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KKKKKKatie

02-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Well it's been in news that Misty got up just before 3:00a.m. and the 911 call was logged at 3:27a.m.

Some people delight in disrupting the boards by questioning everything. It's true that any of these cases could be pure fantasy for all any of us know if we don't live there and speak with police firsthand.

Downright absurd for anyone to question the times that have been stated in the news for sake of discussion. Sheriff told Greta they don't know for sure but it is definitely what the occupants of the home have told LE.

bolding mine

and for right now that is all we have to go on so it is fair game for us to discuss IMO

I am not saying it is right or wrong....all I am saying is that we can discuss it and posters that want the discussion stopped are wrong.

I have no doubt that LE will correct us/media if what is in the PR is wrong.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Looks like all these were filed on same date in 2002. Is there any arrest after 2002 or after he become a father?????
I got to meet Ronald yesterday but am to sick to post right now. I hope to feel better tonight and will post.

Hope you get to feeling better......I hope he is holding up ok:sad:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 01:29 PM

Looks like all these were filed on same date in 2002. Is there any arrest after 2002 or after he become a father?????
I got to meet Ronald yesterday but am to sick to post right now. I hope to feel better tonight and will post.

Oh gosh......hope you feel better. Look forward to hearing more.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 01:29 PM

ITA some people have nothing better to do but rehash dumb questions when there is no new news:smile:....... when a child goes missing every single second is important it is also important to know exactly just how long it was from the time Haleigh was safely tucked into bed to the time it was discovered that she wasn't. It is also important how ling it took Misty to call Ron since she could be removing evidence. Yes, this will be discussed over and over again until we find out the truth.

Kelly3820

02-16-2009, 01:30 PM

I wonder if LE got a tip from someone like a trucker or someone traveling that night or early morning and saw something or someone in that field?

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 01:31 PM

I think it should be able to be discussed, IMO, without going nuts. This does describe the milieu in which the whole thing happened. Everything should be investigated. If it's not looked at and discussed, is it an investigation? I know it tends to go off the rails but it doesn't need to be a bash to be discussed.

And I'm sure LE is investigating his past, no doubt at all.

But some here tend to make judgments like (paraphrased) neither one of the parents should have the kids.....

Alas, we live in a world where our entire life is out there on the internet for people to view. :sad:

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:32 PM

Looks like all these were filed on same date in 2002. Is there any arrest after 2002 or after he become a father?????
I got to meet Ronald yesterday but am to sick to post right now. I hope to feel better tonight and will post.

Hope you feel better soon, HI. I want to hear about your meeting with Ron.

:smile:Take care.

Deb7

02-16-2009, 01:34 PM

So the guy had a drug problem back in 2002 this is before Haleigh was in the picture. I can even tell you how many times I got high and did MDMA at a rave when I was younger but that doesn't make me a bad person. None of these charges happened after Haleigh was born. It looks like Ron cleaned up his act.

Or not... http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930

Granted that isn't necessarily drug related (I really don't know one way or another) BUT it is another arrest and it was in 2006.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:34 PM

Maybe someone brought some back from Afghanistan? (war)

I tend to believe it would have been some pills, Lavenia. Of course, I'm wrong sometimes, very rarely mind you, but sometimes. lol

KittyMom

02-16-2009, 01:34 PM

Has anything been said about Misty's cousin, James Padgett, being found?

Deb7

02-16-2009, 01:35 PM

Looks like all these were filed on same date in 2002. Is there any arrest after 2002 or after he become a father?????
I got to meet Ronald yesterday but am to sick to post right now. I hope to feel better tonight and will post.

Yes there is, I just posted it to someone else, but since you asked, here ya go. http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930

Looks like July 2006.

KKKKKKatie

02-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Well of course. All we ever have is news in any case we discuss. But the naysayers who can't seem to find google for themselves love to disrupt the cordial discussions of the rest of us.

Exactly just because we talk about what's reported in news or said publically by the individuals involved doesn't mean we believe them or take it as carved in stone. There's nothing to discuss but made up fairytales otherwise. Ridiculous to say it's not fact. It most certainly is fact the timeline stated by the g/f and the time logged by 911 is facts of this case until further notice. We're all aware LE could say their logging was off kilter at any time. Who knows if any child is missing. It's possible the media makes up these cases for sake of keeping people watching so they can sell to their sponsors.

No one has any proof it's not real until/unless it goes to trial and even then it could be hollywood actors/actresses fooling us all. Geez-Louise.

Geez Lousie is correct :biggrin:

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Has anything been said about Misty's cousin, James Padgett, being found?

I thought I read upthread that he was not her cousin. :confused:

KKKKKKatie

02-16-2009, 01:37 PM

Who said no one can discuss it? We're all discussing it. We've been discussing it for days.:confused: You can't, however, take everything in that police report as FACT. If that is your premise, then they're looking for a 5-year BOY. Understand?

I understand just fine, thank you.....

HI_CYCLE

02-16-2009, 01:37 PM

Oh gosh......hope you feel better. Look forward to hearing more.

TY all, I reading but am about to go back to bed. I think we passed the new area yesterday on the way to Deland. My son ,who was with me driving, made the statement,this is a long way from were Haleigh lives. Hope to be back later.

KittyMom

02-16-2009, 01:37 PM

I thought I read upthread that he was not her cousin. :confused:

If that's the case, please ignore my query. Thanks

sunstar

02-16-2009, 01:38 PM

Mark L. was someone I NEVER suspected......I don't suspect Ron, but I have doubts about the g/f......

Hi! :seeya: Me too. Has anything else been said (besides Geraldo's report last night) about the RSO who's Misty's cousin? I just got on the computer and haven't had a chance to check any local news.

Deb7

02-16-2009, 01:38 PM

Has anything been said about Misty's cousin, James Padgett, being found?

I have been wondering about that myself. I read that her family member was missing, but then I never heard another word about it.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 01:39 PM

Has anything been said about Misty's cousin, James Padgett, being found?

Hadn't heard if he's been located yet or not....

Regina.Lampert

02-16-2009, 01:39 PM

LE would be remiss if they failed to investigate any past criminal element associated with Cummings and Croslin. imo.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:40 PM

I wounder what kind of parents she has to let her drop out of school and live with a 24 yr?

I have no idea. I don't know them. I don't know anyone with that problem.

I try not to judge too harshly unless I know the situation.

:mellow:

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 01:41 PM

Hi! :seeya: Me too. Has anything else been said (besides Geraldo's report last night) about the RSO who's Misty's cousin? I just got on the computer and haven't had a chance to check any local news.

Hadn't heard anymore about him yet.....
:seeya:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 01:42 PM

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 01:43 PM

I have no idea. I don't know them. I don't know anyone with that problem.

I try not to judge too harshly unless I know the situation.

:mellow:

That's a good way to be.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:43 PM

Like morphine? On raw opium, I've only seen it smoked.
:scared: I admit to being totally ignorant on this stuff Lavenia, but my kids told me that when I thought people were getting high off of lortabs, oxycontin etc. they weren't swallowing them as I thought, but snorting. LOL

All of this time I thought they were taking them like I would have. :laugh:

desmom

02-16-2009, 01:45 PM

No more common than my best friend in the world's dauther to living with a 22 yo in Wisconson. Nor the paternity fight waging in the UK between a 13 yr old boy and a 15 yr old Mom............:cursing:

I really aggravates me people assume so many factors in this case are "a Southern" thing.........:cursing:

It is not just a southern thing. From my travels, it happens all over. IMO, it is more common in rural areas than in cities.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:45 PM

You were ragging on Misty taking too long to call 911 and saying that Ron should know what to do since he has had experience with police before.
With all due respect, I read her post that Ron probably had a couple of run ins with the law and therefore knew how they operated.

Not how they responded to a 911 call. As for Misti and any delay, that's just coming from the police report. I don't think it's a big deal, maybe just a problem with recall on her part or a mistake in the time written down.

:confused:

KittyMom

02-16-2009, 01:47 PM

:scared: I admit to being totally ignorant on this stuff Lavenia, but my kids told me that when I thought people were getting high off of lortabs, oxycontin etc. they weren't swallowing them as I thought, but snorting. LOL

All of this time I thought they were taking them like I would have. :laugh:

Don't feel bad. I'd always thought they swallowed the tablets.

sunstar

02-16-2009, 01:48 PM

Hadn't heard anymore about him yet.....
:seeya:

thanks so much! This station is supposed to have a special on Haleigh @ 4pm ~ hopefully some updates online too.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=17

I think Fox News is having something in a few minutes too, but I don't know if anything will be about him.

Regina.Lampert

02-16-2009, 01:48 PM

You were ragging on Misty taking too long to call 911 and saying that Ron should know what to do since he has had experience with police before.

I pointed out that 911 was not called "immediately" and it wasn't.

desmom

02-16-2009, 01:49 PM

Do we know Ron's birthday? Because as I understand it, if he was 24 and she was 16 when this started, they were violating the law technically. Therefore, anything the parents said or did wouldn't matter.

(Mind you I am not defending this age difference.......it just doesn't automatically make either one of these people "bad")

Ron's DOB 10/29/1983
Misty's DOB 12/09/1991
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 01:49 PM

No, that's a synthetic for opium. All I remember for use, is to be smoked, made into a syrup, used to make heroin, and paregoric IIRC. It's just an odd drug to have in this day and age I believe. I'm not real current though. I thought you guys would know about any "trends".

Heck, I didn't even know about pot till I was like 19 years old......lol

I do know what paregoric is.....Had to use some for my son in a long travel when he was just a baby..This was 37 years ago.Don't know if it's even made anymore...

ConchGirl

02-16-2009, 01:51 PM

LE would be remiss if they failed to investigate any past criminal element associated with Cummings and Croslin. imo.

ITA, and I love the Sunshine Laws. When my youngest girl went off to college I showed her how to check criminal backgrounds on people. You can't judge a book by it's cover. jmo

Regina.Lampert

02-16-2009, 01:51 PM

(snipped)
I'm done with this topic.

.........Good.

breeze53

02-16-2009, 01:51 PM

Ignore the trolls, flamers and troublemakers peeps or they'll get the board shut down so no one can discuss anything. :thumbup:

Hi all i just got on is there anything new/ i hate asking but only have about 5 mins till i gotta run again. thanks have they called off the search?

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 01:51 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

:sad::sad:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 01:51 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

Oh no......please report for us at work. TIA.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 01:52 PM

LE would be remiss if they failed to investigate any past criminal element associated with Cummings and Croslin. imo.... Regina, you are right, again. I see no reason to give anyone a free pass in this case.

breeze53

02-16-2009, 01:52 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

omg MrLucky i wonder if they found her?

sunstar

02-16-2009, 01:53 PM

Fox News update seems to be about Chad Reynolds being missing and a possible connection to Haleigh's disappearance. Bo Dietl is on talking to the anchorperson. :shrug:

Regina.Lampert

02-16-2009, 01:53 PM

Heck, I didn't even know about pot till I was like 19 years old......lol

I do know what paregoric is.....Had to use some for my son in a long travel when he was just a baby..This was 37 years ago.Don't know if it's even made anymore...

Paragoric?? Now THAT'S a blast from the past. Grandma used to give it to us with some sugar in it. :wink:

Anni

02-16-2009, 01:53 PM

sunstar

02-16-2009, 01:54 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

thanks. :sad:

BorderCollieMom

02-16-2009, 01:54 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

Oh Nooooo !!!! My tv is controlled by a 13 yr old & his Wii so I cant watch.

Please let us know what is said. tia

sunstar

02-16-2009, 01:55 PM

Thanks sunstar. Things are looking very good right now, are they?

I'm not hearing anything that looks good right now. :sad:

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 01:59 PM

Don't feel bad. I'd always thought they swallowed the tablets.
Thanks. I felt like an idiot when they told me that. lol

I tried to google it and it would seem like opium could be heroin or morphine.

I have no idea. :confused:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 02:02 PM

Sorry it was FOX, it was just about scaling back the search and that LE is looking for the missing SO from Marion County.

Hard too kept up with which channel and forum I'm on

Okay thanks. Well at least it's not real bad news.....

KittyMom

02-16-2009, 02:02 PM

Thanks. I felt like an idiot when they told me that. lol

I tried to google it and it would seem like opium could be heroin or morphine.

I have no idea. :confused:

And here I always thought opium came from a flower and all three were separate drugs. :confused:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 02:04 PM

Usually heroin is set out differently than opium in charging documents, IIRC. Morphine is derived from opium and heroin is derived from morphine, I believe.

Should I say, "Wow, you know your stuff, Ms. Redux"?? :laugh:

J/K with ya!

Tia

02-16-2009, 02:06 PM

HNL just said they have some disturbing news coming up.

Oh no! Please keep us posted. I am at work and have been following the posts here all day.

Thanks for keeping those of us not near a TV up to date!

Regina.Lampert

02-16-2009, 02:11 PM

HLN just said searchers are searching about 10 miles away from the home and they showed a pic of Haleigh. That was it..............:sad:

I think this search is significant in light of the fact that The Today Show very early this morning reported that they were calling off the searches. imo.

Anni

02-16-2009, 02:13 PM

This is from the links thread. They're trying to locate another person but I don't think it's her cousin. Chad Eugene Reynolds age 25. You'll have to scroll down in the article a ways.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/1002/news?Title=Hunt_for_Haleigh_to_enter_new_phase

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=17

Search for Haleigh Moves South

Thanks Adalena, I know they have been discussing this Chad guy but I think on GR last night it was this James P (cousin) they were discussing. He is the one with ties to Georgia and/or Alabama...I think...I'm pretty sure! I cant remember where I read up on him now. I guess I should look see if there is anything on him in the links thread.

Thanks.

eta~ one more question, Misti didnt say whether her brother and 2 cousins came over that day or her brother and the kids (H and Jr's) 2 cousins came over that day. I was just under the impressing it was Her (Misti's) 2 cousins.

MissouriGMom

02-16-2009, 02:14 PM

I think this search is significant in light of the fact that The Today Show very early this morning reported that they were calling off the searches. imo.

Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe a tip or some kind of breakthrough.

sunstar

02-16-2009, 02:21 PM

"Ryan said though the ground search may be ending, the investigation is still in high gear. He said they are working with Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI on the case.
"We have gotten more than 500 leads so far," Ryan said, adding that many of the leads are angry ex-wives trying to get their former husbands in trouble."

Geez! That can't be helpful.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/0/MAGAZINE

OMG ~ what a potential waste of LE's time and resources when a precious little girl is missing. What are these women thinking? :crying:

Neffy

02-16-2009, 02:23 PM

Amber Alert -- Last Day Of Ground Search For Haleigh

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monda y.html

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is scheduled to hold its daily briefing on the search for Haleigh Cummings at 4 p.m. Monday. Stay with News 13 for LIVE coverage when the news conference begins.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 02:23 PM

OMG ~ what a potential waste of LE's time and resources when a precious little girl is missing. What are these women thinking? :crying:

They aren't thinking:cursing:

Neffy

02-16-2009, 02:28 PM

That area sure has a lot of angry x-wives, usually the most amount of leads comes from psychics.

JMO

All my ex's live in Texas.

That's why......................... LOL!

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 02:28 PM

I wounder what kind of parents she has to let her drop out of school and live with a 24 yr?

I don't think anything has been said about what her parents think about Misty's living situation or whether they approve or disapprove.

They may think that finding Haleigh is more important right now.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 02:29 PM

Which link are you looking at that on? This says other than...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES (OTHER THAN COCAINE, HEROIN, OPIUM, OR MARIJUANA) Gender M

Keep scrolling on down the page..:smile:

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 02:30 PM

I also will have no part in trashing this family from past drug related offences down to how long it took them to call 911 (27 minutes is not a long time) Until the police are focusing on the family they are inoccent victims right now missing their baby girl:crying:

But it's okay to ask what kind of parents Misty had that let her drop out of school and move in with Ron?

:confused:

Deb7

02-16-2009, 02:32 PM

Mimi428

02-16-2009, 02:32 PM

I haven't seen anyone with an opium possession charge in a long time.

Yeah, that one really made me wonder, too.

Under the Florida statutes, it has to do with possession of a controlled substance -

his charge was 0893.13.6a

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0893/SEC13.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0893->Section%2013#0893.13

He also was charged with offense 0499.03, which has to do with possessing a prescription that isn't your own. And one that has to do with a driver's license restriction. And one that has to do with tobacco. I think they threw the kitchen sink at him during that arrest & since the majority were misdemeanor possession, I just don't know what to make of all of it. Like - did he & a bunch of others get arrested during the same time, for the same stuff, or what?

Anyway, it was back in 2001 & 2002, & this is 2009 - so it appears that he may very well have cleaned up his act. He wouldn't be the first to have some youthful activities he now regrets.

JMO

sunstar

02-16-2009, 02:34 PM

Can you imagine the anger of these women to accuse their ex-'s of stealing a little girl? It's almost unbelievable.:rolleyes:

Actually I can imagine the anger, but to follow through with it and call in tips to LE really crosses the line. :mad: MOO

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 02:35 PM

I wounder what kind of parents she has to let her drop out of school and live with a 24 yr?

I don't think Misty dropped out of school to move in with Ronald. She was in & out of her parents house for the last year. She "prefers city life." If that is what one wants to call Daytona Beach. :confused:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293

Neffy

02-16-2009, 02:38 PM

I don't think Misty dropped out of school to move in with Ronald. She was in & out of her parents house for the last year. She "prefers city life." If that is what one wants to call Daytona Beach. :confused:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293

Zsa Zsa she is not.

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 02:38 PM

sunstar

02-16-2009, 02:39 PM

Yes Sanity and he was also able to steal a gun from the home. I do not know about Ron`s safety measures with fire arms, but stealing a gun should of been a hard thing to pull off. Next to taking a child, a gun theft should rank right up there as the most difficult robbery there is.

But we don't know how long this cousin was in the house when he visited either, so he might have been able to find that secure place (if there was one) where the gun was kept. I'll just give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to keep it away from the children possibly getting hold of it. I'm more curious though if the theft was reported or not and why the cousin stole it. MOO

Deb7

02-16-2009, 02:39 PM

Yeah, that one really made me wonder, too.

Under the Florida statutes, it has to do with possession of a controlled substance -

his charge was 0893.13.6a

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0893/SEC13.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0893->Section%2013#0893.13

He also was charged with offense 0499.03, which has to do with possessing a prescription that isn't your own. And one that has to do with a driver's license restriction. And one that has to do with tobacco. I think they threw the kitchen sink at him during that arrest & since the majority were misdemeanor possession, I just don't know what to make of all of it. Like - did he & a bunch of others get arrested during the same time, for the same stuff, or what?

Anyway, it was back in 2001 & 2002, & this is 2009 - so it appears that he may very well have cleaned up his act. He wouldn't be the first to have some youthful activities he now regrets.

JMO

Sorry to keep repeating myself, but I think some people are missing this separate post from there (post number 84) that links to http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930 and that is from 2006.

Mimi428

02-16-2009, 02:40 PM

Or not... http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930

Granted that isn't necessarily drug related (I really don't know one way or another) BUT it is another arrest and it was in 2006.

If there was not another offense to go along with it, I just cannot get all het up over a simple trespass.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0810/SEC09.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0810->Section%2009#0810.09

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.--

(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:

1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s...

JMO

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 02:45 PM

The whole thing is troubling. Greta said he has a history of violent temperment. He's got a rap sheet that no one should be proud of and he cussed horribly and hung up on the 911 operator.

I can't figure out why some people bash people who don't approve of such things. :w00t:I'm puzzled by that as well. Regardless of cultural differences that seem to be brought up so much, we all have to obey the same laws.

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 02:46 PM

If there was not another offense to go along with it, I just cannot get all het up over a simple trespass.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0810/SEC09.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0810->Section%2009#0810.09

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.--

(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:

1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s...

JMO

It is possible that is a hunting violation as well. Hunting where he should not have been hunting.

sunstar

02-16-2009, 02:51 PM

Yes that is one point I was making. Which leads me to wonder how secure any of those doors were. The other point I was making is that it would take someone very crafty and brazen to steal a gun out of a home. And it sounds like if there was a intruder then this guy was just as brazen.

Chances are if she was kidnapped the guy doing so was armed.

That's a very good possibility, and I really am starting to think there might be something to Misty's suspicion about her cousin. Now, I wonder if LE has located this guy? :confused:

Deb7

02-16-2009, 02:51 PM

Okay thanks. I see it now. My goodness he's the wild one, no? It could've been an illegal Rx he was in posession of.

Yea I was wondering about that one myself.

5boxersmom

02-16-2009, 02:52 PM

I'm wondering about that too Kelly. This link says they've been out at that site for two days.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131452&catid=17

Wonder what lead them to this area?

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 02:52 PM

Zsa Zsa she is not.

:lol: I am guessing her parents didn't have green acres either.

Seriously, Misty has prolly been doing things on her own for a while now. Her parents may have been relieved just to know where she was staying. JMOO

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 02:52 PM

~snipped to address~
Anyway, it was back in 2001 & 2002, & this is 2009 - so it appears that he may very well have cleaned up his act. He wouldn't be the first to have some youthful activities he now regrets.

JMOI'm not all that concerned about his past unless it tells us something about his behavior today.

He's like a timebomb about to go off and that does concern me.

jewel6

02-16-2009, 02:56 PM

Was it the mom, crystal who had a domestic violence against a child on her record or am i dreaming? JMO

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 02:58 PM

Thanks for posting that again. Some people live & learn and some just live. Looks like he falls into the latter category. Pitiful. Oh yeah, just a list of offenses no big deal. It's what we all hope for in our children and our neighbor's children. cough!

It also looks like some plea deals, IOW, the convictions aren't exactly what he was charged with originally. IMO Only.

Then there's Mom who works for the Sheriff's Department.

Just sayin'......

All I know is we've got a father (with a documented police record) who entrusted his children to a 16 year old girl (now 17) that he moved into his house at or around the same time he started "dating" her (after getting custody from their mother who he had known longer).

We've got a 17 year old dropout who doesn't seem to want anything better for herself than an older man and a ready made family.

We've got a blanket missing along with a 5 year old child who was last seen by the 17 year old. We've got the 17 year old admitting that she was "cleaning" on the night in question and doing laundry.

We've got the 17 year old attempting to point the finger of blame at somebody who stole a gun from Ron - the same gun that Ron mentions in his police report as a threat to "him" (the unknown "him" that has "taken" Haleigh).

I'm sure I'm forgetting about a few things, but IMO everybody in these families, until we learn otherwise, bears scrutiny.

JMO

Snow_Dream

02-16-2009, 02:59 PM

Mimi428

02-16-2009, 03:00 PM

It is possible that is a hunting violation as well. Hunting where he should not have been hunting.

Exactly. That is why I am not too excited about that specific one. The offense he was charged with related to putting your feet on ground. Not in a house or any sort of building. And if there was no other charge to go with it, he may have done nothing more than cross a fence with a posted sign.

And here's a link to the main page of the Florida Statutes, I just realized the links I put in before weren't showing up right -

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=67213136&CFTOKEN=49607662

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 03:01 PM

Was it the mom, crystal who had a domestic violence against a child on her record or am i dreaming? JMO

A couple. Her own mama called one in. It is discussed in the custody hearings (that some here refer to as the divorce hearings) JMOO

sunstar

02-16-2009, 03:04 PM

In my opinion if someone was able to get a gun out of that home then no way was that gun secure. I grew up with my dad having an enormous gun collection and believe me those guns were not going anywhere my dad did not know.

I am wondering the same thing as to if Ron reported the gun theft. But what really gets me if the fact that the cousin was in that home to begin with. Did Ron know before hand about this guys past? Or is he just finding out now?

I do agree with you about it probably not being in a locked gun cabinet, but I was thinking more of it being hidden someplace where the kids might not get to as opposed to leaving it laying around in plain sight. Who knows, but the other points are more troubling to me too, like if Ron knew this guy was a RSO before allowing him into the house with the children, and how long the guy was actually in the house "visiting". MOO

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 03:05 PM

What does any of the family members "rap sheets" have to do with the Haleigh missing? If there's nothing in the criminal history related to child abuse or family violence then what's the point. Is it that some think that he's a bad father and that's why his daughter is missing? If that's the case, then there must be a lot of posters with perfect pasts throwing stones.

Because IMO it shows a pattern of lack of respect for laws, other people's property, and law enforcement.

I don't know that it would make him a bad father. I just don't think it would qualify him for Father of the Year either.

norwood

02-16-2009, 03:10 PM

Me too. I think this is a Lunsford repeat right down to a predator and trashing of this family.:sad:

I have to agree with you with what we know so far.

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 03:11 PM

It also looks like some plea deals, IOW, the convictions aren't exactly what he was charged with originally. IMO Only.

Then there's Mom who works for the Sheriff's Department.

Just sayin'......

All I know is we've got a father (with a documented police record) who entrusted his children to a 16 year old girl (now 17) that he moved into his house at or around the same time he started "dating" her (after getting custody from their mother who he had known longer).

We've got a 17 year old dropout who doesn't seem to want anything better for herself than an older man and a ready made family.

We've got a blanket missing along with a 5 year old child who was last seen by the 17 year old. We've got the 17 year old admitting that she was "cleaning" on the night in question and doing laundry.

We've got the 17 year old attempting to point the finger of blame at somebody who stole a gun from Ron - the same gun that Ron mentions in his police report as a threat to "him" (the unknown "him" that has "taken" Haleigh).

I'm sure I'm forgetting about a few things, but IMO everybody in these families, until we learn otherwise, bears scrutiny.

JMO

As for the 17 yo, what did she do to support herself in Daytona? My guess is her living situaiton beat her flipping burgers or worse for a living.

The father got custody in 2006. They split up sometime after Ronald Jr was born in 2005. They were never married.

The custody documents show that she came to retrieve her things out of his trailer at some point in 2006. She sent to the law trying to get the kids. She never mentioned getting the kids when she went to get her things. She told Ron Sr in court "that's what I told you."

I don't see where either parent ever had legal custody before Ron Sr was granted it. JMOO

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:13 PM

LE would be remiss if they failed to investigate any past criminal element associated with Cummings and Croslin. imo.

Of course. And sheffield and griffis.

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 03:16 PM

I don't blame her for wanting to get out of that area. It doesn't look like it has much to offer for a better career.

Then why is she back? I have my own thoughts on that. But no one improves their employment record by not having a high schoold diploma or GED. I think Misty did what Misty wanted to do. The parents knew she was living with Ron. If they don't care, why should we?

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 03:20 PM

Family Members Make One Last Plea to Search Teams

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131465&catid=4

""I encourage anyone who wants to help me to look for my daughter to come back and help me look," pleaded Cummings."

That poor father.

If I lived there, I would love to help him......:sad:

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 03:20 PM

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:21 PM

But it's okay to ask what kind of parents Misty had that let her drop out of school and move in with Ron?

:confused:

No, IMO it's not OK.

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 03:21 PM

As for the 17 yo, what did she do to support herself in Daytona? My guess is her living situaiton beat her flipping burgers or worse for a living.

The father got custody in 2006. They split up sometime after Ronald Jr was born in 2005. They were never married.

The custody documents show that she came to retrieve her things out of his trailer at some point in 2006. She sent to the law trying to get the kids. She never mentioned getting the kids when she went to get her things. She told Ron Sr in court "that's what I told you."

I don't see where either parent ever had legal custody before Ron Sr was granted it. JMOO

The transcripts to that hearing in January 2006 say much for both of the parents IMO and while neither of them fit what I might deem as *parents fit for custody of children*, it was clear Ron seemed to be up on the health of the children and knew what they were facing IMO.

While some want to give Crystal a free pass here, I will not. She admitted to not feeling like getting up herself to take Haleigh to doctor appointments after she threw Ron's grammaw under the bus for sleeping or driving in the path of SEMI's on the drive to said Dr.

The whole lot of players here speak to a sad situation we have in America where some families use 911 for mediation IMHOO. Bottom line is that nobody was trying to have Misty removed, Crystal herself stated Haleigh loves Misty, her own mother has come out apologizing to Misty and Ron now and we need to get back to what really happened to Haleigh if things are slowing down now IMOO.

IF LE was interested in hammering down on Ron about his relationship with Misty, I highly doubt they'd still be sharin' a tent, IYKWIM. :blink:

So all the bashing and trashing can go on and on but it's not getting anywhere outside of making a few feel better about themselves at this particular point. JMO.

I think the local DSS will probably be looking a little closer at the life and times of Doodle Bug and Butter Bean AFTER this missing child's case is solved.

AGAIN, JMO.

Tia

02-16-2009, 03:22 PM

Family Members Make One Last Plea to Search Teams

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131465&catid=4

""I encourage anyone who wants to help me to look for my daughter to come back and help me look," pleaded Cummings."

That poor father.

They are just stopping? Or do they have other leads?
This is so sad.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 03:22 PM

It also looks like some plea deals, IOW, the convictions aren't exactly what he was charged with originally. IMO Only.

Then there's Mom who works for the Sheriff's Department.

Just sayin'......

All I know is we've got a father (with a documented police record) who entrusted his children to a 16 year old girl (now 17) that he moved into his house at or around the same time he started "dating" her (after getting custody from their mother who he had known longer).

We've got a 17 year old dropout who doesn't seem to want anything better for herself than an older man and a ready made family.

We've got a blanket missing along with a 5 year old child who was last seen by the 17 year old. We've got the 17 year old admitting that she was "cleaning" on the night in question and doing laundry.

We've got the 17 year old attempting to point the finger of blame at somebody who stole a gun from Ron - the same gun that Ron mentions in his police report as a threat to "him" (the unknown "him" that has "taken" Haleigh).

I'm sure I'm forgetting about a few things, but IMO everybody in these families, until we learn otherwise, bears scrutiny.

JMO... guess you know that many do not feel that the lifestyle of these people should be considered important. I for one agree with you... it IS important because it can predict future behavior.

sunstar

02-16-2009, 03:22 PM

Sun....I think you missed my last paragraph.....I skip over stuff too LOL!

I am wondering too what Ron new about this cousin. Is he just now finding out he is a RSO?

Sounds to me if that gun was hidden then Ron sure did not this guy well enough to show him where he kept it. Just makes me wonder what other mistakes were made in securing that home.

Actually I did read it and was just agreeing with you about what Ron knew about the cousin, and whether he just showed up or Misty had invited him over. So many questions with no answers yet! :sad:

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 03:23 PM

No, IMO it's not OK.

It merely represents the opposite of what's being done from the other side of the coin IMO.

jakee

02-16-2009, 03:23 PM

tarabull1

02-16-2009, 03:24 PM

Personally I can care less what he did in the past as long as it has nothing to do with hurting people or children he has a missing daughter and that's all I care about.

In your mind does an ASSUALT charge = hurting someone?

sunstar

02-16-2009, 03:24 PM

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:25 PM

I know :biggrin: He's a pretty high-strung, full-of-anger kinda guy and knew his limitations when he asked Misty to call. It's more common than not.

Has nothing to do with his past and, besides, I think in most of his past dealings with the police, he wasn't the one calling 911.:wink:

IMO he asked Misty to call so he could continue looking.

5boxersmom

02-16-2009, 03:28 PM

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 03:29 PM

What does any of the family members "rap sheets" have to do with the Haleigh missing? If there's nothing in the criminal history related to child abuse or family violence then what's the point. Is it that some think that he's a bad father and that's why his daughter is missing? If that's the case, then there must be a lot of posters with perfect pasts throwing stones.
Of course. You won't find anybody who ever drinks, smokes, cusses or has children who did or do so now.

My 3 kids were angelic, I never had a moment's worry with any of them. :w00t:

They got it from me of course. lol

tarabull1

02-16-2009, 03:29 PM

And the police are just releasing this?:cursing: I thought they checked all the sex offenders in the area and had them accounted for!!!

NO they weren't all accounted for - all were but ONE!!!! This information was originally released yesterday Sunday Feb 15, the story has been posted in links.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 03:29 PM

Stranger Danger Warning

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=119690&catid=69

Unrelated story, I hope, but they sure are everywhere in Florida!

Good Lord......:scared:

Neffy

02-16-2009, 03:31 PM

I get page not found. :confused:

Same here :shrug:

norwood

02-16-2009, 03:31 PM

CC I See

02-16-2009, 03:33 PM

On the 911 call you can hear him. He was standing right there and telling g/f what to say. 911 call links are in the links thread..... so he didn't immediately run outside to look to see if Haleigh was wandering around in the yard? Maybe he was busy looking for stuff to hide before police got there. Just my opinion but if I just arrived home and was told that the door was open and my daughter missing, I would be outside running around with a flashlight in the dark trying to see where she was. My first thought would not be that, "he took her."

Neffy

02-16-2009, 03:33 PM

sunstar

02-16-2009, 03:33 PM

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 03:33 PM

If I lived there, I would love to help him......:sad:

I know you would sweetbee. I wish I could take off work and help out myself.

:sad:

Tia

02-16-2009, 03:35 PM

No, the investigation is still in high gear, but the ground search is limited to two areas now due to leads.

Thank you!

Mimi428

02-16-2009, 03:35 PM

In your mind does an ASSUALT charge = hurting someone?

Under the statute he was charged with, it could include the THREAT of harming someone. He could have told someone he was going to kick their butt - & if they believed it & believed he meant it & believed he had the ability to do it, he could be charged.

Here is EXACTLY how it reads & this is from the 2001 statutes, which is the year he was charged...

The 2001 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
Crimes Chapter 784
Assault; Battery; Culpable Negligence View Entire Chapter

784.011 Assault.--

(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Go to the main page here, then look it up.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=67213136&CFTOKEN=49607662

norwood

02-16-2009, 03:36 PM

:seeya:

Hey Norwood,

Supposed to be at 4pm.

Hi Neffy , thanks for the info. That is not so long to wait then if they are on time. I am central time so would be 3 for me.

I don't feel good about the outcome of this poor little girl. She has been gone too long and that is not a good thing.

iluvmua

02-16-2009, 03:36 PM

Are they still trying to find that SO?

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 03:38 PM

Are they still trying to find that SO?

The cousin? I hadn't heard....I hope so..

sunstar

02-16-2009, 03:40 PM

Yeah. It really sounds to me like Ron did not know of this dudes past. If he trusted him in that home with his kids and obviously must have shown him where the gun was........then I doubt he knew. I just wonder if he found out after the theft or just now. One way or another if I was Ron I`d be furious with Misty who knew of his past first hand.

While I feel very sorry for his pain right now, I just can't put my mind around him seeming to be supportive of Misty after Haleigh's disappearance if he knew this cousin's record, or suspected he could've been involved. :sad: MOO

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:40 PM

Was it the mom, crystal who had a domestic violence against a child on her record or am i dreaming? JMO

What? Is that true? Did Greta mention that too?

She has "domestic violence against a child" on her record?

iluvmua

02-16-2009, 03:41 PM

The cousin? I hadn't heard....I hope so..

No, Chad Reynolds
The missing SO from Florida.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 03:41 PM

You're softpeddaling his rap sheet to say the least. Besides posession of illegal drugs including heroin the sheriff told Greta family protective services had had issues (plural) with dad, g/f, Haleigh (the now-missing child) and jr. dad living with a minor girl. Greta said he has a history of violent temper. nice how you reduced all that to nothing more than a lil' cussing and smoking cigarrettes. :rolleyes: and all us bad people who should be ashamed for reading news and watching tv. :rolleyes:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

......yes, looks to me like one big happy family setting a good role model for the rest of us.:glare:

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 03:43 PM

Yeah. It really sounds to me like Ron did not know of this dudes past. If he trusted him in that home with his kids and obviously must have shown him where the gun was........then I doubt he knew. I just wonder if he found out after the theft or just now. One way or another if I was Ron I`d be furious with Misty who knew of his past first hand.

Why be furious with Misty?

He's the one with the children who invited her to move in as soon as they started "dating". It goes to my original point - Ron knew nothing about Misty, her family, or any of her associates. He had a free babysitter and someone to sleep with. Period.

JMO

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:43 PM

On the 911 call you can hear him. He was standing right there and telling g/f what to say. 911 call links are in the links thread.

I already heard that. But, he could have had her call so he could keep looking and then he took part in the call. Since Misty was the one there when Haleigh went missing, then it made sense for her to talk to 911. I don't think there had been time for her to discuss all the details with him.

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 03:44 PM

The transcripts to that hearing in January 2006 say much for both of the parents IMO and while neither of them fit what I might deem as *parents fit for custody of children*, it was clear Ron seemed to be up on the health of the children and knew what they were facing IMO.

While some want to give Crystal a free pass here, I will not. She admitted to not feeling like getting up herself to take Haleigh to doctor appointments after she threw Ron's grammaw under the bus for sleeping or driving in the path of SEMI's on the drive to said Dr.

The whole lot of players here speak to a sad situation we have in America where some families use 911 for mediation IMHOO. Bottom line is that nobody was trying to have Misty removed, Crystal herself stated Haleigh loves Misty, her own mother has come out apologizing to Misty and Ron now and we need to get back to what really happened to Haleigh if things are slowing down now IMOO.

IF LE was interested in hammering down on Ron about his relationship with Misty, I highly doubt they'd still be sharin' a tent, IYKWIM. :blink:

So all the bashing and trashing can go on and on but it's not getting anywhere outside of making a few feel better about themselves at this particular point. JMO.

I think the local DSS will probably be looking a little closer at the life and times of Doodle Bug and Butter Bean AFTER this missing child's case is solved.

AGAIN, JMO.

ITA with all. Great post.

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 03:45 PM

They are just stopping? Or do they have other leads?
This is so sad.I just listened to the 4pm press conference and he said that they discussed with the family why they moved the search and that they understand LE's reasoning.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=149380&storyid=131404

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 03:47 PM

......yes, looks to me like one big happy family setting a good role model for the rest of us.:glare:
How did this family end up trying to be a role model for the rest of us?

They did not ask for their child to be abducted! They did not ask for all of their private lives to be torn apart.

How easy it is to judge people you have never met, don't really know a thing about and don't give a flying fig about.

Good Lord! Wait until there is something to judge them for, not while they are searching for their child.

:angry:

Neffy

02-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Hi Neffy , thanks for the info. That is not so long to wait then if they are on time. I am central time so would be 3 for me.

I don't feel good about the outcome of this poor little girl. She has been gone too long and that is not a good thing.

I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I was hoping it was a matter of LE zeroing in and keeping it close to their vest. This doesn't look good.

ortiga

02-16-2009, 03:50 PM

... guess you know that many do not feel that the lifestyle of these people should be considered important. I for one agree with you... it IS important because it can predict future behavior.

It's none of our business, it is not unusual in rural areas from Florida to Alaska. For 4 days now, posters (besides me) have been weighing in that it is not unusual. Finding the little girl is the point, not they decisions made by Misty's parents, etc etc etc. IMO

bama__angel

02-16-2009, 03:50 PM

How did this family end up trying to be a role model for the rest of us?

They did not ask for their child to be abducted! They did not ask for all of their private lives to be torn apart.

How easy it is to judge people you have never met, don't really know a thing about and don't give a flying fig about.

Good Lord! Wait until there is something to judge them for, not while they are searching for their child.

:angry:

ITA... and I dont seem to recall anyone in this family asking to be the family role model for the rest of America.........

emdragon

02-16-2009, 03:51 PM

You're softpeddaling his rap sheet to say the least. Besides posession of illegal drugs including heroin the sheriff told Greta family protective services had had issues (plural) with dad, g/f, Haleigh (the now-missing child) and jr. dad living with a minor girl. Greta said he has a history of violent temper. nice how you reduced all that to nothing more than a lil' cussing and smoking cigarrettes. :rolleyes: and all us bad people who should be ashamed for reading news and watching tv. :rolleyes:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668&page=4

And anyone can call protective services it doesn't mean there was anything found.. the kids were after all still with Ron AND Misti.

The history of a violent temper is a misdemeanor assault

The truth is there is no news so people here are making their own.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 03:53 PM

It's none of our business, it is not unusual in rural areas from Florida to Alaska. For 4 days now, posters (besides me) have been weighing in that it is not unusual. Finding the little girl is the point, not they decisions made by Misty's parents, etc etc etc. IMO
Ortiga, I agree but don't think that will stop the dissecting. I would hate to think that my every little indiscretion be thrown out there for all to see. lol

Mamie

02-16-2009, 03:53 PM

I am watching MSNBC and they say there is to be a presser on Haleigh. Said they are waiting on it so no idea how long before it starts. Just thought I would give a heads up.

Looks like they are going to call off the ground search. So sad.

Oh no! Well earlier when someone said they had the tents set up (tents wasn't the word but it's what I liken it to) I thought it wasn't a good sign at all. I've got it on MSNBC right now. I guess we're about 8 minutes away?

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 03:54 PM

Oh thank you. What a relief. The header and the info in the article tricked me into thinking those photos went with the story.

The power of the press :)

Wonder why Greta can't or won't elaborate on the violent temper history you keep bringing up? JMOO

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 03:54 PM

ITA... and I dont seem to recall anyone in this family asking to be the family role model for the rest of America.........

Nope, I don't either.

SavannahStar

02-16-2009, 03:56 PM

The power of the press :)

Wonder why Greta can't or won't elaborate on the violent temper history you keep bringing up? JMOO

Wondering how Greta got to be the Ronald Cummings expert, myself. We often hear, "NG said......." but this is a first for "Greta said......" :laugh:

Peace

02-16-2009, 03:57 PM

The power of the press :)

Wonder why Greta can't or won't elaborate on the violent temper history you keep bringing up? JMOO

Probably because in reality its going to end up being something stupid... a bar fight... or something along those lines...

People do stupid things sometimes that they later regret... a bar fight (for example since we don't know what the temper issue is) doesn't mean someone is violent... it means that someone was drunk and stupid.

Sometimes the media takes stupid issues that happened years ago and turn them into something more then what they are IMO

iluvmua

02-16-2009, 03:57 PM

Nope, I don't either.

I don't either. I hope Ron, Misty and Family get cleared soon.

bama__angel

02-16-2009, 03:57 PM

The power of the press :)

Wonder why Greta can't or won't elaborate on the violent temper history you keep bringing up? JMOO

Maybe I'm searching in the wrong places but I cant find Greta speaking about violent temper history concerning Ron.....When does she speak of this? TIA

breeze53

02-16-2009, 03:58 PM

Family Members Make One Last Plea to Search Teams

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131465&catid=4

""I encourage anyone who wants to help me to look for my daughter to come back and help me look," pleaded Cummings."

That poor father.

Tim is only going back because LE told him to...............LE knows a whole lot more then we think they do imo.

desmom

02-16-2009, 03:58 PM

Live update http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

Mamie

02-16-2009, 04:00 PM

He's repeatedly said in media that he looked quickly in the house before he told g/f to dial 911. In the calls you can hear him telling her what to say. He was obviously standing right next to her during those calls. Links in the links thread to the 911 calls.

It's never been said that he was searching for his dtr while his g/f was on the phone. And if he had there's the evidence of the 911 call to prove he'd be lying.

I think his g/f was scared to make a move without him. I think that was her reason for not calling 911 until he got home because he may have physically taken it out on her if he drove up and she'd already made the call to them. I think he has made her scared to do anything without his "okay". I think judging by what he called her in front of police, backs that up. JMO

norwood

02-16-2009, 04:00 PM

I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I was hoping it was a matter of LE zeroing in and keeping it close to their vest. This doesn't look good.

Listening to presser now. I don't think they have a clue where she is or how she disappeared.

hubby home so taking a break

runnnempty

02-16-2009, 04:01 PM

The press conference is one here.

Hope it works.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx?GID=dJIVbi7tk9U+V/3RDjSQ0O5QtYTzStVsB8Uu7s8PBOU%3D

Peace

02-16-2009, 04:01 PM

ITA sometimes the media will dig up everything the can find if there is no new news to talk about.

and make it more then what it really is.

nc1948

02-16-2009, 04:06 PM

Now, you KNOW with this post you just rattled a big bear's den right??

WOW suddenly I feel like shouting...

VIOLENCE AND ANGER have NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVING ON A LOW INCOME OR IN A TRAILER OR LIVING DOWN SOUTH.

Violence and anger, murder and theft, deception, molestation ALL of these things cross every boundry, every racial line, every economic line.

Just because someone lives in a trailer DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T DREAM ABOUT HAVING A BETTER LIFE.

HOLY CRAP don't even get me started.

I don't live in a trailer but I do know plenty of hard working, decent people who do and they all want a good life and good things for their kids.

HOLY CRAP go read up and do some research on domestic violence before you come in here and post this kind of nonsense.

Also? It's been my real life experience that people with southern accent's don't usually realize that they are saying "Y'all" much the less TYPE IT THAT WAY.

Whew.:cursing:

Thank you, thank you. The educated and wealthy think they are exempt from problems the rest of society faces, they are just able to hire lawyers to hide the problem.

Pag Boi

02-16-2009, 04:06 PM

Is Chad Reynolds, RSO, the same Chad that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to? TIA

jewel6

02-16-2009, 04:08 PM

Is Chad Reynolds, RSO, the same Chad that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to? TIA

NO Reynolds is a predator thats missing and served time in putnam county.

emdragon

02-16-2009, 04:09 PM

Is Chad Reynolds, RSO, the same Chad that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to? TIA

no not the same chad

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 04:09 PM

Is Chad Reynolds, RSO, the same Chad that Crystal Sheffield is engaged to? TIA

No, that's Chad Griffs who is engaged to Crystal.

desmom

02-16-2009, 04:09 PM

My translation from presser:

The area they searched today was searched because of a tip. A very wooded area.

They do have another area they are going to canvass.

Misty being cooperative.

We have been in contact with the family, officers still stationed out there. They explained to the family they have not abandoned the search.

Explaining out they search or why they search an area or why they may search an area twice. They will search any place in this country or outside of this country if they get a valid tip that leads them there.
LE has not excluded anywhere.

A couple of false sightings.

Will not comment on evidence from home.

Mr. Reynolds, missing sexual predator, victim was under the age of 12. At this time, he is not considered POI today re Haleigh.

Reporter asking about other predators and girlfriend's cousin. LE has interviewed numerous family and friends and they will not reveal anything from the interviews. Misty has been extensively interviewed. They may re-interview because other questions or concerns arise.

Don't lose hope. Hope is the best thing they have. The people you see searching. They are asking the family not to give up home. LE has hope they will find her and bring her home alive.

LE will not comment if they have interviewed previous tenants.

Sheriff did not ask TES to leave the area. He believes TES had another place they had to go re a missing child. TES is no longer in Putnam Co.

jmo

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:11 PM

I would would be furious if someone brought any kind of criminal into my home. Now if it were a child molester I would be beyond furious. Words cannot describe!! But that is just me.
So would I and if I found out afterward I wouldn't be inclined to show any kind of support to the person who brought that criminal into my house ~ especially if something or someone went missing from the house. This is what I can't figure out about his behavior right now. Maybe he feels somewhat responsible now that something's happened to Haleigh and is blaming himself moreso than Misty? :shrug: MOO

jewel6

02-16-2009, 04:11 PM

They didnt even throw us a bone! :scared: jmo wonder what they are thinking? jmo

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 04:11 PM

And anyone can call protective services it doesn't mean there was anything found.. the kids were after all still with Ron AND Misti.

The history of a violent temper is a misdemeanor assault

The truth is there is no news so people here are making their own.

Yes Emdragon, and if you read the transcript of the second custodial hearing, the judge himself stated he read up on what was there previously on domestic calls and still found Ron the parent for custody.

He also stated he would look again, but left his findings in place.

JMO after reading the transcripts.

I don't think anyone here believes it was the ideal environment, but we often use our own point of reference and that's often contrary to what goes on in Satsuma IMOO. :sad:

juliekan

02-16-2009, 04:11 PM

Live update http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

Thanks. Sounds like they REALLY, REALLY still suspect anyone and everyone and are also hoping that testing on objects taken from the home will give them new leads.

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 04:12 PM

If the police suspected the family wouldn't they be focusing more on the home and taking things out of the house to test? This leads me to believe that someone other then family took Haleigh.

They've already taken items out of the home and last we heard it was still blocked with crime tape and nobody was allowed to re-enter.

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:13 PM

If the police suspected the family wouldn't they be focusing more on the home and taking things out of the house to test? This leads me to believe that someone other then family took Haleigh.

As far as I know LE hasn't released the house yet though. I think everybody is still of interest.

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 04:15 PM

He's not any kin to Marie Griffs, he is?

Stepson from what I understand.

But I don't like to repeat gossip

So listen close the first time!

:laugh:

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 04:16 PM

He's not any kin to Marie Griffs, he is?

Her son or step son I believe.

Deb7

02-16-2009, 04:16 PM

I think you missed my point. I said that IF he is just now finding out about the cousins past it seems he would be furious at Misty for not telling him sooner. She knew first hand what this cousin was capable of.

I would would be furious if someone brought any kind of criminal into my home. Now if it were a child molester I would be beyond furious. Words cannot describe!! But that is just me.

I agree with you entirely. I can't imagine how he would even want to share the same tent with Misty just from that information alone.
Sometimes I wonder about how he was fairly matter of fact about it being a male child molestor from the get go... I mean, did he know in advance that Misty's cousin was a RSO? JMO

ortiga

02-16-2009, 04:17 PM

He's not any kin to Marie Griffs, he is?

I do believe he's her stepson.

IMO

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 04:17 PM

Thanks! :thumbsup:

You got it. What do you think the scenario is regarding Haleigh's disappearance?

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 04:20 PM

You got it. What do you think the scenario is regarding Haleigh's disappearance?I don't think it's a stranger. And as long as LE hasn't ruled out the family, I haven't either.

I haven't made any firm conclusions yet.

How about you? What do you think the scenario is?

ortiga

02-16-2009, 04:23 PM

Last night, IIRC, Geraldo said that Ron and Misty had moved into the trailer only 3 weeks ago. Did he mean 3 months ago? Did I dream that he said 3 weeks?

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 04:23 PM

Stepson from what I understand.

But I don't like to repeat gossip

So listen close the first time!

:laugh:

Are you serious? The one that speaks in tongues???? :blushing:

Misty's family is starting to really look good at this point....:tonguewag:

gaelicpeas

02-16-2009, 04:27 PM

Last night, IIRC, Geraldo said that Ron and Misty had moved into the trailer only 3 weeks ago. Did he mean 3 months ago? Did I dream that he said 3 weeks?I just read an article on MSN that says 3 weeks also:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29221053/

(2nd paragraph from the end of the article)

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:29 PM

I guess we will have to wait and see.

I think too that LE is probably still waiting for some results from the crime lab from whatever was sent to them. For example there could've been a lot of fingerprints in there, not necessarily from who took Haleigh, that need to be analyzed. MOO

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 04:30 PM

I'm not sure they are one in the same, but THAT is the guy I've suspected all along in this case.
The soon to be step-dad of Haleigh..

What makes you think of him Kathy? :unsure:

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:31 PM

I just read an article on MSN that says 3 weeks also:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29221053/

(2nd paragraph from the end of the article)

I was sure I'd heard they'd moved there before the end of 2008, like November or something. They've also been together about 4-5 months. :confused:

gaelicpeas

02-16-2009, 04:31 PM

Hm? Ron said abt 6 months ago. SOURCE: Greta and Nancy GraceI agree - I heard that, too. My guess is this article and Rivera were wrong... JMO

ETA: But who knows!

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 04:34 PM

I don't think it's a stranger. And as long as LE hasn't ruled out the family, I haven't either.

I haven't made any firm conclusions yet.

How about you? What do you think the scenario is?

I do think it was a stranger or someone who knew the layout of the house and possibly the family.

I haven't completely ruled out the family, but at this time don't suspect them. I'm with you, no firm conclusions yet.

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 04:35 PM

These are accusations only IMO and when they were presented in the custody battle, the judge still sent the children to Ron IMO. :sneaky:

I will again reiterate the lack of follow-thru on the part of the mother concerning the doctors from Haleigh and the hormone therapy to Butter Bean and the CARDIOLOGIST. JMO

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 04:37 PM

I do think it was a stranger or someone who knew the layout of the house and possibly the family.

I haven't completely ruled out the family, but at this time don't suspect them. I'm with you, no firm conclusions yet.The reason why I don't think it was a stranger is because of the light and the brick propping the door open.

That doesn't seem like something a stranger would do. But, of course, I could be wrong.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 04:40 PM

Try this one

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx?GID=dJIVbi7tk9U+V/3RDjSQ0O5QtYTzStVsB8Uu7s8PBOU%3D

Thanks handsome:smile:

magnolia

02-16-2009, 04:41 PM

Stepson from what I understand.

But I don't like to repeat gossip

So listen close the first time!

:laugh:

I don't know what you're talking about but this comment made me laugh. :laugh:

crymeariver2006

02-16-2009, 04:41 PM

So the cousing that visited with Misti's brother that Monday afternoon is or is not the same SO's that is missing. Do we know???? IMO

No, Misty's brother is not an RSO (not that we've heard anyway). IIRC, the brother and his children were at the house on Monday afternoon.

The missing RSO is not related to Misty, Ron, Crystal, or anybody else in the family that we're aware of.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 04:42 PM

So the cousing that visited with Misti's brother that Monday afternoon is or is not the same SO's that is missing. Do we know???? IMO

2 different ones...

JD1974

02-16-2009, 04:43 PM

Under the statute he was charged with, it could include the THREAT of harming someone. He could have told someone he was going to kick their butt - & if they believed it & believed he meant it & believed he had the ability to do it, he could be charged.

Here is EXACTLY how it reads & this is from the 2001 statutes, which is the year he was charged...

The 2001 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
Crimes Chapter 784
Assault; Battery; Culpable Negligence View Entire Chapter

784.011 Assault.--

(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Go to the main page here, then look it up.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=67213136&CFTOKEN=49607662

Yes some people confuse assault with battery, battery is the actual striking of a person, even if someone spits on someone else that can be battery.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 04:45 PM

No it's not the same person. The each have different names.

I think Misty's cousin is SOMETHING LIKE Pruitt, not exactly sure on the spelling.

The sexual predator they're looking for has the surname of Reynolds. He's 25 yrs old. There's a link in the links thread about him title of that link is Search For Haleigh Moves South

Cousin last name is Padgett...I believe..

desmom

02-16-2009, 04:45 PM

The reason why I don't think it was a stranger is because of the light and the brick propping the door open.

That doesn't seem like something a stranger would do. But, of course, I could be wrong.

If Misty didn't leave it on accidentally, then I am with you. I think whoever turned on the light did it out of habit....kind of like when you know the power is off and you still hit the light switch when you enter a room.

It maybe why in the presser LE would not comment when asked if they had interviewed previous tenants.

jmo

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:47 PM

Yes and it may very well be the remnants of the child custody nightmare he went through. He`s probably somewhat guarded about choices he has made including Misty living there to begin with. Then there is the gun and the cousin being in that home.He may have lost his daughter for good........who knows what will follow concerning his son. For the moment he is standing by his choices.

You're right. And he's not off the hook either about Misty living with him so that could cost him custody of Jr. At least that's what an attorney was opining last night on Geraldo's show. MOO

emdragon

02-16-2009, 04:51 PM

You're right. And he's not off the hook either about Misty living with him so that could cost him custody of Jr. At least that's what an attorney was opining last night on Geraldo's show. MOO

If Misti was going to effect his custody wouldn't that have already happened since we know it was reported protective services had, had contact with them.

Zeus

02-16-2009, 04:51 PM

You're right. And he's not off the hook either about Misty living with him so that could cost him custody of Jr. At least that's what an attorney was opining last night on Geraldo's show. MOO
Time for everyone to start getting attorneys. Here we go again.

Armchairdet

02-16-2009, 04:54 PM

If Misty didn't leave it on accidentally, then I am with you. I think whoever turned on the light did it out of habit....kind of like when you know the power is off and you still hit the light switch when you enter a room.

It maybe why in the presser LE would not comment when asked if they had interviewed previous tenants.

jmo

I had a thought on the light as well. Say for instance the person taking the child was not working alone. They could have propped open the door, located the child, and then perhaps turned on the light to signal someone to pull up in a car once they had the child. Also in a sense it would give them a little more time in theory, because if someone woke up and the light was on inside, they could not see what was going on outside.

IMO

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 04:54 PM

If Misty didn't leave it on accidentally, then I am with you. I think whoever turned on the light did it out of habit....kind of like when you know the power is off and you still hit the light switch when you enter a room.

It maybe why in the presser LE would not comment when asked if they had interviewed previous tenants.

jmoMisty's stories have been so inconsistant, it's hard to say what happened. It's either really frustrating for LE to try to get a true picture of what exactly happened from the time she discovered her missing to the time she called 911, or they know much more than has been reported.

Probably the latter.

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 04:55 PM

The reason why I don't think it was a stranger is because of the light and the brick propping the door open.

That doesn't seem like something a stranger would do. But, of course, I could be wrong.

The light on in the kitchen bothers me too, Pickle. I can see the door being propped open if the person was familiar with the house and knew the door would stick sometimes and might cause more noise than they wanted.

I don't know, it could be either way. I still hope and pray little Haleigh is alive and they find her. It's got to be a nightmare.

:sad:

Mimi428

02-16-2009, 04:55 PM

Referring to your own terminology.... There is accusations at lenght about Ron's temper and threats in there. [sic]

These are accusations only IMO and when they were presented in the custody battle, the judge still sent the children to Ron IMO. :sneaky:

I will again reiterate the lack of follow-thru on the part of the mother concerning the doctors from Haleigh and the hormone therapy to Butter Bean and the CARDIOLOGIST. JMO

Yep, insofar as I could tell, the judge considered the accusations against Ron & also considered the documented evidence against Crystal repeatedly failing to take Haleigh to scheduled appts with the endocrinologist & cardiologist & then factored in some other stuff & made the decision that the better odds for the children were for them to be with their father.

JMO

5boxersmom

02-16-2009, 04:55 PM

I am confused about a few things.

If LE suspects the cousin that Misty mentioned why is there not a bolo out on him? Why is LE not even telling his name? Does he have a car? Why no description of the car?

starling

02-16-2009, 04:56 PM

The reason why I don't think it was a stranger is because of the light and the brick propping the door open.

That doesn't seem like something a stranger would do. But, of course, I could be wrong.

Unless they came in the front door & left through the back door.. carrying a sleeping bundle..a door proped open & a light would help the perp.
After Elizabeth Smart...Jessica Lunsford anything is open for consideration, unfortunately.

JMO

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:56 PM

Time for everyone to start getting attorneys. Here we go again.

No it was just a guest on Geraldo's show (in the studio) not somebody representing anybody involved in the case. :)

CC I See

02-16-2009, 04:57 PM

That is the big question on my mind. And this RSO creep infatuated that home well enough to steal a gun???.......That just blows me away!... we have no idea how he felt about it if he knew. Like I stated earlier, it depends on his personal values whether certain behavior is acceptable or not and if it was a big deal or not. Some people can excuse anything, if it's family.

Zeus

02-16-2009, 04:57 PM

I think lenny will tell us what happened tonight on NG

Perfect, Mr. Lucky

sunstar

02-16-2009, 04:58 PM

I think lenny will tell us what happened tonight on NG

Because today is a holiday, I thought Nancy was going to have something pre-recorded on Caylee's case. At least that's what I saw advertised on HLN.

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 04:58 PM

The history of a violent temper is a misdemeanor assault

snipping to address: a violent temper, whether misdemeanor, or not can get your child taken away. Where was CPS.

Sorry, just logging on for the day. JMO.

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 04:59 PM

Because today is a holiday, I thought Nancy was going to have something pre-recorded on Caylee's case. At least that's what I saw advertised on HLN.

Correct. JMO.

ConchGirl

02-16-2009, 04:59 PM

I think lenny will tell us what happened tonight on NG

If Lenny really cared he'd bring in his motorhome for Ron & Misty to stay in. :wink:

sunstar

02-16-2009, 05:01 PM

Unless they came in the front door & left through the back door.. carrying a sleeping bundle..a door proped open & a light would help the perp.
After Elizabeth Smart...anything is open for consideration, unfortunately.

JMO

I've seen video of the house, including this porch like area on the side of the mobile home where there's a door with a screen door and a car parked by it. I've heard it called the back door on tv last night. I had thought it was the front door, that would go into the living room. Was the reporter wrong or what? :confused:

emdragon

02-16-2009, 05:02 PM

The light on in the kitchen bothers me too, Pickle. I can see the door being propped open if the person was familiar with the house and knew the door would stick sometimes and might cause more noise than they wanted.

I don't know, it could be either way. I still hope and pray little Haleigh is alive and they find her. It's got to be a nightmare.

:sad:

you know we don't really know all the details, such as where exactly the kitchen door is located- it might be that you can not see the light being on in the kitchen from inside the bedroom or of course there is always the possibility that the bedroom door was closed or partially closed.

Zeus

02-16-2009, 05:02 PM

No it was just a guest on Geraldo's show (in the studio) not somebody representing anybody involved in the case. :)

I saw that. So far he's the only one that needs an attorney before speaking. :lol:

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 05:02 PM

I know for a fact the when people fight over their kids nothing is off the table and will make up accusations with no proof.

ITA, now have you read the HEARING TRANSCRIPT from December 27, 2005?

In this transcript of the hearing that took place it's clear that Ron and Crystal were on the same page concerning her NOT taking care of the medical appointments. Ron even gave her a choice about getting Butter Bean to him the night before and he would take him for the diagnosis or that she could before the hearing.

Crystal didn't even do that. She knew that diagnosis was necessary and still chose not to go.

Add to that she admitted she sometimes didn't feel like getting out of bed herself on the fifteen appointments she missed with Haleigh.

These things are documented here.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

jmo

emdragon

02-16-2009, 05:03 PM

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:03 PM

If Lenny really cared he'd bring in his motorhome for Ron & Misty to stay in. :wink:

Can I ask why he should do that? JMO. Should Tim Miller also bring in a motor home? Should you and I pay for a hotel? We could always take up a collection. I think they prefer the "tent". JMO.

desmom

02-16-2009, 05:03 PM

I had a thought on the light as well. Say for instance the person taking the child was not working alone. They could have propped open the door, located the child, and then perhaps turned on the light to signal someone to pull up in a car once they had the child. Also in a sense it would give them a little more time in theory, because if someone woke up and the light was on inside, they could not see what was going on outside.

IMO

Why not flip on the outside light or use a small flashlight?

Your post got me to thinking. Why would the a perp use the side (back) door to exit? LE has said several times there are no signs of forced entry. Did the perp come in the front door and leave by the back? Was the front door locked? I don't remember hearing anything about the front door being locked. If the front door wasn't locked, why was there such a big deal of Ron checking the back door every night before he went to work?

jmo

Mamie

02-16-2009, 05:03 PM

That is the big question on my mind. And this RSO creep infatuated that home well enough to steal a gun???.......That just blows me away!

I'm sorry, Tree, can you explain your second sentence? I'm confused. TIA, dear. (bolding mine, I've been trying to think of another word but keep coming up empty handed.)

sunstar

02-16-2009, 05:04 PM

That's what I am asking- if there was a cousin at the house that day- was it this cousin? It was posted by us earlier as far as his SO sheet but I guess I am asking for clarification of WHO is Misti saying was at the house that day. IMO

I thought it was Misty's brother and his kids who were at the house around 5pm last Monday. :smile:

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 05:04 PM

playnice

02-16-2009, 05:04 PM

HHN Mike Brooks talking about Heleigh. Talking about Chad Reynolds. May have ties to Putman county.Not a suspect but want to question him.

(Thought they said he has family in LE but I could have misunderstood.)

missinglink

02-16-2009, 05:05 PM

The light on in the kitchen bothers me too, Pickle. I can see the door being propped open if the person was familiar with the house and knew the door would stick sometimes and might cause more noise than they wanted.

I don't know, it could be either way. I still hope and pray little Haleigh is alive and they find her. It's got to be a nightmare.

:sad:

I don't know, but maybe it's possible that Haleigh had gotten up in the middle of the night and turned the light in the kitchen on herself. Maybe she wanted a drink of water or something.

I'm hoping that LE took fingerprints of the light switch. They might not have been able to get a clear print, though. What would be damaging, though, is if the light switch had been wiped clean, and that there were NO prints. JMO.

Armchairdet

02-16-2009, 05:05 PM

Why not flip on the outside light or use a small flashlight?

Your post got me to thinking. Why would the a perp use the side (back) door to exit? LE has said several times there are no signs of forced entry. Did the perp come in the front door and leave by the back? Was the front door locked? I don't remember hearing anything about the front door being locked. If the front door wasn't locked, why was there such a big deal of Ron checking the back door every night before he went to work?

jmo

I did find it curious that a door that was kept locked most of the time would be carefully checked on a regular basis. IMO

As to why not flipping on an outside light, I don't know. But since it was an inside light that was on I was doing my speculation based on that IMO.

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:06 PM

desmom

02-16-2009, 05:06 PM

That's what I am asking- if there was a cousin at the house that day- was it this cousin? It was posted by us earlier as far as his SO sheet but I guess I am asking for clarification of WHO is Misti saying was at the house that day. IMO

I thought Misty's brother and her nephews visited Monday.

I don't think I am this confused with all the doc dumps in Caylee's case.

jmo

sunstar

02-16-2009, 05:07 PM

The door where the car was is the front door the back door has a handicapped ramp.

So the back door is actually at the end of the mobile home, correct? It looks like it's kind of blocked by a tree top in the photo. If so, that's what I thought but what the reporter said last night confused me when he was talking about the back door and showing video of door on the side of the m/h.

Mamie

02-16-2009, 05:07 PM

Why not flip on the outside light or use a small flashlight?

Your post got me to thinking. Why would the a perp use the side (back) door to exit? LE has said several times there are no signs of forced entry. Did the perp come in the front door and leave by the back? Was the front door locked? I don't remember hearing anything about the front door being locked. If the front door wasn't locked, why was there such a big deal of Ron checking the back door every night before he went to work?

jmo

Great questions! I wonder if Ron knew that Misti goes to bed without checking the doors to make sure they are locked. On his nights off, maybe he picked up on this or he just knows this about her. Some people don't check their doors. Mine are always locked even in the day time when I'm home, and if I think I locked one but I'm not sure, I go check it again anyway to make sure. But maybe that's just me.

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 05:07 PM

Unless they came in the front door & left through the back door.. carrying a sleeping bundle..a door proped open & a light would help the perp.
After Elizabeth Smart...Jessica Lunsford anything is open for consideration, unfortunately.

JMOI didn't follow those cases like I have been following the Anthony case and this missing child search. I heard about them but don't know the details of either abduction.

CANDYKISSES

02-16-2009, 05:08 PM

snipping to address: a violent temper, whether misdemeanor, or not can get your child taken away. Where was CPS.

Sorry, just logging on for the day. JMO.

They were probably checking on the doctor's visits that the mother couldn't make, maybe read that transcript today while you're here. JMO.:biggrin:

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:09 PM

I don't know, but maybe it's possible that Haleigh had gotten up in the middle of the night and turned the light in the kitchen on herself. Maybe she wanted a drink of water or something.

I'm hoping that LE took fingerprints of the light switch. They might not have been able to get a clear print, though. What would be damaging, though, is if the light switch had been wiped clean, and that there were NO prints. JMO.

She was afraid of the dark. No way would she wonder around a dark house by herself. JMO.

Mamie

02-16-2009, 05:10 PM

Obviously she was taken out the "front" door, which was propped open with a cinder block. JMO.

They have said that it was the back screen door that was propped open with the cinder block, not the front.

Zeus

02-16-2009, 05:10 PM

Can I ask why he should do that? JMO. Should Tim Miller also bring in a motor home? Should you and I pay for a hotel? We could always take up a collection. I think they prefer the "tent". JMO.

He put up a substantial reward so why not offer the use of his motor home since he wants to be involved in this case too? I don't think anyone expects him to but it certainly would be a thoughtful gesture.

desmom

02-16-2009, 05:10 PM

I've seen video of the house, including this porch like area on the side of the mobile home where there's a door with a screen door and a car parked by it. I've heard it called the back door on tv last night. I had thought it was the front door, that would go into the living room. Was the reporter wrong or what? :confused:

Ron said the door with the ramp was blocked open. The front door does not have a ramp.

IMO, front of house. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/desmom-2007/Housefront.jpg

Back of house: http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/desmom-2007/backofhouse2.jpg

The small picture shows the hand rail for the ramp http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/desmom-2007/backofhouse.jpg

jmo

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:11 PM

CC I See

02-16-2009, 05:12 PM

Great questions! I wonder if Ron knew that Misti goes to bed without checking the doors to make sure they are locked. On his nights off, maybe he picked up on this or he just knows this about her. Some people don't check their doors. Mine are always locked even in the day time when I'm home, and if I think I locked one but I'm not sure, I go check it again anyway to make sure. But maybe that's just me.

.... I am wondering about that side door. When Misti's brother and nephews were visiting and the kids were playing could they have unlocked and opened that door. Then when Misti went to bed, the door was not checked since she thought it still locked from when Ron locked it before he left.

In the Lunsford case, Couey was able to gain entrance becasue a door was left unlocked.... there was no forced entry.

jakee

02-16-2009, 05:12 PM

Obviously she was taken out the "front" door, which was propped open with a cinder block. JMO.

Oh man now I am all confused. I thought it was the back door propped open, not the front?

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:12 PM

ITA, now have you read the HEARING TRANSCRIPT from December 27, 2005?

In this transcript of the hearing that took place it's clear that Ron and Crystal were on the same page concerning her NOT taking care of the medical appointments. Ron even gave her a choice about getting Butter Bean to him the night before and he would take him for the diagnosis or that she could before the hearing.

Crystal didn't even do that. She knew that diagnosis was necessary and still chose not to go.

Add to that she admitted she sometimes didn't feel like getting out of bed herself on the fifteen appointments she missed with Haleigh.

These things are documented here.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

jmo

Link doesn't work for me. A synopsis would be greatly appreciated. :sad:

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 05:12 PM

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:13 PM

Obviously she was taken out the "front" door, which was propped open with a cinder block. JMO.

It was the back (side) door, not the front..

missinglink

02-16-2009, 05:13 PM

She was afraid of the dark. No way would she wonder around a dark house by herself. JMO.

Yeah, I had thought about that Dun. If she was afraid, it seems like they would have left some night lights on or something. JMO. Maybe they did.

It would be interesting though to know if the kitchen light switch might be wiped clean.

What do you think?

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:14 PM

Oh man now I am all confused. I thought it was the back door propped open, not the front?

I was.........

playnice

02-16-2009, 05:14 PM

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:15 PM

What Im thinking about Chad since he is no stranger to Putman county is he may have met another one in prison and became friends and went to his house.
I hope they find him so they can at least rule him out.

I hope so too..I also hope Padgett is found too....

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:15 PM

Oh man now I am all confused. I thought it was the back door propped open, not the front?

My understanding is that the front of the double has a screened in porch with three stairs going down. That door was propped with a cement block. The "side door" probably does stay dead boalted because no one uses it.

Geez, no wonder LE has called off the search. Bunch of "hooey" coming from this family.

desmom

02-16-2009, 05:16 PM

Great questions! I wonder if Ron knew that Misti goes to bed without checking the doors to make sure they are locked. On his nights off, maybe he picked up on this or he just knows this about her. Some people don't check their doors. Mine are always locked even in the day time when I'm home, and if I think I locked one but I'm not sure, I go check it again anyway to make sure. But maybe that's just me.

Very few lock doors around here and most of the cars have the keys in the ignition. Let a stranger drive down the street and before he gets the six blocks to the end of town, everyone knows there is a stranger in town. LOL!

I do find it odd Ron made a point of stating he checks that lock everyday before he goes to work. Why?

jmo

Zeus

02-16-2009, 05:16 PM

I thought it was Misty's brother and his kids who were at the house around 5pm last Monday. :smile:

You're right.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 05:17 PM

So if they (RC and Misti) have only been together for 5 months then that is a pretty recent investigation. IMO... and if that is so then it looks like they have no problem with him living with a 16 and now 17 year old girl since the kids are still with them or was until Haleigh disappeared.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:17 PM

I do feel sorry for Ron..I don't think he had anything to do with her disapperance....I'm still not sold on the g/f yet though...

lune3

02-16-2009, 05:18 PM

If someone took her, I'm leaning on the cousin...He has been to the house, knew the routine of Ron...The other guy that is missing, unless he knew them too, he would not have known that there wasn't somebody sitting at the kitchen table with a shotgun when he went in, so I'm leaning towards the cousin Padgett..MO

Has it been determined that this James Arthur Padgett that's on the Tenessee RSO list is indeed related to the Padgett couple who are family and trying to make their way to Florida?

Seems there are potentially 3 SOs....the missing guy we have no name for, the cousin who molested Misty when she was 13, and who stole the gun, and Padgett. Is the cousin indeed Padgett?

Sorry, trying to catch up...just skimmed the last 12 or so pages and may have missed it.

Is Padgett the cousin?

i_pickle

02-16-2009, 05:18 PM

I would bet money that they know 10 times more than what they are telling the public (at the very least).

As for the difficulty in following Misty's stories, I would also bet money that if every active poster on this website was told to write out, on ONE try only:

a complete narrative of the last 24 hours of their life...
with minute-by-minute descriptions of certain portions of the day...

that over 80% of the narratives would have just as many sections that would be hard to follow.

I think the willingness to assign malice to responses where the explanation could just as easily be panic, stress, ignorance or other confusion is terribly unfair to a whole lot of folks caught up in nightmares that are not of their own making.

JMOYou'll get no argument from me that Misty was under extreme distress and I'm sure LE kept asking questions until they had a clear picture in their minds what happened. I'm also sure that it's frustrating trying to get to that point...with Misty as well as the thousands of others they question.

What I missed was anyone "assigning malice" to anyone. Could you clear that up for me?

playnice

02-16-2009, 05:18 PM

I have opened doors before with cc when I forgot my key. (Not where I live now) so I think its possible this person came in the front door, opened the back and propped it so they could get out. They grabbed Heliegh and Misti started waking up so they flipped on the light and ran off with Haliegh.

CC I See

02-16-2009, 05:18 PM

And bug it.......LOLHasn't Lenny been REALLY quiet about this case??

Zeus

02-16-2009, 05:18 PM

My understanding is that the front of the double has a screened in porch with three stairs going down. That door was propped with a cement block. The "side door" probably does stay dead boalted because no one uses it.

Geez, no wonder LE has called off the search. Bunch of "hooey" coming from this family.

Just because some people don't understand what these people mean by front door and back door doesn't mean there's 'hooey' coming from the FAMILY.

kitty1182

02-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Has it been determined that this James Arthur Padgett that's on the Tenessee RSO list is indeed related to the Padgett couple who are family and trying to make their way to Florida?

Seems there are potentially 3 SOs....the missing guy we have no name for, the cousin who molested Misty when she was 13, and who stole the gun, and Padgett. Is the cousin indeed Padgett?

Sorry, trying to catch up...just skimmed the last 12 or so pages and may have missed it.

Is Padgett the cousin?

Yes, he is the cousin....

Mandysmom

02-16-2009, 05:19 PM

you know we don't really know all the details, such as where exactly the kitchen door is located- it might be that you can not see the light being on in the kitchen from inside the bedroom or of course there is always the possibility that the bedroom door was closed or partially closed.

You're right. I also have a dimmer light that I turn on at night in my kitchen so that my fur baby can see to get to her water dish.

I used to leave all of the lights off, but when it became hard for her to see, I began to turn that light on instead of the overhead bright one.

JD1974

02-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Deb7

02-16-2009, 05:20 PM

Very few lock doors around here and most of the cars have the keys in the ignition. Let a stranger drive down the street and before he gets the six blocks to the end of town, everyone knows there is a stranger in town. LOL!

I do find it odd Ron made a point of stating he checks that lock everyday before he goes to work. Why?

jmo

I find it odd too. Especially when he mentioned how hard it is to open the lock when he was saying that Haleigh couldn't have opened it herself. So, why would you check it everyday if no one really uses the door and you have no fear of your kids messing with it? Just odd.

JMO

Dunlurken

02-16-2009, 05:20 PM

I do feel sorry for Ron..I don't think he had anything to do with her disapperance....I'm still not sold on the g/f yet though...

I'm not "sold" on Misty either. Can't even string a whole sentence together. JMO.

missinglink

02-16-2009, 05:21 PM

Very few lock doors around here and most of the cars have the keys in the ignition. Let a stranger drive down the street and before he gets the six blocks to the end of town, everyone knows there is a stranger in town. LOL!

I do find it odd Ron made a point of stating he checks that lock everyday before he goes to work. Why?

jmo

Maybe not Ron, but I kind of have OCD, LOL! I'm getting better, but I used to check my stove and oven about 50 times a night, before I turned in for the night, even if I hadn't used it all day.

And I used to check my locks over and over. Call me crazy, but I HAVE gotten better. :tonguewag::biggrin: Now, I only check things about 5 times! And I count blocks, steps, etc. I know, I'm nuts.

lune3

02-16-2009, 05:21 PM

Yes, he is the cousin....

Thank you.

Is Chad the unrelated SO guy who is missing?

sunstar

02-16-2009, 05:21 PM

TY- this is why I am asking. This morning posters were talking about cousin (s) being at the home with the brother. Then I see posts of an SO that is a cousin, from TN, and has stolen from RC before. If it were Misti's brother then it would be her neices and nephews (his children) and not a cousin. Just looking for clarification.... IMO

I completely understand the confusion! :smile: