Tuesday Feb 17 - # 1

[Pag Boi]

I stepped away for a while, and I'm just getting caught up. I noticed this question, and since I had mentioned this in a previous post, I thought I'd better see if I could find video I saw that in.

I'm sure it's already been answered, but the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xMH2EI_t7I&feature=related

At around the 40 second mark, Crystals mother mentions that Ron wouldn't allow Crystal to have a Drivers license (my bad memory.... it had been a while since I heard this, and I incorrectly remembered her saying 'car'). She then goes on to say that Ron had the only vehicle and that she had bought Crystal a vehicle and he took it and put it in his name.

Anyway, as I said in my post, this is when the two camps were far, far apart, before they got together for Haleigh. Take it for what it is. I was using it to support my theory that because Ron was controlling he may not have left Misty with a key.... certainly no proof of that, just a theory.

I'm going to read ahead now to catch up.


How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license? She can buy Crystal a car but couldn't give her $250 to pay the filing fee for custody demand?


They weren't even living together. Crystal missed all those DR appts btwn 2/2004 and 9/2005 b/c she didn't have a license and didn't want to get a ride from his mom/grandmom. Or sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Ron may have been controlling and abusive towards her but I have no respect for a woman that can't get out of bed to take her own kids to the doctor. What is wrong with her? How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license?

[Themis]

Colored in red by me for emphasis. That's exactly it - WE don't know that is true, but if HE knows that they all get along, that Crystal is fine with the custody as it is now, he could very well have jumped to the conclusion that Haleigh was taken by a stranger (abducted), since HE knew Crystal wouldn't do that. JMO

But who would be the first person HE (Ronald) thought called Department of Children and Families (DC&F) since he and Missy starting living together?

One of the transcripted shows said, paraphrasing, police have not responded to any calls but DC&F have been.

JMO since I can't quickly remember which of the many links this info is in.

[n/t]

Still don't see why that would of made a point to say air conditioner and not heater plus I though I read somewhere that it was warm there in the days. I also believe I have heard that trailers are normally hot anyway.


Well hopefully they checked out this a/c ...errr.. heater or whatever guy.

She got the blankie so it must've been cold




...and the door was open.

[sunstar]

Hi everybody! :seeya: I just saw this! :scared:

PALATKA, Fla. -- Since an Amber Alert was issued for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings one week ago, more than 1,000 tips have poured into a Crimestoppers hot line; and until Tuesday afternoon investigators have not released specific information about the leads they've received.

However, on Tuesday, new information was released that Haleigh's father's girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, may not have been at home the night Haleigh disappeared.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18735417/detail.html

[CC I See]

Still don't see why that would of made a point to say air conditioner and not heater plus I though I read somewhere that it was warm there in the days. I also believe I have heard that trailers are normally hot anyway.

I assume that Florida has similiar weather to Texas. I run my A/C year around here. When my A/C quits and even if it is December, I call the repairman. So, I don't think it unusual for the A/C guy to be at the Cummuings house. Wasn't the A/C guy cleared already?

[bluwaters]

LE has cleared the AC man
They haven't cleared anyone that I know of.

[playnice]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

[Themis]

When I first heard this, the first thought that went through my mind was that I've never used the word 'bricked' in my life. Is that a term that is regional, to describe propping a door open with a brick? Just wondering...
But the 'bricked' or brick turned out to be a concrete block. She didn't know the difference.

[kitty1182]

Is there a reward out for this girl? :sad:

[n/t]

LE has cleared the AC man


Oh? Didn't hear that. Last I heard everyone is still a suspect/POI.

[MidnightBlu]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

I didn't hear her say that. She just said that WJwhatever station reported that Misty wasn't there.

[emdragon]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

Cause NG fails to do her homework.

Just called Misti a liar to bad she didn't bother to check her information before reporting it. As usual she is irresponsible.

[sunstar]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

But it's a "bombshell"! I'd just like to know if it's true or not. :confused:

[n/t]

Is there a reward out for this girl? :sad:

Good question. IRRC, Lenny put up $25,000 but I think he had a deadline on it. Not sure if it expired or not.

[desmom]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

She is quoting WJXT news article:

Police Follow Tip Haleigh's Dad's Girlfriend Wasn't Home
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18735417/detail.html#-

but missed

However, on Tuesday, new information was released that Haleigh's father's girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, may not have been at home the night Haleigh disappeared.

[MidnightBlu]

Cause NG fails to do her homework.

Just called Misti a liar to bad she didn't bother to check her information before reporting it. As usual she is irresponsible.

What are you guys watching lol? She never said that it was a fact. She only said that WXT reported that Misty wasn't there.

[3Monkeys]

Did i mean alligators? LOL


He!! all I know is that I don't want to be near them. Don't know the diff btwn them. Duh me

Crikey mate!:laugh:

[playnice]

I didn't hear her say that. She just said that WJwhatever station reported that Misty wasn't there.

should have been more clearer. Her lead in made it sound like it was fact, not that she said it was fact. Sorry for any confusion.

[MiamiNice1]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Men-Who-Hate-Women-And-The-Women-Who-Love-Them/Susan-Forward/e/9780553381412
Thanks for this book recommendation, Forensic! I should buy it in bulk and hand it out to some women I know......the destruction these men bring into unsuspectiing women's lives is just a shame!

imo

[bluwaters]

Good question. IRRC, Lenny put up $25,000 but I think he had a deadline on it. Not sure if it expired or not.
It was to expire at midnight last Sat night, 2/14.
I haven't seen or heard anything from or about Lenny since last week, so I don't know. :confused:

[Themis]

How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license? She can buy Crystal a car but couldn't give her $250 to pay the filing fee for custody demand?


They weren't even living together. Crystal missed all those DR appts btwn 2/2004 and 9/2005 b/c she didn't have a license and didn't want to get a ride from his mom/grandmom. Or sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Ron may have been controlling and abusive towards her but I have no respect for a woman that can't get out of bed to take her own kids to the doctor. What is wrong with her? How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license?

Good questions! If Florida laws on the subject are different I hope someone responds.

More twists and turns in statements by extended family members.

I gotta say this must be driving all elements of L.E. crazy!

[MidnightBlu]

"Was NOT, I repeat was not there when Haleigh went missing!" :ohmy:

I heard that part but before that she said "WJXT said."

[desmom]

Susan Moss is not buying Misty's story.

[playnice]

I heard that part but before that she said "WJXT said."

When she first came on said that right before the show aired they just found out gf was not there. at that point she did not clarify the rest.

[~jomomma~]

WJXT telling her that's their story and it's a POSSIBILITY!

but it was a tip.....wasn't it?

who knows where this tip came from. could just be cuz people are talking....people are believing the buzz around town and called it in?

geez...........this needs to end!!

[MidnightBlu]

When she first came on said that right before the show aired they just found out gf was not there. at that point she did not clarify the rest.


Ok. Gotcha now.

[playnice]

It seems to me at the beginning of the narrative however, that she (NG) took that on as her own gospel, IMO.

Exactly. That is what she first said.

[Pebbles]

That did it for me. Too fake, too highly dramatic - seemed totally staged. :cursing:



I have felt the same way, and feel that way whenever I see Ron. It does seem too dramatic whenever he is on television.


I am more concerned with getting to the truth and finding Haleigh, than worrying about people passing judgement on Ron and Misty. Way too many inconsistencies in the stories.

I believe this LE department has learned not to tell the media too much until their investigation is complete or Haleigh is found, they do not need another circus over a missing child which we all witnessed with Caylee.

[trich]

I have felt from the beginning that Misty might have gone out and left those kids by themself and she was too scared to admit it .
then someone came in and took Haleigh.

[Themis]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:
Which is why I stopped watching her quite a while ago. It's more than unfair, it is irresponsible when reporting on truly serious cases like this one.

[n/t]

Jeeeez....NG is reporting exactly what the rest have been doing all day but yet she's being trashed by some. Good grief.

They had a whole discussion on HLN with Mike Galanos about it including the guest attorneys advising that Misty should get a lawyer!

[Pag Boi]

LE has cleared the AC man

They did? A know a British tabloid printed that claim but there was no quote by LE that I have ever seen,

[PolyGraph]

this is so crazy ,...i WAS JUST ABOUT to post about how the gf probably let someone in the home and was neglectful somehow never in a million year years would i think she was oging to leave them alone!!! thats crazy...I do have a weird feeling they should look under that mobile home for some reason, im surprised le hasnt done that already....weird.

I also couldnt understand why and how that back door got unlocked...

I was going to totally say she let some guy in the house that was NOT supposed to be there and he did something when she (misty) fell asleep, because that back door thing bothers me totally...no one is going to waste time putting up a cinder block unless they are not worried about getting caught...MOO

[CC I See]

They haven't cleared anyone that I know of. Yes, that's true.... the whole world is a suspect.

[sunstar]

Yes reporters on CNN were saying that's the buzz on the street. They were discussing it following the press conference.

It wouldn't really surprise me if it's true. But one of Haleigh's grandmothers is saying Misty was there (just now on NG show), but how would she know it was all night? :confused: MOO

[Themis]

It was to expire at midnight last Sat night, 2/14.
I haven't seen or heard anything from or about Lenny since last week, so I don't know. :confused:
The County Sheriff's Office still is offering a $1,000 reward. It was still on their website as of 2 days ago.

[cloe23]

Who is the 'they' that the 17yrs old babysitter/girlfriend is speaking of?
She says 'I wish THEY would of taken me', I can fight back. paraphrasing

[PolyGraph]

Jeeeez....NG is reporting exactly what the rest have been doing all day but yet she's being trashed by some. Good grief.

They had a whole discussion on HLN with Mike Galanos about it including the guest attorneys advising that Misty should get a lawyer! Hi NT! what did they report, i missed it I was not home all day and I didnt see this..

[playnice]

Jeeeez....NG is reporting exactly what the rest have been doing all day but yet she's being trashed by some. Good grief.

They had a whole discussion on HLN with Mike Galanos about it including the guest attorneys advising that Misty should get a lawyer!

I never thought she did anything at all but she does need a lawyer. There is no way at her age and maturity she can handle this media frenzy. Everything she says will be twisted around.

I still dont think ron knew anything but I hope there is room on the fence for me with Misti. Im not sure what to think.

[MidnightBlu]

The maternal grandmother saying she knows for a fact she was at home that night up to a point? She said she was there dropping off clothes, checking on things, ..you know...'
Never heard that before

This is new to me as well. The only people that were said to have been in the house that day were the AC man and Misty's brother and her nephews.

[breeze53]

I'M sure not taking it as a fact yet, that's for sure!

Anyone know what that lattice is around the house?

is it white? I seen some in a mans pick up today on tv not sure if it wasE tho.

[kitty1182]

The maternal grandmother saying she knows for a fact she was at home that night up to a point? She said she was there dropping off clothes, checking on things, ..you know...'
Never heard that before

She said a family member dropped off clothes, now I wonder who the family member was.....

[Magnum357]

but it was a tip.....wasn't it?

who knows where this tip came from. could just be cuz people are talking....people are believing the buzz around town and called it in?

geez...........this needs to end!!

That's what I heard too--A tip. Not several tips but A tip. 1,200 tips and one tip saying she wasn't home? Geeezz Nancy!!!!

Not that I would rule out that possibility but let's not exaggerate.

Nancy should be ashamed of herself.

[playnice]

Rons mom doesnt believe she left.

[n/t]

The maternal grandmother saying she knows for a fact she was at home that night up to a point? She said she was there dropping off clothes, checking on things, ..you know...'
Never heard that before

Didn't the maternal grandmother say the other night that she'd never been to the home? :confused: WTH is going on?

[3Monkeys]

How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license? She can buy Crystal a car but couldn't give her $250 to pay the filing fee for custody demand?


They weren't even living together. Crystal missed all those DR appts btwn 2/2004 and 9/2005 b/c she didn't have a license and didn't want to get a ride from his mom/grandmom. Or sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Ron may have been controlling and abusive towards her but I have no respect for a woman that can't get out of bed to take her own kids to the doctor. What is wrong with her? How could her mother put a car in Crystal's name if she didn't even have a license?

IMO neither of these people are going to win 'parent of the year' awards. As I said, I was using this statement to support a potential theory that I had made upthread. I believe that there was a definite agenda going on during this interview, and that was to throw slander back at Ron, who they said was accusing him of missing those Dr.'s appointments etc. Having said that, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't be "shocked" to hear that Ron IS controlling.... but yeah, I'm not going to believe it because of this interview, which is why I said take it for what it's worth.

I am happy that the two camps did seem to sort out their differences and come together for Haleigh though.

[bluwaters]

Good questions! If Florida laws on the subject are different I hope someone responds.

More twists and turns in statements by extended family members.

I gotta say this must be driving all elements of L.E. crazy!

Of course one may own a car without having a DL!
My 89 year old mother owns a car, but someone else drives it.

[kitty1182]

Gosh, you get that for a felony Crime Stoppers tip. :confused:

That is sad.....I wish I were rich, I would put up one for her..

[breeze53]

She said a family member dropped off clothes, now I wonder who the family member was.....

I have a feeling crap is gonna hit the fan soon:w00t:

[playnice]

Didn't the maternal grandmother say the other night that she'd never been to the home? :confused: WTH is going on?

I thought she said relatives, guess she means Mistis brother?

[PolyGraph]

It wouldn't really surprise me if it's true. But one of Haleigh's grandmothers is saying Misty was there (just now on NG show), but how would she know it was all night? :confused: MOO
yeah exactly i too agree...how would she possibly know if she was there all night? i dont know any 17 year old that lives alone, is not working and goes to bed that early...that is the first thing that struck me as completely ODD...that and going pee at 3am, how many people wake up out of a dead sleep to pee? i dont know i sleep lightly but have never woken up for that....MOO

[cloe23]

This child is still alive.
The media needs to remind the perps of all the safe drop off points.

[MidnightBlu]

That's what I heard too--A tip. Not several tips but A tip. 1,200 tips and one tip saying she wasn't home? Geeezz Nancy!!!!

Not that I would rule out that possibility but let's not exaggerate.

Nancy should be ashamed of herself.

JVM and others reported the same thing too...I guess they should all be ashamed of themselves.

[kitty1182]

Didn't the maternal grandmother say the other night that she'd never been to the home? :confused: WTH is going on?

She said a family member took the clothes, now I wonder who that was?

[breeze53]

Yeah, but this was installed, like a porch? or something.


Oh ok this may have been when they were stopping people at there check point but i did see some in a truck kinda threw me off.

[kitty1182]

I have a feeling crap is gonna hit the fan soon:w00t:

I bet so.......

[~jomomma~]

Didn't the maternal grandmother say the other night that she'd never been to the home? :confused: WTH is going on?

yes, she did say that

[sunstar]

she added '....up to a point...'

No it wouldn't surprise me no matter how the outcome of this case is. Stories never added up, changed too much, not believable on some points. The whole thing sounded hokey to me from the start.
Teresa Neves on the phone to NG right now. She said she was there up to a point and she didn't believe she left after that. She's saying it's a misconception by the media (talking about the changing stories) Teresa Neves is the Paternal grandmother. my mistake in a prior post

And she also said family members dropped off clothes at RC's house so she really doesn't know for sure what happened after they left since she (grandmother) wasn't there. I'm wondering now what time these family members dropped off the clothes??? :confused:

[n/t]

Hi NT! what did they report, i missed it I was not home all day and I didnt see this..


Speculation that Misty wasn't home when Haleigh went missing. It's being reported by one media outlet that a tip was received by LE that Misty was out of the home. The rest are running with the story and commenting on that possibility.

[bluwaters]

Gosh, you get that for a felony Crime Stoppers tip. :confused:
Putnam county is very, very poor.

[n/t]

I corrected myself. NG sounds like she's got a cold. She said PATERNAL and I first thought she said maternal. My mistake. It's his Mother Teresa Neves.

ok thanks. Setting up alibis perhaps? hmmmm

[emdragon]

When she first came on said that right before the show aired they just found out gf was not there. at that point she did not clarify the rest.

She also said misti had wasted LE time by telling a LIE.

[PolyGraph]

Why did she not call 911 at the time she was missing, not when boyfriend got home...that is also strange, too many things she knows something and shes not telling, my guess is she let someone in that home who was not supposed to be there. MOO

[Magnum357]

JVM and others reported the same thing too...I guess they should all be ashamed of themselves.

I haven't heard anyone report it as emphatically as Nancy did. Everyone else made it sound like a possibility. Nancy reported it as fact initially.

[PolyGraph]

Speculation that Misty wasn't home when Haleigh went missing. It's being reported by one media outlet that a tip was received by LE that Misty was out of the home. The rest are running with the story and commenting on that possibility.
Thanks so much! Your the greatest!!! what is your take on this?

[3Monkeys]

NG reporting Misti not there as a fact. :confused:

Based on this allegation... just it being suggested, I think that she needs to get herself a lawyer (are there any left in FLA?). She also better get herself into protective custody, IMO.

[playnice]

She also said misti had wasted LE time by telling a LIE.

she did. She is a drama queen.:biggrin:

[Themis]

I have felt the same way, and feel that way whenever I see Ron. It does seem too dramatic whenever he is on television.


I am more concerned with getting to the truth and finding Haleigh, than worrying about people passing judgement on Ron and Misty. Way too many inconsistencies in the stories.

I believe this LE department has learned not to tell the media too much until their investigation is complete or Haleigh is found, they do not need another circus over a missing child which we all witnessed with Caylee.
I agree with you. And I agree with the others who agreed with me much earlier.:biggrin:

I can set other legal issues aside until Haleigh is found with regard to a 16 year old teen moving in with a 24 year old man. Let L.E. deal with that when and if they choose to.

I don't care if they live in a trailer or mobile home or manufactured house or if they're wearing new brand name jeans or thrift shop bargains.

I do care about contradictory statements made by the principals to what are simple questions. The sleeping arrangements and the always locked back door are prime examples.

All the L.E. folks must be bald by now.

[breeze53]

yes, she did say that



Thanks to all reporting what NG is saying my cable is out tonight of all nights.

[playnice]

Based on this allegation... just it being suggested, I think that she needs to get herself a lawyer (are there any left in FLA?). She also better get herself into protective custody, IMO.

Baez cant represent her. He has already ended up in the hospital over Casey case.

[bluwaters]

This child is still alive.
The media needs to remind the perps of all the safe drop off points.

cloe23 I am so glad to hear you state this with such conviction.
I don't feel so good about it, and everyday that passes makes the probability that Haleigh is still alive less likely.

Why do you believe that Haleigh is still alive?
Yes, I agree, safe drop off points do need to be broadcast, just in case.

[SavannahStar]

That's what I heard too--A tip. Not several tips but A tip. 1,200 tips and one tip saying she wasn't home? Geeezz Nancy!!!!

Not that I would rule out that possibility but let's not exaggerate.

Nancy should be ashamed of herself.

This is not unusual for NG. IMO.

[PolyGraph]

I have felt the same way, and feel that way whenever I see Ron. It does seem too dramatic whenever he is on television.


I am more concerned with getting to the truth and finding Haleigh, than worrying about people passing judgement on Ron and Misty. Way too many inconsistencies in the stories.

I believe this LE department has learned not to tell the media too much until their investigation is complete or Haleigh is found, they do not need another circus over a missing child which we all witnessed with Caylee. Hey pebbles, do you really feel ron is faking his emotions? he seems as real as can be to me, its misty who picks my nerves about something.... anyway just curious...

[Themis]

The maternal grandmother saying she knows for a fact she was at home that night up to a point? She said she was there dropping off clothes, checking on things, ..you know...'
Never heard that before
HUH? Really?! How odd that Misty has not publicly mentioned the paternal grandmother's visit along with recollection that the A/C guy had been there at some point. And her brother and his 2 sons had visited for 30-45 minutes between 5 and 5:45 p.m.

Amazing, simply amazing.

[jewel6]

yes, she did say that

I think that was crystals mom! isnt the one on the paternal? WT HEY?

[kitty1182]

I wish NG would ask her who took the clothes over there.....

[hooked2]

yeah exactly i too agree...how would she possibly know if she was there all night? i dont know any 17 year old that lives alone, is not working and goes to bed that early...that is the first thing that struck me as completely ODD...that and going pee at 3am, how many people wake up out of a dead sleep to pee? i dont know i sleep lightly but have never woken up for that....MOO

I've thought about that too, but if her boyfriend comes home every night around 3:30, it is quite possible she wakes up sometimes at or around that time.

[sunstar]

Is RC dad? Yes she said she was there up to a point. I thought she said she dropped off clothes? Oh well there was some traffic in the house that night the way we're hearing it now. g/g, children, grandma, uncle, nephews/cousins, a/c guy.

It's a shame she didn't say what time she dropped the clothes off, I agree. Wonder what time she departed the house?

Yes, I'm sorry, RC = Ron/dad. She said "family members" dropped off the clothes but didn't say who they are or what time they did this. :sad:

[bluwaters]

cloe's got a point. Elizabeth Smart was alive when no one thought she could be. everyone being a metaphor
That's right. Thanks for the reminder.
LE is saying to hold on to hope.
I am praying for Haleigh's safe return.

[jewel6]

ITs rons mom on the phone! If it was Marie we would know! JMO

[sunstar]

I've thought about that too, but if her boyfriend comes home every night around 3:30, it is quite possible she wakes up sometimes at or around that time.

I remember early on reading that he seemed surprised she was up ~ like she normally wasn't at that time. MOO

[aubrey04]

On Nancy Grace, they have the blinkie title thingie saying:

911: How the (bleep) you let my daughter get stole (bleep)?

Then they just played that again. I have thought from the beginning that Misty might have been out of the trailer that night, but was too scared to admit it because Ron's reaction. Then someone who knew Misty wasn't responsible -- came in and took Haleigh.

[jewel6]

That's right. Thanks for the reminder.
LE is saying to hold on to hope.
I am praying for Haleigh's safe return.


ITA! Im hoping for the best!

[bluwaters]

I've thought about that too, but if her boyfriend comes home every night around 3:30, it is quite possible she wakes up sometimes at or around that time.
He said that she is never awake when he comes home.

[aubrey04]

Dr. Bethany Marshall just said the same thing - that Misty might be more scared of Ron than the cops. I agree with her. imo.

[Magnum357]

This is not unusual for NG. IMO.

I know---I should have known better. But her opening statement included "Breaking news within the last few minutes.......and then went on to say Misty was NOT at home. Shame on me for letting her suck me in.

[breeze53]

Don't you hate when that happens. g-mom saying dad is very protective of his children. She's still talking to nancy grace. g/f is saying she *was* in the home. break to commercial.



Yes i do:crying: ok she says she put the kids to bed everynight at 8. I wonder if she was going to have someone come over after 8 and wanted to make sure the kids were asleep maybe she could have over drugged the little girl with some kind of medicine and she died. She found her like that and whoever was there helped get rid of the body before he got home. just a thought. Maybe the little boy went to sleep fast but Haleigh didnt and she od her.

[jewel6]

It would be the most wonderful thing. It can happen. I have prayed from day one. She's such a beautiful baby. at my age they're all babies.

I thought for sure elizabeth was not here, but look at the odd circumstances! yikes. we could all be wrong! jmo And i hope so!

[bluwaters]

Dr. Bethany Marshall just said the same thing - that Misty might be more scared of Ron than the cops. I agree with her. imo.
Oh, I agree with her as well.
That is exactly what I have thought from the beginning.
I think she should be afraid of him.
How can she tell the truth?

[hooked2]

Hey pebbles, do you really feel ron is faking his emotions? he seems as real as can be to me, its misty who picks my nerves about something.... anyway just curious...

Yeah, his emotions seem real to me too...

and yeah, something isn't right with Misti. I don't think she killed Haleigh, but she's not telling us everything either. Whether it's she left the house at night; she was drunk or high; has gut feelings or knowledge about a predator, etc...

[MidnightBlu]

NG is the one that claimed the AC guy was cleared last week

IMO Ron failed to pay a drug debt and someone is teaching him a lesson. Its not unheard of and this piece of chit has a long history of drug arrest and bio Mom and Gmother claimed in court papers he is a known drug dealer. just a theory.

My comment had nothing to do with an AC man. I was referring to the reports of Misty leaving the home.

[jewel6]

NG is the one that claimed the AC guy was cleared last week

IMO Ron failed to pay a drug debt and someone is teaching him a lesson. Its not unheard of and this piece of chit has a long history of drug arrest and bio Mom and Gmother claimed in court papers he is a known drug dealer. just a theory.

Drug dealers dont usually take kids! jmo

[breeze53]

He said that she is never awake when he comes home.

I read on another forum that Misty was known to have went with RC 's uncle. But i really dont know that as fact just read it a little while ago.

[Magnum357]

NG is the one that claimed the AC guy was cleared last week

IMO Ron failed to pay a drug debt and someone is teaching him a lesson. Its not unheard of and this piece of chit has a long history of drug arrest and bio Mom and Gmother claimed in court papers he is a known drug dealer. just a theory.

Long history of drug arrest? Wasn't there a charge in 2002, when he was 18? Anything since then?

[sunstar]

On Nancy Grace, they have the blinkie title thingie saying:

911: How the (bleep) you let my daughter get stole (bleep)?

Then they just played that again. I have thought from the beginning that Misty might have been out of the trailer that night, but was too scared to admit it because Ron's reaction. Then someone who knew Misty wasn't responsible -- came in and took Haleigh.

I think it's very possible she either went out and left the door unlocked and the perp walked in, or she had somebody over that night who did something to Haleigh ~ but she can't admit that because Ron would KILL HER! :scared: MOO

[jewel6]

I think it's very possible she either went out and left the door unlocked and the perp walked in ~ but she can't admit that because Ron would KILL HER! :scared: MOO

I think LE knows shes already cracked! JMO

[playnice]

Mark Klass isnt buying her story.

[kitty1182]

Mark Klass isnt buying her story.

I don't buy her story either..

[jewel6]

I'm out of the loop. How many arrest have their been? I saw one arrest with about 10 charges?

I beleive he was 17 and then one in 2006 but not for drugs. trespassing if im correct JMO

[kOOkie1]

Im trying to catch up..but Im wondering if the trailer had been empty for any length of time before they rented it?? It could be possible that someone may had been hanging around while it was empty a possible SO?? ..this is soo confusing so far do we know if the Pink shirt was def. what she was wearing the last time Misty saw Haleigh?? It is interesting that LE considers the house a crime scene plus not releasing any new clothing info. :confused:


(jmo)

[breeze53]

I don't buy her story either..

Me either . I tryed to tell myself I am wrong but my hinkey meter says i am not wrong.

[jewel6]

Do you guys think she hurt Haleigh?

[CC I See]

OK, I going to weigh in on this...... I support Marc Klass and side with him on this case as per Nancy Grace. Everything about Misti's story of the night Haleigh went missing stinks. Until she comes clean about where she was and what happened, we will not find out where Haleigh is.

As for the comment of Nancy Grace's phone guest, yes, her eyes look dilated, she looks like Misti is a beginner Meth user.

OK with that said, I stand ready to be blasted....

[Lynden1000]

Do you guys think she hurt Haleigh?

I'm thinking an SO was staking out the house and the little girl. Then when Misti left (assuming this is the case), he went in and got Haliegh.

[breeze53]

Do you guys think she hurt Haleigh?


I hope not and if she did i think it was because she was in the way that night.

[n/t]

Dr. Bethany Marshall just said the same thing - that Misty might be more scared of Ron than the cops. I agree with her. imo.

I think that was evident from the day 1. I posted snippets of the interview with Greta where Greta asks Misty some questions, she replies but Ron corrects her and she is left questioning herself. Specifically when it came to the sleeping arrangements. Misty described where they were sleeping...Ron says no and she replies no?

It sounds like she's being coached by him. Didn't he also tell her at one point to look at the camera.

He sounds like a control freak. I think she's terrified of him and what he might do if and when he finds out that this could possibly be a result of her negligence. I wouldn't want to be her right now, that's for sure.

[playnice]

Right I heard him saying that. He sounds really angry/adamant. I don't blame him. That's how I've felt. Cops basic rule if story changes that's a red flag the truth might not be forthcoming.

Maybe the tipster was with g/f that nite out of the house and that's how they know. JAT

Rev that lived there before says you can't sneak in that house. Floor makes noise.

I thought he also said from that back door you have to go thru laundy room, kitchen and LR to get to BR.

[breeze53]

I don't but she might have left her unattended. How far could she have removed this child with no means of transportation?

Thats where i think a b/f or brother may have steped in and helped remove her. Shes to little to tote Haleigh anywhere by herself.

[sunstar]

Mark Klass isnt buying her story.

I agree with him. :smile:

[n/t]

Do you guys think she hurt Haleigh?

No. I think she's hiding the truth out of fear. I said this from the beginning. She needs to speak up, get protection (lawyer) and start telling the truth for Haleigh's sake.

[jewel6]

I wonder if she has told ron everything from that night? I rember everyone accusing archie lundsford. also richard i cant remember his last name about elizabeth. Its awful. If shes responsible she should pay! JMO

[Magnum357]

so one arrest for drugs and one for trespassing?

Thanks for the info

There were a couple more but none for drugs. His rap sheet is posted somewhere. Maybe on the links thread.

[Mamie]

Dr. Bethany Marshall just said the same thing - that Misty might be more scared of Ron than the cops. I agree with her. imo.

I said that too, that I thought it may be the reason she waited for him to get home, in case she overlooked her somewhere in the house, he would get upset if he got home and found out she'd called the cops on her own.

But the latest news on NG was that this g/f wasn't home at the time? Somebody on this board said a couple of days ago that they thought that might be what happened. JMO

[Themis]

I know---I should have known better. But her opening statement included "Breaking news within the last few minutes.......and then went on to say Misty was NOT at home. Shame on me for letting her suck me in.
I learned long ago that is one of NG's ploys. She's certainly not the only one. It makes the channel surfer lock in, for a while at least.
The shocking sentence is qualified and weakened downstream.
I also try to remember that unprepared TH's have a producer talking to them on their ear mikes perhaps warning them to back off a bit, too.
It's more about ratings and their next contract. JMO

[sunstar]

Right I heard him saying that. He sounds really angry/adamant. I don't blame him. That's how I've felt. Cops basic rule if story changes that's a red flag the truth might not be forthcoming.

Maybe the tipster was with g/f that nite out of the house and that's how they know. JAT

Rev that lived there before says you can't sneak in that house. Floor makes noise.

Bolding this because I think it's a very important part of the equation! MOO

[playnice]

No. I think she's hiding the truth out of fear. I said this from the beginning. She needs to speak up, get protection (lawyer) and start telling the truth for Haleigh's sake.

She doesnt look as tough as CA. I would think LE and FBI would be able to break her fairly easy.

[jewel6]

At what age can a child in FL drop out of school without consequences? I think the last A grade she made was in "lying".MO I bet with all the inappropriate (for her age) things going on she has had to hone that skill.

16. you can drop out at 16 now!

[Themis]

g-mom's saying he's only been on that shift 5 or 6 weeks. she's guessing she can't remember exactly. Just that it's been recent. Teresa Neves (g-mom) saying her son (ron) picked her up from the bus stop that day.

picked who up at the bus stop? Teresa (g-mom) or Haleigh?

[MiamiNice1]

Had to Google "AFFRAY" (From Ron's Rap Sheet)

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Affray in English Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affray


A person is guilty of affray if a person uses or threatens unlawful violence towards another and the person's conduct is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety.

Where two or more persons use or threaten the unlawful violence, it is the conduct of them taken together that must be considered for the purpose of subsection (1)

For the purposes of this section a threat can not be made by the use of words alone.
No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
Affray may be committed in private as well as in public places.

[emdragon]

Mark Klass isnt buying her story.

But Mark also thinks LE leaked the tip that she wasn't at home.. To bad he is on NG show and not JVM who checked with LE prior to reporting the tip- and they believe she was at home. (but of course are checking out the tip)

[Destini]

Bolding this because I think it's a very important part of the equation! MOO

Reverend also said that master bedroom where they were sleeping is about 10x10 & has a garden tub in the corner of the room. He said they had a queen bed in the room & indicated it was crowded.

[emdragon]

picked who up at the bus stop? Teresa (g-mom) or Haleigh?

He picked up Haleigh

[n/t]

:ohmy:
First time I see the Rap Sheet. Dear God.:scared:

What if it's someone wanting revenge on Ron? It's endless. Poor Haleigh :sad:

[Themis]

OK, I going to weigh in on this...... I support Marc Klass and side with him on this case as per Nancy Grace. Everything about Misti's story of the night Haleigh went missing stinks. Until she comes clean about where she was and what happened, we will not find out where Haleigh is.

As for the comment of Nancy Grace's phone guest, yes, her eyes look dilated, she looks like Misti is a beginner Meth user.

OK with that said, I stand ready to be blasted....
I'm not going to blast you.

[3Monkeys]

See what you get for watching Geraldo and Brother Craig. I admit to watching his tabloid tv show occasionally.:wink:

Craig said that Misty told him that the cousin messed with Misty and molested another cousin. imo

[CC I See]

You think she might have moved the children out of the house with help from someone that night?

The tip indicates she left the children alone in the house while she left the house according to the reporter on CNN this afternoon. That's what the reporter said the buzz in the neighborhood is.

... we haven't heard anything about meals in that home. Did she cook or did they go down to the nearest burger place to eat. I would like for Nancy Grace to ask her what she fed the children for dinner that night. Did she cook or just give them snacks to eat. Somehow, I just can't see her cooking over a hot stove to make sure that the children ate a good meal. I'm thinking soda and peanut butter sandwiches.... which there is nothing wrong with, but not all of the time.

So what does what they had for dinner have to do with Haleigh being missing? Maybe someone came by and offered to take Misti to get something to eat that night and that was why she was not at home when Haleigh went missing.

[emdragon]

:ohmy:
First time I see the Rap Sheet. Dear God.:scared:

What if it's someone wanting revenge on Ron? It's endless. Poor Haleigh :sad:

Most of that is one arrest and several are illegal hunting charges- you think a deer came after Ron?

[CC I See]

Craig said that Misty told him that the cousin messed with Misty and molested another cousin. imo.... and we should beleive this because?

[Destini]

Craig said that Misty told him that the cousin messed with Misty and molested another cousin. imo

I would really, really like to know when this cousin was visiting recently & supposedly stole the gun. Did he visit with the brother & nephews the day Haleigh disappeared, or was it weeks or months ago? Why didn't NG ask the grandmother this question??

[jewel6]

Most of that is one arrest and several are illegal hunting charges- you think a deer came after Ron?

OMG! Its true his rap sheet seems long but if you look he turned states witness when he was 17. He had two other charges and im thinking it was poaching deer or alligators. now dont laugh! JMO

[hooked2]

I think that was evident from the day 1. I posted snippets of the interview with Greta where Greta asks Misty some questions, she replies but Ron corrects her and she is left questioning herself. Specifically when it came to the sleeping arrangements. Misty described where they were sleeping...Ron says no and she replies no?

It sounds like she's being coached by him. Didn't he also tell her at one point to look at the camera.

He sounds like a control freak. I think she's terrified of him and what he might do if and when he finds out that this could possibly be a result of her negligence. I wouldn't want to be her right now, that's for sure.

I saw that interview... she said Haleigh was in the other bed 3 or 4 INCHES away... Greta said 3 or 4 inches? He corrected the misinformation from Misti saying the beds are 4 FEET apart.

And yes, he told her to look at the camera, but she was confusing, mumbling, and slumped... given the severity of this situation, I may have told her to look at the camera too!

Not saying he isn't controlling, but he's also trying to find his daughter. If she was negligent, then she may have reason to be afraid, but that shouldn't trump telling the truth. She's only 17 and doesn't strike me as being the brightest bulb...

I remember not being impressed with Jessica Lunsford's dad initially--- but he definitely won my trust and my heart and I couldn't think more highly of him now!

[trich]

I said that too, that I thought it may be the reason she waited for him to get home, in case she overlooked her somewhere in the house, he would get upset if he got home and found out she'd called the cops on her own.

But the latest news on NG was that this g/f wasn't home at the time? Somebody on this board said a couple of days ago that they thought that might be what happened. JMO

I know I said it....I felt from the beginning she left the kids and when Haleigh went missing she was scared to death of what Ron would do.

[Themis]

I beleive he was 17 and then one in 2006 but not for drugs. trespassing if im correct JMO
As I recall, that trespassing was part of the same arrest for a hunting violation. Additionally RC was in possession of a modern gun during the season limited to muzzle loading firearms.

[3Monkeys]

.... and we should beleive this because?

Egggggggsactly!

[jewel6]

As I recall, that trespassing was part of the same arrest for a hunting violation. Additionally RC was in possession of a modern gun during the season limited to muzzle loading firearms.

Well he got one gun stolen supposedly and still has one because he was gonna kill the perp in the squad car! He was not charged with a felony because he turned states witness when he was17! JMO

[jewel6]

you mean bio mom that imo looks like an addict? Who couldn't keep custody? Who couldn't be bothered to keep doctors appts for the children? Who has gone on to have ANOTHER child she can't support?

I don't think Ron is a model parent, but please, don't try to pretend that bio mom is any kind of reliable source.

Well the mom has a record too! domestic violence on a child and drunkard disordaly conduct around the time she pregnant. JMO G ma filed charges on her too! JMO The whole thing stinks! JMO

[n/t]

Most of that is one arrest and several are illegal hunting charges- you think a deer came after Ron?


I see ONE illegal hunting charge. Maybe you're not looking at the same rap sheet.

And no I don't think a deer came after Ron.:thumbdown:

I'm more concerned about someone wanting revenge on him for

10/24/2001 - Assault Complaint


12/12/2002 - POSSESSION OF COCAINE, POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.


11/14/2006 - LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES

8/1/2006 - TRESPASS


4/3/2007 - AFFRAY

11/14/2007 - POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING SEASON, TRESPASS
Sentence: $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED, 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST

[Themis]

OMG! Its true his rap sheet seems long but if you look he turned states witness when he was 17. He had two other charges and im thinking it was poaching deer or alligators. now dont laugh! JMO
I'm not going to laugh as long as it was to put food on the table and not just to sell hide and skin for a $$$s -- leaving the carcass to rot.

[hooked2]

They started a new thread for tonight... come on over

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349296

[cloe23]

IMO its safe to assume when there is drug use that eventually you start selling to support the habit especially if your supporting 2 habits. JMO


Well you got it going on. NOT

[lonetraveler]

Why wait, wouldn't arresting Ron, put the fear of God into Misty to the point that if she knows anything she might talk? I don't think LE is having an issue with Ron and Misty's live in relationship. IMO


---
FGS, in many, many rural areas of United States the age of these two people and the fact that she is 17 yrs. old would not even raise an eyebrow. This is not an unusual situation in rural back woods of Florida or anyother similar place. If LE starts to concentrate on arresting people living in like situations then half of Florida and every other state would be behind bars. Not saying it's right, just pointing out that this is very common among rural and mostly poor and undereducated people.

[openminded]

Which is why I stopped watching her quite a while ago. It's more than unfair, it is irresponsible when reporting on truly serious cases like this one.

Nancy has never been one to let the facts get in the way of whatever point she wishes to make. IMO.

[lonetraveler]

I know I said it....I felt from the beginning she left the kids and when Haleigh went missing she was scared to death of what Ron would do.

---
I also said it and I still believe that she left them alone.

[cloe23]

sure helps when Mom is the dispatcher for LE

I give her an 'E' for being educated:biggrin:

[openminded]

At what age can a child in FL drop out of school without consequences? I think the last A grade she made was in "lying".MO I bet with all the inappropriate (for her age) things going on she has had to hone that skill.

As in most states, it's 16 in Florida. Statute below (which I Googled just now). Bolding mine:

Florida Statute 1003.21(1)(c) requires that, once a child reaches the age of 16, that child may file a formal declaration of intent to terminate school enrollment with the district school board. The declaration must be signed by the child and the child�s parent or legal guardian.

Here is the entire statute:

(c) A student who attains the age of 16 years during the school year is not subject to compulsory school attendance beyond the date upon which he or she attains that age if the student files a formal declaration of intent to terminate school enrollment with the district school board. Public school students who have attained the age of 16 years and who have not graduated are subject to compulsory school attendance until the formal declaration of intent is filed with the district school board. The declaration must acknowledge that terminating school enrollment is likely to reduce the student's earning potential and must be signed by the student and the student's parent. The school district must notify the student's parent of receipt of the student's declaration of intent to terminate school enrollment. The student's guidance counselor or other school personnel must conduct an exit interview with the student to determine the reasons for the student's decision to terminate school enrollment and actions that could be taken to keep the student in school. The student must be informed of opportunities to continue his or her education in a different environment, including, but not limited to, adult education and GED test preparation. Additionally, the student must complete a survey in a format prescribed by the Department of Education to provide data on student reasons for terminating enrollment and actions taken by schools to keep students enrolled.