Why is Amanda Knox smiling in court?

[madamedylan]

On trial for the murder of her flatmate, Amanda strolls into court today wearing a shirt with "All You Need is Love" .... more appropriate garb for a college co-ed (which I know she is) but that is for wearing to the library or the mall. The pictures of her in court are very disturbing. Why would you smile so much??? Maybe she loves the attention. Being on trial for something like that, even if I were innocent, would be extremely upsetting to me.


Pics:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Amanda-Knox/photo//090214/481/db50ea15b66a484490e2afcc31e0c743//s:/ap/20090214/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_student_slain

[lonetraveler]

On trial for the murder of her flatmate, Amanda strolls into court today wearing a shirt with "All You Need is Love" .... more appropriate garb for a college co-ed (which I know she is) but that is for wearing to the library or the mall. The pictures of her in court are very disturbing. Why would you smile so much??? Maybe she loves the attention. Being on trial for something like that, even if I were innocent, would be extremely upsetting to me.


Pics:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Amanda-Knox/photo//090214/481/db50ea15b66a484490e2afcc31e0c743//s:/ap/20090214/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_student_slain


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That smirk looks all too familiar. I've seen that smirk on Casey Anthony's face when she was being escorted to a waiting SUV to go to her attorney's office and also when she was first arrested. Hummmmmm

[madamedylan]

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That smirk looks all too familiar. I've seen that smirk on Casey Anthony's face when she was being escorted to a waiting SUV to go to her attorney's office and also when she was first arrested. Hummmmmm

True. Also makes me think of Neil Entwistle, who smirked innapropriately during this trial. By contrast Scott Peterson sat stone-faced during his trial, but I think this had more to do with his true sociopath ego. He thought he was better than everyone else. He was looking the whole time like "You are all wrong. You know nothing."

[nsm]

I feel bad for her parents. They always look so distraught. Amanda looks so smug for someone in her situation. Unless she just thinks this is all going to go away and she will be released. I bet that smile will be off her face when she gets 30 years. I just cant comprehend what she is thinking.

[lunchlady]

That smile makes me think of Riley Sawyer's mom, grinning stupidly in court.
Maybe Amanda is trying to look pretty or thinks the deciders will like her better if she looks happy and friendly. I think it doesn't help.

[Debb]

On trial for the murder of her flatmate, Amanda strolls into court today wearing a shirt with "All You Need is Love" .... more appropriate garb for a college co-ed (which I know she is) but that is for wearing to the library or the mall. The pictures of her in court are very disturbing. Why would you smile so much??? Maybe she loves the attention. Being on trial for something like that, even if I were innocent, would be extremely upsetting to me.


Pics:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Amanda-Knox/photo//090214/481/db50ea15b66a484490e2afcc31e0c743//s:/ap/20090214/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_student_slain

The article says that she speaks fluent Italian, however, her mother claimed there was miscommunication at her police interview because of the lanuage barrier and that is why police reports says something that her daughter did not say. Has she gotten fluent while in jail? Just curious.

Also, her dress and demeanor in court is a sign that there is something not right with the girl. And her bizarre behavior after the killing with her boyfriend, is just plain crazy. I agree as some have stated here that the girl her parents and American friends know and love, is not the same girl that lived in Italy.

If you are so darned innocent, why act so guilty? I'm not saying she must be guilty, but why act like you are? It doesn't make sense.

Her mother said in an interview recently, that she is worried for her daughter, but her daughter doesn't believe she can be convicted if she didn't do it. That goes to show that Amanda is either very ignorant or narcissistic. Narcisisis are so convinced of their own ability to lie and con that they find it completely out of the question that they could be disbelieved and held accountable.

[cloe23]

The article says that she speaks fluent Italian, however, her mother claimed there was miscommunication at her police interview because of the lanuage barrier and that is why police reports says something that her daughter did not say. Has she gotten fluent while in jail? Just curious.

Also, her dress and demeanor in court is a sign that there is something not right with the girl. And her bizarre behavior after the killing with her boyfriend, is just plain crazy. I agree as some have stated here that the girl her parents and American friends know and love, is not the same girl that lived in Italy.

If you are so darned innocent, why act so guilty? I'm not saying she must be guilty, but why act like you are? It doesn't make sense.

Her mother said in an interview recently, that she is worried for her daughter, but her daughter doesn't believe she can be convicted if she didn't do it. That goes to show that Amanda is either very ignorant or narcissistic. Narcisisis are so convinced of their own ability to lie and con that they find it completely out of the question that they could be disbelieved and held accountable.

AK IMO has disassociated this entire crime. She will never tell the truth. Very sad and frustrating. Meredith k. was a beautiful girl off to school, this crime, regardless to whom all are guilty was a travesty. Senseless, cruel and should be prosecuted in the courts of Italy.

[DesertStars]

On trial for the murder of her flatmate, Amanda strolls into court today wearing a shirt with "All You Need is Love" .... more appropriate garb for a college co-ed (which I know she is) but that is for wearing to the library or the mall. The pictures of her in court are very disturbing. Why would you smile so much??? Maybe she loves the attention. Being on trial for something like that, even if I were innocent, would be extremely upsetting to me.


Pics:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Amanda-Knox/photo//090214/481/db50ea15b66a484490e2afcc31e0c743//s:/ap/20090214/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_student_slain

Contrary to what the Italian newspapers are reported to say, she does not have the face of an angel. Quite the contrary.

[Debb]

Contrary to what the Italian newspapers are reported to say, she does not have the face of an angel. Quite the contrary.

I think you are right. I located a bunch of photos of the Manson family girl defendants but was not able to find any of them smiling like Amanda does at their trial.

[mafitz701]

She has been in jail for over a year awaiting trial in this case. I don't think her smiling is relevant, and I am very puzzled as to why a thread was made up to cover the subject of her smiling.

Unless this is just a need for people to bash the defendant? :thumbdown:

[DesertStars]

Smiling at such a time seems very inappropriate and odd. JMO

[aubrey04]

I think you are right. I located a bunch of photos of the Manson family girl defendants but was not able to find any of them smiling like Amanda does at their trial.

Weird. I was just going through the pictures and I thought the exact same thing.. I immediately thought of the Manson girls.

[Lynne]

She has been in jail for over a year awaiting trial in this case. I don't think her smiling is relevant, and I am very puzzled as to why a thread was made up to cover the subject of her smiling.

Unless this is just a need for people to bash the defendant? :thumbdown:

Enquiring minds want to know..........nothing wrong with that. This is why crime forums are in existence.........to talk about our perceptions of facts and folks who are even peripherally involved in any crime. "Bashing" happens in every case. Don't let it get you down. Follow the facts as "you" see them, and stick to your guns if you choose to participate in crime forums. That's what it's all about. :biggrin:

[lunchlady]

I always find the defendant's behavior and appearance in court interesting. Think of Entwhistle's smirking and superior attitude, Scott Peterson's general lack of expression and so on. Some of the cleanup jobs are amazing. A super creepy guy in a trial I followed years ago looked like a psycho hobo when he was arrested, but at the trial he had a suit and a haircut and he looked like a somewhat handsome MBA student. He still got convicted, thank goodness.
I find Knox's behavior calculatedly casual and overly concerned about looking attractive. If I was on trial in Italy for a year-old crime I hadn't committed I would be scared, glum, attentive, depressed, worried, and I would try to look as much like a normal responsible citizen as possible. I wouldn't be smiling much and flirting with the other defendant. I suppose the press waits for those moments and only publishes those photos, but it does make Amanda look bad IMO.

[Nen]

I think the smiling and her attitude in general speaks volumes. She seems like a very intelligent girl and I believe she knows exactly what she's doing. My interpretation of her smile is her way of being dismissive as to the whole murder and trial. Like once this whole thing is behind her she'll go back to being a normal young girl. Otherwise why smile a lot when you may be going to jail for a long time for something you say you haven't done? I'm sure she's in for a rude awakening.

[GossipGirl]

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That smirk looks all too familiar. I've seen that smirk on Casey Anthony's face when she was being escorted to a waiting SUV to go to her attorney's office and also when she was first arrested. Hummmmmm


HaHa, how true!! I was thinking that all convicted murderers seem to have that smirk, don't they?
It's the narcissism. And the arrogance.
Gets them every time.
GG

[eagleeer]

Testing 12345 :confused:

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Nile:

All the evidence shows that Rudy viciously raped and murdered Meredith Kercher. I think that he's lacked decency for quite a long time and only cares about himself. Why would he try to clear Amanda and Raffaele (even though they're innocent) if he can shift the blame to them for this horrible crime? If he didn't care about the innocent victim that he killed, he's not going to care about the innocent suspects Amanda and Raffaele getting the blame and punishment for what he did.

Response by SlickLime

Nile, I don't share your resolve that Amanda is completely innocent of any involvement. What she states are her activities that morning returning to her apartment after the night with Raffaele are highly suspicious, IMO.

I'm beginning to believe Raffaele was used for an alibi.

[Jester]

Sorry for having my name on the posts of two others above, but I saw this on the regular thread, and have never thought about the possibility that Raffaele is independent of Amanda.

[Jester]

I think that if Raffaele can separate himself, he will. His lawyer is very sharp. Both his and Amanda's lawyers have recommended that they remain friendly during the trial.

I doubt that Amanda acted alone. Although I think Amanda is capable of many things, I do not see her stupid enough to wander through the streets of an Italian town in the middle of the night with her drug dealer ??? to torment her British roommate ... and all the while her brand new boyfriend and she were marijuana memory impaired and deaf. What was Patrick's phone signal doing in the neighborhood anyway?

If the theory is that Raffaele wasn't there, then I doubt Amanda was. They were showering, having sex, smoking pot, watching a movie, fooling around on the computer, and sleeping from 8:30-ish until 6 AM. Never mind the receipt from the local grocer, he may have been corrupt (along with everyone else from the underpants salesman to the prosecutor). They have each other as an alibi, and Raffaele suggesting that only Amanda could be involved because he didn't know her that well is contradicted by the prosecution's theory. The morning after photos are interesting, though ... Raffaele wearing a camel wool coal and Amanda in a hoody with unwashed hair.

[Jester]

Just me again, wondering if anyone has given much thought into whether Amanda Knox is guilty of murdering her British roommate, or whether she's a victim of the backwards European judicial system (that Roman Law!).

[n/t]

I've been following along with whatever information is released online. The last couple of testimonies from the defense side were becoming cumbersome. Character witnesses mom, dad, girlfriends, etc. What else are they going to say except that Amanda is a good girl and would never do something like this?

I was hoping for more defense expert testimony as we had regarding the knife. Found one. Defense apparently used a video to reconstruct the "break in". This of course casts doubt on the prosecution claiming that Amanda & Raffale staged the break in.

The defense claims the window was broken by the outside.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hUwNJptZbnCIsu90VqOzxS7S2fzQD996VN501


I believe we now have Raffale's defense team on.

Amanda Knox's Former Boyfriend Described as 'Shy and Introverted'

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=8001600&page=1

[KnoxCase]

I have a few things that bother me on the prosecution side.

1) why didn't Judge MAteini allow Amandas hardrive to be repaired
2) why are all the bizarre changes of stories "after" interrogations and police reports?
- 2a) AManda story was she was home....the best evidence of this is her email she sent out Nov 4th before the interrogation. you can read it, its very much like her public testimony.
-2b) Rudy never mentioned Amanda or Raffaele until after his interrogation, then he names them!!.
-2c) Raffaele says the same harrassing things happened, his shoes taken he couldn't eat, he was treated very badly.

-2D) of course the fact they never filmed the "interrogation" testimony always upsets me and smells of foul play. The police use films for the forensic's they use fiulms in court, they have CCTV all over the town, they supposedly even audio taped the "interrogations"...but they didn't film it?

what could be the explanation for this?
video cameras cost to much? they don't feel its important enough to video tape?

Some say an audio tape exists and someday it will be played back, but still a film would be solid proof what happened.


I was reading about the hardrives again last night. This article stated only Amandas and Merediths hardrives were damaged. So any activity Amanda might have had to prove her innocence was ruined by the prosecution/police computer tech.

This article listed the software used to retireve info.

Raffaele showed 18:27 their movie started. 21:10(9:10 pm) the movie ended and also cellphone log of Raffaele Dad was 8:46pm, 8:42 AManda Patrick text....

Defense showed Raffaele login into a Naruto cartoon at 9:26pm...which the Prosecution deny.

So again its just ahrd to even creatively imagine a Drug PArty Sex Orgy , with Amanda having Rudy "warm up" Meredith as Mignini stated....all to occur in a matter of 45 minutes to 60 minutes?

Meredith arrives 9:15-9:30pm...Rudy said he was cleaning himself of the blood by 10:20-10:30pm, which is also when the prosecutions witnesses were "bumped" by a black man running. Rudy had also sated the towels he applied to Merediths neck, so this puts the fatal wound probably close to 10pm.

So 2 things would be really interesting.

1) the interrogation films (which don't exist)
2) the hardrives to be repaired and activity proven.

but if this was the case then all the DNA of the bra-clasp especially would appear to be contaminated, stepped on etc.. which the court and judges has not once agreed to accept?

lots of questions...

[KnoxCase]

that was one more unanswered question...

does anyone know where Merediths final cellphone calls were made from?

was it the tower by the cottage or over by the "bushes"? This would also assume the time of death was past. I think the last cellphone call was 10:12 or something like that.

If this call was from the cottage, it means one thing.

If the cell call to the bank was made form the "bushes" tower I would assume the murder had taken place closer to 9:30-9:55, which would then lean me to believe it was a surprised burglar murder/theft.

IDK?

[KnoxCase]

Amanda did not bother to knock on Meredith's door to see if she was okay. Just out of concern for a friend.

different.

I think she mentioned she and raffaele had plans to go somewhere that day. so she was quickly moving I'd imagine, thru the cottage to get some fresh clothes and shower. (as her story goes).

she wasn't knocking on doors to wake anyone on the first trip to the cottage as I read it. she wasn't even studying the place in too much depth the first trip.

The charges don't go against the cleanup. Probably why no one is arguiing the clothes and washing machine, I think

Charge (E) is for the simulated break-in, Filomenas room only...I think, thats all.

A) Murder
B) Taking the Knife from Raffaele's to commit murder
C) Sexual attack..
D) 300 euros, 2 credit cards, 2 cellphones
F) Patrick- Amanda only charge.


Wasn't she mentioning Filomena door and MErediths were closed, AManda and Laura were open?

[RayStar]

Just me again, wondering if anyone has given much thought into whether Amanda Knox is guilty of murdering her British roommate, or whether she's a victim of the backwards European judicial system (that Roman Law!).
I think she will be found guilty of murder. I can't get the way she and her ex-boyfriend were acting outside of the apartment when they were filmed kissing and hugging. She looked awfully worried.

[n/t]

I think she will be found guilty of murder. I can't get the way she and her ex-boyfriend were acting outside of the apartment when they were filmed kissing and hugging. She looked awfully worried.

and then she was led to the police station and showed off her gymnastics techniques. No wait. It was yoga. :unsure:

[KnoxCase]

Just me again, wondering if anyone has given much thought into whether Amanda Knox is guilty of murdering her British roommate, or whether she's a victim of the backwards European judicial system (that Roman Law!).

I think they'll be found guilty, but think their innocent.

I don't see the system as backwards though. The way they go through so many Judges is really interesting, in that one corrupt Judge can't sentence anyone by them self...all the Judges and Jurors vote, all the hearings a different Judge. In the end, the Judge is human and has to make a decision. It must be hard with lying and possible self motives and just really odd things happening.

The "recreation" each judge reports, as the case moves forward, is kind of strange. imo. If you compare Matteini to Micheli to the others it changes. They allow continual investigation throughout the case as I understand it, so thats interesting too.

[Jester]

I'm not convinced that Amanda does not have some intimate knowledge of the murder of Meredith. Was Amanda a part of the actual act? I don't think so.

I do not buy for a single second Amanda was so naive about the signs something was wrong. It was not just one thing. Every room Amanda says she went in to had obvious, glaring evidence. Blood in one restroom. An unflushed toilet in the other.

Amanda did not bother to knock on Meredith's door to see if she was okay. Just out of concern for a friend.

All thoughout this trial, the defense has been Amanda as an innocent, naive child who did not realize the severity of the evidence she witnessed. Then, why was this 'child' allowed to traipse alone on the other side of the World?

JMO, RS was brought in after the fact. AFTER Amanda had been alone to the apartment and tried to cover her tracks.

ETA... Because the Italian system is not the same as the US system does not mean it is backwards. Just means it's different.

Good point. How could the articulate, intelligent Amanda, in a foreign country, not have her radar up for "break in", "robbery", "possible intruder" after growing up in Seattle and seeing her house that morning.

If it was just Amanda and Rudy, when did it happen and where was Raffaele at the time? Asleep? I find that difficult to believe.

[Jester]

I think she will be found guilty of murder. I can't get the way she and her ex-boyfriend were acting outside of the apartment when they were filmed kissing and hugging. She looked awfully worried.

She did look awfully worried, and she did not look like she had just showered and blow dried her hair - per her claims. She's more put together while living in jail than she looked that morning after claiming to have showered, etcetera.

[Jester]

I have a few things that bother me on the prosecution side.

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- 2a) AManda story was she was home....the best evidence of this is her email she sent out Nov 4th before the interrogation. you can read it, its very much like her public testimony.
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lots of questions...

Why did it take until November 4th for Amanda to discuss what happened in an email? I've had friends that found a break in to their house and I had the email shortly after police left. It was a 2-4 hour turn around time and living in the same city - a phone call away ... frantic, worried, and thinking it through, writing thoughts. Amanda seems to have remained somewhat aloof until November 4th. Any thoughts on why she wasn't bursting with recollections of the days leading up to and including the day after the murder? Wanting to tell her parents everything? Sure, there's the phone, but her parents weren't living together, and surely she had some friends in Seattle she wanted to mention this unbelievable situation to! What about the boyfriend? Did she tell him all about it in an email, even though she had a new boyfriend (that it seems he didn't really know about)?

Isn't Amanda a blossoming author? Why wasn't she compelled to put experience to words right away rather than 4 days later?

[Jester]

I think they'll be found guilty, but think their innocent.

I don't see the system as backwards though. The way they go through so many Judges is really interesting, in that one corrupt Judge can't sentence anyone by them self...all the Judges and Jurors vote, all the hearings a different Judge. In the end, the Judge is human and has to make a decision. It must be hard with lying and possible self motives and just really odd things happening.

The "recreation" each judge reports, as the case moves forward, is kind of strange. imo. If you compare Matteini to Micheli to the others it changes. They allow continual investigation throughout the case as I understand it, so thats interesting too.

Why would two innocent people be found guilty of murder?

The only people involved that are not doing their job, or the task assigned to them as citizens of Italy, are Amanda and Raffaele. What lying and possible self motives or really odd things are you referring to? You're not suggesting that people that are just doing their jobs, going to work every day, prosecuting the suspects presented by the police with evidence, are somehow involved in self motives and lying, are you?

Every police force and judicial system in the Western World allows for new evidence to be brought forth even after a trial and conviction. It is good news that the investigation is not over simply because three people are being or have been tried in court.

[Jester]

I'm not convinced that Amanda does not have some intimate knowledge of the murder of Meredith. Was Amanda a part of the actual act? I don't think so.

I do not buy for a single second Amanda was so naive about the signs something was wrong. It was not just one thing. Every room Amanda says she went in to had obvious, glaring evidence. Blood in one restroom. An unflushed toilet in the other.

Amanda did not bother to knock on Meredith's door to see if she was okay. Just out of concern for a friend.

All thoughout this trial, the defense has been Amanda as an innocent, naive child who did not realize the severity of the evidence she witnessed. Then, why was this 'child' allowed to traipse alone on the other side of the World?

JMO, RS was brought in after the fact. AFTER Amanda had been alone to the apartment and tried to cover her tracks.

ETA... Because the Italian system is not the same as the US system does not mean it is backwards. Just means it's different.

The judicial system is different, but the truth prevails. Joran van der Sloot was released for lack of evidence by the same type of strict and unforgiving judicial system, but not Amanda. There must have been serious evidence for the jail to hold her for trial at every step of the way; from cartwheels to clean hair. Here we are, hearing the evidence, the inconsistencies, the 'lies and self motives' of the defendants (hopefully the appointed jurors and numerous experts are not the alleged lying, self motivated). I find if difficult to believe that employees and those assigned to hear the trial are lying, self motivated individuals.

Anyway ... how could Joran be released over and over again by the same standard of law, but not Amanda? He was slapped, he was 17 years old, he was imprisoned, but the evidence to proceed to trial was lacking. DNA evidence places Raffaele at the scene, the unwashed hair, ridiculous response by an intelligent, articulate woman, to the murder scene is absurd, and her story telling about hearing a scream is damning. And then there's the story about her boss have an infatuation with her roommate ... the victim ... so he rotted in jail for 3 weeks until he was released and Amanda miraculously finally remembered that he wasn't involved. How did she know he wasn't involved?

[Jester]

How did Amanda know Patrick wasn't involved?

It's simple. She was there, and she knows he wasn't there. How else could she say who was or wasn't there?

Alternatively, she was lying through her teeth and implicated an innocent man in a murder that she now claims to have no knowledge of. The man she implicated just happens to be the boss that fired her that week, and hired her room-mate, the victim. Amanda's accused and victim just happen to be two people she had a small tete-a-tete with that week. Sure she was a nice girl with Raffaele and in court, but that doesn't mean she was always a nice girl.

[KnoxCase]

Why would two innocent people be found guilty of murder?

The only people involved that are not doing their job, or the task assigned to them as citizens of Italy, are Amanda and Raffaele. What lying and possible self motives or really odd things are you referring to? You're not suggesting that people that are just doing their jobs, going to work every day, prosecuting the suspects presented by the police with evidence, are somehow involved in self motives and lying, are you?

Every police force and judicial system in the Western World allows for new evidence to be brought forth even after a trial and conviction. It is good news that the investigation is not over simply because three people are being or have been tried in court.

People here in the US get released all the time for incorrect incarceration.

We believe what we want to believe. I just can't buy the Drug Satanic Sex Party Murder that occurred in 30 to 45 minutes... theory


Odd things..there's so many.
Hardrives being trashed, stories changing only after secret interrogations, the Judges changing their story.. judge not allowing the hardrive to even be attempted at repairing, knife sizes changing,
Why didn't the Defense fight to get Amanda's hardrive repaired? Seems this would be the most important evidence she has for being at Raffaele's? But they just let it go? odd...

Here's a odd small clip from the first hearing, where Judge Matteini is 100% sure it was Patrick...and Raffaele did the stabbing...and it was a 3inch knife...later to be thrown out of course...

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but her ruling said Sollecito's footprints were found in Kercher's room and identified the murder weapon as a knife with a 3.3-inch-long blade that the Italian usually had with him.

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so how did the Judges switch to another sized knife or was it two knifes, and yet the Defense and Prosecutions knifes don't align to the bloody knife print on the bedsheet? very odd...imo. The pattern on the bedsheet wasn't 3 inches nor was it 6.5 inches? really really odd imo.

odd...geez so many things.

The bloody footprints aren't even sure if their Filomenas, or Lauras, this hasn't even been checked?
The DNA on the knife isn't even blood, even though the murder was a severely bloody murder. (Amanda and Raffaele must be the best expert clean-up artists in the world? I spilled paint and can't even clean it up well. )
I also find it extremely odd, that in a horrific up close physical murder of holding and forcing a person by grabbing them, as the prosecution assumes, no other DNA was left? Only Rudys was everywhere.

The defense about ove,r yet they didn't seem to be really aggressive? as if they think they've won, but yet they have lost every court hearing to date?
Bringing on family and friends? not forensics, not hardrive data, not more coroner debates? The autopsy debated..this is the seed that lead to multiple people? why not spend a lot of time attacking this?
or timelines...not family and friends from 4th grade?!! yikes...? odd?

Rudy only named Amanda and Raffaele after his interrogation.odd..

ALL the interrogations are really really suspicious. imo (release the audio tapes, and ask them why they didn't film it!) odd...suspicious.

Mignini being put up for abuse of power, and the case was upheld by the court for further investigation! (means the accusations is somewhat valid) this is odd.

Raffaele and Amanda's odd behaviors?
The cartwheels, the shampooing the hair, the changing stories, the cellphones both being off, the mop, all the witnesses seem to be contradicted by some other witnesses. bizzare odd. forgetting a little too often....very odd behavior it seems.

Raffaele and Rudy not talking is odd...why?

The window, Amanda's personality, Raffaele suspicious eyes and web site all wrapped up in toilet paper holding a clever, the changing stories of Raffaele....odd


The main evidence against Knox, the Double DNA knife, coincidentally didn't have enough to allow the defense or a third party to re-test...how convenient for the Prosecution, as was Knox's hardrive being ruined. very odd...convenient for the prosecution.

More odd stuff...The Autopsy didn't check the jawbone, yet they didn't allow a second autopsy? great for the prosecution! odd..

The entire multiple murder concept was from the autopsy.
But yet others say it wasn't multiple people.
Even the initial coroner said he can't rule anything out, but he leaned in the direction it was multiple people. Professionals disagreeing, is odd.

No DNA on Raffaele, at first samples tested.....but then 46 days later!! bra-clasp!! with guess whose DNA!!! hooooorrrraaayyyyy!!!! the prosecutions theory is upheld!!
How convenient the police went back and found that one piece that had DNA all over it!!!....nothing else was found in this physical contact holding Meredith down murder? amazing....only that bra-clasp. odd!!!!


Summary-

Its all in what we want to believe, our perspective.

I guess, in the end, I just don't buy the Sex Satanic Drug Party approach that went bad in 45 minutes or 15 minutes or even 1 hr.

Isn't it more "typical" for a average person to believe a burglar/thief/ rape turned into murder because Meredith fought for a short time?

We all believe the evidence we want to believe. We dismiss the evidence we don't want to believe. The Judges have seen even more evidence.

Mignini will be a hero...or a majorly embarrassed loser. It seems he has far too much riding on this case, imo. They should have swapped him out. This just adds more confusion and specualtion imo..again, very odd coincidence he should be on trial himself? None of the other Judges are, are they?

timeline...
If we take the Defense data, Raffaele had 9:46 internet activity as believeable, odd everyone believes the hardrive info for all the other activity, except for this one?

If true, 9:46pm Nov 1...then Raffaele would have had to been involved in the murder drug sex party with satanic seeds for 15 minutes approx., and very tired from running to the Satanic Drug Sex Party...to leave his DNA on only one tiny piece of material, that would not be found until 46 days later after they couldn't find any other DNA. They worked Raffaele into the murder scene with this amazing "bra clasp"...amazing. How convenient for the prosecution. (sarcasm)

i remain using a timeline that Meredith came home 9:15-9:30pm and Rudy ran out to clean off his blood at 10:20-10:30pm (witnesses say black man bumped into them 10:20-10:30pm too).

Rudy said he tended to Meredith with his towels for a few minutes and his run time est.? 10 minutes?, 10:10-10:20pm... before running out to go dancing, and considering the murderer caused the cellphone call at 10:13pm, putting the murder most likely happening in a 30 minute time frame.

(er...unless they made cellphone calls during the drugged satanic sex party murder that lasted about 45 minutes?? IDK? If the cell calls form 10:13pm were from the cottage, its one thing, but if its form the bushes down the road, where the cellphones were found, it would mean the murder was done already imo.)

I'd really like to know which tower or if the tower could prove the final call. I (I definitely don't believe the bs that the cellphone made its own call when it was thrown down....)


I'm off to read and try to learn about the cellphone last cellphone call, this will decide for me if it was a 15 minute Satanic Sex Drug Orgy Murder or 30 minute one.

JMO as of 7-7-09....subject to change as evidence is released. lol..hey the Judges get to change recreations, so we do too, right?:biggrin:

[lane99]

...She looked awfully worried.

You'd be worried too if an unknown intruder had murdered someone in the house you lived in. Wouldn't you?

[KnoxCase]

this is interesting....

Giulia Bongiorno, one of Sollecito's lawyers, said that two calls made from Kercher's mobile around 10pm on November 1 last year, the night she died, locked on to a cell phone antenna some distance from the house where her body was found, close to the spot the phone was discovered abandoned the next morning.

"This proves that the calls were made by the killer after fleeing with the phone," said Bongiorno. "That means Kercher was killed before 10pm, and we can prove that Sollecito was at home at 9.46pm at his computer, using an interactive online cartoon website. That is not enough time for him to have got to Kercher's house," she said.

[Jester]

this is interesting....

Giulia Bongiorno, one of Sollecito's lawyers, said that two calls made from Kercher's mobile around 10pm on November 1 last year, the night she died, locked on to a cell phone antenna some distance from the house where her body was found, close to the spot the phone was discovered abandoned the next morning.

"This proves that the calls were made by the killer after fleeing with the phone," said Bongiorno. "That means Kercher was killed before 10pm, and we can prove that Sollecito was at home at 9.46pm at his computer, using an interactive online cartoon website. That is not enough time for him to have got to Kercher's house," she said.

There we go ... Raffaele's Ace Card separating him from Amanda. He was at home, and he has said that he doesn't know if Amanda left at some point during the evening. If it can be believed that he was at home, is he willing to testify that Amanda was with him at that time? I wonder.

[KnoxCase]

interesting I didn't read that into it at all...but you might be right. how lawyers plan a case might be like you said. wow?
perspectives are really something. how we perceive things. lawyers train-of-thought.
but if the judges and jury could go this route, with Raffaele separated, it makes the forensic's look like crap? how would they explain the bra-clasp?

If Amanda left at 9pm, from Raffaele's, she would have the time frame to be at the cottage between 9:30pm and 10pm.

Im thinking the actual murder happened at 9:45pm, using the cellphone in the bushes call....and the walking distance from the cottage to the bushes, Rudys towel story (there were the towels soaked in blood and only Rudy took full ownership of the towels soaked in blood) accounts for some time too before he fled. Lets say 10min for the towel-scene.
It's 9:55 Rudy flees....

The cell phones were tossed down, by the bushes, and the bank call logged at 10:13pm, it appears pretty solid. And within common reason and logic, the murderer droped these off. The murder was over.
The distance to here, is approx 1.3km to .9km..12min before the phone was dropped off by the bushes, because it takes that long to walk there. approx. Rudy was probably running, walking fast, but either way.
12-15minutes it is.

Rudy fled 9:55pm, the walk to the bushes 12-15min, 10:10pm, cell call 10:13pm.....

he then heads to his place to clean off the blood,a s he stated, he didn't want to be seen with blood all over as he stated. He takes the back road, to the door-in the wall.

The distance from the bushes/cellphone call 10:13pm, to Rudys place is .4km/6min walk per google satellite map...he's home about 10:20-10:30pm. He's busy cleaning off the blood as he said.

He then goes out dancing. An article I read stated a few people noticed him "stinking" really bad. He didn't take a shower, he just changed pants, he said almost all the blood was on his pants.


From 7 via della Pergola to 5bis Sperandio to 26 via Canerino.


and that aligns with the witnesses seeing a black man bump into them, (some dispute that too)...but Rudy even said he was home washing his blood off by approx 10:20-10:30 before going out, after seeing this murder, and dancing. The timeline adds up anyway. pretty close.

So murder at 9:45, down the streets to the bushes 15min (10:13pm cell call), from the bushes to Rudys place, is .4km/ 6 mins more...10:19, 10:20, 10:21pm... Rudy was home cleaning off the blood and doing some quick laundry he said.

It all starts to fit.
Being a thief / burglar he probably new all the different paths, the wall-door to the city from the back way, near the walking paths. There's a lot of walking paths around there per the satellite google.

So if you google 5bis Sperandio to 26 via Canerino to 7 via della Pergola its kind of eery. take the street view and there it is.

coincidence?

[KnoxCase]

just some more google satellite....

google shows 1min to 2min, .1km to .2km from Rudys to Raffaele's.
very close to each other.

googled...about 4 mins walk from Raffaeles to the Cottage, via della Pergola.

looking and comparing street views, Rudy saying he initally left past the basketball court makes sense as its so wooded, up the cement steps...maybe down via Scortic to via Bulagaio to the outer road?

[dgfred]

Wow! Let the games begin.

I had a feeling there was some bombshell RS's attorneys would present. They have been excessively quiet throughout this trial. They were waiting to find out what her defense would say, see how it would go for AK.

JMO.... RS's attorneys have the same impression I have AK's defense had not gone well.

I'm only going by the sketchy info we can glean. Imagine how it appears inside the courtroom.

So does this mean he is throwing Amanda under the bus... but jumping to the side regarding his involvement?

[KnoxCase]

weird, all Rudys tales, state Raffaele as the one with the knife killing Meredith. The Italian man, Rudy called him.

He didn't mention Amanda until after the interrogation.

If these three had known each other for 20 yrs I could imagine them hatching a plan of lies like this case,

but it just doesn't fit, its mind boggling how each one has an odd story and bizzare change of story?...imo. It was a fast unplanned murder, probably a burglary Meredith walked in on or something unplanned.

no wonder Micheli locked them all up.geeeez....

(sarcasm)


Raffaele takes the stand-

"Uh my story your honor is we were home all night, except Amanda left for awhile, maybe 9pm....wait... no ...we went to a party and then, I left to go home and she stayed and nah... no wait...we were home all night and then actually I can't remember if Amanda ate dinner with me or not, I think we watched a movie, she came home at 1am...we were home all night together. I was on the internet stoned watching cartoons, making dinner, we were home together all night.....maybe I pricked Meredith in the hand with that knife?"

[KnoxCase]

He's not going to testify like Amanda did. as I read it. .. why?

reading the first hearings he was saying he was home all night. the pc activity is about all that can verify this, as no one believes anything any of the three say now.

if Raffaele got on the stand or at least posted a formal written letter, it would be really interesting.

will he state amanda was there all night too?
thats the million dollar question.

but its complicated, imo, because the prosecution built the case around all three of them being there.

[mafitz701]

He's not going to testify like Amanda did. as I read it. .. why?

reading the first hearings he was saying he was home all night. the pc activity is about all that can verify this, as no one believes anything any of the three say now.

if Raffaele got on the stand or at least posted a formal written letter, it would be really interesting.

will he state amanda was there all night too?
thats the million dollar question.

but its complicated, imo, because the prosecution built the case around all three of them being there.

You are doing a wonderful job in your sleuthing. I had posted a lot of other questions on the old thread but no one wanted to help answer them.

I don't know if Raf and Amanda were involved, I just know that its hard to see where they were involved because this case was messed up so badly.

[Jester]

You are doing a wonderful job in your sleuthing. I had posted a lot of other questions on the old thread but no one wanted to help answer them.

I don't know if Raf and Amanda were involved, I just know that its hard to see where they were involved because this case was messed up so badly.

I think most people tried to address all questions. Which ones are unanswered?

Amanda and Raf were involved with each other, by their own admission and their affectionate display the morning the murder was discovered. Were they involved in the murder? It's looking like the defense is slim & stretched for all defendants.

This case isn't messed up at all. There are the media reports about ongoing events in the courtroom, there is the British interpretation, there is the Seattle interpretation, and there is the confused don't buy any of it yet crew.

Which should be believed (rhetorical)?

[Jester]

Has RS testified? I know AK did. I read/saw a lot of her testimony.

Was not aware if RS had testified.

Raffaele Sollecito should not testify. He can remain an enigma without a face. If he speaks, I suspect he will drown himself.'

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

[Jester]

Knox told the police that she had been in the house when the murder took place and had "heard the screams";[9][27] however, she has subsequently given several different versions of the events of the night of the murder, saying her memory was clouded by having smoked hashish, and now asserts that she spent the whole evening and night with her boyfriend at his flat.[7]

In one of her earlier statements to the police, Knox implicated Patrick Diya Lumumba in the murder saying:[9]
“ I don't remember if my friend Meredith was already there or whether she came later. What I can say is that the two of them (Meredith and Patrick) went off together... Patrick and Meredith went off together into Meredith's room while I think I stayed in the kitchen. I can't remember how long they were in the bedroom together, I can only say that at a certain point I heard Meredith screaming and I was so frightened I put my fingers in my ears. I don't remember anything after that, my head is really confused. I don’t remember if Meredith called out or if I heard thuds because I was upset, but I can imagine what was happening...I'm not sure whether Raffaele was there too that evening but I do remember waking up at his house in his bed and that in the morning I went back to where I lived, where I found the door open.

That's rather damning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

[KnoxCase]

the changing stories is not good, its beyond not good, its just bizzare.

the wiki needs to add Prosecution Mignini is up for corruptio/abuse of power too.
It really is a red'flag, concern...imo.

Adding to the intense controversy's of this case.
This isn't a accusation, it has been upheld by the Italian court system after review. Very much like Amanda and Raffaele being held by Micheli.
Mignini didn't get released from it. I tried finding articles and there's just not media interest at all.

< just noticed the last paragraph..Mignini is mentioned in Wiki...>

[KnoxCase]

interesting, the charges summary..

If convicted, the three face severe sentences.

A) The main charge, "voluntary murder with the aggravating circumstance of cruelty," carries a life sentence under Italian law.

B) and for the "detention and transportation of a weapon" which carries a sentence of 1 to 12 months.

C)They were also charged with sexual assault, which carries a sentence of 6 to 12 years,

D) and with theft—punishable by a prison sentence of 1 to 6 years.
(300 Euros, 2 credit cards, 2 cellphones)

E) In addition, Knox and Sollecito face charges for the "simulation of a crime", for which they face one to three years incarceration,

F **) Additionally, Knox has been charged with slander for her allegedly false accusation against a nightclub owner called Patrick Lumumba—a crime that carries a sentence of 6 to 20 years.

[Jester]

the changing stories is not good, its beyond not good, its just bizzare.

the wiki needs to add Prosecution Mignini is up for corruptio/abuse of power too.
It really is a red'flag, concern...imo.

Adding to the intense controversy's of this case.
This isn't a accusation, it has been upheld by the Italian court system after review. Very much like Amanda and Raffaele being held by Micheli.
Mignini didn't get released from it. I tried finding articles and there's just not media interest at all.

< just noticed the last paragraph..Mignini is mentioned in Wiki...>

What is the charge against the prosecutor? Is there a complaint from a disgruntled convict? What is the complaint? If it's a disgruntled convict, that sort of complaint happens to prosecutors all the time and is pretty much neither here nor there in the scheme of things.

[lane99]

What is the charge against the prosecutor? Is there a complaint from a disgruntled convict? What is the complaint? If it's a disgruntled convict, that sort of complaint happens to prosecutors all the time and is pretty much neither here nor there in the scheme of things.

Disgruntled convict. Like Cynthia Sommers, for example? Would you say any complaint she had against the prosecutor would be neither here nor there?

With regard to the Knox case, I believe the complaint against Mignini has to do with him bugging someone's office. And that someone happened to be: another prosecutor.

[lane99]

20 years for slander? Can that be right? Seems hard to believe.

[lane99]

[QUOTE=Jester;13270566]...I can imagine what was happening...
QUOTE]

These are key words from her statement. Even the prosecutor accepts that the statement was substantially imaginary. And although it's possible, it's by no means certain that there was even so much as a grain of truth in it.

But one thing is for sure. The circumstances under which the statement was given, along with the text of the statement itself, both suggest that this could very well be a classic case of false confession.

[KnoxCase]

I've always FELT like AK was involved somehow. Not in the actual murder, but peripherally. Maybe she was in another room? Maybe she was integral in Rudy's presence?
.

yes I agree, can't rule AK out. The time-frame was there for her to be there imo, too. There's some gut feeling she was involved.

I was reading her Nov 4th email today and she's pretty clear, and its the same as the testimony, pretty clear what happened. I didn't get the bizarre change the story scenario that was painted.? wierd.

I'm curious, just "imagining"...."if" AK got her pc hardrive fixed and they found a few activitys, would it convince anyone 100%?

I'm just wondering......does anyone think the Raffaele pc activity will be the "one" that gets him off?

[KnoxCase]

theres no live courtroom to see, but I get the impression the defense has a false sense of comfort too.

maybe this is a difference between the Italian courtroom and the US sometimes?
US stereotype is fighting, yelling, screaming in the courtroom. Seems real court rooms are fairly polite, reserved, orderly with a strange objection process over words, very controlled and docile.

however the forensic lady supposedly did get up and storm out!!

the "false comfort" I agree.

I would think the Defense would spend intense, days and days, attempting to fight for their client at all costs, tearing down the DNA-non-blood knife and really try to drive home the Single-Murderer scenario, at least trying to.

Not just one part of one day? Maybe I missed something, but it appears they didn't spend much time on this. Seems they spent equal time having Friends and family in the court room? but what do I know!
maybe this "character" thing is equally important in this Italian case, as say the forensic?

IDK..

[Jester]

Disgruntled convict. Like Cynthia Sommers, for example? Would you say any complaint she had against the prosecutor would be neither here nor there?

With regard to the Knox case, I believe the complaint against Mignini has to do with him bugging someone's office. And that someone happened to be: another prosecutor.

If that's the case, there's nothing like a little workplace competition to keep life interesting.

[Jester]

[QUOTE=Jester;13270566]...I can imagine what was happening...

These are key words from her statement. Even the prosecutor accepts that the statement was substantially imaginary. And although it's possible, it's by no means certain that there was even so much as a grain of truth in it.

But one thing is for sure. The circumstances under which the statement was given, along with the text of the statement itself, both suggest that this could very well be a classic case of false confession.

Are you suggesting that it is possible for a completely normal, innocent person to voluntarily, and by choice, suffer a classic case of false confession (and let's add false accusation for accuracy)? Amanda did voluntarily make a statement that she called a "gift" and gave it to the police. Aren't people that voluntarily contact police to make false confessions, and false accusations against innocent people, a little bit looney tune? Amanda did not appear to be looney tune during her cross examination in fluent Italian.

What makes you think that Amanda suffers the "classic case of false confession" and false accusation (also known as blatant lies)?

[Jester]

yes I agree, can't rule AK out. The time-frame was there for her to be there imo, too. There's some gut feeling she was involved.

I was reading her Nov 4th email today and she's pretty clear, and its the same as the testimony, pretty clear what happened. I didn't get the bizarre change the story scenario that was painted.? wierd.

I'm curious, just "imagining"...."if" AK got her pc hardrive fixed and they found a few activitys, would it convince anyone 100%?

I'm just wondering......does anyone think the Raffaele pc activity will be the "one" that gets him off?

What is the relevance of Amanda's computer harddrive? She does not claim that she was using the computer on the night of the murder. It seems obvious that the courts were not interested in pursuing any further information related to Amanda's computer because it has nothing to do with the case. Raffaele claims that he was using the computer on the night of the murder, so it is very important to explore his computer use.

If it is accepted that Raffaele was on the computer at the time of the murder, then yes, it should absolve him of all involvement in the crime.

[Jester]

I don't know, KnoxCase. RS has been quiet, low key and seems to understand the seriousness of this case. Everytime AK opens her mouth, she seems more and more guilty of SOMEthing. All I know of this case is the sparse media coverage, so I could be very wrong.

I think it's nice AK constantly has family or friends from the US present in Italy. However, maybe that is giving her a false sense of comfort. Instead of portraying herself in the serious manner needed in court, AK comes across as the little kid who can hide behind Daddy.

For some reason AK's Family is not appearing on US media shows. Nor is htis case being talked about. Very interesting, IMO.

Early on, Amanda's buddies were trying to discredit the prosecutor in an effort to suggest that Amanda must be innocent. That resulted in a serious backlash from the Italians, and I suspect there was a stern warning to Amanda and her buddies that they were choosing the wrong tactics.

[KnoxCase]

What is the relevance of Amanda's computer harddrive? She does not claim that she was using the computer on the night of the murder. It seems obvious that the courts were not interested in pursuing any further information related to Amanda's computer because it has nothing to do with the case. Raffaele claims that he was using the computer on the night of the murder, so it is very important to explore his computer use.

If it is accepted that Raffaele was on the computer at the time of the murder, then yes, it should absolve him of all involvement in the crime.

yes, your correct.

no one is interested in the hardrive? but then why did Amanda ask to have it repaired thru the Judge?

very strange. one can only speculate, why?


Part 3- The probatory incident on Knox's computer- June 2008

Amanda Knox

On January 21, 2008 Your Honor appointed an expert to retrieve all data from the hard drives; to create a clone of the single hard drive; and to assess all useful circumstances and determine the reason for the blockage that occurred.
The contents of the hard drive of my computer (as well as those of the other suspects) were not recovered.

Further data could be recovered if the manufacturer Toshiba were appointed, and I would request this because the data in question will further support my claim of non-involvement in any illegal activity.

Judge Claudia Matteini-
First of all, the test on your computer determined nothing --either in your favor or against you-- because the hard drive could not be recovered.

And the test did not yield an exact reason for the damage, although it is probable that it is attributable to an error in handling, as any intentional act is excluded.
Obviously, we are facing a totally neutral element with regard to the probatory picture, which therefore remains unchanged.

[n/t]

So inappropriate. Do these people have no shame? Good lord.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199111/Revealed-Foxy-Knoxys-sisters-posing-happily-macabre-photos-house-Meredith-Kercher-died.html

[KnoxCase]

It's poor taste, imo too.

But in reality, being of average funds, they did it for money, obviously.

the Amanda case has cost them 7 figures...and counting.

the Magazine offered them desperately needed money no doubt, and the magazine chose the location, not the kids.

but is it any worse than the police lying to Amanda that she has HIV, to get her to confess of her lovers and then the list mysteriously leaked to the media?

its a circus.

[KnoxCase]

What is the relevance of Amanda's computer harddrive? She does not claim that she was using the computer on the night of the murder. It seems obvious that the courts were not interested in pursuing any further information related to Amanda's computer because it has nothing to do with the case. Raffaele claims that he was using the computer on the night of the murder, so it is very important to explore his computer use.

If it is accepted that Raffaele was on the computer at the time of the murder, then yes, it should absolve him of all involvement in the crime.

pc activity takes precedence over the bra-clasp?

I wonder if a jury will have to decide on issues like this.

I was reading this weekend the footprint in the bathroom, might be attributed to Rudy, who admitted to going into that bathroom a couple or few times for the "bloody towel scene". (was this the cleanup scene too? why were the other footprints not there? were the bloody towels really Rudys clean up tools? he just couldn't get the blood off the damn bathroom mat!??)
This almost sounds logical in this circus of media hype and closed hearings.

[KnoxCase]

well I spent more time playing with the Google Satellite maps and trying to hash out the Nov 1 timeline thru all sources available.

A) I had Meredith arriving 9:15-9:30pm, as an overall average. 7 via della Pergola.

B) The Cellphone 10:13pm call off Merdiths cell, and the cell tower by the bushes. 5bis via Sperandio

C) Rudy home washing his bloody pants and getting ready to go dancing by 10:20-10:30pm. 26 via Canerino.


- The only info I can find is the call was at 8:56 per Stefano witness-Flying Squad who said the call was "cut-off".
- However Merediths mom testified to this call and did not say it was "cut off", and that it was in the early afternoon she last spoke to her daughter.
-Sophie and Laura Butterworth said the movie ended about 9pm.

So the 9:15pm-9:30pm calls were probably close.
Sophie Purton walked her and the time of arrival is 9:15pm using 500yards to the cottage on Pergola.

Also there is debates of the cellphone call at 10:13pm, because the tower at night supposedly picks up the bushes and the cottage, as some say the regular calls from Meredith at the cottage used the same tower as the bushes in the evening calls.
The defense test was done during the day when the towers are different between the cottage and the bush area. at least its being debated.

But until proven different, the timeline fits all too well, JMO, of the murder being over by 9:45, the "rudy towel scene" 9:55 to 10...and the 12minute distance to the bushes, and the 6min to his place putting him there at 10:20 and 10:30pm.
Reviewing the map Rudy possibly fled in panic, ran out the normal path, then realized, as he stated "he didn't want the people at the basketball court and on Pintricchio, to see his bloody clothes...and so he perhaps turned to another path which was the back road route.(very wooded as you can see using the Google satellite maps). which fits the timeline very well, its logical.

torture for information, since the medieval times to present....Rudy knows the whole story about Merediths murder, he's just a habitual liar, like his Dad said. How about some waterboarding for Rudy?:cursing:

[KnoxCase]

What is the relevance of Amanda's computer harddrive? She does not claim that she was using the computer on the night of the murder. It seems obvious that the courts were not interested in pursuing any further information related to Amanda's computer because it has nothing to do with the case. Raffaele claims that he was using the computer on the night of the murder, so it is very important to explore his computer use.

If it is accepted that Raffaele was on the computer at the time of the murder, then yes, it should absolve him of all involvement in the crime.

I assume she is referring to Raffaele's computer in this "snip" from her Nov 6. Per the forensic films her personal pc was at the cottage. IF the pic I saw was right, it was a laptop. So was it at Raffaele's? NOv 1? back home Nov 2? IDK....

Either way the PC has been dropped for one reason or another?

<amanda nov 6- describing her night of the murder, kind of a whacko Note she presented to the police....>

After that I believe we relaxed in his room together, perhaps I checked my email. Perhaps I read or studied or perhaps I made love to Raffaele. In fact, I think I did make love with him. <>

[n/t]

It's poor taste, imo too.

But in reality, being of average funds, they did it for money, obviously.

the Amanda case has cost them 7 figures...and counting.

the Magazine offered them desperately needed money no doubt, and the magazine chose the location, not the kids.

but is it any worse than the police lying to Amanda that she has HIV, to get her to confess of her lovers and then the list mysteriously leaked to the media?

its a circus.

You're comparing apples to oranges, imo. It's not the same at all.

To me, it proves a mindset. They have total disregard for the victim who was brutally murdered. It's downright disgusting.

To blame the magazine for wanting that location is an excuse. They had a choice. Nobody is forced to do something they don't want.

[KnoxCase]

To blame the magazine for wanting that location is an excuse. They had a choice. Nobody is forced to do something they don't want.

true, choice.

the magazine had a choice, the family had a choice and the people in the stores have a choice to buy the magazine or not.

does anyone know if the family paid for the PR or was it the Magazine offering them money?

[lunchlady]

Hmmmm... Taking money for posing in front of the murder house seems like a bad idea. The mom looks sad, as does the family friend, but the sisters look self-absorbed, or perhaps just wanting to look nice for the camera.
Italy is pretty hot this time of year so the shorts aren't surprising to me.

[Jester]

yes, your correct.

no one is interested in the hardrive? but then why did Amanda ask to have it repaired thru the Judge?

very strange. one can only speculate, why?


Part 3- The probatory incident on Knox's computer- June 2008

Amanda Knox

On January 21, 2008 Your Honor appointed an expert to retrieve all data from the hard drives; to create a clone of the single hard drive; and to assess all useful circumstances and determine the reason for the blockage that occurred.
The contents of the hard drive of my computer (as well as those of the other suspects) were not recovered.

Further data could be recovered if the manufacturer Toshiba were appointed, and I would request this because the data in question will further support my claim of non-involvement in any illegal activity.

Judge Claudia Matteini-
First of all, the test on your computer determined nothing --either in your favor or against you-- because the hard drive could not be recovered.

And the test did not yield an exact reason for the damage, although it is probable that it is attributable to an error in handling, as any intentional act is excluded.
Obviously, we are facing a totally neutral element with regard to the probatory picture, which therefore remains unchanged.

Amanda has most likely asked for many things and been unable to provide an acceptable or satisfactory reason. Amanda's harddrive has no bearing on the case. It makes no difference whether the prosecution confiscated the harddrive, whether it was damaged, and whether Amanda wanted it repaired. For all we know she thought she'd be released months ago and wanted her class notes.

For several days you have mentioned that no information from Amanda's harddrive is available. I ask: what difference does it make?

[Jester]

So inappropriate. Do these people have no shame? Good lord.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199111/Revealed-Foxy-Knoxys-sisters-posing-happily-macabre-photos-house-Meredith-Kercher-died.html

I may seem old fashioned, but I have to say that Amanda's family should be doing a little more to present themselves more conservatively. They are in Italy, not Seattle. When in Rome, do as the Romans. When in Italy, respect the fact that it is a strong Roman Catholic country with very old fashioned values. Sure the younger generation watches and embraces American culture, but that does not negate the values they learn at home. This is entirely my opinion, but from traveling in Europe I knew from a young age that you cover your shoulders (long sleeves), you don't wear super short shorts (cover your knees), you dress conservatively. I'm a bit shocked that, under the circumstances, the family is not presenting themselves a bit more conservatively. They should look at what Raffaele's lawyer is wearing, and dress like that. Her style is impeccable, and appropriate for court or representing an accused.

[Jester]

Hmmmm... Taking money for posing in front of the murder house seems like a bad idea. The mom looks sad, as does the family friend, but the sisters look self-absorbed, or perhaps just wanting to look nice for the camera.
Italy is pretty hot this time of year so the shorts aren't surprising to me.

It is very hot this time of year, so skirts and sundresses are the best choice. They could not walk into a church, even as a tourist, without covering their knees and shoulders ... that's a fact. That's Italy.

[n/t]

true, choice.

the magazine had a choice, the family had a choice and the people in the stores have a choice to buy the magazine or not.

does anyone know if the family paid for the PR or was it the Magazine offering them money?

Don't know and I don't think it matters. Take any high profile case and imagine having the family members of the accused posing in front of the murder scene. Revolting.

[Pat]

This family seems to be short on good sense and empathy. There's nothing wrong with the article...of course they are going to want to defend Knox. It's the pictures that are offensive, given Knox is on trial for murdering Meredith Kercher right there. It shows quite a lack of respect for the dead girl. These people look like they are tourists at the local ghoul spot. It is just so inappropriate on so many levels.

Meredith Kercher's family is bound to take great offense at these photos and I can't say I blame them.

[KnoxCase]

yes, thru the Kerchers eyes its probably most revolting.

sad, our society and money machines feed upon devastation in such a way.

like the JFK assassination area, some entrepreneur started having rides in a 1963 limo, and the driver would press a button and gunshot sounds would come from the speaker as he drove the tourists by the location of the shooting. The Kennedys somehow had a hand in shutting it down.

very calloused. exploitation.

there's also a website that has humorous power-points on this murder case. very strange.

this cottage very well might turn into a tourist location. for some reason a lot of people are intrigued in this case.

[KnoxCase]

For several days you have mentioned that no information from Amanda's harddrive is available. I ask: what difference does it make?

personally I'm curious.

The Defense isn't even half done I don't think, so this may come up with more detail.

The fact it was one of only a few things she/lawyers requested from the Judge makes me think it had some importance.

unless the pc was at Raffaele's Nov 1 evening, (which to my knowledge it wasn't) it would be a huge piece of evidence.
Other than Raffaele giving her an alibi, the pc would be about all I could think of any person would have to prove they were home!
the cellphones were off.

but still, as someone mentioned, wouldn't a person remember which blog they were on or frequented, which forum or who they sent emails too? So even if her harddrive was bad, the recipient should have a record of it? right?

Was the hard-drive mentioned in her testimony? I don't think so.
Time will tell why she wanted it repaired or it will disappear from the court docs.

someone else posted somewhere it was probably just jpgs of the girls smiling and that kind of stuff. to disprove they hated each other.
more of a Character defense.

time will tell, what difference it makes.

[Jester]

personally I'm curious.

The Defense isn't even half done I don't think, so this may come up with more detail.

The fact it was one of only a few things she/lawyers requested from the Judge makes me think it had some importance.

unless the pc was at Raffaele's Nov 1 evening, (which to my knowledge it wasn't) it would be a huge piece of evidence.
Other than Raffaele giving her an alibi, the pc would be about all I could think of any person would have to prove they were home!
the cellphones were off.

but still, as someone mentioned, wouldn't a person remember which blog they were on or frequented, which forum or who they sent emails too? So even if her harddrive was bad, the recipient should have a record of it? right?

Was the hard-drive mentioned in her testimony? I don't think so.
Time will tell why she wanted it repaired or it will disappear from the court docs.

someone else posted somewhere it was probably just jpgs of the girls smiling and that kind of stuff. to disprove they hated each other.
more of a Character defense.

time will tell, what difference it makes.

I can't see how her harddrive is relevant. She has not claimed that she was using it at any time during the evening of the murder or the next morning. It's not part of her alibi. I suspect that it is important for personal reasons, as it probably has all her student files, emails, and other personal information, but it's not relevant to the case.

If there were pictures of Amanda with her roommates, other people would most likely have copies of the pictures, so that doesn't really justify restoring the harddrive either. It's the loss of personal information and files that she regrets losing, most likely, perhaps including travel photos.

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Amanda Knox Tells Courtroom 'Ciao' as Trial Adjourns for Summer Recess

As she left court, Knox - escorted by prison guards - was asked what she thought of the two month break. She shrugged her shoulders and said ''ciao."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533840,00.html