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breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:13 PM

They're not releasing "Joe The Cousin's" last name, don't want to embarrass family members.

LOL

Sounds to me like Joe told them Misty was full of it. IMO

Something is very wrong here I am telling you when it's all said and done I think we will be shocked.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 03:14 PM

True didnt someone post she had missed 22 days of school?
I still think Misty knows more then shes telling. I still think shes afraid of Ron.If this little boy really did see someone in black take her this could have happened way before bedtime. The shirt still bothers me.

Jr. could have seen a police officer in his room after he was awakened by the 911 call. That's always a possibility.

The shirt bothers me too. That and the laundry, the wet bed, the cleaning.....

The other question I have is "Where was this dirty clothes pile where Misty found the shirt?" According to Crystal S., she was told it was just inside the back door in the laundry room. If it was in the floor (again, IF), how big is that laundry room and did the "abductor" disturb any of the other laundry in the pile when leaving thru the back door?

juliekan

02-21-2009, 03:14 PM

What happened thought we were haveing one at 3.:cursing:

3pm eastern time. I wrote notes on the presser just a few posts above.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:16 PM

3pm eastern time. I wrote notes on the presser just a few posts above.

ok thanks i took her post as none until Monday I am brain dead today.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 03:20 PM

What happened thought we were haveing one at 3.:cursing:
That was it.
Look up thread at juliekan's notes of the presser - she actually was paying attention.
They are not going to say anything until Haleigh is found.
They are counting on someone calling in the tip that leads to Haleigh.
LE does not want to compromise their future criminal investigation when the time comes to make an arrest(s).

Mimi428

02-21-2009, 03:21 PM

He may have been afraid of them takeing him to but why didnt he wake up Misty after they were gone?

Just to clarify, it is not my assertion that his fear was only that he might be taken.

If he was awake, I can see how fear would keep him from yelling out. I can see how fear would keep him from waking up Misty. I can see how fear would keep him from saying anything to anyone for a signficant period of time. He sure wouldn't be the first to be too scared to say anything.

I have not read nor heard whether Misty said anything at all about Jr. being awake when she woke up & found Haleigh gone. I do wonder what she might have told LE about his awake/asleep status. I also think if there had been ANY indication at the time first LE arrived that he was awake at the same time she was that he would have already been questioned, long before now.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:22 PM

Jr. could have seen a police officer in his room after he was awakened by the 911 call. That's always a possibility.

The shirt bothers me too. That and the laundry, the wet bed, the cleaning.....

The other question I have is "Where was this dirty clothes pile where Misty found the shirt?" According to Crystal S., she was told it was just inside the back door in the laundry room. If it was in the floor (again, IF), how big is that laundry room and did the "abductor" disturb any of the other laundry in the pile when leaving thru the back door?

Yes he could have didnt think of that.
The blanket in the van still bothers me because why would she even say that to begin with? Matter of fact Misty bothers me. Until i hear she has passed the LD test from LE I still dont think she has. So if the shirt was in the laundry room next to the door in a pile of dirty clothes this child wakes up sometime after shes puts her to bed wearing the pink shirt, takes it off and then walks to the laundry room and puts it i a pile of dirty clothes......bull crap. Misty is the key to wear this child is she needs to come clean, as for Ronald I believe he knows more then hes letting on to. But this is jmo.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:25 PM

That was it.
Look up thread at juliekan's notes of the presser - she actually was paying attention.
They are not going to say anything until Haleigh is found.
They are counting on someone calling in the tip that leads to Haleigh.
LE does not want to compromise their future criminal investigation when the time comes to make an arrest(s).

Thanks Blu not that i am not really paying attention working here with a few hrs sleep and a migraine. Thanks for the info.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:27 PM

We forget what we thought and did as a 3 or 4 year old...He may have thought he was dreaming, he may have a history of deep sleeping, and when wakes up doesnt recognize rality o dreams..who knows...It is also possible he is relating a story that fits what he has been hearing since that fateful night??? Time will only tell I guess!

LMS:unsure:

I'm sure if I was 4 and seen someone takeing my sister I probaly would be very still too. Poor little guy if he did see this that will stick with him for a very long time. This is just a sad case all the way around.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Just to clarify, it is not my assertion that his fear was only that he might be taken.

If he was awake, I can see how fear would keep him from yelling out. I can see how fear would keep him from waking up Misty. I can see how fear would keep him from saying anything to anyone for a signficant period of time. He sure wouldn't be the first to be too scared to say anything.

I have not read nor heard whether Misty said anything at all about Jr. being awake when she woke up & found Haleigh gone. I do wonder what she might have told LE about his awake/asleep status. I also think if there had been ANY indication at the time first LE arrived that he was awake at the same time she was that he would have already been questioned, long before now.

Your right we have often heard chidlren say that been abused that the abuser will tell them if they tell they will either kill them or there family.
Havent heard anything that Misty said about jr. being awake or not either. Heck i have never figured out weather they were all in the same room, I have heard they were and then I have heard he was in a room by himself.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 03:45 PM

Your right we have often heard chidlren say that been abused that the abuser will tell them if they tell they will either kill them or there family.
Havent heard anything that Misty said about jr. being awake or not either. Heck i have never figured out weather they were all in the same room, I have heard they were and then I have heard he was in a room by himself.

Neither have I heard anything about Jr. being awake, but this whole abduction scenario would make a lot more sense if it was Haleigh who was in a room by herself and the door to Misty's room shut. Otherwise I'm still trying to get my mind around how she slept through somebody coming in the house and taking Haleigh from the same room. :sad: MOO

Politigal

02-21-2009, 03:55 PM

Reporter Has Spoken To The Mysterious Cousin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM

thx for the link...

Politigal

02-21-2009, 03:58 PM

Someone posted a question on Mahalo.com if a guy named Joseph Mammano was Misty's cousin because this guy is a registered sex offender and was arrested in 1997 http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/SEX_ofndr/result_button_sor.asp?var1=00382727 Does anyone know how old the cousin is because this guy is 28.

from the video posted by Swarovski --- the cousin was reportedly only 19

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:08 PM

thx for the link...

He says he was there 3 weeks before this even happened. Someone is lieing.

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 04:12 PM

So what do you all make of the gun being found in a ditch? If you were going to steal it why throw it in a ditch that close to the home where you took it from?

imo

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 04:13 PM

He says he was there 3 weeks before this even happened. Someone is lieing.

Ya think?

:laugh:

IMO, that's why Misty was so non-committal on The Today Show. She knows Joe is going to be none too pleased to have LE knocking on his door because of something she told them. ESPECIALLY if he's totally innocent and she's just throwing out names to take suspicion off of her.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 04:18 PM

So what do you all make of the gun being found in a ditch? If you were going to steal it why throw it in a ditch that close to the home where you took it from?

imo

I'm more interested in if the gun was ever reported missing (to the police), was it used in a crime after it was "taken" and before it was found, who found it, and is it legally registered?

And the gun could just be a red herring. It diverts attention away from Ron and Misty and onto another person (who is probably innocent of anything having to do with Haleigh's disappearance.)

JMO though.

tomsgirl

02-21-2009, 04:21 PM

True didnt someone post she had missed 22 days of school?
I still think Misty knows more then shes telling. I still think shes afraid of Ron.If this little boy really did see someone in black take her this could have happened way before bedtime. The shirt still bothers me.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but during that 911 call I thought I heard Ron say, paraphrasing. "why did you let my little girl go missing, B---h" Wonder why her would say that? Was he blaming Misty already. and now defends her to the max? This case is sooo confusing. I can't absorb one story good until there is another one out there. I am really suspicious of everyone of them right now! jmo

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 04:23 PM

I'm more interested in if the gun was ever reported missing (to the police), was it used in a crime after it was "taken" and before it was found, who found it, and is it legally registered?

And the gun could just be a red herring. It diverts attention away from Ron and Misty and onto another person (who is probably innocent of anything having to do with Haleigh's disappearance.)

JMO though.

That's what I was thinking. A red herring.

I don't know I am so confused about this case. :confused:

sunstar

02-21-2009, 04:24 PM

So what do you all make of the gun being found in a ditch? If you were going to steal it why throw it in a ditch that close to the home where you took it from?

imo

I've been thinking about that too. Usually a stolen gun is only disposed of if the perp has already used it to commit a crime and/or LE is chasing after them. MOO

sunstar

02-21-2009, 04:27 PM

He says he was there 3 weeks before this even happened. Someone is lieing.

I kind of think his name was just tossed at LE without any proof he did anything, maybe to get back at him for what he's done in the past? If I'd only lived with somebody for a few months, didn't really know everybody they knew or the family, why pick my own cousin who lives out of state as the "suspect"? MOO

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:33 PM

Please correct me if I am wrong, but during that 911 call I thought I heard Ron say, paraphrasing. "why did you let my little girl go missing, B---h" Wonder why her would say that? Was he blaming Misty already. and now defends her to the max? This case is sooo confusing. I can't absorb one story good until there is another one out there. I am really suspicious of everyone of them right now! jmo

I am suspicious of them also. Why havent they given them there home back after almost 2 weeks. Yes he said that he really talked good to about her didn't he:w00t:I read on another forum that the cousin is NOT a suspect. Wonder why they cleared him so fast .............cause Misty is once again lieing to LE or maybe she just forgot as she puts it.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:36 PM

I kind of think his name was just tossed at LE without any proof he did anything, maybe to get back at him for what he's done in the past? If I'd only lived with somebody for a few months, didn't really know everybody they knew or the family, why pick my own cousin who lives out of state as the "suspect"? MOO

Yes and didnt she say she didn't even know his last name:drool:

baby4brennn

02-21-2009, 04:36 PM

baby4brennn

02-21-2009, 04:38 PM

what other sites can i find the recent videos on of this?

odyssey

02-21-2009, 04:41 PM

I saw it on Law and Order once, does that count? :laugh:

There actually was a poster here 2 days ago that went into that scenario

Yes .. but if someone had taken Haleigh to "rescue" her, then they left a lil rescuee behind methinks (junior).

I am not sure if it was a stranger or someone known to Haleigh but I believe she was abducted. Haven't there been cases where children were abducted from stores or restaurants, taken to the bathrooms and had their hair cut/clothing changed, etc. before ever leaving the store?

I am wondering if someone changed her shirt by the back door and stuck her pink shirt down in the pile of dirty clothing so when she was reported missing that would be one more thing off about the report.

I have a feeling this was likely planned and that she was not killed(at least not in the beginning though I don't feel even now that she is dead and hope I am right in that for the most part).

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:41 PM

I don't understand why did this cousin Joe come to there house anyways? Misty didn't like him so why would they let him in? I dont understand why he would steal a gun then throw it in a ditch? I'm confused on that part.
When Crystal gets asked questions she doesn't seem to know anything. I mean come on, it is her daughter. Living with her or not , wouldn't you want to know this stuff about your child? She has a profile on myspace and she said about her precious baby or something like then she said and my other brats! I couldn't believe when i read that when i first looked up her profile when Haleigh first went missing. Why would she say that about Haleigh and Jr that they are her brats? She don't seem to cry about this either. If it were me, i would be balling my eyes out! I dont really know how she stays so calm for a mother!

They distant them self from them, I am rasieng 4 grandkids because my daughter got on drugs, we have had them 3 yrs, the last time she seen them you could tell she just doesnt think of them as her kids,more like a sister or friend sad but true. Maybe the mother feels the same why I really don't know. I wonder in between the 2 week visits if she has any contact at all with Haleigh and Jr.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:42 PM

Yes .. but if someone had taken Haleigh to "rescue" her, then they left a lil rescuee behind methinks (junior).

I am not sure if it was a stranger or someone known to Haleigh but I believe she was abducted. Haven't there been cases where children were abducted from stores or restaurants, taken to the bathrooms and had their hair cut/clothing changed, etc. before ever leaving the store?

I am wondering if someone changed her shirt by the back door and stuck her pink shirt down in the pile of dirty clothing so when she was reported missing that would be one more thing off about the report.

I have a feeling this was likely planned and that she was not killed(at least not in the beginning though I don't feel even now that she is dead and hope I am right in that for the most part).

Planned by Misty or Ron and Misty?

juliekan

02-21-2009, 04:46 PM

what other sites can i find the recent videos on of this?

Try these sites from our links sites

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349434

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349041

cnn.com also should have some videos

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Was that where the supposed fight took place and it was dropped? Ron may have 'chased' the other guy out of town believing afterward that the robber got away with the gun and the other guy thought Ron ended up with it.

Gosh, this sounds like Cops and Robbers! :smile: Not to make light of the situation, but sometimes, ya just gotta laugh or you'd cry!

I have no idea. I didn't think there was a fight. I just thought they noticed the gun missing after this person left the house.

imo

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:57 PM

Oh, and about the possible child abuse that Ron did to Haleigh ... I've been thinking on that. She missed a lot of school, but has a chronic disease that causes recurring illness; we even know she was in the hospital numerous times.

Posters were wondering how the school wouldn't have noticed if she had been beaten as badly as GR makes it seem by his verbal description. What if Ron beat Haleigh say on a Wednesday afternoon after school. Then she didn't go to school Thursday and Friday, and, of course, didn't have school Saturday and Sunday. Would about 5 days, a long-sleeved shirt, pants, and her hair down be enough to make the worst of the marks from a beating 'fade away'? A split lip could be explained by a bike accident, etc.

I'm not so sure GR is off base with this one ... Oh, how I'd love to be wrong. :sad:

A black eye would last awhile.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 04:57 PM

I have no idea. I didn't think there was a fight. I just thought they noticed the gun missing after this person left the house.

imo

Did Misty ever come right out and say when Joe the cousin was there?

odyssey

02-21-2009, 05:00 PM

Planned by Misty or Ron and Misty?

No no .. i don't think Ron and Misty have anything at all to do with her abduction.

odyssey

02-21-2009, 05:12 PM

... snippped...

GR can be a jerk, by all means ... but, I remember that he is the father of at least 2 little girls and really seems to take to heart the news stories about children. Now, does that mean he's not a sensationalist? Nah! BUT, I do think, in general, his heart is in the right place. I've seen him in the past literally turn red with anger over a child abuse/abduction story.

I don't think he made a mistake in his reporting due to a quick phone call. The "teaser" for his big news (the photo) was on the front page of foxnews.com much earlier in the afternoon, so it isn't like he talked to "Brother Craig" (I always think it'll be a priest popping up on the screen when GR introduces him! ) and just popped on to Bill O's show, mixing up his stories.

..snipped..

I just wanted to say that the only picture of someone beat up on any news web site that I saw yesterday including foxnews was one that they were alledging was Rhianna after Chris Brown allegedly beat her. Did you see the picture he is saying is Haleigh? I just find it so hard to believe that no one saved it off the web page if it was published. I feel like if it showed up on a web page it would have been saved somewhere by someone on these boards. If you *did* see it, it will likely be in you cache or temp files but i am uncertain how to tell you to go about retrieving it. I used to do it with psp but that has been a long time ago now.

moo

VC2

02-21-2009, 05:20 PM

I still don't understand why the police still has the house roped off as a crime sceen? Haven't they already processed the house? I never heard of a case like this when they roped off a house for almost 2 weeks in a missing child's case:confused:

i really dont understand this LE. There are stranger rape/murders that happen and a large house is cleared in less than a week. Are they waiting for her body to come rising up out of a cubbyhole they missed? you can examine every fiber and surface 5 times in the time they have had it. Yes it was a crime scene, its where haleigh disappeared from but whomever was involved and however it happened if they have not completely gone over this trailer yet then they are buffoons

IMO

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:23 PM

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:24 PM

i really dont understand this LE. There are stranger rape/murders that happen and a large house is cleared in less than a week. Are they waiting for her body to come rising up out of a cubbyhole they missed? you can examine every fiber and surface 5 times in the time they have had it. Yes it was a crime scene, its where haleigh disappeared from but whomever was involved and however it happened if they have not completely gone over this trailer yet then they are buffoons

IMO

Only thing i cant figure out is they haven't gotten the test back yet from what they took outta there and think they may have to go back in. Heck if i know seems like a very long time to keep there home away from them.

Politigal

02-21-2009, 05:29 PM

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 05:30 PM

VC2

02-21-2009, 05:33 PM

Only thing i cant figure out is they haven't gotten the test back yet from what they took outta there and think they may have to go back in. Heck if i know seems like a very long time to keep there home away from them.

any competent forensic team should have samples of each and everything needed already. Whatever the test results are, they are. If they were worried about something in the laundry then they take the whole pile and examine it. If they wanted to check carpets and fibers they lumisol them, they photograph them with horizontal lighting to see if there are footprint impressions not obvious to the naked eye etc they take samples etc.

there is no reason to keep it for this long if they are competent. I really cant think of anything they couldn't have tested yet, photographed or searched.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 05:35 PM

i really dont understand this LE. There are stranger rape/murders that happen and a large house is cleared in less than a week. Are they waiting for her body to come rising up out of a cubbyhole they missed? you can examine every fiber and surface 5 times in the time they have had it. Yes it was a crime scene, its where haleigh disappeared from but whomever was involved and however it happened if they have not completely gone over this trailer yet then they are buffoons

IMO

*Bolded mine

And that I believe is the operative word.

And yes, IMO, they are waiting for either a live Haleigh or a body to determine the who & what. They may have used luminol in the house and they already know the where. (Of course, that's just my speculation).

I will say that I don't remember a case where the home was sealed off this long. And they *could* release it tomorrow, who knows?

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:41 PM

2002 wasn't his last legal run-in by a long shot.

JMO 'cause I don't know where the rap sheet was that I saw.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930

CC I See

02-21-2009, 05:44 PM

I was thinking about this last night even if he does have a pic which i doubt but she could have fallen off her bike, swing set, and alot of kids just bruise easy. If this was really true I think the school would have called SS.
just my two cents.my bold

.... maybe they did call. If they did we won't know about it since such records are confidential.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:45 PM

JMO 'cause I don't know where the rap sheet was that I saw.[/QUOTE]

UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
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2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2
2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012
2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS
2004-12-03 7 OF 20 GRAMS)
2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005)
2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2005-01-07 9 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005.
2005-01-07 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT
2005-01-25 17 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED
2005-01-25 17 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT
2005-02-03 18 ADI - LEVEL II
2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
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2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
2006-12-19 3 ORDER TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
************************************************** ****************
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2006-08-31 8 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2006-08-31 9 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (10-04-2006)
2006-09-06 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-04-2006)
2006-10-04 11 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON
2006-10-04 11 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2006-10-04 11 CASE SET FOR NON JURY TRIAL 10/30/2006
2006-10-04 12 WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL
2006-10-04 13 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-30-2006)
2006-10-06 14 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-30-2006)
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2006-10-10 15 WILLIAM P MORRIS
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2006-10-10 16 DS JOHN MAY
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2006-10-16 17 WILLIAM P MORRIS
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2006-10-16 18 DS JOHN MAY
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2006-10-16 19 MS. TAMMY PINKNEY
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2006-10-30 22 TO TRESPASS, DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED,
2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY
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2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED
2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST
2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO
2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT
2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION
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2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT
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2006-12-19 3 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
2006-12-19 3 FROM CIRCUIT COURT 06-002339-CF53
2006-12-19 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007)
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2007-01-23 9 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM
2007-01-25 10 CAPIAS RECALLED - CASE SET FOR ARRAIGNMENT 02/06/2007
2007-01-25 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-06-2007) IN OFFICE
2007-01-25 11 CHANGE OF ADDRESS
2007-01-26 12 CAPIAS RETURNED
2007-02-06 13 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE
2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING
2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV
2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET
2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
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2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ WALTER 04-02-07
2007-04-03 1 AFFRAY
2007-04-23 2 INFORMATION (AFFRAY)
2007-04-23 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/10/2007)CERTIFIED
2007-05-10 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED
2007-05-10 4 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 06/12/2007
2007-05-10 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-12-2007)
2007-05-18 6 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - UNCLAIMED
2007-06-12 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED
2007-06-12 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 07/12/2007
2007-06-12 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007)
2007-06-14 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) IN OFFICE
2007-07-12 10 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON
2007-07-12 10 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 08/22/2007
2007-07-12 11 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2007-07-12 11 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT
2007-07-12 11 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED
2007-07-12 12 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2007-07-12 13 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (08-22-2007)
2007-08-22 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON
2007-08-22 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2007-08-22 14 CONTINUED TO 09/19/2007
2007-08-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-19-2007) IN COURT
2007-09-19 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT FILED
2007-09-19 16 AND ACCEPTED
2007-09-19 17 DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT
2007-09-19 17 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
2007-09-19 17 $50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION
2007-09-28 18 MEMO FROM HRDS: DEFT COMPLETED THE CONDITIONS OF HIS
2007-09-28 18 PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM
2007-10-18 19 NOTICE OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF DEFERRED
2007-10-18 19 PROSECUTION AGREEMENT
2007-11-28 20 $100.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 09/18/2007
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nutterbutter

02-21-2009, 05:46 PM

WOW that was a jolt, you're the first person I read to actually say it. :crying: I just can't go there yet.

I also think this lil one is dead.Sad but true.moo

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:47 PM

2002 wasn't his last legal run-in by a long shot.

Jmo 'cause i don't know where the rap sheet was that i saw.

2007-11-14 1 wildlife citation - #132466-c gffc/ eason 11-02-07
2007-11-14 1 possession of modern firearm during muzzleloading
2007-11-14 1 season
2007-11-14 1 trespass
2007-11-14 2 notice to defendant (12-18-2007)
2007-11-29 3 notice returned unexecuted
2007-11-29 4 notice to defendant (12/18/2007)correct address
2007-12-18 5 arr min: Deft pres in court waiving right to counsel
2007-12-18 5 arr ent plea of nolo contendere to ct i - poss of
2007-12-18 5 modern firearm during muzzeloading season - ct ii -
2007-12-18 5 trespass - nolle prosequi - deft sworn, plea accepted
2007-12-18 5 defendant adjudged guilty
2007-12-18 5 $273.00 fine and cost suspended
2007-12-18 5 24 hours house arrest
2007-12-18 6 waiver of counsel
2007-12-18 7 written plea of guilty or nolo contendere to
2007-12-18 7 criminal charges in county court
2008-01-08 8 judgment and sentence ct i

VC2

02-21-2009, 05:49 PM

*Bolded mine

And that I believe is the operative word.

And yes, IMO, they are waiting for either a live Haleigh or a body to determine the who & what. They may have used luminol in the house and they already know the where. (Of course, that's just my speculation).

I will say that I don't remember a case where the home was sealed off this long. And they *could* release it tomorrow, who knows?

my point was that there is even more difficulty in a stranger rape/murder bc you don't know who or what you are looking for and its much harder to go back 10 years later and compare things. At least intra family the ppl are all there.

this is just to long. So they wait for a body and it doesn't appear for another year, they going to keep the landlord from getting income or the tenant getting their belongings? IF they had luminol'ed and found something one or the other would be under arrest right now imo.

i just cant believe there is anything left to test, anything left to find or anything LE can do with the house yet. Most missing persons cases they may seal it off for 48 hours but they don['t toss the family out for weeks. Heck they don't do that in most murder cases! I dont think they know what they are doing, probably never handled a case like this before and are not competent to.

IMO

CC I See

02-21-2009, 05:50 PM

Teresa Neves (Ron's Mother) did to the media. Days before Haleigh disappeared she said Ron & Misty's cousin were in a fight over a gun. Ron denied it.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Developments-in-TN/F7bHkZR8Y02bZFU_CnxzoQ.cspx?rss=1... regarding this cousin. If I heard correctly he is told reporters that it was three weeks before Haleigh went missing that he was in Florida. This should be easy to prove.... gas receipts, mileage on his car, family and friends or work stating that he was in Tenn. This might be why LE questioned him and left.... but not ruled him out since anything is possible according to LE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM

nutterbutter

02-21-2009, 05:52 PM

I just watched the news report on the Today Show. Why did Haleigh miss 22 days of school this year?

Maybe she wasn't be cared for and someone decided to take to her a better home? I don't want to believe she is dead yet.
she has an illness that causes alott of sickness.cant remember what it is called.moo

Magnum357

02-21-2009, 05:53 PM

I still don't understand why the police still has the house roped off as a crime sceen? Haven't they already processed the house? I never heard of a case like this when they roped off a house for almost 2 weeks in a missing child's case:confused:

I think it's odd too---really odd. I've never heard of preserving a crime scene for this long. Maybe they're doing some testing and are waiting for results to see if they need to do further testing? Just a guess as I can't think of anything else (other than maybe Ron and Misty don't want to go back into that trailer until they know what has become of Haleigh).

As for the hair jokes that are continuing to pop up---you people should be ashamed of yourselves for making fun of ANY family member. Does your own hair look so bad that it makes you feel better to make fun of someone else? Especially a family that's going through what this family is going through. Better check the mirror. (Not intended or directed at you, CalifMermaid)

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 05:54 PM

What's this mean? Never heard it before.

2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:56 PM

What's this mean? Never heard it before.

2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE

selling drugs out of your car or hauling them around maybe?

breeze53

02-21-2009, 05:59 PM

I think it's odd too---really odd. I've never heard of preserving a crime scene for this long. Maybe they're doing some testing and are waiting for results to see if they need to do further testing? Just a guess as I can't think of anything else (other than maybe Ron and Misty don't want to go back into that trailer until they know what has become of Haleigh).

As for the hair jokes that are continuing to pop up---you people should be ashamed of yourselves for making fun of ANY family member. Does your own hair look so bad that it makes you feel better to make fun of someone else? Especially a family that's going through what this family is going through. Better check the mirror. (Not intended or directed at you, CalifMermaid)

If someone took my grandchild i doubt that I would even be worried about what my hair looks like, i doubt this person did either.

CC I See

02-21-2009, 06:00 PM

my point was that there is even more difficulty in a stranger rape/murder bc you don't know who or what you are looking for and its much harder to go back 10 years later and compare things. At least intra family the ppl are all there.

this is just to long. So they wait for a body and it doesn't appear for another year, they going to keep the landlord from getting income or the tenant getting their belongings? IF they had luminol'ed and found something one or the other would be under arrest right now imo.
i just cant believe there is anything left to test, anything left to find or anything LE can do with the house yet. Most missing persons cases they may seal it off for 48 hours but they don['t toss the family out for weeks. Heck they don't do that in most murder cases! I dont think they know what they are doing, probably never handled a case like this before and are not competent to.

IMO.... bolding to address
It is possible to kill without leaving a shred of evidence in a home. Luminol only works on body fluids such as blood. The mobile home has had numerous occupants over the years. There is probably a lot of DNA and prints from these people left behind that LE has to sort through.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 06:01 PM

Turners Syndrome

I wonder if she takes medicine for it daily? If so I wonder how long she could do without it. They need to find this baby.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 06:04 PM

Per LE Misty's Cousin Is Not A Suspect!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131872&catid=3

hmmmmmmmmmmmm wonder what her next move will be perhaps the truth where the child is????????

IlliniFan

02-21-2009, 06:05 PM

One more dead end. Not that I wanted him to be a suspect, but just hoping for a viable lead to find this little girl...

cloe23

02-21-2009, 06:05 PM

Anyone know what the layout of this trailer is?

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:06 PM

If you heard the reporter that interviewed *Jeff*, its exactly what he said. He told the reporter they were accussing him to take suspicion off someone else.

moo

I absolutely believe that. I think the cousin probably has an alibi for when Haleigh went missing ~ like maybe he wasn't even in FL. :sneaky: MOO

CC I See

02-21-2009, 06:08 PM

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Thanks once again someone is lieing:w00t: Unless LE told him to say there wasn't a fight.

Here's a new twist on the gun and fight ~

"Police had declined before today to say whether Croslin's cousin was a suspect. He had been visiting for two weeks, but he and Croslin argued after he tried to steal a gun from the home, Haleigh's grandmother said Friday. She said she told investigators about him.

The cousin left the same morning Haleigh disappeared."

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-21/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_haleighs_disappe arance

Rick777

02-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Well it seems that we have come to a dead end as far as Misty, Ron, Joe, and relatives.

I guess we just need to find and rule out Chad Reynolds and we will have just about nobody "known" left.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Captain Dick Schauland didn't have much new information to release in Saturday afternoon's press conference, but when asked point-blank about whether the man known as 'Joe' in Tennessee was a suspect or person of interest, Schauland said he wasn't.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131872&catid=3

This might mean that his alibi that he wasn't in Florida when Haleigh went missing checks out like he maintains.

I have said from the beginning that we only have Misty's word that he was there during the time Haleigh went missing and that he is a sexual predator.

....... because the truth never changes. ~Marc Klass~

I bet LE is very frustrated .IMO this is just another lie she has told. Espically if he was there 3 weeks before Haleigh went missing. I dont think Ron was involved but i do think Misty is hideing the truth, maybe someone should tell her if something happened and shes afraid to say it because of Ron cant they put her into protected custody? I mean where else does this lead but her, maybe she was asleep, I dont think so. Maybe she wasnt there and someone got her who knows. Let's just come clean and find this child time is running out.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:16 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg673547#msg673547

That doesn't fit in though with what the former resident said last weekend about the 'garden tub' in the corner of the master bathroom. :confused:

CC I See

02-21-2009, 06:17 PM

Well it seems that we have come to a dead end as far as Misty, Ron, Joe, and relatives.

I guess we just need to find and rule out Chad Reynolds and we will have just about nobody "known" left.....that's what we're here for.

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 06:18 PM

I have read a lot of post on this missing child. Of course, not all post so if I miss something I am sorry.

I would like to give my opinion on what is taking place. I am not sure if it would help, but I would like to know what other's think about this also. If this has been posted already I apologize.

Also, the opinions below are only my opinions.

I have never suspected Ron at all. If you listen very closely to the 911 call all I can hear is true terror, fear, and pain coming from Ron.

Misty I have suspected from the very beginning. I do not think she hurt Haleigh, but I do feel she is holding something back from Ron and the police. I don't know what and it is driving me crazy trying to figure it out.

I feel that Misty is holding back because she is not afraid of Ron physically, but afraid of losing his "love". Well, in my opinion she has already lost that. Whether she deserves it or not I do not think Ron will ever forgive her for this even if he finds out it was not her fault. He will always blame her for not waking up - if she is truly innocent.

I personally feel the police have told Ron and his mother to keep Misty close. Does anyone else feel this way?

The pink shirt is really bothering me and also can someone please clear up the blanket in the van for me? I keep reading about it, but somewhere down the line I have missed the information about the blanket in the van.

Also, on Haleigh missing so much school - this does not bother me since she does have a chronic illness.

Sleeping in the same room does not bother me. How many reports have there been of how fast a trailer can burn. I see an over protective parent with Ron ( I know because I am an over protective mother and grandmother) and remember their was a heat/air guy there that day. So, they must have been having some kind of problems with the furnace.

The pink shirt bothers me A LOT. I don't know why, but it does.

I am sure I will have more to add later. I will be honest this is a little scary posting for the first time. I have not even figured out what a lot of the initials stand for in some post.

Oh, and as far as the picture with Geraldo. I used to love this guy years ago. In the past few years he has lost most of my respect. If he knew that picture was real I think it would have been shown immediately on his show. Where did this picture come from? If it was just mailed to his show, please remember photo shop and there is a lot of sicko's out there as we all know.

Thanks for reading and please remember MOO

So.
What is it about the pink shirt that bothers you so much? You must have more to say on the subject other than it bothers you and you don't know why.

welcome, btw.
:wink:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 06:21 PM

Chad's stepmom is posting at WS, and she says Chad disappeared Super Bowl Sunday and has no connection to this case. I believe her. She came to the web message boards as she has no where else to turn to get information.

moo

Interesting. Thanks!

breeze53

02-21-2009, 06:23 PM

UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES

snipped for brevity
************************************************** ****************

I have seen some of this but the convictions are...what? Curiosity compels me but ... How bad is Mom's record that Ron got custody and she didn't?

Now, having said that, can we trust that LE is doing their job and checking anyone/anything that has to do with Ron's record? If he was still dealing it must not be too lucrative that he has to work 12 hour shifts to put food on the table and pay rent. If LE suspected drugs with Misty surely they would have checked that out. Each day that passes seems to vindicate them both IMO. They have both cooperated to the fullest, gone back for LE interviews, taken polys (Misty 2 or more) and they haven't lawyered up ala Ramsey and Anthony. They are available to media. Ron, an emotional hothead has reacted just like an immature emotional hothead would when his child is taken in the night. They may not be articulate and their domeatic situation is (ahem) less than ideal but the family and community love Haleigh and want her back desperately.

Ron's mom works for the Sheriff's department? How embarrassing is Ron's record for her? :cursing:[/QUOTE]

I guess as parents nothing surprises us about our kids sometimes:rolleyes:

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 06:25 PM

I have read a lot of post on this missing child. Of course, not all post so if I miss something I am sorry.

I would like to give my opinion on what is taking place. I am not sure if it would help, but I would like to know what other's think about this also. If this has been posted already I apologize.

Also, the opinions below are only my opinions.

I have never suspected Ron at all. If you listen very closely to the 911 call all I can hear is true terror, fear, and pain coming from Ron.

Misty I have suspected from the very beginning. I do not think she hurt Haleigh, but I do feel she is holding something back from Ron and the police. I don't know what and it is driving me crazy trying to figure it out.

I feel that Misty is holding back because she is not afraid of Ron physically, but afraid of losing his "love". Well, in my opinion she has already lost that. Whether she deserves it or not I do not think Ron will ever forgive her for this even if he finds out it was not her fault. He will always blame her for not waking up - if she is truly innocent.

I personally feel the police have told Ron and his mother to keep Misty close. Does anyone else feel this way?

The pink shirt is really bothering me and also can someone please clear up the blanket in the van for me? I keep reading about it, but somewhere down the line I have missed the information about the blanket in the van.

Also, on Haleigh missing so much school - this does not bother me since she does have a chronic illness.

Sleeping in the same room does not bother me. How many reports have there been of how fast a trailer can burn. I see an over protective parent with Ron ( I know because I am an over protective mother and grandmother) and remember their was a heat/air guy there that day. So, they must have been having some kind of problems with the furnace.

The pink shirt bothers me A LOT. I don't know why, but it does.

I am sure I will have more to add later. I will be honest this is a little scary posting for the first time. I have not even figured out what a lot of the initials stand for in some post.

Oh, and as far as the picture with Geraldo. I used to love this guy years ago. In the past few years he has lost most of my respect. If he knew that picture was real I think it would have been shown immediately on his show. Where did this picture come from? If it was just mailed to his show, please remember photo shop and there is a lot of sicko's out there as we all know.

Thanks for reading and please remember MOO
Welcome to the board!
Great first post.
I think your theory makes a lot of sense.

CC I See

02-21-2009, 06:26 PM

What did he mean by a *garden tub*? I design kitchens and baths and I've never heard that expression in 20 years.... could they mean a built in planter for plants?

Rick777

02-21-2009, 06:26 PM

Armchairdet

02-21-2009, 06:26 PM

What did he mean by a *garden tub*? I design kitchens and baths and I've never heard that expression in 20 years.

Wow, I don't design bathrooms, but have heard it a lot. I saw it a lot while we were looking at houses. It is a large bathtub. IMO

tybek

02-21-2009, 06:29 PM

snipping for space and emphasis

I
I have never suspected Ron at all. If you listen very closely to the 911 call all I can hear is true terror, fear, and pain coming from Ron.

Misty I have suspected from the very beginning. I do not think she hurt Haleigh, but I do feel she is holding something back from Ron and the police. I don't know what and it is driving me crazy trying to figure it out.

Hi & welcome with your first post. I agree with so much that you said. Especially about Ron's call, his involvement. I think if Misty is hiding something, it is that she wasn't there.

I also agree with you re: Geraldo. Should have been here last nite, we had a whole bunch of posts about him and I don't think a single poster supported him or said they liked him which is unusual given the diversity in the likes/dislikes of the board readers.

JMO

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 06:29 PM

What did he mean by a *garden tub*? I design kitchens and baths and I've never heard that expression in 20 years.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.houseraffle.net/images/InteriorPhotos/gardenTubLg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.houseraffle.net/photos.htm&usg=__iD3wqAPSquoLqyz_OHGP8TDJlLo=&h=536&w=800&sz=39&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=n4eo36Lk1vdCSM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgarden%2Btub%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

http://www.fsboalwayseasy.com/upload/listingphotos/5328976/5328976_GardenTub2.jpg

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 06:29 PM

I bet LE is very frustrated .IMO this is just another lie she has told. Espically if he was there 3 weeks before Haleigh went missing. I dont think Ron was involved but i do think Misty is hideing the truth, maybe someone should tell her if something happened and shes afraid to say it because of Ron cant they put her into protected custody? I mean where else does this lead but her, maybe she was asleep, I dont think so. Maybe she wasnt there and someone got her who knows. Let's just come clean and find this child time is running out.

So where are the intelligent adults in her life who ought to come forward and take her by her neck to a chair and sit her down and holler like hell at the little liar that she's going to tell the truth and tell it now -- and put the fear of whatever in her.

Just like the Screwed Up Anthony Family should have done to KC, instead of letting her b.s. them.

Isn't anyone else sick of these lying people? Every single one of them?

I'd like to put every single one of these liars on an island somewhere where they could live out their miserable lives lying to each other with every breath they take -- instead of putting innocent people and children in jeopardy because they can't look the truth in the face.

Oh.
I get so angry with these lying game players.
This is not a game.
:cursing:

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:29 PM

What did he mean by a *garden tub*? I design kitchens and baths and I've never heard that expression in 20 years.

Maybe something like one of these?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=garden+tub&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

tybek

02-21-2009, 06:32 PM

I'm one that has always thought Ron or Misty has knowledge of something, but I'm thinking as of now......they are cleared. Misty, to her credit has put in HOURS with LE, and although she has had a few times where she confused things, the story as a whole stays the same. If Ron had something to do with it, he would not stay near the scene and search daily. You can't fake that effort.

I've always thought that if she were hiding anything, it was that she stepped out for a bit. But she may not be hiding anything. As for her inconsistencies, she is young, distraught, sleep deprived and in a situation that could rattle even the most collected of persons, much less a 17 yr old racked with pain and guilt. Maybe her inconsistencies are nothing more than that. JMO

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 06:33 PM

... could they mean a built in planter for plants?

LOL.
That's what I was going to say...that it was a potted plant sitting on the edge of the bath tub.

:wink:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 06:35 PM

If all these people are lying, how do they keep pass the lie-detectors?

cloe23

02-21-2009, 06:39 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg673547#msg673547

Thanks.......

CC I See

02-21-2009, 06:40 PM

If all these people are lying, how do they keep pass the lie-detectors?.... we have no proof that they have other than what they tell us. LE has not come right out and said that they passed them.... only that they were satisfied with the results.

juliekan

02-21-2009, 06:41 PM

As I said, in my neck of the woods its a Jacuzzi, or Whirlpool.

Most of the time the difference is having a window by them

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:42 PM

In my venucular we refer to them as Jacuzzis or Whirlpools. Possible it may still be there if that's what the pastor meant.

At any rate, it seemed the pastor last weekend was inferring there is a master bath in the m/h and the floor plan you linked only has one bathroom. I'm just wondering if it's really been confirmed that floor plan is correct? :confused:

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:43 PM

If all these people are lying, how do they keep pass the lie-detectors?

I haven't heard from LE that they've passed?

Rick777

02-21-2009, 06:45 PM

.... we have no proof that they have other than what they tell us. LE has not come right out and said that they passed them.... only that they were satisfied with the results.

This morning in here, someone posted a link where LE said they are "satisfied" with Ron and Misty's test results.

catdoc

02-21-2009, 06:50 PM

This morning in here, someone posted a link where LE said they are "satisfied" with Ron and Misty's test results.

Yes. And why on earth would they be "satified" with the tests if they failed any part of it???

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 06:54 PM

Most do have 2 baths. The previous owner said there was a garden tub in the corner of the mb.

Then when you look at this pic of the back of the house you see the small window that would be the 2nd bath.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/desmom-2007/backofhouse2.jpg

I do not think the floor plan that was linked is correct. Let me look for one.

imo

Pebbles

02-21-2009, 06:55 PM

So where are the intelligent adults in her life who ought to come forward and take her by her neck to a chair and sit her down and holler like hell at the little liar that she's going to tell the truth and tell it now -- and put the fear of whatever in her.

Just like the Screwed Up Anthony Family should have done to KC, instead of letting her b.s. them.

Isn't anyone else sick of these lying people? Every single one of them?

I'd like to put every single one of these liars on an island somewhere where they could live out their miserable lives lying to each other with every breath they take -- instead of putting innocent people and children in jeopardy because they can't look the truth in the face.

Oh.
I get so angry with these lying game players.
This is not a game.
:cursing:

Thank you for expressing what I am feeling. An innocent little girl is missing, if a seventeen year old girl is suppose to be mature enough to be trusted to care for two young children, then part of that maturity includes taking responsibility for your actions so a missing five year old girl can be found.

Misty's age should not excuse her actions. If Haleigh actually went missing in the middle of the night, Misty is old enough to remember what she did and what happened, the life of a little girl is what is important, not excusing Misty's forgetfulness.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 06:58 PM

This morning in here, someone posted a link where LE said they are "satisfied" with Ron and Misty's test results.

I wonder if LE just doesn't want either of them, or especially her, to lawyer up? :shrug:

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:00 PM

Rick777

02-21-2009, 07:00 PM

Yes. And why on earth would they be "satified" with the tests if they failed any part of it???

unless LE is playing some game, I'd say they are cleared.

CC I See

02-21-2009, 07:01 PM

Yes. And why on earth would they be "satified" with the tests if they failed any part of it???.... I think they made this statement because they don't want to say either way about the results.

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 07:03 PM

Yes. And why on earth would they be "satified" with the tests if they failed any part of it???

I'm with you on that but as you can see, there is some disagreement amongst posters.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:03 PM

Hi Sunstar.......Yeah it seems that if LE was told about him from the get go then have had more than enough time to check him out. I do not know where the report came in that he left Fl when this first went down. If true could he is not be a suspect yet perhaps knows something. Or he got spooked and took off because he knew LE would suspect him. Maybe like you said Sunstar he was not even there and this was just another rumor.

The way Ron`s mom was talking about him even being in that home in the first place, sounds to me Ron was never warned about him before hand. If so I would think he would be totally pizzed at Misty for bringing him around Haleigh. Even if he did not do this. I sure would be. Funny how we have not seen pics of the two joined at he hip for awhile now.

I am just catching up here today.....Has any of them spoke today?......In mins Report Saturday on Fox will be on. They have been covering this and perhaps GR will be on......Just a heads up!

Hi TREE TREE :seeya: I've heard Misty is with her family and Ron's in his donated trailer, and haven't seen any new video of the two of them together either. Geraldo's supposed to be in Florida today and will have a report on his show at 10pm. I just turned on Fox News after reading your post!

eta ~ there's a little bit with Geraldo on right now. It seems everybody at the tent camp is telling him to go home! :scared:

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 07:04 PM

is geraldo going to show his "shocking" pic tonight or tomorrow ...if anyone knows....thanks....

IMO there's a good chance this is just more geraldo blow.......I guess we'll see.....

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:04 PM

thanks so much! :smile:

I think this is close to the floor plan.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=MC84.jpg

Pebbles

02-21-2009, 07:06 PM

Yes. And why on earth would they be "satified" with the tests if they failed any part of it???

LE is still conducting an investigation, I think this sheriff is realizing the less you say to the media and public, the easier it will be for LE to conduct a thorough investigation. I think LE has seen what kind of circus atmosphere can take place after watching Caylee's case or in Trenton Duckett's case having a primary suspect take her life and what happened to her son to her grave.

When the investigation is complete the person or persons responsible for little Haleigh's disappearance will be taken care of.

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:08 PM

Sunstar Here is another floor plan.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=M3036-51004.jpg

Destini

02-21-2009, 07:09 PM

Just had to come and post this. On Fox News a few minutes ago they showed what I suppose was a preview of Geraldo's show. He was shown in with a group of the family, who seemed ready to tackle him to the ground & he was basically walking away from them quickly. Ron's mom was blessing him out, didn't catch her words, but Geraldo was saying, "It's not my allegation, ma'am, it's not my allegation."

Interesting.

Peaches

02-21-2009, 07:10 PM

Wouldn't the officers first on the scene have noted that the last person to see Haleigh was possibly under the influence? The paternal g-mom seems to be at the home quite a bit. She is well spoken and she is supportive of Misty, or so it seems.

Also as far as records go, hasn't Ron been clean since 2002? That was his last legal run-in wasn't it? Wasn't that one of the reasons he retained custody of the children?

MOO

You are correct.

Ron has not used drugs since he bacame a father. Yes, he has a temper but that does not mean he is abusive. I know several people with a temper but they do not resort to physcial actions..........

If Misty was under the influence of anything, I think that would have leaked out by now.

Why would anyone think that they are selling the stuff...........they have nothing that shows they have money???????

Being uneducated - being poor - does not make you a criminal.

I am impressed with Ron for supporting his children instead of running off like many parents.

Until I see the proff, I will keep believing that Ron did nothing to hurt his child.

Peaches

02-21-2009, 07:12 PM

2002 wasn't his last legal run-in by a long shot.

JMO 'cause I don't know where the rap sheet was that I saw.

They were hunting charges---not drug use -------------

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:12 PM

is geraldo going to show his "shocking" pic tonight or tomorrow ...if anyone knows....thanks....

IMO there's a good chance this is just more geraldo blow.......I guess we'll see.....

The last I heard the photo had to be approved by Fox News' legal dept.

catdoc

02-21-2009, 07:13 PM

Whatever. I'm well acquainted with the variety of tubs on the market, windows or not windows. That being said, what does the bathtub really have to do with this case and Haleigh's disappearance.

Its so easy to go off on a tangent here, without the topic having one fig newton to do with the case.

moo

Swarovski, that is because we have no information to discuss. I've never seen a case like this where LE gives the public Nothing. And gives it everyday. We are all just waiting. While we wait, we want to talk but there's only so much you can say about NO news. I know LE needs to protect their case but they also need tht public to help find this child. Are they going overboard with the "tightlips"? I don't know.

Everyone is here because they want to keep the story alive until Haleigh is found and without posts, the story dies here. A little rabbit chasing might just fill the empty time and keep a sense of comaraderie and determination in this effort.

As far as the "hair" comments,they provided me with some much needed comic relief from such intense worry and dread. Noone made fun of her personally (as in her personality, articulateness, or her pain). People were mostly startled by the drastic change and the obvious effort and expense she had gone to to achieve the new look. I thought someone might have played a practical joke on the poor woman. Anyway, the comments made me laugh till I cried and the relief felt good. If her family are not kind enough to clue her in then maybe word will reach her from MB's and rescue her from furthur interviews in that state.

I wish we would get some news,good or bad. Not knowing anymore than we do must be He!! for the family.

Keeping the home roped off all this time is very strange. Never seen a family put out of their home for more than a day, even when the child's death was thought to have been caused there (Anthony's).

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 07:14 PM

GR is on at 10p eastern tonight and tomorrow. I noticed on his page on the foxnews.com website that his focus is now Chandra Levy ... hummm ... what happened to the HUGE break in the case with the new photo??! Was this the wiggle room he needed to back off the story? Come on Geraldo, put up or shut up! :mad:

bolded by me......probably the same thing that happened to his exclusive with cindy......it was only in his dreams....

FOX at 6:30 geraldo's exclusive interview with ron.......CST

CC I See

02-21-2009, 07:14 PM

i just saw that... Geraldo better watch out or chairs might start flying and his nose will be broken again :laugh: well.....one can only hope.

101Spots

02-21-2009, 07:15 PM

exactly... it's the special Garden Window setting

when we had our house built we could have put in a jacuzzi or whirlpool or a Garden Tub

the garden tub was designed into a garden window with skylights above... the jacuzzi and whirlpool were not.

Can I come over if I bring my own soap?

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:16 PM

Are they showing the Geraldo thing on HLN or Fox?

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 07:17 PM

Are they showing the Geraldo thing on HLN or Fox?

FOX,,,they own geraldo imo

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:17 PM

I think this is close to the floor plan.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=MC84.jpg

That could be close. I remember the pastor saying the master bdrm. was 10' x 10'. I haven't seen or heard who the manufacturer is either. MOO

ttcRider

02-21-2009, 07:18 PM

they said the report will be on in 15 minutes

I can't wait... the family is very upset with Geraldo so he better be able to back up the allegations because what he said is really horrible... and if it's not true that's just inexcusable!

Do we know what he said? I don't get that channel. :crying:

CC I See

02-21-2009, 07:19 PM

FOX,,,they own geraldo imo.... will someone post the link when it is available. I am not where there is a TV.

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:19 PM

FOX (sorry did i say HLN before?) my bad!

That's ok. I thought maybe other news channels were showing it. So they could laugh. :biggrin:

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:22 PM

Wow, I don't design bathrooms, but have heard it a lot. I saw it a lot while we were looking at houses. It is a large bathtub. IMO
Just a large plain bathtub or is it the kind with jets like a Jacuzzi?

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:22 PM

That could be close. I remember the pastor saying the master bdrm. was 10' x 10'. I haven't seen or heard who the manufacturer is either. MOO

One more floor plan. See how the bath is beside the Master Bedroom? I think from seeing the skylight on the roof this is the most like the Cummings home. Of course it is turned around the other way.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=M3076-51004.jpg

ttcRider

02-21-2009, 07:24 PM

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:24 PM

Any talk about family pets in the trailer?

cloe23

02-21-2009, 07:25 PM

Hey Cloe my friend...I dont have the link..however last weekend there were many who posted pics..descriptions and possible dementions of this double wide trailer..it's not a travel trailer..but a park model..so is not meant to be trailed with vehicle by people..but set up as a home..not that it cant be moved..only not mobile..

It is a 3 bedroom model with front and side entrance...at least by what I visualzed//and I believe there are links to aerial view of that home.;as well

Good luck, this home was certainly not a bad setting in my view..however with so many pedophiles close by it certainly isnt the safest one either??

LMS:huh:

LTNS:wub:

I know:smile: how r u? I figured you have been on the PSII thread?
This trailer looks nice, sky lights and all. I question only one bathroom? One would think that there is a master bath thus no reason to go to the kitchen for a drink of water.(Right at 3am when Ron gets home from work)
The presser today pretty much said it all for me, LE has given up on this sweet child being found alive, why no plea to bring her home or announcing her apparent need for ongoing medical attention?
Since Misty is a minor, 'hard core interrogation' may not be an option?
She knows something, jmo.

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 07:26 PM

This morning in here, someone posted a link where LE said they are "satisfied" with Ron and Misty's test results.

But "satisfied" is open to interpretation.

A typical LE reply. It sounds like it means something, when in actuality it could mean anything.

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 07:26 PM

Wow Ron's relatives gave GR what he deserves and said GR doesn't care about Haleigh being missing. Looks like GR was going get the smackdown!:thumbup:

~~~~:thumbsup:~~~~

Good!

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:26 PM

I'm on the westcoast (San Diego) so I won't be able to see it until 7pm but I'm sure the eastcoast peeps can report on it sooner.

His show is on at 10pm where I am so it'd be the same time you'll see it! There's going to be a "preview" in a couple of minutes. :scared:

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:28 PM

Any talk about family pets in the trailer?

I haven't heard anything and if there was a big vicious watchdog I doubt anybody would've gotten away with snatching Haleigh! :biggrin:

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:30 PM

I saw him on Bill Oreilly last night and he said he has a picture of haliegh where she is "beat to a pulp" (HIS exact words)

then he went on to make all sorts of ugly comments and accusations against her dad.

I can't recall it all... because i was sitting here shocked at what he said
I watched it twice and came away with two different perspectives.
First time around I thought Geraldo was thinking along the lines of a sexual offender taking off with Haleigh. Geraldo then spoke of Ron and of course, the pic of Haleigh that he says he has but won't show it until it's been verified. He also mentioned a third child of Ron's. Supposed called Chloe and the mother's name is Amber. I think that Geraldo is confused on this as it's Crystal and her new boyfriend that have a child called Chloe that is about a year old or so.

Geraldo also mentioned the 22 days that Haleigh missed from school this school year.

Second time around, I got the feeling that he was blaming Ron for everything. It was very ugly. He also said that he would be in Florida today so I think his show will be partly live from Ron's area.

It's entirely possible that Geraldo was just hyping it up for ratings. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

cloe23

02-21-2009, 07:31 PM

One more floor plan. See how the bath is beside the Master Bedroom? I think from seeing the skylight on the roof this is the most like the Cummings home. Of course it is turned around the other way.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=M3076-51004.jpg

TY for the link. Oh my I just posted similar about the master bath. Great minds....

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:31 PM

One more floor plan. See how the bath is beside the Master Bedroom? I think from seeing the skylight on the roof this is the most like the Cummings home. Of course it is turned around the other way.

http://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/ShowImage.aspx?path=M3076-51004.jpg

If that's anything like it, it sure would be a nice walk through the house to get from the back door to master bedroom. Unless the perp came in the front door and walked out the back. MOO

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:32 PM

I haven't heard anything and if there was a big vicious watchdog I doubt anybody would've gotten away with snatching Haleigh! :biggrin:

A dog may have saved a lot of tragedy.

VC2

02-21-2009, 07:33 PM

All i can say is that Geraldo is a grade A jerk.

imo.

cloe23

02-21-2009, 07:33 PM

Was it the propped open exit door that was noticed by Misty or the empty bed?

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:35 PM

Geraldo's on again, standing next to Crystal (Haleigh's mother). She's just standing there expressionless. He's explaining how he got his information about Ron. Now he's going to his videoclip talking to Ron. This is where peiople including Ron are getting hostile toward him. Ron's accusing him of making up things. :scared: Now Julie (anchor) is asking Geraldo about Misty, like if we know for sure she was home all night. Geraldo: "many inconsistencies".

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:36 PM

I haven't heard anything and if there was a big vicious watchdog I doubt anybody would've gotten away with snatching Haleigh! :biggrin:

Not sure this has been brought up sorry if so but did anyone hear anything about a homemade chair being found behind there house in the woods.

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:37 PM

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:37 PM

Geraldo is there live with Crystal Sheffield. He showed some film from earlier with a show down with Ron.

Geraldo doesn't know what to believe as far as Misty being home that night or not.

Geraldo speaks again of Ron having a baby with a seventeen year old Amber and reminds his audience that Crystal was seventeen as well when she had a baby by him.

Geraldo interviews Crystal Sheffield. She says that Misty was outside the trailer when Ron got home from work then they called 911.

Geraldo will also have an interview with Chandra Levy's mom tonight.

starling

02-21-2009, 07:37 PM

I can't believe how nasty GR is being towards this family. He treats the A's like gold and doesn't say anything bad about Casey but he goes down to FL and not to help find Haleigh but gets in the face of Ron with questions about wanting to shoot someone and about a picture of hurting Haleigh :cursing: Man he make me pizzed!

Geraldo is a nut job. I can't believe he works for ANY network. JMO

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:37 PM

You're right I'm watching it now and GR is now saying Crystal said Ron hit her when she was preggers!

I tend to believe Crystal. I thought Ron was going to get into a fight with Geraldo during the little we saw of the "interview"!!

FrankieBones1

02-21-2009, 07:39 PM

Not sure this has been brought up sorry if so but did anyone hear anything about a homemade chair being found behind there house in the woods.

I saw a photo of it. First thought was, someone used that chair to spy on females that lived in nearby trailers.

VC2

02-21-2009, 07:40 PM

if there is one person out of them all that i felt has lied its crystal. Just never made a big deal out of it bc i dont think it has to do with haleighs disappearance (remember even her own version of Ron losing haleigh while in his care is crazy bc they were together at the house with both kids at the same time, and no way did she need to be revived and no report made imo..but the big red flag is she admits she and ron were both with the kids and haleigh wandered off where she lived for a few moments and got in the river (his moms place)..if that was true)

i think half the stories have been made up by crystal to satisfy her own mom about custody etc, and the other half are just vindictive stuff ... any mother who says she didnt take her daughter for her needed hormone shots bc she didnt want to get out of bed..well i dont htink she gives a dang about haleigh or junior

GR has cozied up to crystal and her family just like he did to baez.
IMO

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 07:41 PM

So who do you all believe Crystal or Ron?

Why is the Anchor Woman saying Ron mysteriously appeared at 3 in the morning? He was coming home from work.

Now Geraldo says Ron appeared to be in an altered state. :w00t:

I've thought Ron Cummings appeared to be "altered" mentally on other occasions, but I didn't think he was acting too 'out there' this time.

Maybe Geraldo smelled something on him.

I don't know.
This isn't a good place for children to grow up in -- or around. That's for sure.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:41 PM

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:44 PM

not a whole lot of revelations other than Ron hitting Crystal when she was pregnant... did you hear anything else that you hadn't heard before?

I didn't... just the same stuff he said on Bill Oreilly

No I didn't hear anything new either, but I'll watch his show tonight to see what else there is. :smile: (I also want to hear more about Chandra's killer).

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 07:45 PM

So is that where Geraldo got the pic, Crystal?

imo

VC2

02-21-2009, 07:46 PM

I tend to believe Crystal. I thought Ron was going to get into a fight with Geraldo during the little we saw of the "interview"!!

Perfectly natural imo. I thought ron showed great restraint, i would have turned GR into a tenor if it was me and that microphone would have needed surgery to remove it from where it ended up.

I would have clocked him. what a pos to go after the dad of a missing child like that with nothing but innuendo and custody type accusations - as in the ones that happen in custody cases...and then the snide nasty comment about "then he went and pleaded for haleigh to be brought home, returning to a sorrowful demeanor". I hope Ron does deck him, except then he would be arrested which wouldn't be good

imo

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 07:46 PM

UHH..seems everyone on this board wants to get into a fight with GR--not just Ron :mad:

That's not unusual, is it? LOL.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:46 PM

Will GR show the picture he alledgedly has of a battered Haleigh? Just got on....has that picture been mentioned anywhere today?

Photo wasn't mentioned. Last night though they said it had to be okayed with the legal dept. at Fox News.

Peaches

02-21-2009, 07:47 PM

... could they mean a built in planter for plants?

NO........it is a larger than average bathtub

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:47 PM

I think it's pretty obvious that he's getting the info from Crystal and or her family

JMO

I was hopeing they could all put there differences aside and help bring Haleigh home. guess thats not gonna happen.

Destini

02-21-2009, 07:48 PM

Crystal (the mom) also told Geraldo that at one of the vigils Ron told Chad (mom's boyfriend) & some other guy he was 3/4's sure of who had taken Haleigh & something about having a gun. Ron denied saying this, said Geraldo came there making up stuff or somebody was making up stuff.

What a mess! These people are trying to keep the tension down between themselves in order to come together for their daughter. Now Geraldo's there trying to push their buttons. What exactly does he think this will accomplish??

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:48 PM

UHH..seems everyone on this board wants to get into a fight with GR--not just Ron :mad:

I don't!! :unsure:

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:48 PM

I think the media is getting hungry. No news, not many leads, nobody has lawyered up. Geraldo is ginning this up IMO. He's gonna put that picture out there next I bet.

And Ron just might beat his azz i bet:smile:

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:50 PM

Doesn't Crystal have a child by another man?

Yes a little girl i believe.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 07:50 PM

If its true that Ron says he know 75% who took Haleigh, then I don't blame Crystal at all.

I changed my mind about Misty and Ron a few days ago. Look back at some of the videos. He occassionally shows a mean sneer. Unmasked.
moo

I'm curious who is on his list of suspects ~ it seems Misty's cousin has been ruled out. :shrug:

VC2

02-21-2009, 07:54 PM

IIRC Misty said she woke to get a drink. She found the kitchen light on and the noticed the door.

Whoever took the child went through the kitchen IMO and most likely the bedroom was right off the kitchen

Geraldo saying Ron drunk or on dope during his interview ... "altered state" Can't believe the stupid chick on Fox News had to ask where Ron was at 3pm.

yeah of course Ron is drunk or on dope...naturally a guy who has probably hardly slept for 10 days, has a little girl likely raped and murdered, has to put up with a pos like GR attacking him for ratings, is going to have no reason for seeming a little out of it.

GR should be fired and crystal has confirmed my opinion of her.

imo

breeze53

02-21-2009, 07:56 PM

So her point is.....? What does that have to do with Haleigh being missing?

:shrug::shrug: I was just answering there question.

VC2

02-21-2009, 07:57 PM

He does seem to have a nasty chip on his shoulder and angers easily.

At first I just marked up his anger at the dispatcher and Misty to the stress of this situation but now that we're hearing that he hit Crystal when she was pregnant.. that's not good. :scared:

I guess we'll have to wait and see. :mellow:

i dont believe crystal for one minute. If he was abusive to her it would have been brought up in the custody case where crystal testified. In fact, if half of what she or her mother have said was true it would have been in the custody hearing.

imo

cloe23

02-21-2009, 08:00 PM

I saw a photo of it. First thought was, someone used that chair to spy on females that lived in nearby trailers.

:scared: You still got that photo?
My mind went to punishment, not sitting in the corner but sitting in the woods. I hate being so dark.
LE has this chair then?

Mamie

02-21-2009, 08:01 PM

I was hopeing they could all put there differences aside and help bring Haleigh home. guess thats not gonna happen.

I thought that in the very beginning when the mom was taking shots at Ron during her first interview, about how he got custody and all that. There were things she said that didn't need to be said, in lieu of why she was being interviewed at all. I don't think she really wanted the kids. I think she doesn't want to be portrayed as that and uses the things she said as a crutch. JMO

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:02 PM

So her point is.....? What does that have to do with Haleigh being missing?

I found the question and answer to be informative.
I like to know as much as I can about the players.

Smile.
It's only a message board.

:wink:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 08:05 PM

I think Geraldo is getting exactly what he was hoping for. Anger from Ron. He wants everyone to see Ron had the anger to kill. Has a past of abuse that lead to killing, etc....

Geraldo could help alot more if he found Haleigh!!!

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:05 PM

I found the question and answer to be informative.
I like to know as much as I can about the players.

Smile.
It's only a message board.

:wink:

She has a picture of her little girl on her myspace page.

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 08:07 PM

.Crystal, the ex, just stood alongside Geeraldo and verified there is another child with a woman named Amber.

moo

I'm still wondering what this has to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:07 PM

TY, sunstar. Only a few answer ppl's questions here. Been on boards over 2 1/2 years and this is one of the least responsive groups. Guess they have their own agenda. Makes no difference actually.

I'm sorry :sad: sometimes it moves kind of quickly especially when there's "news".

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:07 PM

yeah of course Ron is drunk or on dope...naturally a guy who has probably hardly slept for 10 days, has a little girl likely raped and murdered, has to put up with a pos like GR attacking him for ratings, is going to have no reason for seeming a little out of it.

GR should be fired and crystal has confirmed my opinion of her.

imo

You really think he's drunk or on drugs, at this point, during this terrible time?

Maybe I didn't read your reply right?

I can't imagine getting drunk or stoned or high when my child was missing...

:sad:

march27

02-21-2009, 08:08 PM

But "satisfied" is open to interpretation.

A typical LE reply. It sounds like it means something, when in actuality it could mean anything.

My opinion with satisfied is the results are conclusive whether it be pass or fail.

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:08 PM

I have no doubt LE knows as much (if not more) about the players than we do. I'm sure Baby Chloe will questioned or poly'ed soon enough.
smile
:wink:

That would be good too.
:confused:

Whatever.

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 08:10 PM

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:10 PM

The cousin has three brothers. She has a wide choice.
moo

Oh, like maybe LE cleared the "wrong" cousin??!! I really do think the perp is somebody very close to the family instead of one of those RSO's living nearby. MOO

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 08:11 PM

I thought that in the very beginning when the mom was taking shots at Ron during her first interview, about how he got custody and all that. There were things she said that didn't need to be said, in lieu of why she was being interviewed at all. I don't think she really wanted the kids. I think she doesn't want to be portrayed as that and uses the things she said as a crutch. JMO

I agree with that! I had the very same impression in that first interview!

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:11 PM

I'm still wondering what this has to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

Gee.
I don't know.

But it's interesting.

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 08:11 PM

Hi boxer glad to see you.

If this is correct then how the heck could she see the kitchen light from inside the master bedroom?

I have thought about and I have never lived in a home where I could see the kitchen light from the MB. Granted I have never lived in a trailer other than a very small one while building my house down here but it seems unlikely in most floor plans of homes with 3 bedrooms or more. Perhaps they were not sleeping in the Master bedroom.......yet how would they all fit these beds into a smaller bedroom. Do we know which room they were in and which bathroom she was headed to when she noticed the light?

Color me confused!!

Unless it kinda glowed in to the living room and she was use to seeing black or dark and noticed the light. Does that make sense?

I guess they were in the MB. So if she was going to the bathroom I have no idea. Now is she was getting a drink I guess that would mean she was going to the kitchen? Just guessing here.

I am confused also.

StickyBeak

02-21-2009, 08:12 PM

OMG I caught some of Geraldo, I am going back to read.

He is definitely loaded for bear IMO

ttcRider

02-21-2009, 08:14 PM

snipped

I can't imagine getting drunk or stoned or high when my child was missing...

:sad:

and then go on national TV :crying:

I would probably need to be sedated. :mellow:

5boxersmom

02-21-2009, 08:17 PM

I would probably need to be sedated. :mellow:

Maybe he is.

kitty1182

02-21-2009, 08:20 PM

Too many days are passing......Ron and or Misty knows who might have that child...It's time for someone to start telling the truth.......:mad:

Peaches

02-21-2009, 08:26 PM

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 08:26 PM

I think GR's point is the same facination that Ron has had with 17-year olds ... all 3 girlfriends/baby mamas/wives were just 17. That was my take.

And I don't have any idea whatsoever what that has with Haleigh being missing.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:30 PM

I think GR's point is the same facination that Ron has had with 17-year olds ... all 3 girlfriends/baby mamas/wives were just 17. That was my take.
That's what I got from it too.

forensicfan

02-21-2009, 08:32 PM

I agree with that! I had the very same impression in that first interview!

I missed the interview. I was wondering why she didn't have custody as usually it is the mother that has custody.

I am not sure what to think of Crystal. I do think that her demeanor is very stoic. No expression on her face and no emotion in her voice at all.

I don't think she has anything to do with her daughter going missing but I did notice that she isn't as emotional as I would think a mother would be.

As for the accusation of the beating, IMO if Ron did beat his daughter and they had pictures to prove it, wouldn't DCFS have removed the kids from the home?

I'm just not sure what to think anymore.

cloe23

02-21-2009, 08:37 PM

If Ron thinks that it was a 'log' that broke down the exit door, one would trust that LE has evidence of.... the doors damaged and the inside locks bashed off their hinges.

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:38 PM

Lack of character and morals, which led him to hobnob with unsavory characters who have no scruples and could care less about a little girls life, if its a revenge thing.

moo

Exactly.

I don't know why she needed to ask the question, the answer is evident, LOL.

:biggrin:

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 08:38 PM

bolding mine. It appears that's a possibility to me too. I'm curious to know how Ron got home at 3:27a.m. and knew so many particulars about the crime without having spoken with Misty about it. The 911 call is logged at 3:27a.m.

Within that minute he knew it *was* a crime, that the crime was committed by one person, a man, using a crowbar to break into his house, through a deadbolt that was always locked (as per he & g/f) and stole his daughter.

Sheriff said there was no sign of breakin. FBI's Pat Brown said there's no evidence (of what Ron claims) paraphrase

to CNN & Fox news

I wonder if Ron and Misty will accuse anyone else like they did her cousin.

Don't forget the part where they both offer up alibis right off the bat...

"I just woke up"

"I was at work"

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:40 PM

bolding mine. It appears that's a possibility to me too. I'm curious to know how Ron got home at 3:27a.m. and knew so many particulars about the crime without having spoken with Misty about it. The 911 call is logged at 3:27a.m.

Within that minute he knew it *was* a crime, that the crime was committed by one person, a man, using a crowbar to break into his house, through a deadbolt that was always locked (as per he & g/f) and stole his daughter.

Sheriff said there was no sign of breakin. FBI's Pat Brown said there's no evidence (of what Ron claims) paraphrase

to CNN & Fox news

I wonder if Ron and Misty will accuse anyone else like they did her cousin.

I wonder if LE has checked their phone records for any calls between them before he got home? Or an alternative explanation might be somebody tried to break in to the house before that night? :shrug: MOO

Peaches

02-21-2009, 08:40 PM

Doesn't Crystal have a child by another man?

yes she does and she dares say something about Ron having another child with another woman.............jealous?????

Also, she was 17 when 5 year old Haleigh was born...........much was made of her being 17 but they did not bother to say that Ron was also 5 years younger also.

What a way to be fair?????????????

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:42 PM

Don't forget the part where they both offer up alibis right off the bat...

"I just woke up"

"I was at work"

My blanket it's the van.......................WHAT VAN:scared::scared:

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 08:42 PM

I missed the interview. I was wondering why she didn't have custody as usually it is the mother that has custody.

I am not sure what to think of Crystal. I do think that her demeanor is very stoic. No expression on her face and no emotion in her voice at all.

I don't think she has anything to do with her daughter going missing but I did notice that she isn't as emotional as I would think a mother would be.

As for the accusation of the beating, IMO if Ron did beat his daughter and they had pictures to prove it, wouldn't DCFS have removed the kids from the home?

I'm just not sure what to think anymore.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time DCF had failed a child in Florida.

If this happened in late November, for all we know DCF was well on their way to removing the children. We will probably never know.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:43 PM

Yip Sun and that is why I lost your response to my wanting to know about M and R being see together.......Thanks for the answer.

Keep posting JustUs.......I read your post even if I cannot always respond.

You're welcome! I don't think most of us purposely ignore others just sometimes miss an answer when we're trying to catch up. :smile:

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 08:44 PM

Don't forget the part where they both offer up alibis right off the bat...

"I just woke up"

"I was at work"

It's always bothered me that Misty's first sentence to the 911 operator was "I just woke up."

It screamed "Alibi."

Not a good start for that girl. Not good at all.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 08:44 PM

Ron must like the number 17

He should go to Vegas!

:laugh:

StickyBeak

02-21-2009, 08:45 PM

Lack of character and morals, which led him to hobnob with unsavory characters who have no scruples and could care less about a little girls life, if its a revenge thing.

moo

Somehow I have this opinion a revenge thing as well.
Lack of character and morals, perhaps in our world. I tend to believe this is a different culture, live and let live so to speak. Don't mess with him, he takes care of his own, his way. There are different creeds among people who live in rural areas. The thing is this was never meant to involve his "blood", yah don't mess with blood. I just keep having this snarky, hinky feeling, Haleighs dissappearance is geared into a payback. In some cultures we have all heard how heard how the family has been threatened or kidnapped due to sins of the past.
Very possible the old payback. How sick could you be to take a small child, beyond my comprehension. Just ranting, JMO
Still praying for Haleigh to be alive and safely returned home.

VC2

02-21-2009, 08:45 PM

You really think he's drunk or on drugs, at this point, during this terrible time?

Maybe I didn't read your reply right?

I can't imagine getting drunk or stoned or high when my child was missing...

:sad:

i was being sarcastic, yes you read it wrong. I think GR is full of bs and his snide nasty comments about drunk or on dope right now is nothing more than his wish to make ron look bad, not based in reality

btw..i have no doubt there is a picture, i will bet that crystals mom took it too. What i do doubt (well more than doubt) is that it was haleigh "beaten to a pulp". Ron said it happened at school, well GR says thats ron's excuse. Anyone here really think that the mom or gramma took the photo and did nothing? Or that Ron was stupid enough to say it happened at school, accident or whatever without it being true? Since there is necessarily teachers, witnesses and other kids at school.

crystal's mom hates ron, that was clear from the start. No idea if crystal does, i suspect she does not but has to go along with the stuff or even tell her mom it to pacify her mom.

jmo

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 08:46 PM

I saw a photo of it. First thought was, someone used that chair to spy on females that lived in nearby trailers.

Where did you see a photo?
I read about it, would love to see it.
TIA!

sunstar

02-21-2009, 08:46 PM

You bet. I think that's why Crystal is putting the fear she has of Ron aside, and is starting to open up.

moo

There's usually two sides to every story, and she has a right to put hers out there. It may or may not lead to where Haleigh is, but at this point, it couldn't hurt since there don't seem to be any good leads. MOO

Rick777

02-21-2009, 08:46 PM

I have been suspicious of Ron, but he WAS at work according to all reports. How could he have done this? He got Haleigh off the bus and went to work.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 08:47 PM

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:48 PM

Where did you see a photo?
I read about it, would love to see it.
TIA!

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:50 PM

I have been suspicious of Ron, but he WAS at work according to all reports. How could he have done this? He got Haleigh off the bus and went to work.

Unless it happened before he went to work and she had help getting rid of the body they may all be working together who knows nothing would surprise me right now.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 08:51 PM

I have been suspicious of Ron, but he WAS at work according to all reports. How could he have done this? He got Haleigh off the bus and went to work.

LE has never confirmed that Haleigh was even at school that day.

C'mon Rick, you're listening to the same press conferences the rest of us are. Nothing in this case has been confirmed.

Are we sure Misty even exists?

:laugh:

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:51 PM

What blanket? Someone asked earlier and I don't know about it either ... anyone :confused:

Thanks!

Misty says her blanket was in the van. Haleigh had wet on hers and she had to wash it, she said she had put a sheet on Haleigh.

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 08:53 PM

Misty says her blanket was in the van. Haleigh had wet on hers and she had to wash it, she said she had put a sheet on Haleigh.

Maybe it's just me, but when Misty said "I covered her with a sheet", it gave me the shibbers.

:sad:

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 08:55 PM

Here ya go. Scroll down for the pic of chair.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
Thank you!

KatyDid

02-21-2009, 08:55 PM

I missed Geraldo tonight. Will try to catch the re-air. Thank you EVERYBODY who took notes and all the great comments. I'm caught up now. LOL~

VC2

02-21-2009, 08:56 PM

OMG :ohmy:

Perhaps this was talked about earlier, but I've just started on this board Wednesday. I went to the first link that was given (thanks!) for the home's layout and scrolling around that thread was a copy of some of the papers in the divorce of Ron and Crystal.
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

I'm not of a law background, so I don't know if this info is 'just' testimony and could be lies, as opposed to say a judges decision/findings. Could anyone dissect this for us?

These are some of the pieces of info about Ron that I found most disturbing - VERY disturbing:

*Crystal was a 'chronic victim of domestic violence and abuse with a history of Ron's intimidation and control to have her change her stories
*Ron was a drug dealer
*Ron threatened violence toward others (than Crystal)
*History of abusing OTHERS in his family (as well as Crystal)
*Has threatened to kill her and others due to his temper
*Reckless driving and wrecking his truck with the kids in it, high on coke
*Crystal finding Haleigh floating in the canal face down and needing revived, while Ron was supposed to be watching her (now, I did note that someone mentioned something about this earlier this evening, and, not knowing the story other than from this document,I'd be interested in hearing why the poster thought it was not correct)

Again, I'd love to know more about what is supposed to be 'sworn to be true,' what the judge agrees is correct and what is all 'propaganda.' Perhaps this is where Geraldo got the start on investigating Ron more deeply?

i mentioned it. Crystal herself said in the petion i read about it that she was at ron and his moms place, obviously the kids there too and it was as sahe was putting Junior into the car seat and going back to gather things up she asked Ron wehre haleigh was and then found her in the river. IOW they were both there, car is getting packed up, and a little ne wanders off in the back yard to the river. That does NOT equate to him losing her, not watching her any more than it would for any parent whose eyes were off their child for 2 minutes. Plus there was apparently no hospitalization, no medical or police report of this "revival". bunch of bs if you ask me.

imo

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:56 PM

Maybe it's just me, but when Misty said "I covered her with a sheet", it gave me the shibbers.

:sad:

Me too. I wonder why she didnt already have that blanket washed if she had wet on it. better yet why didnt the great dad see that it was washed.:shrug:

Peaches

02-21-2009, 08:58 PM

I think Geraldo's point is Ron seems to have a *thing* for 17 yr olds being that the three we know about are all or were 17. Nothing more, nothing less.

moo

When you are 19 why would you not want to date a 17 year old?
Nothing ususal about that.

Yes..................GR was making something out of nothing.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 08:58 PM

Did he have a lunch or meal break during his shift, his job location is only a 10 minute drive from the home.

JMO

I would think working 10 hr shifts he would have at lease to breaks and a hr lunch.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Swarovski
.Crystal, the ex, just stood alongside Geeraldo and verified there is another child with a woman named Amber.

I'm still wondering what this has to do with Haleigh's disappearance.
I think GR's point is the same facination that Ron has had with 17-year olds ... all 3 girlfriends/baby mamas/wives were just 17. That was my take.

Yes, but keep in mind that when Crystal was 17, Ronald was what, 19?, 20?

It is his relationship with minor teen aged girls now that bothers me.
That bothers me a lot!

VC2

02-21-2009, 08:58 PM

yes she does and she dares say something about Ron having another child with another woman.............jealous?????

Also, she was 17 when 5 year old Haleigh was born...........much was made of her being 17 but they did not bother to say that Ron was also 5 years younger also.

What a way to be fair?????????????

yep!! also, wonder what it says about a woman who names her NEW daughter the same as a child that her ex had with another woman. if ppl want to cast stones....

TunaMelt

02-21-2009, 09:00 PM

[QUOTE=wadahoot;12814289]

If the second babymama is 17 now with a one-year old wouldn't she be 15 when she became pregnant? When did he start with Misty? Isn't that agin the law? :ohmy:

It is where I live.

I think it's agin the law in Florida.

One way or another, nobody in that area seems to be paying too much attention to the law.

They'd all be a lot better off if they stayed in school rather than in each other's beds during their adolesent and teen years.

:ohmy:

Peaches

02-21-2009, 09:02 PM

Dang, you sound so ... so ... normal :tonguewag:

I'm not sure 'we' have come up with an answer for that either, Horse.

Very, VERY good thought!

I got from the blurb with GR, that it was hearsay from Chad (Crystal's fiance) and ? (Crystal's ?) that Ron had said it to those two at one of the vigils.

Me either! I've missed that somewhere along the way, too.

The LE did not want to search any more and told Tim to leave.

Ron begged them to stay!

crymeariver2006

02-21-2009, 09:05 PM

When you are 19 why would you not want to date a 17 year old?
Nothing ususal about that.

Yes..................GR was making something out of nothing.

Yes, if he was 19.

But he wasn't 19 when the one year old was born. He was either 22 or 23. The mother, IIRC, is now 17.

I think the whole point of the discussion of the other child is that child was being babysat for by none other than Misty, who told Ron that the child wasn't being cared for properly (in her opinion) and that he "needed to try and get him".

Misty is the "connection" there.

Personally I don't care if he populated half of Putnam County, is he or is he not a responsible father to ALL of his children?

Peaches

02-21-2009, 09:05 PM

I believe Crystal and her family is selling Ron down the river. So much for family unity

And to my knowledge, Ron has kept quiet about why Cystal this wonderful mother does not have her children............and everytime asked a question the answer is I do not know.

Also............why does she not live closer to her children. I know that I love my babies and would move right next door to any man that could take mine..............I would have to know that they are doing okay!

This woman Crystal is no mother that I would want to know!:cursing::cursing::cursing:

playnice

02-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Just got home from GD BD party. So what happened? Crystal air the family dirty laundry on Geraldo?

VC2

02-21-2009, 09:06 PM

If my child was beaten to a pulp at school, I reassure you it would be on National TV. Ron's aside is not believable, especially with we have been told and seen of his temper. And sure, maybe Cyrstal's mom did take the photo. I would have too. Ever think that just maybe this family was afraid of Ron, his temper, his weapons, his unsavory friends. Not to mention he does have a little pull in the Sheriff's dept. Around the time of Haleigh's disappearance there was a court date. Who knows what tht might have been about.

moo

moo

no i don't. Especially given that the grandma has shown no fear whatsoever of Ron, rather prefers to bash him from day one with her granddaughter missing. As far as that pull with the sheriffs dept yeah right. Thats why he had all those misdemeanor arrests. btw, pot smoking hardly means you have a lot of unsavory friends. My whole point about rons side is that it is PROVABLE. if it happened at school there were witnesses who saw her before and after. You don't have t o like the man to prove it was true..if he was lying i would expect something like she fell out of a tree at home

IMO

ConchGirl

02-21-2009, 09:07 PM

yep!! also, wonder what it says about a woman who names her NEW daughter the same as a child that her ex had with another woman. if ppl want to cast stones....

What? I'm not real up to date on this case. Can you clarify?

Peaches

02-21-2009, 09:08 PM

Jealous is the least emotion Crystal is feeling right about now. I would say using any tactic she can to find out what happened to her daughter after 12 days, even if it is to approach Geraldo.

Its time for Mitsy and Ron to stop playing their games.

moo

If Crystal was any kind of a mother, she would have her children.

On her myspace it has been reported that she called Haleigh and Jr-brats.................this is the kind of mother you are defending?

Also................I understand that Crystal has not taken a LD test.

I think she is a POS.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 09:11 PM

odyssey

02-21-2009, 09:11 PM

Yes I have been suspicious about Misty since day 1.

However I have wondered about that cement block and if by chance that the maybe intruder used it too stand on in order to peer into the windows. Especially the one in which Misty says she removed the blanket from. If he was hiding out in the woods then perhaps he could see before hand when the blanket was removed earlier and so he could tell who was sleeping where. Maybe he had been looking in those windows prior and being able see in better than ever, he could not resisted his perverted temptation no more.

I also wonder if there was an intruder if he was following the Caylee case and was getting his jollies there right up to the funeral and the timing was no coincidence?

Oh Oh Oh or what if there was a KEY to the back door hidden that the abductor knew about and he had to stand on the block to be able to easily reach it??
He could have been a friend of the owners or previous tenants or something ..

breeze53

02-21-2009, 09:12 PM

If Crystal was any kind of a mother, she would have her children.

On her myspace it has been reported that she called Haleigh and Jr-brats.................this is the kind of mother you are defending?

Also................I understand that Crystal has not taken a LD test.

I think she is a POS.

I think if you put all of them in a bag they would all fall out at the same time. This little girl deserved so much more then she got.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 09:12 PM

So is GR on tonight?

Peaches

02-21-2009, 09:12 PM

i was being sarcastic, yes you read it wrong. I think GR is full of bs and his snide nasty comments about drunk or on dope right now is nothing more than his wish to make ron look bad, not based in reality

btw..i have no doubt there is a picture, i will bet that crystals mom took it too. What i do doubt (well more than doubt) is that it was haleigh "beaten to a pulp". Ron said it happened at school, well GR says thats ron's excuse. Anyone here really think that the mom or gramma took the photo and did nothing? Or that Ron was stupid enough to say it happened at school, accident or whatever without it being true? Since there is necessarily teachers, witnesses and other kids at school.

crystal's mom hates ron, that was clear from the start. No idea if crystal does, i suspect she does not but has to go along with the stuff or even tell her mom it to pacify her mom.

jmo

I agree with you............can you believe it! I mean about everything!

I thought all along that Crystal had taken a picture of Haleigh when she was hurt at school and kept it for use at court or something. She is reaching!

My son, when he was 2, fell off the toilet with me right there with him and hit his head on the bathtub right at the top of his nose. He had 2 hugh black eyes. No one asked if I had beat him! Boy............kids do have accidents.

My 3 year old GD pushed her 4 year old brother and he had to have surgery on his nose. My 5 year old daughter fell over 1 step and the way she landed broke her arm at church....................as I say, accident happen.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 09:14 PM

Maybe it's just me, but when Misty said "I covered her with a sheet", it gave me the shibbers.

:sad:

It kind of struck me the same way, but I thought my reaction was from watching too much CSI. :sad:

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 09:15 PM

Lack of character and morals, which led him to hobnob with unsavory characters who have no scruples and could care less about a little girls life, if its a revenge thing.

moo

That's a huge stretch, IMO.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 09:15 PM

You're welcome! I don't think most of us purposely ignore others just sometimes miss an answer when we're trying to catch up. :smile:
I don't answer a question if I don't know the answer.
I also post questions all the time.
Sometimes someone will answer.
Many questions can seem rhetorical as well.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 09:18 PM

@ 10 Rick.....

Thanks dude

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 09:19 PM

If the second babymama is 17 now with a one-year old wouldn't she be 15 when she became pregnant? When did he start with Misty? Isn't that agin the law? :ohmy:
Misty turned 17 in Dec.
She was 16 when she moved in with him.
Yes, it is against the law in Florida.

KatyDid

02-21-2009, 09:19 PM

The one interview of Ron's that gives me pause is the one where he says that Hayleigh is NOT PROPERTY. It makes me think he is sending a message to somebody that if they took her for "Payment" or such that it is not the way to go. It seems to me like he is sending a message to some kinds of people that if they have her .. send her back right now...all will be forgot. I think he most likely had some drug issues, selling or buying and he's messed up with some shady folks and he's not sure that they haven't taken her for payback. He doesn't want to spill the beans on himself just yet .. he's hoping they'll drop her somewhere IF they are the ones. Most likely they are not, I dont think these kind of people extract payment that way. Or do they?

Still that RSO is just too convenient...all the other RSO and who knows who isn't registered?

This is bad.

I thought the same thing madge. I thought it was a very odd thing to say.

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 09:20 PM

If Crystal was any kind of a mother, she would have her children.

On her myspace it has been reported that she called Haleigh and Jr-brats.................this is the kind of mother you are defending?

Also................I understand that Crystal has not taken a LD test.

I think she is a POS.

:biggrin: I agree. Or let's say, between the two of them (Ron and Crystal), Crystal is DEFINITELY more of one. IMO.

CNTM

02-21-2009, 09:20 PM

That homemade chair in the woods looks like maybe some kind of punishment chair? Gives me cold chills. Just doesn't look normal.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 09:20 PM

Oh Oh Oh or what if there was a KEY to the back door hidden that the abductor knew about and he had to stand on the block to be able to easily reach it??
He could have been a friend of the owners or previous tenants or something ..
Didn't Ron say he'd changed one of the locks? I personally would've had them all changed if I were living in a rented home. MOO

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 09:21 PM

@ 10 Rick.....

9 CST....:biggrin:

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

That homemade chair in the woods looks like maybe some kind of punishment chair? Gives me cold chills. Just doesn't look normal.

oh lord....that would be so cruel!

Peaches

02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

Yes, if he was 19.

But he wasn't 19 when the one year old was born. He was either 22 or 23. The mother, IIRC, is now 17.

I think the whole point of the discussion of the other child is that child was being babysat for by none other than Misty, who told Ron that the child wasn't being cared for properly (in her opinion) and that he "needed to try and get him".

Misty is the "connection" there.

Personally I don't care if he populated half of Putnam County, is he or is he not a responsible father to ALL of his children?

And you know that he is not a responsible father to ALL his children, how?

Do you know that he does not see or support his other child?

If he does not see him, how did he meet Misty?

O/T - my husband was 13 years older than me and he was the most wonderful man in this world. We were married 36+ years before he died.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

I don't answer a question if I don't know the answer.
I also post questions all the time.
Sometimes someone will answer.
Many questions can seem rhetorical as well.

Especially in this case I know I have a lot more questions than answers too! :smile:

Mimi428

02-21-2009, 09:25 PM

It's always bothered me that Misty's first sentence to the 911 operator was "I just woke up."

It screamed "Alibi."

Not a good start for that girl. Not good at all.

Both Ron & Misty seemed interested in directing others away from themselves from the get-go, IMO.

Don't look a me, I was asleep.

Don't look at me, it was my dumb effin b#tch GF.

Must have used a crowbar to open the door. Must have had locksmith's tools.

JMO

forensicfan

02-21-2009, 09:26 PM

Well, it wouldn't be the first time DCF had failed a child in Florida.

If this happened in late November, for all we know DCF was well on their way to removing the children. We will probably never know.

You are right about DCFS but I am still curious about these pictures. Who took them and who called DCFS? I'm just thinking that if my husband and I were divorced and he had custody and was beating my kids and I had visual proof of it, I would be paying him a visit with a baseball bat, not calling DCFS. If I was afraid of him, I'd make sure I had some way of calling 911 when I arrived to get my kids. I just can't fathom waiting on DCFS to step in almost 3 months later.

I also remember seeing an interview with a calm and stoic Crystal where both she and her mother claimed that Misty is very responsible and they seemed to be in support of her. Nothing was mentioned about custody or beatings in the interview that I saw and nothing was mentioned about any suspicions of Ron by either of them.

My husband's former friend (he became FORMER the day this happened) beat up his then 15 year old son and the boy was removed by the police that night and remanded to his mother's custody. I know because we were there and I called the police. She got an emergency restraining order and took custody of both boys. So if Ron beat up Hailey and they have pictures to prove it, I'm not sure something wouldn't have been done sooner.

I'm not railing behind Ron either. I also think there is more than is being said in this case. A lot more. I do think he has a bad temper and it would not surprise me if the above is true. I just want to go on facts confirmed by LE.

I did not hear a lot of the information that is being reported here. Whatever is confirmed by LE, I will take as fact. The rest is speculation.

I can't stand Geraldo and refuse to watch him. This is the same guy who sided with Casey when the evidence showed otherwise so the information he has to report means nothing to me. Same for Nancy Grace who I watch almost every day. Anything that is not backed up by LE is speculation on her show too.

I'm not ready to convict Ron of child abuse nor Misty or Crystal for that matter of abuse or neglect unless backed up by LE.

Here is a link to the 911 call.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ronald-cumming-phone-call-to-911-original-transcript/

When asked if it looks like the door was broken into, the answer is no. Whether or not that changed later, I do not know but I do know that when first asked, they did not say anything about a crow bar.

Also, at 3 something in the morning, the door is open and the child is gone and is afraid of the dark, it's not that odd to me for Ron to assume a crime has taken place.

I guess what I am trying to say is that for the moment, I believe Hailey was indeed kidnapped.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 09:27 PM

Been gone all day but just the last two pages I've read tells me GR went after the victim in this case for ratings.

I just want to be the first to say I'm willing to start a fund to bail Ron out so he can knock GR into next week.

This tabloid crud does nothing to find Haleigh, in fact I think it hurts the effort because just as we see on here there will be people that believe this and who will decide they aren't worth of help.

Was anything more said about Jr seeing someone in black take Haleigh?

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 09:28 PM

The LE did not want to search any more and told Tim to leave.

Ron begged them to stay!

Tim Miller said that Haleigh is not there.
I would love to know what Tim Miller knows.

odyssey

02-21-2009, 09:28 PM

Didn't Ron say he'd changed one of the locks? I personally would've had them all changed if I were living in a rented home. MOO

I'm not sure if he change it or not. I know only that the previous tenant also commented on how difficult the door was to close.

It would be just awful if this were another case like the one where the teenager was abducted and it turned out she was in an underground bunker in the woods that was virtually invisible from the outside.

moo

Rick777

02-21-2009, 09:29 PM

Crystal has not taken a LD test??? How irresponsible is that???

catdoc

02-21-2009, 09:30 PM

yep!! also, wonder what it says about a woman who names her NEW daughter the same as a child that her ex had with another woman. if ppl want to cast stones....Especially since this baby, according to Misty who babysat for her, is a boy. A boy named Chloe????

What Geraldo is doing is so wrong. If there is any justice he should have to pay for kicking this man when he's down.

breeze53

02-21-2009, 09:31 PM

Tim Miller said that Haleigh is not there.
I would love to know what Tim Miller knows.

Please dont take this wrong i love tim miller but he also said Caylee wasnt there and she was.

bluwaters

02-21-2009, 09:33 PM

Actually Geraldo would of got a much better interview had he resisted temptation and not gone on the TV last night with his accusations. He could of still trashed Ron tonight but would of probably had more to offer. You cannot go backwards after something like that.

One thing for sure Geraldo will have a definite axe to grind now.
Yes, but so will the town of Satsuma.
Crystal Sheffield may get run out too.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 09:35 PM

Please dont take this wrong i love tim miller but he also said Caylee wasnt there and she was.

technically I think Tim said he would come back when the water receded.

forensicfan

02-21-2009, 09:35 PM

no i don't. Especially given that the grandma has shown no fear whatsoever of Ron, rather prefers to bash him from day one with her granddaughter missing. As far as that pull with the sheriffs dept yeah right. Thats why he had all those misdemeanor arrests. btw, pot smoking hardly means you have a lot of unsavory friends. My whole point about rons side is that it is PROVABLE. if it happened at school there were witnesses who saw her before and after. You don't have t o like the man to prove it was true..if he was lying i would expect something like she fell out of a tree at home

IMO

Agreed. Schools are required by law to report suspicion of abuse to DCFS. I doubt the school would be so afraid of Ron that they decided to call grandma instead.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 09:35 PM

Both Ron & Misty seemed interested in directing others away from themselves from the get-go, IMO.

Don't look a me, I was asleep.

Don't look at me, it was my dumb effin b#tch GF.

Must have used a crowbar to open the door. Must have had locksmith's tools.

JMO

Your so right it has all been about shifting the focus off of themselves, that is why they volunteered to take LDT and never asked for an attorney.

On the other hand last we heard from Crystal's mother is that Crystal had not taken a LDT, (just filled out the paper work)

VC2

02-21-2009, 09:35 PM

:biggrin: I agree. Or let's say, between the two of them (Ron and Crystal), Crystal is DEFINITELY more of one. IMO.

ITA and she clearly has more interest in trashing Ron than finding her daughter -if and i mean IF any of her accusations are true then share them with LE. There is zero reason to try and take the focus off Haleigh as she is doing with the public.
imo

playnice

02-21-2009, 09:36 PM

What I find interesting is that we are or torn on our opinions about who or what is responsible for whatever has happened to Hayleigh which seems to be the norm with most cases. With Caylees case, it was obvious to almost everyone who the perp was. Really wasnt much to question about.

cloe23

02-21-2009, 09:37 PM

I hope that Ron sues him for slander.

So do I! There needs to be more ppl that take action against the media. What a world we live in, no attornies have stepped up to the plate to defende this guy 'pro-bono'.

sunstar

02-21-2009, 09:37 PM

Both Ron & Misty seemed interested in directing others away from themselves from the get-go, IMO.

Don't look a me, I was asleep.

Don't look at me, it was my dumb effin b#tch GF.

Must have used a crowbar to open the door. Must have had locksmith's tools.

JMO

And he even told the 911 operator he was going to kill whoever did this. I think if I'd just gotten home from work at 3:30am and found out my child was missing, the first person I'd "want to kill" would be the person responsible for taking care of the child. There wasn't anything to show the house had even been broken into so how did he immediately know it was an abductor? :confused:

VC2

02-21-2009, 09:38 PM

playnice

02-21-2009, 09:38 PM

ITA and she clearly has more interest in trashing Ron than finding her daughter -if and i mean IF any of her accusations are true then share them with LE. There is zero reason to try and take the focus off Haleigh as she is doing with the public.
imo

There was no love lost between Mark L and his ex but I dont remember them bringing all their personal feelings and dirty laundry into the public.
Unless Crystal thinks Ron killed Hayleigh this stuff doesnt need to be out there. so it that what she is saying?

breeze53

02-21-2009, 09:39 PM

technically I think Tim said he would come back when the water receded.

Oh I love and respect Tim and all his people Yes he did say that and he did come back. I think the A's treated him very bad,very bad. In no way am I putting him down i should have worded it better as in Tim didnt think Caylee was there either but she was:biggrin:

VC2

02-21-2009, 09:39 PM

Yes, but so will the town of Satsuma.
Crystal Sheffield may get run out too.

i am so disgusted with her right now i hope she is. Never did i think i would see someone so selfish that they prefer to air past relationship differences with the media than focus on finding their missing daughter.

imo