Monday 2/23 Thread for Haleigh

[Mimi428]

Ron withdrew his not guilty plea and plead NoLo. Tht means no contest. The defendant neither pleads non denies the charges and ususally agrees to some sort of punishment. His sentence was adjudication of guilt withheld, Court costs of $370.00 and ADI-Level 11.

ADI means Advanced Driver Improvement. It is a required course for reinstatement of drivers lic. Commoning referred to as drivers school.

This looks to be the punishment for whatever his driving violation involved.




<snipped>

Thanks! I appreciate the clarification.

Interesting that they start off with so many drug charges, but end up with being primarily concerned with traffic offenses. Hard to know what the general goal in each county in each state is when it comes to stuff like that. In the county where I live (in TX, not FL) he would have been UNDER the jail.

Makes you wonder if he was just in bad company & none of it was ever attributed to him, or what.

JMO

[Motomom]

It is interesting about the insurance policy. I'm curious to know for how much and when the policy was initiated..I'm sure LE now knows all about the policy or I would think they do...can't rule anything out at this point.

Maybe it's one of those gerber life insurances. If not, it's highly suspicious..shes young and I can't imagine the thought of God forbid funeral expenses being on her mind kwim? I never even got the Gerber policies for my kids.. it bothered me.

[Rileyj26]

Why does the 17 year old age bother me? Because if I remember correctly and I could be wrong her DOB was indicating they met prior to her being 17...meaning she was 16 when they met. Again the lack of concern for what is approriate.

[caphill]

The fact that Misty waited to call 911 isn't all that important to me. But when she did call 911, it was interesting to note many things, one of which stands out to me in an odd way.

Transcript of 911 call <snip>
Ronald Cummings: “where is my f’ing phone…we’ve got better people to talk to then some mother f’ers who ain’t coming.” http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/notes/1/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Transcript

Who is the "better people" RC is referring to? It will be interesting to note cell phone records both before and after the 911 call.


His mother.

[Britney]

Will Ron still hav to pay the rent while LE is holding the trailer?

I doubt if Ron will be paying any more rent. His mom said he would never live there again.

[Staceylee]

1. Smoking in the state of Florida under the age of 18 yrs is illegal. The girlfriend is captured on film smoking, smoking, smoking. What reason do the police allow for this?

2. I lived in Panama before, during and after the invasion. After the invasion there were alot of break-ins. A man broke into my two story four bedroom home and ransacked it. He entered my bedroom and while I was sleeping, removed my wedding rings from my hand!

I had four little kids in the house and my hubby and I were light sleepers (we thought) due to listening for one of the kids in the night.

Neither one of us woke up! It was very disturbing then and even now I struggle with the thought that a robber handled my arms hand and fingers and we didn't even move a muscle.




If that happened to me, then it is possible that it could have happened to the babysitter.



That is terrible what you went threw and it is scarey to think that something like that could happen. But it may have been a blessing that you did not wake up or you all could have been hurt or much worse.

As far as Misty smoking, I think the police have bigger fish to fry.

This is not the time to tell Misty she cannot smoke and anyway a few more months and she will be 18 and can do as she pleases.
I think they are focused on finding Haleigh and Misty smoking is not a priority and at her age it should'nt be.

[Britney]

The funeral home director was on camera last week asking for donations for ron. He gave an address. I thought that was so eerie. I got goosebumps. also, What happened to the mobile home given to Ron to use during this time? F ox , shephard smith just stated he was living in a tent. Fox needs to catch up. also, "My child and I have an agreement bla bla is blatantly prepostrerous. Who can Believe such an agreement. I believe Ron is innocent . I do feel that the abductor is connected to either of them. I am sure Le have inteviewed all the people who showed up at the trailer home just prior to Haleigh's going missing. imo Misty is lying . Ron does not want to incriminate himself with the law. (not Haleigh). I think this child was neglected. that is my opinion. Wish grandma (paternal) had had custody.

I agree - the funeral home guy was just totally freaky. Shep is behind on his information concerning Haleigh. (First time I have ever known him not to be out front on everything!) The camper arrived Friday. Also, Shep obviously did not know the cousin in TN had been cleared.

[Mimi428]

Why does the 17 year old age bother me? Because if I remember correctly and I could be wrong her DOB was indicating they met prior to her being 17...meaning she was 16 when they met. Again the lack of concern for what is approriate.


IIRC, she moved in with Ron in November (when she was 16) & she turned 17 sometime in December.

I will say it is JMO because I am not in a position at the moment to go find a link for it.

[frances1]

Maybe it's one of those gerber life insurances. If not, it's highly suspicious..shes young and I can't imagine the thought of God forbid funeral expenses being on her mind kwim? I never even got the Gerber policies for my kids.. it bothered me.

If Ron is offered life insurance as part of a benefits package, he may have taken additional policies out on his children. They would be pretty inexpensive, IMO.

[Motomom]

I totally agree with you on the time and calling 911, I know a few times my kiddos have hidden well from me. I remember my daughter who was 4 at the time hiding behind a curtian. I came out of the restroom called her, looked up and down for her, checked the locks, looked EVERY where I could think of , I didn't even think about calling 911 and it was a good 10minutes I was in a complete panic looking for her.

This is o/t but on a train to fl, in the middle of the night my daughter was gone from her seat, where she'd been sleepin. I looked up and down the car we were in, went down to the smoking section, was just starting to flip out when I found her sweaty body stuck to some strange MAN who was snoring away, and she was on top of his back snoring away.. OMG.. she had NO idea, and had gotten up and wondered down to this guys seat, thinking she was laying on her father I guess LOL.. NO harm.. and little chance of someone escaping the moving train..still danger there though.. So on to Haleigh, the middle of night, waking and finding her out of bed.. I'd search. I'd like to know where Misty searched. I imagine I would panic a bit more at 3 AM and a door wide open. I also can imagine thinking that maybe Ron had come home or someone had picked her up.. ONLY because it would be unimaginable to me that someone would come in and steal her kwim?

[Themis]

Maybe the community can take up a donation ..because it isn't fair to the landlord especially if he has a mortgage on it.
Riley, with regard to the community taking up a collection:
The funeral home set up an account to 'help the family' with the local Bank of America. Don't know how much has been donated to it.

This is the same funeral home who donated the tent. The funeral home printed up the buttons and had T-shirts made which are available for a donation. The local fire department donated the heaters for the tent until that nice woman hauled down her travel trailer for Ron Cummings to use when the tent leaked. Don't know where the large flat screen TV in the tent came from. Many people have donated liquids and food. There was recently an article that reported a group of school bus drivers had collected some stuff, including money, and it was being delivered. One of the relatives (I forget which one) is a school bus driver.

I expect Cummings to say he doesn't own the landlord rent for his mobile home because it was LE who prevented him from returning to it. On the other hand RC's mother, Teresa Neves, has stated that he will never..never return to that mobile home. Looks to me that LE will have to pay any lost rent to the landlord if they choose to do so.

Sadly, this case is almost two weeks old. Everyone needs to think about returning to their jobs, including Ron. Jobs these days are just too hard to come by and most employers are operating with the fewest employees they can.

Everyone has access to a phone; most have cell phones. LE can call them if the need arises.

At this date forget about Haleigh wandering back home. Forget some drug dealer or pedophile returning to the scene of the crime to drop her off. Ain't going to happen.:sad:
[JMO]

[Motomom]

A little more than half an ounce. Don't ask me how I know. :laugh:

Ohh.. so personal use..gotcha not indicative of a drug dealer huh..

[caphill]

I wonder if this is the same "cousin" who told her Ron was high when he had his accident. (even though he passed a drug test)


Wonder if this the person who told her that Misty was not at home when the abduction happened. Wonder if this is the person who claims there were drugs in the trailer home.

I heard Crystal and her mother both said they had never been in the trailer. I also heard them give Geraldo a run down of all the different drugs Ron was taking. Crystal's mother was helping her with her list of known drugs Ron used. Since they lived miles away and drove into town just long enough to pick up and deliver back the children, I question how they knew anything about his lifestyle.

If the mother and grandmother had information that Ron was abusing his children and doing hard drugs why didn't they file an emergency order to take those kids out of that kind of dangerous situation. I think the answer is very transparent.

[Britney]

I understand that Ron was due to go to court for "contempt of court" charges. What were these charges related to?

[emdragon]

Wonder if this the person who told her that Misty was not at home when the abduction happened. Wonder if this is the person who claims there were drugs in the trailer home.

I heard Crystal and her mother both said they had never been in the trailer. I also heard them give Geraldo a run down of all the different drugs Ron was taking. Crystal's mother was helping her with her list of known drugs Ron used. Since they lived miles away and drove into town just long enough to pick up and deliver back the children, I question how they knew anything about his lifestyle.

If the mother and grandmother had information that Ron was abusing his children and doing hard drugs why didn't they file an emergency order to take those kids out of that kind of dangerous situation. I think the answer is very transparent.

Crystal is always saying "So and so said Ron did this or Ron did that" "My cousin saw Ron use drugs, hit Haleigh yadda yadda" Not once has she said Haleigh says daddy beats me or Daddy has scary friends.

(she did say Haleigh said she got hit "spanked" but Crystal had no problem with that)

[crymeariver2006]

The message boards are plenty, the link I posted with the insurance policies shows a message board, just scroll down and view all the posts bashing everyone involved, most especially Ron & Misty.

I also have a problem with Crystal's statement on GR show regarding the physical abuse allegations of not only Haleigh, but himself. "My cousin Candace told me when we got down here for this incident, that um (long pause) he come to her house it was ronald, haleigh, jr. and misty and hailey bumped into him or smarted off to him and she said he just back handed her and she fell flat on her face on the porch."

Why would the cousin wait to tell Crystal about such an abusive situation, regarding her daughter? Why did the cousin not call 911 immediately after witnessing Ron do that?

jmo

We don't know that the cousin didn't report the incident to authorities (either LE or DCF).

We do know that DCF has had "dealings" with Ron, Misty, and the children. If they are including Misty in the "dealings", that would cover the date of the incident (Nov. '08).

What would you do? Call 911 right then or wait until Ron wasn't standing right there?

[5boxersmom]

So sad another day and still this child is not found. :sad:

[caphill]

If Ron is offered life insurance as part of a benefits package, he may have taken additional policies out on his children. They would be pretty inexpensive, IMO.


It is not Ron that has been reported to have a life policy on the chidlren. It is Crystal the bio mom. I don't know if it is a paid up policy or whether she continues to make payments.

It is being reported that Crystal is in contempt of court for child support payments due to Ron. I have not heard where she is working. I believe she lives with her boyfriend and her new daughter. I have read her new boyfriend is the son of her stepfather. Maybe the two families share the same home?

[crymeariver2006]

I have so many questions, and not nearly enough answers!!

First I am confused. Cousin Joe is supposed to be a SO -right? Is he a "convicted" SO or is this just a claim coming from Misty? Because IF he is convicted SO he should never have been in that home around Haleigh to begin with-right? But according to this article-LE has interviewed him and said that he is not involved.

Saturday afternoon, Dick Schauland, of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said that cousin has been interviewed in Tennessee. Schauland said the cousin is not a suspect or person of interest in the case.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

According to Misty, "messing" with her when they were both children (or young teens) qualifies him as a pedophile.

He was never charged with anything.

He is two years older than Misty.

[Lorakai]

I have so many questions, and not nearly enough answers!!

First I am confused. Cousin Joe is supposed to be a SO -right? Is he a "convicted" SO or is this just a claim coming from Misty? Because IF he is convicted SO he should never have been in that home around Haleigh to begin with-right? But according to this article-LE has interviewed him and said that he is not involved.

Saturday afternoon, Dick Schauland, of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said that cousin has been interviewed in Tennessee. Schauland said the cousin is not a suspect or person of interest in the case.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


On 02/21/09 only a couple of days ago The Today Show interviews Dick Shawlan(sp?) of LE who states the investigation is moving forward but they are not satisfied yet. He says they are looking at the info that has been given to them since the beginning. He says they questioned the cousin, they are not releasing the results of that interview. Nothing has been ruled out.

You can view the Today Show LE statement at youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM)

IMO: This sounds to me like the mysterious cousin has not been ruled out just yet. Until you hear from LE's mouth that something has been ruled out, then it is still part of the investigation. I'm not saying I think the cousin has anything to do with it, but I won't count him out until LE says he's out.

[crymeariver2006]

IIRC, she moved in with Ron in November (when she was 16) & she turned 17 sometime in December.

I will say it is JMO because I am not in a position at the moment to go find a link for it.

I believe they moved into the house in November. Is it known whether they were "living together" before then?

[Regina.Lampert]

I have so many questions, and not nearly enough answers!!

First I am confused. Cousin Joe is supposed to be a SO -right? Is he a "convicted" SO or is this just a claim coming from Misty? Because IF he is convicted SO he should never have been in that home around Haleigh to begin with-right? But according to this article-LE has interviewed him and said that he is not involved.

Saturday afternoon, Dick Schauland, of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said that cousin has been interviewed in Tennessee. Schauland said the cousin is not a suspect or person of interest in the case.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


Thank you for posting that link Truth. So, to recap, we have LE clearing the AC man and now cousin Joe, but after 14 days and several lengthy interviews have not been able to clear misty or ron.

I wonder why?

[caphill]

We don't know that the cousin didn't report the incident to authorities (either LE or DCF).

We do know that DCF has had "dealings" with Ron, Misty, and the children. If they are including Misty in the "dealings", that would cover the date of the incident (Nov. '08).

What would you do? Call 911 right then or wait until Ron wasn't standing right there?


How do "we"" know that Ron and Misty and chilodren had "dealings" with DCF? I have no kinowledge of that. Do you have a link of these "dealings".

In the custody hearings Ron agreed to take a parenting course and later presented the court with a cert of completion. This may have been something offered by DCF.

Please share your info of the other "dealings" he had with DCF.

[crymeariver2006]

His mother.

Yes, and she was the one who provided LE with the school picture of Haleigh.

According to the police report.

[crymeariver2006]

How do "we"" know that Ron and Misty and chilodren had "dealings" with DCF? I have no kinowledge of that. Do you have a link of these "dealings".

In the custody hearings Ron agreed to take a parenting course and later presented the court with a cert of completion. This may have been something offered by DCF.

Please share your info of the other "dealings" he had with DCF.

Please. There are links aplenty with even LE confirming DCF investigations concerning them.

I don't pull stuff outta thin air to post.

Apparently Ron even confirms that they told him how to spank his child.

[Speedy30]

Please. There are links aplenty with even LE confirming DCF investigations concerning them.

I don't pull stuff outta thin air to post.

Apparently Ron even confirms that they told him how to spank his child.


Right.

So there had to have been an issue where he was shown the "proper" way to hit his child, thats lovely.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

You appear to be in total misunderstanding of what bothers me about the situation.

Sitting down & discussing the problems you perceive in your child's behavior (no matter how young) does not worry me in the slightest.

Taking great care to explain that the way you hit your child conforms to the DCF rules for discipline - and stating that you (an adult) have an agreement with a little child (age 5) whereas you are "daddy" and she is "daughter" does not strike me as being remotely similar to what your sister's methods of discipline were.

IOW, Ron seems to be promoting the idea that he & Haleigh had an agreement about him spanking her. That, IMO, is preposterous. I can hardly imagine his child saying, "dad, I am not in agreement with you" in that situation. Can you?

What sort of spankings do you think a person arrested & convicted for fighting in a public place would give? What sort of spankings do you imagine the man we heard on the 911 phone calls would give? What do you think he would do should the spankee say, "gee, I want to alter the AGREEMENT we have about you spanking me"?

JMO

Gee Mimi, when you put it that way...... :wink:

Seriously, I didn't know that DCF ever advocated spanking as a form of punishment/discipline.

However, the fact that he admits being instructed how to spank.... I mean, what did they use to practice on?

[MidnightBlu]

I am trying to play "catch up" right now so I don't know if this has already been posted...there are reports saying that Junior thought he saw someone dressed in black come in to the trailor.

[VC2]

Putnam sheriff suspends daily news briefings on Haleigh Cummings
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-search-022309,0,4008121.story

Hi all.
I just got in from work and was hoping for good news about Haleigh.
Everyday looks grimmer and grimmer. :sad:

Where could she be?

dead. probably thanks to a predator

[caphill]

Yes, and she was the one who provided LE with the school picture of Haleigh.

According to the police report.

I have seen more pics of Haleigh being published in the last few days. I have noticed that every pic I have seen of this little smiling girl she appears to be clean, nicely dressed and her hair brushed and care for.

Her great grand mother said every day she went to school and her hair looked like she came out of the hair salon. She was crediting Misty for taking good care of the kids.

I am not defending or comdeming anyone. I have noted that Ron seems to have been doing everything within his means to take care of his children. This is commendable IMO for a single father to show such effort to bring up his children.

He has gone to parenting classes, found work to put a roof over their heads and food on the plate. You see the pictures of him taking her to the bus for first day of school. He has stepped up to take responsiblity for his kids. Whether he is a perfect parent or a man with or without faults, I do not know. I have seen no evidence that he deserves the brutual bashing he gets on these message boards and now by Geraldo and the FOX media.

[Britney]

Does anyone think NG or the other shows will be covering Haleigh tonight?

I'm thinking they will probably move on the 11-year old Jordan Brown in PA.

[VC2]

If Misty knows something and I think she does, then if she has broken - then I think there would have been an arrest by now.

Ok, new twist - I had no idea about a life insurance policy. In fact, it had never even crossed my mind before. That bothers me!

My mind just shifted from Misty to Crystal and her is why -

1) I do think Misty could have been drunk or ??? and that is why she did not hear anything.

2) Crystal would know Ron's hours, the sleeping arrangements, etc.

3) Crystal's state of mind - If I can't have my kids - Ron won't either.

4) IF Misty is innocent, her waking up may have saved JR from being taken also.

5) I find it very odd that Crystal would have life insurance on her children.

6) Crystal seems very detached

I never had respect for Crystal, but now my mind is spinning and maybe in a different direction - to-wards Crystal doing something to little Haleigh.

The above is not in the correct order and is MOO.

crystal also has court ordered child support she has to pay Ron. Someone said the other day there is a proceeding for back support payments that she didnt make too.

the insurance wouldn't bother me in many cases, but crystal is so detached from her kids, clearly not very educated (not a slam just a fact) that she is one of the last ppl i can imagine thinking of life insurance for the kids without some reason.. i mean that i cant see it being natural for her. Then again if she had an aggressive insurance broker for her car who convinced her to take it...but again..

i dont think it is her or ron, but it makes more emotional sense to me if it was crystal out of the two.

[bluwaters]

YVW, Regina.Lampert. It just blows my mind. I don't understand why they don't either clear them or arrest them. I wish one of them would just tell the truth-for Haleigh's sake. :(

I think that LE wants Haleigh before anyone is arrested. The moment there is an arrest, all communication with LE stops. That's when the defense lawyers come in and advise their clients to remain silent.
LE wants everyone talking until they have Haleigh.
Haleigh is their priority.

I wonder where Haleigh is?

[MidnightBlu]

Does anyone think NG or the other shows will be covering Haleigh tonight?

I'm thinking they will probably move on the 11-year old Jordan Brown in PA.


Maybe she will do half an hour on Haleigh and half an hour on Jordan.

[iluvmua]

I'm glad Misty's cousin is not a Person of Interest or a Suspect in this case. There is still a very slim chance that Haleigh could be alive.

[VC2]

Highly disapointing.

I suspect the GR issue and informant question made them decide to stop all and any pressers bc "Sheriff Jeff Hardy determined that all information that can presently be disclosed has been reported,'' the Sheriff's Office statement said.


They decided that if the press is so irresponsible and if they are going to behave as GR did then even the small amounts of info will be shut down.

IMO

[iluvmua]

Maybe one of Ron's Co-workers took Haleigh.
I wonder if he's had any of the people he works with over at his house at any time.

[VC2]

I understand that Ron was due to go to court for "contempt of court" charges. What were these charges related to?

only one i have heard about with a contempt of court proceeding against them is Crystal, for not paying child support to ron re haleigh and junior.

IMO

[emdragon]

On 02/21/09 only a couple of days ago The Today Show interviews Dick Shawlan(sp?) of LE who states the investigation is moving forward but they are not satisfied yet. He says they are looking at the info that has been given to them since the beginning. He says they questioned the cousin, they are not releasing the results of that interview. Nothing has been ruled out.

You can view the Today Show LE statement at youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM)

IMO: This sounds to me like the mysterious cousin has not been ruled out just yet. Until you hear from LE's mouth that something has been ruled out, then it is still part of the investigation. I'm not saying I think the cousin has anything to do with it, but I won't count him out until LE says he's out.

I agree- they said the cousin was not a suspect or a POI not that he had been cleared. NO ONE has been named a suspect or POI.

[5boxersmom]

Is this Misty's cousin Joe? Says he lives in Michigan. I found it by going through the SIL's myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

[emdragon]

Thank you for posting that link Truth. So, to recap, we have LE clearing the AC man and now cousin Joe, but after 14 days and several lengthy interviews have not been able to clear misty or ron.

I wonder why?

As pointed out LE did not say the cousin had been ruled out. Just that he was not a suspect or POI. Scott Peterson wasn't a POI for how long?
LE keeps saying no one has been ruled out, to me that includes the AC man.

[caphill]

Please. There are links aplenty with even LE confirming DCF investigations concerning them.

I don't pull stuff outta thin air to post.

Apparently Ron even confirms that they told him how to spank his child.

I haven't seen any links or reports from DCF of investigations concerning Ron, Misty and the children.

I don't pretend to know what he learned in the parenting classes. I don't know where you pulled the info of the investigations.

I asked if you could direct me how to access any links to DCF sites that gives any info of their investigations. If these investigations were done were there concerns of the health and safety of the children? Where there any recommendations for the custody of the children? If their investigations found problems, why haven't measurements been taken to correct the issues?

If there is evidence of abuse why hasn't the school reported signs of neglect or abuse? These questions I just pulled out of the air to ask.

LOL I just pushed my puppy off my computer and she raised her paw and slapped me. I don't know whether to smack her behind or put her in time out.

[CC I See]

Unfortunately in the majority of cases of young murdered children the parents/caregivers are the murderers.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm Thank you so much for posting this link...... I have saved it so when certain people who like to ask the question..."why are we suspecting the family?".... "and they are victims too." While the family is not always guilty and strangers do abduct and kill, this data will support why the family should not be ruled out either.

[TunaMelt]

Right. Because if that life insurance policy was a large one and taken out recently and then the child goes missing it means nothing but a father smoking means he didn't care for his child and must have done something.. Right got it.

Agree about the life insurance policy.

However, given what we know in this day and age about the effects of smoking, when I see a parent smoking around his or her children, I think that person cares more about getting his nicotine fix than he or she does about their child or children.

I know it's a habit, I know it's addictive, and I know smokers like to smoke and don't want to quit -- but it's bad for those around the smoker, especially growing children.

It's just common sense.
As well as good parenting.

[Lorakai]

I was wondering if the users here could take a look at my new post and weigh in on a thought I had.

I have asked CW if this is possible, but I'm not sure if you guys like the idea,.. or that CW will say OK,... right now it's only an idea i'm tossing around.

Would it be ok to...? (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349528)

Thanks :)

:wub: Lorakai

[summer4meplz]

It is not Ron that has been reported to have a life policy on the chidlren. It is Crystal the bio mom. I don't know if it is a paid up policy or whether she continues to make payments.

It is being reported that Crystal is in contempt of court for child support payments due to Ron. I have not heard where she is working. I believe she lives with her boyfriend and her new daughter. I have read her new boyfriend is the son of her stepfather. Maybe the two families share the same home?


bolded by me....really? her fiancee is her stepbrother? would that be correct?

[crymeariver2006]

I haven't seen any links or reports from DCF of investigations concerning Ron, Misty and the children.

I don't pretend to know what he learned in the parenting classes. I don't know where you pulled the info of the investigations.

I asked if you could direct me how to access any links to DCF sites that gives any info of their investigations. If these investigations were done were there concerns of the health and safety of the children? Where there any recommendations for the custody of the children? If their investigations found problems, why haven't measurements been taken to correct the issues?

If there is evidence of abuse why hasn't the school reported signs of neglect or abuse? These questions I just pulled out of the air to ask.

LOL I just pushed my puppy off my computer and she raised her paw and slapped me. I don't know whether to smack her behind or put her in time out.

To my knowledge, DCF files are confidential. I was only stating what LE has said in their press conferences and what the media has reported from their "sources".

We DON'T KNOW that the school hasn't reported abuse. We DON'T KNOW that steps were not being taken to correct any problems found.

[Mimi428]

I have seen no evidence that he deserves the brutual bashing he gets on these message boards and now by Geraldo and the FOX media.


<snipped>

Last week, I would have said the same thing. But the more time goes on the more it appears that there is apparently NOTHING so important to Ron that he will give up being deceptive when speaking.

He says he never saw concrete blocks on the backyard - yet there is a pile of concrete blocks in the backyard.

He says he was vigilant to check the lock on the back door every day before he went to work. WHY, if you are not leaving an empty house would you even say such a thing? I doesn't take a genius to comprehend that as long as another person is in the house doors can be locked & unlocked.

He won't even admit he has been arrested on drug charges - why not?

The only person he & Misty point the finger at as possibly being involved in abducting Haleigh is the one person LE has said they spoke to & are satisfied he was not involved.

His mother says he was involved in a fight with Misty's cousin. He says he wasn't. Why would they be contradicting one another? What purpose could it serve for his mother to make up that story? What purpose could it serve for Ron to deny that story?

His mother says he got in a fight over a gun being stolen from his house. He not only denies the fight, he denies having a gun. Again - what purpose could it serve his mother to make up that story - & what purpose could it serve Ron to deny that story?

It appears he has a 3rd child by a teenager named Amber. When asked directly, he will not give an answer one way or another. Why not? What purpose could it possibly serve to be vague about something like that?

He shows an odd (odd, IMO) propensity to preface what he says with words indicating he isn't at fault for whatever he relates is going. WHY in the world would he do something like that? He makes declarations of facts that, if his story is to be believed, he would have no way to know one way or another. He declares that the house was broken into, for example. If he wasn't home, how does he have any idea whether it is more likely the house was broken into than it is likely the door was unlocked?

I don't give a darn whether he has a history of drinking, drugs, having sex with &/or living with 16-year-old girls, smoking around his children, living in a trailer, cussing a blue streak or getting in public fights, etc. But I DO take exception when he will not simply say the truth. How in the world is LE to get a good idea of who he knows, who he has hung around with, who he may be crossways with, who might have a grudge against him, if the man won't stop being deceptive?? It is NOT his place to decide what to tell & what to lie about when the LIFE of a child is at stake.

There is only ONE choice for someone who claims to be only interested in finding his own child - tell the truth & d@mn the torpedoes (figurative torpedoes, but you get the picture).

JMO

[summer4meplz]

I was wondering if the users here could take a look at my new post and weigh in on a thought I had.

I have asked CW if this is possible, but I'm not sure if you guys like the idea,.. or that CW will say OK,... right now it's only an idea i'm tossing around.

Would it be ok to...? (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349528)

Thanks :)

:wub: Lorakai

I read that Lorakai but I don't like to weigh in on decisions like this because it does not matter to me how you gather and organize all your wonderful posts....I really appreciate them.....so IMO whatever is easiest for everyone gets my vote....I will read whether it's one thread or 20....thanks again for all you do:biggrin:

[Peaches]

Is this Misty's cousin Joe? Says he lives in Michigan. I found it by going through the SIL's myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888



Does anyone have a link to Crystal's myspace?

I would like to see it if you do not mind posting it here.

TIA

[CC I See]

Why does the 17 year old age bother me? Because if I remember correctly and I could be wrong her DOB was indicating they met prior to her being 17...meaning she was 16 when they met. Again the lack of concern for what is approriate..... I know that it was stated earlier that she turned 17 in November but do not know if it is fact. They got together when she was 16.

[TunaMelt]

<snipped>

Last week, I would have said the same thing. But the more time goes on the more it appears that there is apparently NOTHING so important to Ron that he will give up being deceptive when speaking.

He says he never saw concrete blocks on the backyard - yet there is a pile of concrete blocks in the backyard.

He says he was vigilant to check the lock on the back door every day before he went to work. WHY, if you are not leaving an empty house would you even say such a thing? I doesn't take a genius to comprehend that as long as another person is in the house doors can be locked & unlocked.

He won't even admit he has been arrested on drug charges - why not?

The only person he & Misty point the finger at as possibly being involved in abducting Haleigh is the one person LE has said they spoke to & are satisfied he was not involved.

His mother says he was involved in a fight with Misty's cousin. He says he wasn't. Why would they be contradicting one another? What purpose could it serve for his mother to make up that story? What purpose could it serve for Ron to deny that story?

His mother says he got in a fight over a gun being stolen from his house. He not only denies the fight, he denies having a gun. Again - what purpose could it serve his mother to make up that story - & what purpose could it serve Ron to deny that story?

It appears he has a 3rd child by a teenager named Amber. When asked directly, he will not give an answer one way or another. Why not? What purpose could it possibly serve to be vague about something like that?

He shows an odd (odd, IMO) propensity to preface what he says with words indicating he isn't at fault for whatever he relates is going. WHY in the world would he do something like that? He makes declarations of facts that, if his story is to be believed, he would have no way to know one way or another. He declares that the house was broken into, for example. If he wasn't home, how does he have any idea whether it is more likely the house was broken into than it is likely the door was unlocked?

I don't give a darn whether he has a history of drinking, drugs, having sex with &/or living with 16-year-old girls, smoking around his children, living in a trailer, cussing a blue streak or getting in public fights, etc. But I DO take exception when he will not simply say the truth. How in the world is LE to get a good idea of who he knows, who he has hung around with, who he may be crossways with, who might have a grudge against him, if the man won't stop being deceptive?? It is NOT his place to decide what to tell & what to lie about when the LIFE of a child is at stake.

There is only ONE choice for someone who claims to be only interested in finding his own child - tell the truth & d@mn the torpedoes (figurative torpedoes, but you get the picture).

JMO

Excellent post.
High five to you, mimi.

[msgatorslayer]

Is anyone here familiar with the area? I was thinking......didnt they say that Haleigh's scent was picked up to the railroad tracks and ended there? Is there a way to get from the trailer to the tracks without having to go down their street? Like maybe a back way? I still think it was a sex pervert (but not a registered SO) that lives close to them. jmo

I was just reading a description of which roads the dog traveled down before ending at the RR tracks.

http://www.florida-cracker.org/archives/004565.html

And yes, there are other ways to get to the tracks without traveling down Green Lane. There are 2 other roads with patches of woods in between. However, the tracking dog was walking to the north and west, before looping around, and heading back to the east by the tracks.

I'm using Google Earth but cannot locate the pond which is mentioned in that link. Must be concealed by the trees.

[5boxersmom]

Wonder who this guy is and where he is now? Hasn't logged on for two years. See message Misty left him 2 years ago. Also nasty post by Misty's SIL.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=106867975

[Peaches]

bolded by me....really? her fiancee is her stepbrother? would that be correct?



And................does he have a job?

[emdragon]

I don't doubt that a vindictive maternal Grandmother called DCF and turned over the picture of the fall.

I think DCF had to investigate and did a home study- leading to Ron saying he needed a 3 bedroom place. And since it is not against the law or abuse to spank your kids I believe DCF told Ron what the line was so it doesn't get crossed.

I also think it looks pretty clear that whatever they told him to do he was doing-

I don't believe there was abuse or DCF would not have left Haleigh in the home if they felt Ron was a threat. I also think Ron is not a suspect or LE would have said something to DCF so they could take custody of Jr.

[bluwaters]

How do "we"" know that Ron and Misty and chilodren had "dealings" with DCF? I have no kinowledge of that. Do you have a link of these "dealings".

In the custody hearings Ron agreed to take a parenting course and later presented the court with a cert of completion. This may have been something offered by DCF.

Please share your info of the other "dealings" he had with DCF.

Haleigh's Family Investigated for Abuse
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleighs-Family-Investigated-for-Abuse/zoutG7mWsUWPf-CQ6lPijA.cspx

I am looking, I think that there are more references.
There is a lot of information in the links thread.

ETA: Haleigh's family life unstable from start
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

[summer4meplz]

Wonder who this guy is and where he is now? Hasn't logged on for two years. See message Misty left him 2 years ago. Also nasty post by Misty's SIL.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=106867975

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

ETA Unless when you change your name, it changes everywhere your old name was? I don't get how that works...

[crymeariver2006]

Wonder who this guy is and where he is now? Hasn't logged on for two years. See message Misty left him 2 years ago. Also nasty post by Misty's SIL.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=106867975

Well Misty did live in Daytona Beach (with her other brother as I recall)...old boyfriend maybe?

(Somebody needs their mouth washed out with soap! :w00t: )

[Lorakai]

I read that Lorakai but I don't like to weigh in on decisions like this because it does not matter to me how you gather and organize all your wonderful posts....I really appreciate them.....so IMO whatever is easiest for everyone gets my vote....I will read whether it's one thread or 20....thanks again for all you do:biggrin:

Ty Summer,.. I think no harm done in having both the daily thread and the specifics. I appreciate your feedback ;)

[crymeariver2006]

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

Because once you change your profile on MySpace, the new profile will replace the old one on all of your old posts.

[Mimi428]

Because once you change your profile on MySpace, the new profile will replace the old one on all of your old posts.

Right-o. Same as if I change the quote that appears just below my posts - it will then be different on all the old posts I have written here.

[Britney]

I don't doubt that a vindictive maternal Grandmother called DCF and turned over the picture of the fall.

I think DCF had to investigate and did a home study- leading to Ron saying he needed a 3 bedroom place. And since it is not against the law or abuse to spank your kids I believe DCF told Ron what the line was so it doesn't get crossed.

I also think it looks pretty clear that whatever they told him to do he was doing-

I don't believe there was abuse or DCF would not have left Haleigh in the home if they felt Ron was a threat. I also think Ron is not a suspect or LE would have said something to DCF so they could take custody of Jr.


According to the Gainesville News, the case was on the docket for Feb 9

[summer4meplz]

Because once you change your profile on MySpace, the new profile will replace the old one on all of your old posts.

thanks...mystery solved....obviously I don't have a myspace,...:smile:

[5boxersmom]

According to the Gainesville News, the case was on the docket for Feb 9

What happen that day at court? Or was that the day Haleigh went missing? I can't remember if it was the 9th or 10th.

tia

[bluwaters]

Agree about the life insurance policy.

However, given what we know in this day and age about the effects of smoking, when I see a parent smoking around his or her children, I think that person cares more about getting his nicotine fix than he or she does about their child or children.

I know it's a habit, I know it's addictive, and I know smokers like to smoke and don't want to quit -- but it's bad for those around the smoker, especially growing children.

It's just common sense.
As well as good parenting.
AND..it's so expensive!

[crymeariver2006]

I don't doubt that a vindictive maternal Grandmother called DCF and turned over the picture of the fall.

I think DCF had to investigate and did a home study- leading to Ron saying he needed a 3 bedroom place. And since it is not against the law or abuse to spank your kids I believe DCF told Ron what the line was so it doesn't get crossed.

I also think it looks pretty clear that whatever they told him to do he was doing-

I don't believe there was abuse or DCF would not have left Haleigh in the home if they felt Ron was a threat. I also think Ron is not a suspect or LE would have said something to DCF so they could take custody of Jr.

That may well all be true. But we have to remember that DCF sometimes moves slow, if at all, and Haleigh wouldn't have been the first child failed by DCF in Florida. (JMO)

If DCF advised that he needed a 3 BR house, what would they say to 3 months later after they got the 3 BR, they were all sleeping in the same bedroom? If you know.

[crymeariver2006]

Reward has been increased by 25,000, total now over 45,000

That's a bit of good news! Did they say who added the $25,000?

[KatyDid]

Reward has been increased by 25,000, total now over 45,000

Did that just happen? I am watching HLN and they are saying reward increased by $4000 making the total $20,000.

[FrankieBones1]

Is this Misty's cousin Joe? Says he lives in Michigan. I found it by going through the SIL's myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888
He really doesn't look like the Joe Overstreet from Tennessee.

[bluwaters]

Wonder who this guy is and where he is now? Hasn't logged on for two years. See message Misty left him 2 years ago. Also nasty post by Misty's SIL.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=106867975

I don't know about him.
Old boyfriend I guess.
Hmm, I wonder if they keep in touch or he has ever been to visit?

I wonder about this guy:

Samual buster Griffis
Registered Sexual Offender
Glen St Mary, FL

He lives close to Bruce and Marie (Crystal's mom) Griffis,
but I don't know the relationship.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Whoever took Haleigh had to be familiar with the area and the home itself. It is too remote for a random stranger, IMO.
I think that it had to be someone who had been there before.

I posted this yesterday, but only one person replied, and that was to point a mistake that I had made in one of the names.

[bluwaters]

I was wondering if the users here could take a look at my new post and weigh in on a thought I had.

I have asked CW if this is possible, but I'm not sure if you guys like the idea,.. or that CW will say OK,... right now it's only an idea i'm tossing around.

Would it be ok to...? (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349528)

Thanks :)

:wub: Lorakai
Hi Lorakai
I really do appreciate your posts and research.
It is really up to CW to make a decision.
If she wants our opinion, then she usually asks.
Thanks! :smile:

[bluwaters]

Unfortunately in the majority of cases of young murdered children the parents/caregivers are the murderers.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

annalyzer
Could you please post this in the Links thread?
TIA:thumbup:

[Armchairdet]

LE needs to go to every home in the area.......look around septic tanks and see if any has been open lately. I just feel its a pervert living in the imediate area. jmo

How odd you mention septic tanks. I had a dream the other night about someone having fallen in one. I don't remember any other details, but it made me jolt awake. :ohmy:

[bluwaters]

Average funeral nowadays cost around 8000. A 10,000 wouldnt be unreasonable.

A recent policy, large amount and behind on child support worth looking at.

Did Crystal also purchase a policy for Chloe, the baby she had with Chad ?

[Britney]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

Interesting that they talked to both Ron and Chad today.

[Motomom]

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

ETA Unless when you change your name, it changes everywhere your old name was? I don't get how that works...

Yes, it changes wherever you posted before. Also.. some times myspace kind of spams people with comments..Like the dirty one probably was.

[Armchairdet]

===============

Hi Arm.......u didnt have a dream, u had a nightmare. lol

How awful that would be.


You're right about that.

[Britney]

Interesting that they talked to both Ron and Chad today.


What the...???

Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said Chad Griffis has nothing to hide. Marie Griffis is also Chad Griffis' stepmother.

[Lorakai]

Hi Lorakai
I really do appreciate your posts and research.
It is really up to CW to make a decision.
If she wants our opinion, then she usually asks.
Thanks! :smile:

Ty Blu,... I guess I am still learning board etiquette. I hope CW doesn't get mad that I was asking around, no harm intended, I am just trying to be helpful. I did reach out to CW, and haven't heard back yet. I will wait till I hear back from CW.

~ Lorakai

[Mimi428]

Yes, it changes wherever you posted before. Also.. some times myspace kind of spams people with comments..Like the dirty one probably was.

Unfortunately, Misty has a sister-in-law with that exact same first name.

[Texas48]

<snipped>

Last week, I would have said the same thing. But the more time goes on the more it appears that there is apparently NOTHING so important to Ron that he will give up being deceptive when speaking.

He says he never saw concrete blocks on the backyard - yet there is a pile of concrete blocks in the backyard.

He says he was vigilant to check the lock on the back door every day before he went to work. WHY, if you are not leaving an empty house would you even say such a thing? I doesn't take a genius to comprehend that as long as another person is in the house doors can be locked & unlocked.

He won't even admit he has been arrested on drug charges - why not?

The only person he & Misty point the finger at as possibly being involved in abducting Haleigh is the one person LE has said they spoke to & are satisfied he was not involved.

His mother says he was involved in a fight with Misty's cousin. He says he wasn't. Why would they be contradicting one another? What purpose could it serve for his mother to make up that story? What purpose could it serve for Ron to deny that story?

His mother says he got in a fight over a gun being stolen from his house. He not only denies the fight, he denies having a gun. Again - what purpose could it serve his mother to make up that story - & what purpose could it serve Ron to deny that story?

It appears he has a 3rd child by a teenager named Amber. When asked directly, he will not give an answer one way or another. Why not? What purpose could it possibly serve to be vague about something like that?

He shows an odd (odd, IMO) propensity to preface what he says with words indicating he isn't at fault for whatever he relates is going. WHY in the world would he do something like that? He makes declarations of facts that, if his story is to be believed, he would have no way to know one way or another. He declares that the house was broken into, for example. If he wasn't home, how does he have any idea whether it is more likely the house was broken into than it is likely the door was unlocked?

I don't give a darn whether he has a history of drinking, drugs, having sex with &/or living with 16-year-old girls, smoking around his children, living in a trailer, cussing a blue streak or getting in public fights, etc. But I DO take exception when he will not simply say the truth. How in the world is LE to get a good idea of who he knows, who he has hung around with, who he may be crossways with, who might have a grudge against him, if the man won't stop being deceptive?? It is NOT his place to decide what to tell & what to lie about when the LIFE of a child is at stake.

There is only ONE choice for someone who claims to be only interested in finding his own child - tell the truth & d@mn the torpedoes (figurative torpedoes, but you get the picture).

JMOWill NOT snip because this is an excellent post. jmo:thumbsup:

[Anakerie]

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

ETA Unless when you change your name, it changes everywhere your old name was? I don't get how that works...

They change whenever the myspace person changes their name or picture. I have a myspace account and one of my granddaughters keeps changing her name and her pictures.. Took me a few minutes to figure out who the heck she was the first time she did it.. lol

[Texas48]

Well Misty did live in Daytona Beach (with her other brother as I recall)...old boyfriend maybe?

(Somebody needs their mouth washed out with soap! :w00t: )Where are all these people coming from? Once again....stranger with each new day. Circus will be in town soon and sure they are bringing the squirrels with them. lol..

[emdragon]

Early on in one of the first interviews Ron said he didn't see cinder blocks around the trailer- he also said it was possible there are some he just hadn't seen them- A reporter confirmed you have to look for them they are not out in the open.

Geraldo according to published reports (i refuse to watch him) asked Ron "Do you DO drugs" he didn't ask have you ever used drugs.

I posted the link to FL drug testing laws in the work place and pretty sure Ron's job is covered as one requiring random testing.

If they are questioning Chad now is that side of the family going to pony up and take LDTs?

[CC I See]

<snipped>

Last week, I would have said the same thing. But the more time goes on the more it appears that there is apparently NOTHING so important to Ron that he will give up being deceptive when speaking.

He says he never saw concrete blocks on the backyard - yet there is a pile of concrete blocks in the backyard.

He says he was vigilant to check the lock on the back door every day before he went to work. WHY, if you are not leaving an empty house would you even say such a thing? I doesn't take a genius to comprehend that as long as another person is in the house doors can be locked & unlocked.

He won't even admit he has been arrested on drug charges - why not?

The only person he & Misty point the finger at as possibly being involved in abducting Haleigh is the one person LE has said they spoke to & are satisfied he was not involved.

His mother says he was involved in a fight with Misty's cousin. He says he wasn't. Why would they be contradicting one another? What purpose could it serve for his mother to make up that story? What purpose could it serve for Ron to deny that story?

His mother says he got in a fight over a gun being stolen from his house. He not only denies the fight, he denies having a gun. Again - what purpose could it serve his mother to make up that story - & what purpose could it serve Ron to deny that story?

It appears he has a 3rd child by a teenager named Amber. When asked directly, he will not give an answer one way or another. Why not? What purpose could it possibly serve to be vague about something like that?

He shows an odd (odd, IMO) propensity to preface what he says with words indicating he isn't at fault for whatever he relates is going. WHY in the world would he do something like that? He makes declarations of facts that, if his story is to be believed, he would have no way to know one way or another. He declares that the house was broken into, for example. If he wasn't home, how does he have any idea whether it is more likely the house was broken into than it is likely the door was unlocked?

I don't give a darn whether he has a history of drinking, drugs, having sex with &/or living with 16-year-old girls, smoking around his children, living in a trailer, cussing a blue streak or getting in public fights, etc. But I DO take exception when he will not simply say the truth. How in the world is LE to get a good idea of who he knows, who he has hung around with, who he may be crossways with, who might have a grudge against him, if the man won't stop being deceptive?? It is NOT his place to decide what to tell & what to lie about when the LIFE of a child is at stake.

There is only ONE choice for someone who claims to be only interested in finding his own child - tell the truth & d@mn the torpedoes (figurative torpedoes, but you get the picture).

JMO.....he appears to be an habitual liar not unlike another well know person accused in the disappearance and murder of her daughter. Your post is very well written and raises some very good points. Hopefully some of his avid supporters on this board will reconsider their thinking.

[VC2]

What the...???

Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said Chad Griffis has nothing to hide. Marie Griffis is also Chad Griffis' stepmother.

yes, seems crystals fiancee is her step brother. i wish he had a smiley with a straight face on it for that.

[Texas48]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.htmlBreaks my heart when I hear "no new leads"....

[Larkin]

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been covered..but does anyone know what Crystal does for a living? It seems odd that she has no custody and yet she has to pay child support. I was just wondering if she makes way more money than Ron or not.

[bluwaters]

Ty Blu,... I guess I am still learning board etiquette. I hope CW doesn't get mad that I was asking around, no harm intended, I am just trying to be helpful. I did reach out to CW, and haven't heard back yet. I will wait till I hear back from CW.

~ Lorakai
Sorry!
I did not mean to make it sound like I am the rewlz police! :cool:
Reading it back, it does sound curt.
I will read your posts no matter where they are.

[march27]

That may well all be true. But we have to remember that DCF sometimes moves slow, if at all, and Haleigh wouldn't have been the first child failed by DCF in Florida. (JMO)

If DCF advised that he needed a 3 BR house, what would they say to 3 months later after they got the 3 BR, they were all sleeping in the same bedroom? If you know.


I read this before but still dont understand it. Why would DCF tell Ron how many bedrooms he had to have?

[crymeariver2006]

I heard it real quick, same station said it was still at 20 at the end of the show.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx

According to this link:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

The $25,000 addition is true.

Also on Monday, a donor added $25,000 to the Crime Stoppers reward for Haleigh, Crime Stoppers Executive Director Dr. Suzanne DeWees said. The total is now up to $41,000.

[KKKKKKatie]

Well Misty did live in Daytona Beach (with her other brother as I recall)...old boyfriend maybe?

(Somebody needs their mouth washed out with soap! :w00t: )


And at 19 he makes over $250K a year :rolleyes:

[KatyDid]

On HLN, JVM saying Crystal's fiance brought in for questioning. Apologies if this was already posted. I am just now hearing it.

[Britney]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.

[playnice]

JVM New Developments Crystals BF being interviewed.

[5boxersmom]

So they questioned the step dad/BF today? Wonder if they have before?

[KatyDid]

According to this link:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

The $25,000 addition is true.

Thank you for the update on the reward. That is great news!

[5boxersmom]

I read this before but still dont understand it. Why would DCF tell Ron how many bedrooms he had to have?

I think if you have a boy and girl they expect a bedroom for each one.

imo

[KatyDid]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.

Me too. I thought he came home from work and Misty had just discovered Haleigh missing.

[Themis]

Where are all these people coming from? Once again....stranger with each new day. Circus will be in town soon and sure they are bringing the squirrels with them. lol..
I have no idea ... reminds me of some humongous ant hills I saw in Kenya.

Where is Haleigh?

[crymeariver2006]

I read this before but still dont understand it. Why would DCF tell Ron how many bedrooms he had to have?


I don't know that they do. My post was in response to another poster.

However, the lady who owns the house said Ron came to her and wanted to rent the house because it had 3 bedrooms.

(Here in NC - at least it used to be - once children reached a certain age, male and female children could not share a bedroom.)

As I say, I have no idea what the requirement is now, nor do I have any idea what the requirement is in Florida. :shrug:

[Motomom]

Unfortunately, Misty has a sister-in-law with that exact same first name.

Doesn't matter.. it gets spammed from that account.. like a virus of sorts. Usually they are things for ringtones and it has a long drawn out thing, where you think that the person wrote it and they didn't. I'm not positive that is what it is, but I do think it is more likely than her posting that to him..with nothing else before or since kwim?

[Britney]

Me too. I thought he came home from work and Misty had just discovered Haleigh missing.

The last I heard from him about the phone call was that his cell phone rang as he turned into the driveway and he saw Misty on the porch and that is why he did not answer.

[crymeariver2006]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.

That's the first ANYBODY'S heard that!

Unless......Misty's been talking to the media again?

:laugh:

[Motomom]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.

JVM is always spouting misinformation which this case seems to be full of. I think some of it misty and ron are getting unfairly blamed for IMO

[iluvmua]

This case is SO confusing; this is a case of He said/She said.
I don't understand why they can't put all of thier differences aside and come together for little Haleigh.

In the beginning I though that maybe Ron and Misty were innocent (and they very well may be) but now with all the lies and mud slinging between the two families I don't know what to think.

Somebody knows a lot more then they are telling.

[Motomom]

I don't know that they do. My post was in response to another poster.

However, the lady who owns the house said Ron came to her and wanted to rent the house because it had 3 bedrooms.

(Here in NC - at least it used to be - once children reached a certain age, male and female children could not share a bedroom.)

As I say, I have no idea what the requirement is now, nor do I have any idea what the requirement is in Florida. :shrug:


I believe that is because he is renting. there is a similar law here too. If you own, a different ballgame I think.

[ttcRider]

[QUOTE=crymeariver2006;12821037]Well Misty did live in Daytona Beach (with her other brother as I recall)...old boyfriend maybe?

Snipped by me..

WOW! I have to slow down when reading these posts!! :unsure:

[Texas48]

Why are you all getting hung up on a insurance policy? Seriously my husband and I were in seperate states at one point 3000 miles away and he started a job and took life insurance out on the children and we weren't together at the time. Its really NOT that uncommon for a parent to have a life policy on their child. Especially if it was done through an employer. GOOD night lets not get to the other kinds of fishy stuff that was going on IN the home prior to her going missing. Possible drug use ...the LACK of education support for the children..including the babysitter. Underage smoking....which causes second hand smoke which is a HUGE problem with children. Which brings me back to another issue I have with these "parents" if Haleigh had a health issue and her heart had issues WHY WOULD YOU HAVE SMOKE ON YOUR CLOTHES or smoke in front of her? GEE makes you wonder if their well being was EVER taken into consideration.ITA w/facts about life ins. policy but then I get confused about your post about second hand some and smoking in front of Haleigh. How do you know they smoked around Haleigh and it is easy to go outside..have a smoke..change your shirt and be around the kids. JMO and just saying...

[crymeariver2006]

So they questioned the step dad/BF today? Wonder if they have before?

Well the other night, Ron's mom said she didn't care if they questioned everybody a hundred times (paraphrase) as long as it helped find Haleigh.

I don't get the feeling she really meant it when it came to Ron though.



JMO and all that.

[Themis]

JVM is always spouting misinformation which this case seems to be full of. I think some of it misty and ron are getting unfairly blamed for IMO
Which is why I do not watch hardly any of these type of shows.
Too many Talking Heads do not do their homework and spout misinformation; then people start running with it.

P.S. It is all about ratings and the THs next contract negotiation.

[JMO]

[Motomom]

This case is SO confusing; this is a case of He said/She said.
I don't understand why they can't put all of thier differences aside and come together for little Haleigh.
snipped
Somebody knows a lot more then they are telling.

They can't because IMO all Crystal and her mother want to do is bash Ron.. i haven't heard much out of his mouth bashing the mother from him though? I could have missed it though.

I agree with your last statement to a point.

[MidnightBlu]

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

ETA Unless when you change your name, it changes everywhere your old name was? I don't get how that works...

If you change your name it changes everywhere even in old posts.

[Texas48]

Where is your link that said it was a LARGE policy and taken out RIGHT before she disappeared? She stated she had NEVER been in the home....whomever had taken her HAD been in the home...they didn't fumble for lights didn't trip over chairs or tables they KNEW where everything was.I think emdragon's post read "IF" the policy was a large one. In this we do not need a link.jmo

[KatyDid]

The last I heard from him about the phone call was that his cell phone rang as he turned into the driveway and he saw Misty on the porch and that is why he did not answer.

You probably know more than I. Thank you for the reply Britney. :smile:

[KatyDid]

Now on the banner on JVM it says they interviewed the dad and the mom's fiance today. :confused:

[Motomom]

ITA w/facts about life ins. policy but then I get confused about your post about second hand some and smoking in front of Haleigh. How do you know they smoked around Haleigh and it is easy to go outside..have a smoke..change your shirt and be around the kids. JMO and just saying...

When it comes down to it texas, it doesn't matter and it's just another way to bash this family. So what, they smoke.. I smoke too. I'm not a bad person and I surely don't deserve to have one of my children go missing because of it.. I I surely wouldn't deserve bashing if my child God forbid did go missing because I smoke.. I feel the same way in regards to his marijuana charge.. who cares..so many people smoke it.. of all classes too. None of that indicates to me that he is guilty in any way. If he is..different story..but until we find out it was him...

[breeze53]

I don't understand how on Sept 3, 2006, someone could have left him a message and the name of the person was !!please bring haleigh home!!

ETA Unless when you change your name, it changes everywhere your old name was? I don't get how that works...


It shows whatever you have on your profile like she did have her pic but when she changed it to please bring Haleigh home that is how it shows now. If this makes any sense.

[Motomom]

Well the other night, Ron's mom said she didn't care if they questioned everybody a hundred times (paraphrase) as long as it helped find Haleigh.

I don't get the feeling she really meant it when it came to Ron though.



JMO and all that.

What makes you think that?

[KatyDid]

Just thinking back to hearing the dad in the background on the 911 call by Misty. He used some very foul language, even calling Misty a name. IMO, that is abusive.

[Lorakai]

Sorry!
I did not mean to make it sound like I am the rewlz police! :cool:
Reading it back, it does sound curt.
I will read your posts no matter where they are.

I never took it that way Blu, I thank you for the advice, you were only trying to protect me ;)

[beachpatty]

Several years ago there was a young woman that was found dead in a septic tank. She had been murdered and her body was dumped in there. This was maybe 20 years ago but I still remember it because it was on a back road that we took on the way to my grandmas. Always freaked me out when we drove by there.


was that, per chance, in alabama or georgia? my hubby's cousin was murdered by her boyfriend, his brother helped him open the septic tank, then went to school and bragged about it. the local cops had already been to the property to question him, i think her family had reported her missing, but left with no info, when they went back with the info from the brother, the took off in his truck and blew his brains out while he was driving. i believe he was very abusive and she was also pregnant. there can't be 2 like that, can there?

[breeze53]

There could be more than one incentive to fight for custody of children. usually the one who gets custody receives the child support and that includes ssi for children who qualify. If ron lost custody he would be paying 2 different families correct.?


what is SSI? thanks!

[Motomom]

Just thinking back to hearing the dad in the background on the 911 call by Misty. He used some very foul language, even calling Misty a name. IMO, that is abusive.

I think I would have said the same thing to her, had I come home to find my daughter missing. Unfortunately in times like that.. some people don't think before they speak.. happens to the best of us :closedeyes:

[Britney]

i can't believe JVM cannot understand that if Ron abused Haleigh previously, he could possibly have hurt her even more the day she disappeared. IMO

[FrankieBones1]

Haleigh's mom's fiance was questioned by LE today. This is according to Jane Valez Mitchell on HNL just now. Sounds like LE is questioning everyone no matter how remote. Good on them.

[march27]

I don't know that they do. My post was in response to another poster.

However, the lady who owns the house said Ron came to her and wanted to rent the house because it had 3 bedrooms.

(Here in NC - at least it used to be - once children reached a certain age, male and female children could not share a bedroom.)

As I say, I have no idea what the requirement is now, nor do I have any idea what the requirement is in Florida. :shrug:


Thanks that makes sense.

[Motomom]

i can't believe JVM cannot understand that if Ron abused Haleigh previously, he could possibly have hurt her even more the day she disappeared. IMO

Good thing there is no proof that he abused her yet. I say yet..because you just never know..but as of right now.. no physical abuse or mental against haleigh.

[FrankieBones1]

I think I would have said the same thing to her, had I come home to find my daughter missing. Unfortunately in times like that.. some people don't think before they speak.. happens to the best of us :closedeyes:

Besides, I think that bad language is a habit with some folks. Cussing and swearing come so easily and they aren't even aware of it.

[Lorakai]

I don't know that they do. My post was in response to another poster.

However, the lady who owns the house said Ron came to her and wanted to rent the house because it had 3 bedrooms.

(Here in NC - at least it used to be - once children reached a certain age, male and female children could not share a bedroom.)

As I say, I have no idea what the requirement is now, nor do I have any idea what the requirement is in Florida. :shrug:

This is in fact true about DCF, there are strict arrangements that have to be made after a certain age, and that is why they have changed their stories about the sleeping arrangements on several accounts. They didn't want to get in trouble with DCF on breaking the sleeping rules. The question I have is, if the rental is a three bedroom,.. why were the children all sleeping in one room with Ron and Misty be it their own beds or in one bed. What is in the other two bedrooms, if in fact the trailer home is a three bedroom?

[Themis]

They can't because IMO all Crystal and her mother want to do is bash Ron.. i haven't heard much out of his mouth bashing the mother from him though? I could have missed it though.

I agree with your last statement to a point.
I believe the bashing from Crystal and her Mother stems from years ago. Hard feelings that have been simmering every since.
I have read over and over Crystal and RC were together off and on from when Crystal was 14 to about 19. Two children born, no marriage and then the father, RC, ends up with custody.

Add to the simmering pot is that RC alledgedly fathering another child, a son, by a 2nd woman. RC again moves on to a 3rd teen and he's been with Misty for 5-6 months. [JMO]

[KatyDid]

OH my Lawd....Just when you think you have heard it all-well-
I'm with you...I need either the straight face smiley or this one.. barf

I hadn't heard that either. I am :scared:

[KatyDid]

Besides, I think that bad language is a habit with some folks. Cussing and swearing come so easily and they aren't even aware of it.

I guess I live in a different world. :blushing:

[KatyDid]

Haleigh's mom's fiance was questioned by LE today. This is according to Jane Valez Mitchell on HNL just now. Sounds like LE is questioning everyone no matter how remote. Good on them.

The dad was interviewed again today too.

[Motomom]

Besides, I think that bad language is a habit with some folks. Cussing and swearing come so easily and they aren't even aware of it.

Oh Frankie.. don't I know it :sleep:

[Texas48]

When it comes down to it texas, it doesn't matter and it's just another way to bash this family. So what, they smoke.. I smoke too. I'm not a bad person and I surely don't deserve to have one of my children go missing because of it.. I I surely wouldn't deserve bashing if my child God forbid did go missing because I smoke.. I feel the same way in regards to his marijuana charge.. who cares..so many people smoke it.. of all classes too. None of that indicates to me that he is guilty in any way. If he is..different story..but until we find out it was him...Good post motomom and you are correct.

[FrankieBones1]

I read this before but still dont understand it. Why would DCF tell Ron how many bedrooms he had to have?I heard this on tv the other night in regards to this case.
The parents who share custody (part time) needs to separate male and female children when it comes to sleeping arrangements. I've heard the same for Canada when custody is shared. The child must have their own bedroom.

[odyssey]

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been covered..but does anyone know what Crystal does for a living? It seems odd that she has no custody and yet she has to pay child support. I was just wondering if she makes way more money than Ron or not.

If she does not have custody and is not disabled then she would typically be ordered to pay child support yes .. not sure about Florida but know some states if the non-custodial parent does not work at all they will/can still assess them at 40 hours a week minimum wage job and figure out support amount that way because whether someone works or not the kids still have to eat, etc.

I have not heard of her working .. i do know she has a nine month old baby girl .. not sure if she works or not.

moo

[cloe23]

Early on in one of the first interviews Ron said he didn't see cinder blocks around the trailer- he also said it was possible there are some he just hadn't seen them- A reporter confirmed you have to look for them they are not out in the open.

Geraldo according to published reports (i refuse to watch him) asked Ron "Do you DO drugs" he didn't ask have you ever used drugs.

I posted the link to FL drug testing laws in the work place and pretty sure Ron's job is covered as one requiring random testing.

If they are questioning Chad now is that side of the family going to pony up and take LDTs?

I can't believe that they (LE) are just now questioning the mothers boy friend! :scared: What are they thinking? Both kids spent every other weekend with their mother and boy friend(IMO) IIRC.
I am so glad that Jane is the reporter on the tube right now.

[Motomom]

This is in fact true about DCF, there are strict arrangements that have to be made after a certain age, and that is why they have changed their stories about the sleeping arrangements on several accounts. They didn't want to get in trouble with DCF on breaking the sleeping rules. The question I have is, if the rental is a three bedroom,.. why were the children all sleeping in one room with Ron and Misty be it their own beds or in one bed. What is in the other two bedrooms, if in fact the trailer home is a three bedroom?

I would like to see their rooms.. They may have slept in the same room because of his night work.. Heck, I have 3 kids, 3 bedrooms and 5 out of 7 days, I have at least 2 kids in bed with me..go figure.

[bluwaters]

Early on in one of the first interviews Ron said he didn't see cinder blocks around the trailer- he also said it was possible there are some he just hadn't seen them- A reporter confirmed you have to look for them they are not out in the open.

Geraldo according to published reports (i refuse to watch him) asked Ron "Do you DO drugs" he didn't ask have you ever used drugs.

I posted the link to FL drug testing laws in the work place and pretty sure Ron's job is covered as one requiring random testing.

If they are questioning Chad now is that side of the family going to pony up and take LDTs?

I am all for being truthful, but some of these questions that are asked of Ron by the press are not helpful in the search for Haleigh. In fact, it takes the focus off of her.

As far as Ron's drug arrest, it looks pretty minor for an 18 or so year old kid.
Also, Ron was not convicted of those charges!
He doesn't owe anyone an explanation, besides LE.

I want to believe that Ron is being truthful with LE.
I am sorry that his encounter with Geraldo was such a disaster.
Instead of lying, hopefully he will learn to refuse to answer such questions.

Still, I also see him as a controlling man who is taking advantage of a young woman, still a minor, by playing house with her.
It is not a game.
His children should not have a different mommy substitute every once and a while.
Did Amber hold the same position?

The court thinks that Ron's mother is helping supervise, care for, and oversee the raising of these children.
Did anyone inform the court when Misty entered the picture?

So many have posted, and it is true, that a 17 year old can be a very capable baby sitter.
Misty was doing so much more than that.
She said that she cared for those children 24/7, except for the 4 days a month that they go to Crystal Sheffield.
That is not a babysitter.
That is either a mother or a servant.
Does Ron pay her an equitable wage for her services in his home?
If not, then she is a slave.

I wouldn't say it that way if the rumor was not going around that Misty ran away for 3 days and Ron dragged her back.
Why isn't Misty free to leave Ron?
She does not belong to him.
Ron himself, in a plea for Haleigh's return, said that Haleigh is not property, she is his daughter.
Well, Misty does not belong to him.
If he had her best interests in mind, he would not expect her to shoulder so much responsibility or forgo an education.

I don't care about the sex.
I do care about the exploitation of a minor.

That said, I commend Ron for doing his best to raise his children.
He has a good job which I hope he does not lose.
I have no doubt that he loves Haleigh and is suffering.
It is hard for me to believe that Ron is involved in her disappearance.

Misty knows something that we haven't heard.
I hope she is telling LE the truth.
She has never struck me as innocent or sheltered.
I think Misty is very savvy about the world and some of it's darker aspects.

Where is Haleigh? :sad:

[Mimi428]

Just thinking back to hearing the dad in the background on the 911 call by Misty. He used some very foul language, even calling Misty a name. IMO, that is abusive.

Next time you listen to it, disregard the specific words & pay careful attention to the tone of his voice.

I do not hear quavering, shaking, panic or upset in the TONE of his voice - not even when he is threatening to kill someone. I don't hear the pitch of his voice rise or fall. I don't hear him choking up. The quality of the tone of his voice is very consistent.

And that bothers me. I've made some phone calls to 911 before in some situations that were true emergencies. In each & every case, no matter how much I was trying to stay calm, stay focused, concentrate on listening to the 911 operator & making sure I could give her solid information - I STILL had a couple of sentences come out where my voice started breaking, sounding quavery/shaky, etc.

JMO

[Motomom]

I believe the bashing from Crystal and her Mother stems from years ago. Hard feelings that have been simmering every since.
I have read over and over Crystal and RC were together off and on from when Crystal was 14 to about 19. Two children born, no marriage and then the father, RC, ends up with custody.

Add to the simmering pot is that RC alledgedly fathering another child, a son, by a 2nd woman. RC again moves on to a 3rd teen and he's been with Misty for 5-6 months. [JMO]

Yes.. a scorned woman.

[FrankieBones1]

The dad was interviewed again today too.

Hi, Katy!
Maybe LE is looking for inconsistent statements. Do you think they questioned him again because of the interview with Geraldo over the weekend?

[bluwaters]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.
I have lost count now.
Does this make it version #4 or #5? :confused:

[Larkin]

If she does not have custody and is not disabled then she would typically be ordered to pay child support yes .. not sure about Florida but know some states if the non-custodial parent does not work at all they will/can still assess them at 40 hours a week minimum wage job and figure out support amount that way because whether someone works or not the kids still have to eat, etc.

I have not heard of her working .. i do know she has a nine month old baby girl .. not sure if she works or not.

moo

Thanks odyssey, I wasn't sure how these things typically work.

[Lorakai]

I would like to see their rooms.. They may have slept in the same room because of his night work.. Heck, I have 3 kids, 3 bedrooms and 5 out of 7 days, I have at least 2 kids in bed with me..go figure.

yeah,.. it's definitely just a guess on my part, and makes perfect sense to keep all alone in the house at night together for added safety, although I fear in this case, that was not why the kids were sleeping in the same room with Ron and Misty. This is why I question what is in the other two bedrooms, is it that Haleigh actually has a bedroom of her own or is it being used for storage or something else?

[breeze53]

Supplemental Security Income (I think) It is a money granted to Children with a disability, ie ADD AHDD It is very much abused in Massachusetts. one women in Boston had 8 kids getting a check for Add etc. It is also a supplement for low income if you have a medical issue. Many Drug addicts on clinics were qualified for this check in mass. but that has been revised . addiction = disability. They were thrown off but not all. It can be up to about $900 a month. all you need to do is find a dr. willing to fill out forms favorably.


Thanks and yikes:scared:

[Themis]

what is SSI? thanks!

Social Security Supplemental Income.

That is not the same as Social Security Disability Benefits.

Just 'google' social security and you will learn the difference.

I do not believe Haleigh's health problems (Turner's Syndrome and asthma) would necessarily have qualified her for SSI. But who knows, SSI and SSDB each have their share of scam artists collecting. [JMO]

[caphill]

JVM just said Ron Cummings rushed home from work when he was told his daughter was missing.

First I have heard of this.


This is one of many misspeaks from the media. Many continued to refer to Crystal as the ex wife. The media still talks of Ron's drug use and then throws a comment in at the end that all charges against him were dropped.

If the charges were dropped and he has no record of drug use, why does the media continue to spew the drug use rumors.

I can see the legal records here on this message board but the media can't get make any efort to pull the records and report accurately on what those records show.

I guess that is why I hate tabloid reporting?

[Motomom]

I have lost count now.
Does this make it version #4 or #5? :confused:

The number is more like in the 1,000's..jvm is more inaccurate than accurate IMO. I take everything she says with a few grains of salt or more..

[KatyDid]

Hi, Katy!
Maybe LE is looking for inconsistent statements. Do you think they questioned him again because of the interview with Geraldo over the weekend?

That thought crossed my mind too. Maybe he said something in that interview that was inconsistent with what he told them in previous interviews. I appears that way to me.

[IlliniFan]

Chad was supposedly questioned today, told Geraldo that Ron told him he was 75% sure who took Haleigh. Ron did deny that.

But, that might be one of the reasons he is being questioned????


just a guess, who knows...!!

[KatyDid]

Next time you listen to it, disregard the specific words & pay careful attention to the tone of his voice.

I do not hear quavering, shaking, panic or upset in the TONE of his voice - not even when he is threatening to kill someone. I don't hear the pitch of his voice rise or fall. I don't hear him choking up. The quality of the tone of his voice is very consistent.

And that bothers me. I've made some phone calls to 911 before in some situations that were true emergencies. In each & every case, no matter how much I was trying to stay calm, stay focused, concentrate on listening to the 911 operator & making sure I could give her solid information - I STILL had a couple of sentences come out where my voice started breaking, sounding quavery/shaky, etc.

JMO

Hi Mimi!
He sounded really angry to me. I will do as you suggest and listen to the call again.

Did you hear about the little brother, Junior, saying a man wearing all black clothes took Haleigh? I wonder why Junior didn't get up and say something to Misti.

[KatyDid]

Chad was supposedly questioned today, told Geraldo that Ron told him he was 75% sure who took Haleigh. Ron did deny that.

But, that might be one of the reasons he is being questioned????


just a guess, who knows...!!

That could be it. I hadn't thought about that angle. It would explain bringing them both in on the same day.

[odyssey]

Supplemental Security Income (I think) It is a money granted to Children with a disability, ie ADD AHDD It is very much abused in Massachusetts. one women in Boston had 8 kids getting a check for Add etc. It is also a supplement for low income if you have a medical issue. Many Drug addicts on clinics were qualified for this check in mass. but that has been revised . addiction = disability. They were thrown off but not all. It can be up to about $900 a month. all you need to do is find a dr. willing to fill out forms favorably.

I am disabled and my ssi is forty dollars a month lol
perhaps i should have been a drug addict or had add :biggrin:

[kitty1182]

Here is MO..I have looked at all the tapes..
I don't trust Ron or Misty....Something is fishy here..
IMO, MOO

I hope I'm not right, but I'm thinking of a scam to get money...
Sorry, this is what I feel..IMO

[KatyDid]

How old is Junior?

[Motomom]

Chad was supposedly questioned today, told Geraldo that Ron told him he was 75% sure who took Haleigh. Ron did deny that.

But, that might be one of the reasons he is being questioned????


just a guess, who knows...!!

Hmm maybe they should hook them both up to a lie detecter just for that question.

[breeze53]

Here is MO..I have looked at all the tapes..
I don't trust Ron or Misty....Something is fishy here..
IMO, MOO



Right there with you:ohmy:

[iluvmua]

Hi Mimi!
He sounded really angry to me. I will do as you suggest and listen to the call again.

Did you hear about the little brother, Junior, saying a man wearing all black clothes took Haleigh? I wonder why Junior didn't get up and say something to Misti.

Maybe the person who took Haleigh threated to harm/kill her if the brother said anything.

[FrankieBones1]

In a recent interview, Ron was asked if he had another child (besides Haleigh and Junior) and he was evasive. He said, "Possibly".

Does he not know if Amber's child is his or not? What a strange case.

[bluwaters]

Haleigh's mom's fiance was questioned by LE today. This is according to Jane Valez Mitchell on HNL just now. Sounds like LE is questioning everyone no matter how remote. Good on them.

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)

I know, y'all are rolling your eyes at me now. :rolleyes:
I can't let it go until someone at least looks at this!
I'm really bothered by this guy, even though I am certain that LE has checked out the RSO's who may be related to the family.
Throw soft pillows only please. I have a headache.

Where is Haleigh?

[iluvmua]

How old is Junior?

I believe he is 4

[Themis]

Chad was supposedly questioned today, told Geraldo that Ron told him he was 75% sure who took Haleigh. Ron did deny that.

But, that might be one of the reasons he is being questioned????


just a guess, who knows...!!
I sure hope LE is video taping ALL these interviews. Yes, IlliniFan, I agree LE pulled both men in to straighten out yet another discrepancy.

This time, however, it is a major discrepancy. One of them is lying. Can't get around it. This discrepancy cannot be passed off as being confused by panic, urgency, etc. [JMO]

[FrankieBones1]

Maybe the person who took Haleigh threated to harm/kill her if the brother said anything.Like the Utah case.

[march27]

I would like to see their rooms.. They may have slept in the same room because of his night work.. Heck, I have 3 kids, 3 bedrooms and 5 out of 7 days, I have at least 2 kids in bed with me..go figure.

From what I read on DCFs website for Florida cosleeping is only not allowed with foster children. Dont know about custody arrangements though. I was going to say also my daughter ends up in my bed everynight somehow and my son would also if he could learn how to escape his crib, they're like little ninjas.

[kitty1182]

Right there with you:ohmy:

Drug dealers do NOT want kids.......

I hope I'm wrong, but could this be a scam for fame and money? IMO

[iluvmua]

something about Ron and Misty rubs me the wrong way.

Has Ron been lying about anything?

[KatyDid]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)

I know, y'all are rolling your eyes at me now. :rolleyes:
I can't let it go until someone at least looks at this!
I'm really bothered by this guy, even though I am certain that LE has checked out the RSO's who may be related to the family.
Throw soft pillows only please. I have a headache.

Where is Haleigh?

:scared: WOW!!! I wonder if there is a connection. Surely they would have said something.

[Mimi428]

Chad was supposedly questioned today, told Geraldo that Ron told him he was 75% sure who took Haleigh. Ron did deny that.

But, that might be one of the reasons he is being questioned????


just a guess, who knows...!!

I think that is certainly possible. I would be verysurprised if today was the very first time Chad was questioned.

IIRC, Crystal & Chad live 100+ miles away. I'm taking a guess that if LE was quickly able to verify that they were in their home vicinity during the night in question, that they would not be the immediate focus. I also imagine LE did some thorough checking to verify their claims on where they were that night.

I don't think Crystal is a saint & I doubt very seriously that the children would be in a substantially better situation if they had been living with her. The horror of all of this is that it doesn't appear the children had any options at all for living in a safe, secure environment with adults who gave a crap about putting their welfare first.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713
((snipped a bit))]LE should be looking into this, Bluwaters. Maybe they have already and they haven't told the media yet.

[Beach~Tenant]

1. Smoking in the state of Florida under the age of 18 yrs is illegal. The girlfriend is captured on film smoking, smoking, smoking. What reason do the police allow for this?

2. I lived in Panama before, during and after the invasion. After the invasion there were alot of break-ins. A man broke into my two story four bedroom home and ransacked it. He entered my bedroom and while I was sleeping, removed my wedding rings from my hand!

I had four little kids in the house and my hubby and I were light sleepers (we thought) due to listening for one of the kids in the night.

Neither one of us woke up! It was very disturbing then and even now I struggle with the thought that a robber handled my arms hand and fingers and we didn't even move a muscle.

If that happened to me, then it is possible that it could have happened to the babysitter.

OMG, thats horrible :ohmy: I am so sorry to hear you went thru this!

[Themis]

In a recent interview, Ron was asked if he had another child (besides Haleigh and Junior) and he was evasive. He said, "Possibly".

Does he not know if Amber's child is his or not? What a strange case.
Well, all I can say is that RC had paternity tests to validate that 5 year old Haleigh and Junior who just turned 4 were his. What a busy bee RC is. [JMO]

[CC I See]

Just thinking back to hearing the dad in the background on the 911 call by Misty. He used some very foul language, even calling Misty a name. IMO, that is abusive....... I wonder what he called Haleigh when she wet the bed.:mad:

[KatyDid]

I believe he is 4

TY for the reply. So he is old enough to know if the person was a stranger or somebody he had seen before.

[iluvmua]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)

I know, y'all are rolling your eyes at me now. :rolleyes:
I can't let it go until someone at least looks at this!
I'm really bothered by this guy, even though I am certain that LE has checked out the RSO's who may be related to the family.
Throw soft pillows only please. I have a headache.

Where is Haleigh?

I hope LE has looked into this guy

[iluvmua]

TY for the reply. So he is old enough to know if the person was a stranger or somebody he had seen before.

It's very possible

[bluwaters]

:scared: WOW!!! I wonder if there is a connection. Surely they would have said something.
Thanks KatyDid.
That was the 3rd time I had posted Samuel buster Griffis.
It made me sit up straight when I came across him.
I appreciate it that you do not have me on ignore! :w00t:
but, you are right.
Surely, surely he's been checked out.

[KatyDid]

...... I wonder what he called Haleigh when she wet the bed.:mad:

:sad: oh my, I can't go there with that thought. I really bothered me he felt the need to use the ugly language with Misti and 911. I agree we all behave differently crisis, but there was something with him that bothered me. I think it was hearing how much anger he had in his voice.

[odyssey]

Well, all I can say is that RC had paternity tests to validate that 5 year old Haleigh and Junior who just turned 4 were his. What a busy bee RC is. [JMO]

You would make the same busy bee comment about Crystal, too .. right?

moo

[Barbara fl.]

I just hear on HLN that Ron received the call while at work that Haleigh was missing and he raced home...I was under the impression that Misty waited till he got home from work before telling him that his daughter was missing.....Not that it means anything....but I always thought that Misty just waited for Ron to get home at his usual time.....

[TunaMelt]

Just thinking back to hearing the dad in the background on the 911 call by Misty. He used some very foul language, even calling Misty a name. IMO, that is abusive.

Agree with that Katy. It's MO, too.

Even though it was on a 911 call, and people say the wildest things on 911 calls I know, this rolled out of his mouth like it's been rolling out of his mouth for quite some time. It's a safe bet to say this guy is verbally abusive.

The words he used on that call come naturally to him IMO, and that's abusive and wrong.

[odyssey]

...... I wonder what he called Haleigh when she wet the bed.:mad:

My ex has been (and sometimes still is) very verbally abusive to me but never to his kids. So one does not always lead to the other.

[summer4meplz]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)

I know, y'all are rolling your eyes at me now. :rolleyes:
I can't let it go until someone at least looks at this!
I'm really bothered by this guy, even though I am certain that LE has checked out the RSO's who may be related to the family.
Throw soft pillows only please. I have a headache.

Where is Haleigh?


wow Blu....so crystal's fiancee is not only her stepbrother but also a sex offender?....:w00t:

[kitty1182]

I agree-drug dealers want -drugs/money -they do NOT want children!
Fame and fortune-you could be right!!
I just don't know if we can "trust" any of them..and that is sad!

I'm not buying into any of their stories............:no:

[Barbara fl.]

:sad: oh my, I can't go there with that thought. I really bothered me he felt the need to use the ugly language with Misti and 911. I agree we all behave differently crisis, but there was something with him that bothered me. I think it was hearing how much anger he had in his voice.



Not for anything....but I believe I would have had the same exact amount of anger....I would have gone totally off on the person who was supposed to be watching her...it would be only human to do that....you want to blame someone for this.....But that's just me....

[summer4meplz]

Agree with that Katy. It's MO, too.

Even though it was on a 911 call, and people say the wildest things on 911 calls I know, this rolled out of his mouth like it's been rolling out of his mouth for quite some time. It's a safe bet to say this guy is verbally abusive.

The words he used on that call come naturally to him IMO, and that's abusive and wrong.


and why didn't we hear Junior crying in the background?

[Themis]

You would make the same busy bee comment about Crystal, too .. right?

moo
Sure would! 3 children by 2 different men - never been married that I have read. [JMO]

[TunaMelt]

I agree-drug dealers want -drugs/money -they do NOT want children!
Fame and fortune-you could be right!!
I just don't know if we can "trust" any of them..and that is sad!

That's what is so frightening to me.

If it were someone who wanted to teach him a lesson re: drugs or whatever, they wouldn't keep her for this long.

:sad:
It's not good.

[KatyDid]

Agree with that Katy. It's MO, too.

Even though it was on a 911 call, and people say the wildest things on 911 calls I know, this rolled out of his mouth like it's been rolling out of his mouth for quite some time. It's a safe bet to say this guy is verbally abusive.

The words he used on that call come naturally to him IMO, and that's abusive and wrong.

That's how it hit me too. Like he called Misti the bee word all the time. It bothered me a lot.

[bluwaters]

:sad: oh my, I can't go there with that thought. I really bothered me he felt the need to use the ugly language with Misti and 911. I agree we all behave differently crisis, but there was something with him that bothered me. I think it was hearing how much anger he had in his voice.

Cursing and using foul language is one thing.
Directing it at someone is verbal abuse.
I don't care what they are used to.
It should not happen in front of children.
It is degrading and disrespectful.
No one should be accustomed to be talked to that way or speaking to another like that.
It's abuse.

[TunaMelt]

and why didn't we hear Junior crying in the background?

Because Ron was yelling so loudly on the phone?

I don't know.
I didn't say anything about Jr.
I was talking about him being verbally abusive.

[Myka]

Good Evening Folks

I'm way behind with today's news, but wondered if you have all seen this.Ron was picked up LE and driven down to the dock near his trailor. Reporter makes note of Ron handing a piece of paper over to LE. Along with Ron's questioning today, as you must know by now, Chad was questioned also. I suspect it was to Ron's 75% comment.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html


moo

she's going to marry her mother's step son? aka her step brother? :unsure:

[Speedy30]

Drug dealers do NOT want kids.......

I hope I'm wrong, but could this be a scam for fame and money? IMO

Remember Cole Puffinberger? If I recall, he was abducted because his grandfathers drug debts, thankfully he was found alive, a true rare miracle.

[kellabeck]

What bothers me is all the chaos that so many children are brought into and subjected to.

If adults want to create lives that are like low-rent soap operas, I don't care. Why bring children into it?

[TunaMelt]

Cursing and using foul language is one thing.
Directing it at someone is verbal abuse.
I don't care what they are used to.
It should not happen in front of children.
It is degrading and disrespectful.
No one should be accustomed to be talked to that way or speaking to another like that.
It's abuse.

:thumbup:

You couldn't be more right.
I totally agree.

[KatyDid]

and why didn't we hear Junior crying in the background?

Good point! With all the yelling and screaming and a man coming into the house to take his ister, he should have been upset. :confused:

[Speedy30]

she's going to marry her mother's step son? aka her step brother? :unsure:

I really dont see the huge deal, its not like they are blood related, and they have a child together.

[bluwaters]

wow Blu....so crystal's fiancee is not only her stepbrother but also a sex offender?....:w00t:

No, no, no!!!
He is someone who shares the same surname as Crystal's stepbrother/fiance. I do not know their relationship.
Griffis is a big name in Glen St Mary.
A Griffis family settled that area in the early - mid 1800's.
LOL!

[TunaMelt]

What bothers me is all the chaos that so many children are brought into and subjected to.

If adults want to create lives that are like low-rent soap operas, I don't care. Why bring children into it?

Exactly, kella.

Do they not know how not to have children?

It's not that hard.

I don't give a dam what they do either, except when they do what they do they ought to use something to prevent pregnancy.

The word "Trojan" comes to mind.
:rolleyes:

[breeze53]

Drug dealers do NOT want kids.......

I hope I'm wrong, but could this be a scam for fame and money? IMO


Nothing would surprise me in this case NOTHING:rolleyes:

[KatyDid]

Cursing and using foul language is one thing.
Directing it at someone is verbal abuse.
I don't care what they are used to.
It should not happen in front of children.
It is degrading and disrespectful.
No one should be accustomed to be talked to that way or speaking to another like that.
It's abuse.

Ditto!!! Thank you for saying it like that. That is what I think too. ITA, it is verbal abuse. From what I have read, verbal abuse isn't far from physical abuse.

[sunstar]

:sad: oh my, I can't go there with that thought. I really bothered me he felt the need to use the ugly language with Misti and 911. I agree we all behave differently crisis, but there was something with him that bothered me. I think it was hearing how much anger he had in his voice.

Hi Katy! :seeya: I so agree; it was very disturbing to listen to. I've relistened to the tapes a few times and it seems when Misty was on the phone with the operator, it's like he's looking for something in the house in the background, like cupboard doors being opened and shut? Maybe to get rid of something before LE shows up? I don't know if anybody else noticed this. :sneaky: MOO

[bluwaters]

Sure would! 3 children by 2 different men - never been married that I have read. [JMO]
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :smile:

[iluvmua]

Exactly, kella.

Do they not know how not to have children?

It's not that hard.

I don't give a dam what they do either, except when they do what they do they ought to use something to prevent pregnancy.

The word "Trojan" comes to mind.
:rolleyes:

or Birth Control

[jakee]

Remember Cole Puffinberger? If I recall, he was abducted because his grandfathers drug debts, thankfully he was found alive, a true rare miracle.

Thank you. I have been trying to remember that young boy's name. It really was a miracle story.

[odyssey]

she's going to marry her mother's step son? aka her step brother? :unsure:

well .. yeah .. i guess .. i mean they do have the baby girl together and all. ... not to be funny but that would like make him uncle daddy to her right?


moo

[summer4meplz]

No, no, no!!!
He is someone who shares the same surname as Crystal's stepbrother/fiance. I do not know their relationship.
Griffis is a big name in Glen St Mary.
A Griffis family settled that area in the early - mid 1800's.


ok...thanks....yes to stepbrother...no to sex offender...

[5boxersmom]

I ask this last night but never got an answer. Wasn't it posted with a link that Crystal's mother had been arrested for drugs also? If so how can she be a School Bus Driver? :confused:

[iluvmua]

so Crystal and Step Brother have a child together? :confused:

[bluwaters]

Remember Cole Puffinberger? If I recall, he was abducted because his grandfathers drug debts, thankfully he was found alive, a true rare miracle.
Yes, it was a miracle.
Big money was involved in that.
I just don't think that Ron is any kind of big time drug dealer.
In fact, I think that he is guy who is trying to make an honest living for the sake of his kids.

[kitty1182]

Remember Cole Puffinberger? If I recall, he was abducted because his grandfathers drug debts, thankfully he was found alive, a true rare miracle.

Yes, but that was in the amount of million of dollars..I don't think Ron or Misty were that deep in the drug cartell...

[TunaMelt]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :smile:

a girl must be like a blossom
with honey for just one man;

a man must be like honey bee
and gather all he can.

:wink:
A man wrote that.

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace is on! :smile:

[kitty1182]

Nothing would surprise me in this case NOTHING:rolleyes:



Me either .............

[n/t]

I'm not buying into any of their stories............:no:

It keeps getting worse everyday. Maybe eventually the truth will come out? How long will that take? They seem to have selective memory.

Where's Haleigh? :mad:

[odyssey]

Hi Katy! :seeya: I so agree; it was very disturbing to listen to. I've relistened to the tapes a few times and it seems when Misty was on the phone with the operator, it's like he's looking for something in the house in the background, like cupboard doors being opened and shut? Maybe to get rid of something before LE shows up? I don't know if anybody else noticed this. :sneaky: MOO

.....or maybe looking for his daughter??


moo

[breeze53]

Hi Katy! :seeya: I so agree; it was very disturbing to listen to. I've relistened to the tapes a few times and it seems when Misty was on the phone with the operator, it's like he's looking for something in the house in the background, like cupboard doors being opened and shut? Maybe to get rid of something before LE shows up? I don't know if anybody else noticed this. :sneaky: MOO



My biggest question is Why didn't Ron call 911?

[Themis]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)

I know, y'all are rolling your eyes at me now. :rolleyes:
I can't let it go until someone at least looks at this!
I'm really bothered by this guy, even though I am certain that LE has checked out the RSO's who may be related to the family.
Throw soft pillows only please. I have a headache.

Where is Haleigh?
I note that the Adjudication Date for the offense goes back to 1997.

He would have been 23 (give or take a year) and the minor was under 16.

His DOB is 9-8-74. He is now 34 years old.

This current registration is 3-4-08; it could have been due to his changing permanent addresses.

Why is he smiling in the photo?:thumbdown: [JMO]

[KatyDid]

Hi Katy! :seeya: I so agree; it was very disturbing to listen to. I've relistened to the tapes a few times and it seems when Misty was on the phone with the operator, it's like he's looking for something in the house in the background, like cupboard doors being opened and shut? Maybe to get rid of something before LE shows up? I don't know if anybody else noticed this. :sneaky: MOO

Hello Friend sunstar!! :biggrin:

I didn't catch the background noise. I'll have to listen again. Good catch on your part.

[Lorakai]

Good point! With all the yelling and screaming and a man coming into the house to take his ister, he should have been upset. :confused:

Good points, but maybe the child was "desensitized" to that sort of behavior because it happens all the time in the house. I would think the child just might just be sitting there watching everything maybe taking it all in?

[kitty1182]

It keeps getting worse everyday. Maybe eventually the truth will come out? How long will that take? They seem to have selective memory.

Where's Haleigh? :mad:

I believe Ron knows where she is...........IMO

[Motomom]

Not for anything....but I believe I would have had the same exact amount of anger....I would have gone totally off on the person who was supposed to be watching her...it would be only human to do that....you want to blame someone for this.....But that's just me....

I'm with you Barbara. It's a bit worrysome that so many people wouldn't be or sound angry when their child goes missing.. he smokes and curses.. I say fry him :rolleyes:

[odyssey]

so Crystal and Step Brother have a child together? :confused:

yes... Chloe ... 10 mionths old

[iluvmua]

Me either, kitty!! I want Haleigh found, I want them to tell the truth!!

Stories don't add up at all. WAY to many holes if you ask me.

[bluwaters]

I ask this last night but never got an answer. Wasn't it posted with a link that Crystal's mother had been arrested for drugs also? If so how can she be a School Bus Driver? :confused:

Was she convicted?
I didn't look at her record.
She would be subject to random drug testing as a school bus driver in this county.
I am sure that she had to pass a drug test to be hired.

[Mimi428]

Well, have they questioned this guy?

Registered Sex Offender
Samuel buster Griffis
of Glen St Mary, FL
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713

Glen St Mary being the home of Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandmother), Crystal, and Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance)



I cannot post the address that is listed for Marie Griffis (because the moderator will whup me if I do), but if you do a Zabasearch, she does have an address listed in the same town.

And if you get directions from her location to the address listed for Sam Buster Griffis - it is just under 8 miles away.

JMO

[Motomom]

Hi Katy! :seeya: I so agree; it was very disturbing to listen to. I've relistened to the tapes a few times and it seems when Misty was on the phone with the operator, it's like he's looking for something in the house in the background, like cupboard doors being opened and shut? Maybe to get rid of something before LE shows up? I don't know if anybody else noticed this. :sneaky: MOO

Maybe he was still looking for his missing child?? I would look in every nook and cranny.. cabinets.. anywhere a child could fit I would look.. wouldn't you?

[KatyDid]

so Crystal and Step Brother have a child together? :confused:

Oh my, I didn't realize the step brother/fiance was also the other child's father. :scared: JMO

[Motomom]

Yes, but that was in the amount of million of dollars..I don't think Ron or Misty were that deep in the drug cartell...

I doubt it.. all we know is he was caught with less then, or a little more tan 20 grams of marijuana in 2004.

[bluwaters]

Not for anything....but I believe I would have had the same exact amount of anger....I would have gone totally off on the person who was supposed to be watching her...it would be only human to do that....you want to blame someone for this.....But that's just me....
You know, if he had just come into the house as Misty was calling 911, an intruder had been there and one child was gone, wouldn't he have had concern for Misty? How did he know that she hadn't been injured?

I think that Ron loves his kids.
Misty? Not so much. :unsure:

[Motomom]

My biggest question is Why didn't Ron call 911?


He was walking in the door.. i would imagine that he went to look for himself.. maybe that's why she called?

[kitty1182]

I doubt it.. all we know is he was caught with less then, or a little more tan 20 grams of marijuana in 2004.

IMO, Ron and Misty are NOT telling the truth..MOO

[cloe23]

I am disabled and my ssi is forty dollars a month lol
perhaps i should have been a drug addict or had add :biggrin:

First, sorry for your condition. Second, the amount of SSDI that the disabled receives monthly... has a cut off point. Like say, someone has never worked a day in their life opposed to someone who has worked their azz off since 14yrs of age and suddenly can no longer work.
The person with long history of employment receives more then a child(person) or lazy bum per SE, The amount that they paid in prior to the accident is reflected on their monthly benefit .
So from the previous posts regarding disability, I take it as Haleigh receiving this benefit????
Very sad.

[HumblePie]

I'm going to be sick. How dare NG bring up Elizabeth Smart, after that horrific interview. NG knows no bounds and NO shame. :thumbdown:

[Themis]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :smile:
You bet! You are right on when you say: What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I completely agree with TunaMelt's post #535. [JMO]

[bluwaters]

ok...thanks....yes to stepbrother...no to sex offender...

:lol: I think that is how it goes.
I don't want to be the one to start a brand new rumor!

[Motomom]

IMO, Ron and Misty are NOT telling the truth..MOO

Kitty, that has nothing to do with his charges of marijuana from 2004. IMO Ron is telling the truth.. maybe not so much Misty. He may have an idea of who took her though, just from maybe the people he has known?

[KatyDid]

So Crystal DID take a LDT.

[Lorakai]

He was walking in the door.. i would imagine that he went to look for himself.. maybe that's why she called?

I was thinking did we hear Ron calling out Haleigh's name at all? Either outside or while he was inside the house? I know I would be yelling my daughters name over and over, in the backyard, under everything, in everything while, I would imagine to search every nook and cranny in the house would take some time. I figured out from creating my timeline that Ron hung up on 911 not just once, but twice. Also, when Misty was asked pointblank by 911, did it look like an intruder came into the house? Misty responded "um, hold on..." it was right after that response that Ron came to the phone and hung up on 911 for the second time, the question was never answered.

[Themis]

First, sorry for your condition. Second, the amount of SSDI that the disabled receives monthly... has a cut off point. Like say, someone has never worked a day in their life opposed to someone who has worked their azz off since 14yrs of age and suddenly can no longer work.
The person with long history of employment receives more then a child(person) or lazy bum per SE, The amount that they paid in prior to the accident is reflected on their monthly benefit .
So from the previous posts regarding disability, I take it as Haleigh receiving this benefit????
Very sad.
No one knows if Haleigh has ever or is now collecting disability benefits.

You would have to read back a few pages to get the gist of the conversation. [JMO]

[jakee]

a girl must be like a blossom
with honey for just one man;

a man must be like honey bee
and gather all he can.

:wink:
A man wrote that.

:sneaky: I have never heard that little saying before.

[sunstar]

.....or maybe looking for his daughter??


moo

Of course he could've been, but it just sounded like he was looking in cupboards or drawers, that kind of noise. Who knows, I was just curious. :smile:

[Mimi428]

So Crystal DID take a LDT.

Link? Source?

Where did you get that info? TIA

[bluwaters]

I note that the Adjudication Date for the offense goes back to 1997.

He would have been 23 (give or take a year) and the minor was under 16.

His DOB is 9-8-74. He is now 34 years old.

This current registration is 3-4-08; it could have been due to his changing permanent addresses.

Why is he smiling in the photo?:thumbdown: [JMO]

Get this - he has a wife and her name is:




Crystal! :w00t:
She is in her early 20's :laugh:

They live close to Mr and Mrs (Marie Sheffield) Bruce Griffis.

Kitty!
Get your shovel!
There's a lot of digging to be done on this family tree!

[cloe23]

I ask this last night but never got an answer. Wasn't it posted with a link that Crystal's mother had been arrested for drugs also? If so how can she be a School Bus Driver? :confused:

That is her job? I need to re-look her up. So Crystal's mom has a CDL heck maybe she drives a 18wheeler as well?

[jakee]

The guy they are going to arrest in the Chandra Levy murder took an LDT and passed.

:ohmy: Seriously? When? Sorry OT, just interesting to hear of someone who passed one and will be arrested.

[breeze53]

So Crystal DID take a LDT.



She did where did you hear this? thanks!