Monday, Feb. 16

[desmom]

:rose: for Haleigh

[desmom]

Sheriff scales back Haleigh Cummings search
With 500 leads in six days, main operations move back to Sheriff's Office.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh

Amber Alert -- Haleigh Search Draws 500 Leads
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html

[Katt2]

I am very fearful for a good outcome finding this dear little girl alive. It has been too many days with no substantial clues as to what may have happened to her. I just hope that the family can find some closure even if it means finding her little body.

[desmom]

Families of missing know the fear, pain
Relatives remember the agony that Haleigh Cummings' family faces now, and how to deal with it.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-02-16/story/families_of_missing_know_the_fear_pain

[desmom]

Candles for Haleigh

:rose::rose::rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

[desmom]

I am very fearful for a good outcome finding this dear little girl alive. It has been too many days with no substantial clues as to what may have happened to her. I just hope that the family can find some closure even if it means finding her little body.

I agree Katt2. I got up this morning hoping to see good news in the headlines.

I hope one of the 500 leads LE has received leads to this precious child.

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Still so many questions. What happened to the trail from the cadavar dogs that led them to the lake or was it a pond? What about the footprint? Was it Haleigh's? Fingerprints on the cinder block or the door? Who did the fingerprints belong to? Were there any tire tracks? Any evidence that there was a car in the area that led to the house excluding Ron's?

I just pray they don't let this case get cold but without any significant leads, I suppose there's not much they can do. Very sad. :sad:

[Elvish2]

Sheriff scales back Haleigh Cummings search
With 500 leads in six days, main operations move back to Sheriff's Office.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh

Amber Alert -- Haleigh Search Draws 500 Leads
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html

Thanks for the new thread desmom! So ominous the mere suggestion of the search scale back. :unsure:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

[desmom]

Good Morning,

Still so many questions. What happened to the trail from the cadavar dogs that led them to the lake or was it a pond? What about the footprint? Was it Haleigh's? Fingerprints on the cinder block or the door? Who did the fingerprints belong to? Were there any tire tracks? Any evidence that there was a car in the area that led to the house excluding Ron's?

I just pray they don't let this case get cold but without any significant leads, I suppose there's not much they can do. Very sad. :sad:

What about the neighbors? Have they noticed any strange cars in the neighborhood? Door-to-Door Salesman? Every neighborhood has an insomniac or two, did they see or hear anything odd? What about the other children in the neighborhood - has any adult tried to approach them in the last month? Have there been any new substitute teachers at Haleigh's school?

Did Haleigh's bio-mom and family take polys?

[n/t]

What about the neighbors? Have they noticed any strange cars in the neighborhood? Door-to-Door Salesman? Every neighborhood has an insomniac or two, did they see or hear anything odd? What about the other children in the neighborhood - has any adult tried to approach them in the last month? Have there been any new substitute teachers at Haleigh's school?

Did Haleigh's bio-mom and family take polys?


As of Friday, I don't believe they did. On NG's show, the maternal grandma said the family members were going to be re interviewed. We don't know if that happened or not and what came out of it.


I haven't had a chance to watch Geraldo from the links posted. Was anything significant discussed?

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. The Today show is doing a spot about Haleigh. The lead in said that the search has been called off?? I hope they mean temporarily. :huh:

[desmom]

As of Friday, I don't believe they did. On NG's show, the maternal grandma said the family members were going to be re interviewed. We don't know if that happened or not and what came out of it.


I haven't had a chance to watch Geraldo from the links posted. Was anything significant discussed?

We had company and I did not watch. Geraldo is not one of my favorites. I have been reading summaries of his show from last night posts.

Sunstar did a synopsis of the show:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789293&highlight=geraldo#post12789293

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789322&highlight=geraldo#post12789322

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789351&highlight=geraldo#post12789351

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789389&highlight=geraldo#post12789389

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789414&highlight=geraldo#post12789414

Thanks Sunstar.

[sofiesmom]

Good Morning,

Still so many questions. What happened to the trail from the cadavar dogs that led them to the lake or was it a pond? What about the footprint? Was it Haleigh's? Fingerprints on the cinder block or the door? Who did the fingerprints belong to? Were there any tire tracks? Any evidence that there was a car in the area that led to the house excluding Ron's?

I just pray they don't let this case get cold but without any significant leads, I suppose there's not much they can do. Very sad. :sad:I haven't been reading the Haleigh threads until now, so my questions have probably already been addressed. But, could the footprint have been an older one? Could Haleigh have travelled that path recently? I know that door wasen't used frequently, but maybe it had been used enough to cause the dogs to hit on that path. Just asking.

I so don't want this to be another Jessica Lunsford-like case. I remember where I was when she was found. The store had the radio on. I broke down right then and there.

I don't suspect the dad. I tend not to suspect Misty. What are most of you guys thinking?

[SavannahStar]

I haven't been reading the Haleigh threads until now, so my questions have probably already been addressed. But, could the footprint have been an older one? Could Haleigh have travelled that path recently? I know that door wasen't used frequently, but maybe it had been used enough to cause the dogs to hit on that path. Just asking.

I so don't want this to be another Jessica Lunsford-like case. I remember where I was when she was found. The store had the radio on. I broke down right then and there.

I don't suspect the dad. I tend not to suspect Misty. What are most of you guys thinking?

I don't think either of them are involved. Others do, though....as always with a case, there are a variety of opinions.

[ortiga]

After last night's revelations on Geraldo, I think that the hesitancy that we've seen in Misty, and possibly the "suspicious" aspect that some comment on.....could be due to her having to hide that information about her cousin. I don't understand why she would have told CR that. I wonder if he really got it from someone else and not Misty.

It doesn't make sense that information would be getting out now.

[ortiga]

We had company and I did not watch. Geraldo is not one of my favorites. I have been reading summaries of his show from last night posts.

Sunstar did a synopsis of the show:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789293&highlight=geraldo#post12789293

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789322&highlight=geraldo#post12789322

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789351&highlight=geraldo#post12789351

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789389&highlight=geraldo#post12789389

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789414&highlight=geraldo#post12789414

Thanks Sunstar.

It's on you tube now, too

[desmom]

It's on you tube now, too

Thanks. I am watching it now.

[n/t]

Good morning everyone. The Today show is doing a spot about Haleigh. The lead in said that the search has been called off?? I hope they mean temporarily. :huh:

Apparently they're scaling back on the searches and putting more focus on the investigation.

[n/t]

I haven't been reading the Haleigh threads until now, so my questions have probably already been addressed. But, could the footprint have been an older one? Could Haleigh have travelled that path recently? I know that door wasen't used frequently, but maybe it had been used enough to cause the dogs to hit on that path. Just asking.

I so don't want this to be another Jessica Lunsford-like case. I remember where I was when she was found. The store had the radio on. I broke down right then and there.

I don't suspect the dad. I tend not to suspect Misty. What are most of you guys thinking?


Could be an old print but nothing was said either way. That's why there are so many questions still lingering.

[SavannahStar]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh

On Sunday as investigators were deciding to close the intense ground searches for missing Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, her father worked the woods on horseback to find his little girl.

“I tried to discourage him from going out,” said Tim Miller, founder of EquuSearch, a Texas-based group specializing in horseback and all-terrain searches that was called by investigators to look for Haleigh. “He said, 'If I get on a horse I can clear my head and feel as if I’m really out there searching for my daughter.’ ”
In a break between rides into the woods, Miller said the benefit of including Ronald Cummings in the search was weighed against concern about what he might find.

But it turned out okay.

“He literally looks like a different person,” Miller said. “I think this has done him a lot of good.”

So glad to hear that Ron has been out there LITERALLY searching. At least he won't be criticizing for not doing that. Hopefully. :sad:

[n/t]

We had company and I did not watch. Geraldo is not one of my favorites. I have been reading summaries of his show from last night posts.

Sunstar did a synopsis of the show:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789293&highlight=geraldo#post12789293

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789322&highlight=geraldo#post12789322

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789351&highlight=geraldo#post12789351

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789389&highlight=geraldo#post12789389

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12789414&highlight=geraldo#post12789414

Thanks Sunstar.


Thanks for that and thanks to Sunstar! Hopefully I'll have some time to read it from work.

Have a good day everyone.

[n/t]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh



So glad to hear that Ron has been out there LITERALLY searching. At least he won't be criticizing for not doing that. Hopefully. :sad:

Tim Miller is a sweetheart. It's so heart warming to see this family appreciate his efforts in trying to locate their daughter, granddaughter.

[msgatorslayer]

Morning, all.

I'm gonna go O/T for a sec to share some news.

The Couey mobile home burnt down overnight.:thumbsup:

[desmom]

I agree with Kimberly Guilfoyle from Geraldo's show last night.

1:10 on timer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR9FkEtj4c&feature=channel_page

She said it is someone that knows the family, knows their patterns, knows Ron works nights.

jmo

ETA ~ It would take real guts to walk into a house during the middle of the night, pick up a 5 year old and walk out. It has to be someone that has been in that house and knows the family patterns.

[msgatorslayer]

Apparently they're scaling back on the searches and putting more focus on the investigation.

Time for Ron to plea for searchers to help TES then.:sad:

[desmom]

Time for Ron to plea for searchers to help TES then.:sad:

Hunt for Haleigh to enter new phase
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/1002/news?Title=Hunt_for_Haleigh_to_enter_new_phase

Search crews will be placed on standby. "We're not just going to do searches for show," Ryan said, adding that Sunday was the last day EquuSearch would be used as well.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, according to The Today Show, Misty has been reinterviewed. Clint Van Zant, criminal profiler told David Gregory that since they have searched such a wide area and found nothing, they go back to square one and concentrate on those closest to Haleigh.

I think that is where they will find the answer to this disappearance.

[msgatorslayer]

Families of missing know the fear, pain
Relatives remember the agony that Haleigh Cummings' family faces now, and how to deal with it.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-02-16/story/families_of_missing_know_the_fear_pain

Alot of stories from one coast. I'm only familiar with the name of one. I wish all cases got this type of media coverage.

[desmom]

Investigators Scale Back Search For Haleigh
http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html#-

Search continues for missing girl, volunteers pull out
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-search-021609,0,4335803.story

[ellegna]

Authorities Searching for Florida Girl Notified of Missing Sex Offender

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html

:rose: for Haleigh

[magnolia]

Wow...this thread has bounced all around regarding the facts of this "cousin", who was molested, when, what was taken, etc., etc., etc.

Not sure if any of it will pan out because if so, wouldn't the news have mentioned it this morning?

I guess I'll wait and see.

(I'm actually referring to the previous thread which continued here and was discussed here also.)

[desmom]

Wow...this thread has bounced all around regarding the facts of this "cousin", who was molested, when, what was taken, etc., etc., etc.

Not sure if any of it will pan out because if so, wouldn't the news have mentioned it this morning?

I guess I'll wait and see.

(I'm actually referring to the previous thread which continued here and was discussed here also.)

I am not sure what to make of the cousin story that came on Geraldo's show last night.

Misty said he "messed" with her when she was 13. The cousin is from TN. Why would he drive all the way to FL to snatch a child?

Just not sure, but I think it is someone closer to the area.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I am not sure what to make of the cousin story that came on Geraldo's show last night.

Misty said he "messed" with her when she was 13. The cousin is from TN. Why would he drive all the way to FL to snatch a child?

Just not sure, but I think it is someone closer to the area.

jmo



Good morning all....

I also heard that he had visited them at that house recently....I think they need to focus on this guy a little bit....It would explain the light on in the kitchen...if he let himself in, he wouldn't be affraid of Misty seeing him becaus he would just say "I let myself in"...He could have seen she was sleeping and took the opportunity to take Haleigh....would probably prop the door to throw it off.....

It's something to look into, even if he isn't the one....


Whomever it was, was familiar with this family and knew that Ron worked very late....he would fit that scenerio.....jmho

[Barbara fl.]

Morning, all.

I'm gonna go O/T for a sec to share some news.

The Couey mobile home burnt down overnight.:thumbsup:




Was the family still in it?


Too bad he wasn't....Also, was it suspicious?

[Barbara fl.]

Tim Miller is a sweetheart. It's so heart warming to see this family appreciate his efforts in trying to locate their daughter, granddaughter.



I agree.....On Geraldo last time it was mentioned that...at least this family all submitted to poly's and were cooperating with the police....as well as reporting it right away......all of which is a big help...

[msgatorslayer]

Hunt for Haleigh to enter new phase
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/1002/news?Title=Hunt_for_Haleigh_to_enter_new_phase

Search crews will be placed on standby. "We're not just going to do searches for show," Ryan said, adding that Sunday was the last day EquuSearch would be used as well.

They're basically done searching.

Where could Haleigh be? In someones home? Close by? Far away?

I'd hate to see another Duckett case where there are no answers.

[TxLady2]

Early on in this case, I recall something about Misty being molested as a child, but don't recall if they said who it was, so I am not sure of the details. But it was good that she brought that up, it gives them another lead to check out.
I was also interested when Crystal's mom was talking about Georgia and Alabama going through her mind since the first day. She says she doesn't know why, or if it means on the state line between them or what, but the two states just keep coming to mind.
I don't believe Ron or Misty are involved and I don't think Crystal is involved either. But I do think it was someone who knew them and knew their habits and routine as well as being familiar with the house.
As for Ron searching on horseback, that's good. I can't see why people keep blaming the families who don't search, though. As we see from what Tim said, they don't encourage the families to search, it's too upsetting if they do find the child dead and if they've been dead for awhile, or ravaged by animals, it isn't a pretty sight. Can you imagine stumbling across your child's body in that condition? No parent or grandparent could ever get that image out of their minds.

[msgatorslayer]

Was the family still in it?


Too bad he wasn't....Also, was it suspicious?

I started a thread in Breaking News. Didn't want to go O/T but I know many here followed the case.:wink:

[desmom]

They're basically done searching.

Where could Haleigh be? In someones home? Close by? Far away?

I'd hate to see another Duckett case where there are no answers.

Me too!

I wonder if LE talked to Jr, Haleigh's little brother, in that lst 24 hours. Four year olds do like to tell what they know. Was there any problems Monday night? Did Haleigh get in trouble? Who came by to visit?

If they did not talk to him, I am afraid by now the poor little guy would be unable to tell what he remembers UNLESS it was something major.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/sheriff_scales_back_search_for_haleigh



So glad to hear that Ron has been out there LITERALLY searching. At least he won't be criticizing for not doing that. Hopefully. :sad:


Yah, your right....but that will probably be the only thing that some wont talk about....it's terrible to have people kick you while your down....it's bad enough his daughter is missing...but, as always, some people tend to want to make matters worse.....

I pray for Haleighs safe return....I too have a gut feeling about this, and I hope I am right...but I think she is still alive somewhere.....I hope it doesn't turn into another Trenton Duckett case, where she wont be found......

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree.....On Geraldo last time it was mentioned that...at least this family all submitted to poly's and were cooperating with the police....as well as reporting it right away......all of which is a big help...

Misty did not report it right away, she delayed until Ronald pulled up. imo.

[desmom]

Has LE interviewed any of Ron and Misty's friends?

Did we ever hear what the motion was that was filed?

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964

On Tuesday, the day Haleigh's absence was reported, the docket indicates a motion for contempt of court was filed, but it does not indicate who filed the motion or against whom it was filed.

[Barbara fl.]

Misty did not report it right away, she delayed until Ronald pulled up. imo.


Your correct, she didn't....why, I can't figure....However, we have to admit, it was reported sooner then some.....

I just can not figure how she wasn't hysterical screeming up and down the street....I would have woke every neighbor up in that entire vacinity...jmoo

[Regina.Lampert]

I tend to agree with you Regina, what time were the calls made by her to Ron that weren't answered?

JMO

The times of those calls have not been released yet. I am looking forward to the sunshine law working in this case, as well as it worked in the Anthony case.

IMO, no stranger appeared out of nowhere and took Haleigh. Nope, this little one was taken by someone who knew this family. imo.

[Barbara fl.]

The times of those calls have not been released yet. I am looking forward to the sunshine law working in this case, as well as it worked in the Anthony case.

IMO, no stranger appeared out of nowhere and took Haleigh. Nope, this little one was taken by someone who knew this family. imo.



That is without any doubt.....this was NOT random....

[kitty1182]

Good morning everyone. The Today show is doing a spot about Haleigh. The lead in said that the search has been called off?? I hope they mean temporarily. :huh:

Good morning Sissy..I so hope she is found alive and well today..

[kitty1182]

The times of those calls have not been released yet. I am looking forward to the sunshine law working in this case, as well as it worked in the Anthony case.

IMO, no stranger appeared out of nowhere and took Haleigh. Nope, this little one was taken by someone who knew this family. imo.

I so agree......

[kitty1182]

The problem is that since no one has been charged LE does not have to release anything. The only reason that there is so much information in Caylee's case is that it is all discovery and is sent to Baez and than the public has the right to see it. Another reason is no one from PCSO is leaking information.

JMO

Do you know if they have been allowed back in the house yet?

[ConchGirl]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[CHICANA]

Yah, your right....but that will probably be the only thing that some wont talk about....it's terrible to have people kick you while your down....it's bad enough his daughter is missing...but, as always, some people tend to want to make matters worse.....

I pray for Haleighs safe return....I too have a gut feeling about this, and I hope I am right...but I think she is still alive somewhere.....I hope it doesn't turn into another Trenton Duckett case, where she wont be found......

Can I ask why you think she's alive ?
I'm not trying to be rude, I'd just like to know.
In this case, I've thought from the beginning she was dead, however since I thought it was at least possible that KC didn't kill Caylee until the day she was found, I'm hoping I'm wrong.

[trich]

I haven't been reading the Haleigh threads until now, so my questions have probably already been addressed. But, could the footprint have been an older one? Could Haleigh have travelled that path recently? I know that door wasen't used frequently, but maybe it had been used enough to cause the dogs to hit on that path. Just asking.

I so don't want this to be another Jessica Lunsford-like case. I remember where I was when she was found. The store had the radio on. I broke down right then and there.

I don't suspect the dad. I tend not to suspect Misty. What are most of you guys thinking?

I have a sense that Misty might be holding something back that she is afraid to tell.
Such as maybe she left the children by themselves for a short time for whatever reason and that is when Haleigh was taken.
I don't think Misty actually did anything to her but I think she is a very scared child herself.

[kitty1182]

Can't really say Kitty, I would assume no since it looks like LE is going back to square 1.

If it's thought the cousin took her, can't LE put an APB out on his car?

[Katt2]

Good morning everyone. The Today show is doing a spot about Haleigh. The lead in said that the search has been called off?? I hope they mean temporarily. :huh:

Makes me wonder if they actually have some leads that have some substance that they are concentrating on.
I can't believe that Tim is giving up so quickly. He barely searched for this little one.

[kitty1182]

Makes me wonder if they actually have some leads that have some substance that they are concentrating on.
I can't believe that Tim is giving up so quickly. He barely searched for this little one.

Mornin Glory.....:wub:

[Katt2]

Mornin Glory.....:wub:

Morning sweetheart. Does it bother you at all that Ronald told Misti to call 911 instead of him doing it? It was his daughter!

[BorderCollieMom]

Good Morning,

Still so many questions. What happened to the trail from the cadavar dogs that led them to the lake or was it a pond? What about the footprint? Was it Haleigh's? Fingerprints on the cinder block or the door? Who did the fingerprints belong to? Were there any tire tracks? Any evidence that there was a car in the area that led to the house excluding Ron's?

I just pray they don't let this case get cold but without any significant leads, I suppose there's not much they can do. Very sad. :sad:


good morning n/t and all.

n/t...did you see the police report yet ? It mentions the canines results, which Im still confused & curious about. It also mentions the footprint but that (for somereason ) turns out to be nothing. As for your other great questions, I dunno. :(

guh...i need coffee, I cant find the link to the police report. Maybe its in the "links" thread.

[Regina.Lampert]

The problem is that since no one has been charged LE does not have to release anything. The only reason that there is so much information in Caylee's case is that it is all discovery and is sent to Baez and than the public has the right to see it. Another reason is no one from PCSO is leaking information.

JMO

You're right!

[nc1948]

I am very fearful for a good outcome finding this dear little girl alive. It has been too many days with no substantial clues as to what may have happened to her. I just hope that the family can find some closure even if it means finding her little body.

I know what you mean.
we have a local child "ashe degree" that has been missing for 9 years today. She was 9 years old and disappeared between 2 am and 4 am. There still is no closure on this. I cannot imagine the not knowing.

[Katt2]

I'm not Kitty but I was curious about that to. :confused:

I just find it odd that he didn't make the call but he is in the background cursing and telling her what to say.
She seemed so tentative and unsure of herself and surely he knows she seems to lack 'people skills'. It is probably her age and being thrust into a very adult situation but she was of little help to the 911 operator.

[commonguymd]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Can't seem to open it.

[Regina.Lampert]

I just find it odd that he didn't make the call but he is in the background cursing and telling her what to say.
She seemed so tentative and unsure of herself and surely he knows she seems to lack 'people skills'. It is probably her age and being thrust into a very adult situation but she was of little help to the 911 operator.

I can understand him telling her to call while he searched the trailer, but then he should have gotten on that phone and answered all the questions, instead of all the drama.

Sounds to me like before this, Ronald and the po po didn't have the best of relationships.

[Politigal]

I have a question...Misty had said her brother had been over earlier that evening....was it her brother Hank Thomas JR or ?

[SavannahStar]

Morning sweetheart. Does it bother you at all that Ronald told Misti to call 911 instead of him doing it? It was his daughter!

You're not asking me but I'll give my opinion. I don't think much of it....could be he wanted to check things out in the house as she was calling.

[commonguymd]

I finally got it to open but had to open it in explorer. Firefox didn't like the pdf for some reason.

Thanks Conch.

[destiny1]

Good morning everyone. The Today show is doing a spot about Haleigh. The lead in said that the search has been called off?? I hope they mean temporarily. :huh:
Good Morning Reggie.

I finally got a little time off so hopefully I can catch up on things.

I saw that, and it makes me very sad. I don't believe that the search was called off so soon for no reason. They know something, or have some pretty solid leads in their search for the truth in this matter.


Why is George Anthony involved in this case? It's just my opinion, but all that can come of any Anthony involvement or association with these people is bad press and suspicion of the family of this little girl.

[Katt2]

You're not asking me but I'll give my opinion. I don't think much of it....could be he wanted to check things out in the house as she was calling.


LOL You are the second one to give that opinion and it does make sense but as Scamp said, why didn't he get on the phone when Misti was having trouble communicating with the operator? Still bothers me that he didn't grab the reins when he had the opportunity but instead stood there hurling curse words and threats.

[msgatorslayer]

I can understand him telling her to call while he searched the trailer, but then he should have gotten on that phone and answered all the questions, instead of all the drama.

Sounds to me like before this, Ronald and the po po didn't have the best of relationships.

That, and, have you ever known a person who just doesn't like to make calls on anything important?

[GentleBreeze]

You're not asking me but I'll give my opinion. I don't think much of it....could be he wanted to check things out in the house as she was calling.

I don't either. Didn't Mark Lunsford tell his mom to call 911 while he searched for Jessica. I believe Mark's dad was also searching.

imo

[ConchGirl]

I finally got it to open but had to open it in explorer. Firefox didn't like the pdf for some reason.

Thanks Conch.

I don't know why it won't open in Firefox either. But it is parental and custody papers which leads me to believe that they were not married. jmo

[Justins Mom]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

According to the affidavit, Haleigh was diagnosed with Turner Syndrome - Here is some information about this infliction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

[SavannahStar]

LOL You are the second one to give that opinion and it does make sense but as Scamp said, why didn't he get on the phone when Misti was having trouble communicating with the operator? Still bothers me that he didn't grab the reins when he had the opportunity but instead stood there hurling curse words and threats.

I posted a day or two ago....I think he was out of his mind with rage and grief. Not thinking straight at all.

[Destini]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

I know a lot of trash & dirty laundry comes out during divorces, but it really concerns me about the allegations of him being a known drug dealer, to include cocaine & pills, plus the allegations of people including his family being afraid of him.

Maybe he ripped off the wrong person or bullied someone who decided to get retribution. Seriously doubt he would reveal to LE if he's buying & selling drugs. What concerns me is there may be friends or family who know something important but are afraid to talk for their own safety or safety of their family.

Do they have an anonymous tipline in this community?

[commonguymd]

I don't know why it won't open in Firefox either. But it is parental and custody papers which leads me to believe that they were not married. jmo

According to those records, what I found interesting, is that his ex-wife claims she found her floating face down in the canal behind the house and she revived her because he let her wander away.

[msgatorslayer]

I don't either. Didn't Mark Lunsford tell his mom to call 911 while he searched for Jessica. I believe Mark's dad was also searching.

imo

Yes, and people also questioned why they weren't running down the street, yelling, banging on everyones doors looking for her.

IIRC, they casually knocked on one neighbors door.

IIRC, Ruth also said something in her 911 call that people were questioning.

[Katt2]

I posted a day or two ago....I think he was out of his mind with rage and grief. Not thinking straight at all.

Guess I am reading something into nothing.

[Justins Mom]

Good Morning Reggie.

I finally got a little time off so hopefully I can catch up on things.

I saw that, and it makes me very sad. I don't believe that the search was called off so soon for no reason. They know something, or have some pretty solid leads in their search for the truth in this matter.


Why is George Anthony involved in this case? It's just my opinion, but all that can come of any Anthony involvement or association with these people is bad press and suspicion of the family of this little girl.

Hi!!

GA could equal bad press but it could also equal very much needed press to get the word out.


Press also brought Tim Miller's Equusearch here and this is never a bad thing. These people are excellent (JMO). It does bring in the usual 5 minutes of fame - in my opinion people - Guess we will see our good friend Mr Padilla too., Those type of people who will forever be on the circuit as experts to give their opinions on NG/GVS/Geraldo, et al when real information can not be given out

I would much rather see George than CIndy - IMHO

Please do not take on Baez as an attorney

[ellegna]

Morning sweetheart. Does it bother you at all that Ronald told Misti to call 911 instead of him doing it? It was his daughter!

Not Kitty but would like to offer a suggestion

I thought about Ron not calling and don't have a problem with that.
Ron had just come home from work and did not have any details. Ron could not offer 911 what time she was discovered missing, what she was wearing, what they were doing previously, etc. Rather than play middleman with 911, Ron instructed Misty to call.

[PuffDragon]

Your correct, she didn't....why, I can't figure....However, we have to admit, it was reported sooner then some.....

I just can not figure how she wasn't hysterical screeming up and down the street....I would have woke every neighbor up in that entire vacinity...jmoo

*Bolding mine

Mornin' all :seeya:

I have to say this about Misty waiting to call 911.
Her not wanting to make that call bothers me less than anything else. Some people, when there's a problem, don't want to believe that it's an emergency that needs 911. I say this from experience (my own). No matter how many times I have had to call for an ambulance (and there have been enough that you would think I would have gotten better at it) I have never done it right on the spot, no matter how much my brain knows I need to. I always have to think about it, run through the reasons, debate with myself whether I'm misinterpreting the indications, thinking about well, what if I'm wrong and this situation isn't really any emergency........ I can't help it, it's just me. Sometimes I even call somebody else and say "do you think I should...?" Of course whoever I called always says, if you think you should do it, then do it. So I do and of course it always turns out to be the right thing to have done. But that never makes it any easier to do the next time.

Now understand, I'm good in an emergency, I don't get rattled, I identify the problem and go right into action, the sight of blood or someone choking doesn't faze me, and I know what I have to do. Still, I always hesitate before calling. I think it's because I just don't want to admit that this is a problem big enough to call 911. In the back of my mind is that little guy whispering, "That's not a really bad cut, it will respond to a pressure bandage," as the spurt of arterial blood splashes on the wall. I need somebody else to say, yes, this is as bad as you think it is, make that call!

So I can understand Misty not immediately calling, especially if she usually depends on somebody else to make decisions for her.

[msgatorslayer]

Guess I am reading something into nothing.

We just don't know, Katt.

On the flip side, I remember just about everyone thinking it was wrong, odd, strange, etc, for Melinda Duckett to have her male friend call LE. A guy who, didn't know anything about Trenton and had to ask her the answers to the 911 op's questions. After her suicide, she was called the prime suspect in her Son's disappearance.

[Justins Mom]

Actually, this situation calls to my Mommy-meter..

Misty seemed to call him first - perhaps she was panacking and did not know what to do - 17 years old - watching 2 children - we have discussed this many times, I wonder about her maturity and experience

Did she call he parents? Do they live close - did they rush over
What is their relationship with Ron Cummings if any?

This Ron guy sounds mighty controlling thus far. I still think she is scared of him

Im also leaning with posters noting this was the work of someone who knew them, him ( ron) the house) the situation.

Not a random act

Praying for Haleigh's safe return....


J-Mom

[BorderCollieMom]

Anyone got any "working" links on a Jeremy Miller ?

tia

[kitty1182]

Anyone got any "working" links on a Jeremy Miller ?

tia

Who is that?

[nc1948]

That, and, have you ever known a person who just doesn't like to make calls on anything important?

Flashback---My husband who is no longer with us, would not talk on phone but would continually tell me what to say. I have actually hung up the phone and told him that I could not hear him and person on phone. He also would not answer phone but would give me the third degree about what was said after I got off. I used to get so mad at him, but now realize that it is just one more thing I miss.

[Daffodil]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf



Wow. I would hope that the Department of Children Services have investigated this. It sounds like the info on the affadavit by the maternal grandfather would be good enough reason for these children to be in foster care. I hope it is not another case of flying under the radar.

[msgatorslayer]

Flashback---My husband who is no longer with us, would not talk on phone but would continually tell me what to say. I have actually hung up the phone and told him that I could not hear him and person on phone. He also would not answer phone but would give me the third degree about what was said after I got off. I used to get so mad at him, but now realize that it is just one more thing I miss.

A friend of mine is like that. She'd used to have her teenaged Daughter make calls for her. If I was there, she'd try getting me to call, lol. If the call was to ANYONE but a friend or family member, she didn't want to make it. It was just the way she was.

[CANDYKISSES]

You're not asking me but I'll give my opinion. I don't think much of it....could be he wanted to check things out in the house as she was calling.

My sentiments too. I believe he was probably ripping the place apart looking under beds and anywhere else a child could hide or get stuck IMO.

[Destini]

Anyone got any "working" links on a Jeremy Miller ?

tia

This is the only thing I have found so far, haven't paid to get into the article though.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=%22misty+croslin%22&ie=UTF-8

[Katt2]

Anyone got any "working" links on a Jeremy Miller ?

tia

The only thing I could find googling was this name associated with a concrete construction co located in Lake Butler. It isn't real far from Palatka.

[PuffDragon]

That, and, have you ever known a person who just doesn't like to make calls on anything important?

I'm one of those, and not just on anything important, I don't like to make calls at all, or answer them either.

[kOOkie1]

Actually, this situation calls to my Mommy-meter..

Misty seemed to call him first - perhaps she was panacking and did not know what to do - 17 years old - watching 2 children - we have discussed this many times, I wonder about her maturity and experience

Did she call he parents? Do they live close - did they rush over
What is their relationship with Ron Cummings if any?

This Ron guy sounds mighty controlling thus far. I still think she is scared of him

Im also leaning with posters noting this was the work of someone who knew them, him ( ron) the house) the situation.

Not a random act

Praying for Haleigh's safe return....


J-Mom


I agree J-Mom..
I think Misty not calling 911 right away can be just based on that fact she is 17. We can pretty much all agree that some 17 yr olds are more mature than others are. I also agree that it makes more sense that it was someone that knew the Family or knew the routine or was there recently.
I dont know what to think of GA being all up in this..but , I guess every person helping makes a difference. I get irratated because the Anthony's did not have a missing child/grandchild..their Daughter knew where her body was.
**prayers for Haleigh**



(jmo)

[psbperu]

Well, according to The Today Show, Misty has been reinterviewed. Clint Van Zant, criminal profiler told David Gregory that since they have searched such a wide area and found nothing, they go back to square one and concentrate on those closest to Haleigh.

I think that is where they will find the answer to this disappearance.



If they are going to re-interview those closest to Haleigh...I agree that that the answer to this disappearance may well be found.

I hope they re-interview all those in the area of the mobile home too.

[CANDYKISSES]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

I don't believe these are DIVORCE PAPERS as I don't believe they were ever married IIRC.

This appears to be establishing paternity and custody rights and filed by Ron. Also noteworthy is that apparently Ron's mom works for LE too. I thought I saw a jacket she was wearing with the sheriff's star emblem.

That's certainly interesting too.

[BorderCollieMom]

Who is that?


Good morning Kitty.

He's the sicko that apparently was convicted of abusing Misty (in 2005?) ...but he's still in jail...i just noticed that...so he really cant be a part of this case.


And since I cant post the link , I'll have to say JMO. (sheesh, I hate that).

[Kelly3820]

Good morning Kitty.

He's the sicko that apparently was convicted of abusing Misty (in 2005?) ...but he's still in jail...i just noticed that...so he really cant be a part of this case.


And since I cant post the link , I'll have to say JMO. (sheesh, I hate that).

What have I missed. Didn't Misty say that he went to see her and stole Ron's gun????

[SavannahStar]

Good morning Kitty.

He's the sicko that apparently was convicted of abusing Misty (in 2005?) ...but he's still in jail...i just noticed that...so he really cant be a part of this case.


And since I cant post the link , I'll have to say JMO. (sheesh, I hate that).


I hadn't heard any of that.......wow...he was CONVICTED of abusing Misty? All I heard was that there was some guy who Misty said abused her......didn't have a name or anything. Is it on record that he is convicted of this?

[i_pickle]

Good morning everyone. I have a question. Does anyone know how much time passed between when Misti realized the child was missing and Ron got home? I was never clear on that. TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Wow. I would hope that the Department of Children Services have investigated this. It sounds like the info on the affadavit by the maternal grandfather would be good enough reason for these children to be in foster care. I hope it is not another case of flying under the radar.


Uhm, I think that's a possibility. These children were and are victims of a certain code of living that goes under the radar all the time because others are afraid to speak out or family members work in LE IMOOOC.

I hope this will bring it all back to the forefront and that the system suggests more than just parenting classes for ALL OF THEM IMO. :sad:

[Snewpy]

I just find it odd that he didn't make the call but he is in the background cursing and telling her what to say.
She seemed so tentative and unsure of herself and surely he knows she seems to lack 'people skills'. It is probably her age and being thrust into a very adult situation but she was of little help to the 911 operator.

Good morning all! ITA - but I almost think that he "blames" her for Haleigh being gone in that moment, the way he talks to her, the horrible way he refers to her in the police report. So to my mind it was almost like "YOU lost her - YOU call". JMO of course

Prayers for Haleigh and all the lost little ones.

[CANDYKISSES]

What have I missed. Didn't Misty say that he went to see her and stole Ron's gun????


That's what I read here earlier and was hoping to find out if there was a link to it. IS this in the Geraldo Show from last night perhaps?

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. Just kept checking in during the weekend to see if any news on Haleigh.

I was so praying that they would find her and bring her home before now.

I've got lots of reading to do to bring myself up to date on this case.

:sad:

[Neffy]

I don't believe these are DIVORCE PAPERS as I don't believe they were ever married IIRC.

This appears to be establishing paternity and custody rights and filed by Ron. Also noteworthy is that apparently Ron's mom works for LE too. I thought I saw a jacket she was wearing with the sheriff's star emblem.

That's certainly interesting too.

The above doc is a recommendation in a messy custody battle to who gets custody. There should be more before and after. This is jumping in near the end of this custody fight.

[museumgirl]

I was at a funeral of a cousin (25) this weekend and during the service I kept hoping that his spirit would help Haleigh. Since I have no belief what-so-ever that she is still alive. I thought he could go to her so that she was no longer alone....

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning all! ITA - but I almost think that he "blames" her for Haleigh being gone in that moment, the way he talks to her, the horrible way he refers to her in the police report. So to my mind it was almost like "YOU lost her - YOU call". JMO of course

Prayers for Haleigh and all the lost little ones.

Don't bet the farm on that Snewpy. Something tells me that's a way of life or the repitition of name calling during the interview wouldn't have happened. I think that could have something to do with why Crystal's mother apologized about Misty too. She probably knows the kind of control Ron is capable of and what insults to young women he puts out from past experience. JMOOC.

While I believe he loves his children, I've seen some very similar situations and much can be about not paying support and taking control IMO. I hate to say that, but I think this was a recipe for disaster and unfortunately it goes on every day in America. :crying:

[BorderCollieMom]

I hadn't heard any of that.......wow...he was CONVICTED of abusing Misty? All I heard was that there was some guy who Misty said abused her......didn't have a name or anything. Is it on record that he is convicted of this?

Hi there SS. I ran across all of this on the web. Lets just say that theres some great sleuthers of the web. <hint hint>.

[CANDYKISSES]

The above doc is a recommendation in a messy custody battle to who gets custody. There should be more before and after. This is jumping in near the end of this custody fight.

The OP thought it was a DIVORCE and that's what I was correcting.

Yes, there is another TRANSCRIPT of the following hearing in January 2006 IIRC where Crystal addresses her appointment cancellations for Haleigh's doctor appointments, the judge allows them both to speak out and address some of the allegations past, and both make allegations about DRUG USE and ABUSE. She was appearing without an attorney at that time.

It's in a pdf file here, perhaps Saturday.

[kitty1182]

Good morning Kitty.

He's the sicko that apparently was convicted of abusing Misty (in 2005?) ...but he's still in jail...i just noticed that...so he really cant be a part of this case.


And since I cant post the link , I'll have to say JMO. (sheesh, I hate that).

Thanks BCM......:smile:

[openminded]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Thanks for the link. That was interesting.

I think it was a custody issue and they weren't married. One document refers to the fact that an out-of-wedlock child normally goes to the mother. The other states the couple "were together" for about 5 years with no mention of marriage.

Having listened to the 911 tape I can certainly believe the threat of violence that's referred to in the court documents. I think the father has serious anger-management issues.

[Kelly3820]

That's what I read here earlier and was hoping to find out if there was a link to it. IS this in the Geraldo Show from last night perhaps?




yes is it was and Craig Riveria reported that Misty was molested by a cousin when she was 13 and that he had come from Tenn a little while ago to the house and stole a gun from Ron. LE had asked her if she knew of anyone who could have done this.

[SavannahStar]

Hi there SS. I ran across all of this on the web. Lets just say that theres some great sleuthers of the web. <hint hint>.


Okay, gottcha. I understand. <wink wink>

[BorderCollieMom]

I cant figure that out. This case is mind boggling !

[i_pickle]

As far as "sickos" abusing Misty? Ron is in the same boat there with all of them. As far as Misty's cousin being a sex offender? Ronnie boy is right in the same boat there with the rest of them.

If Misty's parent's pressed charges against Ron he would go to jail and be a convicted sex offender when he came out just like the rest of them.

There are PAHHHLENTY of sickos out there. Just because this man had his child abducted does NOT excuse the fact that he was bedding a 17 year old CHILD.

I'm sick of this whole fiasco.


Like so many of you, I remember all too clearly when Jessica Lunsford went missing and the absolute thrashing that family went through publicly and on here with people accusing them of the crime and they were completely innocent.

Here are the words Jessica's father spoke to Coey:

"I hope you hear her cries as you try to sleep at night," said Mark Lunsford, the father of Jessica Lunsford. "I hope you saw the tears run down her face as she begged to go home..."I hope you spend the rest of your life in fear of death. You will never hurt another child again."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But sadly, the earth is a harbor that acts as an incubator for filth disguised as human beings. These "things" attack the very innocence we hold sacred in the very spot we think we should be the safest, A small child tucked in bed.

Until we know anymore information it won't matter if Misty spent all her money playing bingo and not buying Cheerios, it won't matter if the biological mother smoked dope or hung out in the gutter none of it will matter until we know more. Because until then, ANYONE could have this child.

Yes, my anger is palpable. I'm just so sick and tired of the trash in this world causing problems like this.:flamemad:I hear ya and share your frustration. After reading some of the links on this thread I'm convinced that neither of the children should've been been left in the care of RC.

What a tragedy this is.

[kitty1182]

Yes, full of allegations that are frightening,IMO.

It sure is.......

[GentleBreeze]

Wow. I would hope that the Department of Children Services have investigated this. It sounds like the info on the affadavit by the maternal grandfather would be good enough reason for these children to be in foster care. I hope it is not another case of flying under the radar.

I am not sure how much weight the Court puts into family members statements in custody issues. I think the Court knows that both sides have their own agendas. I would think they would want outside sources to the information to confirm any statements made by either family.

imoo

[Snewpy]

Don't bet the farm on that Snewpy. Something tells me that's a way of life or the repitition of name calling during the interview wouldn't have happened. I think that could have something to do with why Crystal's mother apologized about Misty too. She probably knows the kind of control Ron is capable of and what insults to young women he puts out from past experience. JMOOC.

While I believe he loves his children, I've seen some very similar situations and much can be about not paying support and taking control IMO. I hate to say that, but I think this was a recipe for disaster and unfortunately it goes on every day in America. :crying:

oh I totally agree, Candy!! I just got the vibe from all that rage that he is also the kind of person who blames everyone else for something he cannot control. Like this situation. JMO of course..

[Marcia3]

That, and, have you ever known a person who just doesn't like to make calls on anything important?

Or maybe he has seen what happens with the 911 calls in cases of abduction, murder, etc. The calls are played, re-played, dissected, analyzed, scrutinized, and second-guessed by media types, neighbors, co-workers, and those of us who follow cases online. It could just be that he wanted to limit his exposure.

Or maybe he thought getting on the phone and being hysterical wasn't going to help the siutation.

[openminded]

LOL You are the second one to give that opinion and it does make sense but as Scamp said, why didn't he get on the phone when Misti was having trouble communicating with the operator? Still bothers me that he didn't grab the reins when he had the opportunity but instead stood there hurling curse words and threats.

I think he had her call because she knew what happened (more or less).

However, I agree he should have taken over when it became obvious that she couldn't handle it.

[kitty1182]

I think he had her call because she knew what happened (more or less).

However, I agree he should have taken over when it became obvious that she couldn't handle it.

I agree..When the questions about her started, he should have gotten the phone then..

[SavannahStar]

I am not sure how much weight the Court puts into family members statements in custody issues. I think the Court knows that both sides have their own agendas. I would think they would want outside sources to the information to confirm any statements made by either family.

imoo

I totally agree, GB. Good to see ya, BTW.

[Kelly3820]

When you look back on these tragic cases alot of the women made those 911 calls.

[Neffy]

I am not sure how much weight the Court puts into family members statements in custody issues. I think the Court knows that both sides have their own agendas. I would think they would want outside sources to the information to confirm any statements made by either family.

imoo

In this mess probably almost none. Other then this statement of being the maternal grandfather does he have a record? What's his background.

These cases usually have a file cabinet full of documents surrounding this and that's no exaggeration. This is why I don't trust anything on the net pertaining to divorce or custody issues as volumes are pages are normally connected to it.

[kitty1182]

When you look back on these tragic cases alot of the women made those 911 calls.

Minus Casey..:biggrin:

[Daffodil]

I am not sure how much weight the Court puts into family members statements in custody issues. I think the Court knows that both sides have their own agendas. I would think they would want outside sources to the information to confirm any statements made by either family.

imoo

That's what I was afraid of. But I would hope that it was at least investigated by DCF. The well being of the children get lost in this.

[ConchGirl]

I don't believe these are DIVORCE PAPERS as I don't believe they were ever married IIRC.

This appears to be establishing paternity and custody rights and filed by Ron. Also noteworthy is that apparently Ron's mom works for LE too. I thought I saw a jacket she was wearing with the sheriff's star emblem.

That's certainly interesting too.

Check out post 10 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668

[i_pickle]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493629,00.htmlThat doesn't make sense to me. Why "scale back" when you have no new leads? Why not intensify the search until you find new leads?

(Rhetorical questions)

[kitty1182]

That doesn't make sense to me. Why "scale back" when you have no new leads? Why not intensify the search until you find new leads?

(Rhetorical questions)

Don't know unless LE knows a lot more and is just waiting for someone to make a move...

[Marcia3]

It may be unconnected to this case, but:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html

[kitty1182]

It may be unconnected to this case, but:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html


I think I read LE isn't too concerned about him....

[i_pickle]

Don't know unless LE knows a lot more and is just waiting for someone to make a move...That's what I'm thinking. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[tarabull1]

IMO their current priority is to locate the missing sex offender.

SNIPPED....Chad Eugene Reynolds, 25, was last seen Feb. 1 leaving his mother's home in Ochlawaha, Fla. — about two hours from Haleigh's home — police said. He was reported missing on Feb. 4.

Reynolds reportedly borrowed a car from a friend and then later called to say the vehicle had broken down near the Marion/Lake County Lines, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office. The car was located in an undisclosed location south of Marion County, but Reynolds was nowhere to be found.

Reynolds was sentenced in Putnum County — the same county where Haleigh was reported missing Feb. 10 — to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The incident happened in September of 2002.

[CANDYKISSES]

I am not sure how much weight the Court puts into family members statements in custody issues. I think the Court knows that both sides have their own agendas. I would think they would want outside sources to the information to confirm any statements made by either family.

imoo

In the transcript of the hearing the judge refers to reading over the domestic paperwork, but says he will do so again. So he was aware of some of the allegations IMO. He still granted custody to Ron with visitation for Crystal due to several factors, including job consistency and the missed doctor appointments that Crystal admitted to when Ron presented the paperwork.

They both had hearsay allegations and it was noted in the hearing, but in the end the judge thanked them for their candor efforts getting to the truth...as they knew it.

I don't see that either parent sounded fit on their own myself, but that's JMO.

[i_pickle]

I agree that neither parent sounds fit...esp Ron. Anger issues and small children don't go well together.

At least the mother seemed to try to get her life in order...probably getting custody of her children was the motivating factor...don't know, just speculating...

[JD1974]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. Divorce papers.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


I thought Crystal said Ron mailed the divorce papers to the wrong house? That pdf says she was handed the letter and also responded by writing....so why would you tell someone that is why you don't have your kids?

[crymeariver2006]

In the transcript of the hearing the judge refers to reading over the domestic paperwork, but says he will do so again. So he was aware of some of the allegations IMO. He still granted custody to Ron with visitation for Crystal due to several factors, including job consistency and the missed doctor appointments that Crystal admitted to when Ron presented the paperwork.

They both had hearsay allegations and it was noted in the hearing, but in the end the judge thanked them for their candor efforts getting to the truth...as they knew it.

I don't see that either parent sounded fit on their own myself, but that's JMO.

ITA. I also believe that the fact that Ron's mother worked for the Sheriff's Department and Ron and the children would be living with her and she and the sister would provide child care until the children went to daycare weighed heavily in the decision.

BTW, when were they ever enrolled in daycare or preschool? According to the documents, Ron was to enroll them.

[ConchGirl]

I thought Crystal said Ron mailed the divorce papers to the wrong house? That pdf says she was handed the letter and also responded by writing....so why would you tell someone that is why you don't have your kids?

I posted too quickly. They are not divorce papers, but custody papers.

[crymeariver2006]

I thought Crystal said Ron mailed the divorce papers to the wrong house? That pdf says she was handed the letter and also responded by writing....so why would you tell someone that is why you don't have your kids?

There's a post a few posts back with a link to the documents broken down pretty good. It does state that the documents were returned.

Maybe returned by post office and then hand delivered?

[desmom]

I agree that neither parent sounds fit...esp Ron. Anger issues and small children don't go well together.

At least the mother seemed to try to get her life in order...probably getting custody of her children was the motivating factor...don't know, just speculating...

Ron's anger issues concerns me very much. jmo

[Daffodil]

ITA. I also believe that the fact that Ron's mother worked for the Sheriff's Department and Ron and the children would be living with her and she and the sister would provide child care until the children went to daycare weighed heavily in the decision.

BTW, when were they ever enrolled in daycare or preschool? According to the documents, Ron was to enroll them.

I really hope they didn't make their decision on the fact that Ron's mother works for the Sheriff's Department. He could have moved out the day after the decision.

[trich]

What have I missed. Didn't Misty say that he went to see her and stole Ron's gun????

If I remember correctly...the guy who visited and stole the gun was suppose to be her cousin from Tn who happens also to be a sex offender along with other sickos that walk this planet.
But not the one who abused her.

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA. I also believe that the fact that Ron's mother worked for the Sheriff's Department and Ron and the children would be living with her and she and the sister would provide child care until the children went to daycare weighed heavily in the decision.

BTW, when were they ever enrolled in daycare or preschool? According to the documents, Ron was to enroll them.

I have yet to see anything indicating that was done. JMO tho.

[CelticDawn]

I agree that neither parent sounds fit...esp Ron. Anger issues and small children don't go well together.

At least the mother seemed to try to get her life in order...probably getting custody of her children was the motivating factor...don't know, just speculating...



all of yall seem to forget that these people live in a totally different world than we do....that they have different standards and values...they are "coupled" at their ages in general because they never even consider higher education....or anything vaguely similar to the dreams that we have for our families and children......They are JUST DIFFERENT.

yes....violence and anger are jsut that....but they have a TOTALLY different perspective than do we.

[JD1974]

I posted too quickly. They are not divorce papers, but custody papers.


Yeah I got that, but didn't she state she lost custody because she never recieved the papers about the custody?

[Adalena935]

A lot of poor people grow up without benefit of parents who give a hoot and the problem becomes compounded over the generations.

[i_pickle]

all of yall seem to forget that these people live in a totally different world than we do....that they have different standards and values...they are "coupled" at their ages in general because they never even consider higher education....or anything vaguely similar to the dreams that we have for our families and children......They are JUST DIFFERENT.

yes....violence and anger are jsut that....but they have a TOTALLY different perspective than do we.Well, I never lived in a trailer in Florida but I haven't led a sheltered life either. Not by a long shot.

People are people, and we share more similarities than differences, IMO. I may not live their lifestyle but I don't consider myself so different that I can't understand them or speculate about what may have happened.

[101Spots]

Morning sweetheart. Does it bother you at all that Ronald told Misti to call 911 instead of him doing it? It was his daughter!

It's a guy thing. I once had a boss hand me the phone, tell me the number to dial, and then take the phone back while it rang. DH just had a truck for sale, and you would not believe the wives that called and talked to their SOs in the background. Men cannot dial phones.

Plus a control thing.

[Adalena935]

Ron's anger issues concerns me very much. jmo

Me too. He seems very immature.

[i_pickle]

Me too. He seems very immature....and scary

[SavannahStar]

Yeah I got that, but didn't she state she lost custody because she never recieved the papers about the custody?


Actually she didn't. I listened to that interview, and IIRC, she did state that she never received certain paperwork, but then went on to say (paraphrased), "but then when we DID go on to the custody hearing....the judge just awarded him custody and I felt he was on his side." (something like that). So some papers she claims she didn't received. But she was there at the hearing.

[Mimi428]

As for Ron searching on horseback, that's good. I can't see why people keep blaming the families who don't search, though. As we see from what Tim said, they don't encourage the families to search, it's too upsetting if they do find the child dead and if they've been dead for awhile, or ravaged by animals, it isn't a pretty sight. Can you imagine stumbling across your child's body in that condition? No parent or grandparent could ever get that image out of their minds.

<snipped>

It's been almost 16 years since Jennifer Ertman & Elizabeth Pena were murdered in TC Jester Park in Houston & I can remember all too clearly seeing & hearing Randy Ertman on TV when he arrived at the park after finding out the bodies had been found. Screaming, screaming, screaming. I WISH I could forget that & believe me, I have tried. Tim knows very well what a very BAD idea it is to have the family take part in searches.

Not trying to go O/T - but reading just this little excerpt will give some glimpse of how dangerous it is to take that risk. I appreciate every second Tim dedicates to TES and I am not criticizing him for allowing Ron to go, but it does have the potential to make a horrible situation unendurable.

http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html

Jennifer Ertman's dad, Randy Ertman, was about to give an interview regarding the missing girls to a local television reporter when the call came over a cameraman's police scanner that two bodies had been found. Randy commandeered the news van and went to the scene that was now bustling with police activity. Randy Ertman appeared on the local news that evening, screaming at the police officers who were struggling to hold him back, "Does she have blond hair? Does she have blond hair?!!?"

JMO

[ttcRider]

Well, I never lived in a trailer in Florida but I haven't led a sheltered life either. Not by a long shot.

People are people, and we share more similarities than differences, IMO. I may not live their lifestyle but I don't consider myself so different that I can't understand them or speculate about what may have happened.

I agree, good post. :thumbup:

[Adalena935]

IMO their current priority is to locate the missing sex offender.

I think so too. I read that link that you posted in the links thread.

ETA: snipped for space

[museumgirl]

On top of the trauma of finding the bodies... there is that instinct as a parent to run to your child and hold them... and in that the scene can be contaminated.... evidence lost ~ I wouldn't wish that on anyone... finding a body is bad enough to find your own child..... you would NEVER forget that .....

[Moondancer]

I am not sure what to make of the cousin story that came on Geraldo's show last night.

Misty said he "messed" with her when she was 13. The cousin is from TN. Why would he drive all the way to FL to snatch a child?

Just not sure, but I think it is someone closer to the area.

jmo

I have suspected that Misty was a victim of sexual abuse. Why else would she volunteer for her current situation?

Does anyone have a link to the Geraldo show where this is discussed?
Thanks.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Now, you KNOW with this post you just rattled a big bear's den right??

WOW suddenly I feel like shouting...

VIOLENCE AND ANGER have NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVING ON A LOW INCOME OR IN A TRAILER OR LIVING DOWN SOUTH.

Violence and anger, murder and theft, deception, molestation ALL of these things cross every boundry, every racial line, every economic line.

Just because someone lives in a trailer DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T DREAM ABOUT HAVING A BETTER LIFE.

HOLY CRAP don't even get me started.

I don't live in a trailer but I do know plenty of hard working, decent people who do and they all want a good life and good things for their kids.

HOLY CRAP go read up and do some research on domestic violence before you come in here and post this kind of nonsense.

Also? It's been my real life experience that people with southern accent's don't usually realize that they are saying "Y'all" much the less TYPE IT THAT WAY.

Whew.:cursing:


Yowza..I hope you feel better getting that off your chest....I KNOW i do!!!
Thankyou:wub:

LMS

[JD1974]

Actually she didn't. I listened to that interview, and IIRC, she did state that she never received certain paperwork, but then went on to say (paraphrased), "but then when we DID go on to the custody hearing....the judge just awarded him custody and I felt he was on his side." (something like that). So some papers she claims she didn't received. But she was there at the hearing.


Ahh ok. Thanks a lot! That was really confusing and I couldn't understand why someone would say that when there is absolute proof of the opposite.

[Stella Rose]

It's a guy thing. I once had a boss hand me the phone, tell me the number to dial, and then take the phone back while it rang. DH just had a truck for sale, and you would not believe the wives that called and talked to their SOs in the background. Men cannot dial phones.

Plus a control thing.

Okay, that is so funny. My BF did the same thing. He would have me dial, then he would take the phone (he's 28 years old). God forbid he would get voice mail. He'd hang up. Hates to leave messages. Boys are strange.

[Adalena935]

We just don't know, Katt.

On the flip side, I remember just about everyone thinking it was wrong, odd, strange, etc, for Melinda Duckett to have her male friend call LE. A guy who, didn't know anything about Trenton and had to ask her the answers to the 911 op's questions. After her suicide, she was called the prime suspect in her Son's disappearance.

That's true. We can't know. There's so many convicted murderers who feigned concern and ended up being guilty of the crimes. Even Pat Brown (FBI) said a large precentage of children are harmed by their parents so that's why they investigate there first.

[SavannahStar]

Why does the "Report and Recommendation of the General Magistrate" say "Respondent did not appear at the hearing"?


I'm only repeating what she herself said. Maybe there's a link for that interview? IIRC, it was the NG show.

Maybe there was more than one hearing?

I honestly don't know. Just reporting what SHE said.

[JD1974]

Why does the "Report and Recommendation of the General Magistrate" say "Respondent did not appear at the hearing"?

She didn't show up at the final hearing. I am thinking there was more than one. I thought she had said she didn't show because she didn't get the paperwork, which would of been a flat out lie because she responded to the paperwork. The judge would tell you when the next court date is, so she just flat out didn't show.

[Moondancer]

Why does Crystal not have custody of the children? Was she found unfit, or did she choose to give Ron custody? I am curious.

Where I live, you'd have to be an abusive, drug addicted, prostitute to lose custody as a mother.

[Adalena935]

Now, you KNOW with this post you just rattled a big bear's den right??

WOW suddenly I feel like shouting...

VIOLENCE AND ANGER have NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVING ON A LOW INCOME OR IN A TRAILER OR LIVING DOWN SOUTH.

Violence and anger, murder and theft, deception, molestation ALL of these things cross every boundry, every racial line, every economic line.

Just because someone lives in a trailer DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T DREAM ABOUT HAVING A BETTER LIFE.

HOLY CRAP don't even get me started.

I don't live in a trailer but I do know plenty of hard working, decent people who do and they all want a good life and good things for their kids.

HOLY CRAP go read up and do some research on domestic violence before you come in here and post this kind of nonsense.

Also? It's been my real life experience that people with southern accent's don't usually realize that they are saying "Y'all" much the less TYPE IT THAT WAY.

Whew.:cursing:

I agree. How many trutv crime shows we've seen where wealthy executives have offed their girlfriends and were serial abusers. Doctors burrying their wives under the cement while their new mansion was under construction. First few true crime books I read were doctors.

[Anni]

After last night's revelations on Geraldo, I think that the hesitancy that we've seen in Misty, and possibly the "suspicious" aspect that some comment on.....could be due to her having to hide that information about her cousin. I don't understand why she would have told CR that. I wonder if he really got it from someone else and not Misty.

It doesn't make sense that information would be getting out now.

This is what I have come away with from the bit on the cousin last night too. Who were the 2 cousins that came over with the brother that day? Could one of them been J.A.P? Could he have been the one to unlock that back door perhaps, knowing he would came back later? Is he the one with ties the Alabama or Georgia and that is why Marie feels strongly about this area.

Did Misti tell Ron, he (cousin) had been over and this is why Ron said "he would kill him if he finds him before the LE do" on the 911 call?

Another sad case :rose:

uggg, and I can't get the freaky face of Willy Craine out of my mind. What is up with that...

eta~ You know how you can sleep deep and someone comes in, (she was expecting Ron) and by the time she did wake and realize Ron was not home is when she started noticing the door, the brick, the child gone...

I have not heard her ever say the light was one, coulda missed it, dont think so, where did that come from?

[Adalena935]

Why does Crystal not have custody of the children? Was she found unfit, or did she choose to give Ron custody? I am curious.

Where I live, you'd have to be an abusive, drug addicted, prostitute to lose custody as a mother.

Hope this helps. I haven't read them or I'd outright tell you.

Posted in the links thread by ConchGirl

Parental and custody papers.http://www.fox30online.com/media/new...0/petineer.pdf

It won't open in Firefox, must use Explorer.

[3Monkeys]

This is what I have come away with from the bit on the cousin last night too. Who were the 2 cousins that came over with the brother that day? Could one of them been J.A.P? Could he have been the one to unlock that back door perhaps, knowing he would came back later? Is he the one with ties the Alabama or Georgia and that is why Marie feels strongly about this area.

Did Misti tell Ron, he (cousin) had been over and this is why Ron said "he would kill him if he finds him before the LE do" on the 911 call?

Another sad case :rose:

uggg, and I can't get the freaky face of Willy Craine out of my mind. What is up with that...


I thought the two cousins were Haleighs cousins - Misty's brothers sons.

Also, it's worth repeating, that J.A.P. has NOT been proven to be a cousin of Misty, just a RSO with the same last name as relations in Tenn.

[kitty1182]

all of yall seem to forget that these people live in a totally different world than we do....that they have different standards and values...they are "coupled" at their ages in general because they never even consider higher education....or anything vaguely similar to the dreams that we have for our families and children......They are JUST DIFFERENT.

yes....violence and anger are jsut that....but they have a TOTALLY different perspective than do we.


Wow..I have lived in a tralier..I didn't consider myself DIFFERENT...
I have the same standards and values then that I do now....


ETA..I live in the South and I smoke cigarettes and have wine at dinner..

[Adalena935]

I cant figure that out. This case is mind boggling !

I think it is too. I wonder if law enforcement yet knows what might have become of this child or who might have taken her from the home.

[Regina.Lampert]

It makes me sick the all of you can sit here and judge how someone handles a parent's worst nightmare! Have you ever had to call 911? I have 2 times and I'm so glad my tapes were released to the public:cursing:

Yes, I've called 911 several times. Hope you feel better real soon.

[kitty1182]

Just curious - what does a trailer have to do with anything? I didn't see "trailer" in CelticDawn's post, and no one connected to this case lives in a trailer either.

IMO that is one thing she was refering too..

[Mimi428]

Sorry but I don't believe this story for one second. I've seen the bio mother and she doesn't come across to me as someone that took any courses in reviving somone.

ITA. We had some discussion on the board over the weekend about how completely unbelievable the 'near-drowning' story was, from several standpoints.

JMO

[3Monkeys]

He actually hanged up on the dispatcher. Twice. Not helpful at all.

I only knew of the first call where he hung up on the dispatcher... said something like 'we have better people to talk to'... was there a second call?

I wondered if he was anxious to hang up the phone so that he could make other calls, to his mom, etc.

I'd love to see the phone records.

[Adalena935]

I haven't been reading the Haleigh threads until now, so my questions have probably already been addressed. But, could the footprint have been an older one? Could Haleigh have travelled that path recently? I know that door wasen't used frequently, but maybe it had been used enough to cause the dogs to hit on that path. Just asking.

I so don't want this to be another Jessica Lunsford-like case. I remember where I was when she was found. The store had the radio on. I broke down right then and there.

I don't suspect the dad. I tend not to suspect Misty. What are most of you guys thinking?

There's a poll thread asking that question. The majority of responders said they either don't know or don't suspect the dad or g/f.

The footprint has been ruled out an an older one. Source: Fox news & CNN a few days ago.

[kitty1182]

I only knew of the first call where he hung up on the dispatcher... said something like 'we have better people to talk to'... was there a second call?

I wondered if he was anxious to hang up the phone so that he could make other calls, to his mom, etc.

I'd love to see the phone records.

Me too.They would show if she really did try to call him when he didn't answer...

[Mandysmom]

Wow..I have lived in a tralier..I didn't consider myself DIFFERENT...
I have the same standards and values then that I do now....


ETA..I live in the South and I smoke cigarettes and have wine at dinner..

Kitty, I agree with you. None of that matters, it's the person and their values on the inside, and not those things we pick up on by looking at them.

Yes, you do all of those things you listed, and you are a very fine woman.

:wub:

[commonguymd]

Sorry but I don't believe this story for one second. I've seen the bio mother and she doesn't come across to me as someone that took any courses in reviving somone.

I don't know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

Grandmother says Haleigh afraid of water from this situation when she was 2.

[kitty1182]

Kitty, I agree with you. None of that matters, it's the person and their values on the inside, and not those things we pick up on by looking at them.

Yes, you do all of those things you listed, and you are a very fine woman.

:wub:

Hi sissy....I remember when all my son and I had to eat was pintos and cornbread....
Praying she will be found alive and well!!!!!

[3Monkeys]

The "we have better people to talk to" was at the end of the second call. When he hanged up the first time, the dispatcher called them back.

I had no idea... and I thought I was following this case closely. I've only seen the transcripts for the call that ended with 'we have better people to talk to'.... in fact, now that I think about it, that call started with Misty advising the dispatcher about her daughter being gone.... was there any exchange of words on the first call?

Help me fill in the blanks here. Do you have a link to both transcripts?

TIA.

ETA - the 911 calll transcripts, parts one and two, are in entry number one on the links page... this is the call I was speaking about - this is one call, IMO, transcribed into two parts.

[bama__angel]

Hi sissy....I remember when all my son and I had to eat was pintos and cornbread....
Praying she will be found alive and well!!!!!


Pintos and cornbread is goooooood......No matter what your economic circumstances...........

I also pray that she is alive and well............

[AmndaRcknwth]

Now, you KNOW with this post you just rattled a big bear's den right??

WOW suddenly I feel like shouting...

VIOLENCE AND ANGER have NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVING ON A LOW INCOME OR IN A TRAILER OR LIVING DOWN SOUTH.

Violence and anger, murder and theft, deception, molestation ALL of these things cross every boundry, every racial line, every economic line.

Just because someone lives in a trailer DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T DREAM ABOUT HAVING A BETTER LIFE.

HOLY CRAP don't even get me started.

I don't live in a trailer but I do know plenty of hard working, decent people who do and they all want a good life and good things for their kids.

HOLY CRAP go read up and do some research on domestic violence before you come in here and post this kind of nonsense.

Also? It's been my real life experience that people with southern accent's don't usually realize that they are saying "Y'all" much the less TYPE IT THAT WAY.

Whew.:cursing:

Thank you, beautiful heart.

[kitty1182]

Pintos and cornbread is goooooood......No matter what your economic circumstances...........

I also pray that she is alive and well............

Sure is......:thumbup:



Haleigh needs to be found soon, time is passing......:sad:

[texski]

loved that last post. i have lived in some pretty bad places, no longer have to, but i was one of the lucky ones. the trailer parks were a lot nicer than some of the small, chinzy, apartment buildings.

[Adalena935]

Califmermaid, My sister revived me when she was 9. I asked her how she knew what to do and she said; "My teacher told us."

[fastpitch]

There are many people who do not call the police. There are many people who certainly do not want the police digging through their home.

I think that might be the case, here.

[3Monkeys]

You can listen yourself to both calls here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXP15Uqwuk

He hangs up at 3 mins 34 secs, then the dispatcher calls them back at 3 mins 45 secs. He hangs up again at 6 mins 27 seconds.

Thank you for this - I'm sure I listened to it before, but somehow overlooked that fact that he hung up the first time.

[kitty1182]

NOW THIS...is interesting...

I just received this and I'm going to hand it on over to the rest of you sleuths out there to help me figure it out. (I have to go to the dentist).

Go to this link and take a lookie at this young man's face. Look especially at his nose, his eyes and the shape of his chin.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9104093

(Jeremy D. Miller)

Now head on over to this link and do like I did, open the pictures up in separate windows so you can compare the two...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493629,00.html

(click on the picture of Misty Croslin, age 17).

I'm telling you what if these two aren't BROTHER AND SISTER then I'm throwing in the towel.

Have a look. I can't wait to read what you come up with.

They do favor quite a bit..

[kitty1182]

I wouldn't be proud about the cig part I hope you quit someday:wink:



I have cut down a lot..lol

[bama__angel]

Why? They did call 911 and Ron kept screaming that he wanted them to come out, and not soon enough. :confused:


ITA.......In my opinion, Ron has hid nothing..........Turned over his house to LE....Ron knows that LE knows what his past is......Good Grief

[freejason]

NOW THIS...is interesting...

I just received this and I'm going to hand it on over to the rest of you sleuths out there to help me figure it out. (I have to go to the dentist).

Go to this link and take a lookie at this young man's face. Look especially at his nose, his eyes and the shape of his chin.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9104093

(Jeremy D. Miller)

Now head on over to this link and do like I did, open the pictures up in separate windows so you can compare the two...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493629,00.html

(click on the picture of Misty Croslin, age 17).

I'm telling you what if these two aren't BROTHER AND SISTER then I'm throwing in the towel.

Have a look. I can't wait to read what you come up with.

That's a really strong resemblance.....

[Adalena935]

LE should be able to determine Misty's siblings. As for the photos, a lot of people resemble each other in general society. It may or may not be Misty's sibling. The police should know from birth records.

[crymeariver2006]

I only knew of the first call where he hung up on the dispatcher... said something like 'we have better people to talk to'... was there a second call?

I wondered if he was anxious to hang up the phone so that he could make other calls, to his mom, etc.

I'd love to see the phone records.

Is it known how many phones they have? I mean, he's in the background telling Misty to give him "his phone" so he could call somebody, but if there's only the one phone, how is Misty calling him before he gets home?

Does Misty have a phone? Is there a landline in the house?

[spydernweb2006]

On top of the trauma of finding the bodies... there is that instinct as a parent to run to your child and hold them... and in that the scene can be contaminated.... evidence lost ~ I wouldn't wish that on anyone... finding a body is bad enough to find your own child..... you would NEVER forget that .....


Even if the cause of death is not murder or suicide but accidental a Parent finding their child dead is horrific. My Uncle is the Fire Chief of a small town and one night a call came in about an auto accident. He and his crew went immed to the accident scene where his youngest daughter had just died from the result of a drunk driver hitting their car while on the way to the local mall. My Poor Uncle saw his beloved daughter dead and mangled from the accident. To this day it haunts him. He is still the Fire Chief and has done alot to promote anti drinking and driving campaigns in his area. I wouldnt wish what happened to him on anyone.

So while I applaud the Father for trying to help find his daughter, in reality it really isnt a good idea.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[Santa'sMom]

Now, you KNOW with this post you just rattled a big bear's den right??

WOW suddenly I feel like shouting...

VIOLENCE AND ANGER have NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVING ON A LOW INCOME OR IN A TRAILER OR LIVING DOWN SOUTH.

Violence and anger, murder and theft, deception, molestation ALL of these things cross every boundry, every racial line, every economic line.

Just because someone lives in a trailer DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T DREAM ABOUT HAVING A BETTER LIFE.

HOLY CRAP don't even get me started.

I don't live in a trailer but I do know plenty of hard working, decent people who do and they all want a good life and good things for their kids.

HOLY CRAP go read up and do some research on domestic violence before you come in here and post this kind of nonsense.

Also? It's been my real life experience that people with southern accent's don't usually realize that they are saying "Y'all" much the less TYPE IT THAT WAY.

Whew.:cursing:


Where did CelticDawn say anything about living in a trailer? What she/he said is very true of certain groups of people who live in houses, tents, cars, whatever. Having lived in a small town less than 10 miles from Satsuma, I can tell you for a fact that there are many people living in that area that think and feel just as CD described. They aren't interested in education and domestic violence is considered a fact of life. I'm not saying that everyone there is that way, nor am I saying that it only happens in that area. I am saying that there are people who live that way. I've read and re-read CD's post and don't understand what she/he said that set you off so strongly. Maybe I'm missing something? Oh, and the "Y'all" thing? Maybe you haven't been around enough southerners? I have a definate southern accent, as do many of my friends and relatives, and we all have no problem writing "Y'all." It's a part of speech for many of us. I don't think you the word "the" yet I write it regularly.

[3Monkeys]

Is it known how many phones they have? I mean, he's in the background telling Misty to give him "his phone" so he could call somebody, but if there's only the one phone, how is Misty calling him before he gets home?

Does Misty have a phone? Is there a landline in the house?

Good point - I believe they have at least two phones, the one we believe Misty called him with, and the one that he had, that she would be calling. Don't know about a landline... my DH and I don't have one, haven't for over five years... just two mobiles, it's more economical in our situation. But yeah, good point, if they had two phones, he could have just made his call to the 'better' person using the second phone. :smile:

[Mandysmom]

Hi sissy....I remember when all my son and I had to eat was pintos and cornbread....
Praying she will be found alive and well!!!!!

Hey sweetie! I remember those days too. lol I have a feeling I might be getting closer to them that I ever thought I would again. :scared:

I had hoped that little Haleigh would have been found safe and home by now. This is just so sad.

:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

Grandmother says Haleigh afraid of water from this situation when she was 2.

But yet one of the photos clearly shows her playing in the water (looks like a lake) and Misty says she took her to "the river" a week before she disappeared.

I don't think she was that afraid of water, but then again I don't necessarily believe the "revived" story either. Believe me, I AM afraid of water and you wouldn't catch me in a lake.....or pool, or river, or the ocean....

[3Monkeys]

NOW THIS...is interesting...

I just received this and I'm going to hand it on over to the rest of you sleuths out there to help me figure it out. (I have to go to the dentist).

Go to this link and take a lookie at this young man's face. Look especially at his nose, his eyes and the shape of his chin.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=9104093

(Jeremy D. Miller)

Now head on over to this link and do like I did, open the pictures up in separate windows so you can compare the two...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493629,00.html

(click on the picture of Misty Croslin, age 17).

I'm telling you what if these two aren't BROTHER AND SISTER then I'm throwing in the towel.

Have a look. I can't wait to read what you come up with.

From discussion up thread, I thought this person could be a cousin, not a brother?

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't think Ron had ever had to call 911 before to know that the person on the phone wasn't the person that was coming out to his home to find Haleigh. That's why he was mad at the operator because she was just asking questions when she could be coming out to help find his daughter. IMO of course.

LOL, oh I think Ron has a pretty good idea of how LE works and responds to criminal activity.

[kitty1182]

Hey sweetie! I remember those days too. lol I have a feeling I might be getting closer to them that I ever thought I would again. :scared:

I had hoped that little Haleigh would have been found safe and home by now. This is just so sad.

:sad:

I wished I lived near there so I could help search......:sad:

[Mandysmom]

There are many people who do not call the police. There are many people who certainly do not want the police digging through their home.

I think that might be the case, here.

Well yeah, except for the fact that they DID call the police.

[CC I See]

Well, according to The Today Show, Misty has been reinterviewed. Clint Van Zant, criminal profiler told David Gregory that since they have searched such a wide area and found nothing, they go back to square one and concentrate on those closest to Haleigh.

I think that is where they will find the answer to this disappearance.... If Misti is not directly involved, she knows or strongly suspects who is and is protecting that person, my opinion only.I do not think this abduction is stranger related... but someone in the circle of friends, family or neighbors. They really need THE CLOSER to have a go at her.

[crymeariver2006]

ITA.......In my opinion, Ron has hid nothing..........Turned over his house to LE....Ron knows that LE knows what his past is......Good Grief

Not to be picky, but he really didn't have a choice in whether or not to turn the house over. That doesn't necessarily mean he has nothing to hide or that he hid anything.

Just sayin' :wink:

[crymeariver2006]

... If Misti is not directly involved, she knows or strongly suspects who is and is protecting that person, my opinion only.I do not think this abduction is stranger related... but someone in the circle of friends, family or neighbors. They really need THE CLOSER to have a go at her.

Or....

She's pointing elsewhere hoping to take some of the heat off of her.

[bama__angel]

LOL, oh I think Ron has a pretty good idea of how LE works and responds to criminal activity.


You're probably right about Ron...........I dont see what that has to do with the fact that his child is missing and why you would make that comment...........And 911 was called immediately.....which is what most normal loving parents would do..........

[CC I See]

Not to be picky, but he really didn't have a choice in whether or not to turn the house over. That doesn't necessarily mean he has nothing to hide or that he hid anything. Just sayin' :wink:

... is all ofRon's past arrests just related to drugs or is this another misinformation statement? I don't want to continue with rumors so please set me straight. Thanks

[TealMermaid]

Where did CelticDawn say anything about living in a trailer? What she/he said is very true of certain groups of people who live in houses, tents, cars, whatever. Having lived in a small town less than 10 miles from Satsuma, I can tell you for a fact that there are many people living in that area that think and feel just as CD described. They aren't interested in education and domestic violence is considered a fact of life. I'm not saying that everyone there is that way, nor am I saying that it only happens in that area. I am saying that there are people who live that way. I've read and re-read CD's post and don't understand what she/he said that set you off so strongly. Maybe I'm missing something? Oh, and the "Y'all" thing? Maybe you haven't been around enough southerners? I have a definate southern accent, as do many of my friends and relatives, and we all have no problem writing "Y'all." It's a part of speech for many of us. I don't think you the word "the" yet I write it regularly.

Is it common in that part of the country for girls as young as Misty to be a grown man's live in girlfriend/wife? I know where I live the neighbors would flip out over something like that!

[crymeariver2006]

LOL, oh I think Ron has a pretty good idea of how LE works and responds to criminal activity.

Oh no doubt. I don't think Ron and the police are strangers to each other.

[bama__angel]

You're probably right about Ron...........I dont see what that has to do with the fact that his child is missing and why you would make that comment...........And 911 was called immediately.....which is what most normal loving parents would do..........

and terrified out of their minds parents would do............

[kitty1182]

... is all ofRon's past arrests just related to drugs or is this another misinformation statement? I don't want to continue with rumors so please set me straight. Thanks

I saw his rap sheet ,I think it was on another board..

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm just wondering if it's the same Jeremy Miller that I have been reading about in these posts or if it's a different one and if so I think it's amazing how much they look alike.

What is your point on this? :confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh no doubt. I don't think Ron and the police are strangers to each other.

Just adding in that maybe he even has someone running interference too. :tongueside:

Maybe, just maybe. :blushing:

[crymeariver2006]

... is all ofRon's past arrests just related to drugs or is this another misinformation statement? I don't want to continue with rumors so please set me straight. Thanks

His record was posted on another board. I never could get the link to work correctly so I am definitely taking someone else's word for it. But no, not all of it was drug related.

Oh, and I better add the JMO 'cause I can't link it or provide a link for proof.

[Mandysmom]

Is it common in that part of the country for girls as young as Misty to be a grown man's live in girlfriend/wife? I know where I live the neighbors would flip out over something like that!

I'm sure it's common in all fifty states in certain areas. It happens everywhere, just depends on the people and their circumstances and how they were raised.

I would flip if it were my daughter, but to each his own I guess.

[CC I See]

Is it common in that part of the country for girls as young as Misty to be a grown man's live in girlfriend/wife? I know where I live the neighbors would flip out over something like that!... whether is is common or not, Laws were put in place to protect minor children and teens against adults. Misti had to be 16 when this relationship started and since this subject has been discussed so much and so many see nothing wrong here, I'm going to shut up and get off my soap box. Hopefully, LE will step in.... and yes, I think they should.

[WhiteShark]

I don't think Ron had ever had to call 911 before to know that the person on the phone wasn't the person that was coming out to his home to find Haleigh. That's why he was mad at the operator because she was just asking questions when she could be coming out to help find his daughter. IMO of course.

Even though I am a retired ED nurse and paramedic, the one time I had to call 911-I had just found my father unresponive on the floor in his house--------every single question was irritating and hard to answer as I was thinking and working. I got upset with 911, once I determined they were coming, I hit the button and thru the phone down. Although it seemed like hours of CPR, it was just a couple of minutes I heard someone coming thru the door and it was LE/medic.
I later apologized to the operator, but I couldn't even think to hear much less answer each and every detailed question.

BTW, there are reasons besides just gathering info for keeping people talking on the phone and a majority of people call down the longer they talk.

[Regina.Lampert]

You're probably right about Ron...........I dont see what that has to do with the fact that his child is missing and why you would make that comment...........And 911 was called immediately.....which is what most normal loving parents would do..........

Once again, 911 was not called "immediately." Croslin waited at least 27 minutes and then was told by Ronald to call 911. That's a fact.

[crymeariver2006]

Just adding in that maybe he even has someone running interference too. :tongueside:

Maybe, just maybe. :blushing:

That too.

:wink:

[GIGI4256]

Wow..I have lived in a tralier..I didn't consider myself DIFFERENT...
I have the same standards and values then that I do now....

ETA..I live in the South and I smoke cigarettes and have wine at dinner..

ITA, I live in Louisiana and see a lot of nice decent people living in trailers. Ron was at work. At least he works and isn’t living off of the government. People do the best they can. JMO

[Mandysmom]

Once again, 911 was not called "immediately." Croslin waited at least 27 minutes and then was told by Ronald to call 911. That's a fact.
Hey Regina and good morning.

Did she ever explain the wait to call police? I was wondering about that part myself.

[CC I See]

His record was posted on another board. I never could get the link to work correctly so I am definitely taking someone else's word for it. But no, not all of it was drug related.

Oh, and I better add the JMO 'cause I can't link it or provide a link for proof.... thank you. For some reason, he is being protected.... I guess his grief and all is being respected here. I do not think that he had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.

[bama__angel]

Once again, 911 was not called "immediately." Croslin waited at least 27 minutes and then was told by Ronald to call 911. That's a fact.



My point.....As soon as the parent found out 911 was called...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm not even sure MYSELF!!:w00t:

I tried to find the information that was typed about the Jeremy Miller that everyone was discussing wayyy back. Was he the missing registered sex offender? I'm lost.

Help.

IIRC..that this guy was the one who either molested Misty or assaulted her back in 2005..It seems he got sentenced to 8 years in prison for whatever he did...

The link to this is upthread abit..

LMS

[Santa'sMom]

Is it common in that part of the country for girls as young as Misty to be a grown man's live in girlfriend/wife? I know where I live the neighbors would flip out over something like that!

It is a very low income area there and, unfortunately, it isn't uncommon for young girls to shack up with older guys. There is a lot of alcohol/drug abuse there and more people with mental illness living there than in any other area I've lived in. My ex was a logger and we moved around the state a lot to follow the contracts. That area was the last place we lived together. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the people there are super wonderful people, money or no money, but there is a large population of ignorant people living there too.

[TealMermaid]

... whether is is common or not, Laws were put in place to protect minor children and teens against adults. Misti had to be 16 when this relationship started and since this subject has been discussed so much and so many see nothing wrong here, I'm going to shut up and get off my soap box. Hopefully, LE will step in.... and yes, I think they should.

I agree, and her age disturbs me.

But I know in some parts of the country/subcultures this is considered normal. I'm trying to figure out if this is "normal"in their social group, family, neighborhood, etc.

Didn't country singer, Loretta Lynn marry a grown man when she was just 14?

[CC I See]

Hey Regina and good morning.

Did she ever explain the wait to call police? I was wondering about that part myself.... I think she was waiting to talk to Ron to find out what she should do. At that point, she did not know or said she did not know where Haleigh was. She could have just been outside for some reason.

[Regina.Lampert]

Hey Regina and good morning.

Did she ever explain the wait to call police? I was wondering about that part myself.

An explanation wasn't in the formal police report that I saw. We only have her word about the time, a little before three, that she noticed Haleigh was missing. It could have been hours before, imo, and she was forced to call 911 when Ronald arrived home from work at 3:27 a.m. IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Wrong. If you're going to continue to assert that as fact, please substantiate it.

Thank you! This was addressed yesterday.

[101Spots]

Kitty, I agree with you. None of that matters, it's the person and their values on the inside, and not those things we pick up on by looking at them.

Yes, you do all of those things you listed, and you are a very fine woman.

:wub:

This is what I question in this case. Their past history speaks volumes on this subject.

Please notice I said "question," not hate, belittle, or denigrate. And at the same time, I can separate this from the fact that they have a missing child.

[Regina.Lampert]

Wrong. If you're going to continue to assert that as fact, please substantiate it.

What are you talking about. It's in the initial police report. If this is wrong, tell me how is it wrong? Do you have other information regarding the times?

[ConchGirl]

His record was posted on another board. I never could get the link to work correctly so I am definitely taking someone else's word for it. But no, not all of it was drug related.

Oh, and I better add the JMO 'cause I can't link it or provide a link for proof.

Ronald's rap sheet at post 86 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

[Mandysmom]

I agree, and her age disturbs me.

But I know in some parts of the country/subcultures this is considered normal. I'm trying to figure out if this is "normal"in their social group, family, neighborhood, etc.

Didn't country singer, Loretta Lynn marry a grown man when she was just 14?

Loretta married Mooney Lynn long years ago when it was the "norm" I guess.

That was in Kentucky, Appalachia if you will. Things are pretty bleak and hopeless there and stuff that shouldn't be going on in America.

Whether or not this was the "norm" in this area, I don't know. I would think that it takes place all over. Not just in certain areas of the country, i.e. the South.

[Deb7]

Did anyone else notice in the police report http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf on page 3 where they are describing the search that they did that evening, it mentions the tracks dropping at a railroad crossing? Seems odd that the tracks would just stop so abruptly at the train crossing.

I was wondering if maybe a train was there, and whoever took Haleigh jumped in an open car, or maybe if she was (sorry to put it this way) already dead that they put her body in there, and wherever that train car is, maybe they would find either Haleigh or some evidence?

Just a thought.
JMO

[Adalena935]

Wrong. If you're going to continue to assert that as fact, please substantiate it.

It's fact from the sheriff's report as we know it. What's the deal? :confused:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Misty told sheriff she woke up just before 3:00a.m. It’s in the 3rd paragraph down from where the sheriff’s synopsis starts.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=misty+croslin+911+call+3%3A27&aq=f&oq=

911 call came in at 3:27a.m

[fastpitch]

No, not all of Ron's arrests were for drug use. The arrest record details his probation and his passing drug testing. Some of his arrests were for "baiting" whatever it was he was hunting, with his headlights. It is called a hunting violation.

He also had a violation for owning some type of illegal gun for the season they were in.

But, hey, he hasn't been arrested for a couple of years, so maybe he has turned a corner.

But, could it be that his past dealings have come back to haunt him?

[kitty1182]

Ronald's rap sheet at post 86 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

Thank you....I could not remember what board I saw it on!!

[WhiteShark]

Once again, 911 was not called "immediately." Croslin waited at least 27 minutes and then was told by Ronald to call 911. That's a fact.

nope not a FACT..........Misty says sghe say the "3" on the clock........could have been anytime.......plus per her statement one has to ad a minute or two for looking in the living room, and seeing the door open, walking back thru the trailer and dailing Ron as he was arriving home.


This will turn out to be a stranger. Just a gut feel.

[BorderCollieMom]

Anyone watching CNN Headline News ?

I only got this tidbit from firstcoastnews...where is this place compared to her home ?

SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh Cummings has moved to a grassy area less than ten miles from the home from where she vanished one week ago.

More than sixty law enforcement officers from a number of different agencies are combing a field off Highway 17 south of Haleigh's home.

Locals tell First Coast News the investigators have been in that area for the past two days.

[Mandysmom]

This is what I question in this case. Their past history speaks volumes on this subject.

Please notice I said "question," not hate, belittle, or denigrate. And at the same time, I can separate this from the fact that they have a missing child.

I understand what you're saying.

[WhiteShark]

Is it common in that part of the country for girls as young as Misty to be a grown man's live in girlfriend/wife? I know where I live the neighbors would flip out over something like that!

No more common than my best friend in the world's dauther to living with a 22 yo in Wisconson. Nor the paternity fight waging in the UK between a 13 yr old boy and a 15 yr old Mom............:cursing:


I really aggravates me people assume so many factors in this case are "a Southern" thing.........:cursing:

[TealMermaid]

Loretta married Mooney Lynn long years ago when it was the "norm" I guess.

That was in Kentucky, Appalachia if you will. Things are pretty bleak and hopeless there and stuff that shouldn't be going on in America.

Whether or not this was the "norm" in this area, I don't know. I would think that it takes place all over. Not just in certain areas of the country, i.e. the South.

It wasn't the "norm" in the country when Loretta married Mooney. It was the "norm" in their sub-culture I guess.

It sounds like things are pretty bleak and hopeless where Ron and Misty live too. I'm trying to figure out if it's like with Loretta and Mooney-It's shocking to outsiders, but normal in "their community."

[Regina.Lampert]

It's fact from the sheriff's report as we know it. What's the deal? :confused:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Misty told sheriff she woke up just before 3:00a.m. It’s in the 3rd paragraph down from where the sheriff’s synopsis starts.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=misty+croslin+911+call+3%3A27&aq=f&oq=

911 call came in at 3:27a.m

Thank you for posting that Adalena. As you pointed out, Misty stated to the police that she woke up a little before 3:00 am.

Do you see it WhiteShark?

[WhiteShark]

... whether is is common or not, Laws were put in place to protect minor children and teens against adults. Misti had to be 16 when this relationship started and since this subject has been discussed so much and so many see nothing wrong here, I'm going to shut up and get off my soap box. Hopefully, LE will step in.... and yes, I think they should.

Do we know Ron's birthday? Because as I understand it, if he was 24 and she was 16 when this started, they were violating the law technically. Therefore, anything the parents said or did wouldn't matter.


(Mind you I am not defending this age difference.......it just doesn't automatically make either one of these people "bad")

[SavannahStar]

No, not all of Ron's arrests were for drug use. The arrest record details his probation and his passing drug testing. Some of his arrests were for "baiting" whatever it was he was hunting, with his headlights. It is called a hunting violation.

He also had a violation for owning some type of illegal gun for the season they were in.

But, hey, he hasn't been arrested for a couple of years, so maybe he has turned a corner.

But, could it be that his past dealings have come back to haunt him?

I noticed that too....a few arrests for hunting violations. They stood out to me, my son is a FL hunter. (No violations though! :smile:)

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm not even sure MYSELF!!:w00t:

I tried to find the information that was typed about the Jeremy Miller that everyone was discussing wayyy back. Was he the missing registered sex offender? I'm lost.

Help.

As of yesterday, THE MAN is still incarcerated. While the resemblence is there, many carry one side's looks and can be cousins or aunts and uncles for that matter with NO LEGAL or ILLEGAL INTER-FAMILIAL RELATIONS IMHO. :sneaky:

JMO again.

[ann10]

New developments on Fox. A violent sex offender in the area also disappears at the same time as Haleigh.

[kitty1182]

No, not all of Ron's arrests were for drug use. The arrest record details his probation and his passing drug testing. Some of his arrests were for "baiting" whatever it was he was hunting, with his headlights. It is called a hunting violation.

He also had a violation for owning some type of illegal gun for the season they were in.

But, hey, he hasn't been arrested for a couple of years, so maybe he has turned a corner.

But, could it be that his past dealings have come back to haunt him?


Post 86..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

You could be right, his past may have come back to haunt him..

[Mandysmom]

It wasn't the "norm" in the country when Loretta married Mooney. It was the "norm" in their sub-culture I guess.

It sounds like things are pretty bleak and hopeless where Ron and Misty live too. I'm trying to figure out if it's like with Loretta and Mooney-It's shocking to outsiders, but normal in "their community."
It was more normal back then to marry young. Not just in sub cultures as you call it.

No comparison to where Ron and Misti live to Appalachia. Not at all.

I don't think it's normal here anymore than it's normal in all parts of America.

[kitty1182]

I noticed that too....a few arrests for hunting violations. They stood out to me, my son is a FL hunter. (No violations though! :smile:)

There is some more too SS..
Post 86


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

[Mandysmom]

As of yesterday, THE MAN is still incarcerated. While the resemblence is there, many carry one side's looks and can be cousins or aunts and uncles for that matter with NO LEGAL or ILLEGAL INTER-FAMILIAL RELATIONS IMHO. :sneaky:

JMO again.

ITA! My youngest daughter and her second cousin look remarkably alike. :laugh:

[playnice]

New developments on Fox. A violent sex offender in the area also disappears at the same time as Haleigh.

That doesnt sound good. And if they are searching an area less than 10 mi away they may be following up on a tip.

[Deb7]

Do we know Ron's birthday? Because as I understand it, if he was 24 and she was 16 when this started, they were violating the law technically. Therefore, anything the parents said or did wouldn't matter.


(Mind you I am not defending this age difference.......it just doesn't automatically make either one of these people "bad")


On the police report, he turned 25 in October, while Misty was STILL 16
she didn't turn 17 until December.

:thumbdown:

[Mandysmom]

That doesnt sound good. And if they are searching an area less than 10 mi away they may be following up on a tip.

Is this that Chad guy that was missing from his mother's home?

[TealMermaid]

It was more normal back then to marry young. Not just in sub cultures as you call it.

No comparison to where Ron and Misti live to Appalachia. Not at all.

I don't think it's normal here anymore than it's normal in all parts of America.

Not that YOUNG!