Monday, Feb. 16

[kitty1182]

I do still wonder why we're not hearing more about the cousin story?

I know.....:confused:
Isn't LE looking for him?

[sunstar]

I find it odd too. Especially when he mentioned how hard it is to open the lock when he was saying that Haleigh couldn't have opened it herself. So, why would you check it everyday if no one really uses the door and you have no fear of your kids messing with it? Just odd.

JMO

Wouldn't you normally remind whoever is in the house to make sure it's locked, for example, before it gets dark? :shrug:

[juliekan]

I do still wonder why we're not hearing more about the cousin story?

On HLN just now, some TH said that LE is still checking on the cousin and his roommate.......

.....but just because they said it don't make it so:glare:

[Dunlurken]

ation here and not so repetitive. And for some reason, they aren't argumentative.[/QUOTE]
THUD! Wow, :mellow: Misty was molested! Explains a lot. JMO.

[CC I See]

Someone named Dr. Brian Miller on HLN just said that LE has basically cleared the family members in this case........:punch:......that goes to show how these igits just spout anything... maybe they just WANT them to think they are in the clear. I believe nothing anymore.

[Mandysmom]

They were probably checking on the doctor's visits that the mother couldn't make, maybe read that transcript today while you're here. JMO.:biggrin:

I so agree with you. The mother couldn't even be bothered about the children's health.

She's a real piece of work if you ask me. Ron was the better parent out of those two for sure.

:smile:

[sunstar]

I know.....:confused:
Isn't LE looking for him?

I'm watching HLN now and a local reporter just told Mike Brooks he couldn't say anything more about the cousin ~ like, no confirmed information, or something like that. I'm hoping Jane Velez Mitchell has something on her show tonight.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes and it may very well be the remnants of the child custody nightmare he went through. He`s probably somewhat guarded about choices he has made including Misty living there to begin with. Then there is the gun and the cousin being in that home.He may have lost his daughter for good........who knows what will follow concerning his son. For the moment he is standing by his choices.
other than on geraldo's show, has there been any other source for the story of a cousin of misty's who visited and stole ron's gun - and that this cousin once assaulted misty?

i'm somewhat confused because it seems the person who apparently assaulted misty when she was 13 is in prison until 1012 release date (links posted earlier on this board today). was misty assaulted twice by 2 different males?

eta - or is the cousin a known s.o. but it wasn't misty who was the victim??

[lune3]

Wait, the cousin who molested Misty is in prison? So it wasn't Padgett? I can't get all these cousins straight.

[kitty1182]

Who is Dr. Brian Miller and what is HLN initials represent?

Head Line News:smile:

[Zeus]

Yes and why does Misty not just clear these matters up once and for all so everyone can concentrate on an intruder. That is if she can clear these things up. Right now the family needs the media and the public's help MORE than ever. An interview with Misty is their number 1 chance to keep this story current. She is the one we most want to hear from. Seems to me she is laying low at the worst time ever. The media is there TODAY but gone tomorrow in most of these cases. She says she was like a mother to her........well the mother is speaking out no matter how hard it is.......she needs to speak up PRONTO!!

She probably has cleared it up with LE and that's all that counts. She shouldn't give anymore interviews to the media----they have reported specifics inaccurately too many times already.

The heck with the facts--get a report out there.

[emdragon]

.... I am wondering about that side door. When Misti's brother and nephews were visiting and the kids were playing could they have unlocked and opened that door. Then when Misti went to bed, the door was not checked since she thought it still locked from when Ron locked it before he left.

In the Lunsford case, Couey was able to gain entrance becasue a door was left unlocked.... there was no forced entry.

I've thought about that and find it very plausible.

[Mamie]

I know.....:confused:
Isn't LE looking for him?

Maybe LE knows more about that than they'd like to share at the moment. If we're not hearing anything about him, it's because they aren't finished with him, would be my guess. JMO

[ortiga]

The man that molested Misty is currently in prison.

It was her brother that was at the house, that day.

Do any of you visit the other sleuthing sites? I just started with them today and they are way ahead of the information here and not so repetitive. And for some reason, they aren't argumentative.

Yesterday you posted the following. Do you have a link to Ron and Misty being "known MJ users"? ie in the present? Or a link to Misty ever having been charged with that? You said that's why you "don't blame her for waiting" to call 911. Maybe you got it on one of the sleuthing sites?

"02-15-2009, 07:43 PM
sinagua
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 83

IMO, that side door is one that is never used in a trailer. That would be why they would say with certainty that it is dead bolted. I would like to see inside pics of that room, to see if the door is even usable - like maybe they stacked stuff in front of it.

There are numerous reasons why Misty would use a different bathroom. Maybe she needed her products.

Also, when you are known mj users, you do not normally call the police to your house. So, I don't blame her for waiting. If my phone is ringing and I just pulled into the driveway, I don't answer it either."

[CC I See]

to make matters worse, the Mother of the molester son called the boy up one day and told him that he was why her son killed himself and that if he had just kept quiet, he would still be alive. After that the boy had to go into intense therapy and is still suicidal.

My whole point here is to show that it takes guts to deal with sex offenders and many times because the family still loves them they look the other way. We don't know who took Haleigh, I just pray for her safe recovery and hope that she is OK.

[jakee]

Wait, the cousin who molested Misty is in prison? So it wasn't Padgett? I can't get all these cousins straight.

I can't either. I thought this molesting cousin was recently at their home and stole a gun? Who was that and is that just a rumor? I am with Kitty1182, vino time.

[frances1]

I'm sorry, Tree, can you explain your second sentence? I'm confused. TIA, dear. (bolding mine, I've been trying to think of another word but keep coming up empty handed.)

Me too, Mamie. I thought maybe 'infiltrated'?

[juliekan]

Thank you Adalena; When I typed that about the paper that is why I was being very careful about my wording. The PDF file I read was an attempt to overturn a previous ruling and had some allegations made by family members regarding Ron's activities.

Having dealt with unsavory characters in my life I am not apt to jump to believe something just because it's in writing nor just because someone "Says so" particularily in a custody case or divorce.

It ALL turns into 'he said she said'. Also one person's opinion of a "violent temper" is different from another's. This is a subjective thing unless actual violence has occured.

I remember on the first or second day of this case, we had a "twitter" link from someone from the Gainesville news, IIRC. On it was posted that the maternal grandparents had been talking with someone and brought up the allegations of Ron having a violent temperment and the children allegedly having bruises when they came to visit. I thought maybe that was where Greta got that info.

[Mandysmom]

LOL..MM lives in a castle...:smile:

I work hard at keeping it clean and it just ain't easy either, Kitty. I check all of the doors at night myself too.

Just out of habit, no real reason.:laugh:

[starling]

So far as I know no one knows what became of this little missing girl. Sheriff has said no one's ruled out, the whole world's suspect and there's no sign of forced entry and no evidence of stranger in the home.

Excuse me but Elizabeth Smart's sister witnessed her abduction and they knew for fact it was stranger kidnapping. No such thing exists in this case that has been reported.

Groene case there was mass slaughter at the home and evidence of breakin and binding the victims at the home. No such thing exists in this case that has been reported.

Excuse me but I was referring to the way a perp gets into the house. Geeez. Back to reading.

[juliekan]

I was thinking the same except step #1 would be to prop open screen door so as to have it ready knowing he would have his hands full on the way out. Screen doors can be noisy if you bump into them then let them go. Having 2 hands he could ease it open and prop the cinder block in no time. But yes I am leaning towards front door as entry point.

The light confuses me though. Wish we had floor plan. I am wondering if this was a master bedroom with bath attached>

It was reported earlier that the bedroom had an attached bath, so that MAY be correct.

[frances1]

I was thinking the same except step #1 would be to prop open screen door so as to have it ready knowing he would have his hands full on the way out. Screen doors can be noisy if you bump into them then let them go. Having 2 hands he could ease it open and prop the cinder block in no time. But yes I am leaning towards front door as entry point.

The light confuses me though. Wish we had floor plan. I am wondering if this was a master bedroom with bath attached>

Somehow I just can't picture an intruder actually turning on a light. Also, you can open a door and just not let it close all the way so you can get out easily, without using a cinder block to prop it open.

[kitty1182]

I work hard at keeping it clean and it just ain't easy either, Kitty. I check all of the doors at night myself too.

Just out of habit, no real reason.:laugh:




I noticed you checked them while I was there.:smile:
Praying Haleigh is found alive an well....
God bless this Dad.....

[Dunlurken]

Personally, I think LE knows what happened which is why they called off the search. Or else they don't have enough money to continue the investigation. Just a gut feeling. Something, something inside that "home" is shedding light. JMO.

I'm thinking we will see an arrest soon.

[Mandysmom]

Wait, the cousin who molested Misty is in prison? So it wasn't Padgett? I can't get all these cousins straight.

I know I saw it posted earlier today by someone, that the Padgett guy being discussed isn't caucasian. I took it to mean that the right guy was in prison and this other guy was the wrong one.

I don't know where the post is though. lol

[CC I See]

I have opened doors before with cc when I forgot my key. (Not where I live now) so I think its possible this person came in the front door, opened the back and propped it so they could get out. They grabbed Heliegh and Misti started waking up so they flipped on the light and ran off with Haliegh.... you can open a door with a credit card on a regular lock but not on a dead bolt. I've tried because you have to slide the bold out of the wall or door frame

[crymeariver2006]

Someone named Dr. Brian Miller on HLN just said that LE has basically cleared the family members in this case........:punch:......that goes to show how these igits just spout anything

Yeah, he was quoting George Anthony too as an "expert" in what to do when your child goes missing. "It's like George Anthony said....blah blah blah"....and "George Anthony says...blah blah blah".

Good grief!

And I used to have such respect for Dr. Miller.

[royals02]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but I found it quite interesting.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

[Rayosunshine]

Tim is only going back because LE told him to...............LE knows a whole lot more then we think they do imo.


Wonder what it is that LE knows that they are asking Tim to leave? You'd think the father would be informed also.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yeah, he was quoting George Anthony too as an "expert" in what to do when your child goes missing. "It's like George Anthony said....blah blah blah"....and "George Anthony says...blah blah blah".

Good grief!

And I used to have such respect for Dr. Miller.

someone quoting george as an expert in missing children cases??? it sounds like someone has had one too many mai tai's :ohmy:

[SavannahStar]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but I found it quite interesting.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

That was posted here this morning. Just an opinion.......I don't put much stock in it at all. Apparently that person thinks Ron and Misty killed Haleigh. :rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

Except if they are centering on Misty then seems the search would continue. Absent a confession and locating a body seems they would just open up the radius.Maybe a few phone taps, etc. ??????

[Mamie]

I was thinking the same except step #1 would be to prop open screen door so as to have it ready knowing he would have his hands full on the way out. Screen doors can be noisy if you bump into them then let them go. Having 2 hands he could ease it open and prop the cinder block in no time. But yes I am leaning towards front door as entry point.

The light confuses me though. Wish we had floor plan. I am wondering if this was a master bedroom with bath attached>

I also can see why they'd (he'd) want to use the ramp too because that way he could ease down it without falling or tripping----it would be more quiet. Good point about having a floor plan----I wish we had one too! JMO

[lune3]

I know I saw it posted earlier today by someone, that the Padgett guy being discussed isn't caucasian. I took it to mean that the right guy was in prison and this other guy was the wrong one.

I don't know where the post is though. lol

The whole Padgett thing came up when someone late last night found a link that a Padgett couple, who are family, were trying to raise money to come down to Florida from Tennessee. The poster then looked up the SO registry and found three Padgetts. 2 of them were ruled out, bit the third wasn't and it was speculated he was a cousin.
Then a poster related that Crystals mom said something about having a gut feeling that Haleigh was in Georgia, and somehow (can't remember how) a "cousin" from Tennessee was in the picture (having gone down to Georgia?)
Still not sure if this Padgett guy is actually related, but someone a few pages back said he was.

[AlohaRainbow]

Personally, I think LE knows what happened which is why they called off the search. Or else they don't have enough money to continue the investigation. Just a gut feeling. Something, something inside that "home" is shedding light. JMO.

I'm thinking we will see an arrest soon.

:confused: not enough money to continue the investigation??
i have never heard of any jurisdiction where le would call off a search / investigation for a missing 5 year old child because of money issues.

[Dunlurken]

I remember how Mark Lunsford was not given the benefit of the doubt when poor little Jessica went missing.

I DO NOT, think Ron had anything to do with his daughter's disappearance. Misty..... not so sure about. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

:confused: not enough money to continue the investigation??
i have never heard of any jurisdiction where le would call off a search / investigation for a missing 5 year old child because of money issues.

My point is this. It takes millions of dollars to continue an investigation. How much money does little Putnam county have coming in?

[Dunlurken]

The cinderblock struck me as odd because I've never heard of a kidnapper or burglar bringing a cinderblock to the crime with him. Ron told Greta he didn't recognize it and that he had never seen anything like it in his back yard.

Later was discovered there's a pile of them in the yard. It strikes me as odd that Ron would not check his own back yard with his child misisng for a week.

I'm not accusing him by any means. Just stating it strikes me as odd that he would make that statement right off on national tv without first LOOKING in his own back yard to SEE if any such thing exists there.

Anyone know how long they had lived there? JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but I found it quite interesting.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

Very interesting!

[5boxersmom]

Was it just the brother who visited Misty or was his wife with him also that day? He had his kids right?

[sunstar]

other than on geraldo's show, has there been any other source for the story of a cousin of misty's who visited and stole ron's gun - and that this cousin once assaulted misty?

i'm somewhat confused because it seems the person who apparently assaulted misty when she was 13 is in prison until 1012 release date (links posted earlier on this board today). was misty assaulted twice by 2 different males?

eta - or is the cousin a known s.o. but it wasn't misty who was the victim??

The way I understood it, this cousin who she is suspicious took Haleigh molested another cousin of Misty's ~ not her. MOO

[AlohaRainbow]

The man that molested Misty is currently in prison.

It was her brother that was at the house, that day.

Do any of you visit the other sleuthing sites? I just started with them today and they are way ahead of the information here and not so repetitive. And for some reason, they aren't argumentative.

that's what i thought about both - the man who nolested misty is still in prison, and it was her brother (and his sons, misty's nephews) at the house.

so, do the other sleuthing sites have any more info than we do about this (un-named) cousin of misty's who craig rivera said that he was told about - who allegedly is a sex offender and who recently visited and stole ron's gun??

[breeze53]

Looks like we are open for business



Hope so. I wonder what tomorrow will bring if they will keep searching and if so how many will show up. I still can't believe that they have ended this ground search already.

[kitty1182]

Looks like we are open for business

Dang, can;t delete mine......

[grammie/va]

Looks like we are open for business

Thanks for new paper, I would never start one.

[breeze53]

I wonder if we will find out the real reason that why TES left, Tim and LE's statements don't agree..

JMO

I know this didnt make sense to me UNLESS tomorrw we are going to find out some real news in which they no longer needed Tim.

[CC I See]

I wonder if we will find out the real reason that why TES left, Tim and LE's statements don't agree..

JMO... isn't TES searching for another missing child Dominick Arceneaux age three who is missing? That child may have wander away from home after being left to play alone outside his home. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348983

[grammie/va]

I know this didnt make sense to me UNLESS tomorrw we are going to find out some real news in which they no longer needed Tim.

There is still HOPE to find Haleigh alive, but time is not on her side , it is scary

[lune3]

If I read correctly in the last thread, there was new activity at the home today. I wonder if they've got a new lead or piece of evidence. May have something to do with why TES was no longer needed?

[breeze53]

There is still HOPE to find Haleigh alive, but time is not on her side , it is scary


Yes there's always hope. I dont know if this has been posted or not if so sorry but here's the information on the SO there looking for.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Ma rion_County_sex_offender_

[breeze53]

... isn't TES searching for another missing child Dominick Arceneaux age three who is missing? That child may have wander away from home after being left to play alone outside his home. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348983



Yes I think so but i found this on there website


From TES website:


02/16/09 It’s a quiet morning here at the command center, and the crowds are gone. Law enforcement and Texas EquuSearch have announced that the massive search effort for Haleigh Cummings has been suspended. We are currently loading up to head home for Texas.

We are leaving with tears in our eyes and pain in our heart, for we have not found Haleigh yet. However, we are also leaving with many new friends and much hope…for we have met a lot of new people and seen the best that people have to offer. This search effort has brought out the best in mankind. When tragedy struck this small community of Satsumah, the residents responded. Our members and volunteers have been treated with the utmost care and respect and we are so very grateful.

All for the love of a child, strangers and neighbors alike have come together in a massive labor of love. Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, to each and every one of you who participated in every way in this effort.

Continue to keep Haleigh and her family in your thoughts and prayers.

[CC I See]

Yes I think so but i found this on there website


From TES website:


02/16/09 It’s a quiet morning here at the command center, and the crowds are gone. Law enforcement and Texas EquuSearch have announced that the massive search effort for Haleigh Cummings has been suspended. We are currently loading up to head home for Texas.

We are leaving with tears in our eyes and pain in our heart, for we have not found Haleigh yet. However, we are also leaving with many new friends and much hope…for we have met a lot of new people and seen the best that people have to offer. This search effort has brought out the best in mankind. When tragedy struck this small community of Satsumah, the residents responded. Our members and volunteers have been treated with the utmost care and respect and we are so very grateful.

All for the love of a child, strangers and neighbors alike have come together in a massive labor of love. Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, to each and every one of you who participated in every way in this effort.

Continue to keep Haleigh and her family in your thoughts and prayers.Thank you so very much. How disappointing that both searches were futile ..... never, ever give up hope!

[breeze53]

Thank you so very much. How disappointing that both searches were futile ..... never, ever give up hope!


I hope and pray she's still alive, you know it has to hurt this family knowing the ground search has been called off and it's only been 1 week.

[kitty1182]

I wonder if we will find out the real reason that why TES left, Tim and LE's statements don't agree..

JMO

I hope we find out something tomorrow....

[Politigal]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=MISSINGGIRLPRESR0216_0216200 90442&cat=Local&title=Haleigh%20Cummings%20News%20Conference%20Feb %2016

This was the press conference from today and police said they were interviewing & reinterviewing & polygraphing family members, and friends and associates of the family. It seems that they are more focused on people familiar with the family than they are on sex offenders, IMO.

The question/answer period briefly mentioned the fact that a sex offender previously lived in the home but they wouldn't comment further on their investigation in that regard.

[breeze53]

OMG he broke into a double wide before! And the police don't think he has anything to do with Haleigh missing:confused:



I know i about fell out when i read that part.

[CC I See]

OMG he broke into a double wide before! And the police don't think he has anything to do with Haleigh missing:confused:... I keep thinking that LE knows more about who they are looking for than is being revealed. If there were fingerprints on any of the doors, kitchen light switch or other surfaces, they might know who was in the home. They also may not be sure yet, if this person was part of the circle of family or friends until they take every one's prints. Have we heard anything about people being fingerprinted?

[breeze53]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=MISSINGGIRLPRESR0216_0216200 90442&cat=Local&title=Haleigh%20Cummings%20News%20Conference%20Feb %2016

This was the press conference from today and police said they were interviewing & reinterviewing & polygraphing family members, and friends and associates of the family. It seems that they are more focused on people familiar with the family than they are on sex offenders, IMO.

The question/answer period briefly mentioned the fact that a sex offender previously lived in the home but they wouldn't comment further on their investigation in that regard.

I heard that too I wonder where that SO lives now?
I watched the interview with greta a few mins ago and the girl just doesn't act right. Not saying she is guilty because i am on the fence but something about the both of them just dont seem right to me.

[desmom]

Adalena935 posted this in the links thread - Thanks Adalena935!

Fresh Tip Prompts New Search For Haleigh
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html#-

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon, but no one would discuss what information prompted the response.

[breeze53]

... I keep thinking that LE knows more about who they are looking for than is being revealed. If there were fingerprints on any of the doors, kitchen light switch or other surfaces, they might know who was in the home. They also may not be sure yet, if this person was part of the circle of family or friends until they take every one's prints. Have we heard anything about people being fingerprinted?


I think they know alot more then there telling havent heard anything about the finger prints but have they let them back into the home yet? If not that seem odd to me since its been a week.

[breeze53]

There are probably 2 doublewides for every 1 regular house in Putnam County, LE probably doesn't consider him a person now because he was reported missing a week before this happened.

JMO

I dont think he is either I think we may all be surprised when they make an arrest.

[breeze53]

There were a lot of "no comments" in the presser, LE isn't giving out any information in this case.

JMO



Makes ya wonder why they even have them don't it/:w00t:

[emdragon]

I found it interesting that we got a no comment when it came to the question about previous tenets.

[Pag Boi]

OMG he broke into a double wide before! And the police don't think he has anything to do with Haleigh missing:confused:

LE says that everyone is a suspect (including the alleged a/c guy)

LE says they "are concerned about his welfare" since he hasn't contacted his mom since superbowl sunday. Uh huh. I think it's more likely they need to be able to conduct welfare checks on him at any place he is reported to have been sighted. JMOO tho

[Rick777]

I don't understand whats going on with LE in this case. It's almost like they know where Haleigh is, but they don't wanna tip the perp off. All the "no comments" at the pressers, and the fact the public really can't help because they give out NO solid info. You would THINK LE would want all eyes looking for Haleigh.:confused:

[Pag Boi]

Yes I think so but i found this on there website


From TES website:


02/16/09 It’s a quiet morning here at the command center, and the crowds are gone. Law enforcement and Texas EquuSearch have announced that the massive search effort for Haleigh Cummings has been suspended. We are currently loading up to head home for Texas.

We are leaving with tears in our eyes and pain in our heart, for we have not found Haleigh yet. However, we are also leaving with many new friends and much hope…for we have met a lot of new people and seen the best that people have to offer. This search effort has brought out the best in mankind. When tragedy struck this small community of Satsumah, the residents responded. Our members and volunteers have been treated with the utmost care and respect and we are so very grateful.

All for the love of a child, strangers and neighbors alike have come together in a massive labor of love. Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, to each and every one of you who participated in every way in this effort.

Continue to keep Haleigh and her family in your thoughts and prayers.

Thx for this post

I don't see how this conflicts w/ LE stmts. Am I missing something? TIA

[lune3]

I found it interesting that we got a no comment when it came to the question about previous tenets.

I agree. They could have said that they'd been cleared. I would think that LE has checked up on them within the last week.

[Themis]

I apologize in advance if this has been discussed before; I haven't read every single post of every thread.

Can someone please confirm that Ronald Cumings, Misty and his 2 children moved into that mobile home only 3 weeks ago?

[Politigal]

It was also reported this evening that police have put up check points on the roads again - especially at the Buffalo intersection and they'll be stopping all vehicles until 2am.

It seems kind of dumb for them to alert the public to the time frame though IMO.

[sunstar]

It was also reported this evening that police have put up check points on the roads again - especially at the Buffalo intersection and they'll be stopping all vehicles until 2am.

It seems kind of dumb for them to alert the public to the time frame though IMO.

I think the purpose is to check with people who come through that area Monday night/early Tuesday morning like they might have one week ago. Not so much looking at suspects but for more information from the public, like somebody might have seen something. :) MOO

[breeze53]

It was also reported this evening that police have put up check points on the roads again - especially at the Buffalo intersection and they'll be stopping all vehicles until 2am.

It seems kind of dumb for them to alert the public to the time frame though IMO.


Have they been doing this all week or what? First i have heard of this one.

[tootie]

I seems so early to call off a search. Excuse me for saying so but I've seen pets searched for longer then they have for this little girl. I know I'm not the one searching but gosh couldn't they have went on for at least another week? There has to be a reason they called off the ground search. Anyone know why? For Haleigh.....:rose:

[lune3]

Tim made another statement to the news today that is a little different, having been around Tim in the past I could tell that he really didn't want to leave.

JMO

Also, in one of the articles (sorry I don't remember which one) Ronald had said that TES hadn't yet searched particular areas and was upset. At the same time apparently LE spoke with Ronald to explain why the search was being called off around there.
I have a feeling that LE has reasons we are not privy to, and that the fact there was new activity at the house may point to something.

[Themis]

I seems so early to call off a search. Excuse me for saying so but I've seen pets searched for longer then they have for this little girl. I know I'm not the one searching but gosh couldn't they have went on for at least another week? There has to be a reason they called off the ground search. Anyone know why? For Haleigh.....:rose:


http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/2/16/438218.html

[Mamie]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=MISSINGGIRLPRESR0216_0216200 90442&cat=Local&title=Haleigh%20Cummings%20News%20Conference%20Feb %2016

This was the press conference from today and police said they were interviewing & reinterviewing & polygraphing family members, and friends and associates of the family. It seems that they are more focused on people familiar with the family than they are on sex offenders, IMO.

The question/answer period briefly mentioned the fact that a sex offender previously lived in the home but they wouldn't comment further on their investigation in that regard.

Well that perks my ears up----about the SO that previously lived in that mobile home. He knows the layout and any little "quirks" about the home. Not that I'd let go of the SO that his mother hasn't heard from since he went to go watch the Super Bowl (I'm thinking she didn't mean he actually went to the Super Bowl to watch) but this guy really makes me sit up and take notice. JMO

[Spry]

I seems so early to call off a search. Excuse me for saying so but I've seen pets searched for longer then they have for this little girl. I know I'm not the one searching but gosh couldn't they have went on for at least another week? There has to be a reason they called off the ground search. Anyone know why? For Haleigh.....:rose:

I'm thinking the police have targeted one or a few suspects and that searching is no longer required. What makes me sad is that there has been no announcement that Haleigh is coming home. imo

[tootie]

Thanks everyone. I know if if were my kid I wouldn't want them to stop searching. So I can only imagine the frustration and sadness. :(

[CC I See]

I seems so early to call off a search. Excuse me for saying so but I've seen pets searched for longer then they have for this little girl. I know I'm not the one searching but gosh couldn't they have went on for at least another week? There has to be a reason they called off the ground search. Anyone know why? For Haleigh.....:rose:...... yes, it is heartbreaking that they have stopped searching. But please keep this in mind, it takes a lot of effort to organize and conduct searches. It is also potentially dangerous putting people at risk. It is not as simple as one might think. I have done searches with a group and it is heartbreaking. Hopefully, something will break and searching will no longer be needed.

[Mayasmimi]

I apologize in advance if this has been discussed before; I haven't read every single post of every thread.

Can someone please confirm that Ronald Cumings, Misty and his 2 children moved into that mobile home only 3 weeks ago?

I was under the impression it was more like four months, give or take.

[playnice]

Well that perks my ears up----about the SO that previously lived in that mobile home. He knows the layout and any little "quirks" about the home. Not that I'd let go of the SO that his mother hasn't heard from since he went to go watch the Super Bowl (I'm thinking she didn't mean he actually went to the Super Bowl to watch) but this guy really makes me sit up and take notice. JMO

chad committed his crimes in Putman county. Maybe he lived in that trailer with someone previously.

[Themis]

I was under the impression it was more like four months, give or take.

Thank you for responding, Mayasmimi.:smile:

That is what I have thought also -- that it was a few months ago Cumings & Co. moved into that mobile home.

Which is why I was so surprised to hear Clint Van Zandt, NBC News consultant and former FBI profiler, state that this family had only moved in 3 weeks ago. He said it on the Today Show. I realize that any of these news consultants can make reporting errors (and do all too often!), but I expect more from him considering his background.

[Politigal]

I think the purpose is to check with people who come through that area Monday night/early Tuesday morning like they might have one week ago. Not so much looking at suspects but for more information from the public, like somebody might have seen something. :) MOO

that makes sense

[Politigal]

Thank you for responding, Mayasmimi.:smile:

That is what I have thought also -- that it was a few months ago Cumings & Co. moved into that mobile home.

Which is why I was so surprised to hear Clint Van Zandt, NBC News consultant and former FBI profiler, state that this family had only moved in 3 weeks ago. He said it on the Today Show. I realize that any of these news consultants can make reporting errors (and do all too often!), but I expect more from him considering his background.

IIRC it was previously reported that Ronald Cummings had lived at the mobile home for 5 months.

[emdragon]

Hate to say it but he's the guy.

It does seem to be a bit more than just a coincidence that his crime and this case are so similar.

[Mamie]

Thank you for responding, Mayasmimi.:smile:

That is what I have thought also -- that it was a few months ago Cumings & Co. moved into that mobile home.

Which is why I was so surprised to hear Clint Van Zandt, NBC News consultant and former FBI profiler, state that this family had only moved in 3 weeks ago. He said it on the Today Show. I realize that any of these news consultants can make reporting errors (and do all too often!), but I expect more from him considering his background.


It was just confirmed by a reporter on Greta that Ron and Misti and family have only lived in the mobile home a couple of weeks or so---were her exact words. I think it was said a couple of days ago that Ron and Misti have only been "together" for four or six months.

I wonder if anyone has thought about where they moved FROM, and was there anyone in their neighborhood who was watching Haleigh and then traced them to their new residence. JMO

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

Hi all
I just got home from Jax, but watched the presser this afternoon.
Sheriff Hardy seemed shocked that it is being said that TES was asked to leave.
I think that this report may be a mis-communication.
Perhaps TES was asked to help search elsewhere and Tim Miller felt they had covered as much ground as they could in Satsuma?
Time is not on Haleigh's side.
Tim has to use his resources wisely.
I feel so sad.
It's very cold tonight in N FL.
Where could Haleigh be?

[Pag Boi]

Tim made another statement to the news today that is a little different, having been around Tim in the past I could tell that he really didn't want to leave.

JMO


Okay. I will respect that it is your opinion of the situation. Thx for speaking up.

[Mamie]

I can see from the link why LE wants to speak with him. I wonder how he got into the house without any signs of breakin though. The link says in the other case he picked a lock, but Ron says this is a secure deadbolt. Burglars try to breakin my businesses and others regularly and they've never breached a deadbolt. Tore up doors, door jams, walls but never got in. The deadbolt held. Don't see how a pocket knife could trump a deadbolt.

If this guy got in with a pocketknife or any instrument including a crowbar I'd really be interested to see what type of lock was on the door(s). I'd bet not a deadbolt.

Who says he came in that way though? He could have come in through the front door. Easier door to get in? We don't know if it was locked or not and we know the deadbolt door was unlocked but when was it unlocked? I'm thinking it might be the SO that lived in that very mobile home before Ron and his family moved in there. JMO

[playnice]

I can see from the link why LE wants to speak with him. I wonder how he got into the house without any signs of breakin though. The link says in the other case he picked a lock, but Ron says this is a secure deadbolt. Burglars try to breakin my businesses and others regularly and they've never breached a deadbolt. Tore up doors, door jams, walls but never got in. The deadbolt held. Don't see how a pocket knife could trump a deadbolt.

If this guy got in with a pocketknife or any instrument including a crowbar I'd really be interested to see what type of lock was on the door(s). I'd bet not a deadbolt.

Hopefully they fingerprinted the front door too. Maybe a cc to open the door?

[bluwaters]

I always feel for law enforcement in these cases also. The sheriff that did the pressor today got choked up. He said they are frustrated. I don't doubt that.
Hardy has been Sheriff for one month!
I didn't realize that until today.
I like him, he seems very sincere.
The FDLE office in Jax is certainly giving him lots of support, as are the Sheriffs in nearby counties.

[Magnum357]

It was just confirmed by a reporter on Greta that Ron and Misti and family have only lived in the mobile home a couple of weeks or so---were her exact words. I think it was said a couple of days ago that Ron and Misti have only been "together" for four or six months.

I wonder if anyone has thought about where they moved FROM, and was there anyone in their neighborhood who was watching Haleigh and then traced them to their new residence. JMO"

It was also reported on Greta that Haleigh's status is 'Endangered Child' instead of 'Missing Child'.

[Themis]

IIRC it was previously reported that Ronald Cummings had lived at the mobile home for 5 months.

Thanks, Politigal :smile:

All I have read about this case indicated Cummings had moved into that mobile home a few months ago.

Don't know how Van Zandt was SO far off base when he said it was only 3 weeks! V.Z. says at 5 minutes into this video:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29220887#29220887

It's annoying.

MO

[msgatorslayer]

KidsFinders should drop the coin cups and start their own search. JMO

[Mayasmimi]

Thank you for responding, Mayasmimi.:smile:

That is what I have thought also -- that it was a few months ago Cumings & Co. moved into that mobile home.

Which is why I was so surprised to hear Clint Van Zandt, NBC News consultant and former FBI profiler, state that this family had only moved in 3 weeks ago. He said it on the Today Show. I realize that any of these news consultants can make reporting errors (and do all too often!), but I expect more from him considering his background.


I know what you mean. Odd the disparity amongst reports....kind of all over the place.

[msgatorslayer]

Patricia Brown said whoever did this knew the child was there. She indicated it's a fairly rural area and somebody didn't go in there by picking the house at random hoping to find what they went for. That sounded reasonable.

Source: Nancy Grace

Definately!! Hopefully there are no Couey 3 people living around there hiding the fact that their SO relative had spent the night with them.

Whoever took Haleigh, if it was a stranger, seen her there. While she was out playing and such.

[Themis]

It was just confirmed by a reporter on Greta that Ron and Misti and family have only lived in the mobile home a couple of weeks or so---were her exact words. I think it was said a couple of days ago that Ron and Misti have only been "together" for four or six months.

I wonder if anyone has thought about where they moved FROM, and was there anyone in their neighborhood who was watching Haleigh and then traced them to their new residence. JMO

WHAT?! Then Van Zandt was correct! Mr. Van Zandt I owe you a sincere apology.

That Cumings & family only moved into that mobile home only 3 weeks ago can be very significant for all kinds of reasons; one of them being what you said.

Thank you very much, Mamie!:smile:

[Mayasmimi]

It was just confirmed by a reporter on Greta that Ron and Misti and family have only lived in the mobile home a couple of weeks or so---were her exact words. I think it was said a couple of days ago that Ron and Misti have only been "together" for four or six months.

I wonder if anyone has thought about where they moved FROM, and was there anyone in their neighborhood who was watching Haleigh and then traced them to their new residence. JMO

Confused. I still think from the beginning it was 4 plus months. Now three weeks? Not a huge gap in time if we were talking about the date they moved in, years in the future. It's a huge gap in a six month "relationship". Just me?

[Magnum357]

WHAT?! Then Van Zandt was correct! Mr. Van Zandt I owe you a sincere apology.

That Cumings & family only moved into that mobile home only 3 weeks ago can be very significant for all kinds of reasons; one of them being what you said.

Thank you very much, Mamie!:smile:

Another being that it's been said Misty moved in with Ron right after they met, since they've been dating for about 5 months. If they've only lived there a few weeks, that changes.

[Mayasmimi]

Mamie, That's a whole lot of fenagling when you picture the burglar coming in any other way besides back door. He'd either have to bring the cinderblock with him or after forging thru the home after breakin from other area, make his way to the back door, unlock from the inside, make noise with the screen door, go out back approx. 50' to the pile of cinderblocks said to be there, get a cinderblock, come back to the back door, hope no one awoke in the interim, and then go about his task of propping the screen door, back in the solid door, to the bedroom with g/f sleeping, hope not to wake up jr. because he might start crying, turn on the kitchen light, goto the bedroom with people sleeping including babysitter/girlfriend, take the child and hope to make it out of the house finally! whew!

....without being discovered. Because dad had one gun that we know and might had others and g/f might not be as bad a shot as she is a scholar.

Yeah.....no. Could not have happened in my home, and I'm a deep sleeper. Just, at the moment, not buying the stranger danger.

[CC I See]

Thankfully stranger abductions are rare where they enter a residence and take a child.... but they still happen. Most stranger abductions happen while the child is outside or away from home. This is scary when a parent can't protect their children either way.

Unless the abductor wore gloves, I think that LE has a good idea who was there that night. The fact that they don't seem to be connecting the missing SO to the Haleigh abduction is that there may be none of his prints there.

[Zeus]

"

It was also reported on Greta that Haleigh's status is 'Endangered Child' instead of 'Missing Child'.

That's really ODD!!! Did they elaborate?

[Mayasmimi]

Yes, it is a huge gap in time. Dad told Greta last week he had lived there 6 months. News reports said closer to 4 - 5 months (depending on which report you read).

Dad would have known. I don't believe he's that dense not to know how long he's lived at that residence. I believe he said 6 months on purpose. But why would he do that in a matter so important as his 5 yr old daughter having been "stolen" as he says?

Even if he might have suspected someone, would he have known that for fact the first minute he arrived home? Also, if he suspected someone why not say who so as to hasten the retrieval of his 5 yr old daughter?

Absolutely. The stories keep changing. I keep thinking of the Lunsford case. Has everything been checked and double checked?

[Mamie]

Confused. I still think from the beginning it was 4 plus months. Now three weeks? Not a huge gap in time if we were talking about the date they moved in, years in the future. It's a huge gap in a six month "relationship". Just me?

No, not just you, but you know news agencies as well as I do and how they can bungle information. I'm only reporting what the reporter on Greta said. And if we're relying on anything that Dad said that first interview in the face of the cameras, I don't think we can totally rely on that either because he appeared to me to have had a sedative or something and may have misunderstood the question. I thought it was his ex-wife who said that Ron and Misti had been together about 4 or 6 months in one of her interviews, but I could be wrong about who said it. I never heard any of the parties that live in the mobile home say how long they've been there. It's only been news accounts. JMO

[Themis]

Thanks for that info Mamie.

Dad told Greta last week he had lived there 6 months.

The plot thickens

Yes, the plot indeed thickens if Cummings told Greta last week he had lived there for 6 months and now we learn it has only been 3 weeks! (I personally did not hear Ronald Cumings tell Greta that; I do not always see her show.)

Could this be the reason there's an investigative team back at that mobile home today?

hmmm

[Magnum357]

That's really ODD!!! Did they elaborate?

Not really. They just said something to the effect that they made a mistake initially and she should have been classified as 'endangered'

[3Monkeys]

"

It was also reported on Greta that Haleigh's status is 'Endangered Child' instead of 'Missing Child'.

Does that mean they think they know who she's with?

[Mayasmimi]

No, not just you, but you know news agencies as well as I do and how they can bungle information. I'm only reporting what the reporter on Greta said.


I know. Just boggles the mind. Meant no disrespect. I rarely catch Greta in this time zone. AZ time.

[Magnum357]

Does that mean they think they know who she's with?

They didn't say that but it sure was a strange comment. Makes you wonder.

[CC I See]

Does that mean they think they know who she's with? When a child is listed as missing, it usually means they have run away or taken by a noncustodial parent or relative and there is little reason to believe it is to harm them. When a child is listed as Endangered, it means that they have been taken by someone with the intent to harm them.

[Mamie]

That's really ODD!!! Did they elaborate?

That was in the press conference today that was put on by LE. They stated that in the very beginning she should have been classified that way instead of missing.

[Mayasmimi]

Can anyone think of a good reason why Ron Cummings would tell Greta he lived at the home for 6 months, when it's only 3 weeks?

Ummm? Maybe he lived in the neighborhood? I can't think of any GOOD reason.

[3Monkeys]

When a child is listed as missing, it usually means they have run away or taken by a noncustodial parent or relative and there is little reason to believe it is to harm them. When a child is listed as Endangered, it means that they have been taken by someone with the intent to harm them.


Thank you.

[Mamie]

I know. Just boggles the mind. Meant no disrespect. I rarely catch Greta in this time zone. AZ time.

Oh, I know you didn't. Just giving you the whole story. Just the facts, ma'am. LOL

[Ice Cycle]

The problem that I have with it being a Stranger or SO is why go into the trailer and get her and risk someone waking up or the Dad coming home early. She obviously played outside as it does show that she had a bicycle. Unless her bed was right by that door and he would have to have knowledge of that.

[Mayasmimi]

It sounds like they know she's endangered. I wouldn't read anything into it particularly other than what the label implies Endangered Child

Maybe there's someplace we can look that up to see what is meant by it, exactly.

Well.....I remember something about social services being at the home. No police calls. So...if social services have been involved with Ron, Misty, Haleigh and Jr......Where? Betcha it was this home. Wonder why SS was involved, and when?

[lune3]

Can anyone think of a good reason why Ron Cummings would tell Greta he lived at the home for 6 months, when it's only 3 weeks?

If this is true, guilt maybe? Feeling guilty he couldn't protect his daughter and that he would be looked at with suspicion since only 3 weeks in a new residence would imply he wasn't settled enough or informed about who was living around him? Something like that? I can't come up with any other reason. Very strange that discrepancy.

[Pag Boi]

Patricia Brown said whoever did this knew the child was there. She indicated it's a fairly rural area and somebody didn't go in there by picking the house at random hoping to find what they went for. That sounded reasonable.

Source: Nancy Grace


That is an astute observation and narrows it down quite a bit JMOO. Now was it family? former tenant? Maintenance person? Landlord? Friend/relative of family? Someone watching from afar? RSO? Neighbor? Other?

[CC I See]

The problem that I have with it being a Stranger or SO is why go into the trailer and get her and risk someone waking up or the Dad coming home early. She obviously played outside as it does show that she had a bicycle. Unless her bed was right by that door and he would have to have knowledge of that. When a sex offender gets the urge to abduct, they take the risk to get what they want. A locked door or window won't stop them if they are that determined. Couey walked through a door left open to abduct Jessica.... he didn't care about getting caught as long as he got what he wanted.

[Mamie]

Can anyone think of a good reason why Ron Cummings would tell Greta he lived at the home for 6 months, when it's only 3 weeks?


I can think of one------maybe Ron was confused by the question or maybe he didn't hear her question completely and thought she was asking about how long they'd been together.

Then there's this reason-----he told the truth and the news people including the FBI guy are wrong. You are correct in that it is a huge discrepancy in time. What it could mean as far as changing the case I don't know but I do know that if it turns out that they've only been there for the three weeks, I wonder where they lived prior to that and has that area's residents been questioned or looked at to see how many SO's live there. JMO

[CC I See]

Well.....I remember something about social services being at the home. No police calls. So...if social services have been involved with Ron, Misty, Haleigh and Jr......Where? Betcha it was this home. Wonder why SS was involved. It was posted on an earlier thread that Haleigh has missed a lot of school which might get Social Services involved if this is true.

[Zeus]

When a child is listed as missing, it usually means they have run away or taken by a noncustodial parent or relative and there is little reason to believe it is to harm them. When a child is listed as Endangered, it means that they have been taken by someone with the intent to harm them.

Well that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

[lune3]

That is an astute observation and narrows it down quite a bit JMOO. Now was it family? former tenant? Maintenance person? Landlord? Friend/relative of family? Someone watching from afar? RSO? Neighbor? Other?

The Padgett SO cousin from Tennessee?
IIRC didn't Chrystal's mom say something about her gut feeling H might be in Georgia, and this cousin can't be found? The whole Padgett business has me feeling uneasy (if it's true that guy is indeed a cousin, as someone in another thread confirmed)

[Mayasmimi]

Yes I wonder that too. I recall it being spoken of on one of the talking head shows but can't remember which one. either greta or nancy grace, but they said they're not devolving that information at this time. I don't remember who it was that said that either. It could've been a sheriff spokesperson, can't recall.

I believe it was NG asking the sheriff. He confirmed it was true but wouldn't go into detail.


Had to have been on Nancy's show. I rarely see Greta. Need to watch more Greta. Nancy's show annoyed me tonight.

[Mamie]

Oh. Thanks. It sounds like it's because they determined early on that she had not just wandered off.

I wonder if Ron knew whoever lived in the trailer before himself. Or anyone who might have known someone, or known someone who stayed there or visited there. It wouldn't surprise me if LE knows of some connection regardless how seemingly remote.


Well, LE does know that a former SO lived in that very trailer before Ron and his family. So I said earlier that THAT perks up my ears because the person knows the layout plus all the little things that are particular to that trailer. JMO

[Mayasmimi]

It was posted on an earlier thread that Haleigh has missed a lot of school which might get Social Services involved if this is true.

Oh...yeah. I completely forgot about that. I think one of the THs on Nancy's show said the same. My bad. Thank you.

[CC I See]

Well, LE does know that a former SO lived in that very trailer before Ron and his family. So I said earlier that THAT perks up my ears because the person knows the layout plus all the little things that are particular to that trailer. JMO... so he might still have a key and his prints can be explained since they probably still over over the place. How long has it been since he lived there?

[emdragon]

Is it possible Ron might have stayed with someone at that residence prior to his having the rent in his name? That might account for the 5-6 month v. 3 week discrepancy.



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November."

The owner of the home lives next door and Ron lived next door to her prior to moving into the current home.

So it sounds like he has been in that area for awhile.

[Themis]

Oh. Thanks. It sounds like it's because they determined early on that she had not just wandered off.

I wonder if Ron knew whoever lived in the trailer before himself. Or anyone who might have known someone, or known someone who stayed there or visited there. It wouldn't surprise me if LE knows of some connection regardless how seemingly remote.

Was Cummings living with his mother or grandmother earlier?
I remember reading that these 2 women babysat his 2 kids before he and Missy started dating.
Could it be that once Ron and Missy 'got together' things got a little crowded wherever he was living before; i.e., mother or grandmother.
So, he was looking to move into his own place. He could have asked his circle of friends and acquaintances if they knew of an empty place to rent. Or one of Missy's relatives steered them to this mobile home for rent. Considering all that has been written about the extended families.

I seriously don't know how anyone could get confused by: "How long have you lived at this address?" And the answer is 6 months or 3 weeks.

[Ice Cycle]

When a sex offender gets the urge to abduct, they take the risk to get what they want. A locked door or window won't stop them if they are that determined. Couey walked through a door left open to abduct Jessica.... he didn't care about getting caught as long as he got what he wanted.

True and I have leaned toward a stranger since the beginning but
it does seem like a awful big coincidence that he was able to succeed
if so.

[Mayasmimi]

Because He rounded it up and Greta and the other news reporters got it wrong.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top



The owner of the home lives next door and Ron lived next door to her prior to moving into the current home.

So it sounds like he has been in that area for awhile.

So....maybe he lived in this home for a short while, but lived in the neighborhood for some time. What I assumed.

[Magnum357]

I can tell you who she's not with.


I can tell you that if I was heading up this investigation I would want this man in my grasp and I would want him there NOW.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902160908/1002/NEWS01?Title=More_information_about_the_missing_Ma rion_County_sex_offender_


To me? This is one of those "No Brainer" moments.

I'm hoping some of you folks familiar with the area can help us out here on understanding just how big some of these counties are but I will tell you this...a cat doesn't change it's spots.

In reading interviews with thieves and rapists and murderers they will even speak of other crimes as something they would never do. Such as a car thief will talk about his prefered method ect... A rapist will blurt out "I'm a rapist not a kidnapper". Stuff like that.

Often times these sexual predators have a pre-programmed fantasy that runs in their head. It fuels their flames and the fantasy goes over and over in their head like a broken record. Self-defense specialists will teach you that in certain circumstances if you are confronted by say a sadistic rapist and something, anything can interfere with that fantasy in their head one of two things will happen, A: They will become completely enraged and kill you or B: They will flee the scene because the fantasy is ruined.

Also (and no, I don't have a link) there are lots of stats out there showing re-offenses and how much time passes between release and reoffense. Also how much time passes between which TYPE of offense.
For instance upon release a sadistic sexual rapist usually, "USUALLY" goes no less than 6 months before repeat offending. (According to the stats I have rolling around in my head with no link attached).

"USUALLY", these same type of offenders going on with the same type of fantasy will re-offend using the same game plan. Remember now, it's the fantasy in their head that they can't get away from. This fantasy is the motor that drives the crime...

This missing S.O. is really, REALLY someone LE would want to get in touch with.

If he was charged with this crime in Putnam county then that means he commited the crime in Putnam county. He didn't commit it over in Kentucky and happen to have relatives in Florida or visit Sea world by accident. His relatives live in Putnam County. He and his mother live/d in Marion county just to the west side of Putnam and the car he borrowed was found in an "undisclosed location" near the Marion county and Lake county line. Which happens to be just south of Sutsuma, Florida.

He BROKE INTO A DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER in the NIGHT. He used a pocket knife to cut away at the shorts and underwear of this little girl. THIS? is the fantasy that is powering this guy's engine.

My money's on this dark horse and when they find him he won't have this little girl but he'll know what happened to her.

Very well thought out post, Justamama. You've convinced me.

[emdragon]

So....maybe he lived in this home for a short while, but lived in the neighborhood for some time. What I assumed.

Yeah it sounds like he lived on one side of the neighbors since Aug. and then moved into the house they owned in Nov. So they have lived there 4 months.

[emdragon]

AND if this poor, lost sex offender was in danger and LE was so worried about his safety WHY was the location of the abandoned car "undisclosed"?

:mad:

I didn't know it was undisclosed I had read the car he was using was found where he said he had broken down near the Wal-Mart.

[Mayasmimi]

AND if this poor, lost sex offender was in danger and LE was so worried about his safety WHY was the location of the abandoned car "undisclosed"?

:mad:

I wondered why the location of the abandoned car was not disclosed. Seemed strange. Who the heck knows?

[Mamie]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top



The owner of the home lives next door and Ron lived next door to her prior to moving into the current home.

So it sounds like he has been in that area for awhile.

That clears up a lot. It clears up where they lived before (since August) and it does clear up that they've lived in that trailer since November---which if it's the first of Nov. then three and a half months. So the three weeks is out and the three months is in and I can understand why he would say six months to Greta. JMO

[Mayasmimi]

REALLY? I thought it was kind of rambling.

But this guy was released in November and goes missing in less than 3 months? He's familiar with the exact area Haleigh is missing from and she goes missing within a week from when he's last seen?

Nah. He was scoping it out. He needed time to set the scene.

If anything the laws need to be changed.

It's not our children that need to wear GPS tracking devices it's these sex offenders! Why doesn't this creep have an ankle braclet at the very least or an implantable chip to have real time tracking??

Maybe instead of spending money on the next fancy camera phone we should develop the technology we need to keep track of these walking piles of filth? !

I was disgusted before, then after I read about this guy, now I'm mad.


Oh yes. Chip the SOs....and track them forever. Great idea....wonder why it hasn't happened yet.

[emdragon]

That clears up a lot. It clears up where they lived before (since August) and it does clear up that they've lived in that trailer since November---which if it's the first of Nov. then three and a half months. So the three weeks is out and the three months is in and I can understand why he would say six months to Greta. JMO

I agree it makes sense now and I'm glad I found that new article it shed a lot of light and cleared up some errors in reporting.

[3Monkeys]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131483&provider=top



The owner of the home lives next door and Ron lived next door to her prior to moving into the current home.

So it sounds like he has been in that area for awhile.

So according to this report, they've lived in this actual house from anywhere between 10 to 14 weeks (depending when in November they moved).... 5 months, 6 months, 3 weeks, 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 months..... ????? I'm so confused.

Why does every (should be simple) detail in this case seem like a moving target???

[Kelly3820]

I wonder what LE think where this case is going?

[Zeus]

REALLY? I thought it was kind of rambling.

But this guy was released in November and goes missing in less than 3 months? He's familiar with the exact area Haleigh is missing from and she goes missing within a week from when he's last seen?

Nah. He was scoping it out. He needed time to set the scene.

If anything the laws need to be changed.

It's not our children that need to wear GPS tracking devices it's these sex offenders! Why doesn't this creep have an ankle braclet at the very least or an implantable chip to have real time tracking??

Maybe instead of spending money on the next fancy camera phone we should develop the technology we need to keep track of these walking piles of filth? !

I was disgusted before, then after I read about this guy, now I'm mad.

Maybe there's some funding for ankle bracelets in the stimulus package. I don't think anyone knows for sure since no one has actually read it all.

PS--Nah---they wouldn't spend money on things like that. :rolleyes:

[emdragon]

So according to this report, they've lived in this actual house from anywhere between 10 to 14 weeks (depending when in November they moved).... 5 months, 6 months, 3 weeks, 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 months..... ????? I'm so confused.

Why does every (should be simple) detail in this case seem like a moving target???

I would never say I've lived somewhere 3 months 3 week I would round it up to 6 months- and I believe he said "around 6 months" his daughter is missing do you really think he has the presence of mind to go back and count exactly how long he has lived there?

He has lived in the AREA 6+ months.

[Mayasmimi]

snipped for space

I think this guy Reynolds seems a likely possibility. The time he went missing just before she was taken, his close proximity to the new residence of Cummings. That's a lot of coincidences. I think the law will find him and I hope it's soon. With this over his head I would think he'd be anxious to clear himself if he's not the culprit.

I'm tired, so may be missing something. I just don't think a random SO drove 2 hours to abduct this little girl. With TE moving out, and FBI moving in?

[Mamie]

Thanks for that Mamie. This seems like such a mystery. Maybe not to LE, but certainly to me at this time. I have no idea what happened to that poor little girl.

The only thing is Ron told that 6 month and about 6 months to both Greta and Nancy Grace. I don't believe he misheard on both those occasions. Then there's the news stories saying 5 months most of them.

It could be someone who lived there before or someone who knew someone who lived there before. If the landlord didn't change the locks it seems to me a lot of people could've gained access to a key. It's not hard to snag a key, have duplicates made and return the key to the rightful owner with them knowing. I've heard of that happening.

I can see why police aren't ruling anyone out. ETA: I read they've talked to the neighborhood residents. It's in one of the links at the links thread.

It certainly is a mystery. But emdragon's post cleared some things up about the timeline. I can now see why he said six months to Greta----because it's been since August with two different houses with the same landlord who lives next door. So he heard right and answered right in his mind. It wasn't important to him to mention that it'd been two different houses----I can understand that since the important thing was finding his daughter. I mean he couldn't understand why the dispatcher needed her date of birth (of course he was totally frustrated in that call too) but still thought she was asking dumb questions. JMO

[Mayasmimi]

Maybe there's some funding for ankle bracelets in the stimulus package. I don't think anyone knows for sure since no one has actually read it all.

PS--Nah---they wouldn't spend money on things like that. :rolleyes:

You said it. Totally agree.:patriot:

[Mamie]

I agree it makes sense now and I'm glad I found that new article it shed a lot of light and cleared up some errors in reporting.

Thank you for posting that, emdragon, and straightening this out for us.

Well, I've had too much time off this weekend (not really) and need to polish nails before I call it a night and get ready for the workweek.

See you all another night!

[Mayasmimi]

It certainly is a mystery. But emdragon's post cleared some things up about the timeline. I can now see why he said six months to Greta----because it's been since August with two different houses with the same landlord who lives next door. So he heard right and answered right in his mind. It wasn't important to him to mention that it'd been two different houses----I can understand that since the important thing was finding his daughter. I mean he couldn't understand why the dispatcher needed her date of birth (of course he was totally frustrated in that call too) but still thought she was asking dumb questions. JMO


I'm still wondering about how long he lived in the home Haleigh was "taken" from. I get that he lived in the area. I don't know. Betcha LE, TE and FBI know exactly what happened. Proving it? Why is the FBI involved?

[3Monkeys]

I would never say I've lived somewhere 3 months 3 week I would round it up to 6 months- and I believe he said "around 6 months" his daughter is missing do you really think he has the presence of mind to go back and count exactly how long he has lived there?

He has lived in the AREA 6+ months.

Sure - but if I couldn't find my daughter, I might take the extra 20-30 seconds to answer accurately. But yeah, who knows what my mind would be like 'in the moment'.

Sorry - I'm just so frustrated at the amount of mis-information on this case. I know, I know, it's early in the investigation and in the scheme of things, how long they've lived in the house/neighborhood isn't the highest priority.... information will change and ultimately we may have all the correct information.

I guess my frustration comes from the fact that if the public who were searching for Haleigh knew the correct facts, one small thing might make the difference....

[emdragon]

Thank you for posting that, emdragon, and straightening this out for us.

Well, I've had too much time off this weekend (not really) and need to polish nails before I call it a night and get ready for the workweek.

See you all another night!

Your very welcome, I was confused by the 3 weeks since it just popped.

[Themis]

So according to this report, they've lived in this actual house from anywhere between 10 to 14 weeks (depending when in November they moved).... 5 months, 6 months, 3 weeks, 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 months..... ????? I'm so confused.

Why does every (should be simple) detail in this case seem like a moving target???

Let me see if I get this correct:

Ron tells his landlord, Phyllis, he needed a bedroom for each of his children. That's why he, Missy, Haleigh, and Ronald, Jr. move in November to the larger place.

But when Haleigh is abducted 2 beds are crunched in the MBR which now is sleeping Missy plus the 2 kids.

Reminds me of 'that side door is always locked; we don't use it.'

[emdragon]

Sure - but if I couldn't find my daughter, I might take the extra 20-30 seconds to answer accurately. But yeah, who knows what my mind would be like 'in the moment'.

Sorry - I'm just so frustrated at the amount of mis-information on this case. I know, I know, it's early in the investigation and in the scheme of things, how long they've lived in the house/neighborhood isn't the highest priority.... information will change and ultimately we may have all the correct information.

I guess my frustration comes from the fact that if the public who were searching for Haleigh knew the correct facts, one small thing might make the difference....

I don't see how it matters to the public in their search for Haleigh how long the family lived in the house or even where she was asleep. Those are issues for the investigation not the search.

[emdragon]

Let me see if I get this correct:

Ron tells his landlord, Phyllis, he needed a bedroom for each of his children. That's why he, Missy, Haleigh, and Ronald, Jr. move in November to the larger place.

But when Haleigh is abducted 2 beds are crunched in the MBR which now is sleeping Missy plus the 2 kids.

Reminds me of 'that side door is always locked; we don't use it.'

It is possible that if reports of protective services having contact with the family are true it may be that Mom or Grandma put in a call about the sleeping arraignments after Misti moved in- I know there is a certain age where officials want different sex children in separate rooms- I thought it was older than 5 but who knows.

Then they may still be unpacking and getting the kids use to their own rooms. I don't think it really matters.

[Mayasmimi]

I don't see how it matters to the public in their search for Haleigh how long the family lived in the house or even where she was asleep. Those are issues for the investigation not the search.

IMO.....I think the different stories about the living quarters are in question.

Agree that where Haleigh lived matters not, in a perfect world. This is not a perfect world. Geesh....I wish.

Where is Haleigh?

[emdragon]

I have purposely stayed away from this particular topic but because I am avoiding going to bed I'm adding in my two cents here...

I also live in a rural area and have moved now twice in the last year after living in one spot for over 12 years. I now live about 1/2 mile from where I used to live. When I am asked how long I have lived here I do not go into detail and say "Well we lived on south booulevard until 6 months ago and now we live on zenith 400000th street". I simply answer how many total years I have lived here.

I'm thinking here that if this Ron was asked how long he had lived there and wasn't asked SPECIFICALLY how long have you lived at that particular street address? He may easily have answered by a total number rather than in the stress of the moment stopping to consider well let's see we lived two doors down for a few months then moved here. I'm sure to him it was all lumped together into six months.

That is how I was seeing it as well.

[emdragon]

IMO.....I think the different stories about the living quarters are in question.

Agree that where Haleigh lived matters not, in a perfect world. This is not a perfect world. Geesh....I wish.

Where is Haleigh?

It matters for the case I just don't think it matters for the search.

[Zeus]

Let me see if I get this correct:

Ron tells his landlord, Phyllis, he needed a bedroom for each of his children. That's why he, Missy, Haleigh, and Ronald, Jr. move in November to the larger place.

But when Haleigh is abducted 2 beds are crunched in the MBR which now is sleeping Missy plus the 2 kids.

Reminds me of 'that side door is always locked; we don't use it.'

Maybe on the nights that Ron was at home, they all slept in their own rooms.

Her name is Misty not Missy.

[Mayasmimi]

It is possible that if reports of protective services having contact with the family are true it may be that Mom or Grandma put in a call about the sleeping arraignments after Misti moved in- I know there is a certain age where officials want different sex children in separate rooms- I thought it was older than 5 but who knows.

Then they may still be unpacking and getting the kids use to their own rooms. I don't think it really matters.

Bio Mom and Grandmother did seem a tad angry. Who the heck wouldn't be? I have seen bio Mom's Myspace. IMO....none of these people are equipped to raise children. So sad.

[3Monkeys]

I don't see how it matters to the public in their search for Haleigh how long the family lived in the house or even where she was asleep. Those are issues for the investigation not the search.

I agree - and I think I said pretty much the same in my post.

It's not necessarily this one item alone that is making me so frustrated, and as we agree, it probably doesn't make much of a difference.... it's just an accumulation of many different questions that should have straight-forward answers, but after a week, we don't have them, or they are just emerging. This is just ANOTHER piece of information for which the answer should be easy-peasy.

What if one of those inaccuracies made a difference in finding Haleigh? Perhaps not to the searchers, but to someone who if the correct information was known, might have an 'ah-ha' moment....

By the way - thank you for posting that link, it was VERY helpful in sorting out when the moved to the two bedroom, and then to the three bedroom home.

I'm now going to take my cranky self to bed.

Good-night all! :seeya:

[VC2]

I'm thinking the police have targeted one or a few suspects and that searching is no longer required. What makes me sad is that there has been no announcement that Haleigh is coming home. imo

doesnt matter if they have targeted 1 or more ppl. Unless they have proof she is alive, if tes is willing to continue there is no reason to stop the searches. At the least a body could hold clues.

I dont get this LE asking tes to go away

[Mayasmimi]

It matters for the case I just don't think it matters for the search.

Yes. Sadly.......the search?

[Susie419]

The kids may have simply been afraid to sleep in their new bedrooms alone.
Sometimes it takes a while to feel there are no "monsters in the closet"..


I'm sick to death of hearing of these innocent children disappearing. WHY are there so many child molesters OUT OF JAIL????????
What is wrong with our government , that fails to protect our little ones from these monsters??
In 1955, an attempt was made to lure ME into a brown two tone chevy by a man who opened the passenger door to me as I was playing hopscotch on the sidewalk in front of my house, he offered to take me to the corner store to buy me candy. I was 5 years old, I ran as fast as I could and told momma, can't remember what she did about it.
In 1975, my two daughters were riding bikes with a little girl Stephanie. She was 5. Within ten minutes of their arrival home, their momma called me to see if Steffie was with my girls. She disappeared. It was June. FBI swarmed our neighborhood, interviewed my two daughters. Steffie was found in December by a hunter. She had been tied to a tree, naked, and left to die , poor child was still alive and left to be eaten by critters , bugs, and exposure to the elements, I can't imagine the terror of that little girl alone in the brush, in the dark.:angry:
Terror shook our neighborhood, and I never turned my back from my girls again. I became an obsessed , overprotective paranoid mother, so afraid this monster knew my girls, realizing how easily the perp could have grabbed one of mine. Life was never the same again, and the police NEVER found the killer of Stephanie.
Now, this happens every day. These monsters do a few years, and are turned back into society, even when the courts KNOW that these offenders always re-offend. Our children are in danger. Fear is in our hearts, and I don't know what we as parents can do to stop this madness, and keep these cruel monsters behind lock and key, or castrate them, tattoo their foreheads with the words in RED..I am a child molester!!! The he11 with their rights to privacy and a normal life, why should they get it, when their victim will never be normal again, IF left alive??:cursing:
Sorry, needed to vent, I'll go now. :crying:

[Mayasmimi]

Maybe is one thing this case does not lack.


For sure. Maybe.......who knows?

[emdragon]

:beer:


(psssst...you avoiding bed too?)

Yeah I actually have jury duty tomorrow.

Not sure I can go a whole day away from this case.

[Zeus]

I think that the forensics from the home, that was first discovered, is back. And I think that is why they have scaled back the search, and of course, ended right back where they should be, at her home. I believe that LE knows the deal already, and most likely they believe that foul play was invovled and she is dead. And, I believe that her "father" has everything to do with the answers, as much as I do in the Anthony case.

I see too many alarms, and too many went off for me. The violent person, was this childs father. And, LE is right back at her home, Tonight.

That about say's it all for me. Then again I tend to go with my gut and what people say through their lies in person and on tape in interviews or media pressers.

Yes I am good to go that her father is the violent person, in this case.
I think she is dead. Like he said, his baby is "still out there"

Now how would he know that.....He wants LE to continue looking because he knows she is "out there"

Not with someone, not in another state, but "out there" where searches should find her......
Sound familiar?

Kat

He willingly took a lie detector test. I don't think analyzing his word choices in this case is going to be very telling.

[Mayasmimi]

Susie...........I agree. Reading your post, I get all political in my head. Hang on, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

[Zeus]

I dont think this case has anything to do with a child molester. I really don't.

Same with Madeleine McCanns case, the parents would sure love for you to believe exactly that though.

Let's wait and see what DNA comes back, from whatever they first found at the home, the fact that she is now listed as endandered, not missing, and they are back at the home, tells you several things as an investigator.

Remember, there was no sign of a forced entry at all in this case. NO SIGN.

:rose:

So what? The locks may not have been changed. The door may have been unlocked.

[Mayasmimi]

I dont think this case has anything to do with a child molester. I really don't.

Same with Madeleine McCanns case, the parents would sure love for you to believe exactly that though.

Let's wait and see what DNA comes back, from whatever they first found at the home, the fact that she is now listed as endandered, not missing, and they are back at the home, tells you several things as an investigator.

Remember, there was no sign of a forced entry at all in this case. NO SIGN.

:rose:

Forced entry? Depends on the news outlet, and Ron's memory. Yes, no, yes, no.

[emdragon]

Dad was at work Monday that was confirmed and Haleigh was alive when he left for work.

If she wasn't LE would know that already since Misti told them her brother and the kids were there that evening.

Nope one thing I am sure of in this case is Ron did nothing.

(still not getting where all this "he's so violent" stuff is coming from except what his EX said in a custody hearing.

[emdragon]

(slams gavel down) "You, get in bed missy"!!

Kat

LOL but it is only 10 pm here.....

[Zeus]

Dad was at work Monday that was confirmed and Haleigh was alive when he left for work.

If she wasn't LE would know that already since Misti told them her brother and the kids were there that evening.

Nope one thing I am sure of in this case is Ron did nothing.

(still not getting where all this "he's so violent" stuff is coming from except what his EX said in a custody hearing.

I'm convinced too that Ron had nothing to do with this. No way.

[Themis]

Maybe on the nights that Ron was at home, they all slept in their own rooms.

Her name is Misty not Missy.

Of course her name is Misty! I know that! What a bad typo -- caused, I hope, by my niece being called Missy even though her real name is Maureen. Sorry about that.

[Mayasmimi]

I'm convinced too that Ron had nothing to do with this. No way.

I have to agree. I hope not.

[emdragon]

You didnt see his rap sheet??

(scratches head) His rap sheet was reported on air this weekend.
He has a "history of violence". One thing I'm sure of; is that I don't believe their timeline, or story one little bit. Not one bit.

Let's see which story shall we go with, their first or second, or now third? Big problem here.
Kat

He has one misdemeanor assault. And that could have been a verbal threat for all we know.

[Zeus]

LE has it down. They are back at his house tonight, after all. Not his "cousins" or anyone elses, for that matter.

His words? His words, will be the least of his worries. His past acts of violence, will be and are enough for me. His violent tendencies even came out on the 911 call tape. That is how much he does not have his temper, under control.

I believe this is a case of child abuse, familial. I've seen nothing yet that points otherwise. His body language, not his words, is very telling.
Same with his "girlfriends" although, she may just be doing what he has told her to do and say. I dont believe their timeline. It does not add up anymore than their body language does.

(walks away smoking, all is cool; no problems here)

Imagine losing his temper when he got home and found out his daughter was missing. Shame on him!! Imagine saying if he found who took her, he would kill them. Shame shame shame.

You're smoking? SHAME SHAME WE KNOW YOU'RE NAME

[Zeus]

You didnt see his rap sheet??

(scratches head) His rap sheet was reported on air this weekend.
He has a "history of violence". One thing I'm sure of; is that I don't believe their timeline, or story one little bit. Not one bit.

Let's see which story shall we go with, their first or second, or now third? Big problem here.
Kat

I saw his rap sheet. There are about 15 things listed---looks TERRIBLE. Until you read it and see the first 11 things are all on the same day---12-12-02. He was about 18yrs old at that time. Before the children were born.

[emdragon]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html#-

Did most of you hear that her father actually said she is still out there?

I'm going to have to go back to square one and say, yeah his words probably will hang him as well.

Door wide open my arse. Sorry, but I dont believe him or Misty and found them both to be covering something up and avioding eye contact like mad. Some are pretty sure the bio mother has something to do with this, I'm not on that fence at all. Her homelife, looks miserable and I want to know what it was they removed from the trailer that first day they searched, and if some dna or results are back. Results that would have lead LE to conclude she is dead, died in the home, made them relist her as endandered and back at said home tonight. Yes, that's good enough for me, that LE is looking in all the right places, lie detector tests are of no use in any case. No use. Very archaic "test" more like a lobotomy. I dont care that they Offered to take a LT, we dont know the results yet. We only know that THEY have said they passed them. Apparently, subjects are not told on the spot they passed according to investigators.
After podcasting several shows from sunday and today, I'm still good to go, with the Father did it and there is no missing child. And, I will gladly eat crow! Gladly.
We will see.

Kat

Crystal said Haleigh was still out there too..

How do you explain Haleigh being alive when he went to work? LE confirmed he was at work and when he left.

And how do you explain the road blocks if they know she is dead?

Sgt. Wells said the roadblock, which will be up until 2 a.m., is part of CART protocol, which is the Child Abduction Response Team.

[Mayasmimi]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18722504/detail.html#-

Did most of you hear that her father actually said she is still out there?

I'm going to have to go back to square one and say, yeah his words probably will hang him as well.

Door wide open my arse. Sorry, but I dont believe him or Misty and found them both to be covering something up and avioding eye contact like mad. Some are pretty sure the bio mother has something to do with this, I'm not on that fence at all. Her homelife, looks miserable and I want to know what it was they removed from the trailer that first day they searched, and if some dna or results are back. Results that would have lead LE to conclude she is dead, died in the home, made them relist her as endandered and back at said home tonight. Yes, that's good enough for me, that LE is looking in all the right places, lie detector tests are of no use in any case. No use. Very archaic "test" more like a lobotomy. I dont care that they Offered to take a LT, we dont know the results yet. We only know that THEY have said they passed them. Apparently, subjects are not told on the spot they passed according to investigators.
After podcasting several shows from sunday and today, I'm still good to go, with the Father did it and there is no missing child. And, I will gladly eat crow! Gladly.
We will see.

Kat


Agree with most of your post....I'm stil not sold on Dad did it.

With regard to the test? I've taken two, and was never told I passed or failed. Subsequently.....guess I passed. Whatever that means.

I have no idea what happened to this sweet baby. I hate to think Dad had anything to do with it. HE seems to have been, IMO, the only person who truly cared about her. THEN he moved in his teenaged "sitter"/girlfriend. Lost.

Yeah.....sad.

[Zeus]

This is a discussion about a murder investigation; most likely and this has nothing in common with the Lundsford case. *snip*

This is not a discussion about a murder investigation. It has many similarities to the Lunsford case. JMO

[Themis]

I'm sick to death of hearing of these innocent children disappearing. WHY are there so many child molesters OUT OF JAIL????????
What is wrong with our government , that fails to protect our little ones from these monsters??
In 1955, an attempt was made to lure ME into a brown two tone chevy by a man who opened the passenger door to me as I was playing hopscotch on the sidewalk in front of my house, he offered to take me to the corner store to buy me candy. I was 5 years old, I ran as fast as I could and told momma, can't remember what she did about it.
In 1975, my two daughters were riding bikes with a little girl Stephanie. She was 5. Within ten minutes of their arrival home, their momma called me to see if Steffie was with my girls. She disappeared. It was June. FBI swarmed our neighborhood, interviewed my two daughters. Steffie was found in December by a hunter. She had been tied to a tree, naked, and left to die , poor child was still alive and left to be eaten by critters , bugs, and exposure to the elements, I can't imagine the terror of that little girl alone in the brush, in the dark.:angry:
Terror shook our neighborhood, and I never turned my back from my girls again. I became an obsessed , overprotective paranoid mother, so afraid this monster knew my girls, realizing how easily the perp could have grabbed one of mine. Life was never the same again, and the police NEVER found the killer of Stephanie.
Now, this happens every day. These monsters do a few years, and are turned back into society, even when the courts KNOW that these offenders always re-offend. Our children are in danger. Fear is in our hearts, and I don't know what we as parents can do to stop this madness, and keep these cruel monsters behind lock and key, or castrate them, tattoo their foreheads with the words in RED..I am a child molester!!! The he11 with their rights to privacy and a normal life, why should they get it, when their victim will never be normal again, IF left alive??:cursing:
Sorry, needed to vent, I'll go now.

Susie, your words are so powerful and hit me like a bowling ball in my chest.

Does it help 1 tear drop worth to let you know that 2 years ago I served on a jury when a registered child molester was up on his third (3rd) felony offense for child molestion and our jury found him guilty?

The sentence was life without parole...without parole...he can never again hurt a child. There are those who criticize the 3 Strike Law but in this case it was critical.

[Zeus]

Hey Em, I'm having trouble with the timeline, after he picked her up from daycare that day. From an investigative POV, I have no proof she was or even made it to "bed" that night. No proof at all.

I picked up on something though with Misty that possibly she was saying what he told her to say. We will say the door was propped open, we will say, someone took her we will say X Y Z.

I think touch DNA on that cinder block, may be back. I'm not good to go with this timeline of her in bed, at all.
Kat

She was playing with Misty's brother's children after Ron left for work. Is that enough proof?

[emdragon]

Hey Em, I'm having trouble with the timeline, after he picked her up from daycare that day. From an investigative POV, I have no proof she was or even made it to "bed" that night. No proof at all.

I picked up on something though with Misty that possibly she was saying what he told her to say. We will say the door was propped open, we will say, someone took her we will say X Y Z.

I think touch DNA on that cinder block, may be back. I'm not good to go with this timeline of her in bed, at all.
Kat

As I pointed out earlier- Dad's alibi checked out- he picked her up from SCHOOL. Misti's brother and his kids were at the house after Ron left for work and Haleigh was alive- you can put money on that it would have been one of the first things LE checked out.

So for his alibi to check out E knows when he got to work and when he left.

[CanCan]

Crystal said Haleigh was still out there too..

How do you explain Haleigh being alive when he went to work? LE confirmed he was at work and when he left.

And how do you explain the road blocks if they know she is dead?

Is Misty our only source as to Haleigh being alive when Ron left for work?

The road blocks aren't to search for Haleigh - they're to question motorists regarding what they saw/heard a week ago.

jmo

[emdragon]

Is Misty our only source as to Haleigh being alive when Ron left for work?

The road blocks aren't to search for Haleigh - they're to question motorists regarding what they saw/heard a week ago.

jmo

There is also Misti's brother and his kids-

The road blocks are part of the Child Abduction Response Team- if they truly had decided Dad was involved like KT thinks there was no Abduction.

[Zeus]

Is Misty our only source as to Haleigh being alive when Ron left for work?

The road blocks aren't to search for Haleigh - they're to question motorists regarding what they saw/heard a week ago.

jmo

They were out playing in the yard. The neighbors probably saw them (or heard them lol)

[Susie419]

He willingly took a lie detector test. I don't think analyzing his word choices in this case is going to be very telling.

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Polygraphs CAN be beaten. I was married to a crooked cop. They polygraphed him many times, he always passed.
I've taken poly's, being in retail for many years, back when they'd cart the whole store crew over for polys. I KNOW of girls who passed em, and KNEW they were guilty, and furthermore, have myself been decietful on a poly, as well as voice stress indicator tests.
I passed. There are people who can pass them, even when guilty.
(I didn't steal, or anything like that, :tonguewag:but saw others do it and when asked about it, said NO, never saw or knew of it)it was wayyy back in the 80's, perhaps the technology has gotten more sophisticated, but polygraph tests are beaten every day.

[CanCan]

This is a discussion about a murder investigation; most likely and this has nothing in common with the Lundsford case. People want it to have something in common with a child predator, there is no evidence of that yet. The evidence LE does have, led them straight back to her home, tonight.

If you don't want to discuss current cases, or cases of missing children, why are you on a message board that is pretty devoted to said cases in the news ( wild )

I dont believe there is any "child molester" in this case, LE has never said that any SO is a prime suspect. They are at the childs H O M E
She is now listed as ENDANGERED not missing. Do you understand the case details?

I believe that she is dead, it's familial violence and her father has everything to do with it. Misty, did NOT call 911 at all as one would in an emergency situaiton, instead she waited 1/2 hour. Long enough to get a story straight, if that child even was alseep in the home that night.

You cannot follow a case, just by watching Nancy Grace or Headline news. That's a fact.

The dad stinks to high heaven..............I thought so the first time I heard that Oscar-nominated 911 call............and his body language ever since has only solidified my opinion. :cool:

jmo

[Santa'sMom]

Yes! And ANYONE can make that charge against nearly anyone else these days. The courts are so worried about protecting the rights of the victims that the system is often abused.

(I'll write a book someday and it will be made into a "Lifetime for Women" movie and you will see what I mean).

Justamama, If you don't get started on that book you may find yourself noticing one day that time flew by and you never got it written. Sit yourself down, I say, and get typing!!! You can do it!!!!!!!!!!

[emdragon]

She was in the bed with me, she was in the same room her own bed, no she was in bed with me...

I woke up and went to the bathroom, I woke up because she had to go to the bathroom...

Yes Misty's story has changed now several times. Having LE back at homebase has got to be un nerving.

Maybe tomorrow morning there will be more "sun" shining on the documents in this case thanks to the laws of FL state. I believe this case is somewhat of a copy cat crime, like Shannon Mathews case was.

I dont think this is going to have a good ending at all. Unless of course, this family has cried wolf for fame fortune and missing child buttons.

Yes, they sure had them awfully quickly didnt they? It's becoming a fad. Next thing they will be wearing Shamrocks. Ugh.

Before I examined any videos of their statments I know that i was hoping that this was a copy cat case and they had her somewhere.
And then would "produce" her. THe lesser of two evils, murder or just false report, thanks to cases like MM and KC Anthonys. I know so many people would rather believe that. I know I would! But in my heart, I do not. Like her father said, Shes out there, and he wants those searches, back out there.

Why? Because, he knows she is out there. He said so himself. Several times, first in the wooded area, now just "out there"
Nothing has ever changed for me in either case MM or this one. I've got a huge problem, with this father and his "girlfriend" and nothing has happened yet to show me otherwise. In fact I watch how much they are pointing the finger, at a "child molester" or SO. It's a red flag to me.

What kind of person, would insist a child molester, took their child?
Think about it.

Kat

The local funeral home donated the Tent for The dad's first vigil as well as the buttons.

[CanCan]

She was playing with Misty's brother's children after Ron left for work. Is that enough proof?

Says who??

[Pag Boi]

I'm still wondering about how long he lived in the home Haleigh was "taken" from. I get that he lived in the area. I don't know. Betcha LE, TE and FBI know exactly what happened. Proving it? Why is the FBI involved?



What are you implying? TIA

IIRC. LE said they called FBI asap to assist them. If FBI was not involved, I can only imagine what would be said abt the sheriff's dept. JMOO

[emdragon]

Says who??

You don't think Misti's story about her brother hasn't been checked out?


KT-The only info about Haleigh missing school is from Crystal and her mother there has been no confirmation of the accusations- but there is proof that Crystal could be bothered to take Haleigh for her treatments.

[Santa'sMom]

Does anyone know where in Putnam County Chad Reynolds' crime occurred? How come no one has posted his arrest record? So many people are jumping in and saying they think he's the guilty person but nobody seems to be interested enough to do any background searches. Someone on Scared Monkeys stated that his grandparents live in Crescent City but none of the news media has said anything like that. If they do live there, then I could possibly see Chad and Ron knowing one another. Otherwise, I see Chad as most likely being a victim of some sort of stupidity or another and completely unrelated to Haleigh's disappearance. My feeling from the beginning has been that there is something not quite right with Ron's behavior but I have witnessed similar behavior from men who were not guilty of anything so it may just be because he may tend to be a bit MeMe oriented. I just wish they would find that little girl (and Adji and Dominick and Jaliek and...) and bring her (and them) home safe and sound. Darn it, why can't it happen like on tv? Sixty minutes, minus commercials, and you have the child found, the perpetrator in custody, and the crime solved, once and for all.

[lune3]

I don't believe the dad had anything to do with her disappearance.
I think someone who has been in that trailer before took her. As for Misty, I don't know if she was asleep or out of the trailer during that period. I don't know if the door (front or back) was locked or unlocked or picked or someone had a key. I don't know if someone came through a window or through the flipping roof.

But I feel strongly the dad didn't kill her. I think his behaviour and ranting and cursing was spontaneous and a result of rage, panic and shock.

As for "out there", Haleigh IS out there. She's somewhere, still alive or dead but somewhere out there because she isn't in there at home.

[Themis]

:loveeyes:May I add you to my LEGIONS of fans??? I keep getting prodded by the masses to continue on with this quest!
Count me in! Go for it :biggrin:


P.S. I appreciate your kind words over my typo.

[Susie419]

appreciate the inputs and replies to my posts.
The justice system is broken.
How sad that these children live in fear of the dark, scared to go to bed at night, I had iron bars with inside deadbolts installed on my windows and doors of my home for fear of being broken into and my children being abducted.
These victims families will never be the same, the impact is so far reaching to all family members, as well as children who listen to these talking heads that the parents are watching at night.
As for the "three strikes law" I believe it's too lenient. One strike is enough when a sexual act against a child is committed.
Personally, I'd like to string em up.:cursing:
My ex was the epitome of Drew Peterson, womanizer, narcissist to a tee. I'm only glad he wasn't mad enough to kill me, :tongue: When I kicked him out, he moved in with a replacement the same evening.:laugh: and he swore his undying love for me, yeah, right!
As for the father of little Haleigh, the jury's still out in my mind on that one, although I know he can fake every emotion that he has displayed, if he did it, they'll figure him out...I'm sure of that.

[lune3]

Didn't Chad Reynold's molestation crime occur in 2002? I vaguely remember reading that.

[Magnum357]

I don't believe the dad had anything to do with her disappearance.
I think someone who has been in that trailer before took her. As for Misty, I don't know if she was asleep or out of the trailer during that period. I don't know if the door (front or back) was locked or unlocked or picked or someone had a key. I don't know if someone came through a window or through the flipping roof.

But I feel strongly the dad didn't kill her. I think his behaviour and ranting and cursing was spontaneous and a result of rage, panic and shock.

As for "out there", Haleigh IS out there. She's somewhere, still alive or dead but somewhere out there because she isn't in there at home.

Pretty basic concept.

If she's not here, she's there. Why some want to rip Ron apart for making a basic statement is beyond me.

[Zeus]

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Polygraphs CAN be beaten. I was married to a crooked cop. They polygraphed him many times, he always passed.
I've taken poly's, being in retail for many years, back when they'd cart the whole store crew over for polys. I KNOW of girls who passed em, and KNEW they were guilty, and furthermore, have myself been decietful on a poly, as well as voice stress indicator tests.
I passed. There are people who can pass them, even when guilty.
(I didn't steal, or anything like that, :tonguewag:but saw others do it and when asked about it, said NO, never saw or knew of it)it was wayyy back in the 80's, perhaps the technology has gotten more sophisticated, but polygraph tests are beaten every day.

My point was he willingly took the test unlike some other people in other cases. That makes it appear to me that he had nothing to hide and wants to be cleared so the investigation moves on.

[Pag Boi]

Maya me too; I hate to think that also but most here around me do think exactly that. The public, message boards, and her father and Misty exclusively are the ones saying that someone has taken her, and pointing out a molester. Yes his MO was the same with breaking into a trailer and that is interesting but he went missing the weekend of superbowl. Before this happened. A good few weeks before.

I agree, Lost. this child was lost alright. Right where most are lost, in their own homes. I have to go on the tools I use in life and they are usually dead on. Until I see proof otherwise, I have to go with what I observe and what I "see" in a case. And like you, yes Maya its really gut wrenching to observe things like this in people.

Kat
:rose:

bold above by me. I disagree. I see NG & other cable news shows aka the media that say "abducted from her bedroom" or words to that effect.

RSO missing a good few weeks before you say? huh? Superbowl was a sunday, 2/1, and Haleigh went missing the next tuesday 3am.

A pervert hiding for a week? How odd :confused:
JMOO

[Susie419]

Had anyone noticed Haleigh's face?:confused: Her eye on the right side seems slightly sunken in and smaller. In one of her photos, it's very obvious.
I'm not sure of her medical condition, and that this could be a result of it, but when I saw her pic, I had a gut feeling that she had perhaps been slapped too hard, or injured somehow in the past, or it was a birth defect, although she is such a beautiful child, my intention of mentioning this is to ask if anyone else noticed this, and not to demean her beauty or criticize and be insensitive ?She IS such a precious child, nonetheless.:wub:

[Zeus]

bold above by me. I disagree. I see NG & other cable news shows aka the media that say "abducted from her bedroom" or words to that effect.

RSO missing a good few weeks before you say? huh? Superbowl was a sunday, 2/1, and Haleigh went missing the next tuesday 3am.

A pervert hiding for a week? How odd :confused:
JMOO

Thanks for pointing that out. Facts are such a wonderful thing.

[emdragon]

Thanks for pointing that out. Facts are such a wonderful thing.

Really facts what a concept.

[Zeus]

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Vince Bugliosi said lack of evidence is evidence. If the evidence is not there then what's being said happened - did not happen.

It crossed my mind too today when they stopped the search and were back at the house that they may have some of the lab results back. Dr. Perper told Nancy Grace they would be able to get dna or fingerprints off of the cement block if they existed and were retrievable. I think they've probably suspected the dad & g/f from the start. At least they've never said they ruled them out. Sheriff emphasized the story...was only what LE had been told...they didn't know for certain. Indicating they were not taking the stories at face value.

Dad was too melodramatic for my taste too. The way he immediately pointed a finger at a stranger/abductor/breakin without knowing. 2 min. of a quick look thru the house & he knew and started hollering, crying, bending over to cover his face. My first inclination was Yep, acadamy award performance imo too.

Sheriff said there's no evidence of any breakin whatsoever. That's a lot of evidence right there. If true, it tells me what dad's saying didn't happen. He said he never noticed anything like the cinderblock in his yard. Turned out there's a pile of them 50' from the house. He said they were never out back. Yet LE found an old footprint of the child where he said they never went.

It may be true that a stranger abducted the child. But we have yet to see one shred of evidence to show it.

....I'm waiting......

If they've only lived there 3 weeks and he works full time, it's quite possible he has never seen the cinder blocks. Maybe the children and Misty spent time in the back yard but Ron didn't because he was working.

[Zeus]

Really facts what a concept.

So special when we see them in this case. A rarity. Making things up to fit ones' theory? Easy to come by.

[lune3]

If they've only lived there 3 weeks and he works full time, it's quite possible he has never seen the cinder blocks. Maybe the children and Misty spent time in the back yard but Ron didn't because he was working.

Some people are just clueless about their surroundings, are just not observant, especially about things that are insignificant or not out of the ordinary. And IIRC he said he went out the back to vacuum his car on one occasion. Seems he just didn't spend time in the back to notice stuff.

[emdragon]

If they've only lived there 3 weeks and he works full time, it's quite possible he has never seen the cinder blocks. Maybe the children and Misty spent time in the back yard but Ron didn't because he was working.

They have lived in the house since Nov. and in the Area since Aug. per the owner of the trailer- the link is on the links page.

A reporter has said she stood in the yard and never saw the blocks you have to be looking for them.

[lune3]

It's her left if it's on the right when we're looking at her straight on. Yes I noticed it but I didn't think it was from child abuse. I don't know what the cause of it is. She is a beautiful child. Really cute. It's impossible to think of anyone harming her. I know you didn't mean anything negative toward her for noticing it. Nor do I. I'm the last to denigrate children for birth defects. All mine were. Raised them in pediatriac wards. Hence, Birth defect kids are my life.

Lest anyone read anything into my post that isn't there.

I would think if it was an injury inflicted due to child abuse she wouldn't be allowed in the company of the abuser. I would hope. My kids would get allergic reactions and have swollen eyes that looked similar so I didn't think too much of it. Murphy's law that something like that happens just before picture time.

IIRC a droop to one or both eyes can be one of the Turner's Syndrome facial manifestations. I remember it from the list of symptoms someone had posted a while back.

[juliekan]

They have lived in the house since Nov. and in the Area since Aug. per the owner of the trailer- the link is on the links page.

A reporter has said she stood in the yard and never saw the blocks you have to be looking for them.

I saw the video of the reporter, and she said there was no way you would see the cinderblocks unless you went looking for them.

[Zeus]

They have lived in the house since Nov. and in the Area since Aug. per the owner of the trailer- the link is on the links page.

A reporter has said she stood in the yard and never saw the blocks you have to be looking for them.

I'm so totally confused about how long they've lived in that trailer---I swear. But then so is Greta, Geraldo and Clint Van Zant and who knows who else. Thanks for giving the info as to WHO said they lived there since Nov.

[emdragon]

I saw the video of the reporter, and she said there was no way you would see the cinderblocks unless you went looking for them.

Thanks, nice to have that supported- I remember seeing just not where I saw it. (had to be someone on a HLN show I haven't watched anything else)

[Santa'sMom]

:loveeyes:May I add you to my LEGIONS of fans??? I keep getting prodded by the masses to continue on with this quest!

Can I be your number one fan???? Can I? Can I?? You can do it! and I want to be one of the first in line to purchase a copy!!!

[juliekan]

My point was he willingly took the test unlike some other people in other cases. That makes it appear to me that he had nothing to hide and wants to be cleared so the investigation moves on.

.....and no one has lawyered up. :shrug:

[juliekan]

Greta didn't ask him if they were visible from the house. She asked him if there was anything of that sort in his yard or did he know. He rambled in every direction imaginable. Whatever answer anyone could've been hoping for they could take their pick. He had a smorgasbord of answers to that one question.


I saw the video of the reporter, and she said there was no way you would see the cinderblocks unless you went looking for them. They were not close to the house and covered with foliage.

[lune3]

You don't suppose it's possible a dad (even this one) could lash out, lose his temper and harm a child without intending to?

I do think it's possible. If you don't think young men can have that anger issue expecially with impatience with young children I accept that you don't think that's ever possible. I think it's a possibility along with all the other possibilities regarding this little girl being missing. I'm positive LE/FBI believe it's a possibility whenever they attend one of these cases. It's more the norm than not according to Pat Brown (FBI). Statistics show more children die at the hands of their parents/caregivers than any other reason. According to FBI that's fact.

I'm positive LE isn't ruling that out especially with the lack of evidence they say is that crime scene. No evidence of anyone in that house who doesn't live there. The sheriff said that because it's true, I believe.

If I had to bet right now what happened to this child I'd have to flip a coin. I have no idea. But I'm positive dad/g/f aren't ruled out at this point in my mind or in LE's.

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Ofcourse it's possible Haleigh was harmed by the dad. I don't have a clue either here, but when would he have done that? She was at school that day (according to info many threads back), she played with Misty's brother's kids in the afternoon (did neighbours see them?), and Ron has an alibi through his work. If there conceivably was a window, how would he have disposed of her? She hasn't been found in the vicinity. There would be probably be evidence in his car if he took her somewhere.

I don't know. Does anyone know what time his shift started?

[Pag Boi]

Had anyone noticed Haleigh's face?:confused: Her eye on the right side seems slightly sunken in and smaller. In one of her photos, it's very obvious.
I'm not sure of her medical condition, and that this could be a result of it, but when I saw her pic, I had a gut feeling that she had perhaps been slapped too hard, or injured somehow in the past, or it was a birth defect, although she is such a beautiful child, my intention of mentioning this is to ask if anyone else noticed this, and not to demean her beauty or criticize and be insensitive ?She IS such a precious child, nonetheless.

Just wow.

I am sure you meant no harm but I can't see how you could associate her physical features with being slapped too hard. :confused:

Despite her dx of turner's syndrome, she seems to be a very happy, well adjusted child JMOO. Did you miss all the smiles and laughter in the pix? She seemed to me to be well cared for and happy despite the circumstances alleged by both parents. JMOO

Beautiful Haleigh :rose:

[Zeus]

Ok I had enough of your slamming the father tonight. Get it in your thick skull that the father was a WORK WHEN SHE WENT MISSING:cursing:

And she's the one saying this case is not similar at all to the Lunsford case?

[juliekan]

doesnt matter if they have targeted 1 or more ppl. Unless they have proof she is alive, if tes is willing to continue there is no reason to stop the searches. At the least a body could hold clues.

I dont get this LE asking tes to go away

LE did not ask them to leave. Tim Miller said they were going to another search for another lost child.

[Pag Boi]

If they've only lived there 3 weeks and he works full time, it's quite possible he has never seen the cinder blocks. Maybe the children and Misty spent time in the back yard but Ron didn't because he was working.

Imagine that. Could it be possible that Ron hadn't spent any time in the back yard? Could it be that Ron hadn't lived there long enough to use anything other than the front door? Could it be that Misty actually cared for the kids like she said? Like Haleigh told Crystal? :eek:

[emdragon]

I know. You're so right about all of that! He said he kissed and hugged her when she got off the school bus around 3:00p.m. (greta's show) and his shift went from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. He's superman. Hugging her off the school bus & clocking into work in one fel swoop.

Other reports are said to have him saying he picked her up at school. I'm sure LE has checked all that out. Others here have told me the school has verified she was in school that day. I don't know if neighbors saw her. g/f was the last to have seen her.

I had this horrible feeling that this case may go unsolved for some time.
Maybe someone hired the crime done. JAT

I think Gary Ridgeway was always at work too. Yet he murdered 50 women. clever guy. Been a long time since I read that book.

Ridgeway did his trolling at NIGHT. (and I didn't have to read the book I'm WA and lived it- read the official transcripts of his confessions)
Nothing at all related to this case. Good grief.

[emdragon]

Cummings plays Door #1, Door #2, Door #3 with Greta. Notice his 3 conflicting answers right off the bat. NO Door was NOT broken. But YES he KNOWS the tool used to break it! But WAIT -> he's NOT SURE!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure


Do we have any evidence of a stranger entering this home? No, we do not. - Pat Brown FBI profiler

that interview was done when? one or two days after the abduction? How much sleep do you suppose he had? And medication he could have been given?

This finding people guilty by TV interview is absurd. You have no idea what is happening in the back ground.

As for the blocks he said he had never seen them but that he could be wrong. Sounded like an honest answer to me.

[lune3]

Cummings plays Door #1, Door #2, Door #3 with Greta. Notice his 3 conflicting answers right off the bat. NO Door was NOT broken. But YES he KNOWS the tool used to break it! But WAIT -> he's NOT SURE!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I'm not sure. You'll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I'm not sure


Do we have any evidence of a stranger entering this home? No, we do not. - Pat Brown FBI profiler

He was in a state of turmoil, maybe he was just as confused about how somebody got into the place, maybe he mentioned the crowbar because it popped into his head at that moment as he pictured that it could be a possibility. When you are living a nightmare, you don't think straight. His mind was probably racing.

[emdragon]

CalifMermaid, The bio-Mother told Greta she didn't know why the child was sick or missed so much school.

And she is the only one to say Haleigh was missing school.

[livia786]

that interview was done when? one or two days after the abduction? How much sleep do you suppose he had? And medication he could have been given?

This finding people guilty by TV interview is absurd. You have no idea what is happening in the back ground.

As for the blocks he said he had never seen them but that he could be wrong. Sounded like an honest answer to me.

I have no intention of getting into this mess, but it seems a small group of posters are ready to hang the Father. Forget that there's no evidence. I've seen this happen too many times, and don't understand why, but when I see it's the same posters doing it again, and again, well............that says a lot. imo

I hope the little darling is found soon, and I'm going to continue to pray for her safe return. imo :rose:

I'll continue to listen to the news for additional information on this case. It appears there are no facts posted here. imo

[lune3]

And she is the only one to say Haleigh was missing school.

I find it odd that she would say that in the first place since wasn't it she who missed all the doc appointments for Haleigh? She could have been responsible for Haleigh getting sick if she'd lived with her, given her apathy about her daughter's treatment.

[emdragon]

Gary Ridgeway was a truck driver. I studied that case well. He murdered women on the job.

Actually he was not a truck driver- he worked a company Kenworth Truck Co. Where he Painted trucks.

The paint was one element that helped catch him.

http://www.karisable.com/greenrivergr.htm

He did take victims to his house and even killed with his son waiting in the pick up but It is beyond me why he would be brought up as an example for this case.

[lune3]

I don't want to hang the father, Misty or the mom. But something that keeps back into my mind on a regular basis is this. When Ron came home that night, he saw Misty was up. First thing, he wasn't answering his cell phone when she was calling him, but beyond that, he said he knew something was wrong when he saw the lights on and she was up, because she usually wasn't up when he got home from work. When she told him Haleigh was missing, he asked her if she called 911 and she said "no". Why then, did he have his 17 year old girlfriend call? Would not your gut instinct make you grab your own phone and immediately dial 911? I know it would be mine, I would not hesitate to call immediately.

The argument can be made that she knew more than he did about the time frame, but wouldn't he know more details such as her height, weight, d.o.b. and all other vitals? I just don't understand why he would want his young and inexperienced-in-life girlfriend to make that call, in my opinion.

I can understand your misgivings and they are very reasonable.
I can also see things from another side. Ron didn't answer his cell phone because maybe he was dead tired, thought it might be a spam call, didn't bother to look at the caller ID, had no inkling it might be an emergency call, or even something stupid like his phone was inaccessible while driving.
As for Misty making the call, could be he wanted her to call immediately while he searched around the house and outside first, was in the beginnings of a panic and didn't think straight, asked her to call thinking he'd get on the phone after he was SURE this nightmare wasn't real, ...

I think sometimes we project too much what WE would do and don't consider the context or individual reactions people have.

[Pag Boi]

I can understand your misgivings and they are very reasonable.
I can also see things from another side. Ron didn't answer his cell phone because maybe he was dead tired, thought it might be a spam call, didn't bother to look at the caller ID, had no inkling it might be an emergency call, or even something stupid like his phone was inaccessible while driving.
As for Misty making the call, could be he wanted her to call immediately while he searched around the house and outside first, was in the beginnings of a panic and didn't think straight, asked her to call thinking he'd get on the phone after he was SURE this nightmare wasn't real, ...

I think sometimes we project too much what WE would do and don't consider the context or individual reactions people have.


Or what WE THINK we would do in the same situation. JMOO

Ron's cell phone - some more options: he had the music cranked too loud to hear; phone accidentally switched to vibrate or silent; was pulling into driveway as phone rang so need to answer when he could walk inside.

Misty might have thought Ron came home and had Haleigh. Why wouldn't she check with him b/f assuming Haleigh was missing? Could be one or both are guilty of something? Just saying there are lots of options here.
JMOO

[rosieposett]

As I pointed out earlier- Dad's alibi checked out- he picked her up from SCHOOL. Misti's brother and his kids were at the house after Ron left for work and Haleigh was alive- you can put money on that it would have been one of the first things LE checked out.

So for his alibi to check out E knows when he got to work and when he left.

I'm not convinced that the Dad did it either, but just thinking out loud perhaps Haleigh was hit on the head in an act of violence or shook violently, but still could play with cousins and be active for an hour or so. Then later could have died as a result of a blood clot or something of that nature. just thinking out loud, not saying for certain. jmo

[Themis]

I'm not convinced that the Dad did it either, but just thinking out loud perhaps Haleigh was hit on the head in an act of violence or shook violently, but still could play with cousins and be active for an hour or so. Then later could have died as a result of a blood clot or something of that nature. just thinking out loud, not saying for certain. jmo
Are you suggesting it is possible her little cousins might have harmed her?

JMO