Sunday Feb.15 #1

[sunstar]

she said she put Haleigh down at 8pm

question.......does Misti say the last time she saw Haleigh was at 8pm?

that can't be, because Misti said she washed Haleigh's blanket and put it on her.

question........how long does it take (on average) to wash AND dry?...assuming she washed a small load of laundry

A blanket could be done in about an hour if she put it on a short cycle wash, imo. :smile:

[Pebbles]

I am still leaning towards something happening to Haleigh before that morning. The reason I think this is so is because of all the inconsistencies.

Just because Misty and Ron say it happened in the early morning hours, does not mean it is so.

I am not saying anyone is guilty at this time, but all the different explanations has me wondering. Too many stories are being changed.

[jewel6]

Has anyone found the 4 o'clock presser yet, can't find anything on it..

firstcoast news?:confused:

[tootie]

Has anyone found the 4 o'clock presser yet, can't find anything on it..

I haven't. But if anyone does here anything please let us know.

[tmw]

Has anyone found the 4 o'clock presser yet, can't find anything on it..

Let us know when you find it. Thanks

[sunstar]

ITA,unless it was some kind of Pro locksmith,IMO.

I think they can even tell what key was last used in a lock, such as a duplicate key or whatnot. That is, if they (LE) took the lock off the door and examined it. :smile: MOO

[IM4Truth]

Should be a presser @ 4, this station should have it live.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

I didn't find one? Never mind, got it, had to sign in. Listening now.

[ortiga]

I would be surprised if Misti didn't make sure Haleigh was wearing shoes for that long walk to the water.

I'm not sure about this, but I thought the footprint was from a shoe, because people were pointing out that her shoes were still in the house.

[SavannahStar]

Or with a missing child. It has nothing to do with education. Jon Bonet, Elizabeth Smart, Madeline MCcane , these people were not POOR or InEducated but their children were abducted. Education and/or money do not protect you from the horrors of life, neither does lack of money or undereducation. I have become very offended by some of the posters comments on here about their lifestyle and educatio.
One poster even said she was brain dead. That is just too sick.

The brain dead comment was absolutely disgusting! :cursing: As were many comments earlier on this forum about their ages/lifestyle etc.

I used "uneducated" today and it was totally relative to her not being able to estimate distance, measurements, height/weight etc.

Not at all meant to be bashing towards her.

[sunstar]

I am still leaning towards something happening to Haleigh before that morning. The reason I think this is so is because of all the inconsistencies.

Just because Misty and Ron say it happened in the early morning hours, does not mean it is so.

I am not saying anyone is guilty at this time, but all the different explanations has me wondering. Too many stories are being changed.

And since he was at work all evening and night, he's relying on what Misty tells him. So something could've happened to Haleigh anytime after he left for work and she just told him she noticed Haleigh was gone right around 3am. MOO

[Myka]

Or if she just rinsed it out by hand.

do we know if they had a washer & dryer?

what about my other question? Does Misti say the LAST time she saw HC was at 8pm when she put her to bed?

[shellzbi]

I am still leaning towards something happening to Haleigh before that morning. The reason I think this is so is because of all the inconsistencies.

Just because Misty and Ron say it happened in the early morning hours, does not mean it is so.

I am not saying anyone is guilty at this time, but all the different explanations has me wondering. Too many stories are being changed.

You are so right. Maybe there is another story that has not been told yet?

[HouseOfClark]

Or with a missing child. It has nothing to do with education. Jon Bonet, Elizabeth Smart, Madeline MCcane , these people were not POOR or InEducated but their children were abducted. Education and/or money do not protect you from the horrors of life, neither does lack of money or undereducation. I have become very offended by some of the posters comments on here about their lifestyle and educatio.
One poster even said she was brain dead. That is just too sick.

I agree.

I just wish Misty would go back to school. For her sake.

[SavannahStar]

I don't think Misty is trying to cover up a locked versus unlocked door. She has consistently said she was pretty sure, but not 100% certain, that it was locked. She did know, however, that it was closed and not ajar, with the screen door propped open like she found it in the middle of the night.


I don't think she's covering up for anything, frankly.

[ortiga]

I don't think Misty is trying to cover up a locked versus unlocked door. She has consistently said she was pretty sure, but not 100% certain, that it was locked. She did know, however, that it was closed and not ajar, with the screen door propped open like she found it in the middle of the night.

Everyone probably knows this but me....however did the screen door open out? IE was it propped open towards the outside? The inner door....open in or out?

[HouseOfClark]

do we know if they had a washer & dryer?

what about my other question? Does Misti say the LAST time she saw HC was at 8pm when she put her to bed?

She put the blanket on her around 10, then she said "she" laid down.

My bet is she left the door open and forgot it was open when she laid down.

[sunstar]

I asked that on the first day. Is LE capable of taking the metal sample of the known key and doing a metallurgy on it, then dissemble the lock and do a metallurgy on any metal traces in it and compare?

I saw something on, I think it was Forensic Files, where they knew a duplicate key had unlocked a door because it left a residue inside the lock. So yes, I do believe they could tell. :smile: MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Happy Sunday all, just logging in. Anything new? Any searches today?

[HouseOfClark]

Outer (screen) door swung out and was held open with a block. Inner door swings in and was ajar.

That doesn't mean that she couldn't have closed the door to open the dryer door, but not closed it completely.

[sunstar]

Outer (screen) door swung out and was held open with a block. Inner door swings in and was ajar.

I was just thinking, if a stranger/perp had been there, I could see him propping the screen door open so he could work on the lock to get inside or so he wouldn't have to mess with the screen door while getting Haleigh out. But, if he's carrying Haleigh out the door, why would he turn around and almost close the inner door behind him, especially if he'd been bold enough to turn on the kitchen light? At that point it seems he wouldn't be hiding the fact he was there. :confused: MOO

[SavannahStar]

Happy Sunday all, just logging in. Anything new? Any searches today?

Nothing new. :sad: Oh.....I think there's going to be a presser at 5? I've been off and on here myself.

Good to see you, and hope your Sunday as been as wonderful as mine!

[ortiga]

I don't think she's covering up for anything, frankly.


Me neither. I think she's petrified in the interviews, has never seen a microphone and interview lights up close, feels really really bad about Haleigh, and has a hard time handling nuances. If you go back and look at the interviews, sometimes she's asked a question and the interviewer finishes the answer for her, and she says yes. This happened with the interview about the spacing of the bed. She was saying that the beds were about 2 chairs apart, and the interviewer changed it by saying, paraphrased, oh you mean as close as Ron is to you? When she didn't say that at all, she said 2 chairs apart.

I think this also happened with the 40 to 60 lbs, that she was stammering because she didn't know, and the interviewer finished her sentence for her.

IMO people are being completely unfair about her, being relatively uneducated is not the same as being "poorly" educated. When I was 17 if someone had asked me how much my 2 little sisters weigh I wouldn't have had a clue except that they weighed less than I did.

Maybe she left the door open, maybe she went out to meet someone (I doubt it, but maybe), but she doesn't deserve the sniping personal remarks, IMO.

Once again I suggest some posters go watch "Children of the mountains" on the ABC website.

[IM4Truth]

Not there either, can't find any updated news anywhere.

It was very short and I didn't even get in on the beginning. Just said family is still being cooperative, not doing any more ground searches tomorrow. Will hold on the to house a couple more days. That's about it, right now they are showing one of the nightly vigils. Seems like there is a lot of laughter for something like this.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

[WillowInFlight]

Nothing new. :sad: Oh.....I think there's going to be a presser at 5? I've been off and on here myself.

Good to see you, and hope your Sunday as been as wonderful as mine!

Thanks Savannah, it has been a wonderful day, but now hubby's covering an awards dinner and the girls are working so I have the house to myself for the rest of the night. :sneaky:

[nc1948]

The brain dead comment was absolutely disgusting! :cursing: As were many comments earlier on this forum about their ages/lifestyle etc.

I used "uneducated" today and it was totally relative to her not being able to estimate distance, measurements, height/weight etc.

Not at all meant to be bashing towards her.

Not meant for you. Just am amazed at how ugly posters can be toward a family that is living through a nightmare.

[OneUp]

*bolded by me

She goes into Haleigh's room?

I thought they were all in the room together?Maybe they WERE all together, but Misty thought Haleigh got up and went to her own bed at some point?
I'd look in the childs room too if she wasn't wherever she was put to sleep.
JMO.

[Facinated]

Perhaps while she was waiting for the dryer to finish she popped open the back door and had a cigarette.

Her boyfriend said it was difficult to lock the deadbolt, maybe she was too weak to engage the lock so she just locked the plastic lock on the screen door, closed the main door and went to bed.

JMO

[IM4Truth]

Information has been very scarce today, only thing I've seen is that Putnam County Sheriff's have moved the command post.

the 4 pm presser mentioned that and they said the family understands. Where was it moved to?

[AlohaRainbow]

Outer (screen) door swung out and was held open with a block. Inner door swings in and was ajar.

now i'm really :confused: :laugh:
earlier you posted that she said it was closed but "not ajar"??

I don't think Misty is trying to cover up a locked versus unlocked door. She has consistently said she was pretty sure, but not 100% certain, that it was locked. She did know, however, that it was closed and not ajar, with the screen door propped open like she found it in the middle of the night.

[WillowInFlight]

Information has been very scarce today, only thing I've seen is that Putnam County Sheriff's have moved the command post.

Thanks, I hate that there is nothing new. This is not good at all. Though I seriously want to ask "you" because I value what you think. How do you feel about Ron and Misty? Any involvement IYO?

[nc1948]

I agree.

I just wish Misty would go back to school. For her sake.

Me too, especally while she is young.

[Myka]

She's not as well spoken ( in interviews with media), but she's definitly smarter than Drew Peterson financee. I hate carparing people too..but. JMO

have we heard from anyone from Misti's family? Or anyone who knows her?

[HouseOfClark]

I'm not sure what you mean. She said she specifically remembers it being closed (but not necessarily locked) because she had just been in and out of the laundry room washing the sheets/blankets that evening.

She also says she had taken out the garbage.

Would she have used the same door?

What I mean is that if the back door was still open from taking out the garbage, did she or could she have just push the door back to have room enough to open the dryer door? They usually open out, not up like the washer.

Then take the blanket, put it on Haleigh, and by her own admission, laid down - without going back into the kitchen/laundry room area? Does she ever mention going back in there or checking all the doors prior to lying down?

[WillowInFlight]

Perhaps while she was waiting for the dryer to finish she popped open the back door and had a cigarette.

Her boyfriend said it was difficult to lock the deadbolt, maybe she was too weak to engage the lock so she just locked the plastic lock on the screen door, closed the main door and went to bed.

JMO

I thought he said it wasn't easy to unlock, that you had to really push on the door and no way could a child unlock it.

[Mamie]

I was just thinking, if a stranger/perp had been there, I could see him propping the screen door open so he could work on the lock to get inside or so he wouldn't have to mess with the screen door while getting Haleigh out. But, if he's carrying Haleigh out the door, why would he turn around and almost close the inner door behind him, especially if he'd been bold enough to turn on the kitchen light? At that point it seems he wouldn't be hiding the fact he was there. :confused: MOO

(Bolding mine) - Maybe because of the temperature change for the rest of the house. If he (they) thought she was asleep, it might wake her if the door was left completely open. Since it had a deadbolt on it, I take it it's a lot more secure than the screen door for several reasons. JMO

P.S. Forgot to add that we have Misty's word for it that no one turned the kitchen light on, but I'll bet she did and doesn't remember doing it. JMO

[Jester]

I'm not sure about this, but I thought the footprint was from a shoe, because people were pointing out that her shoes were still in the house.

I can't say anymore where I read it, but what I recall is that it was a footprint, and that the shoes were found in the house.

"Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleigh's shoes were still inside her home."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=295

[sunstar]

Really? Good. Makes sense to me.

I thought it was really interesting too. :smile:

[HouseOfClark]

Maybe they WERE all together, but Misty thought Haleigh got up and went to her own bed at some point?
I'd look in the childs room too if she wasn't wherever she was put to sleep.
JMO.

Hmmm, but she never says that she woke up, didn't see Haleigh, and went to kitchen/bathroom (whatever)? She doesn't mention that Haleigh normally goes back to "her" room at any time during the night.

I think we just need more information.

I keep trying to add 2 and 2, but keep coming up with 7.

[IM4Truth]

Thanks IM, that station has news at 6:30 and usually streams it, guess we will have to wait till then.

check it out now!!

[Neffy]

The brain dead comment was absolutely disgusting! :cursing: As were many comments earlier on this forum about their ages/lifestyle etc.

I used "uneducated" today and it was totally relative to her not being able to estimate distance, measurements, height/weight etc.

Not at all meant to be bashing towards her.

How about inexperience. She's 17. I don't remember any high school classes ever that estimated childrens weight. Much of this has to do after one becomes a parent and your given the weight of the child at birth and length. Subsquent visits to the Dr reinforces this on the parent.

Uneducated has no revelance here.

[sunstar]

(Bolding mine) - Maybe because of the temperature change for the rest of the house. If he (they) thought she was asleep, it might wake her if the door was left completely open. Since it had a deadbolt on it, I take it it's a lot more secure than the screen door for several reasons. JMO

I was just thinking he's propped the screen door open to get out easily but it seems contradictory to turn around and close the inner door, while trying to quickly leave with Haleigh. Maybe it's because I'm just not so sure yet there was ever anybody else in the house. MOO

[SavannahStar]

Not meant for you. Just am amazed at how ugly posters can be toward a family that is living through a nightmare.


Bolding to address.

You're in my head. I could say more but I won't.

:seeya:

[IM4Truth]

The article said they moved it to EOC, don't know what that is.

Emergency Operations Center, what I am watching now might be a report from yesterday but a man is speaking now.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
I think we just need more information.

I keep trying to add 2 and 2, but keep coming up with 7.
glad i'm not the only one :tonguewag:

[SavannahStar]

I saw that a week or so ago on T.V. It was amazing.


I'm going to be sure to check it out.

[WillowInFlight]

How about inexperience. She's 17. I don't remember any high school classes ever that estimated childrens weight. Much of this has to do after one becomes a parent and your given the wieght of the child at birth and length. Subsquent visits to the Dr reinforces this on the parent.

Uneducated has no revelance here.

ITA, I really wish people would give this poor girl a break. Heck we were looking at the MySpace's of her 2 sister-laws last night and they are a few years older with multiple children. No signs of trouble with them.

[IM4Truth]

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Hi Lucky...............why do they usually move it? tia

They said they wanted to move out of the neighborhood, so they could get back to normal lives there.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm going to be sure to check it out.

Knowing you the way I think I do, it will really touch your heart.

[WillowInFlight]

Without more information I don't want to point my finger at anyone, I do feel that there is a big timeframe in which Haleigh could have gone missing in.

JMO

Thanks for you honest answer. I'm having a hard time believing that Misty was involved.

[IM4Truth]

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where r u watching this? thanks

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=111540&catid=17

It keeps breaking up now, appears to be a repeat of the 4 pm.

[SavannahStar]

Me neither. I think she's petrified in the interviews, has never seen a microphone and interview lights up close, feels really really bad about Haleigh, and has a hard time handling nuances. If you go back and look at the interviews, sometimes she's asked a question and the interviewer finishes the answer for her, and she says yes. This happened with the interview about the spacing of the bed. She was saying that the beds were about 2 chairs apart, and the interviewer changed it by saying, paraphrased, oh you mean as close as Ron is to you? When she didn't say that at all, she said 2 chairs apart.

I think this also happened with the 40 to 60 lbs, that she was stammering because she didn't know, and the interviewer finished her sentence for her.

IMO people are being completely unfair about her, being relatively uneducated is not the same as being "poorly" educated. When I was 17 if someone had asked me how much my 2 little sisters weigh I wouldn't have had a clue except that they weighed less than I did.

Maybe she left the door open, maybe she went out to meet someone (I doubt it, but maybe), but she doesn't deserve the sniping personal remarks, IMO.

Once again I suggest some posters go watch "Children of the mountains" on the ABC website.

Great post, Ortiga. I agree 100%. :beer:

[AlohaRainbow]

was the door closed and ajar... or not ajar?????
:confused:

eta - i see now that the issue has been clarified
thanks!!

[SavannahStar]

Knowing you the way I think I do, it will really touch your heart.

{hugs} Thanks. I'm sure it will.:wub:

[WillowInFlight]

It looks like the garbage cans are in the front, no reason to use the other door. Ron did say he only used the door twice to take out the vacuum cleaner.

JMO

How long had they lived there? He also said he hardly ever went out into the back yard. Do we know if the kids ever played out there?

[jewel6]

Im sad to say this, but they obviously dont have a clue what happened to haleigh.:crying: jmo

[ortiga]

I can't say anymore where I read it, but what I recall is that it was a footprint, and that the shoes were found in the house.

"Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleigh's shoes were still inside her home."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=295

Well, why would they have noted that the shoes were in the house if it was a shoeless footprint? That's what I took away from that. Then yesterday I think they said that she had gone to the water with Haleigh and another child, which explained the footprints. I assumed with shoes, as I read that. I'm not sure if that also explained the dogs hitting at the water, don't know if it was the same place.

[ConchGirl]

I might not be as educated as most on this board but according to the police report. http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf Haleigh's bio Mom was born on 8/30/89 which makes her 19. So she had to have been 14 when Haleigh was born. :scared:

[AlohaRainbow]

Let me rephrase it then: she was sure it was closed, not necessarily locked, and not ajar at 10:30 pm. It was ajar at or after 3 a.m.
thanks - you've saved my sanity
(love your nic, btw)

[Facinated]

My gut tells me this was a third party involved abduction, Misty and the father seem to be truly distressed from the interviews I have seen of them.

I do think that the door was left unlocked in error and perhaps Misty truly does not recall but with no forced entry, it had to have been unlocked (or as someone else stated/another key used).

It just breaks my heart to see people in this kind of pain and no one should have to go through this.

RSO's against minors/children should not be allowed to live in an area where there are children, well... maybe they should not be allowed to live at all.

Find a deserted island with shark infested waters with others of like kind and quality and drop them off by helicopter. When will society realize that we can't cure these creeps!

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

About estimating weight/height. I have a problem with that but I do have a high school diploma, Im mother of 3, grandmother of 3 and when I was christmas shopping for my 12 month old granddaughter, I was buying tights for her and the sales lady asked me her weight and I said I don't know maybe she is
30 or 40 lbs and she looked at me incredulously, and I shrugged not remembering that her weight was 22 lbs.

I can relate to screwing up the weight/height estimation.

jmo

I'm even worse, I get two of my daughters birth dates mixed up, not the year but the day. :sad:

[ortiga]

was the door closed and ajar... or not ajar?????
:confused:

eta - i see now that the issue has been clarified
thanks!!

Now I am completely confused about the doors. If the inner back door was closed how could she notice the screen door being propped open?

[WillowInFlight]

My gut tells me this was a third party involved abduction, Misty and the father seem to be truly distressed from the interviews I have seen of them.

I do think that the door was left unlocked in error and perhaps Misty truly does not recall but with no forced entry, it had to have been unlocked (or as someone else stated/another key used).

It just breaks my heart to see people in this kind of pain and no one should have to go through this.

RSO's against minors/children should not be allowed to live in an area where there are children, well... maybe they should not be allowed to live at all.

Find a deserted island with shark infested waters with others of like kind and quality and drop them off by helicopter. When will society realize that we can't cure these creeps!

JMO

I also think a third party was involved, but I'm going with the third party wasn't a stranger.

[ortiga]

I saw that a week or so ago on T.V. It was amazing.

They just put it on the website, 6 parts. It blew me away.

[WillowInFlight]

Correct, you had to push on the door AND the lock was too high up for her to reach.

Would the light switch also be to high for her? I would think so. Even if she had dragged a chair to switch it on, what are the chances she would put the chair back where it belonged?

[WillowInFlight]

Now I am completely confused about the doors. If the inner back door was closed how could she notice the screen door being propped open?

Now see I thought the screen door was propped and the inner door was standing wide open. :confused:

[jewel6]

Yes and why did AMW last night not go into detail about this case and have a pic of this missing SO Chad. If his whereabouts is not know why is his pic not out there in the media. Do they know this was an inside job?

Why does Misty go into all this blanket detail? And with all the inconsistencies out there, why would Misty or Ron`s side not clear these up?.......Would they not want to put the attention on an intruder instead of Misty? If they could clear these things up, beleive you me they would.

I think LE is really grilling her and she has tried through the media to change her story to make it more believable thinking LE will back off. She is young and possibly uneducated and just did not think her story through. Now she has tried to backtrack and it has backfired big time.

So now she is saying she has been advised not to talk to the media. Once anyone connected to the case who supposedly wants the child back declines to speak to media red flags start to go up. Families normally want to keep the story current and in the media as much as possible. I am sure an interview with Misty is what all the media wants most.

If Ron were involved I doubt he would call Misty names in the police report. Staying united would be the priority.

Because shes being slayed in the media, and on the boards. jmo

[IM4Truth]

I might not be as educated as most on this board but according to the police report. http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf Haleigh's bio Mom was born on 8/30/89 which makes her 19. So she had to have been 14 when Haleigh was born. :scared:

It also says Haleigh is a MALE!!!!

[playnice]

Been gone all afternoon. Can someone just tell me if there has been any news today?TIA

[desmom]

I don't think it was locked either, but I'm still not sure a stranger/perp entered the unlocked door. I don't really think Ron would pad his story , but I do think she might change her story to protect herself from him. MOO

I am not sure about a stranger/perp either.

When I said Ron padded his story, I was referring to http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html


Cummings: ....And I checked to be sure that it is still locked every afternoon before I go to work.

Why would he check it every afternoon before he went to work? He trusted Misty to care for his children at work, but he did not trust her to lock the door? Wouldn't it still be daylight? Wouldn't the children be playing outside or riding bikes?

I did not realize Ron checked the house also. From the same link:

Cummings: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.


jmo

[shellzbi]

Yes and why did AMW last night not go into detail about this case and have a pic of this missing SO Chad. If his whereabouts is not know why is his pic not out there in the media. Do they know this was an inside job?

Why does Misty go into all this blanket detail? And with all the inconsistencies out there, why would Misty or Ron`s side not clear these up?.......Would they not want to put the attention on an intruder instead of Misty? If they could clear these things up, beleive you me they would.

I think LE is really grilling her and she has tried through the media to change her story to make it more believable thinking LE will back off. She is young and possibly uneducated and just did not think her story through. Now she has tried to backtrack and it has backfired big time.

So now she is saying she has been advised not to talk to the media. Once anyone connected to the case who supposedly wants the child back declines to speak to media red flags start to go up. Families normally want to keep the story current and in the media as much as possible. I am sure an interview with Misty is what all the media wants most.

If Ron were involved I doubt he would call Misty names in the police report. Staying united would be the priority.

All valid points. I agree with all you have posted. I cannot even add. Good Post!

[sunstar]

Would the light switch also be to high for her? I would think so. Even if she had dragged a chair to switch it on, what are the chances she would put the chair back where it belonged?

I thought she was 3 ft. tall. :confused:

[SavannahStar]

I also think a third party was involved, but I'm going with the third party wasn't a stranger.

I definitely think third party.....not sure stranger or not, though, yet.

[Neffy]

About estimating weight/height. I have a problem with that but I do have a high school diploma, Im mother of 3, grandmother of 3 and when I was christmas shopping for my 12 month old granddaughter, I was buying tights for her and the sales lady asked me her weight and I said I don't know maybe she is
30 or 40 lbs and she looked at me incredulously, and I shrugged not remembering that her weight was 22 lbs.

I can relate to screwing up the weight/height estimation.

jmo

Exactly. Now if your were the one taking these children to their check ups you'd more then likely have a better estimate to give.

[tmw]

I might not be as educated as most on this board but according to the police report. http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf Haleigh's bio Mom was born on 8/30/89 which makes her 19. So she had to have been 14 when Haleigh was born. :scared:


Here we go again.
It's a mistake she was born in 85 I think.

[WillowInFlight]

I thought she was 3 ft. tall. :confused:

You think she could reach a wall light switch?

[playnice]

I definitely think third party.....not sure stranger or not, though, yet.

I think so too. This is Lunsford all over again.

[WillowInFlight]

Here we go again.
It's a mistake she was born in 85 I think.

ITA, I think we came to terms last night that she was born in 85, and all the other reports were wrong. IMO

[emdragon]

now i'm really :confused: :laugh:
earlier you posted that she said it was closed but "not ajar"??

She is talking about when she went to bed, before Haleigh went missing.. she wasn't sure 100% the door was locked but was sure the door was closed and not ajar....

[sunstar]

I am not sure about a stranger/perp either.

When I said Ron padded his story, I was referring to http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html


Cummings: ....And I checked to be sure that it is still locked every afternoon before I go to work.

Why would he check it every afternoon before he went to work? He trusted Misty to care for his children at work, but he did not trust her to lock the door? Wouldn't it still be daylight? Wouldn't the children be playing outside or riding bikes?

I did not realize Ron checked the house also. From the same link:

Cummings: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.


jmo
Oh, I see what you mean now. :smile: Good point if he left for work in the afternoon, hours before dark. I'd think he'd expect her to make sure the door was locked before nightfall. It could just be, though, that he made these points knowing the bio-mom would have something to say about how he took care of the children. :shrug: MOO

[ortiga]

Now see I thought the screen door was propped and the inner door was standing wide open. :confused:

That's what I thought

[WillowInFlight]

I definitely think third party.....not sure stranger or not, though, yet.

Savannah. IMHO either these two are very good actors, which I know we have all seen before in these cases, OR they are truly victims, and surprising enough, I am going with they are victims at this point. They both have such haunted looks that I haven't really seen since watching Mark L. on tv.

[sunstar]

You think she could reach a wall light switch?

If it's at the same level as the ones on the walls in my house! :smile:

[SavannahStar]

Savannah. IMHO either these two are very good actors, which I know we have all seen before in these cases, OR they are truly victims, and surprising enough, I am going with they are victims at this point. They both have such haunted looks that I haven't really seen since watching Mark L. on tv.

I couldn't agree more.

[jewel6]

I tend to agree with you Jewel, yesterday Tim made a comment that things don't look good.

When should the things be back from the lab? I think that they have nothing unless lab comes back with something! :scared: jmo

[ortiga]

It was ajar.

ajar Adjective, adv
(of a door) slightly open

"Cummings: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock."

from upthread

And, that's the only way she could have immediately seen the screen door propped open, IMO

[desmom]

I thought he said it wasn't easy to unlock, that you had to really push on the door and no way could a child unlock it.

Kind of like children cannot open child saftey locks on the cabinets or the child safety tops on medicine bottles. :lol:

Can someone explain this statement? TIA

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

Ron: ....and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way.

Is he saying he purposefully had the lock installed incorrectly so it would be difficult to lock? Why would you want the door to be difficult to lock or unlock? What if the door was locked and there had been a fire?

Something is off with this locked door issue.

jmo

[iluvmua]

I agree, This is Mark Lundsford all over again.

IMO, they are victims.

[Mamie]

You think she could reach a wall light switch?

Hi there Willow, question about the light switch---do they place them higher in mobile homes than they do in regular homes? If they don't, I think it's very possible she could reach the light switch, if she's 3 feet tall, plus another six inches or so from the tips of her fingers to the top of her head, I think she could reach it. Not her brother, but she probably could. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

If it's at the same level as the ones on the walls in my house! :smile:

So it could be possible that given where the switches are Haleigh might have gotten up maybe to use the bathroom and left the light on to guide her way back to bed.

[PuffDragon]

She's a human being too, maybe not quite up to your pedistal. I don't even have a clock in my room, but my kids are grown. I remember getting up many times in the nignt, and glancing at the clock, without knowing the exact moment. Ron worked nights, everyone has a alarm clock when ya have kids. Wonder if the lil guy ever woke Ron up during the day? being a 3 yr old, 4 today , Happy Birthday, when Ron had to sleep, bet he learned to sleep a 3 yr. old noise. many people have to. thinking David Westerfield type pedophile.
JMO

Huh? I have a pedestal? :shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

Hi there Willow, question about the light switch---do they place them higher in mobile homes than they do in regular homes? If they don't, I think it's very possible she could reach the light switch, if she's 3 feet tall, plus another six inches or so from the tips of her fingers to the top of her head, I think she could reach it. Not her brother, but she probably could. JMO

I don't know about MH's, I know in my house the switches are probably at my shoulder level, and I'm 5'4.

[Neffy]

Kind of like children cannot open child saftey locks on the cabinets or the child safety tops on medicine bottles. :lol:

Can someone explain this statement? TIA

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

Ron: ....and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way.

Is he saying he purposefully had the lock installed incorrectly so it would be difficult to lock? Why would you want the door to be difficult to lock or unlock? What if the door was locked and there had been a fire?

Something is off with this locked door issue.

jmo

See the way I took that is it wasn't done purposely. My dear one aka Mr. Not Fixit is good for this. The lock on the door doesn't match the attachment to the door frame. Possibly you have to jimmy the door a bit to make them match up as there a little off.

Mr Handyman isn't always Mr. "Handy" if you know what I mean.

[ortiga]

Kind of like children cannot open child saftey locks on the cabinets or the child safety tops on medicine bottles. :lol:

Can someone explain this statement? TIA

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

Ron: ....and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way.

Is he saying he purposefully had the lock installed incorrectly so it would be difficult to lock? Why would you want the door to be difficult to lock or unlock? What if the door was locked and there had been a fire?

Something is off with this locked door issue.

jmo


That makes sense to me, everytime I do anything to my door, new lock, whatever, it doesn't really fit and the hole has to be made in a weird way to get around whatever was there in the first place. ie the old holes. And if it was something new like a dead bolt, he'd have to get it lined up with a new hole.

[ortiga]

LE corrected the birthday, same report also said that Haleigh was a male.

JMO


So the August 30th part was correct, and it is really 30 August 1985?

[jewel6]

------------------------

i definitely agree.

How long was it until they figured out it was couey? A week? Because i got discouraged on that case and now im getting discouraged now. Somebody has to come forward. jmo

[ConchGirl]

It's wrong. It also says Haleigh is a male. Makes you wonder how accurate the rest of the report is, doesn't it?

Even our IS Board says Haleigh is 4


Haleigh Cummings Misssing (179 Viewing)
4 yr old abducted from home, 4, Putnam County, Florida, 2/9/09hammer

[sunstar]

Kind of like children cannot open child saftey locks on the cabinets or the child safety tops on medicine bottles. :lol:

Can someone explain this statement? TIA

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

Ron: ....and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way.

Is he saying he purposefully had the lock installed incorrectly so it would be difficult to lock? Why would you want the door to be difficult to lock or unlock? What if the door was locked and there had been a fire?

Something is off with this locked door issue.

jmo
It sounds like the hole in the door frame doesn't quite fit where the deadbolt latch would normally go without maybe pushing on the door itself to get it to catch. Just my guess! :shrug:

[FoxySly]

Exactly, Mr. Lucky. I've never heard of a real fireplace in a mobile home.

moo

Well there is a whole lot of them out here. Also fact is there are very few built from the ground up homes here.

Sly

[WillowInFlight]

See the way I took that is it wasn't done purposely. My dear one aka Mr. Not Fixit is good for this. The lock on the door doesn't match the attachment to the door frame. Possibly you have to jimmy the door a bit to make them match up as there a little off.

Mr Handyman isn't always Mr. "Handy" if you know what I mean.

Thanks, I got his twin, mine installed our door never taking into consideration that when it rains the door swells.

[PuffDragon]

It has to be mistakes AR, IMO. Why would she purposely lie about Haleigh's hair color, weight, wheelchair ramp, height, etc., when it would clearly been seen by LE in 5 minutes. No reason to lie.

I don't think she was lying. Lavenia. As you said, what would be the point? I just wonder if she had a problem with concepts like that, and when faced with LE and reporters got nervous and made herself even more mixed up.

Thinking about it, it could make sense. If she had learning disabilities and lots of trouble in school she might have, with everyone's blessing, just dropped out. She might be perfectly okay doing day to day tasks, just not the kind you need to be able to master to get graduated.

[Neffy]

Would the light switch also be to high for her? I would think so. Even if she had dragged a chair to switch it on, what are the chances she would put the chair back where it belonged?

My kids were pretty darn resourceful. You know that spaghetti spoon type thing with the prongs on it. When they were young and short in stature and wanted to see what was in the cupboard above the sink/counter area they'd take that spaghetti thing out of the drawer swing it to latch onto the cupboard door pull and open. If they saw something they wanted then they'd get a chair.

[jewel6]

Thanks, I got his twin, mine installed our door never taking into consideration that when it rains the door swells.

My locks are awful. my house settles and you have to lift up and jimmy back and forth. i live on a hill. jmo

[CC I See]

I'm still thinking it's possible she wandered out an unlocked door. MOO... or was lured out. Someone could have called to her or she could have heard a dog or kitten cry and went to check on it. Maybe she left something outside and went to look for it and didn't want to wake Misti but thought to run out and get it. Didn't she like to wander off.... at least when she was a toddler?

[kitty1182]

I think she still may be close by...:sad:

[Facinated]

The details from Misty's statements would be coming from questions asked of her. I think the information about the blankets only came out because people were asking her what time she was put to bed. Then they ask what did you do after she went to bed, well, her answer was she washed the blanket, why? Because it smelled.

I think if we got the original story without her being asked to elaborate, it would have been ... "I put the kids to bed early, then I went to bed about 10, then I got up to go to the bathroom and noticed a light on, then I noticed the door open so went to check on kids and discovered one missing".

The details only come out because they are questioned, most people will tell the story short and sweet (mind you, I do know a few people that when telling stories come right down to what colour their underwear were... those are the people that I tend to not hear what they are saying after a short while and I drift into my own thoughts about what I have to get done, my mother-in-law for one, walked 10 miles to school uphill both ways etc. etc.) LOL

JMO

[ortiga]

When HE came home, it was wide open. When Misty first found it, it was ajar. She knew she hadn't left it like that when she went to bed, so she then opened it further and saw the screen door propped open.


I can't see Misty using the word "ajar".

[WillowInFlight]

I don't think she was lying. Lavenia. As you said, what would be the point? I just wonder if she had a problem with concepts like that, and when faced with LE and reporters got nervous and made herself even more mixed up.

Thinking about it, it could make sense. If she had learning disabilities and lots of trouble in school she might have, with everyone's blessing, just dropped out. She might be perfectly okay doing day to day tasks, just not the kind you need to be able to master to get graduated.

The dispatcher asked what Haleigh's hair color is, Misty say's white, In my mind I'm thinking she is so scared and not really thinking that she thought the dispatcher asked what color the child is. When you're in shock you have selective hearing, I know that for a fact.

[nc1948]

Bolding to address.

You're in my head. I could say more but I won't.

:seeya:


I posted a whole rant, then fell off my soap box. When I picked my self up decided I better not send what I had written. sometimes , it is best that I reread what I have written and just let it go. People that post ugly would not get it anyway. They, their families, and friends are all obviously highly educated, monied and perfect.

[sunstar]

So it could be possible that given where the switches are Haleigh might have gotten up maybe to use the bathroom and left the light on to guide her way back to bed.

Yes, especially to reach up and turn a light on, assuming of course it's a normal light switch (vertical). :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

My kids were pretty darn resourceful. You know that spaghetti spoon type thing with the prongs on it. When they were young and short in stature and wanted to see what was in the cupboard above the sink/counter area they'd take that spaghetti thing out of the drawer swing it to latch onto the cupboard door pull and open. If they saw something they wanted then they'd get a chair.

Oh you mean the place that all the candy and cookies and FRITOS were hidden. LOL I had a son like that, then he would find his own hiding place. I hated when they outsmarted me. :laugh:

[ortiga]

The dispatcher asked what Haleigh's hair color is, Misty say's white, In my mind I'm thinking she is so scared and not really thinking that she thought the dispatcher asked what color the child is. When you're in shock you have selective hearing, I know that for a fact.


Do you remember the question? I thought she said "white" as in white not black, and I could see she hadn't understood. But the only question that really stood out was the "numerical", as in "what is the numerical"? Which, as I said earlier, I don't blame her at all for saying huh?

[sunstar]

My kids were pretty darn resourceful. You know that spaghetti spoon type thing with the prongs on it. When they were young and short in stature and wanted to see what was in the cupboard above the sink/counter area they'd take that spaghetti thing out of the drawer swing it to latch onto the cupboard door pull and open. If they saw something they wanted then they'd get a chair.

I know what you mean, and they usually start doing things like that much earlier than age 5! MOO

[SavannahStar]

I'm most interested in the poster who said the former tenant of the home is on the sexual offender list and his last known residence is Tallahassee. That's a huge clue imo.

Maybe, maybe not. To me a "huge clue" means that is the answer to the crime. I'm not so sure. I'd agree that it's a "huge lead." Word play, I know.

[Neffy]

Oh you mean the place that all the candy and cookies and FRITOS were hidden. LOL I had a son like that, then he would find his own hiding place. I hated when they outsmarted me. :laugh:

:laugh::laugh:

[ortiga]

That's what I'm wondering now too. Is he saying he had the lock installed purposely that way? If so, that rules out the previous renter having a lock to it. I can't imagine a situation where he's put in deadbolts for safety of his family, then give a key out to anyone who doesn't live there.

Something's off with his story or he's not expressing himself clearly.

I know he installed the dead bolt on the back door, but I don't remember him saying that he installed one on the front door. Does anyone remember that?

[WillowInFlight]

Do you remember the question? I thought she said "white" as in white not black, and I could see she hadn't understood. But the only question that really stood out was the "numerical", as in "what is the numerical"? Which, as I said earlier, I don't blame her at all for saying huh?

I hadn't heard that, but who phrases a question like that?

[Neffy]

I know what you mean, and they usually start doing things like that much earlier than age 5! MOO

By 5 they're pros! :laugh:

[SavannahStar]

Do you remember the question? I thought she said "white" as in white not black, and I could see she hadn't understood. But the only question that really stood out was the "numerical", as in "what is the numerical"? Which, as I said earlier, I don't blame her at all for saying huh?


That's how I recall it, Ortiga.

[Mamie]

See the way I took that is it wasn't done purposely. My dear one aka Mr. Not Fixit is good for this. The lock on the door doesn't match the attachment to the door frame. Possibly you have to jimmy the door a bit to make them match up as there a little off.

Mr Handyman isn't always Mr. "Handy" if you know what I mean.

Nothing matches on any of the four doors on the place where I live either, and my landlord worked in new home construction for 30 years and brags about it! Honestly, I could do a better job in my sleep and am going through the process of making the doors and locks better. You may be right on the deadbolt that maybe Ron didn't put it on correctly and then had to finish it the way it was in there in order to use it. JMO

[Facinated]

That's what I'm wondering now too. Is he saying he had the lock installed purposely that way? If so, that rules out the previous renter having a lock to it. I can't imagine a situation where he's put in deadbolts for safety of his family, then give a key out to anyone who doesn't live there.

Something's off with his story or he's not expressing himself clearly.

LOL, I am thinking about some of my husbands home handy work, definately not professional looking jobs, "he installed it that way on purpose" could mean he installed it that way by sloppy workmanship but rather than admit he made a mistake, said he planned it that way so it would be hard to open.

[ortiga]

I hadn't heard that, but who phrases a question like that?

That's why I think part of the initial confusion came from the way the dispatcher asked the questions.

[CC I See]

:laugh::laugh:

... and that is another reason she could have turned the light on, she was getting a snack. I'm still going with my theory that the door got unlocked earlier that evening and might have been opened slightly and Haleigh went out it for some reason.

[KittyMom]

Okay, given the fact that we've accounted for all the SO's in the area on the night in question, I say its time to expand that part of the investigation. Find out who visited these SO's in the days before Haleigh disappeared. Also, find out about visitors to neighbors. Who is a regular visitor? Who was there often enough to notice a routine? Someone was watching this home and that someone was watching it for a period of time. So, who was in the neighborhood that didn't actually live there?

[Grandview]

So the August 30th part was correct, and it is really 30 August 1985?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349122&highlight=driver%27s+license&page=27

scroll down to post 1053
B'day 4/30/85 per D.L.

[caphill]

If Misti went to bed around 10:00pm and didn't wake up until around 3, that child could have been taken anytime during that 5 hours. Since that back door was not used by the family except on a few occasions it could have been unlocked for a period of time and Ron and Misti assumed it was locked.

Unfortunately, if a stealth person wants to enter your house in the middle of the night they can find a way. Nobody addressed whether the front door was unlocked or what kind of lock was on that door. I am sure all windows and other means of access has been checked. It could be possible someone entered through another means and left through the back door.

The LE is certainly keeping this investigation close to their chests. It is known the child was at home after her father left for work and she was gone by the time he returned home. Whoever took her could one of millions people who lived around Fla or was passing by.

[Neffy]

LOL, I am thinking about some of my husbands home handy work, definately not professional looking jobs, "he installed it that way on purpose" could mean he installed it that way by sloppy workmanship but rather than admit he made a mistake, said he planned it that way so it would be hard to open.


:laugh::laugh: Yes it was the "plan" LMAO!

[sunstar]

By 5 they're pros! :laugh:

Exactly! And a 5 y/o would be able to get up during the night by herself and go to the kitchen and bathroom. And walk out an unlocked door. MOO

[Facinated]

Your husband's testosterone levels are fine, in case you ever worried. :laugh:

You got that right.... I think about 90% of the men on this planet can't admit when they are wrong... Oh, and they can't read instructions either!

[KittyMom]

LOL, I am thinking about some of my husbands home handy work, definately not professional looking jobs, "he installed it that way on purpose" could mean he installed it that way by sloppy workmanship but rather than admit he made a mistake, said he planned it that way so it would be hard to open.

ITA. My Tim Allenish hubby once hung a mirror for me that was off center by a good 3 inches. He had this long explanation for why it had to be that way. :glare: yeah...

[jewel6]

I dont see ron replacing the lock. We have to think hes only 25 and hadnt lived there that long! When i was first married we lived in a mobile home. It was a rental. i never thought about things like that. Some one did try to come in the back door. The bent it to heck. police said it looked like a crow bar. jmo

[nc1948]

That's why I think part of the initial confusion came from the way the dispatcher asked the questions.

Did the dispatcher actually say "what is the numerical?" I would have said "What". and I am a bookkeeper. I have never heard it stated like that to ask what your address is.

[SavannahStar]

Good point! WHO does lol? I know when they first came out with cars that would show you door is "ajar", I would always make one of my lame-o jokes to the kids about "Look! The door's now a jar! It was a jar and now it's a door again." :rolleyes: (to myself) (Ya'll know I'm dooming my kids don't you? :laugh:)

I'd prolly say the door was open a little bit. :biggrin:

[KittyMom]

You got that right.... I think about 90% of the men on this planet can't admit when they are wrong... Oh, and they can't read instructions either!

ITA...no reading of instructions and no asking for directions :rolleyes:

[Neffy]

I can't see Misty using the word "ajar".

I don't know where 10:30 came into play either :shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

That's how I recall it, Ortiga.

I just listened to the 911 call again, they ask for a description, she says she has long curly hairy, the dispatcher says what color? she says she's white..

After listening to this call again I can see why Misty is the mess she is, she's trying to answer questions, she has Ron yelling in the background, she is terrified.

[ConchGirl]

You got that right.... I think about 90% of the men on this planet can't admit when they are wrong... Oh, and they can't read instructions either!

Bad design and parts are missing. :biggrin:

[ortiga]

Me too. I think a lot of us assume that life's "norms" are the same everywhere, but they truly are not. I used to be horrified about child marriages in some of the less-developed countries across the pond ... until I learned it happens here at home too. More than any of us really know.

I would imagine that teen that was getting raped by the relative would see a life in a large home and with a decent guy with a steady job and some nice kids as being heaven, despite still being a teen. Remember that first woman was 30, and already had 3 kids and 3 grandkids.

I don't mean Misty by any means, so this is not a rumor!!!!!

I'm just saying that sometimes our own expectations are not as simple as those of women in those American sub-cultures.

PS I'm talking about "children of the mountains" not anyone in this case.

[SavannahStar]

Did the dispatcher actually say "what is the numerical?" I would have said "What". and I am a bookkeeper. I have never heard it stated like that to ask what your address is.

Yes, I HEARD "what is the numerical?"

I would ask, "what is your house number?"

:shrug:

[KittyMom]

Bad design and parts are missing. :biggrin:

Oh, I've heard the missing parts thing before. My hubby has also had several projects that ended with a ziplock bag of "extra" pieces...nuts, bolts, screws... :scared:

[Destini]

They sure ruled him out fast!


One tip that has generated some interest is the search for a missing sex offender.

25 year-old Chad Eugene Reynolds was last seen February first leaving his mother's home.

He was reported missing three days later.

Reynolds was last seen in a borrowed car near the Marion/Lake County lines.

Reynolds was convicted in Putnam County of charges from 2002 of armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12.

Police said they are aware of Reynolds but they say he has no connection to Haleigh Cummings.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/police-were-frustrated.html

[sunstar]

I just listened to the 911 call again, they ask for a description, she says she has long curly hairy, the dispatcher says what color? she says she's white..

After listening to this call again I can see why Misty is the mess she is, she's trying to answer questions, she has Ron yelling in the background, she is terrified.

Exactly! Especially with him threatening to kill whoever did this and maybe she knows she might have left the door unlocked. :sad: MOO

[jewel6]

O/T LOL.....My twins learned real quick to stand on each others shoulders. One is stocky like their dad and one is long and lean like me. They somehow knew the heavier one should be on bottom. This started when they were still in walkers. First it was cute then it was a nightmare.


My oldest would pick the locks on the cabinents with my spoons sitting in his walker. I couldnt figure out where all my spoons were until he got it opened and drank the 409. after i called poison control i looked in the cabinent and found all the spoons!:scared:

[KittyMom]

O/T LOL.....My twins learned real quick to stand on each others shoulders. One is stocky like their dad and one is long and lean like me. They somehow knew the heavier one should be on bottom. This started when they were still in walkers. First it was cute then it was a nightmare.

:ohmy: Bet that kept you on your toes!

[SavannahStar]

They sure ruled him out fast!


One tip that has generated some interest is the search for a missing sex offender.

25 year-old Chad Eugene Reynolds was last seen February first leaving his mother's home.

He was reported missing three days later.

Reynolds was last seen in a borrowed car near the Marion/Lake County lines.

Reynolds was convicted in Putnam County of charges from 2002 of armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12.

Police said they are aware of Reynolds but they say he has no connection to Haleigh Cummings.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/police-were-frustrated.html


Interesting.

So who was it on here this morning who posted: "THIS IS HIM!!!!" :biggrin:

A lead.....but not a clue. IMO. The lead didn't pan out.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, I HEARD "what is the numerical?"

I would ask, "what is your house number?"

:shrug:

Wow, I wonder what happened after Ron hung up with 911 and LE got there. No way do I believe he is involved, that guy is shell shocked to me, and I can see, being the person I am how talking to a dispatcher is getting us nowhere, I want action and I want it now.

[WillowInFlight]

Interesting.

So who was it on here this morning who posted: "THIS IS HIM!!!!" :biggrin:

A lead.....but not a clue. IMO. The lead didn't pan out.

Dunnie insisted yesterday that He was our perp. Case closed.

[Mamie]

I don't know about MH's, I know in my house the switches are probably at my shoulder level, and I'm 5'4.

Okay so you got me to get up and go stand by one of my light switches. LOL. It comes about 4-5 inches lower than my shoulder so I'd say it's probably about the same height as yours! Hey, we have something in common, girlfriend!!

[ortiga]

Off-topic, but it reminds of the news this week of a 13-year old in England who just fathered a child. When asked if he would be able to support his child financially, he answered "What is 'financially'?"


I know, I saw his baby face little picture. Turns out that there is another kid, 15 IIRC, claiming he could be the dad, too. :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Dunnie insisted yesterday that He was our perp. Case closed.

Oh yes, Dunnie, that was who it was.

I try not to make up my mind too soon on these cases.

[ortiga]

I just listened to the 911 call again, they ask for a description, she says she has long curly hairy, the dispatcher says what color? she says she's white..

After listening to this call again I can see why Misty is the mess she is, she's trying to answer questions, she has Ron yelling in the background, she is terrified.


That dispatcher did a bad job, IMO. She should have said "and what color is the hair". In some parts of the country the word "what color?" automatically puts one in the mode of describing race.

[BorderCollieMom]

I don't see a rear door, let alone a hand-rail coming off of it lol Only 2 windows along the back (one small in forefront, one larger further back).

The police report lists the so-called back door as.....

the SIDE / back door. just thought i'd throw that out there.

Does anyone know of a LEGIT & permissable website that CW would the link to the police reports ?

Im reading them on a site that im pretty sure cant be linked.

I am curious about a couple of things on that report.

[Destini]

Interesting.

So who was it on here this morning who posted: "THIS IS HIM!!!!" :biggrin:

A lead.....but not a clue. IMO. The lead didn't pan out.

Have you ever looked at the RSO offender site & did a search for the absconders? There are so many unaccounted for. The odds it would be this particular guy just seemed so low to me.

There could be any number of them hiding out, address unknown, in that area or even right in your own neighborhood. Like Couey, again. Scary.

[jewel6]

That dispatcher did a bad job, IMO. She should have said "and what color is the hair". In some parts of the country the word "what color?" automatically puts one in the mode of describing race.

I had to call 911 once my grandmother was very sick. it was in the middle of the night. They asked me my address and i couldnt remember!

[sunstar]

She doesn't seem very sophisticated to me. Don't you suppose the FBI and the Sheriff could break her and get to the truth behind closed doors without the yelling threatening boyfriend present?

I would think so. MOO

[kitty1182]

Did the dispatcher actually say "what is the numerical?" I would have said "What". and I am a bookkeeper. I have never heard it stated like that to ask what your address is.

I would have thought they were asking for my phone number..lol
The time I had to call 911 (when I finally figured out the mumber,lol)
I was asked what was my address....

[ortiga]

They sure ruled him out fast!


One tip that has generated some interest is the search for a missing sex offender.

25 year-old Chad Eugene Reynolds was last seen February first leaving his mother's home.

He was reported missing three days later.

Reynolds was last seen in a borrowed car near the Marion/Lake County lines.

Reynolds was convicted in Putnam County of charges from 2002 of armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12.

Police said they are aware of Reynolds but they say he has no connection to Haleigh Cummings.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/police-were-frustrated.html

Thank you for the link, but do they mean no "known" connection? They can't find Haleigh, and they can't find this guy Reynolds, so how do they know???

[lonetraveler]

... or was lured out. Someone could have called to her or she could have heard a dog or kitten cry and went to check on it. Maybe she left something outside and went to look for it and didn't want to wake Misti but thought to run out and get it. Didn't she like to wander off.... at least when she was a toddler?

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I'm wondering if Hayleigh woke up and couldn't find Misti and the door was open so she went outside to see if she was in the yard and then......I don't know. Hayleigh is old enough to tell Daddy if she stumbled onto something that Misti would not want RC to know.

[jewel6]

Thank you for the link, but do they mean no "known" connection? They can't find Haleigh, and they can't find this guy Reynolds, so how do they know???

ITA! It has been a while. I dont think they know what happened to haileigh. jmo

[Neffy]

THAKNS!! Des...........WOW you are correct they sure ruled him out fast!!....How can they do that without finding him?.....Looks to me like LE may think this is an inside job. Unless they have another perp in mind !!

IIRC he went missing before Haleigh did and under suspicious circumstances surrounding his welfare is what it sounded like to me.

[Destini]

Thank you for the link, but do they mean no "known" connection? They can't find Haleigh, and they can't find this guy Reynolds, so how do they know???

I don't know, unless they're hot on someone else's trail, but that's not what they're saying.

Maybe they've tracked this guy's cell phone to another area at the time or something. :shrug:

[CelticDawn]

Yes, I HEARD "what is the numerical?"

I would ask, "what is your house number?"

:shrug:

Hi Savannah...

We have to remember where these people live....ANOTHER world

[SavannahStar]

Thank you for the link, but do they mean no "known" connection? They can't find Haleigh, and they can't find this guy Reynolds, so how do they know???

There's probably a lot they are keeping close to the vest.

:shrug:

[CC I See]

Yes, I HEARD "what is the numerical?"

I would ask, "what is your house number?"

:shrug:... maybe the Dispatcher was testing her maturity and IQ level to make a determination of some kind.

[SavannahStar]

Hi Savannah...

We have to remember where these peole live....ANOTHER world

Even the dispatcher? :lol:

[jewel6]

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I'm wondering if Hayleigh woke up and couldn't find Misti and the door was open so she went outside to see if she was in the yard and then......I don't know. Hayleigh is old enough to tell Daddy if she stumbled onto something that Misti would not want RC to know.

If she did go out and didnt see misty. I dont beleive she just wandered all over the neighborhood or woods alone in the dark. We can all assume she didnt go all the way to the tracks or river by herself in the dead of the night. Thats kind of a long way for a five year old. My gut is she was taken or hurt by someonelse. JMO

[SavannahStar]

... maybe the Dispatcher was testing her maturity and IQ level to make a determination of some kind.

I can't see that at all......no way, when an emergency call comes in....IMO though.

[WillowInFlight]

That dispatcher did a bad job, IMO. She should have said "and what color is the hair". In some parts of the country the word "what color?" automatically puts one in the mode of describing race.

Oh ITA, but it's because of statements like this people want to tear Misty down. I will admit yes she is uneducated, she is below income, but I don't believe for a second the defines who she is. Age, income and education should be off limits. And if you think not, then ask our fully educated congressman that thought they were above the law.

ETA: not you statement ortiga

[SavannahStar]

<SPEW!> :laugh:

Oh.......that was a joke? :thumbdown:

[ortiga]

I had to call 911 once my grandmother was very sick. it was in the middle of the night. They asked me my address and i couldnt remember!


Well I can sure see that happening to me too. That's why I think that dispatcher did a poor job. If anything at all, they should expect people to be going crazy, and they should ask clear questions, not little add ons like "what color" or "what's the numerical". Should be clear questions with the subject repeated.

[CC I See]

We know that Misti is a smoker.... many people go outside to smoke to keep the second hand smoke level down for their children. If she went outside to smoke, it's possible that someone could have slipped in or Haleigh slip out during the time she was outside.

[WillowInFlight]

... maybe the Dispatcher was testing her maturity and IQ level to make a determination of some kind.

You're joking right? I would suggest that you take a course on being a 911 operator.

[sunstar]

Don't the vast majority of 911 systems know your address and phone number? When I've called, they say, "And this is Ms. Jones at 3837 Main St. and your phone is 555-7346?" (Ya'll don't call me now that you have my info.:thumbup:)

Yes, if you're calling from the landline. :smile:

[lonetraveler]

You think she could reach a wall light switch?
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My 5 yr old granddaughter can easily turn my light switches on and she is about 3 and a half feet tall. She could last year too.

[CelticDawn]

Even the dispatcher? :lol:

Yes!

I have been to some real backwaters and you would be amazed!!! :chicken:

[WillowInFlight]

We know that Misti is a smoker.... many people go outside to smoke to keep the second hand smoke level down for their children. If she went outside to smoke, it's possible that someone could have slipped in or Haleigh slip out during the time she was outside.

Or most kids that smoke go on their cell, I know I do, (not saying I'm a young kid), but when I go out to smoke I get on my cell and I tend to wander. could be.

[Facinated]

Probably getting a bit far fetched in my thoughts here, but, what if the police have ruled out "Chad" because they have an idea of who may have taken Haleigh.

A couple of things I find weird about the birth mother, number one, she was on her myspace page on 02/12 I believe and set her mood to "worried" or something like that. Why would you log onto your myspace page when you just found out your daughter is missing??? Why did her mother suddenly apologize for accusing Misty of wrong doings??? Do they know something???

I think the mother was PO's at her ex and had someone go in and take Haleigh to make him look bad.

Just hypothesizing!

JMO

[SavannahStar]

It's a double-edged sword, isn't it? On the one hand, we need a jury of our "peers" who can agree on what a normal person would do in the same circumstances, yet if we all have a different idea of what that is, we have bias. Ergo, another one of many reasons we have an imperfect justice system.

Ah yes.

Imperfect.

But still the best in the world. IMO.

[ortiga]

THAKNS!! Des...........WOW you are correct they sure ruled him out fast!!....How can they do that without finding him?.....Looks to me like LE may think this is an inside job. Unless they have another perp in mind !!


That was my question too. If they haven't solved the case, and both are still missing, how can they say there is no connection?

[SavannahStar]

Yes!

I have been to some real backwaters and you would be amazed!!! :chicken:


But "what is your numerical?" doesn't sound backwaters to me at all......just the opposite......not "normal American" if I can say that, LOL. Like maybe she's British or Russian or something? :laugh:

[magnolia]

Well I can sure see that happening to me too. That's why I think that dispatcher did a poor job. If anything at all, they should expect people to be going crazy, and they should ask clear questions, not little add ons like "what color" or "what's the numerical". Should be clear questions with the subject repeated.

I think the dispatcher did a great job. She obviously was trying to calm down the father who was out of his mind, reassure them help was on the way, and get the important iformation. I don't think trying to obtain the house number and the color of Haleigh's hair is an "add-on." It's very vital information.

[CC I See]

Well I can sure see that happening to me too. That's why I think that dispatcher did a poor job. If anything at all, they should expect people to be going crazy, and they should ask clear questions, not little add ons like "what color" or "what's the numerical". Should be clear questions with the subject repeated. As we have found the initial 911 call is very telling in a case. The Dispatcher was trying to figure out as quickly as possible what was really going on at the house. The more conversation the better for LE. If the person is going crazy, the more reason to stay on the line to assess their mental state. In fairness, the Dispatcher had no idea if Misti had hurt Haleigh and was trying to cover her tracks or whether the little boy was in danger also.

[CelticDawn]

Probably getting a bit far fetched in my thoughts here, but, what if the police have ruled out "Chad" because they have an idea of who may have taken Haleigh.

A couple of things I find weird about the birth mother, number one, she was on her myspace page on 02/12 I believe and set her mood to "worried" or something like that. Why would you log onto your myspace page when you just found out your daughter is missing??? Why did her mother suddenly apologize for accusing Misty of wrong doings??? Do they know something???

I think the mother was PO's at her ex and had someone go in and take Haleigh to make him look bad.

Just hypothesizing!

JMO

I know youre just hypothesizing....but my gut tells me its not her at the root of this....<IMO>...but I cant see that.....Maybe they need to take a look at her other family members that may have had the wherewithal;l...<these things generally cost a little money, also >?...If she did have anything to do with it...It probably wasnt her idea.....just saying <None of them seem to be very calculating>

[SavannahStar]

I think the dispatcher did a great job. She obviously was trying to calm down the father who was out of his mind, reassure them help was on the way, and get the important iformation. I don't think trying to obtain the house number and the color of Haleigh's hair is an "add-on." It's very vital information.

In some ways she did very well, not so well in others. IMO.

[CelticDawn]

But "what is your numerical?" doesn't sound backwaters to me at all......just the opposite......not "normal American" if I can say that, LOL. Like maybe she's British or Russian or something? :laugh:

..or some self-important dispatcher that is trying to sound intelligent and flubbing it???

[lonetraveler]

They just put it on the website, 6 parts. It blew me away.


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Trying to catch up. Please, what website and what 6 parts? Help! TIA.

[sunstar]

I think the dispatcher did a great job. She obviously was trying to calm down the father who was out of his mind, reassure them help was on the way, and get the important iformation. I don't think trying to obtain the house number and the color of Haleigh's hair is an "add-on." It's very vital information.

Absolutely! And most times when a situation like this happens, the person reporting the missing child tries to be helpful, knowing the information is needed. MOO

[lonetraveler]

..or some self-important dispatcher that is trying to sound intelligent and flubbing it???

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Yes, it kind of sounds like Casey speak, doesn't it?

[ortiga]

WHoa! No way!

I almost fell off my chair when I read that Misty said ""I've been babysitting since I was 11," she said. "I have three nieces and two nephews and one on the way, and I've watched all of them.". For a second, I thought she meant she herself was pregnant! Her poor grammar makes things very confusing!

It's on the front page of the CNN website. a 16 year old wants a DNA test, says he could be the father and his friends say the baby looks like him.

[Facinated]

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Yes, it kind of sounds like Casey speak, doesn't it?

LMAO - "Casey Speak", wonder if this will be a new word in the 2009 Oxford Dictionary!

[sunstar]

I can't see that. It's not like she was asking her what the capital of Montana is...she was just asking for basic information about a missing child who Misty claimed she was the mother of.

Now if Misty had told the operator she was only the babysitter, some of the questions like height, weight, DOB and so forth might not have been asked, or understood more with such unsure answers. MOO

[lonetraveler]

If she did go out and didnt see misty. I dont beleive she just wandered all over the neighborhood or woods alone in the dark. We can all assume she didnt go all the way to the tracks or river by herself in the dead of the night. Thats kind of a long way for a five year old. My gut is she was taken or hurt by someonelse. JMO


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That's why I stated that after she may have went outside that then.....I don't know. I don't think that Hayleigh wandered around in the dark either. I also stated that Hayleigh is old enough to tell Daddy if she saw something that she was not intended to see..

[ortiga]

I think the dispatcher did a great job. She obviously was trying to calm down the father who was out of his mind, reassure them help was on the way, and get the important iformation. I don't think trying to obtain the house number and the color of Haleigh's hair is an "add-on." It's very vital information.

By "add on" I mean:

saying "what color" instead of "what color is her hair"

And "what is the numerical" instead of "what is the house number"

Not that it's not vital information, I mean that the questions were phrased in an awkward way that stopped the answers from flowing the way they should.

[beetlebrow]

Now if Misty had told the operator she was only the babysitter, some of the questions like height, weight, DOB and so forth might not have been asked, or understood more with such unsure answers. MOO

Ya who calls 911 when a child is missing and is hysterical!!!!:ohmy: I wouldn't be. I mean there is no reason to be sooooooooo upset. Dang these people need to get it together and not be so emotional so they can give correct info.....:sneaky:

[kitty1182]

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That's why I stated that after she may have went outside that then.....I don't know. I don't think that Hayleigh wandered around in the dark either. I also stated that Hayleigh is old enough to tell Daddy if she saw something that she was not intended to see..


Good point...

[CC I See]

There are just too many things that by themselves may not mean much but together any 2 of them send up red flags all over the place.

They just might be connected... but keep in mind that sex offenders go missing every day, unfortunately.

[SavannahStar]

By "add on" I mean:

saying "what color" instead of "what color is her hair"

And "what is the numerical" instead of "what is the house number"

Not that it's not vital information, I mean that the questions were phrased in an awkward way that stopped the answers from flowing the way they should.


I understand completely what you mean.

[CC I See]

By "add on" I mean:

saying "what color" instead of "what color is her hair"

And "what is the numerical" instead of "what is the house number"

Not that it's not vital information, I mean that the questions were phrased in an awkward way that stopped the answers from flowing the way they should.... I am sure the dispatcher was doing just what she was trained to do. Maybe its the training at fault.

[jewel6]

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That's why I stated that after she may have went outside that then.....I don't know. I don't think that Hayleigh wandered around in the dark either. I also stated that Hayleigh is old enough to tell Daddy if she saw something that she was not intended to see..

Of course she could tell her father! I have a seven year old he just turned seven! He could tell you everything. I wonder if she told her father what happened when she went to her moms house? I beleive jr could be a help also in telling something. JMO

[beetlebrow]

I just keep seeing red flags. I watched AMW last night and was shocked they barely showed Haleigh`s pic........with no info except her description. They had a follow up prison interview that was totally non-urgent. If they thought an intruder had her that time could of been better spent on this case. And for Tim to seem so gloomy so soon just seems odd.

I just think LE and those like Tim and John Walsh know something that connect this to Misty.

Misty says she only say a 3 on the clock......which is very possible in the middle of the night......HOWEVER I find it hard to believe she would not look at the clock after she knew Haleigh is missing to see when Ron would be home. Especially if she was trying to call him.

Uh.......maybe she looked at the time on her phone????

[ortiga]

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Trying to catch up. Please, what website and what 6 parts? Help! TIA.

1) It has nothing to do with this case

2) But it may open some eyes as to what goes on in other cultures and why people shouldn't castigate couples of Ron and Misty's age living together (IMO)

www.abcnews.com

over on the right hand corner, a video Children of the mountains.

6 parts 20/20 Diane Sawyer

[frances1]

As for using the term "numerical', someone posted within the last few days that it is a common term used now in elementary schools. Who knew? More likely, in my opinion, it is a dispatcher's 'shorthand' term, and officers may ask them on their way to a case for the 'numerical'.

[kitty1182]

Someone was asking what offender once occupied the Cummings mobile.

Scroll down to the 14th name. Address is the same.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html


Good job:thumbup:

[sunstar]

Ya who calls 911 when a child is missing and is hysterical!!!!:ohmy: I wouldn't be. I mean there is no reason to be sooooooooo upset. Dang these people need to get it together and not be so emotional so they can give correct info.....:sneaky:

Now I didn't mean she shouldn't have been hysterical but the operator was trying to get some important information on Haleigh! MOO

[CelticDawn]

Uh.......maybe she looked at the time on her phone????

"Misty says she only say a 3 on the clock......'" from the post to which you're replying.....what does this mean?
The time <hour and minute> shows on the phone...

im not quite following....
<and I dont think Misty herself followed either.....makes no sense>

[kitty1182]

I totally believe the reason the grandmother put out the apology in the media to get Misty to let her guard down and talk more. They believe Misty may hold the key to all this. You just do not go from having all the questions they have had from the beginning to......oh well we need no answers and sorry we had them to begin with. NOPE I am not buying it. She never said they got the answers and are satisfied with them. It`s a trick and a good one at that.

You could be right...I'm not sold on the g/f yet.......

[SavannahStar]

I totally believe the reason the grandmother put out the apology in the media to get Misty to let her guard down and talk more. They believe Misty may hold the key to all this. You just do not go from having all the questions they have had from the beginning to......oh well we need no answers and sorry we had them to begin with. NOPE I am not buying it. She never said they got the answers and are satisfied with them. It`s a trick and a good one at that.

You really have your mind made up on this case, don't you?

[ortiga]

Now if Misty had told the operator she was only the babysitter, some of the questions like height, weight, DOB and so forth might not have been asked, or understood more with such unsure answers. MOO

She wasn't "only the babysitter". Why should she have to stop to think to clarify that relationship? I remember a couple of nights ago some poster said that Misty should have explained the custody agreement. :rolleyes:

[CC I See]

Someone was asking what offender once occupied the Cummings mobile.

Scroll down to the 14th name. Address is the same.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html... looks like the woods is crawling with them. How very scary.

I'm sure the locks were changed being that it was a rental and if it is an agency doing the leasing, they would have had to have been.

We had a case in Texas where a woman renting an apartment was assaulted by a previous tenant because the locks were not changed. The Leasing company faced criminal charges but were later sued and the woman won. I do not think the criminal charges were pursued.

[magnolia]

By "add on" I mean:

saying "what color" instead of "what color is her hair"

And "what is the numerical" instead of "what is the house number"

Not that it's not vital information, I mean that the questions were phrased in an awkward way that stopped the answers from flowing the way they should.
I understand what you are saying...but I don't think the operator should be blamed for Misty not understanding her. (Not that Misty is to blame either.)

The operator had just said "long curls...what color?" in response to the description of the long curly hair. That is clear and basically what you said SHOULD have been said above. If Misty didn't understand it, it's because she was emotional and confused, but that has nothing to do with how the operator did her job.

[kitty1182]

You really have your mind made up on this case, don't you?

Hi SS..I think the g/f knows more than she is letting on.I don't think the dad had anything to do with it....imo

[CC I See]

She wasn't "only the babysitter". Why should she have to stop to think to clarify that relationship? I remember a couple of nights ago some poster said that Misty should have explained the custody agreement. :rolleyes:

.... it is because when a person starts out lying, it becomes suspect when other information is given. In other words if she is lying about her relationship to the missing child is anything else truthful?

[ortiga]

... I am sure the dispatcher was doing just what she was trained to do. Maybe its the training at fault.


I don't think it she was trained like that. I think they were lazy questions, maybe she wasn't the normal dispatcher, was filling in, something like that. My gut feeling.

IMO

[frances1]

Hi SS..I think the g/f knows more than she is letting on.I don't think the dad had anything to do with it....imo

If that's true, she would do well to tell LE what she knows and ask for protection from her boyfriend. From the impression I have of him so far, I think he would try to kill her.

[beetlebrow]

Now I didn't mean she shouldn't have been hysterical but the operator was trying to get some important information on Haleigh! MOO

Hmmmm......IMO I think this proves that she did it.......why so many crazy answers......she just looked and realized Haleigh was gone.....I mean her boyfriend was mad and yelling at her......blaming her......and she is upset and crying........but hey......she was definitely trying to throw off the police.......:sneaky:

[ortiga]

"Misty says she only say a 3 on the clock......'" from the post to which you're replying.....what does this mean?
The time <hour and minute> shows on the phone...

im not quite following....
<and I dont think Misty herself followed either.....makes no sense>


On my cell phone the time doesn't show unless I've chosen that option from settings.

Also it's so small that I can't see it without my glasses anyway.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't think it she was trained like that. I think they were lazy questions, maybe she wasn't the normal dispatcher, was filling in, something like that. My gut feeling.

IMO
ITA, they are trained to answer questions, no matter what.

[openminded]

Uneducated & frightened. I am hoping that she is not involved in the child's disappearance.

Too much time has passed without a sighting of this little girl.

She does seem very "young" to me and unsure and overwhelmed.

I'm hoping very much that she's not involved but until LE rules her out I can't either. But I really, really don't want it to be her. Or the father.

[CC I See]

Hmmmm......IMO I think this proves that she did it.......why so many crazy answers......she just looked and realized Haleigh was gone.....I mean her boyfriend was mad and yelling at her......blaming her......and she is upset and crying........but hey......she was definitely trying to throw off the police.......:sneaky:... and the poor dispatcher was trying to determine what to tell LE about the missing child, no wonder she didn't ask the questions properly. Give her a break.

[CelticDawn]

If that's true, she would do well to tell LE what she knows and ask for protection from her boyfriend. From the impression I have of him so far, I think he would try to kill her.

...and if she was really responsible ...and that baby was dead....RIGHTFULLY SO....

Yeah...it isnt legal,...but as a parent if I found out something like that Im not so sure they wouldnt have to lock me up for doing the responsible party myself.....just being straight up.

[beetlebrow]

... and the poor dispatcher was trying to determine what to tell LE about the missing child, no wonder she didn't ask the questions properly. Give her a break.

Give who a break? :laugh:

I don't think u understood my post.....:wink:

[ortiga]

.... it is because when a person starts out lying, it becomes suspect when other information is given. In other words if she is lying about her relationship to the missing child is anything else truthful?


How did she start out lying?? You mean when she said "our daughter"? I guess that means my step mother was lying for about 35 years when she said "our children" when she was not the mother.

[kitty1182]

If that's true, she would do well to tell LE what she knows and ask for protection from her boyfriend. From the impression I have of him so far, I think he would try to kill her.

He wouldn't be a happy man, that's for sure......

[kitty1182]

Looks like he just registered in November, wonder if he was at the Green Drive address until then.

I was wondering that too.Can't find out when Ron moved in there..

[CC I See]

Give who a break? :laugh:

I don't think u understood my post.....:wink:... give the dispatcher a break, the comment was in general and not aimed at you.

[Politigal]

Someone was asking what offender once occupied the Cummings mobile.

Scroll down to the 14th name. Address is the same.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-32189.html

Yes, that's the one I phoned police about last night.

It's sort of strange though....on publicdata.com it shows he got 2 driver's licenses on the same day - one with a Tallahassee address (where he's currently a registered sex offender) and one with a different Satsuma address ....very weird. And his prior driver's license was at the 202 Green Ln address.

[lonetraveler]

I understand what you are saying...but I don't think the operator should be blamed for Misty not understanding her. (Not that Misty is to blame either.)

The operator had just said "long curls...what color?" in response to the description of the long curly hair. That is clear and basically what you said SHOULD have been said above. If Misty didn't understand it, it's because she was emotional and confused, but that has nothing to do with how the operator did her job.
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Maybe the 911 operator could have asked "Hair color?" and "House number?" I feel that the flow of answers would have been a bit smoother. IMO

[CC I See]

How did she start out lying?? You mean when she said "our daughter"? I guess that means my step mother was lying for about 35 years when she said "our children" when she was not the mother.Misti said "my daughter" and Haleigh is not her daughter. Misti is the live-in girl friend, not the mother. Had Misti been married to Ron then it would have been OK for her to say our daughter.

[kitty1182]

I'm wondering if maybe he was renting a room to him?

Wow, hadn't thought of that.......

[CelticDawn]

On my cell phone the time doesn't show unless I've chosen that option from settings.

Also it's so small that I can't see it without my glasses anyway.

Bizare....my cellphione does everything pretty much except fetch me my laptop...<what brand r u using?>

These peope were hysterical on the 911 calls from what Ive heard...so I dont put much stock into any of the details they gave being 99 44/100ths accurate....

The more I listen and read, however...the more holes I find in this whole fiasco....I will try to not make any hasty judgements though.

[ortiga]

Misti said "my daughter" and Haleigh is not her daughter. Misti is the live-in girl friend, not the mother. Had Misti been married to Ron then it would have been OK for her to say our daughter.


I don't agree. It was much quicker to say "our daughter" than explain the custody agreement.

[Destini]

I was wondering that too.Can't find out when Ron moved in there..

If you go to this Google link, it looks like the trailer was being advertised for rent as of October 15, 2008, with a year lease. Maybe this is when they moved in.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22202+green+lane%22+satsuma&start=40&sa=N

[kitty1182]

If you go to this Google link, it looks like the trailer was being advertised for rent as of October 15, 2008, with a year lease. Maybe this is when they moved in.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22202+green+lane%22+satsuma&start=40&sa=N

Did you see Mr.Lucky's post about Ron may have been renting him a room? Hadn't thought of that!!!!!

[nc1948]

Hi Savannah...

We have to remember where these people live....ANOTHER world

What other world. What have they done that you look down on their way of life. He is working. The children have a roof over their heads and seem to be fed. What are they doing that is so wrong. Do you know what the unemployment rate is in the US today. Lots of RICH people are going to learn how the majority have been living.

Oh right, the child is missing. So was Jon Benot, Elizabeth Smart, oh thats right, they were rich.

[Politigal]

I appreciate the information. Your post last evening got my attention.

In addition, he & his wife recently dissolved their business -- it was construction/drywall.

[Politigal]

If you go to this Google link, it looks like the trailer was being advertised for rent as of October 15, 2008, with a year lease. Maybe this is when they moved in.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22202+green+lane%22+satsuma&start=40&sa=N

I had seen one news report that said Misty and Ronald had lived at the trailer for 5 months....so that fits.

[WillowInFlight]

In addition, he & his wife recently dissolved their business -- it was construction/drywall.

It wasn't and isnt't his but his dad'z

[kitty1182]

You mean while they lived there too?

Yes, it's possible....imo

[HouseOfClark]

You mean while they lived there too?


Wha-a-a-a-a-a-a-at?

[Politigal]

It wasn't and isnt't his but his dad'z

not according to the state:

http://tinyurl.com/aebhqu

[kitty1182]

Would explain all of them in one bedroom.

Sure would..

[magnolia]

If you go to this Google link, it looks like the trailer was being advertised for rent as of October 15, 2008, with a year lease. Maybe this is when they moved in.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22202+green+lane%22+satsuma&start=40&sa=N

It indicates a 3 bedroom, 2 bath home for $650.00 a month. Seems about right for a 1248 sq. ft mobile home.

[kitty1182]

Wha-a-a-a-a-a-a-at?

Not a fact, just an opinion...:smile:

[openminded]

I agree.

I just wish Misty would go back to school. For her sake.

(Bolding to address)

Not disagreeing with you about school in the least but she may feel it's not relevant to her life and a total waste of time. And it's also possible that Misty's family may not value education. There's still a lot of that in rural areas of the South, unfortunately.

All families have different dynamics. A good example is that my extended family considers a master's degree to be the minimum acceptable. Anything less and you are a total failure (I go in the "failure" category and, after all these years, I'm still reminded of that, in a "joking" way at family gatherings -- no wonder I don't like those things).

[beetlebrow]

... give the dispatcher a break, the comment was in general and not aimed at you.

what.........the dispatcher???.......:confused:

[HouseOfClark]

She wasn't "only the babysitter". Why should she have to stop to think to clarify that relationship? I remember a couple of nights ago some poster said that Misty should have explained the custody agreement. :rolleyes:

Because when she was talking to the 911 operator, she referred to Haleigh as "our daughter".

If she said that to me, I would assume (as I believe the 911 operator did) that she (Misty) was the mother.