Saturday 2/21 - #1

[beachpatty]

I didn't see a new thread for today, hence, here it is.

I hope and pray that Heleigh is found, alive and safe, before the sun sets on another day.

Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

I tried to lnk this new thread to yesterday's but that one is closed already, I hope everyone finds their way here.
Beachpatty

[Britney]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!

[rosieposett]

I didn't see a new thread for today, hence, here it is.

I hope and pray that Heleigh is found, alive and safe, before the sun sets on another day.

Beachpatty

That would be a godsend, Beachpatty, I pray for the same. Nice way to start the day out, with a prayer. good morning all by the way

[SavannahStar]

Thanks for getting it. Is there a happy dance thingy?

Nevermind, we don't need one. He does need an attorney. Ever noticed how few folks talk about Ron needing one? Huh? Speaks volumes to me.



*snipped*

In a way that really makes me laugh.....because I've been on this forum since the case began and several days back one post said (paraphrased), "Well ONE thing that points to innocence for me....they haven't lawyered up." And quite a few posters agreed with that!

:cool:

[rosieposett]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!

Thanks for that article, Britney. :thumbup:

[WillowInFlight]

*snipped*

In a way that really makes me laugh.....because I've been on this forum since the case began and several days back one post said (paraphrased), "Well ONE thing that points to innocence for me....they haven't lawyered up." And quite a few posters agreed with that!

:cool:
Good Morning Savannah, Haven't checked in since yesterday morning, anything new? Whats the latest on Misty?.

[WillowInFlight]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!
Thanks for the link, I never once thought they were involved. I'm just praying this angel is still alive.

[SavannahStar]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!

This has been posted before. IIRC, the conversation by some was that this is not accurate...that AMW had probably gotten their info from erroneous news reports, some of which stated that Misty said she'd been "cleared".

I tend to believe they are not guilty of anything, and the report is probably correct. However, just giving a fair warning of what may be posted in response later.

[Britney]

I have always found AMW to be completely accurate in their reporting.

[SavannahStar]

Actually I don't remember seeing the "police confirmed" part of that report discussed before, but I do recall something like "AMW reported that they passed their polys." Anyway, I was just letting you know about previous discussions about it.

I hope that is accurate. I see no reason to disbelieve it, myself.

[Kelly3820]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!



Well I wonder what is Gearldo going to say about that. For me this goes along way and that they have been questioned without any lawyers.

[bluwaters]

Good morning.

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Actually I don't remember seeing the "police confirmed" part of that report discussed before, but I do recall something like "AMW reported that they passed their polys." Anyway, I was just letting you know about previous discussions about it.

I hope that is accurate. I see no reason to disbelieve it, myself.

I personally think if Misty had anything to hide it would have come out by now.

[SavannahStar]

I personally think if Misty had anything to hide it would have come out by now.


Hey Willow, good morning! I agree!

[rosieposett]

I personally think if Misty had anything to hide it would have come out by now.

She has probably been pushed harder with questions than we know by LE. She appears to be holding her own, with officials I mean.

[SavannahStar]

That AMW program was aired last Sat.evening, and since then LE has never backed up that report. In fact, at all the pressers, never once have I heard anyone's LD results from LE.

Until I hear an official word from the authorities, I'll abide by what they have been saying. Everyone is a suspect.

moo

My predictions are accurate! :smile:

Mornin Swarovski!

More times than I can count I posted "I need confirmation before I believe it" (in other cases) and sure got slammed for that.

I won't slam ya though....you're entitled to your opinion.

:seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Hey Willow, good morning! I agree!

WTH am I doing up at this time of the morning on my day off? LOL. I don't know if Misty was home or not when this happened, but I think it would have happened regardless. Someone IMO was staking that place out. What a scary world we live in.

[WillowInFlight]

My predictions are accurate!

Mornin Swarovski!

More times than I can count I posted "I need confirmation before I believe it" (in other cases) and sure got slammed for that.

I won't slam ya though....you're entitled to your opinion.

:seeya:

Isn't that the truth :laugh:, Bless your heart, you always seem to see the light. sooner or later.:wub:

[SavannahStar]

WTH am I doing up at this time of the morning on my day off? LOL. I don't know if Misty was home or not when this happened, but I think it would have happened regardless. Someone IMO was staking that place out. What a scary world we live in.


HUGE DITTO! I think I am going back to bed for a bit.....I had to get up to make sure DS got up....he has a side job today. *yawn*

Yes, it is a scary world!

I tend to believe that Misty did NOT go out. Gut feeling, maybe.

The whole case is just too strange. I do think Haleigh is dead though. :sad:

[Katt2]

At this point, I cannot see a reason for Ronald or even Misty to need a lawyer. There is a little concern over Misty's ever changing stories but that could be due to her young age and her horror at what happened when she was in charge.
But let's face it, if they did need a lawyer this is an economically depressed area and I doubt there are lawyers knocking on their door begging to take the case pro bono or as paid consultants as in some other high profile cases just because they want the notoriety that goes with it.
LE and rightfully so, is not making Haleigh's disappearance a major media event. They keep her name out there and any new info that may aid in finding her.

[WillowInFlight]

HUGE DITTO! I think I am going back to bed for a bit.....I had to get up to make sure DS got up....he has a side job today. *yawn*

Yes, it is a scary world!

I tend to believe that Misty did NOT go out. Gut feeling, maybe.

The whole case is just too strange. I do think Haleigh is dead though. :sad:

WOW that was a jolt, you're the first person I read to actually say it. :crying: I just can't go there yet.

[WillowInFlight]

At this point, I cannot see a reason for Ronald or even Misty to need a lawyer. There is a little concern over Misty's ever changing stories but that could be due to her young age and her horror at what happened when she was in charge.
But let's face it, if they did need a lawyer this is an economically depressed area and I doubt there are lawyers knocking on their door begging to take the case pro bono or as paid consultants as in some other high profile cases just because they want the notoriety that goes with it.
LE and rightfully so, is not making Haleigh's disappearance a major media event. They keep her name out there and any new info that may aid in finding her.

Maybe Jose Baez could take time out of his busy schedule. "economically depressed area" should not be playing a factor in this. There is a missing child FGS.

[rosieposett]

WTH am I doing up at this time of the morning on my day off? LOL. I don't know if Misty was home or not when this happened, but I think it would have happened regardless. Someone IMO was staking that place out. What a scary world we live in.

Morning Willow. Scary world is right. I don't know if Misty was home or not either. I tend to think she was.

BTW: If I can ask, without intruding, are you the poster who had a tagline "I will always love you Smoky"? I am sorry if I have you mixed up with another poster. I just always loved reading that line and now I don't see it anymore. thx.

[Katt2]

Maybe Jose Baez could take time out of his busy schedule. "economically depressed area" should not be playing a factor in this. There is a missing child FGS.

I hope you did not misunderstand what I meant by economically depressed area. My only intent was that a lawyer would not find this case attractive to further their own agenda not that it should have a bearing on finding the poor child.

[WillowInFlight]

Morning Willow. Scary world is right. I don't know if Misty was home or not either. I tend to think she was.

BTW: If I can ask, without intruding, are you the poster who had a tagline "I will always love you Smoky"? I am sorry if I have you mixed up with another poster. I just always loved reading that line and now I don't see it anymore. thx.

Yes I am, I did change it, but rest assure Smoky is forever in my heart. In fact every morning I light a candle and lay out a dish. I know I'm weird. :w00t:

[SavannahStar]

WOW that was a jolt, you're the first person I read to actually say it. :crying: I just can't go there yet.


I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.

I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.

:sad:

[rosieposett]

Yes I am, I did change it, but rest assure Smoky is forever in my heart. In fact every morning I light a candle and lay out a dish. I know I'm weird. :w00t:

No, no. You are not weird, not at all. I can certainly identify with those feelings. It's a warm emotion to have someone/something so close and dear to ourhearts. It adds to our lives. Thank you for answering. Now I have a warm spot for Smoky too.

[WillowInFlight]

I hope you did not misunderstand what I meant by economically depressed area. My only intent was that a lawyer would not find this case attractive to further their own agenda not that it should have a bearing on finding the poor child.

I understood what you said, I just find it sad. The agenda should be, that there is a missing child, not dollar signs. I could care less if they are less educated, there is a missing baby, and these people are being judged on who and what they are, I just find that wrong. I'm not saying what you say is wrong, Please don't ever think that.

[rosieposett]

I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.

I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.

:sad:

Hi Savannah. I am beginning to come around to your way of thinking. I don't want to admit it but cold facts are cold facts. You said it in a nice way...it's been so long, where could she be?

[WillowInFlight]

I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.

I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.

:sad:
I really hate that I think you're right. And I really hate that we can't keep our children safe. :crying:

[WillowInFlight]

Hi Savannah. I am beginning to come around to your way of thinking. I don't want to admit it but cold facts are cold facts. You said it in a nice way...it's been so long, where could she be?

It's the not knowing, I pray to God that this isn't another Trenton, this family needs some sort of closure.

[spageddy]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!


"being satified with the results"- doesn't say "cleared" to me. I think it means that the test worked the way it was supposed to work.
I personally don't think Ron & Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction. I think they do know something- maybe without realizing it- that can be important to the case. I think that's why LE has questioned Misty several times. She's 17. She's scared.She's probably confused as to what really happened that night. And she's probably been told it's her fault.
For what it's worth- I still hold out hope that Haleigh is alive.

[NYGalPal]

I just watched the news report on the Today Show. Why did Haleigh miss 22 days of school this year?

Maybe she wasn't be cared for and someone decided to take to her a better home? I don't want to believe she is dead yet.

[Texas48]

Thanks for the link, I never once thought they were involved. I'm just praying this angel is still alive.Good morning All...Willow..Willow..Willow..What am I doing over here on this board? After all these past years of following horrific cases and then little Caylee really took a toll on me and my heart I promised myself I would not follow another "missing" child case. Now look at me..lol ..Thank goodness for blood pressure medicine..So here we are once again PRAYING for a beautiful little girl. When will all this evil stop? Hope we have GOOD news today.

[rosieposett]

It's the not knowing, I pray to God that this isn't another Trenton, this family needs some sort of closure.

I know, I know. I am not a violent person, but I could just rip the face off people who do this to little children. I have cried for Haleigh and prayed for Haleigh and good lord I don't know what else to do but be here among others who feel the same way. I have tears running down my cheeks just typing this. Just think how the loved ones feel. Closure is what they need that's for sure.

[Texas48]

This has been posted before. IIRC, the conversation by some was that this is not accurate...that AMW had probably gotten their info from erroneous news reports, some of which stated that Misty said she'd been "cleared".

I tend to believe they are not guilty of anything, and the report is probably correct. However, just giving a fair warning of what may be posted in response later.Morning to you SS. I am glad you posted this as I was somewhat confused (nothing new) I could not ubderstand why LE had not come out and made the statement that both had passed LDT. I also hope neither are involved but as we have all seen before...ya never know.jmo

[zinnia]

At least no one waited 31 days to start looking for her. My gut says she is still alive and there is hope for her to come home. 31 days can make all the difference.

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning All...Willow..Willow..Willow..What am I doing over here on this board? After all these past years of following horrific cases and then little Caylee really took a toll on me and my heart I promised myself I would not follow another "missing" child case. Now look at me..lol ..Thank goodness for blood pressure medicine..So here we are once again PRAYING for a beautiful little girl. When will all this evil stop? Hope we have GOOD news today.
I never thought after Caylee I could ever get involved again. I see that child in my sleep. But the heart never stops hurting does it? Strange how we cry for strangers. Sit close to me friend. :wub:

[Texas48]

Actually I don't remember seeing the "police confirmed" part of that report discussed before, but I do recall something like "AMW reported that they passed their polys." Anyway, I was just letting you know about previous discussions about it.

I hope that is accurate. I see no reason to disbelieve it, myself.I quess over the years I tend to only believe something when it comes directly from LE. LE has had several pressers and why have they not comfirmed that both passed the LDT?

[Texas48]

HUGE DITTO! I think I am going back to bed for a bit.....I had to get up to make sure DS got up....he has a side job today. *yawn*

Yes, it is a scary world!

I tend to believe that Misty did NOT go out. Gut feeling, maybe.

The whole case is just too strange. I do think Haleigh is dead though. :sad: Hard to say or even think but I do agree that this baby is no longer alive SS.

[WillowInFlight]

I know, I know. I am not a violent person, but I could just rip the face off people who do this to little children. I have cried for Haleigh and prayed for Haleigh and good lord I don't know what else to do but be here among others who feel the same way. I have tears running down my cheeks just typing this. Just think how the loved ones feel. Closure is what they need that's for sure.

I see Ron and my heart just breaks, You can feel his sense of "for lack of a better word", usefullness. I just can't imagine, I know how I feel if I have a pet loose. God's greatest gift is being a parent, it's also the most heart wrenching gift.

[Katt2]

I understood what you said, I just find it sad. The agenda should be, that there is a missing child, not dollar signs. I could care less if they are less educated, there is a missing baby, and these people are being judged on who and what they are, I just find that wrong. I'm not saying what you say is wrong, Please don't ever think that.

Sadly, I think the only reason the Haleigh case is getting any notice at all is because there is some "family background" to keep the media interested.
Look at little Adji Desir. He is Haitian and there doesn't appear to be anything of interest to the public and he has been all but forgotten.
I pray they find little Haleigh but I don't think it is going to be the way we want her found.

[Texas48]

Yes I am, I did change it, but rest assure Smoky is forever in my heart. In fact every morning I light a candle and lay out a dish. I know I'm weird. :w00t: Thats NOT weird Willow....thats called LOVE forever.

[WillowInFlight]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

Wasn't there a sighting in TN?

[rosieposett]

I see Ron and my heart just breaks, You can feel his sense of "for lack of a better word", usefullness. I just can't imagine, I know how I feel if I have a pet loose. God's greatest gift is being a parent, it's also the most heart wrenching gift.

I find comfort in your words Willow. Thank you.

[n/t]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

Thanks for the link.

Detectives are still "not excluding anybody" as a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Hardy said.

[WillowInFlight]

Sadly, I think the only reason the Haleigh case is getting any notice at all is because there is some "family background" to keep the media interested.
Look at little Adji Desir. He is Haitian and there doesn't appear to be anything of interest to the public and he has been all but forgotten.
I pray they find little Haleigh but I don't think it is going to be the way we want her found.

Aren't they saying that Adji walked away? Not an abduction? Who cares that he is Haitian? He is still a missing child. Not directed at you, just saying.

[Texas48]

I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.

I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.

:sad:
You are correct as usual SS. By the way..did anyone watch the Factor..Oreilly show last night? Geraldo was on and stated he has a photo of this baby that appeared to have been beaten and his staff is investigating other things about the dad and about this photo. Did you hear anything SS?

[Texas48]

I understood what you said, I just find it sad. The agenda should be, that there is a missing child, not dollar signs. I could care less if they are less educated, there is a missing baby, and these people are being judged on who and what they are, I just find that wrong. I'm not saying what you say is wrong, Please don't ever think that.
ITA Willow. I noticed a difference in the media coverage compared to other cases and I was very sad last night when I heard NO ONE came out to help search yesterday. I know LE is doing what they do but where are neighbors..friends..strangers..IMO a difference in cases.

[WillowInFlight]

You are correct as usual SS. By the way..did anyone watch the Factor..Oreilly show last night? Geraldo was on and stated he has a photo of this baby that appeared to have been beaten and his staff is investigating other things about the dad and about this photo. Did you hear anything SS?

I really can't stand that man any more, did he show the photo? This is the same guy who said Caylee may have choked to death on gum or had a heart attack. :rolleyes::laugh:

[Pat]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

This is too rich, LOL! The press, who doesn't hesitate to lie to the public in pursuit of a good story, is miffed 'cause an immature 17-yr old in the middle of a traumatic event didn't get the details right! They hound her, she stumbles, then they make it a big deal. I love it!

The girlfriend has also reportedly told different stories to cops and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were that night.

(I'm making no judgments of any of the family members in this case until LE tells us what they believe happened.)

[Texas48]

I never thought after Caylee I could ever get involved again. I see that child in my sleep. But the heart never stops hurting does it? Strange how we cry for strangers. Sit close to me friend. :wub: So very hard Willow. These cases are breaking my heart every day. It needs to stop. There has to be a way to protect all the children. There just has to be.

[Texas48]

Sadly, I think the only reason the Haleigh case is getting any notice at all is because there is some "family background" to keep the media interested.
Look at little Adji Desir. He is Haitian and there doesn't appear to be anything of interest to the public and he has been all but forgotten.
I pray they find little Haleigh but I don't think it is going to be the way we want her found.
Exactly Katt..When was the last time you heard Adji's name mentioned in the media?

[n/t]

I'm still hoping Haleigh is alive. My theory is that the cousin and Ron did have a fight the day before Haleigh disappeared. He shows up at the home when Ron was at work. Misty lets him in probably unaware of this alleged fight. He proceeds to unlock the back door when Misty was either distracted or it was unlocked because of smoke (cigarette or other) and she probably forgot to lock it when she went to bed.

He took her out of revenge. I think we're slowly starting to see this case unfold with bits and pieces of information.

There are still questions as to why Ron is denying the fight. It does explain Misty's reluctance to either speak up or the inconsistencies in her statements. She may have not known about this alleged fight and Ron may have told her to keep quiet about it for whatever reason. The fight may have been about the gun or something illegal.

I think Misty is finally starting to tell authorities what she knows or suspects. Could be why she's allegedly not with Ron. I haven't seen them together the last few days.

IMO

[kitty1182]

Exactly Katt..When was the last time you heard Adji's name mentioned in the media?

That sweet little boy....I wish his name was out there in the media too.:sad:

Praying Haleigh will be found safe today.....
I'm still not sold on the g/f...I think she knows more than she is telling..imo

[Texas48]

Aren't they saying that Adji walked away? Not an abduction? Who cares that he is Haitian? He is still a missing child. Not directed at you, just saying.Right Willow..and does it matter if he "walked away"...he still needs to be found. He is a missing child. Has the media showed his family crying and begging for information or help day after day? Has anyone donated a Missing children Van w/phone numbers to contact for someone in the family to drive around?

[Texas48]

I really can't stand that man any more, did he show the photo? This is the same guy who said Caylee may have choked to death on gum or had a heart attack. :rolleyes::laugh: I have never been fond of Geraldo but I do watch The Factor. No..Bill OReilly would NOT let him show it untill Fox had time to investigate the photo and also the reports of Ron and criminal records.

[Texas48]

That sweet little boy....I wish his name was out there in the media too.:sad:

Praying Haleigh will be found safe today.....
I'm still not sold on the g/f...I think she knows more than she is telling..imo Ahhhhhh Kitty..you are so wise. ITA

[~jomomma~]

good morning!

something occured to me last night! i don't know if it's been mentioned here but it is possible that misty didn't hear someone in that home that night.

what if....this person waited until one of those trains was coming thru?

we've heard them on NG while people try to talk. i can attest to how loud they are when you live so close to a track.

just a thought!

[beachpatty]

Aren't they saying that Adji walked away? Not an abduction? Who cares that he is Haitian? He is still a missing child. Not directed at you, just saying.



America's Most Wanted was in the Immokalee area yesterday to do a segment on Adji, it was reported on the local news (Channel 2) here yesterday, I believe that segment will air tonight. The local news also reported about 3 weeks ago that the investigation was moving to the Haitian community in Miami, I believe the family has ties there. LE tried in earnest, searching heavily wooded and marshy areas around the farmworkers village. I don't think they stopped searching or that the searches were any less because he is Haitian, they just scaled back because every possible area has been searched. I see posters everywhere for Adji and we are in the Ft. Myers area, probably 40 miles away.I shutter to think he wandered off, we were having cold fronts move thru, at that time, and he was not dressed warmly enough for the cold nights, it was down to 26 degrees here.

I think every missing child deserves the utmost search resources available. I was suprised that there was no turn out for Haleigh searches yesterday, generally it is an overwhelming community effort.
I still shudder when I think of Christopher Barrios, from Brunswick, GA, much like Jessica Lunsford, abducted by someone right across the street.

I am so glad my kids are grown, it's sad that you can't let your kids play in their own yards alone and when you tuck them into bed at night, they aren't safe.

Continued prayers for Haleigh,
Beachpatty

[Katt2]

I'm still hoping Haleigh is alive. My theory is that the cousin and Ron did have a fight the day before Haleigh disappeared. He shows up at the home when Ron was at work. Misty lets him in probably unaware of this alleged fight. He proceeds to unlock the back door when Misty was either distracted or it was unlocked because of smoke (cigarette or other) and she probably forgot to lock it when she went to bed.

He took her out of revenge. I think we're slowly starting to see this case unfold with bits and pieces of information.

There are still questions as to why Ron is denying the fight. It does explain Misty's reluctance to either speak up or the inconsistencies in her statements. She may have not known about this alleged fight and Ron may have told her to keep quiet about it for whatever reason. The fight may have been about the gun or something illegal.

I think Misty is finally starting to tell authorities what she knows or suspects. Could be why she's allegedly not with Ron. I haven't seen them together the last few days.

IMO

Did Ron's mother deny there was a fight on NG last evening or did I hear that elsewhere? I may be confused but I thought she had talked before about a fight and she is now denying it?

[Texas48]

good morning!

something occured to me last night! i don't know if it's been mentioned here but it is possible that misty didn't hear someone in that home that night.

what if....this person waited until one of those trains was coming thru?

we've heard them on NG while people try to talk. i can attest to how loud they are when you live so close to a track.

just a thought! Al thoughts are good and helpful..There are many reasons she did not hear anything that night. I know for a fact if I have 3 glasses of wine at night a tornado could come through and I would sleep right through it. Maybe she had a couple of drinks..maybe she was really tired..who knows..?? LE will find us the answers..of this I am sure of.

[jammies]

good morning!

something occured to me last night! i don't know if it's been mentioned here but it is possible that misty didn't hear someone in that home that night.

what if....this person waited until one of those trains was coming thru?

we've heard them on NG while people try to talk. i can attest to how loud they are when you live so close to a track.

just a thought!



And a VERY good thought, jo. We live by train tracks and you are right about not hearing anything when one comes through.

[jammies]

Did Ron's mother deny there was a fight on NG last evening or did I hear that elsewhere? I may be confused but I thought she had talked before about a fight and she is now denying it?

I swear she says two different things. She says there was no fight then she says the fight was 2 weeks BEFORE Haleigh went missing.

[Texas48]

America's Most Wanted was in the Immokalee area yesterday to do a segment on Adji, it was reported on the local news (Channel 2) here yesterday, I believe that segment will air tonight. The local news also reported about 3 weeks ago that the investigation was moving to the Haitian community in Miami, I believe the family has ties there. LE tried in earnest, searching heavily wooded and marshy areas around the farmworkers village. I don't think they stopped searching or that the searches were any less because he is Haitian, they just scaled back because every possible area has been searched. I see posters everywhere for Adji and we are in the Ft. Myers area, probably 40 miles away.I shutter to think he wandered off, we were having cold fronts move thru, at that time, and he was not dressed warmly enough for the cold nights, it was down to 26 degrees here.

I think every missing child deserves the utmost search resources available. I was suprised that there was no turn out for Haleigh searches yesterday, generally it is an overwhelming community effort.
I still shudder when I think of Christopher Barrios, from Brunswick, GA, much like Jessica Lunsford, abducted by someone right across the street.

I am so glad my kids are grown, it's sad that you can't let your kids play in their own yards alone and when you tuck them into bed at night, they aren't safe.

Continued prayers for Haleigh,
Beachpatty
I am also thankful my children are grown..problem is now I have 7 grandchildren and I worry each and everyday. I know LE is constantly investigating little Adji..It just appears to be a difference in the media coverage of so many missing children compared to certain ones. jmo

[TN Serenity]

This is too rich, LOL! The press, who doesn't hesitate to lie to the public in pursuit of a good story, is miffed 'cause an immature 17-yr old in the middle of a traumatic event didn't get the details right! They hound her, she stumbles, then they make it a big deal. I love it!

The girlfriend has also reportedly told different stories to cops and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were that night.

(I'm making no judgments of any of the family members in this case until LE tells us what they believe happened.)


I agree. I think people are making too much about the girlfriend "changing her story". I'm not so sure she's "changed" the story so much as giving more details each time she's been questioned. Also, everyone should be aware of how the media is so quick to jump on anything to report without taking the time to check their facts. Too many of them are just spreading rumors themselves. They've caused a lot of the confusion and now want to put blame on someone else to make them look suspicious. Do they really think they are helping this case any? :confused:

I have two sons and one of them has always had difficulty giving details about anything, important or otherwise. It's like pulling teeth to get the details out. I think he doesn't realize what's important and what's not. Maybe, because of the girlfriend's age, this is her situation as well.

[Katt2]

I am also thankful my children are grown..problem is now I have 7 grandchildren and I worry each and everyday. I know LE is constantly investigating little Adji..It just appears to be a difference in the media coverage of so many missing children compared to certain ones. jmo

I wasn't implying that LE was not searching either, just that there is not much, if any, media coverage.

[Texas48]

See the problem I have with this is, *Joe*, if this is who the family is referring to, is not on any official registered SO list. They admit they know nothing about him, nor met him. Only that his name is Joe.

Interesting, that this Joe happens to be in photos with Misty, his sister and Mom, taken Easter 2008. Now if Misty claims he is such a bad dude, why is she with him less than a year ago?

moo This seems to be the problem I have as well. Do you know if "joe" was ever allowed in Ron's home and or around his children? Also...can anyone enlighten me on Ron's "other" 17 year old ex girlfriend that he has a baby with? I heard this on one of the shows but only caught a bit of it. TIA...

[FrankieBones1]

I just watched the news report on the Today Show. Why did Haleigh miss 22 days of school this year?

Maybe she wasn't be cared for and someone decided to take to her a better home? I don't want to believe she is dead yet.
There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?

[crymeariver2006]

See the problem I have with this is, *Joe*, if this is who the family is referring to, is not on any official registered SO list. They admit they know nothing about him, nor met him. Only that his name is Joe.

Interesting, that this Joe happens to be in photos with Misty, his sister and Mom, taken Easter 2008. Now if Misty claims he is such a bad dude, why is she with him less than a year ago?

moo

The problem I have with "Joe" (IF it's even the same Joe) is that he's 19 years old. 19 year old guys don't usually steal a child as revenge for a fight over a gun (or anything else). A child would be baggage to them.

A stolen tv, stereo or drugs? Yes

A child? No

JMO

[Texas48]

I swear she says two different things. She says there was no fight then she says the fight was 2 weeks BEFORE Haleigh went missing.
I also heard her say the fight was 2 weeks prior to Haleigh missing. Once again we have people saying one thing but then saying something different.. I really think they are just trying to confuse me.lol..lol

[Texas48]

I agree. I think people are making too much about the girlfriend "changing her story". I'm not so sure she's "changed" the story so much as giving more details each time she's been questioned. Also, everyone should be aware of how the media is so quick to jump on anything to report without taking the time to check their facts. Too many of them are just spreading rumors themselves. They've caused a lot of the confusion and now want to put blame on someone else to make them look suspicious. Do they really think they are helping this case any? :confused:

I have two sons and one of them has always had difficulty giving details about anything, important or otherwise. It's like pulling teeth to get the details out. I think he doesn't realize what's important and what's not. Maybe, because of the girlfriend's age, this is her situation as well. Good post TN..And to add to all..the girlfriend was scared out of her wits..JMO

[crymeariver2006]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?

We don't know that they didn't. For all we know, Child Services could have been 1 day away from removing the children from the home.

[jammies]

I also heard her say the fight was 2 weeks prior to Haleigh missing. Once again we have people saying one thing but then saying something different.. I really think they are just trying to confuse me.lol..lol



Well, she IS his mom so I take whatever she says with a grain of salt. Now we hear the gun was found in a ditch? WTH is THAT about?

[FrankieBones1]

We don't know that they didn't. For all we know, Child Services could have been 1 day away from removing the children from the home.
Wouldn't something as big as that have been leaked to the media by now?

[Texas48]

I wasn't implying that LE was not searching either, just that there is not much, if any, media coverage.This was my point Katt..it is the media coverage..lack of..that upsets me.

[Texas48]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services? I can only speak for Texas and New Jersey and yes they are required to report to Child services. I feel certin Florida is the same way.

[Texas48]

The problem I have with "Joe" (IF it's even the same Joe) is that he's 19 years old. 19 year old guys don't usually steal a child as revenge for a fight over a gun (or anything else). A child would be baggage to them.

A stolen tv, stereo or drugs? Yes

A child? No

JMO Great point cry.

[Texas48]

Wouldn't something as big as that have been leaked to the media by now? Take it for whats its worth but as I posted earler..Geraldo was on The Factor last night talking about a photo of Haleigh w/bruises on her and Le was investigating Ron's criminal record and child pro. services were going to investigate the family. Like I said..This came from Geraldo. Fox would not even show the photo untill the investigated on their own. So...we shall see.

[PuffDragon]

I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.
I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.


:sad:


I agree with you SS, for all of those reasons. It's been too long now.
But it doesn't have to be a pedophile, she could still have wandered out and gone into the river or the woods.

[Katt2]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?

Yes according to this site, Florida has a law in regards to truancy.


http://www.marion.k12.fl.us/dept/asi/sws/attendance.cfm

[Themis]

I swear she says two different things. She says there was no fight then she says the fight was 2 weeks BEFORE Haleigh went missing.
You are correct. She has described the gun/fight differently on 2 occasions.
According to the NG transcript for 2/20, Teresa Nevas said:
There was a gun found in the ditch.
There was no fight.
The gun incident was 2 weeks before Haleigh's disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

[I played this over and over until I caught & wrote down every word]

This is not what Teresa Nevas said earlier. What she said before is in earlier posts and I am sure a link exists. I do not have it handy.

Teresa Nevas is Ron Cumming's mother and the paternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings.

JMO

[Katt2]

You are correct. She has described the gun/fight differently on 2 occasions.
According to the NG transcript for 2/20, Teresa Nevas said:
There was a gun found in the ditch.
There was no fight.
The gun incident was 2 weeks before Haleigh's disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

[I played this over and over until I caught & wrote down every word]

This is not what Teresa Nevas said earlier. What she said before is in earlier posts and I am sure a link exists. I do not have it handy.

Teresa Nevas is Ron Cumming's mother and the paternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings.

JMO

Last week, she also told NG there was a fight, Will see if I can find it.

[Pat]

Didn't Ron make a comment in regards to Haleigh missing school that he could be arrested? What's that all about?

moo

It was Crystal who made the comment in a TV interview, but when asked for details, couldn't provide any. My take was that she wasn't upset over the information and didn't ask why Haleigh had missed so much school.

[trich]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?



I really dislike Geraldo...I actually would not trust him to
report anything the way it truely is.
He is very self serving IMO trying to put stuff out there....
I do think with Haleigh's health issues that the school and social services would be checking the home situation.
If I remember reading in the custody agreement parents were instructed
to provide health insuance for both children and once Ron's employer insurance went into effect they were removed off Medicaid.
So I do have a sense that Haleigh was cared for properly...if Ron or Misty harmed either one of the kids I believe that the mom or grandparents would have stepped in.
Also if indeed Haleigh got brused up at school like the family said
there has to be a record of such .
As far as Misty's information changing ....I think it is just because of her young age and inexperience...I did believe that she may have left for a bit and that is when Haleigh was taken and she may indeed be scared to death and therefore her facts are wishy washy.
I hope Haleigh is alive but I am afraid she is not.

[summer4meplz]

I have never been fond of Geraldo but I do watch The Factor. No..Bill OReilly would NOT let him show it untill Fox had time to investigate the photo and also the reports of Ron and criminal records.


good morning everyone.....does anyone know if that show is available online somewhere? I really don't like bill or geraldo but I would watch this......thanks ...

[summer4meplz]

According to Geraldo, the seventeen yr. old is named Amber, and coincidentaly, her baby's name is the Chloe. Crystal, Ron's ex., has a baby named Chloe also.

BTW, Misty is the one who first revealed Ron had a third child. She told the media, she met Ron thru babysitting for Amber.

moo

why was it such a secret I wonder....

[crymeariver2006]

I agree with you SS, for all of those reasons. It's been too long now.
But it doesn't have to be a pedophile, she could still have wandered out and gone into the river or the woods.

I haven't dismissed that theory either FWIW.

[openminded]

I've said in a few times in the last few days, actually. Well actually, I've believed she was dead from the beginning.

I don't think a concerned family member, or anyone connected with a family member, has her.

And I don't think pedophiles usually keep little girls alive.

:sad:

It is very sad but I totally agree with you SS. Statistics I've seen in these type cases indicate the perp kills the child fairly soon after abduction the majority of the time.

It's true that some children are kept alive longer, or even permanently, but I always look at the odds and they are never good. I wish it were different, and I would so love to be wrong, but I have felt from the moment I heard she was missing that she was gone.

[jammies]

You are correct. She has described the gun/fight differently on 2 occasions.
According to the NG transcript for 2/20, Teresa Nevas said:
There was a gun found in the ditch.
There was no fight.
The gun incident was 2 weeks before Haleigh's disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

[I played this over and over until I caught & wrote down every word]

This is not what Teresa Nevas said earlier. What she said before is in earlier posts and I am sure a link exists. I do not have it handy.

Teresa Nevas is Ron Cumming's mother and the paternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings.

JMO


Communication with this family seems difficult at best. Even the mother doesn't seem to know much of anything. If I were Haleigh's mom I'd be asking (DEMANDING) LOTS of questions of my ex, the gf, and their families. I realize LE is keeping things close to the vest but why aren't the families talking to EACHOTHER? "I don't know" is the answer over and over. For instance, have none of them inquired about this "Joe"?? The pink t-shirt: Crystal reads this in a newpaper?
Not blaming anyone of them for Haleigh's dissapearance but their does seem to be a bizarre lack of curiousity with all of them.

[crymeariver2006]

why was it such a secret I wonder....


Probably because according to Geraldo, the mother is 17.

JMO

(If it's true, I wonder about how much $$ responsibility Ron was taking for this child? Was she awarded child support? Did that have anything to do with the "contempt of court" filing on the day Haleigh went missing? Was he giving her money on his own?)

[Pat]

why was it such a secret I wonder....

Was it a "secret"? By that I mean, is there anything that indicates anyone was trying to keep it out of the press?

With Haleigh missing and the stress of that, I'm not sure why either of the families would think of talking about it. And there must be no issue, because the maternal grandmother would have put it out there in her early interviews, IMO, before she realized focusing on the 'feud' was taking the focus off Haleigh.

I'm not sure why this has become 'important', other than the press saying it is.

[n/t]

Did Ron's mother deny there was a fight on NG last evening or did I hear that elsewhere? I may be confused but I thought she had talked before about a fight and she is now denying it?

IIRC, she didn't deny it but said it didn't happen the day before Haleigh disappeared. I'll go try to find the NG transcripts. Hopefully, they've been posted.

Quoting myself. This is what was said by Ron's mother. She says there was no fight but then she goes on to say about a gun incident.

TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There was a gun that was found in the ditch. There was no fight. The gun incident was two weeks before Haleigh`s disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html


Also, interesting that Haleigh's mom knows about the fight but doesn't know if it's true and Haleigh's aunt says she only knows what Misty has told her but neither have met this "cousin".

[Kip]

Something seems really off about this photo Geraldo is purported to have. If someone had a photo of a bruised and beaten Haleigh and didn't show it to authorities, IMO, they are at least morally guilty of not protecting a child. If the person who had this photo was a doctor or teacher, in most states, they are required by law to report it. And, if this photo came from child protective services and they thought the abuse occurred in Ron's home, I'd really like to hear their explanation as to why the children were allowed to remain there.

[n/t]

Something seems really off about this photo Geraldo is purported to have. If someone had a photo of a bruised and beaten Haleigh and didn't show it to authorities, IMO, they are at least morally guilty of not protecting a child. If the person who had this photo was a doctor or teacher, in most states, they are required by law to report it. And, if this photo came from child protective services and they thought the abuse occurred in Ron's home, I'd really like to hear their explanation as to why the children were allowed to remain there.

I'm wondering if it's the mom who took the photo? Or maybe the maternal grandma. Not sure how it got leaked, if true.

[Pat]

Geraldo is nothing more than a tabloid reporter and I won't watch him.

He's the one who announced that Kronk had been arrested for "rape" on national television and never went back on the air and corrected it himself.

On the one hand, he's protective of Casey Anthony...and we know all the dirty details of that because of the released documents, but he's going after this family when there is not a smidgen of proof the father had a thing to do with his daughter going missing.

The details surrounding the way the players in Haleigh's case live, IMO, are irrelevant until and unless we find they are directly responsible for what happened to Haleigh.

Geraldo certainly has quite the double-standard. And is totally unconcerned with the truth, as he proved with his handling of the Kronk error.

[Katt2]

IIRC, she didn't deny it but said it didn't happen the day before Haleigh disappeared. I'll go try to find the NG transcripts. Hopefully, they've been posted.

Quoting myself. This is what was said by Ron's mother. She says there was no fight but then she goes on to say about a gun incident.

TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There was a gun that was found in the ditch. There was no fight. The gun incident was two weeks before Haleigh`s disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html


Also, interesting that Haleigh's mom knows about the fight but doesn't know if it's true and Haleigh's aunt says she only knows what Misty has told her but neither have met this "cousin".

I remember hearing Neves talk about a fight some days ago but I can't remember where I heard it. I am still looking for it.

[Kip]

I'm wondering if it's the mom who took the photo? Or maybe the maternal grandma. Not sure how it got leaked, if true.

But if it was the mother or maternal grandmother, it would be pretty horrid if they took the photo and then just sent Haleigh back to Ron. They should have called authorities right then and told them that this child can't be sent back. :confused: [And with Geraldo, the emphasis is on "alleged".]

[openminded]

Geraldo is nothing more than a tabloid reporter and I won't watch him.

He's the one who announced that Kronk had been arrested for "rape" on national television and never went back on the air and corrected it himself.

On the one hand, he's protective of Casey Anthony...and we know all the dirty details of that because of the released documents, but he's going after this family when there is not a smidgen of proof the father had a thing to do with his daughter going missing.

The details surrounding the way the players in Haleigh's case live, IMO, are irrelevant until and unless we find they are directly responsible for what happened to Haleigh.

Geraldo certainly has quite the double-standard. And is totally unconcerned with the truth, as he proved with his handling of the Kronk error.

In Caylee's case, Geraldo is shilling for Baez (IMO). Now, I suppose, he's trying to look like he's "fair and balanced" by blaming the father in Haleigh's case.

[SavannahStar]

Geraldo is nothing more than a tabloid reporter and I won't watch him.

He's the one who announced that Kronk had been arrested for "rape" on national television and never went back on the air and corrected it himself.

On the one hand, he's protective of Casey Anthony...and we know all the dirty details of that because of the released documents, but he's going after this family when there is not a smidgen of proof the father had a thing to do with his daughter going missing.

The details surrounding the way the players in Haleigh's case live, IMO, are irrelevant until and unless we find they are directly responsible for what happened to Haleigh.

Geraldo certainly has quite the double-standard. And is totally unconcerned with the truth, as he proved with his handling of the Kronk error.

That sums it up VERY well!

[Themis]

Here are some videos of Ron Cummings.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=ron+cummings&aq=f


Here are some of Misty.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=misty+croslin&aq=f
Thank you, momofamarine, for these videos of Ron Cummings and Misty Croslin on 'youtube.' I forget to look at that website. I'm not the most savvy of users; I don't even know how the 'private message' function works here.

I appreciate the time it took for you to do all that work because watching a person speaking is much more informative and accurate that reading some news article. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

But if it was the mother or maternal grandmother, it would be pretty horrid if they took the photo and then just sent Haleigh back to Ron. They should have called authorities right then and told them that this child can't be sent back. :confused: [And with Geraldo, the emphasis is on "alleged".]

IIRC, according to Geraldo, the injuries occurred in November '08 and Ron's explanation to "whoever" was that Haleigh had been hurt at school (not sure whether he said "fight" or some other type of incident) and that was why he wasn't sending her to school.

FWIW

Grain of salt.

Geraldo.

We don't know how he allegedly got his hands on this photo. We also don't know if any DCF reports exist about this incident or others.

[n/t]

I remember hearing Neves talk about a fight some days ago but I can't remember where I heard it. I am still looking for it.

It was FoxNews. I posted the link on last night's thread. Don't ask me the page number though. LOL. It was between 8 pm and 10 pm because that's when I was online.

Yes she's the one who told the fight story so I don't understand why she's now saying there was no fight. Again, per my previous link (theory), Ron is denying it also so maybe there's more to it. The question is why?

[SavannahStar]

Great questions.

But not at all relevant to Haleigh being missing. IMO.

[IM4Truth]

You are correct. She has described the gun/fight differently on 2 occasions.
According to the NG transcript for 2/20, Teresa Nevas said:
There was a gun found in the ditch.
There was no fight.
The gun incident was 2 weeks before Haleigh's disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

[I played this over and over until I caught & wrote down every word]

This is not what Teresa Nevas said earlier. What she said before is in earlier posts and I am sure a link exists. I do not have it handy.

Teresa Nevas is Ron Cumming's mother and the paternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings.

JMO

Is she employed by the Sheriff's Dept. in some capacity? Anyone know?

[n/t]

IIRC, according to Geraldo, the injuries occurred in November '08 and Ron's explanation to "whoever" was that Haleigh had been hurt at school (not sure whether he said "fight" or some other type of incident) and that was why he wasn't sending her to school.

FWIW

Grain of salt.

Geraldo.

We don't know how he allegedly got his hands on this photo. We also don't know if any DCF reports exist about this incident or others.

There was also that almost drowning incident that mom talked about early on in the case. Does anyone remember when that happened? Did she report that to authorities?

[IM4Truth]

I haven't followed the boards very closely on this case, but where is Misty's family? Why isn't her mother there?

[n/t]

I haven't followed the boards very closely on this case, but where is Misty's family? Why isn't her mother there?

There is one interview...I believe they're sitting on a couch and a woman is sitting beside her holding her. I think it's her mom. They keep showing this interview over and over on many of the talk shows.

[~jomomma~]

as far as crystal saying that ron said...that he might end up in jail...it could just be a simple statement by ron to her ONE time and maybe he was really never threatened with jail...just him talking like

'yeah, she's missed so much school, my luck, i'll end up in jail'

somthing like that

know what i mean?

[Adalena935]

MSNBC just reported on this case. A reporter said he asked Misty's cousin if LE spoke to him and he said they did once, then left.

He said he thought the people involved were blaming him to point suspicion away from themselves.

SOURCE: MSNBC this a.m.

[KKKKKKatie]

There is one interview...I believe they're sitting on a couch and a woman is sitting beside her holding her. I think it's her mom. They keep showing this interview over and over on many of the talk shows.


yes...I thought that was her mom also

[n/t]

There's one photo of Haleigh that they show on JVM and NG...where she's looking up with her mouth open and her hair is flowing back. That photo gives me the creeps. I wish they wouldn't show it.:sad:

Have any of you seen it?

[Armchairdet]

There's one photo of Haleigh that they show on JVM and NG...where she's looking up with her mouth open and her hair is flowing back. That photo gives me the creeps. I wish they wouldn't show it.:sad:

Have any of you seen it?

Good morning. I don't guess I have seen it. What don't you like about it?

[Adalena935]

Thank you!

Welcome. I wanted to add that the reporter said he has only a few juvenile offenses of petty nature. He is 19 years old.

[IM4Truth]

There's one photo of Haleigh that they show on JVM and NG...where she's looking up with her mouth open and her hair is flowing back. That photo gives me the creeps. I wish they wouldn't show it.:sad:

Have any of you seen it?

I don't like that one either, but I have seen one where it appears there is a bruise on the left side of her face, or is that a birthmark?

[Themis]

I remember hearing Neves talk about a fight some days ago but I can't remember where I heard it. I am still looking for it.
Katt2, I think I have found the article, 2-18-09 you are referring to.
However, the article does NOT name Teresa Nevas as the one who said it.

Article says family members of Ronald Cummings said he got into a fight with another man over a gun one (1) days before Haleigh went missing.

Article says a relative told the news that Cummings accused the other man of stealing a gun.

Article says the relative could not remember the name of the man or where the fight took place.

JMO

The very next day, Ronald Cummings denied that a fight ever took place.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=3

So the article was careful not to attribute these statements to Teresa Nevas.

[n/t]

MSNBC just reported on this case. A reporter said he asked Misty's cousin if LE spoke to him and he said they did once, then left.

He said he thought the people involved were blaming him to point suspicion away from themselves.

SOURCE: MSNBC this a.m.

Thanks Adalena. Did they say if he was back in Tennessee now or is he in Florida? Interesting comment though.

[n/t]

Welcome. I wanted to add that the reporter said he has only a few juvenile offenses of petty nature. He is 19 years old.

So it must be the same guy on the myspace pages. I wish the reporters would've asked if he had a fight with Ron or if there was a gun incident.

[Adalena935]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

Thanks for that. I see LE's saying they're still not excluding anybody. I sure wish they'd find the little girl. I have hope she's alive and they'll locate her and bring her home.

[Themis]

You are most welcome! If you want to send a private message to someone on here just click on the name and then click on send a private message. :smile:
OH! Thank you. You made it sound so easy. :smile:
Seems I read the official instructions when I signed up and it sounded so complicated!

[n/t]

I don't like that one either, but I have seen one where it appears there is a bruise on the left side of her face, or is that a birthmark?

This one? http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/02/11/image4793372g.jpg

hmmm I enlarged it and it does looks like a bruise but it could be a shadow?

To enlarge it...click on the photo and do ctrl +

[n/t]

Good morning. I don't guess I have seen it. What don't you like about it?

Hard to explain but I'll try. I see fear in her eyes. It's almost like a picture of someone you see drowning, her mouth looks like she's gasping for air, she's looking upwards and her hair is flowing back.

If I find it online, I'll post it. It just haunts me everytime I see it.

[SavannahStar]

This one? http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/02/11/image4793372g.jpg

hmmm I enlarged it and it does looks like a bruise but it could be a shadow?

To enlarge it...click on the photo and do ctrl +

Looks like part of her hair or a shadow to me.

[SwineFeld]

Is it a B&W side view pic? If so I think I know which one it is.

Just wanted to add that it's not a B&W after all. Is this it in this video clip @ 1:45 http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/21/ng.haleighs.family.speaks.cnn

There's one photo of Haleigh that they show on JVM and NG...where she's looking up with her mouth open and her hair is flowing back. That photo gives me the creeps. I wish they wouldn't show it.:sad:

Have any of you seen it?

[Armchairdet]

Hard to explain but I'll try. I see fear in her eyes. It's almost like a picture of someone you see drowning, her mouth looks like she's gasping for air, she's looking upwards and her hair is flowing back.

If I find it online, I'll post it. It just haunts me everytime I see it.



I have seen pictures like that in other cases, or a picture to be specific. I know what you are saying about being haunted by such a picture. :sad:

[Katt2]

Katt2, I think I have found the article, 2-18-09 you are referring to.
However, the article does NOT name Teresa Nevas as the one who said it.

Article says family members of Ronald Cummings said he got into a fight with another man over a gun one (1) days before Haleigh went missing.

Article says a relative told the news that Cummings accused the other man of stealing a gun.

Article says the relative could not remember the name of the man or where the fight took place.

JMO

The very next day, Ronald Cummings denied that a fight ever took place.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=3

So the article was careful not to attribute these statements to Teresa Nevas.

Thank you for finding this however I saw and heard Neves on TV talking about the fight that she is now backing away from. Either she was mixed up and there was no fight or it is something they don't want out there.

[IM4Truth]

This one? http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/02/11/image4793372g.jpg

hmmm I enlarged it and it does looks like a bruise but it could be a shadow?

To enlarge it...click on the photo and do ctrl +

That isn't the photo, but I see the same thing on this one so I don't think it's a shadow. Not sure if it's a bruise or birthmark though.

[Rick777]

I'm glad it appears that Ron and Misty have officially passed the polygraph. I don't know why the long hesitation by authorities, but now I feel safe to rule them out.

[IM4Truth]

Is it a B&W side view pic? If so I think I know which one it is.

Just wanted to add that it's not a B&W after all. Is this it in this video clip @ 1:45 http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/21/ng.haleighs.family.speaks.cnn

It's at the very end of that tape and is very brief, just prior to scanning back to NG.

[IM4Truth]

I'm glad it appears that Ron and Misty have officially passed the polygraph. I don't know why the long hesitation by authorities, but now I feel safe to rule them out.

It was confirmed by authorities that both passed the polys?

[KKKKKKatie]

That isn't the photo, but I see the same thing on this one so I don't think it's a shadow. Not sure if it's a bruise or birthmark though.

I thought it was a birthmark also....but it is not mentioned on her flyer

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115793&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[IM4Truth]

BTW they are discussing on another thread CW's warning this morning about copyrights and infringements. It's on the main board.

[Armchairdet]

I'm glad it appears that Ron and Misty have officially passed the polygraph. I don't know why the long hesitation by authorities, but now I feel safe to rule them out.

I look at it as just being very careful. Perhaps they needed to have another expert read the results to make sure. I don't know because I don't know anything about it. But, I feel comforted that LE is being so very careful, and am also relieved that they have passed. But what now? I mean this has me so confused. So many possible leads yet nothing. I keep thinking back to the only two possibilities in my mind right now. That is the cousin, or the missing RSO. But then there are so many other RSO in the area, it makes me wonder how many other sick people are out there yet to be caught.

Why can't our children be safe in their own homes? I mean even people with dogs, home alarms, and two or more adults in the home have been victims. IMO. This is all so sad.

Today would be a nice day for a miracle.

[Rick777]

It was confirmed by authorities that both passed the polys?



From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

[IM4Truth]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Thanks, I know we all want to find out as much as we can but I'm also satisfied with LE keeping things close to the vest, as they say. Not too many leaks coming out from that Sheriff's office!

Off to my real life now.

[playnice]

Thanks, I know we all want to find out as much as we can but I'm also satisfied with LE keeping things close to the vest, as they say. Not too many leaks coming out from that Sheriff's office!

Off to my real life now.

Im still leaning to SO. It bothers me they havent located Chad Reynolds. I know he lived 2 hours away but we dont know who he knew from Putman county and he committed crimes there in the past.
I wonder if there may not be 2 people involved in Hayleighs disappearance. Both SO.

[Themis]

Thank you for finding this however I saw and heard Neves on TV talking about the fight that she is now backing away from. Either she was mixed up and there was no fight or it is something they don't want out there.
You're welcome, Katt2; at this point I think it is a matter of it being something they don't want out there.

A gun belonging to Ronald Cummings was stolen or not.
Cummings either verbally fought with or exchanged blows with the thief or he did not.
Did Cummings get his gun back or not?
It was either found in a ditch or he physically took it back from the thief.
This confrontation/argument/physical fight either happened the day before Haleigh disappeared or two (2) weeks before she went missing.

These are not tough questions and the answers are important.
Where is the stolen gun? Was the perceived thief Misty's cousin Joe or not? Because if it was this Joe, according to Misty he's pretty much a criminal. Was the thief so angry at being caught or being beaten up he 'arranged' to have Haleigh kidnapped?

I would think this occurrence would be a shock to Neves or this un-named relative of Ron's. How could she or they be so vague as to the details. So frustrating. JMO

[Mimi428]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Right. What LE confirmed was that polygraphs were taken by Ron & Misty.

The "satisfied" comment is open to interpretation. In the strictest interpretation, LE has not come out to the public & said anyone "passed" a polygraph, not have they come out to the public & said that anyone has been "cleared". But somebody at AMW talked to somebody at LE & the author of the article says that LE says they were "satisfied".

It wouldn't bother me at all except that we have been seeing & hearing LE tell the public that everyone is a suspect & no one has been cleared.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

My worst fear (and someone else mentioned it earlier) is this case will turn out like Trenton Duckett. No one will ever know what happened to Kaleigh. I hope that doesn't turn out to be true.

I think she is dead by now. But if mystifies me how they have not found her body.

What a case! :sad:

[Anni]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?

Thank you Frankie
and I too believe that TS issues could cause a child to miss exessive school days also. Heck even a child without issues of any kind bring home all the little bugs when they first start school as they havent built up their resistances yet. Remember those days...oh you're not sick Again!!!
I have no doubt she was sick on those days and the school and Ron (and Misti) are working together to resolve this.

With Geraldo, that guy should have gotten his walking papers last night. That was soooo out of line for him to speak of that photo of Haleigh without throughly checking it out. What a pig, I'm speechless...

Did you notice it was O'Reilly that jumped in to cover FOX's butt. Uggg

Nice to see you Frankie.

[WhiteShark]

...snipped for space from a great post...
But let's face it, if they did need a lawyer this is an economically depressed area and I doubt there are lawyers knocking on their door begging to take the case pro bono or as paid consultants as in some other high profile cases just because they want the notoriety that goes with it.

No offense, but I would be willing to bet lawyers are lined up willing/begging to represent Ron and/or Misty. Especially since Ron comes across as being very sincere, what with helping with physical searches and all. We know he is no stranger to the attorney/client relationship (I don't mean that in a bad way, just stating a fact) Ron strikes me though as the kind of guy who would NOT hire/agree to representation if he knew he hadn't done anything wrong.

Many people are respresented in order to have someone deal with the press, etc. Others, and I think RC falls into this category; think they only need a lawyer if they are being accused of wrongdoing............know what I mean?

[SavannahStar]

Re: Geraldo's report

There was a good bit of discussion on the Friday thread last night after the Bill O show aired with Geraldo. If you don't want to read back the whole day's worth of posts, start here at page 9 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349426&page=9 and that will save you more than half the reading!

I, too, have a young man - he's 20 - and I think how lucky we are to have made it past his young years and he's still safe - what a TOTALLY crappy way to have to feel about raising our children :angry: But, then when I get smug and feel like we're past the worst of it, I remember the I-94 corridor and Smiley Face murders, and freak out all over again :sad: http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=1205

I guess you do your best, teach them well, try not to turn them into complete emotional basket-cases from fear and start prayin'

Oh I hear ya. My son is 23, will be 24 next month. I could not even imagine something this bad happening to him as a little boy. But then.....I STILL worry. Do we EVER stop? I think not. He was out on the Gulf fishing with friends several weeks ago. Never called me when they got back in....he ended up staying overnight at the friend's house. Needless to say I was literally crawling the walls with worry. Let me tell you, he got an EARFUL the next day. Kids don't understand a parent's worry, do they?

And eventually I'll have grandbabies (can't wait for that day!). MORE worry.

[SavannahStar]

No offense, but I would be willing to bet lawyers are lined up willing/begging to represent Ron and/or Misty. Especially since Ron comes across as being very sincere, what with helping with physical searches and all. We know he is no stranger to the attorney/client relationship (I don't mean that in a bad way, just stating a fact) Ron strikes me though as the kind of guy who would NOT hire/agree to representation if he knew he hadn't done anything wrong.

Many people are respresented in order to have someone deal with the press, etc. Others, and I think RC falls into this category; think they only need a lawyer if they are being accused of wrongdoing............know what I mean?

You know.....I very much agree. That is a well-stated post, very perceptive. IMO.

[CelticDawn]

Ron strikes me as a very basic person emotionally. In his world, everything is either black or white, and if he doesn't feel that there is an eminent need, he would not seek out counsel.

[Deb7]

From AMW:
"Police confirmed that both Ronald and Misty have taken polygraph tests and they are "satisfied" with the results."

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252


Thankfully, Ron and Misty are cleared!

Not wanting to be a negative spot here, but that quote doesn't say they were cleared. Being satisfied with polygraph results doesn't mean anyone is guilty or innocent. It could very well mean the complete opposite. Again, sorry about being negative, just pointing out that the article does not mention that Ron and Misty have been cleared.

[WhiteShark]

Aren't they saying that Adji walked away? Not an abduction? Who cares that he is Haitian? He is still a missing child. Not directed at you, just saying.

I agree with you and Katt. I can't figure out why the press hasn't stayed on Adji's case like Haleigh's and Caylee's. A six yr old doesn't just wake up one day and choose to BE lost. :sad:
I think that is such a sad, sad case and if I were in his family I would be screaming, screaming to keep his face on TV.:cursing::cursing:

[Mimi428]

I don't like that one either, but I have seen one where it appears there is a bruise on the left side of her face, or is that a birthmark?

Birthmark.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298349/

Neves held a large photo of the girl, showing her blond curls and a distinctive smudgelike birthmark on her left cheek near her ear

[Themis]

BTW they are discussing on another thread CW's warning this morning about copyrights and infringements. It's on the main board.

Thank you, IM4Truth, for posting this alert to the moderator's major warning this morning about copyrights and infringements.

It is of course written by attorneys which makes it very difficult for most lay people to understand.

I might be wrong (and hope I am) but it comes across to me as if just linking anything to this website is in violaltion of TOS.

With that thought in mind, I will say thanks everyone. Some of you are clever sleuths and I appreciate your efforts.

Goodbye -- have a great weekend.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Not wanting to be a negative spot here, but that quote doesn't say they were cleared. Being satisfied with polygraph results doesn't mean anyone is guilty or innocent. It could very well mean the complete opposite. Again, sorry about being negative, just pointing out that the article does not mention that Ron and Misty have been cleared.

But it is possible that this is just the way the article is written. We have not heard, via LE, in any interview, that they have been cleared, that is true. However, what they have said or have not said to the general public via press conferences, etc., may or may not be the same as what information has been given to AMW. It is possible that they have told AMW that they are "satisifed that Misty and Ron are cleared, via results of the polygraph tests." And the writer of the article may have just written "satisfied" because in his or her mind, that meant "cleared."

Just sayin. Yeh we don't know, and it is up to interpretation. Those who suspect Ron and Misty of wrongdoing will undoubtedly see that statement as not at all noteworthy and harp on the fact that it is totally inconclusive. Others who see Ron and Misty as telling the truth throughout the case thus far, will see the statement as clearing them.

That's the way it goes, always.

[SavannahStar]

Birthmark.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298349/

Neves held a large photo of the girl, showing her blond curls and a distinctive smudgelike birthmark on her left cheek near her ear


Good find, Mimi! I thought it was part of her hair!

[WhiteShark]

ITA Willow. I noticed a difference in the media coverage compared to other cases and I was very sad last night when I heard NO ONE came out to help search yesterday. I know LE is doing what they do but where are neighbors..friends..strangers..IMO a difference in cases.

Right.
I have had a feeling the last couple of days that LE is really onto something and they are intentionally keeping it in "silent running mode." I think we will not know anything until they have either the person in custody or have the remains retrieved. This department strikes me as NOT wanting another Caylee fiasco. Since we don't have anyone charged with anything related to this case, they don't have to release any info like the doc dumps we see in Orange Cty. Of course, that will change to a degree when/if they do get someone.

[Mimi428]

A voice of reason. Thank You! The AMW program is a week old, and since that broadcast, LE, not once, as revealed the results of anyone's LD tests.


moo


I think back to the Susan Smith case - until the very last day, when they brought Susan in & laid it ALL out on the table, LE let her think that they believed her, each & every time they talked to her. They kept her talking so they could glean out little bits & pieces & find little inconsistencies in her story as she kept telling it.

Again, if we had not been seeing & hearing all the press conferences with the spokespeople re-iterating that no one has been cleared, everyone is a suspect, yadda, yadda, yadda - it would not strike me as being particularly significant one way or another. But since we HAVE seen the spokesmen repeatedly say that, I cannot put too much weight into what someone from AMW says they were told on the QT.

I cannot fault AMW for their report & I surely cannot fault LE for being very careful with what they tell the public.

JMO

[lonetraveler]

Didn't go on line last night after seeing "The Factor" and hearing what Geraldo had to say. I realize that Geraldo is a real drama "king"? but if he indeed has a photograph of Haleigh with obvious signs of physical abuse then my whole prospectus is liable to change. Of course, Bill O'Reily stated that he would not show the photo last night and said that he wouldn't until it was found to be true. Geraldo was chomping at the bit to wave it in the air. If you dismiss 99% of what Geraldo states and just look at any evidence he may have, it is disheartening to think that the father may have killed Haleigh during a fit of rage. I hope this information is investigated and found to be untrue, but I will keep an eye on any developments regarding this information.

If true, it would explain to me why Misty is afraid to tell the truth and it would also maybe explain why Haleigh was absent from school for some of the times she did not attend. There was statements published that she had been absent so many times that one more and he would be charged. I'm worried that this may have played a part in a "disappearance" of this child. Some of you will immediately start to bash me for actually looking at the father as a possible suspect, but right now, they are all suspect until the truth is known. I have had a feeling all along that parts are missing from the entire family's stories. At this point, IMO, no one knows what the heck happened.

BTW, was that Misty's mother last night on Nancy Grace with what looked like "road kill" on her head? Maybe she watched the news yesterday and saw where the lady was saved from being shot by her boyfriend because the bullet lodged in her hair weave. Maybe Misty's mother is protecting herself from a stray bullet, just in case.

[CC I See]

Morning to you SS. I am glad you posted this as I was somewhat confused (nothing new) I could not ubderstand why LE had not come out and made the statement that both had passed LDT. I also hope neither are involved but as we have all seen before...ya never know.jmo

..... I don't remember LE coming right out and saying that a person passed or failed a Lie Detector test until that person was charged with the crime and that information came out at trial. But of course it depends on location and facts of the case if they do. For LE to say that they were satisfied with the test Ron and Misty took means just that. Remember that days after the tests were taken Misty spent five additional hours been interviewed by LE. That may indicate there was something that wasn't cleared up earlier that needed to be. I believe Ron had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance but do believe that Misty knows what happened and is keeping quiet.

[SavannahStar]

Right.
I have had a feeling the last couple of days that LE is really onto something and they are intentionally keeping it in "silent running mode." I think we will not know anything until they have either the person in custody or have the remains retrieved. This department strikes me as NOT wanting another Caylee fiasco. Since we don't have anyone charged with anything related to this case, they don't have to release any info like the doc dumps we see in Orange Cty. Of course, that will change to a degree when/if they do get someone.

"NOT wanting another Caylee fiasco"......I so agree. I am so thankful for that! Hopefully, many other LE people/others involved will learn what NOT to do in cases, by what has happened in the Caylee case.

[playnice]

This LE wont confirm or deny anything. very tight lipped.
Do you think they are telling ron & Misti what they can put out there and what to not disclose?

[WhiteShark]

This is too rich, LOL! The press, who doesn't hesitate to lie to the public in pursuit of a good story, is miffed 'cause an immature 17-yr old in the middle of a traumatic event didn't get the details right! They hound her, she stumbles, then they make it a big deal. I love it!

The girlfriend has also reportedly told different stories to cops and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were that night.

(I'm making no judgments of any of the family members in this case until LE tells us what they believe happened.)
I changed your last sentence to red so I could highlight how much I agree with you.

Excellent post! :thumbsup:
and Super-excellent statement!!!!!

[Deb7]

But it is possible that this is just the way the article is written. We have not heard, via LE, in any interview, that they have been cleared, that is true. However, what they have said or have not said to the general public via press conferences, etc., may or may not be the same as what information has been given to AMW. It is possible that they have told AMW that they are "satisifed that Misty and Ron are cleared, via results of the polygraph tests." And the writer of the article may have just written "satisfied" because in his or her mind, that meant "cleared."

Just sayin. Yeh we don't know, and it is up to interpretation. Those who suspect Ron and Misty of wrongdoing will undoubtedly see that statement as not at all noteworthy and harp on the fact that it is totally inconclusive. Others who see Ron and Misty as telling the truth throughout the case thus far, will see the statement as clearing them.

That's the way it goes, always.

Yes but you have heard the saying about assuming right? ANYWAY, if I had posted that same quote and then said "I guess Ron and Misty are suspects." Because that is what I had assumed from that quote, don't you think it would be irresponsible of me to do that?
I am not going to assume that a reporter is saying anyone is innocent or cleared or guilty or whatever. It is probably not a good idea to errantly put the wrong idea into people's minds unless you have clear facts, not assumptions.
If LE comes right out and says so, then I guess it will be so. JMO

[SavannahStar]

..... I don't remember LE coming right out and saying that a person passed or failed a Lie Detector test until that person was charged with the crime and that information came out at trial. But of course it depends on location and facts of the case if they do. For LE to say that they were satisfied with the test Ron and Misty took means just that. Remember that days after the tests were taken Misty spent five additional hours been interviewed by LE. That may indicate there was something that wasn't cleared up earlier that needed to be. I believe Ron had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance but do believe that Misty knows what happened and is keeping quiet.


I don't personally think we can read anything sinister in the 5 additional hours of questioning. She was the last person, as far as we know, to see Haleigh alive. And LE "seems" to be really stumped with this case. They have to go over, and go over, and go over, and go over yet again and again, all the details. That doesn't surprise me. They could also be questioning her about various RSO's.....did she recognize any, did she know any, etc.

[CC I See]

Didn't go on line last night after seeing "The Factor" and hearing what Geraldo had to say. I realize that Geraldo is a real drama "king"? but if he indeed has a photograph of Haleigh with obvious signs of physical abuse then my whole prospectus is liable to change. Of course, Bill O'Reily stated that he would not show the photo last night and said that he wouldn't until it was found to be true. Geraldo was chomping at the bit to wave it in the air. If you dismiss 99% of what Geraldo states and just look at any evidence he may have, it is disheartening to think that the father may have killed Haleigh during a fit of rage. I hope this information is investigated and found to be untrue, but I will keep an eye on any developments regarding this information.

If true, it would explain to me why Misty is afraid to tell the truth and it would also maybe explain why Haleigh was absent from school for some of the times she did not attend. There was statements published that she had been absent so many times that one more and he would be charged. I'm worried that this may have played a part in a "disappearance" of this child. Some of you will immediately start to bash me for actually looking at the father as a possible suspect, but right now, they are all suspect until the truth is known. I have had a feeling all along that parts are missing from the entire family's stories. At this point, IMO, no one knows what the heck happened.

BTW, was that Misty's mother last night on Nancy Grace with what looked like "road kill" on her head? Maybe she watched the news yesterday and saw where the lady was saved from being shot by her boyfriend because the bullet lodged in her hair weave. Maybe Misty's mother is protecting herself from a stray bullet, just in case.... that lady was Ron's sister Crystal. As for hairstyle, to each his own .......

[SavannahStar]

I changed your last sentence to red so I could highlight how much I agree with you.

Excellent post! :thumbsup:
and Super-excellent statement!!!!!

Well that's the bottom line. I agree.

[SavannahStar]

That's a HUGE stretch there. Have you ever heard of someone breaking into a home in the middle of the night to steal a child to take her to a better home?


:biggrin: Oh someone posted that on here days ago. Referring to that alleged person as "loving" and "caring" (Something like that....that's the gist anyway).

No. NO ONE with altruistic motives steals a child from their own home.

:cursing:

[lonetraveler]

Thank you Frankie
and I too believe that TS issues could cause a child to miss exessive school days also. Heck even a child without issues of any kind bring home all the little bugs when they first start school as they havent built up their resistances yet. Remember those days...oh you're not sick Again!!!
I have no doubt she was sick on those days and the school and Ron (and Misti) are working together to resolve this.

With Geraldo, that guy should have gotten his walking papers last night. That was soooo out of line for him to speak of that photo of Haleigh without throughly checking it out. What a pig, I'm speechless...

Did you notice it was O'Reilly that jumped in to cover FOX's butt. Uggg

Nice to see you Frankie.

---
I agree that Haleigh missed many days due to illness but it would really be remiss if LE did not investigate every avenue, including an possible physical abuse. I hope LE leaves no stone unturned, no matter who presents a tip, including Geraldo. That photograph and where he got it needs to be investigated, period.

[lonetraveler]

In these cases I really wish there was a real Dexter in the world to take care of the child molesters!

---
I totally agree with your statement!!!

[SavannahStar]

Yes but you have heard the saying about assuming right? ANYWAY, if I had posted that same quote and then said "I guess Ron and Misty are suspects." Because that is what I had assumed from that quote, don't you think it would be irresponsible of me to do that?
I am not going to assume that a reporter is saying anyone is innocent or cleared or guilty or whatever. It is probably not a good idea to errantly put the wrong idea into people's minds unless you have clear facts, not assumptions.
If LE comes right out and says so, then I guess it will be so. JMO


:shrug:

I really don't know what to say to that.

I am participating on a number of boards, though, on this case and I do know one thing: MOST posters who believe that AMW statement does NOT mean it clears Misty and Ron, are the same posters who are very suspicious of Misty and Ron.

That's all I make out of it. Take it FWIW.

I personally am not swayed either way, whether it means they are cleared or not.

[playnice]

:biggrin: Oh someone posted that on here days ago. Referring to that alleged person as "loving" and "caring" (Something like that....that's the gist anyway).

No. NO ONE with altruistic motives steals a child from their own home.

:cursing:

That would be disturbing.

[CC I See]

MSNBC just reported on this case. A reporter said he asked Misty's cousin if LE spoke to him and he said they did once, then left. He said he thought the people involved were blaming him to point suspicion away from themselves. SOURCE: MSNBC this a.m.... we have only Misty's word at this time that cousin Joe is a sexual predator and that he stole or tried to steal a gun from Ron. It might be true or not, facts about his should be forthcoming, if it is.

[Mimi428]

This LE wont confirm or deny anything. very tight lipped.
Do you think they are telling ron & Misti what they can put out there and what to not disclose?

Speaking only for myself .... NO.

I don't think either of them have the emotional stability right now to be able to do that. We know they are exhausted by the looks on their faces. We can appreciate that they are stressed to the max.

And Ron has demonstrated time & time again that if HE thinks it is not important, he has no use for it. Reference his statements to the 911 operator when he was asked for specifics that HE did not think were relevant at the time.

JMO

[Deb7]

:shrug:

I really don't know what to say to that.

I am participating on a number of boards, though, on this case and I do know one thing: MOST posters who believe that AMW statement does NOT mean it clears Misty and Ron, are the same posters who are very suspicious of Misty and Ron.

That's all I make out of it. Take it FWIW.

I personally am not swayed either way, whether it means they are cleared or not.

I can't decide how I feel about it either. There are a lot of things that make me not so fond of Ron, but that doesn't mean that he harmed his child. I only posted originally, because often times someone will say something such as "they were cleared" and others will believe it to be true just because someone else typed it out. It could mean that, but I would like to hear it directly from the LE mouths if you know what I mean. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

"NOT wanting another Caylee fiasco"......I so agree. I am so thankful for that! Hopefully, many other LE people/others involved will learn what NOT to do in cases, by what has happened in the Caylee case.

Uh, oh...........

Originally Posted by SavannahStar
Just a reminder, guys....

Anthony board is thataway ----------->

I know we all (or most of us, who are following both cases) have opinions about the Anthonys. But this is the Haleigh forum.

I have to remind my own self of that, because I am guilty as well of commenting about George.



:smile:

[SavannahStar]

I can't decide how I feel about it either. There are a lot of things that make me not so fond of Ron, but that doesn't mean that he harmed his child. I only posted originally, because often times someone will say something such as "they were cleared" and others will believe it to be true just because someone else typed it out. It could mean that, but I would like to hear it directly from the LE mouths if you know what I mean. JMO


I think it's only natural for many of us after hearing certain things, make us "not so fond" of Ron. He obviously has a temper, has been accused of a lot, has a record, lives with a 17-year-old, and on and on. I try my best to disassociate how I feel about his lifestyle and all it encompasses, with how I feel about his possible involvement in his daughter's disappearance.

They are two separate issues entirely, for me anyway.

[Mimi428]

I don't personally think we can read anything sinister in the 5 additional hours of questioning. She was the last person, as far as we know, to see Haleigh alive. And LE "seems" to be really stumped with this case. They have to go over, and go over, and go over, and go over yet again and again, all the details. That doesn't surprise me. They could also be questioning her about various RSO's.....did she recognize any, did she know any, etc.

I don't think there is anything necessarily ominous about the additional time she was interviewed either.

In the first place, she seems dreadfully inadequate in putting together coherent sentences. I'm not going to speculate on whether it stems from lack of intelligence, lack of credibility, all the shock & horror of the circumstances, exhaustion or anything else. I can't know where it comes from & all of those things & more could apply. All I can perceive is that it would be very difficult to ascertain specific events in a narrow timeframe from her.

And what's worse, she's not the only one in the group that seems to have that problem in greater or lesser degrees. I'm not trying to be facetious about a horrifying situation, but when I see all the different variations on what should be essentially the same answers - it strikes me as if they were playing a game of Mad Libs or something. It is very disconcerting.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Uh, oh...........





:smile:

:laugh:

Caylee board is thataway------->

You can make snide references to me there. I've seen 'em. How cool!

[juliekan]

That's a HUGE stretch there. Have you ever heard of someone breaking into a home in the middle of the night to steal a child to take her to a better home?

I saw it on Law and Order once, does that count? :laugh:

There actually was a poster here 2 days ago that went into that scenario

[Regina.Lampert]

:laugh:

(snipped)

Caylee board is thataway------->



.......and according to you, that is where all conversation about Caylee should be, including thoughts on a Caylee fiasco.


:smile:

[Britney]

I don't know why everyone keeps say there were no searches yesterday. There were dozens of searchers in two different locations.

Thanks to all the volunteers who keep this effort ongoing.

[CC I See]

I saw it on Law and Order once, does that count? :laugh:

There actually was a poster here 2 days ago that went into that scenario

.... I was that poster and that is not what I said! What I said was that I prefer to think that if a person abducted Haleigh, I hoped that it was a loving and kind person rather than a sexual predator that took her as it gives me hope that she is still alive. If it was a sexual predator that took her she may have suffered a terrible death that I prefer not to think about. This is not what I think happened but gives me hope nevertheless.

Do I think it happened, I do not. It would be extremely unlikely that such a person did such a thing. I think that the person who is responsible for Haleigh being missing was the person who was last known to have been with Haleigh and that is Misty.

I also beleive to never give up hope that she is somewhere and is OK.

[SavannahStar]

I don't know why everyone keeps say there were no searches yesterday. There were dozens of searchers in two different locations.

Thanks to all the volunteers who keep this effort ongoing.

That's what was reported. :confused:

[CC I See]

I thought it was a birthmark also....but it is not mentioned on her flyer

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115793&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

... one of her grandmothers said on Nancy Grace that she has a birthmark on the left side of her face. Some of the photos of her shows it.

[SavannahStar]

.... I was that poster and that is not what I said! What I said was that I prefer to think that if a person abducted Haleigh, I hoped that it was a loving and kind person rather than a sexual predator that took her as it gives me hope that she is still alive. If it was a sexual predator that took her she may have suffered a terrible death that I prefer not to think about. This is not what I think happened but gives me hope nevertheless.

Do I think it happened, I do not. It would be extremely unlikely that such a person did such a thing. I think that the person who is responsible for Haleigh being missing was the person who was last known to have been with Haleigh and that is Misty.

I also beleive to never give up hope that she is somewhere and is OK.

I just reiterate that a "loving and kind" person would NOT have taken Haleigh away from her home, the people she loved. And left her father totally bereft and grieving? The father that SHE undoutedly loves? How do you reconcile those actions with a "loving and kind" person? That's what I don't understand.

[CC I See]

I just reiterate that a "loving and kind" person would NOT have taken Haleigh away from her home, the people she loved. And left her father totally bereft and grieving? The father that SHE undoutedly loves? How do you reconcile those actions with a "loving and kind" person? That's what I don't understand...... the loving and kind part is a hypothetical statement not based in fact but is based on a personal feeling.

[Katt2]

I don't know why everyone keeps say there were no searches yesterday. There were dozens of searchers in two different locations.

Thanks to all the volunteers who keep this effort ongoing.

Maybe the confusion is coming from the fact that Neves said last night that Ron did not go out to search yesterday because no one came by to offer to take him and the conclusion was formed that there were no searches?

[juliekan]

That's what was reported. :confused:


Flagler County helps in search for missing girl
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newFLAG01022009.htm

Special operations deputies from the Flagler County Sheriff's Office, several Flagler County firefighters and officials from Flagler's Emergency Operations Center were called to help look for Haleigh Cummings, which they did on Friday.

New Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Begins
new search began Friday for missing 5-year-old haleigh Cummings. (02/20/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18759793/index.html

This video shows a veritable army of LE searching. Just because LE doesn't ask the general public to help search, does not mean they are not searching.

I hope this clears this topic up!

[crymeariver2006]

MSNBC just reported on this case. A reporter said he asked Misty's cousin if LE spoke to him and he said they did once, then left.

He said he thought the people involved were blaming him to point suspicion away from themselves.

SOURCE: MSNBC this a.m.

I'm shocked, I tell ya....just shocked! (Not!)

:smile:

[Britney]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.

[happy2bme]

I'm shocked, I tell ya....just shocked! (Not!)

:smile:

I have not kept up with all the details here so forgive me.

I read on fox that family members think the cousin has Haleigh? Is that right? Does LE think this?

[Katt2]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.

He saw someone take her????

[happy2bme]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.

Junior is the son right? So he was awake?

[Britney]

He saw someone take her????

Apparently. He told his mom, Crystal. She reported it to LE; she did not question him about it. LE had professionals question him.

[juliekan]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.


:scared: had not heard that

[Britney]

Junior is the son right? So he was awake?

They made it appear that he was awake. Maybe we will hear more details.

[crymeariver2006]

This LE wont confirm or deny anything. very tight lipped.
Do you think they are telling ron & Misti what they can put out there and what to not disclose?


Nope. A more likely scenario, IMO, is that they're telling Ron "Misty said....." and telling Misty "Ron said......"

Again, IMO

[VC2]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.

:ohmy: i hadn't heard that before

[happy2bme]

Does anyone think this child will be found alive?

[TxLady2]

"being satified with the results"- doesn't say "cleared" to me. I think it means that the test worked the way it was supposed to work.
I personally don't think Ron & Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction. I think they do know something- maybe without realizing it- that can be important to the case. I think that's why LE has questioned Misty several times. She's 17. She's scared.She's probably confused as to what really happened that night. And she's probably been told it's her fault.
For what it's worth- I still hold out hope that Haleigh is alive.

Re: your first sentence...Exactly! If Misty had passed the first two tests, they would not be asking her to take another one, unless they were inconclusive, and in those cases, they need time to analyze them, which only the polygrapher can do... in which case the LE would not tell her one way or the other.
I am on the fence whether she or Ron know more, I tend to think he is being a little overly emotional, but that can be explained by his age and immaturity.
I also hold out hope, but it's getting thinner with every day that passes.

[WhiteShark]

This is too rich, LOL! The press, who doesn't hesitate to lie to the public in pursuit of a good story, is miffed 'cause an immature 17-yr old in the middle of a traumatic event didn't get the details right! They hound her, she stumbles, then they make it a big deal. I love it!

The girlfriend has also reportedly told different stories to cops and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were that night.

(I'm making no judgments of any of the family members in this case until LE tells us what they believe happened.)
I changed your last sentence to red so I could highlight how much I agree with you. Excellent post! :thumbsup:

[bluwaters]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.
Hi Britney
I posted this AM on the Links thread:
New Area Searched In Hunt For Haleigh
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

Crystal Sheffield states that Junior told her someone in black took Haleigh.
He has been interviewed by LE.


I haven't heard anymore about it.

[crymeariver2006]

I have not kept up with all the details here so forgive me.

I read on fox that family members think the cousin has Haleigh? Is that right? Does LE think this?

The family "believes" that Misty's 19 year old cousin, who allegedly "messed with" Misty when she was a child took Haleigh.

They claim that Misty said he was a pedophile because he allegedly "messed with" Misty when she was a child.

Only he's just a couple of years older than Misty.

I can't figure out the quantum leap of labeling him a pedophile over something Misty told them that had occurred some years earlier when apparently they BOTH were children (or young teens).

But, no, IMO, I don't believe that LE believes that.

[juliekan]

Guess I am the last person to hear this, but Fox News just reported that Junior said Hayleigh was taken by someone dressed in black.

Then again, at that age, he might just be thinking "a bad man" and that might morph in his young brain to someone in black.

(at that age I would have probably said a clown, since I had nightmares about them)

Still, if he saw someone else there, that should clear up things for Misty?

[VC2]

Apparently. He told his mom, Crystal. She reported it to LE; she did not question him about it. LE had professionals question him.

gosh that was smart of her, bc the professionals are able to get the information from a young child the best way possible.

I had wondered if he woke up, just like elizabeth smarts sister was awake and took a while to tell what happened.

[Katt2]

Apparently. He told his mom, Crystal. She reported it to LE; she did not question him about it. LE had professionals question him.


If there is any truth to this, how did they let this get out? If it is someone known to Jr. and the family, this little boy could be in danger!

[happy2bme]

The family "believes" that Misty's 19 year old cousin, who allegedly "messed with" Misty when she was a child took Haleigh.

They claim that Misty said he was a pedophile because he allegedly "messed with" Misty when she was a child.

Only he's just a couple of years older than Misty.

I can't figure out the quantum leap of labeling him a pedophile over something Misty told them that had occurred some years earlier when apparently they BOTH were children (or young teens).

But, no, IMO, I don't believe that LE believes that.


Thanks Cry.

[crymeariver2006]

Then again, at that age, he might just be thinking "a bad man" and that might morph in his young brain to someone in black.

(at that age I would have probably said a clown, since I had nightmares about them)

Still, if he saw someone else there, that should clear up things for Misty?

And he could have overheard adults talking about "a man taking Haleigh" and Crystal could have been "picking him" for information.

I'll wait and see if this is ever confirmed.

(On second thought......that may be a long wait.....)

[WhiteShark]

I wasn't implying that LE was not searching either, just that there is not much, if any, media coverage.

I agree and I was not talking about LE either........I was talking about the media and their lack of coverage re: this child. I also wonder if he was not taken back to Haiti? :ohmy:

[WhiteShark]

There's a whole host of problems that come with Turner's Syndrome. Everything from fatigue to ear infections. It could be that simple. Geraldo wants us to believe it was something more sinister and has drummed up interest for his show tonight from Florida.

Wouldn't the school have investigated the truancy? Aren't they obligated to? Or at least, report it to Child Services?

with the cr*p he is trying to stir, his ratings must really be in the dumpster. He needs another Natalie......:sneaky::crying:

Right Frankie, apparently Haleigh must really be suffering from a suppressed immune system. All the more reason we need to get her home...:crying: I don't think this is a case of truancy. I remember the principal speaking about her, and that did not seem to be an issue.

[TxLady2]

According to Geraldo, the seventeen yr. old is named Amber, and coincidentaly, her baby's name is the Chloe. Crystal, Ron's ex., has a baby named Chloe also.

BTW, Misty is the one who first revealed Ron had a third child. She told the media, she met Ron thru babysitting for Amber.

moo

No, the baby by the other 17 y.o. is a boy. Chloe is Crystal Sheffield's child by her boyfriend. Geraldo is confused.

[WhiteShark]

Well, she IS his mom so I take whatever she says with a grain of salt. Now we hear the gun was found in a ditch? WTH is THAT about?

My understanding of what she was saying is that there wasn't a fight the day Haleigh went missing, that there may have been one earlier/before.....but not the on the day as some press had reported. This is also what RC is said as well, he denied the fight that day.

But I do think it interesting the gun was found in a ditch. I missed that tidbit until I heard it last night on NG's show.

[juliekan]

Anyone know if there r any searches going on today? Also......will there be a presser? TIA

I have not seen it posted, maybe they don't do pressers on weekends?

[juliekan]

No, the baby by the other 17 y.o. is a boy. Chloe is Crystal Sheffield's child by her boyfriend. Geraldo is confused.


Lesson learned from this case: the media seems to be suffering from playing the game where one person whispers something in one person's ear, and it is passed along through several others and comes out the other end as a different story.

It would be easier if they could make corrections to what they post...on day 2 of this case, gainesville news had a twitter link, and I noticed that he posted that the paternal GPs had said something, then he came back and corrected it to maternal GPs later.

[WhiteShark]

Communication with this family seems difficult at best. Even the mother doesn't seem to know much of anything. If I were Haleigh's mom I'd be asking (DEMANDING) LOTS of questions of my ex, the gf, and their families. I realize LE is keeping things close to the vest but why aren't the families talking to EACHOTHER? "I don't know" is the answer over and over. For instance, have none of them inquired about this "Joe"?? The pink t-shirt: Crystal reads this in a newpaper?
Not blaming anyone of them for Haleigh's dissapearance but their does seem to be a bizarre lack of curiousity with all of them.

You (not the personal you) can demand anything you want from LE, but that doesn't mean they have to tell you.

The only thing I have really heard anyone from either side of the family refuse to answer is in regard to Jr. When asked Thursday during the pressor if Jr. had seen/remembered or heard anything the night Haleigh went missing, she said she would rather not answer and it seemed to me as if she had been told not to answer it. Other than that, the family seems to try and answer most questions. I really get the sense LE is keeping everything very close to the vest. I think LE really knows a LOT more than anyone thinks............

[5boxersmom]

Did people show up to search with Ron today?

tia

[WhiteShark]

But not at all relevant to Haleigh being missing. IMO.

IMO...DITTO, Savannah.....ditto!

[TxLady2]

Didn't go on line last night after seeing "The Factor" and hearing what Geraldo had to say. I realize that Geraldo is a real drama "king"? but if he indeed has a photograph of Haleigh with obvious signs of physical abuse then my whole prospectus is liable to change. Of course, Bill O'Reily stated that he would not show the photo last night and said that he wouldn't until it was found to be true. Geraldo was chomping at the bit to wave it in the air. If you dismiss 99% of what Geraldo states and just look at any evidence he may have, it is disheartening to think that the father may have killed Haleigh during a fit of rage. I hope this information is investigated and found to be untrue, but I will keep an eye on any developments regarding this information.

If true, it would explain to me why Misty is afraid to tell the truth and it would also maybe explain why Haleigh was absent from school for some of the times she did not attend. There was statements published that she had been absent so many times that one more and he would be charged. I'm worried that this may have played a part in a "disappearance" of this child. Some of you will immediately start to bash me for actually looking at the father as a possible suspect, but right now, they are all suspect until the truth is known. I have had a feeling all along that parts are missing from the entire family's stories. At this point, IMO, no one knows what the heck happened.

BTW, was that Misty's mother last night on Nancy Grace with what looked like "road kill" on her head? Maybe she watched the news yesterday and saw where the lady was saved from being shot by her boyfriend because the bullet lodged in her hair weave. Maybe Misty's mother is protecting herself from a stray bullet, just in case.

Where did Geraldo get this picture? Depending on the source, it could have a very significant impact... or none at all. Did he get it from the bio mom or grandmother? Or from LE or the school?
I would have to see the picture to say for sure, but kids can fall off playground equipment and get bruises and cut lips from hitting their face. I hope he checked with the school officials to find out if their was a record of these injuries.

[WhiteShark]

.......snipped for space........It wouldn't bother me at all except that we have been seeing & hearing LE tell the public that everyone is a suspect & no one has been cleared.
JMO

IMO, LE could be satisfied they "passed" or LE could have been satisfied by "confirming" they are lying. Either way, neither have been arrested and that speaks more than anything at THIS moment.

[WhiteShark]

snipped for space.....With Geraldo, that guy should have gotten his walking papers last night. That was soooo out of line for him to speak of that photo of Haleigh without throughly checking it out. What a pig, I'm speechless....


he should have been given permanent walking papers the day he gave out troop locations by drawing in the sand the first days of the Iraq war. My son was in that march to Baghdad, and it really po'd me. I don't know how many letters I wrote......That is when he should have been retired for good.:cursing::cursing:

[5boxersmom]

I was wondering if there was a path of some sort in the woods behind the house or if it looked like someone had went through there. Broken branches and smashed leaves.

If the cousin had anything to do with this I still do not understand why we have not been given a vehicle description.

imo

[TxLady2]

You (not the personal you) can demand anything you want from LE, but that doesn't mean they have to tell you.

The only thing I have really heard anyone from either side of the family refuse to answer is in regard to Jr. When asked Thursday during the pressor if Jr. had seen/remembered or heard anything the night Haleigh went missing, she said she would rather not answer and it seemed to me as if she had been told not to answer it. Other than that, the family seems to try and answer most questions. I really get the sense LE is keeping everything very close to the vest. I think LE really knows a LOT more than anyone thinks............

As for the families talking to each other, I would guess that Crystal has talked to Ron quite a bit, asking questions, possibly Misty too. But LE probably prefers that they not start getting into peeing matches with each other as that would make their jobs harder. Sometimes they will advise the family members not to answer certain questions from the media, because it is not going to help the investigation.
I agree, if Crystal reported what Jr. said to LE, which was the smart thing to do, they would have told her not to talk about it... so how did the media get hold of that, I wonder. Did they overhear it somehow?
Sometimes I despise these reporters' ways of doing things. They have their eyes and ears everywhere but it is NOT for the purpose of finding a missing person, it is strictly to make juicy headlines. So many times, they get things wrong by not checking sources out, or they just don't care, they want to sensationalize everthing. Makes me sick!

[trich]

Because there are no charges against anyone and no lawyers involved I am assuming there is nothing to be released because of the Sundshine Laws.....Again assuming this is true ...I believe alot of misinformation is out there concerning Haleigh being missing ...since the LE are not really making any big announcements or statements.

I think what Geraldo has done about that picture is unconscionable.....even worse if it turns out that Haleigh indeed got hurt/bruised during an accident at school...which can be validated simply by school records.
To imply that Ron or someone else in the family abused her without any kind of proof is actually something that I can see Geraldo doing ..after all he has no qualms about giving away military positions during Desert Storm.
He is about as low as low can get. IMO
Why Fox even allows him to represent their network is beyond belief.

[caphill]

Then again, at that age, he might just be thinking "a bad man" and that might morph in his young brain to someone in black.

(at that age I would have probably said a clown, since I had nightmares about them)

Still, if he saw someone else there, that should clear up things for Misty?


If the little brother did see someone in the bedroom and the kitchen light was on, he may have seen only the silhouette.

The LE says there is no known link to SO that was taken into custody. Since his arrest there has been a renewed search of the area very close to the house. That gives me concerns that maybe something in his GPS tracking or something he said gives them some reason to intensify the search in the 1 mile zone. If seems Ron wants to be active in the search, yet, no one has come to include him in this nearby search. Could that be a purposeful decision to not allow him a search and chance that he might come across his daughter.

[5boxersmom]

Because there are no charges against anyone and no lawyers involved I am assuming there is nothing to be released because of the Sundshine Laws.....Again assuming this is true ...I believe alot of misinformation is out there concerning Haleigh being missing ...since the LE are not really making any big announcements or statements.

I think what Geraldo has done about that picture is unconscionable.....even worse if it turns out that Haleigh indeed got hurt/bruised during an accident at school...which can be validated simply by school records.
To imply that Ron or someone else in the family abused her without any kind of proof is actually something that I can see Geraldo doing ..after all he has no qualms about giving away military positions during Desert Storm.
He is about as low as low can get. IMO
Why Fox even allows him to represent their network is beyond belief.

Do you think Geraldo is talking about the pic that we all have seen? I noticed what looked like a bruise on Haleigh's face then I remembered her Grandmother saying she had a birth mark and I figured that was what it was. I think if it was a bruise it could have happen many different ways, not just abuse.

imo

[crymeariver2006]

If the little brother did see someone in the bedroom and the kitchen light was on, he may have seen only the silhouette.

The LE says there is no known link to SO that was taken into custody. Since his arrest there has been a renewed search of the area very close to the house. That gives me concerns that maybe something in his GPS tracking or something he said gives them some reason to intensify the search in the 1 mile zone. If seems Ron wants to be active in the search, yet, no one has come to include him in this nearby search. Could that be a purposeful decision to not allow him a search and chance that he might come across his daughter.

And Jr. *could* have seen a police officer in the bedroom and that is the "man in black".

In addition to the search of the area surrounding the SO, there was another search of the woods behind Haleigh's home. There were two different searches yesterday.

[bluwaters]

Putnam Sheriff's Office & FDLE to Hold Presser at 3 p.m.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131872&catid=3

FCN is also reporting that about 15 volunteers are searching the area around the trailer now.

[juliekan]

If seems Ron wants to be active in the search, yet, no one has come to include him in this nearby search. Could that be a purposeful decision to not allow him a search and chance that he might come across his daughter.

<snipped>

Yes that's what I thought too.

[WhiteShark]

Re: your first sentence...Exactly! If Misty had passed the first two tests, they would not be asking her to take another one, unless they were inconclusive, and in those cases, they need time to analyze them, which only the polygrapher can do... in which case the LE would not tell her one way or the other.
I am on the fence whether she or Ron know more, I tend to think he is being a little overly emotional, but that can be explained by his age and immaturity.
I also hold out hope, but it's getting thinner with every day that passes.

your scenario may not be correct either. Misty may be re-poly'ed because of "new" information not because prior tests were inconclusive. It could be possible that re-doing poly's because prior tests were inconclusive may interfere with validity.........

[breeze53]

Do you think Geraldo is talking about the pic that we all have seen? I noticed what looked like a bruise on Haleigh's face then I remembered her Grandmother saying she had a birth mark and I figured that was what it was. I think if it was a bruise it could have happen many different ways, not just abuse.

imo


Hi all I am later getting on today is there anything new? Thanks if anyone can tell me.

[5boxersmom]

Putnam Sheriff's Office & FDLE to Hold Presser at 3 p.m.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131872&catid=3

FCN is also reporting that about 15 volunteers are searching the area around the trailer now.

From the link I see they are now saying the SUV in Tennessee had Florida plates. Has that been reported before?

tia

[baby4brennn]

Hi, i'm new signing up to this forum site but I have been reading them lately and keeping up on the Haleigh case. I'm glad i'm not the only one that keeps watching about this case and reading about it. Can anyone tell me good sites to watch the videos on of Haleigh that they update everyday? I found a few and saved them. I really don't believe the father did it but there seems to be things they are finding out from him from the past now. I seen misty in myspace and for some reason she says shes 19 yrs old on her profile. She also said she is single like she had no boyfriend! I wonder why she would lie about her age and being single? I can't believe when she called 911 she was saying her daughter was missing. She was calling her, HER DAUGHTER. I can see Ron and his mother really stick by Misty. I seen Misty's mom in a clip once with her but what about her dad? It is sounding kind of fishy about her cousin now but why is it just coming out now about him coming over? I think they would have brought that up the first day. Misty and Ron telling about him right away. I know i would have! I feel so bad too for her little brother, Jr.
:rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

Do you think Geraldo is talking about the pic that we all have seen? I noticed what looked like a bruise on Haleigh's face then I remembered her Grandmother saying she had a birth mark and I figured that was what it was. I think if it was a bruise it could have happen many different ways, not just abuse.

imo


Geraldo alleges the photo shows Haleigh with a black eye, cut lip and other bruises on the face. Geraldo alleges that Ron claims this "injury" happened at school (and I want to say he said something about a "fight" but I won't swear to it) and that is the reason he (Ron) was keeping her out of school so much. Geraldo also alleges that this incident occurred in November '08.

[5boxersmom]

Hi all I am later getting on today is there anything new? Thanks if anyone can tell me.

Just got here myself. There is a presser at 3pm. Searches going on. Geraldo says he has a photo that shows a bruise on Haleigh or something like that. :rolleyes:

That's all I know.

imo

[playnice]

If the little brother did see someone in the bedroom and the kitchen light was on, he may have seen only the silhouette.

The LE says there is no known link to SO that was taken into custody. Since his arrest there has been a renewed search of the area very close to the house. That gives me concerns that maybe something in his GPS tracking or something he said gives them some reason to intensify the search in the 1 mile zone. If seems Ron wants to be active in the search, yet, no one has come to include him in this nearby search. Could that be a purposeful decision to not allow him a search and chance that he might come across his daughter.

Since they are searching again today in that area it could be.

[RiverWalk]

As for the families talking to each other, I would guess that Crystal has talked to Ron quite a bit, asking questions, possibly Misty too. But LE probably prefers that they not start getting into peeing matches with each other as that would make their jobs harder. Sometimes they will advise the family members not to answer certain questions from the media, because it is not going to help the investigation.
I agree, if Crystal reported what Jr. said to LE, which was the smart thing to do, they would have told her not to talk about it... so how did the media get hold of that, I wonder. Did they overhear it somehow?
Sometimes I despise these reporters' ways of doing things. They have their eyes and ears everywhere but it is NOT for the purpose of finding a missing person, it is strictly to make juicy headlines. So many times, they get things wrong by not checking sources out, or they just don't care, they want to sensationalize everthing. Makes me sick!

Crystal was on TV talking about the "tip"

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

[baby4brennn]

Yes i know yesterday they said the suv had FL plates. The only new thing i have heard today is they were going to give Ron a trailer to live in for now and that Misty's polygraph passed. I wonder if they could be wrong about her?

[crymeariver2006]

Putnam Sheriff's Office & FDLE to Hold Presser at 3 p.m.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131872&catid=3

FCN is also reporting that about 15 volunteers are searching the area around the trailer now.

Thank you!

[5boxersmom]

Geraldo alleges the photo shows Haleigh with a black eye, cut lip and other bruises on the face. Geraldo alleges that Ron claims this "injury" happened at school (and I want to say he said something about a "fight" but I won't swear to it) and that is the reason he (Ron) was keeping her out of school so much. Geraldo also alleges that this incident occurred in November '08.

Thank you. I missed that. Heck I thought he was talking about the photo we all have already saw. Wow do you think he is telling the truth?

[breeze53]

Geraldo alleges the photo shows Haleigh with a black eye, cut lip and other bruises on the face. Geraldo alleges that Ron claims this "injury" happened at school (and I want to say he said something about a "fight" but I won't swear to it) and that is the reason he (Ron) was keeping her out of school so much. Geraldo also alleges that this incident occurred in November '08.


I was thinking about this last night even if he does have a pic which i doubt but she could have fallen off her bike, swing set, and alot of kids just bruise easy. If this was really true I think the school would have called SS. Just my two cents.

[baby4brennn]

Well i know the brother, Jr told Crystal it was a man in black that took her. 4 yr olds are smart to probably know too. I know they said she had a birthmark on her face. They should have Haleigh's teacher talk from her kindergarden class and question her. maybe Haleigh would tell her things, who knows!

[breeze53]

Crystal was on TV talking about the "tip"

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html
So the little boy seen something but Misty didn't. This gets stranger everyday. I hope they find her soon.

[juliekan]

Well i know the brother, Jr told Crystal it was a man in black that took her. 4 yr olds are smart to probably know too. I know they said she had a birthmark on her face. They should have Haleigh's teacher talk from her kindergarden class and question her. maybe Haleigh would tell her things, who knows!

IIRC, they have talked with her teacher.

[baby4brennn]

Yea doesn't it breeze? you hear something different everyday. Well dont you think if the brother seen someone in black or taking his sister i'm sure he would have screamed or he would wake up Misty. I really dont trust Misty because she changes her stories and like i said in her profile she said she was single and 19 yrs old! did anyone see that?

[crymeariver2006]

I was thinking about this last night even if he does have a pic which i doubt but she could have fallen off her bike, swing set, and alot of kids just bruise easy. If this was really true I think the school would have called SS. Just my two cents.

That's true, however, we don't know anything about anything that DCF knows or doesn't know.

:shrug:

[baby4brennn]

Juliekan, what did they say her teacher said? did they show her talking on any clips? I know they said she missed alot of school.

[Mimi428]

Geraldo alleges the photo shows Haleigh with a black eye, cut lip and other bruises on the face. Geraldo alleges that Ron claims this "injury" happened at school (and I want to say he said something about a "fight" but I won't swear to it) and that is the reason he (Ron) was keeping her out of school so much. Geraldo also alleges that this incident occurred in November '08.

Go to last night's thread, post #68, page two - Rick777 re-posted some comments he read somewhere else...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349426&page=2


Now whether or not there is any truth to that, I have no earthly idea. Coming from Geraldo, I think it should be taken with at least 2 lbs of salt.

JMO

[bluwaters]

Link to 3PM PC
LIVE WEBCAST: 3:00 News Conference on Search for Haleigh
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

[Peaches]

I was thinking about this last night even if he does have a pic which i doubt but she could have fallen off her bike, swing set, and alot of kids just bruise easy. If this was really true I think the school would have called SS. Just my two cents.

I agree.............school teachers/officials are required by law to report abuse.................always!

[crymeariver2006]

They're not releasing "Joe The Cousin's" last name, don't want to embarrass family members.

LOL

Sounds to me like Joe told them Misty was full of it. IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Go to last night's thread, post #68, page two - Rick777 re-posted some comments he read somewhere else...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349426&page=2


Now whether or not there is any truth to that, I have no earthly idea. Coming from Geraldo, I think it should be taken with at least 2 lbs of salt.

JMO

I caught the re-run of BOR this morning at about 5:30 and saw Geraldo's report.

Salt and TH's go hand in hand. :wink:

[juliekan]

Presser notes:

4786 man hours in searching

1626 man hours for investigators

4015 man hours for civilian and TES type searches

1600 leads reported

info on cousin was related to LE early in investigation, LE not releasing any info on the cousin

independent ground search occuring today, not coordinated with LE

no searches planned for tomorrow

no closer to knowing where Haleigh is :sad:

somewhere along the line there will be a criminal case associated with this, so we do not want to give out a lot of info

main focus is finding Haleigh and bringing her home

the cost of the search is not important, the search for a 5 year old girl is.

NO presser tomorrow

[Mimi428]

Yea doesn't it breeze? you hear something different everyday. Well dont you think if the brother seen someone in black or taking his sister i'm sure he would have screamed or he would wake up Misty. I really dont trust Misty because she changes her stories and like i said in her profile she said she was single and 19 yrs old! did anyone see that?

I don't know if he saw anything or not, but if he did not scream or yell out, I would not think that was unusual. Elizabeth Smart's sister was awake & saw her sister being abducted but she did not scream out either.

Ask any person who suffered from abuse when they were a kid why THEY didn't speak out & you will find out how common it is for scared kids (& older people, too) to not say anything out of fear.

JMO

[breeze53]

That's true, however, we don't know anything about anything that DCF knows or doesn't know.

:shrug:



True didnt someone post she had missed 22 days of school?
I still think Misty knows more then shes telling. I still think shes afraid of Ron.If this little boy really did see someone in black take her this could have happened way before bedtime. The shirt still bothers me.