Tuesday Feb 17 - # 1

[desmom]

A new thread for a new day.

:rose: Haleigh

[desmom]

Candles for Haleigh

:rose::rose::rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei


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[bluwaters]

Good morning desmom!
Thanks for all of the news links.
Praying that Haleigh comes home today.

[msgatorslayer]

One week later: Where's Haleigh?
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/17/news/news01.txt

County's support touches families; expressions of caring flow from kindergartners, neighbors, officials
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/17/news/news02.txt

G'morning.

Does the one grama give a reason as to why she thinks Haleigh is in Georgia or Alabama?:confused: Does she have a perp in mind?

[bluwaters]

G'morning.

Does the one grama give a reason as to why she thinks Haleigh is in Georgia or Alabama?:confused: Does she have a perp in mind?

Puzzling, isn't it?
I think it may be a gut feeling of hers, but I hope that LE is asking her why she said that.

Tim Miller also said in an interview about leaving that Haleigh is not there.
I don't know what made him say that either.
Of course, he could mean that the area has been thoroughly searched and they know where Haleigh is not.

Still, some are saying that there are still areas that have not been searched.

Was TES asked to leave?
I don't know why that has been reported.
Sheriff Hardy seemed surprised when he was questioned about that at the presser.

One week now that Haleigh has been gone. :sad:

Off to work.
I'm praying that Haleigh is found and I will the read news of it here when I come back.

[Armchairdet]

G'morning.

Does the one grama give a reason as to why she thinks Haleigh is in Georgia or Alabama?:confused: Does she have a perp in mind?

That seems so strange to me imo. Why would the grandma have a gut feeling that she is in one of two other states without having a perp in mind. I mean, she didn't say 'somewhere farther away' or 'somewhere else' or even, 'has been taken out of the state'. No she had it narrowed down to Georgia or Alabama, but not narrowed down to which one. So to me it just seemed like an odd remark. IMO

[msgatorslayer]

That seems so strange to me imo. Why would the grandma have a gut feeling that she is in one of two other states without having a perp in mind. I mean, she didn't say 'somewhere farther away' or 'somewhere else' or even, 'has been taken out of the state'. No she had it narrowed down to Georgia or Alabama, but not narrowed down to which one. So to me it just seemed like an odd remark. IMO

Definately! It suggests that she thinks she knows who took Haleigh and she knows the person well enough to know their stomping grounds.

[CelticDawn]

I was discussing this with an associate last night, and he said this:


Grandma has a hunch.
TES Tim Miller says she is "not here".
Sexual predators being surveilled.
Residences have been searched.

Official discontinuation of the search locally.


Once the search is discontinued and other possibiklities are being exploerd....IF THE PERP IS LOCAL and has Hayleigh and is keeping her alive for <God knows what reasons>....He will then lower his guard and make a mistake.....


I think that LE has a pretty good idea of who. It's just discovering where and how now.




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I, on the other hand am not so optimistic and have a bad feeling about this. I believe that something happened to her earlier in thde evening or perhaps late afternoon, and that Misty knows what that was.

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Praying she will be found today..

[CelticDawn]

That seems so strange to me imo. Why would the grandma have a gut feeling that she is in one of two other states without having a perp in mind. I mean, she didn't say 'somewhere farther away' or 'somewhere else' or even, 'has been taken out of the state'. No she had it narrowed down to Georgia or Alabama, but not narrowed down to which one. So to me it just seemed like an odd remark. IMO

Perhaps there is a distant relative that is estranged from the family that has at one time or another expressed concerns for Hayleigh's upbringing or lack thereof who may have the wherewithall to remove the child?

[8BellesFan]

Good morning..Praying she will be found today..


Mornin. I hope they find her today. Gotta go read the links. Been at work for three days.

[Armchairdet]

Perhaps there is a distant relative that is estranged from the family that has at one time or another expressed concerns for Hayleigh's upbringing or lack thereof who may have the wherewithall to remove the child?

Then that would mean yes she does have someone in mind, and that she does not know where that person lives or is other than it would be one of the two states she mentioned. Possible I suppose. Not very probable imo. But if it is then I am sure she will be sharing the name of this distant estranged relative that was in Haleighs life at least long enough to decide for themselves she needed saving. Which is not so estranged imo. But, you never know.

[kitty1182]

Perhaps there is a distant relative that is estranged from the family that has at one time or another expressed concerns for Hayleigh's upbringing or lack thereof who may have the wherewithall to remove the child?

That's a good possibility.....:thumbup:

[Armchairdet]

That's a good possibility.....:thumbup:

But leave her little brother? I don't know. Anythings possible. I know one thing, nobody has found her yet and it has been a long time. The thought that someone took her because they believed they could care for her better is a far more pleasing thought for me than any other alternative at this point. I would like to believe it, I really would. But I don't think that is what happened. IMO

[Kara]

Perhaps the grandmother chose Alabama and Georgia because they are neighboring states and she simply believes a perp would cross state lines as quickly as possible...

[Tia]

Authorities Hold Briefing On Missing Girl
A news conference is held with the latest on Haleigh Cummings. Watch it live on
WESH.com at 9:30 a.m.

MORE DETAILS: http://www.wesh.com/video/16456665/index.html?treets=orl&tml=orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_1_07350102172009

[playnice]

Someone please give update on the briefing for those that cant watch it at work?
TIA. I really do appreciate the kindness of those that keep us informed.

[Armchairdet]

Thank you Tia.

[Tia]

Someone please give update on the briefing for those that cant watch it at work?
TIA. I really do appreciate the kindness of those that keep us informed.

All I get are the email alerts, I can't watch either so I really count on those who can!

[Armchairdet]

I'll watch.

[Rick777]

I'm not psychic, but this is how I see the morning presser update going..

"No comment"

"I can't answer that at this time"

"If I answer that, it could hamper the investigation"

"We have looked into that, but I can't tell you what we know"

guh.

[SavannahStar]

Press conference on CNN right now - 8:30 a.m. - promising new leads developed last night. Won't disclose, they're following up today.

Sounds promising!

[JD1974]

Talking about a checkpoint they did last night, missed some people the first time they did a "knock and talk"

ETA Press conference at 4pm

[trich]

It is on now...and of course they don not want to devulge anything so far
working on timeline but won't say anything,
following tips etc.
press conference at 4 p,m today.

[Armchairdet]

Presser at 4pm today imo.

[3Monkeys]

I lost the signal, but just before I did, the said 'no comment' to the question as to whether Misty had access to a car or not.
ETA, actually they said 'no comment' a lot.

[jasperflax]

Somewhat useless presser IMO...no questions were answered.

I understand sensitive info cannot be revealed...but then don't have a presser if you essentially have nothing to say...

[playnice]

Maybe they will know who has/took her and know where she is by 4:00.

[WillowInFlight]

I lost the signal, but just before I did, the said 'no comment' to the question as to whether Misty had access to a car or not.
ETA, actually they said 'no comment' a lot.

I did see Misty on the morning news, she said she was told she did pass the LD, but because it's been a week she can't remember any of the questions they asked her. :confused:

[jewel6]

Talking about a checkpoint they did last night, missed some people the first time they did a "knock and talk"

ETA Press conference at 4pm

missed some people! yikes :scared: jmo

[3Monkeys]

Somewhat useless presser IMO...no questions were answered.

I understand sensitive info cannot be revealed...but then don't have a presser if you essentially have nothing to say...

I was just about to post the exact same thing.

[Regina.Lampert]

I found it very interesting that everyone is still a suspect, they have not ruled anyone out.

[jewel6]

Per WESH......duct tape on Caylee Anthony implicates Casey......

See ya casey! jmo Wonder if she can lie her way out of that one?:cursing:

[kitty1182]

I did see Misty on the morning news, she said she was told she did pass the LD, but because it's been a week she can't remember any of the questions they asked her. :confused:

:confused::confused:

[Regina.Lampert]

Somewhat useless presser IMO...no questions were answered.

I understand sensitive info cannot be revealed...but then don't have a presser if you essentially have nothing to say...

Could it be a tactic to put pressure on certain people?

[playnice]

Good. :thumbsup:

[jewel6]

Could it be a tactic to put pressure on certain people?

I think that must be the only reason. why not just wait until Their usual press conference at 4:00 jmo

[3Monkeys]

I did see Misty on the morning news, she said she was told she did pass the LD, but because it's been a week she can't remember any of the questions they asked her. :confused:

I thought she was advised not to talk to reporters? I think it would be best if this family had a spokesperson to answer any questions.

I don't have a strong opinion as to what happened, although I'm leaning towards abduction by someone who knew the family, even if just as an acquaintance. Also JMO.

[Armchairdet]

I did see Misty on the morning news, she said she was told she did pass the LD, but because it's been a week she can't remember any of the questions they asked her. :confused:

I could see that to be honest. I mean, not unable to remember ANY questions. But I get nervous in social situations as it is, even fun stuff like Christmas parties. But if there is a crime or accident that I witness I have a lot of problem remembering details. (And I have not witnessed anything as serious as Misty did that night imo) I just sort of shut down or something, it is hard to explain. Later I can recall more. I don't know, between knowing the less I say the better, and not remembering a lot, I could see myself sitting right there along with her, 'not remembering'. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

:confused::confused:

She was on with the grandmother, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why she was there, there was very little that she had to say.
She was asked how if Misty was sleeping 4 feet from Haleigh, why she didn't wake up, and Misty said " I don't know, I was exhausted that night". I still don't believe she harmed Haleigh, but I am starting to question if she was even there at the time.

[playnice]

I could see that to be honest. I mean, not unable to remember ANY questions. But I get nervous in social situations as it is, even fun stuff like Christmas parties. But if there is a crime or accident that I witness I have a lot of problem remembering details. (And I have not witnessed anything as serious as Misty did that night imo) I just sort of shut down or something, it is hard to explain. Later I can recall more. I don't know, between knowing the less I say the better, and not remembering a lot, I could see myself sitting right there along with her, 'not remembering'. IMO

They are tired , stressed out and worried. Days have gone by and they probably cant even remember what they said yesterday let alone a week ago.

[kitty1182]

She was on with the grandmother, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why she was there, there was very little that she had to say.
She was asked how if Misty was sleeping 4 feet from Haleigh, why she didn't wake up, and Misty said " I don't know, I was exhausted that night". I still don't believe she harmed Haleigh, but I am starting to question if she was even there at the time.

Maybe since she can't remember the questions, she will give a different answer if interviewed again..:wink:

I still think she went off somewhere and left the door unlocked..

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. Thanks for the new thread, desmom.

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe since she can't remember the questions, she will give a different answer if interviewed again..:wink:

I still think she went off somewhere and left the door unlocked..

Could Haleigh have woken up and went out to find her and got snatched? In order for me to believe she was taken from the house I have to believe it was someone familiar with the family and someone that was keeping watch.

[SavannahStar]

They are tired , stressed out and worried. Days have gone by and they probably cant even remember what they said yesterday let alone a week ago.

That's how I look at it.

[Armchairdet]

That's how I look at it.

Well, that is what I was trying to say. I am just long winded. :tonguewag:

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe since she can't remember the questions, she will give a different answer if interviewed again..:wink:

I still think she went off somewhere and left the door unlocked..

Or didn't close it back all the way after she took out the trash, did all that cleaning, and got the blanket out of the dryer.

I'm not comfortable with all the cleaning, garbage removal, and laundry that was supposedly done that night. And then there's the missing blanket....

IMO

[JD1974]

Or didn't close it back all the way after she took out the trash, did all that cleaning, and got the blanket out of the dryer.

I'm not comfortable with all the cleaning, garbage removal, and laundry that was supposedly done that night. And then there's the missing blanket....

IMO


Not even sure there is a missing blanket, they may have gotten it..that's the thing we really know nothing other than Haleigh is missing and 911 was called at 3:27 am

[crymeariver2006]

Can someone help me understand why it is in the Caylee Anthony case there were so many information leaks and document dumps that we knew a lot of information all along and then why in this case there's nothing but "no comment"? It's the same state I'm just wondering why there is such a difference in available information.

Thank you in advance.

Because there was an arrest almost immediately after Caylee was reported missing. We don't have that in this case.

As soon as there is (IF there is), the documents will be released more than likely, unless the release would hinder the investigation.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

Can someone help me understand why it is in the Caylee Anthony case there were so many information leaks and document dumps that we knew a lot of information all along and then why in this case there's nothing but "no comment"? It's the same state I'm just wondering why there is such a difference in available information.

Thank you in advance.

Someone explained this real well the other day. I will probably make a mess of it myself.....but the gist of it is....someone has been arrested in the Caylee case, so evidence made available through discovery is available to us. This case is different because no one has been arrested.

Maybe someone smarter than me can elaborate. :mellow:

[JD1974]

I think the investigators in the Caylee case were WAY off base releasing everything they knew, all the time. Especially releasing the identity, address and work place of the false Zaneida Gonzales (taking a huge toll on her, and getting her fired) and releasing the audio of phone calls between Casey from the jail cell. I really couldn't believe how unprofessionally they were behaving.

In this case, they're acting more like a responsible LE agency, not a tellall tabloid.


I agree, some things should of not been released but this is different, no one has been arrested for anything...yet. I asked the same question earlier and then realized she had been charged with a crime which is why they could release all that they did.

[AMS]

Someone explained this real well the other day. I will probably make a mess of it myself.....but the gist of it is....someone has been arrested in the Caylee case, so evidence made available through discovery is available to us. This case is different because no one has been arrested.

Maybe someone smarter than me can elaborate. :mellow:

I think you explained it well. Thanks.

[crymeariver2006]

Not even sure there is a missing blanket, they may have gotten it..that's the thing we really know nothing other than Haleigh is missing and 911 was called at 3:27 am

That's true enough! We don't have confirmation of much of anything here.

[n/t]

They came on to announce a presser at 4? Is that all? Where are they searching? Is it anywhere close to where TES was? I'm wondering if TES found something that led them to wherever they are now.

[jewel6]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story?track=rss

Wonder who the missed when they went door to door? jmo

[Kelly3820]

Thats weird. I wonder if they have plans to arrest someone and by 4 should have all their ducks in a row by 4. Why not announce what they want to announce now???

[jewel6]

Thats weird. I wonder if they have plans to arrest someone and by 4 should have all their ducks in a row by 4. Why not announce what they want to announce now???

something must be up! JMO

[royals02]

Did someone say there is going to be a presser at 4 cuz I just read on the Casey Anthony thread that THEY are having a presser at 4....now can someone tell me, am I confusing the 2 or are there actually going to be 2 different pressers at 4. Thanks

[playnice]

2 cases goin on people are just getting the threads mixed up. Easy to do.

[ConchGirl]

Did someone say there is going to be a presser at 4 cuz I just read on the Casey Anthony thread that THEY are having a presser at 4....now can someone tell me, am I confusing the 2 or are there actually going to be 2 different pressers at 4. Thanks

Don't know about the Casey case, but LE said they will have a presser every day at 4 in the Haleigh case.

[Armchairdet]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story?track=rss

Wonder who the missed when they went door to door? jmo

People who were not home at the time. IMO

[Kelly3820]

Did someone say there is going to be a presser at 4 cuz I just read on the Casey Anthony thread that THEY are having a presser at 4....now can someone tell me, am I confusing the 2 or are there actually going to be 2 different pressers at 4. Thanks


The details on page 1 of this thread. Sounds like they (LE) had something 9:30 am this morning to announce that they will have a presser at 4 today in Haleigh's case. I haven't heard about CA's case.

[Rick777]

what I can't get past is a stranger, nor a relative with evil intentions would turn that kitchen light on!

[Regina.Lampert]

Did someone say there is going to be a presser at 4 cuz I just read on the Casey Anthony thread that THEY are having a presser at 4....now can someone tell me, am I confusing the 2 or are there actually going to be 2 different pressers at 4. Thanks

Hope I didn't confuse you over there, the PC is happening at 4pm on the Haleigh case, no PC in the Caylee case.

[Mimi428]

Maybe since she can't remember the questions, she will give a different answer if interviewed again..:wink:

I still think she went off somewhere and left the door unlocked..

She seems to be confused about so many things, I just don't quite know what to make of it. I can't figure out if it is more likely that she is simply that way, day in & day out - or if it is more likely that the confusion is situational. I would be more than confused if I went to sleep with two children in the room with me & then woke up to find one of them completely gone w/o a reasonable explanation.

Then I have to factor in that whatever state of clarity or confusion she started off with - it is probably being compounded by Ron's behavior. Perhaps when she was with LE & not in Ron's presence she was less confused. We just have no way to know at this time.

I am also concerned about the huge disparity in the way Ron was seemingly out of control & hollaring about killing somebody for taking his child - & his overt statements that he is sure that Misty could not have done anything.

Seems to me that at some point, with his volatile temperment, that he would have had at least one short episode of screaming & hollaring at HER - carrying on about "what did you do?! what have you done? where were you? how could you have slept through that?". If he did, then later calmed down & said it was all done in the stress of the moment, that would be a bit more understandable to me.

Ron is sticking with Misty & defending her, but the thought does occur to me that he may WANT to have her near him, so he can monitor what she says, what she does. If I had to choose between the two of them only, I would be more inclined to think he has the temperment to harm one of the children.

Too confusing.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

what I can't get past is a stranger, nor a relative with evil intentions would turn that kitchen light on!

Thats why I think it was someone that was familiar with them, someone that wasn't worried about being caught in the house, or someone that knew Misty wasn't in the house.

[JD1974]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story?track=rss

Wonder who the missed when they went door to door? jmo

I don't know but when I read heard him say that, it gave me the chills....

[kitty1182]

Thats why I think it was someone that was familiar with them, someone that wasn't worried about being caught in the house, or someone that knew Misty wasn't in the house.

I agree....Someone could have been sitting at the kitchen table with a shotgun, a stranger would not have known this..

[JD1974]

Did someone say there is going to be a presser at 4 cuz I just read on the Casey Anthony thread that THEY are having a presser at 4....now can someone tell me, am I confusing the 2 or are there actually going to be 2 different pressers at 4. Thanks


I watched the guy earlier, he said they are having a press conf at 4. It was when the reporters were trying to ask more questions right at the end.

[march27]

I wish LE would come out and state that Ron has a solid alabi (definately at work all night) and Haleigh was seen by other people after Ron left. I was really leaning toward Haleigh wandered off somewhere (maybe sleepwalking) but I wouldnt think a body would be to hard to find if that was the case. If she was taken from her room by an intruder thats definately a possibility but at this point I'm really not even clear on where she was sleeping. I can see an intruder taking her from her bedroom but not the same room where two other people were sleeping. Theres no way someone would be able to take my daughter out of my bed without me waking up. Imo Misty doesnt have anything directly to do with her disappearance but I do see her not being there and Haleigh being taken or wandering off but again everyday that goes by with no body makes wandering off less likely to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

Perhaps someone has remembered seeing a vehicle leaving the cummings residence during the critical hours of say 9pm and 3am?

[StickyBeak]

I don't know but when I read heard him say that, it gave me the chills....


I am wondering what the Out of State leads could be, also other areas of Florida. All tips received overnight. The visiting cousin perhaps?
Article also mentions evidence. Very tight lipped IMO

[tybek]

He has been missing since Feb. 1, Haleigh since Feb. 9. If he were the one who took Haleigh, it seems strange for him to go missing so far in advance of her disappearance. Unless he also committed another crime around Feb. 1 and went missing for that reason. Just a thought... (and jmo)

[JD1974]

I am wondering what the Out of State leads could be, also other areas of Florida. All tips received overnight. The visiting cousin perhaps?
Article also mentions evidence. Very tight lipped IMO

Yes they are, I think they have a lead on something though. Just my feeling on that...

[jewel6]

Yes they are, I think they have a lead on something though. Just my feeling on that...

Hopefully at 4:00 we will know something. Why wouls they have a early one? I think they might be trying to scare someone or preparing the public. i hope! jmo

[march27]

Does anyone know if Ron and Misty are still sleeping in a tent?

[CC I See]

Puzzling, isn't it?
I think it may be a gut feeling of hers, but I hope that LE is asking her why she said that.

Tim Miller also said in an interview about leaving that Haleigh is not there.
I don't know what made him say that either.
Of course, he could mean that the area has been thoroughly searched and they know where Haleigh is not.

Still, some are saying that there are still areas that have not been searched.

Was TES asked to leave?I don't know why that has been reported.
Sheriff Hardy seemed surprised when he was questioned about that at the presser.

One week now that Haleigh has been gone. :sad:

Off to work.
I'm praying that Haleigh is found and I will the read news of it here when I come back. TES has an explantion on the website as to why they have stopped searching.... http://texasequusearch.org/

[Dunlurken]

Someone explained this real well the other day. I will probably make a mess of it myself.....but the gist of it is....someone has been arrested in the Caylee case, so evidence made available through discovery is available to us. This case is different because no one has been arrested.

Maybe someone smarter than me can elaborate. :mellow:You stated it exactly right. Since no one has been arrested YET, no discovery is available. JMO.

[Kelly3820]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling the LE in this case are really keeping the public in the dark..............:mad:




YES!!!! I sure do!

[SavannahStar]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling the LE in this case are really keeping the public in the dark..............:mad:


I don't really see anything wrong with that though.

[Motomom]

Hey everyone. I'm curious about something, when did little Adji go missin? And is the area close to where Haleigh comes from?

I think she's alive. I'm assuming that the maternal grandmother went to the police and shared her feelings. Maybe she explained why to them. Hopefully the 4 o'clock pc will be good news.

[tybek]

TES has an explantion on the website as to why they have stopped searching.... http://texasequusearch.org/

I went to the site but maybe I'm missing something...I didn't see an explanation as to why they stopped searching, only that LE called off their massive search and TE was stopping and leaving. TE often searches on their own without LE. Are you taking this to imply TE stopped because LE called off the LE official search, or that LE MADE them stop searching, or did I miss something else entirely on their site? Thanks.

[Kelly3820]

I also think that if they had evidence that they would his/her face plastered all over the public airways along their vehicle and they would be on the hunt. If they beleive it was someone in their family I can see way they would be playing it close cause that person is not going anywhere. But perhaps they really don't have much and their in the dark thats what scares me. It will be like she just vanished.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't really see anything wrong with that though.

No, me either, and I do believe that LE knows a lot more than what they are saying, may be we will hear more this afternoon.

[Kelly3820]

Hey everyone. I'm curious about something, when did little Adji go missin? And is the area close to where Haleigh comes from?

I think she's alive. I'm assuming that the maternal grandmother went to the police and shared her feelings. Maybe she explained why to them. Hopefully the 4 o'clock pc will be good news.

It is her gut feeling. I believe that Haleigh was taken out of FL. Just have that feeling.

[tybek]

I don't really see anything wrong with that though.


ITA. There also may be info. that they don't want to make public. They may have an idea of what happened, who is responsible, but may be trying to not say what they know as part of their strategy. I remember with Jessie Davis, police suspected Bobby Cutts right away but they held their cards pretty close to their chest and even said he wasn't a "person of interest" until they had proof positive for a solid arrest.

[Kelly3820]

Can it be legal if the LE lied to Ron and Misty and told that they passed the poly if they didn't? I don't believe Ron and Misty hurt Haleigh but I think LE feels differently about that.

[penguinlady]

Hey everyone. I'm curious about something, when did little Adji go missin? And is the area close to where Haleigh comes from?

I think she's alive. I'm assuming that the maternal grandmother went to the police and shared her feelings. Maybe she explained why to them. Hopefully the 4 o'clock pc will be good news.

I am not quite sure where Satsuma is, though I BELIEVE it is in north west Fl (not the panhandle) and Adji disappeard from South Florida down near Miami (IIRC). They are pretty far apart.

IMO
K!

[CC I See]

I went to the site but maybe I'm missing something...I didn't see an explanation as to why they stopped searching, only that LE called off their massive search and TE was stopping and leaving. TE often searches on their own without LE. Are you taking this to imply TE stopped because LE called off the LE official search, or that LE MADE them stop searching, or did I miss something else entirely on their site? Thanks.... on last nights thread there was a direct link around mid evening CST.

[Rick777]

I don't really see anything wrong with that though.

Really? If it were your kid missing, wouldn't you want all public eyes looking for her? That means letting the public know POTENTIAL things to look for. Every minute counts!

[Anni]

So this RSO James A Padgett, he is Misti's cousin and he is missing and has ties to Georgia and Alabama. Am I Right?

The night Haleigh went missing her brother and 2 cousins came over earlier that day.

The 2 cousins with her brother would be her HER cousins, not Haleigh and Jr's cousins. NO blood relation there at all. (Where is it said it was H and Jrs cousins)?

WHO were the 2 cousins? James A Padgett and ... Possibly??
It seems This RSO James A Padgett is missing?

(This has nothing to do with the missing RSO Chad Reynold, please don't try and confuse the issue as some did yesterday.)

eta~ JAP is 25ish? Is he the cousin who had previously ''messed w/ Misti" and had taken the gun on a prior visit to the trailer?

[Amy]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling the LE in this case are really keeping the public in the dark..............:mad:

If it works to get to the bottom of where Haleigh is and who took her, power to them. Altho I like all the info I can get, I also think in so many cases, too much info is put out. I think everything should be held close to the vest. Let them investigate, apprehend and charge someone with the crime, and present the evidence in court. I think it's to prosecution's advantage every bit as much to defense's to not have every little detail published in the papers or aired on GVS or NG.

[SavannahStar]

I really think they are doing a great job of searching and investigating.

if they were to open their mouths and say hey this guy over here gave us this information . . .there would be a mob scene of lookyloos with teddy bears and flowers camped out in front of their residence carrying banners and shouting at them.

Keeping things a little quieter is the only way to prevent the insanity of cases like the Laci Peterson or Caylee Anthony case, where the public thinks they have a right to intrude and express their opinions loudly.

More power to this LE team!

Wow......early Post of the Day award from me.....especially the part I bolded. :thumbsup:

[tybek]

I really think they are doing a great job of searching and investigating.

if they were to open their mouths and say hey this guy over here gave us this information . . .there would be a mob scene of lookyloos with teddy bears and flowers camped out in front of their residence carrying banners and shouting at them.

Keeping things a little quieter is the only way to prevent the insanity of cases like the Laci Peterson or Caylee Anthony case, where the public thinks they have a right to intrude and express their opinions loudly.

More power to this LE team!


I also think that with extremely high profile cases, we get so much info. coming from resources other than LE (primarily the media, & folks Nancy Grace et al interviewing everyone and their brother...) that we may forget that often very little of the early information we get actually comes from LE directly. So maybe we have a unrealistic expectation that LE should be telling us much more than reasonable.

[Mimi428]

Can it be legal if the LE lied to Ron and Misty and told that they passed the poly if they didn't? I don't believe Ron and Misty hurt Haleigh but I think LE feels differently about that.

The police are under absolutely NO obligation to tell you the truth.

I seriously doubt that anyone in this case was told they "passed" their polygraph, simply because I do not think the police are going to say that in the first place - to anyone.

For all we know, Ron & Misty took their polygraphs, the police said, "thank you very much", the two of them left & decided on their own that they must have "passed". IOW, if they weren't immediately confronted with LE saying, "you lied, you are being deceptive", they figured they were in the clear.

JMO

[kitty1182]

JMO but maybe they got DNA back from the brick and they know who the subject is...

I also wonder if the phone calls to anywhere that day were checked out..

[Rick777]

snipped..

"Originally Posted by RachelRose
I really think they are doing a great job of searching and investigating."

based on?????

[CC I See]

I also wonder if the phone calls to anywhere that day were checked out..... my bets are on fingerprint evidence. Did they ever determine if the cinder block was from the outside yard or was brought to the scene?

[penguinlady]

I am not quite sure where Satsuma is, though I BELIEVE it is in north west Fl (not the panhandle) and Adji disappeard from South Florida down near Miami (IIRC). They are pretty far apart.

IMO
K!

Quoting myself...I am wrong (imagine that!). Satsuma looks to be more in the central part of the state. It seems to be located between Gainesville, Daytona Beach and St. Augustine.

Sorry..I should have realized that is was closer to the east coast when I read that Misty liked to go to Daytona.

IMO
K

[WillowInFlight]

So this RSO James A Padgett, he is Misti's cousin and he is missing and has ties to Georgia and Alabama. Am I Right?

The night Haleigh went missing her brother and 2 cousins came over earlier that day.

The 2 cousins with her brother would be her HER cousins, not Haleigh and Jr's cousins. NO blood relation there at all. (Where is it said it was H and Jrs cousins)?

WHO were the 2 cousins? James A Padgett and ... Possibly??
It seems This RSO James A Padgett is missing?

(This has nothing to do with the missing RSO Chad Reynold, please don't try and confuse the issue as some did yesterday.)

eta~ JAP is 25ish? Is he the cousin who had previously ''messed w/ Misti" and had taken the gun on a prior visit to the trailer?
Why would anyone let a RSO near children?

[kitty1182]

... my bets are on fingerprint evidence. Did they ever determine if the cinder block was from the outside yard or was brought to the scene?

Don't know....

[penguinlady]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?


Because they are "family..they wouldn't hurt someone they "know"...

Is there a sarcasm smilie??

IMO
K

[kitty1182]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?

No one with a right mind..I wonder if Ron knew what this cousin had did..

[Mandysmom]

Hey everyone. I'm curious about something, when did little Adji go missin? And is the area close to where Haleigh comes from?

I think she's alive. I'm assuming that the maternal grandmother went to the police and shared her feelings. Maybe she explained why to them. Hopefully the 4 o'clock pc will be good news.

Little Adji went missing the first week of January I believe. I think it is in southern Fl that he was living when he was possibly abducted.

:sad:

[SavannahStar]

PCSO is doing what they should be doing and trying to avoid this from becoming a media circus.

JMO


Exactly! :thumbsup:

[ConchGirl]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?
Would anyone here let Ron & Misty babysit your kids?

[Mimi428]

I also wonder if the phone calls to anywhere that day were checked out..

That's the kind of stuff I really don't wonder about. I think LE knows what they are doing & I think in each & every case they are privy to information that nobody else is. We can only imagine what "dots" there might be in any particular case - they, OTOH, know about all sorts of "dots" & have made connections between "dots" that we know nothing about until much later on.

JMO

[Rick777]

Would anyone here let Ron & Misty babysit your kids?

uh no.........

[Anni]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?

Why do people harm children?

Heck, who knows why people do what they do, but they do...

[WillowInFlight]

Would anyone here let Ron & Misty babysit your kids?

That would be a NO.

[Rick777]

The good thing about this case is that it seems like they are still looking for a living person. Nobody has downgraded this to a body search as far as the vibes I get.

[KittenCakes7]

Original Police Report

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

[Rick777]

That would be a NO.


no fair Willy. Your kids are old enough to babysit themselves!:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

Why do people harm children?

Heck, who knows why people do what they do, but they do...

There is no way in heck I would ever allow a RSO around my kids, family or not.

[WillowInFlight]

no fair Willy. Your kids are old enough to babysit themselves!:biggrin:

Heck they are old enough to babysit me. LOL, Though when they were younger we were very selective who we had watch them.

[Dunlurken]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?

They walk amongst us. How many times have we seen offenders employed at elementary schools? Happens all the time.

(Sorry, been doing laundry. Playing catch up again.)

[Anni]

There is no way in heck I would ever allow a RSO around my kids, family or not.

I'm glad to hear. I wouldn't either but thats us. Now stop, this is ridiculous...

[Rick777]

Heck they are old enough to babysit me. LOL, Though when they were younger we were very selective who we had watch them.

hahaha...well they will be caring for you in the Old Folks home soon enough! hehehehehe

You are right, you HAFTA be selective, and you need nanny cam.:smile:

[sinagua]

I had originally been in the "support Misty corner." I didn't care about her age.

But, learning that she just turned 17, was the clincher for me. She obviously had too much responsibility caring for these 2 children.

I wish that the police could drug test everyone involved in these types of cases, when they first become involved. If you are clean, great.

We are losing precious children every day, because of SOs or parents that aren't prepared to care for their children.

[WillowInFlight]

They walk amongst us. How many times have we seen offenders employed at elementary schools? Happens all the time.

(Sorry, been doing laundry. Playing catch up again.)

I'm talking about the cousin, who is a RSO, a person that you can choose to keep out of your children's lives.

[Dunlurken]

Original Police Report

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Great link. Hope you put it on the links thread. JMO.

"Dumb a** girlfriend". Love that remark from Ron. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

hahaha...well they will be caring for you in the Old Folks home soon enough! hehehehehe

You are right, you HAFTA be selective, and you need nanny cam.:smile:

You listen hear sonny. :sneaky:

[3Monkeys]

So this RSO James A Padgett, he is Misti's cousin and he is missing and has ties to Georgia and Alabama. Am I Right?

The night Haleigh went missing her brother and 2 cousins came over earlier that day.

The 2 cousins with her brother would be her HER cousins, not Haleigh and Jr's cousins. NO blood relation there at all. (Where is it said it was H and Jrs cousins)?

WHO were the 2 cousins? James A Padgett and ... Possibly??
It seems This RSO James A Padgett is missing?

(This has nothing to do with the missing RSO Chad Reynold, please don't try and confuse the issue as some did yesterday.)

eta~ JAP is 25ish? Is he the cousin who had previously ''messed w/ Misti" and had taken the gun on a prior visit to the trailer?

Anni,

1) Misty had her brother and her nephews over that night, from an interview with GVS:

"VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

2) Padgett, has never been confirmed to be a cousin of Misty's. How his name was arrived at on this board is as follows:

a) It was reported on GR that Misty named a cousin in TN as being suspicious. He messed with her when she was 13, and molested another cousin.
b) Someone on this board remembered seeing an article where relations in TN were coming down to FLA to help with the search. These relations were named Padgett
c) A search was done against the RSO db in TN against the name Padgett. Three names came up, one being J.A.P.
d) At the time of this board discussion, it was stated that there was NO PROOF to connect J.A.P as the cousin, only that he had the same name as relations in TN.

(eta this board discussion took place beginning around 10:30PM on Feb 15, if you want to see how it went down... assuming CW didn't remove any posts).

Please advise if you have other information that says anything different.... I thought I had discussed this same thing with you yesterday, but I may be confusing you with another poster. :smile:

FWIW, I did hear on GMA this morning that Misty's cousin from TN was visiting and left FLA shortly after Haleigh went missing. Did anyone else hear that too? I can't find a link for that, so I'll just say it's IMO.

[Dunlurken]

I'm talking about the cousin, who is a RSO, a person that you can choose to keep out of your children's lives.

Got it. Thanks for explaining. However, many "unregistered" sex offenders are in our lives as well.

But I see your point now. Thanks for the info.

[5boxersmom]

How far away does Misty's brothers live from her?

[HumblePie]

Great link. Hope you put it on the links thread. JMO.

"Dumb a** girlfriend". Love that remark from Ron. JMO.

I don't think it was a** but something much, more colorful. :blushing:

[Dunlurken]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.

[Anni]

Thank you 3monkeys, you spelled that out nicely. So it was nephews that came over, not cousins.

But this cousin from TN that left Fla at the time Haleigh went missing, WOW, what if his name is James A Padgett...Ugg

No, it was not me you chatted w/ yesterday, I couldn't get a straight answer to my Qs (nothin new). Didn't stick around to watch the Misti bash feast...

[JD1974]

Would anyone here let Ron & Misty babysit your kids?

Isn't that a odd question to ask people, if they would leave their kids with someone they have never even met?

[JD1974]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.

If we could charge people for being stupid, who would be left to man the jails?

[Dunlurken]

I know I'm O/T, but why do we have two links threads? :mad:

[crymeariver2006]

She seems to be confused about so many things, I just don't quite know what to make of it. I can't figure out if it is more likely that she is simply that way, day in & day out - or if it is more likely that the confusion is situational. I would be more than confused if I went to sleep with two children in the room with me & then woke up to find one of them completely gone w/o a reasonable explanation.

Then I have to factor in that whatever state of clarity or confusion she started off with - it is probably being compounded by Ron's behavior. Perhaps when she was with LE & not in Ron's presence she was less confused. We just have no way to know at this time.

I am also concerned about the huge disparity in the way Ron was seemingly out of control & hollaring about killing somebody for taking his child - & his overt statements that he is sure that Misty could not have done anything.

Seems to me that at some point, with his volatile temperment, that he would have had at least one short episode of screaming & hollaring at HER - carrying on about "what did you do?! what have you done? where were you? how could you have slept through that?". If he did, then later calmed down & said it was all done in the stress of the moment, that would be a bit more understandable to me.

Ron is sticking with Misty & defending her, but the thought does occur to me that he may WANT to have her near him, so he can monitor what she says, what she does. If I had to choose between the two of them only, I would be more inclined to think he has the temperment to harm one of the children.

Too confusing.

JMO

*Bolding mine

This may have occurred between the two 911 calls.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.


What should she be charged with? Oh...you said being stoopid.....:unsure:

What the "majority" on here thinks really doesn't count. What LE knows to be true or not true DOES count. You have no idea whatsoever if she is on drugs. There is no evidence that we know of to say she is on drugs. Don't know where you come up with that.

I'm not convinced she has lied about anything.

[Neffy]

Isn't that a odd question to ask people, if they would leave their kids with someone they have never even met?

Well we pretty much have their resumes so I don't think it's an odd question and my answer to both questions is NO.

[Dunlurken]

If we could charge people for being stupid, who would be left to man the jails?

We can charge them with neglect when a child is abducted out of the house in the middle of the night. Rack up a $500,000 bond until they can put a coherent sentence together. JMO.

I might give Ron a pass since he wasn't there. However, for him having a 17 year old girlfriend? He has charges coming his way. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Isn't that a odd question to ask people, if they would leave their kids with someone they have never even met?

It is very odd. Baiting? I don't know. Seems very out of place though.

[Rick777]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.


Are you still convinced that Chad Reynolds "Is our man!" ????

[Dunlurken]

What should she be charged with? Oh...you said being stoopid.....:unsure:

What the "majority" on here thinks really doesn't count. What LE knows to be true or not true DOES count. You have no idea whatsoever if she is on drugs. There is no evidence that we know of to say she is on drugs. Don't know where you come up with that.

I'm not convinced she has lied about anything.

I'm not convinced she has a clue what happened either. Either passed out or has some mental challenge. JMO.

[margaritaville]

Isn't that a odd question to ask people, if they would leave their kids with someone they have never even met?


no kidding....i was thinking the same thing....

I have never left my children with anyone but Grandparents and aunts and uncles (lucky i know). Now my oldest is 17......

I hope i can do the same for my kids when they have children.....that is my plan anyway....

[Dunlurken]

Are you still convinced that Chad Reynolds "Is our man!" ????

No. I frequently change my opinion. I like to discuss and debate to find out what actually happened. JMO.

[JD1974]

I'm not convinced she has a clue what happened either. Either passed out or has some mental challenge. JMO.


Why would you want her to be charged with neglect or being stupid if all she did was literally fall asleep after the kids went to bed? If that theory changes of course I will change my opinion.

[Mimi428]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.

What's your impression on why Ron is sticking by her? That whole scenario is strange to me. He is so upset when the police arrive that they can't get decent, useful information out of him & he tells them that he will shoot anyone they find who has his child. Yet...he has not turned that ferociousness towards Misty.

It just seems too incongruous to me. Now if the police arrived, he was too upset to give good info, he was hollaring about how he would kill the MF who had his child - AND - we found out he had slapped the living daylights out of the GF he describes as "dumb" - THAT, at least, would be somewhat consistent.

But he rants about killing, about shooting some unknown someone...yet...he directs no violence on the last person known to be with his child.

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. I really don't know what to make of it. But it does make me wonder if somewhere in all of this craziness he actually NEEDS Misty to provide a story of some sort. I wonder what Ron would do if Misty left & was out of contact with him (but not LE).

JMO

[tybek]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?

Don't know if you followed this case, there was a mom in my state tried for abuse because she failed to protect her daughter from being exposed to a known sex offender. Heck, she married him. His parole officer was the one who initially informed her that he was a RSO.

Then when her daughter later said he molested her, mom reported it to Dept. of Human Services who interviewed the girl, told the mom the allegations were reliable and warned her to not allow the man access the the child again. But mom evidently needed that man in her life and he again molested, then murdered the daughter. When the mom was convicted the judge said "I hope the rest of your days are filled with thoughts of how you let that real-life monster in her life," Oddly, he suspended her 5 yr sentence with five yrs of probation.

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2003/oct/14/murdered-girls-mother-convicted-of-abuse/

[Dunlurken]

Why would you want her to be charged with neglect or being stupid if all she did was literally fall asleep after the kids went to bed? If that theory changes of course I will change my opinion.

Where were the kids sleeping? She doesn't even know. For me, that is neglect. JMO. 4 inches away or 4 feet away. What a dufus Misty is, and Ron left her in charge of his two kids. Good Grief!

[JD1974]

no kidding....i was thinking the same thing....

I have never left my children with anyone but Grandparents and aunts and uncles (lucky i know). Now my oldest is 17......

I hope i can do the same for my kids when they have children.....that is my plan anyway....


I am just as lucky, I have quite a few family members including my older daughters who babysit when I need a sitter.

[crymeariver2006]

No one with a right mind..I wonder if Ron knew what this cousin had did..

Ron may not have known there was even a cousin....

He only knew Misty for a short period of time before they moved in together and she started babysitting.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

Ron may not have known there was even a cousin....

He only knew Misty for a short period of time before they moved in together and she started babysitting.

JMO

She needed a place to "squat". What a perfect situation for both of them. Ron gets a free babysitter, and she gets free room and board for doing the deed. JMO.

[JD1974]

Where were the kids sleeping? She doesn't even know. For me, that is neglect. JMO. 4 inches away or 4 feet away. What a dufus Misty is, and Ron left her in charge of his two kids. Good Grief!


Not knowing the difference between 4 inches and 4 feet I think is more nervousness and she confused the two terms.

[Dunlurken]

Not knowing the difference between 4 inches and 4 feet I think is more nervousness and she confused the two terms.

I think it's stupid. No wonder she didn't call 911. Wonder if she has a driver's liscense? anyone know. Was she able to pass the written test?

[WillowInFlight]

I think it's stupid. No wonder she didn't call 911. Wonder if she has a driver's liscense? anyone know. Was she able to pass the written test?

Why wouldn't she be able to pass a written test?

[jewel6]

We can charge them with neglect when a child is abducted out of the house in the middle of the night. Rack up a $500,000 bond until they can put a coherent sentence together. JMO.

I might give Ron a pass since he wasn't there. However, for him having a 17 year old girlfriend? He has charges coming his way. JMO.

I guess ruth lundsford and archie would be charged too. and the smarts oh and mark klass! JMO

[Dunlurken]

Why wouldn't she be able to pass a written test?

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between 4 inches and 4 feet, should not be on the road. I DO NOT believe she was in a state of panic. JMO.

[StickyBeak]

Not knowing the difference between 4 inches and 4 feet I think is more nervousness and she confused the two terms.

I found this site interesting, has alot of Rons reaction and Misty inconsistencies, JMO

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html


I thought Ron reactions odd and controlling. IMO

[katybar22]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.


I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.

[Dunlurken]

I found this site interesting, has alot of Rons reaction and Misty inconsistencies, JMO

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html


I thought Ron reactions odd and controlling. IMO
Been there, done that. Took my computer down. I won't click on that link. Thank you very much. JMO.

[CC I See]

Why would anyone let a RSO near children?..... families who love them and don't see a problem with them being with children. They seem to have a forgiving nature.

[SavannahStar]

I found this site interesting, has alot of Rons reaction and Misty inconsistencies, JMO

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html


I thought Ron reactions odd and controlling. IMO


That's been posted twice here already. I think it's a bunch of bunk myself.

[Mojen]

She needed a place to "squat". What a perfect situation for both of them. Ron gets a free babysitter, and she gets free room and board for doing the deed. JMO.

Wow, this is a really hateful thing to think, much less post.

[Dunlurken]

I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.

Then why is the trailer considered a "crime scene"? What did LE take out of the house that they will not let be known to the public. We can surmise. And we are usually correct. And no one has been allowed back into the trailer. Something stinks.
JMO.

[CC I See]

Why wouldn't she be able to pass a written test?... there were allegations that she could not read or write on an earlier thread because of her lack of education.

[tybek]

I found this site interesting, has alot of Rons reaction and Misty inconsistencies, JMO

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html


I thought Ron reactions odd and controlling. IMO

With all due respect, I don't put much value on the interpretations of how a person with a missing child "should" act, "should" cry, etc. I used to until Ed Smart referred to Elizabeth in past tense immediately after her disappearance. When asked about it in an interview, Marc Klaas said you really can't judge parents of missing kids by what they say, how they say it, because of their frame of mind at the time. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Wow, this is a really hateful thing to think, much less post.

It was ugly which is why I didn't quote it, FWIW. :smile:

[CC I See]

Then why is the trailer considered a "crime scene"? What did LE take out of the house that they will not let be known to the public. We can surmise. And we are usually correct. And no one has been allowed back into the trailer. Something stinks.
JMO..... I want to know what was in the dryer.

[katybar22]

Then why is the trailer considered a "crime scene"? What did LE take out of the house that they will not let be known to the public. We can surmise. And we are usually correct. And no one has been allowed back into the trailer. Something stinks.
JMO.

The child was abducted from the trailer. That was an easy one. And who is the "we" you are alluding to? As I look at the replies to your statements regarding Misty, you seem to stand alone.

[nothingnew]

I think it's stupid. No wonder she didn't call 911. Wonder if she has a driver's liscense? anyone know. Was she able to pass the written test?

Gee, does one need to know how to spell "license" to pass the test? SHE is young, very young, I wouldn't call her stupid.

[SavannahStar]

I think it's stupid. No wonder she didn't call 911. Wonder if she has a driver's liscense? anyone know. Was she able to pass the written test?

Hard to believe you post some of the things you do about that girl. :sad:

[CC I See]

It still hasen't been determined where Haleigh was sleeping, Misty could have been right when she said 4 inches if Haleigh was in the same bed and Ron was trying to say she wasn't.

JMO I thought that we were finally told that there were two mattresses on the floor. Misty and the boy was on one and Haleigh was on the other. They could have been 4 inches apart or 4 feet. Since those rooms are small, I would say 4 inches sounds more like it.

[StickyBeak]

With all due respect, I don't put much value on the interpretations of how a person with a missing child "should" act, "should" cry, etc. I used to until Ed Smart referred to Elizabeth in past tense immediately after her disappearance. When asked about it in an interview, Marc Klaas said you really can't judge parents of missing kids by what they say, how they say it, because of their frame of mind at the time. JMO


I suppose that is true, we all expect a victim to act and respond a certain way but after seeing Susan Smith I guess I became skeptical.
We don't know if there are previous allegations of abuse or neglect,
the stress they could be under. How do you look for your lost daughter and pay the bills, etc. while the fear of the unknown lurks.
I pray she is found soon and brought home safely.

[Spry]

I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.

My father had two kids by the age of 25; my mother was 20. In previous generations, people married at younger ages and had children and were perfectly responsible parents. I think a 25 year old guy with a 17 year old girl is odd anyway--and expecting her to watch his children is selfish. She is too young. Misty belongs in school. She does not need to be taking a break from school to babysit her boyfriend's children. I know they are probably economically strapped (who isn't?), but recruiting a girl this young was irresponsible. I know he has to provide for his kids and try to make as much money as possible, but he should have asked someone to look in on the kids--as well as Misty. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Hard to believe you post some of the things you do about that girl. :sad:

I think she's responsible. I'm Sorry. Beat me to death! She is responsible for what happened to Haleigh. Sorry! I check my doors every night. Granted I don't live in Florida, but I check stuff. Close the curtains, check the doors, especially when I have a young child in my house. JMO.

Don't people know how many nut jobs there are out there?

[JD1974]

My father had two kids by the age of 25; my mother was 20. In previous generations, people married at younger ages and had children and were perfectly responsible parents. I think a 25 year old guy with a 17 year old girl is odd anyway--and expecting her to watch his children is selfish. She is too young. Misty belongs in school. She does not need to be taking a break from school to babysit her boyfriend's children. I know they are probably economically strapped (who isn't?), but recruiting a girl this young was irresponsible. I know he has to provide for his kids and try to make as much money as possible, but he should have asked someone to look in on the kids--as well as Misty. JMO


We don't know that someone wasn't looking in on her and the kids...that's why there is so much rampant speculation...we don't know much of anything.

[katybar22]

My father had two kids by the age of 25; my mother was 20. In previous generations, people married at younger ages and had children and were perfectly responsible parents. I think a 25 year old guy with a 17 year old girl is odd anyway--and expecting her to watch his children is selfish. She is too young. Misty belongs in school. She does not need to be taking a break from school to babysit her boyfriend's children. I know they are probably economically strapped (who isn't?), but recruiting a girl this young was irresponsible. I know he has to provide for his kids and try to make as much money as possible, but he should have asked someone to look in on the kids--as well as Misty. JMO

Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.

[Mimi428]

*Bolding mine

This may have occurred between the two 911 calls.

JMO

Just to keep on the same line of thought - here is the part you were referring to...

Seems to me that at some point, with his volatile temperment, that he would have had at least one short episode of screaming & hollaring at HER - carrying on about "what did you do?! what have you done? where were you? how could you have slept through that?". If he did, then later calmed down & said it was all done in the stress of the moment, that would be a bit more understandable to me.

Remember, the police narrative clearly says he so upset as to be useless at the time they arrived...

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

D/S Bridges and I arrived on scene at the same time, 3:40. Upon our arrival, I observed a white male standing in the driveway who was visibibly upset. I made contact with the individual who identified himself as Ronald Cummings. Ronald told me that his daughter, Haleigh Cummings, 5, was missing.

Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which he owed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

It seems to me, that if he had struck Misty between the time he arrived home & the time LE arrived, it would have been very obvious. He wouldn't have given her a half of a slap, he would have knocked the daylights out of her...IF...he was in such a state that he was ready to pull out a gun & shoot someone!

It is completely contradictory that he makes a statement indicating his 'dumb (expletive deleted) GF' was present (with the inference that she could or should have prevented the abduction - & then makes it very plain that he is ready to kill the person who has (& harmed) his child - but he directs none of his self-proclaimed readiness to commit violence against the very person he JUST now said was there with the children.

What purpose was there for him to refer to her as "dumb" - if not to suggest that she was somehow culpable for 'allowing' something like an abduction to happen? And if he did believe she was so dumb as to be culpable in his child's disappearance, why did he NOT direct any of the violence he says he is ready & willing to commit towards her?

It's almost as if he is trying to tell the police (by pointing out the 'dumbness' of his GF) "Don't look at ME, it's not MY fault, look somewhere else, but not at HER".

Why would he do that?

Again, this is all too strange at this point. I sure hope LE finds some answers soon.

JMO

[kayemm]

I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.


Especially the bolded bit, ITA.

[Spry]

.... I want to know what was in the dryer.

I have been wondering that, too. Are there traces of blood or something else that came off the blanket when Misty washed and dried it?

[KittenCakes7]

Great post, Mimi!

[WillowInFlight]

I think she's responsible. I'm Sorry. Beat me to death! She is responsible for what happened to Haleigh. Sorry! I check my doors every night. Granted I don't live in Florida, but I check stuff. Close the curtains, check the doors, especially when I have a young child in my house. JMO.

Don't people know how many nut jobs there are out there?

So are you saying because you check the doors and close the curtains something like this could never happen to you or someone you know? You yourself just said there are many nut jobs out there, And it can and does happen. You don't have to be a high school dropout or someone that smokes or someone thats 17 for this to happen to. It can happen to anyone.

[Mandysmom]

Bottom line here is I think the majority of us think Misty is a liar or was on drugs. Neglect. I was going to say she left the trailer to go have a smoke, but both of them readily do it on TV.

Misty should be charged with something. I am so angry at her! Being stoopid, if nothing else. And Ron as well. Stoopid is as stoopid does. JMO.

I know if I were going to smoke, I would step outside my castle to do so. Where do you get the neglect from?

Nothing has been proven that Misty was neglecting these children yet I don't believe.

[march27]

I really hope there is new information at the PC and not just LE informing everyone there will be another PC. I really think they were going to give out something important this morning but are holding off until 4:00 for some unknown important reason.

[Mandysmom]

What should she be charged with? Oh...you said being stoopid.....:unsure:

What the "majority" on here thinks really doesn't count. What LE knows to be true or not true DOES count. You have no idea whatsoever if she is on drugs. There is no evidence that we know of to say she is on drugs. Don't know where you come up with that.

I'm not convinced she has lied about anything.

I didn't read your post before I posted. You said it much better than I did.

:thumbsup:

[CC I See]

There is not a "normal" reaction to having a child abducted by the parent or caregiver. I think that Misty and Ron's reactions were what could be expected given the circumstances. Our frustration comes because we have seen way too many children go missing and there has not a quick resolution to each case. The not knowing and waiting tears us apart... we feel this because of compassion and empathy for the victim and their families.

[Leanne Weich]

I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.

ITA Katy. At this point in time, I'm not feeling Misti or Ron harmed Haleigh but, in the event other info. comes out, that's liable to change. I think back to being a 17 y.o. mom with no family support - the scandal of having a baby at such a young age and can't believe that poor child is 33 today and is a happy, vivacious and well adjusted child, despite having been abducted by her father. I feel compassion for Misti who, for all intents and purposes as far as we know, made one error - going to sleep while babysitting. I am not going to judge her for any moral decisions she's made regarding living with Ron. Hell, I was so determined to get out of home, I married the first guy who asked and he was 12 y.o. than me at the time.

[Mandysmom]

We can charge them with neglect when a child is abducted out of the house in the middle of the night. Rack up a $500,000 bond until they can put a coherent sentence together. JMO.

I might give Ron a pass since he wasn't there. However, for him having a 17 year old girlfriend? He has charges coming his way. JMO.

So you think that any people who have had their child abducted from their home should be charged with neglect?

:confused:

[Mandysmom]

I'm not convinced she has a clue what happened either. Either passed out or has some mental challenge. JMO.

That could be said for a lot of people we know. :laugh:You just said upthread that you knew she was lying.

[Dunlurken]

So are you saying because you check the doors and close the curtains something like this could never happen to you or someone you know? You yourself just said there are many nut jobs out there, And it can and does happen. You don't have to be a high school dropout or someone that smokes or someone thats 17 for this to happen to. It can happen to anyone.

I totally agree. JMO. It can happen to anyone. That's not the point here though. We are trying to figure out what happened to Haleigh, not Elizabeth Smart, not Polly Klass, not Caylee Anthony, nor Jessica Lunsford or all the other missing beautiful children who were abducted.:rose:

[Spry]

We don't know that someone wasn't looking in on her and the kids...that's why there is so much rampant speculation...we don't know much of anything.

Well, who do you speculate it would have been? Another 17 year old? We would have heard if there was someone who regularly helped out Misty--because that person would have been named by Ron and Misty as someone who had contact with the kids. Greta and Nancy would have found this out long ago. There was no one. That poor 17 year old drop-out was on her own. The only "help" she probably had was when Ron yelled at her about something. Makes me wonder about Misty's background and family situation that she stepped into this relationship with Ron. You can have a boyfriend without looking after his children and residence. imo

[CC I See]

So you think that any people who have had their child abducted from their home should be charged with neglect?

:confused: The night Jessica Lunsford went missing a door was left unlocked and Couey took advantage of it. Blaming the victim's families is pointless.... it won't bring the child back, it is something they have to live with every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives.

[JD1974]

Well, who do you speculate it would have been? Another 17 year old? We would have heard if there was someone who regularly helped out Misty--because that person would have been named by Ron and Misty as someone who had contact with the kids. Greta and Nancy would have found this out long ago. There was no one. That poor 17 year old drop-out was on her own. The only "help" she probably had was when Ron yelled at her about something. Makes me wonder about Misty's background and family situation that she stepped into this relationship with Ron. You can have a boyfriend without looking after his children and residence. imo

I would have to guess his mother, she was helping him with childcare before and from what I understand she didn't live that far from him. I didn't say helped, I said looked in to see how she was doing, called to check up on her etc.

[Dunlurken]

Instead of SODDI, it we will hear the ACDDDI. Get used to hearing that one.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I totally agree. JMO. It can happen to anyone. That's not the point here though. We are trying to figure out what happened to Haleigh, not Elizabeth Smart, not Polly Klass, not Caylee Anthony, nor Jessica Lunsford or all the other missing beautiful children who were abducted.:rose:

Sounds to me like you have it all figured out, You seem to know all the players characters, who to charge, how much to charge.

[VC2]

The police are under absolutely NO obligation to tell you the truth.

I seriously doubt that anyone in this case was told they "passed" their polygraph, simply because I do not think the police are going to say that in the first place - to anyone.

For all we know, Ron & Misty took their polygraphs, the police said, "thank you very much", the two of them left & decided on their own that they must have "passed". IOW, if they weren't immediately confronted with LE saying, "you lied, you are being deceptive", they figured they were in the clear.

JMO

well i can see them telling Ron he passed when he asked them, given the amount of information that was confirmable about where he was and when haighleigh was last seen (i would think the 2 visitors around 5 saw her and ron was already at work and rons work would have confirmed his presence there) doesnt mean they will clear him publically, just that he passed the ldt and if he did why not tell him so unless they really had a reason to think he was involved. Dont forget he is the distraught and grieving dad.

i just don't see ron involved at all, and don't even think misty is but of course that one is open until there is more info.

The amount of so's around there, added to the fact that stranger abductions do happen, the possibility that misty's cousin who is an so is involved, just many things that make me think its not them'

imo

[Dunlurken]

The night Jessica Lunsford went missing a door was left unlocked and Couey took advantage of it. Blaming the victim's families is pointless.... it won't bring the child back, it is something they have to live with every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives.

Misty is no relation to Haleigh. JMO.

[i_pickle]

Instead of SODDI, it we will hear the ACDDDI. Get used to hearing that one.
JMO.What's ACDDDI?

[Mandysmom]

She needed a place to "squat". What a perfect situation for both of them. Ron gets a free babysitter, and she gets free room and board for doing the deed. JMO.

Such an ugly thing to say about someone you don't know. Even if you knew her it is still ugly and spiteful.

Is your daughter married, Dunnie? Has she ever made mistakes? What if (God forbid) something similar were to happen in your family?

How would you and yours stand up to public scrutiny?

I hope you never have to find out.

:crying:

[Dunlurken]

What's ACDDDI?

Air Conditioner Dude Did It. JMO.

ETA: I put in one too many "Ds". LOL.

[march27]

I see Rons reaction that night as more of a "primitive " sort of reaction. Like a male protecting his territory and how dare another male come in and take what is his. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still feel it is my husbands job to protect the family and this is the vibe I am getting from Ron. I cant imagine the guilt he must feel if his little girl was taken and he was not home to protect her. His outburst to me seems like a way of saying I might not of been there to protect you but I will make this up to you. I think that is why he didnt direct more anger at Misty, as she is "his" also. I know if my child was taken my husband would make the same threats about killing whoever took our child( and he never looses his temper). I hope this make sense and of course its just my opinion!

[katybar22]

The night Jessica Lunsford went missing a door was left unlocked and Couey took advantage of it. Blaming the victim's families is pointless.... it won't bring the child back, it is something they have to live with every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives.

ITA!! If there was an honest mistake made, they will beat themselves far worse than anyone else can. They won't need any help from anyone.

[SavannahStar]

So you think that any people who have had their child abducted from their home should be charged with neglect?

:confused:

Well this time you took the words out of MY mouth!

Exactly!

I guess Ed Smart was responsible for the fact Elizabeth was abducted by that nutcase. Yep, all Ed's fault.

[breeze53]

Ron may not have known there was even a cousin....

He only knew Misty for a short period of time before they moved in together and she started babysitting.

JMO


I'm still not ruleing out the dad or the g/f. I don't feel sorry for the dad like most on here he is way to controlling to me. He seems to want to run the whole show whenever he is being interviewed. He says he passed the LD test but the LE sure hasn't said that. As far as Misty she was way to young to be left alone with these kids. There either did it together and are hideing it or she has done something after he went to work and is hideing it something is just not adding up.JMO

[Rick777]

even if Misty left the door propped open and the kitchem light on, it's not her fault some sicko came in and took the child. People make those mistakes every second and thier kids don't vanish.

[Rick777]

On Websleuths, there is a poster who states they'd only been in the trailer for 3 weeks, and then goes on to name the prior tenant.

Is that true, anyone know? Only 3 weeks? That changes things dramatically, in my opinion.

That would explain why Ron really didn't know those cinder-blocks were in his yard.

[Mandysmom]

The night Jessica Lunsford went missing a door was left unlocked and Couey took advantage of it. Blaming the victim's families is pointless.... it won't bring the child back, it is something they have to live with every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives.
I agree. The guilt and punishment they give themselves is worse than anything the law could do to them.

:crying:

[SavannahStar]

My father had two kids by the age of 25; my mother was 20. In previous generations, people married at younger ages and had children and were perfectly responsible parents. I think a 25 year old guy with a 17 year old girl is odd anyway--and expecting her to watch his children is selfish. She is too young. Misty belongs in school. She does not need to be taking a break from school to babysit her boyfriend's children. I know they are probably economically strapped (who isn't?), but recruiting a girl this young was irresponsible. I know he has to provide for his kids and try to make as much money as possible, but he should have asked someone to look in on the kids--as well as Misty. JMO

(bolding to address)

I'm not sure I'd use the word "recruiting." I don't get the feeling he "recruited" her for anything. More likely they met and hit it off somehow. Not that it's the greatest idea to have a 17-year-old girl as a live-in girlfriend at that age, but the "recruiting" part of your argument just doesn't sound good to me. IMO.

[Dunlurken]

Interesting that we can't even get the name of the "owner" of the double wide.

There was a link yesterday which said it was willed to the owner because of death of someone. I started to question it, but knew I would be attacked, so I refrained. JMO.

[Mimi428]

ITA Katy. At this point in time, I'm not feeling Misti or Ron harmed Haleigh but, in the event other info. comes out, that's liable to change.


Right now, my best guess is that either both of them are involved - or neither of them are involved. And if both are involved, them I am thinking Ron would be the main perpetrator & Misty is going along with him for reasons as yet unknown. I don't think he would protect her if she did something.

But that just speculation on my part. I don't know WHAT to think right now, other than Ron's words do not seem to be not matching his behavior.

If we think he was out of his mind with the panic & stress, it is not consistent for him to not have lashed out as his self-described 'dumb (expletive deleted) GF'.

If he WAS certain that his GF did nothing, we would have SOMETHING to indicate why he is so resolutely certain she didn't.

Ay yi yi, such craziness. Makes my head hurt.

JMO

[jewel6]

even if Misty left the door propped open and the kitchem light on, it's not her fault some sicko came in and took the child. People make those mistakes every second and thier kids don't vanish.

Do you know how many times ive done that! Ive left windows open all night and forgot. I panic in the morning when i see them. jmo

[katybar22]

On Websleuths, there is a poster who states they'd only been in the trailer for 3 weeks, and then goes on to name the prior tenant.

Is that true, anyone know? Only 3 weeks? That changes things dramatically, in my opinion.


I will say this as MOO, I had heard that they had lived there for only a short while, don't know exactly. And there was discussion as to whether they had the locks changed when they moved in or if the prior tenant still had a key. This is one of the things I'm sure LE has or is looking into. It is scary considering it is such a small rural area, with so many SO's. It seems that almost everyone would know everyone (again MOO) and it wouldn't be hard to for the prior renter to know an SO. Probably alot of people in the area at least know of an SO.

[Armchairdet]

I understand that the girlfriend is young etc. however, no matter the maturity or age of a person, I would not leave my child with someone that has a problem understanding measurments as much as she does.

Four inches, four feet, 30 40 50 pounds for the child per the 911 call. This can be very dangerous if a caregiver is in charge of giving a child say, one teaspoon of medicine every four hours. Just an example. While I am not saying she isn't a great person, heck I don't know her, it would be a cause for concern for me. IMO It did appear to me in an interview with Greta that Ron was coxing her a bit which leads me to believe he may have doubted her abilities in some fashion, which should have caused concern to him as to her ability to make great decisions while he is away.

[CC I See]

Interesting that we can't even get the name of the "owner" of the double wide.

There was a link yesterday which said it was willed to the owner because of death of someone. I started to question it, but knew I would be attacked, so I refrained. JMO.... there was a news link posted on yesterdays thread with the owners name with additional information about the home and its history. Try the links thread or research it.... I believe the link was posted late afternoon CST.

[Lynn Gweeny]

On Websleuths, there is a poster who states they'd only been in the trailer for 3 weeks, and then goes on to name the prior tenant.

Is that true, anyone know? Only 3 weeks? That changes things dramatically, in my opinion.

The Bard family rented the home to Ronald Cummings in November 2008.

VIDEO:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1036684627

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

[JD1974]

Right now, my best guess is that either both of them are involved - or neither of them are involved. And if both are involved, them I am thinking Ron would be the main perpetrator & Misty is going along with him for reasons as yet unknown. I don't think he would protect her if she did something.

But that just speculation on my part. I don't know WHAT to think right now, other than Ron's words do not seem to be not matching his behavior.

If we think he was out of his mind with the panic & stress, it is not consistent for him to not have lashed out as his self-described 'dumb (expletive deleted) GF'.

If he WAS certain that his GF did nothing, we would have SOMETHING to indicate why he is so resolutely certain she didn't.

Ay yi yi, such craziness. Makes my head hurt.

JMO

I think the statements add up, he may have thought she was dumb, whatever, but he really wanted his hands on who took Haleigh. I think he trusted her and she told him what happened during the wait for LE.

[SavannahStar]

Right now, my best guess is that either both of them are involved - or neither of them are involved. And if both are involved, them I am thinking Ron would be the main perpetrator & Misty is going along with him for reasons as yet unknown. I don't think he would protect her if she did something.

But that just speculation on my part. I don't know WHAT to think right now, other than Ron's words do not seem to be not matching his behavior.

If we think he was out of his mind with the panic & stress, it is not consistent for him to not have lashed out as his self-described 'dumb (expletive deleted) GF'.

If he WAS certain that his GF did nothing, we would have SOMETHING to indicate why he is so resolutely certain she didn't.

Ay yi yi, such craziness. Makes my head hurt.

JMO


But we don't KNOW that he HASN'T lashed out at Misty (in private). :shrug:

And also I'd point out that consistency is not always found in situations like this......with "panic and stress."

Hope I explained that right.

I'm just not at all suspicious of either of them.

[SavannahStar]

The Bard family rented the home to Ronald Cummings in November 2008.

VIDEO:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1036684627

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

*THUD*

Lynn Gweeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:loveeyes:

[Dunlurken]

The Bard family rented the home to Ronald Cummings in November 2008.

VIDEO:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1036684627

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

You rock lady! Thanks for the info. So, it's three months, as I thought. Bard family. JMO. Hope you stay on board. I need your expertise.

[Spry]

even if Misty left the door propped open and the kitchem light on, it's not her fault some sicko came in and took the child. People make those mistakes every second and thier kids don't vanish.

I do not agree with this. Yes, she is too young to be in the role she is in. Yes, she should be in school. And, yes, she was irresponsible to leave the door open and the lights on. If she was the one who left the door open and the lights on. imo

[Snewpy]

Forgive me for not quoting, but I'm on my lunch break and have to type fast. lol. Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Misty's brother and cousins visiting the night Haleigh went missing. Do we know if RSO JAPadgett(?) is:
1) one of the cousins that visited that night
2) the cousin that "messed with" Misty?

I know someone asked why you would let an SO near your child - and ITA.... you have to be out of your skull to do so. But my second question is, why would you let the SO that molested YOU near YOU???

[katybar22]

Forgive me for not quoting, but I'm on my lunch break and have to type fast. lol. Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Misty's brother and cousins visiting the night Haleigh went missing. Do we know if RSO JAPadgett(?) is:
1) one of the cousins that visited that night
2) the cousin that "messed with" Misty?

I know someone asked why you would let an SO near your child - and ITA.... you have to be out of your skull to do so. But my second question is, why would you let the SO that molested YOU near YOU???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but imo, it was her brother and her nephews. No cousin. Is that right?

[march27]

I think it was her brother and nephews that were over not her cousin. I think one of her cousins were in town visiting but I dont think he was over the day Haleigh went missing.

[Leanne Weich]

The Bard family rented the home to Ronald Cummings in November 2008.

VIDEO:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1036684627

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

Thanks for the links Lynn. I've been worried about you while you were MIA. Good to see you back.

[Mimi428]

I think the statements add up, he may have thought she was dumb, whatever, but he really wanted his hands on who took Haleigh. I think he trusted her and she told him what happened during the wait for LE.

We have seen how incapable she is of putting together coherent sentences (which I am not faulting her for, considering the circumstances). If she couldn't give them to LE, how in the world could she have said anything to Ron, while he was ranting & raving about killing whoever took his child, that would have assured him so quickly that SHE did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing neglectful, nothing thoughtless, nothing reckless, nothing foolish.

It is inconsistent, it is completely contradictory for her to be the dumb b*tch he called her - yet be so trustworthy & mature that whatever she says is taken as the gospel by Ron in the immediate chaotic minutes of finding his child is gone. It just doesn't make sense to me.

JMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Forgive me for not quoting, but I'm on my lunch break and have to type fast. lol. Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Misty's brother and cousins visiting the night Haleigh went missing. Do we know if RSO JAPadgett(?) is:
1) one of the cousins that visited that night
2) the cousin that "messed with" Misty?

I know someone asked why you would let an SO near your child - and ITA.... you have to be out of your skull to do so. But my second question is, why would you let the SO that molested YOU near YOU???

In the following ABC video (@27 seconds at the end of the video), the reporter mentions that a 'cousin from Tennessee' visited and 'left soon after Haleigh disappeared'.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6894677

[Dunlurken]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but imo, it was her brother and her nephews. No cousin. Is that right?
RSO is the cousin who molested Misty. But you can't believe anything you read here without a link or a doc dump. JMO.

[newsjunkie]

I totally agree. JMO. It can happen to anyone. That's not the point here though. We are trying to figure out what happened to Haleigh, not Elizabeth Smart, not Polly Klass, not Caylee Anthony, nor Jessica Lunsford or all the other missing beautiful children who were abducted.:rose:


Caylee A should not be lumped into that group of children. It's a totally different scenario for her:mad:
I say this out of respect for that group.

[penguinlady]

I am a regular lurker, but I just have to respond to this statement. I can't say that there has been any evidence (fact) of drug use, neglect, or lying. I believe that Misty is a 17 year old girl who has been put in the spotlight of a tragic and very frightening missing child case. Sure there has been poor judgement on both their parts, but as young parents, can you ever say that you never made an error in judgement. I can't. I have just been blessed enough to be spared the heartbreak, fear, and media scrutiny that this young couple has been subjected to. To judge them is not what this discuss should be about. The facts are few. And if the facts come that Ron or Misty had something to do with the disappearance of that beautiful little girl THEN I will jump in the hang 'em high bandwagon. But not until. MOI.


Great post!

IMO
K

[JD1974]

We have seen how incapable she is of putting together coherent sentences (which I am not faulting her for, considering the circumstances). If she couldn't give them to LE, how in the world could she have said anything to Ron, while he was ranting & raving about killing whoever took his child, that would have assured him so quickly that SHE did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing neglectful, nothing thoughtless, nothing reckless, nothing foolish.

It is inconsistent, it is completely contradictory for her to be the dumb b*tch he called her - yet be so trustworthy & mature that whatever she says is taken as the gospel by Ron in the immediate chaotic minutes of finding his child is gone. It just doesn't make sense to me.

JMO

Oh yeah I can see what you mean by that. I just honestly think his first thought was someone had taken her, Misty was the one that got the major lashing because she was there but I really think he knew someone took his daughter and reserved the bulk of his anger for that person.

[margaritaville]

On Websleuths, there is a poster who states they'd only been in the trailer for 3 weeks, and then goes on to name the prior tenant.

Is that true, anyone know? Only 3 weeks? That changes things dramatically, in my opinion.


did they ever change the locks?

[Dunlurken]

In the following ABC video (@27 seconds at the end of the video), the reporter mentions that a 'cousin from Tennessee' visited and 'left soon after Haleigh disappeared'.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6894677

hummmmmmm. Thanks once again. The link doesn't say when the cousin visited though.... soon before the disappearance?

[Dunlurken]

did they ever change the locks?

It was three months. I think it is required by law to change the locks, but I don't know for sure. JMO.

[Armchairdet]

did they ever change the locks?

I was wondering if the last tenants had children, and someone was actually looking for them. Not that it makes any more sense, but the person may have had a key.

Some drunk guy came to the door after we had lived in our new home a year, looking for the neighbors. The neighbors were renters and had moved. But he kept on and on, and expected me to verify where they were now. It was strange. So who knows when it comes to homes that are rentals and change hands a lot.

[margaritaville]

It was three months. I think it is required by law to change the locks, but I don't know for sure. JMO.

there is no law to change locks.......There is however common sense......

[openminded]

So are you saying because you check the doors and close the curtains something like this could never happen to you or someone you know? You yourself just said there are many nut jobs out there, And it can and does happen. You don't have to be a high school dropout or someone that smokes or someone thats 17 for this to happen to. It can happen to anyone.

Exactly. It's easy to point fingers in this case (and I'm not going to dismiss either of them until LE does) but, so far, I can't think of any hard facts that support the finger-pointing.

It is not a crime to be poor. It is not a crime to be uneducated. It is not a crime to have a below-average I.Q. (even if it's true that Misty does and no one knows at this point since I don't believe she was given an I.Q. test along with her poly).

Bad things happen everywhere to every socio-economic group. Period.

[Dunlurken]

there is no law to change locks.......There is however common sense......

Not much common sense has been displayed in this case, however. Which is why we have a missing child. JMO.

[penguinlady]

*THUD*

Lynn Gweeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:loveeyes:


Lynn..are you back?? Or have I just missed seeing you???

K!

[Mimi428]

But we don't KNOW that he HASN'T lashed out at Misty (in private). :shrug:

And also I'd point out that consistency is not always found in situations like this......with "panic and stress."

Hope I explained that right.

I'm just not at all suspicious of either of them.

True, very true. We do not know what has been said & done in private. Anybody know how much privacy they may (or may not) have had since LE showed up? I sure can't imagine they would have any while camped out in a tent.

I don't know if I am actually suspicious of them doing something, but they sure are making it mighty difficult to get a grasp of what the heck was going on before LE showed up. Lived there 3 months yet Ron was apparently oblivious to the cinder blocks in his yard. Ohhhhkaaaay.

JMO

[Rick777]

I think if Police felt the previous owners used thier key, or were involved....the ground search would not have happened.

[CC I See]

It was three months. I think it is required by law to change the locks, but I don't know for sure. JMO.yes, it is..... there was a case in Texas a few years back that I remember where a woman was assaulted in her apartment and when they discovered it was from a previous tenant who still had a key to the locks that had not been changed the leasing company were sued and the woman won. Also most keys have a stamp on them saying do not duplicate... mine do to my apartment. If I lose a key, I have to go through the leasing office to get a new one and the locks have to be changed and I have to pay a fee. I don't know the laws in Florida or how they are enforced when the home that is rented is owned by a private individual.

[5boxersmom]

Has this been posted yet?

Grandmother and Misty interview from the Today show this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HihQ_vPvn6c

[breeze53]

It was three months. I think it is required by law to change the locks, but I don't know for sure. JMO.

I tryed to google it and came up with this


As a locksmith, I can inform you that:
Landlords are not required to change locks between tenants.
However, you must ascertain if the locks have been changed, and when.
Your security depends on YOU.
There is no requirement for landlords to provide deadbolt locks. If there is one key-in-knob lock, then that meets the requirement for a secure premise.
You may install and/or replace locks, but check with the contract or rental agreement regarding alterations to the unit and to keys.

[3Monkeys]

Forgive me for not quoting, but I'm on my lunch break and have to type fast. lol. Earlier in this thread there was a discussion about Misty's brother and cousins visiting the night Haleigh went missing. Do we know if RSO JAPadgett(?) is:
1) one of the cousins that visited that night
2) the cousin that "messed with" Misty?

I know someone asked why you would let an SO near your child - and ITA.... you have to be out of your skull to do so. But my second question is, why would you let the SO that molested YOU near YOU???


Snewpy, from my post 180 in this thread:

"1) Misty had her brother and her nephews over that night, from an interview with GVS:

"VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

2) Padgett, has never been confirmed to be a cousin of Misty's. How his name was arrived at on this board is as follows:

a) It was reported on GR that Misty named a cousin in TN as being suspicious. He messed with her when she was 13, and molested another cousin.
b) Someone on this board remembered seeing an article where relations in TN were coming down to FLA to help with the search. These relations were named Padgett
c) A search was done against the RSO db in TN against the name Padgett. Three names came up, one being J.A.P.
d) At the time of this board discussion, it was stated that there was NO PROOF to connect J.A.P as the cousin, only that he had the same name as relations in TN.

(eta this board discussion took place beginning around 10:30PM on Feb 15, if you want to see how it went down... assuming CW didn't remove any posts)."

Hope this helps..... I had also heard on GMA this morning (no link, sorry) that the TN RSO was visiting and left shortly after Haleigh went missing. IMO because of no link....

[Dunlurken]

True, very true. We do not know what has been said & done in private. Anybody know how much privacy they may (or may not) have had since LE showed up? I sure can't imagine they would have any while camped out in a tent.

I don't know if I am actually suspicious of them doing something, but they sure are making it mighty difficult to get a grasp of what the heck was going on before LE showed up. Lived there 3 months yet Ron was apparently oblivious to the cinder blocks in his yard. Ohhhhkaaaay.

JMO
Hell, I'm afraid to post anything at this point. He washed his car in the back yard. Still trying to figure out which is the back or the front. Still trying to figure out which is the front door vs. the back door. Been looking, but never lived in a trailer so it beats me. JMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

I think if Police felt the previous owners used thier key, or were involved....the ground search would not have happened.


I may have missed it (been out of town) but has anything been said about the condition of the back door? Were there pry marks on it or broken?

[Dunlurken]

Snewpy, from my post 180 in this thread:

"1) Misty had her brother and her nephews over that night, from an interview with GVS:

"VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

2) Padgett, has never been confirmed to be a cousin of Misty's. How his name was arrived at on this board is as follows:

a) It was reported on GR that Misty named a cousin in TN as being suspicious. He messed with her when she was 13, and molested another cousin.
b) Someone on this board remembered seeing an article where relations in TN were coming down to FLA to help with the search. These relations were named Padgett
c) A search was done against the RSO db in TN against the name Padgett. Three names came up, one being J.A.P.
d) At the time of this board discussion, it was stated that there was NO PROOF to connect J.A.P as the cousin, only that he had the same name as relations in TN.

(eta this board discussion took place beginning around 10:30PM on Feb 15, if you want to see how it went down... assuming CW didn't remove any posts)."

Hope this helps..... I had also heard on GMA this morning (no link, sorry) that the TN RSO was visiting and left shortly after Haleigh went missing. IMO because of no link....
Misty is lying. JMO.

ETA: She can tell time but doesn't know the difference between 4 inches and 4 feet? LMAO.

[Snewpy]

Thank you ALL for your responses. I pray it was the nephews.. and that seems to make more sense.. but so little makes sense in this case... :(

Back to work for me. Prayers for Haleigh and all the missing little ones. I hope that the 4 o clock presser will have good news. I'll sneak back to see if all you WONDERFUL posters can update me!!! :laugh:

[omsk99]

Not much common sense has been displayed in this case, however. Which is why we have a missing child. JMO.

IMO, we have a missing child because there are evil 'people' out there. From everything I have read, Ronald did everything he could (within his means) to provide a safe and healthy environment for his kids. Due to his common sense, he had someone watching the kids and making sure they were in bed on time, etc, not leaving them to their own devices. The fact is there are predators out there, preying on children and unsuspecting adults, and I do not believe much could have been done in this case to prevent this from happening if someone was determined to take Haleigh, and the family (obviously) had did not suspected anything like this could or would happen. JMO

[Dunlurken]

I may have missed it (been out of town) but has anything been said about the condition of the back door? Were there pry marks on it or broken?

No forced entry. JMO.

[Rick777]

I may have missed it (been out of town) but has anything been said about the condition of the back door? Were there pry marks on it or broken?

I don't know if that was ever confirmed. Misty and Ron said maybe a crowbar was used at one point, then they said maybe a locksmith picked the lock. LE has mentioned no damage at all to the door, but I don't know if that was confirmed.:confused:

[omsk99]

I may have missed it (been out of town) but has anything been said about the condition of the back door? Were there pry marks on it or broken?

No, there were no signs of forced entry, but a cinderblock was found holding the door open.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't know if that was ever confirmed. Misty and Ron said maybe a crowbar was used at one point, then they said maybe a locksmith picked the lock. LE has mentioned no damage at all to the door, but I don't know if that was confirmed.:confused:

Thank you and Dunnie

[KKKKKKatie]

No, there were no signs of forced entry, but a cinderblock was found holding the door open.


Oh wow! thanks

[Rick777]

IMO, we have a missing child because there are evil 'people' out there. From everything I have read, Ronald did everything he could (within his means) to provide a safe and healthy environment for his kids. Due to his common sense, he had someone watching the kids and making sure they were in bed on time, etc, not leaving them to their own devices. The fact is there are predators out there, preying on children and unsuspecting adults, and I do not believe much could have been done in this case to prevent this from happening if someone was determined to take Haleigh, and the family (obviously) had did not suspected anything like this could or would happen. JMO

So will you be completely shocked if Ron, Misty, or both were involved in some capacity??