazy guy up in his face with these accusations and.. didn't knock him out.. I give him credit.. how do you think he should look and act?? he looks very strained to me now.
I think he is medicated, and is well with in his rights to have a legal prescription for something to calm him.
I just really can't say that he was so out of it on GR last night.
On meds?
I know I would be! The stronger the better.

[bama__angel]

I agree if my child was missing I would look like a maniac and they would have to dope me up with so much xanex to keep me out of the loony bin.



I have to commend parents who could think rationally and act "normally" when their child is missing........I'm afraid that wouldnt be me.......

[?noanswer]

I thought it was Marcus, Crystal's brother?
Now it's a cousin?
Chad didn't look too excited about telling GR anything.
He did not want to dis Ron.
Now, I have to go back and watch that segment. :scared:

You could be right on the brother thing. I just think I remember on the GR interview that he asked the fiance and he kinda hesitated, then said yes. JMO

[sunstar]

Then why on earth would they have called the police to come NOW??????

Well, he does seem to have escaped most of those prior drug charges! MOO

[bama__angel]

I have to commend parents who could think rationally and act "normally" when their child is missing........I'm afraid that wouldnt be me.......


And BTW, that is my last prayer and thought before I go to sleep at night and my first thought and prayer when I wake up in the morning is for God to protect my 2 boys......

[breeze53]

I hate to disappoint you, but the "F" word is no biggie anymore, everywhere you turn, you hear it. Upper class on down.

As for Misty being there with the children, whats the big deal with her age??? I really don't get it.
jmo


So you think it's ok to raise your kids with th big F word? I don't. I am sure he used it in front of his children.He could have shown some respect to that 911 operator after all he called her for help she didn't call him. Yes him bedding down a 17 yr old CHILD bothers me i guess I am from the old school.

[sunstar]

They have already said that it is confirmed that Ronald was where he said he was that day(at work) .. so since Haleigh was seen after he went to work stands to reason he is clear too.

moo

I'd think he would be ruled out as personally doing something to her that night but Misty is the one who was home with Haleigh, and not hearing anything directly from LE, my opinion is Nancy's "banner" is wrong. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

So Crystal DID take a LDT.

Hi, Yes she did say that on NG, but before that when NG was asking her about what exactly her son said about the guy in black she said he said THEY were in black and then corrected herself and said I mean him. This might not mean anything but I for one have wondered about her from the beginning. Not because she appears detached as some people are like that when they are upset and she seemed concerned, just the wrong kind of concern. I have wondered if she had someone do this from the to get them from him. As it could very well be that the door was propped open to go back and get the son (to keep the door from making noise) and they heard Misty up and decided not to. Weather she did or not it is obvious she is trying to use the situation to show he was not the more fit parent, not considering that it is very inappropriate timing (though she was probably enticed by the Media).

To me it was obvious from the beginning these people live on the low side of life so none of the past records or actuations is a big surprise.

Ice

[Speedy30]

Could be or she knew Ron had something there and she didn't know where it was..

Yes, and with Rons temper, she probably was scared to call the cops till he got everything out of the house, I am not going to put it past him that he could call his mom and say, hurry and get here and get my stash out of the house before LE arrives. I think she is scared of Ron, and she should be, I dont care how popular the F word is, or how scared you get, he was abusive toward Misty, I heard it. There are unfortunately lots of 911 calls made by frantic parents and they arent cussing and degrading their 17 year old girlfriend.

moo

[bluwaters]

Transcript and video:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/transcripts_of_the_geraldo_interview_that_turned_c onfrontational
Links Queeny is here! :wub:
Good to see you!

[KatyDid]

katydid i think that is why some of us have a different view of Ron. It isn't that we approve of it but speaking for myself i know many ppl who were like him in speech or they had some minor drug charges yet were loving parents and good ones. Also know ones who were not but definitely don't think of things like cursing at his g/f on the call or pot smoking as a statement on his parenting or love for his kids.

I lived next to a woman who was tough, mouthy and street smart, married to a government worker, 3 kids, 2 dogs. Once i got to know her imagine my shock when i discovered she ran an escort agency from home until the year before, the funny part was she gave "seminars" each week on things like banking 101 or taxes or retirement savings plans to the girls who worked for her and kept those up for any working girls. She was also a great mom, but you can imagine how it would look if she was in the news bc of a missing child...they would forget the stable married government wife and make it sound very different especially when she cursed.

Thank you for the explanation VC2. :smile:

I just haven't encountered those things. If people curse and name call in my world, they are usually angry or trying to hurt someone with their words. I guess I am naive about it being part of somebody's daily vocabulary.

I do appreciate your kindness in explaining.

[odyssey]

I don't think so if thats true why havent LE said the dad has been cleared. According to them everyone in the world is a suspect.

You can believe whatever you choose to but it has been reported both in news articles(like the one at amw.com) and television programs (one on hln earlier tonight even) that the police have said that Ron was at work as he said he was when he said he was.


moo

[iluvmua]

Transcript and video:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/transcripts_of_the_geraldo_interview_that_turned_c onfrontational

Thank You Links Queeny, :wub:

[Motomom]

If he is so charge-proof why would he even bother trying to hide the mythical bricks?

LOL..so true..so true.

[Lorakai]

Exactly! I still wonder who he knew to get custody of his kids. He's no prize. And his obsession with young teens disturbs me. Crystal should get custody on that issue alone.

WHY HASN'T THIS MAN Been CHARGED WITH STATUTORY RAPE??? If he lived in my part of the country, he'd be a registered sex offender. Where I live, a 25 year old man openly having relationships with under-age girls would be reported to social services and the police by 99% of the people!!!!

IMO Ron may not be in the clear on this, I heard LE say that they would first deal with finding Haleigh and later deal with that aspect of the case.

[VC2]

Hi Mimi!
He sounded really angry to me. I will do as you suggest and listen to the call again.

Did you hear about the little brother, Junior, saying a man wearing all black clothes took Haleigh? I wonder why Junior didn't get up and say something to Misti.

because he is 4 and scared or 4 and doesn't realize what the import is?

[breeze53]

You can believe whatever you choose to but it has been reported both in news articles(like the one at amw.com) and television programs (one on hln earlier tonight even) that the police have said that Ron was at work as he said he was when he said he was.


moo


Not trying to be rude but just because he was at work doesn't mean he still doesn't know what happened to his daughter. Doesnt mean he passed a LD test until LE say's so hes still a suspect.

[sunstar]

If he is so charge-proof why would he even bother trying to hide the mythical bricks?

OK, good point! :smile:

[bluwaters]

Yes, and with Rons temper, she probably was scared to call the cops till he got everything out of the house, I am not going to put it past him that he could call his mom and say, hurry and get here and get my stash out of the house before LE arrives. I think she is scared of Ron, and she should be, I dont care how popular the F word is, or how scared you get, he was abusive toward Misty, I heard it. There are unfortunately lots of 911 calls made by frantic parents and they arent cussing and degrading their 17 year old girlfriend.

moo
And, as I posted earlier, absolutely no concern for Misty's well being.
How did he know that she hadn't been injured?

I also want to hear it from LE that anyone has been cleared, from the A/C guy on down.

Where is Misty's brother who was there earlier with his kids?
I haven't seen or heard a peep from him.
Have I missed that?
What about Misty's blanket and the van that it went away in?
What's that about? :confused:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Links Queeny is here! :wub:
Good to see you!


Thank You Links Queeny, :wub:


:thumbsup:

[VC2]

In a recent interview, Ron was asked if he had another child (besides Haleigh and Junior) and he was evasive. He said, "Possibly".

Does he not know if Amber's child is his or not? What a strange case.

I believe Ron doesn't think that its any of the press'es or publics business if it is his son or not. Especially with the media uproar, i don't blame him, would not want to thrust Amber into the spotlight for no reason.

He sees imo two different things, LE who has the right to all and any information and the slavering media who want shock and ratings.

IMO

[Motomom]

And, as I posted earlier, absolutely no concern for Misty's well being.
How did he know that she hadn't been injured?

I also want to hear it from LE that anyone has been cleared, from the A/C guy on down.

Where is Misty's brother who was there earlier with his kids?
I haven't seen or heard a peep from him.
Have I missed that?
What about Misty's blanket and the van that it went away in?
What's that about? :confused:

Because she was standing at the front door when he pulled into the driveway?

[legalmania]

I saw him on Nancy Grace and he was nodding out. I knew someone who acted just like that and they were heroin addicts.

There is no way on this earth Ron is not using drugs, no way, no way.

moo

Have you ever seen someone who hasn't slept?

[bluwaters]

IMO Ron may not be in the clear on this, I heard LE say that they would first deal with finding Haleigh and later deal with that aspect of the case.
that's what I heard too.
LE never said that it was not a concern.
In fact, it is a 2nd degree felony.
It takes more than her parents' permission for the court to disregard it.

[breeze53]

It bothers me too! And I'm from the new school.

Nothing wrong with that:mellow:I wish LE would be able to clear all of them but don't think it's gonna happen that way.

[VC2]

Well, all I can say is that RC had paternity tests to validate that 5 year old Haleigh and Junior who just turned 4 were his. What a busy bee RC is. [JMO]

uhh the fact he wanted a paternity test tells me more about what a busy bee crystal was

IMO

[CC I See]

Not trying to be rude but just because he was at work doesn't mean he still doesn't know what happened to his daughter. Doesnt mean he passed a LD test until LE say's so hes still a suspect.... he was at work which is about 10 minutes away from the home. I wonder if meal breaks were monitored and if someone can vouch for him every minute he was working. Somehow, it would not surprise me if he was able to sneak home to check on Misty and the kids.

I know where I work that people clock in and then disappear and sometimes I see them drive off soon after. They say they forgot something at home or was going for cigarettes or soda..... all kind of excuses when they are caught. But according to the time clock, they were there. If nobody notices then nobody knows they are gone.

[sunstar]

And, as I posted earlier, absolutely no concern for Misty's well being.
How did he know that she hadn't been injured?

I also want to hear it from LE that anyone has been cleared, from the A/C guy on down.

Where is Misty's brother who was there earlier with his kids?
I haven't seen or heard a peep from him.
Have I missed that?
What about Misty's blanket and the van that it went away in?
What's that about? :confused:

I too would like to know where her brother was the rest of the night and what the deal is with her blanket being in a van ~ if LE has that blanket? :confused:

[Motomom]

uhh the fact he wanted a paternity test tells me more about what a busy bee crystal was

IMO

Good point.. it works both ways.

[bluwaters]

Because she was standing at the front door when he pulled into the driveway?
That's one version.
I don't know what happened up to the point of that 911 call.
I can see Crystal screaming those obscenities at both Ron and Misty.
Ron to Misty?
If LE has cleared her and she is innocent, then I hope she gets away from her master and goes back to school.
She's young and wants to live in the city.
Her dreams will never come true with Ron in Satsuma, FL.
jmho

[legalmania]

I am 61 yrs. old. I have heard that word for about 50 of those years. It really means nothing to me, truthfully. Most people try not to use certain words around kids.
As for the way he talked to 911, he sounds to be in a panic. My sister in law is a dispatcher. They all understand.
I never said anything about bedding down a 17 yr. old. I said it about her watching the children. But, if it isn't bothering her parents, who am I to say anything.
jmo

There going to hear that word at school with their friends, I taught my kids not to use bad language but in jr high they were cursing up a storm. It's something they do to impress their friends.

[breeze53]

... he was at work which is about 10 minutes away from the home. I wonder if meal breaks were monitored and if someone can vouch for him every minute he was working. Somehow, it would not surprise me if he was able to sneak home to check on Misty and the kids.

I know where I work that people clock in and then disappear and sometimes I see them drive off soon after. They say they forgot something at home or was going for cigarettes or soda..... all kind of excuses when they are caught. But according to the time clock, they were there. If nobody notices then nobody knows they are gone.



I agree I have worked with people like that too. If he worked 10 hr shifts he should get 2 30 min breaks and a long lunch,he had time to go home and get back . I doubt on that kind of job he was watched real close any how.

[bama__angel]

Have you ever seen someone who hasn't slept?



ITA.... Sleep deprivation can cause major problems.......even psychosis.

[summer4meplz]

because he is 4 and scared or 4 and doesn't realize what the import is?


technically at the time he was still 3....

[bluwaters]

uhh the fact he wanted a paternity test tells me more about what a busy bee crystal was

IMO
Oh, I don't know about that.
A cheater often suspects the partner of the same bad behavior.

[Motomom]

That's one version.
I don't know what happened up to the point of that 911 call.
I can see Crystal screaming those obscenities at both Ron and Misty.
Ron to Misty?
If LE has cleared her and she is innocent, then I hope she gets away from her master and goes back to school.
She's young and wants to live in the city.
Her dreams will never come true with Ron in Satsuma, FL.
jmho

I agree with you, she should go back to school. As for Ron, so far, at this point in time, I don't see him as a bad guy. So if she chose to stay with him, so be it.. but she should go back to school.

If you don't know what happened up to that point, why assume he didn't have a concern for her? Of course IMO his only concern should have been missing Haleigh anyways.

[Lorakai]

I hate to disappoint you, but the "F" word is no biggie anymore, everywhere you turn, you hear it. Upper class on down.

As for Misty being there with the children, whats the big deal with her age??? I really don't get it.
jmo

IMO Misty is 17 should be going to High School everyday, having fun with friends, getting her diploma and living with her family to get the support she needs to hopefully one day further her education and get a career. "I get" that at the ripe age of 17 you should not be shackled down with watching a verbally abusive 25 year old man's two toddlers, cleaning his house, doing his laundry, feeding and taking care of a whole household. At 17 you are old enough to be responsible for your choices and acting accordingly.

I come from a family that the F word is not unheard of, but I have heard it in anger only, and it is not common to be dropping the F bomb around my kids. If we were to succum to the "this is normal today" cliche everytime it's thrown out there, well,... we are not upper class, or lower class, we are unclassified and choose to remain that way.

In all honesty you are definately entitled to your opinion, but your comment didn't disspoint me, it didn't shock me, it just confirms what I have been thinking all along.... todays generation I feel is going down the tubes. 25 is the new 17, and 17 is the new 25. Sad, very very sad.

:wub: Lorakai

[bluwaters]

I am 61 yrs. old. I have heard that word for about 50 of those years. It really means nothing to me, truthfully. Most people try not to use certain words around kids.
As for the way he talked to 911, he sounds to be in a panic. My sister in law is a dispatcher. They all understand.
I never said anything about bedding down a 17 yr. old. I said it about her watching the children. But, if it isn't bothering her parents, who am I to say anything.
jmo
The State of Florida frowns upon and it is a 2nd degree felony.
Grown men taking advantage of girls is not acceptable.
A note from mommy and daddy doesn't make it all go away either.
Sadly, the courts know that there are parents who do not have their children's best interests at heart.

[breeze53]

I am 61 yrs. old. I have heard that word for about 50 of those years. It really means nothing to me, truthfully. Most people try not to use certain words around kids.
As for the way he talked to 911, he sounds to be in a panic. My sister in law is a dispatcher. They all understand.
I never said anything about bedding down a 17 yr. old. I said it about her watching the children. But, if it isn't bothering her parents, who am I to say anything.
jmo


Sad part is it really should be bothering her parents. Like you I have heard the F word alot in my 56 yrs but never used it around my children. Young people just dont care anymore but it's the little children who suffer for the parents mistakes, I didnt mean to be rude to you in my post I am not that way at all. Just gets me he would take on a 17 yr old and expect her to act like shes an adult when shes not. Maybe this will bring her closer to her family and her life can get on the right track who knows I sure dont.:w00t:

[legalmania]

IMO Misty is 17 should be going to High School everyday, having fun with friends, getting her diploma and living with her family to get the support she needs to hopefully one day further her education and get a career. "I get" that at the ripe age of 17 you should not be shackled down with watching a verbally abusive 25 year old man's two toddlers, cleaning his house, doing his laundry, feeding and taking care of a whole household. At 17 you are old enough to be responsible for your choices and acting accordingly.

I come from a family that the F word is not unheard of, but I have heard it in anger only, and it is not common to be dropping the F bomb around my kids. If we were to succum to the "this is normal today" cliche everytime it's thrown out there, well,... we are not upper class, or lower class, we are unclassified and choose to remain that way.

In all honesty you are definately entitled to your opinion, but your comment didn't disspoint me, it didn't shock me, it just confirms what I have been thinking all along.... todays generation I feel is going down the tubes. 25 is the new 17, and 17 is the new 25. Sad, very very sad.

:wub: Lorakai

I was watching a documentary the other day and it was saying that a lot of girls want to be mommies at 17. They are having babies because they want to. I say leave the girl alone she is doing what she wants. She probably comes from an abusive background and feels safe with Ron.

[forensicfan]

I would assume Ron has to do that too--heavy machinery operator and all. If he was dealing, he wasn't using. He wouldn't have gotten that job if he tested positive.

Correct! Pdm Bridge has a branch in Illinois and the heavy equipment operators are required to take a drug test.

[Speedy30]

Have you ever seen someone who hasn't slept?

Yeah, and I have also seen someone nodding out because of substance abuse and it looks a lot like Ron. I am sure he was tired, but I have seen other parents unfortunately on TV pleading for their kids after probably getting little sleep and they weren't looking like Ron. jmo

[CC I See]

Correct! Pdm Bridge has a branch in Illinois and the heavy equipment operators are required to take a drug test..... yes, but are they random? Where I work such tests are required but no one really gets one.... too expensive I'm told.

[Magnum357]

uhh the fact he wanted a paternity test tells me more about what a busy bee crystal was

IMO

Ha ha ha ha!!! :thumbsup:

[bluwaters]

I agree with you, she should go back to school. As for Ron, so far, at this point in time, I don't see him as a bad guy. So if she chose to stay with him, so be it.. but she should go back to school.

If you don't know what happened up to that point, why assume he didn't have a concern for her? Of course IMO his only concern should have been missing Haleigh anyways.
You are right.
I should not assume that Misty was herself distressed in any way that Haleigh was missing.
There was not reason for Ron to show her any consideration.
I agree with you.
Instead of wasting his breath abusing Misty, who is already traumatized, he should have been screaming for Haleigh loud enough to wake the entire neighborhood.

[Britney]

On NG, bottom of ticker:

Misty cleared in any wrong doing.

I think that ticker was referring to Crystal taking and passing the LDT.
Not Misty.

[Lorakai]

I was watching a documentary the other day and it was saying that a lot of girls want to be mommies at 17. They are having babies because they want to. I say leave the girl alone she is doing what she wants. She probably comes from an abusive background and feels safe with Ron.

I just don't find anything healthy about this dysfunctional behavior and speaks volumes for what our future generations will be like if left alone. I think they enable each other IMO

[CC I See]

I think that ticker was referring to Crystal taking and passing the LDT.
Not Misty....you are right. It was Crystal that was cleared because she said she took and passed a Lie Detector Test. I never really suspected that she had anything to do with the abduction since she was not in town.

[legalmania]

I would trust LE to ask co-workers and boss these simple questions.

I agree LE has question everyone and Ron and Misty are not suspects.

[breeze53]

.... yes, but are they random? Where I work such tests are required but no one really gets one.... too expensive I'm told.



And theres ways around that to my hubby use to pee in a cup for some guys at work. Long story but it can be done............I told him he should have cahnrged them a fee:tonguewag:

[CC I See]

Yes, I wondered if they ever questioned Misty's brother, who stopped by to visit. Any news-anyone??? What van are you talking about?:confused:Misty's whole family is camera shy so it seems. News media has not filmed them. LE said that all family has been questioned and NO ONE has been ruled out.

[Ice Cycle]

I am 61 yrs. old. I have heard that word for about 50 of those years. It really means nothing to me, truthfully. Most people try not to use certain words around kids.
As for the way he talked to 911, he sounds to be in a panic. My sister in law is a dispatcher. They all understand.
I never said anything about bedding down a 17 yr. old. I said it about her watching the children. But, if it isn't bothering her parents, who am I to say anything.
jmo

Well I am in my 50"s and I rarely heard that word used, that is up until the past decade or so. Of course now it's common to more people but not everyone and especially in front of kids. Most have to monitor the T.V.to keep it from being heard.
His 911 SEEMED genuine and I can see him getting upset at being asked questions that did not seem relevant , as I would of (just not used that choice of words). At a time like that most people can only focus on finding the child and I do think some of those questions could at least wait till the LE is there. Course that does not excuse his actions for all the other.

Ice

[VC2]

Correct me on this if I am wrong. Didn't Crystal's fiance tell GR that RC had told him that he (Ron) was 75% certain he knew who took Haleigh.

Tonight on NG, Crystal and Mom said that was all a misunderstanding. Ron had told a "cousin", not the fiance.

JMO

figures. crystal or chad lie and now its "a misunderstanding". Funny how she didn't correct Geraldo when standing right beside him

btw if Ron did say it to a cousin i am not surprised, i think if i had been told about misty's cousin and that he had messed with her, and remember that Ron has no reason not to believe his g/f when she says he is trouble and might be responsible, i would feel 75% sure too.

I also would never ever ever say so to a pig like Geraldo Rivera. Anything he asked i would say no to especially if i had heard what he said on BOR the night before.

imo

[forensicfan]

.... yes, but are they random? Where I work such tests are required but no one really gets one.... too expensive I'm told.

My brother in law was quite the pot chimney before he worked there but had to quit because he was randomly tested.

[Peaches]

...you are right. It was Crystal that was cleared because she said she took and passed a Lie Detector Test. I never really suspected that she had anything to do with the abduction since she was not in town.


I heard her say on Nancy Grace that the person giving the test said that he/she thought it looked okay but it still had to be send somewhere to be read.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why is everyone assuming that Crystal passed this test.

[legalmania]

I just don't find anything healthy about this dysfunctional behavior and speaks volumes for what our future generations will be like if left alone. I think they enable each other IMO

My grandmother was married at 14 and had her first kid at 16, this behavior has been happening for a long time. Look at Sarah Palins daughter and Britney Spears sister. It has been the way things have been for centuries. Some people just want to live life their way and I believe it's non of our business.

[odyssey]

...you are right. It was Crystal that was cleared because she said she took and passed a Lie Detector Test. I never really suspected that she had anything to do with the abduction since she was not in town.

Okay then by your theory ...

Crystal stating took ldt and passed = cleared
soo
Ron stating took ldt and passed = cleared ..... right?


moo

[sunstar]

You are right.
I should not assume that Misty was herself distressed in any way that Haleigh was missing.
There was not reason for Ron to show her any consideration.
I agree with you.
Instead of wasting his breath abusing Misty, who is already traumatized, he should have been screaming for Haleigh loud enough to wake the entire neighborhood.
But they said she'd never have wandered off on her own, so it wouldn't do any good to call her name ~ the abductor had her. Or at least that seems to be their way of thinking here. MOO

[Magnum357]

...you are right. It was Crystal that was cleared because she said she took and passed a Lie Detector Test. I never really suspected that she had anything to do with the abduction since she was not in town.

I don't suspect she had anything to do with the disappearance either but.........she doesn't know the results of the polygraph----she said so herself. She said it had to be sent for analysis.

LE hasn't stated thus far that anyone has passed. They're not commenting.

[Motomom]

You are right.
I should not assume that Misty was herself distressed in any way that Haleigh was missing.
There was not reason for Ron to show her any consideration.
I agree with you.
Instead of wasting his breath abusing Misty, who is already traumatized, he should have been screaming for Haleigh loud enough to wake the entire neighborhood.

Well I don't think he was abusing misty in that instance.. maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I take into consideration the amount of stress on both him and her at that time.. and consideration for misty can come after the fact imo.she wasn't physically hurt, he could tell that much I think.

[CC I See]

I heard her say on Nancy Grace that the person giving the test said that he/she thought it looked okay but it still had to be send somewhere to be read.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why is everyone assuming that Crystal passed this test...... well, because Nancy Grace said so.:unsure:

[sunstar]

I heard her say on Nancy Grace that the person giving the test said that he/she thought it looked okay but it still had to be send somewhere to be read.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why is everyone assuming that Crystal passed this test.

That's what I heard her say too. She really wasn't sure because it was sent somewhere for analysis but then Nancy jumped in and said she took one and passed it.

[emdragon]

I am 61 yrs. old. I have heard that word for about 50 of those years. It really means nothing to me, truthfully. Most people try not to use certain words around kids.
As for the way he talked to 911, he sounds to be in a panic. My sister in law is a dispatcher. They all understand.
I never said anything about bedding down a 17 yr. old. I said it about her watching the children. But, if it isn't bothering her parents, who am I to say anything.
jmo

I was married to a Sailor- lived around sailors and admit to picking up the vocabulary. We had a cuss box when the kids were little and one friend would walk in toss a 5 dollar bill in and say he was covered for the night. lol My girls made a fortune and the hearing one NEVER used a swear word until she turned 18.

Everyone is hung up on Misti's age but I think when it comes down to it the fact that she had been kicked out of her house in reality makes her emancipated even if it wasn't done in court.

there may be other things LE will look into once they find Haleigh but I think Misti's relationship isn't one of them.

[Motomom]

Yes, it's a mess. Misty was abused and needs therapy, school, a normal teen-age life. She doesn't need a controlling older boyfriend, and being responsible for his home and kids.

Could it be that Ron's home, was better then her home with her parents? In her mind it must be since she was there with him..course 17 yr olds like to do whatever they please too.

[Britney]

I heard her say on Nancy Grace that the person giving the test said that he/she thought it looked okay but it still had to be send somewhere to be read.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why is everyone assuming that Crystal passed this test.

Because there is a big banner on Nancy Grace's website that says so!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Speedy30]

On the edge of my seat now--just what IS Ron supposed to look like?

Well, I know that no two people are going to act alike, but I dont get why some people just rule out the fact Ron isn't doing drugs, when there are indications in his past he likes drugs. He got busted a few times, that is a big deal, from life experience I know that maybe for the one time you got busted, there were probably a lot more that you were not found out, its just how life works.

I dont think Misty looks like a healthy 17 year old girl. I also know that Misty was 16 when she was seeing Ron, he was 24, or 23, that bothers me alot.

If it walks like a duck....

moo

[Magnum357]

I heard her say on Nancy Grace that the person giving the test said that he/she thought it looked okay but it still had to be send somewhere to be read.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why is everyone assuming that Crystal passed this test.

You've got me.

[Magnum357]

Because there is a big banner on Nancy Grace's website that says so!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

That hardly makes it a fact.

[CC I See]

Went to a 60th anniversary last week. She was 17 and he was 24 when they married. Believe me they aren't trashy. :tonguewag:..... the key word here is MARRIED. I too was married at 17 which is different than being a live-in because it is all about commitment that comes with a wedding.

[Lorakai]

Yes, it's a mess. Misty was abused and needs therapy, school, a normal teen-age life. She doesn't need a controlling older boyfriend, and being responsible for his home and kids.

My 17 yr old "analogy" is not making excuses for Misty, if she had anything to do with Haleigh, she should be held accountable for her choices and actions. I don't think a slap on the wrist would be enough for a chance at a better life. IMO

[Peaches]

..... well, because Nancy Grace said so.:unsure:



Sorry maybe I typed it wrong..............it came out of Crystal's mouth.............

It has to be sent to someone to check...............:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

Went to a 60th anniversary last week. She was 17 and he was 24 when they married. Believe me they aren't trashy. :tonguewag:

Happy 60th anniversary grandma and grandpa :rose:

[Peaches]

That's what I heard her say too. She really wasn't sure because it was sent somewhere for analysis but then Nancy jumped in and said she took one and passed it.


Thank you sunstar! Did you see the post above yours..............

[Motomom]

My 17 yr old "analogy" is not making excuses for Misty, if she had anything to do with Haleigh, she should be held accountable for her choices and actions. I don't think a slap on the wrist would be enough for a chance at a better life. IMO

speaking of which.. I'm curious about those that continually call misty a CHILD.. if we find out she had something to do with Haleighs dissappearance.. will you want her charged as a CHILD?

[CC I See]

speaking of which.. I'm curious about those that continually call misty a CHILD.. if we find out she had something to do with Haleighs dissappearance.. will you want her charged as a CHILD?..... no because she then becomes the monster we thought she was and is now fully accountable.

[Motomom]

..... no because she then becomes the monster we thought she was and is now fully accountable.

interesting..

[Peaches]

Because there is a big banner on Nancy Grace's website that says so!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/



I watched Crystal say that she took the test.................the person giving test said that everything looked okay But

it had to be sent to someone before she could be told she passed.

Did you see NG? If not she comes on again at 10.

[CC I See]

In Texas there is common law and residing together and behaving as man and wife make you married. Common law marriages even have to go to court to get a divorce. I know--Florida is different.

So would you feel differently if Ron and Misty had walked down the aisle? I have a feeling they would still be drawing flak on this board for that too. :crying: I would feel differently about it because like I said in my post, it is all about taking that step of making a commitment of being there for each other not only in the present but in the future.

[Britney]

I watched Crystal say that she took the test.................the person giving test said that everything looked okay But

it had to be sent to someone before she could be told she passed.

Did you see NG? If not she comes on again at 10.

Yes, I saw the 8 pm show.

[forensicfan]

Oh I give up!

Based on one allegation from an angry ex involved in a custody battle and a lot of swearing in a 9-1-1 phone call, we now have determined that Ron is a child and g/f abuser sneaking home during his lunch or break to kill his daughter, hide the body and clean up so well that even the police and TX Equisearch can't find her and he has someone else pee in a cup for him so the drugs he uses and sells doesn't show up so he can continue to be an informant for the cops. I told my 17 year old f----- cousin's f---- ex that I'm 75% f---- sure of it! :rolleyes:

Sorry. I think some of us are over thinking this. I honestly think someone kidnapped this little girl and neither parent had anything to do with it.

[Magnum357]

..... no because she then becomes the monster we thought she was and is now fully accountable.

Who's 'we'.? Speak for yourself.

[Peaches]

That hardly makes it a fact.


Nancy Grace will be back on at 10:00

Today it was proven that all articles are not transcribed correctly.

Sooooooooooo these people need to watch the rerun tonight.


THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT

[Magnum357]

Oh I give up!

Based on one allegation from an angry ex involved in a custody battle and a lot of swearing in a 9-1-1 phone call, we now have determined that Ron is a child and g/f abuser sneaking home during his lunch or break to kill his daughter, hide the body and clean up so well that even the police and TX Equisearch can't find her and he has someone else pee in a cup for him so the drugs he uses and sells doesn't show up so he can continue to be an informant for the cops. I told my 17 year old f----- cousin's f---- ex that I'm 75% f---- sure of it! :rolleyes:

Sorry. I think some of us are over thinking this. I honestly think someone kidnapped this little girl and neither parent had anything to do with it.

I think you're right. Guess that makes us boring.

[Details]

I kinda suspect someone else has brought this up, and I don't know too much about this case - but when I read about it, it's got such a strong echo of the Couey case, the Westerfield case, where flawed, but innocent parents, were natural suspects until we found out the truth.

Sad but true that sometimes a child can be abducted from a home without a trace, sometimes parents are flawed but still innocent. Maybe it was an open door, maybe it was a child remembering she'd left a favorite toy outside, at just the wrong moment. I've always suspected that's what happened in the Westerfield case. Out of all the thousands of children who once in awhile open a door to get something at night, once in awhile, one must do so when a pedophile just happens to be nearby.

The parents are of course good suspects, and sounds like there's reason to look to them - but it's all sounding a lot like the other cases.

[CC I See]

My bold.

Thanks, thats what I thought I read and read and read before I posted it. LOL.... well, yes, she is but is an ex girlfriend.

[forensicfan]

I think you're right. Guess that makes us boring.

Quite the contrary! It's a message board and we all are entitled to our own opinions and theories.

[kkmiausa]

I think Men in Black were the police who came to investigate and he is confused. He also was probably coached in that by his father and Misty. How do we know it is true.

[emdragon]

Nancy Grace will be back on at 10:00

Today it was proven that all articles are not transcribed correctly.

Sooooooooooo these people need to watch the rerun tonight.


THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT

I wouldn't believe the sky is blue if I heard on Nancy Grace's show.

Seriously they need to hire a new fact checker.

[Peaches]

Oh I give up!

Based on one allegation from an angry ex involved in a custody battle and a lot of swearing in a 9-1-1 phone call, we now have determined that Ron is a child and g/f abuser sneaking home during his lunch or break to kill his daughter, hide the body and clean up so well that even the police and TX Equisearch can't find her and he has someone else pee in a cup for him so the drugs he uses and sells doesn't show up so he can continue to be an informant for the cops. I told my 17 year old f----- cousin's f---- ex that I'm 75% f---- sure of it! :rolleyes:

Sorry. I think some of us are over thinking this. I honestly think someone kidnapped this little girl and neither parent had anything to do with it.


Bump

Excellent Post

[kkmiausa]

I think you're right. Guess that makes us boring.
Until I hear the police absolutely clear Misty and Ron I will continue to have my theory. :wub:

[Spry]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;12819367]I personally think the call was exactly the way a parent would be acting when they have a child that is discovered missing.....I find nothing wrong with the fathers behavior at all....Had he acted any different, it would have been looked upon also as doing something wrong....(like never reporting your child missing)....

The police acted appropriately also in asking for polygraphs to be taken immediately, so that they can be ruled out....(for which the father did not hesitate to take)....Had he refused, I would have been suspiscious...I see him as a worried father (understandably so) ...he doesn't know who has his daughter and what is happening to his daughter....that is enough to kill a parent.....

I think bio mom is taking this opportunity to down Ron...(obviously bad blood between them)...I do not think that either parent is responsible for Haleigh missing.....but I'll take my chance on Ron being more fit.....and the courts must have thought so also....
I think the call was bizarre. Who when not knowing where their child is, immediately jumps to the conclusion that someone stole her and he is going to kill them!! I would be trying to get as many details to the 911 operator as possible to track down my child, including birthdate or whatever other information they needed. He didn't even correct Misty when she gave the same weight. I believe it was totally staged. Law enforcement has NEVER cleared him from the lie detector information. With Klaas that was the first thing he did so authorities could get on with finding his daughter. The only alibis are from Ron's own family and their stories are not straight.

Oh, they're all behaving like children. Who can say what about the other before the other says something. Who can sling mud the farthest. It's becoming a game of interviews of who denies doing what when. In the meantime, where is the person who is central to this whole tragic incident? Oh, yeah, little Haleigh. I got so caught up in all the drug accusations, the abuse allegations, the who is the fitter parent declarations, which journalist has the better newsbreaks, I forgot all about her... :w00t:

[sunstar]

Thank you sunstar! Did you see the post above yours..............

Yes I did! :laugh:

[Magnum357]

Quite the contrary! It's a message board and we all are entitled to our own opinions and theories.

No one has any business trashing family members in this case with derogatory comments. These people are victims whether one agrees with their life style or not. Guess you weren't around for the Jessica Lunsford case.

[sunstar]

Yeah i heard that and it pizzed me off. Either she knows she passed or failed and she said well the man said " HE THINKS " she passed but he had to send it off. Yeah right...........IMO she probably did NOT pass.

That sounds kind of "inconclusive" to me. :unsure: MOO

[CC I See]

I think Men in Black were the police who came to investigate and he is confused. He also was probably coached in that by his father and Misty. How do we know it is true..... we don't and it's strange that information this important is only now coming out. It would be interesting to know if Ron Jr. also knows if Misty was asleep next to him in bed.... don't you think he would have awaken her if a man he didn't seem to know walked in and took his sister? I would think that he would be scared enough to wake Misty and tell her, when the man left. But maybe she wasn't there to tell.

[Peaches]

I think Men in Black were the police who came to investigate and he is confused. He also was probably coached in that by his father and Misty. How do we know it is true.


I certainly think this is incorrect......................he was with his stepgrandmother when he first said this and later with his mother.

Why in the world was he not with his mother instead of stepgrandmother when mother only gets him for 2 day every 2 weeks.

[Magnum357]

Until I hear the police absolutely clear Misty and Ron I will continue to have my theory. :wub:


Do tell. What's your theory?

[bluwaters]

I was watching a documentary the other day and it was saying that a lot of girls want to be mommies at 17. They are having babies because they want to. I say leave the girl alone she is doing what she wants. She probably comes from an abusive background and feels safe with Ron.
Wow!

WOW!

Just let a 17 year old do what they want?
Just how are they going to provide for those cute little babies day in and day out with no education?
What about when your "man" splits for the newer, younger model?
Yes, there is a very dangerous trend among teens at the moment that it is just great to have babies.
So, just let them?
After all, it's trendy?

I am sorry, but I am old enough to remember when women weren't allowed into some male dominated fields, when higher education was not considered important for women. My own mother discouraged me from acting like I was too smart because, "men don't like women like that." Even today it is hard for women to gain the respect that is automatically given to men in many, many professions. Women still do not receive equal pay for equal work.

In my life I have seen the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States. I have seen women become astronauts, which was not an option for my generation of girls. Women allowed to lead in ministry in many religions, though still not all. Women doctors are not an oddity in today's world. Women in Congress, women in construction, women architects, scientists, and engineers. Here, in this country, girls are given access to education that girls in some other parts of the world are persecuted, sometimes even to death, for pursuing.

The women's movement was and is all about civil rights.
It is about freeing women to reach their potential.
Yes, have babies if you want, but be damned sure that you can provide for them for at least 21 years, day in and day out.

It is wonderful to be a mother. I am blessed to be one myself.
It is not something to be taken lightly.
Being a parent is a huge responsibility.
Just look at this case!
It doesn't look to me like teen age parenting has worked out so well.

The State of Florida is trying to protect young women from falling into the trap of having children as teens and giving up on higher education.
Not everyone wants a college degree, but a high school degree or GED is vital.

I know that there are some here who have married young and raised their families with no regrets. That is commendable. It is not the norm for that scenario to turn out so well. I dare say that the ones who have succeeded are not much like Ron, Misty, Crystal, and Amber.
The decision to have children should be taken seriously, with the future of those children considered. Children need stability and guidance. Marriage does matter! There are many single moms and dads who do an excellent job, but I can guarantee that it is harder alone than with an equal, loving partner.

A girl who cannot stick it out to even finish getting a high school degree, IMO, does not have much chance at sticking it out to raise up another human being responsibly. Parenthood is not a job that one can quit because it isn't really what it seemed it would be like. Parenthood is for the rest of your life. A parent is never free to do whatever they want without taking their children's needs into consideration first.

At 17, boys and girls should be getting an education, enjoying the freedom to find themselves, and planning for a future that can fulfill their dreams.

OK - flame away!
Ooooh - sorry to be so long winded. I didn't mean to write a book. :blushing:

[Lorakai]

My genealogy experience of course tells me that through the generations it's not unheard of that people were married at a young age. Misty and Ron are not married, nor could we imagine that our families could have behaved like this back in the day.

Also during these generations, life was not as we have it today. It was indeed a way of life, there was also no birth control, so families were growing large.

Why can't we strive for more for our children? Just because it was common in the past am I to just live in the past. My father is the first one in my family through generations to want his grandchildren to graduate HS, go to college, build a career, provide a stable environment ie: then get married, have kids and grow old happily.

He was so proud when my sister graduated with a masters, for she was the first one in the surname chain to have broken that "bad pattern" as my dad would call it. He now has hope that our family will do well in the future generations to come.

:wub: Lorakai

[CC I See]

Big difference between Lunsford case & this one. Lunsford case is solved.:thumbsup:

[summer4meplz]

speaking of which.. I'm curious about those that continually call misty a CHILD.. if we find out she had something to do with Haleighs dissappearance.. will you want her charged as a CHILD?



excellent question Motomom:thumbsup:

[Britney]

This was on Fox's News Site.

Seeing its a slow news night, I thought I'd would bring it here.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Psychic-believes-Haleigh-will-be-found-alive-and-well

I saw that earlier. Hope it comes true.

[Britney]

Looks like Greta will be talking about Haleigh / Geraldo shortly

[Peaches]

Wow!

WOW!

Just let a 17 year old do what they want?
Just how are they going to provide for those cute little babies day in and day out with no education?
What about when your "man" splits for the newer, younger model?
Yes, there is a very dangerous trend among teens at the moment that it is just great to have babies.
So, just let them?
After all, it's trendy?

I am sorry, but I am old enough to remember when women weren't allowed into some male dominated fields, when higher education was not considered important for women. My own mother discouraged me from acting like I was too smart because, "men don't like women like that." Even today it is hard for women to gain the respect that is automatically given to men in many, many professions. Women still do not receive equal pay for equal work.

In my life I have seen the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States. I have seen women become astronauts, which was not an option for my generation of girls. Women allowed to lead in ministry in many religions, though still not all. Women doctors are not an oddity in today's world. Women in Congress, women in construction, women architects, scientists, and engineers. Here, in this country, girls are given access to education that girls in some other parts of the world are persecuted, sometimes even to death, for pursuing.

The women's movement was and is all about civil rights.
It is about freeing women to reach their potential.
Yes, have babies if you want, but be damned sure that you can provide for them for at least 21 years, day in and day out.

It is wonderful to be a mother. I am blessed to be one myself.
It is not something to be taken lightly.
Being a parent is a huge responsibility.
Just look at this case!
It doesn't look to me like teen age parenting has worked out so well.

The State of Florida is trying to protect young women from falling into the trap of having children as teens and giving up on higher education.
Not everyone wants a college degree, but a high school degree or GED is vital.

I know that there are some here who have married young and raised their families with no regrets. That is commendable. It is not the norm for that scenario to turn out so well. I dare say that the ones who have succeeded are not much like Ron, Misty, Crystal, and Amber.
The decision to have children should be taken seriously, with the future of those children considered. Children need stability and guidance. Marriage does matter! There are many single moms and dads who do an excellent job, but I can guarantee that it is harder alone than with an equal, loving partner.

A girl who cannot stick it out to even finish getting a high school degree, IMO, does not have much chance at sticking it out to raise up another human being responsibly. Parenthood is not a job that one can quit because it isn't really what it seemed it would be like. Parenthood is for the rest of your life. A parent is never free to do whatever they want without taking their children's needs into consideration first.

At 17, boys and girls should be getting an education, enjoying the freedom to find themselves, and planning for a future that can fulfill their dreams.

OK - flame away!
Ooooh - sorry to be so long winded. I didn't mean to write a book. :blushing:



What I think is---------------------parents need to lead their children with their actions as well as their words.

Education is the ONLY way to work yourself out of proverty..........but where children are concerned...............love is one of the most important things you can give them..................material things are okay but knowing that you are loved unconditionally is what a child needs to know. My 4 year old granddaughter asked me today if I loved her even when she is naughty..............I said of course I do..........she just smiled...................then I told her that I do not like the naughty things she does............

If children did not need parents, I think that we would be just like animals........................send them off on their own early on.

[Lorakai]

Wow!

WOW!

Just let a 17 year old do what they want?
:blushing:

I would not flame you for anything you said just now. I know it's frustrating when someone points out that this is normal leave it alone,.. I have been trying to point this out all night that this acceptance of this is only doing in our future gens.

ty

:wub: Lorakai

[CC I See]

This was on Fox's News Site.

Seeing its a slow news night, I thought I'd would bring it here.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Psychic-believes-Haleigh-will-be-found-alive-and-well..... well tomorrow is the 24th so we don't have long to wait. Somehow, his vision doesn't do much for me.... anybody else?

[?noanswer]

Looks like Greta will be talking about Haleigh / Geraldo shortly

It's unbelievable that the media is now making a story out of the GR fiasco. CNN & HLN both covered GR interview. They were laughing about it. Disgusting!!!!! JMO

[Magnum357]

Big difference between Lunsford case & this one. Lunsford case is solved.

It wasn't solved at the time people were making nasty comments about Mark, the way he looked and spoke, Archie and his past history, the way Jessica looked, etc. It was disgusting.

[Themis]

Wow!

WOW!

Just let a 17 year old do what they want?
Just how are they going to provide for those cute little babies day in and day out with no education?
What about when your "man" splits for the newer, younger model?
Yes, there is a very dangerous trend among teens at the moment that it is just great to have babies.
So, just let them?
After all, it's trendy?

I am sorry, but I am old enough to remember when women weren't allowed into some male dominated fields, when higher education was not considered important for women. My own mother discouraged me from acting like I was too smart because, "men don't like women like that." Even today it is hard for women to gain the respect that is automatically given to men in many, many professions. Women still do not receive equal pay for equal work.

In my life I have seen the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States. I have seen women become astronauts, which was not an option for my generation of girls. Women allowed to lead in ministry in many religions, though still not all. Women doctors are not an oddity in today's world. Women in Congress, women in construction, women architects, scientists, and engineers. Here, in this country, girls are given access to education that girls in some other parts of the world are persecuted, sometimes even to death, for pursuing.

The women's movement was and is all about civil rights.
It is about freeing women to reach their potential.
Yes, have babies if you want, but be damned sure that you can provide for them for at least 21 years, day in and day out.

It is wonderful to be a mother. I am blessed to be one myself.
It is not something to be taken lightly.
Being a parent is a huge responsibility.
Just look at this case!
It doesn't look to me like teen age parenting has worked out so well.

The State of Florida is trying to protect young women from falling into the trap of having children as teens and giving up on higher education.
Not everyone wants a college degree, but a high school degree or GED is vital.

I know that there are some here who have married young and raised their families with no regrets. That is commendable. It is not the norm for that scenario to turn out so well. I dare say that the ones who have succeeded are not much like Ron, Misty, Crystal, and Amber.
The decision to have children should be taken seriously, with the future of those children considered. Children need stability and guidance. Marriage does matter! There are many single moms and dads who do an excellent job, but I can guarantee that it is harder alone than with an equal, loving partner.

A girl who cannot stick it out to even finish getting a high school degree, IMO, does not have much chance at sticking it out to raise up another human being responsibly. Parenthood is not a job that one can quit because it isn't really what it seemed it would be like. Parenthood is for the rest of your life. A parent is never free to do whatever they want without taking their children's needs into consideration first.

At 17, boys and girls should be getting an education, enjoying the freedom to find themselves, and planning for a future that can fulfill their dreams.

OK - flame away!
Ooooh - sorry to be so long winded. I didn't mean to write a book. :blushing:
Post of the Day. [JMO]

[kkmiausa]

figures. crystal or chad lie and now its "a misunderstanding". Funny how she didn't correct Geraldo when standing right beside him

btw if Ron did say it to a cousin i am not surprised, i think if i had been told about misty's cousin and that he had messed with her, and remember that Ron has no reason not to believe his g/f when she says he is trouble and might be responsible, i would feel 75% sure too.

I also would never ever ever say so to a pig like Geraldo Rivera. Anything he asked i would say no to especially if i had heard what he said on BOR the night before.

imo


She said her fiance was brought in because they had understood he was the "FRIEND" that Ron had told he was 75 per cent sure he knew who it was. So her fiance was not brought in as a suspect. Also she said the person Ron said he was 75 per cent sure of was Misty's cousin who has been cleared now.

[playnice]

I dont think either of these parents know what happened. A reporter said that LE did check with Rons work and he was there. Ron thought Mistis cousin took her but LE doesnt think so.
Everyone focuses on this back door. Why couldnt a perp blocked it open so he could get out fast, go in the front with a cc and take her?
I still believe it was a SO.

[?noanswer]

In all fairness, your feelings of disgust may be another persons awareness. The more media coverage, the better and in this case, whether it is good coverage or bad coverage doesn't really matter to me, as long as the news is giving it coverage, allowing more people to see Haleigh's picture, know her story and by doing so, will possibly bring Haleigh home in a faster manner. imo.


I would agree if they were talking about Haleigh, but GR was the story, not Haleigh. JMO

[Magnum357]

Greta wants to know why Ron got custody. Reporter says it's because Ron had a job and Crystal didn't. Greta not buying it saying Crystal would have gotten child support so that's not enough of a reason. Interesting perspective.

[emdragon]

She said her fiance was brought in because they had understood he was the "FRIEND" that Ron had told he was 75 per cent sure he knew who it was. So her fiance was not brought in as a suspect. Also she said the person Ron said he was 75 per cent sure of was Misty's cousin who has been cleared now.

Couple key things in your post.

"SHE said" does not mean that is the truth.

The cousin has not been CLEARED. LE said he was not a suspect or a POI- not that he was cleared.
LE has named no Suspects or POI and have repeatedly said no one has been ruled out.

[?noanswer]

She said her fiance was brought in because they had understood he was the "FRIEND" that Ron had told he was 75 per cent sure he knew who it was. So her fiance was not brought in as a suspect. Also she said the person Ron said he was 75 per cent sure of was Misty's cousin who has been cleared now.

In the GR interview, the fiance was asked point blank if RC told him the 75% story, he hesitated and then said "yes". Now it is a "misunderstanding". JMO

[kkmiausa]

Do tell. What's your theory?

Ron came home, climbed into bed with Misty and it was wet. He threw Haleigh to the ground in his anger and accidentally killed her. He then because of his past history with DCF panicked and concocted story with Misty of intruder taking her. He drove to the river and weighed down the body with a concrete block. Drove back home (river is only 300 yards away)and had Misty call 911.

[CC I See]

I dont think either of these parents know what happened. A reporter said that LE did check with Rons work and he was there. Ron thought Mistis cousin took her but LE doesnt think so.
Everyone focuses on this back door. Why couldnt a perp blocked it open so he could get out fast, go in the front with a cc and take her?
I still believe it was a SO.
He could have but he first must get inside the home. With Misty stating that the doors were locked and dead bolted, this is a mystery yet to be explained.

[Zeus]

It wasn't solved at the time people were making nasty comments about Mark, the way he looked and spoke, Archie and his past history, the way Jessica looked, etc. It was disgusting.

You're right. After the case was solved, Mark was everyone's hero. During the time period Jessica was missing, he and his family were trashed on the boards much the same as is happening with Ron Cummings and his family.

[emdragon]

Greta wants to know why Ron got custody. Reporter says it's because Ron had a job and Crystal didn't. Greta not buying it saying Crystal would have gotten child support so that's not enough of a reason. Interesting perspective.

Is Greta actually having questions about Crystal? Or the courts?

If Crystal assisting GR's character assassination of Ron then maybe something good did come from that hour of trash.

[?noanswer]

He could have but he first must get inside the home. With Misty stating that the doors were locked and dead bolted, this is a mystery yet to be explained.

I think they also said it was really hard to get door open even if it was not locked. The opposite could be true. If it was hard to close, maybe someone didn't get it closed all the way, in a hurry and did not notice that the door did not lock all the way. JMO

[PBJMOM4]

Ron came home, climbed into bed with Misty and it was wet. He threw Haleigh to the ground in his anger and accidentally killed her. He then because of his past history with DCF panicked and concocted story with Misty of intruder taking her. He drove to the river and weighed down the body with a concrete block. Drove back home (river is only 300 yards away)and had Misty call 911.

Before or After work?
Also, why is Ron living in the tent?
I thought I read that his mother lived fairly close to his home anyway, wouldn't it make sense to stay with family, or a house rather than a tent?

[Peaches]

Greta wants to know why Ron got custody. Reporter says it's because Ron had a job and Crystal didn't. Greta not buying it saying Crystal would have gotten child support so that's not enough of a reason. Interesting perspective.


Yes.............she is not going to fall for Crystal's excuses for not having her children.

One reason...........too lazy to get out of bed to take Haleigh to at least 10 doctors appointments.............

If she could not get out of bed..........who was talking care of this baby?

Does her bf work............why does she not pay support as the court told her to

I read somewhere she was getting a large settlement from an accident............does anyone know about this?

[emdragon]

Ron came home, climbed into bed with Misty and it was wet. He threw Haleigh to the ground in his anger and accidentally killed her. He then because of his past history with DCF panicked and concocted story with Misty of intruder taking her. He drove to the river and weighed down the body with a concrete block. Drove back home (river is only 300 yards away)and had Misty call 911.

Really? Seriously? Ron did all of that in 27 minutes? And did it well enough to keep LE guessing?

[?noanswer]

Is Greta actually having questions about Crystal? Or the courts?

If Crystal assisting GR's character assassination of Ron then maybe something good did come from that hour of trash.

I got the impression she thought the courts must have a good reason why Crystal did not get custody. JMO

[sunstar]

She said her fiance was brought in because they had understood he was the "FRIEND" that Ron had told he was 75 per cent sure he knew who it was. So her fiance was not brought in as a suspect. Also she said the person Ron said he was 75 per cent sure of was Misty's cousin who has been cleared now.
Back to square one. :sad:

[kkmiausa]

Why didn't LE find her in the river? Dragged 2 or 3 times wasn't it? Why bother to call 911? Why did the people at work lie about seeing him there?

hmmm
He gets off work at 3, 10 minutes from home, gets home by 3:15 It happened when he walked in. My theory. But until we know the truth, it's MOO. You can't change that. He is a very angry person. It was not premeditated and it happened during his raging.

[Spry]

Yes.............she is not going to fall for Crystal's excuses for not having her children.

One reason...........too lazy to get out of bed to take Haleigh to at least 10 doctors appointments.............

If she could not get out of bed..........who was talking care of this baby?

Does her bf work............why does she not pay support as the court told her to

I read somewhere she was getting a large settlement from an accident............does anyone know about this?

My question is what makes a young woman too lazy to get out of bed? My word, how does that happen?

I like it when reporters do not let things go. Some of them ask the harder questions. It will be interesting to see if Greta becomes the next "banned" reporter covering the case.

[Magnum357]

Yes.............she is not going to fall for Crystal's excuses for not having her children.

One reason...........too lazy to get out of bed to take Haleigh to at least 10 doctors appointments.............

If she could not get out of bed..........who was talking care of this baby?

Does her bf work............why does she not pay support as the court told her to

I read somewhere she was getting a large settlement from an accident............does anyone know about this?

I'm glad Greta isn't falling for Crystal's excuses. It seems like she's one of the only ones. I'm sure Ron and his family have plenty to say about Crystal but that's not what they're focusing on.

[sunstar]

I think they also said it was really hard to get door open even if it was not locked. The opposite could be true. If it was hard to close, maybe someone didn't get it closed all the way, in a hurry and did not notice that the door did not lock all the way. JMO

In the beginning didn't Ron say he'd checked the lock before leaving for work? Either way, I think it's very possible Misty went out that door during the evening and it was left unlocked. MOO

[odyssey]

He gets off work at 3, 10 minutes from home, gets home by 3:15 It happened when he walked in. My theory. But until we know the truth, it's MOO. You can't change that. He is a very angry person. It was not premeditated and it happened during his raging.

You are aware the 911 call was made at 3:27? That gives him 12 minutes to feel the wetness get angry kill his daughter and dispose of her in such a way that there is no trace ...

[emdragon]

Yikes, that is chilling. Ron did say they were no concrete blocks around, when, as I have read there were quite a few in the rear yard. I wonder why he would say that.

moo

For about the millionth time. He didn't see them. A reporter confirmed they were not easy to see she had to actually look for them.

And when Ron gave that interview he said he never saw cinder blocks but that there could be some there he was not aware of.

[Spry]

-------------------------------------------

I think thats where the problem is........Misty THOUGHT the door was locked. I seriously dont think Misty or Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Its someone who lives in the same neighborhood. This person had to know the comings and goings of this family and also must have observed Haleigh playing outside and riding her bike. I think its a first time sexual pervert. NO.......i'm not a psychic but its just my gut feeling. JMO

Ron and Misty may not be accountable for anything directly to do with Haleigh's abduction or disappearance, but they are responsible. imo

[kkmiausa]

Why didn't LE find her in the river? Dragged 2 or 3 times wasn't it? Why bother to call 911? Why did the people at work lie about seeing him there?

hmmm

They only dragged the area where the docks were in Seven Sisters part!!! Not the whole river.

[emdragon]

In one of LE's pressors the sheriff said all family members have been polygraphed. Fairly early on. I think the links to pressors are in the links thread.

No what was said early on in the pressers was that all family members had been Offered a polygraph-not that they had all taken one.

[VII]

Responsible for what?? Working, sleeping???

In Child Protective Services ...
there is an identifier called "PRFC" = Person RESPONSIBLE For The Child.
At the time of Haleigh's dissapearance, that would be Misty... PRFC #1
Next in line is Ronald. PRFC #2

Since Mom is now indicating she had knowledge of abuse to Haliegh, she can ALso be included in the mix. PRFC #3

moo

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[TaraCrazyHair]

In the beginning didn't Ron say he'd checked the lock before leaving for work? Either way, I think it's very possible Misty went out that door during the evening and it was left unlocked. MOO


I thought he said they never used that door?

If so, why check the blocks at the door?

[sunstar]

I thought he said they never used that door?

If so, why check the blocks at the door?

I remember he said he used it to take the vacuum cleaner outside? So it was used, but not often is the impression I got. :shrug: MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I remember he said he used it to take the vacuum cleaner outside? So it was used, but not often is the impression I got. :shrug: MOO

Sorry I may have two cases confused, but I thought it was blocked by cinders and high dead bolt that left it virtually impossible for a small child to open from the inside and no outside admittance

[TaraCrazyHair]

Ron seemed calm, cool and collected on those 911 tapes....compared to how awful my mouth would be in this situation.

I may have killed Misty before the cops ever got to my house. This is traumatic people!

He reacted like a normal distressed parent in my book.

IMO, as always.

No normal parent/spouse/BF I ever knew would talk like that on a 911 call

Sorry!

One with anger problems maybe!

Thank goodness not in my lifetime

[VII]

If Ron is such a hothead, why didn't he deck Whorealdo? It wouldn't have been the first time someone tried.:laugh:

because Geraldo is not a female?
"hotheads" only hit their "old lady"
if there is a chance they might get clobbered back or have LE called on them
they shrink

jmo
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[TaraCrazyHair]

If Ron is such a hothead, why didn't he deck Whorealdo? It wouldn't have been the first time someone tried.:laugh:

Caught?

Who knows

I am so on the deck with Ron

Ready to go to bat

But I cannot swing at the first pitch so waiting to see ...

[emdragon]

No normal parent/spouse/BF I ever knew would talk like that on a 911 call

Sorry!

One with anger problems maybe!

Thank goodness not in my lifetime

How many parents/spouses/BF's have you known who came home at 3am to find his 5yr daughter gone?

[Mayasmimi]

I agree that she probably does come from an abusive background, but IMO turning to Ron is just perpetuating the abuse in her life. I can't see him being a loving and nurturing boyfriend/husband by any stretch of the imagination.

And when you do come from an abusive background and are 17 years old, you don't know what options are out there for you. You have grown up believing that you're useless and that life is just going to be difficult for you. IMO no one has ever said to Misty, "You have the future before you. You can be whatever you want to be." the way we do with our children. I don't think Misty is necessarily "doing what she wants"... I think she's stumbling into an abusive relationship and being a slave to a controlling man.

Don't always agree with you, but this time, IMO, you are so correct. Thank you.

[sunstar]

Sorry I may have two cases confused, but I thought it was blocked by cinders and high dead bolt that left it virtually impossible for a small child to open from the inside and no outside admittance

I remember him saying he'd replaced the lock and it was too high for a small child to reach, but I don't remember about the outside admittance part. MOO

[Motomom]

For about the millionth time. He didn't see them. A reporter confirmed they were not easy to see she had to actually look for them.

And when Ron gave that interview he said he never saw cinder blocks but that there could be some there he was not aware of.

People only hear what they want to hear, to support their opinion sometimes. That's exactly what he said.. didn't say there weren't any, just that he hadn't really seen any but they could be there.. SO much misinformation is out there because of the media..imo

[Motomom]

Ron and Misty may not be accountable for anything directly to do with Haleigh's abduction or disappearance, but they are responsible. imo

How?? If they have nothing to do directly with her abduction..how are they responsible?? For working?? For sleeping??

[TaraCrazyHair]

How many parents/spouses/BF's have you known who came home at 3am to find his 5yr daughter gone?

Would not matter ... they would not talk like that

Would you?

Seriously?

And would you sit meekly in the background and take it?

Not me!

I try to take it as some low class upbringing and excuse it but i cannot

To act like that in a moment of tragedy ... speaks volumes

Just do not get it

(shaking head)

[Motomom]

Responsible for what?? Working, sleeping???

LOL doneit we're reading each others minds.. I posted the same thing before seeing your post..

[TaraCrazyHair]

I remember him saying he'd replaced the lock and it was too high for a small child to reach, but I don't remember about the outside admittance part. MOO


The prior people in the house said they placed a deadbolt .. not Ron

That I remember

But i swear Ron stated something about the blocks

[Mayasmimi]

I think we will all be in the dark concerning Ron's work and his whereabouts the night Haleigh went missing. For instance, RC works 12 hour shifts, is he working side by side with other workers for entire 12 hours? Is it possible to slip out for a half an hour? Is it possible someone else clocked his timecard out? Does the company note when someone leaves on their break? A lot of questions in my mind pertaining to RC's employment and how much wiggle room there was. I think we've all read cases where the person says they were at work and then come to find out they *slipped* out for a while. I'm not saying he did anything, I'm just wondering about a big time frame, 12 hours worth and if he was accounted for, for all 12 hours. jmo.

IIRC....Ron works a 30ish minute drive from home. Anyone?

[sunstar]

The prior people in the house said they placed a deadbolt .. not Ron

That I remember

But i swear Ron stated something about the blocks

You might be right about the blocks and I just didn't hear that part. It's also late and my brain is tired! :smile:

[Lorakai]

ok,.. I'm gonna throw what I think happened to HC as of right now anyway this theory could change of course, for now this is all just pure speculation, and none of which is supported by fact. This is just a theory...

RC came home from work to find MC passed out, the kitchen light on dishes in the sink, back door wide open. This would explain why MC does not know where they were sleeping, what HC was wearing, what she got up for, or what time she actually awoke and why the pink shirt was the last thing she remembered HC wearing. HC prob got herself ready for bed and MC last saw her earlier in the day.

Anyway, RC comes home, get's mad and wakes MC, starting a fight with her. Yelling ensues, jr. stays put on the bed but HC runs out of the house at some point through the backdoor that was already open.

HC is scared and running on adrenaline? maybe runs looking for help but at 3:00am, the streets are dark and desolate, but facing whats back at home is scarrier? Maybe she thinks she can find her mothers house? This could possibly explain the K9 track which takes a loop and last lands at the railroad crossing? It's unknown in my mind what could have happened there next.

RC and MC did not realize that HC had run out of the house until it was too late. Why not just say then that you had a fight and your daughter who has now run out of the house? Because, theoretically you know if someone else finds her and delivers her to the police station, next they will be knocking at your door, there will be an official report.

So you call 911 to give the neglect validation. You hang up on them twice, and give refuse to give them information about your child, or the conditions of your home. DCF would get involved and your whole life would be turned upside down. You've lost her before, if you lose her again you lose your children, and child support money. CS would win, and you would lose everything, so you say someone took her and create a story that makes you and your gf look innocent, appropriate sleeping arrangements, times the kids go to bed etc.

Don't be affraid to tell me I'm way out there on this one ;)

:wub: Lorakai

[Mayasmimi]

Sorry I may have two cases confused, but I thought it was blocked by cinders and high dead bolt that left it virtually impossible for a small child to open from the inside and no outside admittance


Hey Tara. Haven't read forward. Surely someone has answered. What you wrote is exactly what I recall. Cinder block in the door....deadbolt lock too high for the children to reach without assistance (chair).

[Ice Cycle]

How many parents/spouses/BF's have you known who came home at 3am to find his 5yr daughter gone?

Extreme upset and extreme panic and maybe even anger is what most would be, just obvious that his choice of words were his habit words in a intense situation. Class- funny I was thinking the opposite, maybe
concern.

Ice

[Motomom]

No normal parent/spouse/BF I ever knew would talk like that on a 911 call

Sorry!

One with anger problems maybe!

Thank goodness not in my lifetime

I am so glad you live in a perfect world, where nobody panics.. and more importantly where nobody curses..


I guess we need a book published on exactly how to behave when your child goes missing.. We have the A's.. who acted completely opposite of what we see here.. and we have Ron and HIS family.. completely opposite.. then there is Crystal..who can do nothing but throw out hearsay.. bash ron, with her mother in toe.. or is it tow..

Why is Sooo much emphasis being put on Ron for freaking out because his daughter is missing..?? Don't forget, people who do that dreaded, God awful cursing.. tend to do it whether they are happy or sad.. or angry.. it's true IMO of course :closedeyes:

The same people that claim Ron's the devil, don't follow suit with the mother who didn't have custody of her own children.. yet we have a single father who fought for custody..and now it's his fault somehow that somebody kidnapped his child. I just don't understand.. and then again.. we have people calling Misty a CHILD.. and at the same time.. if she's connected in some way to Haleighs disappearance, she is somehow NOT a child??

It's a frustrating case. I hope they find Haleigh and I hope she's alive. I think she is and I'm holding out hope.. drug charges from 4 plus years ago..he said she said from Haleighs mother..ron smoking, and cursing.. none of that NONE of that means that he doesn't love that little girl, want her back and he certainly doesn't deserve what is being dished out about him.. YET..

[Mayasmimi]

because Geraldo is not a female?
"hotheads" only hit their "old lady"
if there is a chance they might get clobbered back or have LE called on them
they shrink

jmo
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Absolutely. Too many cameras, witnesses. Maybe sedatives too.

[VII]

Ron is responsible as a custoidal parent for the care, well being and saftey of his children. Leaving them with a barely turned 17 yr old to care for, especially during those hours is careless and nonchalant. One of the judge's decision in awarding custody to Ron, was that he and the children live with his mom. Living in the trailor with the minor, was a clear violation of the court order. That's being irresponsible and he put his kids at risk.

moo


:beer:
ITA ...
tried to say that earlier

[VII]

Lorakai

I'd say your theory has some teeth ...
That would explain the "childs footprint" on the path near the woods behind the house.
Only thing I was hanging up on with her being behind the house at that hour was that it was dark and they keep saying she is afraid of the dark.

However, if she were in fear of what was going on in the house....
it would make sense.

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[Motomom]

When the sheriff told CNN & Fox News LIVE; '....keep in mind........this is what they've told us. We don't know for certain...'

He was talking about the timeline and the story from dad & g/f. shrug

14 days adalena, you have pasted that same line.. and I cringe every time I read it LOL.. Nothing personal :smile: There is so much more than that one line.. we all know with any crime..we need to keep in mind the original story is what LE is told.. One thing though, if these stories that misty is telling and ron and everyone else..why hasn't more been found out yet? I know they aren't telling us, but we see no arrests and heck..after what DAY ONE (sorry had to) they knew jsut about everything casey said was a lie..

[Mayasmimi]

Early in the case dad told Greta he works from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. He said he got home at 3:27a.m. and the 911 call is logged @3:27a.m.

More alarming to me than his vulgar language is how did he know what happened to his daughter, that 1 male criminal took her, by breaking & entering, using a crowbar. He couldn't possibly have known she didn't wander. He said he did a quick look around the house but it had to have been warp-speed because from the time the 911 call is logged you can hear him talking to g/f. He was standing right by her.

He knew too many details if he's in the dark about what happened as he claims.

Sheriff said there's no signs of breakin anywhere. dad said there was after having said there wasn't on the 911 call.


Hey. I've read everything you stated. I am on the fence. Too many questions....still. Odd that birth mom now says that Jr. said a man dressed in all black took his Sissy. Just now? Really? No.

[Lorakai]

Lorakai

I'd say your theory has some teeth ...
That would explain the "childs footprint" on the path near the woods behind the house.
Only thing I was hanging up on with her being behind the house at that hour was that it was dark and they keep saying she is afraid of the dark.

However, if she were in fear of what was going on in the house....
it would make sense.

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It might also, now that I think of it,... it was ONLY her footprint? or maybe LE is withholding that there was another footprint? Who knows,.. it's a real guessing game right now. I just hope they find her... does anyone know if the railroad is operational?

:wub: Lorakai

[Mayasmimi]

Of course you are right .
just because somebody * curses * doesnt mean they are bad parents any more than if they go to church makes them a good parent .
so many hollier than thou folks on this board .


That....is actually a good point. Really!!!

I kinda did both with my kids.....guess you can bet where I'll spend eternity. Gotta turn this around. Yikes.

[4Kids]

Ron has class???He actss and speaks like a boyz from the hood. gangsta wannabe.

moo

Class must mean different things to different folks. I know pleny or boyz from the hood that have more true "class" than many of the most educated, debonair boyz from the street (wall street type) will ever have. I know boyz from the hood who adore their children, love their mothers and would die for their country. I am married to one. He is not from the hood anymore. You, and many other posters here would not like him. He curses, smokes, doesn't smile much, was reared by alcoholic abusers and spent time in the clink in his late teens.:w00t:

He is one of the most wonderful people I know. He worked his way to the middle class, loves his children and is loyal to fault. Perhaps Ron is too. I sure would like to reserve judgement on Ron now, unless we find he had something to do with this crime. I would hate to have to apologize for assisting in destroying a persons reputation simply because he was unlucky enough to have his daughter taken from her bed. MOO

Peace

MOO

[Motomom]

Ron is responsible as a custoidal parent for the care, well being and saftey of his children. Leaving them with a barely turned 17 yr old to care for, especially during those hours is careless and nonchalant. One of the judge's decision in awarding custody to Ron, was that he and the children live with his mom. Living in the trailor with the minor, was a clear violation of the court order. That's being irresponsible and he put his kids at risk.

moo

uggg here we go again... She was old enough to watch children.. Most sitters are younger than that.. nothing wrong with leaving 2 children in the care of a 17 yr old.. try and find a sitter over the age of 18.. good luck with that. I have 3 young kids..trust me it isn't easy..I'd go out on a limb and say you were lucky to get a sitter that old. So you think the judge gives ron the kids and he is never allowed to move out?? LMAO.. Crystal is an admitted drug abuser.. are we forgetting that.. in her lovely tale of abuse, she was mad and basically throwing a tantrum because she had just found out she was pregnant and couldn't do coke anymore..That's what she said.. ok well i added the tantrum, but IMO that's exactly what it boiled down to. So she had to kind of admit to her own wrong doing, in order to bash ron some more.. He didn't put his daughter at risk at this point, by having a 17 yr old watch her.. not at all..IMO

[Motomom]

Hey. I've read everything you stated. I am on the fence. Too many questions....still. Odd that birth mom now says that Jr. said a man dressed in all black took his Sissy. Just now? Really? No.

Crystal kind of reminds me of LP.. every day it's new stuff. A friend told her this, a cousin told her that, Jr told her a man in black took is sister.. she's a big time liar IMO.. I doubt she knows the truth about anything.. IMO.. I tried to refrain from passing the same judgement on her that is being passed on Ron but I can't help it any longer. ALL jmo

[tinkerbell]

Im a 911 operator for over 23 years. People do not like answering any questions. No matter how many times you tell them PD is on the way, and you need to ask they just get so angry..You get use to people yelling at you ALL the time. You suck and go on and take the next call.

Thank you for providing your professional perspective; it sheds light for me, having had no personal experience as a 911 operator.

[emdragon]

Would not matter ... they would not talk like that

Would you?

Seriously?

And would you sit meekly in the background and take it?

Not me!

I try to take it as some low class upbringing and excuse it but i cannot

To act like that in a moment of tragedy ... speaks volumes

Just do not get it

(shaking head)

Nice to know your perfect and that anyone who acts in a way unlike you is low class.

Your post to me was unbelievable insulting.

Seriously I feel sorry for you because it is a sure bet that someone in you life is going to let you down because they can't live up to your righteousness.

I am actually the kind of person who is very calm in an emergency- I know what has to be done and I do it. I may fall apart later, and who knows what I would say in any given situation, but I know my friends and family wouldn't judge me or think less of me if I let the F word fly if my child was missing..

people in extreme situations and in great pain often lash out at the person closest to them.

[Mayasmimi]

Crystal kind of reminds me of LP.. every day it's new stuff. A friend told her this, a cousin told her that, Jr told her a man in black took is sister.. she's a big time liar IMO.. I doubt she knows the truth about anything.. IMO.. I tried to refrain from passing the same judgement on her that is being passed on Ron but I can't help it any longer. ALL jmo

LP? Sorry. Have not a clue.

Oh....maybe your are speaking of Laci...and SP is who you are referring to. No? Every day was an entire new world for that POS!

[emdragon]

The prior people in the house said they placed a deadbolt .. not Ron

That I remember

But i swear Ron stated something about the blocks

Wrong- the former tenant told Nancy Grace that he but a slide lock on the door, where his son couldn't reach it.

Ron is the one who said he put a deadbolt on the door.

[tinkerbell]

A link was posted earlier today that I found to be very informative; would it be out of order for me to post it now for those who may have missed it earlier?

[Motomom]

I agree, she was old enough to watch/babysit kids. But was she old enough or mature enough to jump into instant mommy? Let's not forget, she wasn't going to go home once Ron got home. She was living there, taking care of the kids, the housecleaning, Ron and any demands he may or may not have had with her. Misty wasn't a babysitter, Misty was being a step-mom with all the responsibilities that go along with it and that's an awful lot of responsibility to throw onto a 16/17 year old, imo.

Whether she was or wasn't mature enough to jump into mommy at this stage is up for debate I suppose. I don't think so..but I don't really know her. She's been around kids early on, babysat early on. You have to keep in mind that not everyone is so uptight in this world. We have posters here saying Ron was irresponsible for Misty watching the kids and you know what, call it what you want.. in the end, she was the one watching the kids. Whether she did it every day or not, doesn't matter to me. She was old enough to watch though children and that does not make him responsible for his daughter being stolen. And lets not make it out like Ron snatched misty up..she chose to be with Ron.. she wanted to be with Ron apparently. She knew he had the kids, and yet she chose to be there. Misty said she loved those kids and CRystal said, those kids loved misty..so.. IDK

[Mayasmimi]

I tried saying that earlier when I posted my sister in law is a dispatcher. Guess some didn't want to hear it.

I've always thought dispatcher to be a thankless (and likely way underpaid) job. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.

My daughter had a good friend who's Mom was a dispatcher. She was a wonderful woman...and is no longer with us. Too young. Anyhoo....not that it's ethical, but she provided us with lots of local crime info. On the down low for sure.

[Motomom]

As I stated a couple days ago on this forum....LE has finally taken the right man in for re questioning.

He was picked up in an unmarked police car today.

I posted I had 'a feeling' this is the perp...Wish I knew how to search for the day I posted it... <sigh>

We'll see. Soon I think.

P.S. It's Haleigh's soon to be step-dad. IMHO

OH Kathy.. you know when I saw the first interview iwth him, I didn't even watch it all and he gave me the heebie jeebies.. no clue why though.

[bluwaters]

Lorakai

I'd say your theory has some teeth ...
That would explain the "childs footprint" on the path near the woods behind the house.
Only thing I was hanging up on with her being behind the house at that hour was that it was dark and they keep saying she is afraid of the dark.

However, if she were in fear of what was going on in the house....
it would make sense.

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Maybe someone yelled at her for wetting the bed?

There was a full moon that night.
I don't know if the skies were clear there, but it was clear here in NW FL. I remember because DS2 doesn't sleep well and the moon light pours in around his curtains. I was worried that he wouldn't get a good night's sleep and told DH we need some black out shades for his room.
All of which means nothing, but I remember that night.
It was bright where I live.

[Myst]

One thing I've been listening for since this whole thing started, is the media to interview Misty's brother, who she said was there that evening. Surely LE has interviewed him as to whether or not he saw Haleigh? I just haven't seen *him* get up in front of the camera and say, 'yeah I saw her, she was right there playing with my kids.'

Just seems odd to me that I haven't seen or heard anything out of him yet. Has anyone else heard of him being interviewed by the media?

[Motomom]

LP? Sorry. Have not a clue.

Oh....maybe your are speaking of Laci...and SP is who you are referring to. No? Every day was an entire new world for that POS!

I'm sorry Maya.. Lenny padilla who injected himself into the Anthony case and this one too. He'd go on ng every night with new tidbits of information.. and we were always wondering why didn't he say that..tell LE whatever.. anyways..sorry to confuse..

[Mayasmimi]

As I stated a couple days ago on this forum....LE has finally taken the right man in for re questioning.

He was picked up in an unmarked police car today.

I posted I had 'a feeling' this is the perp...Wish I knew how to search for the day I posted it... <sigh>

We'll see. Soon I think.

P.S. It's Haleigh's soon to be step-dad. IMHO

I know. When I heard about this earlier, and that birth mom said it was a big mistake? Maybe, maybe not. Thing is birth Mom and her boyfriend don't exactly live in the neighborhood. IIRC.....no less than 1.5 hours away. No?

[Motomom]

I'm replying to what others say. This is not the Casey murder case. If it doesn't please you what LE officials in this case are saying there's nothing I can do about that.

You have the SOURCE. CNN & Fox News agencies have email and so does the FBI and the Sheriff's Dept. who have said those things. Why not take your grievance to them? Don't shoot the messenger.

LE in this case have said it's never safe to say family members aren't suspects. I try to pay attention to what they're cautioning the public in this case. That's just the way I try to approach it.

my bolding paraphrase found at this link.

http://foxnews.proteus.com/content.html?contentId=25158&currentPage=0


Adalena... nevermind.. I didn't ask you for a source now did I?? I know where you got it from. You misunderstood my post.. apologies.. I'll refrain next time :)

[Mayasmimi]

I'm sorry Maya.. Lenny padilla who injected himself into the Anthony case and this one too. He'd go on ng every night with new tidbits of information.. and we were always wondering why didn't he say that..tell LE whatever.. anyways..sorry to confuse..


Please don't apologize. I should have known that. My bad. Lenny? Odd. Everything about babies missing in Florida is off.

[4Kids]

I know JUST what you mean!
It may have been the appearance of overreaction??
Something....

Is this interview online? I have heard about it, but never got to see it with my own peepers. TIA

[Motomom]

One thing I've been listening for since this whole thing started, is the media to interview Misty's brother, who she said was there that evening. Surely LE has interviewed him as to whether or not he saw Haleigh? I just haven't seen *him* get up in front of the camera and say, 'yeah I saw her, she was right there playing with my kids.'

Just seems odd to me that I haven't seen or heard anything out of him yet. Has anyone else heard of him being interviewed by the media?

I haven't either..I don't blame any of them for not getting in front of the media though. Look at what Geraldo just did.