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Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 12:33 AM

I don't know who did this crime. I know LE at their pressors have said they know a lot they're not telling right now (purposely) and that everyone in the world is still suspect.

I believe them.

Ron's told the press he and his g/f passed their polygraph tests. Don Clark (FBIcoordinating this effort) (CNN following pressor the other day) said that did NOT happen.

I believe him.

Do you think that these two without lawyering up could with stand the pressure of LE liking them for this crime and questioning them over and over that not one of them has cracked. I am just hung up on that so much time LE have had free will with them and as far as we know and yes we know really knowing except no arrests.

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:34 AM

Me either and I apologize for the O/T that started on topic due to the bedwetting questions in this case regarding Haleigh...altho I am not sure he is guilty even tho he was convicted. (had to say it):blushing:

I'd engage you in that discussion further if it weren't off-topic. More relevant to the topic...I have read that bed-wetting and child abuse go hand-in-hand. I remember it being a big point when the Jon Benet case was being discussed.

IMO

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:35 AM

He probably has a pic. of her with a bruise of unknown origin...IMO

well yeah, but do you think someone gave him access to all the fam photos or what?

wah

02-21-2009, 12:35 AM

I hafta say that this family has put the FUN in dysFUNctional.

fun???? cnt alt del

Calla

02-21-2009, 12:36 AM

No he was convicted and has been in prison for decades. I studied the case in college and read everything I can about the case. No doubt in my mind they have the right person behind bars.

already been said:smile: established that I know that

I studied it too & our opinions differ

Just as some think Ron is a bad guy and some do not. We will never always agree

Calla

02-21-2009, 12:39 AM

I'd engage you in that discussion further if it weren't off-topic. More relevant to the topic...I have read that bed-wetting and child abuse go hand-in-hand. I remember it being a big point when the Jon Benet case was being discussed.

IMO

I believe that to be true.
I have witnessed extreme anger over bed wetting on kind of an up close and personal level.
I could imagine where it could lead. You certainly can't back up from it once it is done. I hope that is far from the reality in this case

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:40 AM

well yeah, but do you think someone gave him access to all the fam photos or what?

I think he probably has gotten access to some of the same photos that other news outlets have (or similar ones) probably provided by family and friends in hopes of getting the story in the press to help the case. He probably found a bruise or boo-boo in one and is sensationalizing it. That's JMO, though...I don't think much of Geraldo...I think he follows the school of yellow journalism. If it were anyone but GR reporting it, I'd take it more seriously.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:40 AM

I'm sure this has been asked, but...

Why was the ground search stopped so abruptly, and TES sent away.....only to run back and do a few more quick searches?

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:42 AM

I believe that to be true.
I have witnessed extreme anger over bed wetting on kind of an up close and personal level.
I could imagine where it could lead. You certainly can't back up from it once it is done. I hope that is far from the reality in this case

IIRC, it isn't just bedwetting, it is with difficult and/or prolonged potty-training too. It's very sad b/c the children really can't help it :sad:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:42 AM

I think he probably has gotten access to some of the same photos that other news outlets have (or similar ones) probably provided by family and friends in hopes of getting the story in the press to help the case. He probably found a bruise or boo-boo in one and is sensationalizing it. That's JMO, though...I don't think much of Geraldo...I think he follows the school of yellow journalism. If it were anyone but GR reporting it, I'd take it more seriously.

I think Geraldo is a jerk. But he did use the words "Beaten to a pulp", and his huge ego will hafta produce more then a bruise I would think.

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 12:42 AM

Calla

02-21-2009, 12:42 AM

I think he probably has gotten access to some of the same photos that other news outlets have (or similar ones) probably provided by family and friends in hopes of getting the story in the press to help the case. He probably found a bruise or boo-boo in one and is sensationalizing it. That's JMO, though...I don't think much of Geraldo...I think he follows the school of yellow journalism. If it were anyone but GR reporting it, I'd take it more seriously.

You don't think he couldd have gotten confused when collecting info on this from his sources?

Like maybe got Rhianna's photo mixed up in the Haleigh story and just blurted out what he got over the phone five minutes before he went on?

Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 12:44 AM

Key evidence is Haleigh.

I believe they're collecting evidence against this crime regardless who committed it. They say that's what they're doing. I have no reason not to believe them.

I agree but I still think that LE likes these two for the crime or have not ruled them out. My point is I would think that either Ron or Misty or both would have cracked by now with the pressure of LE questioning over and over with no lawyers. I don't think that these two could have the ability to cover up a crime like this without LE finding something major in a day or two for an arrest. I don't care for Ron. I think he is poor excuse for a man but I don't think he could have pulled this crime off that LE by now would not have arrested him. Misty I think could have easily been broken within a few hours and thats adding lots of minutes. But maybe I am not giving these two much credit.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:44 AM

I haven't read every single piece of written info about this case or these people but, if Ron did abuse her, don't ya think the bio mom would have made a big deal out of that in court for cutody? Or did she and I'm just not aware of it?

Thats a good question. But if Ron has custody of the kids, her porch must be even more dirty.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:45 AM

At this point it just seems far fetched to think a random SO did this.

I would like to see Chad Reynolds captured though.

playnice

02-21-2009, 12:45 AM

You don't think he couldd have gotten confused when collecting info on this from his sources?

Like maybe got Rhianna's photo mixed up in the Haleigh story and just blurted out what he got over the phone five minutes before he went on?

That could be. I find it hard to believe and disturbing to think someone saw a child with their face badly beaten and all they did was take a picture. Shame on them.

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:46 AM

I think Geraldo is a jerk. But he did use the words "Beaten to a pulp", and his huge ego will hafta produce more then a bruise I would think.

Like I said, if it were anyone but GR, I'd take it very seriously. I'm going to wait for him to produce (as you say). If that is really what he has, I'd be stunned. I think others would also have it or have gotten it before him. GR is often claiming to have exclusive shocking stuff that no-one else does but it doesn't transpire. But enough about GR, let just agree to agree that he is a jerk JMO

Calla

02-21-2009, 12:46 AM

IIRC, it isn't just bedwetting, it is with difficult and/or prolonged potty-training too. It's very sad b/c the children really can't help it :sad:

It is sad. I hope it has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing.

It is like blaming the elderly for those kinds of accidents...heartbreaking.

It isn't like the child or the old person is happy with the situation. With my child, I found it so much easier and a way to preserve their self esteem by not drawing so much attention to the issue (in hopes that when I am old they will do the same for me):biggrin:

Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 12:46 AM

No, I don't think they could fool this law enforcement team.

I've said from the start nothing would surprise me in this case and I mean it. I believe they'll solve this crime.

I have no idea who did this crime. I'm just not willing to go so far as you have to rule anyone out. LE said they haven't ruled out anyone & that the whole world is suspect. I don't know what else to tell you.

I am not ruling them out but I just find it out hard to believe that these two could have pulled this off without being arrested in day or two. I mean if these two are arrested tomorrow they lasted longer free than I would have thought.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:46 AM

That could be. I find it hard to believe and disturbing to think someone saw a child with their face badly beaten and all they did was take a picture. Shame on them.

thats a good point!! WHy take the picture of a beaten kid?

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 12:47 AM

For some of you to say Ron is a good father, or Ron has nothing to do with it is annoying. NOBODY KNOWS. We hafta assume all of them could have been involved until LE clears anybody else besides the AC man.

Personally....I don't think Ron killed Haleigh, but I think he's lieing about the fight with the cousin, and that messes with me.

Sorry to jump in this so late. I actually had a date tonight. Short and nice.

Didn't bio dad's mom say the fight occured two weeks ago. Very strange, because I thought it was more recent. Not necessarily the day Haleigh was taken, but maybe the day before. The THs make me scratch my own head. I hate that they can say anything.

Leather&Lace

02-21-2009, 12:47 AM

Thowing in my 2 cents.

First off, I cannot even identify with the bio-mom, Crystal Sheffield. Instead of starting a new relationship and having another child, why hasn't she focused on cleaning up her act to get custody her children? Every time Crystal is asked a question during interview she shrugs her shoulders and says, "I don't know". Well, why doesn't she know? Where is this young woman's fight to get custody of her children and be aware of exactly what is going on in their life?

If Haleigh was physically abused by her father, Ronald Cummings, then you'd think the bio-mom would see that abuse during visitation. Both Crystal and her mother, Mrs. Griffis, said the children said they were slapped at home. Well, neither one of them said the children looked physically abused. Of course, I do not know how long they have been doing the visitation visits every 2 weeks on a regular, consistent basis.

With all of the photo programs out there, the pro's best make sure it is not an embelished picture. I just do not like the smut that Geraldo throws on his program. Geraldo is just making a dime at the expense of a family that is already devastated with pain. If he is wrong about this, I hope he is sued to the hilt!:angry:

JMO
Emme

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:48 AM

I am not ruling them out but I just find it out hard to believe that these two could have pulled this off without being arrested in day or two. I mean if these two are arrested tomorrow they lasted longer free than I would have thought.g

I agree. They don't seem like the sharpest knives in the drawer. To pull this off for this long would be amazing. I do think one or both might know more then they have said though.

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 12:48 AM

Hi Rosie.......I left right after you did. For some reason I thought bed wetting would factor into this the first day when this broke. So when Misty came out with the BW story my ears really perked up.

Appears you were correct about the b/w. I think it is high on the list of reasons kids are abused.

O/T Did you read last week where attys for MacDonald requested leave of the court to withdraw as his attys of record. Judge Fox granted their request. I apologize for being off topic.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:50 AM

Sorry to jump in this so late. I actually had a date tonight. Short and nice.

Didn't bio dad's mom say the fight occured two weeks ago. Very strange, because I thought it was more recent. Not necessarily the day Haleigh was taken, but maybe the day before. The THs make me scratch my own head. I hate that they can say anything.

well two weeks ago would be shortly before Haleigh vanished. Ron acts like no fight has ever occured. Glad your date went well! :)

playnice

02-21-2009, 12:50 AM

I think calla could be right and GR got his stories mised up and it was Rhianna's photos of the badly beaten face. Boy if he did he may be in big trouble.

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:50 AM

You don't think he couldd have gotten confused when collecting info on this from his sources?

Like maybe got Rhianna's photo mixed up in the Haleigh story and just blurted out what he got over the phone five minutes before he went on?

Honey, don't go there...I think Geraldo remains in a perpetual state of confusion. Do I think he could mistake a photo of Rhianna for that of a five year old girl, yeah, possibly... :thumbsup:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:52 AM

Don Clark is coordinating this effort? I thought he retired, and several posters cleared that up with you days ago, Adalena. Do you still believe that, and do you have a link to Don Clark "coordinating this effort" instead of saying "Source: CNN"? all the time?

It is kinda hard to keep all the sources lined up. I think you need to simmer down. teasing....teasing....:)

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 12:52 AM

For some of you to say Ron is a good father, or Ron has nothing to do with it is annoying. NOBODY KNOWS. We hafta assume all of them could have been involved until LE clears anybody else besides the AC man.

Personally....I don't think Ron killed Haleigh, but I think he's lieing about the fight with the cousin, and that messes with me.

Heck...I don't know. Nancy Grace was getting all teary that Ron didn't search for his daughter today BECAUSE NO ONE CAME TO ASK HIM. Seriously? Folks have to ask him? Sorry....my bad.

With you. I do not think for a minute that Ron hurt Haleigh. At the same time, don't think anyone close to her did. I don't know what happened. Such a beautiful little girl.

Calla

02-21-2009, 12:53 AM

Honey, don't go there...I think Geraldo remains in a perpetual state of confusion. Do I think he could mistake a photo of Rhianna for that of a five year old girl, yeah, possibly... :thumbsup:

LOL I don't think he mistook her photo for a five year old but I do think if he was being fed info over the phone he could hurriedly report something in error

wah

02-21-2009, 12:53 AM

I haven't read every single piece of written info about this case or these people but, if Ron did abuse her, don't ya think the bio mom would have made a big deal out of that in court for cutody? Or did she and I'm just not aware of it?

Nope, not unless she has recovered from her abuse. IMO she doesn't even acknowledge that she was abused.(it was her fault)

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:53 AM

There has to be some responsibility if GR is wrong. You can't say stuff like that and then say.."ooops I was wrong." The damage is done when you say someone is a child beater, even if it's proven false later.

Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 12:54 AM

g

I agree. They don't seem like the sharpest knives in the drawer. To pull this off for this long would be amazing. I do think one or both might know more then they have said though.

To me I just want whoever did this caught. But as far as we know neither Ron or Misty have a lawyer so LE have been grilling them proabably everyday since this has happened. I just don't see these two making it beyond day two of this terrible crime.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 12:56 AM

To me I just want whoever did this caught. But as far as we know neither Ron or Misty have a lawyer so LE have been grilling them proabably everyday since this has happened. I just don't see these two making it beyond day two of this terrible crime.

I think it's wrong that they don't have a lawyer. I guess it really comes down to money and thats not fair.

catdoc

02-21-2009, 12:57 AM

Who has said Ron killed her? You find the post, and I'll wait. :)

Geraldo said she was dead, flat out. He also claims her father is guilty of felony child abuse, flat out. If you take what he says as gospel you can't deny that he is implying that the child is dead because of Ron.

What is it about this man who has lost a child, possibly due to a sexual predator, that invokes such hatred and venom in you?? He's a redneck. He's poor. He srewed up with drugs once as a teenager. He's irresponsible with birth control. He's uneducated. He's a day labourer. He's a single parent.He lacks, in your words, "class".

He sounds and looks just like the family I grew up with.

tybek

02-21-2009, 12:58 AM

LOL I don't think he mistook her photo for a five year old but I do think if he was being fed info over the phone he could hurriedly report something in error

OK, seriously, yes, I do think it is possible that's what happened.

Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 12:58 AM

I think it's wrong that they don't have a lawyer. I guess it really comes down to money and thats not fair.

I would think that they could get a public defender. Maybe not.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 12:59 AM

well two weeks ago would be shortly before Haleigh vanished. Ron acts like no fight has ever occured. Glad your date went well! :)

Okay.....said two weeks ago (Anthony case lingers). But really, didn't Neves say the gun issue was two weeks ago.

Side note....Date? I hate dating again. Grrrr.. He is nice. Not much else.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:01 AM

Kelly3820

02-21-2009, 01:02 AM

Good night everyone! Prayers for Haleigh! Please Dear Lord this child needs to come home! Godspeed Haleigh!!!!!!

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:03 AM

Geraldo said she was dead, flat out. He also claims her father is guilty of felony child abuse, flat out. If you take what he says as gospel you can't deny that he is implying that the child is dead because of Ron.

What is it about this man who has lost a child, possibly due to a sexual predator, that invokes such hatred and venom in you?? He's a redneck. He's poor. He srewed up with drugs once as a teenager. He's irresponsible with birth control. He's uneducated. He's a day labourer. He's a single parent.He lacks, in your words, "class".

He sounds and looks just like the family I grew up with.

I don't have venom with Ron. I just don't think he should be hailed as a great father. I feel sorry for the whole family. I still think Haleigh might be alive actually.

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:03 AM

I would think that they could get a public defender. Maybe not.

They can't have a public defender unless they are charged with something. They aren't facing any charges so far.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:04 AM

I have no doubt keeping all the sources lined up is "kinda hard" for you, "Rick".

P.S. Please stop PMing me. I'll neither read them, nor respond.

why are you pissed at me?

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 01:04 AM

Geraldo said she was dead, flat out. He also claims her father is guilty of felony child abuse, flat out. If you take what he says as gospel you can't deny that he is implying that the child is dead because of Ron.

What is it about this man who has lost a child, possibly due to a sexual predator, that invokes such hatred and venom in you?? He's a redneck. He's poor. He srewed up with drugs once as a teenager. He's irresponsible with birth control. He's uneducated. He's a day labourer. He's a single parent.He lacks, in your words, "class".

He sounds and looks just like the family I grew up with.

I didn't bother to read back. Have to say, that is where I come from too. I don't believe Ron had anything to do with this, other than making mistakes. Come on, we all have. Sad, the consequences in this case. No doubt, raised the way I was, there but for the grace of God go I. I pray to God this sweet baby is found. Please God???? Please???? This is not a new world, just today. Think.

Calla

02-21-2009, 01:05 AM

I'm not a fan of Ron and Misty, but imagine if they really had ZERO to do with any of this....

They will have been exposed as Drug addicts, abusers, stupid, young, living in a tent, uneducated, forgetfull, story changers, living in a small trailer, etc....

I think thats pretty sad thats how they will be remembered when this circus leaves town.

Well I have to agree with that. I hope nothing like this ever happens in my screwy family because the public will devour us all!

It is sad that the lying psychos out there have opened up all 'real' victims to doubt and scrutiny from the moment their lives are touched by tragedy

wah

02-21-2009, 01:06 AM

:cursing:There has to be some responsibility if GR is wrong. You can't say stuff like that and then say.."ooops I was wrong." The damage is done when you say someone is a child beater, even if it's proven false later.

ITA!!!!! I used to think that what the TH'S said was true.
Now I got a beef with each and everyone of em:cursing:
So, we already know that the weather man is full of chit,
now I have to realize that the entire news's shows are full of it.:cursing:
Mercy me ...........

emdragon

02-21-2009, 01:07 AM

Don Clark is coordinating this effort? I thought he retired, and several posters cleared that up with you days ago, Adalena. Do you still believe that, and do you have a link to Don Clark "coordinating this effort" instead of saying "Source: CNN"? all the time?

Yep it has Been shown repeatedly that Clark is not involved in this case but she ignores it.

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 01:07 AM

I would think that they could get a public defender. Maybe not.

don't they have to be charged with something first?

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:07 AM

I'm not a fan of Ron and Misty, but imagine if they really had ZERO to do with any of this....

They will have been exposed as Drug addicts, abusers, stupid, young, living in a tent, uneducated, forgetfull, story changers, living in a small trailer, etc....

I think thats pretty sad thats how they will be remembered when this circus leaves town.

They wouldn't be the first...I can think of a few other cases where parents who were totally uninvolved had their every transgression, minor or major, exposed and their lifestyle mocked. On top of the pain of a missing or murdered child. JMO

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 01:07 AM

That's the sad thing when something like this happens. These media hounds and everyone else goes digging and finding info on you from way back in your teens years even. It's like "OMG did you know he scratched his a** in public when he was 17?" Oh the horror. :rolleyes:

I really think people just need to keep the focus on the issue at hand. And, in this case, that is the missing little girl. I'm sure dirt, be big or small, could be drug up on many people. But, does it really have anything to do with the issue at hand? Ya know? Kinda like how everyone is so worried about Misty smoking. Uh, I think that is the least of our, and their, worries.

I'm not a fan of Ron and Misty, but imagine if they really had ZERO to do with any of this....

They will have been exposed as Drug addicts, abusers, stupid, young, living in a tent, uneducated, forgetfull, story changers, living in a small trailer, etc....

I think thats pretty sad thats how they will be remembered when this circus leaves town.

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 01:08 AM

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:10 AM

ppl forget......and if they look bad, well...maybe they should clean up their act.....IMO

But what if all they did was suffer the loss of a child at no fault of thier own???

summer4meplz

02-21-2009, 01:11 AM

They wouldn't be the first...I can think of a few other cases where parents who were totally uninvolved had their every transgression, minor or major, exposed and their lifestyle mocked. On top of the pain of a missing or murdered child. JMO

I don't remember Danielle's mother's name, or exactly what she said, but something to the effect of...."drag me through the mud, I don't care, just find my daughter!"

catdoc

02-21-2009, 01:11 AM

I don't have venom with Ron. I just don't think he should be hailed as a great father. I feel sorry for the whole family. I still think Haleigh might be alive actually.

I have yet to read ONe post that hails him as a great father. Not one. Must have missed all of them. I will do a search.

I would like to read what you have to write about someone you DO hate. Just to know what else you could venomously spout.

I do not know RC. Certainly don't get the impression he is a role model. But I recognize him.

If he turns out to be a child killer or covering for a child killer,,, then I will hate him.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 01:14 AM

Heck...I don't know. Nancy Grace was getting all teary that Ron didn't search for his daughter today BECAUSE NO ONE CAME TO ASK HIM. Seriously? Folks have to ask him? Sorry....my bad.

With you. I do not think for a minute that Ron hurt Haleigh. At the same time, don't think anyone close to her did. I don't know what happened. Such a beautiful little girl.

It wasn't that no one came to ask him to search it was because there were no volunteers to search with.

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:15 AM

Yip thats how it goes. And the Sunshine Law will not kick in till that time either.

It would be nice if someone came forward to help them as a public spokesperson and to manage the chaos. Because what an overwhelming position to be in. I would hope that some of the missing child experts/organizations and foundations (the credible ones, cough cough) have reached out to help them. They need help at this time. And those credible parents/organizations who have been there are pretty good at judging if something is hinky or not, despite whatever junk is floating around in the media. JMO

wah

02-21-2009, 01:17 AM

Thats a good question. But if Ron has custody of the kids, her porch must be even more dirty.

Give her a break, this issue could be as simple as 'an over the state line' thing. jmo
At least HC would be accounted for if with her momma.

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:18 AM

I don't remember Danielle's mother's name, or exactly what she said, but something to the effect of...."drag me through the mud, I don't care, just find my daughter!"

I remember Marc Klass saying a parent trying to find their child is so desperate that they will immediately agree to submit to a lie detector test because they know they are innocent and they know it will help the police move past looking at them as a prime suspect and focus toward the real criminal. To Ron and Misty's credit, they both willingly and quickly agreed to a lie detector. JMO

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:20 AM

I don't remember Danielle's mother's name, or exactly what she said, but something to the effect of...."drag me through the mud, I don't care, just find my daughter!"

BTW, that was definitely one of the cases I was thinking of...

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:21 AM

I remember Marc Klass saying a parent trying to find their child is so desperate that they will immediately agree to submit to a lie detector test because they know they are innocent and they know it will help the police move past looking at them as a prime suspect and focus toward the real criminal. To Ron and Misty's credit, they both willingly and quickly agreed to a lie detector. JMOy

Yes they did, but I wonder why LE won't at least say they did pass so rumors don't run rampant.

wah

02-21-2009, 01:24 AM

y

Yes they did, but I wonder why LE won't at least say they did pass so rumors don't run rampant.

They both did??

Calla

02-21-2009, 01:25 AM

y

Yes they did, but I wonder why LE won't at least say they did pass so rumors don't run rampant.

Maybe they want the "real" culprit to hear the rampant rumors and let their guard down :confused:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:28 AM

They both did??

Both did what? I said "Yes they did" in agreeance that they both quickly took a polygraph right away.

3Monkeys

02-21-2009, 01:28 AM

A couple of random thoughts about Geraldo's report earlier.

I wonder what makes Geraldo believe with such certainty that Ron is the person who caused the alleged bruises on Haleigh? He was not her only caregiver... we know of Misty (I believe she was around back in Nov/08), Crystal, and possibly Crystals fiance. I'm in no way defending or pointing the finger at anyone - I'm just wondering why Geraldo believes he KNOWS it's Ron.

I didn't see the actual report, but I read on this board (around post 249 or so) that the injury supposedly happened in school, but Geraldo says no way those are schoolyard injuries. If this happened while at school, couldn't that be why photo's were taken? Also, if it DID happen in school, wouldn't a teacher or someone at the school have seen a 'not banged up Haleigh' followed by an 'injured' Haleigh? Wouldn't that be enough to prove that the injuries didn't happen at home?

My take on it is that Geraldo KNOWS that the injury to Haleigh happened at school, but is putting a spin on it tonight with a disclaimer that his crew is 'checking the facts'... so tune in tomorrow to find out the results.... a big promo for what will turn out to be a story about ho Haleigh fell off the slide and scraped her knee, or something like that.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:30 AM

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:33 AM

I've wondered about that as well because I'm sure when Mark Klass took his they announced it and didnt they say that Mark lunsford passed his after he took it?

One of my theories was that they were after this cousin "Joe", but they were worried he would panick and hurt Haleigh if he knew he was thier target, so they kept Ron and Misty as "apparent" targets. Then again.....with this case my theory changes everyday! :)

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:35 AM

I've wondered about that as well because I'm sure when Mark Klass took his they announced it and didnt they say that Mark lunsford passed his after he took it?

I remember when Stever Groene took his, at first LE was quiet about it. It was only after Groene himself started telling the press that he didn't think LE believed him and that he believed he had failed the lie detector that the FBI came forward and said he had passed.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:35 AM

thats the impression i got as well and i hope it's based on facts and not just sour grapes

seems pretty severe for sour grapes though and detailed as well.

:confused:

If Geraldo proves that Ron abused Haleigh in the past, but in the end Ron has nothing to do with Haleigh's disapearence......what was the point? That kinda seems like a personal grudge.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 01:37 AM

They can't have a public defender unless they are charged with something. They aren't facing any charges so far.

But they can stop talking. I would also imagine that if they haven't had lawyers offer their services they certainly will after GR airs his "bomb shell"

3Monkeys

02-21-2009, 01:38 AM

The anger he showed tells me that someone close to the family is supplying Geraldo with info. He seems so certain.

As I said, I didn't see it, so I can't gauge his emotion. I guess we'll all 'tune in' and see. :smile:

I'm still not sure how this could happen at school without being easily proved/disproved.

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:38 AM

Both did what? I said "Yes they did" in agreeance that they both quickly took a polygraph right away.

I'm pretty sure they both took one. I just reread a CNN transcript from a jane velez-mitchell interview in which they discuss BOTH Ron & Misty haven taken one.

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 01:40 AM

Yes and according to mom and grandma she had not wet the bed in 2 yrs at there home.......Makes you wonder!!

:thumbup:O/T No I had not. Thanks for the info Rosie!

Sure does make one wonder. It could be she had a bad dream or drank too much liquid before bed. Still....2 yrs, that's a long time to not wet the bed. I hope and pray the little sweetheart is alive and okay.

I think ykw is at the end of his rope legally. He wanted 2 attys to appeal the last denial and they withdrew from the case. Not much left to do now. He is where he belongs, imo.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:42 AM

I'm pretty sure they both took one. I just reread a CNN transcript from a jane velez-mitchell interview in which they discuss BOTH Ron & Misty haven taken one.

Ty...yeah they did both take poly's, and they took them right away which is a good sign. I just wish LE would say they passed so the focus can shift from them. Until that happens, I feel like something is odd.

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:42 AM

One of my theories was that they were after this cousin "Joe", but they were worried he would panick and hurt Haleigh if he knew he was thier target, so they kept Ron and Misty as "apparent" targets. Then again.....with this case my theory changes everyday! :)

It has occurred to me that maybe LE is mum on it because although they don't think misty & ron hurt haleigh, they do have evidence of other lies they told ( or incriminations) in the lie detector, so they are keeping mum. Like perhaps not being home when one said they were...

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 01:43 AM

i know what you mean... but in some ways I'm happy their just speak for themselves

so far I've thought they are just plain spoken country type people and in a way that's a refreshing change from all the packaged doled out statements by other families who almost run for a lawyer and a public relations firm before they call 911 and it's a steady diet of SPIN SPIN SPIN... :angry:

of course if we find out they had something to do with her dissapearance I will feel differently

AGAIN....Ron needs an attorney. Bet he has been approached by many. I know he thinks he doesn't need one, but he really does. For many reasons. I wish my brother's attorney could talk to Ron. My heart aches for Ron.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:44 AM

It has occurred to me that maybe LE is mum on it because although they don't think misty & ron hurt haleigh, they do have evidence of other lies they told ( or incriminations) in the lie detector, so they are keeping mum. Like perhaps not being home when one said they were...

I think thats a really good possibility!

Calla

02-21-2009, 01:44 AM

I always wonder that too. Can't these sickos at least spaer these kids of thier life after they have taken thier innocence?

There is hope. I still have hope. There is no point in killing her to keep her quiet when with today's forensics and investigative tools, they will still be found and punished. Thankfully not all sex offenders kill their victims.

I'm alive

tybek

02-21-2009, 01:45 AM

Ty...yeah they did both take poly's, and they took them right away which is a good sign. I just wish LE would say they passed so the focus can shift from them. Until that happens, I feel like something is odd.

It may very well be that LE's focus has shifted from them. It would be nice if everyone else's focus would shift from them too if they passed. But frankly LE may not care who folks like NG and GR and john. q. public focus on...

JMO

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:46 AM

There is hope. I still have hope. There is no point in killing her to keep her quiet when with today's forensics and investigative tools, they will still be found and punished. Thankfully not all sex offenders kill their victims.

I'm alive

I hope it IS a family grudge because her chances of being kidnapped to prove a point are better then being killed.

nana2

02-21-2009, 01:47 AM

Themis

02-21-2009, 01:48 AM

Don K. Clark, former FBI Agent, retired from the federal government on February 3, 2000 after 35 years of service.

See Page 3, 1st sentence of paragraph 3 of the linked document.

http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law/criminal-offenses-crimes-against/5804032-1.html

This above document consists of an extensive biography of Don K. Clark.
********

Another link to Don K. Clark, retired from the FBI after 25 years of service plus another 10 years in the military. Retired from the federal government, 2/3/200.

http://www.tamuspac.org/bios/DonClark.aspx

He also appears frequently on Fox News Channel, CNN and MSNBC Cable Networks and on a variety of radio programs nationwide to discuss terrorism, security and crime prevention issues.

See paragraph 4.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:48 AM

I'm still stuck in the house.....so to speak. I just can't imagine any stranger grabbing a brick from the yard and using it to prop a door on thier way to an abduction.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:49 AM

Why is Don Clark so important???

emdragon

02-21-2009, 01:50 AM

I've wondered about that as well because I'm sure when Mark Klass took his they announced it and didnt they say that Mark lunsford passed his after he took it?

I think this Police department saw the circus that just happened and is still happening in the Anthony case and felt not commenting was their best way to go here.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:52 AM

I think this Police department saw the circus that just happened and is still happening in the Anthony case and felt not commenting was their best way to go here.

I think you are right. I imagine most cases are going to learn from the Anthony case from here on out.

Calla

02-21-2009, 01:54 AM

How very sad that things have changed so much for our children. To know I can't take my eyes off my child and have to be so very careful about who she associates with, where she goes, who she talks to, and to think , I may have to start staying up all night to watch the doors...It is sickening and I am disturbed

SavannahStar

02-21-2009, 01:54 AM

I think this Police department saw the circus that just happened and is still happening in the Anthony case and felt not commenting was their best way to go here.

Oh I'm absolutely certain that's true! And kudos to them for that.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:54 AM

I was browsing through here and WS today and I was thinking....it's almost incredible how many people are missing in this country! One missing person can effect so many people for the rest of thier lives.

Calla

02-21-2009, 01:56 AM

G'nite all
:sleep:
Prayers for Haleigh's safe return

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:57 AM

'night Calla

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 01:59 AM

I remember someone posted a link to this site a while back on another thread. I just checked it again and visited their forum area and see they have lot's of links to info. Even public records on Ron and Crystal and stuff.

Sorry if these sort of things have been posted elsewhere. Just thought some would like to see it.

http://www.briansprediction.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=243

Rick777

02-21-2009, 01:59 AM

was it used to hold a screen door open?

If it's an older style that has a spring instead of a hydraulic type of return on the screen door they swing back and make one heck of a racket... if the guy is gonna sneak in and carry haliegh out... he wouldnt have his arms free to close the screen door quietly... so maybe he just propped it open so it wouldnt swing back and clatter against the house as he left?

well then they had to get lucky to find a brick on the way, right. What would they have done if there were no bricks in the yard. I don't know....my brain hurts. :sleep:

Rick777

02-21-2009, 02:01 AM

I don't care who did what at this point. I just want a happy ending for a change.

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 02:02 AM

LMFAO! I think it was a wig.

Whoever did that's woman's hair should be sued! I was like WTF is it a bad wig?

Rick777

02-21-2009, 02:03 AM

well i havent followed this case closely... thats why i asked if it was a screen door

I thought i heard there was a whole pile of the bricks near the house? no? or were they a ways away?

From what I recall, they were 15 yards away and somewhat hidden by brush. Ron said he never knew they were there.

Rick777

02-21-2009, 02:04 AM

I wonder if Ron and Misty are making some money with all the interviews. Isn't that standard protocal?

Rick777

02-21-2009, 02:05 AM

Joan.....what case do you follow the most?

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:08 AM

It would be nice if someone came forward to help them as a public spokesperson and to manage the chaos. Because what an overwhelming position to be in. I would hope that some of the missing child experts/organizations and foundations (the credible ones, cough cough) have reached out to help them. They need help at this time. And those credible parents/organizations who have been there are pretty good at judging if something is hinky or not, despite whatever junk is floating around in the media. JMO
Maybe there have been offers of help.
Maybe those offers of help to act in the capacity of 'spokesperson' were refused.

It appears that these 2 families, the Cummings and the Sheffields, are sometimes united and at other times in two separate camps.
And even these two scenarios are fluid.

Misty Croslin has no legal or blood connection to either family. Her only connection, as I see it, is an emotional one to Ronald Cummings. Based on that she has been a live-in caregiver to the Haleigh and Junior for about 6 months. She's very much in the middle and under the spotlight for obvious reasons. JMO

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:14 AM

Why is Don Clark so important???

I put up post #449 because at least one poster has said that Don Clark from the FBI is somehow actively involved in investigating the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

I thought it would be helpful to those interested to read with certainty that Don K. Clark is retired from the FBI. That is why I went to the trouble of citing 2 sources that he retired from the FBI in 2/3/2000.

JMO

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 02:17 AM

I wonder if Ron and Misty are making some money with all the interviews. Isn't that standard protocal?

Ron & Misty don't strike me as money grubbers. Not like some families recently who have had tragedy hit. Could be wrong tho.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 02:18 AM

Reputable news shows do not pay for interviews.

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:22 AM

Reputable news shows do not pay for interviews.
How about shows like the Today Show with Matt Lauer?

Personally, I do not consider them a reputable news show in the strict sense of the word. [JMO]

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:31 AM

Could he be actively involved, but not as an FBI agent?

He may have retired from the FBI, but may work as a PI on the side or something.

I don't know, and you may be right.....just throwing it out there.

*Adding* Sorry love this one......he may be a consultant now, that seems popular these days. ;) *End of Add*
I do not want to put myself in the middle of something.:wink:

So, I ask that you read: #330 on page 9; #369, 381, 400 on page 10.

JMO

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:48 AM

Thats what I thought but who would even think to make a wig like that?
And for what purpuse? I guess it could be used to scare away intruders. Hey maybe we should make our kids wear them.
Just a reminder that an earlier thread was closed by the moderator and I believe it was because of this subject matter and the comments that were made. I'm not criticizing anyone, just pointing something out.JMO

emdragon

02-21-2009, 02:49 AM

How about shows like the Today Show with Matt Lauer?

Personally, I do not consider them a reputable news show in the strict sense of the word. [JMO]

No morning shows do not pay for interviews.

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 02:51 AM

LOL I was totally thinking of Sheneneh from Martin when I saw it/her. LOL

http://www.skslidethemes.com/themes/1238/thumb1.jpg

http://valdefierro.com/mrtnshnnh2.jpg

And who the heck knows why someone would want to wear that or make it. YIKES! :ohmy:

Thats what I thought but who would even think to make a wig like that?
And for what purpuse? I guess it could be used to scare away intruders. Hey maybe we should make our kids wear them.

SwineFeld

02-21-2009, 02:52 AM

Ooops. Guess we gotta watch and get back on track.

Just a reminder that an earlier thread was closed by the moderator and I believe it was because of this subject matter and the comments that were made. I'm not criticizing anyone, just pointing something out.JMO

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:56 AM

I've read through all of today's threads and yesterdays :::phew::: and I had a few thoughts to share.

Just because Ron (allegedly) physically abused Haleigh doesn't mean he doesn't love her. I could see a Dad that has abused a child being extremely upset when it is taken, as there is a chance there won't be a time to make amends.

GR can be a jerk, by all means ... but, I remember that he is the father of at least 2 little girls and really seems to take to heart the news stories about children. Now, does that mean he's not a sensationalist? Nah! BUT, I do think, in general, his heart is in the right place. I've seen him in the past literally turn red with anger over a child abuse/abduction story.

I don't think he made a mistake in his reporting due to a quick phone call. The "teaser" for his big news (the photo) was on the front page of foxnews.com much earlier in the afternoon, so it isn't like he talked to "Brother Craig" (I always think it'll be a priest popping up on the screen when GR introduces him! :tongueside: ) and just popped on to Bill O's show, mixing up his stories.

My impressions, for what they are worth, is that Misty is afraid of Ron; Ron is a bully, has an evil temper, and is used to getting his way.

I don't understand why numerous are saying that Haleigh's Mom should have held things against him to get Haleigh back ... I have the impression (having not heard any details) that she didn't particularly want the kids.

A Mom (Ron's? Misty's? Haleigh's Mom? too many Moms and mom-like figures in this story!) said in answer to a direct question from NG that there were NO drugs or drug use by Ron or Misty. Apparently not correct, and if it was public record, then she is lying.

Could that sister's hair be ANY more awful?

I was truly taken-aback when Bill O said that, in conclusion, Haleigh was dead. I wasn't ready to hear that so bluntly (and, supposedly, with no backing information).

Frankly, I'm surprised at the sniping on the message board. I haven't visited much since it left the CTV arena, and am just really dismayed. To argue with each other if it's OK to sleep in a bed with a child, watch TV in the bedroom with a kid, leave your doors unlocked and windows open, be a 17-year old babysitter, etc. are all opinions ... JUST opinions. It's OK to differ in your thinking, but it's the venom with which some posters strike that is really disheartening. This is a "forum" ... according to 2 different dictionary definitions: 1) A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, 2) an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

I wish they would ALL lawyer-up ... as it was pointed out, they don't think they need it, as they are (supposedly) innocent, but OH, they do! And honestly, I feel like the press from the Today Show on down to the gutter-snipes, are taking full advantage.

Thanks for 'listening' :seeya:
I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and opinions.
I say that cuz I know just how long it can take.:wink:
I did not catch Geraldo on O'Reilly; I only read about it here. I did not know till you wrote it that O'Reilly made such a comment -- his opinion; but I am still holding on to the hope she can be rescued.

I can see where you are coming from re your remarks about the tenor of some postings. I don't like it; try my best to avoid it. I will, on occasion, try to correct what I believe to be misinformation in hopes of preventing people being sidetracked. And also to prevent incorrect info being passed on and on and on.

JMO

Themis

02-21-2009, 02:59 AM

No morning shows do not pay for interviews.
Thank you for replying.

Then I wonder WHY would Misty Croslin agree to appear on it.

I just don't get it -- and it's not limited to Misty either.:confused: JMO

Themis

02-21-2009, 03:11 AM

This may have been discussed earlier and I missed it.

Is the Cummings mobile home still taped off? I assume it is.

Is it still being guarded 24 hours a day by a sheriff's deputy? JMO

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 03:11 AM

LOL I was totally thinking of Sheneneh from Martin when I saw it/her. LOL

http://www.skslidethemes.com/themes/1238/thumb1.jpg

http://valdefierro.com/mrtnshnnh2.jpg

And who the heck knows why someone would want to wear that or make it. YIKES! :ohmy:

LMAO How Funny. Needed a good laugh before bedtime. Thx.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 03:14 AM

Thank you for replying.

Then I wonder WHY would Misty Croslin agree to appear on it.

I just don't get it -- and it's not limited to Misty either.:confused: JMO

Why does anyone do interviews? To keep the case on the front burner maybe.

I'm too tired to get you link on the morning show- the one i found was actually about octo-moms mother and how she got paid since morning shows don't pay for interviews.

I don't believe Anderson Cooper or Larry King pay either (not positive about King but pretty sure i heard it somewhere.)

emdragon

02-21-2009, 03:18 AM

This may have been discussed earlier and I missed it.

Is the Cummings mobile home still taped off? I assume it is.

Is it still being guarded 24 hours a day by a sheriff's deputy? JMO

Yes it is still taped off and has not been released to the family- not sure if there is a guard but imagine so.

Ron was just sent a trailer to live in by a good Samaritan so he doesn't have to stay in a tent.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 03:20 AM

You know if I broke into a home, turned on the home owners kitchen light (which from Misty`s statement I take it can be seen from the bedroom) I would think I would be looking down the barrel of a gun when I walked into the bedroom.

Hey not if you had stolen the gun from the home earlier. Just saying.

Themis

02-21-2009, 03:22 AM

Why does anyone do interviews? To keep the case on the front burner maybe.

I'm too tired to get you link on the morning show- the one i found was actually about octo-moms mother and how she got paid since morning shows don't pay for interviews.

I don't believe Anderson Cooper or Larry King pay either (not positive about King but pretty sure i heard it somewhere.)
Thanks again for replying. No need for a link; didn't ask nor expected one.

The reasoning behind my question of 'WHY would she appear on the Today Show' is based on the assumption she has seen herself on TV and realizes she does not come across all that well.
Then again, she might think she does quite well. JMO

VC2

02-21-2009, 03:22 AM

The anger he showed tells me that someone close to the family is supplying Geraldo with info. He seems so certain.

maternal grandmother. She said some other things in the beginning that i think were proven untrue by the custody hearing. (one was as silly as crystal lost custody bc of the papers goign to the wrong address ..she forgot to mention there was a VITAL fact missing, that crystal and ron were both at the custody hearing, bio mom herself admitted she did not take Haleigh or her son for the needed doctor appointments etc.)

Someone mentioned could be why tes left so fast, LE also not wanting searchers..well if haleigh is supposedly dead to an abusive dad, she still needs to be found. imo LE is not handling it that well..looked at tes like outsiders or something.

and i do believe the absences, ron himself said something about he would be in trouble if haleigh missed another day, cannot believe that his reason for a bruised/beaten haleigh was it happened at school if it didn't. Obviously there would be witnesses there and im sure child services were called by whomever had the pic - imo maternal grandma - and the story checked out.

JMO

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 03:28 AM

Whoever did that's woman's hair should be sued! I was like WTF is it a bad wig?

Holy cow. Was thinking the same. Sadly, don't think it was a wig. Just a messed up peice of......ya know. I can say because.....There but for the Grace of God go I. Ouch.

Still.....so wrong.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 03:32 AM

This may have been discussed earlier and I missed it.

Is the Cummings mobile home still taped off? I assume it is.

Is it still being guarded 24 hours a day by a sheriff's deputy? JMO

Haven't bothered to read back, but I believe it it's still taped off as a crime scene. Neves said yesterday, and again today that Ron will never go back into the home. Ever.

PS....didn't mean that I didn't bother to read back. Just had an argument with my baby daddy. Baby is 21. Guess I'll never learn.:sad:

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 03:39 AM

Also, you don't know if someone is checking out the house.......

scary story for my sister, more than myself.....

but a guy that lived a couple houses down from where we grew up later was accused of molesting his niece..........

we didn't really think about it at the time other than how odd it was (about the footprints), and I think a bit naive in our thinking......

but after this was found out, my sister used to have footprints in the snow leading up to her window during the winter......

So looking back, my sister and I were pretty freaked out thinking that those same footprints were from this guy looking into her room at night.

That story gave me goosebumps. Scary. Hope all is well with your sis.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 03:39 AM

Also, you don't know if someone is checking out the house.......

scary story for my sister, more than myself.....

but a guy that lived a couple houses down from where we grew up later was accused of molesting his niece..........

we didn't really think about it at the time other than how odd it was (about the footprints), and I think a bit naive in our thinking......

but after this was found out, my sister used to have footprints in the snow leading up to her window during the winter......

So looking back, my sister and I were pretty freaked out thinking that those same footprints were from this guy looking into her room at night.

Yes.....you never know. Hope your family was ok.

When I was a teen, growing up in a somewhat small town (just now reading a book about this...."Big Eddy Club") there was a murderer.....killing elderly women within houses, blocks of my school. We were scared beyond belief. I wonder how Junior is. Anyone know who has him?

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 03:46 AM

Yeah GR who got on TV screaming.....Richard Ricci tell us where Elizabeth Smart is.....basically.....

hmmmmm, yeah......nope, think GR is a joke for so many reasons.

Again....for how many nights in a row I have said it? Ron needs an attorney. If for nothing but to keep a buffer between he and media. No?

ETA....Happy Nancy was so sweet to Ron and his plight earlier.

Themis

02-21-2009, 03:48 AM

Haven't bothered to read back, but I believe it it's still taped off as a crime scene. Neves said yesterday, and again today that Ron will never go back into the home. Ever.

PS....didn't mean that I didn't bother to read back. Just had an argument with my baby daddy. Baby is 21. Guess I'll never learn.:sad:
Thank you for replying.

If T. Neves said that her son, Ron, will never go back into that home ... ever why hasn't he gone to stay in a nearby relative's home?
Surely, there is someone in his family who has an extra bed. Why stay in a tent for 10 nights?

I mean really ... the tent was donated, the fire department donated a heater, food and drink is being donated, and today a woman donated a travel trailer for his use when the news said the tent had started to leak during the last rain.

Other family members are driving to and from his mobile home. Why can't he?:confused:

JMO

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 03:53 AM

Thank you for replying.

If T. Neves said that her son, Ron, will never go back into that home ... ever why hasn't he gone to stay with a nearby relative's home?
Surely, there is someone in his family who has an extra bed. Why stay in a tent for 10 nights?

I mean really ... the tent was donated, the fire department donated a heater, food and drink is being donated, and today a woman donated a travel trailer for his use when the news said the tent had started to leak during the last rain.

Other family members are driving to and from his mobile home. Why can't he?:confused:

JMO

Maybe we should cut Ron some slack. He wants to be close to the home where his daughter last was. Grief and emotions are all rolled up into one long hurt for him.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 03:58 AM

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 03:58 AM

I do not know who has Junior. Maybe the aunt with the hair.

I had to laugh at this post. It IS funny. LMAO:laugh:

catdoc

02-21-2009, 03:59 AM

Thank you for replying.

If T. Neves said that her son, Ron, will never go back into that home ... ever why hasn't he gone to stay in a nearby relative's home?
Surely, there is someone in his family who has an extra bed. Why stay in a tent for 10 nights?

I mean really ... the tent was donated, the fire department donated a heater, food and drink is being donated, and today a woman donated a travel trailer for his use when the news said the tent had started to leak during the last rain.

Other family members are driving to and from his mobile home. Why can't he?:confused:

JMO

I would be just like Ronl It has to do with being there when she comes home. Not letting her come home to an empty house. Just the thin hope that her kidnapper would drop her off at night and I would not be there for her would make me sleep on the ground if necessary.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 03:59 AM

Thank you for replying.

If T. Neves said that her son, Ron, will never go back into that home ... ever why hasn't he gone to stay in a nearby relative's home?
Surely, there is someone in his family who has an extra bed. Why stay in a tent for 10 nights?

I mean really ... the tent was donated, the fire department donated a heater, food and drink is being donated, and today a woman donated a travel trailer for his use when the news said the tent had started to leak during the last rain.

Other family members are driving to and from his mobile home. Why can't he?:confused:

JMO

Is he not in the donated RV tonight? Just assumed he was. Lopped all over the news tonight. If I were Ron, I'd stay right where I was....in the tent. Hate the way he spoke to and about Misty, but I still cannot believe he had anything to do with Haleigh's ........?

Hey.....I connot judge anything about htis case just yet. Just sayin.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 04:01 AM

I beleive the number was actually 40 something!!!

44 if I remember right.

Thank God we have a whopping 2 neither a level 3.

But then I have never been as concerned about the known Sex offenders but rather the ones that we don't know about.

catdoc

02-21-2009, 04:02 AM

*snipped*

THAT was HAIR?!??!?!? :scared:

I hope Jr. is not staying with Auntie Crystal. He probably already has nightmares. Doesn't need to see scary things during waking hours.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 04:03 AM

Last night I said I did not think Ron needs an attorney........I have change
my mind.

Thanks for getting it. Is there a happy dance thingy?

Nevermind, we don't need one. He does need an attorney. Ever noticed how few folks talk about Ron needing one? Huh? Speaks volumes to me.

Have just learned to adore you....Tree. XO

emdragon

02-21-2009, 04:04 AM

okay I have not been following this case closely but.... did they tell LE about this dude RIGHT AWAY? or are LE only becoming aware of him now in the last couple days?

good grief... a pedophile cousin that was there and leaves and at the same time haleigh dissappears and it's taken this long for that info to surface??

:scared:

Misti told them the same day Haleigh went missing.

emdragon

02-21-2009, 04:07 AM

Thanks for getting it. Is there a happy dance thingy?

Nevermind, we don't need one. He does need an attorney. Ever noticed how few folks talk about Ron needing one? Huh? Speaks volumes to me.

Have just learned to adore you....Tree. XO

I don't know if Ron really needs a criminal attorney but I think after the week-end he will want a Civil one.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 04:07 AM

Where is Junior? I hope to God not in that tent. Poor, sweet little baby boy.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 04:08 AM

I don't know if Ron really needs a criminal attorney but I think after the week-end he will want a Civil one.
Never said criminal. ALWAYS thought civil. With ya doll.

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 04:09 AM

the aunt could have the Lindberge baby or Jimmy Hoffa in that hair and no one would be the wiser!

maybe Junior's in there too :scared:

Oh My Gosh! How funny. you are on a roll tonight. Go Joan Go. :thumbsup:

emdragon

02-21-2009, 04:13 AM

Never said criminal. ALWAYS thought civil. With ya doll.

Oh OK got ya!

I just pray to God that the cousin is the one who has her- better chance she is still alive that way.

Themis

02-21-2009, 04:15 AM

I would be just like Ronl It has to do with being there when she comes home. Not letting her come home to an empty house. Just the thin hope that her kidnapper would drop her off at night and I would not be there for her would make me sleep on the ground if necessary.
Which is I asked for and got confirmation of earlier if a Sheriff's deputy was still standing guard in from of the mobile home 24 hrs/day.
I firmly believe LE has that place staked out thoroughly.
It would take a stupid kidnapper to return the victim to the scene of the crime. In this case, it's fairly apparent the kidnapper must rather clever and savvy to do what is believed to have taken place in order to grab Haleigh.
If Haleigh is dropped off anywhere; the person finding her will call LE first and she would be taken immediately to the hospital and Ron would be called immediately to go there to be there for her.
He won't do himself or Haleigh any good if he gets sick and ends up in the hospital himself.
He has another child, Junior, who needs him desperately. Think of Junior -- he's only 4 and all of a sudden his Dad is not there for him.
JMO

rosieposett

02-21-2009, 04:16 AM

thanks rosie :)

i would.. but i guess i should settle down.. this is a serious subject and i dont want to seem disrespectful to Haleigh or the concern everyone has for her safe return.

I just had never seen hair like that and it made me a bit goofy. :unsure:

Late night makes us all crazy at times. I never doubted you had Haleigh in your heart and in the forefront of your thoughts.

Good night all.

Mayasmimi

02-21-2009, 04:20 AM

Oh OK got ya!

I just pray to God that the cousin is the one who has her- better chance she is still alive that way.

I wish, but doubt this precious one is alive I hope I am wrong.. Something is bad here. Just like with Caylee. Something we cannot put our finger on. This little baby? So very sad.

catdoc

02-21-2009, 04:20 AM

Which is I asked for and got confirmation of earlier if a Sheriff's deputy was still standing guard in from of the mobile home 24 hrs/day.
I firmly believe LE has that place staked out thoroughly.
It would take a stupid kidnapper to return the victim to the scene of the crime. In this case, it's fairly apparent the kidnapper must rather clever and savvy to do what is believed to have taken place in order to grab Haleigh.
If Haleigh is dropped off anywhere; the person finding her will call LE first and she would be taken immediately to the hospital and Ron would be called immediately to go there to be there for her.
He won't do himself or Haleigh any good if he gets sick and ends up in the hospital himself.
He has another child, Junior, who needs him desperately. Think of Junior -- he's only 4 and all of a sudden his Dad is not there for him.
JMO

I agree. I doesn't make actual sense, logically. but I would still feel like leaving would be like giving up.