Friday February 20th #1

[MoonFlwr]

Morning All

Started a thread for today as one had not been started yet.

:rose: for Haleigh.

[Armchairdet]

Thank you for the new thread. No news I see. Today seems like a nice day for a miracle. Prayers that Haleigh comes home today.

[gino1234]

Come Home Hyleigh!!!!!!

:rose:

[bluwaters]

Good Morning
There are lots of new articles posted in the Links thread.

I pray that Haleigh comes safely home today.

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

I'm off to work.
Now, I'm counting on y'all to have good news when I get back!

[beachpatty]

Morning All

Started a thread for today as one had not been started yet.

:rose: for Haleigh.



o here you are moonie! I just read the whole thread from yesterday and was wondering where you were, good to "see" you, as always :smile:
thanx for the new thread, let's hope this is the last daily thread we will need, a "Haleigh found alive & safe" would be the best possible thing to log on here and read!

beachpatty

[Armchairdet]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

[Former Juror]

I understand co-sleeping. I have a 3-year old that came into our room during the night last night. :smile:

But, I do have a problem with co-sleeping when it is the children's dad's 17-year old girlfriend. IMO, it is NEVER in a child's best interest to have a parent move his/her boy/girlfriend in and have that person take over the roll of primary parenting.

[Armchairdet]

I understand co-sleeping. I have a 3-year old that came into our room during the night last night. :smile:

But, I do have a problem with co-sleeping when it is the children's dad's 17-year old girlfriend. IMO, it is NEVER in a child's best interest to have a parent move his/her boy/girlfriend in and have that person take over the roll of primary parenting.

Yes but is your three year old childs bed set up in your room? I mean none of my business really. I am just saying I think it is natural for them to also have a room of their own if space allows. IMO

I mean who knows, maybe they do and it just wasn't mentioned.

I just bring it up because maybe there was a reason they wanted the kids in their sight at all times. IMO

[odyssey]

I wrote a question on the other thread but I could not figure out how to repost here, getting old and all of that so I will try to post it here.

I have given a lot of thought to why there was the co sleeping with the children in the fathers room. I know it is done all the time, probably more then we know but does anybody think that there may be more to this then they just moved in and have not set up the childrens room.
I wonder if Ron wanted the kids close by because he was worried about someone coming into the home and kidnapping the children? Apparently there are a lot of SO close by, but I have to wonder if it was something more that he thought the kids would be in danger of maybe revenge for something he had done.

On the issue of his conversation with Police I suspect this man may have anger issues that he has not worked through. I can imagine with what little I have seen and heard of him that Misti is more afraid of him then the police. The other thought is maybe Misti knows who took Haleigh and has been threatened to not tell anyone. Maybe she was threatened or her family or Ron's family were threatened?

There are so many things that we don't know about this family that it makes it hard to tell what is going on. I usually get vibes about cases. Like in the Caylee case there were some very apparent red flags going off about what Casey did to her daughter. But in this case I am not getting a feel for red flags. I am concerned with what Misti has told the authorities, but I get a feeling there is more to this case then what we are hearing. I do not believe Misti is anything like Casey but something is not right. Also the fact that Ron and Misti have not lawyered up tells me that both could be innocent. But there is something that is coming off weird.

Can anyone help me to better understand this situation?

jmoo

They moved to the three bedroom so that each child could have their own room. As for why they were all in the same bedroom, I believe it was an innocent reason .. the A/C man was over that day working on what I assume was the central heat and air. Perhaps the heat was not working properly so they were sleeping in one bedroom to only have to worry about keeping the one room warm at night .. also it has been reported the kids were watching television before going to sleep so they may all sleep in the bedroom because it is the bedroom that has the t.v. in it. Maybe the kids just don't like to sleep alone.
Someone mentioned earlier that it is required by law for each of those children to have their own rooms. They do. But it is not required by law that they must sleep in those rooms. My son is three and a half, has his own room, and still sleeps with me each night.

I don't believe Misty did anything to Haleigh. I have not read anything that makes me suspicious of her. The only thing I don't understand (and this is pure curiosity, not suspicion) is why her blanket was in a van if it was. I'd like to know if they got it back.

[n/t]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

Are we back to them sleeping all together? I thought that was no longer the case. Didn't Misty say Haleigh was sleeping in her own bed? I'm confused.

[beachpatty]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

I didn't know, or never heard, that they just moved into that mobile home. It is possible that they didn't have the kids room set up yet, maybe needed to get furniture or window coverings, even.

Has it been reported anywhere, where they moved from?

TIA,
Beachpatty

[n/t]

I wrote a question on the other thread but I could not figure out how to repost here, getting old and all of that so I will try to post it here.

I have given a lot of thought to why there was the co sleeping with the children in the fathers room. I know it is done all the time, probably more then we know but does anybody think that there may be more to this then they just moved in and have not set up the childrens room.
I wonder if Ron wanted the kids close by because he was worried about someone coming into the home and kidnapping the children? Apparently there are a lot of SO close by, but I have to wonder if it was something more that he thought the kids would be in danger of maybe revenge for something he had done.

On the issue of his conversation with Police I suspect this man may have anger issues that he has not worked through. I can imagine with what little I have seen and heard of him that Misti is more afraid of him then the police. The other thought is maybe Misti knows who took Haleigh and has been threatened to not tell anyone. Maybe she was threatened or her family or Ron's family were threatened?

There are so many things that we don't know about this family that it makes it hard to tell what is going on. I usually get vibes about cases. Like in the Caylee case there were some very apparent red flags going off about what Casey did to her daughter. But in this case I am not getting a feel for red flags. I am concerned with what Misti has told the authorities, but I get a feeling there is more to this case then what we are hearing. I do not believe Misti is anything like Casey but something is not right. Also the fact that Ron and Misti have not lawyered up tells me that both could be innocent. But there is something that is coming off weird.

Can anyone help me to better understand this situation?

jmoo

Good post grammy. I get the sense that something was going on prior to Haleigh going missing. Hopefully, LE will get to the bottom of it.

[Armchairdet]

Are we back to them sleeping all together? I thought that was no longer the case. Didn't Misty say Haleigh was sleeping in her own bed? I'm confused.

I thought it was her own bed four feet, or four inches from the adult bed. IMO. So for me anyway that would mean that they stayed in the master bedroom IMO. I think it is hard for everyone to understand the exact same things at the exact same time. I meant no harm in my post. I just may have not understood the facts at the same time you did. I am sorry. As I said I was just posting to try to understand.

[IlliniFan]

Flagler County helps in search for missing girl


Flagler officials said Thursday they believe new information may have surfaced in the case of the missing girl, prompting officials to resume search efforts that were abandoned earlier in the week.

(portion of the article)


http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newFLAG01022009.htm

[Former Juror]

Yes but is your three year old childs bed set up in your room? I mean none of my business really. I am just saying I think it is natural for them to also have a room of their own if space allows. IMO

I mean who knows, maybe they do and it just wasn't mentioned.

I just bring it up because maybe there was a reason they wanted the kids in their sight at all times. IMO

I have three kids, and they each have their own rooms. I just meant that I do not fault anyone whose child comes into bed with them at times. My theory is that you do what you do to get sleep.

My friends have a 4 bedroom house, yet their one child does have a bed set up in their room. It is simply out of convenience. Instead of working with their child on sleeping in his own room, they have decided to just let him stay in their room in his own bed. He's 5, and it is not a decision I would make.

[n/t]

I thought it was her own bed four feet, or four inches from the adult bed. IMO. So for me anyway that would mean that they stayed in the master bedroom IMO. I think it is hard for everyone to understand the exact same things at the exact same time. I meant no harm in my post. I just may have not understood the facts at the same time you did. I am sorry. As I said I was just posting to try to understand.

No no....I didn't take your post as you meaning any harm. I'm trying to understand too. The sleeping pattern changed so many times that it's hard to keep up with what's true or not.:smile:

[aproudmom]

Good morning and thank you for the new thread

[IlliniFan]

Misty has told so many different versions of the sleeping arrangements that evening, it's easy to be confused.

I read in the links thread that someone has donated an RV for Ron's family. I bet they will really appreciate that.

[Armchairdet]

No no....I didn't take your post as you meaning any harm. I'm trying to understand too. The sleeping pattern changed so many times that it's hard to keep up with what's true or not.:smile:

I know what you're saying. I feel like I need to be careful what I post so I don't post false information. But I want to know what happened to this little girl. I am just trying to look at any possible clue out of the mess of tiny bits of ever changing information we have to go on.

No worries. I just wanted to make sure I was clear. :thumbup:

[odyssey]

No no....I didn't take your post as you meaning any harm. I'm trying to understand too. The sleeping pattern changed so many times that it's hard to keep up with what's true or not.:smile:

I have not seen the sleeping arrangement change, only the interpretation of it. Perhaps I missed something. Misty said we were in bed .. i never heard her say that all three of them were in the same bed. I think it is semantics. My mother could call and ask me if I heard the big storm the night before and I would tell her no, no one did we were all in bed asleep. I would not mean the same bed but ppl might construe it to be the same one.

They were all in the same bedroom, and perhaps as I said, I may have missed it, but I do not have a link to where Misty stated they were all in the same bed. I think most of the things that I have seen reported as discrepancies have been semantics. Strangely, describing a place I once lived in I even told someone it had walls of painted brick when really they were more like painted cement blocks. I don't see a big difference between them I guess.

[Former Juror]

I have not seen the sleeping arrangement change, only the interpretation of it. Perhaps I missed something. Misty said we were in bed .. i never heard her say that all three of them were in the same bed. I think it is semantics. My mother could call and ask me if I heard the big storm the night before and I would tell her no, no one did we were all in bed asleep. I would not mean the same bed but ppl might construe it to be the same one.

They were all in the same bedroom, and perhaps as I said, I may have missed it, but I do not have a link to where Misty stated they were all in the same bed. I think most of the things that I have seen reported as discrepancies have been semantics. Strangely, describing a place I once lived in I even told someone it had walls of painted brick when really they were more like painted cement blocks. I don't see a big difference between them I guess.


This is true, but I read that the master bedroom was 10X10. If so, that does not leave room for very many beds.

[Tia]

Thank you for the new thread. No news I see. Today seems like a nice day for a miracle. Prayers that Haleigh comes home today.

I was thinking that too this morning! I have a feeling we will learn something today (I hope!).

After watching Haleigh's family (mom, grandmothers) last night on NG, I couldn't help but notice the stark contrast between the Anthony's behavior and theirs. These women are falling apart. Ron is living in a tent because he is refusing to leave the area, Haleigh their only concern and they have all banned together to support eachother.

She is a very loved little girl.

[FrankieBones1]

Morning All

Started a thread for today as one had not been started yet.

:rose: for Haleigh.
Good Morning, MoonFlwr and all.
Let's pray that Haleigh is still alive. Stats would prove otherwise, I'm afraid.

I watched vids of Misty again and I do not think she had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Even though she had only known her for six months or so, she really felt like a step mom to both kids. She may be intellectually handicapped but I can't help but feel that this is another 'John Evander Cooey' type of crime.

[aproudmom]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

I also wondered why they all slept in the same room my children may have slept with me on and off when they were younger but had thier own rooms with thier own beds in them they said she was in a toddler bed in the master bedroom. I know they said she is afraid of the dark I thought maybe that was why but have not heard anything from the family as to why they slept in one room. I also can not figure out thier was a bathroom in the master bedroom wonder why she did not go to that bathroom guess we have alot to learn.

[odyssey]

This is true, but I read that the master bedroom was 10X10. If so, that does not leave room for very many beds.

I guess not. But I know that, at least according to Ron and Misty when Greta interviewed them there were two beds (or at least two mattresses or a bed and a mattress) and a television in that room and that the two beds(or mattresses or whatever they were) were the width apart of the two chairs Misty and Ron were sitting in apart from each other(approximately four feet). My opinion is that one bed was on one side of the television and the other bed was on the other side of the television.

I have not seen a layout of their home but I know that Misty also said that Haleigh(or her bed) was on the wall closest to the kitchen.

[FrankieBones1]

I was thinking that too this morning! I have a feeling we will learn something today (I hope!).

After watching Haleigh's family (mom, grandmothers) last night on NG, I couldn't help but notice the stark contrast between the Anthony's behavior and theirs. These women are falling apart. Ron is living in a tent because he is refusing to leave the area, Haleigh their only concern and they have all banned together to support eachother.

She is a very loved little girl.
I was overcome with emotion when I found out that Ronald Cummings had been out with TES searching for his little girl. That is one dedicated Dad.

[JD1974]

They moved to the three bedroom so that each child could have their own room. As for why they were all in the same bedroom, I believe it was an innocent reason .. the A/C man was over that day working on what I assume was the central heat and air. Perhaps the heat was not working properly so they were sleeping in one bedroom to only have to worry about keeping the one room warm at night .. also it has been reported the kids were watching television before going to sleep so they may all sleep in the bedroom because it is the bedroom that has the t.v. in it. Maybe the kids just don't like to sleep alone.
Someone mentioned earlier that it is required by law for each of those children to have their own rooms. They do. But it is not required by law that they must sleep in those rooms. My son is three and a half, has his own room, and still sleeps with me each night.

I don't believe Misty did anything to Haleigh. I have not read anything that makes me suspicious of her. The only thing I don't understand (and this is pure curiosity, not suspicion) is why her blanket was in a van if it was. I'd like to know if they got it back.


I think the laws vary by state, or by where it is you live, rent/own, some places (if you rent) only allow certain circumstances . Not sure what the laws are in FL, I am pretty sure in MI a boy and girl have to have seperate rooms but actually I am not even sure about that...

[Armchairdet]

I also wondered why they all slept in the same room my children may have slept with me on and off when they were younger but had thier own rooms with thier own beds in them they said she was in a toddler bed in the master bedroom. I know they said she is afraid of the dark I thought maybe that was why but have not heard anything from the family as to why they slept in one room. I also can not figure out thier was a bathroom in the master bedroom wonder why she did not go to that bathroom guess we have alot to learn.

I had heard there was only one bathroom and it was not in the master bedroom. However, even if it was I can see not using it for concern about waking the children, with the light and noise.

But that got me thinking. IF there was only one bathroom, and IF it was not in the master bedroom, wouldn't you want the kitchen, or some other light on for a five year old afraid of the dark to see their way to the bathroom? Yet Misty was suprised a light was on. IMO of course.

[odyssey]

I had heard there was only one bathroom and it was not in the master bedroom. However, even if it was I can see not using it for concern about waking the children, with the light and noise.

But that got me thinking. IF there was only one bathroom, and IF it was not in the master bedroom, wouldn't you want the kitchen, or some other light on for a five year old afraid of the dark to see their way to the bathroom? Yet Misty was suprised a light was on. IMO of course.
There may have been another light on, in a hall or bathroom. We know only that it was odd/out of place to Misty that the kitchen
light was on.

[JD1974]

I had heard there was only one bathroom and it was not in the master bedroom. However, even if it was I can see not using it for concern about waking the children, with the light and noise.

But that got me thinking. IF there was only one bathroom, and IF it was not in the master bedroom, wouldn't you want the kitchen, or some other light on for a five year old afraid of the dark to see their way to the bathroom? Yet Misty was suprised a light was on. IMO of course.


I wonder if that is where a discrepancy is coming from, what if there were two bathrooms Misty woke up and thought Haleigh was in the one in the master bedroom so she went to the other one?

[mariah79]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

My mother did the same thing when my father was away. We all slept in the same room when he was stationed overseas. Did it again when he was stationed crossed the country. When ever my father was going to be away we all had to sleep in their room. I do the same thing with my son. I even do what my mother did and closed and lock the bedroom door.

[Armchairdet]

http://www.foxnews.com/


Look on the right hand side of the page and scroll down a little bit. It says :

Factor Investigation

Geraldo reveals shocking

new information about

Haleigh Cummings' father



I am sure if it was really new, and really shocking it would be on the news, even local news. I don't think he can make the news stations hold back until he breaks the news. IMO

I would bet it has something to do with.....whether or not he is the father of the third child mentioned yesterday. IMO


The above is only my opinion. I have no link, no proof, just an opinion.

[Tia]

I was overcome with emotion when I found out that Ronald Cummings had been out with TES searching for his little girl. That is one dedicated Dad.

So was I. And that he was spending his days searching with anyone who would go with him, such a huge difference from the Anthony's.

[aproudmom]

The former owner or renter said there was a master bath with a large garden tub. I dont know to many 3 bedroom double wides with one bathroom but also it could be as the above poster said maybe she did not want to wake the kids. never thought of that good point and with so many beds in there maybe she would have a hard time getting to that bathroom.

[mariah79]

Yes but is your three year old childs bed set up in your room? I mean none of my business really. I am just saying I think it is natural for them to also have a room of their own if space allows. IMO

I mean who knows, maybe they do and it just wasn't mentioned.

I just bring it up because maybe there was a reason they wanted the kids in their sight at all times. IMO

My sisters would sleep in the bed with our mother. I slept on a mattress from my bed on the floor except when my father was stationed over seas for over a year. One of my sisters and I shared a roll a way bed in her room. As soon as my father came home we went back to our rooms. It is more wanting to protect your children. Only thing I think she (Misty) should of done differently is to close and lock the bedroom door like my mother did. I do that myself.

[Armchairdet]

I am sure you are right! I am not a fan of Geraldo anyhow! Plus I cant stay up that late! :w00t:


I am not a big fan either. I look at it this way, anyone that advertises 'new information' 12 hours before their show is on air doesn't have 'new' information.

Not to sleuthy people anyway. :laugh:

[IlliniFan]

I am not a big fan either. I look at it this way, anyone that advertises 'new information' 12 hours before their show is on air doesn't have 'new' information.

Not to sleuthy people anyway. :laugh:


lol You make a good point! It's probably something we all know about.

I temper my excitement when I hear, Breaking or Shocking News, on any of the cable news networks....

[Rick777]

I bet Geraldo's big news is that Ron does drugs. *GASPS*

[mariah79]

I have seen asked why Misty didn't wake up if someone came in and took Haleigh. It is easy. She has never given birth from what we know. That type of sleep comes with giving birth to our children. We become lighter sleepers. Our mother's ear kicks in. We listen for any signs of trouble with our child(ren). It is an instinct mothers & fathers only get.

[JD1974]

I have seen asked why Misty didn't wake up if someone came in and took Haleigh. It is easy. She has never given birth from what we know. That type of sleep comes with giving birth to our children. We become lighter sleepers. Our mother's ear kicks in. We listen for any signs of trouble with our child(ren). It is an instinct mothers & fathers only get.


I think you may be right, I can sleep through just about anything. Except if I hear one cough from the other side of the house, or a footstep that sounds like one of my kids and I jump up. On Christmas Eve I fell asleep, all of a sudden I heard little voices in the livingroom and I freaked because I hadn't put the presents out, good thing my husband was prepared but I was up instantly and couldn't go back to sleep.

[Rick777]

Misty said she didn't wake up because she was "exhausted". That makes me wonder what she did beforehand to be in that state.

[JD1974]

Misty said she didn't wake up because she was "exhausted". That makes me wonder what she did beforehand to be in that state.


Taking care of kids alone can do that to you...

[summer4meplz]

http://www.foxnews.com/


Look on the right hand side of the page and scroll down a little bit. It says :

Factor Investigation

Geraldo reveals shocking

new information about

Haleigh Cummings' father


geraldo's "shocking" new information will probably NOT even be mentioned....or if it is.....the news will be so old and so unimportant you will want to throw a shoe through your tv.....IMO

[VC2]

I was overcome with emotion when I found out that Ronald Cummings had been out with TES searching for his little girl. That is one dedicated Dad.

He sure is. There are many a single dad that would not fight for custody of a child and their brother, let alone with special medical needs. He may not have had a life that was one we did, he may be rough around the edges and he may curse at men and women alike when mad, but he loves his kids and seems to me willing to do whatever it takes for them.

imo

[Peaches]

My sisters would sleep in the bed with our mother. I slept on a mattress from my bed on the floor except when my father was stationed over seas for over a year. One of my sisters and I shared a roll a way bed in her room. As soon as my father came home we went back to our rooms. It is more wanting to protect your children. Only thing I think she (Misty) should of done differently is to close and lock the bedroom door like my mother did. I do that myself.

Keeping your children safe -------------this is what most parents try with all their being to do.

Some children/adults are afraid --- they stay together in order to feel safe. I see nothing wrong with this.

[Armchairdet]

I want to know more about this relative in Tennessee. I know he was suppose to have left for Tennessee before Haleigh went missing. I believe he told Misty that, and I believe she believed him. But I don't necessarily believe he did leave. Not saying the guy is a liar, or guilty of anything.

But a five year old may trust him in that having met him he is no longer a 'stranger' to her. IMO

[tisamystery]

I have a funny feeling about Misty. Not necessarily guilt but that she's hiding something. As if she may have done something that night, not related to the kidnapping, that she doesn't want known to her boyfriend. Just a gut feeling.

There was just a photo of Haleigh on TV. Is that a bruise on her left cheekbone or just a lighting issue?

[VC2]

Good Morning, MoonFlwr and all.
Let's pray that Haleigh is still alive. Stats would prove otherwise, I'm afraid.

I watched vids of Misty again and I do not think she had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Even though she had only known her for six months or so, she really felt like a step mom to both kids. She may be intellectually handicapped but I can't help but feel that this is another 'John Evander Cooey' type of crime.

I think she may be less intellectually handicapped than comes across..i agree she loves the kids and so she is also in a state of shock and grief still. I guess what i am trying to say is that i don't think she is stupid, just unable to make things clear especially in the light of media interviews. Limited education, vocabulary and experience but not mentally challenged.

However the very lack of those things may be why she had to take another poly, as well as her emotional makeup. LE generally won't give a poly to anyone when someone is overwrought bc it skews the baseline, and if Misty is unable to keep her emotions together it can be the reason for a few poly's. There is a set of people who often are "inconclusive" not because they lie but bc they are so scared or so upset at some questions that there truthful answer doesnt come across as just "no" instead all the reactions spike. If she seems ok and then breaks down in the middle crying that would screw it up too

Shasta Groene's dads poly was inconclusive and we all know that he was telling the truth.

I don't think she had a thing to do with it. I do agree she is scared stiff but unlike some, not of Ron but for haleigh
imo

[Armchairdet]

I have a funny feeling about Misty. Not necessarily guilt but that she's hiding something. As if she may have done something that night, not related to the kidnapping, that she doesn't want known to her boyfriend. Just a gut feeling.

There was just a photo of Haleigh on TV. Is that a bruise on her left cheekbone or just a lighting issue?


I agree. I don't think she did anything related to the kidnapping, but may feel something she did lead to it. I have a super crazy theory that I am keeping to myself for now. Mostly to avoid confusion and having it be written as fact later.

[VC2]

geraldo's "shocking" new information will probably NOT even be mentioned....or if it is.....the news will be so old and so unimportant you will want to throw a shoe through your tv.....IMO

probably his past record or some such, anything for ratings

[*MoonRider*]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

[tisamystery]

I think its a birth mark. I believe I heard that on one of the news shows.

Yes, I noticed what looked like a birthmark. But next to I thought I saw a blue mark.

[tisamystery]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

Oh, good! I was hoping somebody would bring them an RV or something.

[IlliniFan]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

I saw that also. How nice to be able to help someone in that manner. I bet they will really appreciate that!!

[Kip]

He sure is. There are many a single dad that would not fight for custody of a child and their brother, let alone with special medical needs. He may not have had a life that was one we did, he may be rough around the edges and he may curse at men and women alike when mad, but he loves his kids and seems to me willing to do whatever it takes for them.

imo

Exactly. You have a young man in his 20s whose ex-wife had the kids. His life was much easier that way. But because his ex wasn't taking proper care of his daughter, he fought for her custody. So many young men walk away from their children, it's wonderful to see someone take responsibility.

[Rick777]

UPDATED: Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 10:02 am EST February 20, 2009

<snipped>
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin. Eyewitness News learned Thursday that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared.
There are now questions about what role Joe may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee
WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.
"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle.
"I just don't trust him," she said. "He's gotten into a lot of trouble."

Eyewitness News has confirmed that a woman called 911 in Knoxville, Tennessee a few days ago to report a possible Haliegh sighting. The woman told police she saw a man shielding a little girl's face who looked like Haleigh while getting into an SUV.
There were also reports that Croslin's cousin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, got into some type of argument hours before the 5-year-old disappeared. Eyewitness News asked Cummings about the reported argument.
"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

VIDEO REPORT: Cousin Under Investigation
http://www.wftv.com/video/18758194/index.html

[Tia]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

Wow, that is awesome!

[Peaches]

I think its a birth mark. I believe I heard that on one of the news shows.



bruises------------my grandchildren are always getting brusies. They play hard. They are play soccer/swim/normal kids play outside. They run and they fall. Once, my granddaughter pushed her brother and his nose was cut so that he required plastic surgery. He was 4 and she was 3. Accidents happen.

Of course, I know that some children are abused but seeing a bruise does not necessary mean abuse.

Being young / being poor does not make you a criminal.

My heart breaks for this family.

Please remember that sometimes it is hard to make good decisions when you have never had a good example. As many of you have stated, I know that education is a way out of proverty. Maybe with help Misty will be able to do this.

I too believe that Ron loves his children. I hope that Haleigh is returned to him and that she has not been hurt beyond repair.

What a sad situation for all. God bless them!

[Peaches]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:


GREAT!

God bless this person who donated this camper to Ron. May he receive his blessing 10 times over!

[KKKKKKatie]

GREAT!

God bless this person who donated this camper to Ron. May he receive his blessing 10 times over!


I so agree! I was really hoping that someone would do this....God Bless them!

[tisamystery]

UPDATED: Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 10:02 am EST February 20, 2009



This might explain the "What game are y'all playing" comment by Ron.

[summer4meplz]

are ron and misty still together or did she go home.....does misty even have a home with parents and all that traditional kinda thing....

[Mimi428]

Shasta Groene's dads poly was inconclusive and we all know that he was telling the truth.

<snipped>

Thanks for reminding us about that. I believe his history of prior drug use & abuse was the primary reason his polygraph results were so screwy. I also have been thinking that there could be some similar things going on in this case.

I think it is entirely possible that Ron &/or Misty have engaged in activities that they really DON'T want to talk to the police about. If they believe those other things aren't directly associated with Haleigh's disappearance they don't want to talk about them because they think it just does not matter.

Ron may have done things that he doesn't want to admit to because it would (in his mind) give Crystal information she could use against him regarding custody of the kids.

Ron's own mother said he had a fight with someone over a gun that belonged to Ron - & then Ron contradicted her & said he was not in a fight with anyone over a gun - the first thing I thought of is that he probably does not want others (whoever they may be) to know he even HAD a gun to get into a fight about.

The whole horrible situation gets compounded because as soon as we (or LE) finds out they were not truthful about one thing, it creates the belief that they might not be truthful about something VERY important to Haleigh going missing.

Same thing with the idea that Misty may have left the house during the night after the kids were asleep. She may be too afraid (for whatever reasons) of getting into trouble for that that she just won't admit it - in her mind it doesn't matter - Haleigh is still gone, the search still needs to be done.

I just get the notion that neither Ron nor Misty nor a whole lot of their family has good comprehension about how LE goes about developing ideas of which direction to go to. All they can think about is the fact that the child is missing from the home - so what does all the rest of the stuff matter? They want LE to go out, go somewhere, go anywhere, they already KNOW she isn't still in the bed.

I'm not saying those kinds of perceptions are sensible, I just think it is possible that they don't comprehend how difficult they make it for LE to figure out where to look when they are untruthful about other stuff.

JMO

[i_pickle]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:That was very nice.

[i_pickle]

~snipped to address~
I don't think she had a thing to do with it. I do agree she is scared stiff but unlike some, not of Ron but for haleigh
imoYou don't think Misty is afraid of Ron?

[kitty1182]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

That is wonderful!!!!!!

[Mimi428]

Exactly. You have a young man in his 20s whose ex-wife had the kids. His life was much easier that way. But because his ex wasn't taking proper care of his daughter, he fought for her custody. So many young men walk away from their children, it's wonderful to see someone take responsibility.

I'm am completely withholding any final assessment on whether I think it was wonderful that Ron fought for custody. I have known too many situations where one parent wanted custody because they were so mad at the other parent they just didn't want THEM to have what they wanted. I've also know too many situations where one parent wanted custody so THEY wouldn't have to pay child support.

And I have seen so freakin' MANY cases where the level of care a father provides would get a mother d#mn near crucified if the situations were reversed & SHE was the one providing the same exact care.

Some folks have huge double standards when it comes to what is expected from different genders. I would like to believe that Ron's motives for seeking custody were pure & honorable. I would like to believe that he did not possess motives that were less than honorable. But at this point, I really don't have a clue what his motives might have been. I can't say I am ready to hand out any father of the year awards out to any grown man who moves a 16-year-old high school dropout in to be stepmother to his children.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

UPDATED: Girlfriend's Cousin Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 10:02 am EST February 20, 2009

<snipped>
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin. Eyewitness News learned Thursday that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared.
There are now questions about what role Joe may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee
WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.
"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle.
"I just don't trust him," she said. "He's gotten into a lot of trouble."

Eyewitness News has confirmed that a woman called 911 in Knoxville, Tennessee a few days ago to report a possible Haliegh sighting. The woman told police she saw a man shielding a little girl's face who looked like Haleigh while getting into an SUV.
There were also reports that Croslin's cousin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, got into some type of argument hours before the 5-year-old disappeared. Eyewitness News asked Cummings about the reported argument.
"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

VIDEO REPORT: Cousin Under Investigation
http://www.wftv.com/video/18758194/index.html

Thank you for posting this info. I find it disturbing that this "Joe" wasn't tracked down and questioned before now. :cuss:

[TxLady2]

Good morning! About the beds in the same room. With Ron working at night, maybe he insisted on all of them sleeping in the same room because of Haleigh being afraid of the dark, possibly Jr. was too. It's also possible that Misty did not feel comfortable with them being in their own rooms. Most mobile homes have the master bedroom on one end and the other bedrooms on the opposite end of the home. She might have been afraid being there alone with the kids at night and felt safer with them all in the same room. I did that too when I was single. Even though my boys shared a room, many times they slept with me until they were older. And my youngest son slept in a crib in our bedroom until he was two, then when he had his own room, he sometimes would not sleep unless one of us got in bed with him, and sometimes he would end up in our bed in the middle of the night. This went on until he was about four, then he got used to sleeping by himself.
I don't think Misty did anything to Haleigh, but it's possible that she is not telling the whole truth. I guess I'll just wait and see. Going to be in and out today, so will check back for more news later on.

[SavannahStar]

You don't think Misty is afraid of Ron?


I'm not VC but I will answer that I just think we don't KNOW if she is afraid of Ron or not. Big discussion on this a day or so ago. What I believe is happening is that we (generic "we" of course) are just projecting our own feelings into it.....like, "that is a guy I sure would be afraid of, were I Misty."

[SavannahStar]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:

LOVE this kind of news!!! :thumbsup:

[i_pickle]

I'm not VC but I will answer that I just think we don't KNOW if she is afraid of Ron or not. Big discussion on this a day or so ago. What I believe is happening is that we (generic "we" of course) are just projecting our own feelings into it.....like, "that is a guy I sure would be afraid of, were I Misty."I disagree. I think it's obvious she is afraid of him and I don't buy the projecting excuse.

[VC2]

bruises------------my grandchildren are always getting brusies. They play hard. They are play soccer/swim/normal kids play outside. They run and they fall. Once, my granddaughter pushed her brother and his nose was cut so that he required plastic surgery. He was 4 and she was 3. Accidents happen.

Of course, I know that some children are abused but seeing a bruise does not necessary mean abuse.

Being young / being poor does not make you a criminal.

My heart breaks for this family.

Please remember that sometimes it is hard to make good decisions when you have never had a good example. As many of you have stated, I know that education is a way out of proverty. Maybe with help Misty will be able to do this.

I too believe that Ron loves his children. I hope that Haleigh is returned to him and that she has not been hurt beyond repair.

What a sad situation for all. God bless them!

We agree peaches! (nice to agree on a case after politics :D)

[Armchairdet]

Good morning! About the beds in the same room. With Ron working at night, maybe he insisted on all of them sleeping in the same room because of Haleigh being afraid of the dark, possibly Jr. was too. It's also possible that Misty did not feel comfortable with them being in their own rooms. Most mobile homes have the master bedroom on one end and the other bedrooms on the opposite end of the home. She might have been afraid being there alone with the kids at night and felt safer with them all in the same room. I did that too when I was single. Even though my boys shared a room, many times they slept with me until they were older. And my youngest son slept in a crib in our bedroom until he was two, then when he had his own room, he sometimes would not sleep unless one of us got in bed with him, and sometimes he would end up in our bed in the middle of the night. This went on until he was about four, then he got used to sleeping by himself.
I don't think Misty did anything to Haleigh, but it's possible that she is not telling the whole truth. I guess I'll just wait and see. Going to be in and out today, so will check back for more news later on.



Oh I agree. When I was posting in pre coffee mode I was not explaining well. I understand bieing in the same room because they felt safer.

I was just wondering in this particular situation because of a child in the home having gone missing, if it was for a general feeling of safety and security, or if they had a particular person/situation that was making them feel uncomfortable. (By them I mean Ron and or Misty)

It may not be anything directed at them. But perhaps recent thefts, robberies, suspicious people etc in the area.


I just want to be clear again, I was not putting them down for their choices, just looking for clues anywhere I can get them on what happened to Haleigh.

IMO

[kitty1182]

Thank you for posting this info. I find it disturbing that this "Joe" wasn't tracked down and questioned before now. :cuss:

Me too Sissy...:mad:

[HI_CYCLE]

bruises------------my grandchildren are always getting brusies. They play hard. They are play soccer/swim/normal kids play outside. They run and they fall. Once, my granddaughter pushed her brother and his nose was cut so that he required plastic surgery. He was 4 and she was 3. Accidents happen.

Of course, I know that some children are abused but seeing a bruise does not necessary mean abuse.

Being young / being poor does not make you a criminal.

My heart breaks for this family.

Please remember that sometimes it is hard to make good decisions when you have never had a good example. As many of you have stated, I know that education is a way out of proverty. Maybe with help Misty will be able to do this.

I too believe that Ron loves his children. I hope that Haleigh is returned to him and that she has not been hurt beyond repair.

What a sad situation for all. God bless them!
What a nice post. Sad everyone can`t see the pain this family is suffering. I met Ronald and I had to quit posting because of the anger it brought out in me to read all the hurtful things posted here about him.
He is in pain no one on here has experienced and hopefully never will.
Hang in there Ronald, God is with you.

[kitty1182]

LOVE this kind of news!!! :thumbsup:

Me too......
I wonder how people add to the reward money..

[i_pickle]

No one is suggesting that he isn't in pain. :confused:

[odyssey]

I disagree. I think it's obvious she is afraid of him and I don't buy the projecting excuse.

I'm not really certain how it could be an "excuse"? That is how SS observes it based on her experience and experiences and you "obviously" see it a different way based on your own.

I have not really given much thought to it either way but I do find it interesting how all see the same information and perceive it so differently. I do find that often it is because of our own life experiences and not necessarily facts.

moo

[SavannahStar]

What a nice post. Sad everyone can`t see the pain this family is suffering. I met Ronald and I had to quit posting because of the anger it brought out in me to read all the hurtful things posted here about him.
He is in pain no one on here has experienced and hopefully never will.
Hang in there Ronald, God is with you.

:rose:

And yours is a great post!

I remember you posting that you had met him and you were going to elaborate a bit but you were sick.

My heart just aches for both Misty and Ron!

[JD1974]

I think this cousin probably showed up there and that is why Misty seems so off, she was afraid to tell anyone he had shown up so she is trying in a roundabout way to get LE to look into him. That's probably why she is being interviewed so many times. I am not saying Joe took her but I think that could be what she is covering, just the fact he was around at the time.

[HI_CYCLE]

If Fox news uses Geraldo to exploit this father for rating I will be so angry I will boycott there news channel forever. This is NOT a movie, this is not about the father, it is about a 5 year old missing child. Lets don`t allow the negative news gossip to cause us to lose focus on what is at stake here.
Now I am off to see my doctor,my friend.

[Armchairdet]

I'm not really certain how it could be an "excuse"? That is how SS observes it based on her experience and experiences and you "obviously" see it a different way based on your own.

I have not really given much thought to it either way but I do find it interesting how all see the same information and perceive it so differently. I do find that often it is because of our own life experiences and not necessarily facts.

moo



I totally agree.


It doesn't matter what situation it is, what case it is. I am not even speaking of here, just in general.


If there is for instance a crime scene. A window had been left open blah blah.

A certain percentage of folks would say, that is odd, who leaves a window open. Others would say, of course a window was open, doesn't everyone sleep with a window open? Still more would argue on which window should have been left open. While others would ask why there were not bars on the window.

Again, not talking about here. Just people do tend to look at things based on how they live their life.

Never locking doors, always locking doors, etc etc.

[Katt2]

GREAT!

God bless this person who donated this camper to Ron. May he receive his blessing 10 times over!

Oh I agree--such a gracious thing to do for this hurting man.

[SavannahStar]

My comment is based on my "experience" with the poster. S/he seems to excuse a lot of irrational/bad behavior. The A's are a good example.

That's my observation.


Ah. Making it personal, huh? That's always a wonderful way to discuss/debate on a message board. Comment on a poster's posts/opinions on OTHER cases......yeh, that's the ticket. Way to go!

:laugh:

[Armchairdet]

I think this cousin probably showed up there and that is why Misty seems so off, she was afraid to tell anyone he had shown up so she is trying in a roundabout way to get LE to look into him. That's probably why she is being interviewed so many times. I am not saying Joe took her but I think that could be what she is covering, just the fact he was around at the time.

Yeah, I posted earlier that he may not have left the area when he said he was going to. Also IMO he would not be a stranger to Haleigh because she had met him. I'm not saying she would be happy to leave with him, but she may be more reserved about calling out for help because he was an adult that she knew.

IMO

[odyssey]

My comment is based on my "experience" with the poster. S/he seems to excuse a lot of irrational/bad behavior. The A's are a good example.

That's my observation.

OOh, sorry. I thought you were talking about the substance of what was posted ....

[VC2]

<snipped>

Thanks for reminding us about that. I believe his history of prior drug use & abuse was the primary reason his polygraph results were so screwy. I also have been thinking that there could be some similar things going on in this case.

I think it is entirely possible that Ron &/or Misty have engaged in activities that they really DON'T want to talk to the police about. If they believe those other things aren't directly associated with Haleigh's disappearance they don't want to talk about them because they think it just does not matter.

Ron may have done things that he doesn't want to admit to because it would (in his mind) give Crystal information she could use against him regarding custody of the kids.

Ron's own mother said he had a fight with someone over a gun that belonged to Ron - & then Ron contradicted her & said he was not in a fight with anyone over a gun - the first thing I thought of is that he probably does not want others (whoever they may be) to know he even HAD a gun to get into a fight about.

The whole horrible situation gets compounded because as soon as we (or LE) finds out they were not truthful about one thing, it creates the belief that they might not be truthful about something VERY important to Haleigh going missing.

Same thing with the idea that Misty may have left the house during the night after the kids were asleep. She may be too afraid (for whatever reasons) of getting into trouble for that that she just won't admit it - in her mind it doesn't matter - Haleigh is still gone, the search still needs to be done.

I just get the notion that neither Ron nor Misty nor a whole lot of their family has good comprehension about how LE goes about developing ideas of which direction to go to. All they can think about is the fact that the child is missing from the home - so what does all the rest of the stuff matter? They want LE to go out, go somewhere, go anywhere, they already KNOW she isn't still in the bed.

I'm not saying those kinds of perceptions are sensible, I just think it is possible that they don't comprehend how difficult they make it for LE to figure out where to look when they are untruthful about other stuff.

JMO

very true. And if you have had some history with LE that was not positive, either bc of past behavior of your own or families, its much harder to trust them. Mark Lunsford addressed that in an interview about Haleigh, said his advice to Ron was to trust them, if they are wrong they will be man enough to apologize later. Mark did not trust LE at first either, went through some of what you mention.

I think misty is the one in the spotlight but really think it has more to do with the very prejudices that might exist on misty and rons side too. Assumptions about lifestyle and past experiences. I just hope that the fbi is more involved than local le, don't know why but i get a feeling they are over their head and not as able to think outside the box as LE with a larger force and experience. This sheriff just does not exude the same grasp and competence as we have seen from some others in abducted children cases. Hopefully i am wrong but.

[Rick777]

Me too Sissy...:mad:

I'm hoping LE was on this guy right away, but feared to say anything until they had found him because he might panick and hurt Haleigh??

[i_pickle]

Ah. Making it personal, huh? That's always a wonderful way to discuss/debate on a message board. Comment on a poster's posts/opinions on OTHER cases......yeh, that's the ticket. Way to go!

:laugh:It's been my observation, yes.

Don't exaggerate what I said. Thanks.

[i_pickle]

OOh, sorry. I thought you were talking about the substance of what was posted ....I was. I think that "projecting" is without substance.

[breeze53]

Yeah, I posted earlier that he may not have left the area when he said he was going to. Also IMO he would not be a stranger to Haleigh because she had met him. I'm not saying she would be happy to leave with him, but she may be more reserved about calling out for help because he was an adult that she knew.

IMO

Anyone know if we are getting a presser today?

[kitty1182]

I'm hoping LE was on this guy right away, but feared to say anything until they had found him because he might panick and hurt Haleigh??

You could be right..If he has her I hope it was just out of revenge, not to hurt her...If he does have her, I hope he lets her go, but then, she can tell who took her, so that makes it bad..:sad:

[tisamystery]

I've never given birth but I'm a mommy to 4 cats so I'm a light sleeper because two of them are part wild (savannah cat) and they are like having a 5 yr and they like to open the kitchen pantry doors to find food at night. I have safety locks and they still open the doors!

I've never given birth either, but I'm a adoptive mom. I am definately tuned in to noises in the night. You don't have to give birth for that instinct to kick in.

[Peaches]

We agree peaches! (nice to agree on a case after politics :D)



You are right once again!

Our agreeing on this important subject shows that we both have loving hearts but heads that do not match............:thumbsup:

[odyssey]

I was. I think that "projecting" is without substance.

Really? Projection as a whole or in this one narrow instance? Because it has been my experience that people do project... such as a person who is cheating in a relationship very often accusing their mate of cheating.

O.T but
I have found in lurking in a lot of these cases(haven't posted since Scott Peterson, so long in fact that they expunged my user name and i had to re register lol), that people tend to point out things about(blame) victims and those around them in an effort to distance themselves... that sounds convoluted but i mean they focus on ways the victims and principals behaved differently than they themselves would act so they can convince themselves that the crime could not happen in their lives, homes, families,,

[Armchairdet]

I really hope that the sighting of Haleigh in TN is linked back to the cousin because that would mean that she's still alive!:thumbup:

Catch up with you guys later I have to go to work but only for few hrs (massage therapist)

I actually feel there is a very good chance that the cousin has her. I hope we are watching a news conference about her safe return when you sign back on today.

[Armchairdet]

Really? Projection as a whole or in this one narrow instance? Because it has been my experience that people do project... such as a person who is cheating in a relationship very often accusing their mate of cheating.

O.T but
I have found in lurking in a lot of these cases(haven't posted since Scott Peterson, so long in fact that they expunged my user name and i had to re register lol), that people tend to point out things about(blame) victims and those around them in an effort to distance themselves... that sounds convoluted but i mean they focus on ways the victims and principals behaved differently than they themselves would act so they can convince themselves that the crime could not happen in their lives, homes, families,,




Wow, I was thinking the same thing.

[i_pickle]

Really? Projection as a whole or in this one narrow instance? Because it has been my experience that people do project... such as a person who is cheating in a relationship very often accusing their mate of cheating.

O.T but
I have found in lurking in a lot of these cases(haven't posted since Scott Peterson, so long in fact that they expunged my user name and i had to re register lol), that people tend to point out things about(blame) victims and those around them in an effort to distance themselves... that sounds convoluted but i mean they focus on ways the victims and principals behaved differently than they themselves would act so they can convince themselves that the crime could not happen in their lives, homes, families,,Yes, really. I don't think the term "projecting" applies here. Of course people view things from their own experience. Is that "projecting?" That's a stretch imo.

I think it's obvious she is afraid of Ron. I don't buy that that's "projecting."

Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people. For example, if you have a strong dislike for someone, you might instead believe that he or she does not like you. Projection functions to allow the expression of the desire or impulse, but in a way that the ego cannot recognize, therefore reducing anxiety.

http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defensemech_5.htm

[SavannahStar]

It's been my observation, yes.

Don't exaggerate what I said. Thanks.


My post stated EXACTLY what you are doing.

You cannot debate the substance of a post? Rather, you only comment on the poster, relative to what she/he has posted in OTHER cases?

Whew.

[i_pickle]

My post stated EXACTLY what you are doing.

You cannot debate the substance of a post? Rather, you only comment on the poster, relative to what she/he has posted in OTHER cases?

Whew.Stop trying to make this about YOU.

You're o/t

[Rick777]

Stop trying to make this about YOU.

You're o/t

what's o/t?

[i_pickle]

what's o/t?off topic
...

[KayOh]

Well ... there you have it .. Misty referred to Hayleigh in the PAST tense ... For those of you who think this is significant ( I happen not to ) ...

[Armchairdet]

Good Morning...sorry I have nnot had the time to read this whole thread..and maybe this has been mentioned this morning. Did anyone see Matt Lauer on the TODAY show this morning questioning Misty...WTH was that girl doing at 17 y/o on NATIONAL TV answeing his questions without a Lawyer...OMG...I was horrified....even Casey has an attorney defending her...this poor girl should not have been interrigated by Matt Lauer IMO.

OTOH...I really think she was being truthful...I don't think they have anything to do with this.

My $$ is on the relative from TN


I don't think she needs a lawyer for an interview. She could just say no comment or whatever. I think she just wants to help any way she can. Of course getting a lawyer is one of those DIYD DIYD things.

[Peaches]

What a nice post. Sad everyone can`t see the pain this family is suffering. I met Ronald and I had to quit posting because of the anger it brought out in me to read all the hurtful things posted here about him.
He is in pain no one on here has experienced and hopefully never will.
Hang in there Ronald, God is with you.

Thank you for posting with us. Remember that many here do feel as you and I.

It is very clear to me that Ron loves his children. The fact that he was rewarded custody speaks volumns to me. He has their best interest at heart.

The raw fear that is evident in Ron's voice and face is there for all to see. This fear and pain goes deep. I pray that God will be with Ron during this difficult time. I just do not believe that Ron has done anything to Haleigh.

[Rick777]

Anyone know if there is a scheduled presser today?

[kitty1182]

Anyone know if there is a scheduled presser today?

I haven't heard of one today...

[VC2]

You don't think Misty is afraid of Ron?

No i don't. Not sure why anyone does, yes i know he swore at/about her when haleigh went missing but imo that is a panicked reaction to the unimaginable horror if a child abducted, probably raped and murdered. Since its the only real answer if he believes she didnt kill her and knows he didnt. Blaming the partner is a normal reaction in the best of families, the language might be different though. Its why so many divorce after a childs murder.

no way do i use rons rage/upset at haleighs disappearance that night as a template for misty being afraid of him. Have we any proof that he hits women, abuses them? apart from the fact he swore during a time that anyone might have not been themself? Sure continuous verbal abuse is a huge problem but i have seen no evidence of continuous verbal abuse or fear on misty's side of ron.

[Rick777]

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office will hold a briefing on the investigation at 3 p.m. Friday. First Coast News will bring it to you live on firstcoastnews.com and on WJXX, ABC-25 and NBC-12, WTLV.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=3


Thank you very much!

[breeze53]

Thank you for posting with us. Remember that many here do feel as you and I.

It is very clear to me that Ron loves his children. The fact that he was rewarded custody speaks volumns to me. He has their best interest at heart.

The raw fear that is evident in Ron's voice and face is there for all to see. This fear and pain goes deep. I pray that God will be with Ron during this difficult time. I just do not believe that Ron has done anything to Haleigh.

I don't see that Ron is that great of a father imo the child should have not been placed with either one of them. Maybe we wouldnt be hearing about this case today. Yes i feel sorry for him that doesn't make him the great father that some are makeing him out to be. A good father would not have put his children in this danger to begin with. When asked if he had another child besides these 2 he didnt even want to answer that question. There is more to this story then we will ever know I am sure.

[Tia]

Does anyone know where in Tennessee the cousin lives?

[omsk99]

I asked that a few days ago, what people thought of them sleeping all together when it was a three bedroom place. I don't recall a lot of feedback (but then I am getting old and forgetful) but I think people said maybe the rooms were used for other stuff, and one person said maybe because that was a room with the tv. But I find it odd too. I mean, if you have to bunk together for space fine. If the kids want to watch tv until bedtime fine. I mean I can understand the first week in a new place. Let the kids get comfy with their new surroundings. But I have a feeling that for some reason Ron wanted the family close together. So maybe there was some concern over something. I don't know.

I might have missed this, but I don't recall reading anywhere that was the father's bedroom. Unless it was specified, it could be the kids' bedroom, and Misty was sleeping with Junior, so that could be his bed and the father (Ronald) could have his own bedroom. Since Ronald wasn't home half o the night, perhaps Misty sleeps in the children's bedroom until Ronald gets home from work. Just a thought :mellow:

[VC2]

Really? Projection as a whole or in this one narrow instance? Because it has been my experience that people do project... such as a person who is cheating in a relationship very often accusing their mate of cheating.

O.T but
I have found in lurking in a lot of these cases(haven't posted since Scott Peterson, so long in fact that they expunged my user name and i had to re register lol), that people tend to point out things about(blame) victims and those around them in an effort to distance themselves... that sounds convoluted but i mean they focus on ways the victims and principals behaved differently than they themselves would act so they can convince themselves that the crime could not happen in their lives, homes, families,,

I so agree! Sort of a safety mechanism to feel that it couldn't haeppn to them.

[omsk99]

Misty said she didn't wake up because she was "exhausted". That makes me wonder what she did beforehand to be in that state.

Took care of the two little children, had visitors, made dinner, cleaned the house, did laundry...

[i_pickle]

~snipped to address~
Sure continuous verbal abuse is a huge problem but i have seen no evidence of continuous verbal abuse or fear on misty's side of ron.I wouldn't be surprised if there IS continued verbal abuse. He was enraged during the 911 call and Misty was listening to HIM, not the operator. She was clearly afraid of him, imo. The operator even told her that she would stay on the phone with her until LE arrived. I think she picked up on the fact that Ron might harm her because of his demeanor.

Also he called her his dumb b*tch g/f to law enforcement.

He has anger issues, big time, imo and yes, I think Misty is afraid of him.

[Peaches]

I saw it and I wondered what she was doing on there by herself as well. Not sure on how I feel about Misty though, I still have a gut feeling she knows something. Ron made a poor choice to allow his children to be cared for by Misty and I think that is what is killing him inside. For Misty to be in charge of those kids on a daily basis is just too much. Once in a while? Sure, but each day Ron worked his 12 hour shift, she was made to be the responsible guardian and that is too much to handle for a person like Misty, imo.

I think Ron is in the clear, desperately missing his daughter and second guessing his every move up until Haleigh went missing. I'm sure he isn't proud of his 911 tape, but I'd hate to hear what I would have to say if someone touched one of my kids, muchless stole them. And thank God someone donated the rv to Ron, bout time! imo.


Excellent post..............I know that we all have regrets when bad things happen. We all "what if"............or I should have.........

[omsk99]

I think its a birth mark. I believe I heard that on one of the news shows.

You are correct. When it turned out that the pink Hannah Montana shirt was found in the laundry pile at the house, they said in the media not to concentrate on her clothes, but on her distinctive features, such as the mole on her cheek.

[omsk99]

I disagree. I think it's obvious she is afraid of him and I don't buy the projecting excuse.

May I ask why it is so obvious? How do you know the dynamics of their relationship, or what Misty is feeling or thinking? :huh:

[ttcRider]

I wouldn't be surprised if there IS continued verbal abuse. He was enraged during the 911 call and Misty was listening to HIM, not the operator. She was clearly afraid of him, imo. The operator even told her that she would stay on the phone with her until LE arrived. I think she picked up on the fact that Ron might harm her because of his demeanor.

Also he called her his dumb b*tch g/f to law enforcement.

He has anger issues, big time, imo and yes, I think Misty is afraid of him.

I think seeing anyone you love lose control is scary. Its a side of them you would rarely see.. :shrug: You are scared for them not of them. JMO

[i_pickle]

May I ask why it is so obvious? How do you know the dynamics of their relationship, or what Misty is feeling or thinking? :huh:I don't know anymore than you do.

I'm giving my opinion and my observations. If that's a problem you may want to take it up with the moderator.

[Rick777]

Guh Geraldo.

I can't decide who's the bigger dork, Geraldo or Leonard Padilla.

[i_pickle]

I think seeing anyone you love lose control is scary. Its a side of them you would rarely see.. :shrug: You are scared for them not of them. JMOThat's a possibility but I still think he has anger issues and that Misty is afraid of him. :smile:

[Erin26GA]

Good Morning...sorry I have nnot had the time to read this whole thread..and maybe this has been mentioned this morning. Did anyone see Matt Lauer on the TODAY show this morning questioning Misty...WTH was that girl doing at 17 y/o on NATIONAL TV answeing his questions without a Lawyer...OMG...I was horrified....even Casey has an attorney defending her...this poor girl should not have been interrigated by Matt Lauer IMO.

OTOH...I really think she was being truthful...I don't think they have anything to do with this.

My $$ is on the relative from TN

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter.

[beachpatty]

Maybe cousin Joe was thinking (this is all based on IF there was, indeed, a fight or altercation between the Joe and Ron), he would really get even and taking Haleigh would be a way to retaliate, to really shake Ron up and hurt him. I wonder how old Joe is, anybody heard? Possibly he didn't think far enough ahead to realize just how much trouble he would start and once he did, and the ball got rolling, and he knows just what he is facing now if he tries to return Haleigh or tries to explain, it's a lose, lose situation for him. I hope and pray that LE has already stepped in and has questioned him at length to uncover any involvement. He has now had plenty of time to do whatever (I can't type the possibilities), I so hope that it was Haleigh that was sighted in Tennessee, and she will be found and returned to her family, today!

All speculation, of course, it would explain why the searches yielded nothing, except the scent stopping suddenly by the railroad tracks. Is there a terrain map posted anywhere that shows how close vehicles can come to those tracks, like is a traffic crossing? That would be the results if someone carried her and put her into a vehicle at that location.

Crossing my fingers that my speculations become realities,
Beachpatty
IMO

[IlliniFan]

Does anyone know where in Tennessee the cousin lives?


I'm not sure, but WS has a thread about the cousin, with his myspace (I believe) and his last name......Hope it's ok to post ino from another site....

[Rick777]

Hi omsk!

Thoughts on the cousin's involvement?

[3Monkeys]

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter.

Exactly, and more precisely, Casey was charged.

It may be a monetary issue... a lawyer would have to be procured using their own funds until charged, when one could be appointed to them... I believe that's how it works. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

ITA that there should be one family member or friend appointed as spokesperson though. JMO

[Rick777]

That's a possibility but I still think he has anger issues and that Misty is afraid of him. :smile:


I think so too.

[Tia]

I'm not sure, but WS has a thread about the cousin, with his myspace (I believe) and his last name......Hope it's ok to post ino from another site....


Thanks! Heading over!

[IlliniFan]

HLN says a family news conference.

[kitty1182]

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office will hold a briefing on the investigation at 3 p.m. Friday. First Coast News will bring it to you live on firstcoastnews.com and on WJXX, ABC-25 and NBC-12, WTLV.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=3


Thanks!!!!!

[3Monkeys]

I'm not sure, but WS has a thread about the cousin, with his myspace (I believe) and his last name......Hope it's ok to post ino from another site....

I believe you can post the link, but not JUST the words in the posting, w/o the link. You may want to double check the tips/hint thread to be sure.

[OneUp]

WFTV Viewer Donates Camper To Haleigh's Father

An Eyewitness News viewer decided to donate a camper to Haleigh's father, who is presently living in a tent, while investigators search for the little girl.

The camper will be arriving Friday for Ronald Cummings to live in. Cummings moved into the tent when his home became a crime scene.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757422/detail.html:thumbsup:I'm glad to hear this...surprised it took so long, but better late than never!
I'm not so sure he'll get e decent nights sleep no matter where he is, but at least the skeeters and No-See-Um's won't eat him alive.
I still feel so badly every time I see Ron. He looks completely devastated to me and I still don't see him as guilty in any manner for Haleighs disappearance.
JMO.

[CC I See]

I don't see that Ron is that great of a father imo the child should have not been placed with either one of them. Maybe we wouldnt be hearing about this case today. Yes i feel sorry for him that doesn't make him the great father that some are makeing him out to be. A good father would not have put his children in this danger to begin with. When asked if he had another child besides these 2 he didnt even want to answer that question. There is more to this story then we will ever know I am sure.

...... breeze, you are a breath of fresh air to the board. I said something yesterday and got absolutely blasted for it. My comment was in response to a statement where posters wrote that they thought Haleigh was abducted by a sexual predator. I stated that I hoped that if she was abducted that it was someone not a predator who wanted to rescue her because they saw a child in need. I prefer to maintain hope that she is OK and is with someone who loves and is caring for her. The people who blasted me stated that I was making a judgement about the Lifestyle of the family and that she needed rescuing. There are two ways to look at my comment, I wasn't making any judgement, only hope that she is OK. Never give up hope.

[breeze53]

What is "this danger" you're referring to?

Ron might have 42 children for all we know. It's irrelevant IMO

I agree with you about the 42 children. What i meant was him going with a child himself and then letting this child try and be a mother is his children. Not a wise chocie imo.

[VC2]

I don't see that Ron is that great of a father imo the child should have not been placed with either one of them. Maybe we wouldnt be hearing about this case today. Yes i feel sorry for him that doesn't make him the great father that some are makeing him out to be. A good father would not have put his children in this danger to begin with. When asked if he had another child besides these 2 he didnt even want to answer that question. There is more to this story then we will ever know I am sure.

WHAT danger did he put them in???? you mean letting his live in 17 yr old g/f stay with them while he was at work? I guess that means that 17 year old moms should have their kids taken away from them too. There is no evidence whatsoever that the children were anything but happy, well fed and well adjusted. Haleighs teacher said she was a normal happy child. Perhaps you think he should have hired a 19 year old to baby sit the 3 of them?

Honestly by your reasoning mark lunsford put jessica in danger by letting his elderly parents look after her when he was at work

Until someone shows me that those kids were not looked after i see no way that Ron put them in danger to begin with. Anyone looking after them could have slept through an abduction, it has happened time and time again, no matter their age.

17 and 24 may not be my ideal but there are thousands upon thousands of couples like that, many with children-either their own or step. Mothers and fathers of 30 ignore their kids, don't care, don't want to get out of bed to take them to doctors appointments, spend all their money on drink and drugs, abuse them. Give me a dad like Ron and a g/f like Misty of them any day, age be damned. She is far from perfect but Ron did not put his kids in "this danger" and it does not look at all like Misty had anything to do with it except she didn't wake up and i dont think that has a whole lot do with anything that could be foreseen

In fact, no parent could foresee this.

imo

[omsk99]

I totally agree.


It doesn't matter what situation it is, what case it is. I am not even speaking of here, just in general.


If there is for instance a crime scene. A window had been left open blah blah.

A certain percentage of folks would say, that is odd, who leaves a window open. Others would say, of course a window was open, doesn't everyone sleep with a window open? Still more would argue on which window should have been left open. While others would ask why there were not bars on the window.

Again, not talking about here. Just people do tend to look at things based on how they live their life.

Never locking doors, always locking doors, etc etc.

ITA, excellent point! :thumbsup:

[Rick777]

This could be the "Joe" in Tennessee. He's listed on Misty's brothers page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

[Armchairdet]

I think seeing anyone you love lose control is scary. Its a side of them you would rarely see.. :shrug: You are scared for them not of them. JMO

I think in Misty's situation I would be...not afraid of him, but combine my guilt over something happening on my watch, with seeing my fairly new boyfriend out of control (with good reason) I would be shocked, numb, afraid, and experiencing a dozen other emotions and feelings.

Keep in mind that mature or not mature, she has been on this earth a limited amount of years, in a somewhat sheltered environment. That is to say I don't think she has travelled the world, or had advance studies. Her world was the town she lived in, her family, and Ron. I mean think about what she might have been losing in her mind. Think of what she may feel she caused. She may be second guessing herself. Did I unlock the door? Etc.

When life was going well, and she was taking care of the kids, and hanging out with her boyfriend no problem. She was for the most part an adult in an adult role. But I think if it were me, in her shoes, when he started yelling (again with good reason) I would revert back to being a teenager getting yelled at by an adult.

She is doing all she can to fix it IMO. She told about the cousin right away. When it came to helping Haliegh she did what she couldn't do to help herself. (Assuming the accusation about the cousing messing with her were accurate.) She also told Ron about the kid she was babysitting, his other kid as far as she knew, not being cared for well. I think she does love the kids, and Ron too.

[jakee]

Just tuned in to see the presser. Who is the woman next to grandmother, the one with the curly hair? Grandmother breaks my heart. She loves Haleigh so much.

[i_pickle]

...... breeze, you are a breath of fresh air to the board. I said something yesterday and got absolutely blasted for it. My comment was in response to a statement where posters wrote that they thought Haleigh was abducted by a sexual predator. I stated that I hoped that if she was abducted that it was someone not a predator who wanted to rescue her because they saw a child in need. I prefer to maintain hope that she is OK and is with someone who loves and is caring for her. The people who blasted me stated that I was making a judgement about the Lifestyle of the family and that she needed rescuing. There are two ways to look at my comment, I wasn't making any judgement, only hope that she is OK. Never give up hope.LOL, blasted for having an opinion that some don't approve of? NEVER!

I find the knee-jerk reactions of some that any question of Ron, Misty or the Mom is an indication of disapproval of their "lifestyle" really telling. I had a poster tell me that I "just don't understand these kind of people" as tho they're from another planet. They are people just like the rest of us and imo, it's their staunch defenders that insist they are "different."

Very, very telling, imo.

[juliekan]

This could be the "Joe" in Tennessee. He's listed on Misty's brothers page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

:scared: yikes, scary looking

[blue bird]

I've mostly been covering this case by reading on the internet, mostly on this board and have seen little on TV (too busy to watch TV). I just watched this clips of Misty on Matt Lauer. She doesn't seem like one of those girls that is mature beyond her years. She really comes across like a young 17yr old.

[juliekan]

CNN carrying it, http://www.cnn.com/video/ click on breaking news videos and then on breaking news release.

I had a hard time hearing this.....did they say they were searching the wooded area about 200 (yards ??) behind the trailer because of a "good tip" according to the grandmother? TIA

[omsk99]

No i don't. Not sure why anyone does, yes i know he swore at/about her when haleigh went missing but imo that is a panicked reaction to the unimaginable horror if a child abducted, probably raped and murdered. Since its the only real answer if he believes she didnt kill her and knows he didnt. Blaming the partner is a normal reaction in the best of families, the language might be different though. Its why so many divorce after a childs murder.

no way do i use rons rage/upset at haleighs disappearance that night as a template for misty being afraid of him. Have we any proof that he hits women, abuses them? apart from the fact he swore during a time that anyone might have not been themself? Sure continuous verbal abuse is a huge problem but i have seen no evidence of continuous verbal abuse or fear on misty's side of ron.

I agree with you again, :smile:For one thing, I think Ron's temper has been blown out of proportion, without consideration for the situation he is in. I do not think this is indicative of his usual behavior, I think even the calmest person could lose it given the circumstances. We do not know Ron in everyday life, and the fact that he was awarded custody of the kids, IMO, speaks for itself.

I also think that if Misty is not telling all he knows is because she might be afraid, but not of Ron, in general - of the media, of Haleigh's family, LE, but NOT in physical terms (she would be hurt or anything of the kind), but rather of them seeing her as irresponsible and not having been able to prevent this from happening.

[Rick777]

I've mostly been covering this case by reading on the internet, mostly on this board and have seen little on TV (too busy to watch TV). I just watched this clips of Misty on Matt Lauer. She doesn't seem like one of those girls that is mature beyond her years. She really comes across like a young 17yr old.

I think she's very immature. She may be "street smart", but she's not mature.

[breeze53]

I think in Misty's situation I would be...not afraid of him, but combine my guilt over something happening on my watch, with seeing my fairly new boyfriend out of control (with good reason) I would be shocked, numb, afraid, and experiencing a dozen other emotions and feelings.

Keep in mind that mature or not mature, she has been on this earth a limited amount of years, in a somewhat sheltered environment. That is to say I don't think she has travelled the world, or had advance studies. Her world was the town she lived in, her family, and Ron. I mean think about what she might have been losing in her mind. Think of what she may feel she caused. She may be second guessing herself. Did I unlock the door? Etc.

When life was going well, and she was taking care of the kids, and hanging out with her boyfriend no problem. She was for the most part an adult in an adult role. But I think if it were me, in her shoes, when he started yelling (again with good reason) I would revert back to being a teenager getting yelled at by an adult.

She is doing all she can to fix it IMO. She told about the cousin right away. When it came to helping Haliegh she did what she couldn't do to help herself. (Assuming the accusation about the cousing messing with her were accurate.) She also told Ron about the kid she was babysitting, his other kid as far as she knew, not being cared for well. I think she does love the kids, and Ron too.



Why are you bashing me for my post good grief I am entiled to think as I wish. Misty is a child herself takeing on a role she wasnt ready for. As for Ron he really thinks alot of her doesnt he after cussing her in front of LE. The most important thing here is Haleigh I hope they find her safe and sound and whoever did this to h er get's what they deserve.

[Rick777]

I had a hard time hearing this.....did they say they were searching the wooded area about 200 (yards ??) behind the trailer because of a "good tip" according to the grandmother? TIA


What? Really?

[omsk99]

I don't see that Ron is that great of a father imo the child should have not been placed with either one of them. Maybe we wouldnt be hearing about this case today. Yes i feel sorry for him that doesn't make him the great father that some are makeing him out to be. A good father would not have put his children in this danger to begin with. When asked if he had another child besides these 2 he didnt even want to answer that question. There is more to this story then we will ever know I am sure.

How did he "put his children" in danger? Are you seriously suggesting that the children would be better off with a foster family, just because the father has to work long or late hours? :rolleyes:

[omsk99]

I don't know anymore than you do.

I'm giving my opinion and my observations. If that's a problem you may want to take it up with the moderator.

I am sorry if you misunderstood me. You used "obvious", which is more than an opinion (without going to much into semantics). My question was only why it is so obvious, in case I missed something.

[Peaches]

I don't see that Ron is that great of a father imo the child should have not been placed with either one of them. Maybe we wouldnt be hearing about this case today. Yes i feel sorry for him that doesn't make him the great father that some are makeing him out to be. A good father would not have put his children in this danger to begin with. When asked if he had another child besides these 2 he didnt even want to answer that question. There is more to this story then we will ever know I am sure.


What danger?

My mother was a parent at the age of 16; my father was 18. She and my father raised 7 children. We always knew that our parents loved us and wanted only the best for us throughout our lives! They could not always give us loads of material things but they always gave us themselves............they had time for us.

Did they ever make bad choices? Sure! But the most important thing is to love your children and to provide for them to the best of your ability. Many parents are poor. Many parents are young. Many parents are uneducated. This does not make them bad parents.

So it is your opinion that Ron leaving his children with Misty made him a bad father? To me, it may have been a very bad choice but I feel certain that he trusted her to care for the children or he would have made other arrangements.

Ron worked 12 hours a day to support these children. I feel that he loved them and did not want anyone/anything to harm them.

We ALL have made a bad choice in our lives...............some of us just hav e not had to pay such a hugh price.

MOO

[Rick777]

How did he "put his children" in danger? Are you seriously suggesting that the children would be better off with a foster family, just because the father has to work long or late hours? :rolleyes:

I don't know what kind of father he was omsk, but he does have a lengthy drug rap sheet....mostly pot....but thats not a real great situation around kids.

[5boxersmom]

I missed some of the presser. Did they say the cousin is being questioned? So they know where he is?

Haleigh's grandmother just breaks my heart. I wish I could give her a hug.

imo

[i_pickle]

I am sorry if you misunderstood me. You used "obvious", which is more than an opinion (without going to much into semantics). My question was only why it is so obvious, in case I missed something.I said it's obvious to me, because it is.

Why do you assume that I misunderstood you? :confused:

[omsk99]

Hi omsk!

Thoughts on the cousin's involvement?

Hi Rick! :seeya: For some reason I don't think he is involved at all, especially since he left before Haleigh disappeared (if the reports are correct). Besides, he would have to be pretty stupid, IMO, to take Haleigh since everyone knew he was there and given his 'shady' past. I am sure LE checked him out.

[n/t]

I missed the presser. Does the family usually have their own pressers? Was LE with them? TIA

[Rick777]

Hi Rick! :seeya: For some reason I don't think he is involved at all, especially since he left before Haleigh disappeared (if the reports are correct). Besides, he would have to be pretty stupid, IMO, to take Haleigh since everyone knew he was there and given his 'shady' past. I am sure LE checked him out.

I was thinking he left the day Haleigh went missing. You'd be right if he left before. hmmmmmmm

[Armchairdet]

Why are you bashing me for my post good grief I am entiled to think as I wish. Misty is a child herself takeing on a role she wasnt ready for. As for Ron he really thinks alot of her doesnt he after cussing her in front of LE. The most important thing here is Haleigh I hope they find her safe and sound and whoever did this to h er get's what they deserve.


I guess the board went funky. I was quoting someone else, and voicing my opinion. Are we not to post after someone gives an opinion. If I broke a rule it is because I did not understand. My mistake.

I take my opinion back if I broke a rule.

[omsk99]

I don't know what kind of father he was omsk, but he does have a lengthy drug rap sheet....mostly pot....but thats not a real great situation around kids.

Sorry, I politely disagree - I do not consider smoking pot as putting children in danger (I am not saying I approve it, either! But do not see it as a big deal). JMO

[5boxersmom]

I don't either, I'm more interested in what they are digging up 200 feet from the trailer.

Oh gosh. :sad:

[Rick777]

Sorry, I politely disagree - I do not consider smoking pot as putting children in danger (I am not saying I approve it, either! But do not see it as a big deal). JMO

Well it is illegal, so exposing the kids to it wouldn't make him dad of the year.:smile:

[juliekan]

I missed the presser. Does the family usually have their own pressers? Was LE with them? TIA

Lately, the family has a presser at 1pm eastern and LE has one at 3pm eastern.

[omsk99]

I said it's obvious to me, because it is.

Why do you assume that I misunderstood you? :confused:

I did not assume, I said "if" you did; because I love reading everyone's opinions, which is what these forums are for, whether I agree with them or not. Like I said, I only wanted to know why it was obvious, because that's a pretty strong statement (IMO only). We don't have to agree :wink:

[i_pickle]

I did not assume, I said "if" you did; because I love reading everyone's opinions, which is what these forums are for, whether I agree with them or not. Like I said, I only wanted to know why it was obvious, because that's a pretty strong statement (IMO only). We don't have to agree :wink:I already explained that. You may want to read my posts today if you really want to know the answer.

[Rick777]

Is there actual "digging" going on right now near the trailer?????

[omsk99]

Well it is illegal, so exposing the kids to it wouldn't make him dad of the year.:smile:

I don't think he ever intended to qualify :wink:

[i_pickle]

I don't think he ever intended to qualify :wink:Why do you say that?

[Rick777]

I don't think he ever intended to qualify :wink:


hahahaha....shush up.:laugh:

[juliekan]

This is the best article - not much - I can find about Joe.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html

Thank you :smile:

[omsk99]

Why do you say that?

That was a joke... :huh:

ETA: A joke, meaning I don't think Ron or most fathers try to be the 'father of the year', but take care of their families the best way they can. Hope this clarifies it.

[Rick777]

You can do everything in your power to keep your children safe, be the perfect parent and watch EVERY move they make and something can happen to them. You can be the worst parent in the world and your kids can go through life w/o every being hurt or taken ....

IMO


This is very true, although TRYING to be the perfect parent can move the odds in your favor some. I hope anyway.

[breeze53]

I guess the board went funky. I was quoting someone else, and voicing my opinion. Are we not to post after someone gives an opinion. If I broke a rule it is because I did not understand. My mistake.

I take my opinion back if I broke a rule.


Don't know what to think about this board to be honest. We all should be able to say and think as we want, I am sure not here to fight and i'm sure not a troll . Maybe because we hear something new that Misty has came up with everyday it has threw us off balance:w00t: I didn't say I thought the dad was guilty i just said I dont think hes all that. As for Misty yes shes young but she should have thought what she was getting into before takeing on the mother role. I am raseing 4 grandchildren right now due to the fact I have a daughter who acts alot like Misty so trust me I know a few things. jmo

[i_pickle]

That was a joke... :huh:But why would you say that? What's the joke?

[kitty1182]

Is there actual "digging" going on right now near the trailer?????

Don't know:sad:

[Rick777]

But why would you say that? What's the joke?


omsk was saying that Ron never signed up to be "dad of the year".

[Armchairdet]

You did just fine- it is just a touchy subject with everyone. :wink:



Thank you. I assure you I never have any intention of bashing anyone. My main focus is on Haleigh coming home safe, as is I feel is the hope of everyone here. I agree it is a touchy subject.

[omsk99]

But why would you say that? What's the joke?

I edited my post and explained.

[Rick777]

I don't get very excited about Pressers anymore. After yesterday's presser to squash a rumor, I can only be fooled so many times. (8 to be exact.):laugh:

[breeze53]

Thank you. I assure you I never have any intention of bashing anyone. My main focus is on Haleigh coming home safe, as is I feel is the hope of everyone here. I agree it is a touchy subject.

Mine to and I hope this tip brings her home safe to her family.

[omsk99]

omsk was saying that Ron never signed up to be "dad of the year".

Thank you, my friend :seeya:

[breeze53]

I think its just searching. jmo


Did they ever have dogs in that area searching or does anyone know?

[juliekan]

I don't get very excited about Pressers anymore. After yesterday's presser to squash a rumor, I can only be fooled so many times. (8 to be exact.):laugh:

Why don't you just post the presser for us now, like you did yesterday, so I can move on with my day.

You must be clairvoyant :laugh:

[breeze53]

what kind of danger are you talking about? did Marc Klaas put polly in danger? did Mark Lunsford put Jessica in danger?

Was either one of there children left with a 17 yr. old?

[omsk99]

I don't get very excited about Pressers anymore. After yesterday's presser to squash a rumor, I can only be fooled so many times. (8 to be exact.):laugh:

Same here, but I wonder if they are doing it in order to keep this in the news, even if there are no new developments :read:

[Rick777]

Thank you, my friend :seeya:


:wink::wink:

[i_pickle]

omsk was saying that Ron never signed up to be "dad of the year".I know. I asked why s/he would say that.

Guess s/he has no answer.

[kitty1182]

I pray she is found alive and well, but if she's isn't alive and near the home, I hope it's not Ron who finds her..:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

I've forgotten some of the early details about Joe.

Was he there for awhile, and then left without seeing anyone after Haleigh disappeared, and then it was very difficult to locate him?

Thanks.

Is Joe the cousin LE said yesterday that they had already talked to?

Or is this another cousin?

Or are we just now hearing that his name is Joe?

[i_pickle]

I edited my post and explained.Thanks for the explanation. :wink:

[breeze53]

How much older do you want?

My husband of 35+ years was 14 years older that me. He was the most wonderful man is this world. He was not only good to me but to our children, my parents, my sibling and friends as well.

BTW..........he had 2 children when we married. He had custody of them, and I became their mother although I was ONLY 14 years older than one of them.

I am asking anyone who doesnt like my posts to please put me on ignore. I dont deserve the bashing I was only stateing what i felt. Thanks! I am not here to fight I am here because I worry about Haleigh just like the rest of you do and want her found and brought home safe.

[CC I See]

Don't know what to think about this board to be honest. We all should be able to say and think as we want, I am sure not here to fight and i'm sure not a troll . Maybe because we hear something new that Misty has came up with everyday it has threw us off balance:w00t: I didn't say I thought the dad was guilty i just said I dont think hes all that. As for Misty yes shes young but she should have thought what she was getting into before takeing on the mother role. I am raseing 4 grandchildren right now due to the fact I have a daughter who acts alot like Misty so trust me I know a few things. jmo You sure do. If Haleigh were my granddaughter, I would not want her sleeping on a blow up mattress next to my son's 17 year girlfriend that he only knew for a few months. Haleigh is a special needs child with serious health issue and has had to be hospitalized at least three times according to her parents. Given that fact and Misty's own statement that she didn't know WHAT Haleigh was wearing to bed that night, it was stated earlier that she wore the Hanna Montana shirt to school that day and went to bed wearing it.... well, maybe she did. Means no bath that night. Sometimes family has to step in when they see a bad situation..... As for Lifestyle, it has nothing to do with it. It is those of us who have actually LIVED this Lifestyle that realize the pitfalls, dangers and risks. We can see what others can't.

[Rick777]

Same here, but I wonder if they are doing it in order to keep this in the news, even if there are no new developments :read:


Thats a good point, and a good idea.

[omsk99]

Was either one of there children left with a 17 yr. old?

I know this question was not addressed to me, but I'd like to respond to that. No, they were with their parents/grandparents, which is exactly the point here, that the age of those who were watching the kids obviously did not prevent the girls from being abducted.

[breeze53]

I pray she is found alive and well, but if she's isn't alive and near the home, I hope it's not Ron who finds her..:sad:


I hope no family member has to be the one who finds her unless shes alive,they have gone threw enough they sure dont need that too.

[Rick777]

I am asking anyone who doesnt like my posts to please put me on ignore. I dont deserve the bashing I was only stateing what i felt. Thanks! I am not here to fight I am here because I worry about Haleigh just like the rest of you do and want her found and brought home safe.


Say what is on your mind! For every person that say's big age differences work, there will be one that says it never works. Bashing sucks, but difference of opinion is good!

[crymeariver2006]

I think Misty's brother and his children were the one's that visited her from 5 to about 5:45 pm??? IIRC

I don't know. One day a "cousin" was thrown into the mix and I don't think we ever got confirmation whether it was Misty's cousin or Haleigh's cousins (Misty's brother's children.)

[crymeariver2006]

I am asking anyone who doesnt like my posts to please put me on ignore. I dont deserve the bashing I was only stateing what i felt. Thanks! I am not here to fight I am here because I worry about Haleigh just like the rest of you do and want her found and brought home safe.

I like your posts and I don't own an ignore list!

*waves*

[KKKKKKatie]

Good grief you guys! I love to post but hesitate to here given all the snarkiness.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion without being bashed or replied to with disrespect.

This board will be shut down soon if it doesn't stop. Please skip and scroll! IMO

[Rick777]

Good grief you guys! I love to post but hesitate to here given all the snarkiness.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion without being bashed or replied to with disrespect.

This board will be shut down soon if it doesn't stop. Please skip and scroll! IMO


Define "Snarkiness". :laugh:

[omsk99]

I am asking anyone who doesnt like my posts to please put me on ignore. I dont deserve the bashing I was only stateing what i felt. Thanks! I am not here to fight I am here because I worry about Haleigh just like the rest of you do and want her found and brought home safe.

Breeze, I don't think that was anyone's intention - to bash you! So many of us disagree here, but that's good because it brings out different points of view. :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

But Cummings has had brushes with the law, including minor drug arrests, though most charges were dropped. In 2001 he was arrested after a man said he was threatened with a beating, according to court records.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021909/state_021909_028.shtml


IIRC the majority of the drug charges were from before Haleigh was even born. The rest of the charges were hunting related and the one assault charge. It doesn't appear he had his children around any drug situations. imo

Thank you for finding that bookie! Good to see ya! :thumbsup:

[Peaches]

Say what is on your mind! For every person that say's big age differences work, there will be one that says it never works. Bashing sucks, but difference of opinion is good!


Bashing????????????????

I do not feel that it is bashing to disagree with what another posted.

If some can not take a difference of opinion, maybe they should not post their own.

We ALL do not have to agree here.

Age difference................is an opinion too. I have mine and you yours........we are all intitled to post.

[KKKKKKatie]

Define "Snarkiness". :laugh:

:lol::lol:

[Rick777]

Bashing????????????????

I do not feel that it is bashing to disagree with what another posted.

If some can not take a difference of opinion, maybe they should not post their own.

We ALL do not have to agree here.

Age difference................is an opinion too. I have mine and you yours........we are all intitled to post.

I agree. That was the point of my post.:smile:

[IlliniFan]

I don't know. One day a "cousin" was thrown into the mix and I don't think we ever got confirmation whether it was Misty's cousin or Haleigh's cousins (Misty's brother's children.)


soo confused...

[Armchairdet]

But Cummings has had brushes with the law, including minor drug arrests, though most charges were dropped. In 2001 he was arrested after a man said he was threatened with a beating, according to court records.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/021909/state_021909_028.shtml


IIRC the majority of the drug charges were from before Haleigh was even born. The rest of the charges were hunting related and the one assault charge. It doesn't appear he had his children around any drug situations. imo



Nothing like having kids to make you staighten out and grow up. IMO

[Rick777]

Honestly.....it's hard to bash anyone cuz we don't know what the heck is what in this case!! I am soooooooo confused.:confused:

[breeze53]

I like your posts and I don't own an ignore list!

*waves*
Thanks I dont put anyone on ignore either i enjoy everyones post:lol:
The cousin that has came up if he was there before they went to bed could he have taken her and Misty knew it but was afraid to tell Ron and makeing up the whole 3 am story? Then again if he was there he could have been putting his plan in motion and unlocking the back door before he left, if they never used that door she would have still thought it was locked. He would have known the layout of the house to. If FBI is questioning him right now where's HALEIGH?

[CC I See]

..... something else Misty forgot to mention early in the investigation and only now stating it? Now, she can blame Haleigh's disappearance on her cousin who may or may not have "messed with her" when she was younger. We have only her word that he did. He might be innocent.... in my opinion.Authorities in Tennessee have also questioned a cousin of Misty Croslin -- the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last person to see the 5-year-old. Family members told Channel 4 that relative visited the Cummings' home and left on Monday -- hours before Haleigh disappeared

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18759634/detail.html

[Peaches]

I am asking anyone who doesnt like my posts to please put me on ignore. I dont deserve the bashing I was only stateing what i felt. Thanks! I am not here to fight I am here because I worry about Haleigh just like the rest of you do and want her found and brought home safe.


What?

Are you saying that you do not want anyone who disagrees with your post or your opinion to not answer?

Is this fair?

I certainly do not mean to make your angry. I just do not agree with you about the age difference thing.

It is my hope that Haleigh will be found and returned to her father. It is also my hope that she will be okay!

[SavannahStar]

Bashing????????????????

I do not feel that it is bashing to disagree with what another posted.

If some can not take a difference of opinion, maybe they should not post their own.

We ALL do not have to agree here.

Age difference................is an opinion too. I have mine and you yours........we are all intitled to post.

You are so right! We all do not have to agree here, that's what makes it a good place for discussion and debate! I only know of one forum where everyone MUST agree. :wink:

[breeze53]

Honestly.....it's hard to bash anyone cuz we don't know what the heck is what in this case!! I am soooooooo confused.:confused:

It sure seems to change fast.

[omsk99]

I totally agree with you, but was hesitant to say it. The picture of that child sleepin on a blow up mattresss, with daddy and mIsti sleeping just across from her , imo is not healthy. Where were her possesions, her little bureau, Dad did the best he could but often it is not enough.

As far as I know, we don't know if Ronald slept in the same room. That could be the children's bedroom, where Misty slept in the same bed as Junior while Ronald was at work. I don't see anything wrong with that :shrug:

JMO

[i_pickle]

~snipped to address~

Age difference................is an opinion too. I have mine and you yours........we are all intitled to post.The fact that she is a minor may be a problem to some, idk. I think she is a very young and immature 17 yo and not qualified to take on the responsibilities she had.

[Rick777]

I totally agree with you, but was hesitant to say it. The picture of that child sleepin on a blow up mattresss, with daddy and mIsti sleeping just across from her , imo is not healthy. Where were her possesions, her little bureau, Dad did the best he could but often it is not enough.


Obviously I don't live in a remote part of Florida like they do, but maybe thats the norm there? Maybe space is an issue and they are accustomed to that and happy.:shrug:

[KKKKKKatie]

You are so right! We all do not have to agree here, that's what makes it a good place for discussion and debate! I only know of one forum where everyone MUST agree. :wink:

that is not fair SS...not everyone that posts there feels that way IMO

[Peaches]

Worse things go on in that family than no bath at night. I believe she was loved, and very cared for, and standards of living day to day are different for different segments of our society.

His family has been living in a tent, in a front yard of a trailer, since Haleigh went missing. I don't think no bath one night would get anyone's attention, and otherwise it does seem she had an enjoyable life.


Excellent post, RR!

[CC I See]

Nothing like having kids to make you staighten out and grow up. IMOI wonder why Social Services made one or more visits to the home in the recent past. Maybe they had information we don't have ..... someone must have called them.

[Rick777]

Here's another myspace page for the Tennessee "Joe"

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

[StickyBeak]

What danger?

My mother was a parent at the age of 16; my father was 18. She and my father raised 7 children. We always knew that our parents loved us and wanted only the best for us throughout our lives! They could not always give us loads of material things but they always gave us themselves............they had time for us.

Did they ever make bad choices? Sure! But the most important thing is to love your children and to provide for them to the best of your ability. Many parents are poor. Many parents are young. Many parents are uneducated. This does not make them bad parents.

So it is your opinion that Ron leaving his children with Misty made him a bad father? To me, it may have been a very bad choice but I feel certain that he trusted her to care for the children or he would have made other arrangements.

Ron worked 12 hours a day to support these children. I feel that he loved them and did not want anyone/anything to harm them.

We ALL have made a bad choice in our lives...............some of us just hav e not had to pay such a hugh price.

MOO

Good Post, I agree with you. Rons Mother has no problem with this arrangement, she works for LE and thinks Misty is qualified. The children love Misty plus GM lives a few miles away and obviously has contact. Whatever the relationship between Misty and Ron, I think LE or DCF would have stepped in to remove Junior if they thought this a bad situation. JMO

[breeze53]

What?

Are you saying that you do not want anyone who disagrees with your post or your opinion to not answer?

Is this fair?

I certainly do not mean to make your angry. I just do not agree with you about the age difference thing.

It is my hope that Haleigh will be found and returned to her father. It is also my hope that she will be okay!


NO NO NO thats not whay I am saying, I thought you all were ill because I dont think the dad is all that. But that JMO as I think we all should be able to have on here. It's ok not to agree with me, it's ok for me to not agree with you:smile: I guess i am just peeved the child got missing as everyone on here is without knowing why or how. Post on thats what this board is all about. No one has the same ideas or for the most part not.

[i_pickle]

Nothing like having kids to make you staighten out and grow up. IMOFor many people this is true, but unfortunately not for everyone.

Child abuse and/or neglect is a real problem.

[juliekan]

Here's another myspace page for the Tennessee "Joe"

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

Did you look at his "friends" pages? Yikes...

[juliekan]

That Joe only has 4 friends, including Tom, don't think it's this guy


Both sites say "Joe" is from Antioch, TN

[Armchairdet]

For many people this is true, but unfortunately not for everyone.

Child abuse and/or neglect is a real problem.



Yes well, I don't ever mean 'everyone in the world' when I post something like that. :tonguewag:

[Rick777]

It may be the norm, but I think it is sad. I am sure the childrens welfare approved of the conditions. I assumed when Ron comes home from work he gets in bed with Misti. the previous owner said the room is 10' x 10'. I understood the boy was in another room. the story changes everyday. I assume when ron comes home from work he gets in the bed where Misti is.


dang....10 X 10. That would make it even more odd that a criminal could get in there and take a child without bumping into anyone.

[KittyMom]

Its my understanding they are searching, not digging. jmo

That's my understanding as well. Ground searches. I've not seen anything about digging.

[breeze53]

It may be the norm, but I think it is sad. I am sure the childrens welfare approved of the conditions. I assumed when Ron comes home from work he gets in bed with Misti. the previous owner said the room is 10' x 10'. I understood the boy was in another room. the story changes everyday. .

And I always thought they were all in the same room:shrug:
Beginning to wonder what time any of them were there that night.

[bhardy1956]

Here's another myspace page for the Tennessee "Joe"

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

How come these MySpace sites are always available to everyone? Doesn't people keep them private unless you are a friend? casey's case and Haleigh's case?

[Peaches]

I wonder why Social Services made one or more visits to the home in the recent past. Maybe they had information we don't have ..... someone must have called them.


I read that SS had never been called to this house.........where they now live.

[crymeariver2006]

This could be the "Joe" in Tennessee. He's listed on Misty's brothers page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

This guy's 19. If he supposedly molested Misty when she was "a child", how old would he have been?

Oh yeah, did you notice what your cursor (arrow) does on this page?

[Rick777]

If the cousin or a perp took Haleigh, it would be hard for them 12 days in, to deal with a 5 year old. I wish they would just drop her off somewhere.

[crymeariver2006]

I read that SS had never been called to this house.........where they now live.

I believe it was LE who had not been called to the house. IIRC, DCF had been called.

[Peaches]

Good Post, I agree with you. Rons Mother has no problem with this arrangement, she works for LE and thinks Misty is qualified. The children love Misty plus GM lives a few miles away and obviously has contact. Whatever the relationship between Misty and Ron, I think LE or DCF would have stepped in to remove Junior if they thought this a bad situation. JMO


And, I agree with you. As much as it seems that the GM loves these children, she would be saying that she believes that Misty loved these children and took good care of them if she did not believe it.

[Snow_Dream]

The interview this morning with Matt Lauer & Misty is odd, imo. Is Misty being made to give interviews? I am thrown by her demeanor. Not that is should be one way or the other, I'm just not seeing her "willful" self, she seems reluctant to answer questions fully. But then again, this whole case is full of "I dunno's". I've heard how willful and cooperative Ron and Misty have been with le, but does she really have a choice? Without an attorney, she most likely doesn't have a clue of what she should do. Where are her parents? I'm so surprised the media hasn't gone to them. Does anyone know where Misty's parents are? :confused:

Her OVERALL demeanor grates on my last nerve! The way she struts in front of the camera, smoking her cigarettes--like look at me, somebody discover me, I need a movie deal.

[juliekan]

This guy's 19. If he supposedly molested Misty when she was "a child", how old would he have been?

Oh yeah, did you notice what your cursor (arrow) does on this page?

:scared::scared: didn't see that the first time

[5boxersmom]

I want to know if this cousin had a vehicle and how he got back to Tennessee.

[juliekan]

Fox News: presser coming up, we expect new info

:rolleyes:

[Peaches]

NO NO NO thats not whay I am saying, I thought you all were ill because I dont think the dad is all that. But that JMO as I think we all should be able to have on here. It's ok not to agree with me, it's ok for me to not agree with you:smile: I guess i am just peeved the child got missing as everyone on here is without knowing why or how. Post on thats what this board is all about. No one has the same ideas or for the most part not.


Good............I have never been much of a fighter either.

Now we know that we are simply disagreeing without being at odds!

[crymeariver2006]

It may be the norm, but I think it is sad. I am sure the childrens welfare approved of the conditions. I assumed when Ron comes home from work he gets in bed with Misti. the previous owner said the room is 10' x 10'. I understood the boy was in another room. the story changes everyday. .

And DCF may not have been aware that they were sleeping in the same room until Haleigh disappeared. That *could* account for Misty's ever changing stories, i.e. "her room", "my room", "her bed" "my bed" and so on.

IMO, DCF would tend to frown on children sleeping in the same room with an adult couple.

IIRC, Ron had wanted the house because he needed 3 bedrooms.

[Rick777]

Fox News: presser coming up, we expect new info

:rolleyes:


yeah....I'm sure....like.."Misty just recalled that 11 other people were at the house, but she didn't mention it cuz they seemed nice."

[SavannahStar]

Her OVERALL demeanor grates on my last nerve! The way she struts in front of the camera, smoking her cigarettes--like look at me, somebody discover me, I need a movie deal.

I don't get that impression at all!

[crymeariver2006]

Her OVERALL demeanor grates on my last nerve! The way she struts in front of the camera, smoking her cigarettes--like look at me, somebody discover me, I need a movie deal.

My DH says the same thing. He just doesn't like her.

He also can't stand Casey Anthony. Every time he sees her he starts going "Um-huh, um-huh" imitating her police interviews. IOW, "What time is it?", "Um-huh, um-huh".

[crymeariver2006]

yeah....I'm sure....like.."Misty just recalled that 11 other people were at the house, but she didn't mention it cuz they seemed nice."


"But we can't discuss that"

"We can't confirm whether there really is a Misty"

"I'll take one more question"

[cyndi]

I truly think that everyone that writes comments cares, and though you and I may agree or disagree with their opinions, remember the whole idea of a forum is to allow us to voice ourselves. I try to keep up with the news but in all honesty, I read these forums to see other responses.
I feel this case is in no way like the Anthony case. If anything, it resembles the Jessica Langsford ( I think thats how you spell her name) case. The family, both maternal and paternal , seem to have put their anger for each aside to help locate that little angel. While, some may think their lifestyle isn't right, that isnt our judgment call. I pray with all my being that she is found alive.
I do have to say that when my kids were little, and my husband worked 24 hour shifts, my children and I always slept in the same room, along with our dogs. Safety and Security was our main concern, and I wanted to be right there if I was needed.

[indie lost]

This guy's 19. If he supposedly molested Misty when she was "a child", how old would he have been?

Oh yeah, did you notice what your cursor (arrow) does on this page?

Mine is just a plain arrow. What does yours do???

:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Mine is just a plain arrow. What does yours do???

:confused:

Are you sure it's just a plain arrow? I didn't notice it at first.... :wink:

[emdragon]

I believe it was LE who had not been called to the house. IIRC, DCF had been called.

DCF had contact with the family nothing I have seen says it was since they moved into the current trailer.

Is it new information that the mattress was an air mattress? Because I just heard mattress on the floor which isn't that unusual. But then neither is an air mattress my daughter used one for a couple of years when she first moved out.

And people need to remember that until Misti Ron's mother was watching the kids and she said on NG the other night that she and her mother were close by if Misti needed help with the kids.

I was going to say last night about the cousin messing with her and all the indignation that she would have let him anywhere around the kids that we don't know the age of the cousin and they could have been close in age and he tried to get lucky rather than she was little and he was old and he tried to get off.... or they were little and he tried to play Doctor.

[VC2]

And, I agree with you. As much as it seems that the GM loves these children, she would be saying that she believes that Misty loved these children and took good care of them if she did not believe it.

I think it was the maternal GM who called dcf those times. Remember at the beginning she seemed really angry with Ron over custody etc. and said a lot of negative things. there really seemed to be a dislike of him, and its not abnormal that a grandparent makes life a little...difficult..when angry bc custody is awarded to one or the other. In her favor she did apologize for her comments but it was pretty clear there was not a great relationship between her and ron.

imo