February 20th ..# 2

[FrankieBones1]

New thread.
Let's try to keep it on topic and be kind.

The Red Rav....Did Joe drive a Red Rav?

[emdragon]

Deb is right it was Crystal Cummings Ron's sister not Crystal Haleigh's mother.

[need2no]

New thread.

Whew.......the other thread got closed so fast I thought the worst. :scared:

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[emdragon]

New thread.
Let's try to keep it on topic and be kind.

The Red Rav....Did Joe drive a Red Rav?

I don't think the Red Rav has anything to do with Joe- at least it wasn't his since it had FL plates

[Deb7]

Deb is right it was Crystal Cummings Ron's sister not Crystal Haleigh's mother.

Thanks Em! :)

[bama__angel]

New thread.
Let's try to keep it on topic and be kind.

The Red Rav....Did Joe drive a Red Rav?



ITA Frankie.........Haleigh's family isnt here for our own personal amusement......I cant think of anything worse than the reason we know this family...........

I think "Joe" droves a Red Rav.......according to earlier posts I read

[Rick777]

earlier I heard that a male AND A FEMALE were seen with what might be Haleigh. They seemed to go away from a female being there now.?

[bama__angel]

ITA Frankie.........Haleigh's family isnt here for our own personal amusement......I cant think of anything worse than the reason we know this family...........

I think "Joe" droves a Red Rav.......according to earlier posts I read



Ok So I dont know anything about what vehicle Joe drives...... please disregard above statement concerning Red Rav.

[sunstar]

Did I hear correctly that Ron's gun was found in a ditch?

[FrankieBones1]

Haleigh's mom was just seen in a vid on Nancy talking about the pink shirt. Her name is Crystal Sheffield.

Earlier, Misty was talking about finding a pink shirt in the laundry pile and showed it to the dets.

Now, in the police radio exchange, the person tells the cruiser that the girl was last seen in her PJs.

Can anyone make any sense of this?

[Rick777]

Did I hear correctly that Ron's gun was found in a ditch?

Yes, which is amazing since he has no enemies, no altercation, no nothing.

[emdragon]

earlier I heard that a male AND A FEMALE were seen with what might be Haleigh. They seemed to go away from a female being there now.?

Joe and the sighting are two totally different things. Joe exists and the toyota sighting was never confirmed by LE on the scene.

[Rick777]

Joe and the sighting are two totally different things. Joe exists and the toyota sighting was never confirmed by LE on the scene.


But the sighting and Joe are both in Tennessee....right?

[sunstar]

Yes, which is amazing since he has no enemies, no altercation, no nothing.

On Nancy's show, his mother just said the "gun incident" was 2 wks. before Haleigh went missing. :sneaky:

[Peaches]

Thanks Em! :)

Please remember these people loved Haleigh and are doing their best to keep her name out there in hopes of finding her alive.

If I had lost my daughter/granddaughter/etc, I just might forget to comb my hair but would want to do all I could to help locate her.

I certainly would not care if everyone approved of my hair/clohes/etc.

[bluwaters]

Thanks Frankie!
That was a bumpy ride...

I have a request please...
There are so many good links being posted to the daily threads.
Could those of you who find them post them to the Links thread as well?
They will be easier to find down the road, and we will want to find them in the future.
Thanks!

Links (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349041)

[Rick777]

On Nancy's show, his mother just said the "gun incident" was 2 wks. before Haleigh went missing. :sneaky:


oh..ok...so there WAS an incident? Maybe someone should let Ron know.

[FrankieBones1]

Did I hear correctly that Ron's gun was found in a ditch?

I heard that the other day but I will not believe it until I hear it from law enforcement. Just too many rumors out there.

[sunstar]

I heard that the other day but I will not believe it until I hear it from law enforcement. Just too many rumors out there.

Oh ~ so the gun LE found hasn't been confirmed to be Ron's? :confused:

[cantstandnuts]

ITA Frankie.........Haleigh's family isnt here for our own personal amusement......I cant think of anything worse than the reason we know this family...........

I think "Joe" droves a Red Rav.......according to earlier posts I read

Haleigh's family isnt here for our own personal amusement......I cant think of anything worse than the reason we know this family...........

So true and this is so very sad. I hope they find her alive. I am praying for that. :crying:

[Rick777]

Are you sure she didn't say two weeks ago?


good catch SC!

[Peaches]

Has the camper arrived for Ron?

[breeze53]

Oh ~ so the gun LE found hasn't been confirmed to be Ron's? :confused:

I wonder if they found a gun at the trailer?

[StickyBeak]

At the Presser today, LE said All relatives have been questioned.

Well, I am thinking Joe, this cousin of Misty is Not a relative. Misty is not a relative. Leads me to believe the immediate family has been questioned and polygraphs completed.

This Sighting of Haleigh with someone covering her face, did this not occur in tennessee at the Carrabas restaurant? Sorry, if I am confused.

This Joe lives in tenn. and last I read on this thread, the FBI was questioning him. But, the media seems to be chompin at the bit IMO

[Deb7]

Please remember these people loved Haleigh and are doing their best to keep her name out there in hopes of finding her alive.

If I had lost my daughter/granddaughter/etc, I just might forget to comb my hair but would want to do all I could to help locate her.

I certainly would not care if everyone approved of my hair/clohes/etc.

Huh?
All I was quoted for saying was that Crystal Cummings is Ron's sister not his ex who happens to be Crystal Sheffield.

I haven't made any sort of comment on them otherwise.
JMO

[emdragon]

But the sighting and Joe are both in Tennessee....right?

Right.

Which makes the sighting as well as the cousin even more interesting, They just can't be connected.

[catdoc]

Just so I'll know in the future, was the other thread closed because of Crystal C's hair, uhh...."malfunction"?

[sunstar]

Are you sure she didn't say two weeks ago?

I'm sorry :sad: maybe she did and I heard her incorrectly. That still wouldn't be the same evening Haleigh went missing though.

[Rick777]

Just so I'll know in the future, was the other thread closed because of Crystal C's hair, uhh...."malfunction"?


*L* shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[emdragon]

At the Presser today, LE said All relatives have been questioned.

Well, I am thinking Joe, this cousin of Misty is Not a relative. Misty is not a relative. Leads me to believe the immediate family has been questioned and polygraphs completed.

This Sighting of Haleigh with someone covering her face, did this not occur in tennessee at the Carrabas restaurant? Sorry, if I am confused.

This Joe lives in tenn. and last I read on this thread, the FBI was questioning him. But, the media seems to be chompin at the bit IMO

It sounded clear at the presser that LE is considering Misti and her cousin as "relatives" since that comment was made in reference to questions about Joe/

[HumblePie]

Just so I'll know in the future, was the other thread closed because of Crystal C's hair, uhh...."malfunction"?

I assume so and I apologize if referring to it was a mop was wrong. However, I thought I was being kind. Nuff said. :blushing:

[sunstar]

LE didn't find a gun.

Nothing personal, sunstar, but it's getting crazy in here tonight with all the misinformation by people who haven't been keeping up!

OK, I'm just listening to what's being said on Nancy's show.

[Rick777]

I'm sorry :sad: maybe she did and I heard her incorrectly. That still wouldn't be the same evening Haleigh went missing though.



Close enough to be a vengeful situation.

[Rick777]

Ron's trailer just arrived.

[n/t]

I heard that the other day but I will not believe it until I hear it from law enforcement. Just too many rumors out there.

That's what I don't get. Why all these rumours? I'm watching Nancy Grace and sit there just shaking my head.

Who came out with the story about the fight Ron and the cousin had about a gun? Was it Misty? Was it Ron's mom? If it was Ron's mom why is she changing her story? And why is Ron denying it?

It also amazes me when family members are asked about certain things known to the media, they say they know nothing?? Is LE keeping them in the dark? This case is so full of contradictions and inconsistencies that I can't get anything straight.

[Peaches]

Huh?
All I was quoted for saying was that Crystal Cummings is Ron's sister not his ex who happens to be Crystal Sheffield.

I haven't made any sort of comment on them otherwise.
JMO


You are correct but others were making fun of her hair............saying mop on her head, etc.

Was not really responding to anyone in particular just in general.

Did not mean to offend. Just stating how I might feel if in these shos.

[FrankieBones1]

Oh ~ so the gun LE found hasn't been confirmed to be Ron's? :confused:

But that's just it. I, myself, have not heard it from LE. Haven't had a lot of time to spend watching all the updates on TV the past few days.
So...did LE actually come out and tell the media that they found Ron's baretta in a ditch?

[Rick777]

Well......until LE confirms something....ANYTHING....rumors will run amuck.

[playnice]

Just walked in the door to hear NG say Ron got ready to go search today and no one showed up to help. This reminds me so much when AMW showed Mark Lunsford driving down the road asking people to help no matter what they thought of him help him find his daughter.
My heart just breaks for this family., I wish I could do something to help them.

[bluwaters]

Ron's trailer just arrived.
Thank goodness.
It's a cold night tonight.
I hope that they can manage to get some sleep.

[Peaches]

Ron's trailer just arrived.


GREAT! How did you get this information?

[Deb7]

You are correct but others were making fun of her hair............saying mop on her head, etc.

Was not really responding to anyone in particular just in general.

Did not mean to offend. Just stating how I might feel if in these shos.

Gotcha, I thought that you thought it was me doing that and I just wanted to clear it up.

:seeya:

[cutiepatootie61]

Just poppin in tonight, gotta express my weeping heart for Ron, I am so saddened no volunteers showed up to help him search for his baby! I wish I didn't live across the country, I'd search with him for this precious little girl. This is just killing me. :sad:

[Rick777]

I'm not a basher of LE, but I will be pissed off if this little girl is found dead and the LE never put more out there to the public to help find her.

[n/t]

LE didn't find a gun.

Nothing personal, sunstar, but it's getting crazy in here tonight with all the misinformation by people who haven't been keeping up!

Oh please. Don't blame the people in here getting misinformation. We're getting our information from what's being reported in the news. Yes there is misinformation but it ain't coming from us. The misinformation is coming from the sources whether it be the media or the people directly involved in this case.

We don't make things up. They said tonight on NG that a gun was found in the ditch and that's what's being reported and Ron's mother acknowledged it as true. Whether she heard it from the media or got it directly from LE we don't know because she wasn't asked.

[Rick777]

GREAT! How did you get this information?


NG was showing it pull up LIVE.

[breeze53]

New thread.
Let's try to keep it on topic and be kind.

The Red Rav....Did Joe drive a Red Rav?

Another cousin of Misty's Brandon Overstreet I think if you look you will see her in 1 of his pics he says shes his cuz. Its a much younger looking pic of her but if you look at this pic and the one of her being interviewed you can tell it's her by the mole on her right cheek.


http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b

[Peaches]

Just walked in the door to hear NG say Ron got ready to go search today and no one showed up to help. This reminds me so much when AMW showed Mark Lunsford driving down the road asking people to help no matter what they thought of him help him find his daughter.
My heart just breaks for this family., I wish I could do something to help them.


So do I. If I were close enough I would take food/help search.........I hope others are doing this!

Thank God someone sent the camper!

[HumblePie]

I'm not a basher of LE, but I will be pissed off if this little girl is found dead and the LE never put more out there to the public to help find her.

I agree and have mixed feelings about the effort by LE in this case. First time, I've ever felt this way. :thumbdown:

[Peaches]

Gotcha, I thought that you thought it was me doing that and I just wanted to clear it up.

:seeya:


NO, and thank you for understanding!

[IlliniFan]

Anyone watch Geraldo talk w/O'Reilly about this case a few minutes ago?????

[Rick777]

Anyone watch Geralod talk w/O'Reilly about this case a few minutes ago?????


Oh crap! I forgot about that! What was geraldo's bombshell about Ron????

[sunstar]

But that's just it. I, myself, have not heard it from LE. Haven't had a lot of time to spend watching all the updates on TV the past few days.
So...did LE actually come out and tell the media that they found Ron's baretta in a ditch?

Unfortunately I can't keep up too much while I'm at work, so the first news I get is from Nancy. :shrug:

[IlliniFan]

Oh crap! I forgot about that! What was geraldo's bombshell about Ron????

Go to WS and read the thread Geraldo2/20/09...

I don't want to post it...I didn't see the show, just read the info from those that watched on WS.

[Peaches]

NG was showing it pull up LIVE.


Thanks..............I can not watch because of little ones here! Maybe I can catch it at 10 when they are asleep.

[StickyBeak]

It sounded clear at the presser that LE is considering Misti and her cousin as "relatives" since that comment was made in reference to questions about Joe/


TY for your reply, when push comes to shove, Misty is not a relative of Haleigh, nor her cousin IMO. So now I have just another bee in my bonnet.

I also believe LE had just about enough today at the presser, especially with the wanna be Miss NY Times reporter, JMO. They are doing the best job they know how in this situation and their goal is Haleigh.
I am glad there are no more unwanted media influences to muck it up.

Haleighs Dad is right, this is all about bringing a little girl home safely regardless of his involvement with Misty or his life style in the past.

Lets just focus on Haleigh, is has been too long already IMO

[FrankieBones1]

Another cousin of Misty's Brandon Overstreet I think if you look you will see her in 1 of his pics he says shes his cuz. Its a much younger looking pic of her but if you look at this pic and the one of her being interviewed you can tell it's her by the mole on her right cheek.


http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b

There are sixty nine pics on that page. Where about's is the pic?

[Rick777]

Leonard Padilla has been missing about as long as Haleigh. Coincedence?







I'm teasing........just trying to lighten it up a little....

[sunstar]

Leonard Padilla has been missing about as long as Haleigh. Coincedence?

I'm teasing........just trying to lighten it up a little....

:smile: I'm surprised too.

[Tia]

Whew.......the other thread got closed so fast I thought the worst. :scared:

I was just sitting over there.........waiting:cursing:

NG said there were NO volunteers today. I wonder if people are frustrated with Misty's changing stories?

[Rick777]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "

[Peaches]

TY for your reply, when push comes to shove, Misty is not a relative of Haleigh, nor her cousin IMO. So now I have just another bee in my bonnet.

I also believe LE had just about enough today at the presser, especially with the wanna be Miss NY Times reporter, JMO. They are doing the best job they know how in this situation and their goal is Haleigh.
I am glad there are no more unwanted media influences to muck it up.

Haleighs Dad is right, this is all about bringing a little girl home safely regardless of his involvement with Misty or his life style in the past.

Lets just focus on Haleigh, is has been too long already IMO

And Miss NY Times wanna be acted as if she was the only one who was allowed to ask a question.

I did not like her attitude at all.

It is all about Haleigh and the LE must do what they think - in their professional opinion - all that is necessary to bring this young girl home safely.

[playnice]

I was just sitting over there.........waiting:cursing:

NG said there were NO volunteers today. I wonder if people are frustrated with Misty's changing stories?

When Mr Lunsford was getting bad stuff about his past People stopped coming out to help Mark search.
I would hope regardless how they feel about the family they would remember their is a little girl that needs to be found.

[VC2]

That's what I don't get. Why all these rumours? I'm watching Nancy Grace and sit there just shaking my head.

Who came out with the story about the fight Ron and the cousin had about a gun? Was it Misty? Was it Ron's mom? If it was Ron's mom why is she changing her story? And why is Ron denying it?

It also amazes me when family members are asked about certain things known to the media, they say they know nothing?? Is LE keeping them in the dark? This case is so full of contradictions and inconsistencies that I can't get anything straight.

crystal cummings said that they found out alot from the media. Seems LE is keeping them in the dark :(

my heart broke when his mom said that ron couldn't/hasn't come out of the tent all day bc he had no one to go search with, and being idle makes it hard for him (makes sense he does not go alone, plus he doesn't have the 4 wheelers or horses for some areas)

[emdragon]

No. There is a ton of misinformation that started swirling around about an hour ago in here for some reason! All of this stuff has been cleared up days ago.

I love your nick-- it is so right on when it comes to this place in general, so many times on so many cases I just want to stop and scream that I need a sanity check!

I spend more time correcting miss information than anything else with this case. So many people jump to the conclusion that the media is right and the family is lying instead of stopping to think the media is just wrong or exaggerating.

[sunstar]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "
Now this is stuff I really want a confirmation from LE on. :scared: I'm sure Geraldo will have more details on his show over the weekend, but this definitely is troubling, if true. MOO

[breeze53]

There are sixty nine pics on that page. Where about's is the pic?


Sorry page 1 9th picture she has on tons of eye make up.

[FrankieBones1]

Crystal Sheffield has a baby named 'Chloe'.

What a coincidence that Geraldo would say that Ron fathered another child with Amber called 'Chloe'.

I hope it is not true that Haleigh was battered. I will only believe it if I see the pic for myself.

[Peaches]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "


OH..............this is so sad............say it is not so!

Why in this world would the officials at her school not report abuse. They are required by law to do so. They can be charged ------I know that this is true because my children are teachers and my neigbor works with SS.

Haleigh..................what has her little life been like?

Her mother is no better if all I have read about her is true..........and to live so far away that she does not see her children often is very telling to me. Not interested.............MOO

[StickyBeak]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "


:scared: Please say it isn't so

[Rick777]

Now this is stuff I really want a confirmation from LE on. :scared: I'm sure Geraldo will have more details on his show over the weekend, but this definitely is troubling, if true. MOO



It does not faze me because I am one who said Ron is a hothead. SO many want to make him the "good father" type, but I never saw it. (Assumming this is true of course.)

[emdragon]

Oh please. Don't blame the people in here getting misinformation. We're getting our information from what's being reported in the news. Yes there is misinformation but it ain't coming from us. The misinformation is coming from the sources whether it be the media or the people directly involved in this case.

We don't make things up. They said tonight on NG that a gun was found in the ditch and that's what's being reported and Ron's mother acknowledged it as true. Whether she heard it from the media or got it directly from LE we don't know because she wasn't asked.

I don't want to be argumentative and I do agree that much of the misinformation comes from the media there has also been a lot of posters who post a theory as fact and then posters come along and read that post and they think it is a fact and it just keeps growing.

[MoonFlwr]

Just walked in the door to hear NG say Ron got ready to go search today and no one showed up to help. This reminds me so much when AMW showed Mark Lunsford driving down the road asking people to help no matter what they thought of him help him find his daughter.
My heart just breaks for this family., I wish I could do something to help them.

Wow....I didn't realise Mark Lunsford actually said that..."No matter what you think of me"!

[playnice]

Now this is stuff I really want a confirmation from LE on. :scared: I'm sure Geraldo will have more details on his show over the weekend, but this definitely is troubling, if true. MOO

Would rather hear it from someone besides Geraldo. If true very shocking and Ron is a darn good actor because I felt raw pain listening to him.

[IlliniFan]

Yeah, I am always reluctant to blindly believe Geraldo.

The Mod at WS is closing that thread. Maybe we shouldn't discuss it here either.

He didn't show the picture, nor do we know the circumstances around it.

[march27]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "



Oh no I hope this isnt true but for some reason I have a feeling it could be. JMO

[playnice]

Wow....I didn't realise Mark Lunsford actually said that..."No matter what you think of me"!

IIRc he said no matter what you think about me and my family.That was when archie was being investigated and his past came out and GM didnt pass the poly. It made me bawl like a baby.

[Tia]

When Mr Lunsford was getting bad stuff about his past People stopped coming out to help Mark search.
I would hope regardless how they feel about the family they would remember their is a little girl that needs to be found.

So would I. But after Casey, I am wondering if people may feel its a waste of time, that maybe Misty knows exactly where she is.

Just throwing it out there, may not be the case at all.

[HumblePie]

Yeah, I am always reluctant to blindly believe Geraldo.

The Mod at WS is closing that thread. Maybe we shouldn't discuss it here either.

He didn't show the picture, nor do we know the circumstances around it.

Good idea. It's better not to spread this around. People will accept it as gospel, which isn't right. :mellow:

[SavannahStar]

Just walked in the door to hear NG say Ron got ready to go search today and no one showed up to help. This reminds me so much when AMW showed Mark Lunsford driving down the road asking people to help no matter what they thought of him help him find his daughter.
My heart just breaks for this family., I wish I could do something to help them.


Oh no! :sad:

I wasn't watching NG. Just catching up on here......

[Rick777]

Good idea. It's better not to spread this around. People will accept it as gospel, which isn't right. :mellow:


Geraldo said it on national T.V., so he's spreading it.....not us.

[Peaches]

It does not faze me because I am one who said Ron is a hothead. SO many want to make him the "good father" type, but I never saw it. (Assumming this is true of course.)


I am not sure a "good father" is how many of see Ron but I do see him as one who loves his children. I see a man in pain. I see a man doing all he can to find his child.

All parents make mistakes. Some more than others.

I do not see Ron as a person who has done away with his child.

[breeze53]

It does not faze me because I am one who said Ron is a hothead. SO many want to make him the "good father" type, but I never saw it. (Assumming this is true of course.)

Me either. This poor child hasnt had a fair chance at all if this is true.

[MoonFlwr]

So would I. But after Casey, I am wondering if people may feel its a waste of time, that maybe Misty knows exactly where she is.

Just throwing it out there, may not be the case at all.

Interesting thought....and there's probably a chance it could slant peoples' opinions on future 'similar cases'.

[VC2]

OH..............this is so sad............say it is not so!

Why in this world would the officials at her school not report abuse. They are required by law to do so. They can be charged ------I know that this is true because my children are teachers and my neigbor works with SS.

Haleigh..................what has her little life been like?

Her mother is no better if all I have read about her is true..........and to live so far away that she does not see her children often is very telling to me. Not interested.............MOO

well 3 things with this supposed info

1. Her teacher said she was a happy normal girl.

2. Rons "excuse" that it happened at school..uhh that would be a real lousy excuse if not true. School has teachers and other kids around so think a gallon of salt is needed. Apart from your point about reporting abuse, insane to say it happened at school if it didnt. Fall out of a tree at home perhaps but at school? to many witnesses there if its a lie.

3. Cops would be far more interested in the dad than in misti and any relatives if this was true imo. They seem to have stayed pretty far away from Ron, as in not targeting him.

(ok a 4th..geraldo often lies thru his teeth and if he shows this pic he should be fired, not bc of legality but without proof of what occurred..just wrong)
imo

[emdragon]

Yeah, I am always reluctant to blindly believe Geraldo.

The Mod at WS is closing that thread. Maybe we shouldn't discuss it here either.

He didn't show the picture, nor do we know the circumstances around it.

See this is just what i was talking about the media reports something it gets posted somewhere and now true or not people will believe it is.

Here is what I honestly believe- if the picture is authentic and Ron responsible then a)the school would have reported it b)Crystal would have been in court asap and c) the kids would have been removed from the home then.

[playnice]

Interesting thought....and there's probably a chance it could slant peoples' opinions on future 'similar cases'.


It was obvious from the get go that Casey did something to Caylee. This case, its hard to tell who the bad guy is.

[~jomomma~]

Geraldo said it on national T.V., so he's spreading it.....not us.

i hope he is wrong

[sunstar]

It does not faze me because I am one who said Ron is a hothead. SO many want to make him the "good father" type, but I never saw it. (Assumming this is true of course.)

I do think he has a quick temper after hearing him on the 911 call. MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal Sheffield has a baby named 'Chloe'.

What a coincidence that Geraldo would say that Ron fathered another child with Amber called 'Chloe'.

I hope it is not true that Haleigh was battered. I will only believe it if I see the pic for myself.


Ditto Frankie, and I was thinking the same thing. Between Geraldo running off at the mouth about the baby and the idea the baby would be the same name as Crystal Sheffield's as well as his penchant for blowing things out of proportion and the idea he's had it in for Ron IMO....I'm going to say I MIGHT NEED A CERTIFIED COPY MYSELF to believe GERALDO...

but that's JUST ME. :thumbdown:

[playnice]

See this is just what i was talking about the media reports something it gets posted somewhere and now true or not people will believe it is.

Here is what I honestly believe- if the picture is authentic and Ron responsible then a)the school would have reported it b)Crystal would have been in court asap and c) the kids would have been removed from the home then.

If this is coming from Crystals family I would think it would have been the golden egg for her to get her kids back. And no one reported it? They had pics, proof?

[n/t]

OK...I went back to check where the story about the fight came from....and here it is. Who do we believe?:thumbdown:
====

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Croslin's cousin visited Putnam County days before Haleigh's disappearance. Neves said the cousin and Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings, got into a fight about a gun during that visit. She also said the cousin left town the same day Haleigh disappeared.

Ronald Cummings denies that fight ever happened.

"There was no fight with no cousin over a gun," said Ronald Cummings.


http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Developments-in-TN/F7bHkZR8Y02bZFU_CnxzoQ.cspx

[CANDYKISSES]

well 3 things with this supposed info

1. Her teacher said she was a happy normal girl.

2. Rons "excuse" that it happened at school..uhh that would be a real lousy excuse if not true. School has teachers and other kids around so think a gallon of salt is needed. Apart from your point about reporting abuse, insane to say it happened at school if it didnt. Fall out of a tree at home perhaps but at school? to many witnesses there if its a lie.

3. Cops would be far more interested in the dad than in misti and any relatives if this was true imo. They seem to have stayed pretty far away from Ron, as in not targeting him.

(ok a 4th..geraldo often lies thru his teeth and if he shows this pic he should be fired, not bc of legality but without proof of what occurred..just wrong)
imo

Isn't that the TRUTH?:scared:

[Tia]

It was obvious from the get go that Casey did something to Caylee. This case, its hard to tell who the bad guy is.

True, but with the CA case still so fresh, and in the same state, it could have some influence on the volunteers, especially with all the questioning of Misty.

[Rick777]

Listen folks........there would be no point in even having a Haleigh Cummings thread if we had to rely on CONFIRMED findings because there are none! People on TV may be right, or they may be wrong, but to say we can't discuss what some say they are finding is a joke. Geraldo may be wrong, but he is as much a "source" as some relative quoted in a florida newspaper. No?

[IlliniFan]

See this is just what i was talking about the media reports something it gets posted somewhere and now true or not people will believe it is.

Here is what I honestly believe- if the picture is authentic and Ron responsible then a)the school would have reported it b)Crystal would have been in court asap and c) the kids would have been removed from the home then.


You think I should contact CW to have it deleted?

[Rick777]

if WS deletes the post, does that make it untrue? hmmmmmm..

[Peaches]

well 3 things with this supposed info

1. Her teacher said she was a happy normal girl.

2. Rons "excuse" that it happened at school..uhh that would be a real lousy excuse if not true. School has teachers and other kids around so think a gallon of salt is needed. Apart from your point about reporting abuse, insane to say it happened at school if it didnt. Fall out of a tree at home perhaps but at school? to many witnesses there if its a lie.

3. Cops would be far more interested in the dad than in misti and any relatives if this was true imo. They seem to have stayed pretty far away from Ron, as in not targeting him.

(ok a 4th..geraldo often lies thru his teeth and if he shows this pic he should be fired, not bc of legality but without proof of what occurred..just wrong)
imo


Good post. I too remember reading that the teachers said she was a happy child.

I pray that they find this child soon and that she is alive!

[Rick777]

You think I should contact CW to have it deleted?

If it makes you feel good to do that, go for it.

[sunstar]

Excellent points, TREE TREE! :smile:

I have a lot of problems with a perp coming into the house undetected and now maybe changing Haleigh's clothes before leaving? I don't think it makes Misty any more credible to "find" the pink shirt in the laundry pile when she could've realized they'd find it anyway. MOO

[HumblePie]

if WS deletes the post, does that make it untrue? hmmmmmm..

No. O/T, sorry CW but I moderate a board like this and often it's easier just to close down the thread if people continue to "report" posts. It's a pain in the neck trying to please everyone. :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Crystal Sheffield has a baby named 'Chloe'.

What a coincidence that Geraldo would say that Ron fathered another child with Amber called 'Chloe'.

I hope it is not true that Haleigh was battered. I will only believe it if I see the pic for myself.


Bolding to address: same here.

[Rick777]

Personally.....I have yet to see one person in this entire family that I find "credible".

[playnice]

Listen folks........there would be no point in even having a Haleigh Cummings thread if we had to rely on CONFIRMED findings because there are none! People on TV may be right, or they may be wrong, but to say we can't discuss what some say they are finding is a joke. Geraldo may be wrong, but he is as much a "source" as some relative quoted in a florida newspaper. No?

You are right. It was in the media .
Everyone can choose to discuss it or stay out of it.
I personally choose to stay out of it because I would like it to be confirmed first. That is a really serious allegation and could seriously cause damage to that family and with getting help they need.
I wish LE would step up and put to rest some of the rumors if they arent true.

[IlliniFan]

I sent people over there to read. I don't want to violate TOS.

However, I'm sure GR will be on tomorrow talking about it in Satsuma.

[sunstar]

Listen folks........there would be no point in even having a Haleigh Cummings thread if we had to rely on CONFIRMED findings because there are none! People on TV may be right, or they may be wrong, but to say we can't discuss what some say they are finding is a joke. Geraldo may be wrong, but he is as much a "source" as some relative quoted in a florida newspaper. No?

I agree and let's just see if he has anything to back up his story. MOO

[3Monkeys]

See this is just what i was talking about the media reports something it gets posted somewhere and now true or not people will believe it is.

Here is what I honestly believe- if the picture is authentic and Ron responsible then a)the school would have reported it b)Crystal would have been in court asap and c) the kids would have been removed from the home then.

bolding is mine.

It's a bit of a vicious cycle though - if the media doesn't report anything, we have nothing to discuss, then the topic fizzles and Haleigh will no longer be in the headlines.

I'm not sure what the 'happy' medium is???

Someone mentioned earlier about keeping up with the case... gosh, I spend far too much time reading about this, listening to press conferences etc. etc. and I STILL can't keep up, or I forget details.

JMO.

[playnice]

Excellent points, TREE TREE! :smile:

I have a lot of problems with a perp coming into the house undetected and now maybe changing Haleigh's clothes before leaving? I don't think it makes Misty any more credible to "find" the pink shirt in the laundry pile when she could've realized they'd find it anyway. MOO

She must of forgot what Hayleigh was wearing. Frankly, I do not see a kidnapper stopping to change clothes either. I think they would want to get the hell out of Dodge before they got caught.

[Tia]

You are right. It was in the media .
Everyone can choose to discuss it or stay out of it.
I personally choose to stay out of it because I would like it to be confirmed first. That is a really serious allegation and could seriously cause damage to that family and with getting help they need.
I wish LE would step up and put to rest some of the rumors if they arent true.


Thats a HUGE problem here too. Every time there is a PC, nothing new is learned. Its like the boy who cried wolf. One of these times, something important is going to be said and by then, no one will be paying attention.

LE needs to keep people more informed (especially volunteers). They are not going to volunteer to search if they don't know what is going on or where LE is thinking Hayleigh may be.

[Rick777]

I can't stand Geraldo! But he has a big ego, and he would look like crap to come out with this and have it be wrong. He must think he has something.

[Peaches]

She must of forgot what Hayleigh was wearing. Frankly, I do not see a kidnapper stopping to change clothes either. I think they would want to get the hell out of Dodge before they got caught.


Or, Haleigh changed the shirt herself and Misty did not know about it because she was asleep. No one knows for sure.

[emdragon]

You think I should contact CW to have it deleted?

no. it was being discussed other places and people here would have picked it up sooner or later anyway. i just wish people would take this kind of unconfirmed rumor for what it is.

[Adalena935]

Good idea. It's better not to spread this around. People will accept it as gospel, which isn't right. :mellow:

People have thrown around the abduction angle and there's no evidence to show that.

At this point no one knows what happened to the poor child.

Sheriff said there's no sigh of breakin (as the dad has stated). FBI said there's no evidence of anyone having been in the house (to steal the child. FBI said the majority of children abused is by a parent or caregiver.
Source: CNN

[n/t]

Excellent points, TREE TREE! :smile:

I have a lot of problems with a perp coming into the house undetected and now maybe changing Haleigh's clothes before leaving? I don't think it makes Misty any more credible to "find" the pink shirt in the laundry pile when she could've realized they'd find it anyway. MOO


So far I have not found anyone credible in this case. Something stinks and IMO that's why LE has not ruled out anyone yet. They keep requestioning Misty over and over again and there must be a reason for that. Hopefully, she'll spill the beans before it's too late.

[bluwaters]

Crystal Sheffield has a baby named 'Chloe'.

What a coincidence that Geraldo would say that Ron fathered another child with Amber called 'Chloe'.

I hope it is not true that Haleigh was battered. I will only believe it if I see the pic for myself.

I thought the other baby was a boy?

[Rick777]

no. it was being discussed other places and people here would have picked it up sooner or later anyway. i just wish people would take this kind of unconfirmed rumor for what it is.


Like I said when I posted it...."take it with a grain of salt"...

[emdragon]

if WS deletes the post, does that make it untrue? hmmmmmm..
does posting it make it true?

[n/t]

Personally.....I have yet to see one person in this entire family that I find "credible".

Same here Rick.

[Rick777]

does posting it make it true?

Thats for YOU to decide, no?

[sunstar]

She must of forgot what Hayleigh was wearing. Frankly, I do not see a kidnapper stopping to change clothes either. I think they would want to get the hell out of Dodge before they got caught.

You're right, it could be she just forgot at the time what Haleigh had on, then remembered later. But as to the perp changing her clothes, that just doesn't make sense at all. I still find it challenging that the perp could've snuck into a mobile home with squeaky floors. MOO

[Peaches]

Thats for YOU to decide, no?


Although I hope it is not true and......................

I thank you for posting what you heard on TV. This is how many of us are able to hear what is being said on many news networks. Thanks again................

BUT, as I said, I hope that Haleigh was not abused at home.

I do believe that school officials would have done something about it if she was "beat to a pulp."

[Rick777]

it seems like everything in this case is in dispute.

I would think that Ron would have an easy lawsuit against Geraldo or someone if the accusation is bogus.

[Adalena935]

I can't stand Geraldo! But he has a big ego, and he would look like crap to come out with this and have it be wrong. He must think he has something.

Thank you for posting what you posted. I figure what's on tv is okay to at least say.

Since no one knows what happened to the poor little girl the possibility still exists that a parent or caregiver did something with her. Sheriff has said there's no evidence of breakin, while the dad says there is. I believe the sheriff at this point.

[playnice]

Although I hope it is not true and......................

I thank you for posting what you heard on TV. This is how many of us are able to hear what is being said on many news networks. Thanks again................

BUT, as I said, I hope that Haleigh was not abused at home.

I do believe that school officials would have done something about it if she was "beat to a pulp."

You would think one person out there somewhere would have stepped up and done something. It its true and someone took pics of her, shame on them and if she isnt alive today her blood is on their hands too.

[n/t]

Thats a HUGE problem here too. Every time there is a PC, nothing new is learned. Its like the boy who cried wolf. One of these times, something important is going to be said and by then, no one will be paying attention.

LE needs to keep people more informed (especially volunteers). They are not going to volunteer to search if they don't know what is going on or where LE is thinking Hayleigh may be.

I agree and that's why maybe Ron can't get volunteers to help him search (per NG show tonight). Or there are other reasons. Who knows. Personally, Ron scares the heck out of me and I'm not sure I'd feel safe being around someone like that.

[Rick777]

A lot of us have already, but thanks for the suggestion.



rawr.....:mad:

[SavannahStar]

Thats a HUGE problem here too. Every time there is a PC, nothing new is learned. Its like the boy who cried wolf. One of these times, something important is going to be said and by then, no one will be paying attention.

LE needs to keep people more informed (especially volunteers). They are not going to volunteer to search if they don't know what is going on or where LE is thinking Hayleigh may be.

Do you think maybe they are keeping volunteers informed, without putting info out in PCs? I think it's a possibility.

[Peaches]

You're right, it could be she just forgot at the time what Haleigh had on, then remembered later. But as to the perp changing her clothes, that just doesn't make sense at all. I still find it challenging that the perp could've snuck into a mobile home with squeaky floors. MOO



Many people can sleep and never hear being called to get up. As one poster posted today that she/he slept through a storm.

To me it is possible for someone to come into a house without being heard. I have always been a very light sleeper but not everyone is.

Also, some people are lighter on their feet than others. I know that my daughter makes a lot of noise walking because she was a dancer and they stomped a lot...........not in ballet but other dances.

[Rick777]

In such a small town, how does this happen and nobody have a suspect after what....12 days? I'm amazed. Is there any DNA or fingerprint eveidence???

[SavannahStar]

So far I have not found anyone credible in this case. Something stinks and IMO that's why LE has not ruled out anyone yet. They keep requestioning Misty over and over again and there must be a reason for that. Hopefully, she'll spill the beans before it's too late.

There could be reasons for that without her being guilty of anything. Just a reminder. IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

I thought the other baby was a boy?


Hey Blu, you can have a boy and name him Chloe, just ask Sue. :biggrin:

:blushing:

[GentleBreeze]

Here's whats being said about Geraldo. Take with a grain of salt..


"Ok - OMG - I just saw the clip with GR on O'Reilly. I'm not going to comment on what was said. BUT it certainly was SHOCKING. There is a photo that FOX legal is checking out before they air it.

Anyone else want to weigh in here? Anyone else see this? "




" will say the GR said he has found that Haleigh had 22 unexcused absences from school since the first of the school year. So we now - maybe - have a number. He also re-confirmed about the "other" child. Said mother was another 17 yr old named Amber and the child was a 1 yr old named Chloe.

That wasn't the shocking part."






"ok - I'm just the messenger here. NOBODY, I repeat nobody - slap me for this. All I'm doing is repeating what I heard.

GR has a photo from Nov. 08 - Haleigh is beat to a pulp. Black eye, busted lip, swollen nose. Story behind it - dad is saying this happened at school. FOX legal is making sure they have their azzes covered before they put it on air.

Ok - there it is. I WAS SHOCKED.

GR is claiming that RC is very very very very very abusive and that there is proof and that bio-mom's camp is keeping quiet because they know what a powder keg he is. "

I cant stand Geraldo. He did the same smut job on Mark Lunsford.

This has nothing to do with finding Haleigh but then Geraldo always gyrates to the sensationalism and doesn't concentrate on the important matters, which in this case is finding a sweet precious girl.

If any of that is remotely true that is for the police to take care of.

imoo

[3Monkeys]

Did anyone on this forum actually see this O'Rielly or whatever say what is being posted on the WS board? Is that at least true?

Sorry if this has been discussed, I've missed some posts...

[playnice]

Many people can sleep and never hear being called to get up. As one poster posted today that she/he slept through a storm.

To me it is possible for someone to come into a house without being heard. I have always been a very light sleeper but not everyone is.

Also, some people are lighter on their feet than others. I know that my daughter makes a lot of noise walking because she was a dancer and they stomped a lot...........not in ballet but other dances.

My hall way squeaks and I sleep thru it. I also know you can open some doors with a cc so coming in the front is a possibility.

[CANDYKISSES]

There could be reasons for that without her being guilty of anything. Just a reminder. IMO.

True dat Savannah. :thumbup:

[bluwaters]

Hey Blu, you can have a boy and name him Chloe, just ask Sue. :biggrin:

:blushing:
Oh yeah...I forgot about that boy named Sue...:laugh:

[Rick777]

I do wonder if Misty gave Geraldo this info.....since it was she that told Geraldo's brother off-camera about her criminal cousin.

[FrankieBones1]

I thought the other baby was a boy?
Crystal Sheffield and Ron did have a boy they call Ronald Jr.

Chloe is the newest baby she had about a year ago with her newer boyfriend.

Ron also had a baby with Amber and that baby is called Chloe as well according to Geraldo.

[HumblePie]

Did anyone on this forum actually see this O'Rielly or whatever say what is being posted on the WS board? Is that at least true?

Sorry if this has been discussed, I've missed some posts...

Yes, it's true. I was watching O'Reilly and the only part I didn't see/hear was about the photo - so at first I was confused by others confirm Geraldo's blabbing. I don't trust Geraldo - he's all about self-promotion and then some. . .

[Peaches]

My hall way squeaks and I sleep thru it. I also know you can open some doors with a cc so coming in the front is a possibility.



Playnice............you are so right.

We all listen to rattles in our houses and think nothing of them. The wind blows and all houses have their very own sounds.

[Tia]

Do you think maybe they are keeping volunteers informed, without putting info out in PCs? I think it's a possibility.


I would hope so, but if they are trying to "hide" some info, to protect Hayleigh, maybe not.

Its SO frustrating! It would be so nice to see Hayleigh united with her family and to have a happy ending for once.

[SavannahStar]

I cant stand Geraldo. He did the same smut job on Mark Lunsford.

This has nothing to do with finding Haleigh but then Geraldo always gyrates to the sensationalism and doesn't concentrate on the important matters, which in this case is finding a sweet precious girl.

If any of that is remotely true that is for the police to take care of.

imoo

:beer:

I have a feeling this post should be bumped every half hour or so.

[Peaches]

Oh yeah...I forgot about that boy named Sue...:laugh:

later known as Johnny Cash.................:biggrin:

[breeze53]

There could be reasons for that without her being guilty of anything. Just a reminder. IMO.



And what reasons might that be?
She can't seem to remember anything anyone asked her:shrug:

[sunstar]

Many people can sleep and never hear being called to get up. As one poster posted today that she/he slept through a storm.

To me it is possible for someone to come into a house without being heard. I have always been a very light sleeper but not everyone is.

Also, some people are lighter on their feet than others. I know that my daughter makes a lot of noise walking because she was a dancer and they stomped a lot...........not in ballet but other dances.

You're right, but many times when we've got somebody in the house who may need something during the middle of the night (like an elderly parent or a small child) we tend to become a 'light sleeper' always anticipating them. I can totally understand some other cases where the perp has come into the house and taken children from another bedroom away from where adults were, but in this case Haleigh was supposed to be just a few feet away in the same room. Maybe it's just too disturbing to me that something like that could happen without awakening anyone. :sad: MOO

[n/t]

There could be reasons for that without her being guilty of anything. Just a reminder. IMO.


I didn't say she was guilty but someone may be withholding information and there could be reasons for that! I think LE is doing their best to get as much out of her as possible. Maybe eventually they'll get the full story.

[sunstar]

Did anyone on this forum actually see this O'Rielly or whatever say what is being posted on the WS board? Is that at least true?

Sorry if this has been discussed, I've missed some posts...

I didn't see it but O'Reilly will be on again at 11pm ET. :smile:

[breeze53]

You're right, but many times when we've got somebody in the house who may need something during the middle of the night (like an elderly parent or a small child) we tend to become a 'light sleeper' always anticipating them. I can totally understand some other cases where the perp has come into the house and taken children from another bedroom away from where adults were, but in this case Haleigh was supposed to be just a few feet away in the same room. Maybe it's just too disturbing to me that something like that could happen without awakening anyone. :sad: MOO

yep she said 4 inches before Ron stepped in and said 4 feet. I don't believe the child ever made it to bed that night.:sad::sad:

[playnice]

You're right, but many times when we've got somebody in the house who may need something during the middle of the night (like an elderly parent or a small child) we tend to become a 'light sleeper' always anticipating them. I can totally understand some other cases where the perp has come into the house and taken children from another bedroom away from where adults were, but in this case Haleigh was supposed to be just a few feet away in the same room. Maybe it's just too disturbing to me that something like that could happen without awakening anyone. :sad: MOO

You are right. I can sleep thru anything now but when the kids were home and Id be alone at night with them I heard every noise.


My SIL works nights and my daughter lets the kids come in and sleep with her (cause shes scared).

[emdragon]

Many people can sleep and never hear being called to get up. As one poster posted today that she/he slept through a storm.

To me it is possible for someone to come into a house without being heard. I have always been a very light sleeper but not everyone is.

Also, some people are lighter on their feet than others. I know that my daughter makes a lot of noise walking because she was a dancer and they stomped a lot...........not in ballet but other dances.

I was looking at old WA missing person cases today and there is one where the boy was taken from the upstairs bedroom he was sharing with his sister and no one heard or saw anything. And LE says it was a stranger abduction.
(found a REALLY old case from right here in my little town- mom and 2 little daughters went missing while dad was in the fields care found 2 miles away they were never found and it is considered that they were killed...)

We have never heard for sure if the TV was on or off or if Misti had the radio on or anything. We have so little real information that for some to believe we know all that LE knows is crazy.

[Peaches]

I was looking at old WA missing person cases today and there is one where the boy was taken from the upstairs bedroom he was sharing with his sister and no one heard or saw anything. And LE says it was a stranger abduction.
(found a REALLY old case from right here in my little town- mom and 2 little daughters went missing while dad was in the fields care found 2 miles away they were never found and it is considered that they were killed...)

We have never heard for sure if the TV was on or off or if Misti had the radio on or anything. We have so little real information that for some to believe we know all that LE knows is crazy.


Excellent Post!

[Rick777]

Looks like we are in for an interesting weekend! Hopefully with the safe return of Haleigh...which I think is possible!

G'night gang!

[3Monkeys]

Yes, it's true. I was watching O'Reilly and the only part I didn't see/hear was about the photo - so at first I was confused by others confirm Geraldo's blabbing. I don't trust Geraldo - he's all about self-promotion and then some. . .

Thank you for confirming. I agree with you about Geraldo... But I have to also consider that he did give us the first report about the cousin 'messing' with Misty.

[Adalena935]

Oh please. Don't blame the people in here getting misinformation. We're getting our information from what's being reported in the news. Yes there is misinformation but it ain't coming from us. The misinformation is coming from the sources whether it be the media or the people directly involved in this case.

We don't make things up. They said tonight on NG that a gun was found in the ditch and that's what's being reported and Ron's mother acknowledged it as true. Whether she heard it from the media or got it directly from LE we don't know because she wasn't asked.

Thank you.

[sunstar]

You are right. I can sleep thru anything now but when the kids were home and Id be alone at night with them I heard every noise.


My SIL works nights and my daughter lets the kids come in and sleep with her (cause shes scared).

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. :smile:

[3Monkeys]

I didn't see it but O'Reilly will be on again at 11pm ET. :smile:

Thanks - I don't have cable, so I'll take others word that it was shown.

[sunstar]

Thanks Sunstar. I think the same about her finding that shirt. And still she insist that is what Haleigh was wearing. IMO if she would of came to the conclusion she must of been mixed up then she would of said so in the article quoting her saying she still sticks by what Haleigh was wearing.

I'd like to know where in the pile of dirty clothes the pink shirt was, like on the top where Haleigh could've taken it off herself? And, had she ever done anything like that before during the middle of the night? That might answer a few questions. I still don't see the perp doing it. MOO

[emdragon]

Crystal Sheffield and Ron did have a boy they call Ronald Jr.

Chloe is the newest baby she had about a year ago with her newer boyfriend.

Ron also had a baby with Amber and that baby is called Chloe as well according to Geraldo.

Yet when the story about the 3rd baby came up it was Misti who said Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy wasn't being cared for properly.

The "other" 17 yr Ron had a child with was CRYSTAL-
"I was 17 when I got pregnant with Haleigh," said Sheffield, now 23.

And we all know that Crystals other child is named Chloe and she is not Ron's.

So just what information is correct in GR story?

[n/t]

I don't get Fox but if someone watches, it would be great if they gave up updates and confirm what was posted earlier.

Friday, February 20:
• Shocking information about Haleigh's father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a Factor Investigation!
• Plus, we pick the best movies ever made!

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

[sunstar]

In the begging Crystal said that either Ron or Misty told her that if there were any more absences Ron would be put in jail. This conversation came about when Crystal wanted for some reason to have Haleigh on a school day.

Even if that little girl was really sick because of her illness then why the heck could no one care enough to write a note or call the school. Crystal also said she had been concerned about the kids being spanked.......she did not say by who.

I've gotten the impression from listening to Haleigh's mother that she does not care for Misty. MOO

[wah]

If Haleigh suffers from turners syndrome as reported to us by the TH's, then she will need ongoing medical treatment.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

JMO

[emdragon]

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If this poor child was sick for these 22 days of missed school, then why didnt someone take her to the doctor? That is not being a responsible parent. I still would like to know who took the pic of Haleigh. This is not sounding good at all. Where was the child welfare in all of this?
OMG jmo

The grandmother already said she sat with Haleigh when she was in and out of the Hospital so she was seen by a Dr.

[emdragon]

So jurors are told if they find a witness lied about one part of their testimony they can throw out all of the testimony based on the credibility of the witness.

GR- claims Ron has a little girl named Chloe with another 17 yr old girl, the child was unexcused from school 22 times, and that he has a photo of a beaten child.

Ron doesn't have another little girl named Chloe and the 17 yr he did have a child with is Crystal so just off the bat 4 elements of his report are either incorrect or out right lies.. Why should we believe anything else he is reporting?

[sunstar]

Good questions. And was the pile disturbed, since it was right by the door.
If that door was never used it seems to me that the pile could of easily been place right in front of the door and in path of the "intruder".

Another good point! Misty also said today she was going to show LE what Haleigh had worn to school the day before when she found the pink shirt. But what seems confusing is that very night she noticed immediately the back door was open, so if the shirt had been on top, I'd think she would've seen it then. :shrug: MOO

[FrankieBones1]

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If this poor child was sick for these 22 days of missed school, then why didnt someone take her to the doctor? That is not being a responsible parent. I still would like to know who took the pic of Haleigh. This is not sounding good at all. Where was the child welfare in all of this?
OMG jmo
There was a guest on Nancy Grace's show tonight explaining that Turner Syndrom would mean the child would have a lot of sore throats and other illnesses that would keep her at home. He had a whole list of affects. If what he said is true, 22 day truant would be believable.

[sunstar]

I have the DVR set. Hey makes me wonder if Ron knew this was coming out and if that's why he has not left the tent today. Seems Geraldo show may have called him for a comment on the story.

It seems like brother Craig could still be down in the area digging around for "news". :smile:

[wah]

Hey if I had a sick little girl that had been so sick she has in the past been
hospitalised for it, I would drill into anyone with her the importance of calling 911 in an emergency. Actually I would do this regardless of her being sick. Wonder if Ron and Misty ever had that talk?

This condition holds a type of embarrassing 'gender issue' with uninformed parents, they may even try to ignore, rather then manage.
JMO

[sunstar]

If I got up in the middle of the night and discovered the back door propped open, and ran to find one of the children gone, you can bet 100% chance I wouldn't be noticing what shirt was on top of the "to do" laundry pile. The pile apparently was placed near the washing machine, laundry to be done, and I would not notice a shirt on top of the dirty laundry if a 5 year old was missing.

I didn't mean exactly immediately, but after LE arrived and some bright lights might have been on in the laundry room, when they were examining the door. :sad:

[emdragon]

This condition holds a type of embarrassing 'gender issue' with uninformed parents, they may even try to ignore, rather then manage.
JMO

Ron didn't ignore the condition. We know that from court records.

[wah]

Ron didn't ignore the condition. We know that from court records.

So no more upsets about missing school. That was my hope regarding my previous post.

[Adalena935]

Listen folks........there would be no point in even having a Haleigh Cummings thread if we had to rely on CONFIRMED findings because there are none! People on TV may be right, or they may be wrong, but to say we can't discuss what some say they are finding is a joke. Geraldo may be wrong, but he is as much a "source" as some relative quoted in a florida newspaper. No?

I agree. Early in this case Sheriff's dept told CNN and FOX that there have been problems with child services with Ron, Misty, Haleigh, Jr. in the past on occasions (plural) but they're keeping it close to the vest at this time. paraphrase

[playnice]

aha they are saving every toy that is being given for Haleigh to play with when she comes home. Big contrast to the A,s throwing stuff in the trash.

[Tia]

aha they are saving every toy that is being given for Haleigh to play with when she comes home. Big contrast to the A,s throwing stuff in the trash.


The contrasts between the A's and this case could fill a whole other thread!

[Adalena935]

I don't get Fox but if someone watches, it would be great if they gave up updates and confirm what was posted earlier.

Friday, February 20:
• Shocking information about Haleigh's father! Geraldo reveals the truth in a Factor Investigation!
• Plus, we pick the best movies ever made!

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

Thanks n/t. Early in this case sheriff's dept did tell CNN & Fox that there have been problems with child protective services with Ron, Misty, Haleigh and Jr. But they're not going to say more about it at this time because the investigation is in progress.

At that time I wondered if the child might have been abused. It's a possibility since no one knows what happened to the poor child.

[FrankieBones1]

If Haleigh was a bed-wetter, I would think that her Dad and Misty would have her sleep on the air mattress on the floor. It would be easier to keep clean and dry, no?

I read the Turner Syndrom site that was linked above and I didn't see anything that would keep a child home from school. It was quite different than what Nancy's guest had to say.

[wah]

If Haleigh was a bed-wetter, I would think that her Dad and Misty would have her sleep on the air mattress on the floor. It would be easier to keep clean and dry, no?

I read the Turner Syndrom site that was linked above and I didn't see anything that would keep a child home from school. It was quite different than what Nancy's guest had to say.

imagine that........:confused:

[sunstar]

Or if she did make it to bed I have to wonder when she really wet the bed.

Or if it was soiled the night before, why didn't the blanket get washed that day before Haleigh went to bed then notice it stunk? :confused:

[Vixerz]

List of complications from Turner's Syndrom as per the Mayo Clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/turner-syndrome/DS01017/DSECTION=complications

[rosieposett]

I don't want to be argumentative and I do agree that much of the misinformation comes from the media there has also been a lot of posters who post a theory as fact and then posters come along and read that post and they think it is a fact and it just keeps growing.

Yeah, I never know what to do in a case like that so I let it slide and look the other way, thinking I don't want to hurt anyones feelings, unless they are so blantantly wrong that it needs correcting. Since I'm not the thread police I reason it's not my place.:ohmy:

Like this morning, on another thread someone called a 9mm Baretta a revolver. lmao Bullets for a 9mm are loaded in a clip not a revolving chamber. I let it slide because I figured it was insignificant and it didn't hurt anyone.

It's hard to know when facts are incorrectly stated if the misinformation is important to the case or not. I hardly ever know the answer to that if it's close to the line so I keep reading.:unsure:

But I sure understand your point.

[emdragon]

If Haleigh was a bed-wetter, I would think that her Dad and Misty would have her sleep on the air mattress on the floor. It would be easier to keep clean and dry, no?

I read the Turner Syndrom site that was linked above and I didn't see anything that would keep a child home from school. It was quite different than what Nancy's guest had to say.

Middle ear infections, low immunity, sore throats all seem like things that keep kids home from school.

[sunstar]

Middle ear infections, low immunity, sore throats all seem like things that keep kids home from school.

I can see why she'd miss a lot of school and after all, she's only 5 y/o! It's so sad to see such little ones with chronic illnesses. :sad:

[sunstar]

Geraldo's on O'Reilly now ~ talking about 'octomom' so the part about Haleigh should be coming up soon! :smile:

[FrankieBones1]

Heads Up

Geraldo is on wth Bill O'Rielly right now (previously aired earlier this evening).

[FrankieBones1]

Geraldo talks about chaos that follows crimes. Motive goes to perverse and sexual reasons. Then the child is murdered.

He talks about a photo he has in possession.
Geraldo says that it is BS that this child was injured in school.

He thinks that police are concentrating on Ron. (the disfunctional man in the middle)

[sunstar]

Same thing reported that was posted here earlier, so I won't repeat. Geraldo's headed for Florida tomorrow so it looks like his weekend show will be from there. MOO

[emdragon]

Looks like Geraldo might be on to something...

Like he was in Iraq? or when he was on to Capones Vault?

He already has his information wrong about the baby and the 17 yr old girl.

[sunstar]

Looks like Geraldo might be on to something... did he say he was coming to Florida, I must have missed that part

Yes, tomorrow. :smile:

[Kelly3820]

I have wondered why LE have been interested in who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop on Monday.

[Calla]

I can see why she'd miss a lot of school and after all, she's only 5 y/o! It's so sad to see such little ones with chronic illnesses. :sad:

I can see it. My daughter got a note sent home last year because she missed a number of days and it was over the acceptable limit...sick in Sept...(always happens with esposure to all the kids after break & the ventilation in the building),,sick before the holidays (flu bugs)..sick after holiday break(strep)..
It happens. Grandson missed 15 days and school says we are turning it over to our school intervention representative. Doesn't matter to them that the kid had a fever of 103...and that they would have sent them right back home.
I can imagine if throughout a custody dispute, phone calls are made , much more attention than usual is paid to absences and if CPS is already involved due to custody issues, then missing school would be focused on.

[sunstar]

omg! i just heard Geraldo! that was brutal!

he says he has a picture of Haleigh "beaten to a pulp" and she's missed tons of school because of injuries??

YIKES... he says the dad is a brute and bully or whatever... and that the dad has abused her.

holy smokes! :scared:

I think he was getting at two theories, one being a SO took her, sexually abused and then killed her; and that her dad is a drug user and abuser who beat her previously. Also something about dad being the "man in the middle"? Just MOO.

[Adalena935]

Heads Up

Geraldo is on wth Bill O'Rielly right now (previously aired earlier this evening).

Thanks Frankie

[sunstar]

I can see it. My daughter got a note sent home last year because she missed a number of days and it was over the acceptable limit...sick in Sept...(always happens with esposure to all the kids after break & the ventilation in the building),,sick before the holidays (flu bugs)..sick after holiday break(strep)..
It happens. Grandson missed 15 days and school says we are turning it over to our school intervention representative. Doesn't matter to them that the kid had a fever of 103...and that they would have sent them right back home.
I can imagine if throughout a custody dispute, phone calls are made , much more attention than usual is paid to absences and if CPS is already involved due to custody issues, then missing school would be focused on.

It was also stressed that with Haleigh these were unexcused absences. Wouldn't it be different if she had doctors notes or hospitalization on these? :confused:

[sunstar]

has geraldo shown it to police? or waiting until scoop is broadcast? he is a sensationalist,imo. grates on my nerves.

I'm just wondering where he got the photo!

[Kelly3820]

It was also stressed that with Haleigh these were unexcused absences. Wouldn't it be different if she had doctors notes or hospitalization on these? :confused:


For my kids unexcused means a parent never called the school to report why your child was out.

[Calla]

Oh I was wondering?....

Just because the media is just now hearing about the cousin and that he was visiting and disappeared the same time Haleigh did, doesn't necessarily mean that police just now heard about it..right?

[Calla]

For my kids unexcused means a parent never called the school to report why your child was out.

It doesn't for mine. They get to determine whether it is excused and can require a dr.'s note, even if you are managing the bugs they have at home and even if you cannot afford to rush to the dr. each time they get a bug.

[Kelly3820]

I think a good interview with her teacher would be informative. Teachers study their students on how they act in class, how they play with other children, pictures they draw and so on.

[Vixerz]

Like he was in Iraq? or when he was on to Capones Vault?

He already has his information wrong about the baby and the 17 yr old girl.

Per a story in the Jacksonville Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back):

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy wasn't being cared for properly.

"I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him," she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.


So, we are to believe she was babysitting for Crystal? If so, why not just say Crystal? Also, Cystal lives an hour and a half or so away...I don't see traveling that far to babysit but I suppose it happens. Also, Jr. wouldn't have been in Crystal's custody nor considered a "baby". JMO

I'm a bit ?????? though!

[Calla]

It was also stressed that with Haleigh these were unexcused absences. Wouldn't it be different if she had doctors notes or hospitalization on these? :confused:

I guess so. ? School policies can vary though from my experience. A dr.s note usually excuses it but that is not always possible imo

[Kelly3820]

It doesn't for mine. They get to determine whether it is excused and can require a dr.'s note, even if you are managing the bugs they have at home and even if you cannot afford to rush to the dr. each time they get a bug.


Our schools want a drs note after three days. If explained that they had the flu and are fine now usually they don't require a note.

[FrankieBones1]

So what do you think Geraldo was getting at, Frankie? That Ron beat his child and/or killed his child for perverse and sexual reasons? How is Geraldo trying to link a phantom picture of a beaten child to "motive" of "perverse and sexual reasons"? Motive for Haleigh's disappearance?

What I got out of Geraldo's chat with Bill:
He thinks that Haleigh was abducted by a sexual preditor. On a totally unrelated issue, he believes that Ron may have hurt his daughter in the past.

Also, Geraldo spoke of the child Chloe, saying that Chloe was the third child of Ron's and that the mother of Chloe is Amber. I have to wonder if Geraldo is confused or if there is one heck of a coincidence.

It just so happens that Ron's exwife has a baby named Chloe but Ron is not the father.

[emdragon]

Ah, but he's got a picture of a little child, missing nonetheless, who has been beaten to a pulp. Does he hand it over to LE? No! He heads his film crew to Florida for the weekend!

Bingo! He has a show to do this week-end and that is the bottom line.

[Kelly3820]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Geraldo get his nose broken again by a flying chair or fist if he's in Florida this weekend.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Calla]

What I got out of Geraldo's chat with Bill:
He thinks that Haleigh was abducted by a sexual preditor. On a totally unrelated issue, he believes that Ron may have hurt his daughter in the past.

Also, Geraldo spoke of the child Chloe, saying that Chloe was the third child of Ron's and that the mother of Chloe is Amber. I have to wonder if Geraldo is confused or if there is one heck of a coincidence.

It just so happens that Ron's exwife has a baby named Chloe but Ron is not the father.
I think he is confused...jmo

[sunstar]

Per a story in the Jacksonville Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back):

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy wasn't being cared for properly.

"I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him," she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.


So, we are to believe she was babysitting for Crystal? If so, why not just say Crystal? Also, Cystal lives an hour and a half or so away...I don't see traveling that far to babysit but I suppose it happens. Also, Jr. wouldn't have been in Crystal's custody nor considered a "baby". JMO

I'm a bit ?????? though!
Geraldo also said tonight the mother of this one year old child is named Amber, so it couldn't be Crystal the mother of Haleigh & Jr. :shrug:

[emdragon]

Per a story in the Jacksonville Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back):

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy wasn't being cared for properly.

"I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him," she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.


So, we are to believe she was babysitting for Crystal? If so, why not just say Crystal? Also, Cystal lives an hour and a half or so away...I don't see traveling that far to babysit but I suppose it happens. Also, Jr. wouldn't have been in Crystal's custody nor considered a "baby". JMO

I'm a bit ?????? though!

I guess you missed my earlier post- GR claims Ron has another child a GIRL named CHLOE with another 17 yr old. What i pointed out was Chloe is Crystals baby and she was 17 when she had Haleigh. Ron's third supposed child is a BOY not a girl. GR has the facts all scrambled. Or he simply didn't fact check which leads me to find his entire report suspect.

[Vixerz]

No, it's a second son with another woman.

Yes, I gathered that. But a number of posts previous were insinuating there was no third child. I was being slightly sarcastic. :wink:

[sunstar]

Bingo! He has a show to do this week-end and that is the bottom line.

Wonder why he's not visiting his friend Jose Baez while in FL instead? He might need him if he messes too much with Ron! :scared: MOO

[Calla]

I guess you missed my earlier post- GR claims Ron has another child a GIRL named CHLOE with another 17 yr old. What i pointed out was Chloe is Crystals baby and she was 17 when she had Haleigh. Ron's third supposed child is a BOY not a girl. GR has the facts all scrambled. Or he simply didn't fact check which leads me to find his entire report suspect.

GR is letting his bro likely investigate stuff, has him call him with info, then it turns into a game of telephone..imo

[Vixerz]

I guess you missed my earlier post- GR claims Ron has another child a GIRL named CHLOE with another 17 yr old. What i pointed out was Chloe is Crystals baby and she was 17 when she had Haleigh. Ron's third supposed child is a BOY not a girl. GR has the facts all scrambled. Or he simply didn't fact check which leads me to find his entire report suspect.

Gotcha! On the same page now! :thumbup:

[emdragon]

ya... I'm sure i missed some of what he said because I was absolutely shocked with how angry he seemed and all the things he said.

He didnt hold back at all and just attacked everything about the dad.

I'm still shocked... I hope Geraldo knows what he's talking about because he sure said some very ugly things about the man :ohmy:

He said ugly things about Mark Lunsford as well. He's looking for ratings and I hope this time it bites him the behind.

[Mamie]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Geraldo get his nose broken again by a flying chair or fist if he's in Florida this weekend.

Now that's GR show that'd be worth watching! JMO

[Adalena935]

LE has said at their press conferences that they have a lot of information on this case that they're holding close to the vest at this time.

I don't doubt that.

[sunstar]

Have a good night everybody :seeya:

Prayers for Haleigh :rose:

[wah]

Per a story in the Jacksonville Times Union (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back):

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy wasn't being cared for properly.

"I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him," she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.


So, we are to believe she was babysitting for Crystal? If so, why not just say Crystal? Also, Cystal lives an hour and a half or so away...I don't see traveling that far to babysit but I suppose it happens. Also, Jr. wouldn't have been in Crystal's custody nor considered a "baby". JMO

I'm a bit ?????? though!

I am going to sadly relax now on this, LE knows what they are doing and they appear to be catering to the ppl of interest.
They where the ones who sent the searchers on their way.
Who knows.....:confused: I could change my mind at any second.

[Rick777]

I have said from the start that I don't trust Ron, and I think he was acting fake when people here acted like he was "hero dad". He may not be guilty of abducting Haleigh, but I BET he's hurt her in the past. How could some of you NOT SEE THROUGH HIS ANGER?

[Rick777]

I hope so. Poor Haleigh is out there somewhere waiting to be found and Geraldo is playing for ratings.


What if Geraldo is right? Will you finally open your eyes to Ron??? If Geraldo is wrong, He will be sued!

[Calla]

I am going to sadly relax now on this, LE knows what they are doing and they appear to be catering to the ppl of interest.
They where the ones who sent the searchers on their way.
Who knows.....:confused: I could change my mind at any second.

Well I have to agree with that.
I think they know more than ppl think. It isn't like the media is coming up with revelations that LE hasn't known for awhile imo

[tybek]

He said ugly things about Mark Lunsford as well. He's looking for ratings and I hope this time it bites him the behind.

GR isn't ethical, imo. Very into sensationalism and often misleading. unfair or just plain factually incorrect...but frankly, I don't think he cares. I've no use for what he reports or the way he reports. JMO

[Adalena935]

I cant stand Geraldo. He did the same smut job on Mark Lunsford.

The major difference being the outcome of the Lunsford case is known.


This has nothing to do with finding Haleigh but then Geraldo always gyrates to the sensationalism and doesn't concentrate on the important matters, which in this case is finding a sweet precious girl.

If any of that is remotely true that is for the police to take care of.

imoo

Who's stopping the police from taking care of this case? Early in this case Sheriff has told CNN and Fox that there has been past problems with child protective services re; Ron, Misty, Haleigh (the missing child) and Jr. but they're not releasing that information at this time due to the fact they're taking care of this case at present.

[emdragon]

Of course. He's had the whole roadshow prepared:
This Weekend: (http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/)

• Amid growing inconsistencies in the Haleigh Cummings case, we'll unveil the shocking results of our own investigation that could lead to a big break in her disappearance

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

bolding is mine

This just makes me so very angry, just as it did with Mark Lunsford and Steve Groene. It may just be time for a "time out" for me or CW could end up giving me one.

you know if Ron had abused Haleigh it is a horrible thing but nothing at all points to LE looking at him for her disappearance so all this does is attack a man who is already down and in the worst pain of his life. It helps in no way to find Haleigh.

[Rick777]

I have heard of it happening but the most famous case you may of heard of was Jeffery McDonald (sp/ last name) The Green Beret Doc who killed 2 daughters and his pregnant wife when one of the girls wet the bed in the Master bedroom.


Possibly in the Jon Benet Ramsey case I suppose.

[tybek]

What if Geraldo is right? Will you finally open your eyes to Ron??? If Geraldo is wrong, He will be sued!

As much as I'd love to see that (Geraldo get sued for being unfair), it probably won't happen. Because there is generally a grain of truth upon which he bases his wild dramatizations, which is how he gets away with it.

[Calla]

I have said from the start that I don't trust Ron, and I think he was acting fake when people here acted like he was "hero dad". He may not be guilty of abducting Haleigh, but I BET he's hurt her in the past. How could some of you NOT SEE THROUGH HIS ANGER?

I don't think he was "hero dad" just because there is truth in the report that the custody hearing summons was sent to an incorrect address.
Way far from 'hero' or perfect for sure.

I do not believe he had anything to do with the disappearance of the little girl though. At all.
Maybe he has hurt her before. I dunno.
But I try to tell my young kids who are parents now...not to miss the good things. Every opportunity to be patient, loving and understanding with those little ones has to be taken and cherished cuz you only get one go at that and then its gone.

[Rick777]

This just makes me so very angry, just as it did with Mark Lunsford and Steve Groene. It may just be time for a "time out" for me or CW could end up giving me one.

you know if Ron had abused Haleigh it is a horrible thing but nothing at all points to LE looking at him for her disappearance so all this does is attack a man who is already down and in the worst pain of his life. It helps in no way to find Haleigh.

Nothing at all points to LE looking at Ron?? Are you guessing? As far as we know, LE has not really said who they are looking at! They HAVE said that nobody is cleared! geeeeez....

[rosieposett]

I have said from the start that I don't trust Ron, and I think he was acting fake when people here acted like he was "hero dad". He may not be guilty of abducting Haleigh, but I BET he's hurt her in the past. How could some of you NOT SEE THROUGH HIS ANGER?

In the beginning I had thoughts that perhaps Ron picked Haleigh up from school, or the bus, and before he left for work maybe he hit her on her head, violently shook her, or kicked her in her abdomen. I thought perhaps death did not come til later and she was able to be up and about. During the night she could have died from the injury or from aspirating vomit.

Now I tend to think maybe Ron is innocent.

[Calla]

I have heard of it happening but the most famous case you may of heard of was Jeffery McDonald (sp/ last name) The Green Beret Doc who killed 2 daughters and his pregnant wife when one of the girls wet the bed in the Master bedroom.

who is "accused" of killing them...he is still appealing it.

I don't think that is what happened to Haleigh tho

[Britney]

Is it looking to anyone like Mr. Cummings is a sexual predator himself? How many more underage girls with children fathered by him are going to fall out of the woodwork?

[Rick777]

Quite frankly, Rick, I think you need to simmer down a bit. I see Ron for what he is, but I'm not "Geraldo" enough to suggest to the world that he killed his own daughter.


you simmer down young lady! *L* Has Geraldo said Ron killed his daughter, or he has a pic that he says Haleigh was beaten? Don't put words in his mouth.......YET.

[emdragon]

The major difference being the outcome of the Lunsford case is known.




Who's stopping the police from taking care of this case? Early in this case Sheriff has told CNN and Fox that there has been past problems with child protective services re; Ron, Misty, Haleigh (the missing child) and Jr. but they're not releasing that information at this time due to the fact they're taking care of this case at present.

Robo posting much? This is no less than the third time you have posted the exact same statement.

[Kelly3820]

For me I just don't think Ron or Misty could have gone this long with LE breathing down their necks. Some kind of evidence of the killing would have been found if either of these two did this.

[Adalena935]

I have heard of it happening but the most famous case you may of heard of was Jeffery McDonald (sp/ last name) The Green Beret Doc who killed 2 daughters and his pregnant wife when one of the girls wet the bed in the Master bedroom.

McDonald came to mind when this case first broke. Not the motive, but the possible copycat aspect.

Ron said he got home about 3:27am. 911 call logged in at 3:27a.m.
Ron knew one man using a crowbar had broken into his house and stole his child.

How did he know all those details the minute he got home?

Sheriff said there's no signs of breakin anywhere in the house. Source: CNN, Fox.

[wah]

Well I have to agree with that.
I think they know more than ppl think. It isn't like the media is coming up with revelations that LE hasn't known for awhile imo

pretty sad world when the media has to feed off posters on a 'opinion based' blog. jmo

bless you Haleigh. :rose:

[emdragon]

As much as I'd love to see that (Geraldo get sued for being unfair), it probably won't happen. Because there is generally a grain of truth upon which he bases his wild dramatizations, which is how he gets away with it.

Right and in this case while he is wrong in what he said there is a baby, there is a baby Chloe and Crystal was 17.

And I have no doubt there have been absences from school.

[tybek]

who is "accused" of killing them...he is still appealing it.

I don't think that is what happened to Haleigh tho


No, he was convicted. Even if he is still undergoing the appeal process, he has been convicted of the murders of his family.

JMO

[Adalena935]

For me I just don't think Ron or Misty could have gone this long with LE breathing down their necks. Some kind of evidence of the killing would have been found if either of these two did this.

Yeah, maybe.

How long does it take LE to gather evidence?

[Rick777]

Ron may have NOTHING to do with Haleigh being missing. However.....

What if he did beat her in the past?

We know he shacks up with 17 yr olds.

We know he has a drug ridden past.

We know he has an apparent anger issue.


He just reaks class, huh?

[Kelly3820]

McDonald came to mind when this case first broke. Not the motive, but the possible copycat aspect.

Ron said he got home about 3:27am. 911 call logged in at 3:27a.m.
Ron knew one man using a crowbar had broken into his house and stole his child.

How did he know all those details the minute he got home?

Sheriff said there's no signs of breakin anywhere in the house. Source: CNN, Fox.


The only thing Ron knows is Haleigh is gone and he believes someone took her. I would think that if he planned this he would have taken a crowbar and broke in to make it look like a break in.

[emdragon]

Nothing at all points to LE looking at Ron?? Are you guessing? As far as we know, LE has not really said who they are looking at! They HAVE said that nobody is cleared! geeeeez....

No point in checking out tips of they know Ron is guilty. No need to rule out the SO if they know Ron killed her.

[tybek]

Right and in this case while he is wrong in what he said there is a baby, there is a baby Chloe and Crystal was 17.

And I have no doubt there have been absences from school.

GR's staff probably had all the facts regarding the baby Chloe and the mom being 17, etc... correctly researched and recorded but he is such a moron that he probably screwed it up on his own for the show. JMO

[Adalena935]

pretty sad world when the media has to feed off posters on a 'opinion based' blog. jmo

bless you Haleigh. :rose:

Law Enforcement has told the media they know a lot more than they're saying. Source: LE press conferences investigating this case.

[Rick777]

No point in checking out tips of they know Ron is guilty. No need to rule out the SO if they know Ron killed her.


Who has said Ron killed her? You find the post, and I'll wait. :)

[emdragon]

Is it looking to anyone like Mr. Cummings is a sexual predator himself? How many more underage girls with children fathered by him are going to fall out of the woodwork?

I don't believe the age of the third childs mother has been reported other than by GR and he can't even get the sex of the child right.

Crystal was 17 when Haleigh was born but then Ron was 19 yep sounds like a sex predator to me :glare:

[Calla]

No, he was convicted. Even if he is still undergoing the appeal process, he has been convicted of the murders of his family.

JMO

Yeah I know that. I didn't see any reason to go into detail to get the point across. I assumed everyone already knew that part

[tybek]

For me I just don't think Ron or Misty could have gone this long with LE breathing down their necks. Some kind of evidence of the killing would have been found if either of these two did this.

I don't think they are directly responsible for her disappearance, either. Perhaps negligent in providing supervision which allowed a predator to be successful, and even that I would need to see evidence of before I'd be convinced. I'm just not into the running with rumor mill on this one.

[Rick777]

IF Ron abused Haleigh (beat her to a pulp), CPS would have taken this special needs child away from him forever. There is something factually wrong here. And CPS would have an open case and monitoring this home with judicial checks periodically if she remained in the home after the abuse. Ron is an enigma right now.


I would agree with that, but what IF he beat her, and she took some of her 22 days off of school to heal and Ron said it was her Turners syndome?

[Kelly3820]

Yeah, maybe.

How long does it take LE to gather evidence?


I don't mean to be insulting to Ron and Misty but they don't seem well educated and to think outside the box to plan something like this or cover up a murder. I just have thought about this for days and going both ways. But this case has FBI involved I would think that have gathered up quite a bit and proabably have gotten back some pretests. Plus have grilled these two without lawyers and nothing so far that we know of. Unless something big breaks over the weekend I just don't think that Ron or Misty are involved.

[rosieposett]

This just makes me so very angry, just as it did with Mark Lunsford and Steve Groene. It may just be time for a "time out" for me or CW could end up giving me one.

you know if Ron had abused Haleigh it is a horrible thing but nothing at all points to LE looking at him for her disappearance so all this does is attack a man who is already down and in the worst pain of his life. It helps in no way to find Haleigh.

Getting my info from the media like everyone else, but I seem to remember LE stating that everyone was being looked at. I imagine that included Ron. Haven't heard otherwise yet. It doesn't mean Ron is guilty, but certainly he has to be looked at. Nothing personal, just LE doing their job.

[Adalena935]

Ron may have NOTHING to do with Haleigh being missing. However.....

What if he did beat her in the past?

We know he shacks up with 17 yr olds.

We know he has a drug ridden past.

We know he has an apparent anger issue.


He just reaks class, huh?

LE keeps reminding the public throughout the whole world is a suspect.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252