Michelle Fisher Young case 2/21 thru 2/25

[Stellagant]

That is the reality of discussing an unsolved murder case, it can take you anywhere!!

I find the 911 call fascinating in the fact, it deals with so many things that were not important to the 911 operator, but sure were to the caller.!!

Kat

Yes, it is as fascinating as the 911 call in the Anthony case. I wonder if LE listened to Meredith's call right away or if all these oddities were first pointed out by friends and family and then they listened to it?

[Kat4Eagles]

fyi: Meredith Fisher wasn't the child's parent.


Exactly, and who brings children into the conversation on a Message Board about a murder.?

I have tried for over 2 years not to even use CY's name.

She should be protected as much as possible from all the rumors involving her Mom's death , at least for now.

She is only 4 years old, soon to be 5 , but she is still too young.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thats your opinion. I personally see none of the things that you continually state as "fact" about the 911 call. How do you know what was important to M.F.? Its just my opinion, but it seems that the important FACTS in this case are over-looked on this thread in order to somehow implicate M.F. in M.Y.'s murder. Its not going to happen.

JMO


Do you know as "fact" there were visitors in Brevard?
I personally haven't seen them either.
:shrug:
Kat

[5swab5]

Yes, it is as fascinating as the 911 call in the Anthony case. I wonder if LE listened to Meredith's call right away or if all these oddities were first pointed out by friends and family and then they listened to it?

Man, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is nothing odd about Meredith's call, but it is obvious it is ALL the JI²s have.

Riddle me this.

IF Meredith had anything to do with the crime, how did she just so happen to get Jason to call her to go to the house? Because if he didn't call her...he would be screaming his head off instead of handing over his only daughter, and this whole case would be on a different tack. There isn't anyone on this planet stupid enough to go back to that house if they had anything to do with the crime...just because their BIL called them on a "fluke". MOO

[5swab5]

Exactly, and who brings children into the conversation on a Message Board about a murder.?

I have tried for over 2 years not to even use CY's name.

She should be protected as much as possible from all the rumors involving her Mom's death , at least for now.

She is only 4 years old, soon to be 5 , but she is still too young.

Kat

Cassidy is the only daughter of a brutally murdered pregnant woman, whose husband is the PRIMARY suspect. Cassidy is the subject of a Custody agreement, in which Jason "slayer" Young ceded PRIMARY custody in order to avoid a psych exam and a deposition, thereby maintaining his silence.

Cassidy's name is in the public domain as a victim of this crime and by default, her father's pawn. MOO

[5swab5]

I apologize. I should have stated "a person familiar with caring for a toddler" which M.F. was since she cared for the little girl.

Don't let it bother you, everyone else knew exactly what you meant. It was bait, plain and simple. You might have to rethink your way of expressing yourself. Can't use enough 3,4,5 letter words. I admit, it helps to have a toddler to run the post past first.:biggrin:

[Kat4Eagles]

Man, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is nothing odd about Meredith's call, but it is obvious it is ALL the JI²s have.
<snipped>



No one is trying to deflect the case off Jason or onto Michelle's only sister.
Mostly veryone knows where the case seems to be going, what direction it is headed in, etc.
But, that doesn't mean we can't discuss other things, and no one if forcing anyone into a conversation that they don't want to be in.
Why make things more difficult here than they have to be?
It is hard enough keeping interest in a case that is, by rights, no longer a current crime.

:thumbsup: to the poster who called us on this yesterday!!

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

FYI, I was just told we aren't allowed to talk about the little girl here, (see post upthread). I have to agree with your post though. I don't think Jason would have agreed to what he did if he suspected M.F. I bet he now wishes he called anyone to retrieve the fax or printout or whatever, besides M.F.

Can she not be referred to at all or is it just the use of her name? It she cannot be referred to at all, then all discussion about the custody situation, any past visits, and part of the 911 tape are no longer within the realm of what can be discussed. Correct?

[5swab5]

No one is trying to deflect the case off Jason or onto Michelle's only sister.
Mostly veryone knows where the case seems to be going, what direction it is headed in, etc.
But, that doesn't mean we can't discuss other things, and no one if forcing anyone into a conversation that they don't want to be in.
Why make things more difficult here than they have to be?
It is hard enough keeping interest in a case that is, by rights, no longer a current crime.

:thumbsup: to the poster who called us on this yesterday!!

Kat

Good Grief...Just because some busybody posted and ran yesterday.

Kat, where would you have us talk about this case? The MY board is locked.

The ink isn't dry on the Child Custody Order, and like it or not...believe it or not, there were investigators in Brevard very recently. This case hardly belongs in "open court", "cold cases", "trials on TV"...so where are we supposed to go? MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Don't let it bother you, everyone else knew exactly what you meant. It was bait, plain and simple. You might have to rethink your way of expressing yourself. Can't use enough 3,4,5 letter words. I admit, it helps to have a toddler to run the post past first.:biggrin:

Wow, Swabby, if I didn't know better, I would be insulted..:lol:

Why didn't Jason just call her or someone else and tell them he hadn't heard from Michelle and was worried about her?

Why the stupid story about a fax, printout, whatever?
How does that fit into a pre~med plan, sounds desperate to me!!

Also, it is a good thing Michelle didn't apparently call Jason after midnite @ the hotel and ask someone to go to his room, if he had his phone off, as rumored?

Can you imagine if Jason wasn't found at the hotel when he was supposed to be sleeping?

He took some pretty big chances, huh?
And, after almost 12 hours on the roads too.

And, how about CY ?
Someone put her to bed, do you think she got up after they left, went to the bathroom, and took her bloody socks off all by herself?
Maybe read herself a story, turned on the Lion King, had some jelly beans and waited to be rescued?
That makes no sense.

Kat

[5swab5]

FYI, I was just told we aren't allowed to talk about the little girl here, (see post upthread). I have to agree with your post though. I don't think Jason would have agreed to what he did if he suspected M.F. I bet he now wishes he called anyone to retrieve the fax or printout or whatever, besides M.F.


That is not true. We had this discussion, WAY back when. Cassidy's name IS in the public domain.

As much as Kat hates it, she was overruled by CW. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Can she not be referred to at all or is it just the use of her name? It she cannot be referred to at all, then all discussion about the custody situation, any past visits, and part of the 911 tape are no longer within the realm of what can be discussed. Correct?

I never saw any posts saying we can't talk about CY......
I am not sure what you are getting at.
:confused:
Kat

[5swab5]

Wow, Swabby, if I didn't know better, I would be insulted..:lol:

Why didn't Jason just call her or someone else and tell them he hadn't heard from Michelle and was worried about her?

Why the stupid story about a fax, printout, whatever?
How does that fit into a pre~med plan, sounds desperate to me!!

Also, it is a good thing Michelle didn't apparently call Jason after midnite @ the hotel and ask someone to go to his room, if he had his phone off, as rumored?
(snipped)

Kat


I have no idea what Jason was thinking. But, I suspect that he was counting on people being asleep while he was doing the deed. It was rumored in the beginning that he called a LOT of his friends that afternoon/evening, maybe to keep them from calling him? MOO

[Jules2]

No one is trying to deflect the case off Jason or onto Michelle's only sister.
Mostly veryone knows where the case seems to be going, what direction it is headed in, etc.
But, that doesn't mean we can't discuss other things, and no one if forcing anyone into a conversation that they don't want to be in.
Why make things more difficult here than they have to be?
It is hard enough keeping interest in a case that is, by rights, no longer a current crime.

:thumbsup: to the poster who called us on this yesterday!!

Kat


With all due respect, there ARE posters here who are trying to deflect the case off of Jason and on to Michelle's only sister, and from the posts I have read, you seem to always agree with those posters and not those who believe Jason is guilty.

And as far as this crime being current..........there has been recent news reported in this case within the last few weeks and even months. Therefor it is current, on going and well worth the attention AND discussion by posters who don't consider it to be a cold case. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

It would be this post.


:no:

You were asking me about my children, that is the part that is off limits.

CY is a part of this case.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I would venture to say that she would not want her sister talked about so disrespectfully either. Perhaps you can respect Michelle by speaking about known things regarding the case and not disparaging her sister any more. I think Michelle would like that. :smile: IMO


CY is a minor, she can not defend herself.
Anyone and everyone else involved in this case is an adult.
Hope this helps.
I also think Michelle would want to wait before calling Jason .her husband, a murderer before he was arrested too.
But, what the hey, its too late now!!
I mean, Brevard has visitors!!
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I stand corrected.

And, that is what I like about you and others that can be fair.

:)
Kat

[Barbara2]

CY is a minor, she can not defend herself.
Anyone and everyone else involved in this case is an adult.
Hope this helps.
I also think Michelle would want to wait before calling Jason .her husband, a murderer before he was arrested too.
:)
Kat

If he murdered her, she already knows and doesn't have to wait for anything. Just because the murderer hasn't been arrested doesn't mean the person is innocent. That person killed Michelle and her baby and is just as guilty at this moment as they will be when the conviction is read. IMO

[Jules2]

CY is a minor, she can not defend herself.
Anyone and everyone else involved in this case is an adult.
Hope this helps.
I also think Michelle would want to wait before calling Jason .her husband, a murderer before he was arrested too.
:)
Kat


Stop and think about your last comment for a moment.........


What if Jason did murder Michelle?

Don't you think Michelle would want everyone on the entire planet to call him a murderer?

I would think so, but to each his/her own.


IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I did not specifically ask about your children. I asked if you had children and tried to explain that there are ways to gently ask a toddler questions to get an answer. I don't know why you are insisting that I did anything other than that. I am well aware that you cannot ask "personal" questions about a poster, so IMO, you are trying to twist my post for some strange reason that I don't understand.


And, once again, someone's children are not up or open for discussion unless they are related to the case.

Why would someone ask a 2 1/2 year old what happened instead of shielding and protecting them from the very sight you don't want them to see?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Stop and think about your last comment for a moment.........


What if Jason did murder Michelle?

Don't you think Michelle would want everyone on the entire planet to call him a murderer?

I would think so, but to each his/her own.


IMO

You are right.
I don't think anyone of us should speak for Michelle, including me.
Sorry.!!
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And, once again, someone's children were not up or open for discussion. It was a rhetorical question. Please stop trying to make it into something it wasn't. The little girl had already spent hours with her mother lying there. I would imagine M.F. was in total shock and not thinking clearly at all.


And, I would imagine the 911 call could have been made differently, perhaps after even making sure that she and CY were safe.

Gosh, that's a scary thought, imagining the killer might still be in there and couldn't leave any witnesses behind. Huh?

Wow.

Kat

[Stellagant]

No one is trying to deflect the case off Jason or onto Michelle's only sister.
Mostly veryone knows where the case seems to be going, what direction it is headed in, etc.
But, that doesn't mean we can't discuss other things, and no one if forcing anyone into a conversation that they don't want to be in.
Why make things more difficult here than they have to be?
It is hard enough keeping interest in a case that is, by rights, no longer a current crime.

:thumbsup: to the poster who called us on this yesterday!!

Kat

where the case "seems" to be going and where it is actually headed may not be in the same direction.

The same posters who are proclaiming there is nothing odd about the 911 call are the same posters who continue to insist Meredith is not a suspect even though there was a sealed warrant that referenced her conflicting statements to LE.

[5swab5]

CY is a minor, she can not defend herself.
Anyone and everyone else involved in this case is an adult.
Hope this helps.
I also think Michelle would want to wait before calling Jason .her husband, a murderer before he was arrested too.
But, what the hey, its too late now!!
I mean, Brevard has visitors!!
:)
Kat

I can't really pretend to speak for Michelle, but she might accept the civil court's title of slayer as reason enough for Jason to be fair game.

She might also think that ceding PRIMARY custody of Cassidy in order to avoid talking was a valid reason for raised eyebrows. MOO

[5swab5]

where the case "seems" to be going and where it is actually headed may not be in the same direction.

The same posters who are proclaiming there is nothing odd about the 911 call are the same posters who continue to insist Meredith is not a suspect even though there was a sealed warrant that referenced her conflicting statements to LE.

What a stretch, you mean the warrant for Michelle's car...in Jason's possession? Okey Dokey.

What about the other 17 search warrants that do NOT mention anything that can even be remotely tied to Meredith, just the "slayer" Jason Lynn Young?

Guess we should just ignore them. *Sigh*

MOO

[Jules2]

What a stretch, you mean the warrant for Michelle's car...in Jason's possession? Okey Dokey.

What about the other 17 search warrants that do NOT mention anything that can even be remotely tied to Meredith, just the "slayer" Jason Lynn Young?

Guess we should just ignore them. *Sigh*

MOO


Wow, I didn't realize that there were that many search warrants, Swabby!

I guess for those who are in to numbers, the count would be seventeen -zip.

[5swab5]

Wow, I didn't realize that there were that many search warrants, Swabby!

I guess for those who are in to numbers, the count would be seventeen -zip.

Here they are, all in one place.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/

[Stellagant]

What a stretch, you mean the warrant for Michelle's car...in Jason's possession? Okey Dokey.

What about the other 17 search warrants that do NOT mention anything that can even be remotely tied to Meredith, just the "slayer" Jason Lynn Young?

Guess we should just ignore them. *Sigh*

MOO

No, I mean the search warrant for Michelle's car that listed Meredith's conflicting statements about the keys and where she found Cassidy along with the investigator's belief the car was used to remove the child from the scene. That's the search warrant I'm referring to.

How many of the 17 other search warrants list as probable cause the conflicting statements made to LE by Jason Young? ZERO

[Jester]

Can she not be referred to at all or is it just the use of her name? It she cannot be referred to at all, then all discussion about the custody situation, any past visits, and part of the 911 tape are no longer within the realm of what can be discussed. Correct?

There is no restriction on discussing Cassidy. She was present at the murder scene, her voice is on the 911 call, and she is central to current legal decisions related to the murder. It is impossible to discuss this case without mentioning all the people relevant to the murder. Furthermore, she is mentioned in court documents, and media articles.

[Leanne Weich]

A crime that happened in Nov. 06, is not a current crime.
Kat

Sorry Kat, but I disagree with you. It is current in that it is still being investigated and even though the WDS and custody action may not directly impact on the investigation per se, it is still relevant to the murder of Michelle thus, imo, rendering it very current. As long as SWs are being issued and released, this will remain current, irrespective of how many years lapse. Just like your pet peeve of the use of the word "imminent" is still relevant because irrespective of how long it takes to resolve this case, when someone is about to be arrested, it will still be imminent.

[Jester]

I did not specifically ask about your children. I asked if you had children and tried to explain that there are ways to gently ask a toddler questions to get an answer. I don't know why you are insisting that I did anything other than that. I am well aware that you cannot ask "personal" questions about a poster, so IMO, you are trying to twist my post for some strange reason that I don't understand.

The phrase "rhetorical question" comes to mind.

[Jester]

And, once again, someone's children are not up or open for discussion unless they are related to the case.

Why would someone ask a 2 1/2 year old what happened instead of shielding and protecting them from the very sight you don't want them to see?

Kat

Obviously it was an extremely traumatic situation for a young child. Cassidy was talking about getting bandaids for Michelle, so clearly she didn't understand the situation. Clearly there was no reason to teach Cassidy about death with her mother lying murdered on the floor. Obviously it was best to ask as neutral a question as possible so as to acknowledge Cassidy's concern without alarming her.

[5swab5]

No, I mean the search warrant for Michelle's car that listed Meredith's conflicting statements about the keys and where she found Cassidy along with the investigator's belief the car was used to remove the child from the scene. That's the search warrant I'm referring to.

How many of the 17 other search warrants list as probable cause the conflicting statements made to LE by Jason Young? ZERO

UMM, that would be the SW for Michelle Young's SUV.

WHAT STATEMENTS? He's got nothing to say. His wife and son were brutally murdered and he can't be bothered to make a single statement!

MOO

[Jester]

No, I mean the search warrant for Michelle's car that listed Meredith's conflicting statements about the keys and where she found Cassidy along with the investigator's belief the car was used to remove the child from the scene. That's the search warrant I'm referring to.

How many of the 17 other search warrants list as probable cause the conflicting statements made to LE by Jason Young? ZERO

Wouldn't he have to open his mouth to make a conflicting statement? Cooperation, or lack thereof, is the word that comes to mind. Jason refused to cooperate with the police at any stage of the investigation, reportedly having hung up on the police in his first conversation with LE after the murder. Jason did not make any true statements, any false statements, or any statements at all. Therefore, it is impossible for him to make conflicting statements.

[Leanne Weich]

I think you are overreacting to a simple statement. I was trying to explain to you that when you have or are around toddlers there are ways to get answers by delicately asking questions. I really have no idea what the rest of your post is referring to. You just told me we are allowed to discuss anything we want about the case, is that true or not? There are numerous posts by you talking about the little girl, how she looks like her daddy, etc., so I seriously don't understand what your post means at all.

Just like certain posters are adamant that MF is fair game to be discussed so, imo, is Cassidy inasmuch as she is, unfortunately, the daughter of the murder victim and the slayer. Whether she is 4, 5 or 25 makes no difference. She would be at as much risk if she witnessed the murder and, probably, even more risk were she older.

Some people are so concerned about how Cassidy will feel when she sees what people have said about her father over the past 27+ months yet fail to see that what has been said about her aunt who is not, nor ever has been publically, a suspect let alone the declared slayer, will hurt just as much - if not more, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Wow, Swabby, if I didn't know better, I would be insulted..:lol:

Why didn't Jason just call her or someone else and tell them he hadn't heard from Michelle and was worried about her?

Why the stupid story about a fax, printout, whatever?
How does that fit into a pre~med plan, sounds desperate to me!!

Also, it is a good thing Michelle didn't apparently call Jason after midnite @ the hotel and ask someone to go to his room, if he had his phone off, as rumored?

Can you imagine if Jason wasn't found at the hotel when he was supposed to be sleeping?

He took some pretty big chances, huh?
And, after almost 12 hours on the roads too.

And, how about CY ?
Someone put her to bed, do you think she got up after they left, went to the bathroom, and took her bloody socks off all by herself?
Maybe read herself a story, turned on the Lion King, had some jelly beans and waited to be rescued?
That makes no sense.

Kat

Link to bloody socks being taken off and left in the bathroom please. I seriously have never seen confirmation of this.

[awareness]

No, I mean the search warrant for Michelle's car that listed Meredith's conflicting statements about the keys and where she found Cassidy along with the investigator's belief the car was used to remove the child from the scene. That's the search warrant I'm referring to.

How many of the 17 other search warrants list as probable cause the conflicting statements made to LE by Jason Young? ZERO

:lol: we know darn well Jason hasnt made ANY statement to LE except to say he's not talking. So yes you are correct, Jason has made no conflicting statements because he's only said one thing, that he's not talking! Hilarious how you twisted that to seem like Jason had given multiple statements, been cooperative with LE and spoken to them about his murdered wife and unborn son.

JMO

[5swab5]

:lol: we know darn well Jason hasnt made ANY statement to LE except to say he's not talking. So yes you are correct, Jason has made no conflicting statements because he's only said one thing, that he's not talking! Hilarious how you twisted that to seem like Jason had given multiple statements, been cooperative with LE and spoken to them about his murdered wife and unborn son.

JMO

Yep, It looks like the only one that we can infer has made conflicting statements is Pat Young. Why else would LE issue SWs to search Jason's property for things that she reported missing? (Rings, bracelet and pearl necklace.) MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

There is no restriction on discussing Cassidy. She was present at the murder scene, her voice is on the 911 call, and she is central to current legal decisions related to the murder. It is impossible to discuss this case without mentioning all the people relevant to the murder. Furthermore, she is mentioned in court documents, and media articles.

Then we can agree to discuss MF at any time too!
Cool.
:)
Kat

[awareness]

Link to bloody socks being taken off and left in the bathroom please. I seriously have never seen confirmation of this.

Id be curious to see a link too, providing Kat can provide one to back up her claim. Perhaps that did happen, I took a break from the internet last year and perhaps I missed a news report.

JMO/IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

OT/
This one only took 24 years. :rolleyes:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4604002/

[Kat4Eagles]

Link to bloody socks being taken off and left in the bathroom please. I seriously have never seen confirmation of this.

It was posted here and for days that was the topic of discussion.
I could trade you for a link to the recent visitors in Brevard..though.
I doubt that will happen, so you can doubt all you want the bloody socks of CY that were left behind in the bathroom too.
:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Id be curious to see a link too, providing Kat can provide one to back up her claim. Perhaps that did happen, I took a break from the internet last year and perhaps I missed a news report.

JMO/IMO

Not my claim, :no: it belonged to another poster.

Is there a news report on the latest rumors going around too?
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Jester]

Then we can agree to discuss MF at any time too!
Cool.
:)
Kat

Meredith is not 2, 3, or 4 years old and I don't think anyone has suggested that she should be protected, or not discussed, because of her age.

Unlike Cassidy, Meredith was not at the scene at the time of the murder, she was an innocent bystander sent to the murder scene on a pointless errand by Jason the Slayer. What exactly would you want to say about a person in that position? If the neighbor or a co-worker had been sent on that same pointless errand, what would you have to say about that person?

[Jester]

It was posted here and for days that was the topic of discussion.
I could trade you for a link to the recent visitors in Brevard..though.
I doubt that will happen, so you can doubt all you want the bloody socks of CY that were left behind in the bathroom too.
:shrug:
Kat

The neighbor stated that bloody socks were left in the bathroom. A few people on this forum liked the idea and proceeded to make extremely bizarre statements, including suggesting that whatever innocent bystander Jason the Slayer asked to go to the house would dip socks in blood.

[5swab5]

Meredith is not 2, 3, or 4 years old and I don't think anyone has suggested that she should be protected, or not discussed, because of her age.

Unlike Cassidy, Meredith was not at the scene at the time of the murder, she was an innocent bystander sent to the murder scene on a pointless errand by Jason the Slayer. What exactly would you want to say about a person in that position? If the neighbor or a co-worker had been sent on that same pointless errand, what would you have to say about that person?

No Kidding.

I wonder what Plan B was, if Meredith wasn't around? I bet that couple that was on their way from Charlotte for the big Homecoming game, thanks their lucky stars that they didn't get stuck with discovering the slayer's handiwork. MOO

[5swab5]

The neighbor stated that bloody socks were left in the bathroom. A few people on this forum liked the idea and proceeded to make extremely bizarre statements, including suggesting that whatever innocent bystander Jason the Slayer asked to go to the house would dip socks in blood.

Yep, that was one of the more ridiculous ideas posted. It was somewhere between our 3 day lecture on raking leaves and nanny-nanny-boo-boo, my dog's bladder is bigger than your dog's bladder. MOO

[Stellagant]

The neighbor stated that bloody socks were left in the bathroom. A few people on this forum liked the idea and proceeded to make extremely bizarre statements, including suggesting that whatever innocent bystander Jason the Slayer asked to go to the house would dip socks in blood.

iirc, those posts were made months before a search warrant revealed LE did go back into the home to photograph the very same tiles those very same footprints were made upon. Not very bizarre at all if you'd bother to put it in context.

[Stellagant]

It was posted here and for days that was the topic of discussion.
I could trade you for a link to the recent visitors in Brevard..though.
I doubt that will happen, so you can doubt all you want the bloody socks of CY that were left behind in the bathroom too.
:shrug:
Kat

yes it was discussed for days. The poster wondered why LE didn't seize the socks. Very good question, considering a year later LE decided those footprints were significant enough to get a search warrant in order to go back into the home and measure.

Also very significant because Meredith claimed she found CY in the bed with no sign of blood on her.

[Stellagant]

OT/
This one only took 24 years. :rolleyes:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4604002/

yes! Perp none other than the victim's sibling. Imagine that!

[awareness]

Not my claim, :no: it belonged to another poster.

Is there a news report on the latest rumors going around too?
:rolleyes:

Kat

Funny that you acknowledged your post in your reply to Leanne (quoted below), but then say it wasnt you in your reply to me (quoted above).


It was posted here and for days that was the topic of discussion.
I could trade you for a link to the recent visitors in Brevard..though.
I doubt that will happen, so you can doubt all you want the bloody socks of CY that were left behind in the bathroom too.
:shrug:
Kat

We all know that unless its backed up with a reliable source, like a news report or court/other official document, its not always "fact".

I dont know anything about the latest rumors, nor have posted about them - perhaps you should direct your question to someone who did.

JMO

[awareness]

yes! Perp none other than the victim's sibling. Imagine that!

Pretty remarkable, but JMO that Jason will eventually be convicted for Michelle & Rylans murder.

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

How many of the 17 other search warrants list as probable cause the conflicting statements made to LE by Jason Young? ZERO

ROTFL That's a pretty safe statement!

But that isn't to say that among the 17 SWs Jason didn't make conflicting statements. He told the former camper he never got married.

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

I dont know anything about the latest rumors, nor have posted about them - perhaps you should direct your question to someone who did.

JMO

I don't know anything about the latest rumors either, awareness. But I don't think the rumors were spun out of thin air. LE has made it very clear they're still investigating this case - which makes it current :D - so it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn they had visited Brevard lately.


ETA: IF that's true, I would be fascinated to know who they were interviewing and why.

[Leanne Weich]

It was posted here and for days that was the topic of discussion.
I could trade you for a link to the recent visitors in Brevard..though.
I doubt that will happen, so you can doubt all you want the bloody socks of CY that were left behind in the bathroom too.
:shrug:
Kat

I don't recall posting about the visitors in Brevard - have been without internet for about a week, due to moving. No need to have an attitude because I asked for a link - didn't know it was a case of you believing gossip on the message board. I, however, do not believe the poster who originally posted about Cassidy's bloody socks being found in the bathroom and I genuinely wondered if it had been substantiated.

[Cardinal]

I don't recall posting about the visitors in Brevard - have been without internet for about a week, due to moving. No need to have an attitude because I asked for a link - didn't know it was a case of you believing gossip on the message board. I, however, do not believe the poster who originally posted about Cassidy's bloody socks being found in the bathroom and I genuinely wondered if it had been substantiated.

Hi, Leanne. Good to see you!

I would think if bloody socks had been found in the bathroom, that would have been included in the PC for at least one of the SWs.

[Stellagant]

ROTFL That's a pretty safe statement!

But that isn't to say that among the 17 SWs Jason didn't make conflicting statements. He told the former camper he never got married.

Conflicting statements made to LE are far more damaging testimony at trial than an old email that was only partially reproduced in a search warrant.

Somehow, I don't believe Jason is too worried about it.

[Stellagant]

I don't know anything about the latest rumors either, awareness. But I don't think the rumors were spun out of thin air. LE has made it very clear they're still investigating this case - which makes it current :D - so it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn they had visited Brevard lately.


ETA: IF that's true, I would be fascinated to know who they were interviewing and why.

I'm pretty sure it will all come together for you after an arrest. :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

Conflicting statements made to LE are far more damaging testimony at trial than an old email that was only partially reproduced in a search warrant.

Somehow, I don't believe Jason is too worried about it.

On that we agree. I don't believe Jason is too worried about it either. He certainly isn't worried enough to track the investigation, or to fight for plenary custody of his daughter. I'd say his confidence is amazing.

[Barbara2]

I'm pretty sure it will all come together for you after an arrest. :thumbsup:

It has all come together for most of us before an arrest. IMO

[Cardinal]

I'm pretty sure it will all come together for you after an arrest. :thumbsup:

Wow, look at that. We agree twice in a row. I think it will too.

Still floating the Meredith Did It Theory? Pretty thin, IMO.

[Barbara2]

On that we agree. I don't believe Jason is too worried about it either. He certainly isn't worried enough to track the investigation, or to fight for plenary custody of his daughter. I'd say his confidence is amazing.

I think that he IS worried. That's the only reason that I can think of for him turning over primary custody of his daughter to his SIL.

[Stellagant]

Hi, Leanne. Good to see you!

I would think if bloody socks had been found in the bathroom, that would have been included in the PC for at least one of the SWs.

I think bloody socks not seized directly by LE would be problematic in establishing chain of custody for purposes of a search warrant.

[Stellagant]

Wow, look at that. We agree twice in a row. I think it will too.

Still floating the Meredith Did It Theory? Pretty thin, IMO.

No thinner than your opinion.

[Cardinal]

I think that he IS worried. That's the only reason that I can think of for him turning over primary custody of his daughter to his SIL.

Hi, Barbara. There is that. Of all of the things that have come to pass in this case, that is the most baffling. Why a man who claims his beautiful daughter is the center of his universe would go down without a fight. Begs a lot of questions, IMO.

[Stellagant]

It has all come together for most of us before an arrest. IMO

Doesn't make you correct, no matter how much you want to believe it.

[Barbara2]

Hi, Barbara. There is that. Of all of the things that have come to pass in this case, that is the most baffling. Why a man who claims his beautiful daughter is the center of his universe would go down without a fight. Begs a lot of questions, IMO.

The questions are pretty much a given. It's the answers that I would like to hear. IMO

[Stellagant]

Hi, Barbara. There is that. Of all of the things that have come to pass in this case, that is the most baffling. Why a man who claims his beautiful daughter is the center of his universe would go down without a fight. Begs a lot of questions, IMO.

No more baffling than those who claim they wanted full custody and he needed a psych evaluation would back off before his response was due to the court.

[Cardinal]

Doesn't make you correct, no matter how much you want to believe it.

Ditto. :D

[Barbara2]

Doesn't make you correct, no matter how much you want to believe it.

Doesn't make me incorrect either, no matter how much you want to believe it. IMO

[Cardinal]

No more baffling than those who claim they wanted full custody and he needed a psych evaluation would back off before his response was due to the court.

Why go through all that when Jason caved so easily?

[Barbara2]

No more baffling than those who claim they wanted full custody and he needed a psych evaluation would back off before his response was due to the court.

He gave up a lot. They gave up nothing. They spared the child the trauma of going through a protracted battle. They can now make the transition amicably. It's all in the best interest of the child. IMO

[Cardinal]

He gave up a lot. They gave up nothing. They spared the child the trauma of going through a protracted battle. They can now make the transition amicably. It's all in the best interest of the child. IMO

Not only that, they get time with Cassidy now. Not a year or more from now after a protracted court battle.

[Stellagant]

On that we agree. I don't believe Jason is too worried about it either. He certainly isn't worried enough to track the investigation, or to fight for plenary custody of his daughter. I'd say his confidence is amazing.

Jason continues to have full custody of his daughter. He only agreed to share full custody and his parental rights remain 100% intact. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights. I think once Jason or his attorney is informed officially that she is a suspect, that "new" circumstance will be followed by a motion. Who do you suppose the Judge will side with? The parent or the third-party suspect? ROFLMAO

[Cardinal]

Jason continues to have full custody of his daughter. He only agreed to share full custody and his parental rights remain 100% intact. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights. I think once Jason or his attorney is informed officially that she is a suspect, that "new" circumstance will be followed by a motion. Who do you suppose the Judge will side with? The parent or the third-party suspect? ROFLMAO

We must have different definitions of "full". Regardless, Jason gave up plenary custody of his only daughter. Why???? What did he have to gain by doing so?

Even if by some wild stretch of the imagination you're correct about a change in circumstances, why would Jason give up anything at all in the meantime? Why not just drag it out in court, see his daughter on a daily basis, have complete control of her situation, until what YOU think will happen, happens? Why cede primary custody to the woman YOU believe killed Michelle? What kind of father is that?

[Stellagant]

He gave up a lot. They gave up nothing. They spared the child the trauma of going through a protracted battle. They can now make the transition amicably. It's all in the best interest of the child. IMO

Are you serious? The child wasn't going to be in the courtroom witnessing the "battle." Linda Fisher asked for full custody and agreed to none. Meredith and Linda Fisher asked for a psych evaluation and then settled even before Jason's response was due. That's pretty bizarre.

Is it in the best interest of the child to be ripped from her home to go live with a childless, unmarried aunt? That's news to me. Can you cite a study to support your claim such a move is in the best interest of the child?

[Barbara2]

Jason continues to have full custody of his daughter. He only agreed to share full custody and his parental rights remain 100% intact. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights. I think once Jason or his attorney is informed officially that she is a suspect, that "new" circumstance will be followed by a motion. Who do you suppose the Judge will side with? The parent or the third-party suspect? ROFLMAO

Have you ever seen the scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"? For some reason that just popped into my mind.

[Stellagant]

We must have different definitions of "full". Regardless, Jason gave up plenary custody of his only daughter. Why???? What did he have to gain by doing so?

Even if by some wild stretch of the imagination you're correct about a change in circumstances, why would Jason give up anything at all in the meantime? Why not just drag it out in court, see his daughter on a daily basis, have complete control of her situation, until what YOU think will happen, happens? Why cede primary custody to the woman YOU believe killed Michelle? What kind of father is that?

Jason did not give up anything. He settled the claim so that it can not be refiled using the same base of allegations. His attorney out-dueled the Fishers' attorney.

ETA: I don't know that Jason believes Meredith killed Michelle.

[5swab5]

Jason continues to have full custody of his daughter. He only agreed to share full custody and his parental rights remain 100% intact. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights. I think once Jason or his attorney is informed officially that she is a suspect, that "new" circumstance will be followed by a motion. Who do you suppose the Judge will side with? The parent or the third-party suspect? ROFLMAO

WRONG again.

They will share legal custody. Meredith will have PRIMARY physical custody. Jason will get Cassidy every other holiday and weekends, half the summer vacation and a few hours on select days, just like a real part-time dad. I can't believe how easily he caved, at least we now know who is really the center of his world.....HIMSELF! MOO

[Barbara2]

Are you serious? The child wasn't going to be in the courtroom witnessing the "battle." Linda Fisher asked for full custody and agreed to none. Meredith and Linda Fisher asked for a psych evaluation and then settled even before Jason's response was due. That's pretty bizarre.

Is it in the best interest of the child to be ripped from her home to go live with a childless, unmarried aunt? That's news to me. Can you cite a study to support your claim such a move is in the best interest of the child?

Jason is giving up primary custody of his child. I don't see that a psych evaluation is necessary since Jason gave custody over to Meredith. No one is ripping Cassidy away from anyone. She needs a stable home life and I believe that Meredith will provide that. I'm sure that Linda will be instrumental in that as well. IMO

[Leanne Weich]

Hi, Leanne. Good to see you!

I would think if bloody socks had been found in the bathroom, that would have been included in the PC for at least one of the SWs.

Hey Card. That was my thinking too and, knowing how Kat dislikes rumours, thought there must have been confirmation of the bloody socks.

[Cardinal]

Jason did not give up anything. He settled the claim so that it can not be refiled using the same base of allegations. His attorney out-dueled the Fishers' attorney.

ETA: I don't know that Jason believes Meredith killed Michelle.

"Jason did not give up anything." No? Does he get to spend this weekend with his daughter? Does he get to enroll her in school in the fall?

[Cardinal]

Hey Card. That was my thinking too and, knowing how Kat dislikes rumours, thought there must have been confirmation of the bloody socks.

I don't think so, Leanne. I think we'd have seen confirmation of it by now.

[Stellagant]

WRONG again.

They will share legal custody. Meredith will have PRIMARY physical custody. Jason will get Cassidy every other holiday and weekends, half the summer vacation and a few hours on select days, just like a real part-time dad. I can't believe how easily he caved, at least we now know who is really the center of his world.....HIMSELF! MOO

You can accuse me of being wrong but your accusations aren't proof of anything. Fact is, both Jason and Meredith now share full legal custody. There is no 50/50 division as some of you mistakenly assume.

I can't believe how easily you have been lead to believe that this settlement agreement is now carved in stone and won't change between now and August. LOL.

[Cardinal]

You can accuse me of being wrong but your accusations aren't proof of anything. Fact is, both Jason and Meredith now share full legal custody. There is no 50/50 division as some of you mistakenly assume.

I can't believe how easily you have been lead to believe that this settlement agreement is now carved in stone and won't change between now and August. LOL.

It's good to see you've revised your definition of "full". :D

And you're right - there is no 50/50 division. I think it's more 80/20 - Meredith/Jason.

[5swab5]

You can accuse me of being wrong but your accusations aren't proof of anything. Fact is, both Jason and Meredith now share full legal custody. There is no 50/50 division as some of you mistakenly assume.

I can't believe how easily you have been lead to believe that this settlement agreement is now carved in stone and won't change between now and August. LOL.

You are right about that, it is going to be NOWHERE near 50/50.

Of his own choosing, Jason is relegated to a "weekend" dad.MOO

[Stellagant]

Jason is giving up primary custody of his child. I don't see that a psych evaluation is necessary since Jason gave custody over to Meredith. No one is ripping Cassidy away from anyone. She needs a stable home life and I believe that Meredith will provide that. I'm sure that Linda will be instrumental in that as well. IMO


Ah, so you are unable to cite any research to support your contention that an unmarried, childless aunt is capable of providing a more stable home life than the child has currently with her parent and grandparents.

No, Jason has not given up primary custody of his child. You need to stop repeating misinformation. He agreed to share legal custody, agreed that Meredith should have primary physical custody. That's his "right" to decide as it is every parent's right to decide.

And, because he is the only parent, Jason retains the right to change his mind when there are new circumstances.

btw, Linda can only be as instrumental as Meredith allows her to be.

[Cardinal]

Ah, so you are unable to cite any research to support your contention that an unmarried, childless aunt is capable of providing a more stable home life than the child has currently with her parent and grandparents.

No, Jason has not given up primary custody of his child. You need to stop repeating misinformation. He agreed to share legal custody, agreed that Meredith should have primary physical custody. That's his "right" to decide as it is every parent's right to decide.

And, because he is the only parent, Jason retains the right to change his mind when there are new circumstances.

btw, Linda can only be as instrumental as Meredith allows her to be.

And what kind of father cedes primary physical custody of his only daughter to the woman YOU believe killed Michelle? For ANY length of time?

[Barbara2]

Ah, so you are unable to cite any research to support your contention that an unmarried, childless aunt is capable of providing a more stable home life than the child has currently with her parent and grandparents.

No, Jason has not given up primary custody of his child. You need to stop repeating misinformation. He agreed to share legal custody, agreed that Meredith should have primary physical custody. That's his "right" to decide as it is every parent's right to decide.

And, because he is the only parent, Jason retains the right to change his mind when there are new circumstances.

btw, Linda can only be as instrumental as Meredith allows her to be.

The child is better off in a loving, stable environment. I'm sure you can find research to support that!

Jason does NOT have the right to change his mind, IMO. He turned that right over to a judge. AIMO.

[Stellagant]

It's good to see you've revised your definition of "full". :D

And you're right - there is no 50/50 division. I think it's more 80/20 - Meredith/Jason.

I've not revised my definition of "full." I've always stated that Jason retains full legal custody of his child and 100% parental rights.

An 80/20 division of legal custody? How about a link to support your claim?

[Cardinal]

I've not revised my definition of "full." I've always stated that Jason retains full legal custody of his child and 100% parental rights.

An 80/20 division of legal custody? How about a link to support your claim?

Yes, Jason's parental rights are intact. I don't believe that's ever been argued. But legal custody is shared, not "full". Read the order.

And I believe I stated - very clearly - that "I think" it's 80/20. No link required.

[Barbara2]

I've not revised my definition of "full." I've always stated that Jason retains full legal custody of his child and 100% parental rights.

An 80/20 division of legal custody? How about a link to support your claim?

He agreed to share legal custody with Meredith so how is he retaining "full" legal custody? He can no longer make major decisions regarding his daughter without consulting Meredith. IMO

[Cardinal]

He agreed to share legal custody with Meredith so how is he retaining "full" legal custody? He can no longer make major decisions regarding his daughter without consulting Meredith. IMO

No, he can't. Jason has given up the right to make major decisions about his only daughter on his own. I still want to know what motivated him to do that.

[Stellagant]

The child is better off in a loving, stable environment. I'm sure you can find research to support that!

Jason does NOT have the right to change his mind, IMO. He turned that right over to a judge. AIMO.

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

[Cardinal]

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

LOL Since as I understand it, Jason is unemployed, at least Meredith has a job.

And honestly, in this economy, that's huge. IMO, of course.

[5swab5]

(snipped)

No, Jason has not given up primary custody of his child. You need to stop repeating misinformation. He agreed to share legal custody, agreed that Meredith should have primary physical custody. That's his "right" to decide as it is every parent's right to decide.(snipped)


WRONG Again.

Child Custody Consent Order:

Findings of Facts...Page 2, # 9...the parties further agree that it is in Cassidy's best interest for there to be a transition period for the transfer of PRIMARY PHYSICAL CUSTODY to Meredith Fisher.

Decree...Page 2 #1...Meredith Fisher shall have PRIMARY PHYSICAL CUSTODY, and Jason Young shall have secondary physical custody...

MOO

[Barbara2]

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

I believe that the new circumstances that they are anticipating is Jason's arrest. I believe that even Jason is anticipating that. IMO

[Cardinal]

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

Now that I think about it, you're saying that Jason ceded primary physical custody of his only daughter to a never-married, childless waitress. What is this man's problem??? Does he have no concern at all for his only child??? He's turning over the center of his universe to such a person????

[Cardinal]

What about LE they have left her with the man they believe to be a killer for 2 +years?

LE's not responsible for Cassidy. Jason is. Isn't that what I've been hearing all this time - that Jason is solely responsible for Cassidy? Oh, wait, he changed that, right?

[Stellagant]

Yes, Jason's parental rights are intact. I don't believe that's ever been argued. But legal custody is shared, not "full". Read the order.

And I believe I stated - very clearly - that "I think" it's 80/20. No link required.

Of course no link is required. I thought maybe you'd try to defend your absurd claim with real facts. Guess not.

The custody agreement for CY does not divide legal custody into any numeric. I guess I thought you knew that. My mistake.

[Cardinal]

I believe you are probably right. I believe at this point he would welcome it so he can get the trial behind him and start a new life. I believe until then he will have this shadow over him because its clear to him and a lot of others that LE has no intention of going after the real killers.

A new life without the day-to-day access to and responsibility for his daughter.

Great guy. :huh:

[Barbara2]

What about LE they have left her with the man they believe to be a killer for 2 +years?

You can believe that a child is being endangered but you have to have evidence that you can put before a judge before you can charge a person with child endangerment. Do you honestly believe that Cassidy's paternal grandmother would let the child be harmed while under her roof?

[Cardinal]

Of course no link is required. I thought maybe you'd try to defend your absurd claim with real facts. Guess not.

The custody agreement for CY does not divide legal custody into any numeric. I guess I thought you knew that. My mistake.

Wow, you admitted to a mistake. I think I'll call it a night on that one.

ROTFL

:seeya:

[Stellagant]

LE's not responsible for Cassidy. Jason is. Isn't that what I've been hearing all this time - that Jason is solely responsible for Cassidy? Oh, wait, he changed that, right?

Not quite. LE must protect Cassidy as a crime victim.

[Stellagant]

You can believe that a child is being endangered but you have to have evidence that you can put before a judge before you can charge a person with child endangerment. Do you honestly believe that Cassidy's paternal grandmother would let the child be harmed while under her roof?

Not quite, Barbara2. If you believe a child is being endangered, you don't pick up the phone and call the Judge, you call CPS and report it.

[Barbara2]

I believe you are probably right. I believe at this point he would welcome it so he can get the trial behind him and start a new life. I believe until then he will have this shadow over him because its clear to him and a lot of others that LE has no intention of going after the real killers.


Why is he not cluing in LE to the "real killers" if that's the only thing keeping him from starting his new life? Now that I read that again, I think you may be betraying a lot more about your real feelings in the wording of this post. IMO

[Barbara2]

Not quite, Barbara2. If you believe a child is being endangered, you don't pick up the phone and call the Judge, you call CPS and report it.

Exactly! And you have to have information to support your charge. You can't just call on your next door neighbor because you don't like them. You have to cite a reason.

[Stellagant]

Now that I think about it, you're saying that Jason ceded primary physical custody of his only daughter to a never-married, childless waitress. What is this man's problem??? Does he have no concern at all for his only child??? He's turning over the center of his universe to such a person????

It's his decision to make because he is the parent. If a Judge is called upon to review it, I doubt he will agree with Jason without a full investigation of Meredith Fisher. Going forward, the only consideration is what is in the best interest of the child.

[Kat4Eagles]

Meredith is not 2, 3, or 4 years old and I don't think anyone has suggested that she should be protected, or not discussed, because of her age.

Unlike Cassidy, Meredith was not at the scene at the time of the murder, she was an innocent bystander sent to the murder scene on a pointless errand by Jason the Slayer. What exactly would you want to say about a person in that position? If the neighbor or a co-worker had been sent on that same pointless errand, what would you have to say about that person?


I would say that I found the 911 call strange, filled with unnecessary information and I would wonder why that was.
And, no one should tell us who or what we can or can't discuss.
Kat

[Barbara2]

I would say that I found the 911 call strange, filled with unnecessary information and I would wonder why that was.

Kat

One word: shock. IMO

[awareness]

You can accuse me of being wrong but your accusations aren't proof of anything. Fact is, both Jason and Meredith now share full legal custody. There is no 50/50 division as some of you mistakenly assume.

I can't believe how easily you have been lead to believe that this settlement agreement is now carved in stone and won't change between now and August. LOL.

Actually dont include me in your second paragraph. Im pretty sure Jason will be arrested this year, perhaps by or before August and when that happens - Meredith will file for and most likely receive full custody of Cassidy.

JMO

[awareness]

I'm pretty sure it will all come together for you after an arrest. :thumbsup:

Your right, it will after SLAYER is arrested.
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

We must have different definitions of "full". Regardless, Jason gave up plenary custody of his only daughter. Why???? What did he have to gain by doing so?

Even if by some wild stretch of the imagination you're correct about a change in circumstances, why would Jason give up anything at all in the meantime? Why not just drag it out in court, see his daughter on a daily basis, have complete control of her situation, until what YOU think will happen, happens? Why cede primary custody to the woman YOU believe killed Michelle? What kind of father is that?

Wait now, Card.
This could go both ways.
Why would you concede to someone who you think murdered your daughter/sister?
What kind of mother, sister would that make you?
Welcome back, btw.
:)
Kat

[awareness]

It's his decision to make because he is the parent. If a Judge is called upon to review it, I doubt he will agree with Jason without a full investigation of Meredith Fisher. Going forward, the only consideration is what is in the best interest of the child.

I highly doubt Meredith would run from an investigation. Meredith could have been subject to one for the Custody suit, therefore I doubt she would have filed for custody in the first place if she had something sinister to hide.

But dont worry, if Jason were to actually attempt to get full legal/physical custody back he'll likely have to also submit to a full investigation as well. Including questions about the murder.

JMO

[awareness]

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

IMO Meredith is a lot more "stable" than Jason is. And in this bad economy, a job is a job. She has a job, last I checked Jason did not. Meredith also provides a stable environment in the home Cassidy already knows, ie its not some new place she's never been to before.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

It's his decision to make because he is the parent. If a Judge is called upon to review it, I doubt he will agree with Jason without a full investigation of Meredith Fisher. Going forward, the only consideration is what is in the best interest of the child.

There is no way to predict how this arrangement is going to work out.
CY may become extremely homesick for her Dad, who knows?
Lifestyes are certainly going to have to change.

Has any counseling been ordered for CY?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

IMO Meredith is a lot more "stable" than Jason is. And in this bad economy, a job is a job. She has a job, last I checked Jason did not. Meredith also provides a stable environment in the home Cassidy already knows, ie its not some new place she's never been to before.

JMO

Link to MF having a job?

Kat

[achristie]

You can accuse me of being wrong but your accusations aren't proof of anything. Fact is, both Jason and Meredith now share full legal custody. There is no 50/50 division as some of you mistakenly assume.

I can't believe how easily you have been lead to believe that this settlement agreement is now carved in stone and won't change between now and August. LOL.

I agree. It's not 50/50. I'm thinking it's more 80/20.
Meredith has PRIMARY custody.
You know, Meredith , the lowlife auntie you so warmly refer to in your posts?
She be the one. The one with PRIMARY custody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carved in stone? The only thing carved in stone is MY's date of birth and date of death.:sad:

MOO Aggie

[Kat4Eagles]

IMO Meredith is a lot more "stable" than Jason is. And in this bad economy, a job is a job. She has a job, last I checked Jason did not. Meredith also provides a stable environment in the home Cassidy already knows, ie its not some new place she's never been to before.

JMO

CY left the Raleigh area when she was 2/ 1/2.
She has been gone for 28 months.
What exactly do you think she remembers ?

Kat

[Barbara2]

Link to MY having a job?

Kat

Not anymore. She was killed. She was an accountant before she was murdered.

[Barbara2]

CY left the Raleigh area when she was 2/ 1/2.
She has been gone for 28 months.
What exactly do you think she remembers ?

Kat

She remembers her aunt who she loves. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Not anymore. She was killed. She was an accountant before she was murdered.

Sorry....:blush:
I meant MF.

Kat

[achristie]

You need to read the custody settlement agreement. New circumstances can be submitted to the court by Jason to change the Judge's mind. He's still the parent and he has rights and so does CY.

I have no idea if Meredith Fisher can provide a loving and stable environment. She's never married, childless and I believe works as a waitress, if that. That's stable?

I agree. He can do all that you described, but that would mean he would have to open his mouth and SPEAK. Is he more stable? Is he working to support himself and his child? Is he loving? You don't know that , nor do I. Not about him nor Auntie Meredith. I'm thinking the judge must have those answers. You know, the person that really counts.:tongue:

MOO Aggie

[Kat4Eagles]

She remembers her aunt who she loves. IMO

I would imagine she loves her Daddy more and the new life she has made with the Youngs,
That's not my call though, it was Jason's.
I am willing to see how it all plays out.
And, my wishes for CY , wherever she lives, will always remain the same, that she will someday be able to deal with all the cards she was dealt, and that she will become a strong woman exactly like her Mom.
Kat

PS.. I guess those visitors in Brevard have moved on.
:)

[Barbara2]

I would imagine she loves her Daddy more and the new life she has made with the Youngs,
That's not my call though, it was Jason's.
I am willing to see how it all plays out.
And, my wishes for CY , wherever she lives, will always remain the same, that she will someday be able to deal with all the cards she was dealt, and that she will become a strong woman exactly like her Mom.
Kat

PS.. I guess those visitors in Brevard have moved on.
:)

I have had the experience of having a child decide to leave one parent and move into another home because she was tired of the instability in her life. She was old enough to make that decision but she would have moved a lot sooner if that had been a possibility. It can break a person's heart to have to send a crying child back to another household because the court system doesn't allow for emotions but only "facts". It's not that cut and dried. IMO

ETA: Let's compare the pictures showing Cassidy with the two sides and see what they display. You know what they say: A picture says a thousand words. IMO

[achristie]

CY left the Raleigh area when she was 2/ 1/2.
She has been gone for 28 months.
What exactly do you think she remembers ?

Kat

Walking around in a pool of blood surrounding her mother's cold, stiff, brutally beaten body? Trying to fix her boo boos? What a sad reminder.

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12825615]I would imagine she loves her Daddy more and the new life she has made with the Youngs,
That's not my call though, it was Jason's.
I am willing to see how it all plays out.
And, my wishes for CY , wherever she lives, will always remain the same, that she will someday be able to deal with all the cards she was dealt, and that she will become a strong woman exactly like her Mom.
Kat

PS.. I guess those visitors in Brevard have moved on.
:)[/QUOTE

Poor CY. A darling child that is the spitting image of her mother. Her father gave her a life sentence with his selfish act.

Maybe, just maybe, she will survive intact.

I don't know her Mom.

But her mother's family knows her Mom.

Hopefully, they can accomplish giving her a whole life, with love and support, and nurturing , an overwhelming task, IMO.

Aggie

[Jester]

No Kidding.

I wonder what Plan B was, if Meredith wasn't around? I bet that couple that was on their way from Charlotte for the big Homecoming game, thanks their lucky stars that they didn't get stuck with discovering the slayer's handiwork. MOO

It may have been Plan A to have the friends discover Michelle, but maybe Jason had a pang of conscience after 28 calls with mom, and a few more with Michelle Money, so he made arrangements for Meredith to head over to the house on an obvious ruse.

[Jester]

iirc, those posts were made months before a search warrant revealed LE did go back into the home to photograph the very same tiles those very same footprints were made upon. Not very bizarre at all if you'd bother to put it in context.

What does the timing of anything have to do with people suggesting someone at the murder scene was completely mental and dipped children's socks in Michelle's blood?

[Barbara2]

It may have been Plan A to have the friends discover Michelle, but maybe Jason had a pang of conscience after 28 calls with mom, and a few more with Michelle Money, so he made arrangements for Meredith to head over to the house on an obvious ruse.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Based on the timing, he may well have set up his friends. Harsh!

[Jester]

I think bloody socks not seized directly by LE would be problematic in establishing chain of custody for purposes of a search warrant.

Are you still talking about bloody socks that the neighbor claimed were in the bathroom? You do realize that the neighbor was not at the scene.

[Jester]

Where did you come up with that idea? Dipped the socks in blood? I sure never heard that before.

That's because you are new here (or so I understand from your comments). If you had been following the case from the beginning, you could have enjoyed the absurd comments about the socks.

[Jester]

I would say that I found the 911 call strange, filled with unnecessary information and I would wonder why that was.
And, no one should tell us who or what we can or can't discuss.
Kat

Extreme stress does the most unusual things to people.

I don't know what you mean when you say that no one should tell us who or what we can or can't discuss. CW has made it been clear what can or cannot be discussed.

[Jester]

There is no way to predict how this arrangement is going to work out.
CY may become extremely homesick for her Dad, who knows?
Lifestyes are certainly going to have to change.

Has any counseling been ordered for CY?

Kat

Sure there is. Over the next six months, Cassidy is going to transition to a real home to call her own. In September, she will be living full time with Meredith. Every second weekend, or 4 days a month, she will visit her dad. That is how this arrangement is going to work out.

Jason's lifestyle won't change. He'll still be unemployed. Meredith's will change, in that she will no longer have roommates. Cassidy's lifestyle will change in that she will have a real home and will no longer be having extended visits with various relatives of her father.

[Jester]

CY left the Raleigh area when she was 2/ 1/2.
She has been gone for 28 months.
What exactly do you think she remembers ?

Kat

She'll be going home tomorrow. I guess it's only a matter of time to find out what she remembers - not that it matters.

[Jester]

Do you know what time the friends were due to arrive?I think it was around 4 in the afternoon, but can't say for sure.

[Stellagant]

Swab didn't say 80/20 legal.

You are wrong again. Legal custody means M.Y. and Jason have to consult eachother regarding issues of medical care, education, religious upbringing, etc. She simply has to make a phone call and let him no what is going on and the same goes for Jason. No judge will allow him in these circumstances to give up his parental rights because then M.F. would not be eligable for child support from him, if she chooses to file for it.

M.F. has Primary Physical Custody. She is the main caregiver to C.Y. Not Jason. She will have the same rights as Jason since she has now been deemed the primary caregiver. She will become C.Y.'s guardian and have all the same rights as a parent.

I never said Swab said 80/20 legal. My post was to Cardinal. I suggest you pay better attention before calling me out.

Legal guardians do not have parental rights. Please stop making stuff up as you go along. Thanks.

[Stellagant]

Do you know what time the friends were due to arrive?

iirc, the friends were expected on Saturday.

[Stellagant]

I would imagine she loves her Daddy more and the new life she has made with the Youngs,
That's not my call though, it was Jason's.
I am willing to see how it all plays out.
And, my wishes for CY , wherever she lives, will always remain the same, that she will someday be able to deal with all the cards she was dealt, and that she will become a strong woman exactly like her Mom.
Kat

PS.. I guess those visitors in Brevard have moved on.
:)


I wonder what the status is of the child's trust fund that was set up after her mother's murder.

I wonder what bank was handling the funds? Wachovia, perhaps? LOL

[Stellagant]

I am not making antying up. M.F. has the same rights as Jason not that she has primary physical custody of C.Y. She is not just a babysitter, she is now her guardian. Please read up so you know what you are talking about.


Provide a link to support your claim.

In reality that is supported by real court documents and statutes, Meredith Fisher does not have parental rights over CY nor has a court designated her legal guardian. You're dreaming if you believe she does.

[Jester]

I am not making antying up. M.F. has the same rights as Jason not that she has primary physical custody of C.Y. She is not just a babysitter, she is now her guardian. Please read up so you know what you are talking about.

You're quite right. Meredith will be Cassidy's legal guardian, her primary caregiver, and she will have day to day care and control of Cassidy. She will look after all her personal, medical, education, and extra-curricular activities. Cassidy will visit with her dad 4 days a month.

[Stellagant]

How about for once YOU provide a link?

You are dreaming if you think that M.F. having Primary Physical Custody status doesn't make her a legal guardian.

She is. It obvious that you hate that fact, but its true. Its the way it works.

Legal guardians are appointed by a court. The Court did not appoint Meredith Fisher as legal guardian, the Court only agreed with Jason's decision that she share custody.

That's a fact that is proved by the custody order, if you would bother to read it.

[Stellagant]

You're quite right. Meredith will be Cassidy's legal guardian, her primary caregiver, and she will have day to day care and control of Cassidy. She will look after all her personal, medical, education, and extra-curricular activities. Cassidy will visit with her dad 4 days a month.

Since both of you are claiming this to be true, one of you needs to post a link to the court order appointing Meredith Fisher legal guardian.

[Jester]

Since both of you are claiming this to be true, one of you needs to post a link to the court order appointing Meredith Fisher legal guardian.

It comes with the territory of being primary caregiver. If Cassidy is going on a school field trip, forms will have to be signed by either a parent or a legal guardian. Who do you think is going to sign those forms, and do you think she will check parent, or legal guardian?

[Stellagant]

M.F., as the PRIMARY PHYSICAL custodial caregiver now is considered her legal guardian.

Argue all you want, but that is a fact.

Provide a link, pls.

[Stellagant]

It comes with the territory of being primary caregiver. If Cassidy is going on a school field trip, forms will have to be signed by either a parent or a legal guardian. Who do you think is going to sign those forms, and do you think she will check parent, or legal guardian?

Meredith shares legal custody and can sign such a form. Meredith is NOT a legal guardian because the Court did not appoint her legal guardian. It's pretty simple, really, if you and Brion would only bother to read the court order and statutes.

[Jester]

Provide a link, pls.

You seem to want a link to a court order stating that Meredith is now Cassidy's legal guardian. I don't know that it has been written in related court orders, but it is a fact. The primary caregiver of a child must have legal guardianship of the child in order to provide care. If Cassidy is enrolled in an extra-curricular class, like swimming, she must have a signature from a legal guardian or parent. Similarly, if anything happened to Cassidy and she needed medical care, she would require an immediate signature from a legal guardian. Meredith will have this responsibility regardless of whether you accept it or not. It is not something that will be linked for you here, as it is common sense.

[Stellagant]

Its Custody 101. Easy stuff. If you can provide a link otherwise, I will concede. Since M.F. has primary physical custody of C.Y. she now has legal guardian status.

You're the one claiming it is a fact. You're the one who is responsible for providing the link.

[Jester]

Meredith shares legal custody and can sign such a form. Meredith is NOT a legal guardian because the Court did not appoint her legal guardian. It's pretty simple, really, if you and Brion would only bother to read the court order and statutes.

I'm afraid not. Hospitals, schools, and organization that considers liability an issue require a signature from either a parent or legal guardian. Aunts, sisters, brothers, and other people are not legally allowed to sign waivers.

[Stellagant]

You seem to want a link to a court order stating that Meredith is now Cassidy's legal guardian. I don't know that it has been written in related court orders, but it is a fact. The primary caregiver of a child must have legal guardianship of the child in order to provide care. If Cassidy is enrolled in an extra-curricular class, like swimming, she must have a signature from a legal guardian or parent. Similarly, if anything happened to Cassidy and she needed medical care, she would require an immediate signature from a legal guardian. Meredith will have this responsibility regardless of whether you accept it or not. It is not something that will be linked for you here, as it is common sense.

You two keep citing these are "facts" and you refuse to provide links.

You sure can't seem to grasp the difference between someone who has legal custody and one who is appointed guardian by a court.

Meredith shares legal custody. That is a fact supported by court documents that have been linked.

No court has appointed Meredith legal guardian. Jason is still very much a parent with legal custody over his daughter. If Cassidy requires medical care, Meredith must consult with Jason. Another fact, supported by real legal documents that have been linked.

[Jester]

Its pretty standard stuff. You cannot give a person Primary physical custody without legal guardian status. I am surprised you don't know this.

It is common sense and no link is required. Perhaps the common sense comes with the life experience of having children.

[Stellagant]

I'm afraid not. Hospitals, schools, and organization that considers liability an issue require a signature from either a parent or legal guardian. Aunts, sisters, brothers, and other people are not legally allowed to sign waivers.

Meredith is allowed to sign because she shares custody. But on major issues, decisions are made jointly, not by Meredith alone. She must first consult Jason before signing. I guess the Judge was unable to explain it in terms you understand.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/06/4487955/Feb._6,_2009,_child_custody_consent_order.pdf

Legal custody. Meredith Fisher and Jason Young shall exercise joint legal custody of Cassidy. This means that major decisions affecting the health, education and welfare of Cassidy shall be made jointly between Meredith Fisher and Jason Young.

[5swab5]

The warrant says CY was clean even her feet. So she certainly wasn't walking around in her blood when LE arrived. The talk about fixing boo boos went on in the 911 call which means that MF allowed that child in the room with her dead mother. So CY has MF to thanks for the memory of fixing boo boos.

Jason sent Meredith to the house to discover Michelle's body, yet it is Meredith's fault that Cassidy saw anything? What a convoluted way of looking at things, talk about shooting the messenger. MOO

[5swab5]

You two keep citing these are "facts" and you refuse to provide links.

You sure can't seem to grasp the difference between someone who has legal custody and one who is appointed guardian by a court.

Meredith shares legal custody. That is a fact supported by court documents that have been linked.

No court has appointed Meredith legal guardian. Jason is still very much a parent with legal custody over his daughter. If Cassidy requires medical care, Meredith must consult with Jason. Another fact, supported by real legal documents that have been linked.


The difference is...since Jason's epiphany...you know, the one wherein he decided that it would be a good idea to sign over PRIMARY custody of Cassidy to Meredith.

Jason now has to consult Meredith in major decisions, like Cassidy's health, education and welfare. Big difference, HUGE in fact. What would possess an innocent man to do such a thing? (Rhetorical) MOO

[Jester]

Meredith is allowed to sign because she shares custody. But on major issues, decisions are made jointly, not by Meredith alone. She must first consult Jason before signing. I guess the Judge was unable to explain it in terms you understand.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/06/4487955/Feb._6,_2009,_child_custody_consent_order.pdf

Legal custody. Meredith Fisher and Jason Young shall exercise joint legal custody of Cassidy. This means that major decisions affecting the health, education and welfare of Cassidy shall be made jointly between Meredith Fisher and Jason Young.

Signing a waiver so Cassidy can go on a school field trip is not a major decision, and will not require Jason's approval. It will be in Cassidy's best interests to participate, and she will be required to provide a waiver, signed by a parent or legal guardian (and no one else), in order to participate. Meredith will be signing those documents, along with all beginning of school papers, as her legal guardian. She does not have to consult with Jason in order to put Cassidy in school.

[5swab5]

Cassidy takes the first step into her new life today @ 3PM. My thoughts and prayers are with her. There aren't enough hours in a day to make up for all the time that they have lost, but I am sure she and Meredith will have a wonderful time.

Godspeed. :rose:

[Barbara2]

If she is the one that was driving MY's car she had to go back. Seems in one of the warrants thats what LE believed. In all the warrants served on JY we know one fact . He had an affair. In these same warrants that were served on JY we learned two different stories of where MF found CY when she arrived at the house. We learned CY was clean but MF said on the 911 call there was little bloody footprints all over the house. We learned that MF told LE she lay her keys on the counter. We later learned her keys were on the hood of MY's car. I believe the warrant said after that revelation MF said well those must be MY's keys on the counter. That in itself should be en ought to pull up LE's antenna's. Why would she have said that if she hadn't had MY's keys?

Who else's keys would they be? Jason had his keys with him and Cassidy didn't drive so that only leaves Michelle.

[Barbara2]

You totally missed the point that MF told LE thats where she put her keys.

Exactly. That's where she thought she had put them. She didn't remember that she had laid them down on Michelle's car. Under the circumstances, I'm not surprised that she didn't remember where she put her keys. IMO

[5swab5]

If she is the one that was driving MY's car she had to go back. Seems in one of the warrants thats what LE believed. In all the warrants served on JY we know one fact . He had an affair. In these same warrants that were served on JY we learned two different stories of where MF found CY when she arrived at the house. We learned CY was clean but MF said on the 911 call there was little bloody footprints all over the house. We learned that MF told LE she lay her keys on the counter. We later learned her keys were on the hood of MY's car. I believe the warrant said after that revelation MF said well those must be MY's keys on the counter. That in itself should be en ought to pull up LE's antenna's. Why would she have said that if she hadn't had MY's keys?

I can't believe that all you have gotten out of 18 SWs, is that Jason had an affair.:rolleyes:

Meredith was in SHOCK, at having been sent to the house by a slayer to pick up a useless computer printout. Only to discover a horrendous sight. I can't even imagine what all was running through her head, must have been like a near death experience, when you relive every moment of your life.

Starting with that stupid phone call from the slayer. MOO

[Doorbell]

Wishing all the best to Meredith and Cassidy for their five day visit.

[5swab5]

In addition, I don't believe for a minute that MF drove MY's car anywhere. I don't believe anyone did. I think that SW was to make sure every angle was covered. And, when they had crossed all the t's and dotted the i's, they realized it was a non-issue. Thus, why we haven't seen another SW about it or anything pertaining to MF since 2007. Yep, going on 2 years. Where is Kat when we need a count?

But, the slayer has had SWs as recent as what? February? I know November and December of last year too.


Exactly!

It was a preemptive strike against Jason's attorney whining, that they never checked it out.
Nothing came of it, Jason is still the Primary suspect.

I don't see anything odd about Michelle's keys being on the counter, and I certainly don't see anything odd about Meredith not remembering where she put hers. She was more than a little busy with 911, paramedics and LE, not to mention Cassidy and Mr. Garrison. MOO

[Doorbell]

We didn't see the warrant about the car keys in 2007. We didn't even know about it till a year later and then it was sealed. So how can you be so sure there wasn't more warrants issued ?

How can you be sure there aren't more for Jason?

So far, he's way ahead on the warrant count.

[Stellagant]

Signing a waiver so Cassidy can go on a school field trip is not a major decision, and will not require Jason's approval. It will be in Cassidy's best interests to participate, and she will be required to provide a waiver, signed by a parent or legal guardian (and no one else), in order to participate. Meredith will be signing those documents, along with all beginning of school papers, as her legal guardian. She does not have to consult with Jason in order to put Cassidy in school.

You continue to argue about a legal term that you obviously know absolutely nothing about. You mentioned hospitals in your post and I responded.

The fact is, Meredith was not appointed Legal Guardian. A legal guardian has sole authority.

A hospital would require Meredith to show that court order as would a school and on decisions THEY deem are major, Jason would be consulted. Jason has already agreed to the school issue.

[5swab5]

You continue to argue about a legal term that you obviously know absolutely nothing about. You mentioned hospitals in your post and I responded.

The fact is, Meredith was not appointed Legal Guardian. A legal guardian has sole authority.

A hospital would require Meredith to show that court order as would a school and on decisions THEY deem are major, Jason would be consulted. Jason has already agreed to the school issue.

Who cares? It is a distinction without a difference.

By your very own definition, Jason doesn't have sole authority either, he gave that away to keep his mouth shut. MOO

[Stellagant]

Ok, say for instance that Cassidy gets hurt at school -- falls off a swing or something (this is for sake of illustration, I do not wish this on the poor child). MF is at the hospital with her and they need consent to treat. Are you saying that MF's signature isn't enough? It would take Jason hours to get there. Or, they might not even be able to get ahold of him. What then?

A hospital can gain Jason's consent over the telephone.

[5swab5]

Ok, say for instance that Cassidy gets hurt at school -- falls off a swing or something (this is for sake of illustration, I do not wish this on the poor child). MF is at the hospital with her and they need consent to treat. Are you saying that MF's signature isn't enough? It would take Jason hours to get there. Or, they might not even be able to get ahold of him. What then?

Cassidy would automatically be treated and NO court would find any harm on either side. MOO

[Barbara2]

Legal Custody

"Legal custody" gives a parent the right to make long-term decisions about the raising of a child, and key aspects of the child's welfare -- including the child's education, medical care, dental care, and religious instruction. In most child custody cases, legal custody is awarded to both parents (called "joint legal custody"), unless it is shown that one parent is somehow unfit, or is incapable of making decisions about the child's upbringing. Legal custody is different from "physical custody," which involves issues such as where the child will live.

Example #1: Mother and Father have divorced, and share legal custody of Child. This means that Mother and Father share equally in making important decisions concerning Child's upbringing and welfare.

Example #2: Mother and Father have divorced, due in large part to Father's substance abuse and addiction. Mother seeks and is granted legal custody of Child. This means that Mother alone has legal authority to decide key issues related to Child's upbringing, and Father has no legal right to participate in the decision-making process.

http://family.findlaw.com/child-custody/custody-types/legal-custody.html

[alterEgo©]

Just for sake of summarization...

We have a few on the board here that believe JY is innocent and gave up PRIMARY physical custody to the person who they believe killed MY.

That is anti-Occam's Razor at its best. I will have to come up with a new theorem name.
uh, your supposition has nothing to do wth Occam's Razor, you know, fewest entries req'd to explain something.

If anything, the twisting and making up of stuff to show Jason was in the bedroom when Michelle sustained her injuries is classic anti Occams Razor.

[alterEgo©]

I will give you an honest answer. It was issued in 2007, even though we didn't see it -- so the authorities have had that info starting way back then. I believe they sealed that warrant because they knew it was barking up the wrong tree and may give some over-zealous internet folks something to cling to.

that is not a valid or legal reason to seal a warrant. :rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

Wouldn't that open them up to a lawsuit? I mean, if a hospital is given and phone number and calls it to gain consent or if someone calls the hospital...how are they verifying a person's actual identity? They could be talking to the pope.

Who is going to impersonate Jason and why would they do that? Bottom line is, if Jason isn't consulted then Meredith would be in violation of the court order.

[alterEgo©]

Exactly!

It was a preemptive strike against Jason's attorney whining, that they never checked it out.
Nothing came of it, Jason is still the Primary suspect.

I don't see anything odd about Michelle's keys being on the counter, and I certainly don't see anything odd about Meredith not remembering where she put hers. She was more than a little busy with 911, paramedics and LE, not to mention Cassidy and Mr. Garrison. MOO
Oh for pete's sake, swabby, you come up with the most outlandish stuff.

When Meredith first got to the house, she was NOT busy w/911 or Cassidy. She told LE she put her keys on the counter, just like always. She didn't tell them she was surprised to see Michelle's car there and left her keys on the hood of her car because her car should not have been there. She didn't say anything about the dog jumping on her and distracting her and causing her to put her keys anywhere except her normal place of the kitchen counter.

LE even called it a 'revelation' from Meredith that the keys on the hood of the car belonged to her.

[Stellagant]

Oh for pete's sake, swabby, you come up with the most outlandish stuff.

When Meredith first got to the house, she was NOT busy w/911 or Cassidy. She told LE she put her keys on the counter, just like always. She didn't tell them she was surprised to see Michelle's car there and left her keys on the hood of her car because her car should not have been there. She didn't say anything about the dog jumping on her and distracting her and causing her to put her keys anywhere except her normal place of the kitchen counter.

LE even called it a 'revelation' from Meredith that the keys on the hood of the car belonged to her.

I think the 'revelation' was her comment that the keys on the counter were Michelle's.

I think another 'revelation' is that she was sent to pick up a fax that wasn't a fax after all.

I'm sure there are probably more that we don't know about.

[5swab5]

(snipped)We learned that MF told LE she lay her keys on the counter. We later learned her keys were on the hood of MY's car. I believe the warrant said after that revelation MF said well those must be MY's keys on the counter. That in itself should be en ought to pull up LE's antenna's. Why would she have said that if she hadn't had MY's keys?


I saw something on the Haleigh Cummings board, that addresses this nicely. They were talking about the different stories that Misty had given about the events of the night that Haleigh disappeared.

LE clearly stated they were being given different stories. BUT, he was quick to add, sometimes in confusion and panic, that happens. Inconsistency doesn't necessarily equal inauthenticity. MOO

[Stellagant]

I saw something on the Haleigh Cummings board, that addresses this nicely. They were talking about the different stories that Misty had given about the events of the night that Haleigh disappeared.

LE clearly stated they were being given different stories. BUT, he was quick to add, sometimes in confusion and panic, that happens. Inconsistency doesn't necessarily equal inauthenticity. MOO

A jury decides whether it is inauthentic or just confused.

[alterEgo©]

Exactly. That's where she thought she had put them. She didn't remember that she had laid them down on Michelle's car. Under the circumstances, I'm not surprised that she didn't remember where she put her keys. IMOWell I sure am. Something unusual happened to make her place her keys on Michelle's car instead of their regular spot. Since it was unusual, she should have remembered. I can see her forgetting anything about the drive to the house, unless something unusual happened on the way. But she gets there and, by her own statement on the 911 call, Michelle is not supposed to be there but her car in the garage, so there is ususual #1. But she tells LE she puts her keys on the counter just like always, like it's just another day in the neighborhood - nothing unusual going on here.

[alterEgo©]

I saw something on the Haleigh Cummings board, that addresses this nicely. They were talking about the different stories that Misty had given about the events of the night that Haleigh disappeared.

LE clearly stated they were being given different stories. BUT, he was quick to add, sometimes in confusion and panic, that happens. Inconsistency doesn't necessarily equal inauthenticity. MOOOh, was Meredith in a state of confusion or panic when she first got the house?

[5swab5]

Oh for pete's sake, swabby, you come up with the most outlandish stuff.

When Meredith first got to the house, she was NOT busy w/911 or Cassidy. She told LE she put her keys on the counter, just like always. She didn't tell them she was surprised to see Michelle's car there and left her keys on the hood of her car because her car should not have been there. She didn't say anything about the dog jumping on her and distracting her and causing her to put her keys anywhere except her normal place of the kitchen counter.

LE even called it a 'revelation' from Meredith that the keys on the hood of the car belonged to her.


And yet, that revelation is followed up with more SWs for Jason slayer Young. :shrug:

MOO

[Stellagant]

Well I sure am. Something unusual happened to make her place her keys on Michelle's car instead of their regular spot. Since it was unusual, she should have remembered. I can see her forgetting anything about the drive to the house, unless something unusual happened on the way. But she gets there and, by her own statement on the 911 call, Michelle is not supposed to be there but her car in the garage, so there is ususual #1. But she tells LE she puts her keys on the counter just like always, like it's just another day in the neighborhood - nothing unusual going on here.

LE has yet to confirm the time of Jason's supposed phone call to her or the time the document was printed. Those are two huge pieces of evidence they've held back along with the TOD.

[5swab5]

I think the 'revelation' was her comment that the keys on the counter were Michelle's.

I think another 'revelation' is that she was sent to pick up a fax that wasn't a fax after all.

I'm sure there are probably more that we don't know about.

You have NO WAY of knowing what the slayer called the piece of paper that he sent Meredith after. MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

A jury decides whether it is inauthentic or just confused.

If they hear about it they do. But the cops make the same decisions during their investigations. That's why some people are charged and some are not. If it was done the way you are suggesting, the cops would just come into court and present all of there evidence, information, statements, etc. to the jury. They would look it over and then decide who the cops should go and arrest. That not the ways it's done here. The cops investigate the case, identify the perpetrator, and build a case. The jury decides if they have proven it or not.

[Stellagant]

You have NO WAY of knowing what the slayer called the piece of paper that he sent Meredith after. MOO


All LE knows is what Meredith told them: a FAX.

LE has confirmed it wasn't a FAX but instead a document printed from the adjacent computer.

[Stellagant]

If they hear about it they do. But the cops make the same decisions during their investigations. That's why some people are charged and some are not. If it was done the way you are suggesting, the cops would just come into court and present all of there evidence, information, statements, etc. to the jury. They would look it over and then decide who the cops should go and arrest. That not the ways it's done here. The cops investigate the case, identify the perpetrator, and build a case. The jury decides if they have proven it or not.

Cops don't present evidence to a jury, the DA does.

DA makes sure the jury learns of all inconsistent statements made by the defendant. These inconsistencies are usually brought out in testimony by investigators.

[5swab5]

Oh, was Meredith in a state of confusion or panic when she first got the house?


I never said she was. Geeze, you make it sound like LE was at the house, waiting to question Meredith when she first got there.

Lots of things happened that day, starting with a fluke of a phone call from the slayer, to pick up a piece of paper on an EXPIRED EBay auction...for a surprise Anniversary present for an Anniversary that had already passed. MOO

[Stellagant]

I never said she was. Geeze, you make it sound like LE was at the house, waiting to question Meredith when she first got there.

Lots of things happened that day, starting with a fluke of a phone call from the slayer, to pick up a piece of paper on an EXPIRED EBay auction...for a surprise Anniversary present for an Anniversary that had already passed. MOO

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, does it? Why would Jason ask Meredith to pick up EXPIRED information? Quite a fluke, indeed.

[5swab5]

All LE knows is what Meredith told them: a FAX.

LE has confirmed it wasn't a FAX but instead a document printed from the adjacent computer.

I saw the early news reports call it a fax, but since then I assumed it was a printout. But like I said, you have no idea what the slayer called it when he had Meredith go get it.

Whatever he called it, it was only a ruse to get Meredith there. MOO

[jerry50]

And yet, that revelation is followed up with more SWs for Jason slayer Young. :shrug:

MOO

That doesn't seem to indicate anything to some. In addition, it appears that everyone respects Alan Fisher but his opinion in the search warrants that JY is the killer is overlooked. Not only did Alan Fisher believe that JY was the killer but he expresses remorse for the treatment that Linda and Meredith were receiving from JY.
He had heard the 911 call and did not feel it was suspicious or he would not have felt bad for Meredith. He knew his daughter better than anyone on this board and he didn't seem to have a problem with how she sounded on the 911 call. If posters want Mr Fisher to rest in peace they should stop vilifying his remaining daughter.

[5swab5]

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, does it? Why would Jason ask Meredith to pick up EXPIRED information? Quite a fluke, indeed.

DOH!

Because he didn't want to have to be the one to discover Michelle's body and have to call the police. He could only drive around in the mountains for so long, before he "fell plumb to his knees".

Besides, IF and this is a huge IF. IF he didn't intend to kill Cassidy too, he needed to get her out of there. MOO

[Stellagant]

They haven't confirmed, but I would put money on them know all three answers. And, since I don't see them calling MF their PRIME SUSPECT, I am guessing her story fits what they found.

And furthermore, killers tend not to be the ones that want to find the body for obvious reasons. She wouldn't have went back in there if she had anything to do with it.

LE didn't call Jason a prime suspect and you still insisted he was. I'm guessing Meredith's inconsistent statements to LE in a warrant that was sealed places her in the same category as Jason. If you don't want to believe that, fine with me.

Meredith would need a reason to put herself at the crime scene in order to explain away any forensic evidence found by LE. Such as her hair found on Michelle's hand, for example.

[Stellagant]

Because he forgot to pick auctions that went out far enough ahead.

You are forgetting that it was reported he showed these same documents to guests, supposedly. Why would Meredith make up such a stupid reason to be at the house? I mean c'mon...she didn't know they were there until she got there. You would think she would have come up with a better reason before getting there.

ETA: She wouldn't have even gone there....period.

Who reported Jason showed the same documents to guests? I missed that one.

Meredith made up a stupid reason to be at the house to explain away why she was there. If she wasn't there, Cassidy would have been there all alone for hours on end.

[Stellagant]

DOH!

Because he didn't want to have to be the one to discover Michelle's body and have to call the police. He could only drive around in the mountains for so long, before he "fell plumb to his knees".

Besides, IF and this is a huge IF. IF he didn't intend to kill Cassidy too, he needed to get her out of there. MOO

He waited for hours and then decided he needed to get CY out of there? Sorry, that doesn't fit with the evidence we know......CY had no sign of blood on her. Nowhere, not even her feet.

[Stellagant]

A quote from the last search warrant (pg 21):

"Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wife's murder cannot be ruled out and he remains the primary suspect."

Now, this SW was written 2/9/09. So, my reading comprehension tells me that JY is the primary suspect as of 2/9/09 and was for some time before that, as denoted by using the word "remains."

How does your reading comprehension break that statement down?

I know the difference between "primary" and "only." LE has NEVER said Jason is the only suspect.

[Stellagant]

Wow and how lucky for Meredith Jason called to give her a reason!! Wow, like winning the lottery.

And you do not know whose hair was found on MY's hand...so don't even insinuate that as an example. It was probably Michelles and that is why we haven't heard anything about it.

It hasn't been proved Jason called Meredith or for what reason. That's only her word.

It doesn't matter if the hair on Michelle's hand belongs to Meredith or Michelle. Meredith claims she had a reason to be there. It will be up to a jury to decide whether she was telling the truth in the end. I don't believe her.

[Stellagant]

Well good for you. BUT, this was your reply to me:



And, my friend, that would be false. They did indeed call him the PRIMARY suspect. The only thing primary is used in reference to MF is that she now has PRIMARY physical custody of C.

LE did not call Jason a suspect for over two years. That is a fact you can't seem to accept.

btw, MF does not get PRIMARY physical custody of CY until August. Lots can happen between now and then. I'll believe it when it actually happens.

[Stellagant]

You know, I am really getting tired of your insults and telling us all we don't know anything. Some of us are actually in the situation and know what we are talking about. M.F. is not required to carry around her court order. She would take the little girl to the hospital, tell them that she is the Primary custodial caregiver and present all of the little girl's info, which will have the her primary residence listed on it, which obviously will be the same as M.F.'s. Jason is now a weeked dad who has some say in the little girl's life, but not much. You really seriously need to read up before you start insulting everyone.

My links aren't insults, no matter how you try to spin it. I'm getting tired of you stating things as fact without providing links.

What info does the child have that contains her address? Her driver's license? :lol:

[5swab5]

LE didn't call Jason a prime suspect and you still insisted he was. (snipped)

Oh Please,

Feb. 11th: Investigators have made little secret of the fact that Jason Young is their main suspect in the murder of his wife Michelle.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6653529

Think reporters just make this stuff up? Funny, there hasn't been a retraction. MOO

[5swab5]

LE did not call Jason a suspect for over two years. That is a fact you can't seem to accept.

btw, MF does not get PRIMARY physical custody of CY until August. Lots can happen between now and then. I'll believe it when it actually happens.

You can believe this, in two hours and 51 minutes, Cassidy will be embarking on phase one of her transition period, to living PRIMARILY with Meredith. MOO

[alterEgo©]

And yet, that revelation is followed up with more SWs for Jason slayer Young. :shrug:

MOO
So?

It doesn't change the fact it was a revelation.

Or that LE needs to explain why Cassidy is so clean after being alone in a bloody gruesome crime scene for hours on end.

[alterEgo©]

Oh Please,

Feb. 11th: Investigators have made little secret of the fact that Jason Young is their main suspect in the murder of his wife Michelle.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6653529

Think reporters just make this stuff up? Funny, there hasn't been a retraction. MOO
They sure did in this case.

[Kat4Eagles]

<snipped> If Cassidy requires medical care, Meredith must consult with Jason. Another fact, supported by real legal documents that have been linked.

Oh, gosh, I sure hope she never has to make another 911 call.
:(
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The warrant says CY was clean even her feet. So she certainly wasn't walking around in her blood when LE arrived. The talk about fixing boo boos went on in the 911 call which means that MF allowed that child in the room with her dead mother. So CY has MF to thanks for the memory of fixing boo boos.

Excellent observation!
Nothing like taking the child from the room, shutting the door, maybe exploring the home for whoever did this to Michelle.
Or, better yet, getting the child to a completely safe place outside the home.
But, no, let's let her stay in the bloody room, ask her questions even!
And, some wonder why we question the call or the lack of judgement behind it.
Wow.
Kat

[5swab5]

So?

It doesn't change the fact it was a revelation.

Or that LE needs to explain why Cassidy is so clean after being alone in a bloody gruesome crime scene for hours on end.

Since Jason saw reason to admit to his mother that he gave Cassidy "watered down" :rolleyes: adult medicine, I have no problem with Cassidy remaining clean after he originally cleaned her up. MOO

[janesdeaan]

You are very rude.

Her insurance cards possibly, or medical card.

I totally agree Brion, and you show tremendous patience btw.

[Kat4Eagles]

Cassidy takes the first step into her new life today @ 3PM. My thoughts and prayers are with her. There aren't enough hours in a day to make up for all the time that they have lost, but I am sure she and Meredith will have a wonderful time.

Godspeed. :rose:

I think I can speak for all of us here, in that , we all wish her well.
CY.
:)
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Cops don't present evidence to a jury, the DA does. snipped


Where did I say that they do?

[5swab5]

Excellent observation!
Nothing like taking the child from the room, shutting the door, maybe exploring the home for whoever did this to Michelle.
Or, better yet, getting the child to a completely safe place outside the home.
But, no, let's let her stay in the bloody room, ask her questions even!
And, some wonder why we question the call or the lack of judgement behind it.
Wow.
Kat

I guess in a perfect world, no one is ever sent to a crime scene by their BIL. I can't believe that there is zero sympathy for Meredith. Michelle was not a stranger, Meredith loved her and was forced to witness what she did, because of Jason. No One deserves to have to remember their loved one that way. NO ONE!
MOO

[janesdeaan]

Why did you take your reply out of that? To make it look like you didn't say it?

You stated:



I was just proving that statement wrong. There is no timeline on it. They stated it 2/9/09 and used the word "remains."

I honestly don't care when they started calling him that. All I know is, he is their primary suspect now. I didn't say only...but the SW clearly states PRIMARY.

You are absolutely right One. I guess no matter what is reported about Jason being the primary suspect or the lead detective stating his opinion is Jason is the killer, some posters can't accept/admit that fact!!

[janesdeaan]

The warrant says CY was clean even her feet. So she certainly wasn't walking around in her blood when LE arrived. The talk about fixing boo boos went on in the 911 call which means that MF allowed that child in the room with her dead mother. So CY has MF to thanks for the memory of fixing boo boos.

Huh ? The warrant states that Cassidy was already IN the room when Meredith got there, so she obviously already saw Michelle's injuries.That's why she was telling Meredith she wanted to fix her mommies boo boos during the 911 call. And it's quite possible Meredith washed her feet after the 911 call and before LE got there, we don't know. I've read two different takes on Cassidy and where she was when Meredith arrived, one that she was unharmed by her mothers dead body, and the other one that she was in the bed in the master bedroom. Again, we don't know. But, to try and blame Meredith for the reason Cassidy saw her mother's dead body and all her terrible injuries is just wrong ! Whoever killed Michelle is the person responsible for Cassidy seeing and remembering that horrible sight, not Meredith. And, from all we've seen and read, that person is probably her dear father, Jason Young. Sad...

[Kat4Eagles]

Huh ? The warrant states that Cassidy was already IN the room when Meredith got there, so she obviously already saw Michelle's injuries.That's why she was telling Meredith she wanted to fix her mommies boo boos during the 911 call. And it's quite possible Meredith washed her feet after the 911 call and before LE got there, we don't know. I've read two different takes on Cassidy and where she was when Meredith arrived, one that she was unharmed by her mothers dead body, and the other one that she was in the bed in the master bedroom. Again, we don't know. But, to try and blame Meredith for the reason Cassidy saw her mother's dead body and all her terrible injuries is just wrong ! Whoever killed Michelle is the person responsible for Cassidy seeing and remembering that horrible sight, not Meredith. And, from all we've seen and read, that person is probably her dear father, Jason Young. Sad...

Wherever CY might have been or not been when MF arrived, is not a reason for her not to remove the child immediately from the scene no matter what.

No excuse to leave her there one more second than she had to be.
:no:
Most adults go into prtoective mode when dealing with something that they don't want a child to see.
Ever hear of asking a child to leave the room or cover their eyes when watching a scary movie?

Why prolong what CY had to experience any longer?
And, until we get all the facts or an arrest, we really don't know what else happened with CY, such as why she is not crying or more upset..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I expect the media is going to be involved in covering CY's visit today, being this is such a high profile case, and this is a huge event.

Will someone link the article later, thanxxx.
:)
Kat

[5swab5]

You and that wagging finger of yours just gave me the best laugh I've had in ages! thank you!! I am laughing because M.F. walked into a situation that her BIL, the slayer, caused and she was in shock, and you wag your finger about what a "no no" it was for M.F. to keep the little girl in the room and totally overlook the fact that her father, the named slayer, left her there for over six hours alone!!!!!

Not to mention, if Cassidy woke up while the pounding was being delivered. :cursing: MOO

[Stellagant]

Excellent observation!
Nothing like taking the child from the room, shutting the door, maybe exploring the home for whoever did this to Michelle.
Or, better yet, getting the child to a completely safe place outside the home.
But, no, let's let her stay in the bloody room, ask her questions even!
And, some wonder why we question the call or the lack of judgement behind it.
Wow.
Kat

I think Meredith's lack of concern for the child's safety could be construed as consciousness of guilt: she knew the child wasn't in danger because she knew exactly what happened.

[Kat4Eagles]

You and that wagging finger of yours just gave me the best laugh I've had in ages! thank you!! I am laughing because M.F. walked into a situation that her BIL, the slayer, caused and she was in shock, and you wag your finger about what a "no no" it was for M.F. to keep the little girl in the room and totally overlook the fact that her father, the named slayer, left her there for over six hours alone!!!!!


All murder cases are hilarious........:rolleyes:

Kat

[Barbara2]

I expect the media is going to be involved in covering CY's visit today, being this is such a high profile case, and this is a huge event.

Will someone link the article later, thanxxx.
:)
Kat

I expect not. It is in the custody order that they are to keep the child out of the media spotlight.

[5swab5]

I think Meredith's lack of concern for the child's safety could be construed as consciousness of guilt: she knew the child wasn't in danger because she knew exactly what happened.


What kind of guilt must possess a man, to cause him to cede PRIMARY custody of his only daughter?

It starts becoming a reality in a little over an hour.
MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

So, the GJ convened again, and nothing happened?
How many meetings will that be now?
120 weeks since the murder,
I guess about 60 now.
Wow.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

What kind of guilt must possess a man, to cause him to cede PRIMARY custody of his only daughter?

It starts becoming a reality in a little over an hour.

MOO

I know it!!
Why can't they present this to a GJ and bring this person in!!
Kat

[alterEgo©]

Since Jason saw reason to admit to his mother that he gave Cassidy "watered down" :rolleyes: adult medicine, I have no problem with Cassidy remaining clean after he originally cleaned her up. MOO
Watered down Tylenol. Well here's a newsflash for ya, swabby:

Tylenol doesn't make you sleepy.

So you be fine and dandy with Cassidy being so clean, no skin off my nose.

I'm not fine with it and will continue to explore explanations.

[janesdeaan]

Wherever CY might have been or not been when MF arrived, is not a reason for her not to remove the child immediately from the scene no matter what.

No excuse to leave her there one more second than she had to be.
:no:
Most adults go into prtoective mode when dealing with something that they don't want a child to see.
Ever hear of asking a child to leave the room or cover their eyes when watching a scary movie?

Why prolong what CY had to experience any longer?
And, until we get all the facts or an arrest, we really don't know what else happened with CY, such as why she is not crying or more upset..

Kat

I believe Meredith did remove Cassidy from the room, if you listen to the 911 tape you hear her tell the operator she is outside Michelle's room, and that she is there with her daughter. So, I guess Meredith didn't make such a grand mistake after all in how she dealt with the scene and with her niece, Cassidy. She did what any caring person would do, she got Cassidy out of that room right away and called 911. My response was to the poster who was blaming Meredith for Cassidy seeing Michelle's injuries and her dead body, and I am of the opinion the person responsible for that is Cassidy's father, Jason Young. BTW, I didn't have to cover my young children's eyes so they weren't scared half to death of a scary movie, because at Cassidy's age and for some years after they didn't watch scary movies. But, that's just me...

[5swab5]

Watered down Tylenol. Well here's a newsflash for ya, swabby:

Tylenol doesn't make you sleepy.

So you be fine and dandy with Cassidy being so clean, no skin off my nose.

I'm not fine with it and will continue to explore explanations.

Even tho Tylenol may not claim to cause drowsiness, I don't think that you can claim with any degree of medical certainty that it is impossible. Especially if a child is given extra strength ADULT Tylenol.

Moot point anyway, I don't think he wanted her to sleep. I think he wanted to get rid of her permanently. Just look how easily he gave away PRIMARY custody. MOO

[Leanne Weich]

A hospital can gain Jason's consent over the telephone.

That's supposing he deigns to answer his phone and isn't talking to his latest squeeze, imo.

[janesdeaan]

I expect the media is going to be involved in covering CY's visit today, being this is such a high profile case, and this is a huge event.

Will someone link the article later, thanxxx.
:)
Kat

Didn't Meredith, Linda and Jason all agree to keep the media out of Cassidy's life as part of the custody agreement ?

[alterEgo©]

Huh ? The warrant states that Cassidy was already IN the room when Meredith got there, so she obviously already saw Michelle's injuries.That's why she was telling Meredith she wanted to fix her mommies boo boos during the 911 call. And it's quite possible Meredith washed her feet after the 911 call and before LE got there, we don't know. I've read two different takes on Cassidy and where she was when Meredith arrived, one that she was unharmed by her mothers dead body, and the other one that she was in the bed in the master bedroom. Again, we don't know. But, to try and blame Meredith for the reason Cassidy saw her mother's dead body and all her terrible injuries is just wrong ! Whoever killed Michelle is the person responsible for Cassidy seeing and remembering that horrible sight, not Meredith. And, from all we've seen and read, that person is probably her dear father, Jason Young. Sad...

Yes, we do know.

"In addition to discovering the decendent, the decendent's child was reportedly discovered by Meredith Fisher as well. She said the 2 1/2 year old was discovered under the sheets on the decenden't bed. Ms. Fisher has stated that the child was clean and her feet showed little to no signs of having walked through the blood hat had pooled around her mother. The bed sheets on the side of the bed where the child was located showed no obvious signs of blood as well. This description is in contrast to the small bloodied footprints that were found on the floor of the child's bathroom."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083976/1228503955-20081205131342180.pdf

[alterEgo©]

Even tho Tylenol may not claim to cause drowsiness, I don't think that you can claim with any degree of medical certainty that it is impossible. Especially if a child is given extra strength ADULT Tylenol.

Moot point anyway, I don't think he wanted her to sleep. I think he wanted to kill her. Look how easily he just gave away PRIMARY custody. MOOWell, yeah I can. If she got drowsy from tylenol it would be because of an OD which would NOT have her being the alert lil chatter box we hear on the 911 call.

Good grief, you are so over the top it's almost impossible to have a discussion with you.

[janesdeaan]

Yes, we do know.

"In addition to discovering the decendent, the decendent's child was reportedly discovered by Meredith Fisher as well. She said the 2 1/2 year old was discovered under the sheets on the decenden't bed. Ms. Fisher has stated that the child was clean and her feet showed little to no signs of having walked through the blood hat had pooled around her mother. The bed sheets on the side of the bed where the child was located showed no obvious signs of blood as well. This description is in contrast to the small bloodied footprints that were found on the floor of the child's bathroom."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083976/1228503955-20081205131342180.pdf



Uh, I stated that in my post, not sure what your point is. There is also a report of Meredith finding Cassidy at her mothers side, unharmed, and I posted both versions, so ..... ?

[alterEgo©]

Uh, I stated that in my post, not sure what your point is. There is also a report of Meredith finding Cassidy at her mothers side, unharmed, and I posted both versions, so ..... ?
Uh, because you said this:

And it's quite possible Meredith washed her feet after the 911 call and before LE got there, we don't know.
and
and the other one that she was in the bed in the master bedroom. Again, we don't know

:read:

[Doorbell]

LE didn't call Jason a prime suspect and you still insisted he was. I'm guessing Meredith's inconsistent statements to LE in a warrant that was sealed places her in the same category as Jason. If you don't want to believe that, fine with me.

Meredith would need a reason to put herself at the crime scene in order to explain away any forensic evidence found by LE. Such as her hair found on Michelle's hand, for example.

...And those who "insisted" that Jason was "a prime suspect" were right, weren't they?

It's only you who puts Meredith in the same category.

IMO

[Doorbell]

My links aren't insults, no matter how you try to spin it. I'm getting tired of you stating things as fact without providing links.

What info does the child have that contains her address? Her driver's license? :lol:

Shot records, school records...

[janesdeaan]

Watered down Tylenol. Well here's a newsflash for ya, swabby:

Tylenol doesn't make you sleepy.

So you be fine and dandy with Cassidy being so clean, no skin off my nose.

I'm not fine with it and will continue to explore explanations.

Acetaminophen is an effective and safe painkiller. However, if taken in excess it can be fatal. Taking an acetaminophen overdose overwhelms the liver's ability to process the drug. The excess acetaminophen is then processed into toxic chemicals, which can kill liver cells. If enough cells are killed the patient can die from liver failure.

ttp://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021040.html

This wasn't your average Tylenol product, it was Adult Extra Strength Tylenol Rapid Blast Cold Medicine, if Jason did give her this, Cassidy is lucky to be alive.

[Stellagant]

Even tho Tylenol may not claim to cause drowsiness, I don't think that you can claim with any degree of medical certainty that it is impossible. Especially if a child is given extra strength ADULT Tylenol.

Moot point anyway, I don't think he wanted her to sleep. I think he wanted to get rid of her permanently. Just look how easily he gave away PRIMARY custody. MOO

According to the investigator who wrote the search warrant, he believes the Tylenol was given in the "mistaken belief" it caused drowsiness. I'm pretty sure he would have checked with a medical expert before arriving at his conclusion.

If Jason wanted to get rid of CY permanently, he would have given Meredith sole custody. He didn't do that.

[Stellagant]

Acetaminophen is an effective and safe painkiller. However, if taken in excess it can be fatal. Taking an acetaminophen overdose overwhelms the liver's ability to process the drug. The excess acetaminophen is then processed into toxic chemicals, which can kill liver cells. If enough cells are killed the patient can die from liver failure.

ttp://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021040.html

This wasn't your average Tylenol product, it was Adult Extra Strength Tylenol Rapid Blast Cold Medicine, if Jason did give her this, Cassidy is lucky to be alive.

Really? How about a link to your claim the child was given an overdose? Such damage is permanent, btw.

[Stellagant]

Shot records, school records...

And Jason shares in those decisions.

[5swab5]

Acetaminophen is an effective and safe painkiller. However, if taken in excess it can be fatal. Taking an acetaminophen overdose overwhelms the liver's ability to process the drug. The excess acetaminophen is then processed into toxic chemicals, which can kill liver cells. If enough cells are killed the patient can die from liver failure.

ttp://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021040.html

This wasn't your average Tylenol product, it was Adult Extra Strength Tylenol Rapid Blast Cold Medicine, if Jason did give her this, Cassidy is lucky to be alive.

Thank You JanesDean,

I have never used the stuff, but you can bet that I will check it out the next time I am near a Pharmacy. I always associate cold meds with a "drowsiness" warning. MOO

[5swab5]

And Jason shares in those decisions.

For the time being.

Gonna be hard to do, from either 330 Salisbury Street or 1300 Western Boulevard. MOO

[5swab5]

(snipped)

If Jason wanted to get rid of CY permanently, he would have given Meredith sole custody. He didn't do that.

I doubt his mommy would let him. Hard to argue with the one keeping the roof over your head. MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I think Meredith's lack of concern for the child's safety could be construed as consciousness of guilt: she knew the child wasn't in danger because she knew exactly what happened.

Thank you. I needed that.

[janesdeaan]

Uh, because you said this:

And it's quite possible Meredith washed her feet after the 911 call and before LE got there, we don't know.
and
and the other one that she was in the bed in the master bedroom. Again, we don't know

:read:

Yes, that's what I posted all right ! And, it was reported both ways, near her mother's body unharmed and in the bed in the master bedroom. So, we don't know.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Watered down Tylenol. Well here's a newsflash for ya, swabby:

Tylenol doesn't make you sleepy.

So you be fine and dandy with Cassidy being so clean, no skin off my nose.

I'm not fine with it and will continue to explore explanations.

It looks like the Pancof will knock you for a loop. JY could have cleaned Cy, given her a dose of the Pancof, and headed back to his business trip.

I'm full grown and some of those cough meds knock me right out. I can imagine what it would do to a child.

[janesdeaan]

Really? How about a link to your claim the child was given an overdose? Such damage is permanent, btw.

Read my post, I said IF

[janesdeaan]

It looks like the Pancof will knock you for a loop. JY could have cleaned Cy, given her a dose of the Pancof, and headed back to his business trip.

I'm full grown and some of those cough meds knock me right out. I can imagine what it would do to a child.

Last time I posted this, things went south, but I believe in the SW it does state that they tested the Pancof dropper for DNA, not the Tylenol one. So, either way, giving Cassidy the drugs found in her room could have easily killed her. The plot certainly thickens with these facts, huh ?

[Stellagant]

Yes, that's what I posted all right ! And, it was reported both ways, near her mother's body unharmed and in the bed in the master bedroom. So, we don't know.

We may never know. Meredith's conflicting statements seem to be a pattern with her.

[Stellagant]

Last time I posted this, things went south, but I believe in the SW it does state that they tested the Pancof dropper for DNA, not the Tylenol one. So, either way, giving Cassidy the drugs found in her room could have easily killed her. The plot certainly thickens with these facts, huh ?

All drugs run the risk of toxicity if given in overdose. The search warrant that was sealed states they tested the dropper nearest the Tylenol that appeared to have Tylenol residual.

[Leanne Weich]

We may never know. Meredith's conflicting statements seem to be a pattern with her.

It appears to be only a concern to people trying to deflect attention from Jason - doesn't appear LE or the DA feel the same way.

[janesdeaan]

We may never know. Meredith's conflicting statements seem to be a pattern with her.

I wasn't referring to Meredith, I was speaking of the media and search warrants.

[janesdeaan]

All drugs run the risk of toxicity if given in overdose. The search warrant that was sealed states they tested the dropper nearest the Tylenol that appeared to have Tylenol residual.

Not in the latest search warrant, it said Pancof.

[awareness]

I think I can speak for all of us here, in that , we all wish her well.
CY.
:)
Kat

I sure do wish Cassidy well. Im overjoyed Cassidy will be starting the next phase of her life where she belongs IMO. Im also happy for Meredith and Linda.


JMO

[awareness]

So, the GJ convened again, and nothing happened?
How many meetings will that be now?
120 weeks since the murder,
I guess about 60 now.
Wow.

Kat

Keep counting down, the world is depending on it!
JMO

[jerry50]

Oh, gosh, I sure hope she never has to make another 911 call.
:(
Kat


Unless JY prints another ebay auction, kills someone else and calls her to pick up the print out she probably won't have that chance again.

[janesdeaan]

Not in the latest search warrant, it said Pancof.

Here's the excerpt:

"Pancof PD is noteworthy because of it's possible sleep inducing effects. A Pancof PD dropper was also discovered on the shelves and was seized for additional testing." "A Pancof PD dropper that was seized from Cassidy Young's bedroom at the Birchleaf scene was analyzed and compared to known DNA samples. The SBI Lab Report states the following: "The partial DNA sample obtained from the dropper MATCHED the DNA profile obtained from Cassidy Young
and DID NOT MATCH the DNA profiles of Michelle Young..."


http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2009/2/10/YoungWarrants.pdf

[Stellagant]

Not in the latest search warrant, it said Pancof.

Doesn't matter. The more recent warrant did not say there was Pancof residue in the dropper.

[Kat4Eagles]

Keep counting down, the world is depending on it!
JMO

When a case goes on as long as this one has, there is going
to be a lot more countdowns !!
:wink:

Kat