Feb-18 - #1

[JD1974]

Thought I would make a new thread. I realized I was posting on yesterdays thread :/ Anyway even I am now curious about Misty and what went on that night. I see Misty did have someone looking in on her with the kids and if she left that night, I don't think this is shades of anyone or that it just happened on a night she happened to be out. If she was out, this wasn't the first time, maybe someone else knew she liked to go out?

[aproudmom]

I posted this on the other thread right before this one was opened.

Hi everyone had to read up took awhile for one I saw alot of people ask about the women in the video with misty that is her mother if you go to her siblings myspace pages she is in alot of the photos. Nancy Grace had RC mother on the phone and looking at Mistys myspace she has not signed on since 9/11/08 and only has 2 pics and says single and no friends so since his mom said they had been togather for 5 or 6 months she must have made that right before her and RC started dating. I just don't get it I feel if she took a poly they would be allowed to say yes they passed it so leave them alone she knows something or feels guilty about something IMO. I am so shocked they have not lawyered up yet and stopped talking. Someone needs to tell her to shut up cause she is making herself look guilty when she may know nothing just not good talking to the press.. dang to bad Jose B is having a belly ache maybe he would help her out..had to say it sorry

Have a safe and wonderful day to all of you

[Katt2]

Thought I would make a new thread. I realized I was posting on yesterdays thread :/ Anyway even I am now curious about Misty and what went on that night. I see Misty did have someone looking in on her with the kids and if she left that night, I don't think this is shades of anyone or that it just happened on a night she happened to be out. If she was out, this wasn't the first time, maybe someone else knew she liked to go out?

It could be possible that if she were out someplace that someone saw her out and knew those children might be home alone and took the opportunity. But having said that and seeing Ron's temper, it seems unlikely that she would risk being seen out and have it get back to Ron. I guess it is more likely that someone knew the routine of that household.

[PuffDragon]

Thought I would make a new thread. I realized I was posting on yesterdays thread :/ Anyway even I am now curious about Misty and what went on that night. I see Misty did have someone looking in on her with the kids and if she left that night, I don't think this is shades of anyone or that it just happened on a night she happened to be out. If she was out, this wasn't the first time, maybe someone else knew she liked to go out?

Thanks for the new thread. I don't like to post on the end of an old one.

I thought that whole thing about sending someone to drop off clothes and check the kids was just weird. Until yesterday there wasn't a peep about anybody except Misty's brother and his kids having been to the house that evening, and in fact Misty insisted they were the only visitors. Then suddenly Ron's mother said that she sent relatives over there? Was she making up a story to try to make Misty look better or she was concerned enough about the situation that she customarily had the family checked on? And why didn't anybody say anything about it earlier? Surely at least LE will be able to verify that story. Oh, but maybe not, if Momma said, "I want you to tell The Law that you were there that night and everything was fine and Misty was there getting the kids ready for bed or it's going to look really bad for Ron." They'd pretty much have to say that, true or not.

[PuffDragon]

I posted this on the other thread right before this one was opened.

Hi everyone had to read up took awhile for one I saw alot of people ask about the women in the video with misty that is her mother if you go to her siblings myspace pages she is in alot of the photos. Nancy Grace had RC mother on the phone and looking at Mistys myspace she has not signed on since 9/11/08 and only has 2 pics and says single and no friends so since his mom said they had been togather for 5 or 6 months she must have made that right before her and RC started dating. I just don't get it I feel if she took a poly they would be allowed to say yes they passed it so leave them alone she knows something or feels guilty about something IMO. I am so shocked they have not lawyered up yet and stopped talking. Someone needs to tell her to shut up cause she is making herself look guilty when she may know nothing just not good talking to the press.. dang to bad Jose B is having a belly ache maybe he would help her out..had to say it sorry

Have a safe and wonderful day to all of you

You have to have money to lawyer up. The As have used up all the free lawyering available in the area.

[JD1974]

Thanks for the new thread. I don't like to post on the end of an old one.

I thought that whole thing about sending someone to drop off clothes and check the kids was just weird. Until yesterday there wasn't a peep about anybody except Misty's brother and his kids having been to the house that evening, and in fact Misty insisted they were the only visitors. Then suddenly Ron's mother said that she sent relatives over there? Was she making up a story to try to make Misty look better or she was concerned enough about the situation that she customarily had the family checked on? And why didn't anybody say anything about it earlier? Surely at least LE will be able to verify that story. Oh, but maybe not, if Momma said, "I want you to tell The Law that you were there that night and everything was fine and Misty was there getting the kids ready for bed or it's going to look really bad for Ron." They'd pretty much have to say that, true or not.


I guess it also depends on what her definition of looking in on them means..no offense to her at all but is she talking about having someone just literally drive by the house?

[Armchairdet]

Good morning.

Wow, it seems so chancy for Misty to go out at night. I mean, two children that are the age where they can speak IMO (I don't like to post the ages I read of the children because there is so much dispute) and at least one who is afraid of the dark, or so I read IMO. If Haleigh had had a nightmare or something and woke up alone, I think that would come up in conversation with her dad. That is if she didn't call anyone. Because imo a child her age may be able to call grandma or someone. I don't see Misty getting away with going out on a regular basis. Unless she just figured they wouldn't wake up, and if they did she would cross that bridge when she got there. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Good morning.

Wow, it seems so chancy for Misty to go out at night. I mean, two children that are the age where they can speak IMO (I don't like to post the ages I read of the children because there is so much dispute) and at least one who is afraid of the dark, or so I read IMO. If Haleigh had had a nightmare or something and woke up alone, I think that would come up in conversation with her dad. That is if she didn't call anyone. Because imo a child her age may be able to call grandma or someone. I don't see Misty getting away with going out on a regular basis. Unless she just figured they wouldn't wake up, and if they did she would cross that bridge when she got there. IMO

I hear ya. Well....so far.....it's just a tip. No one can be certain she left that night until we hear it from LE.

[JD1974]

I hear ya. Well....so far.....it's just a tip. No one can be certain she left that night until we hear it from LE.


It is one tip, actually makes me wonder who called it in...if you get my meaning?

[SavannahStar]

It is one tip, actually makes me wonder who called it in...if you get my meaning?

Yes, I absolutely do.

BBL.

[kOOkie1]

I would just think if you have nothing to hide or feel guilty over then why would you have to lie or leave anything out in those crucial moments. I go back and forth about her maturity and I do feel Ron has had her intimidated . You would think young adults would understand about the dangers out there and the responsibility of watching young children now a days. I think both of them like to party and I don't think its a far reach to think she left the house for awhile thinking all would be okay and she would come in before he got in from work. I don't know..its all been very confusing and very sad that all this time has passed already. I pray LE has some of it figured out-



(jmo)

[JD1974]

I read the report about DCF being called about abuse within the last year...that would mean Crystal and Ron were not together yet I see she has taken parenting classes? The article states that it takes children away that are abused, yet the chldren remained in Ron's home, for less serious offenses the parent/s have to take classes...is this trying to say they were actually called on Crystal?

[bluwaters]

Good Morning

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

I am praying that Haleigh is found today.

[JD1974]

Good Morning

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

I am praying that Haleigh is found today.

Morning blu thanks for all of the links you posted this morning!

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks for the new thread. I don't like to post on the end of an old one.

I thought that whole thing about sending someone to drop off clothes and check the kids was just weird. Until yesterday there wasn't a peep about anybody except Misty's brother and his kids having been to the house that evening, and in fact Misty insisted they were the only visitors. Then suddenly Ron's mother said that she sent relatives over there? Was she making up a story to try to make Misty look better or she was concerned enough about the situation that she customarily had the family checked on? And why didn't anybody say anything about it earlier? Surely at least LE will be able to verify that story. Oh, but maybe not, if Momma said, "I want you to tell The Law that you were there that night and everything was fine and Misty was there getting the kids ready for bed or it's going to look really bad for Ron." They'd pretty much have to say that, true or not.

IMO, since Ron's mother works for the Sheriff's Dept, she's maybe heard "buzz" or "rumblings" about what was found and what was not found. Sounds like they might have found something of this "family member" in the house so she's getting out in front of it. It could be that all evidence so far leads back to the house, so she is "explaining" or offering an innocent explanation for that person being at the house.

ITA, last night was the FIRST we heard about her getting somebody to go check on the children and drop off clothes.

Last night was the first we heard that Ron had only been working the "night shift" about 5 or 6 weeks.

Police have yet to confirm anybody's alibi, or whether anyone has passed a LDT, or whether Haleigh was in school that Monday.

It seems every time somebody in the family goes on TV and makes certain assertions, the police are re-interviewing them. They (LE) might be learning as much from the TV interviews as we are.

IMO, Ron's mom appears to be shoring up alibis or patching holes in some.

Again, IMO.

[trich]

I would just think if you have nothing to hide or feel guilty over then why would you have to lie or leave anything out in those crucial moments. I go back and forth about her maturity and I do feel Ron has had her intimidated . You would think young adults would understand about the dangers out there and the responsibility of watching young children now a days. I think both of them like to party and I don't think its a far reach to think she left the house for awhile thinking all would be okay and she would come in before he got in from work. I don't know..its all been very confusing and very sad that all this time has passed already. I pray LE has some of it figured out-



(jmo)




Again I have to say I think Misty is afraid of Ron....didn't I read where he has some domestic abuse allegations?
He certainly has showed his temper and his potty mouth from day one.
Misty is a 17 year old that should be in HS enjoying her teenage years and instead she is living with a man older then her with 2 kids.
She is being used by him as chief cook and bottle washer and much more IMO.
I do believe she left the kids for a time and someone came and got Haleigh. Or even though the child was suppose to be afraid of the dark she just woke up and wandered off.
I am sure the younger boy might have something to add to this situation.
I wonder if LE has been able to talk with him?

[bluwaters]

Morning blu thanks for all of the links you posted this morning!
YW - but there isn't really much new.
I did notice that MyFoxOrlando reported that LE had received 1,200 tips that Misty was not home that night. I believe they have 1,200 tips total, and at least one of those tips claims Misty went out.

[aproudmom]

You have to have money to lawyer up. The As have used up all the free lawyering available in the area.

Hope I did this right anyway I agree about the Anthonys but some lawyer will step in real soon just like Jose B did. GA and CA had no idea how Casey got a lawyer or how she heard of him they didn't hire him it is all about getting thier names out there IMO.

[Armchairdet]

YW - but there isn't really much new.
I did notice that MyFoxOrlando reported that LE had received 1,200 tips that Misty was not home that night. I believe they have 1,200 tips total, and at least one of those tips claims Misty went out.

Thanks for clarifying. I was just about to post, if 1200 people claimed Misty went out that night I would definatly have serious doubts about the claims. But 1200 total tips makes more sense.

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks for clarifying. I was just about to post, if 1200 people claimed Misty went out that night I would definatly have serious doubts about the claims. But 1200 total tips makes more sense.

And for a whole week they only had 500 tips. Then in one day it jumps to 1200.

That's interesting to me. It kind of coincides with Ron's "self proclaimed exile" from the media. Kind of.

FWIW, I don't think Misty is the only person who's afraid of Ron.

But that's just my opinion.

[SavannahStar]

Thanks for clarifying. I was just about to post, if 1200 people claimed Misty went out that night I would definatly have serious doubts about the claims. But 1200 total tips makes more sense.

I've seen it reported as 1200 tips total, one about Misty going out that night.

[playnice]

I've seen it reported as 1200 tips total, one about Misty going out that night.

It would really take stretching the imagination to believe 1200 people saw her out that night and called in tips.:laugh:

[Armchairdet]

It would really take stretching the imagination to believe 1200 people saw her out that night and called in tips.:laugh:

That would have been some party.

[ortiga]

It would really take stretching the imagination to believe 1200 people saw her out that night and called in tips.:laugh:

Seems like every day we have a reminder that the media causes much of the confusion.

[kitty1182]

Good morining...
Praying hard she will be found today.......

[SavannahStar]

Seems like every day we have a reminder that the media causes much of the confusion.


I'll drink to that!

Coffee! :wink:

[Armchairdet]

Yup. And if it is true Misty left the kids that night, and only ONE PERSON was in her company to know this, wonder if it is a male or female she was kickin it with.


I think a female imo. I would imagine it would be a young woman, or one without kids because it seems odd for a woman not to discourage her leaving such young children alone. So the woman herself would probably be young. That is assuming whoever she was with IF the tip is true, was someone she knew, and knew about her living arrangements.

As far as her being with a man. I don't see it. IMO

[VC2]

Good morning.

Wow, it seems so chancy for Misty to go out at night. I mean, two children that are the age where they can speak IMO (I don't like to post the ages I read of the children because there is so much dispute) and at least one who is afraid of the dark, or so I read IMO. If Haleigh had had a nightmare or something and woke up alone, I think that would come up in conversation with her dad. That is if she didn't call anyone. Because imo a child her age may be able to call grandma or someone. I don't see Misty getting away with going out on a regular basis. Unless she just figured they wouldn't wake up, and if they did she would cross that bridge when she got there. IMO

i really dont think she did. It has been speculated on blogs and boards everwhere, just watch someone have read it and called it in as a tip or something.

Teens sleep like the dead, and as any young mom will tell you, spending a day with little ones is exhausting...cooking, cleaning etc. I find it perfectly believable she heard nothing but what i do think happened is that she subconsciously heard something and that is why she woke up when she did to go to br. I had it happen last night, got up to go to the can and then realized that the crash i dreamed about was me hearing the cats knock a jar of pennies off the counter - no lid so took a while to gather them up :sleep:

i just hope they get answers and soon bc i think misty is being blamed for many things that she might not have done and how horrible if she is not involved but has to go through life suspected of killing haighleigh or helping it happen

imo

[VC2]

did they say where they found the pink shirt? Was it one of those pieces of evidence they found during the car checks, or in the woods somewhere?

[crymeariver2006]

Has anyone in the family spoken out about the pink shirt fiasco?

Misty must have been pretty specific with LE on what the shirt looks likes. As I imagine little girls have many pink shirts but LE says they have the one in question.

Yes, Ron's mother said on NG last night that the kidnapper had taken the shirt off of Haleigh before he took her out of the house. (Paraphrasing 'cause I don't have the transcript from NG).

That tells me it is the same shirt that Misty claims Haleigh was wearing and Haleigh didn't own multiple pink shirts.

JMO

[PuffDragon]

I guess it also depends on what her definition of looking in on them means..no offense to her at all but is she talking about having someone just literally drive by the house?

She said they left some clothes.

[crymeariver2006]

did they say where they found the pink shirt? Was it one of those pieces of evidence they found during the car checks, or in the woods somewhere?

They didn't say. They also didn't say what kind of condition it was in (whether it was torn, cut, dirty....).

Since they changed the flyer and said that Haleigh wasn't wearing the pink shirt after all, IMO they found it in the house.

JMO

[PuffDragon]

Good morning.

Wow, it seems so chancy for Misty to go out at night. I mean, two children that are the age where they can speak IMO (I don't like to post the ages I read of the children because there is so much dispute) and at least one who is afraid of the dark, or so I read IMO. If Haleigh had had a nightmare or something and woke up alone, I think that would come up in conversation with her dad. That is if she didn't call anyone. Because imo a child her age may be able to call grandma or someone. I don't see Misty getting away with going out on a regular basis. Unless she just figured they wouldn't wake up, and if they did she would cross that bridge when she got there. IMO

It seems chancy to me because suppose Ron went home early without warning? Maybe he gets sick or the night's work gets done early or something and he goes home. He wouldn't call first because he would 'know' that Misty was sleeping. Then he would get home and Misty wouldn't be there and the door would be open??? If he's half as protective of his children as his mother says, he would kill Misty on the spot. I can't see her taking that risk.

[Armchairdet]

She said they left some clothes.


Which answers two questions. One, whether or not Misty was gone, at least at the time the clothing was being delivered. Also, if the clothes were for the kids, it tells us how confusing it would be for Misty to identify what Haleigh was wearing, because she was not familiar with all the clothing. Usually a kid Haleighs age would want to try on one of the new shirts etc. IMO

[kOOkie1]

Has anyone in the family spoken out about the pink shirt fiasco?

Misty must have been pretty specific with LE on what the shirt looks likes. As I imagine little girls have many pink shirts but LE says they have the one in question.

I don't think the family has mentioned the pink shirt other than saying LE has the shirt..I thought I heard last night that it was in the home? Maybe Misty was wrong about which pink shirt Haleigh was wearing:confused:

[PuffDragon]

IMO, since Ron's mother works for the Sheriff's Dept, she's maybe heard "buzz" or "rumblings" about what was found and what was not found. Sounds like they might have found something of this "family member" in the house so she's getting out in front of it. It could be that all evidence so far leads back to the house, so she is "explaining" or offering an innocent explanation for that person being at the house.

<Snipped to address>


Makes sense to me. I knew but had forgotten about her connection to the Sheriff's Dept. Makes even more sense with that in mind.

[iluvmua]

If it is proven that Misty was out of the house for the night couldn't LE charge her with Child Neglect?

[PuffDragon]

I'll drink to that!

Coffee! :wink:

Tea! I need it, I've been posting nonsense this morning.

I think that particular news release should be on a banner down the side of the pages, to remind of just that!

[psbperu]

IMO, since Ron's mother works for the Sheriff's Dept, she's maybe heard "buzz" or "rumblings" about what was found and what was not found. Sounds like they might have found something of this "family member" in the house so she's getting out in front of it. It could be that all evidence so far leads back to the house, so she is "explaining" or offering an innocent explanation for that person being at the house.

ITA, last night was the FIRST we heard about her getting somebody to go check on the children and drop off clothes.

Last night was the first we heard that Ron had only been working the "night shift" about 5 or 6 weeks.

Police have yet to confirm anybody's alibi, or whether anyone has passed a LDT, or whether Haleigh was in school that Monday.

It seems every time somebody in the family goes on TV and makes certain assertions, the police are re-interviewing them. They (LE) might be learning as much from the TV interviews as we are.

IMO, Ron's mom appears to be shoring up alibis or patching holes in some.

Again, IMO.


Since Ron's mother works for the Sherrif's dept. ... wouldn't she have given Ron & Misty some good advice as to what to say to the press etc.

As the paternal grandmother she is emotionally involved so who knows?

If you have nothing to hide & whatever happened is the truth it cannot come back to haunt you.

[Keno]

IMO, Ron's mom appears to be shoring up alibis or patching holes in some.

Again, IMO.

That's what I think as well. She sure went on and on about how much Misty loved the children and was responsible. Like I said in my post over on other thread- what is she going to say? She's a rotten person and irresponsible? That would surely make Ron look bad.

[PuffDragon]

Which answers two questions. One, whether or not Misty was gone, at least at the time the clothing was being delivered. Also, if the clothes were for the kids, it tells us how confusing it would be for Misty to identify what Haleigh was wearing, because she was not familiar with all the clothing. Usually a kid Haleighs age would want to try on one of the new shirts etc. IMO

None of that story makes any sense to me. I want to hear it from whoever dropped off the clothes. What did they drop off? Did they go in the house? Who was there and where were they? Was the washer running? How long were they there?

Not believing it yet.

[daHawg]

Yes, Ron's mother said on NG last night that the kidnapper had taken the shirt off of Haleigh before he took her out of the house. (Paraphrasing 'cause I don't have the transcript from NG).

That tells me it is the same shirt that Misty claims Haleigh was wearing and Haleigh didn't own multiple pink shirts.

JMO
Here's the part of that from the transcripts.

GRACE: ... the tip is being explored. Also, Ms. Neves, while I`ve got you on the phone -- with me is the paternal grandmother of little Haleigh, who goes missing out of her own bed -- Ms. Neves, what about the pink T-shirt she was reported to be wearing the night she goes missing by Misty? Now we find out the police have that pink T-shirt. She wasn`t wearing it.

NEVES: We still say she was wearing it when she was put in bed.

GRACE: OK. So how did it reappear?

NEVES: I cannot answer that. I was not there when someone came in and took her. I don`t know.

GRACE: OK. Do you have any idea how they -- where they found the pink T-shirt?

NEVES: No, ma`am.

GRACE: OK. Ms. Neves, has anyone gone through her clothes to determine what`s missing, what she may be wearing, as a way to help find the little girl?

NEVES: That home is now considered a crime scene. No one is allowed in there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

[ortiga]

I'll drink to that!

Coffee! :wink:

As we speak!

[crymeariver2006]

Here's what Ron's mother said on NG last night:

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


She doesn't say what time this was or who this person is. It also is not proof that Misty was at the home after this person left.

NEVES: I do believe she was at home. I believe she`s a very responsible girl. I believe -- like I say, I had family members there that night, dropping off clothes, and so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that.


Again, she makes mention of this unknown person. The unknown person can only say that Misty was there when they were dropping off the clothes. No one can say definitively whether Misty was there all night.

NEVES: We still say she was wearing it when she was put in bed.


This is in reference to the pink shirt. IOW, "that's our story and we're sticking to it" (IMO)

TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There is no drug history that I know of. And I would like to say that Misty has cried. The reason that Misty calls Haleigh, my daughter, my daughter, should be evident. I mean, Misty loved those children like they were her own.


Interesting. Past tense. (May not mean anything, but Misty has spoken of Haleigh in the past tense also.)

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.



I thought Ron picked her up from the bus stop?

Ron's mother also confirms that Haleigh "has been sick a lot" and doesn't deny that she has missed a lot of school.

Like I say, every time the family goes on TV (IMO), the police are getting more and more details that I don't believe they were told before.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

[ortiga]

It is one tip, actually makes me wonder who called it in...if you get my meaning?


To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone who hangs on message boards.

[crymeariver2006]

Here's the part of that from the transcripts.

GRACE: ... the tip is being explored. Also, Ms. Neves, while I`ve got you on the phone -- with me is the paternal grandmother of little Haleigh, who goes missing out of her own bed -- Ms. Neves, what about the pink T-shirt she was reported to be wearing the night she goes missing by Misty? Now we find out the police have that pink T-shirt. She wasn`t wearing it.

NEVES: We still say she was wearing it when she was put in bed.

GRACE: OK. So how did it reappear?

NEVES: I cannot answer that. I was not there when someone came in and took her. I don`t know.

GRACE: OK. Do you have any idea how they -- where they found the pink T-shirt?

NEVES: No, ma`am.

GRACE: OK. Ms. Neves, has anyone gone through her clothes to determine what`s missing, what she may be wearing, as a way to help find the little girl?

NEVES: That home is now considered a crime scene. No one is allowed in there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html


I noticed that her part about whoever took Haleigh removed the shirt is not in the transcript. I don't believe I was the only one who heard her say that. I was looking for that particular part, but as I got to reading so much more jumped out at me.

[daHawg]

Here's what Ron's mother said on NG last night:



She doesn't say what time this was or who this person is. It also is not proof that Misty was at the home after this person left.



Again, she makes mention of this unknown person. The unknown person can only say that Misty was there when they were dropping off the clothes. No one can say definitively whether Misty was there all night.



This is in reference to the pink shirt. IOW, "that's our story and we're sticking to it" (IMO)



Interesting. Past tense. (May not mean anything, but Misty has spoken of Haleigh in the past tense also.)



I thought Ron picked her up from the bus stop?

Ron's mother also confirms that Haleigh "has been sick a lot" and doesn't deny that she has missed a lot of school.

Like I say, every time the family goes on TV (IMO), the police are getting more and more details that I don't believe they were told before.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

That part about picking her up at the bus stop last night she didn't say "I" she said "he" and I took that to mean Ron picked her up. I was listening closely to that because I wanted to see what Grandma had to say. I think the transcript re: that is typed wrong. I will look on utube to see if I can find the show from last night. BRB

[Armchairdet]

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone who hangs on message boards.

Well, it won't be hard for LE to disregard once they are sure it is not a valid tip. (For example if the person was nowhere in the area that night) They should check out every single tip because there is a missing little girl here. But, having such a tip made public too soon does not help anyone.

I M O

[mustangtoni]

Live presser at 9:30am

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html

[crymeariver2006]

That part about picking her up at the bus stop last night she didn't say "I" she said "he" and I took that to mean Ron picked her up. I was listening closely to that because I wanted to see what Grandma had to say. I think the transcript re: that is typed wrong. I will look on utube to see if I can find the show from last night. BRB

That's why they have the disclaimer

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.



LOL

I didn't even hear the part about the school bus, but I could have sworn she said something about whoever took Haleigh removed the pink shirt!

But I will stand to be corrected!

[Themis]

Thought I would make a new thread. I realized I was posting on yesterdays thread

Snipped to save space:

Thanks so much for the heads up on the new thread.

[daHawg]

That's why they have the disclaimer



LOL

I didn't even hear the part about the school bus, but I could have sworn she said something about whoever took Haleigh removed the pink shirt!

But I will stand to be corrected!
LOL, When I read your post on that I thought that too at first, there was so much talking over each other more Nancy Grace cutting her off near the end of a statement than anything that I had to watch her show twice last night to really listen to the grandmother. If the grandmother does work for the Sheriff's office it seems strange to me that she has NO information at all or she is good at keeping her mouth shut. Not sure which. I just have a feeling of "circling the wagons" with her re: Misty. Something isn't right there.

[crymeariver2006]

Live presser at 9:30am

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html

I only caught the last part. Won't say when or where the pink shirt was found. Somebody asked about Ron's alibi in regards to was he at work and did that check out, said Yes it did.

[IlliniFan]

Live presser at 9:30am

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.html

Thank-you

For some reason the volume on my laptop was terrible. However, I thought the last question was concerning ron's alibi about being at work. I believe the answer was yes, he was at work.

Anyone able to hear the whole thing???

[Armchairdet]

Yes he was at work.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think it's significant that LE reported the tip of misty possibly not being in the trailer the entire night. That was done to hopefully get other info from the public, imo.

I think the pink shirt being found in that trailer is troublesome, especially in light of the story about the bedwetting and washing of the blanket.

[breeze53]

I only caught the last part. Won't say when or where the pink shirt was found. Somebody asked about Ron's alibi in regards to was he at work and did that check out, said Yes it did.

I woke up at 230 am and was thinking about this does anyone know or can they find out if they had a landline phone in there house because Misty gave the same cell number as being hers as the dad did in the police report. Did she even have a phone to call 911 or Ron at 3 am? I dont see how she could have her own cell phone with no job and i dont see him getting her one either. I know she said she was calling him when he pulled up he even said that but this could be a red flag if she didnt have a phone, if she had one why didnt she put her number on the police report. Gotta run out for a few hope we find some good news today.

[crymeariver2006]

Thank-you

For some reason the volume on my laptop was terrible. However, I thought the last question was concerning ron's alibi about being at work. I believe the answer was yes, he was at work.

Anyone able to hear the whole thing???

I only heard the last part. And I clicked on the link before 9:30. It was like by the time the video started, the pc was wrapping up.

:shrug:

[i_pickle]

Live presser at 9:30am

http://www.wftv.com/video/18738968/index.htmlFor some reason I can't get the latest videos on this site. :confused:

The last one I see is about Casey Anthony.

Did they say anything new in the presser?

[kitty1182]

If it is proven that Misty was out of the house for the night couldn't LE charge her with Child Neglect?

I believe so..If she was, Ron is not going to be a happy camper!

[Armchairdet]

I woke up at 230 am and was thinking about this does anyone know or can they find out if they had a landline phone in there house because Misty gave the same cell number as being hers as the dad did in the police report. Did she even have a phone to call 911 or Ron at 3 am? I dont see how she could have her own cell phone with no job and i dont see him getting her one either. I know she said she was calling him when he pulled up he even said that but this could be a red flag if she didnt have a phone, if she had one why didnt she put her number on the police report. Gotta run out for a few hope we find some good news today.



She called Ron, so she had a phone of some sort. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Interesting. Past tense. (May not mean anything, but Misty has spoken of Haleigh in the past tense also.)



*snipped*

I never, ever read anything into use of past tense. Gosh I forget the exact post I read last night.....don't have time to search....but someone mentioned one of the parents in a well-known case using the past tense about their child right away....might have been Mark Klass but don't hold me to it.

It seems like that is always brought up in cases, on boards, but I just don't put any weight at all to it.

[alisa31235]

I think it's significant that LE reported the tip of misty possibly not being in the trailer the entire night. That was done to hopefully get other info from the public, imo.

I think the pink shirt being found in that trailer is troublesome, especially in light of the story about the bedwetting and washing of the blanket.

i am curious about the pink shirt i would think ron and misty would have turned on all the lights in the house frantically searching for haleigh wonder why they didnt see the pink shirt and realize she wasnt wearing what misty put on her and report that at first IMO that is kind of odd

[destiny1]

I believe we will be seeing an arrest very soon.

The more these family members speak, the more the story changes, and the more questions arise as to what Misty (and Ron) were doing earlier on the day before the "abduction".


This is now IMO a recovery situation, and an arrest will be made sooner than later.


This is my opinion based on everything that I have observed.

[SavannahStar]

She doesn't say what time this was or who this person is. It also is not proof that Misty was at the home after this person left.


Again, she makes mention of this unknown person. The unknown person can only say that Misty was there when they were dropping off the clothes. No one can say definitively whether Misty was there all night.



*snipped*

No, no one can say she was definitely there. But I don't believe the mother is trying to give "proof"....she clearly says:

so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that

And that she doesn't believe she left after that.

IOW, she doesn't say, "I KNOW Misty was there all night."

[Keno]

That is over the top, IMO. Even the quote I seen somewhere from Misti seemed extreme. She loves the kids like they're her own. Ha? Coming from a 17 yo who's known them for all of 6 months? I doubt it!

It is over the top ms - you are right. The children were not her own-she was a babysitter more less. Why are they protecting her? You would think they would do everything possible to help LE with finding Haleigh for gosh sakes. They do not want Ron to look bad as a parent for leaving his children in her care in my opinion. Why couldn't grandparents help out with caring for the kids at night? I know that means squat because if a perpetrator wants the child, it makes no difference where the child is staying unless of course, doors are propped open and babysitter decides to leave for a bit!!! Giving the perp the perfect opportunity to getting Haleigh-

My opinion only!

[summer4meplz]

Yes, Ron's mother said on NG last night that the kidnapper had taken the shirt off of Haleigh before he took her out of the house. (Paraphrasing 'cause I don't have the transcript from NG).

That tells me it is the same shirt that Misty claims Haleigh was wearing and Haleigh didn't own multiple pink shirts.

JMO


my question is....how did ron's mother KNOW that the kidnapper had taken the shirt off of Haleigh.....bless her little heart....

[crymeariver2006]

She called Ron, so she had a phone of some sort. IMO

She says she called Ron.

Whose phone was used to call 911?

[Armchairdet]

She says she called Ron.

Whose phone was used to call 911?

And he says he decided not to answer. Boy if the police didn't even check that out that is sad.

I imagine there was a phone. Much more likely a person says they called someone, and that person says they did not answer the phone, than some vast conspiracy and nobody realizes there is no phone. IMO

[tybek]

I think it's significant that LE reported the tip of misty possibly not being in the trailer the entire night. That was done to hopefully get other info from the public, imo.

I think the pink shirt being found in that trailer is troublesome, especially in light of the story about the bedwetting and washing of the blanket.


Regina-what is your concern about the story of bedwetting & washing of blanket combined with the shirt? How do you think it fits in? TIA

[summer4meplz]

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone who hangs on message boards.


are you suggesting that someone from a message board would phone in a false tip? what would be the motive ?

[Armchairdet]

are you suggesting that someone from a message board would phone in a false tip? what would be the motive ?

I could see it. Someone on a message board has more concern shall I say about the case than your average person. That is to say they spend more time learning the details rather than just catching it on the news. Since there are no background checks to be reading a message board, I could see someone calling in a 'tip'.

[tybek]

are you suggesting that someone from a message board would phone in a false tip? what would be the motive ?
Well, occassionally a kooky troll does show up with only wanting to cause trouble...but I'd certainly hope they would never actually interfere with an investigation. It is one thing to sit at home on a computer and cause trouble on a message board (even going as far as claiming to be involved or have insider info. when one doesn't), but it is entirely another thing to actively interfere with police work by calling in a false tip. There could be serious legal consequences for the later...

[i_pickle]

are you suggesting that someone from a message board would phone in a false tip? what would be the motive ?I was going to ask if that was a confession. :wink:

[tybek]

That is over the top, IMO. Even the quote I seen somewhere from Misti seemed extreme. She loves the kids like they're her own. Ha? Coming from a 17 yo who's known them for all of 6 months? I doubt it!

I don't see it as over the top. She is 17 and this could very well be what she believes. Teen girls can be very emotional...can't anyone here remember being in teen love and thinking it was deep and forever and ever...and that the world was going to end when the 3 month "forever and ever love" was over? Add in that she may not be a very emotionally mature teen, that she may not have a stable family, and the emotions can be unrealistic to the circumstances...thus she may very well be believing every word she says. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

That is over the top, IMO. Even the quote I seen somewhere from Misti seemed extreme. She loves the kids like they're her own. Ha? Coming from a 17 yo who's known them for all of 6 months? I doubt it!

Don't ask me. I'm just coming to grips with an actual 17 year old that cleans house and takes out the trash.

(Where did I go wrong? :biggrin:)

[tybek]

*snipped*

I never, ever read anything into use of past tense. Gosh I forget the exact post I read last night.....don't have time to search....but someone mentioned one of the parents in a well-known case using the past tense about their child right away....might have been Mark Klass but don't hold me to it.

It seems like that is always brought up in cases, on boards, but I just don't put any weight at all to it.

It was my post...Ed Smart referred to Elizabeth in past tense right after she was missing...something like "Elizabeth was much a beautiful child"... The media jumped all over it and Fox News asked Marc Klaas about it in an interview (i.e. wasn't it incriminating or odd...). Marc said no, it wasn't. He said you shouldn't read anything into every word parents say when their is missing, what tense the use or how they "act", whether they cry, etc...because their frame of mind is so out of it. He said it wasn't fair to do so.

[SavannahStar]

It was my post...Ed Smart referred to Elizabeth in past tense right after she was missing...something like "Elizabeth was much a beautiful child"... The media jumped all over it and Fox News asked Marc Klaas about it in an interview (i.e. wasn't it incriminating or odd...). Marc said no, it wasn't. He said you shouldn't read anything into every word parents say when their is missing, what tense the use or how they "act", whether they cry, etc...because their frame of mind is so out of it. He said it wasn't fair to do so.

Oh, your post! Well thanks for that. So many seem to jump on it whenever past tense is used, in any case.....I just don't see it myself as anything significant.

[CANDYKISSES]

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone who hangs on message boards.

No kidding, I think after seeing the OCSD's tip sheets some peeps get bored, decide to call LE and start spouting their dreams and thoughts off.

I will admit to thinking that possibly Misty was sneaking out for a smoke and perhaps leaving the door propped open, but IT NEVER crossed my mind she might leave the property and do so. JMO tho.

I still don't find anything credible there supporting the allegation other than a tip that may or may not be credible. I'll wait to further speculate on that as all parties involved and knowing Misty seem to believe she loves those children and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. :sad:

[SavannahStar]

I don't see it as over the top. She is 17 and this could very well be what she believes. Teen girls can be very emotional...can't anyone here remember being in teen love and thinking it was deep and forever and ever...and that the world was going to end when the 3 month "forever and ever love" was over? Add in that she may not be a very emotionally mature teen, that she may not have a stable family, and the emotions can be unrealistic to the circumstances...thus she may very well be believing every word she says. JMO

I agree with that also. Very much so!

[Regina.Lampert]

i am curious about the pink shirt i would think ron and misty would have turned on all the lights in the house frantically searching for haleigh wonder why they didnt see the pink shirt and realize she wasnt wearing what misty put on her and report that at first IMO that is kind of odd

I wonder if the pink shirt was found in the washing machine or dryer?

[CANDYKISSES]

Don't ask me. I'm just coming to grips with an actual 17 year old that cleans house and takes out the trash.

(Where did I go wrong? :biggrin:)

It's all in the JEANS, errr I mean GENES....:biggrin:

[P Kay]

Don't ask me. I'm just coming to grips with an actual 17 year old that cleans house and takes out the trash.

(Where did I go wrong? :biggrin:)


LOL! I was thinking the same thing about mine

[ortiga]

Well, it won't be hard for LE to disregard once they are sure it is not a valid tip. (For example if the person was nowhere in the area that night) They should check out every single tip because there is a missing little girl here. But, having such a tip made public too soon does not help anyone.

I M O


Agreed. They have to check out every tip, and of course tipsters will be ruled out if they aren't even from the area. Given the example of the attitude of the maternal grandmother at the beginning, we can't rule out anyone from relating a tip like this.

Here is a link to a story of this am. Note the headline says "tipsters" but the story says "a tip". And, when did Putnam County Sheriff's investigators say that? Was it a news release? If so, I missed it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809Tipsters_say_girlfriends_story_not_true

[tybek]

Oh, your post! Well thanks for that. So many seem to jump on it whenever past tense is used, in any case.....I just don't see it myself as anything significant.

Specifically regarding the past tense, Klaas said the parents mind is racing back and forth to and from the worst case scenario, and when they are thinking the worst, they can easily use past tense. He said if you ever had a missing child, you would understand...

I have a lot of respect for what Marc Klaas says.

[Kelly3820]

We don't really know what LE have as evidence but it boggles the mind that if Misty did this that could not left real good evidence behind. I just see her has a cunning criminal. But LE seem to be unable to verify timeline and that is troubling. I would think that it would be easy for them to know if Haleigh went to school that day and if she got on the bus.

[crymeariver2006]

Oh, your post! Well thanks for that. So many seem to jump on it whenever past tense is used, in any case.....I just don't see it myself as anything significant.

Which is why I posted that it may not mean anything.

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

It's all in the JEANS, errr I mean GENES....:biggrin:

Could be!

:laugh:

[tybek]

It's all in the JEANS, errr I mean GENES....:biggrin:

Drats, I was going to ask where I could get some of these JEANS and make my life simpler, then I saw your correction :laugh:

[Tracian]

I do suspect that the GF was out of the house for a period of time, I can understand why she would be too scared, or feel so guilty, that she would not have told that to LE.

The problem, of course is that is she did leave the house, she does need to tell the whole truth because of the time line into Haliegh's disapearance...as I am sure has been discussed.

I do not think that even if and that is a big IF Misty left the house she thought even for a moment that anything bad would happen, and I really don't think she understands how important it is for her to come forward if she did.

[PuffDragon]

Oh, your post! Well thanks for that. So many seem to jump on it whenever past tense is used, in any case.....I just don't see it myself as anything significant.

I don't either SS. Just last night when I was turning the baby back over to her mother I said, "She was so talkative." And she was (couldn't shut her up as a matter of fact). Is that incriminating?

[ortiga]

No kidding, I think after seeing the OCSD's tip sheets some peeps get bored, decide to call LE and start spouting their dreams and thoughts off.

I will admit to thinking that possibly Misty was sneaking out for a smoke and perhaps leaving the door propped open, but IT NEVER crossed my mind she might leave the property and do so. JMO tho.

I still don't find anything credible there supporting the allegation other than a tip that may or may not be credible. I'll wait to further speculate on that as all parties involved and knowing Misty seem to believe she loves those children and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. :sad:

I still haven't see proof that the police gave out the information that they received that sort of tip. Was there a news release?

[breeze53]

She says she called Ron.

Whose phone was used to call 911?


I wanna know whos phone she used to call Ron. Because if she had her own phone why would she give Rons number in the police report as being her phone number ? Why not the house phone number or her own number. imo this could have been made up them both saying she tryed to call Ron and they relized what they did later. I think her saying she tryed to call Ron was a lie that they have both been caught in.

[SavannahStar]

We don't really know what LE have as evidence but it boggles the mind that if Misty did this that could not left real good evidence behind. I just see her has a cunning criminal. But LE seem to be unable to verify timeline and that is troubling. I would think that it would be easy for them to know if Haleigh went to school that day and if she got on the bus.

I believe it was verified yesterday that she was in school that day. Forget how/where/when I heard it though.

[Tracian]

I believe it was verified yesterday that she was in school that day. Forget how/where/when I heard it though.



Ron's mother was on NG last night. She confirmed that Haliegh was in school that monday and Ron picked her up from the bus stop.

[Armchairdet]

I do suspect that the GF was out of the house for a period of time, I can understand why she would be too scared, or feel so guilty, that she would not have told that to LE.

The problem, of course is that is she did leave the house, she does need to tell the whole truth because of the time line into Haliegh's disapearance...as I am sure has been discussed.

I do not think that even if and that is a big IF Misty left the house she thought even for a moment that anything bad would happen, and I really don't think she understands how important it is for her to come forward if she did.


See I believe that she is at the age where if she believed something she didn't want to share would have no bearing on the outcome of this she may not say anything. Especially if it makes her look bad, or gets her 'in trouble'.

Teenagers have been known to do such things.

I hate to use examples here because sometimes it gets picked up as a fact of a particular case.

But I think anyone that has had a teenager, or remembers being one the may agree that it could happen that way.

Keep in mind too, that this is not your average girl her age. For one thing she is acting the part of someone a little older. I know she use to babysit, but living with a man and his children full time is different. So she is playing grown up. But at the same time, she has some growing up to do, and is not extremely mature. So, IF she for instance left the house for a while and something happened I could see her not telling the truth.

She would be being pulled between being the youngster that wants to hide what she did to keep out of trouble, and being the adult who has it under control and will give out info as she sees the need.

IMO

[i_pickle]

Bottom line, she needs to tell the truth. If she left the house she needs to fess up and take the consequences. Lying, for whatever reason, is impedeing the investigation.

[PinkyPoo]

I don't see it as over the top. She is 17 and this could very well be what she believes. Teen girls can be very emotional...can't anyone here remember being in teen love and thinking it was deep and forever and ever...and that the world was going to end when the 3 month "forever and ever love" was over? Add in that she may not be a very emotionally mature teen, that she may not have a stable family, and the emotions can be unrealistic to the circumstances...thus she may very well be believing every word she says. JMO


I know you got that right! A 17 year old girl can easily think like this. :thumbup:

[ortiga]

Bottom line, she needs to tell the truth. If she left the house she needs to fess up and take the consequences. Lying, for whatever reason, is impedeing the investigation.

But you don't know if she is lying. So how can you say that lying is impeding the investigation?

[3Monkeys]

I still haven't see proof that the police gave out the information that they received that sort of tip. Was there a news release?

IMO, it has been reported that this one one of many tips. It would seem to me that the media would jump on this one for one of two reasons:

a) The LE tipped them off, or,
b) The person(s) who called in the tip, tipped them off.

If it's (b), then the media would have either determined this is a more credible tip than others for some reason, or that it would make better headlines.
If it's (a), then the reason is obvious why it's being reported.

Last night on NG, Marc Klass spoke about this tip

"Now, what law enforcement is going to do, they have 1,200 tips, but they`re not all of equal value. They have hard tips, they have soft tips, and a lot of them might even be a theory. They`re using a piece of soft where something like rapid start to help them prioritize those tips.

And for whatever reason, and I think it was calculated, they let this information out tonight that this little girl may not have been home. And they did that for a very specific reason. They`re probably leaning on her. They probably want to find out exactly what did happen and deal with all of these inconsistencies."

(IMO 'soft where' = software).

I tend to believe this theory, that LE leaked this tip. JMO

[sinagua]

If you can believe the local radio call in shows, the callers are all over Misty. She is not unknown around there.

Many people said that they were aware that she had left Ronald and was on a 3 day binge. He found her and drug her home - and that was the night that Haleigh went missing.

People also think that Haleigh was drug tested by LE and that is why she had to retake the LDT.

Why is the trailer still taped off? What have the police found in there?

All comments moo.

[Deb7]

Has anyone in the family spoken out about the pink shirt fiasco?

Misty must have been pretty specific with LE on what the shirt looks likes. As I imagine little girls have many pink shirts but LE says they have the one in question.

It was to my understanding that they had given LE a picture of Haleigh where she was actually wearing the pink shirt that Misty said she was wearing that night. So, they most likely went off of that picture for the description, and when they found the shirt in the house they might have asked if she had 2 (why would she?) and then decided for themselves that Haleigh couldn't have been wearing it if it was still at the house.

[PinkyPoo]

I wanna know whos phone she used to call Ron. Because if she had her own phone why would she give Rons number in the police report as being her phone number ? Why not the house phone number or her own number. imo this could have been made up them both saying she tryed to call Ron and they relized what they did later. I think her saying she tryed to call Ron was a lie that they have both been caught in.

I thought about the phone thing too. Maybe it's Rons contract with two cells on it. Maybe Misty uses one of Ron's phones. Cell contracts are much cheaper if you have two phones on one rather then two seperate contracts. As for the home phone, Loads of people only have cell phones now. It's possable I guess.

[i_pickle]

But you don't know if she is lying. So how can you say that lying is impeding the investigation?Did you miss the word If?

I said;

Bottom line, she needs to tell the truth. If she left the house she needs to fess up and take the consequences. Lying, for whatever reason, is impedeing the investigation.

[Deb7]

Back a couple pages there is a discussion about who dropped off the clothes.

Tommy and the two nephews dropped off clothing that afternoon. They were there for about 45 minutes.

Somehow, ONCE AGAIN, this has been misunderstood and has now turned into two people dropping off clothing - it was Tommy and the boys.

There wasn't a second, until now unnamed person dropping off clothing.

Be very careful what you read in the NG transcripts - they often get crucial wording wrong, or cause facts to be misconstrued because NG likes to create titters among the crowd.


So, where the paternal gmom says that someone stopped by to check and drop off clothes, she is referring to Misty's brother? Or are you saying that the gmom didn't even say that? Thanks

[Rileyj26]

Ok correct me if I am wrong....but didn't she say she saw the kitchen light on? Now I live in a house...however if there is a light on in the kitchen I can "see" it under the door etc...very annoying. What I think happened is she came home right before Daddy did and the girl was gone. But that is just me. AGAIN JMO

[Barbara fl.]

See I believe that she is at the age where if she believed something she didn't want to share would have no bearing on the outcome of this she may not say anything. Especially if it makes her look bad, or gets her 'in trouble'.

Teenagers have been known to do such things.

I hate to use examples here because sometimes it gets picked up as a fact of a particular case.

But I think anyone that has had a teenager, or remembers being one the may agree that it could happen that way.

Keep in mind too, that this is not your average girl her age. For one thing she is acting the part of someone a little older. I know she use to babysit, but living with a man and his children full time is different. So she is playing grown up. But at the same time, she has some growing up to do, and is not extremely mature. So, IF she for instance left the house for a while and something happened I could see her not telling the truth.

She would be being pulled between being the youngster that wants to hide what she did to keep out of trouble, and being the adult who has it under control and will give out info as she sees the need.

IMO



Good morning,

Finally got my computer back runnng...modem went and had to be replaced.....

I said that from day one, that Misty had left the house...it was the only reasonable explanation for everything.....I may be wrong because it hasn't been proven yet....but I am prone to believe this....

Ron's mother said that Misty was home because some relatices went over to their house earlier.....It could also be something like Misty being asked to go out after putting the children to bed....and now they don't want to get involved due to what happened...and they could very well have asked Misty to say what she said....HOWEVER, I believe that someone unlocked that door from the inside so that they can return later....

LE needs to question everyone that was in that house that entire day....family or no family....I do not believe that Misty did anything to Haleigh...she doesn't seem the type to hurt a fly....But I can assure of this...that 17 year old is traumatized by what happened and will need theropy to try and get her thru this....she is basically a child herself and to have something like this happen will for sure affect her....

Also, if it is determined that she did leave the house and leave the children alone...she needs to get away from Ron....I believe that man will hurt Misty if he knows that she left that house....jmo

[i_pickle]

IMO, it has been reported that this one one of many tips. It would seem to me that the media would jump on this one for one of two reasons:

a) The LE tipped them off, or,
b) The person(s) who called in the tip, tipped them off.

If it's (b), then the media would have either determined this is a more credible tip than others for some reason, or that it would make better headlines.
If it's (a), then the reason is obvious why it's being reported.

Last night on NG, Marc Klass spoke about this tip

"Now, what law enforcement is going to do, they have 1,200 tips, but they`re not all of equal value. They have hard tips, they have soft tips, and a lot of them might even be a theory. They`re using a piece of soft where something like rapid start to help them prioritize those tips.

And for whatever reason, and I think it was calculated, they let this information out tonight that this little girl may not have been home. And they did that for a very specific reason. They`re probably leaning on her. They probably want to find out exactly what did happen and deal with all of these inconsistencies."

(IMO 'soft where' = software).

I tend to believe this theory, that LE leaked this tip. JMOI do too. I think LE leaked the tip to see the reaction and maybe in hopes that someone will step forward that may have seen her somewhere besides the home.

[ortiga]

IMO, it has been reported that this one one of many tips. It would seem to me that the media would jump on this one for one of two reasons:

a) The LE tipped them off, or,
b) The person(s) who called in the tip, tipped them off.

If it's (b), then the media would have either determined this is a more credible tip than others for some reason, or that it would make better headlines.
If it's (a), then the reason is obvious why it's being reported.

Last night on NG, Marc Klass spoke about this tip

"Now, what law enforcement is going to do, they have 1,200 tips, but they`re not all of equal value. They have hard tips, they have soft tips, and a lot of them might even be a theory. They`re using a piece of soft where something like rapid start to help them prioritize those tips.

And for whatever reason, and I think it was calculated, they let this information out tonight that this little girl may not have been home. And they did that for a very specific reason. They`re probably leaning on her. They probably want to find out exactly what did happen and deal with all of these inconsistencies."

(IMO 'soft where' = software).

I tend to believe this theory, that LE leaked this tip. JMO

They may have leaked it to provoke some response. But, I would think the media would say something like "apparently leaked". But the media is the media. From what I could see yesterday the whole subject evolved from a banner on CNN. Now it's evolved to "she's lying", "tipsters", 1200 tips that she was gone from the house, etc.

Did he really call her a "little girl"? :rolleyes: See what I mean?

[3Monkeys]

One last thing before I head over to the CA board and get lost in it for the day....

Has everyone read this yet?

Misty Croslin Speaks out
(http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx)
It was discussed on the boards late last night... I'm not sure if it's just bad reporting or another change in the sleeping arrangements from Misty's mouth.

[PinkyPoo]

Are we expecting any sort of document dump on this case anytime soon? LE released so much info on the Anthony case that way. LE sems to be keeping everything very quite in this case.

[3Monkeys]

They may have leaked it to provoke some response. But, I would think the media would say something like "apparently leaked". But the media is the media. From what I could see yesterday the whole subject evolved from a banner on CNN. Now it's evolved to "she's lying", "tipsters", 1200 tips that she was gone from the house, etc.

Did he really call her a "little girl"? :rolleyes: See what I mean?

Perhaps he's not ready to claim she's an 'OC' yet...? :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Ok correct me if I am wrong....but didn't she say she saw the kitchen light on? Now I live in a house...however if there is a light on in the kitchen I can "see" it under the door etc...very annoying. What I think happened is she came home right before Daddy did and the girl was gone. But that is just me. AGAIN JMO


That is why she remembers 3 o'clock, because she made sure she was home just before Ron gets home.....That would also explain why she did not call the police right away...Because if I came home and found the lights on and the child gone, my first thought would have been that Ron had gotten home early and found Haleigh awake and took her with him to search for Misty....so, she would have waited for Ron to get home to make sure that he didn't have Misty, before calling the police.....Then when she realized that Ron didn't have a clue, she went into panic mode for sure.....JMOO

[Mimi428]

If you can believe the local radio call in shows, the callers are all over Misty. She is not unknown around there.

Many people said that they were aware that she had left Ronald and was on a 3 day binge. He found her and drug her home - and that was the night that Haleigh went missing.

People also think that Haleigh was drug tested by LE and that is why she had to retake the LDT.

Why is the trailer still taped off? What have the police found in there?

All comments moo.

Did these 'many people' indicate how the heck THEY knew she had been on a 3-day toot? That sort of thing sounds too much as if it could only be 3rd & 4th-hand info - if you were doing drugs with her, you wouldn't rat yourself out. If you knew who she was hanging around with while on that binge, it could bring them negative attention of another sort.

Just so hard to know how to separate the gossip-mongering from the credible tips.

JMO

[tybek]

If you can believe the local radio call in shows, the callers are all over Misty. She is not unknown around there.

Many people said that they were aware that she had left Ronald and was on a 3 day binge. He found her and drug her home - and that was the night that Haleigh went missing.

People also think that Haleigh was drug tested by LE and that is why she had to retake the LDT.

Why is the trailer still taped off? What have the police found in there?

All comments moo.

Though that is "interesting" I'd not put too much stock into what folks calling into a radio show say. Folks tend to look for the worst in people in these situations and the rumor mills runs rampid. I remember some of the things said about parents/relatives in other cases when they were not involved and I cringe. I think the most ridiculous rumor I can recall was that Ed Smart and his brother were involved in child porn...it was totally unfounded and ridiculous. The Smarts were model citizens, but about one week into the disappearance this rumor spread like wildfire. The locals calling the radio may be right, but it may be just unfair gossip. JMO

[3Monkeys]

Are we expecting any sort of document dump on this case anytime soon? LE released so much info on the Anthony case that way. LE sems to be keeping everything very quite in this case.

I read earlier that because there has been no arrest in this case, we won't get documents... they are released to us after they go to the defense team, iirc. And since there is no arrest, there will be no documents.

I'm okay with this though, as it gives LE so much more opportunity to find out what really happened.

[CANDYKISSES]

I do suspect that the GF was out of the house for a period of time, I can understand why she would be too scared, or feel so guilty, that she would not have told that to LE.

The problem, of course is that is she did leave the house, she does need to tell the whole truth because of the time line into Haliegh's disapearance...as I am sure has been discussed.

I do not think that even if and that is a big IF Misty left the house she thought even for a moment that anything bad would happen, and I really don't think she understands how important it is for her to come forward if she did.

ITA Tracian and hopefully if that is the case, MS. Neves is talking to her and explaining how significant it could be as well as LE.

JMO.

[Armchairdet]

That is why she remembers 3 o'clock, because she made sure she was home just before Ron gets home.....That would also explain why she did not call the police right away...Because if I came home and found the lights on and the child gone, my first thought would have been that Ron had gotten home early and found Haleigh awake and took her with him to search for Misty....so, she would have waited for Ron to get home to make sure that he didn't have Misty, before calling the police.....Then when she realized that Ron didn't have a clue, she went into panic mode for sure.....JMOO

Good morning Barbara.

Very good theory. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Which is why I posted that it may not mean anything.

:wink:


But you thought it significant enough to mention......:wink:

[Barbara fl.]

Are we expecting any sort of document dump on this case anytime soon? LE released so much info on the Anthony case that way. LE sems to be keeping everything very quite in this case.


I think they would keep it quiet if in fact Misty did go out and leave the children alone....LE would not want to be responsible for Ron doing something to Misty....(I believe he will)....LE might have that information already but do not suspect Misty of harming Haleigh, but leaving her alone and someone was watching or knew she was going out......

That is why I believe that the person who took Haleigh had to have been in that house and unlocked that back door to gain entrence later..That is also, why the person was so brazen as to put the light on because they knew that only the children were in there alone.....

just my own opinion....I could be very wrong....

[PinkyPoo]

The cell phone service in that area is terrible, LE used that as one of their reasons for moving the command center.

I heard LE say that as well. However they did say it was the Nextel service that was bad there.
I expect At&T or sprint (or another one) does carry service there.

We have problums with Sprint signels at our house, however the Nextels work great here.

[i_pickle]

I think they would keep it quiet if in fact Misty did go out and leave the children alone....LE would not want to be responsible for Ron doing something to Misty....(I believe he will)....LE might have that information already but do not suspect Misty of harming Haleigh, but leaving her alone and someone was watching or knew she was going out......

That is why I believe that the person who took Haleigh had to have been in that house and unlocked that back door to gain entrence later..That is also, why the person was so brazen as to put the light on because they knew that only the children were in there alone.....

just my own opinion....I could be very wrong....That sounds plausible to me. The light being on always bothered me. It's too brazen unless you know that there's no one around to notice.

[CANDYKISSES]

I still haven't see proof that the police gave out the information that they received that sort of tip. Was there a news release?

I believe in the PC it was acknowledged there was a tip suggesting such, and we know LE stated they had people from the community they missed interviewing on Monday IIRC.

I believe there is a tip and possibly even someone who came forward and has some info since that is when the description of clothing changed too. IN THAT CASE, we still have no confirmation, and it would be likely they would ask such an individual who might change the timeline up a bit to take a poly. JMO tho and nothing more.

[Deb7]

That is why she remembers 3 o'clock, because she made sure she was home just before Ron gets home.....That would also explain why she did not call the police right away...Because if I came home and found the lights on and the child gone, my first thought would have been that Ron had gotten home early and found Haleigh awake and took her with him to search for Misty....so, she would have waited for Ron to get home to make sure that he didn't have Misty, before calling the police.....Then when she realized that Ron didn't have a clue, she went into panic mode for sure.....JMOO


That is a pretty good theory.
:thumbup:

[Mimi428]

One last thing before I head over to the CA board and get lost in it for the day....

Has everyone read this yet?

Misty Croslin Speaks out
(http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx)
It was discussed on the boards late last night... I'm not sure if it's just bad reporting or another change in the sleeping arrangements from Misty's mouth.

Thanks for that link!

So she manages to relate that she was over-tired, she was super exhausted, when she fell asleep she was out like a light. Ohhhkaaaaay. Had she been up for all hours of the day & night just prior to that particular night? I could burn the candles at both ends myself when I was her age, so I can accept that there is at least the possibility that she had been up for hours upon hours. But I would expect her to give some outline of why she was so over-tired, exhausted, plumb worn out, etc.

JMO

[Armchairdet]

That sounds plausible to me. The light being on always bothered me. It's too brazen unless you know that there's no one around to notice.

Or, if Misty was out she may have left it on because Haleigh is afraid of the dark, in case she woke up. That, and maybe she thought it would be safer because a passerbye would think someone was home.

[CANDYKISSES]

Did these 'many people' indicate how the heck THEY knew she had been on a 3-day toot? That sort of thing sounds too much as if it could only be 3rd & 4th-hand info - if you were doing drugs with her, you wouldn't rat yourself out. If you knew who she was hanging around with while on that binge, it could bring them negative attention of another sort.

Just so hard to know how to separate the gossip-mongering from the credible tips.

JMO

Exactly and that could be why Ms. Neves is setting some of this straight. IF THAT WERE TRUE, do you believe Ms. NEVES being affiliated with LE herself, would jeopardize THE INVESTIGATION INTO HER MISSING GANDCHILD and HER PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION TOO?

I don't but that's just me.

I think it's certainly possible Misty was sneaking out, but wanted to believe if that was the case, that she stayed where she could see that door. I don't mind being wrong because really all I care about is someone bringing Haleigh back at this point. This is much different from the case we have been following.

There is a heck of disparity between 27 minutes or five hours and THIRTY-ONE DAYS IMO and I'll leave it at that.

:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

I wanna know whos phone she used to call Ron. Because if she had her own phone why would she give Rons number in the police report as being her phone number ? Why not the house phone number or her own number. imo this could have been made up them both saying she tryed to call Ron and they relized what they did later. I think her saying she tryed to call Ron was a lie that they have both been caught in.


Sorry, but I don't think that at all....I personally don't think either one was involved in any way at all with what has happened to Haleigh....the father is too devastated and Misty is in shock mode....She might have left the house and left the children alone and then this happened....but I do not believe that she had anything directly to do with the child missing....

Infact my heart goes out to her...she is going to have a very hard time getting thru this whole thing....she is just too young.....If I were her mother (well, if I were really her mother she wouldn't have been there to begin with)...but I would make her come home right now out of fear of what Ron will do to her if infact she did leave the house.....JMOO

[Kara]

I have been tying to follow this case but I've also been following the Hilton trial and now the Bearden trial so I run out of time...

Am I correct that it now appears Misty may have left the kids unattended for some portion of the evening?

With the story about the blanket/urine...I've wondered if Haleigh wet the bed and Misty went ballistic on her.

I've also wondered if something happened before Ron went to work and they concocted the story of Haleigh being kidnapped from her bed while sleeping.

As a crane operater, he should make good money so I have to wonder where it all goes. It's not going towards rent (based upon where they live)...and it's not going to daycare as that's what Misty was doing...

Drugs???

[CC I See]

You have to have money to lawyer up. The As have used up all the free lawyering available in the area.... I'm sure there is still a couple still lurking around needing their time in the sun. Maybe we here in Texas could ship some to Florida..... one way. :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

That is why she remembers 3 o'clock, because she made sure she was home just before Ron gets home.....That would also explain why she did not call the police right away...Because if I came home and found the lights on and the child gone, my first thought would have been that Ron had gotten home early and found Haleigh awake and took her with him to search for Misty....so, she would have waited for Ron to get home to make sure that he didn't have Misty, before calling the police.....Then when she realized that Ron didn't have a clue, she went into panic mode for sure.....JMOO


IF it comes to be TRUE she WAS OUT....I find your theory quite plausible and definitely don't think it would have been the first time, but that's JMO. I am praying for a safe return of Haleigh.

[i_pickle]

Or, if Misty was out she may have left it on because Haleigh is afraid of the dark, in case she woke up. That, and maybe she thought it would be safer because a passerbye would think someone was home.That's plausible too. I was thinking the abductor put the light on because Misty claims it wasn't on when she went to sleep.

There's a lot of holes in her story, imo.

[iluvmua]

Sorry, but I don't think that at all....I personally don't think either one was involved in any way at all with what has happened to Haleigh....the father is too devastated and Misty is in shock mode....She might have left the house and left the children alone and then this happened....but I do not believe that she had anything directly to do with the child missing....

Infact my heart goes out to her...she is going to have a very hard time getting thru this whole thing....she is just too young.....If I were her mother (well, if I were really her mother she wouldn't have been there to begin with)...but I would make her come home right now out of fear of what Ron will do to her if infact she did leave the house.....JMOO

I agree with you. I too, don't think Ron or Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's vanishing.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think they would keep it quiet if in fact Misty did go out and leave the children alone....LE would not want to be responsible for Ron doing something to Misty....(I believe he will)....LE might have that information already but do not suspect Misty of harming Haleigh, but leaving her alone and someone was watching or knew she was going out......

That is why I believe that the person who took Haleigh had to have been in that house and unlocked that back door to gain entrence later..That is also, why the person was so brazen as to put the light on because they knew that only the children were in there alone.....

just my own opinion....I could be very wrong....


IF that turns out to be true and I were Misty, I would be absolutely MORTIFIED of RON.

His mother even commented on how everyone knows how protective he is of his children......:crying:

IMO there would be no safe place to close your eyes in her shoes IF that were true and I am not believing she was any part of Haleigh's disappearance insomuch as knowingly handing her off or harming her. JMO tho.

[Armchairdet]

IF that turns out to be true and I were Misty, I would be absolutely MORTIFIED of RON.

His mother even commented on how everyone knows how protective he is of his children......:crying:

IMO there would be no safe place to close your eyes in her shoes IF that were true and I am not believing she was any part of Haleigh's disappearance insomuch as knowingly handing her off or harming her. JMO tho.

Ron would be a good reason she wouldn't come forward and say, 'ok, ok, I was gone for a while and when I came back Haleigh was missing.' I think she would be too afraid. IMO

[iluvmua]

Or, if Misty was out she may have left it on because Haleigh is afraid of the dark, in case she woke up. That, and maybe she thought it would be safer because a passerbye would think someone was home.

I agree with you.

[i_pickle]

One of the th on NG mentioned last night that they think Misty is more afrain of Ron than she is of LE.

I tend to agree.

[PinkyPoo]

I think Ron is keeping Misty close right now to see if she will crack at some point. He may be able to get her to say something to him that she would not tell LE. She's a street smart girl.

[CC I See]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said

This is a really troubling statement.... I said on an earlier thread that teenagers can fall asleep and sleep through an earthquake because they tend to stay up late and are sleep deprived. I remember my son was such a sound a sleeper that it took a lot of shaking to get him awake for school every day.

So, now we have a teenager looking after small children who aren't hers..... mothers have a special bond with her children and can wake in an instant if they are needed, but this girl was not related to the children and did not have such a bond.

Either she was not there that night or she was sleeping so soundly that the person who took Haleigh was able to pull her out of the bed and walk out without disturbing Misty because she was passed out.

[i_pickle]

I think Ron is keeping Misty close right now to see if she will crack at some point. He may be able to get her to say something to him that she would not tell LE. She's a street smart girl.I don't see her as being particularly smart...street, or otherwise.

She seems very vulnerable and childish to me. I have an 17 yr old grand-daughter, she'll be 18 in Aug. Misty isn't smart for 17, imo.

[SavannahStar]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said

This is a really troubling statement.... I said on an earlier thread that teenagers can fall asleep and sleep through an earthquake because they tend to stay up late and are sleep deprived. I remember my son was such a sound a sleeper that it took a lot of shaking to get him awake for school every day.

So, now we have a teenager looking after small children who aren't hers..... mothers have a special bond with her children and can wake in an instant if they are needed, but this girl was not related to the children and did not have such a bond.

Either she was not there that night or she was sleeping so soundly that the person who took Haleigh was able to pull her out of the bed and walk out without disturbing Misty because she was passed out.

Not sure I agree with your implication (IMO) of the "passed out" phrase.

[Mimi428]

One of the th on NG mentioned last night that they think Misty is more afrain of Ron than she is of LE.

I tend to agree.

I share that opinion. And when I see him correcting what she says, or half-answering FOR her, it really bothers me. It's almost as if he is trying to keep her on the prior agreed-upon track. Makes me very nervous thinking of the possibilities behind that sort of behavior.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

One of the th on NG mentioned last night that they think Misty is more afrain of Ron than she is of LE.

I tend to agree.

You know a lot of posters have also given that opinion.

We don't know that, though. It's just a speculation due to reading court docs about him in the custody case, his anger during the 911 call, some interviews and some other allegations made by Haleigh's mother. You can deduce a certain personality type about him, I think, but we really DON'T know if she was afraid of him, from that.

Maybe he wasn't so bad with her, in their personal life, in private? Or maybe she's used to guys like that and it doesn't phase her? Again, we don't KNOW. She didn't look afraid of him, when I've seen them together. But that too is just an opinion.

[i_pickle]

I share that opinion. And when I see him correcting what she says, or half-answering FOR her, it really bothers me. It's almost as if he is trying to keep her on the prior agreed-upon track. Makes me very nervous thinking of the possibilities behind that sort of behavior.

JMOMe too. He's volatile and she's afraid of him. That in no way implies guilt on either part for the missing child but it does raise the question of abuse.

[Snoopy50]

That is why she remembers 3 o'clock, because she made sure she was home just before Ron gets home.....That would also explain why she did not call the police right away...Because if I came home and found the lights on and the child gone, my first thought would have been that Ron had gotten home early and found Haleigh awake and took her with him to search for Misty....so, she would have waited for Ron to get home to make sure that he didn't have Misty, before calling the police.....Then when she realized that Ron didn't have a clue, she went into panic mode for sure.....JMOO
This theory makes good sense actually.....at a time when little makes sense in this case. Most disturbing to me was what Ron said to Misty when on the phone with the 911 operator. The men I know do NOT ever speak to women like that, gave me chills.

[i_pickle]

You know a lot of posters have also given that opinion.

We don't know that, though. It's just a speculation due to reading court docs about him in the custody case, his anger during the 911 call, some interviews and some other allegations made by Haleigh's mother. You can deduce a certain personality type about him, I think, but we really DON'T know if she was afraid of him, from that.

Maybe he wasn't so bad with her, in their personal life, in private? Or maybe she's used to guys like that and it doesn't phase her? Again, we don't KNOW. She didn't look afraid of him, when I've seen them together. But that too is just an opinion.I didn't say we know that. This is all speculation SS...everyone is speculating, including you. That's what happens on forums like this.

I trust my own observations and gut feelings about things and imo, she is afraid of him. Probably with good reason.

[Snoopy50]

Sorry, but I don't think that at all....I personally don't think either one was involved in any way at all with what has happened to Haleigh....the father is too devastated and Misty is in shock mode....She might have left the house and left the children alone and then this happened....but I do not believe that she had anything directly to do with the child missing....

Infact my heart goes out to her...she is going to have a very hard time getting thru this whole thing....she is just too young.....If I were her mother (well, if I were really her mother she wouldn't have been there to begin with)...but I would make her come home right now out of fear of what Ron will do to her if infact she did leave the house.....JMOO

I couldn't agree more.

[Armchairdet]

I remember reading something about a neighbor they had previously that owned the current mobil home saying Ron mentioned to him needing a three bedroom now so the kids had their own rooms, and so that is why he rented it to them.

Does anyone have any further information on why they were all in one bedroom? I know it takes time to move into a place but in three months or so I would have thought the kids would have their rooms fixed up.

Also if the floor plan from last nights thread is correct, and the room is about 10 x 12, and a full size bed is about 4 x 6 that would mean that the beds if they were full size could not have been four feet apart. Unless my math is wrong, which is a total possibility.

IMO and all that good stuff.

Edited to add, yeah I guess they could. My bad...math. Sorry

[SavannahStar]

I didn't say we know that. This is all speculation SS...everyone is speculating, including you. That's what happens on forums like this.

I trust my own observations and gut feelings about things and imo, she is afraid of him. Probably with good reason.

I know boards are full of speculation.....of course!

At least, glad you put in "imo."

And I'm certainly not saying she is NOT afraid of him.....just saying I think we are reading something into it that MAY not be there.

Projection. As in, "boy if that were ME, I'd be afraid of that abusive jerk."

[i_pickle]

~snipped to address~

Projection. As in, "boy if that were ME, I'd be afraid of that abusive jerk."It's not projection as much as it is common sense, imo.

I don't think Misty has a lot of that. Do I feel for her? Absolutely. But my sympathy for her takes a backseat to finding this child.

If she isn't telling the whole truth of what happened that night she is impeding the investigation.

Please notice the word IF

[odyssey]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090218/ARTICLES/902181008/0/MAGAZINE


Air Bud? First I heard of that ... was Haleigh put to bed (near the t.v.) to fall asleep watching the movie or was she watching it earlier I wonder. Mainly I wonder whether or not the television in the bedroom was on or off.

I also am curious about the missing blanket and if it was located. Well mainly I just want to know if LE retrieved it from the van.

[Armchairdet]

What was in the other 2 bedrooms?

Exactly. IMO

[Spry]

It could be possible that if she were out someplace that someone saw her out and knew those children might be home alone and took the opportunity. But having said that and seeing Ron's temper, it seems unlikely that she would risk being seen out and have it get back to Ron. I guess it is more likely that someone knew the routine of that household.

Maybe she brought others back to the trailer and someone followed them. Whatever. The main thing that is bothering me is that she has not come clean from the very start, and as she lets the story out piece by piece, the time for finding Haleigh is closing in. imo

[CC I See]

I remember reading something about a neighbor they had previously that owned the current mobil home saying Ron mentioned to him needing a three bedroom now so the kids had their own rooms, and so that is why he rented it to them.

Does anyone have any further information on why they were all in one bedroom? I know it takes time to move into a place but in three months or so I would have thought the kids would have their rooms fixed up.

Also if the floor plan from last nights thread is correct, and the room is about 10 x 12, and a full size bed is about 4 x 6 that would mean that the beds if they were full size could not have been four feet apart. Unless my math is wrong, which is a total possibility.

IMO and all that good stuff.

Edited to add, yeah I guess they could. My bad...math. Sorry

What I have gathered is that they were sleeping on mattresses on the floor and did not have any bedroom furniture. There were sheets on the windows and one was removed to use as a blanket for the children. The mattresses should have been next to each other given the dimensions of the room.

[odyssey]

What was in the other 2 bedrooms?


Could be any number of things. In custody cases, typically children of different genders are "required" to have separate bedrooms if over age one(or two). In my own son's case, many of his things are in his bedroom but he sleeps in bed with me every night (he is 3 and a half). Also they had work done on the air/heat/whichever and it is possible they were all sleeping in the same room for heating purposes instead of heating three different bedrooms. The other thing I can think of, referencing my other post, is that a mattress was moved into the bedroom that contained the television so Haleigh(or both kids) could watch t.v. at night...

[Spry]

You know a lot of posters have also given that opinion.

We don't know that, though. It's just a speculation due to reading court docs about him in the custody case, his anger during the 911 call, some interviews and some other allegations made by Haleigh's mother. You can deduce a certain personality type about him, I think, but we really DON'T know if she was afraid of him, from that.

Maybe he wasn't so bad with her, in their personal life, in private? Or maybe she's used to guys like that and it doesn't phase her? Again, we don't KNOW. She didn't look afraid of him, when I've seen them together. But that too is just an opinion.

My impression of Misty and Ron from the news clips I have seen is that they are very much together. She doesn't cower around him. Her reluctance to tell the entire story the first time is that maybe her biggest fear is of losing him and knowing that there will be some blame attached to her because she left them alone/left the door open.

imo

[i_pickle]

The previous owner was on NG last night. I believe he is a preacher but don't remember his name. He said the MB is 10' x 10'. That's not very big and a queen size mattress would take up a good portion of the room.

[Armchairdet]

Could be any number of things. In custody cases, typically children of different genders are "required" to have separate bedrooms if over age one(or two). In my own son's case, many of his things are in his bedroom but he sleeps in bed with me every night (he is 3 and a half). Also they had work done on the air/heat/whichever and it is possible they were all sleeping in the same room for heating purposes instead of heating three different bedrooms. The other thing I can think of, referencing my other post, is that a mattress was moved into the bedroom that contained the television so Haleigh(or both kids) could watch t.v. at night...

That makes sense. He was probably required to provide them with their own rooms, doesn't mean they have to sleep there. I can live with that.

I just started to think maybe Misty or one of the kids felt unsafe, and that is why they slept together. Ron being gone at nights I could see that too. But in a case where a child goes missing I would want to know what made them feel unsafe, IF that had been in fact why they were all in one room.

IF, IMO, etc.

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone know what type of lock Ron and Misty had on the back door.

I just got this in an email and it is scary. It is called lock bumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM

imoo

[Snow_Dream]

The previous owner was on NG last night. I believe he is a preacher but don't remember his name. He said the MB is 10' x 10'. That's not very big and a queen size mattress would take up a good portion of the room.


GRACE: With me right now is Reverend Jesse Smallwood, who previously lived in the home from which Haleigh disappeared.

Reverend, thank you for being with us. Describe the home.

REVEREND JESSE SMALLWOOD, PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN THE SAME HOME WHERE HALEIGH DISAPPEARED: Well, it`s a typical mobile home. It was (INAUDIBLE) when we looked at it then it was not quite as sturdy as we expected.

GRACE: Reverend, let me ask you about the bedroom. The bedroom in which the little girl was sleeping along with.

SMALLWOOD: Would you mean the master or one of the two children`s rooms?

GRACE: To Grandmother Neves, weren`t they in the master bedroom?

NEVES: They`re in the master bedroom, yes.

GRACE: Reverend, it was the master bedroom.

SMALLWOOD: OK. Well, what would you like to know?

GRACE: Well, how big is it? Because we know the babysitter did not hear someone when they took the little girl.

SMALLWOOD: Well, it was 10 by 10, if I`m not mistaken, with a room tarp, with a huge garden tub in the corner. Left-hand corner of the room as you enter into the door. Because we had a queen size bed, and I`m 6`5", pretty big guy.

GRACE: OK.

SMALLWOOD: And I had bypass surgery, and so I could not get around in the room.

GRACE: Were you surprised when you heard that the babysitter did not hear someone take the little girl?

SMALLWOOD: Well, if they came in the back door, because it`s a long ways, because you had to come through the washroom, the kitchen, the dining room.

GRACE: So were you surprised?

SMALLWOOD: The double living room. Yes, I was.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

[CC I See]

Does anyone know what type of lock Ron and Misty had on the back door.

I just got this in an email and it is scary. It is called lock bumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM

imoo Ron said that he put dead bolts on the doors high enough so the children could not unlock them..... given this statement, it answers not only your question but the one asking if the locks were changed from the previous tenants. When you put on new locks that means changing them..... why this question keeps coming up, I don't know. Whoever got in that night either came through an unlocked door or had a key to the new locks.

[GentleBreeze]

Ron said that he put dead bolts on the doors high enough so the children could not unlock them..... given this statement, it answers not only your question but the one asking if the locks were changed from the previous tenants. When you put on new locks that means changing them..... why this question keeps coming up, I don't know. Whoever got in that night either came through an unlocked door or had a key to the new locks.

Why? If the dead bolts can be opened this way as shown in the youtube video even when locked why does it have to be someone with a key to the new locks or the door had to be unlocked? They demonstrated how easily it is to bump the lock or cut any key and stick it in the lock and bump it to come open. Where the lock was located on the door would have no relation to being able to bump the lock no matter where it was.

Why I was asking if anyone knew what brand of lock was on the back door is they listed two brands where this can't happen. Somehow I don't see Ron paying $150 for a lock on a rental home.

imoo

[JD1974]

Ron said that he put dead bolts on the doors high enough so the children could not unlock them..... given this statement, it answers not only your question but the one asking if the locks were changed from the previous tenants. When you put on new locks that means changing them..... why this question keeps coming up, I don't know. Whoever got in that night either came through an unlocked door or had a key to the new locks.


Yeah and when I just watched that video it showed a dead bolt getting bumped...so that doesn't answer what brand the lock was. The locksmith said they run about 150.00 I don't think they bought those kind, there are only 2 brands that can't be bumped.

[crymeariver2006]

Why? If the dead bolts can be opened this way as shown in the youtube video even when locked why does it have to be someone with a key to the new locks or the door had to be unlocked? They demonstrated how easily it is to bump the lock or cut any key and stick it in the lock and bump it to come open. Where the lock was located on the door would have no relation to being able to bump the lock no matter where it was.

Why I was asking if anyone knew what brand of lock was on the back door is they listed two brands where this can't happen. Somehow I don't see Ron paying $150 for a lock on a rental home.

imoo

I don't either. I think the sliding lock that Mr. Smallwood put on remains to this day. He also put it high up so his son couldn't reach it.

If the sliding lock goes into the door frame any length, I can see where Ron would call it a "deadbolt".

JMO

[kitty1182]

From the article it says LE has never been called to that address, since it appears that they have only lived there for 3 months were there any calls from the previous addreses?

Good question!! Praying she is found safe.......


(docs are released on CA)

[Armchairdet]

I have another question concerning the doors. You see imo 'deadbolt' may not mean the same thing to all of us. It should, but it is kind of like someone might use the word asprin for a non asprin product, because they are just use to using that word for a pain killer. Or coke, for any cola soda.

But assuming he means deadbolt like I mean deadbolt, and he installed one higher in the door that would mean drilling a new hole. Because most doors leading in or out of the home have a hole for the door knob, and many have one a little higher for the deadbolt. If he installed a deadbolt, not changed the lock, but installed one where there wasn't one, that takes some fancy drilling.

IMO

[crymeariver2006]

She also said she was in the mobile home for the first time Monday with investigators and found the pink Hannah Montana shirt Haleigh was wearing in the laundry. She said the little girl was wearing the shirt when she went to bed.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

So... now we learn the pink Hanna Montana shirt has legs too. At first I attributed her slightly-changing stories to nerves but this..well...really doesn't sit well with me. At all.


No kidding. Does she make a beeline for the laundry basket and pull out a pink shirt?

Why didn't she just say she didn't remember what Haleigh had on? I could have believed that.

[GentleBreeze]

I have another question concerning the doors. You see imo 'deadbolt' may not mean the same thing to all of us. It should, but it is kind of like someone might use the word asprin for a non asprin product, because they are just use to using that word for a pain killer. Or coke, for any cola soda.

But assuming he means deadbolt like I mean deadbolt, and he installed one higher in the door that would mean drilling a new hole. Because most doors leading in or out of the home have a hole for the door knob, and many have one a little higher for the deadbolt. If he installed a deadbolt, not changed the lock, but installed one where there wasn't one, that takes some fancy drilling.

IMO

It really isn't hard to install a dead bolt anywhere on the door that the person may want it. There are simple tools for that and are available at any local hardware store and they arent expensive.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

From the article it says LE has never been called to that address, since it appears that they have only lived there for 3 months were there any calls from the previous addreses?

I thought their previous address was with Ron's mother?

If so, I can see why they wouldn't have been called there.

[Armchairdet]

It really isn't hard to install a dead bolt anywhere on the door that the person may want it. There are simple tools for that and are available at any local hardware store and they arent expensive.

imoo

Oh ok. Someone told me there has to be a round hole in the door, lined up to the door jam, the hole for the lock thingy to go in, etc.

I am not smart on all that fancy stuff. I suppose it is not expensive or hard, based on your knowledge. Especially if you are going to use the tools more than once.

[GentleBreeze]

This seems pretty obvious to me - it sounds like either Haleigh changed her shirt into one she liked more just before going to bed, or Misty simply mis-remembered what she was wearing. This hardly seems incriminating.


I can't remember but did Duncan make Dylan and Shasta change clothes before he took them? Was Elizabeth Smart taken in her same clothing that she wore that night?

It does remind me of Jon Benet's clothes being changed.

imoo

[Ralar]

Oh ok. Someone told me there has to be a round hole in the door, lined up to the door jam, the hole for the lock thingy to go in, etc.

I am not smart on all that fancy stuff. I suppose it is not expensive or hard. Especially if you are going to use the tools more than once.

All it takes is a drill and a couple of drill bits. The bit used to make the larger hole looks like a cookie cutter with a serrated edge. It is very easy to drill the holes, you just need to be careful to make sure you line up the holes properly so the dead bolt fits into the hole in the door jam.

I have installed door knobs, deadbolts, etc. It is not difficult. I'm an attorney (female) not a construction worker. If I can do it, Ronald probably can also do it.

[Armchairdet]

Yes, armchair. It's very hard to install a new deadbolt into an existing door, if it's the kind everyone is thinking.

Next time you're in Home Depot go to the lock section and you'll see all kinds of sliding bolts that you attach to the inside of the door, on the flat surface - only holes that need to be drilled are the screw holes.

That's my guess. Not a key bolt.

Yeah, that is my opinion. I know how to replace a deadbolt lock (change the lock) when there is already a deadbolt hole...but drilling a hole etc up higher seems LESS likely than installing a slide lock inside.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Oh ok. Someone told me there has to be a round hole in the door, lined up to the door jam, the hole for the lock thingy to go in, etc.

I am not smart on all that fancy stuff. I suppose it is not expensive or hard, based on your knowledge. Especially if you are going to use the tools more than once.

LOL! There are tools which cut a perfect hole in the door the size of the lock and then one takes a chisel etc. and removes the part of the wood from the door frame where the lock will slide in. It really isn't hard, I promise.:smile:

imo

[crymeariver2006]

Yeah, that is my opinion. I know how to replace a deadbolt lock (change the lock) when there is already a deadbolt hole...but drilling a hole etc up higher seems LESS likely than installing a slide lock inside.

IMO

Which Mr. Smallwood had already installed.

Up high.

IMO, it's the same lock and Ron just called it a "deadbolt".

Remember he first said it was a "plastic lock".

[GentleBreeze]

All it takes is a drill and a couple of drill bits. The bit used to make the larger hole looks like a cookie cutter with a serrated edge. It is very easy to drill the holes, you just need to be careful to make sure you line up the holes properly so the dead bolt fits into the hole in the door jam.

I have installed door knobs, deadbolts, etc. It is not difficult. I'm an attorney (female) not a construction worker. If I can do it, Ronald probably can also do it.

ITA and I am a woman too and have done it several times over the years. Thank goodness I always installed locks that cant be bumped.

imoo

[Armchairdet]

Which Mr. Smallwood had already installed.

Up high.

IMO, it's the same lock and Ron just called it a "deadbolt".

Remember he first said it was a "plastic lock".



I think that is accurate.

[Armchairdet]

Would a trailer have a wood frame? My guess it's a metal frame door, making it very difficult except for a skilled locksmith.

Down about the middle, this article speaks of what mobile home doors are made of IMO.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/mobilehomedoor

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe she did and LE grilled her the only thing she could remember was the pink shirt.

JMO


I don't know, but I don't think they were "grilling" her on the first night. Not when they first arrived anyway. When a child goes missing, it's important to have some basic details and since it was the middle of the night, there's no reason to believe she had changed clothes from when she had been put to bed.

I think the real "grilling" started after Misty's media interviews.

I think every time one of the family opens their mouth on tv, they're re-interviewed by police. Every lead or tip seems to bring police right back to the house. IMO only.

[GentleBreeze]

Would a trailer have a wood frame? My guess it's a metal frame door, making it very difficult except for a skilled locksmith.

Yes, dead bolts are installed on trailers the same way they are on a site built home. The door is metal but then a lot of doors are metal even in most other stick built houses.

I was in the manufactured home business for over 16 years and had many deadbolts installed for my customers. Piece of cake and doesn't take any real skill.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Most doublewide's are wood framed, doors are usually composite.

JMO

Yes they are. All manufactured homes are built to HUD code standards just like site built homes.

Since the 80s the manufactured home has come a long way.

imoo

[Anakerie]

Would a trailer have a wood frame? My guess it's a metal frame door, making it very difficult except for a skilled locksmith.

I have no idea of the age of the mobile home that the Cummings live in, but the older mobiles did use wood framing in the walls and such. Newer ones use metal framing.

[IlliniFan]

update

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17

[JD1974]

update

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17


Oh no....I hope this isn't what I think it is, they found something not good or they are about to find out Misty has been lying. I really hope Ron doesn't have that gun, although I think he would forego a gun to get to whoever is responsible.

[5boxersmom]

Just heard this on MSNBC. Do you think they found her?

[Armchairdet]

Waiting for an update on local news here.

[lune3]

Oh no....I hope this isn't what I think it is, they found something not good or they are about to find out Misty has been lying. I really hope Ron doesn't have that gun, although I think he would forego a gun to get to whoever is responsible.

That was my thought. That it's confirmed Misty was out that night and that the parents and grandma will be told.

[JD1974]

Just heard this on MSNBC. Do you think they found her?


I hope so, but I hope they found her alive :sad:

[IlliniFan]

Waiting for an update on local news here.

Keep us posted

tia

[JD1974]

That was my thought. That it's confirmed Misty was out that night and that the parents and grandma will be told.

Well it is glaringly obvious they did not ask Misty to come to the police station....that really isn't a good sign for Misty methinks.

[Armchairdet]

Keep us posted

tia


Will do. Nothing yet.

[lune3]

Well it is glaringly obvious they did not ask Misty to come to the police station....that really isn't a good sign for Misty methinks.

Yes I know....what makes me uneasy is that they are talking only to the direct family, I hope it's not bad news.

[JD1974]

Yes I know....what makes me uneasy is that they are talking only to the direct family, I hope it's not bad news.


I know, I am trying not to think of the alternative, finding a body, I really hope it is Misty lying...I know that sounds strange...

[desmom]

HLN just reported live presser in about an hour.

[crymeariver2006]

I know, I am trying not to think of the alternative, finding a body, I really hope it is Misty lying...I know that sounds strange...

I know, but if it's for Misty lying wouldn't she be being brought in too?

[juliekan]

HLN just reported live presser in about an hour.

:ohmy: this feels ominous

[JD1974]

HLN just reported live presser in about an hour.


Oh man I have a really bad bad feeling about this....

[GentleBreeze]

Yes I know....what makes me uneasy is that they are talking only to the direct family, I hope it's not bad news.

OMG! My heart is in my throat. When LE summons all the family members together usually the news is not good.

Praying for Haleigh!

imo

[lune3]

HLN just reported live presser in about an hour.

Oh my God, I'm not sure I want to listen. I don't like the implication.

[juliekan]

I know, but if it's for Misty lying wouldn't she be being brought in too?

Maybe Misty is already with LE? Or if something bad has happened, you only notify the family, and Misty is not family....

[JD1974]

I know, but if it's for Misty lying wouldn't she be being brought in too?


Depends on what the lie is, she may be brought in later, just asking the family to come is not good either way. Now a presser in an hr, I have a feeling we will know what happened to Haleigh Cummings very soon...:crying:

[jewel6]

Yikes. I think if they found a body wouldnt the news be all over it? Maybe they are going to arrest Misty. Well dang i think the father would know about that though! jmo :scared:

[museumgirl]

This seems pretty obvious to me - it sounds like either Haleigh changed her shirt into one she liked more just before going to bed, or Misty simply mis-remembered what she was wearing. This hardly seems incriminating.

Yeah, they'll need more to hang this on Misty for me. I've had my daughter change after going to bed and being so snuggled in that I don't notice until she gets up in the morning...

And to be honest... ONE time ~ I couldn't find my daughter and immediately I had NO clue what she had on... all I could thinks was SHE'S GONE... turned out she snuck out and was at the neighbors house so she couldn't hear me screaming.... but she was only gone about 10 minutes and I was devastated.....

And I had been w/her most of the day.

So to me, this girl is 17... she's scared, she's afraid (of both Ron and what could happen to Haleigh) and her mind froze. I don't fault her for that..... even as a mother.... I'm not sure how well I would do w/that kind of panic.

[Armchairdet]

Depends on what the lie is, she may be brought in later, just asking the family to come is not good either way. Now a presser in an hr, I have a feeling we will know what happened to Haleigh Cummings very soon...:crying:

The presser had already been scheduled imo. It may not mean anything bad. We can hope anyway.

[museumgirl]

Yikes. I think if they found a body wouldnt the news be all over it? Maybe they are going to arrest Misty. Well dang i think the father would know about that though! jmo

Why would they tell Ron if they knew they were going to arrest Misty???? They would be putting her and their case in jeopardy... you have no clue how he would react... it would be best to do it w/o him there. Or maybe have him somewhere where he is safe as are others.

[KKKKKKatie]

I know, but if it's for Misty lying wouldn't she be being brought in too?

Maybe she is already there :scared:

[crymeariver2006]

Depends on what the lie is, she may be brought in later, just asking the family to come is not good either way. Now a presser in an hr, I have a feeling we will know what happened to Haleigh Cummings very soon...:crying:

The press conference was already scheduled for 4:00. One of their daily briefings.

From the article:

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was taken there by the lead detective in the case.



Crystal's mother is asked to bring her in, but Ron is brought in by the lead detective? Of course, if bad news is about to be delivered maybe they wouldn't trust his reaction if his mother had been asked to bring him in.

[JD1974]

The presser had already been scheduled imo. It may not mean anything bad. We can hope anyway.

Oh ok, but it is just really odd that they call family only into the police dept. and now the presser. It is at 4?

[kitty1182]

update

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17

Doesn't sound good...

[museumgirl]

Whether they find her alive or not.... this is not going to end well. Either she's been hurt and/or abused.... or worse.

:sad:

[KittenCakes7]

If it were bad news, would they personally deliver it to the family at home? Why call them in? I hope they found her.

Also, if they found a body, I would think the news trucks would have figured it out already....

[juliekan]

does anyone know if the reporters are still posting via Twitter from the scene? There was a link here last week?

TIA

Looks like their last post was 2/14

[Larkin]

The press conference was already scheduled for 4:00. One of their daily briefings.

From the article:



Crystal's mother is asked to bring her in, but Ron is brought in by the lead detective? Of course, if bad news is about to be delivered maybe they wouldn't trust his reaction if his mother had been asked to bring him in.

Makes you wonder... :crying:

[breeze53]

Doesn't sound good...


Has anyone heard if Misty was with Ron at all today?

[3Monkeys]

IMO if it was good news, it would have leaked... it's bad news.

I would have thought that if Misty would be brought in too if she were lying. I've been really leaning towards her being dishonest about so many things... I wonder if they have brought her in separately for more questioning/charges?

Truthfully, at this point, I hope the family or Misty has nothing to do with and it's just a random abduction.

What a sad, sad dark rainy day here where I am.... and so tragic with all the docs that have been released about Caylee, and now what seems like impending bad news about Haleigh.

For Haleigh - :rose:
For Caylee - :rose:

[jewel6]

Why would they tell Ron if they knew they were going to arrest Misty???? They would be putting her and their case in jeopardy... you have no clue how he would react... it would be best to do it w/o him there. Or maybe have him somewhere where he is safe as are others.

Maybe. I just thimk they were probally all together. I wouldnt trust his actions either if its bad news. jmo

[odyssey]

GSReporter at twitter is not reporting anything .. that is for the person on the previous page who asked .. they've not reported anything since saturday.


I was about to report the link to the alert when it was already posted. I think it sounds bad .. it's the first time I have considered she may have come to mortal harm .... i hope not.

[~jomomma~]

ahhh geez....i need to stop for gas on the way home from work. i'll be listening to HLN in the car......

hope i can make it home by 4:00

[FreeCell]

If it were bad news, would they personally deliver it to the family at home? Why call them in? I hope they found her.

Also, if they found a body, I would think the news trucks would have figured it out already....

IIRC the Smart family was told to come to the police station.
It was at the police station that the family was reunited with their daughter Elizabeth.

Let's hope they found her alive....

[kitty1182]

Has anyone heard if Misty was with Ron at all today?

I haven't kept up much here today, been reading docs at the CA board..

[JD1974]

I know I am putting on the rose colored glasses again but maybe they found her alive????

[museumgirl]

It's not going to be good.... that pit of my stomach alarm... I would be glad to be wrong.... but.....

[kitty1182]

I know I am putting on the rose colored glasses again but maybe they found her alive????

I sure hope so!!!!!!

[crymeariver2006]

IIRC the Smart family was told to come to the police station.
It was at the police station that the family was reunited with their daughter Elizabeth.

Let's hope they found her alive....

Man wouldn't that be something!

[JD1974]

Whether they find her alive or not.... this is not going to end well. Either she's been hurt and/or abused.... or worse.

:sad:

I am holding out hope they have found her and she is being reuinted with them..

[FreeCell]

I know I am putting on the rose colored glasses again but maybe they found her alive????


I have the same glasses on.
Let's hope...

[playnice]

I am holding out hope they have found her and she is being reuinted with them..

Saying a prayer here.

[JD1974]

It's not going to be good.... that pit of my stomach alarm... I would be glad to be wrong.... but.....

My gut says this isn't good, my heart is holding out hope she was found alive...hard arguing with yourself!

[GentleBreeze]

IIRC the Smart family was told to come to the police station.
It was at the police station that the family was reunited with their daughter Elizabeth.

Let's hope they found her alive....


:rose: I pray they have found her alive and well.

But they also will call all the family together when it is bad news too.

imoo

[juliekan]

Anyone know a link for the presser? TIA

[playnice]

Praying its good news. If LE picked Ron up my gut is telling me its bad news and they want to be with Ron because he is going to lose it.

[3Monkeys]

IIRC the Smart family was told to come to the police station.
It was at the police station that the family was reunited with their daughter Elizabeth.

Let's hope they found her alive....

That's a hopeful thought... I'm going to hang onto that one....!

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder if its as simple and mundane as they've decided to keep the family more informed.

Poor Teresa Nevas, the grandmother was blindsided by the information that the T-shirt was found - and she didn't know where. It seems so unkind to make the family wait until press conferences to hear details along with the general public.

It seems to me if they'd located remains, TV news crews would spot it and know it with their police scanners.

You would think so but LE seemed to want the searches less known. They said they would be searching where the investigation is leading them.

imoo

[kitty1182]

Praying its good news. If LE picked Ron up my gut is telling me its bad news and they want to be with Ron because he is going to lose it.

I think you may be right!!

[Tia]

Praying its good news. If LE picked Ron up my gut is telling me its bad news and they want to be with Ron because he is going to lose it.


Doesn't sound good, but still hoping.

[Kelly3820]

LE are making sure that family knows first before the public is informed. I sick to my stomach cause I don't think it is good news. What about Haleigh's mom is she going to be brought in?

[lune3]

Anyone know whether there were any land searches going on early this morning?

[playnice]

Prayers for Ron & Crystal.

[lune3]

Praying its good news. If LE picked Ron up my gut is telling me its bad news and they want to be with Ron because he is going to lose it.

Yes, I can't think of any other reason why they'd want an officer with him.

[crymeariver2006]

They *could* just be bringing them in for more questioning. LE did say they would continue to re-interview family members.

I'm struck by Misty not being with Ron when he was taken to the Sheriff's Department. If it were for anything other than routine questioning or interviews, it seems the rest of the family has considered Misty a "member of the family" and he would want her there for any bad or good news.

Just thinkin' out loud here.

[juliekan]

Cnn.com has been running them. But you have to be quick - they don't have ANY lead time, you get the link when the conference starts.

Thanks :smile: Do they pop up on the main page, or on the videos page? TIA

[Regina.Lampert]

Where is misty? Has she been taken to the Sheriff's office too or been asked to come? If not, you can bet this isn't good news.

If Ronald is being told misty lied, they should probably put her in protective custody cuz Ronald is going to go ballistic, imo.

[kitty1182]

LE are making sure that family knows first before the public is informed. I sick to my stomach cause I don't think it is good news. What about Haleigh's mom is she going to be brought in?

Haleighs mom, dad and grandma is at police station...

[crymeariver2006]

LE are making sure that family knows first before the public is informed. I sick to my stomach cause I don't think it is good news. What about Haleigh's mom is she going to be brought in?

Crystal's mother was asked to bring her in.

[Adalena935]

update

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17

Thank you so much for posting that. Just home for a few minutes and saw this.

[crymeariver2006]

Where is misty? Has she been taken to the Sheriff's office too or been asked to come? If not, you can bet this isn't good news.

If Ronald is being told misty lied, they should probably put her in protective custody cuz Ronald is going to go ballistic, imo.

Yeah, it could be that pink shirt was her "un-doing".

[StickyBeak]

I want to believe it is good news or LE just going over the case and any developments. Eliminating the need to go to seperate residences, they just brought them in. But, the lead LE escorting Ron does not give me a good feeling along with no Misty. If she had been escorted to command center I am sure news hounds would have notified us by now.

Prayers for Haleigh :rose:

[Kelly3820]

Thanks for the info. Now Ron is coming in with the lead detective and how is Misty coming in or is she already there?

[desmom]

A poster (page 5) at http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17 stated her mother called Channel 4 and was told the police ask them to with hold this information until the news conference at 4.

[jewel6]

They *could* just be bringing them in for more questioning. LE did say they would continue to re-interview family members.

I'm struck by Misty not being with Ron when he was taken to the Sheriff's Department. If it were for anything other than routine questioning or interviews, it seems the rest of the family has considered Misty a "member of the family" and he would want her there for any bad or good news.

Just thinkin' out loud here.

they told marie to bring crystal in. :sad: