Sunday Feb.15 #1

[jammies]

Praying we hear some good news today.

God Bless little Haleigh.

[mariah79]

Here is my take on the light in the kitchen being on. It could be as simple as Misti forgot to turn it off. Maybe after she got Haleigh's blanket out of the drier she meant to turn it off but didn't. Her mind could of been so focused on getting that blanket on Haleigh, while it was still warm from the drier, she forgot. Which could explain why she was surprised when she got up to go to the bathroom to see it on. I know there have been times I have meant to turn off a light only to be surprised to see it still on later.

[jammies]

If Misty could sleep through an abduction that happened 2 ft away from her, she could sleep through Haleigh getting up, turning on the light and walking out the door.


I don't think the door was locked. Anyone could have come in or gone out. IMO

Can't see an abductor turning on lights. Misty either left the light on or one of the kids got up.

Or none of the above~ Sounds like LE is as clueless about this as we are :sad:

[callmetree]

i'm just hoping they find this child. did any of you hear george say that this family ... needs him.? it made me feel sick. just where was he when his own grandcnild missing?:confused:

[BJames]

My first thought about the kitchen light still being on was that maybe it was left on from before they all went to sleep?
For anyone (fairly) local?
What time does it actually get dark enough there that the inside lights have to be turned on to see?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...I am in Canada at the tail end of 'winter' here, I have no idea what time it would get dark enough there in Florida.

Thanks again...

[Elvish2]

My first thought about the kitchen light still being on was that maybe it was left on from before they all went to sleep?
For anyone (fairly) local?
What time does it actually get dark enough there that the inside lights have to be turned on to see?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...I am in Canada at the tail end of 'winter' here, I have no idea what time it would get dark enough there in Florida.

Thanks again...

Good morning all. BJames, I beleive that Florida is the same as EST in Canada. In Ontario, we are in the same time as them, so I assume the same times for sunrise-sunset. IMO

[SavannahStar]

My first thought about the kitchen light still being on was that maybe it was left on from before they all went to sleep?
For anyone (fairly) local?
What time does it actually get dark enough there that the inside lights have to be turned on to see?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...I am in Canada at the tail end of 'winter' here, I have no idea what time it would get dark enough there in Florida.

Thanks again...


Sunset is around 6:30 p.m. right now in FL.

[5swab5]

Good Morning, Just checking, hoping for some good news.

Is Equusearch still there? I thought I read that he had to leave for another case for a day or so. TIA

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I know LE is now saying that the items found are of no signifcance but yet they won't say what they found. Could it be they're testing those items and not telling the public yet. I think they're keeping a lot close to their vests in this case. I would assume that by now they would've gotten fingerprints back. The cinder block fingerprints and whatever else they could get from the home.

Why haven't they allowed the family back in the home?

[n/t]

Good Morning, Just checking, hoping for some good news.

Is Equusearch still there? I thought I read that he had to leave for another case for a day or so. TIA


Not sure if TES is still there but this article says:

"The land search will resume Sunday, but the water search will be suspended unless further information is developed, said Chief Rick Ryan of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office."

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning,

I know LE is now saying that the items found are of no signifcance but yet they won't say what they found. Could it be they're testing those items and not telling the public yet. I think they're keeping a lot close to their vests in this case. I would assume that by now they would've gotten fingerprints back. The cinder block fingerprints and whatever else they could get from the home.

Why haven't they allowed the family back in the home?

Morning!!

Not allowing the family back in the home has me wondering what is up. It's been almost a week. I've never seen the family of a missing child have to stay out of their home for so long.

[n/t]

Good lord. I've never seen so many inconsistencies. Is the media getting it wrong or are the stories changing?

I was always under the impression that Misti was the one who got up to use the bathroom and not Haleigh. Which one is it? :confused:

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The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

[n/t]

Morning!!

Not allowing the family back in the home has me wondering what is up. It's been almost a week. I've never seen the family of a missing child have to stay out of their home for so long.


Could be because their stories keep changing every day on different shows. It's no wonder they were told NOT to speak to the media anymore. :huh:

[n/t]

Also, dad says there were no custody issues but yet.....

"Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been investigations by a social services agency involving Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother Junior, according to Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose. He wouldn't elaborate."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

[Barbara fl.]

Here is my take on the light in the kitchen being on. It could be as simple as Misti forgot to turn it off. Maybe after she got Haleigh's blanket out of the drier she meant to turn it off but didn't. Her mind could of been so focused on getting that blanket on Haleigh, while it was still warm from the drier, she forgot. Which could explain why she was surprised when she got up to go to the bathroom to see it on. I know there have been times I have meant to turn off a light only to be surprised to see it still on later.



The only problem I see with that is if the light had been on all along...the intruder would have thought twice to enter the house....JMOO

[Katt2]

I have something I would like to toss out.
Let me preface it by saying that I am not accusing the father of anything in any way.
It seems strange to me that Misti says Hayleigh had wet the bed and her Mom says she didn't know of her to wet the bed.
Bed wetting is a classic sign of sexual abuse. Is it possible this child was being abused by someone and it became known to another person and that person "rescued" Hayleigh? Probably far fetched on my part but so much doesn't make sense to me.

[msgatorslayer]

Good lord. I've never seen so many inconsistencies. Is the media getting it wrong or are the stories changing?

I was always under the impression that Misti was the one who got up to use the bathroom and not Haleigh. Which one is it? :confused:

----


The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

I've followed many cases and in the first day or so, the media has been known to report things that are not entirely accurate. By now though, in this case, things should definately be right.

I think each media outlet is reporting what they hear. And things are inconsistant with what the players are saying.

I clearly remember Misti saying she never got a change to use the bathroom cause she noticed the light on and then the back door open.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. The blanket stuff has me curious. I am wondering if when Misti was back in the laundry area, by the door, she was smoking and propped the door open to allow the smoke to go outside. Then, when the blanket was done, simply forgot about the open door. This would explain the door, but of course not who entered thru it and took Haleigh.....if anyone from the outside did.

[Barbara fl.]

I've followed many cases and in the first day or so, the media has been known to report things that are not entirely accurate. By now though, in this case, things should definately be right.

I think each media outlet is reporting what they hear. And things are inconsistant with what the players are saying.

I clearly remember Misti saying she never got a change to use the bathroom cause she noticed the light on and then the back door open.



Yes, that is the only story that I heard about her using the bathroom....the light on baffles me....because if she had left the light on I doubt that an intruder would have taken the chance in entering the house....jmo

[?noanswer]

Good lord. I've never seen so many inconsistencies. Is the media getting it wrong or are the stories changing?

I was always under the impression that Misti was the one who got up to use the bathroom and not Haleigh. Which one is it? :confused:

----


The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door of the mobile home they shared was open.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

I would guess the media got that wrong. I have not seen him say this in any interviews. JMO

[?noanswer]

Also, dad says there were no custody issues but yet.....

"Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been investigations by a social services agency involving Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother Junior, according to Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose. He wouldn't elaborate."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

That could have been done when the custody case was going on in 2005, but I don't know if it did. JMO

[n/t]

I would guess the media got that wrong. I have not seen him say this in any interviews. JMO

You would think FoxNews would get it right or at least change it before reporting it. The article was dated yesterday. :unsure:

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone. The blanket stuff has me curious. I am wondering if when Misti was back in the laundry area, by the door, she was smoking and propped the door open to allow the smoke to go outside. Then, when the blanket was done, simply forgot about the open door. This would explain the door, but of course not who entered thru it and took Haleigh.....if anyone from the outside did.


Good morning.....all that would be too coincidental...she forgot the light on, she inadvertently left the back door open and on this very night someone conveniently came in and took the child....

I would assume that if the back door was left open and a light was left on that the intruder would assume that someone other then the child was awake.....We are thinking of a child snatcher here...I doubt that one is that brave to confront an adult while trying to take a child...it just wouldn't fit there profile in my opinion......but I can be wrong...

I pray that Haleigh is ok....

[msgatorslayer]

Yes, that is the only story that I heard about her using the bathroom....the light on baffles me....because if she had left the light on I doubt that an intruder would have taken the chance in entering the house....jmo

Yeah, the light is baffling. If Misti accidentally left it on, you'd think it would deter someone from coming in. Especially if Misti also accidentally left the door propped open.

Would an intruder turn a light on him/herself and chance waking people up?

Bizarre!!!

[mariah79]

The only problem I see with that is if the light had been on all along...the intruder would have thought twice to enter the house....JMOO


Possibly, but if he has been watching them he knew who would be there. How much problem could Misti be to him depending on his size. He may of figured with those small children Misti would be asleep. Maybe her being asleep save her an the youngest life. Think Duncan. He killed a whole family to get to that little girl.

[?noanswer]

I have something I would like to toss out.
Let me preface it by saying that I am not accusing the father of anything in any way.
It seems strange to me that Misti says Hayleigh had wet the bed and her Mom says she didn't know of her to wet the bed.
Bed wetting is a classic sign of sexual abuse. Is it possible this child was being abused by someone and it became known to another person and that person "rescued" Hayleigh? Probably far fetched on my part but so much doesn't make sense to me.


Everything is getting muddled. Information is taken in tidbits from different sources. If all the players were together and had a chance to answer in context, then maybe the answers would make more sense. Also, the maternal grandmother has apologized for the things she has said about the family. I think that in the beginning the bio maternal side were saying things to make their side look better. Hopefully they will bury the hatchet and concentrate on finding Haleigh. JMO

[newsjunkie]

You know what? If my child were missing the LAST person I would want around me was the father of a baby killer.
Hope the Cummings family steers clear.


Cindy stopped by with George yesterday for a few minutes to offer Ron support barf

[n/t]

Good morning.....all that would be too coincidental...she forgot the light on, she inadvertently left the back door open and on this very night someone conveniently came in and took the child....

I would assume that if the back door was left open and a light was left on that the intruder would assume that someone other then the child was awake.....We are thinking of a child snatcher here...I doubt that one is that brave to confront an adult while trying to take a child...it just wouldn't fit there profile in my opinion......but I can be wrong...

I pray that Haleigh is ok....


Unless....the perp watched the home and knew that the only ones in the home were 2 small children and a teenager. Would he/she still take the chance of turning on a light? I don't know.

[Barbara fl.]

I have something I would like to toss out.
Let me preface it by saying that I am not accusing the father of anything in any way.
It seems strange to me that Misti says Hayleigh had wet the bed and her Mom says she didn't know of her to wet the bed.
Bed wetting is a classic sign of sexual abuse. Is it possible this child was being abused by someone and it became known to another person and that person "rescued" Hayleigh? Probably far fetched on my part but so much doesn't make sense to me.



What????? Bed wetting is a sign of sexual abuse? Where did you hear that from? All my grandchildren wet the bed...My 3 yr old grandson wets the bed if he is not taken to the bathroom just prior to going to bed....a child can dream of being on the toilet and wet himself....I have almost done that myself.....Sorry...there is absolutly no truth to that at all.....please lets not try and make it look like Haleigh has been being sexually abused...If anything the &*$#@ that took her might be...and thats what we need to focus on.....

[n/t]

Everything is getting muddled. Information is taken in tidbits from different sources. If all the players were together and had a chance to answer in context, then maybe they would make more sense. Also, the maternal grandmother has apologized for the things she has said about the family. I think that in the beginning the bio maternal side were saying things to make their side look better. Hopefully they will bury the hatchet and concentrate on finding Haleigh. JMO

It could also be a ploy to get them to tell them the real story.

What's that saying....

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Everything is getting muddled. Information is taken in tidbits from different sources. If all the players were together and had a chance to answer in context, then maybe the answers would make more sense. Also, the maternal grandmother has apologized for the things she has said about the family. I think that in the beginning the bio maternal side were saying things to make their side look better. Hopefully they will bury the hatchet and concentrate on finding Haleigh. JMO

I admire the Grandmother for doing that.

I seen enough mud slinging in the Duckett case between families that were divided.

[Barbara fl.]

Unless....the perp watched the home and knew that the only ones in the home were 2 small children and a teenager. Would he/she still take the chance of turning on a light? I don't know.



It just sound so doubtful to me....there are times when I might have a bad dream and I get up and put a light on in my living room...just so that someone would think that I'm awake....

A light on has always detered a break in (in most cases anyway) unless its a home invasion...but this was a home invasion...it was a kidnapping...and usually these creeps are not so brave....but thats JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Yeah, the light is baffling. If Misti accidentally left it on, you'd think it would deter someone from coming in. Especially if Misti also accidentally left the door propped open.

Would an intruder turn a light on him/herself and chance waking people up?

Bizarre!!!


Exactly....it doesn't make sense....

[Barbara fl.]

I admire the Grandmother for doing that.

I seen enough mud slinging in the Duckett case between families that were divided.



I was really hoping that this would happen...they need to be working together on this rather then apart.....

[Regina.Lampert]

What????? Bed wetting is a sign of sexual abuse? Where did you hear that from? All my grandchildren wet the bed...My 3 yr old grandson wets the bed if he is not taken to the bathroom just prior to going to bed....a child can dream of being on the toilet and wet himself....I have almost done that myself.....Sorry...there is absolutly no truth to that at all.....please lets not try and make it look like Haleigh has been being sexually abused...If anything the &*$#@ that took her might be...and thats what we need to focus on.....

Katt is only giving her theory, as we all are. Bed wetting can most certainly be a classic sign of sexual abuse.


Evidence of regressive bedwetting, incontinence, etc

http://www.sandf.org/articles/Signs.asp

[mariah79]

Good morning.....all that would be too coincidental...she forgot the light on, she inadvertently left the back door open and on this very night someone conveniently came in and took the child....

I would assume that if the back door was left open and a light was left on that the intruder would assume that someone other then the child was awake.....We are thinking of a child snatcher here...I doubt that one is that brave to confront an adult while trying to take a child...it just wouldn't fit there profile in my opinion......but I can be wrong...

I pray that Haleigh is ok....

It would be called a perfect storm. Misti forgets the door and the light and he goes for it. Couldn't resit the opportunity. These scum of the earth like to stakeout their victims.


Consider the size of Misti. How much problem would she be to a average size man?

[jammies]

Katt is only giving her theory, as we all are. Bed wetting can most certainly be a classic sign of sexual abuse.


Evidence of regressive bedwetting, incontinence, etc

http://www.sandf.org/articles/Signs.asp


It's also a sign of an immature bladder which is very common.

[crymeariver2006]

I would guess the media got that wrong. I have not seen him say this in any interviews. JMO

In one of his (early on) interviews with NG, Ron said that Misty "got up to use the restroom" (he used the word "restroom").

The police report says that Misty says she got up to "get a drink".

[magnolia]

What????? Bed wetting is a sign of sexual abuse? Where did you hear that from? All my grandchildren wet the bed...My 3 yr old grandson wets the bed if he is not taken to the bathroom just prior to going to bed....a child can dream of being on the toilet and wet himself....I have almost done that myself.....Sorry...there is absolutly no truth to that at all.....please lets not try and make it look like Haleigh has been being sexually abused...If anything the &*$#@ that took her might be...and thats what we need to focus on.....

Returning to regressive behaviors such as bed-wetting, thumb-sucking CAN be a sign of sexual abuse. This is only ONE indicator and is looked at when other signs are present and especially when a previously potty-trained child RETURNS to these behaviors.

[crymeariver2006]

Cindy stopped by with George yesterday for a few minutes to offer Ron support barf

Yes, and *rumor* (not confirmed) is that The Anthonys and KidFinders were asked to leave yesterday.

[msgatorslayer]

It would be called a perfect storm. Misti forgets the door and the light and he goes for it. Couldn't resit the opportunity. These scum of the earth like to stakeout their victims.


Consider the size of Misti. How much problem would she be to a average size man?

LE should also look for people in that neighborhood who have a history of breaking and entering.

While Couey was registered SO, he also have a history of breaking into homes. One time, breaking in, and, IIRC, trying to kiss a girl who was sleeping??? Anyone remember the specs on that?

His past clearly showed that walking into a home with sleeping adults didn't scare him.

[Barbara fl.]

Possibly, but if he has been watching them he knew who would be there. How much problem could Misti be to him depending on his size. He may of figured with those small children Misti would be asleep. Maybe her being asleep save her an the youngest life. Think Duncan. He killed a whole family to get to that little girl.


Your right...anything is possible....but think of it this way...if the person was that brazen, then why would he prop the screen door open for his escape? If the intruder propped the door open it was meant for the screen door not to slam shut and wake up anyone...otherwise he could just have kicked it open upon leaving....Why would someone take that precaution while putting a light on in the kitchen...usually a light being turned on would wake up someone automatically...I know when my granddaughter gets up to use the bathroom...as soon as she puts the hallway light on I wake up....on the other hand when she sometimes crawls in the bed with me during the night, I do not wake up all the time and find her there in the morning.....

But putting it together...light on, door propped open...child taken...all while someone was asleep near by.....sounds odd...but I guess it can happen...

[Themis]

My first thought about the kitchen light still being on was that maybe it was left on from before they all went to sleep?
For anyone (fairly) local?
What time does it actually get dark enough there that the inside lights have to be turned on to see?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...I am in Canada at the tail end of 'winter' here, I have no idea what time it would get dark enough there in Florida.

Thanks again...

Tonight, 2/15, Sunset is 6:16 P.M. EST (Eastern Standard Time)

She was last seen on Monday, 2/09. It is claimed she was put to bed at 8 P.M.; it was 64° F.

Misty claimed she went to bed around 10 P.M.; temp was 57° F.

2/10, 3:30 A.M. when it is claimed Cummings arrived home it was 50° F.


Courtesy of:
http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Satsuma.html

[Katt2]

What????? Bed wetting is a sign of sexual abuse? Where did you hear that from? All my grandchildren wet the bed...My 3 yr old grandson wets the bed if he is not taken to the bathroom just prior to going to bed....a child can dream of being on the toilet and wet himself....I have almost done that myself.....Sorry...there is absolutly no truth to that at all.....please lets not try and make it look like Haleigh has been being sexually abused...If anything the &*$#@ that took her might be...and thats what we need to focus on.....


The point I was making is that the bed wetting may have been a new occurance to Hayleigh and that can suggest sexual abuse.
Why is my point of view not any more valid that any other?

Several clues are associated with sexual abuse as opposed to normal development (but many children give no clues except what they say):


Genital infections, redness, or discharge
Burning with urination
Urinary tract infection
The new onset of either bed-wetting or stool problems
Sudden increased sexuality with peers, animals, or objects
Seductive behavior
Age-inappropriate sexual knowledge
Regression
Other dramatic behavior changes

http://www.drgreene.com/21_792.html

[ortiga]

Good morning everyone.

I know this was posted yesterday, but now it's on internet for anyone who didn't see it on TV. Get your kleenex handy.

http://abcnews.go.com/

Children of the mountains video listed on top RH corner

parts 1-6

[sofiesmom]

i'm just hoping they find this child. did any of you hear george say that this family ... needs him.? it made me feel sick. just where was he when his own grandcnild missing?:confused:That's what I thought I heard, too. Then I heard a shorter snippet of the same sound bite, and didn't hear the "needs him" part, so I thought I must have heard wrong earlier. But you heard it too, so it is confirmed. I didn't know what to think about that . Is George having delusions of grandeur? Or is he just saying that since he has recently been through a similar thing, he can provide comfort and insight? (though I think NOTHING could be similar to Casey and Caylee's demise)

[crymeariver2006]

Could be because their stories keep changing every day on different shows. It's no wonder they were told NOT to speak to the media anymore. :huh:

Yesterday the sheriff at the news conference was asked about that and he said that no one in LE has told anybody not to speak to the media.

:shrug:

Ron may have made his own decision after being asked repeatedly by the media about the various "discrepancies".

IMO

[Barbara fl.]

LE should also look for people in that neighborhood who have a history of breaking and entering.

While Couey was registered SO, he also have a history of breaking into homes. One time, breaking in, and, IIRC, trying to kiss a girl who was sleeping??? Anyone remember the specs on that?

His past clearly showed that walking into a home with sleeping adults didn't scare him.


I agree...I agree...and I agree 150%....this is someone close by there home....this house was being watched...no doubt about it....This person knew when the father went to work and returned.....

As for Couey, I remember the story but don't remember the details....And I believe that things like that happen all the time....However, I don't recall anyone ever being so brazen as to put a light on....The only person that would do such a thing is someone that might not be familiar with the inside of the house and maybe think that the children were in there completely alone.....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Katt is only giving her theory, as we all are. Bed wetting can most certainly be a classic sign of sexual abuse.


Evidence of regressive bedwetting, incontinence, etc

http://www.sandf.org/articles/Signs.asp


But one can not generalize on such a thing.....children all the time wet the bed...if all bed wetters were thought to have been molested...just about every child would be taken away from their parents....so I can not see that being considered here....the child is missing and was taken by some perv...we should always look at the father as being a child molester...that was my point in refuting the statement.....jmo

[jewel6]

This sex offender is listed as having lived in all the towns that haileighs bio mother lived in. mcclenney and glen st mary. JMO

[jammies]

This sex offender is listed as having lived in all the towns that haileighs bio mother lived in. mcclenney and glen st mary. JMO


Which one,jewel? The missing RSO?

[crymeariver2006]

Which one,jewel? The missing RSO?

No, not the missing one.

[Themis]

I've followed many cases and in the first day or so, the media has been known to report things that are not entirely accurate. By now though, in this case, things should definately be right.

I think each media outlet is reporting what they hear. And things are inconsistant with what the players are saying.

I clearly remember Misti saying she never got a change to use the bathroom cause she noticed the light on and then the back door open.

I think some of the problems are due to:

1. TV people in studios (like Nancy Grace and Greta V.S.) all have those ear pieces and are often being fed info via those ear mikes while at the same time trying to listen to answers from the people they are interviewing. They can repeat what they heard incorrectly and don't get corrected by the interviewees. And then the misinformation can appear in rush transcripts which then become 'facts.'

2. Way too much use of pronouns by all concerned. He could have been talking about Haleigh one minute; then switched to talking about Misty going to the bathroom and used 'she' instead of Misty. Reporters scribbling quickly don't catch the switch and it gets written up later incorrectly. It is a common problem; even happens here.

[Barbara fl.]

The point I was making is that the bed wetting may have been a new occurance to Hayleigh and that can suggest sexual abuse.
Why is my point of view not any more valid that any other?

Several clues are associated with sexual abuse as opposed to normal development (but many children give no clues except what they say):


Genital infections, redness, or discharge
Burning with urination
Urinary tract infection
The new onset of either bed-wetting or stool problems
Sudden increased sexuality with peers, animals, or objects
Seductive behavior
Age-inappropriate sexual knowledge
Regression
Other dramatic behavior changes

http://www.drgreene.com/21_792.html


I certainly can see all that being signs....but just bed wetting...I can not see that...I make sure to take my grandson to the bathroom before going to bed or I will certainly find a pool in his bed when he wakes up...and I can assure you that there has never been any sexual abuse.

Some parents wont give there child anything to drink past a certain hour...I don't believe in that because I can not sleep if I am thirsty...so I wouldn't deprive a child from drinking, as long as you make that child use the bathroom before going to bed....it works for me...he will never wet the bed when he uses the bathroom just prior to going to sleep....

I didn't mean to upset you...but I just couldn't go there on that assumption....of bed wetting alone....jmo

[mariah79]

Your right...anything is possible....but think of it this way...if the person was that brazen, then why would he prop the screen door open for his escape? If the intruder propped the door open it was meant for the screen door not to slam shut and wake up anyone...otherwise he could just have kicked it open upon leaving....Why would someone take that precaution while putting a light on in the kitchen...usually a light being turned on would wake up someone automatically...I know when my granddaughter gets up to use the bathroom...as soon as she puts the hallway light on I wake up....on the other hand when she sometimes crawls in the bed with me during the night, I do not wake up all the time and find her there in the morning.....

But putting it together...light on, door propped open...child taken...all while someone was asleep near by.....sounds odd...but I guess it can happen...

*Bold by Me*

We have no idea how long he was in that home. He may of been in there long enough to look around. Saw them all asleep and decided to prop that door open for his escape. These are things are bold enough to grab kids off the street too. They like quick getaways.

Remember we are saying Misti may of left the light on before going to bed unintentionally I think the back door was left unlocked by accident.

[crymeariver2006]

This sex offender is listed as having lived in all the towns that haileighs bio mother lived in. mcclenney and glen st mary. JMO

Odd.

It seems to me (just thinkin' out loud here), IF this guy is the perp, wouldn't he have acted on a night when Crystal had Haleigh at her house? Or maybe he tried. Had he seen Haleigh when he lived there.

Of course, just because he lives in the same "town"....if he lived on the same street, or next door, or worked with Crystal or Chad, that might be a connection. (again, just thinkin' out loud)

IIRC, he also hasn't lived near Haleigh but about a month.

Interesting timing there.

[Katt2]

But one can not generalize on such a thing.....children all the time wet the bed...if all bed wetters were thought to have been molested...just about every child would be taken away from their parents....so I can not see that being considered here....the child is missing and was taken by some perv...we should always look at the father as being a child molester...that was my point in refuting the statement.....jmo


I am going to make one last comment on this subject and then drop it.
I did not say bed wetters in general!
In my first post I pointed out that Misti said she wet the bed and the mom said no. I associate that with a recent development in the child's behavior thus the thought on the abuse.
I also pointed out right from the start that I was NOT accusing or even suggesting the dad was abusing this child.
At least I am trying to stay O/T and not drag the Anthony family into a case they have nothing to do with. Just because they went and offered support has nothing to do with finding Hayleigh.

[Barbara fl.]

*Bold by Me*

We have no idea how long he was in that home. He may of been in there long enough to look around. Saw them all asleep and decided to prop that door open for his escape. These are things are bold enough to grab kids off the street too. They like quick getaways.

Remember we are saying Misti may of left the light on before going to bed unintentionally I think the back door was left unlocked by accident.


I'm not saying that all didn't happen...because you are certainly right...children are snatched right from there mothers hands sometimes in malls.....As old as I am, I believe I would be able to kill at that moment.....

I do believe that this perp lives in that area and watched that house on a regular bases....I sure hope they checked out all the neighbors homes and anyone who would refuse access, I would consider a suspect....because I would certainly let the police in my home to check every corner they wanted to just so they could continue their search for this child and quick....I keep thinking about poor "Jessica Lundsford".....it breaks my heart over and over again....

[crymeariver2006]

I am going to make one last comment on this subject and then drop it.
I did not say bed wetters in general!
In my first post I pointed out that Misti said she wet the bed and the mom said no. I associate that with a recent development in the child's behavior thus the thought on the abuse.I also pointed out right from the start that I was NOT accusing or even suggesting the dad was abusing this child.
At least I am trying to stay O/T and not drag the Anthony family into a case they have nothing to do with. Just because they went and offered support has nothing to do with finding Hayleigh.

*Bolding mine

Yes, but it could also be caused by a change in medications, a change in schedules, a change in babysitters, a disruption at school, moving to a different house.....

IMO, if she had regressed to bedwetting (provided she had stopped for at least a year prior), it would bear watching.

[Barbara fl.]

*Bold by Me*

We have no idea how long he was in that home. He may of been in there long enough to look around. Saw them all asleep and decided to prop that door open for his escape. These are things are bold enough to grab kids off the street too. They like quick getaways.

Remember we are saying Misti may of left the light on before going to bed unintentionally I think the back door was left unlocked by accident.


Also...you are correct in saying "they like QUICK" getaways....this just didn't seem too quick to me.....thats the part that is so puzzleing.....he/she seemed at ease enough to be doing all this....and not being in fear of Misty waking up.....that is what I find so odd....

[Regina.Lampert]

But one can not generalize on such a thing.....children all the time wet the bed...if all bed wetters were thought to have been molested...just about every child would be taken away from their parents....so I can not see that being considered here....the child is missing and was taken by some perv...we should always look at the father as being a child molester...that was my point in refuting the statement.....jmo

IMO, Katt was not generalizing.

[n/t]

I'm not saying that all didn't happen...because you are certainly right...children are snatched right from there mothers hands sometimes in malls.....As old as I am, I believe I would be able to kill at that moment.....

I do believe that this perp lives in that area and watched that house on a regular bases....I sure hope they checked out all the neighbors homes and anyone who would refuse access, I would consider a suspect....because I would certainly let the police in my home to check every corner they wanted to just so they could continue their search for this child and quick....I keep thinking about poor "Jessica Lundsford".....it breaks my heart over and over again....

According to LE everyone is a suspect at this point. They haven't ruled anyone out yet.

How long before they start eliminating the family members or friends from the suspect list? I would have thought that would have been done by now so their focus can be narrowed down. All we know so far is that they're "cooperating". We don't know the results of the LDT and the police won't confirm whether or not they passed. The fact that they're not allowed back in their home is raising some red flags and troubling to me. Maybe they're still waiting on fingerprint and DNA analysis before they're allowed back in.

Does anyone remember how long before the Lunsford's were allowed back into their home?

[mariah79]

I'm not saying that all didn't happen...because you are certainly right...children are snatched right from there mothers hands sometimes in malls.....As old as I am, I believe I would be able to kill at that moment.....

I do believe that this perp lives in that area and watched that house on a regular bases....I sure hope they checked out all the neighbors homes and anyone who would refuse access, I would consider a suspect....because I would certainly let the police in my home to check every corner they wanted to just so they could continue their search for this child and quick....I keep thinking about poor "Jessica Lundsford".....it breaks my heart over and over again....

LE should be looking in that neighborhood. But by all means don't limit it to that. Duncan keeps coming to my mind. Look how many states he covered killing children.

[Barbara fl.]

I am going to make one last comment on this subject and then drop it.
I did not say bed wetters in general!
In my first post I pointed out that Misti said she wet the bed and the mom said no. I associate that with a recent development in the child's behavior thus the thought on the abuse.
I also pointed out right from the start that I was NOT accusing or even suggesting the dad was abusing this child.
At least I am trying to stay O/T and not drag the Anthony family into a case they have nothing to do with. Just because they went and offered support has nothing to do with finding Hayleigh.


I'll say one last thing also on the subject...I find that when children go back and forth between divorced parents etc...they tend to not be as secure as a child who sleeps in the same bed and wakes up in the same bed every day.....

I am a firm believer that children need the sense of security when they are little.....I know people that will make the change over when the child is asleep and when that child wakes up they are in a different place from when they went to sleep......this is something that can cause a child to have change in their habits as well....jmo

[marshmallow]

could the cps investigation have to do with the missing too much school issue and that's why the police were not called/involved?

[Themis]

In the Greta interview with Cummings and Misty of 2/12, Misty tells Greta says she got up to go to the bathroom.

Instead of using the bathroom she says she went into the living room and that is when she noticed the kitchen light was on. Because the kitchen light was on she could see this *always locked screendoor* was open; i.e., ajar. I find it odd that she got up to use the toilet, passed by at least 1 if not 2 bathrooms, and went into the living room instead.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html


There is a video that goes along with the rushed transcript; it's Part 1.

Reading the transcript carefully and then watching the video concentrating on the facial expressions of Ronald and Misty and how they were reacting to each other made me feel uneasy.

[n/t]

*Bolding mine

Yes, but it could also be caused by a change in medications, a change in schedules, a change in babysitters, a disruption at school, moving to a different house.....

IMO, if she had regressed to bedwetting (provided she had stopped for at least a year prior), it would bear watching.

I agree. If a child wasn't a bed wetter for a couple of years (according to the maternal grandma) and she now suddenly became a bedwetter, this is a symptom of stress for the child. Some of the examples already mentioned.

[crymeariver2006]

could the cps investigation have to do with the missing too much school issue and that's why the police were not called/involved?

I think Ron's mom works for the Sheriff's Department too. That could account for it also.

*could*, not definite.

[Barbara fl.]

LE should be looking in that neighborhood. But by all means don't limit it to that. Duncan keeps coming to my mind. Look how many states he covered killing children.


You are right again...sometimes it is random...and anything is possible...But I just don't think this was a random act....

And do you know if there was a car parked in the driveway? I don't recall anything ont that....Because thats another sigh that an adult is in the house....

If there was a car outside...a light on....a door left wide open...then for sure the person would have though that an adult could very well have been awake inside.....I would then say for sure it is someone who knows them very well.....jmo

[marshmallow]

ITA Jammies- and good morning all!-
at best, the Ants can be nothing but a distraction. Nobody needs that. They are selfish and self absorbed people. Caylee has been laid to rest. The Ants should go home and let the folks who actually know something about searching for a MISSING child find Haleigh. All the Ants know about is lying, spinning, accusing, and getting their mugs on tv. Lenny too. what is this- his new reality show? he's gonna show up & get inside info on missing kids & sell his info to the media in little dribs & drabs? OOOH no.
The focus needs to be on Haleigh Cummings. Not on how the Ants are processing thier grief or whatever. I fear these people will NEVER go away.



and if they go away then we can all go after them for not caring about anyone but themselves... :thumbsup:
(not really going after you spaggedy, just using your post as a comment point.)

[PerneciaJane]

Odd.

It seems to me (just thinkin' out loud here), IF this guy is the perp, wouldn't he have acted on a night when Crystal had Haleigh at her house? Or maybe he tried. Had he seen Haleigh when he lived there.

Of course, just because he lives in the same "town"....if he lived on the same street, or next door, or worked with Crystal or Chad, that might be a connection. (again, just thinkin' out loud)

IIRC, he also hasn't lived near Haleigh but about a month.

Interesting timing there.

But he is possibly related to Misty's SIL, Lindsy. Lindsy is married to Misty;s brother Tommy and they live on the next street.

[Kelly3820]

Also...you are correct in saying "they like QUICK" getaways....this just didn't seem too quick to me.....thats the part that is so puzzleing.....he/she seemed at ease enough to be doing all this....and not being in fear of Misty waking up.....that is what I find so odd....


Once these scum decide they want that child nothing stops them from snatching the child. The scum was proabably prepared if Misty woke up. The cases that we know of those scum went in and murdered the whole family, Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her bedroom, Jessica was taken out hers, Danielle was taken out of hers.

[mariah79]

Also...you are correct in saying "they like QUICK" getaways....this just didn't seem too quick to me.....thats the part that is so puzzleing.....he/she seemed at ease enough to be doing all this....and not being in fear of Misty waking up.....that is what I find so odd....

Misti looks like a child (which she is). So probably won't fear her at all. so to him it is a house full of children with no adults.

[Barbara fl.]

could the cps investigation have to do with the missing too much school issue and that's why the police were not called/involved?


yes...and the school would have notified cps if she had too many unexcused absences....however a child can miss school do to being sickly...but doctor's notes would be required....But if it was noticed that she was just missing school for no good reason...something would have been done about it....

[crymeariver2006]

But he is possibly related to Misty's SIL, Lindsy. Lindsy is married to Misty;s brother Tommy and they live on the next street.

Does Lindsy's dad own the house that Ron & Misty live in?

[jewel6]

But he is possibly related to Misty's SIL, Lindsy. Lindsy is married to Misty;s brother Tommy and they live on the next street.

And he just moved from san mateo to 2nd avenue satsuma not far from haleigh. jan 09. under his pic. :scared:

[Barbara fl.]

Misti looks like a child (which she is). So probably won't fear her at all. so to him it is a house full of children with no adults.


I also agree with that...I know some people being interviewed stated that she was a responsible 17 year old.....but from what I have observed, she doesn't seem to responsible.....Of course if Haleigh is not returned safely, i'm sure her father will make other arrangements as to his son.....jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

And he just moved from san mateo to 2nd avenue satsuma not far from haleigh. jan 09. under his pic. :scared:

Plenty of time to learn the "lay of the land". Schedules, occupants....

:sad:

[Barbara fl.]

Misti looks like a child (which she is). So probably won't fear her at all. so to him it is a house full of children with no adults.



Also....we have to take into consideration that those who are saying that Misty is a responsible person are all connected to the father in some way...so they wouldn't very well say that she is not a responsible person because that would reflect on the father......so everything has to be considered here....

[PerneciaJane]

Does Lindsy's dad own the house that Ron & Misty live in?

It is said he does but I saw the tax ID# for Tommy and Lindsy's home on Tyler and dad co owns that house with Lindsy.

[jewel6]

Plenty of time to learn the "lay of the land". Schedules, occupants....

:sad:

Well he wouldnt have to learn the lay of the land because the sapps are from that area. jmo

[n/t]

In the Greta interview with Cummings and Misty of 2/12, Misty tells Greta says she got up to go to the bathroom.

Instead of using the bathroom she says she went into the living room and that is when she noticed the kitchen light was on. Because the kitchen light was on she could see this *always locked screendoor* was open; i.e., ajar. I find it odd that she got up to use the toilet, passed by at least 1 if not 2 bathrooms, and went into the living room instead.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html


There is a video that goes along with the rushed transcript; it's Part 1.

Reading the transcript carefully and then watching the video concentrating on the facial expressions of Ronald and Misty and how they were reacting to each other made me feel uneasy.

I haven't listened to the video yet and will do so in a few minutes but this exchange from the transcript really made me uneasy. Why is Ronald answering for Misti and why is he contradicting what she's telling Greta? I could almost sense the surprise in her voice when Ronald said no and she replied by saying no? Almost as if she's saying the wrong thing. Now if Ron wasn't there, how would he know? UGH! This case will drive me nuts just like the others do. :unsure:

CROSLIN: Haleigh would have probably been closer to the back door. She was on the side of the wall closest to the kitchen.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?

CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?

CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?

CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.

VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?

CROSLIN: Yes.

CUMMINGS: No.

CROSLIN: No?

CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.

CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so--

[mariah79]

You are right again...sometimes it is random...and anything is possible...But I just don't think this was a random act....

And do you know if there was a car parked in the driveway? I don't recall anything ont that....Because thats another sigh that an adult is in the house....

If there was a car outside...a light on....a door left wide open...then for sure the person would have though that an adult could very well have been awake inside.....I would then say for sure it is someone who knows them very well.....jmo

Not if he had been watching them for a few days to a week. Once Ron left for work it would look like to him a house of children with no adult or male present. I hate to keep bring up Duncan but he watch that house for days before he made his move.

[crymeariver2006]

Well he wouldnt have to learn the lay of the land because the sapps are from that area. jmo

So, was Lindsy a "Sapp" before she married a "Croslin"?

If this RSO Sapp is related to the same "Sapp" family, wouldn't that make him related to Lindsy?

OMG, if that's true that puts Misty square in the middle as being a "connection".

[n/t]

Also....we have to take into consideration that those who are saying that Misty is a responsible person are all connected to the father in some way...so they wouldn't very well say that she is not a responsible person because that would reflect on the father......so everything has to be considered here....

Yup...and I'm getting the sense that Ron is covering up some of the stuff she says to avoid some of the truth that may reflect badly on him.

JMO

[Spry]

You are right again...sometimes it is random...and anything is possible...But I just don't think this was a random act....

And do you know if there was a car parked in the driveway? I don't recall anything ont that....Because thats another sigh that an adult is in the house....

If there was a car outside...a light on....a door left wide open...then for sure the person would have though that an adult could very well have been awake inside.....I would then say for sure it is someone who knows them very well.....jmo

I would like to know if Misty was heard by any of her neighbors calling for Haleigh or if they happened to see her outside the trailer looking for Haleigh. Did she knock on any doors? See, I'm not seeing "normal" panicky behavior here. You wake up, see your back door open and the lights on. You note then that your child/step child is missing. I mean wouldn't you check outside the trailer to see if she was with her daddy who returned home from work? Once you ruled that out, wouldn't you launch into action?!? Call 911? go outside the trailer? start looking for her? start calling her name? knock on neighbors' doors and wake them up asking if they had seen or heard Haleigh?

You wait for your boyfriend to come home?

Her response to the discovery that Haleigh was missing cannot be excused by her age. Panic or call to action, IMO, would be a universal response.

This does not add up.

[Barbara fl.]

Once these scum decide they want that child nothing stops them from snatching the child. The scum was proabably prepared if Misty woke up. The cases that we know of those scum went in and murdered the whole family, Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her bedroom, Jessica was taken out hers, Danielle was taken out of hers.


You are so very right....and what troubles me is that most of these *$^#@# have been locked up and set free.....A guy that worked for my son has been in jail for 2 years right now because he has been caught several times while driving under a suspended license....although I don't believe he should get away with it...but where is the priorities here? These $%$#@#% that molest little children should never be set free again....instead of utilizing the space for a driving offense...use it for these *&&%#$%.....

Child molesters should be treated like murderers....jmo and if they want to be set free then their option should be to be castrated or spend the rest of their lfe in jail......no second chances....jmo

[mariah79]

Once these scum decide they want that child nothing stops them from snatching the child. The scum was proabably prepared if Misty woke up. The cases that we know of those scum went in and murdered the whole family, Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her bedroom, Jessica was taken out hers, Danielle was taken out of hers.

And Polly was taken out of her room with her friends their for a slumber party. Like you said they don't care and will do anything to get the child they want.

[spageddy]

I am going to make one last comment on this subject and then drop it.
I did not say bed wetters in general!
In my first post I pointed out that Misti said she wet the bed and the mom said no. I associate that with a recent development in the child's behavior thus the thought on the abuse.
I also pointed out right from the start that I was NOT accusing or even suggesting the dad was abusing this child.
At least I am trying to stay O/T and not drag the Anthony family into a case they have nothing to do with. Just because they went and offered support has nothing to do with finding Hayleigh.

I understand where you were going with the bed-wetting info, Katt. IMO every angle needs to be explored and picked apart. That's what we're all doing here, correct?
As for the A's. I hereby promise never to mention them again in connection with the search for Haleigh. I hope the media will do the same .

[Barbara fl.]

I would like to know if Misty was heard by any of her neighbors calling for Haleigh or if they happened to see her outside the trailer looking for Haleigh. Did she knock on any doors? See, I'm not seeing "normal" panicky behavior here. You wake up, see your back door open and the lights on. You note then that your child/step child is missing. I mean wouldn't you check outside the trailer to see if she was with her daddy who returned home from work? Once you ruled that out, wouldn't you launch into action?!? Call 911? go outside the trailer? start looking for her? start calling her name? knock on neighbors' doors and wake them up asking if they had seen or heard Misty?

You wait for your boyfriend to come home?

Her response to the discovery that Haleigh was missing cannot be excused by her age. Panic or call to action, IMO, would be a universal response.

This does not add up.


That too is what I find odd....I myself would have grabbed the little boy and ran out of that house to a neighbors...I would not have stayed one extra second in there not knowing if he might still be around....how she stayed right in there and waited for the father is beyond me.....I would have been screaming all up and down that street.....

[Themis]

I haven't listened to the video yet and will do so in a few minutes but this exchange from the transcript really made me uneasy. Why is Ronald answering for Misti and why is he contradicting what she's telling Greta? I could almost sense the surprise in her voice when Ronald said no and she replied by saying no? Almost as if she's saying the wrong thing. Now if Ron wasn't there, how would he know? UGH! This case will drive me nuts just like the others do. :unsure:

CROSLIN: Haleigh would have probably been closer to the back door. She was on the side of the wall closest to the kitchen.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?

CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?

CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?

CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.

VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?

CROSLIN: Yes.

CUMMINGS: No.

CROSLIN: No?

CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.

CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so--

Yep, you are picking up on why I felt uneasy.
Reading the transcript carefully before watching Video-Part 1 is even more strange. Watching their faces as they speak, the tone of voice, the looks he gives her a couple of times ... made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.

I can pass off some of it to the fact that they are both very tired but it has bothered me for days.

JMO

[desmom]

Yesterday the sheriff at the news conference was asked about that and he said that no one in LE has told anybody not to speak to the media.

:shrug:

Ron may have made his own decision after being asked repeatedly by the media about the various "discrepancies".

IMO

I have been trying to keep up with the news articles. I may have missed it if there is a direct quote somewhere from Misty. This is the only article I can find re: not talking to the media.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

He said officials have not told any of the family not to talk with the media, though Croslin told the Times-Union Friday she was advised to not speak with reporters anymore.

It is not a direct quote and it does not say who advised her to not speak with reporters. It could have been Ron, George, Cindy, Tim Miller, family or friends.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

According to LE everyone is a suspect at this point. They haven't ruled anyone out yet.

How long before they start eliminating the family members or friends from the suspect list? I would have thought that would have been done by now so their focus can be narrowed down. All we know so far is that they're "cooperating". We don't know the results of the LDT and the police won't confirm whether or not they passed. The fact that they're not allowed back in their home is raising some red flags and troubling to me. Maybe they're still waiting on fingerprint and DNA analysis before they're allowed back in.

Does anyone remember how long before the Lunsford's were allowed back into their home?


It really shouldn't take more then a couple of days imo......and I believe that LE are not saying everything they know at this point....I believe they want to take their time on this and not be accused of rushing to judgement.....if they were to release that one of them could be a suspect, i'm sure they feel that the father just might lose it and kill someone...

But I think that LE is working this case a little different then the usual one....just my thought....could be very wrong...

[crymeariver2006]

Another thing about the door....

In one of her interviews, Misty said that she was "cleaning and taking out the trash" (IIRC, this was at the same time she was washing the blanket, before she went to bed, but after she put the children to bed)....

Which door would she have taken the trash thru? The front door? Or the door that Ron claims he locked that very day before he went to work at 3:00 p.m.? Wouldn't she have had to unlock the door if she was taking out the trash thru that door? And could it be that SHE was the one who put the brick or cinder block to prop the door to keep it from banging shut?

Was she the one that left the door unlocked and/or open with the brick?

[magnolia]

I am going to make one last comment on this subject and then drop it.
I did not say bed wetters in general!
In my first post I pointed out that Misti said she wet the bed and the mom said no. I associate that with a recent development in the child's behavior thus the thought on the abuse.
I also pointed out right from the start that I was NOT accusing or even suggesting the dad was abusing this child.
At least I am trying to stay O/T and not drag the Anthony family into a case they have nothing to do with. Just because they went and offered support has nothing to do with finding Hayleigh.

Katt, your orginal statement was very clear. In no way did you imply that bed-wetters are all sexually abused. It is widely known by people who have studied sexual abuse that regressive bed-wetting, thumb-sucking, stool problems, etc. CAN be ONE sign of sexual abuse when OTHER INDICATORS are also present. This does not mean a child who sucks his thumb or has reverted back to this habit is abused. It just means people who are around the child and love the child should take note.

And someone stated that there was absolutely no truth to your statement...well that person is wrong and is now trying to make it seem as if you said something you did not. (And make it seem as if she didn't say what she did.)

[kitty1182]

Good morning...Praying this child will be found soon.....

[Elvish2]

It really shouldn't take more then a couple of days imo......and I believe that LE are not saying everything they know at this point....I believe they want to take their time on this and not be accused of rushing to judgement.....if they were to release that one of them could be a suspect, i'm sure they feel that the father just might lose it and kill someone...

But I think that LE is working this case a little different then the usual one....just my thought....could be very wrong...

IIRC, in the Michelle Young murder in 2006, the house was secured as the crime scene for 13 days! Let them take as long as they need.

[jewel6]

So, was Lindsy a "Sapp" before she married a "Croslin"?

If this RSO Sapp is related to the same "Sapp" family, wouldn't that make him related to Lindsy?

OMG, if that's true that puts Misty square in the middle as being a "connection".

Im not sure how lindsey is related but somewhere i saw she is coowner of her trailer with a sapp. im thinking grandfather. jmo

[Spry]

Another thing about the door....

In one of her interviews, Misty said that she was "cleaning and taking out the trash" (IIRC, this was at the same time she was washing the blanket, before she went to bed, but after she put the children to bed)....

Which door would she have taken the trash thru? The front door? Or the door that Ron claims he locked that very day before he went to work at 3:00 p.m.? Wouldn't she have had to unlock the door if she was taking out the trash thru that door? And could it be that SHE was the one who put the brick or cinder block to prop the door to keep it from banging shut?

Was she the one that left the door unlocked and/or open with the brick?

This is an interesting theory. One could further speculate that she forgot to close it because she perhaps had been drinking or was very tired? And that left the door wide open--literally--for someone to come in. Maybe that accounts for Misty's submissive behavior around Ron. She left the door open after she had been warned about it and now little Haleigh is missing. Maybe that's why she waited for Ron to come home before she sprung into action. She wanted to tell him first that she had made a huge error. I still think it's suspicious, though, that she didn't call for Haleigh, try to look for her or call 911 or the neighbors.

[Barbara fl.]

Katt, your orginal statement was very clear. In no way did you imply that bed-wetters are all sexually abused. It is widely known by people who have studied sexual abuse that regressive bed-wetting, thumb-sucking, stool problems, etc. CAN be ONE sign of sexual abuse when OTHER INDICATORS are also present. This does not mean a child who sucks his thumb or has reverted back to this habit is abused. It just means people who are around the child and love the child should take note.

And someone stated that there was absolutely no truth to your statement...well that person is wrong and is now trying to make it seem as if you said something you did not. (And make it seem as if she didn't say what she did.)



The someone is me....and I am not trying to revert anything I said...I meant just what I said and no one should generalize on this sort of thing "that is what I said"......to toss out there that this is a possibilty that Haleigh was being sexually abused is not fare at all.....(POST 21)...to a grieving father...

This board is for anyones opinions (I agree) and it is also for anyone refuting those opinions (which is what I did)....and the only thing that I apologized for was "if I upset that person by refuting it" nothing else....

[n/t]

Another thing about the door....

In one of her interviews, Misty said that she was "cleaning and taking out the trash" (IIRC, this was at the same time she was washing the blanket, before she went to bed, but after she put the children to bed)....

Which door would she have taken the trash thru? The front door? Or the door that Ron claims he locked that very day before he went to work at 3:00 p.m.? Wouldn't she have had to unlock the door if she was taking out the trash thru that door? And could it be that SHE was the one who put the brick or cinder block to prop the door to keep it from banging shut?

Was she the one that left the door unlocked and/or open with the brick?

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, had you been the one to block that back door?

CROSLIN: No, I did not lock the back door because the back door is always locked. We really do not use the back door.

CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

I'm leaning towards Misty leaving the back door open. Maybe she forgot to lock it. From all reports, there was no indication of break in so this leaves me to believe that the back door was either left open or someone had access to the house with a key.

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC, in the Michelle Young murder in 2006, the house was secured as the crime scene for 13 days! Let them take as long as they need.


Oh, I'm certainly for that...we all want Haleigh home safe....no matter how long it takes and what LE has to do...

I would like to throw in here that even though Misty is only 17 yrs old and everyone is saying how responsible she is...wouldn't she realize that every second counts when a child is taken...every second that you waste is a second further that this perp is getting....I just don't get it...

[Casecase]

I agree. If a child wasn't a bed wetter for a couple of years (according to the maternal grandma) and she now suddenly became a bedwetter, this is a symptom of stress for the child. Some of the examples already mentioned.


It's possible she was an occasional bed wetter and the maternal grandmother didn't know it . . . the mom only had her every other weekend, so that's only what, 4 nights a month that they had her?


IMO

[crymeariver2006]

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, had you been the one to block that back door?

CROSLIN: No, I did not lock the back door because the back door is always locked. We really do not use the back door.

CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

I'm leaning towards Misty leaving the back door open. Maybe she forgot to lock it. From all reports, there was no indication of break in so this leaves me to believe that the back door was either left open or someone had access to the house with a key.

And when she comes back in after taking out the trash, the dryer with the blanket is buzzing or shutting off. She takes the blanket to Haleigh to cover her.

In all of her statements she says that "she covered Haleigh and then she laid down" beside her.

Occam's razor.

IMO, Misty simply forgot the door was open and the light was on. Also, IMO, she doesn't want to admit it.

[mariah79]

The someone is me....and I am not trying to revert anything I said...I meant just what I said and no one should generalize on this sort of thing "that is what I said"......to toss out there that this is a possibilty that Haleigh was being sexually abused is not fare at all.....(POST 21)...to a grieving father...

This board is for anyones opinions (I agree) and it is also for anyone refuting those opinions (which is what I did)....and the only thing that I apologized for was "if I upset that person by refuting it" nothing else....

At this point we don't know if this was reoccurring thing or just one of those accident kids of that age have. We don't even know if that is the bed they put Ron's son down for a nap during the day. It could of been him is why the blanket smelled that way.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm not liking that Misti did not call 911 until told to by Ronald when he arrived home and I'm definetly not liking the Croslin/Sapp connection. Does anyone know if LE has located and interviewed D. Sapp, the RSO?

[Elvish2]

Oh, I'm certainly for that...we all want Haleigh home safe....no matter how long it takes and what LE has to do...

I would like to throw in here that even though Misty is only 17 yrs old and everyone is saying how responsible she is...wouldn't she realize that every second counts when a child is taken...every second that you waste is a second further that this perp is getting....I just don't get it...


Cindy waited 31 days! Misti, 27mins. I see little problem with her response time. She is 17 and 3am. Speaking for myself, it would take me a least a few mins to get the fog outa my head and truly realize the seriousness of the situation. Coupled with I think a fear of Ron by Misti, she blanked. However, we only have this timelime and scenario from them.

[IM4Truth]

And when she comes back in after taking out the trash, the dryer with the blanket is buzzing or shutting off. She takes the blanket to Haleigh to cover her.

In all of her statements she says that "she covered Haleigh and then she laid down" beside her.

Occam's razor.

IMO, Misty simply forgot the door was open and the light was on. Also, IMO, she doesn't want to admit it.

Good morning all! Haven't even lit my candles yet for Haleigh and Caylee but will do that soon. This is a very good theory, however, can that back door be seen from the street? Or from a back neighbor? Unless there were peeping Tom's in the neighborhood, how would anyone know that door was open. Also I would think there would be footprints around that back door area.

[Casecase]

I'm not liking that Misti did not call 911 until told to by Ronald when he arrived home and I'm definetly not liking the Croslin/Sapp connection. Does anyone know if LE has located and interviewed D. Sapp, the RSO?


And if there is a connection, and he is the perp . . . would he have access or be able to easily get access to a key and that's how there was no sign of forced entry????


IMO

[Armchairdet]

That too is what I find odd....I myself would have grabbed the little boy and ran out of that house to a neighbors...I would not have stayed one extra second in there not knowing if he might still be around....how she stayed right in there and waited for the father is beyond me.....I would have been screaming all up and down that street.....



Good morning everyone.

I was at first really concerned that the Misti may have known what happened because of her behavior in the beginning. But I am starting to think just the opposite. IMO anyone that thought a child had been taken would indeed grab the other child, run to a neighbor, call 911, wake up the neighborhood, but not stay standing in the home. So I think due to her limited wordly experience that perhaps she believed that the girl wandered off or something. She had been awakened to this and may have opened the front door to see if Ron was home. That maybe he had taken her outside. Like here mind was trying to sort it out and make sense of it. IMO. Anyway that is my thought for the moment. Bound to change imo.

[Casecase]

Good morning everyone.

I was at first really concerned that the Misti may have known what happened because of her behavior in the beginning. But I am starting to think just the opposite. IMO anyone that thought a child had been taken would indeed grab the other child, run to a neighbor, call 911, wake up the neighborhood, but not stay standing in the home. So I think due to her limited wordly experience that perhaps she believed that the girl wandered off or something. She had been awakened to this and may have opened the front door to see if Ron was home. That maybe he had taken her outside. Like here mind was trying to sort it out and make sense of it. IMO. Anyway that is my thought for the moment. Bound to change imo.


But if she had already searched the trailer, looking for Haleigh, she's going to know that the bad guy isn't still there, so why leave at that point?


IMO

[Barbara fl.]

At this point we don't know if this was reoccurring thing or just one of those accident kids of that age have. We don't even know if that is the bed they put Ron's son down for a nap during the day. It could of been him is why the blanket smelled that way.


It could be a number of so many things....The only factual thing here is that someone took this child....And, as always, we on the board try to figure out the case....

If we all got together and wrote a book on our theories it would probably be a best seller....I try to respect everyone on here, but at the same time I will hold ground on what I feel is right or wrong.....that's just me....

I'm ready to drive out there tomorrow (no school) and see if I can help in any way....I visited the Caylee sights on 2 occasions but I must say it depressed me too much.....I'm about 60 miles from this area...I'll see how I feel tomorrow....

I just pray this little girl is OK...I pray that whomever has her doesn't hurt her.....

[Armchairdet]

But if she had already searched the trailer, looking for Haleigh, she's going to know that the bad guy isn't still there, so why leave at that point?


IMO



Sorry I explained wrong. IMO only of course. Sort of like I was trying to say why someone would stay and search with a wide open door. I will drink more coffee and be more careful what I post.

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning all! Haven't even lit my candles yet for Haleigh and Caylee but will do that soon. This is a very good theory, however, can that back door be seen from the street? Or from a back neighbor? Unless there were peeping Tom's in the neighborhood, how would anyone know that door was open. Also I would think there would be footprints around that back door area.

The door is really on the side of the house, not the back.

And yes, IMO, it could have been seen from the front of the house (street) as well as that particular side of the house.

I'm not sure about visible footprints - especially if there was grass?

[IM4Truth]

Good morning everyone.

I was at first really concerned that the Misti may have known what happened because of her behavior in the beginning. But I am starting to think just the opposite. IMO anyone that thought a child had been taken would indeed grab the other child, run to a neighbor, call 911, wake up the neighborhood, but not stay standing in the home. So I think due to her limited wordly experience that perhaps she believed that the girl wandered off or something. She had been awakened to this and may have opened the front door to see if Ron was home. That maybe he had taken her outside. Like here mind was trying to sort it out and make sense of it. IMO. Anyway that is my thought for the moment. Bound to change imo.

Also if Misti awoke at 3 am and Ron was home by 3:27 am, maybe it took her awhile to actually "wake up" and realize something had happened? Maybe she went in the children's room to search for Haleigh. in closets, etc. Then stifled by the fear of what Ron would do when he found out. Anyway, where is the link to light Haleigh's candle? I can't find it. Thanks!

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone.

I was at first really concerned that the Misti may have known what happened because of her behavior in the beginning. But I am starting to think just the opposite. IMO anyone that thought a child had been taken would indeed grab the other child, run to a neighbor, call 911, wake up the neighborhood, but not stay standing in the home. So I think due to her limited wordly experience that perhaps she believed that the girl wandered off or something. She had been awakened to this and may have opened the front door to see if Ron was home. That maybe he had taken her outside. Like here mind was trying to sort it out and make sense of it. IMO. Anyway that is my thought for the moment. Bound to change imo.


It's a good thought and that could very well be what happened...She could have been half asleep also and didn't even believe what she was seeing....I'm glad that Ron pulled up at this time...because if the perp was in the immediate area he could have harmed them all.....just a thought....

[Armchairdet]

Good morning all! Haven't even lit my candles yet for Haleigh and Caylee but will do that soon. This is a very good theory, however, can that back door be seen from the street? Or from a back neighbor? Unless there were peeping Tom's in the neighborhood, how would anyone know that door was open. Also I would think there would be footprints around that back door area.

Remember too that Misti had removed a sheet or blanket that was being used as a window covering to use for herself since hers left in a van iirc. So, window with no cover, light on in the house, anyone walking by in the dark could see a lot. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

Cindy waited 31 days! Misti, 27mins. I see little problem with her response time. She is 17 and 3am. Speaking for myself, it would take me a least a few mins to get the fog outa my head and truly realize the seriousness of the situation. Coupled with I think a fear of Ron by Misti, she blanked. However, we only have this timelime and scenario from them.


You are perfectly right....I don't think 27 minutes was too long to be calling the police...I would have ran all over the place first, not wanting to waste a second calling the police...I would have called the police the minute I realized that the child was truely missing....

However, I don't think that I would have just sayed in the house waithing for my boyfriend to come home....But she is young, she probably wasn't even fully awake...and in shock at was she was faced with......so, yes, I guess she reacted in the way she could at that moment...BUT, me I would have been screaming all over the neighborhood waking everyone of them up....

[Myka]

And when she comes back in after taking out the trash, the dryer with the blanket is buzzing or shutting off. She takes the blanket to Haleigh to cover her.

In all of her statements she says that "she covered Haleigh and then she laid down" beside her.

Occam's razor.

IMO, Misty simply forgot the door was open and the light was on. Also, IMO, she doesn't want to admit it.

I have a question...has anyone figured out what the temp was between 10pm and 3:30am? TIA

[Armchairdet]

You are perfectly right....I don't think 27 minutes was too long to be calling the police...I would have ran all over the place first, not wanting to waste a second calling the police...I would have called the police the minute I realized that the child was truely missing....

However, I don't think that I would have just sayed in the house waithing for my boyfriend to come home....But she is young, she probably wasn't even fully awake...and in shock at was she was faced with......so, yes, I guess she reacted in the way she could at that moment...BUT, me I would have been screaming all over the neighborhood waking everyone of them up....



Also if child services had been involved with this family which I heard they were, perhaps Misti wanted to make sure something was wrong before calling 911. I mean to do a thourogh search of the home and yard to avoid bringing attention to there being a problem in the home if there was not.

[Elvish2]

You are perfectly right....I don't think 27 minutes was too long to be calling the police...I would have ran all over the place first, not wanting to waste a second calling the police...I would have called the police the minute I realized that the child was truely missing....

However, I don't think that I would have just sayed in the house waithing for my boyfriend to come home....But she is young, she probably wasn't even fully awake...and in shock at was she was faced with......so, yes, I guess she reacted in the way she could at that moment...BUT, me I would have been screaming all over the neighborhood waking everyone of them up....

:scared: Amen to that sista!

[crymeariver2006]

I have a question...has anyone figured out what the temp was between 10pm and 3:30am? TIA

It may be on another thread where I saw that someone posted it was right at 50 degrees at 3:27 a.m., had dropped to that from the upper 50's earlier.

That's IIRC.

[Myka]

Remember too that Misti had removed a sheet or blanket that was being used as a window covering to use for herself since hers left in a van iirc. So, window with no cover, light on in the house, anyone walking by in the dark could see a lot. IMO

another question.....why would she need her blanket in the van?

[Themis]

I have a question...has anyone figured out what the temp was between 10pm and 3:30am? TIA

I did -- it is on page 2.

[crymeariver2006]

I did -- it is on page 2.

I knew I had seen it somewhere!

:smile:

[jammies]

Also if child services had been involved with this family which I heard they were, perhaps Misti wanted to make sure something was wrong before calling 911. I mean to do a thourogh search of the home and yard to avoid bringing attention to there being a problem in the home if there was not.



My guess is that she didn't check the kids right away after finding light on/door open. She might have thought Ron was already home from work.

[Myka]

It may be on another thread where I saw that someone posted it was right at 50 degrees at 3:27 a.m., had dropped to that from the upper 50's earlier.

That's IIRC.

ok thanks, my point being, if it was 50 degrees outside and if my door was open and I was sleeping, I would be freezing and wake up.

[crymeariver2006]

ok thanks, my point being, if it was 50 degrees outside and if my door was open and I was sleeping, I would be freezing and wake up.

Maybe that's what DID wake her up and the reason for the "bathroom, Misty went to the bathroom, Haleigh went to the bathroom, Misty went to get a drink" discrepancies.

JMO

[nutterbutter]

My first thought about the kitchen light still being on was that maybe it was left on from before they all went to sleep?
For anyone (fairly) local?
What time does it actually get dark enough there that the inside lights have to be turned on to see?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...I am in Canada at the tail end of 'winter' here, I have no idea what time it would get dark enough there in Florida.

Thanks again...
it is compltely dark by 7pm or so.I live about ten miles from putnum county.

[n/t]

And when she comes back in after taking out the trash, the dryer with the blanket is buzzing or shutting off. She takes the blanket to Haleigh to cover her.

In all of her statements she says that "she covered Haleigh and then she laid down" beside her.

Occam's razor.

IMO, Misty simply forgot the door was open and the light was on. Also, IMO, she doesn't want to admit it.

I don't think the laying down beside her applies anymore. She later said they weren't sleeping in the same bed.

I don't know how far/near the laundry room is to the back door but if it was left open, maybe the perp got in and waited for all of them to get to bed?

Misty should not be influenced by Ron and her fear of him. She should say the truth and deal with the consequences later. If she's truly innocent then she should tell it like it is for Haleigh's sake. Stuff like leaving the door unlocked or open happens. It's happened to me. I also had a weird incident at one time where I left my key on the outside of my door. I unlocked the door, carried the groceries in and locked the door but I left my keys on the outside. Thankfully, my neighbour knocked on my door to let me know. I was convinced I put my keys back in my purse. Mistakes happen and sadly, this one may have been a costly one for Misti but telling the truth is what she needs to do.

[sinagua]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.

MOO, but I think that George A. wants to be the next TV personality for missing kids. It would of been no comfort to me for him to show up.

Also, the 2 families need to make a little more effort to get along. The police would have a very hard time, with the 2 separate camps, just trying to make sure that they both have the same information.

I felt the same way about N. Holloway's mom and dad. They weren't even on speaking terms.

[Myka]

Maybe that's what DID wake her up and the reason for the "bathroom, Misty went to the bathroom, Haleigh went to the bathroom, Misty went to get a drink" discrepancies.

JMO

right! but even at 10pm, it's dark, it's cold.....there is no way I could sleep for 5 hrs w/ my door open when it's mid 50's to the low 50's

[crymeariver2006]

I don't think the laying down beside her applies anymore. She later said they weren't sleeping in the same bed.

I don't know how far/near the laundry room is to the back door but if it was left open, maybe the perp got in and waited for all of them to get to bed?

Misty should not be influenced by Ron and her fear of him. She should say the truth and deal with the consequences later. If she's truly innocent then she should tell it like it is for Haleigh's sake. Stuff like leaving the door unlocked or open happens. It's happened to me. I also had a weird incident at one time where I left my key on the outside of my door. I unlocked the door, carried the groceries in and locked the door but I left my keys on the outside. Thankfully, my neighbour knocked on my door to let me know. I was convinced I put my keys back in my purse. Mistakes happen and sadly, this one may have been a costly one for Misti but telling the truth is what she needs to do.

Yes, but what consquences would she be dealing with if in fact she left the door open (accidentally or on purpose) and Ron's child is missing because of it?

She's in a no-win situation with Ron, IMO.

[Myka]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.

MOO, but I think that George A. wants to be the next TV personality for missing kids. It would of been no comfort to me for him to show up.

Also, the 2 families need to make a little more effort to get along. The police would have a very hard time, with the 2 separate camps, just trying to make sure that they both have the same information.

I felt the same way about N. Holloway's mom and dad. They weren't even on speaking terms.

thanks!! sorry, a little behind on the case but did see the NG last night

[bluwaters]

Candles for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

:rose::rose::rose:

[Myka]

I don't think the laying down beside her applies anymore. She later said they weren't sleeping in the same bed.

I don't know how far/near the laundry room is to the back door but if it was left open, maybe the perp got in and waited for all of them to get to bed?

Misty should not be influenced by Ron and her fear of him. She should say the truth and deal with the consequences later. If she's truly innocent then she should tell it like it is for Haleigh's sake. Stuff like leaving the door unlocked or open happens. It's happened to me. I also had a weird incident at one time where I left my key on the outside of my door. I unlocked the door, carried the groceries in and locked the door but I left my keys on the outside. Thankfully, my neighbour knocked on my door to let me know. I was convinced I put my keys back in my purse. Mistakes happen and sadly, this one may have been a costly one for Misti but telling the truth is what she needs to do.

too bad we don't know the make and model of the mobile home, then we could find a blue print of where the bedrooms, bathroom and doors are

[IM4Truth]

I don't think the laying down beside her applies anymore. She later said they weren't sleeping in the same bed.

I don't know how far/near the laundry room is to the back door but if it was left open, maybe the perp got in and waited for all of them to get to bed?

Misty should not be influenced by Ron and her fear of him. She should say the truth and deal with the consequences later. If she's truly innocent then she should tell it like it is for Haleigh's sake. Stuff like leaving the door unlocked or open happens. It's happened to me. I also had a weird incident at one time where I left my key on the outside of my door. I unlocked the door, carried the groceries in and locked the door but I left my keys on the outside. Thankfully, my neighbour knocked on my door to let me know. I was convinced I put my keys back in my purse. Mistakes happen and sadly, this one may have been a costly one for Misti but telling the truth is what she needs to do.

Even I have left my door unlocked all night before and I am way past 17! Mentioning the keys left outside the door, I know of a young couple in central IL and she often "forgot" and left her keys hanging in the door outside. She was pregnant with their first child and those keys were stolen from her lock and they were murdered. There was more to that story though. But it does happen. As for another poster commenting on waking up because it was 50 degrees, it was probably already cold in a trailer, but yes, that alone would be a cause for Misti to wake up. She probably also heard something that woke her but might not know what it was.

[bluwaters]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.

MOO, but I think that George A. wants to be the next TV personality for missing kids. It would of been no comfort to me for him to show up.

Also, the 2 families need to make a little more effort to get along. The police would have a very hard time, with the 2 separate camps, just trying to make sure that they both have the same information.

I felt the same way about N. Holloway's mom and dad. They weren't even on speaking terms.

The family did come together yesterday.
Crystal's mother apologized for things she said about Misty.
I hope that they can remain united.
Today is Junior's 4th birthday.

Haleigh's Parents Come Together After 5th Day Of Search
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18719060/index.html

[Themis]

And if there is a connection, and he is the perp . . . would he have access or be able to easily get access to a key and that's how there was no sign of forced entry????


IMO

FORCED ENTRY:

I believe LE has stated several times there is no sign of forced entry.

However, in the interview with Greta V.S. on 2/12 both Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin say they believe the door lock must have been picked.

MISTY DRINKING? In response to a direct question by Greta, Misty denied having anything to drink or had done anything that would have made her extra tired and sleep more heavily.

One or both of them stated that:

Haleigh is shy -- would never go with a stranger.
Haleigh is afraid of the dark which would eliminate the theory Haleigh got up and left the mobile home on her own.

One could assume that these topics would have been covered in a Lie Dectector Test (LDT).

Both of them state they believe they 'passed' the LDT.

IMO

[nutterbutter]

Good morning.....all that would be too coincidental...she forgot the light on, she inadvertently left the back door open and on this very night someone conveniently came in and took the child....

I would assume that if the back door was left open and a light was left on that the intruder would assume that someone other then the child was awake.....We are thinking of a child snatcher here...I doubt that one is that brave to confront an adult while trying to take a child...it just wouldn't fit there profile in my opinion......but I can be wrong...

I pray that Haleigh is ok....
The pervert that took the groane children watched them for days before making a move and confronted 2 adults and another teen aged sibling and killed all of them except Shasta.Never know about these things as each case is different.moo

[IM4Truth]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.

MOO, but I think that George A. wants to be the next TV personality for missing kids. It would of been no comfort to me for him to show up.

Also, the 2 families need to make a little more effort to get along. The police would have a very hard time, with the 2 separate camps, just trying to make sure that they both have the same information.

I felt the same way about N. Holloway's mom and dad. They weren't even on speaking terms.

The articles I read this morning said the families are now cooperating with each other and the maternal grandmother has apologized for being so critical of Misti. Also read where GA and KFN were asked to leave, so maybe now that can be left out of posts on this thread.

[Myka]

Even I have left my door unlocked all night before and I am way past 17! Mentioning the keys left outside the door, I know of a young couple in central IL and she often "forgot" and left her keys hanging in the door outside. She was pregnant with their first child and those keys were stolen from her lock and they were murdered. There was more to that story though. But it does happen. As for another poster commenting on waking up because it was 50 degrees, it was probably already cold in a trailer, but yes, that alone would be a cause for Misti to wake up. She probably also heard something that woke her but might not know what it was.

exactly!! mobile homes don't hold the heat very well, and in the summer you're a/c is going 24/7. I have lived in a few of those "tin cans".....been there, done that with the blankets over the windows.

I do wish Misti well. She is just a 17 yrs old kid. She is mixed up in a big mess and I really do hope it all works out for her. However, I think we all know there are some "half-truths" going on in this case.

[Casecase]

Sorry I explained wrong. IMO only of course. Sort of like I was trying to say why someone would stay and search with a wide open door. I will drink more coffee and be more careful what I post.


I understood what you were saying, other people have had the same thought, why didn't she just grab the little boy and take off when she saw the door open. I'm just thinking if it were me, even if I saw the door open, I wouldn't grab one child and take off without checking the whole house for the other child first. At which point there wouldn't be a need to leave because the bad guy might still be there because I would know that he was gone. Just a thought.

IMO

[Spry]

You are perfectly right....I don't think 27 minutes was too long to be calling the police...I would have ran all over the place first, not wanting to waste a second calling the police...I would have called the police the minute I realized that the child was truely missing....

However, I don't think that I would have just sayed in the house waithing for my boyfriend to come home....But she is young, she probably wasn't even fully awake...and in shock at was she was faced with......so, yes, I guess she reacted in the way she could at that moment...BUT, me I would have been screaming all over the neighborhood waking everyone of them up....

IMO, 27 minutes was too long. But we only have her estimation of what time it was she woke up. She said she was vaguely aware there was a "3" on the clock.

[Heidi J.]

But if she had already searched the trailer, looking for Haleigh, she's going to know that the bad guy isn't still there, so why leave at that point?


IMO

That would be my first impression anyway, that Haleigh had hid somewhere. We used to live in a trailer similar to this one, and it was huge, It would not doubt it would take 20 mins. to search.
Why would anyone's first impression be she was snatched or there was a bad guy? IMO she searched for her and when finished, went out to the front and Ron came home.. JMO

[tomsgirl]

I'm not liking that Misti did not call 911 until told to by Ronald when he arrived home and I'm definetly not liking the Croslin/Sapp connection. Does anyone know if LE has located and interviewed D. Sapp, the RSO?

By Golly Regina, you are over here! And now so am I! I feel myself getting sucked into this case also and I still haven't recovered from the memorial service on the other one yet. What in the world is going on in Florida? If I had small children, I think I would think twice about moving there. I sooo hope they find this little girl alive and well. Off to Church now - later - :smile:

[johnielee333]

The articles I read this morning said the families are now cooperating with each other and the maternal grandmother has apologized for being so critical of Misti. Also read where GA and KFN were asked to leave, so maybe now that can be left out of posts on this thread.

do you have a link to any of that ?

[tootie]

do you got a link to any of that ?


I second that motion. I couldn't find anything.

[bluwaters]

TURNING TO PRAYER
Quiet desperation in search for Haleigh
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-15/story/turning_to_prayer


Ryan said that a footprint found by a deputy near Haleigh's home when they initially responded to the report of her missing is "not of significance at this time."

I must have missed it earlier, but this is the first that I've seen about the footprint not being significant. :sad:

[desmom]

I have a question...has anyone figured out what the temp was between 10pm and 3:30am? TIA

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLPALAT3&month=2&day=10&year=2009

Tabular Data for February 10, 2009
Time: 03:01
Temp: 48.9 °F
Dew Point: 48.9 °F
Pressure: 30.27in
Wind: Calm
Wind Gust: 0.0mph
Humidity: 100%
Rainfall: 0.00in
Conditions: Clr
Clouds: Clr

Moon - Full 2/09/09 http://www.moonconnection.com/moon-february-2009.phtml

[Kathlb]

I second that motion. I couldn't find anything.

I third it. :-) I would love to read where GA and KF got sent home. That is definitely where they need to stay!

[bluwaters]

do you have a link to any of that ?
From the Links thread. :wink:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/0/ENTERTAINMENT05

ETA: Oh!
You mean about G&C and KFN being asked to leave?
That I haven't seen reported, yet.
It would not surprise me, though.
Other than GA's interview, the family has not, AFAIK, endorsed KFN.
I don't see any T-Shirts being sold either.
Tim Miller has their trust, and I know he has strong opinions about this.
Also, TM said that Ronald asked him to find Haleigh, no matter what.
So, RC is not going insisting that only a live Haleigh be searched for.
In fact, it seems that RC is not doing any of the things the Ant's did, so I think there is no acceptable, to RC, advice that the Ant's can offer.

[Kathlb]

From the Links thread. :wink:

Thanks so much Blu!

[IM4Truth]

That would be my first impression anyway, that Haleigh had hid somewhere. We used to live in a trailer similar to this one, and it was huge, It would not doubt it would take 20 mins. to search.
Why would anyone's first impression be she was snatched or there was a bad guy? IMO she searched for her and when finished, went out to the front and Ron came home.. JMO

Okay, it's 3 in the morning. I'm not sure if I was in that situation (and I am 59), that I would grab the other child and run out. I think once I saw one child missing, I would freeze on the spot, probably even couldn't breathe out of fear. It would take me a minute or so to come to my senses, check on the other child, then look for Haleigh. If I saw the door open, my first instinct would be to close it and lock it. I don't think I would grab another child and run out into the night. However, none of us really know, what we would do in a situation like that as fear overcomes us. When I hear any noises now, even neighbors shouting, I grab for my phone first and have it in hand.

[Spry]

Did anyone place any significance on the fact that the 911 operator had to ask Misty and Ron if the door looked like it had been forced open--and they had to check?

Perhaps Misty had already told Ron she left the door open so they never checked for forced entry before calling 911.

I don't know, that might be something you would look to see right away?

Don't know if it has any bearing.

[IM4Truth]

do you have a link to any of that ?

The newspaper articles are all on the Links thread, another poster posted upthread about GA & KFN.

[tootie]

Thanks blu, I couldn't find anything in that article either about GA and KFN being asked to leave.

[Themis]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.



I agree that Misty would be better off not giving interviews. In the 9 minute interview I have referred to her contradictory answers at least confuse people .. if not make them suspicious of her truth telling.

[IM4Truth]

Thanks blu, I couldn't find anything in that article either about GA and KFN being asked to leave.

Check with the poster upthread, now that I think of it, I think that poster said it was a rumor, sorry if I quoted something incorrectly.

[johnielee333]

From the Links thread. :wink:


ETA: Oh!
You mean about G&C and KFN being asked to leave?
That I haven't seem reported, yet.
It would not surprise me, though.
Other than GA's interview, the family has not, AFAIK, endorsed KFN.


thanks blu for the link & yes i would also like to see a link to GA and KFN being asked to leave.

[OneUp]

That too is what I find odd....I myself would have grabbed the little boy and ran out of that house to a neighbors...I would not have stayed one extra second in there not knowing if he might still be around....how she stayed right in there and waited for the father is beyond me.....I would have been screaming all up and down that street.....Really Barb.? You would have grabbed the little boy and LEFT?...not certain the girl wasn't drowned, or in a dryer, or harmed and laying INSIDE the house?
By the time Misty was sure Haleigh wasn't in the house ( and maybe shook off enough shock TO ACT), I imagine 15 min. or so had passed...by the Ronald would have been near home. It would be obvious ( from looking for Haleigh) that there was no one else in the house. Why run then?
I'd NEVER abandon a child, even if there was direct and immediate threat to myself, I'd stay until I was sure where BOTH little ones were...or at least sure that one wasn't being left behind in the house.
I doubt you'd leave either and leave one behind ( maybe). Of course, we are know certain Haleigh wasn't still in the house then...but at the time? it's not so sure a thing.
Even LE advises parents to search a house before calling 911 for a missing child. Someone posted the "guidelines" for what to do if your child is missing either here or the other site I read at late yesterday. I'll find them if anyones interested.
FWIW, I'd call 911 before I started looking, I don't "get" the idea of waiting. It's easy enough to look while you talk to the operator.
JMO.

[playnice]

Okay, it's 3 in the morning. I'm not sure if I was in that situation (and I am 59), that I would grab the other child and run out. I think once I saw one child missing, I would freeze on the spot, probably even couldn't breathe out of fear. It would take me a minute or so to come to my senses, check on the other child, then look for Haleigh. If I saw the door open, my first instinct would be to close it and lock it. I don't think I would grab another child and run out into the night. However, none of us really know, what we would do in a situation like that as fear overcomes us. When I hear any noises now, even neighbors shouting, I grab for my phone first and have it in hand.

I know what my response would be but people react differently. Its fight or flight and I go unto flight mode.
My gs was spending the night and we had just come home. We were in the computer room and he had to go to the bathroom. When he got to the hall he came back and said GM there is a man in there.. I grabbed him and headed out the back door. I wasnt taking any chances of investigating it with a child in the house. I went in the yard and called my sil to come over to look thru the house. (I always have my cell on me)I didnt even think about calling 911. :cursing:
It turned out what he saw was the street light reflecting on pictures in the hall.
I think we may hesitate to call 911 in case its nothing.

[koawally]

I understood what you were saying, other people have had the same thought, why didn't she just grab the little boy and take off when she saw the door open. I'm just thinking if it were me, even if I saw the door open, I wouldn't grab one child and take off without checking the whole house for the other child first. At which point there wouldn't be a need to leave because the bad guy might still be there because I would know that he was gone. Just a thought.

IMO

Once when I was around 15 or 16 I was babysitting 4 children. The fire alarm went off and for some reason I was frozen stiff, I was unable to even move for a few moments. They said it was shock.

[tootie]

Check with the poster upthread, now that I think of it, I think that poster said it was a rumor, sorry if I quoted something incorrectly.


No problem it happens. I'm just trying to sort this thing out. Hope they find Haleigh soon so this can all be over. Safe of course. :rose:

[johnielee333]

Thanks blu, I couldn't find anything in that article either about GA and KFN being asked to leave.

me either & i read the whole thing.

[playnice]

I agree that Misty would be better off not giving interviews. In the 9 minute interview I have referred to her contradictory answers at least confuse people .. if not make them suspicious of her truth telling.

They need a family spokesperson.

[Barbara fl.]

Also if child services had been involved with this family which I heard they were, perhaps Misti wanted to make sure something was wrong before calling 911. I mean to do a thourogh search of the home and yard to avoid bringing attention to there being a problem in the home if there was not.


If child services were in involved with this family before that would explain why Misty acted as she did.....She didn't want to be the one to bring them in on this if possibly the child just wondered to a neighbor or something.....

[Deb7]

Also, dad says there were no custody issues but yet.....

"Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been investigations by a social services agency involving Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother Junior, according to Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose. He wouldn't elaborate."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

I'm guessing there isn't anyway we could find out what those investigations were could we?

I sure do wonder what that was all about.

[Peace]

Did anyone place any significance on the fact that the 911 operator had to ask Misty and Ron if the door looked like it had been forced open--and they had to check?

Perhaps Misty had already told Ron she left the door open so they never checked for forced entry before calling 911.

I don't know, that might be something you would look to see right away?

Don't know if it has any bearing.

Well now close your eyes and put yourself in that position...you just wake up and notice there is a child missing... do you run to see if the door lock was busted or do u just noted the open door and think i have to find her?

and... Depending on the door... and trailer doors are not that secure... you may not be able to walk by and tell... you may have to take a close look. i grew up in a trailer and i can't tell you how many times i had to break into my own home and my parents could never tell that either of the doors had been forced open...

[bluwaters]

me either & i read the whole thing.

The rumor about G&C being asked to leave is not something that I have seen in any news report.
I would love to know the source on that, but rumors are rumors.

[IM4Truth]

me either & i read the whole thing.

I looked back for the post and it is on page 2, post #50 and it does say "rumor, not confirmed". Again, sorry for quoting the rumor. I had just signed on and was catching up and missed the part about not being confirmed. Actually, I think I saw it in another post too, but in searching back, this was the one I found.

[Casecase]

I know what my response would be but people react differently. Its fight or flight and I go unto flight mode.
My gs was spending the night and we had just come home. We were in the computer room and he had to go to the bathroom. When he got to the hall he came back and said GM there is a man in there.. I grabbed him and headed out the back door. I wasnt taking any chances of investigating it with a child in the house. I went in the yard and called my sil to come over to look thru the house. (I always have my cell on me)I didnt even think about calling 911. :cursing:
It turned out what he saw was the street light reflecting on pictures in the hall.
I think we may hesitate to call 911 in case its nothing.


When I was little, our house was broken into. We came home and someone was in there. We actually knew he was there as we were coming up to the driveway because we could see the flashlight being shone out the front windows. Anyhow, if it were me, I would have gotten out of there and called the police from a neighbor's house (this was before cell phones). Did my dad do that? He did not. With his wife and three small children waiting outside, he ran into the house and chased the guy out of the house and out of the backyard. THEN the police were called. To each his own, I guess!


IMO

[IM4Truth]

I know what my response would be but people react differently. Its fight or flight and I go unto flight mode.
My gs was spending the night and we had just come home. We were in the computer room and he had to go to the bathroom. When he got to the hall he came back and said GM there is a man in there.. I grabbed him and headed out the back door. I wasnt taking any chances of investigating it with a child in the house. I went in the yard and called my sil to come over to look thru the house. (I always have my cell on me)I didnt even think about calling 911. :cursing:
It turned out what he saw was the street light reflecting on pictures in the hall.
I think we may hesitate to call 911 in case its nothing.

In your instance, if you and the GS were the only ones in the home at the time, yes, I would say grab the child and run to the closest neighbor. But what if there was another child sleeping in the room beyond the bathroom, what would you have done then?

[Casecase]

If child services were in involved with this family before that would explain why Misty acted as she did.....She didn't want to be the one to bring them in on this if possibly the child just wondered to a neighbor or something.....


Good point.


IMO

[Barbara fl.]

I know what my response would be but people react differently. Its fight or flight and I go unto flight mode.
My gs was spending the night and we had just come home. We were in the computer room and he had to go to the bathroom. When he got to the hall he came back and said GM there is a man in there.. I grabbed him and headed out the back door. I wasnt taking any chances of investigating it with a child in the house. I went in the yard and called my sil to come over to look thru the house. (I always have my cell on me)I didnt even think about calling 911. :cursing:
It turned out what he saw was the street light reflecting on pictures in the hall.
I think we may hesitate to call 911 in case its nothing.


Your right...my first thought would be to look all over for the child and when it was realized that she was in fact not in the house....THEN, I would grab the other child and run out of there and all over the neighborhood waking everyone up.....if I had a cell phone in my hands I would be dialing 911 but if I had to dial from the house where the child is missing from, I probably wouldn't be able to....I would have woken up a neighbor.....

But as one poster said, and as we probably all agree....we really don't know how we would react unless faced with this type of situation....

[Heidi J.]

Okay, it's 3 in the morning. I'm not sure if I was in that situation (and I am 59), that I would grab the other child and run out. I think once I saw one child missing, I would freeze on the spot, probably even couldn't breathe out of fear. It would take me a minute or so to come to my senses, check on the other child, then look for Haleigh. If I saw the door open, my first instinct would be to close it and lock it. I don't think I would grab another child and run out into the night. However, none of us really know, what we would do in a situation like that as fear overcomes us. When I hear any noises now, even neighbors shouting, I grab for my phone first and have it in hand.

Exactly.. now imagine being 17 (remember how immature we were then) years old! Also factor in no motherly instinct.. I think this young lady did fine.
I honestly don't see why everyone is putting this family's entire exsitance under a microscope. I suppose most everyone has not quite healed from the Anthony circus. But after being here for so long and watching all the other families ripped apart for no reason. Not everyone is evil, remember that. I think this guy is a standup father, he could have ran away like alot of others do.

I thought that was very humble of the Grandma to appolagize like that to Misty. Every one will be more resourceful as a team instead of individually. Not only do they have to be there for Haleigh, but also for Ron Jr. That poor child is celebrating his birthday today without his sissy.:crying:

I hope they find Haleigh today, what a wonderful present for Junior.

[OneUp]

If child services were in involved with this family before that would explain why Misty acted as she did.....She didn't want to be the one to bring them in on this if possibly the child just wondered to a neighbor or something.....
I think that's sound reasoning on both of your behalf. In my experience, MOST people who have had a report made on them to DCF are reluctant to bring scrutiny to their family. I agree that Misty may well have been trying to "fix" the problem before alerting LE OR Ronald ( who was sure to be angry and blame her...all of us would realize that!).
JMO.

[OneUp]

I'm guessing there isn't anyway we could find out what those investigations were could we?

I sure do wonder what that was all about.Maybe concern about Misty's age or the fact that she wasn't in school? In Ks., unless you are emancipated or taking your GED, SRS ( DCF) will investigate the "situation". I had lots of girls who were nearly 18 in custody for simple truancy issues.
It DOES sound like the reports began when Misty came in...maybe related to her alone, or perhaps someone in the family actually DIDN"T have faith in her ability to supervise the kids...of course, there is always the poss. of family making trumped up reports, it happens. I'm of the opinion that it MUST not reflect on how Haleigh and her Brother were parented, as LE seems to think the reports are negligible.
JMO.

[Themis]

Well now close your eyes and put yourself in that position...you just wake up and notice there is a child missing... do you run to see if the door lock was busted or do u just noted the open door and think i have to find her?

and... Depending on the door... and trailer doors are not that secure... you may not be able to walk by and tell... you may have to take a close look. i grew up in a trailer and i can't tell you how many times i had to break into my own home and my parents could never tell that either of the doors had been forced open...

Except for the fact that Ron Cummings stated to Greta on 2/12:

There is a lock on the knob on the inside plus it has a deadbolt -- 2 locks. He went on to say that deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once it has been locked. He said one has to push in hard on the door.
Ron said he keeps it locked. He checks it daily before he leave for work in mid-afternoon. He said it is always locked -- always.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

[Barbara fl.]

I think that's sound reasoning on both of your behalf. In my experience, MOST people who have had a report made on them to DCF are reluctant to bring scrutiny to their family. I agree that Misty may well have been trying to "fix" the problem before alerting LE OR Ronald ( who was sure to be angry and blame her...all of us would realize that!).
JMO.


I'm sure she panicked and didn't know what would be the right thing to do....and probably no matter what the outcome of this case...she is going to be blamed by the father...just because she was there.....I wouldn't want to be in either of there shoes.....

Let's just all hope that whomever took this little girl doesn't have too bad of intentions and will let her go somewhere.....maybe they are not murderers....(I pray)....anything else can be fixed....if they just let her go....

[Dunlurken]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493230,00.html

Morning all! I still think this is our guy. I was trying to back track the dates, etc. in my mind last night. Haleigh went missing last monday, February 9 or Tuesday morning, February 10. This guy has been missing since February 1. Gave him time to stalk, plan, etc. He needs to report in or something. I would issue this on national TV and state that he is a POI, if I were LE. Maybe it would bring him out of the woodwork if he is indeed innocent. He if did nothing wrong, then he could pass a poly. JMO.

Since Chad, Ron and and Misty are about the same age, did they know each other somehow? Did Chad work? JMO.

[Deb7]

The temps were listed on the first page today. It was 50ish. iirc

I do not know why Misty is answering any questions form the press at all. Just state that she is cooperating with the police and will have no comment to the press. She clearly is in no frame of mind to be making statements.

It seems that she is controlled by whomever she is standing next to at the time.

MOO, but I think that George A. wants to be the next TV personality for missing kids. It would of been no comfort to me for him to show up.

Also, the 2 families need to make a little more effort to get along. The police would have a very hard time, with the 2 separate camps, just trying to make sure that they both have the same information.

I felt the same way about N. Holloway's mom and dad. They weren't even on speaking terms.


Wait, you posted that temps are in the 50's?? I wonder why the AC guy came on the day/ night in question? I suppose they could just be getting a jump on the approaching good weather, but it was an observation I thought I would point out.
Here is a link to the article where it mentions the AC guy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.

[trich]

I agree that Misty would be better off not giving interviews. In the 9 minute interview I have referred to her contradictory answers at least confuse people .. if not make them suspicious of her truth telling.

I will never understand why people feel the need to respond to news media asking questions.
Even lawyers don't seem to be able to utter the words no comment.
I don't mean to be ugly but Misty does not sound like she is very mature or intelligent.
She sounds throughly confused and why someone just does not tell her to be quiet as far as media goes and just let the LE handle everything I
don't get it.
I believe she is scared to death of something or someone.

[johnielee333]

i feel that something is not right with the girlfriends story.
Remember, I am the fly on the wall ! JMO

[desmom]

From what I have read in the news reports, IMO, Misty was probably not wide awake. She woke to go to the bathroom and remembers seeing a 3 and something on the clock. On her way to the bathroom, she noticed a light on, probably went to turn it off and then noticed the door open.

The door being open would have made her do a double take and a what the heck. Maybe she did not close the door because she thought Ronald was home from work and had gone out the back door. She would check to see if his car was home. No car.

No car in the drive may have caused alarm, she checked the children and discovered Haleigh not in her bed. She would go through the house searching for Haleigh. No Haleigh. Did Haleigh go out the door? Haleigh is afraid of the dark. Search the house again. Head for the yard to search, can't find her. She stays on the deck to call Ronald because she does not want Jr. to hear her panic. Ronald pulls up as she is trying to call him. They call 911.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Except for the fact that Ron Cummings stated to Greta on 2/12:

There is a lock on the knob on the inside plus it has a deadbolt -- 2 locks. He went on to say that deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once it has been locked. He said one has to push in hard on the door.
Ron said he keeps it locked. He checks it daily before he leave for work in mid-afternoon. He said it is always locked -- always.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

He left at 4:00 in the afternoon. Did Misty open the door at some time during the day? I see the kids bicycles are out in the back yard. It's entirely possible Misty let them outside to play and forgot to lock the dead bolt. JMO.

[playnice]

In your instance, if you and the GS were the only ones in the home at the time, yes, I would say grab the child and run to the closest neighbor. But what if there was another child sleeping in the room beyond the bathroom, what would you have done then?

I dont know.:shrug: I think we just react and until it happens I really dont know. If that had been the case I couldnt fight off a perp and we would have all been killed. I probably still would have grabbed the gs and ran outside and probably would have called 911.

[Armchairdet]

I'm sure she panicked and didn't know what would be the right thing to do....and probably no matter what the outcome of this case...she is going to be blamed by the father...just because she was there.....I wouldn't want to be in either of there shoes.....

Let's just all hope that whomever took this little girl doesn't have too bad of intentions and will let her go somewhere.....maybe they are not murderers....(I pray)....anything else can be fixed....if they just let her go....


I think she panicked too. Like I said, maybe she was afraid to call 911 too soon, until she was sure they were needed. Let's say she had called but the little girl was outside. Police come, concerns for the children may be raised, dad is angry. I don't think she was thinking that there was an emergency...yet. She was waking up, and slowly working it out in her mind.

No matter how mature she is or isn't she is inexperienced in life in general. She may not think like someone here would either, because we understand how quickly things go bad for children. She may not be versed in things, so her first thought was not immediatly that a stranger took her.

IMO

[spageddy]

I'm a grown up. I babysit for 2 yo twins. Not too long ago one of them ran off. I grabbed the phone & twin #2 and ran all over the place. It was during the day and I was more worried at that point that the kid had fallen or something like that. I found the kid safe & sound within a few minutes- but I don't think I would have called 911 until I had finished searching the house. Point is: I don't think Misty's delay in calling 911 is necessarily a very big deal. I mean, you really have to look before you know a child is missing.

[Deb7]

Maybe concern about Misty's age or the fact that she wasn't in school? In Ks., unless you are emancipated or taking your GED, SRS ( DCF) will investigate the "situation". I had lots of girls who were nearly 18 in custody for simple truancy issues.
It DOES sound like the reports began when Misty came in...maybe related to her alone, or perhaps someone in the family actually DIDN"T have faith in her ability to supervise the kids...of course, there is always the poss. of family making trumped up reports, it happens. I'm of the opinion that it MUST not reflect on how Haleigh and her Brother were parented, as LE seems to think the reports are negligible.
JMO.

I was kind of leaning to the investigations being about the younger children and not Misti. I didn't even think about it being about her. Hmmm, good thoughts OneUp.

[Peace]

Except for the fact that Ron Cummings stated to Greta on 2/12:

There is a lock on the knob on the inside plus it has a deadbolt -- 2 locks. He went on to say that deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once it has been locked. He said one has to push in hard on the door.
Ron said he keeps it locked. He checks it daily before he leave for work in mid-afternoon. He said it is always locked -- always.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html


Now factor in the age of the trailer (which i admit i don't know). The door frames in older trailers are worthless... It was a deadbolt that i had to force open... get a crow bar just right or if you are skilled enough a butter knife and you can do it and the worst you will do if you are in a hurry is leave pry marks which can be faint or actually pop the door frame the lock goes into which is a simple fix by pushing it back in.

Now even with all that said... i still think there is something that the girlfriend is hiding. Her actions and the changes in her story just doesn't sit well IMO.

[PuffDragon]

I haven't listened to the video yet and will do so in a few minutes but this exchange from the transcript really made me uneasy. Why is Ronald answering for Misti and why is he contradicting what she's telling Greta? I could almost sense the surprise in her voice when Ronald said no and she replied by saying no? Almost as if she's saying the wrong thing. Now if Ron wasn't there, how would he know? UGH! This case will drive me nuts just like the others do. :unsure:

CROSLIN: Haleigh would have probably been closer to the back door. She was on the side of the wall closest to the kitchen.

VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?

CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?

CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?

CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.

VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?

CROSLIN: Yes.

CUMMINGS: No.

CROSLIN: No?

CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.

CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so--

I saw that interview when it was broadcast, n/t, and I actually didn't think there was anything bad about it. I thought Ron was very patient not answering for Misty until it was obvious that she was all asea trying to answer. When she said three inches you could tell he wanted to correct her because he knew it was wrong but he gave her a chance to change her answer when Greta pressed her, then when she couldn't he stepped in. I know a lot of men who would have jumped in scathingly the minute she said three inches, and he didn't do that. It seems as if Misty's not too bright and certainly not articulate, this may be just the way she thinks and how he is used to correcting her.

I would have to go back and watch it again from your point of view, but when I saw it I thought he was being kind.

[Peace]

I was kind of leaning to the investigations being about the younger children and not Misti. I didn't even think about it being about her. Hmmm, good thoughts OneUp.


The investigation could have been about the kids and her... she is a minor living in an admitted relationship with an adult.

[spageddy]

IIRC there was something said earlier about Haliegh missing a lot of school. Maybe that was what CPS was looking into?

[IM4Truth]

Wait, you posted that temps are in the 50's?? I wonder why the AC guy came on the day/ night in question? I suppose they could just be getting a jump on the approaching good weather, but it was an observation I thought I would point out.
Here is a link to the article where it mentions the AC guy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.

Evidently you don't live in FL. We can have a high of 88 one day and a high of 60 the next. You usually don't get an A/C repairman out on the same day you call. So that isn't unusual at all.

[Dunlurken]

Wait, you posted that temps are in the 50's?? I wonder why the AC guy came on the day/ night in question? I suppose they could just be getting a jump on the approaching good weather, but it was an observation I thought I would point out.
Here is a link to the article where it mentions the AC guy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.
Something "fishy" was going on there. I think we will find out drugs are involved somehow. JMO. Which is why the trailer is still closed up. It's a crime scene, no doubt.

Have to run out for a while. BBL.

[BorderCollieMom]

Morning all! I still think this is our guy. I was trying to back track the dates, etc. in my mind last night. Haleigh went missing last monday, February 9 or Tuesday morning, February 10. This guy has been missing since February 1. Gave him time to stalk, plan, etc. He needs to report in or something. I would issue this on national TV and state that he is a POI, if I were LE. Maybe it would bring him out of the woodwork if he is indeed innocent. He if did nothing wrong, then he could pass a poly. JMO.

Since Chad, Ron and and Misty are about the same age, did they know each other somehow? Did Chad work? JMO.

Chad, the SO worked at a steakhouse...called LOne-something ? Its in one of the articles.

[Santa'sMom]

Wait, you posted that temps are in the 50's?? I wonder why the AC guy came on the day/ night in question? I suppose they could just be getting a jump on the approaching good weather, but it was an observation I thought I would point out.
Here is a link to the article where it mentions the AC guy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.

We've had some ac days already but he could have been there to work on the heater too. If it's a central unit, it most likely handles both heat and air.

[Armchairdet]

Evidently you don't live in FL. We can have a high of 88 one day and a high of 60 the next. You usually don't get an A/C repairman out on the same day you call. So that isn't unusual at all.

Also if it is a rental, things probably get done when the landlord issues a work order, or makes an appointment? I am in Florida and have used the heater at night, and the A/C the next day.

[Armchairdet]

We've had some ac days already but he could have been there to work on the heater too. If it's a central unit, it most likely handles both heat and air.

Ahh, good point.

[Themis]

If child services were in involved with this family before that would explain why Misty acted as she did.....She didn't want to be the one to bring them in on this if possibly the child just wondered to a neighbor or something.....

Except that Ronald Cummings has stated that Haleigh is "definitely shy" and therefore would never walk off with a stranger.

He further stated Haleigh would not have left on her own because she is afraid of the dark.

Surely, since Misty had knew that, too. She had been living with them for about 5 months, right?

[Deb7]

The investigation could have been about the kids and her... she is a minor living in an admitted relationship with an adult.

Very true, I didn't even think about that. I guess she was only 16 at the beginning of their relationship so, that could probably have something to do with it as well. Maybe the kids being left with her all day or something? Who knows, but I am curious.

[IM4Truth]

Now factor in the age of the trailer (which i admit i don't know). The door frames in older trailers are worthless... It was a deadbolt that i had to force open... get a crow bar just right or if you are skilled enough a butter knife and you can do it and the worst you will do if you are in a hurry is leave pry marks which can be faint or actually pop the door frame the lock goes into which is a simple fix by pushing it back in.

Now even with all that said... i still think there is something that the girlfriend is hiding. Her actions and the changes in her story just doesn't sit well IMO.

Didn't I hear in one of Ron's interviews where someone asked him how the door could have been opened, he said maybe a crowbar?

[playnice]

Something "fishy" was going on there. I think we will find out drugs are involved somehow. JMO. Which is why the trailer is still closed up. It's a crime scene, no doubt.

Have to run out for a while. BBL.

do we know they are still in a tent and havent been allowed access to the trailer yet? Its almost a week later. If this is true you do raise a good point.

[Deb7]

Evidently you don't live in FL. We can have a high of 88 one day and a high of 60 the next. You usually don't get an A/C repairman out on the same day you call. So that isn't unusual at all.

Gotcha! Nope, I don't live in Florida. I was stationed there from Feb thru May when I was in the Navy though. I thought it was fairly chilly for the first couple of months though. I am a very cold person though. (I mean temperature wise lol)

[trich]

One time my son went missing....I think he was around 10/11 not sure.
but anyway he had lots of friends in the neighborhood and it was a safe place . he was always outside(now this was about 30 years ago too)...I looked in his bedroom and no he was not there ...so we called his friends and started walking the neighborhood.
I was just about to call the police ...didn't have cells then so I went into the house to call and walked by his bedroom and there he was asleep on top of his bed.
As we were looking for him he came home and decided to take a nap. He was not aware that he was "missing"(can you imagine if I had called the police only to find him in his own bedroom?)
what I am trying to say is I can understand it taking some time to call 911 for various reasons one of which I just posted.
Now had the child been an infant or too young to be walking that is a different story.
Believe me it is not a good feeling.....
I do not know what happened to Haleigh but I am seriously afraid she is no long alive.
Why people have to hurt children is something I will never understand.
I don't know why there has to be so much evil in this world.

[Deb7]

Something "fishy" was going on there. I think we will find out drugs are involved somehow. JMO. Which is why the trailer is still closed up. It's a crime scene, no doubt.

Have to run out for a while. BBL.


I was kinda thinking that too, but I noticed someone else mentioned that it is a central heating unit so the AC guy could also be the guy that fixes the whole shebang.

[Adalena935]

I saw that interview when it was broadcast, n/t, and I actually didn't think there was anything bad about it. I thought Ron was very patient not answering for Misty until it was obvious that she was all asea trying to answer. When she said three inches you could tell he wanted to correct her because he knew it was wrong but he gave her a chance to change her answer when Greta pressed her, then when she couldn't he stepped in. I know a lot of men who would have jumped in scathingly the minute she said three inches, and he didn't do that. It seems as if Misty's not too bright and certainly not articulate, this may be just the way she thinks and how he is used to correcting her.

I would have to go back and watch it again from your point of view, but when I saw it I thought he was being kind.

The thing is he wasn't there as n/t said. It may be a technacality but he knows too much for not having been there. My sons and would often move the furniture around when dad was working nites. He never knew we moved the furniture either.

Misty told Van susteren she wasn't sure that she didn't measure or anything.

So Ron DID measure? I don't believe him. Something's not right with that guy. I think he chose a young unsophisticated girl so he could manipulate her. Has he lost his temper and harmed his dtr and manipulated his g/f to helping him cover? I wonder.

[BorderCollieMom]

do we know they are still in a tent and havent been allowed access to the trailer yet? Its almost a week later. If this is true you do raise a good point.

I think they are still up the road in or around a tent. I read articles from this morning and I noticed that mentioned.

[spageddy]

Just a Theory Could Misti have propped open the door for some other reason- innocent or maybe not-so-innocent- forgotten to close it again, and be afraid to admit that she did it? Just a theory- thinking out loud, or with my fingers, or whatever...

[Deb7]

Also if it is a rental, things probably get done when the landlord issues a work order, or makes an appointment? I am in Florida and have used the heater at night, and the A/C the next day.

Another good point, thanks Armchairdet!

[canada]

Has it been determined if Haleigh was in school on Monday? Has it been determined if anybody else say Haleigh on the Monday evening such as the AC guy?

[beetlebrow]

Morning all! I still think this is our guy. I was trying to back track the dates, etc. in my mind last night. Haleigh went missing last monday, February 9 or Tuesday morning, February 10. This guy has been missing since February 1. Gave him time to stalk, plan, etc. He needs to report in or something. I would issue this on national TV and state that he is a POI, if I were LE. Maybe it would bring him out of the woodwork if he is indeed innocent. He if did nothing wrong, then he could pass a poly. JMO.

Since Chad, Ron and and Misty are about the same age, did they know each other somehow? Did Chad work? JMO.


How do we know that this guy didn't molest a boy??? It says lewd and lavicious.....that makes me think boy......I dont know why? IMO

[Adalena935]

I was kinda thinking that too, but I noticed someone else mentioned that it is a central heating unit so the AC guy could also be the guy that fixes the whole shebang.

What do you mean by fixes the whole shebang? sells them drugs? Is that what you're implying or was having an affair with the 17 yr old g/f?

There's a link in the links thread that says the ac guy was cleared early on.

[koawally]

Didn't I hear in one of Ron's interviews where someone asked him how the door could have been opened, he said maybe a crowbar?


Yes I heard this as well. He said it on Nancy or Greta

[playnice]

Thinking about the door thing.
I know some doors that open by sliding a CC thru them. How do we know it was only the back door? Maybe they came in the front, unlocked the back, propped it open so they could grab and run?

[Armchairdet]

What do you mean by fixes the whole shebang? sells them drugs? Is that what you're implying or was having an affair with the 17 yr old g/f?

There's a link in the links thread that says the ac guy was cleared early on.

I think the poster meant the repair man fixes the entire climate control unit. IMO

[Peace]

Didn't I hear in one of Ron's interviews where someone asked him how the door could have been opened, he said maybe a crowbar?


It is quite possible... it is also fairly quiet if done right (i've also had to sneak in after sneaking out at night when my parents were asleep).

[Katt2]

Just a Theory Could Misti have propped open the door for some other reason- innocent or maybe not-so-innocent- forgotten to close it again, and be afraid to admit that she did it? Just a theory- thinking out loud, or with my fingers, or whatever...

I find this to be an interesting thought that Misti may have propped open the door when she was taking trash out and then forgot to go back and close it before she went to bed.
Being she appears to be somewhat child-like she may be afraid to tell the truth about it for fear of punishment.

[Deb7]

What do you mean by fixes the whole shebang? sells them drugs? Is that what you're implying or was having an affair with the 17 yr old g/f?

There's a link in the links thread that says the ac guy was cleared early on.


No, wow the amount of assumption from that is astounding.

I meant he fixes both heat and AC.

You have a very active imagination let me tell you. :thumbdown:

[Deb7]

I think the poster meant the repair man fixes the entire climate control unit. IMO


That is exactly what I meant. Thank you Armchairdet. :)

[BorderCollieMom]

I believe Rons alibi so far. I would think that besides Misty, her brother is the last adult (or other person) to last see Haliegh...adding I also dont think either of her bro's Tim or Tom had anything to do with this.

OTOH, there is talk around the net of approx. 3 people with the last name Sapp, with a couple of connections to Mistys family, a landlord and a sex offender....
Im still trying to piece that together...

so, its all my opinion and nothing more (or less).

[ttcRider]

It is quite possible... it is also fairly quiet if done right (i've also had to sneak in after sneaking out at night when my parents were asleep).

With a crow bar!? :w00t:

[Regina.Lampert]

I find this to be an interesting thought that Misti may have propped open the door when she was taking trash out and then forgot to go back and close it before she went to bed.
Being she appears to be somewhat child-like she may be afraid to tell the truth about it for fear of punishment.

I think Misti was back there smoking, plain or roll your own, and that's why she had the door propped open, to get the smoke and smell out.

[Peace]

With a crow bar!? :w00t:


crowbar... butter knife (which you do have to kind of bend)... yeah... if you do it right you get a light like pop sound... from the lock being pushed in to the bolt housing thingy... almost sounds like when you use a key in it. it isn't very loud.

screw drivers work good too... there are many things that a person could have used to do it... the smaller the item the less likely to leave any marks.

[Themis]

I will never understand why people feel the need to respond to news media asking questions.
Even lawyers don't seem to be able to utter the words no comment.
I don't mean to be ugly but Misty does not sound like she is very mature or intelligent.
She sounds throughly confused and why someone just does not tell her to be quiet as far as media goes and just let the LE handle everything I
don't get it.
I believe she is scared to death of something or someone.

I agree with what you posted.

However, from all I have read it is SO important for the family of a missing child to get all the publicity they can to spread the word far and wide. Agreeing to being interviewed gives the parents the opportunity to issue a plea for the safe return of their child.

They can look right at the camera and ask for everyone's help in looking for their kidnaped child and also begging the kidnapper:
Please..please..don't harm my child..please..please!

In the interview with Greta -- on the 3rd night Haleigh has been taken from their home -- neither Ronald or Misty think to take advantage of that nation wide opportunity.

JMO

[desmom]

Thinking about the door thing.
I know some doors that open by sliding a CC thru them. How do we know it was only the back door? Maybe they came in the front, unlocked the back, propped it open so they could grab and run?

Good point Playnice!

Looking at google maps, the home appears to be very near a T intersection (LE report http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf lists the address.)

jmo

[playnice]

crowbar... butter knife (which you do have to kind of bend)... yeah... if you do it right you get a light like pop sound... from the lock being pushed in to the bolt housing thingy... almost sounds like when you use a key in it. it isn't very loud.

screw drivers work good too... there are many things that a person could have used to do it... the smaller the item the less likely to leave any marks.

Well I bet if your parent had caught you there would have been a few marks left.:tonguewag:

[Adalena935]

Even with a theory that Misty left the door open, still can't get past the fact that there's no evidence of intruder in the house.

Do we have any evidence of a stranger entering this home? No, we do not. - Pat Brown FBI profiler

[ttcRider]

crowbar... butter knife (which you do have to kind of bend)... yeah... if you do it right you get a light like pop sound... from the lock being pushed in to the bolt housing thingy... almost sounds like when you use a key in it. it isn't very loud.

screw drivers work good too... there are many things that a person could have used to do it... the smaller the item the less likely to leave any marks.

I see what you mean... I too use to sneak out at night but I usually brought along my key. :tongueside:

[Barbara fl.]

Except that Ronald Cummings has stated that Haleigh is "definitely shy" and therefore would never walk off with a stranger.

He further stated Haleigh would not have left on her own because she is afraid of the dark.

Surely, since Misty had knew that, too. She had been living with them for about 5 months, right?



Yes, if she was around Haleigh that often she would have known these things...whether or not she would have been thinking along those lines is another story....

I think she did realize something was terribly wrong and that someone had come in and took Haleigh, but she just didn't know how to handle the situation....

I know 17 year olds are often used to babysit, I baby sat at 15 years old...but it was always for only a few hours and I was getting paid to do it.....I don't think that this case can be compared....She was thrown into motherhood at 17 yrs old for 2 children that she didn't give birth to....I really can't think of too many 17 year olds that would have been mentally prepared for that....and I feel that the father took a chance in leaving her for so many hours to deal with these children....

I am NOT saying that she did anything to harm Haleigh (I don't believe that for one minute)....But I feel as though she is not being totally forthcoming with her story....JMO....I could be very wrong...

I wouldn't blame her for anything at all seeing as she is only 17 years old.....The father on the otherhand...should have known better but he too might be a very young 25 year old, who wanted to do right by his children and loved them dearly....the man did work 12 hour shifts to provide for them and keep a roof over their head...he just might not have realized that leaving them with a 17 year old was the best thing to do here....JMHOO

[Peace]

What, were ya'll too good for windows? :biggrin:


i was grounded from my key and well... the windows had been nailed shut so i wouldn't sneak out of them...

[Adalena935]

Except that Ronald Cummings has stated that Haleigh is "definitely shy" and therefore would never walk off with a stranger.

He further stated Haleigh would not have left on her own because she is afraid of the dark.

Surely, since Misty had knew that, too. She had been living with them for about 5 months, right?

When he said that I thought of the fake tests set up so parents can see that their children will walk off with a stranger, let a stranger in the house even though they've been told not to. The parents were shocked. They always show that at back-to-school specials.

Children Haleigh's age and older are not equipped to flesh out those decisions.

[desmom]

Has LE spoke to Haleigh's brother Jr.? I know he is 4 years old today,
but some 4 year olds are pretty talkative.

Happy Birthday Jr.!

[ttcRider]

What, were ya'll too good for windows? :biggrin:

Back then my jeans were so tight I could barly sit down let alone climb out a window!

[psbperu]

Satsuma has a population around 6,000 & is a sparsely populated area.

I find it hard to believe that a stranger abducted the child...for me it is more likely that it is someone close to the area who has watched the child...or we haven't heard the whole story from the Dad and/or his girlfriend.

[IM4Truth]

I think Misti was back there smoking, plain or roll your own, and that's why she had the door propped open, to get the smoke and smell out.

Very good, Regina! Since I first saw Misti & Ron arm in arm smoking, I have wondered if they smoked in the house. When I was a young child my parents smoked in the house & in the car as did all of their friends. Maybe when Misti was doing the laundry, she opened the door to smoke and got distracted and forgot to close it. I can understand her fear in not telling Ron the truth about that. The fact remains though is that there is still a missing child. I want to know more about the Sapp connection to the family. That is where my hinky meter, as they say, is going off. And now I have to go off and clean house and run errands.

[Mimi428]

I agree that Misty would be better off not giving interviews. In the 9 minute interview I have referred to her contradictory answers at least confuse people .. if not make them suspicious of her truth telling.

I don't yet believe she is TRYING to contradict herself or is deliberately trying to confuse people. Just as I didn't think the folks taking part in the discussion about bedwetting were TRYING to be contradictory &/or confusing. And I don't think the discussion of whether GA and Kidfinders were asked to leave has been deliberately confusing. What I do think is that it is difficult to interpret transcribed speech, it is difficult to convey exact meanings in writing & it is expecting too much to think that people in dire situations are going to be able to recall things that in an ordinary situation would be so trivial as to not be noticed at all.

If you asked me if my front & back doors were locked last night, the night before, two weeks ago & on any specific date - I would say, yes, they were. If you asked me if I had ever inadvertantly left a door unlocked (but thought it really was locked), I would have to say, yes, I have done that, too. And if you asked me to describe with perfect clarity every movement that took place at every hour last night - including what time my DH went to bed, what time I went to bed, what time I got up in the middle of the wee hours to go to the bathroom & what time he got up this morning (I know it was still dark), I could NOT relate that with specificity. Generalizations, I could do. With a reminder or two, I would probably remember more details.

JMO

[OneUp]

What, were ya'll too good for windows? :biggrin:LOL...Lavenia!
Seriously, windows on a trailer are generally pretty high off the ground, so unless there is a porch under one, it would be pretty hard to crawl in that way.
However, My DH informed me that his trailer was broken into ( more than once) by the intruders pushing up some sort of access panels UNDER the trailer. Basically they got ni via the closets.
That COULD relate here...I'm, not sure if anyone would think to check that, and if you could tell it was done unless the panel was left askew. I HOPE LE is aware of that, and as it's apprently a commonm way to break in I bet they are.
The other door is also an option.
I know I have read a case where an intruder came into a regular house through the underneath ductwork access ( wasn't that the one with the lawyer husband? Who they thought inititally killed his wife?), as well as hearing of entry via a roof/attic.
I still tend to think either the door DIDN't get re-locked by Misty at some time in the night OR the intruder had a key. Friend/family that was given one as back-up/for emergencies/water the pets type stuff..OR who stole a copy prior while in the house OR a past tenant. i always change my locks on a new home too...but I have learned that not all landlords do, even when it's the law. I had one landlord that I came to find out just switched one lock set to another house when tenants moved...but he never bought a NEW set. If that was the case, the intruder didn't even have to have lived there before! SKEEEERRRYY!
JMO.

[IM4Truth]

Good morning- Adalena, I am trying to find the link to the NG show on the 10th as well- not posted on the link only thread- where RC states that there is only a plastic lock on the back door. NG is asking him to describe the back door lock and he says it is plastic- he says nothing about a deadbolt on it. I don't know what to make of him either- IMO

Could there be two doors here? The screen door and the actual door? It appears to me that the screen door was the one propped open. Maybe it just had a plastic lock and the actual door had the deadbolt?

[OneUp]

Has LE spoke to Haleigh's brother Jr.? I know he is 4 years old today,
but some 4 year olds are pretty talkative.

Happy Birthday Jr.!
I hope they spoke with him as well. Four is plenty big to have a decent vocabulary...and kids that age are NOTICERS. He may have noticed someone watching them before or noticed Haleigh acting odd around someone in daily life.
Y'all KNOW how your preschoolers always catch you at things and recall stuff you WISh they would forget! i think he might be really useful, unless it WAS a stranger and he slept through the wholem thing...even then he might pick up on something in the house being out of place.
JMO.
I hope this sweet little boy has such a full day that the whole family can smile for a moment. it may be their last happy moment for a long while!

[Peace]

LOL...Lavenia!
Seriously, windows on a trailer are generally pretty high off the ground, so unless there is a porch under one, it would be pretty hard to crawl in that way.
However, My DH informed me that his trailer was broken into ( more than once) by the intruders pushing up some sort of access panels UNDER the trailer. Basically they got ni via the closets.
That COULD relate here...I'm, not sure if anyone would think to check that, and if you could tell it was done unless the panel was left askew. I HOPE LE is aware of that, and as it's apprently a commonm way to break in I bet they are.
The other door is also an option.
I know I have read a case where an intruder came into a regular house through the underneath ductwork access ( wasn't that the one with the lawyer husband? Who they thought inititally killed his wife?), as well as hearing of entry via a roof/attic.
I still tend to think either the door DIDN't get re-locked by Misty at some time in the night OR the intruder had a key. Friend/family that was given one as back-up/for emergencies/water the pets type stuff..OR who stole a copy prior while in the house OR a past tenant. i always change my locks on a new home too...but I have learned that not all landlords do, even when it's the law. I had one landlord that I came to find out just switched one lock set to another house when tenants moved...but he never bought a NEW set. If that was the case, the intruder didn't even have to have lived there before! SKEEEERRRYY!
JMO.

Most trailers no longer have the access panel. I don't know when they started removing them but i know the one i grew up in and the one my best friend grew up in didn't have one. My understanding was that they used to be used to access plumbing that ran under the trailer.

[lonetraveler]

I think Misti was back there smoking, plain or roll your own, and that's why she had the door propped open, to get the smoke and smell out.


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That makes total sense to me, too. Hasn't there already been allegations that the children's clothes smelled of pot at times. That was IIRC in the statements from the Maternal side of the family. Maybe she was warned not to smoke around the children.

[ttcRider]

Just so that I am clear - there are 2 doors, one is a screen door and the other is the one with the dead bolt, correct? So, it was the screen door that was propped open with a cinder block... so was the door with the dead bolt closed or also left open?? :confused:

[IM4Truth]

Just so that I am clear - there are 2 doors, one is a screen door and the other is the one with the dead bolt, correct? So, it was the screen door that was propped open with a cinder block... so was the door with the dead bolt closed or also left open?? :confused:

Oh Lordy, looks like I have confused someone again, was trying to get out of here so I'm going now for sure! That was just my question, not a statement. I was wondering if there were 2 doors.

[lonetraveler]

Could there be two doors here? The screen door and the actual door? It appears to me that the screen door was the one propped open. Maybe it just had a plastic lock and the actual door had the deadbolt?


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That is the way I understand it too. That the screen door was propped open, not the actual exterior door of the home. The exterior door of the home had the deadbolt, that is the way I understand this.

[nc1948]

That's what I thought I heard, too. Then I heard a shorter snippet of the same sound bite, and didn't hear the "needs him" part, so I thought I must have heard wrong earlier. But you heard it too, so it is confirmed. I didn't know what to think about that . Is George having delusions of grandeur? Or is he just saying that since he has recently been through a similar thing, he can provide comfort and insight? (though I think NOTHING could be similar to Casey and Caylee's demise)


Just got on and trying to catch up.

George has started his new career.

[ttcRider]

Oh Lordy, looks like I have confused someone again, was trying to get out of here so I'm going now for sure! That was just my question, not a statement. I was wondering if there were 2 doors.

No, I wasnt confused about there being 2 doors, I understand there were, my question was whether both doors were left open, one propped open and the other left ajar..
Meaning that if someone carried her out he shut the door behind him or not BUT failed to remove the cinder block??

[Mimi428]

Your right...my first thought would be to look all over for the child and when it was realized that she was in fact not in the house....THEN, I would grab the other child and run out of there and all over the neighborhood waking everyone up.....if I had a cell phone in my hands I would be dialing 911 but if I had to dial from the house where the child is missing from, I probably wouldn't be able to....I would have woken up a neighbor.....

But as one poster said, and as we probably all agree....we really don't know how we would react unless faced with this type of situation....

If I thought someone had come into the house, but had checked to see that they were not inside at that moment, I do not know if I would have run out with the other child. How would you know the "bad guy(s)" were not just outside the door WAITING FOR YOU?

And I don't know when/if it would occur to me that the missing child must have been abducted.

JMO

[desmom]

Just so that I am clear - there are 2 doors, one is a screen door and the other is the one with the dead bolt, correct? So, it was the screen door that was propped open with a cinder block... so was the door with the dead bolt closed or also left open?? :confused:



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Grace: OK. And what kind of a lock do you have on your door, the one that was propped open with a cinder block?

Cummings: It's just a little plastic lock on a -- just a regular screen door plastic lock.

ETA ~ Didn't Ronald say there is a handicap ramp on this door? I bet that cinder block has always been by that door to prop open the screen door for whoever used the ramp in the past. They probably never noticed if it if they rarely used the door as Ronald stated. jmo