Heads up--Palin interview tonight

[daniel green]

On GVS, Fox.

Apparently GVS interviews the daughter, Bristol, as well.

[DenverDem]

I think there is only ONE Governor Palin, at least I hope so.

When is Fox going to interview the OTHER 49 governors?? I hope soon! We wouldn't want to think Fox has an agenda they are pushing, would we? What has Sarah Palin done since the election that is newsworthy?
What have all the OTHER 49 governors done since the election?

One is now on Obama's cabinet, another was impeached, let's see, any other ones that made any news OTHER THAN those two? I don't recall Governor Sarah Palin having made any news.

[MagicGarden]

That would be Governor Palin, of which there are only 50 Governors in the USA. I bet the libs will be out in full force crucifying an eighteen year old. Maybe Sandra Bernhard, Joy Behr, Debbie Wasserman and other View girls will be making comments on these lovely women.

People just can't seem to get enough of Gov. Palin and I so thought their every need would have been fulfilled on 1/20. :biggrin:

[dinojen]

Greta... and obsession with Palin... that is hilarious...

No I think a few posters here at IS have that honorary title.. :tonguewag:

[LisaM22]

On GVS, Fox.

Apparently GVS interviews the daughter, Bristol, as well.

a real interview where she is asked real questions and actually answers them - lol - or more of the same

[Susan43]

I'll bet the GVS gets her highest ratings of the new year.

[daniel green]

a real interview where she is asked real questions and actually answers them - lol - or more of the same

True. Point taken.

It won't be an interview. More like a friendly chat.

[daniel green]

Does anyone have a link to any current poll? The 60's number was from Spt 08.

TIA

[daniel green]

This is the only one I can find off hand. It is from last month and has Palin 31% to Murkowski’s 58% if Palin ran for the Senate.

[DenverDem]

Glad you said this..........and there is only ONE President, so make sure you say President Obama from now on instead of just Barack or Obama. Thanks

Now can someone explain to me why FOX is so obsessed with Gov Palin?

IMO...It's obvious to me and about 99% of the rest of the country that Gov Palin doesn't have a future as a GOP leader, so why are they still kissing her rear end?

Why is FOX not following Gov Jindal around?

Maybe because Governor Palin looks a lot better (physically attractive) on TV than Governor Jindal, at least for the boys and men in the Fox viewer audience. IMO Governor Jindal is boring to watch and listen to.

[daniel green]

I just googled Palin/Murkowski poll and the articles from December 19, 08 have Governor Palin trouncing the Senator at Palin 55% and Murkowski 31%. Actually, the reverse of your post. snipped

Here is the poll:

http://www.thealaskastandard.com/?q=node/232 showing that Murkowski would defeat Palin, by a margin of 58 percent to 31 percent.

From:
03 January 2009

[DenverDem]

Here is the poll:

http://www.thealaskastandard.com/?q=node/232 showing that Murkowski would defeat Palin, by a margin of 58 percent to 31 percent.

From:
03 January 2009

It's always nice to use timely links like this. Sarah's popularity in Alaska is dwindling daily, I would say.

[Mosgranny]

ohhhhhhhh she has a book coming out

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/138050

"A new biography of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin reveals that her secret pregnancy with son Trig was nearly uncovered when one of her daughters discovered Trig's prenatal ultrasound scan and confronted Palin with the picture..."


wow why was she keeping Trig a secret from her family?

Gather you did not read the complete article in that link, as it gave the answer to your question.

"Not discussing the pregnancy with her daughters, she felt, would shorten the process and spare them from unwanted attention," according to the book...

[ortiga]

Here's another link to a story of today about the book:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29223126

Apparently, according to the article, she wanted to spare the daughters from unwanted attention, which is why she kept it a secret from them, in part.

and, according to the article that has a quote from her......

She didn't know in her heart if she would be ready to embrace a child with special needs.

More at link for the full quotes.

[Mosgranny]

People just can't seem to get enough of Gov. Palin and I so thought their every need would have been fulfilled on 1/20. :biggrin:

Maybe she now realizes being in the media is the way to win an election.

[livia786]

Goodness i'm starting to think Greta has an obsession with Sarah barf

I'm pretty sure Rupert Murdoch does. He is the major shareholder, chairman and managing director of News Corporation (News Corp). Beginning with one newspaper in Adelaide, and Fox is one of his entities.
IMO :scared:

[DenverDem]

I bet that the majority of this forum will be tuning in.

IMO :thumbsup:

Not so fast, Happy! I certainly NEVER allow Fox channels to be shown in my home. If people want to watch, they have to go elsewhere, I have 2 great TV shows to watch, with Keith Olbermann, followed by Rachel Maddow, every weeknight.

Rachel has some great guests on, including former Presidents, Governors, etc. but I'm sure Governor Palin won't agree to be on her show.

[ortiga]

People, could we pls stick to the topic? Perhaps folks who view the interview can post updates or info about it.

Thank you.

There is a short preview available on Foxnews.com, video section, Greta and Palin's daughter.

[livia786]

Not so fast, Happy! I certainly NEVER allow Fox channels to be shown in my home. If people want to watch, they have to go elsewhere, I have 2 great TV shows to watch, with Keith Olbermann, followed by Rachel Maddow, every weeknight.

Rachel has some great guests on, including former Presidents, Governors, etc. but I'm sure Governor Palin won't agree to be on her show.

Here-Here!!! Me too. I only watch Keith and Rachel. I think Palin would go on Rachel's show; when donkies fly! :lol: :lol: Rachel will chew her up and spit her out in a NY second. I so wish she'd go on her show!! :lol

IMO

[livia786]

There is a short preview available on Foxnews.com, video section, Greta and Palin's daughter.

This may be a silly questions, but why on earth would anyone want to listen to Palin's daughter, or care what she has to say? :confused:

IMO

[daniel green]

There is a short preview available on Foxnews.com, video section, Greta and Palin's daughter.

Thx, Ortiga! Will go watch it.

[theal3]

Fox has been advertising it for days with "see how Bristol enjoys being a teenage mother." :confused:

[daniel green]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3624797&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

[DenverDem]

Yes they were. Gibson turned himself from a respected anchor into a disgraced fool and Couric still has not recovered from her poor performance in that "interview". I, for one will never watch either one of them again. I don't believe I am alone in this boycott. The Governor is still flying high and I think will be the first woman President.

Well, you sound like a Palin supporter to me. Your opinions are duly noted.

Whether there are any facts behind your opinions, I'll have to say I can't find them. Charlie Gibson, "disgraced"? No evidence I can find of it. Couric gained a lot of respect from fellow interviewers for her diplomatic statements about Governor Palin after the interviews.

Does Gretta ever talk politics? I thought she only covers sensationalist stories about missing teenagers and missing Congressional interns.

[livia786]

Fox has been advertising it for days with "see how Bristol enjoys being a teenage mother." :confused:

"".........see how Bristol enjoys being a teenage mother."

That's just plain disgusting. I guess Palin wants to teach our teenagers that is something they should aspire to???? Not on your life. I think "most" parents are teaching their children just the opposite, but that's just MO.

I don't believe in that type of lifestyle for any teenagers, and I don't think it has any place on TV. Glorifying an obvious irresponsible act is also irresponsible, IMO.

[dinojen]

That is not how the show was advertised but why would I expect anything else on a Palin thread.. :rolleyes:

Nothing like sticking to a slim selection of shows that cover one view point.. being Keith and Rachel, that explains alot of the posting around here.. on many threads.

Hilarious... really really hilarious the mention of Gov. Palin and the worms crawl out of the woodwork...:rolleyes:

[DenverDem]

Oh yeah! Like the Governor has gotten herself elected for the last ten years plus and to one of the highest posts in the land cause she can't handle politicians, press and other liberals. She handled Gwen very well and Joe Biden. Handeled herself beautifully during the campaing and I would force myself to watch MSNBC to see the Governor take on ?Rachael Who. Gibson and Couric have still not recovered from their encounter with the Governor.

Governor Palin is in her FIRST TERM at Governor of the state of Alaska. She was previously elected to a part time position as mayor of a small Alaska city for approximately 6 years, and was a city council member for four years previous to that. She was NOT elected LT Governor in 2002, and spent four years out of elected office. Her total years in any elective office , (six as part time Mayor) number 12, only slightly over two of which are as Governor of one of America's least populated states.

As to how she "handled Gwen", avoiding direct answers to questions comes to mind, along with lots of winks at the camera.

[livia786]

Governor Palin is in her FIRST TERM at Governor of the state of Alaska. She was previously elected to a part time position as mayor of a small Alaska city for approximately 6 years, and was a city council member for four years previous to that. She was NOT elected LT Governor in 2002, and spent four years out of elected office. Her total years in any elective office , (six as part time Mayor) number 12, only slightly over two of which are as Governor of one of America's least populated states.

As to how she "handled Gwen", avoiding direct answers to questions comes to mind, along with lots of winks at the camera.

I love "FACTS". Thank you!!!!! Here's winking at you!!!!:wink::wink:
Gotcha :wink:

[livia786]

She kept Gwen quiet and kept her from giving the Governor the liberal smear and sneer, like Gibson and Couric engaged in their "interviews". Who cares how populated the state is as Alaska is helping us with our energy independence which is far more important then how many people live there. Love the Polar Bears, who BTW are increasing their numbers. I personally love the wink and far more captivating than the ummmmmmmms and you knows that comes from the Harvard/Columbia graduates like Caroline Kennedy and Obama.

"I personally love the wink ................."

It's an important quality in a politician. :lol: :lol: IMO It's the first thing I ALWAYS look for! No wink, no vote!!!!!! :lol:

imo

[livia786]

I have been watching FOX and have yet to see them promote it that way. That is a mistruth. IMO

Really? You must have missed it because my friend actually recorded it so I could see it. I didn't believe it either. It's very tacky, imo. :thumbdown:

[livia786]

OMG they have a video of Greta talking to Bristol and she askes Bristol "if i would have asked you a year ago how things would have been what would you have said " and Bristol said " i would have never thought i would have been a mother or my mom would have been CHOSEN VICE PRESIDENT.........."

HEY i thought Joe Biden was chosen......Did i miss something?

haha I can't believe it. She's a chip off the old block, isn't she? :lol: :lol: :tonguewag: IMO

[ortiga]

I just saw it on the FOX report with Shepard Smith. I was shocked. I'm a little shocked, didn't Gov Palin say she didnt want the media around her children or talking about Bristols pregnancy?

either

1) Bristol Palin decided on her own to go on Greta

or

2) Sarah Palin now does approve of the children attracting media attention.

IMO

[dinojen]

WHERE DOES IT SAY "".........see how Bristol enjoys being a teenage mother??????



It doesn't.. that's why your not getting an answer..

Don't ya just love the twist of words... been watching it being promoted all weekend and I have yet to hear them use the words "enjoy being a teenage mother"...

But you have to consider the poster I guess... twist and turn and make sure you call Obama.. President Obama.. he's no longer just Obama.. now make sure your remember that..:rolleyes:

[ortiga]

Shep just paraphrased "it's hard work and not glamorous at all".

So much for glorifying anything.

Do you think that Governor Palin arranged the interview between Greta and her daughter? If so, why?

[MagicGarden]

oh really? who's talked about her lately? She's sooooo yesterday. Why is FOX following her around? of course if she's in the spotlight people are going to talk.


Jen your a dem are you supporting Gov Palin?

Jen, why is FallenAngel always asking you personal questions?

[livia786]

Obviously, very few people could carry it off. The Governor happens to be one of those people who can and is absolutly charming while doing it. And the Governor who graduated from the University of Idaho with a stop in Hawaii has no Verbal Tics like "you know". Love the Gov.

I'm sorry, but I never thought of a Vice Presidential candidate winking as a desirable trait, or image. To each his own. imo :lol: :lol:

You can put down our Pres. all you want, but the FACT of the matter is, HE IS THE PRESIDENT. :thumbup: The majority voted him in. IMO

[MagicGarden]

MG, do you support Gov Palin to be the 2012 R. Pres Nominee?

or is that to personal for you?

I would say that is none of your business. :shrug:

[livia786]

I just saw it on the FOX report with Shepard Smith. I was shocked. I'm a little shocked, didn't Gov Palin say she didnt want the media around her children or talking about Bristols pregnancy?

She's said a lot of things, often contradicting herself time and time again. No surprises there. IMO :lol:

[ortiga]

She's said a lot of things, often contradicting herself time and time again. No surprises there. IMO :lol:

The way I understood it, bottom line, was that she wanted her kids kept out of the national discussion. Wasn't that what her whole criticism of the media was about?

I doubt that her daughter arranged the interview with Greta on her own. IMO

[mrrogers]

well she sure didnt look like the other preganant pics of her
some guy figured out it could have been bristols kid
i mean what women would go do a speech after her water starting leaking
then hang out for an airplane back to alaska then pass boo cu hosptals to have her baby at that smal clinic she normally goes too
the preganant picture i saw of her she was huge
she never looked huge this time
i think greta has a thing for palin

[MagicGarden]

ok what are we suppose to ask people on here? it's a political thread and we can't ask people how they feel about candidates? :tonguewag:

I'll take your none answer as a YES but you don't want to tell anyone..........hey that's just MY OPINION :)


If it's that important to you, take it any way you like. :shrug:

[livia786]

Why?

What Bristol does or doesn't do is really not the business of posters on a message board.




JMO

Sure it is! The minute she appears on a TV TH's show, she's fair game. The smart thing would have been for her NOT to appear on GVS. They do seem to love the lime-light! IMO :lol:

[livia786]

Ok i must have missed something, sorry Happy. But what are winkers?
and IMO there is NOTHING disgusting about a teenage mother. God bless them.

I never posted anything close to what Happy 8 said. I agree with you. There is nothing disgusting about a teenage Mother, or any Mother, for that matter. imo :thumbup:

[livia786]

Bumped for placement above roboposter, libby.

[livia786]

Bump to page 1

[Charms]

I don't like Palin. There is nothing she can ever say or do to erase her nastiness on the campaign trail. Not only did she disrespect Pres Obama, but her running mate as well.
She is nauseating as a woman , a wife and a mother. JMO of course.

[livia786]

I don't like Palin. There is nothing she can ever say or do to erase her nastiness on the campaign trail. Not only did she disrespect Pres Obama, but her running mate as well.
She is nauseating as a woman , a wife and a mother. JMO of course.


I agree! I didn't watch GVS, but instead opt to wait for SNL. You just know they're going to have fun with this! :lol:

I don't watch Fox, and I stopped listening to Palin after the Couric interview.

[theal3]

I watched the whole interview: and very interesting. GVS asked GREAT questions. I thought she would not, but she did. She is the only TH that seems her own self on Fox. And Okay she delivers viewers. She asked Bristol questions on Birth control, obstaining etc, GVS operated like a prosecutor. It was good. Very revealing.

I watch all sides, then decide. I wish the Right or GOPers would admit, some stations or papers on the left, have good points. Beck made some good points too, today. And I'm a diehard Dem raised in private religious schools. The FAR RIGHT, mix religion with politics, just has to go away. Then the business of governing and parties etc, for the country, can continue. I am so tired of turning on TV or Radio and getting church lectures on "morality." TV is not supposed to be used for that. IMHO. Beware of media brainwashing on all sides. I watch all, not just one.

[crocdog]

I hope Palin talks about her book, how to Drill, Drill, Drill and goes for the presidency instead of Vice President. She will have great talking points, made up by a speech writer, to get peoples attention on the issues, just another political pawn, LOL.

RE: [...and goes for the presidency instead of Vice President.]

I certainly hope so.

In My Opinion, an excellent choice for VP would be Joe, the Plumber, who is now the foreign policy expert for the Repubs.:tonguewag:

[Mosgranny]

I agree! I didn't watch GVS, but instead opt to wait for SNL. You just know they're going to have fun with this! :lol:

I don't watch Fox, and I stopped listening to Palin after the Couric interview.

Fox News us the #1 ranking cable news sources for the past 7 years.

http://www.mondotimes.com/3/review/4221


In primetime, Fox News was up 41% in total viewers, averaging just over 2 million viewers. In news’ target demographic of 25- to 54-year-olds, the network averaged 502,000 viewers, a gain of 43%.

Fox News will finish the year as the most-watched cable news network—for the seventh consecutive year. The network is the No. 3 ranked basic-cable network in primetime, behind USA and ESPN. CNN is ranked 10th and MSNBC is ranked 22nd.

[flareon]

That resume is a lot more impressive than BHO's.:biggrin:

That's the truth. :smile:

[flareon]

Try watching FOX.

You might learn something! :wink:

Watch out. You are going to be bombarded with their silly talking points about FOX. They've repeated them so much they probably spew them in their sleep. :biggrin:

[Mosgranny]

In My Opinion, Faux is an Entertainment Cable Show.

You do know they went to court to get the legal right to distort the news, don't you? I can get you a LINK if you want.

I kept reading that link here, some seem to want to keep cramming it down others throats. But TIA for the info.

Lie, deceive, ignore the facts, spin, all the media sources do that, not just Fox.

All news sources are for entertainment value these days. Honest reporting died when Cronkite stopped doing the news.

[Mosgranny]

Are you really ok with FOX going to court and getting a court order letting them LIE?

They might be the most watched but they sure aren't the most honest.

Yet you still watch it. As you have talked about watching the interview last night with Bristol.

So it can't be that bad, now can it?


I kept reading that link here, some seem to want to keep cramming it down others throats. But TIA for the info.

Lie, deceive, ignore the facts, spin, all the media sources do that, not just Fox.

All news sources are for entertainment value these days. Honest reporting died when Cronkite stopped doing the news.

[Mosgranny]

re: [Lie, deceive, ignore the facts, spin, all the media sources do that, not just Fox.]

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about the core/base of the Republican Party. [Just My Opinion]

Have a point, this is why so many demo cabinet nominees are withdrawing for tax cheats. This is why bills are being passed by dems that have never been read.

BTW this is the SP heads up thread, is that correct?

[Mosgranny]

"".........see how Bristol enjoys being a teenage mother."

That's just plain disgusting. I guess Palin wants to teach our teenagers that is something they should aspire to???? Not on your life. I think "most" parents are teaching their children just the opposite, but that's just MO.

I don't believe in that type of lifestyle for any teenagers, and I don't think it has any place on TV. Glorifying an obvious irresponsible act is also irresponsible, IMO.


Teen pregnancy & unwed pregnacy has been on the rise since the 70's.

Movies about teen pregnacies have been made, still has not slowed it down.

This is not and I repeat is NOT a SP teaching. It is world wide, long before we heard the SP or BP name. MHO

[dinojen]

You were putting Bristol down for being a teenage mother.....

So was wondering what was the difference between you and her

MOO

Good question... I honestly don't think Bristol and her boyfriend (been a long day and his name slips my mind).. planned on this little bundle of joy but I am happy to see how they have stepped up to being parents. I know of way to many teens or young adults in their early twenties that use abortion as a means of birth control.. They have accepted the responsibility of parenthood and I think they will do fine.

I know I would never of been ready for a child at 18.. heck I had my first at 21 and was totally freaked out... lol... surprised the little sweetie survived... the second was easier and the third was a piece of cake... comes with age..

And Bristol was right.. wait 10 years...have a home, career and then think about kids.. but accidents do happen and both of them accepted it very well I think. JMHO

[LisaM22]

Bristol's interview was interesting, one thing that made me think was her saying that telling her mom she was pregnant was harder then the delivery and she wished she had not had a child for at least 10 more years until she had grown up more - at least she has put off marriage now, I think that is a good idea - Bristol is fortunate that she has a family that is able to support her, she will do just fine

[justaguy]

Goodness i'm starting to think Greta has an obsession with Sarah barf

i don't think it is her. to me, it is clear she has been given a directive to do the "soft work" with palin..ie go to her house,do non-issue interviews..or ask the questions and let palin answer any way she wants without followup. its sad..i have lost respect for greta in the past 18 months...but i am sure she wants to keep her job.

[razrbladromance]

Originally Posted by Happy 8)
How is being a young mother disgusting? Back in the 50's and even the early 60's, it was not uncommon for women to be married and pregnant by the time they were 18. Are they disgusting? How is any unborn child termed "disgusting".

Should Sarah have let Bristol be a pessimist and deem her life over because there are uptight people in the world who think teenage mothers are "disgusting"?

Should she have had an abortion and then became a teengae murderer instead?


My mother had me at the age of 19. Is she disgusting?


IMO



The point is Bristol has a choice. If she wanted to have an abortion she could have done so.. it's her choice. How can you sit there and say that she would have been a "teenage murderer"? That's such an extreme way to put it.


Abortion is a legal procedure. Bristol is an adult. If she wanted to have an abortion she could have and it would be nobody's business really, especially without having to be labeled a "teenage murderer". :rolleyes:
I'm glad that Bristol is admitting that abstinence obviously doesn't work.

I did watch the interview and she is not well spoken. She actually seemed fidgety and seemed to reply to questions with an "Um" or "Like".

I really hope the Palins would just go back to their igloo in Alaska. Palin will never be elected President or Vice President simply because she does not have the credentials, knowledge, experience or verbal skills to do so, IMO. She has made that quite evident in her interviews with Couric and Gibson. Palin, IMO is deluding herself if she ever thinks she'll make it to the White House. It simply won't happen because she's had her chance and she blew it. There are far more qualified, experienced, Ivy League educated candidates out there.

[lunchlady]

I thought Bristol spoke well and looked great. I ended up feeling sorry for her though. She is stuck in Wasilla, not going to college, dependent on her family, not married, probably doesn't get to sleep in the same bed with Levi at night, and her carefree youth is over. She will make the best of it and her family will help her out, and maybe she'll even live happily ever after with Levi. I don't think her kid will suffer any, but I agree with her that waiting would have been better. Being responsible for a baby at 18 is a big shock for most girls, even if they get a little free babysitting here and there.

Greta is a huge Palin supporter so I didn't expect her to grill Bristol. She did try to get her to say more about why abstinence isn't such a good idea. Bristol should have just said "It doesn't work! Duh! Look what happened to me!"

When teens have serious romances and start making out they need birth control, because the temptation goes up so high and many of them don't even want to resist it. Even if they don't get around to having sex and using the birth control it gives the message that the most important thing is controlling their lives and not just hoping things will work out the way they want. That's an adult perspective, and sex is an adult activity because of the potential consequences. I wonder if Sarah now wishes she'd encouraged that for Bristol instead of abstinence.

[alterEgo©]

I'm glad that Bristol is admitting that abstinence obviously doesn't work.

snipped

Say what? Abstinence causes pregnancy?

Since when :ohmy:

[lunchlady]

Say what? Abstinence causes pregnancy?

Since when :ohmy:

Since many people aren't able to maintain abstinence. They need Plan B or else they become parents. I know some people don't have a lot of trouble being abstinent, but some people obviously do have trouble. And condoms help prevent STDs also so they are a good idea even for older people. If abstinence worked as the one strategy I would support it- it would solve a lot of problems- but it doesn't seem to work for many people. Community standards for sexual behavior aren't going back to the Good Old Days anytime soon, even if it were mandated by law. Even my most old fashioned neighbor lets her unmarried 35 year old daughter sleep in the guest room with her long time boyfriend. She used to send them to a hotel, or let the daughter stay but not the boyfriend, but she finally gave up on that.

To prevent pregnancies either teens need to be abstinent or use birth control. The problem is when they aren't abstinent AND don't use birth control. Some teens feel guilty about seeking birth control even after they become sexually active because it means they are "planning" to do it, not just getting carried away now and then. That's a set up for teen pregnancy. I would rather my teens aren't sexually active until they are at least 18, but its even more important to me that they not get STDs or become parents too early to get their lives organized the way they want them to be. I've told them that and will try to not yell if they start asking for birth control. Should I take it out of their allowance?

[razrbladromance]

Birth controll does not work either or there would not be millions of abortion done every year or the grocery stores full of babies and unwed mothers. These kids are going to do what they want to do. Bristol is not the first teenager to get pregnant and won't be the last. Its a morality issue not a choice of birth control issue. IMO
And girls don't wear the scarlet A anymore, either. Did you really want to see Greta grilling an eighteen year old girl on National TV about sex? Not me!
Bristol was absolutly beautiful and spoke very well. Nothing could convince me to live anywhere it is cold but the folks in Alaska like it. As we say about the NC barrier islands "stuck in Duck". Well, we are all stuck somewhere and Sometimes a banana is just a banana.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but BC does work when used consistently and correctly.


I know from experience. Anyone couple in a relationship this day and age who has an unwanted pregnancy either a) didn't use birth control at all b) didn't use it correctly/consistently.

I use birth control and have never been pregnant, or ever needed to have an abortion. It's called being responsible.

Obviously the Palins tried to delude themselves into thinking that Bristol and her boyfriend were off just playing tiddlywinks :rolleyes: Obviously if you leave two teenagers who are dating alone for a long time SOMETHING is bound to happen. That's why it's important to educate teenagers about contraception and consequences of having sex.

Palin's preaching on abstinence is a such a joke. I'm glad Bristol disagrees with her mother on abstinence.

[lunchlady]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but BC does work when used consistently and correctly.


I know from experience. Anyone couple in a relationship this day and age who has an unwanted pregnancy either a) didn't use birth control at all b) didn't use it correctly/consistently.

I use birth control and have never been pregnant, or ever needed to have an abortion. It's called being responsible.

Obviously the Palins tried to delude themselves into thinking that Bristol and her boyfriend were off just playing tiddlywinks :rolleyes: Obviously if you leave two teenagers who are dating alone for a long time SOMETHING is bound to happen. That's why it's important to educate teenagers about contraception and consequences of having sex.

Palin's preaching on abstinence is a such a joke. I'm glad Bristol disagrees with her mother on abstinence.

I agree with your post, except that all methods of birth control except sterilization have a failure rate, even when used perfectly. They certainly reduce the risk dramatically, but you are still playing a numbers game.
A lot of people my age are diaphragm babies, including me. That's not as bad as it might sound at first, because without the diaphragm a woman might have had 20 pregnancies in 25 years and with the diaphragm have had 3 or 4. Big difference. The phrase they used was "limiting family size". Same with condoms. The birth control pill changed people's expectations of birth control, that it could completely prevent pregnancy, which was still not quite true, but a lot closer than previous methods.
If a woman is going to be sexually active she is still running a risk of pregnancy with birth control, especially in actual use which is often not perfect. So she has to either be willing to have a baby or have an an abortion or be very conflicted about her options. That's the message that I think teenagers should get. IMO getting them to make choices from an responsible adult perspective is better than expecting them to act like children longer than they feel like children.

[razrbladromance]

Say what? Abstinence causes pregnancy?

Since when :ohmy:


Are you serious? :rolleyes:


First of all, you took my quote out of context.


Nowhere did I say "abstinence = pregnancy". Lack of contraception=pregnancy.

I meant that Palin's ridiculous preaching of "abstinence only" is unrealistic. Especially for her daughter Bristol, who now has a child.
The whole "abstinence only" thing didn't quite work, did it?

Teenagers who try to practice abstinence are faced with temptation. Often times, temptation and hormones overrule abstinence. Also, since Bristol was having sex with her boyfriend, you don't honestly think she could have gone to her mother and said "Hey mom, can you take me to the doctor so I can get a prescription for birth control?" Especially with all the bible-thumping and abstinence preaching that Sarah Palin does.




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She took everyone by storm and scares the Liberal Left, cause we got our own Media Star. IMO


Media joke is more like it.

[lunchlady]

Are you serious? :rolleyes:


First of all, you took my quote out of context.


Nowhere did I say "abstinence = pregnancy". Lack of contraception=pregnancy.

I meant that Palin's ridiculous preaching of "abstinence only" is unrealistic. Especially for her daughter Bristol, who now has a child.
The whole "abstinence only" thing didn't quite work, did it?

Teenagers who try to practice abstinence are faced with temptation. Often times, temptation and hormones overrule abstinence. Also, since Bristol was having sex with her boyfriend, you don't honestly think she could have gone to her mother and said "Hey mom, can you take me to the doctor so I can get a prescription for birth control?" Especially with all the bible-thumping and abstinence preaching that Sarah Palin does.




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Media joke is more like it.

Levi could have also taken some responsibility and bought some condoms at the store. Was he too lazy, too cheap, too embarrassed to buy them? Whatever, now he's a daddy.
Encouraging adult-style decision making is key for boys too. Taking risks is seen as part of the fun by some teenagers, whether its driving or drinking/drugs or sex. Boys need at least as much encouragement to take the risk of pregnancy seriously.

[alterEgo©]

Are you serious? :rolleyes:


First of all, you took my quote out of context.


Nowhere did I say "abstinence = pregnancy". Lack of contraception=pregnancy.

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Um, your quote that you claim I took out of context isn't even the one I was responding to.

Here is your Quote again:

Abortion is a legal procedure. Bristol is an adult. If she wanted to have an abortion she could have and it would be nobody's business really, especially without having to be labeled a "teenage murderer". :rolleyes:
I'm glad that Bristol is admitting that abstinence obviously doesn't work.

Hate to burst your bubble, but abstinence does indeed work. Unless you have an example of a someone who practiced abstinence and got pregnant.

The problem is not fulling the so-called vow of abstinence. And Bristrol NEVER 'amitted it doesn't work'. She said abstinence was not realistic.

[lunchlady]

And maybe a condom broke. Actually, abstience is 100% effective. The father of this beautiful baby is over eighteen and was at the time of the event. In the eyes of the Law, he is no more a boy then seventeen year old Bristol was a child. And the age of consent in Alaska is sixteen. I think this fascination with Levi and Bristol's lives is unhealthy like renting a Porn movie. UGH!.
IMO:cursing:

Hmmmm.... Well, if Bristol goes on TV to discuss being a mother and what that's like then apparently lots of people are fascinated, not just the ones of us who think teen pregnancy isn't a great idea and want to discuss how it can be prevented. She made it clear that teen motherhood is not "ideal" and that abstinence wasn't "realistic", so I don't think agreeing with her is such a bad thing. She said repeatedly she would have preferred to wait 10 years and have her adult life set up more, which I think is completely reasonable.
Equating or comparing discussions of birth control with renting a porn movie makes me realize how uncomfortable is can be to discuss these issues for some people. And I don't think anyone is concerned about age of consent for Bristol or adult status for Levi.

[lunchlady]

ABC:
We can call Levi a man or a guy if you want, since he's 18 and especially since he's walking in adult shoes. And we can call Bristol a woman for the same reasons. But when the pregnancy started about a year ago I think most people would still have agreed that they were kids and not objected to calling them a boy or a girl. They were both supposed to be seniors in high school this year.
I was actually starting to worry that the discussion was getting too general and too far from the the Palin family, not overly focused on them.

[razrbladromance]

Hate to burst your bubble, but razrbladromance nailed it. Abstinence doesn´t work is the same thing. It means if you are a parent, don´t preach abstinence. It´s not realistic. It won´t work. In reality, most teenagers want to be popular, and do things popular teenagers do. Abstinence is not popular or desirable. imo


Exactly feelings:thumbup:


What I mean is that Sarah Palin should not be preaching abstinence only education because as Bristol states, it's not "realistic". Two teenagers left alone unsupervised will often have sex. It's human nature.

Yes, if you have enough self-control to practice abstinence all the time then it will work, 100%. We all know Bristol and her boyfriend did not have enough self-control to practice abstinence. If they're mature enough to have sex, then they should be mature enough to use contraceptives. It's really that simple.

This is why sex education and a little common sense is important.

[lunchlady]

The NAEA (National Abstinence Education Associaiton) has come out with a statement criticizing Bristol. How ironic!
It will be interesting to see if Governor Palin will say anything at all. She can please the NAEA and The Base OR she can support her daughter's position, which would be a change for Sarah. Or she can say nothing at all and hope that The Base doesn't call her out on the issue in the future.