Saturday 2/21 - #1

[emdragon]

i am so disgusted with her right now i hope she is. Never did i think i would see someone so selfish that they prefer to air past relationship differences with the media than focus on finding their missing daughter.

imo

Was there any proof that "Amber" is 17? Or is everyone going on what GR and Crystal say?

[forensicfan]

We have something in common. I was named after Joan of Arc.

I'm a warrior for the underdog, and in this case, its Crystal. Stoic or not, flat, or not. The unthinkable has happened to her also. Ron is not the only victim.

moo

You are right. Her demeanor doesn't mean she doesn't care and Ron's reaction doesn't either IMO. I think the child was kidnapped and blaming each other for this or that isn't helping.

[bluwaters]

Please dont take this wrong i love tim miller but he also said Caylee wasnt there and she was.
I would never slam you! :wub:
Tim Miller is not a god or a saint, as he would be the first to tell you.
Didn't Tim Miller say that Caylee would never be found?
He could well have said that Caylee was not there.
I just don't recall that comment.

[emdragon]

You are right. Her demeanor doesn't mean she doesn't care and Ron's reaction doesn't either IMO. I think the child was kidnapped and blaming each other for this or that isn't helping.

I haven't heard Ron blame crystal at all.

[sunstar]

I'm not sure if he change it or not. I know only that the previous tenant also commented on how difficult the door was to close.

It would be just awful if this were another case like the one where the teenager was abducted and it turned out she was in an underground bunker in the woods that was virtually invisible from the outside.

moo

Oh that would be horrible. I remember that case. I'm always fearing the worst too when there's a lot of woods near the place of abduction. Anybody could be lurking in there and not be noticed.

[forensicfan]

I haven't heard Ron blame crystal at all.

Now that you mention it, I haven't either.

[playnice]

Was there any proof that "Amber" is 17? Or is everyone going on what GR and Crystal say?

Im confused as to what anyone having more kids out there has to do with Hayleigh being missing and doesnt Crystal have another kid too and not married?
and who appointed Geraldo the moral judge? Doesnt he have a million ex wives and how many children?

[bluwaters]

Your so right it has all been about shifting the focus off of themselves, that is why they volunteered to take LDT and never asked for an attorney.

On the other hand last we heard from Crystal's mother is that Crystal had not taken a LDT, (just filled out the paper work)
Perhaps LE determined that she didn't need to take one?
Why would Misty and Ron volunteer to take a LTD if they are not telling the truth?
Why haven't they gotten lawyers?

[sunstar]

Was there any proof that "Amber" is 17? Or is everyone going on what GR and Crystal say?

Or does "Amber" even exist? :wink:

[breeze53]

I would never slam you! :wub:
Tim Miller is not a god or a saint, as he would be the first to tell you.
Didn't Tim Miller say that Caylee would never be found?
He could well have said that Caylee was not there.
I just don't recall that comment.


And you no you may be right:laugh:come to think of it that just may be what he said. Anyway I wish he was still here looking for Haleigh. I still can't believe they called off the ground search so soon. I know they have had some this week due to tips but it looks to me like they gave up to soon on searching.

[Peaches]

ITA and she clearly has more interest in trashing Ron than finding her daughter -if and i mean IF any of her accusations are true then share them with LE. There is zero reason to try and take the focus off Haleigh as she is doing with the public.
imo


Money????????????????

Did GR pay her for this information?

Now..............I do not believe that Ron hurt Haleigh.............Misty is another question

[breeze53]

Perhaps LE determined that she didn't need to take one?


Not takeing up for her but she may have had a solid alibi on the night Haleigh went missing.

[VC2]

There was no love lost between Mark L and his ex but I dont remember them bringing all their personal feelings and dirty laundry into the public.
Unless Crystal thinks Ron killed Hayleigh this stuff doesnt need to be out there. so it that what she is saying?

i dont even think she believes that! She is just whining to make herself look good

IMO

[bluwaters]

So do I! There needs to be more ppl that take action against the media. What a world we live in, no attornies have stepped up to the plate to defende this guy 'pro-bono'.
I bet they have though.
Jacksonville is full of lawyers.
I imagine there are a few sniffing around and leaving their calling cards.

[Rick777]

Who said she hadn't or had? Is there a list LE published somewhere? Far as I know LE hasn't acknowledged who took LD's except for Ron and Misty.

moo


I was responding to a post above me. Hopefully it's not true!

[emdragon]

Who said she hadn't or had? Is there a list LE published somewhere? Far as I know LE hasn't acknowledged who took LD's except for Ron and Misty.

moo

Her Mother said she hadn't taken one in an interview.

[playnice]

You got that right.

Thankfully we can come her and get feedback on those opinions we have. As long as we can PAYNICE it is a lot better than lying awake at night asking ourselves question upon question about all this......even though I tend to do that anyway. Nothing wrong with a good debate.

With Caylee the Sunshine Law had already gone into effect when the story broke so we started getting info from the start......with this case not so much.

I just so wish she would be alive and safe.The hope of the family extends to us all. That is what I do beleive keeps most of us trying to figure this out. I trully decided after Caylee I would stop following these kind of cases with children. Easier said than done.

I said no more. I took a peek. Even in the first thread i said "Not goin to do it."
What is wrong with us?

[aktk2]

I usually lurk but I have to say something about Geraldo. He has alot of nerve talking about Ron liking young girls. Do a google on his wife.... I believe she's VERY young compared to him. He was born in 1943 , she in 1975....he's gross.

I firmly believe that this was a kidnapping. I believe that Misty and Ron are uneducated and 'unsavory' to many, but are innocent with regard to Haleigh. Someone took this little girl, because with her dad working nights and a teenager on watch, it was easy. Hoping they find her soon.

[n/t]

Just logged on ..... what happened? What is Crystal saying about Ron? I thought they were all getting along and sticking together. What changed?:confused:

[Peaches]

Her Mother said she hadn't taken one in an interview.



Yes.............you are correct. She and her boyfriend did not take LD test.

Why she went on TV to say that Ron "beat Haleigh to a pulp" is beyond me.....................I do not see where Ron has said anything about her..............................and he has his children.

That means................he is the better parent.

[catdoc]

Please dont take this wrong i love tim miller but he also said Caylee wasnt there and she was.

He qualified that by saying Unless she was in one of the flooded areas which he would have to come back and search when the water went down.

[breeze53]

I said no more. I took a peek. Even in the first thread i said "Not goin to do it."
What is wrong with us?



These beautiful innocent little kids grab ahold of your heart and you cant let go I think.

[n/t]

Her Mother said she hadn't taken one in an interview.

That's not true. Her mother said she wasn't asked to take one and was only asked to fill out paperwork. This was 2 weeks ago.

[Peaches]

I usually lurk but I have to say something about Geraldo. He has alot of nerve talking about Ron liking young girls. Do a google on his wife.... I believe she's VERY young compared to him.

I firmly believe that this was a kidnapping. I believe that Misty and Ron are uneducated and 'unsavory' to many, but are innocent with regard to Haleigh. Someone took this little girl, because with her dad working nights and a teenager on watch, it was easy. Hoping they find her soon.


BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only difference is MONEY and EDUCATION................

[odyssey]

Not takeing up for her but she may have had a solid alibi on the night Haleigh went missing.

Ron has a solid alibi and took one. And just because she has an alibi, it would not exclude her from having knowledge if she were involved.

Having said that I don't think Ron and Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction and I doubt Crystal did either but having an alibi in my opinion would not necessarily exclude you from needing to take a LDT.

As for DCF possibly being on the verge of getting involved as some have speculated ... there is still another child in Ron's custody and DCF has not stepped in so it seems unlikely to me they were hot on Ron's heels or anything.

moo

[ConchGirl]

Or does "Amber" even exist? :wink:

Who's Amber TIA?

[breeze53]

He qualified that by saying Unless she was in one of the flooded areas which he would have to come back and search when the water went down.


Ok thanks i was worng in the way i worded it. At least this family treated him with alot of respect and kindness. I don't know how ANYONE can search i would be afraid i would find who ever it was and i am telling you i would fall apart. I would do much better just signing folks in or handing out flyers but I would be there to help if i was anywhere close to there.

[Peaches]

When did Crystal say that?


Where did G get his information? From Crystal..............

[bluwaters]

I haven't heard Ron blame crystal at all.
Crystal wasn't anywhere near when Haleigh disappeared.
Perhaps Ron knows that Crystal lacks the mental acumen to pull something like this off?
This is the woman who couldn't take her child to the doctor because she didn't feel like getting out of bed.
Crystal doesn't want these children.
Her mother wants them though.
Crystal's mother really hates Ron, IMO.
Crystal herself seems like her brain is fried.
Remember that old fried egg ad?
"This is your brain on drugs."
I suspect that Crystal is burned out.
Maybe her mother blames Ron for Crystal's condition?
All wild speculation, I know.
Round and round and solves nothing.

Where is Haleigh?
Why does anyone ever hurt a child?

[sunstar]

Geraldo's on! :biggrin:

[playnice]

Geraldo's on! :biggrin:

:biggrin:This may not have been the best time to announce it.:w00t:

[Peaches]

Crystal wasn't anywhere near when Haleigh disappeared.
Perhaps Ron knows that Crystal lacks the mental acumen to pull something like this off?
This is the woman who couldn't take her child to the doctor because she didn't feel like getting out of bed.
Crystal doesn't want these children.
Her mother wants them though.
Crystal's mother really hates Ron, IMO.
Crystal herself seems like her brain is fried.
Remember that old fried egg ad?
"This is your brain on drugs."
I suspect that Crystal is burned out.
Maybe her mother blames Ron for Crystal's condition?
All wild speculation, I know.
Round and round and solves nothing.

Where is Haleigh?
Why does anyone ever hurt a child?


And, if all this is true....................what chance does Chloe have?

[n/t]

Where did G get his information? From Crystal..............

Do you have proof of that? A link or something? It's one thing for Geraldo to say it but it's another if you're accusing Crystal of something she did not say or do. I think you better start posting links to back up your statements.

[FrankieBones1]

Geraldo is on. He is live from Satsuma, Florida.

Opens with Geraldo facing Ron about accusations that Crystal and her family are making against him. Like drugs and what kinds he was taking....Video goes to Crystal and she tells the camera that Ron beat her.

[Peaches]

Do you have proof of that? A link or something? It's one thing for Geraldo to say it but it's another if you're accusing Crystal of something she did not say or do. I think you better start posting links to back up your statements.


links are not required when posting opinions................

[n/t]

Geraldo's on! :biggrin:


Great...so can someone confirm these accusations that are being thrown out there about Crystal. TIA

[bluwaters]

Yes.............you are correct. She and her boyfriend did not take LD test.

Why she went on TV to say that Ron "beat Haleigh to a pulp" is beyond me.....................I do not see where Ron has said anything about her..............................and he has his children.

That means................he is the better parent.
I thought that Geraldo said that...:confused:

[emdragon]

That's not true. Her mother said she wasn't asked to take one and was only asked to fill out paperwork. This was 2 weeks ago.

I said she had not taken a LDT what is not true about that? LE was very clear that they offered LDT to anyone who wanted to take one.

[KatyDid]

Geraldo is on. He is live from Satsuma, Florida.

Opens with Geraldo facing Ron about accusations that Crystal and her family are making against him. Like drugs and what kinds he was taking....Video goes to Crystal and she tells the camera that Ron beat her.

TY for the heads up Frankie. I missed the first airing. WOW!!! pretty serious accusations by Crystal.

:scared:

[Peaches]

Geraldo is on. He is live from Satsuma, Florida.

Opens with Geraldo facing Ron about accusations that Crystal and her family are making against him. Like drugs and what kinds he was taking....Video goes to Crystal and she tells the camera that Ron beat her.


Hello....................TY

will you continue with updates..................Thank you in advance

[Elvish2]

:scared: OMG!!!!:cursing:

[n/t]

I said she had not taken a LDT what is not true about that? LE was very clear that they offered LDT to anyone who wanted to take one.

How do you know she did not take one?

[FrankieBones1]

And now he is speaking about the image of Ron from Crystal's side...
He was abusive. She now says the words that Ron used to describe her. I cannot mention them here. One is the hard C word.

She says he kicked her when she was pregnant. He was abusive the whole time. She was afraid to leave him. She is afraid of him even today. He has called her and asked her to come back several times. She came back a few times.

She does not believe Ron's story of what happened. She knows he loves Haleigh. His temper could get bad enough for him to hurt Haleigh. her cousin said that he come to her house. haleigh bumped into him and he back handed her and she fell to the floor.

Now here is a pic of Haleigh.
Black eye,
cut on nose
bruise on cheek.

they were told she was pushed at school.

Grandmother doesnt' believe this.

"There's not enough concrete marks".

The school nurse said that she had scraped her nose.

Ron told people that he is 75 percent sure who took Haleigh.

Crystal says that Ron is faking when he is crying.

[n/t]

Geraldo is on. He is live from Satsuma, Florida.

Opens with Geraldo facing Ron about accusations that Crystal and her family are making against him. Like drugs and what kinds he was taking....Video goes to Crystal and she tells the camera that Ron beat her.

Holy smokes! What happened to the coming together at vigils? Did she say anything about Ron beating Haleigh?

[odyssey]

When did Crystal say that?


I'm not really sure what you are doing? Because first you said

"I knew it! I knew it! Crystal and her family are providing info to Geraldo. "

Then you said:
"I'm betting that Crystal gave that photo to Geraldo and it is the real deal."


Now ... well you are a bit confusing ...

If you believe that Crystal and her family are providing info to GR and you think she gave him the alleged photo then ..... why would you not believe she said, whether or not it is true, that Ron 'beat Haleigh to a pulp"? :confused:

[Elvish2]

:scared:And now he is speaking about the image of Ron from Crystal's side...
He was abusive. She now says the words that Ron used to describe her. I cannot mention them here. One is the hard C word.

She says he kicked her when she was pregnant. He was abusive the whole time. She was afraid to leave him. She is afraid of him even today. He has called her and asked her to come back several times. She came back a few times.

She does not believe Ron's story of what happened. She knows he loves Haleigh. His temper could get bad enough for him to hurt Haleigh. her cousin said that he come to her house. haleigh bumped into him and he back handed her and she fell to the floor.

Now here is a pic of Haleigh.
Black eye,
cut on nose
bruise on cheek.

they were told she was pushed at school.

Grandmother doesnt' believe this.

"There's not enough concrete marks".

The school nurse said that she had scraped her nose.

Ron told people that he is 75 percent sure who took Haleigh.

Crystal says that Ron is faking when he is crying.

:scared: bombshell frankie :ohmy:

[emdragon]

How do you know she did not take one?

Why are you so argumentative? My original post on this was that the LAST we heard from her mother Crystal had not taken a LDT.

[n/t]

And now he is speaking about the image of Ron from Crystal's side...
He was abusive. She now says the words that Ron used to describe her. I cannot mention them here. One is the hard C word.

She says he kicked her when she was pregnant. He was abusive the whole time. She was afraid to leave him. She is afraid of him even today. He has called her and asked her to come back several times. She came back a few times.

She does not believe Ron's story of what happened. She knows he loves Haleigh. His temper could get bad enough for him to hurt Haleigh. her cousin said that he come to her house. haleigh bumped into him and he back handed her and she fell to the floor.

Now here is a pic of Haleigh.
Black eye,
cut on nose
bruise on cheek.

they were told she was pushed at school.

Grandmother doesnt' believe this.

"There's not enough concrete marks".

The school nurse said that she had scraped her nose.

Ron told people that he is 75 percent sure who took Haleigh.

Crystal says that Ron is faking when he is crying.

:ohmy:

Poor Haleigh.:sad:

[bluwaters]

Frankie
you are the best :wub:
Thank you for the updates for those of us without cable!

[playnice]

Did he show the pic of Hayleigh?

[FrankieBones1]

Video goes back to Ron and Geraldo.
Ron denies telling Chad anything about the case.
He denies ever hitting his child. He denies hitting Crystal. "Never have I ever hit any woman".

He denies doing drugs.

He says he was never in the drug trade.
Never drugs in his house.

Ron's family is now running Geraldo off.
((this is not live))

Ron appeals to the abductor.

Back to live video now.
Expert witnesses after the short break.

[ann10]

Ron needs to go back to acting class. imo.

[FrankieBones1]

Did he show the pic of Hayleigh?

yes
She was sitting on a couch with a huge smile.
You could see some small injuries.

She was not beaten to a pulp as Geraldo has been saying.

[Rick777]

Geeeez.....Ron is under the influence of something in the interview with GR. This is becoming a family war, and this did not need to happen until after Haleigh is found. It's very sad on both sides.....

[newsjunkie]

Video goes back to Ron and Geraldo.
Ron denies telling Chad anything about the case.
He denies ever hitting his child. He denies hitting Crystal. "Never have I ever hit any woman".

He denies doing drugs.

He says he was never in the drug trade.
Never drugs in his house.

Ron's family is now running Geraldo off.
((this is not live))

Ron appeals to the abductor.

Back to live video now.
Expert witnesses after the short break.



If any of this was true Ron wouldn't have gotten custody.

[IM4Truth]

Geeeez.....Ron is under the influence of something in the interview with GR. This is becoming a family war, and this did not need to happen until after Haleigh is found. It's very sad on both sides.....

So much for the families coming together on this........

[breeze53]

Geraldo's on! :biggrin:


I just watched some of it. I think Ron knows something. He did imo act drugged tonight. I think he knows alot more then hes telling too. It's like he wants it to all look good on him like hes never been in trouble, never done drugs, omg what a fake.

[Peaches]

Geeeez.....Ron is under the influence of something in the interview with GR. This is becoming a family war, and this did not need to happen until after Haleigh is found. It's very sad on both sides.....


I agree!

Why couldn't Crystal and her mother wait until they found Haleigh to air this?

[PolyGraph]

woowwwww is any one watching helrado??? he is going off on ron, ron looks higher than a kite but that could be medication they may have put him on...the families are divided, and now fighting...weird...brb

[catdoc]

Picture of Hayleigh---definitely NOT beaten to a pulp. Scrape on nose and slight swelling on Lt. eye, not blackened. Looks very much like school accident.

[n/t]

This is just horrible.

[Peaches]

If any of this was true Ron wouldn't have gotten custody.



Exactly.............they would have used this abuse at the court hearing/custody hearing.

[PolyGraph]

I just watched some of it. I think Ron knows something. He did imo act drugged tonight. I think he knows alot more then hes telling too. It's like he wants it to all look good on him like hes never been in trouble, never done drugs, omg what a fake. I know i really feel bad for both parents but he does look higher than a 747 tonight.

[Elvish2]

:scared: The cops will be there soon Ièm sure! Reality TV, at the expence of an innocent CHILD.:thumbdown:

[hooked2]

Well, way to create a volitile situation Geraldo :cursing:

This info is important for LE... but he has no right going in there and creating this type of explosive atmosphere! I honestly fear for everyone's life now! Sure hope this helps Haleigh, but I'm having a hard time seeing it at this point. eeee gads.

[FrankieBones1]

Crystal swears that she told Geraldo the truth and nothing but the truth.

Crystal's mom is now speaking. Nov 6 and 12th is when Ron took her to the hospital.

There were so many school absences that she says that he should be in jail for that.

Elizabeth Radner is now speaking about the law.

Graig Rivera says that Misty was molested by two men.
Jeremy Miller in 2006
Misty's mom filed a petition so Misty could testify.

Another name is coming later.

[n/t]

When did this alleged beating/accident happen? Did they say?

[bluwaters]

I just watched some of it. I think Ron knows something. He did imo act drugged tonight. I think he knows alot more then hes telling too. It's like he wants it to all look good on him like hes never been in trouble, never done drugs, omg what a fake.
Oh, this is so disturbing.
He knows the records are out there, why deny it?
I have always thought he was violent though. :sad:
What is Crystal gaining by airing all of this?
How is this helping to find Haleigh?
I am so confused again.:confused:

[IM4Truth]

Crystal swears that she told Geraldo the truth and nothing but the truth.

Crystal's mom is now speaking. Nov 6 and 12th is when Ron took her to the hospital.

There were so many school absences that she says that he should be in jail for that.

Elizabeth Radner is now speaking about the law.

Graig Rivera says that Misty was molested by two men.
Jeremy Miller in 2006
Misty's mom filed a petition so Misty could testify.

Another name is coming later.


If Haleigh fell at school on Nov 6, why did he wait 6 more days before he took her to the hospital? I'm sure the school has records of every scratch or mark on her and I'm betting there were more by the time he took her to the hospital.

[ConchGirl]

Geeeez.....Ron is under the influence of something in the interview with GR. This is becoming a family war, and this did not need to happen until after Haleigh is found. It's very sad on both sides.....

She did have a black eye in the photo. Allegedly the school accident happened on Nov. 6th and he took her to the hospital on the 12th.

[n/t]

What a mess. :sad:

[Rick777]

In all fairness to Ron, I thought he held his compusure pretty well with GR grilling him. It was his family that got aggravated.

Also.....Crystal comes across as innocent, but the fact is Ron got custody of the kids when men usually don't unless the mom is REALLY screwed up!

[IlliniFan]

What a mess!!!!!

[catdoc]

How can you believe any of it when GR establishes himself as a liar with the picture of Hayleigh. Not bad at all. Nothing to go the hospital for. He described it as "Beaten to a pulp". What a crock.

[PolyGraph]

Exactly.............they would have used this abuse at the court hearing/custody hearing.
not true! Judges do make mistake s beleive me i now first hand...just ask all the moms who lost custody when they tried to claim abuse and the judge would not believe them, or they couldnt talk because the other person has an attorney or wouldnt let certain evidence out...custody decisions are not always correct or perfect, in fact most of the time fathers are given split custody even when there is a history of violence and/or drugs/alcohol, I am soo surprised at how many people think custody decisions are always fair. If the judge in this case didnt hear the moms side enough and she admitted to drug use (even if ron lied about his) she would have lost on that fact alone, and also because maybe she did not know how to present her evidence against him and when he knew how to be more evidence savy he won custody. I do not think the child should have been with either personally, perhaps rons mom or crystals mom but not the parents. MOO

[FrankieBones1]

Ron's family says that he took the child the day of the accident (the 6th) and then again on the 12th.


Geraldo then tells his audience that he is not accusing Ron of anything.

He then goes on to report on the Levy case.

[VC2]

yes
She was sitting on a couch with a huge smile.
You could see some small injuries.

She was not beaten to a pulp as Geraldo has been saying.

and the school nurse confirmed it Ron saying it happened at school.
If they lie about this, then i can't beleive them on the other accusations as there is nothing worse than suggesting someone beat their daughter when there is a neutral 3rd party to dispute it. (school nurse)

imo

[playnice]

She did have a black eye in the photo. Allegedly the school accident happened on Nov. 6th and he took her to the hospital on the 12th.

The hospital would be able to tell the age of the bruises if they were old or fresh ones.

Is there proof he waited 6 days and if there is, why so long?

sorry. didnt know that she was taken on the 6th and again. there would be records to verify this. Actually before this was reported this stuff should have been confirmed or denied by the school nurse and medical records.

[PolyGraph]

In all fairness to Ron, I thought he held his compusure pretty well with GR grilling him. It was his family that got aggravated.

Also.....Crystal comes across as innocent, but the fact is Ron got custody of the kids when men usually don't unless the mom is REALLY screwed up!
Or she doesnt have an attorney, is uneducated on court processes, and is not well spoken, read above post i wrote, and hi rick! lol

[IM4Truth]

Oh, this is so disturbing.
He knows the records are out there, why deny it?
I have always thought he was violent though. :sad:
What is Crystal gaining by airing all of this?
How is this helping to find Haleigh?
I am so confused again.:confused:

Maybe Crystal wants the truth to come out so they can find Haleigh? I believe he is violent too, especially the way he talked to Misty while on the 911 call. It sounds like Ron might have an idea where she is, but why wouldn't he go after her? Bad drug deal?

[FrankieBones1]

Isn't Crystal the same one who wouldn't get out of bed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments???

Yes. That is what is in the court docs.

[breeze53]

Oh, this is so disturbing.
He knows the records are out there, why deny it?
I have always thought he was violent though. :sad:
What is Crystal gaining by airing all of this?
How is this helping to find Haleigh?
I am so confused again.:confused:


At the moment i am believeing Crystal not that i think it's right that she aired this right now.
Ron looked shocked when big G was asking him questions.
Maybe if Haleigh is found alive neither one of these parents will get her or jr.
He sure acted Fake when he was saying he loved his daughter.
This isnt helping at all to find there child. Wouldnt surprise me a bit if there's not a huge fight in that neighbor hood in a little while.
Geez shut the H up and just get back to finding this missing child.

[Peaches]

Ron's family says that he took the child the day of the accident (the 6th) and then again on the 12th.


Geraldo then tells his audience that he is not accusing Ron of anything.

He then goes on to report on the Levy case.


Thanks Frankie.............I appreciate your posting this!

Boy............what a mess.

[Peaches]

not true! Judges do make mistake s beleive me i now first hand...just ask all the moms who lost custody when they tried to claim abuse and the judge would not believe them, or they couldnt talk because the other person has an attorney or wouldnt let certain evidence out...custody decisions are not always correct or perfect, in fact most of the time fathers are given split custody even when there is a history of violence and/or drugs/alcohol, I am soo surprised at how many people think custody decisions are always fair. If the judge in this case didnt hear the moms side enough and she admitted to drug use (even if ron lied about his) she would have lost on that fact alone, and also because maybe she did not know how to present her evidence against him and when he knew how to be more evidence savy he won custody. I do not think the child should have been with either personally, perhaps rons mom or crystals mom but not the parents. MOO


If a judge gave my childen to anyone, I would live close enough to know what was going on in their lives.

I would not see them every other week-end.

[PolyGraph]

:ohmy:

Poor Haleigh.:sad: hey NT I feel like that child never had a chance with parents like that moo... I have no tolerance or patience for people who do drugs, not even the smallest bit!

[IM4Truth]

At the moment i am believeing Crystal not that i think it's right that she aired this right now.
Ron looked shocked when big G was asking him questions.
Maybe if Haleigh is found alive neither one of these parents will get her or jr.
He sure acted Fake when he was saying he loved his daughter.
This isnt helping at all to find there child. Wouldnt surprise me a bit if there's not a huge fight in that neighbor hood in a little while.
Geez shut the H up and just get back to finding this missing child.

Before the break, GR said there was another name involved with the molestation of Misty and said he would get to that later, but then after a short time, he went straight to the Chandra Levy case. Is he coming back to Haleigh?

[Peaches]

Isn't Crystal the same one who wouldn't get out of bed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments???



Yes.................and called Haleigh and Jr. BRATS on her myspacepage

[Rick777]

Usually when there are HUGE allegations like this, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Hi Poly!

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=VC2;12814782]and the school nurse confirmed it Ron saying it happened at school.
If they lie about this, then i can't beleive them on the other accusations as there is nothing worse than suggesting someone beat their daughter when there is a neutral 3rd party to dispute it. (school nurse)

imo[/QUOTE


Exactly, VC2!

[n/t]

Maybe this is what was needed to break the stalemate. It was getting pretty old to hear Misty's changing stories.

Nothing like pressure to crack the ice.

moo

It's no wonder LE continues to say everyone is still a suspect. Good Gawd. :scared:

[newsjunkie]

In all fairness to Ron, I thought he held his compusure pretty well with GR grilling him. It was his family that got aggravated.

Also.....Crystal comes across as innocent, but the fact is Ron got custody of the kids when men usually don't unless the mom is REALLY screwed up!



ITA and I find it funny how everyone can bash Geraldo then go and agree with him.

If Ron had called Geraldo into this mess he would have been exactly on the opposite side.

Someone asked why Crystal would say this, what was in it for her.......I tend to think she see's her chance to get custody back JMO

[IM4Truth]

Does GR pay for these interviews? Do you think this was a set up to sensationalize the story? Maybe he paid Crystal's family a nice sum to say these things? Crystal says she can tell when Ron isn't really crying, I see her sniffling a lot too, and not a tear.

[IM4Truth]

Yes.................and called Haleigh and Jr. BRATS on her myspacepage

Does anyone have a link to her myspace page?

[breeze53]

hey NT I feel like that child never had a chance with parents like that moo... I have no tolerance or patience for people who do drugs, not even the smallest bit!

Me either.

[PolyGraph]

If a judge gave my childen to anyone, I would live close enough to know what was going on in their lives.

I would not see them every other week-end. yeah your telling me I did jail time for kidnapping my own kids so believe me I know!!! charges were finally dropped when they saw all the evidence of abuse and crap I went through before I sought help in an abuse shelter and took off. If only people would understand that the law is not perfect and innocent people can get in trouble just trying to PROTECT their children!!!

[5boxersmom]

I just can't help but think maybe the families were getting a long until GR came down there starting trouble.

Gosh did anyone take care of this little girl like she should have been taken care of?

imo

[playnice]

ITA and I find it funny how everyone can bash Geraldo then go and agree with him.

If Ron had called Geraldo into this mess he would have been exactly on the opposite side.

Someone asked why Crystal would say this, what was in it for her.......I tend to think she see's her chance to get custody back JMO

I agree. The custody thing. But these allegations should be easy to prove or dispute. You have medical records and the school.

[n/t]

hey NT I feel like that child never had a chance with parents like that moo... I have no tolerance or patience for people who do drugs, not even the smallest bit!

Hiya! I wonder who's watching Junior when all this is going on? Someone needs to step in and take that child away from this hostility. This is just awful.

[FrankieBones1]

When did this alleged beating/accident happen? Did they say?

November the 6th
was the alleged date of the accident at school.


She said that Haleigh wasn't taken to the hospital for another six days after that.


Ron's mom said that it happened on the 6th of November and he took her to the hospital that day and then again on the 12th.

[sunstar]

I just watched some of it. I think Ron knows something. He did imo act drugged tonight. I think he knows alot more then hes telling too. It's like he wants it to all look good on him like hes never been in trouble, never done drugs, omg what a fake.

One thing I noticed is Crystal admitted to both of them using cocaine when Ron hit her when she just found out she was pregnant with Haleigh, she quit using, he continued. He denied anything to do with drugs when Geraldo asked him his side of the story. He's calling them liars. At the end just when Geraldo's cameras were leaving, after his mother chased Geraldo away, Ron comes up to the camera and makes a plea for Haleigh's return, tells her how much he loves her, and says he'll believe she's alive until she's found.

[PolyGraph]

Ron just might lose custody of Junior with all this aired on National TV. How could Child Protective Services ignore these allegations?

I bet they don't appreciate a 17 yr old in charge of two kids alone thru the night. Ron's lifestyle as it once was, is about to change. A better change for Junior at least.

moo child services should step in and tell them they cant be left alone with junior without the gm around...at least she seems sober...a nd possibly the kid would have half a chance...

[emdragon]

ITA and I find it funny how everyone can bash Geraldo then go and agree with him.

If Ron had called Geraldo into this mess he would have been exactly on the opposite side.

Someone asked why Crystal would say this, what was in it for her.......I tend to think she see's her chance to get custody back JMO

And Geraldo pays for stories.

[ann10]

yeah your telling me I did jail time for kidnapping my own kids so believe me I know!!! charges were finally dropped when they saw all the evidence of abuse and crap I went through before I sought help in an abuse shelter and took off. If only people would understand that the law is not perfect and innocent people can get in trouble just trying to PROTECT their children!!!


You did the right thing, Polly. So sorry you had to endure that. I fear that this poor little girl had no one in her life taking proper care of her.

[newsjunkie]

One thing I noticed is Crystal admitted to both of them using cocaine when Ron hit her when she just found out she was pregnant with Haleigh, she quit using, he continued. He denied anything to do with drugs when Geraldo asked him his side of the story. He's calling them liars. At the end just when Geraldo's cameras were leaving, after his mother chased Geraldo away, Ron comes up to the camera and makes a plea for Haleigh's return, tells her how much he loves her, and says he'll believe she's alive until she's found.


Maybe Geraldo picked up on Ron's pleas and sent a memo to Biaz showing him how a parent acts when their child goes missing,

Has Crystal used any of her camera time to plead for her child's return?

[IM4Truth]

I just can't help but think maybe the families were getting a long until GR came down there starting trouble.

Gosh did anyone take care of this little girl like she should have been taken care of?

imo

There are so many children out there being abused & neglected by their parents. It is so sad.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I completely missed Geraldo ... and trying to read the posts to get caught up on all of it but I am confused

What was stated on there?

Last i heard was there was a photo of Haleigh with a beatup face and some say by her dad and others say it happened in school?

Who beats up a five year old in school? and who sends a child to school with a beat up face if they did it?

Color me confused!

Any more word on the cousin from Tenn with a record of sexual molestation?

Work so interferes with the real world lol

[KatyDid]

Crystal swears that she told Geraldo the truth and nothing but the truth.

Crystal's mom is now speaking. Nov 6 and 12th is when Ron took her to the hospital.

There were so many school absences that she says that he should be in jail for that.

Elizabeth Radner is now speaking about the law.

Graig Rivera says that Misty was molested by two men.
Jeremy Miller in 2006
Misty's mom filed a petition so Misty could testify.

Another name is coming later.

I thought the other person that molested her was her first cousin. I thought I heard Geraldo say that.

:confused:

[Peaches]

yeah your telling me I did jail time for kidnapping my own kids so believe me I know!!! charges were finally dropped when they saw all the evidence of abuse and crap I went through before I sought help in an abuse shelter and took off. If only people would understand that the law is not perfect and innocent people can get in trouble just trying to PROTECT their children!!!


Sorry that happened to you...............I was lucky and blessed to have had a wonderful husband who was good to me and our children.

BUT...........I love my children enough to be there for them no matter what..............just as you do yours.

I am happy things worked out for you!

[playnice]

child services should step in and tell them they cant be left alone with junior without the gm around...at least she seems sober...a nd possibly the kid would have half a chance...

Wouldnt LE have asked him now to take a drug test?
I do believe child services needs to investigate these claims to see if they are true or just from an angry ex. Maybe JR would be better off away from both of them right now. It seems the stress is esculating between the families.

[n/t]

November the 6th
was the alleged date of the accident at school.


She said that Haleigh wasn't taken to the hospital for another six days after that.


Ron's mom said that it happened on the 6th of November and he took her to the hospital that day and then again on the 12th.

Thanks Frankie. I honestly don't know who and what to believe anymore. This is unbelievable. LE must be pulling their hair out. In the meantime, there's still a little girl missing without a trace. What a disgrace!:crying:

[Rick777]

Ya know.....all that theatre had nothing to do with finding Haleigh. All those people should be scouring the earth to find that little girl. If Geraldo's brother is such a great investigator, then he needs to find Haleigh and stop worrying about who messed with Misty.

[5boxersmom]

Geraldo says Ron needs to be honest about his associates. Ok who is to say that Ron has not told LE everything? He owes GR nothing.

imo

[breeze53]

neither did Ron obviously.... and now his daughter is missing :rolleyes:


I am to the point i dont like any of them:cursing:
Just bring Haleigh home.

[esmile]

I think the case just turned. I have a sinking feeling in my stomach after seeing the heat put to the father, Ron. He studdered, flushed when asked questions, he seemed guilty in his expressions. He has a hot temper and apparently uses that temper to put people into fear so they don't talk.

He has no enemies?
He's never done drugs?
He's never hit the child, except where protective services say it's okay, on the bottom?
He never hit his ex while married?

Now that all this is up for questioning, there will be some people digging to find out how many times child services has been called to his house and how many times there have been domestic disputes.

And now we know why Misty is so nervous and fearful in her behavior. She probably knows exactly what happened.

[5boxersmom]

There are so many children out there being abused & neglected by their parents. It is so sad.

Yes it is. :sad:

[PolyGraph]

You did the right thing, Polly. So sorry you had to endure that. I fear that this poor little girl had no one in her life taking proper care of her.
thank you ann, I have ptsd to this day ever since that awful worst day of my life happened, Im getting over it, but its hard, I was only separated from my kids for six weeks, but knowing who they were with it was like a LIFE TIME. I was completely freaking out I called Ohprah, Heraldo (no one called me back lol) I even wrote senator hillary clinton, she never wrote back, next time Im calling Nancy!!! lol

These are EXACTLY the reasons I get so upset when children are abused and neglected. it seems that these little ones were indeed neglected with all the drug use going on and Im sure this ties into this case somehow, my guess is it has somethign to do with someone that mysti let over to the house and maybe she fell asleep and the guy took off with haleigh, or maybe she really wasnt home and then it happened, but i think she knows who was in that house that night! possibly ron might know too...MOO

[playnice]

I dont know what to think. I couldnt see it but most of you seem to agree that Ron seemed high tonight.
What a mess.

[catdoc]

I do not think Ron looked drugged tonite. No slurring words. No unsteadiness. Pupils normal for lighting. I think He looks exhausted. No sleep, overwhelmed. Like this attack on national TV by his ex and her family was th last kick to a dead horse. His voice broke and cracked and he teared up when he tried to shift the conversation back to an appeal to a kidnapper to bring her home.

Crystal doesn't seem to care. Never any tears. Never knows anything about the children's lives. Her Myspace looks like a boy crazy teenager's and she's the mother of three. Found unfit for custodybut doesn't really care because she has a new man and a baby with him. Meanwhile has done nothing to help take care of the babies she has with each new boyfriend--like get educated, get a job, get married, anything. Did anyone see how her mother stood with her chin up and a hateful look like "I'm a bitter woman and I'm finally getting my revenge!"

I'm throughly disgusted with the mother and her family. Ron is no role model but his mistakes seem to be before fatherhood. He fought for and provides for his kids when many fathers leave the mother hi and dry when they are so young.

I suspect this may be about revenge and the contempt of court proceedings that are pending being for unpaid child support by Crystal.

[sunstar]

Maybe Geraldo picked up on Ron's pleas and sent a memo to Biaz showing him how a parent acts when their child goes missing,

Has Crystal used any of her camera time to plead for her child's return?

I think she did on Nancy's show.

[esmile]

Ya know.....all that theatre had nothing to do with finding Haleigh. All those people should be scouring the earth to find that little girl. If Geraldo's brother is such a great investigator, then he needs to find Haleigh and stop worrying about who messed with Misty.

I don't agree. If Ron's temper blew then they are looking for her somewhere around that house or where Ron is comfortable. That changes the search.

But I think LE knows a whole lot more than they have said, as they have been very quiet. GR tipped LE hand in my view. They knew some of this and were keeping it quiet. If GR did anything he jumped the gun and didn't let the process work out the way it's supposed to. But I do think these facts change the situation.

[Rick777]

Ron is/has been on drugs....we all know that from his rap sheet, and the fact he was messed up tonight. He denies it though. Crystal obviously wants to get custody of the remaining kid because she feels foolish not having custody. This is a web of lies, backstabbing, revenge, etc.....

Now I understand why LE can't get anywhere with these people!

[IM4Truth]

I think the case just turned. I have a sinking feeling in my stomach after seeing the heat put to the father, Ron. He studdered, flushed when asked questions, he seemed guilty in his expressions. He has a hot temper and apparently uses that temper to put people into fear so they don't talk.

He has no enemies?
He's never done drugs?
He's never hit the child, except where protective services say it's okay, on the bottom?
He never hit his ex while married?

Now that all this is up for questioning, there will be some people digging to find out how many times child services has been called to his house and how many times there have been domestic disputes.

And now we know why Misty is so nervous and fearful in her behavior. She probably knows exactly what happened.

I wonder if it is possible that Misty actually let someone in or they barged in and maybe took Haleigh at gunpoint? But why would the back screen door be propped open like that?

[sunstar]

I dont know what to think. I couldnt see it but most of you seem to agree that Ron seemed high tonight.
What a mess.

He didn't seem "high" to me, but :shrug: . He didn't seem as angry at Geraldo as I first thought was going to happen and it was his mother and other family that seemed to want Geraldo & crew to get out of there.

[Rick777]

Ron was high or drunk tonight, come on. Just compare him to all his other interviews. His eyes were glazed. Life has not been easy lately, so ya can't really blame him.

[bluwaters]

I just can't help but think maybe the families were getting a long until GR came down there starting trouble.

Gosh did anyone take care of this little girl like she should have been taken care of?

imo
You know, I think that they tried to look united. It started falling apart by the end of the week. It was clear that the two families were again in separate camps and very divided.
Crystal was starting to say things that showed a lack of trust in Misty.
Ron didn't come out of the tent yesterday, with his mom and sister left to do the PC.
Ron's mother said that Misty was not there, but had gone to her home.
She made a point of saying that Misty did have a home.
It looks like things are unraveling.
Whether it's good or bad, I don't know.
I only hope that Haleigh is found soon. :sad:

[5boxersmom]

If Ron did something to Haleigh and Misty knows it and is afraid. Then why not tell LE? They will arrest him and then he couldn't do anything to her. :shrug:

imo

[VC2]

I dont know what to think. I couldnt see it but most of you seem to agree that Ron seemed high tonight.
What a mess.

i thought exhausted and maybe on a tranquilizer which is understandable

[IlliniFan]

Geraldo asked Ron a couple of times if he was an informant.

That would certainly add a twist to all of this.

[ConchGirl]

Marie the grandmas says Haleigh has 12 unexcused absences, 9 excused and 6 tardies in 115 days.

[Rick777]

Geraldo asked Ron a couple of times if he was an informant.

That would certainly add a twist to all of this.


I caught that too. Very interesting......

[5boxersmom]

I caught that too. Very interesting......

If he was/is he will probably end up dead now thanks to GR.

imo

[esmile]

thank you ann, I have ptsd to this day ever since that awful worst day of my life happened, Im getting over it, but its hard, I was only separated from my kids for six weeks, but knowing who they were with it was like a LIFE TIME. I was completely freaking out I called Ohprah, Heraldo (no one called me back lol) I even wrote senator hillary clinton, she never wrote back, next time Im calling Nancy!!! lol

These are EXACTLY the reasons I get so upset when children are abused and neglected. it seems that these little ones were indeed neglected with all the drug use going on and Im sure this ties into this case somehow, my guess is it has somethign to do with someone that mysti let over to the house and maybe she fell asleep and the guy took off with haleigh, or maybe she really wasnt home and then it happened, but i think she knows who was in that house that night! possibly ron might know too...MOO

Misty's cousin has a myspace page. If you click on the photos you can see the pot, gang signs, gang apparel and gang behavior. IF that is the cousin that was visiting he had drugs with him, most likely pot and Misty was probably high when the little girl went missing. That might be the reason she seems so foggy on details.

We have here a terrible environment for kids - domestic violence, drugs, doors unlocked in the middle of the night.

[5boxersmom]

Joe Overstreet Misty's cousin.

Did you all hear what the neighbor just said?

[VC2]

I do not think Ron looked drugged tonite. No slurring words. No unsteadiness. Pupils normal for lighting. I think He looks exhausted. No sleep, overwhelmed. Like this attack on national TV by his ex and her family was th last kick to a dead horse. His voice broke and cracked and he teared up when he tried to shift the conversation back to an appeal to a kidnapper to bring her home.

Crystal doesn't seem to care. Never any tears. Never knows anything about the children's lives. Her Myspace looks like a boy crazy teenager's and she's the mother of three. Found unfit for custodybut doesn't really care because she has a new man and a baby with him. Meanwhile has done nothing to help take care of the babies she has with each new boyfriend--like get educated, get a job, get married, anything. Did anyone see how her mother stood with her chin up and a hateful look like "I'm a bitter woman and I'm finally getting my revenge!"

I'm throughly disgusted with the mother and her family. Ron is no role model but his mistakes seem to be before fatherhood. He fought for and provides for his kids when many fathers leave the mother hi and dry when they are so young.

I suspect this may be about revenge and the contempt of court proceedings that are pending being for unpaid child support by Crystal.

ITA!!! and btw... i hadn't heard about the contempt of court for unpaid child support, but if true it makes me wonder about crystal or fiancee's motive to take haleigh. I do know she was ordered to pay support.

I think she is contemptible, unbelievable and a disgrace to mothers..i can understand Casey Anthony better than i can crystal. Casey at least is a sociopath so cant be expected to care. Ron is no saint but seems to be doing everything he can for his kids, and has searched daily, taken a poly, works hard to provide for them.

imo

[esmile]

If Ron did something to Haleigh and Misty knows it and is afraid. Then why not tell LE? They will arrest him and then he couldn't do anything to her. :shrug:

imo

1. She loves him
2. She has no where to go

[tootie]

Can anyone confirm this information, junior has stated to his mother a man in black came in a took Haleigh from the home?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister

[FrankieBones1]

Back to Geraldo and his live camera:

Amanda Kerns was a neighbour of Crystal and Ron's and says that there was a lot of arguing and abusive language from Ron.

Craig Rivera mentions Jeremy again and relays what Misty told him about her cousin, Joe. He says a cousin, Joe Overstreet was visiting just before Haleigh went missing. Misty told Craig Rivera that Joe molested her and another girl.

Chad is there, too. He is the father of Crystal's baby, Chloe. He is afraid of Ron to an extent but will not go into what kind of threats he experienced.

[Rick777]

Joe Overstreet Misty's cousin.

Did you all hear what the neighbor just said?


NO! Tell me!

[n/t]

Marie the grandmas says Haleigh has 12 unexcused absences, 9 excused and 6 tardies in 115 days.

What pisses me off is why didn't they look into this before? Now that this poor girl is missing, it's an issue? WTH is wrong with these people? All of them!!

[PolyGraph]

I was just watching gr and crytals fiance actually looks like a decent guy, when ask if he was afraid of ron, he mentioned some threats but refused to go into all of it and was like 'lets stick to finding haleigh' or something similar to that, he seems pretty nice if crystal could get custody back *is she is clean now* i think the children would be better off with her (and her mom present) MOO

[PolyGraph]

I don't know if Ron did anything to her but I think Misty knows more about what happened than she's saying and she doesnt want to say more because she's afraid of Ron and his anger.

Maybe Misty did something DUMB like let someone visit that Ron doesn't know about.... and now she's scared to say so because she fears what he'll do.

They all seem dysfunctional to me and Ron has a scary temper.

JMO I agree with everything you just said 100 percent!

[bluwaters]

Geraldo asked Ron a couple of times if he was an informant.

That would certainly add a twist to all of this.

That could get Ron killed.

[Rick777]

Can anyone confirm this information, junior has stated to his mother a man in black came in a took Haleigh from the home?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister


wow.:confused:

[FrankieBones1]

Can anyone confirm this information, junior has stated to his mother a man in black came in a took Haleigh from the home?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister


Now, that certainly is interesting. But why on earth would Crystal not mention this tonight on live TV with Geraldo if true?

[5boxersmom]

NO! Tell me!

She said she heard cussing and fighting going on. Yelling at the kids. Baby crying? Then she said Crystal instead of Misty. So I guess she was Ron and Crystals neighbor at one time?

I thought she was Ron and Misty's neighbor until she said that?

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

I do not think Ron looked drugged tonite. No slurring words. No unsteadiness. Pupils normal for lighting. I think He looks exhausted. No sleep, overwhelmed. Like this attack on national TV by his ex and her family was th last kick to a dead horse. His voice broke and cracked and he teared up when he tried to shift the conversation back to an appeal to a kidnapper to bring her home.

Crystal doesn't seem to care. Never any tears. Never knows anything about the children's lives. Her Myspace looks like a boy crazy teenager's and she's the mother of three. Found unfit for custodybut doesn't really care because she has a new man and a baby with him. Meanwhile has done nothing to help take care of the babies she has with each new boyfriend--like get educated, get a job, get married, anything. Did anyone see how her mother stood with her chin up and a hateful look like "I'm a bitter woman and I'm finally getting my revenge!"

I'm throughly disgusted with the mother and her family. Ron is no role model but his mistakes seem to be before fatherhood. He fought for and provides for his kids when many fathers leave the mother hi and dry when they are so young.

I suspect this may be about revenge and the contempt of court proceedings that are pending being for unpaid child support by Crystal.


I too think much of this is based on a NEED TO EXACT REVENGE and who better to provide an assist than the MOST DISCREDITED GERALDO IMOO. barf

[IM4Truth]

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

This page looks very similar to a little friend of mine who is only 14!

[esmile]

Misty's Cousins MySpace Page
http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b

check out these 4 photo pages - pot/gang stuff is more than clear
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=269248876&albumId=618342

Misty is in one of the first photos, photo looks recent

[Peaches]

Now, that certainly is interesting. But why on earth would Crystal not mention this tonight on live TV with Geraldo if true?


And I heard her say this .............her son told her a man in black took Haleigh and that she called the LE and did not question him.

This was not mentioned because it did not make Ron look bad.

[Magnum357]

If a judge gave my childen to anyone, I would live close enough to know what was going on in their lives.

I would not see them every other week-end.

Since Crystal only saw the kids ever other weekend, one would think she would have called once in during that 2 week span.

[tootie]

Now, that certainly is interesting. But why on earth would Crystal not mention this tonight on live TV with Geraldo if true?

That's why I'm trying to find out if it is true or not. Hmmm.

[FrankieBones1]

Catdoc, I agree with you about Ron. He didn't look high to me. He seemed like he may have had some Xanax to help with anxiety, knowing he would be grilled by Geraldo.

We have all seen the court docs regarding his drug crimes years ago. I wish that he didn't deny ever doing drugs to Geraldo. Honesty is always best policy.

[Rick777]

Sorry I am a little confused. Is Josh the missing RSO?


Chad Reynolds?

[FrankieBones1]

That's why I'm trying to find out if it is true or not. Hmmm.

Jax.com isn't a reputable news source, is it?

[sunstar]

Geraldo asked Ron a couple of times if he was an informant.

That would certainly add a twist to all of this.

I thought that was interesting too! He quickly denied it though and stated where he does work. Of course any informant would do that so who knows!! :sneaky:

[Rick777]

Jax.com isn't a reputable news source, is it?


Well either is the National Enquierer, but they have been hot lately in other cases.

[tootie]

Jax.com isn't a reputable news source, is it?

I truly don't know. That's why I was trying to find out if anyone could confirm this or not.

[Peaches]

Since Crystal only saw the kids ever other weekend, one would think she would have called once in during that 2 week span.


Exactly. I think she was happy that she did not have to care for them. After all, she would not get out of bed to take her sick child to the doctor.

I feel that Haleigh does not have very good parents .............but, I do feel that Ron does love his children and that he does work to support them. I do not know this family ----------- only what I am reading--------and you know what that means..............some information is wrong.

Poor children............

[VC2]

Now, that certainly is interesting. But why on earth would Crystal not mention this tonight on live TV with Geraldo if true?

because it doesn't get Ron in trouble or make him look bad of course. Crystal has one thing on her mind only and it is not haleigh IMO

[hooked2]

Geraldo asked Ron a couple of times if he was an informant.

That would certainly add a twist to all of this.
Yeah, and if he was, he certainly isn't anymore!

[sunstar]

I was talking about Josh Duckett, he is the same age as Ron and his son trenton was went missing from Leesberg in 2005.

I heard Crystal mention they lived there and wonder if they (R/C and Josh) knew each other then?

[FrankieBones1]

And I heard her say this .............her son told her a man in black took Haleigh and that she called the LE and did not question him.

This was not mentioned because it did not make Ron look bad.


You heard Crystal say it? When was this? This is a bombshell. It should be all over the news.

[CANDYKISSES]

She said she heard cussing and fighting going on. Yelling at the kids. Baby crying? Then she said Crystal instead of Misty. So I guess she was Ron and Crystals neighbor at one time?

I thought she was Ron and Misty's neighbor until she said that?

imo


I think Marie Griffis, Crystal Sheffield and the OLD NEIGHBOR came with hatchets in hand for the job and GERALDO was most graciously providing an ASSIST. I believe that with all my heart NEITHER PARENT IS FIT FOR CUSTODY IMO, however, the COURTS felt differently and Crystal doesn't look anything like READY TO MOTHER HALEIGH and JUNIOR from my POV. She walked out on those children and has not used every resource available IF SHE WAS ABUSED....JMOOC. There are so many resources available once a victim makes up their mind THEY ARE FINISHED IMO and what we are seeing now seems to fit a REGRET and REVENGE SEEKING MISSION for things not done as well as those done in the PAST. JMOOC.

FAST FORWARD for CRYSTAL and MARIE, it's time to move on unless maybe Crystal got a whopper of a settlement recently from her car accident and fears it could be taken for unpaid support IMOO.

This is about the time she would be getting something ironed out and Chloe certainly doesn't appear to be WANTING For ANYTHING from the pictures and those pictures aren't cheap either. Maybe it's Chad paying for the goodies, and maybe there hasn't been a settlement, but CRYSTAL has much to atone for in this situation too. JMO.

Ron is not my cup of tea, but I do happen to believe he loves his children and don't buy he beat Haleigh like they are alleging. JMO, but the kiddos wouldn't be there if SOCIAL SERVICES EVEN SUSPECTED the injuries didn't match the description of what happened IMO. :shrug:

[PolyGraph]

Misty's Cousins MySpace Page
http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b

check out these 4 photo pages - pot/gang stuff is more than clear
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=269248876&albumId=618342

Misty is in one of the first photos, photo looks recent wwoooowww, wonder if his mom knows about this??? his myspace is a bit too telling...although hes much younger than I thought if he raped mysti when she was 13 or molested her, then he was only 14, hard to believe it was molest at that point..but who knows, he could have forced her...but I think the whole family seems messed up MOO

[5boxersmom]

That could get Ron killed.

Or Haleigh is someone was holding her for that reason. :crying:

GR should have never ask Ron that.

imo

[VC2]

That's why I'm trying to find out if it is true or not. Hmmm.

It was on Fox this morning with a reporter at the scene.

frankie agree he didn't look high, or at least not more than to be expected if he took an anti anxiety med.

[Peaches]

You heard Crystal say it? When was this? This is a bombshell. It should be all over the news.


Some one earlier today posted the website and I clicked on and listened...............it was either 1 am or 3 am today

[Dovey]

I don't post on this board but I do read it alot.
I asked my DD to send her BIL who is a Medical Dr., some links to view the video's of Misty and Ron and offer his opinion even though he has not treated Misty or Ron in any medical way.

He observed that:
Misty's eyes are dialated most likely due to drugs use, probably Meth. This is why when Misty is outside she can't keep her eyes open, it's not due to crying. He did not observe this with Ron.
Drug use or being high, could also be why "if " Haleigh was abducted Misty did not hear anything.
Just opinions

[esmile]

I wonder if it is possible that Misty actually let someone in or they barged in and maybe took Haleigh at gunpoint? But why would the back screen door be propped open like that?

I tend to think of 2 things when I see a door propped open. A lot of coming and going of a lot of people (keeps the door open for them all) or someone carrying something through. But I don't think if they were stealing a child they would prop it for one trip through the door carrying someone or walking out with someone.

I think there may have been the cousins and a few friends over that day and they propped the door open and partied. Misty probably passed out at some point and when she woke up one child was gone. I can't help but think that all these people do drugs together which makes a lot of other problems come about.

[Cheri_G]

Marie the grandmas says Haleigh has 12 unexcused absences, 9 excused and 6 tardies in 115 days.

I'm behind in news on everything right now, but if this is correct then that should have raised some serious red flags within the school. Unexcused absences usually means someone is skipping school. At five, Haleigh is a little young to be skipping school at all let alone on such a frequent basis.

[ConchGirl]

I can't believe that none of them have lawyered up yet. Unless they are all busy with the Anthony case. :shrug:

[bluwaters]

Jax.com isn't a reputable news source, is it?
Jacksonville.com is the web site for the Jacksonville Times-Union.
I never thought it was a great paper, but it is the main newspaper in Jacksonville. It isn't a tabloid, if that is what you mean.

[catdoc]

Since Crystal only saw the kids ever other weekend, one would think she would have called once in during that 2 week span.

But she didn't. I heard her say in an interview that she had not seen OR SPOKEN to Hayleigh in two weeks.

[tootie]

It was in the news Frankie. What little guy that's scared doesn't say, the boogie man, or the man in black came into my room. I don't think its a biggie at all.

moo

I never thought of it that way you could be right. Maybe that is all there is to that. :shrug:

[Mayasmimi]

I can't believe that none of them have lawyered up yet. Unless they are all busy with the Anthony case. :shrug:

I have wondered why not a single attorney has spoken on behalf of this family. Very, very odd. Sad, too. I am worried about Ron. He needs a layer of protection that his Mom cannot provide.

[n/t]

It was in the news Frankie. What little guy that's scared doesn't say, the boogie man, or the man in black came into my room. I don't think its a biggie at all.

moo

Poor kid. He must be so afraid. If true though, why did he see the man in black but Misty didn't?

[VC2]

It was in the news Frankie. What little guy that's scared doesn't say, the boogie man, or the man in black came into my room. I don't think its a biggie at all.

moo

huh?? they all say that a man in black took their sister???? the kids i know don't.

IMO

[bluwaters]

You heard Crystal say it? When was this? This is a bombshell. It should be all over the news.
Here Frankie:

New Area Searched In Hunt For Haleigh
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

Crystal Sheffield states that Junior told her someone in black took Haleigh.
He has been interviewed by LE.

[esmile]

I don't post on this board but I do read it alot.
I asked my DD to send her BIL who is a Medical Dr., some links to view the video's of Misty and Ron and offer his opinion even though he has not treated Misty or Ron in any medical way.

He observed that:
Misty's eyes are dialated most likely due to drugs use, probably Meth. This is why when Misty is outside she can't keep her eyes open, it's not due to crying. He did not observe this with Ron.
Drug use or being high, could also be why "if " Haleigh was abducted Misty did not hear anything.
Just opinions

Good observations. I noticed her eyes in the police car were dilated. If what Crystal said is true there are multiple drugs being taken... I think she named more than 5.

[PolyGraph]

new article that states little brother may have witnessed who took his sister.... http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister

I dont know how to post links so i hope this works lol

[Lorakai]

One thing that bothered me about Ron came from a Nancy Grace interview:

GRACE: How is your son holding up?

NEVES: My son has not come out of the tent today.

GRACE: Explain.

NEVES: He`s not doing well. He`s been out every day searching. You know, he was out with Equusearch and he was out with the volunteers. So today, he didn`t have anybody to go out with, and it`s very hard for him to just sit and wait.

GRACE: So your son has been out physically searching for his daughter, right, Ms. Neves?

NEVES: Absolutely. Yes, ma`am.
NEVES: His home is still a crime scene, but I don`t think if they opened it, my son would ever be able to go back in there. And I don`t believe that he wants to leave from right here where they took his baby until she comes home. He told me he will not leave unless they make him. He will not leave until somebody brings his baby back to him.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am. There are usually people who come by and they say, We have four-wheelers, or we have horses, is there anything we can do for you? And he automatically responds with a, Yes, let`s go here and look. And some people, I`m not so sure they expect that. But yes. But there was nobody by today to offer that, so...

IMO This all sounded to me like Ron was hiding in the tent all day, just because someone didn't give him a swift kick in the bum to go out and look for his daughter on his own yesterday... He refuses to leave until someone brings his baby back to him? Why had the search been abandoned so swiftly and entirely yesterday?

IMO Ron and Misty know something. I would bet he came home to her passed out and only one child present at the time. She prob awoke to his wanting to know where Haleigh was. We need to know, who was the last persons aside from Ron and Misty to have last seen Haleigh?

[IM4Truth]

I tend to think of 2 things when I see a door propped open. A lot of coming and going of a lot of people (keeps the door open for them all) or someone carrying something through. But I don't think if they were stealing a child they would prop it for one trip through the door carrying someone or walking out with someone.

I think there may have been the cousins and a few friends over that day and they propped the door open and partied. Misty probably passed out at some point and when she woke up one child was gone. I can't help but think that all these people do drugs together which makes a lot of other problems come about.

Oh you have a good theory there! Propping the door open while smoking. Who did she say was there a little earlier? Wasn't it her brother and some friends? (can't remember)

[Rick777]

I'm behind in news on everything right now, but if this is correct then that should have raised some serious red flags within the school. Unexcused absences usually means someone is skipping school. At five, Haleigh is a little young to be skipping school at all let alone on such a frequent basis.





I don't think thats astounding since the school would know she has turners syndrome and does get sick alot.

[IM4Truth]

It was in the news Frankie. What little guy that's scared doesn't say, the boogie man, or the man in black came into my room. I don't think its a biggie at all.

moo

I think it's enough to look into.

[FrankieBones1]

Some one earlier today posted the website and I clicked on and listened...............it was either 1 am or 3 am today
All I can say is, "Wow".

Tootie, I'm still bothered that no one else has picked up on this. It is huge!

[IM4Truth]

Poor kid. He must be so afraid. If true though, why did he see the man in black but Misty didn't?

I think Misty did see him. I think she & Ron both know.

[Peaches]

All I can say is, "Wow".

Tootie, I'm still bothered that no one else has picked up on this. It is huge!


Good night all.................I will catch up tomorrow!

[esmile]

yes
She was sitting on a couch with a huge smile.
You could see some small injuries.

She was not beaten to a pulp as Geraldo has been saying.

I thought it was hard to see because they pulled out a snapshot and never zoomed in all the way or enlarged it for a good look. But she definitely had a visible cut to the mouth, nose and bruising on the eye(s) from what I could tell.

I will go out on a limb and say I have never seen injuries on a child like that from falling down - even on concrete.

[FrankieBones1]

It was in the news Frankie. What little guy that's scared doesn't say, the boogie man, or the man in black came into my room. I don't think its a biggie at all.

moo
Hi, Sweety!
I'm just a little confused about it. Whether Ronald Jr. said it or not, why hasn't LE held a press conference about it? Do you think that LE thinks that Crystal made it up?

[Rick777]

I don't understand why Ron would deny all drug use. He could have at least said he used in the past and stopped.

[emdragon]

I have wondered why not a single attorney has spoken on behalf of this family. Very, very odd. Sad, too. I am worried about Ron. He needs a layer of protection that his Mom cannot provide.

I have a feeling that after Geraldo's performance tonight Lawyers will be lining up by Monday (if not sooner) to represent Ron.

This has to be the most disgusting thing I have seen done to a parent of a missing child- And while Crystal and her mother want to talk about Ron being abusive it was not Ron who chose to be abusive tonight.

[Cheri_G]

I don't think thats astounding since the school would know she has turners syndrome and does get sick alot.

And that would explain a parent not calling in 12 times to say she was too sick to attend school?

You forget once or twice, you're busy, getting ready for work, making arrangements for the children, etc. it happens.

When my kids were around Haleigh's age I forgot to call once or twice, the school called me each time to find out what was going on.

Once or twice is forgetful, twelve times is something else.

[Dovey]

Good observations. I noticed her eyes in the police car were dilated. If what Crystal said is true there are multiple drugs being taken... I think she named more than 5.

I think that may agree with another poster who may have had similar observations.
Also who never treated either Misty or Ron.

[catdoc]

I have a feeling that after Geraldo's performance tonight Lawyers will be lining up by Monday (if not sooner) to represent Ron.

This has to be the most disgusting thing I have seen done to a parent of a missing child- And while Crystal and her mother want to talk about Ron being abusive it was not Ron who chose to be abusive tonight.

I exactly agree.

[sunstar]

It was curious that Geraldo asked Ron about being an informant. Seems like Geraldo had some insider info, If that happens to be true, it could explain why Haleigh has disappeared. Someone found out that Ron was playing on two playgrounds.

moo

It really wouldn't surprise me if he is/was an information and yes, it would explain motive for taking Haleigh if the perp wasn't a SO. But I also tend to think Misty could've given the perp an opportunity by either not being home or leaving the door unlocked. MOO

[bluwaters]

Hi, Sweety!
I'm just a little confused about it. Whether Ronald Jr. said it or not, why hasn't LE held a press conference about it? Do you think that LE thinks that Crystal made it up?
LE hasn't said anything about anything!
I think that they are probably not too happy that Crystal talked to a reporter about it either.

I wonder what LE thinks of Geraldo tonight?

LE was not planning a presser tomorrow, but said that could change.
Maybe GR just changed it for them....on, maybe LE hopes that everyone knows GR is an idiot and hope that he will just go away.

Who thinks that Greta will show up and start sweet talking the family?

Greta/Geraldo are like good cop/bad cop.

[5boxersmom]

I don't understand why Ron would deny all drug use. He could have at least said he used in the past and stopped.

You know if he was an informant he had to use to keep from being discovered. Also when LE make the bust they arrest the informant also, so they do not know who narced them out.

If Ron was an informant I can not believe he was outed on tv by GR. I am disgusted.

imo

[Rick777]

And that would explain a parent not calling in 12 times to say she was too sick to attend school?

You forget once or twice, you're busy, getting ready for work, making arrangements for the children, etc. it happens.

When my kids were around Haleigh's age I forgot to call once or twice, the school called me each time to find out what was going on.

Once or twice is forgetful, twelve times is something else.


They may have called the school, who knows?

[emdragon]

I thought it was hard to see because they pulled out a snapshot and never zoomed in all the way or enlarged it for a good look. But she definitely had a visible cut to the mouth, nose and bruising on the eye(s) from what I could tell.

I will go out on a limb and say I have never seen injuries on a child like that from falling down - even on concrete.

Well the school nurse had.

[Rick777]

Ron being an informant may be the exact reason LE isn't talking in this case at all.

[bluwaters]

I don't understand why Ron would deny all drug use. He could have at least said he used in the past and stopped.
Right.
"I didn't inhale or snort."

[5boxersmom]

I have a feeling that after Geraldo's performance tonight Lawyers will be lining up by Monday (if not sooner) to represent Ron.

This has to be the most disgusting thing I have seen done to a parent of a missing child- And while Crystal and her mother want to talk about Ron being abusive it was not Ron who chose to be abusive tonight.

ITA. It seemed about revenge tonight coming from Crystals side.

imo

[PolyGraph]

Oh you have a good theory there! Propping the door open while smoking. Who did she say was there a little earlier? Wasn't it her brother and some friends? (can't remember)
If little ron is now four, then they could probably get information if someone was ther other than his sister and mysti, I would be surprised if le or someone who questioned the child does not know who was in the hous ethat night...my four year old daugther could tell me who was there, what they were wearing and hair, eye color everything, so Im sure maybe he does know something but I am aware that he just turned four and Im not sure how well he communicates. Hopefully le knows stuff they are just not letting the cat out of the bag...MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

I am curious to know how Crystal knows so much about Ron and Misty, yet not much about her children??

I'm glad to see someone else noticed that too. :thumbdown: JMO

[5boxersmom]

Ron being an informant may be the exact reason LE isn't talking in this case at all.

I was just getting ready to post that. :thumbsup:

Is that when Ron's mom told GR to leave? Right after he ask him about being an informant?

[Cheri_G]

They may have called the school, who knows?

Maybe they do things differently down there. In my experience, generally if a parent calls in and says their child can not attend school because of their health, the absence is excused.

[Rick777]

seriously...I hope LE picks Ron up tonight since some might like to find that "informant". Thanks Geraldo!!

[5boxersmom]

Maybe they do things differently down there. In my experience, generally if a parent calls in and says their child can not attend school because of their health, the absence is excused.

Here it is the first 10 days you can call and send a note the next day after 10 you have to have a Dr's excuse or it is unexcused.

[playnice]

I have a feeling that after Geraldo's performance tonight Lawyers will be lining up by Monday (if not sooner) to represent Ron.

This has to be the most disgusting thing I have seen done to a parent of a missing child- And while Crystal and her mother want to talk about Ron being abusive it was not Ron who chose to be abusive tonight.

Ron needs a lawyer if for no other reason he does not know how to handle the media. An attorney could have spoken about this and cleared it up with records from school and hospital which Ron can get.
This case is too high profile and even if he has done nothing wrong he is not experienced and educated enough to handle the media. They can take one thing and devour you as we have seen tonight from GR.

[emdragon]

That makes me suspicious

We can see the guy is no church mouse... but whenever he is asked he denies EVERYTHING. :rolleyes:

I dont believe his version about the argument over the gun either.

JMO but I don't think Ron is being 100% honest.

If he is honest with LE is all I care about. He can lie to every talk show and it doesn't matter. All that matters is LE.

Ron's drug charges were from before the kids were born and when Crystal accused him during the Court hearing he had already had a clean UA to show he wasn't doing drugs.

Now if you think an agree deer or Moose took Haleigh then I would agree his record matters since most of his offenses were hunting or trespassing related.

[sunstar]

ITA. It seemed about revenge tonight coming from Crystals side.

imo

I think it could've been with the purpose of her permanently getting Jr. back, but I hope CPS looks into everything and everybody. She doesn't seem any more able to take care of a child than Misty. MOO

[Rick777]

It doesn't matter if Ron is an informant or not. Just bringing that word up has put Ron in danger!

[sunstar]

seriously...I hope LE picks Ron up tonight since some might like to find that "informant". Thanks Geraldo!!

That's the scary part if he really is an informant. :scared:

[Cheri_G]

Here it is the first 10 days you can call and send a note the next day after 10 you have to have a Dr's excuse or it is unexcused.

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly: you call or send a note each day for the first 10 and then after that get a doctor's note?

[Cheri_G]

I bet a lot of those school absences or tardies were on Monday mornings.

moo

I'm betting a lot of them had nothing to do with being ill.

[5boxersmom]

I think it could've been with the purpose of her permanently getting Jr. back, but I hope CPS looks into everything and everybody. She doesn't seem any more able to take care of a child than Misty. MOO

ITA

The nurse said Haleigh fell at school. Wonder when that pic was taken? Why didn't Crystal take her to the Dr if it was at one of her weekend visits? Sometimes when you fall like that it looks worse a few days later then it did the day it happen.

imo

[sunstar]

The school said all Haleigh received from the fall was a scratch according to Crystal's mom.

moo

From what I saw in the photo it didn't really look like she'd been beaten up. Her eye seemed slightly blackened but the scratch on her nose and gash on her chin area could've been from falling. MOO

[Dovey]

I really do think that all involved should be asked to volunteer to drug testing. I wonder if Ron's employer had Ron tested before he was hired?

[IM4Truth]

I'm glad to see someone else noticed that too. :thumbdown: JMO

I thought when Crystal was naming off all of the drugs, it was the drugs that she & Ron used when they were together. I didn't understand that she was saying it about Misty & Ron? :shrug:

[5boxersmom]

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly: you call or send a note each day for the first 10 and then after that get a doctor's note?

Yes. After ten absences you have to have a Drs. note to be excused.

[catdoc]

Wouldn't an irresponsible parent FAIL to keep a sick child from school rather than keeping them out too much? It's a lot easier to send a 5yr old to school than to arrange to stay home from work or find a sitter,etc. When mine started to school I thought I had died and gone to heaven--free babysitting! Being sick was a MAJOR problem though--still had to go to work--taking a sick child with me.

On the subject of Misti's dilated pupils, remember that adrenaline does this immediately. When the lights come on and the director does his thing and she realizes she is watched by millions it must be terrifying--flush of adrenaline--dilated pupils. Just sayin.

[Rick777]

Boy I bet the two campsites are wanting a piece of the other tonight.

[sunstar]

ITA

The nurse said Haleigh fell at school. Wonder when that pic was taken? Why didn't Crystal take her to the Dr if it was at one of her weekend visits? Sometimes when you fall like that it looks worse a few days later then it did the day it happen.

imo

I know ~ sometimes bruises don't appear right away. She could've fallen on her face or fallen into a object that cut her nose, but the scratches don't look like somebody hit her. MOO

[Dovey]

From what I saw in the photo it didn't really look like she'd been beaten up. Her eye seemed slightly blackened but the scratch on her nose and gash on her chin area could've been from falling. MOO

I thought one photo of Haleigh looked like she was holding her hair back while a photo of what looked like a bruise was taken, or is that a permanent birth mark?

[sunstar]

Was Nov 6th a weekend? Crystal doesn't have the children during the week. Ron'e the custoidal parent, its up to him to get medical care if his children need it. You know many of you are forgetting that Crystal and her family are victims too, just llike Ron and his family.

moo

Nov 6, 2008 was a Thursday. :)

[sunstar]

I thought one photo of Haleigh looked like she was holding her hair back while a photo of what looked like a bruise was taken, or is that a permanent birth mark?

I believe she has a birthmark on the side of her face. MOO

[5boxersmom]

Was Nov 6th a weekend? Crystal doesn't have the children during the week. Ron'e the custoidal parent, its up to him to get medical care if his children need it. You know many of you are forgetting that Crystal and her family are victims too, just llike Ron and his family.

moo

So who took the pic? I don't think Medical care is left up to only Ron. Especially if they suspected abuse.

imo

[IM4Truth]

Wouldn't an irresponsible parent FAIL to keep a sick child from school rather than keeping them out too much? It's a lot easier to send a 5yr old to school than to arrange to stay home from work or find a sitter,etc. When mine started to school I thought I had died and gone to heaven--free babysitting! Being sick was a MAJOR problem though--still had to go to work--taking a sick child with me.

On the subject of Misti's dilated pupils, remember that adrenaline does this immediately. When the lights come on and the director does his thing and she realizes she is watched by millions it must be terrifying--flush of adrenaline--dilated pupils. Just sayin.

But Misty wasn't working. Someone wasn't getting up in the morning and getting Haleigh off to school.

[bluwaters]

Geraldo in Satsuma FL 2/21/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n825PJc&feature=channel_page

[esmile]

It doesn't matter if Ron is an informant or not. Just bringing that word up has put Ron in danger!

Yes, because now whether he is or is not, to those who are paranoid he is. I can't imagine how much mail GR is going to get on this.

[5boxersmom]

I know ~ sometimes bruises don't appear right away. She could've fallen on her face or fallen into a object that cut her nose, but the scratches don't look like somebody hit her. MOO

No I didn't think so either.

imo

[Hopeintown]

Ron being an informant may be the exact reason LE isn't talking in this case at all.

Well if Ron is a drug informant, and Geraldo just told the entire country on national television of that little fact, or at least put the "hmm" in every drug dealer in the area something to think about, he could have very well just jeopardized a little girls life (if this is about drugs), and Ron's life if it isn't about drugs. I wonder just how big of a drug problem there is in that area?

IMO

[mags]

So it was Ron's watch.

Nov. 6th was a thursday but she would have went with her mother on friday. Unless they have recently traded weekends.

[Cheri_G]

Yes. After ten absences you have to have a Drs. note to be excused.

And if a parent does not write a note or call or offer a doctors note, that would be an unexcused absence? You're suggesting the 12 unexcuses could have been the lack of a doctor's note rather than the lack of a call by parents?

[IM4Truth]

So who took the pic? I don't think Medical care is left up to only Ron. Especially if they suspected abuse.

imo

If it wasn't Crystal's visitation weekend, she probably didn't even know until the following weekend.

[5boxersmom]

If it wasn't Crystal's visitation weekend, she probably didn't even know until the following weekend.

Then who took the pic?

[esmile]

Boy I bet the two campsites are wanting a piece of the other tonight.

I would not be surprised if we saw trouble which would be horrible as there is enough to sort out as it is.

[5boxersmom]

And if a parent does not write a note or call or offer a doctors note, that would be an unexcused absence? You're suggesting the 12 unexcuses could have been the lack of a doctor's note rather than the lack of a call by parents?

Yes if there is no call or note that is unexcused in the first 10 absences.

I am not suggesting anything. I don't know if they called or not.

In our School District after your first 10 absences you must have a Dr.s excuse or it is unexcused.

imo

[IM4Truth]

Then who took the pic?

I don't know, I don't even know if it was Crystal's weekend to have the kids.

[RiverWalk]

Here's the video of Crystal talking about this "new tip"

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

Also, everyone was sooooo busy looking up Ron's criminal record. Did anyone look up Crystal Sheffield, Nancy Marie Sheffield (now Gattis) or Johnny Marcus Sheffield's criminal records? WOW is all I've got to say!!

[Hopeintown]

HUGE I hear.

I'm not surprised.

What did Geraldo expect Ron to say when asked that question if he was an informant? "ah, yes Geraldo I'm on national television, here's my face for all the drug dealers out in the area to know I'm a drug informant"

Geraldo, what an idiot.

IMO

[bluwaters]

I really do think that all involved should be asked to volunteer to drug testing. I wonder if Ron's employer had Ron tested before he was hired?
I hope so!
He operates a crane.
I thought that peeps operating heavy equipment get tested randomly after employment.
Not sure if that's true, or just a good idea..
:huh:

[Hopeintown]

HUGE I hear. If Ron is an informer, he had no business doing so with two small children uder his watch. Don't blame Geraldo for the actions of Ron. Geraldo just might have saved the day for Junior.

moo

I haven't seen any actions from Ron. All I have seen are the actions from Geraldo suggesting on national television that Ron "might" be a drug informant, which could bring huge implications for Ron if indeed that's not the case.

IMO

[Dovey]

Wouldn't an irresponsible parent FAIL to keep a sick child from school rather than keeping them out too much? It's a lot easier to send a 5yr old to school than to arrange to stay home from work or find a sitter,etc. When mine started to school I thought I had died and gone to heaven--free babysitting! Being sick was a MAJOR problem though--still had to go to work--taking a sick child with me.

On the subject of Misti's dilated pupils, remember that adrenaline does this immediately. When the lights come on and the director does his thing and she realizes she is watched by millions it must be terrifying--flush of adrenaline--dilated pupils. Just sayin.

Actions and Misty speech do not go along with the adrenaline theory, I would say. That 911 call was difficult to understand due to the slurred words. And she didn't just get up, she was high as a kite and that is probably why Ron called her a B***ch. Her eyes show it also day after day. Is that the delay in calling 911, having to despose of drugs in the house?
JMO as I never treated her for a drug problem nor do I know anyone who did.

[IM4Truth]

I hope so!
He operates a crane.
I thought that peeps operating heavy equipment get tested randomly after employment.
Not sure if that's true, or just a good idea..
:huh:

I think they are randomly tested but I could find out tomorrow. (I don't think my friend would appreciate a phone call at this hour!)

[bluwaters]

Well if Ron is a drug informant, and Geraldo just told the entire country on national television of that little fact, or at least put the "hmm" in every drug dealer in the area something to think about, he could have very well just jeopardized a little girls life (if this is about drugs), and Ron's life if it isn't about drugs. I wonder just how big of a drug problem there is in that area?

IMO
Huge - Florida, water, poverty

[CanCan]

neither did Ron obviously.... and now his daughter is missing :rolleyes:

:thumbsup:

[Janz]

nope and i didnt look up Ron's either...

so do tell?

I want to know about everyone... the only person who I know for SURE is innocent is Haleigh... everyone else is open to speculation. IMO

:)

Yes, do tell. I am not buying into either parent being fit to have any of these chldren, but have seen something more positive in Ron than Crystal.

[bluwaters]

Then we can say that about anyone in law enforcement.
I don't think so.
the betrayal factor is really huge.
It's an honor among thieves situation.

[Dovey]

I hope so!
He operates a crane.
I thought that peeps operating heavy equipment get tested randomly after employment.
Not sure if that's true, or just a good idea..
:huh:

I hope so also and maybe that's why Ron doesn't show the same as Misty. I know once my DH went into a GM plant with his wedding ring on and they kicked him out and had him get a drug test before he was allowed back. He was a supplier only and they hold the same rules to all.

So hopefully if Ron's employer suspected any usuage they would do the same.

I believe Ron but I do wonder about Misty in all this.