Saturday Feb 14 - # 2

[desmom]

New thread

:rose: Haleigh

[sthrnjustice]

Thanks Desmon!

[desmom]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

[sthrnjustice]

:thumbup: The voice of sanity!

[commonguymd]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=17


The track continued north past Haleigh's home down Monroe Avenue and onto Buchan Circle, which looped back to Monroe Avenue. The canine officer continued to track down Buffalo Bluff Road but lost the track at the railroad crossing.


Wonder how fast the trains go here and what trains went by during that timeframe she went missing.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie present. Still trying to play catch up. This poor child. JMO.

[Neffy]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

Extremely commendable. It doesn't take a big person to realize anger or stress made you say things you otherwise wouldn't have said and may have been just lashing out. It's takes a person of honesty and integrity.

[Pat]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.


It takes a big person to admit they are wrong and do it in front of a camera...and make no excuses. For all the criticism of these people, their lifestyle...how many wealthy,educated politicians do this unless they are under media scrutiny? Not to mention the 'celebs' who stay in trouble.

I hope we hear no more about these poor families and their lifestyle.

Let's concentrate on on Haleigh and getting news about what is going on in the search.

[desmom]

It takes a big person to admit they are wrong and do it in front of a camera...and make no excuses. For all the criticism of these people, their lifestyle...how many wealthy,educated politicians do this unless they are under media scrutiny? Not to mention the 'celebs' who stay in trouble.

I hope we hear no more about these poor families and their lifestyle.

Let's concentrate on on Haleigh and getting news about what is going on in the search.

Ditto! :beer:

[kayemm]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.



Good for her.

[jammies]

Extremely commendable. It doesn't take a big person to realize anger or stress made you say things you otherwise wouldn't have said and may have been just lashing out. It's takes a person of honesty and integrity.



It sure does. I probably would have lashed out too if I were in her position. Heck, if it were my hubby watching the kids and one went missing I probably would throw HIM under the bus!

[Dunlurken]

I keep thinking about how poor Mark Lunsford's life style was criticized at the beginning. and I agree, lifestyle probably doesn't have much to do with this case, unless Misty knows more then she's saying.

I'm positive the bio father and mother had nothing to do with this. Misty..... raising my eyebrows. JMO.

[kitty1182]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.



That's called class!! :beer:

[WillowInFlight]

It sure does. I probably would have lashed out too if I were in her position. Heck, if it were my hubby watching the kids and one went missing I probably would throw HIM under the bus!

I hope Ron told Misti that he was sorry for lashing out on her. Fear is an awful thing and can cause you to say and do things you normally wouldn't.

[Dunlurken]

I don't think they're going to find little Haleigh. JMO. What about the 44 sex offenders living within a 5 mile radius. Anything new on them?

[jammies]

I hope Ron told Misti that he was sorry for lashing out on her. Fear is an awful thing and can cause you to say and do things you normally wouldn't.


Yes, she's just a child herself. For him to expect her to act like an adult is ridiculous. That poor girl needs a "mommy" to guide her, hug her and let her be a teenager.

[SavannahStar]

It takes a big person to admit they are wrong and do it in front of a camera...and make no excuses. For all the criticism of these people, their lifestyle...how many wealthy,educated politicians do this unless they are under media scrutiny? Not to mention the 'celebs' who stay in trouble.

I hope we hear no more about these poor families and their lifestyle.

Let's concentrate on on Haleigh and getting news about what is going on in the search.

Huge ditto from me!

:thumbsup:

[playnice]

That's called class!! :beer:

It is. This is so Lunsford all over again the way this family is getting trashed. Fact is a little girl is missing and it probably isnt going to have a happy ending.
I really dont believe mom, dad or Misti is involved and hope the trashing stops unless evidence comes out to support that any of these people have done anything wrong to this child. They are all in so much pain right now and I dont believe in kicking a dog when they are down.
Haliegh is all that matters right now.

[CC I See]

I hope Ron told Misti that he was sorry for lashing out on her. Fear is an awful thing and can cause you to say and do things you normally wouldn't....... fear can also reveal hidden truths.

[ortiga]

I don't think they're going to find little Haleigh. JMO. What about the 44 sex offenders living within a 5 mile radius. Anything new on them?

One has been missing from Ocala since 1 February.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141003/1402/NEWS?Title=Sexual_predator_missing

[Dunlurken]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.

[i_pickle]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.Kudos to her. :thumbsup:

[jammies]

...... fear can also reveal hidden truths.


Yes it can. Especially when you're only just 17. :sad:

[ortiga]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.
That's a mystery, if you believe Misti. That she awoke at 3 am (to get a drink and/or go to to BR) and was surprised to see the kitchen light on, and then she saw the door propped open and the little girl missing.

[kayemm]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.

No-one has said yet, maybe Misti left it on so there would be some light in the bedroom for the kids, maybe it always stays on so Ron can see when he gets home after 3am, maybe it was turned on by an intruder, no idea yet.

[Neffy]

It sure does. I probably would have lashed out too if I were in her position. Heck, if it were my hubby watching the kids and one went missing I probably would throw HIM under the bus!

I wouldn't disagree as I'd be lashing out all over especially where my child was last seen and who they were with.

I'm really glad to hear this said as it helps the focus of this case whittle into more of a direction. IMO this may narrow that field in lieu of any EVIDENCE to the contrary.

When you have no evidence just someone's volitile rage pointing fingers it provides little help the actual finding of Haleigh.

I'm sorry but I have to say it. I hope no "sightings" are perpetuated around the dang country and LE is allowed to do their job.

[commonguymd]

That line is the Main North to East Coast of Florida line, they are traveling at a good rate of speed when they past there.

Thank you!

[kayemm]

That's a mystery, if you believe Misti. That she awoke at 3 am (to get a drink and/or go to to BR) and was surprised to see the kitchen light on, and then she saw the door propped open and the little girl missing.

Now, did she say she was 'surprised to see...' or did she just say that 'she saw..' I can't recall now, I got the impression that she saw it on and that allowed her to see the door open but the video stopped before she answered the question more fully.

[HI_CYCLE]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...w__soggy_start


In December of 2005, a judge declared Cummings the father of both children, gave him primary custody, and ordered the mother to pay child support.
The legal situation continued through November 2007


On Tuesday, the day Haleigh's absence was reported, the docket indicates a motion for contempt of court was filed, but it does not indicate who filed the motion or against whom it was filed.
You will find this info at the bottom of the page..
My bet, the father has filed contempt of court. Maybe she has NOT been paying her child suppport.

[Dunlurken]

That's a mystery, if you believe Misti. That she awoke at 3 am (to get a drink and/or go to to BR) and was surprised to see the kitchen light on, and then she saw the door propped open and the little girl missing.

As I also said, no abductor turns on a kitchen light. Propping the door open with a cynder block I can see.

[jammies]

No-one has said yet, maybe Misti left it on so there would be some light in the bedroom for the kids, maybe it always stays on so Ron can see when he gets home after 3am, maybe it was turned on by an intruder, no idea yet.


Or maybe for herself. She may have been scared being alone with little kids until 3:30am.

[?noanswer]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.


Someone flipped the switch. But who, is the question. JMO

[kayemm]

Or maybe for herself. She may have been scared being alone with little kids until 3:30am.

Possibly.

I hope she didn't, if she didn't then that means someone else did and that could mean evidence.

[5boxersmom]

That's called class!! :beer:

Yes it is. :thumbsup:

[i_pickle]

Aw, YES! Thankfully we have a family here who CAN and WILL correct a bad course as opposed to you-know-who.Yeah, I wish he would go home.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sorry but I have to say it. I hope no "sightings" are perpetuated around the dang country and LE is allowed to do their job.

Respectfully snipped, ITA we don't another case where we have a ton of bogus sightings.

[playnice]

Aw, YES! Thankfully we have a family here who CAN and WILL correct a bad course as opposed to you-know-who.

You are so right. Everyone is scared and lashing out and said things they dont mean because they need someone to blame. But they are big enough to admit they didnt mean it.
We also have a family that reported the child missing, cooperating with LE and taking polys.
This case is nothing like the other one.

[Dunlurken]

Or maybe for herself. She may have been scared being alone with little kids until 3:30am.
Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:

[i_pickle]

You are so right. Everyone is scared and lashing out and said things they dont mean because they need someone to blame. But they are big enough to admit they didnt mean it.
We also have a family that reported the child missing, cooperating with LE and taking polys.
This case is nothing like the other one.Like night and day.

[Neffy]

No-one has said yet, maybe Misti left it on so there would be some light in the bedroom for the kids, maybe it always stays on so Ron can see when he gets home after 3am, maybe it was turned on by an intruder, no idea yet.

I can't find this plausible. Cynder block propped up back door and the kitchen light on. Sounds like someone forgot to close something or turn something off.

Is there a lay out of this trailer? Where the back door is and the bedroom?

[ortiga]

Now, did she say she was 'surprised to see...' or did she just say that 'she saw..' I can't recall now, I got the impression that she saw it on and that allowed her to see the door open but the video stopped before she answered the question more fully.


She said that at the end of an interview, (which one?) without much other explanation. Maybe I read the "surprise" into it, but that's the way I took it, that it startled her that the kitchen light was on. But maybe you're right.

[WillowInFlight]

You are so right. Everyone is scared and lashing out and said things they dont mean because they need someone to blame. But they are big enough to admit they didnt mean it.
We also have a family that reported the child missing, cooperating with LE and taking polys.
This case is nothing like the other one.

No it isn't, So far we haven't seen the deceit, and the arrogance that we saw before.

[playnice]

Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:

My SIL works nights and my daughter leaves on the outside lights . She hears about these cases from me . She likes to be able to see if she hears a noise.

[kayemm]

Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:

What doesn't add up about the light, how can it not add up if we don't know who put it on and why?

[ortiga]

Or maybe for herself. She may have been scared being alone with little kids until 3:30am.

didn't Ron say she was usually asleep when he got home? I doubt that she was scared. If it were me, and if I were scared, I'd sit up reading with a baseball bat next to me, until he got home.

I think it just seems scary now, because of what has happened.

[kayemm]

She said that at the end of an interview, (which one?) without much other explanation. Maybe I read the "surprise" into it, but that's the way I took it, that it startled her that the kitchen light was on. But maybe you're right.


No you might be, I just couldn't remember her words, I know she appeared surprised to see the door open but the light thing, I can't recall, and yep you saw the same video I did, the tape just stopped just after the interviewer asked about the light... grrrr.

[i_pickle]

LOL, I-pickle, I just wrote the same thing!Great minds .....? :smile:

[OneUp]

Yes, she's just a child herself. For him to expect her to act like an adult is ridiculous. That poor girl needs a "mommy" to guide her, hug her and let her be a teenager.Yes and no...It isn't realistic to expect her to act as an adult might have...BUT, IMO she has put herself into the place of an adult woman and shouls know that others will hold her to that standard.
I tell my own (nearly) 17 y.o. the same thing. Don't put yourself in a "womans" place until you are ready and able to step up to the plate and BE an adult.
Misty doesn't seem especially bright or mature to me either...but she was living an adult womans life by her own choice and with her parents consent.
She needed a "mommy" to hold and guide her long ago IMO, so she wouldn't be dropped out and shacked up at barely 17...but that doesn't seem to be either here nor there in relation to someone grabbing this little one from her home.
That is just what I think happened at this point. I may have to reassess that later when I catch up on my reading though.
JMO

[jammies]

didn't Ron say she was usually asleep when he got home? I doubt that she was scared. If it were me, and if I were scared, I'd sit up reading with a baseball bat next to me, until he got home.

I think it just seems scary now, because of what has happened.


She's 17 in a trailer with two kids. I would have lights ablazing. Actually, I'm 55, keep 3 lights on downstairs, flood light on garage, automatic sensor light on back door. Just precautions and safety issues. Most people in my neighborhood keep lights on. It KEEPS us from being afraid of intruders so we CAN sleep peacefully.

[Dunlurken]

What doesn't add up about the light, how can it not add up if we don't know who put it on and why?An abducter wouldn't turn on the light. Misty said she was surprised to see the kitchen light on. :confused:

[kayemm]

I read it the same way you did, that she didn't know why the light would have been on.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

Brilliant, thanks for this, it's an extended version of the interview i saw before, she says the light was not on and she would have known if the door was open earlier because it's right near where the washer/dryer is.

[Neffy]

She's 17 in a trailer with two kids. I would have lights ablazing. Actually, I'm 55, keep 3 lights on downstairs, flood light on garage, automatic sensor light on back door. Just precautions and safety issues. Most people in my neighborhood keep lights on. It KEEPS us from being afraid of intruders so we CAN sleep peacefully.


Ive never walked out of a room and accidently left a light on.

BAHAWAWAWAWAWA.

Heck I go to the store for milk and come out NO MILK everything else though.

[Pat]

Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:

My daughter was afraid of being in a dark house alone until well after her son was born. When her husband would go out of town, she and the baby would come stay with us. And she was close to 30. She knew her fear was unreasonable, but it was real.

[Dunlurken]

Yes and no...It isn't realistic to expect her to act as an adult might have...BUT, IMO she has put herself into the place of an adult woman and shouls know that others will hold her to that standard.
I tell my own (nearly) 17 y.o. the same thing. Don't put yourself in a "womans" place until you are ready and able to step up to the plate and BE an adult.
Misty doesn't seem especially bright or mature to me either...but she was living an adult womans life by her own choice and with her parents consent.
She needed a "mommy" to hold and guide her long ago IMO, so she wouldn't be dropped out and shacked up at barely 17...but that doesn't seem to be either here nor there in relation to someone grabbing this little one from her home.
That is just what I think happened at this point. I may have to reassess that later when I catch up on my reading though.
JMOI know we can second guess everyone, as we should do. Why was Misty living with the Dad? A 17 year old living with a 25 year old man just isn't right. JMO.

[OneUp]

Now, did she say she was 'surprised to see...' or did she just say that 'she saw..' I can't recall now, I got the impression that she saw it on and that allowed her to see the door open but the video stopped before she answered the question more fully.Maybe surprised to see the door open...but she left the light on....just worded poorly I don't see it being big whether the light was on or she left it on though. It's probably just another case of reporting/editing screwing the facts around a little.
I can see the light being on as relevant if she didn't leave it on, and Haleigh couldn't reach it/didn't know how to turn it on , as that indicates SOMEONE ELSE did. That further proves someone was in the house and haleigh didn't wander off on her own.
I KNOW Haleigh is 5, but I know HS. kids who can't boil water too....it could have been too high up or something.
JMO

[ortiga]

I read it the same way you did, that she didn't know why the light would have been on.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823

Thanks for the video, I hadn't seen that one.

After seeing it my gut instincts tell me she's innocent. That much anguish can't be faked by someone that young.

[desmom]

Someone asked for a Who is Who list. From the links thread, I came up with these names. Please feel free to add or correct.

Haleigh's Family:

Cummings, Crystal - Ronald Cummings’ sister

Cummings, Ronald – Haleigh’s father

Cummings, Ronald Jr. (referred to as "Junior") - Haleigh’s brother

Sheffield, Crystal – Haleigh’s mother

Croslin, Misty - Ronald Cummings girlfriend

Griffis, Marie - Haleigh's maternal grandmother

Neves, Teresa – Haleigh’s grandmother

Sheffield, Connie - Haleigh's step-grandmother

Sheffield, Johnny - Haleigh's grandfather

LE names from news articles:

Hardy, Jeff - Putnam County Sheriff

Merchant, John – Detective, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Rose, Steve – Captain, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

[kayemm]

An abducter wouldn't turn on the light. Misty said she was surprised to see the kitchen light on. :confused:

OK, gotcha, sorry a few of us were still unsure who put the light on, we still thought that Misti might have and you responded to one of those posts by saying something didn't add up, I was confused because I couldn't work out what you expected to add up if we didn't know who put it on in the first place, there was nothing TO add up :biggrin:

I have now seen a different video where Misti says she didn't leave it on.

[Pat]

I know we can second guess everyone, as we should do. Why was Misty living with the Dad? A 17 year old living with a 25 year old man just isn't right. JMO.

If you go back to yesterday's threads, you can see allllllll the discussion on this topic you'd like. I'd rather leave it all on yesterday's threads, myself.

[i_pickle]

An abducter wouldn't turn on the light. Misty said she was surprised to see the kitchen light on. :confused:Imo, the light on is an indication of someone in the family or someone close to the family.

I don't think a stranger would be that bold.

[CC I See]

I can't find this plausible. Cynder block propped up back door and the kitchen light on. Sounds like someone forgot to close something or turn something off.

Is there a lay out of this trailer? Where the back door is and the bedroom?... they have checked the home, there was no forced entry.

Either Misti left a door unlocked or she let the person in or she herself did something to Haleigh. I worry about Ron's temper when this information finally sinks in.

[Neffy]

Thanks for the video, I hadn't seen that one.

After seeing it my gut instincts tell me she's innocent. That much anguish can't be faked by someone that young.

Haleigh could have woken up and turned it on for that matter.

[jammies]

Yes and no...It isn't realistic to expect her to act as an adult might have...BUT, IMO she has put herself into the place of an adult woman and shouls know that others will hold her to that standard.
I tell my own (nearly) 17 y.o. the same thing. Don't put yourself in a "womans" place until you are ready and able to step up to the plate and BE an adult.
Misty doesn't seem especially bright or mature to me either...but she was living an adult womans life by her own choice and with her parents consent.
She needed a "mommy" to hold and guide her long ago IMO, so she wouldn't be dropped out and shacked up at barely 17...but that doesn't seem to be either here nor there in relation to someone grabbing this little one from her home.
That is just what I think happened at this point. I may have to reassess that later when I catch up on my reading though.
JMO

I reassess every 5 minutes, One!!
No matter who's at fault, she was a kid living in an adult world with no parents to guide her. That Ron would trust her to take care of the kids AS AN ADULT is what's disturbing. That her parents seemed ok with this arrangement.
I think it DOES have some bearing on this case as they weren't HER kids, plus her youth and inexperience, etc. I sure didn't trust my daughter at her same age to lock the back door. She often left it open at night. Fortunately, I always checked.

Teenagers think they know everything that's why they have parents to remind them over and over that they don't!! Maybe this kid had a lousy home life and had no where else to go? Just a bad position for her to be in all the way around.

Nice to see you. where ya been?

[SavannahStar]

Someone asked for a Who is Who list. From the links thread, I came up with these names. Please feel free to add or correct.

Haleigh's Family:

Cummings, Crystal - Ronald Cummings’ sister

Cummings, Ronald – Haleigh’s father

Cummings, Ronald Jr., - Haleigh’s brother

Sheffield, Crystal – Haleigh’s mother

Croslin, Misty - Ronald Cummings girlfriend

Griffis, Marie - Haleigh's maternal grandmother

Neves, Teresa – Haleigh’s grandmother

Sheffield, Connie - Haleigh's step-grandmother

Sheffield, Johnny - Haleigh's grandfather

LE names from news articles:

Hardy, Jeff - Putnam County Sheriff

Merchant, John – Detective, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Rose, Steve – Captain, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Excellent, desmom! Thank you! :thumbup:

(I'd just add referred to as "Junior" after Ronald Cummings, Jr.)

[WillowInFlight]

OK, gotcha, sorry a few of us were still unsure who put the light on, we still thought that Misti might have and you responded to one of those posts by saying something didn't add up, I was confused because I couldn't work out what you expected to add up if we didn't know who put it on in the first place, there was nothing TO add up :biggrin:

I have now seen a different video where Misti says she didn't leave it on.

Is it possible that Haleigh got up and turned it on? You're right at this point we don't know who did.

[Armchairdet]

I just spent 15 minutes typing out a post, and nobody was there. :huh:

Ok I am here now, not anyone elses fault I type so slow.

[kayemm]

Thanks for the video, I hadn't seen that one.

After seeing it my gut instincts tell me she's innocent. That much anguish can't be faked by someone that young.

I agree, my gut says she is being honest, the only time her voice changes is when she says she is not allowed to talk about the polygraph and that to me screams that she is not used to hiding stuff, it's like she wants to be helpful but can't because she's been told not to. Also when she talks about putting Haleigh to bed with just a sheet to start with she sounds like she is going to cry again and that to me rings true she is thinking about Haleigh being just a little girl at that stage, imo.

[jammies]

Haleigh could have woken up and turned it on for that matter.


Easily. Which is why I've asked over and over why they didn't think she wandered off? Did they look outside for her? That would have been my first thoughts upon finding a child missing. Been there, done that.

[SavannahStar]

If you go back to yesterday's threads, you can see allllllll the discussion on this topic you'd like. I'd rather leave it all on yesterday's threads, myself.

:biggrin:

You got that right!

[ortiga]

... they have checked the home, there was no forced entry.

Either Misti left a door unlocked or she let the person in or she herself did something to Haleigh. I worry about Ron's temper when this information finally sinks in.


Maybe it will sink in first that someone could have had a key, and then you won't have to worry about Ron's temper.

:rolleyes:

[breeze53]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.


She may have left it on and didnt remember it. I know i leave a light on every night and i am very old:scared:

[WillowInFlight]

If you go back to yesterday's threads, you can see allllllll the discussion on this topic you'd like. I'd rather leave it all on yesterday's threads, myself.

Where is should be left, no reason to rehash something thats none of our business anyways.

[desmom]

Ive never walked out of a room and accidently left a light on.

BAHAWAWAWAWAWA.

Heck I go to the store for milk and come out NO MILK everything else though.

We must shop in the same store.

If the light had not been on, I do not believe anyone would have realized Haleigh was missing until Ronald came home or in the morning.

jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Does anyone know if there is a fund set up to help the family?

Am sure the dad can't work, with the stress he is under. Imagine what life would be like if you had nothing and someone took that away?

I wonder if they even have money for meals - I don't think tents come with kitchens.

Thanks

[OneUp]

Someone flipped the switch. But who, is the question. JMODoes anyone know if the door in the rear opens into the kitchen? Alot of trailers are that way...MAYBE ( big maybe as it would be risky), but maybe the perp. turned on the light by reaching in the door and waiting outside as a "test" to see if anyone would respond. A light comes on out of the blue at 3:00 a.m. and no one responds, that would tell an intruder everyone was fast asleep.
That's a stretch though, but we have seen some outrageous and risky behavior by pedophile abductors before.
I get the feeling this was someone that had been in that house before. My meter tweeked a little when I heard the brother and kids were there earlier....not starting any rumors tho. unless some facts come out that point that way. Just instinct or something I guess, because family comnig over to play normally wouldn't register. *sigh* I probably just follow too many stories and suspect everyone until evidence or my "feelings" clear them. That includes ANYONE with access.
This is JUST another theory/option...no reason to suspect other than throwing ideas out and chasing down facts to support or refute them.
That IS someone Misty might lie to cover for, esp. about a small detail...trying to keep from "making him look bad" because she knew he couldn't ever do anything like that....And/or trying to keep Ronald from finding out and blaming her.
JMO

[Armchairdet]

I went back for everybody 'cause I was missing ya'll. :laugh:

Thanks for coming back for me. I probably would have just sat there clicking reload for an hour before I caught on. LOL

[bluwaters]

I COMPLETELY agree with you Mimi. I hope what I wrote didn't imply the high risk of *violence*. I just meant troubled as in; the higher risk as a *victim* of violence, high risk for poverty, poor health care, institutionalizing (Government programs, correctional systems etc.) and just generally having poor options for your life.

I am also in total agreement here.
Misty is a minor and a victim, IMO.
I do that think she is troubled.
Maybe my choice of words was inaccurate.
She is in a world of trouble, and was long before Haleigh disappeared.
She does not strike me as being a violent person, from what little I've seen.

[ortiga]

:biggrin:

You got that right!

Yes, maybe we can have a thread that doesn't dwell on the age of the gf. It's been pretty nasty for 2 nights running when that other poster comes on, the one that plays the broken record.

[Neffy]

See, that's why you're so adorable! :wub:

TYFM oh QOTU! :wub: (Happy Valentines Day!)

[bluwaters]

That line is the Main North to East Coast of Florida line, they are traveling at a good rate of speed when they past there.

There are many trains on that line too, both commercial and passenger.

[jammies]

I am also in total agreement here.
Misty is a minor and a victim, IMO.
I do that think she is troubled.
Maybe my choice of words was inaccurate.
She is in a world of trouble, and was long before Haleigh disappeared.
She does not strike me as being a violent person, from what little I've seen.


ITA, blu. I feel more sorry for her than anything else. If she's hiding anything it's because she's a scared kid. IMO at this point in time.

[desmom]

Excellent, desmom! Thank you! :thumbup:

(I'd just add referred to as "Junior" after Ronald Cummings, Jr.)

Done. Thanks.

[kayemm]

We must shop in the same store.

If the light had not been on, I do not believe anyone would have realized Haleigh was missing until Ronald came home or in the morning.

jmo


Quite possibly, a half asleep person using the bathroom in the middle of the night, depending on temperature or wind etc perhaps she could have gone back to bed and not even noticed anything was wrong, I know when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I consciously try and make sure I don't wake up.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, maybe we can have a thread that doesn't dwell on the age of the gf. It's been pretty nasty for 2 nights running when that other poster comes on, the one that plays the broken record.


Shhhhhhhhhhh, I think she finally went to sleep......when I got up this morning she was STILL posting.....:ohmy:. A marathon!

I'm pretty impressed by Misty for a 17-year-old. I would not call her troubled, but she does have limited choices. We can't tell others how to live though. My lifestyle isn't right for everyone, nor is anyone else's necessarily right for me.

[?noanswer]

Does anyone know if there is a fund set up to help the family?

Am sure the dad can't work, with the stress he is under. Imagine what life would be like if you had nothing and someone took that away?

I wonder if they even have money for meals - I don't think tents come with kitchens.

Thanks

It was reported yesterday that the neighbors and community was providing food. A bowling alley is going to donate some of the proceeds from this weekend. JMO

[bama__angel]

Does anyone know if there is a fund set up to help the family?

Am sure the dad can't work, with the stress he is under. Imagine what life would be like if you had nothing and someone took that away?

I wonder if they even have money for meals - I don't think tents come with kitchens.

Thanks



The living in the tent is what broke me.............and I dont even know if it's a lack of money..........I dont think the daddy wanted to leave because he is afraid Haleigh might come back home and he wouldnt be there.....

[OneUp]

Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:LOL...Dunnie, I doubt she WAS afraid of the dark, but I'm 37 and I am.
:blushing:
I just am, OK!?!?!!
Some of us are. Most adults aren't.
:), don't judge me pleasse!!!

[desmom]

Easily. Which is why I've asked over and over why they didn't think she wandered off? Did they look outside for her? That would have been my first thoughts upon finding a child missing. Been there, done that.


I agree.

I would have searched the house and then headed for the yard.

jmo

[jammies]

Yes, best let that sleeping monster lie, IMO. WOW! It was a doozy.:scared:




shhhhh. Don't wake them up!! FOR THE MOST PART, good discussion today w/o the nastiness and preaching. :wink:

[SavannahStar]

Yay! Good post. I'd be interested in helping out in some small way too.


Does anyone know, is it the little brother's birthday today? :sad:

Now that you mention it.......today or Sunday I think? :sad: A sad birthday for the little fella!

[breeze53]

Easily. Which is why I've asked over and over why they didn't think she wandered off? Did they look outside for her? That would have been my first thoughts upon finding a child missing. Been there, done that.


Does anyone have the link to the video news that had the chat on the side of it?

[?noanswer]

There are many trains on that line too, both commercial and passenger.

Several years ago, there was a guy that would ride the rails, get off, kill someone and then hop on the train again. They finally caught him. Hopefully that is not what happened here. One never knows. JMO

[Mimi428]

I COMPLETELY agree with you Mimi. I hope what I wrote didn't imply the high risk of *violence*. I just meant troubled as in; the higher risk as a *victim* of violence, high risk for poverty, poor health care, institutionalizing (Government programs, correctional systems etc.) and just generally having poor options for your life.

Oh, I didn't think you meant that at all, I was just opining on how many risks there are to be a 'high-risk" for!

And I agree with you thoroughly, a young girl in Misti's circumstances surely does cause me concern about her risks for ending up in a dead-end lifestyle. No education & completely dependent on the kindness of some guy has undoubtedly led to the general NON-wellbeing of a slew of women. History is proof of that, goodness knows.

I think it is greatly commendable for Marie Griffis to put herself front & center & make it known to one & all that she apologizes for her hasty, unkind words early on. That takes a lot of guts. And it further demonstrates (to me, anyway) that you can be rough as a cob, so to speak, but it does NOT mean you DON'T have the capacity for love & compassion.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Shhhhhhhhhhh, I think she finally went to sleep......when I got up this morning she was STILL posting.....:ohmy:. A marathon!

I'm pretty impressed by Misty for a 17-year-old. I would not call her troubled, but she does have limited choices. We can't tell others how to live though. My lifestyle isn't right for everyone, nor is anyone else's necessarily right for me.

ITA Savannah, And I have yet to see anything that points me in the direction that Misti has brought any harm to this child.

[desmom]

Yay! Good post. I'd be interested in helping out in some small way too.


Does anyone know, is it the little brother's birthday today? :sad:

Media is reporting his birthday is Sunday. jmo

[breeze53]

Now that you mention it.......today or Sunday I think? :sad: A sad birthday for the little fella!

I read earlier it's Sunday and they want both families to get together. He will be 4 I think they said.

[?noanswer]

Yay! Good post. I'd be interested in helping out in some small way too.


Does anyone know, is it the little brother's birthday today? :sad:

If not today, then tomorrow. It is this weekend. I also read there is a memorial where people are bringing flowers, stuffed animals, etc. I also saw where her classmates brought valentine candy. JMO

[boo]

OMG, all these posts and I thought surely something had happened. I'm guessing, no Haleigh this morning?

(For all my NF friends... has it really only been a year?)

[i_pickle]

Yay! Good post. I'd be interested in helping out in some small way too.


Does anyone know, is it the little brother's birthday today? :sad:I think it is today or yesterday, not sure.

Good idea about the fund. I see a couple of people upped the reward. Maybe someone set one up already.

[WillowInFlight]

It was reported yesterday that the neighbors and community was providing food. A bowling alley is going to donate some of the proceeds from this weekend. JMO

And I believe a local Bingo hall said they were going to donate some of the winnings.

[march27]

Don't buy that. Why would a 17 year old be afraid of the dark? And what reasonable dad..... too much here is not adding up. :confused:

I'm 27 and whenever my husband works out of town I leave the kitchen light on... almost like it will make an intruder think someone is up and not bother me or my kids

[CC I See]

Maybe it will sink in first that someone could have had a key, and then you won't have to worry about Ron's temper.

:rolleyes:... I don't know the laws in Florida but in Texas when you rent a home or apartment the locks would have needed to be changed before that time. Also, only two keys are given with a do not duplicate stamped on them to the new tennants. We don't know if this procedure had been followed prior to their moving in but if it had, it will be easier to track down who had keys.

[jammies]

Does anyone have the link to the video news that had the chat on the side of it?



This?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

[ortiga]

Quite possibly, a half asleep person using the bathroom in the middle of the night, depending on temperature or wind etc perhaps she could have gone back to bed and not even noticed anything was wrong, I know when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I consciously try and make sure I don't wake up.

Me too, but leaving my eyes closed means I usually DO hit something and really wake up. lol

Somewhere it was said that Haleighs little bed was nearest the door of the bedroom, and the bedroom door was open. I'd like to hear more about a polygraph (if it will be done) on the mother's boyfriend, stepbrother, whatever. And also, for example, how long they've been together and how he likes the idea of having 2 other kids. Was he a familiar and loved figure for the 2 kids? Or vice-versa and he didn't want them in his life at all. Maybe my eye is just being drawn to the one who has received so little scrutiny in this case. From us, lol.

[PuffDragon]

No-one has said yet, maybe Misti left it on so there would be some light in the bedroom for the kids, maybe it always stays on so Ron can see when he gets home after 3am, maybe it was turned on by an intruder, no idea yet.

I don't think it's normally left on, Misty said it was the light being on that caught her attention and led her to notice that the door was open. So I'm assuming it wasn't left on.

[breeze53]

This?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx


Thanks Jammies miss ya over at the other place:tongue:

[Rayosunshine]

And I believe a local Bingo hall said they were going to donate some of the winnings.

Good. Glad to hear someone cares.

[i_pickle]

LOL...Dunnie, I doubt she WAS afraid of the dark, but I'm 37 and I am.
:blushing:
I just am, OK!?!?!!
Some of us are. Most adults aren't.
:), don't judge me pleasse!!!I was too for a long time, but I'm not anymore. I'm a lot older than you tho...never mind how much. :wink:

[?noanswer]

And I believe a local Bingo hall said they were going to donate some of the winnings.


You're right, it was bingo, not bowling. My bad. JMO

[jammies]

Thanks Jammies miss ya over at the other place:tongue:


Welcome, breeze! "I'll be baaaaaack"! lol

[?noanswer]

One thing that could point to innocense - no one has lawyered up yet. JMO

[OneUp]

I reassess every 5 minutes, One!!
No matter who's at fault, she was a kid living in an adult world with no parents to guide her. That Ron would trust her to take care of the kids AS AN ADULT is what's disturbing. That her parents seemed ok with this arrangement.
I think it DOES have some bearing on this case as they weren't HER kids, plus her youth and inexperience, etc. I sure didn't trust my daughter at her same age to lock the back door. She often left it open at night. Fortunately, I always checked.

Teenagers think they know everything that's why they have parents to remind them over and over that they don't!! Maybe this kid had a lousy home life and had no where else to go? Just a bad position for her to be in all the way around.

Nice to see you. where ya been?been busy ( nearly a two Y.O, yah know!).
I'll get bashed for sure, but I'm leaving my little one with her 17 y.o. sister to go away overnight for my anniversary. True, my mother lives on the same block, but I'm trusting HER...not my mom or G-Mom would be here. I watched kids overnight in my home from 16 y.o. on ) lived on my own before 18). I don't actually have a problem with Misty watching the kids...the shacking up bothers me personally ALOT, but I've worked with plenty of families that saw that as normal....some religious groups marry girls off to even older men at even younger ages...some parents feel she'll sneak off anyway, and at least they "know she's safe'. It's illegal, but it's also pretty common in some groups.
Yeah, I agree that she wasn't brought up the way I think she should have been...otherwise she'd be at home and in school....but her parents ( AFAIK) aren't responsible for Haleigh being missing either.
The biggest impact I see her age having on this case are her reactions upon findnig Haleigh was missing, and someone outside seeing her as an easy target to abduct from/ manipulate into letting them close enough to set up the kidnapping.
JMO.

[Santa'sMom]

I know we can second guess everyone, as we should do. Why was Misty living with the Dad? A 17 year old living with a 25 year old man just isn't right. JMO.

Dun, I'm not responding to you in particular, your post is just the latest one to ask the same question. So I chose it to jump in and throw out my two cents (in this economy, I'm throwing out money?? ouch!!).
Everyone keeps asking this over and over and over. The area where they live is very low income. Education is not a priority for many of the residents. Think redneck hicks and you're getting close. There is a lot of alcoholism and substance abuse with and without mental illness. We lived ten miles from there for almost two years. I have never seen so many schizophrenics in one area. Of course, there are some really awesome people living there, too.
Young girls shack up with older guys to get away from their families, because they think they are madly in love, because he seems so charming, ... Also, guys in their late twenties are more apt to be interested in a "committed relationship" than a 17 year old guy would be.
I was 17 when I met my ex and he was 27. We were married almost 20 years. It isn't uncommon and isn't anything new. It isn't a sign of a healthy relationship but it isn't necessarily a sign that there is something sinister going on either. Age doesn't matter when you think you're in LOVE (most of the time it's only heat but at the time, we don't stop to think things through).
As for the guys, men always look for younger girls. It helps their fragile little egos to be seen with a pretty young thing. It is also helpful to have a young girlfriend if you are the control type, that way you can "raise them up the way you want."
I see all kinds of red flags in the relationship between those two but don't see their age difference as being something that comes into play with respect to Haleigh's being gone.
Just my tiny little opinion, of course.

PS I work nights and just woke up, hoping to read here that Haleigh had been found. You guys are disappointing me here!! You're supposed to have reported that she is safe and sound and back with her family.

[Leanne Weich]

I'm not afraid where I live now in the city, but when my family lived in the woods like that...I like a light, IMO. Gosh Dunnie, everyone in the world really is different.

My DD who is 22 went away this weekend with her fiancee and phoned me at 2.00 a.m. yesterday morning because she was scared and he was asleep and wouldn't wake up. Something woke her up and she didn't know what. Said she lay in bed for 15 minutes before grabbing her cell phone off the bedside table and phoning me. I then stayed on the line with her while she got up and went through and turned on all the lights and checked that nobody was in the apartment - 8th floor in the middle of Surfer's Paradise. This is a kid who knows no fear when she's home in Sydney. Been known to walk 10 kms home from a club in the early hours of the a.m. because she's poed with someone. I wouldn't find it strange if Misti left the light on when she went to bed.

[ortiga]

I'm 27 and whenever my husband works out of town I leave the kitchen light on... almost like it will make an intruder think someone is up and not bother me or my kids

I do too, the laundry room light. It's just a routine. Like maybe I'll see the intruder first before being surprised by one. Of course a good dog inside the house is what I really like.

[desmom]

And I believe a local Bingo hall said they were going to donate some of the winnings.

Kudos to the Millers, owners of The Bingo Palace, and the community for their support of the Haliegh's family.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131282&provider=top

The Millers said they also planned on donating $1000 of their own money in addition to the proceeds from the bingo games which adds up to $3000. The couple said they will give the proceeds of Friday, Saturday, and Sunday's games.

The Bingo Palace says they also have 14 other charities they donate to.

Friday night's donations totaled up to $1721.

[5boxersmom]

Looking at the pics of the doublewide. Here is how I see the layout. The side door or backdoor, as they call it, would come into a laundry room that would then go in to the kitchen. Then from the kitchen a dining room then the living room would be in front of the house with the front door. The master bedroom would be to the left of the living room if you are looking at the front of the house. Behind the MB is the kitchen. Master Bathroom seems to be on the outside wall per the skylight, so the laundry room is behind the Master Bath. So there would be a wall separating them.

2 bedrooms and a bath on the other side of dining and living room.


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088


So an intruder would have come in the side door into the laundry room, walk through the kitchen, then dining room, make a right into living room and then in to the Master Bedroom.

This is for who ever was asking about the floor plan.

[mattncats]

I don't think I can follow this as much as I did with the Caylee case. Hers is just too heartbreaking and time consuming. I will check in time to time but I just don't think I can go through this again. I do feel bad for all involved. Poor little Hayleigh. She didn't seem to have much of a chance.

[Pat]

One thing that could point to innocense - no one has lawyered up yet. JMO

Wow! You're right!! :scared:

:laugh:

[SavannahStar]

One thing that could point to innocense - no one has lawyered up yet. JMO

I don't think lawyering up points to guilt though. That's pretty much a thing of the past, IMO.

I don't think any of this family has the money to lawyer up, though, innocent or guilty. Though I don't personally think they are guilty of anything at all.

[jammies]

been busy ( nearly a two Y.O, yah know!).
I'll get bashed for sure, but I'm leaving my little one with her 17 y.o. sister to go away overnight for my anniversary. True, my mother lives on the same block, but I'm trusting HER...not my mom or G-Mom would be here. I watched kids overnight in my home from 16 y.o. on ) lived on my own before 18). I don't actually have a problem with Misty watching the kids...the shacking up bothers me personally ALOT, but I've worked with plenty of families that saw that as normal....some religious groups marry girls off to even older men at even younger ages...some parents feel she'll sneak off anyway, and at least they "know she's safe'. It's illegal, but it's also pretty common in some groups.
Yeah, I agree that she wasn't brought up the way I think she should have been...otherwise she'd be at home and in school....but her parents ( AFAIK) aren't responsible for Haleigh being missing either.
The biggest impact I see her age having on this case are her reactions upon findnig Haleigh was missing, and someone outside seeing her as an easy target to abduct from/ manipulate into letting them close enough to set up the kidnapping.
JMO.

No bashing here. My daughter watched neighbors kids over night too....and like your situation, I live 2 doors down. HAVE FUN, GF!!!! Hope you have a great night! :wub:

[CanCan]

17 agencies, 200-plus volunteers look for Haleigh
Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of Haleigh search

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/-1/ENTERTAINMENT05?Title=Saturday_search_for_Haleigh_ off_to_slow__soggy_start

(12:45 p.m.) PALATKA - Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

Now, THAT'S basic standards. :wink: Good for Marie.

jmo

[barskin&co.]

One thing that could point to innocense - no one has lawyered up yet. JMO

Excellent point! I hadn't thought of that.

[OneUp]

Several years ago, there was a guy that would ride the rails, get off, kill someone and then hop on the train again. They finally caught him. Hopefully that is not what happened here. One never knows. JMOUGH! I think I remember him...very different victims each time wasn't it? He was very opportunistic, and I think they had to backtrack on prints/dna to link him to other crimes...and others that LE suspects, but can't prove because of the very different victims.etc.
I Hope someone like Duncan doesn't have this little girl, though I guess that WOULD at least levae a slim chance she is alive and can be found.
I don't see it being likely there will be any good outcome in this case. :( I was soooo sorry to hear her mother was out of the area and the brother left behind. I hoped for a parental kidnapping.
JMO.

[lonetraveler]

Someone flipped the switch. But who, is the question. JMO


---
IIRC, Misti was on the way to the bathroom and didn't make it there, she noticed the kitchen light was on and then noticed that the door was open.

[i_pickle]

Dun, I'm not responding to you in particular, your post is just the latest one to ask the same question. So I chose it to jump in and throw out my two cents (in this economy, I'm throwing out money?? ouch!!).
Everyone keeps asking this over and over and over. The area where they live is very low income. Education is not a priority for many of the residents. Think redneck hicks and you're getting close. There is a lot of alcoholism and substance abuse with and without mental illness. We lived ten miles from there for almost two years. I have never seen so many schizophrenics in one area. Of course, there are some really awesome people living there, too.
Young girls shack up with older guys to get away from their families, because they think they are madly in love, because he seems so charming, ... Also, guys in their late twenties are more apt to be interested in a "committed relationship" than a 17 year old guy would be.
I was 17 when I met my ex and he was 27. We were married almost 20 years. It isn't uncommon and isn't anything new. It isn't a sign of a healthy relationship but it isn't necessarily a sign that there is something sinister going on either. Age doesn't matter when you think you're in LOVE (most of the time it's only heat but at the time, we don't stop to think things through).
As for the guys, men always look for younger girls. It helps their fragile little egos to be seen with a pretty young thing. It is also helpful to have a young girlfriend if you are the control type, that way you can "raise them up the way you want."
I see all kinds of red flags in the relationship between those two but don't see their age difference as being something that comes into play with respect to Haleigh's being gone.
Just my tiny little opinion, of course.

PS I work nights and just woke up, hoping to read here that Haleigh had been found. You guys are disappointing me here!! You're supposed to have reported that she is safe and sound and back with her family.Imo, it has more to do with economics than geography. Poor city kids leave home for the same reasons and men are the same all over, lol.

[jammies]

I do too, the laundry room light. It's just a routine. Like maybe I'll see the intruder first before being surprised by one. Of course a good dog inside the house is what I really like.


Your post gave me chills!!! lol I DON"T WANT TO SEE AN INTRUDER EVER EVER!!! (hear me, God???) I even lock the bathroom door when taking a shower!! Hitchcock got to me in my early years! lol
Yes, get a good yappy dog. My dog barks at every little noise during the night.

Wish Ron had owned a dog. :(

[PuffDragon]

Now that you mention it.......today or Sunday I think? :sad: A sad birthday for the little fella!

It would be the best thing if they could put everything aside for a little while and let Junior have his birthday.

[kitty1182]

I hope LE is checking all the cars in the neighbor hood......Like the trunks....

[Facinated]

Okay here goes:

I moved out on my own when I was 16, moved in with my NOW husband when I was 17 and he was 22. We were both raised in upper middle class families and we both had our educations. I am NOW 50 with two sons!

I always befriended people older than me because I did not like people my own age, they were too immature for me!

We own our own home and business and live in an Upper Middle Class neighbourhood.

I have relatives involved in British Royalty and to them, I am "Low" Class.

To judge people for what they do because of their age or their education or their "standard" of living is deplorable!!!

It is ridiculous to do so, the only important thing here is finding that little girl and finding out who took her and then making them pay for it.

The comments made on the past threads just blow me away!!!

[SavannahStar]

Your post gave me chills!!! lol I DON"T WANT TO SEE AN INTRUDER EVER EVER!!! (hear me, God???) I even lock the bathroom door when taking a shower!! Hitchcock got to me in my early years! lol
Yes, get a good yappy dog. My dog barks at every little noise during the night.

Wish Ron had owned a dog. :(


Wow, good point! That's odd that they don't have a dog!

(Everyone should have a dog! :smile:)

[bluwaters]

Good. Glad to hear someone cares.

I think the community is coming together for the family and being very supportive of them and their needs.
If it goes into a long haul (Please God - NO!), then there may be the need for a fund to help support them.
I hope that RC can manage to hold onto his job!
They are not easy to come by in that county and that looks to be much worse before it gets better.

[CanCan]

Let me ask this again, as I did on the other thread. Why was the kitchen light on? JMO.

It was *left on* so that when Misti *woke up at 3* she would be able to see that the *back door had been propped open to make it look like an intruder had abducted Haleigh* :glare:

jmo

[TeenyNRossi]

I may be wrong...didn't Crystal (Mom) have something about taking care of her big kid Chad on her Myspace ...is Chad her fiance or an unknown? My question is because of the missing SO named Chad. Anyone know Mom's fiance's name?

[kitty1182]

Wow, good point! That's odd that they don't have a dog!

(Everyone should have a dog! :smile:)



And if you don't have a dog, put up a Beware Of Dog sign anyway....:smile:

[?noanswer]

From the placement of the back door on the trailer I think the master bedroom that they were in is on the left hand side of the house looking from the front (the 2nd bathroom is usually in the master bedroom). Since it had been cold at night in North Central Florida lately thats why they were all in one room, unless the bathroom was broken there would be no need to leave that room to relieve yourself.

JMO

Would one be able to see the light in the laundry room from the BR? JMO

[i_pickle]

From the placement of the back door on the trailer I think the master bedroom that they were in is on the left hand side of the house looking from the front (the 2nd bathroom is usually in the master bedroom). Since it had been cold at night in North Central Florida lately thats why they were all in one room, unless the bathroom was broken there would be no need to leave that room to relieve yourself.

JMOGood point, assuming they have a second bathroom in the MB.

[bluwaters]

Kudos to the Millers, owners of The Bingo Palace, and the community for their support of the Haliegh's family.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131282&provider=top

The Millers said they also planned on donating $1000 of their own money in addition to the proceeds from the bingo games which adds up to $3000. The couple said they will give the proceeds of Friday, Saturday, and Sunday's games.

The Bingo Palace says they also have 14 other charities they donate to.

Friday night's donations totaled up to $1721.

It looks fun too!
I might try to go tomorrow night.
There are so many many good people in that area.
I do think that people in the country are much more likely to take care of one another.
They still know what it means to be neighbors.
:thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

And if you don't have a dog, put up a Beware Of Dog sign anyway....:smile:

Yep! :smile:

Someone above had mentioned leaving a light on in the house....intruders think someone is home. That's an excellent suggestion, and also always leave an outside light on at night. Intruders look for DARKNESS.

[WillowInFlight]

Which would make me think, with little ones in the house I sure would leave a light on to guide their way to the bathroom if they got up.

[kitty1182]

Motion lights are a good deterrent too. Some people can't own dogs for various reasons.


My mom lives next door, I can see the side and back of her house, but not all the front and the other side, so I have a beware of dog sign on the sides I can't see....No one would know if she had a dog or not, so it might make one think twice before breaking in.....

[Dunlurken]

Yep! :smile:

Someone above had mentioned leaving a light on in the house....intruders think someone is home. That's an excellent suggestion, and also always leave an outside light on at night. Intruders look for DARKNESS.

Misty said she noticed the light on though. After all, she's only 17. :confused:

[CanCan]

Regarding Ron & Misti sleeping in a tent..............maybe Ron is ISOLATING Misti, so she won't crack and spill the beans?

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Which would make me think, with little ones in the house I sure would leave a light on to guide their way to the bathroom if they got up.

Not me. If they are afraid of the dark... it's a good thing. Let them call for me and I will take them to the bathroom. But I'm older and wiser than a 17 year old. JMO.

[Armchairdet]

Yep! :smile:

Someone above had mentioned leaving a light on in the house....intruders think someone is home. That's an excellent suggestion, and also always leave an outside light on at night. Intruders look for DARKNESS.

Motion lights are great imo. In fact if I were a landlord I would certainly install them or allow my tenants to. As far as a dog goes, they may have felt they could not afford one, or children had allergies, or perhaps it was forbiden. I would call not having an indoor dog for any of those reasons extremely responsible on their part. I have been in areas where dogs are chained outside for protection or whatever reason. Not only can they not protect you, you get use to hearing them bark and ignore them, neighbors get mad, dog has a less than
ideal life.

[WillowInFlight]

Regarding Ron & Misti sleeping in a tent..............maybe Ron is ISOLATING Misti, so she won't crack and spill the beans?

jmo

I would think if LE wanted to question her in private, they aren't going to let Ronald stop them.

[kitty1182]

Yep! :smile:

Someone above had mentioned leaving a light on in the house....intruders think someone is home. That's an excellent suggestion, and also always leave an outside light on at night. Intruders look for DARKNESS.

We have a yard light, so does my mom next door, but it's still dark on the side of her house I can't see...I have a big beware of dog sign on the part of her house I can't see.....
Mom leaves a small kitchen light on all night..When I look out my kitchen window, I see the porch going to her kitchen and all the back of her house....I leave a light on when hubby works 3rd and I have a dog..lol

[5boxersmom]

Thanks Boxer, took me awhile to write my post so we both have the same idea on the set up of the home.

Here is a floor plan that I think is very close to the Cummings home. If you notice there is a door that goes from the laundry room to the Master Bath. I wonder if their home was like this? Hmmm

http://www.topproducerwebsite.com/users/15728/images/2852-328.jpg

[Dunlurken]

I would assume there is nothing new on the search. JMO.

[CanCan]

I am also in total agreement here.
Misty is a minor and a victim, IMO.
I do that think she is troubled.
Maybe my choice of words was inaccurate.
She is in a world of trouble, and was long before Haleigh disappeared.
She does not strike me as being a violent person, from what little I've seen.

:thumbup: Yep - what she said.

[OneUp]

I may be wrong...didn't Crystal (Mom) have something about taking care of her big kid Chad on her Myspace ...is Chad her fiance or an unknown? My question is because of the missing SO named Chad. Anyone know Mom's fiance's name?
It may well be coincidence, but IIRC, his name was Chad.
I got away from her MS quickly tho...she irritated me for reasons that don't reflect on the case AFAIK.
JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Photo courtesy of Trailblazer on Help Find The Missing Board:



http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg


Looks like a double wide to me.

[i_pickle]

(I'm lucky to have her) :smile:

Praying this child will be found safe and sound, soon!!!!!!Me Too!!

Have a great Valetines Day everyone! :seeya:

[Dunlurken]

Photo courtesy of Trailblazer on Help Find The Missing Board:



http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg


Looks like a double wide to me.

Agree, it's a double wide. Is the exact photo of their house? Where's the back door? Or is it a side door? JMO.

ETA: If you saw the photos of the home, there are steps leading up to a screened in porch. JMO.

[CanCan]

One thing that could point to innocense - no one has lawyered up yet. JMO

Maybe they can't afford a lawyer.

jmo

[?noanswer]

Regarding Ron & Misti sleeping in a tent..............maybe Ron is ISOLATING Misti, so she won't crack and spill the beans?

jmo

I'm beginning to wonder if they are "sleeping" in the tent. I read somewhere that both families had tents set up. Maybe there are all trying to stay close in case there is some information.

Another thing is the longer the time goes by and nothing is found close to the home, the more it eleminates Ron & Misti as suspects. Unless they did something before he went to work, they would not have had time to go very far. JMO

[desmom]

I think it is wonderful The Bingo Palace volunteered a portion of their proceeds and $1,000 out of their own pocket to help the family.

I want to give Kudos to Browning Pearce Elementary School for their support of the family also. They've organized a donation drive, bringing water, snacks, a hot meal and incidentals. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131213&catid=295

[jammies]

And if you don't have a dog, put up a Beware Of Dog sign anyway....:smile:



Yes yes yes! And put an "alarm" sign by your front door even if you don't have one!

[SavannahStar]

All of this conversation just made me realize that I ought to be much more worried than I am (which is not at all).....:o I was left alone at night to babysit my siblings - started with three and worked up to seven - from the time I was ten, and babysat for everybody in the neighborhood even well into the night from 13 on. What I'm saying is, I don't think a 17 year old left at night in a familiar place is necessarily so unusual and there's no reason to assume that she minded being alone.


Oh I totally agree with that. I guess we're just sayin that some of those precautions may have kept an intruder out. I've really read nothing to indicate she was frightened of her situation there.

[gaelicpeas]

Looking at the pics of the doublewide. Here is how I see the layout. The side door or backdoor, as they call it, would come into a laundry room that would then go in to the kitchen. Then from the kitchen a dining room then the living room would be in front of the house with the front door. The master bedroom would be to the left of the living room if you are looking at the front of the house. Behind the MB is the kitchen. Master Bathroom seems to be on the outside wall per the skylight, so the laundry room is behind the Master Bath. So there would be a wall separating them.

2 bedrooms and a bath on the other side of dining and living room.


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088


So an intruder would have come in the side door into the laundry room, walk through the kitchen, then dining room, make a right into living room and then in to the Master Bedroom.

This is for who ever was asking about the floor plan.IMO, the rear door is on the rear of the house, and that is a window on the side of the house. The rear door is about 6' to the right of the rear window - kind of hard to see because it is the same color as the house. But you can see a handrail leading off to the right of that back door, and they said they had a handicapped ramp back there. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Agree, it's a double wide. Is the exact photo of their house? Where's the back door? Or is it a side door? JMO.

ETA: If you saw the photos of the home, there are steps leading up to a screened in porch. JMO.

Yes that's it. The back door referred to is actually that side door.

[Dunlurken]

Oh I totally agree with that. I guess we're just sayin that some of those precautions may have kept an intruder out. I've really read nothing to indicate she was frightened of her situation there.

If you are talking about Misty.... she's 17. Doesn't have enough sense to be frightened of anything. JMO.

[breeze53]

I'm beginning to wonder if they are "sleeping" in the tent. I read somewhere that both families had tents set up. Maybe there are all trying to stay close in case there is some information.

Another thing is the longer the time goes by and nothing is found close to the home, the more it eleminates Ron & Misti as suspects. Unless they did something before he went to work, they would not have had time to go very far. JMO


How long is it going to tske LE to get done going threw there home it's been 5 days now.

[Armchairdet]

IMO many doublewides have two bathrooms. I have no link to prove theirs did. But a search for a home on a realty site will certainly show that it is not unusual for a double wide to have such a feature. IMO

[Dunlurken]

How long is it going to tske LE to get done going threw there home it's been 5 days now.

Why do they have to sleep in a tent? :confused:

[adair]

When my hubby is working late, and expect him to get home while its dark, i always leave the kitchen lights on. That way, I am hoping that he wont stumble/crash into something.......But that is the way its always been at our home?

[kitty1182]

Photo courtesy of Trailblazer on Help Find The Missing Board:



http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg


Looks like a double wide to me.

Me too sissy.....I've never seen a single wide that wide..lol

[SavannahStar]

If you are talking about Misty.... she's 17. Doesn't have enough sense to be frightened of anything. JMO.

Hmmmmmm. Don't think I agree with that, Dunnie. :thumbdown:

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, the rear door is on the rear of the house, and that is a window on the side of the house. The rear door is about 6' to the right of the rear window - kind of hard to see because it is the same color as the house. But you can see a handrail leading off to the right of that back door, and they said they had a handicapped ramp back there. JMO

I enlarged it and I still can't tell, it could be a bathroom window I'm looking at, I don't see a ramp.

[CanCan]

been busy ( nearly a two Y.O, yah know!).
I'll get bashed for sure, but I'm leaving my little one with her 17 y.o. sister to go away overnight for my anniversary. True, my mother lives on the same block, but I'm trusting HER...not my mom or G-Mom would be here. I watched kids overnight in my home from 16 y.o. on ) lived on my own before 18). I don't actually have a problem with Misty watching the kids...the shacking up bothers me personally ALOT, but I've worked with plenty of families that saw that as normal....some religious groups marry girls off to even older men at even younger ages...some parents feel she'll sneak off anyway, and at least they "know she's safe'. It's illegal, but it's also pretty common in some groups.
Yeah, I agree that she wasn't brought up the way I think she should have been...otherwise she'd be at home and in school....but her parents ( AFAIK) aren't responsible for Haleigh being missing either.
The biggest impact I see her age having on this case are her reactions upon findnig Haleigh was missing, and someone outside seeing her as an easy target to abduct from/ manipulate into letting them close enough to set up the kidnapping.
JMO.

:smile: No bashing from me. It's the shacking up that really bothers me a lot, too.

I don't mind Misti watching the kids........just not 24/7......she probably is quite responsible..............but she's just a kid herself........she needs to be able to be a teenager sometimes.

I agree that Misti was an easy target * to abduct from * or easy to manipulate in a kidnapping or murder cover-up scheme.

jmo

[?noanswer]

How long is it going to tske LE to get done going threw there home it's been 5 days now.


They may have finished by now. I have not seen anything one way or the other. JMO

[desmom]

I would assume there is nothing new on the search. JMO.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom reporting The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office plans to give a news briefing at 4 p.m.

[5boxersmom]

Yes that's it. The back door referred to is actually that side door.


Yes, A side door. There is no door in the back wall of the house.

[Dunlurken]

When my hubby is working late, and expect him to get home while its dark, i always leave the kitchen lights on. That way, I am hoping that he wont stumble/crash into something.......But that is the way its always been at our home?

Do you live in a double wide? Are you 17? I think I know the answer to that one. JMO.

[mustangtoni]

Here is a floor plan that I think is very close to the Cummings home. If you notice there is a door that goes from the laundry room to the Master Bath. I wonder if their home was like this? Hmmm

http://www.topproducerwebsite.com/users/15728/images/2852-328.jpg

Looks like what I think the layout is too....Thanks 5boxersmom

so my question is, she said she walked into the living and saw the light on in the kitchen...saw the back door open...ran back to the bedroom and noticed Haleigh missing...

So why didn't she use the master bathroom to go to the bathroom..

[breeze53]

If you are talking about Misty.... she's 17. Doesn't have enough sense to be frightened of anything. JMO.

Unlike you I am not going to bash this girl because of her age.None of us has lived in this girls shoes we don't know if she was afraid or not, and she may have forgotten she even turned the light on after all this. Give this girl a break until we find out different.

[kitty1182]

Yes yes yes! And put an "alarm" sign by your front door even if you don't have one!

Yep.........:smile:

[WillowInFlight]

Do you live in a double wide? Are you 17? I think I know the answer to that one. JMO.

Most of us have gotten past the age thing, that was so yesterday. Maybe you might want to start a thread on the morals and expectations of what you consider for a 17 year old.

[Dunlurken]

Unlike you I am not going to bash this girl because of her age.None of us has lived in this girls shoes we don't know if she was afraid or not, and she may have forgotten she even turned the light on after all this. Give this girl a break until we find out different.

Where's my violin? JMO. She was there. She was in charge. Haleigh is gone. So I refuse to give her a break. JMO.

[OneUp]

Looks like what I think the layout is too....Thanks 5boxersmom

so my question is, she said she walked into the living and saw the light on in the kitchen...saw the back door open...ran back to the bedroom and noticed Haleigh missing...

So why didn't she use the master bathroom to go to the bathroom..
If it's similar to my DH trailer...she maybe didn't want to wake the kids with the door/light/fan.
When I stayed over, he always woke me up if he got up at night. The door was flimsy and the fan was LOUD.
JMO
I'm trying to stick close by waiting on the PC too.

[jammies]

Yep! :smile:

Someone above had mentioned leaving a light on in the house....intruders think someone is home. That's an excellent suggestion, and also always leave an outside light on at night. Intruders look for DARKNESS.


Also, keep your bushes trimmed low so no one can hide. Outdoor lighting isn't very expensive and will deter intruders also.

[CANDYKISSES]

I would think if LE wanted to question her in private, they aren't going to let Ronald stop them.

Ditto Willow! :thumbup:

[TeenyNRossi]

Can someone link bio mom my space, please. I notice someone has posted a link to the G/F. Tia

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield Here Ya go!

[Dunlurken]

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield Here Ya go!
This is the grandmother's myspace? :confused:

[TeenyNRossi]

This is the grandmother's myspace? :confused:

Mothers MS

[SavannahStar]

Where's my violin? JMO. She was there. She was in charge. Haleigh is gone. So I refuse to give her a break. JMO.


Holy cow! And she has to live with that the rest of her life........:sad:

Ya know, Dunnie, it's quite possible an intruder came in and got Haleigh and she's laying in a ditch murdered. And it could be that it happened despite the fact Misty DID NOTHING AT ALL WRONG!

[Dunlurken]

Mothers MS

Thanks. I thought someone asked for the grand mother's myspace account. Puts a whole different twist on things. JMO.

[Mimi428]

Agree, it's a double wide. Is the exact photo of their house? Where's the back door? Or is it a side door? JMO.

ETA: If you saw the photos of the home, there are steps leading up to a screened in porch. JMO.


I guess we all see things differently. I looked at the small car in that picture & compared the length of the car to the width of the house & decided the house was a single-wide. LOL!

I'm sure we'll find out every tiny detail soon enough.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

:biggrin:

I'd stake my life on it. http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/polly7/?action=view&current=1.jpg

Possibly the newer ones do all have two bathrooms now (I hope they do), but mine didn't. (Don't mind the 'devil-orange' colour, I think after I painted my neighbour crossed herself every time she walked by).

I wouldn't notice the kitchen light on in the kitchen from my bedroom because they were at opposite ends and not until I went out into the hall. Not trying to be argumentative, but maybe theirs is similar .... maybe not.....

That's very attractive!

[jammies]

Holy cow! And she has to live with that the rest of her life........:sad:

Ya know, Dunnie, it's quite possible an intruder came in and got Haleigh and she's laying in a ditch murdered. And it could be that it happened despite the fact Misty DID NOTHING AT ALL WRONG!


And even if she DID leave the door unlocked or something else unintentional, she still deserves a break as she is young and not experienced.

What a mess, eh? Just pray someone has her and she's alive.

[HI_CYCLE]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...w__soggy_start


In December of 2005, a judge declared Cummings the father of both children, gave him primary custody, and ordered the mother to pay child support.
The legal situation continued through November 2007


On Tuesday, the day Haleigh's absence was reported, the docket indicates a motion for contempt of court was filed, but it does not indicate who filed the motion or against whom it was filed.
You will find this info at the bottom of the page..

I would like to get some opinions of posters about this court hearing. Was it filed the day Haleigh went missing or were they due in court on Tuesday?

[breeze53]

This is the grandmother's myspace? :confused:



I thought this was the mothers myspace:shrug:
Does grandma have one?

[desmom]

It is a double-wide, since it appears that there is only 1 exhaust fan on the roof it could have only 1 bathroom.

JMO

Thanks. 1 exhaust = 1 bathroom.

[5boxersmom]

:biggrin:

I'd stake my life on it. http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/polly7/?action=view&current=1.jpg

Possibly the newer ones do all have two bathrooms now (I hope they do), but mine didn't. (Don't mind the 'devil-orange' colour, I think after I painted my neighbour crossed herself every time she walked by).

I wouldn't notice the kitchen light on in the kitchen from my bedroom because they were at opposite ends and not until I went out into the hall. Not trying to be argumentative, but maybe theirs is similar .... maybe not.....

My uncle had one like yours. It only had one bath also. But looking at the Cumming's home I would bet it has two. It is a "newer" home. You can tell by the siding. It is vinyl. I think they started using the vinyl siding in the late 80's or early 90s.

You can also tell it is a double wide by the roof line for the ones asking if it was a single. :biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

I would like to get some opinions of posters about this court hearing. Was it filed the day Haleigh went missing or were they due in court on Tuesday?

Can't access the site. IIRC, the whole custody battle, etc..... when the Mom was supposedly served papers, she claims she never got them, so didn't appear in court. Thus, the dad got custody of both kids. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I was hoping she was banned since I havent seen her since the wee hours


Out of curiosity I checked the banned list and there she is.

[Dunlurken]

This might be it

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639
So Crystal has three children. One is 9 months old. Interesting.

[CANDYKISSES]

I would like to get some opinions of posters about this court hearing. Was it filed the day Haleigh went missing or were they due in court on Tuesday?

Have you tried writing to a local reporting covering this case? They probably have more access than we currently do IMO.:thumbup:

[ortiga]

I would like to get some opinions of posters about this court hearing. Was it filed the day Haleigh went missing or were they due in court on Tuesday?


We were talking about that this a.m., but there doesn't seem to be enough info.....it doesn't even really say that it has anything to do with Ron or Crystal. I think we might have to wait until we get more news next week. My initial thought was that if it had been filed the day before she went missing, and if it had been filed by Ron, it might show motive that MAYBE the mother and her boyfriend may have done something to derail the court hearing......someone else mentioned this yesterday....maybe the child was kidnapped to help get custody back to the mother, to make the father look bad.

That maybe the girl would show up in some mall, and Ron would look like a terrible father.

And I remember what the sheriff or spokesman said....it's still an abduction if she walked out and was picked up later by someone. (I read that to mean if someone entered the house, beckoned her out, then picked her up and walked away....(someone she knew, of course......)

Now I sound like a broken record, but do we know if the mother's boyfriend has voiced an opinion on whether or not he even wants 3 kids around......???

[march27]

Okay here goes:

I moved out on my own when I was 16, moved in with my NOW husband when I was 17 and he was 22. We were both raised in upper middle class families and we both had our educations. I am NOW 50 with two sons!

I always befriended people older than me because I did not like people my own age, they were too immature for me!

We own our own home and business and live in an Upper Middle Class neighbourhood.

I have relatives involved in British Royalty and to them, I am "Low" Class.

To judge people for what they do because of their age or their education or their "standard" of living is deplorable!!!

It is ridiculous to do so, the only important thing here is finding that little girl and finding out who took her and then making them pay for it.

The comments made on the past threads just blow me away!!!

A voice of reason, thanks for the post!

[commonguymd]

Someone said Kidfinders was asked to leave. Any confirmation of that?

That would be great, as their new fundraising spokesperson is George.

[5boxersmom]

That makes sense. I hadn't considered the siding, and it does look a lot newer style.

My sister use to sell them and I would sometimes help her stage them with furniture.

They are really nice homes.

I think there is an exhaust fan on the other side of the furnace vent. Which would mean two baths.

[desmom]

I would like to get some opinions of posters about this court hearing. Was it filed the day Haleigh went missing or were they due in court on Tuesday?

Because it says "the docket indicates a motion for contempt of court was filed" I will take a guess and say it was the day it was filed.

jmo

[Tracian]

Out of curiosity I checked the banned list and there she is.


What banned list? TIA

[CanCan]

Unlike you I am not going to bash this girl because of her age.None of us has lived in this girls shoes we don't know if she was afraid or not, and she may have forgotten she even turned the light on after all this. Give this girl a break until we find out different.

If I understand Dunnie correctly.........she is referring to ALL teens.........they *know everything* and are *fearless*. :rolleyes:

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Out of curiosity I checked the banned list and there she is.

Maybe that will serve as a lesson for those that want to blame and bash.

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks. 1 exhaust = 1 bathroom.

I don't think an exhaust is required if there's a window in the bathroom. Maybe the other bathroom has a window?

[kitty1182]

I did the same thing! Only it was in 1991 and I was 29. We lived on a frontage road and then there was a ditch with a 4 lane highway. A car was speeding down the highway and crossed over into the wrong lanes and flew into our ditch and hit a tree in our front yard! I freaked! Couldnt think at all and called 411 to get the 911 number! :confused:

LOL....I just couldn't think straight at the time....

[crymeariver2006]

Someone said Kidfinders was asked to leave. Any confirmation of that?

That would be great, as their new fundraising spokesperson is George.

That and they've never found a "kid".

IMO

[5boxersmom]

I don't think an exhaust is required if there's a window in the bathroom. Maybe the other bathroom has a window?

I think you are correct. I never thought about a window. :thumbsup:

[crymeariver2006]

We were talking about that this a.m., but there doesn't seem to be enough info.....it doesn't even really say that it has anything to do with Ron or Crystal. I think we might have to wait until we get more news next week. My initial thought was that if it had been filed the day before she went missing, and if it had been filed by Ron, it might show motive that MAYBE the mother and her boyfriend may have done something to derail the court hearing......someone else mentioned this yesterday....maybe the child was kidnapped to help get custody back to the mother, to make the father look bad.

That maybe the girl would show up in some mall, and Ron would look like a terrible father.

And I remember what the sheriff or spokesman said....it's still an abduction if she walked out and was picked up later by someone. (I read that to mean if someone entered the house, beckoned her out, then picked her up and walked away....(someone she knew, of course......)

Now I sound like a broken record, but do we know if the mother's boyfriend has voiced an opinion on whether or not he even wants 3 kids around......???

There was a clip of the mother's boyfriend (Chad), I believe it was on NG, last night. I don't know when it was filmed, but he was definitely on the emotional side.

[commonguymd]

That and they've never found a "kid".

IMO

There is a little boy featured on NG several times and to my knowledge kidfinders didn't find it profitable to go there but they found this situation stimulating I guess.

I find they and their (new) fundraising spokesperson were attempting to use this tragedy for profit motives.

Good move if the letter writing campaigns got them kicked out of dealing with this one.

[CanCan]

I would think if LE wanted to question her in private, they aren't going to let Ronald stop them.

Errr.....how about spilling the beans to family....friends.....neighbors.....air conditioner repairmen.............???

jmo

[SavannahStar]

What banned list? TIA


Go to the front page of IS Forums. At the bottom click on "View Forum Leaders". After the forum leaders' list, the banned people are listed.

I learned that from another poster not that long ago. Very interesting!

[Tracian]

Go to the front page of IS Forums. At the bottom click on "View Forum Leaders". After the forum leaders' list, the banned people are listed.

I learned that from another poster not that long ago. Very interesting!


Thank you :biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

Oh that would just make my DAY! :thumbsup: :w00t: (In what I think otherwise wont have good news.)

Or Kathi Belich drove up and gave him the signal that she "had her eye on him" and it spooked him so bad he left willingly.

:laugh:

[?noanswer]

I KNOW, I KNOW. But you know what? I don't care who I bash or blame. I want to know where this child is. If someone, ANYONE, is responsible..... you are correct, they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

bottom line. Don't care. I want to know what happened to Haleigh. JMO.

You and a whole buncha other people do too. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I usually check it every day. Like the obituaries; to see if I'm on it! :laugh:


:lol: You're on a roll today, Ms. Redux! :wink:

[HI_CYCLE]

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield Here Ya go!Thanks Teeny, can`t get it to load tho. It keeps freezing my pc. maybe to many trying to get it. again, Thanks.

[Mimi428]

this is definitely a doublewide- there is a seam down the middle of the roof because the home is transported in two sections.

Thanks! Now that I have looked at Rhiannon's pix, I realize I was totally offbase. Big difference between the two & I had not been thinking about the seam aspect.

OK, singlewide it is.

[ortiga]

There was a clip of the mother's boyfriend (Chad), I believe it was on NG, last night. I don't know when it was filmed, but he was definitely on the emotional side.

thanks I'll go find it on youtube

Do we know anything about the stepfather of the mother? Stepfather of Crystal? Has he shown up with her mother in any interviews? Have they been married long?

[Dunlurken]

Thank you :biggrin:

Wow, I never knew that either. I see my old nic there. :crying:

[Dunlurken]

You and a whole buncha other people do too. JMO

Would appear as though we are being railroaded about things aren't important. Do we have any forensics, or did this child just vanish? Has it been determined which bedroom was she actually in? Misty at first says both children were with her, then we hear differently. JMO.

[TeenyNRossi]

Thanks Teeny, can`t get it to load tho. It keeps freezing my pc. maybe to many trying to get it. again, Thanks.

LOL it is graphic's intensive, could be slow to load...

[kitty1182]

Would appear as though we are being railroaded about things aren't important. Do we have any forensics, or did this child just vanish? Has it been determined which bedroom was she actually in? Misty at first says both children were with her, then we hear differently. JMO.

Suppose to be a PC at 4pm I think...

[desmom]

Banner at the top of the page at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/14/amber_alert_new_clues_bring_new_hope_in_haleigh_se arch.html

AMBER ALERT: Watch today's news conference on the ongoing search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings LIVE at 4 p.m. on News 13.

[BorderCollieMom]

There was a clip of the mother's boyfriend (Chad), I believe it was on NG, last night. I don't know when it was filmed, but he was definitely on the emotional side.

agree. let me see if i can get this right. bio-grandma is married to Chads bio father ?

the SO is NOT the same "missing" SO named Chad.

Fiance Chad "engaged" to Haleighs bio-mother.

[Regina.Lampert]

I didn't see this post until March posted in response to it. Good point, IMO. This is why I'm not TOO quick to judge others. You know to some people's perspective, every one of us on here are probably seen as some form of bottom-feeding scum-suckers. Perspective CAN be our friend, lol.


Are you sweet talking us cuz it's Valentines? :lol:

Don't forget everyone, the press conference is coming up at 4:00 p.m.

[Armchairdet]

Banner at the top of the page at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/14/amber_alert_new_clues_bring_new_hope_in_haleigh_se arch.html

AMBER ALERT: Watch today's news conference on the ongoing search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings LIVE at 4 p.m. on News 13.


'On the ongoing search'. I imagine it is just an update, with nothing much to say. If it were good news it would be out by now. The same with very bad news. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

Errr.....how about spilling the beans to family....friends.....neighbors.....air conditioner repairmen.............???

jmo

As of right now I don't think she has anything to spill, that's not saying I won't change my mind as more info and evidence comes in.

[Jack]

I was hoping she was banned since I havent seen her since the wee hours


lol. I wouldn't go so far as to wish her banned, but last night I was sure hoping she would get "hold of herself" for the sake of others on the board trying to converse.

[Dunlurken]

Suppose to be a PC at 4pm I think...

I'll try and watch. Do we know what channel, etc. Is there a live link? TIA.

[SavannahStar]

'On the ongoing search'. I imagine it is just an update, with nothing much to say. If it were good news it would be out by now. The same with very bad news. IMO

I think so too. And I'll miss it because I have to go out for a bit. Will catch up on the news (if any) later.

[ttcRider]

I didn't see this post until March posted in response to it. Good point, IMO. This is why I'm not TOO quick to judge others. You know to some people's perspective, every one of us on here are probably seen as some form of bottom-feeding scum-suckers. Perspective CAN be our friend, lol.

I KNEW you had a warm and fuzzy side. :blush:

[crymeariver2006]

agree. let me see if i can get this right. bio-grandma is married to Chads bio father ?

the SO is NOT the same "missing" SO named Chad.

Fiance Chad "engaged" to Haleighs bio-mother.

Right, they are not the same "Chad".

Chad the fiance is NOT, I REPEAT NOT, the missing SO!

[Armchairdet]

Uh Oh. That's not good. :ohmy:

But that has been updated since Haleigh went missing. Haleighs dad said pretty much that, so perhaps it is a warning in the event the person who took her is reading.

[HI_CYCLE]

LOL it is graphic's intensive, could be slow to load...
Oh.... I`ll try again.:laugh:

[kitty1182]

I'll try and watch. Do we know what channel, etc. Is there a live link? TIA.

at very top of this page.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/14/amber_alert_new_clues_bring_new_hope_in_haleigh_se arch.html

[Armchairdet]

I think so too. And I'll miss it because I have to go out for a bit. Will catch up on the news (if any) later.

Enjoy your day, some of us will be here when you get back I imagine.

[Dunlurken]

I think so too. And I'll miss it because I have to go out for a bit. Will catch up on the news (if any) later.

She's gone. Just like so many others before her. That's what I get so angry about. Why can't people protect these small children?

[Dunlurken]

at very top of this page.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/14/amber_alert_new_clues_bring_new_hope_in_haleigh_se arch.html

Thanks. I'll book mark the link. JMO. Is it on the links page? Which I am so often referred to. LOL.

[desmom]

She's gone. Just like so many others before her. That's what I get so angry about. Why can't people protect these small children?

In a perfect world they could, but this is not a perfect world.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

agree. let me see if i can get this right. bio-grandma is married to Chads bio father ?

the SO is NOT the same "missing" SO named Chad.

Fiance Chad "engaged" to Haleighs bio-mother.

Kind of like Misty is the wife? JMO. I realize 911 assumed that, but she didn't say no. I'm the girlfriend.

[TeenyNRossi]

Right, they are not the same "Chad".

Chad the fiance is NOT, I REPEAT NOT, the missing SO!


Thanks, I had asked upthread what the fiance's name was. Hopefully I didn't confuse the issue...

[Armchairdet]

Has it been determined whether or not the missing SO is considered a danger to children? I am not trying to be funny or anything. I mean there are different things that get a person to have to register as a SO. Different crimes that may not involve children. IMO

TIA

[Dunlurken]

In a perfect world they could, but this is not a perfect world.

jmo

I know. Scares the crap out of you doesn't it. I know it does me. JMO.

Could it happen to anyone of us? Yep, Elizabeth Smart, Polly Klass, Jessica Lunsford. I say they need to change the laws on predators. JMO. One strike, you are sent to another island. None of this BS about putting them back into society.

[ortiga]

Has it been determined whether or not the missing SO is considered a danger to children? I am not trying to be funny or anything. I mean there are different things that get a person to have to register as a SO. Different crimes that may not involve children. IMO

TIA

It's mentioned on the same link that says he's missing, and it did involve children under 12, IIRC

[jammies]

NTSB having a live news conference. FOX is covering that instead of Haleigh.

[Armchairdet]

It's mentioned on the same link that says he's missing, and it did involve children under 12, IIRC

Thank you. I'm sorry I should have gone and looked. I am trying to multi task, and I am not very good at it.

[TeenyNRossi]

Has it been determined whether or not the missing SO is considered a danger to children? I am not trying to be funny or anything. I mean there are different things that get a person to have to register as a SO. Different crimes that may not involve children. IMO

TIA


According to the Florida Department of Corrections Web site, Reynolds was sentenced in Putnam County to seven years in prison for armed burglary and lewd and lascivious molestation of a child younger than 12. The offense date was Sept. 3, 2002.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141003/1402/NEWS?Title=Sexual_predator_missing