Saturday Feb 14 - # 2

[?noanswer]

Why is everyone sleeping in the same room? From what I understand there is a queen size bed and a twin bed in the bedroom they were in that night. I am not thinking anything sick- this house has more than one bedroom- but the only thing I can come up with is that dad may have been paranoid about something with his kids so he made sure they were all in the same room. Deadbolt, gun, routinely checking the locks, and kids sleeping close. Any thoughts? IMO

I'm wondering it this is all the beds they had. A reporter said it was just mattresses on the floor, not even a box spring. I thought trailers came with furniture, but maybe the furniture in this one was worn out. As in all cases, there is lots of information we don't know, so we start wondering why things are and thinking they are complex. Sometimes the answer is simple and has no bearing on anything that happened. JMO

[aubrey04]

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?

She was barely 13 when she got pregnant too and if Ronald's birthdate is 10/29/83, that means that he was 19 years old, almost 20 years old. So he got a 13 year old pregnant when he was 19 years old. Now he is 25 years old and is dating a 17 year old. He was 24 and she was 16 when they first started dating.

Once again - I am surprised he isn't on the RSO list.

[OneUp]

Why is everyone sleeping in the same room? From what I understand there is a queen size bed and a twin bed in the bedroom they were in that night. I am not thinking anything sick- this house has more than one bedroom- but the only thing I can come up with is that dad may have been paranoid about something with his kids so he made sure they were all in the same room. Deadbolt, gun, routinely checking the locks, and kids sleeping close. Any thoughts? IMO
He seems a little Hyper-vigilant to me as well. I *think* they may have had a scare or knew a RSO in some way before...maybe even caught someone interfereing with Haleigh at some time. MANY familes don't report. Some because they fear being scrutinized and losing their kids for failing to protect (erroneously, BTW)...somer because of shame or religous reasons of privacy and want they are ok letting their kids talk to "outsiders" about, some because the offender is family or is pretty young.
I found him overprotective and a little paranoid about an abduction. He has seemed firm in that belief since the start....maybe he just checked online and saw how many RSO's lived nearby. Maybe he caught one staring at his kids or heard rumors.
My thought shere are more a "hunch" than anything solid.
JMO.

[breeze53]

Tim Miller Spends 2 1/2 Hours With Ron

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom


Very sad i read that and it seems like there all giving up.

[TeenyNRossi]

Joinin' in for a short time, gettin sleepy due to Valentines Day vino.. I'm glad Tim spent time with Ron & very happy for Tim that he appears to have a cooperative family that understands the outcome may not be good...I hope that the outcome is a happy one in this case...

[WillowInFlight]

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?

Which means she is only 2 years older than Misti? :confused:

[aubrey04]

14 yrs old. Both born in August.

I wonder if they were legally married. If so, parent/guardian would have had to have signed for her to get married I would imagine. Without looking up law in whatever state they were married in.

She was still 13 years old when she had Haleigh. Haleigh was born on 8/16/03 and Crystal didn't turn 14 until 8/30/89.

[Calla]

I know and I have no problem with it except that this seems to be a permanent situation. If they put another bed in there this must be the normal place for them to sleep. The kids have slept with me many a night when they were young but I didn't move there bed in the room with me. IMO

I did

A youth bed... because I needed room for my feet and it was the only way to get my bed back!

[?noanswer]

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?

Just more incorrect information or a typo. Crystal is now 23 years old. She was 18/19 when Haleigh was born. JMO

[OneUp]

I hadn't thought of it that way since I don't see him as a good actor, but you do have a point! I found his language toward the 911 operator despicable, but also know it's common for a lot of people to use it in ordinary conversation. What I did notice in the 911 call was the operator telling Misty to calm him down before LE got there. I do think there's a good chance he has a volitile temper but he also was at work when Haleigh supposedly went missing. :shrug: MOO
Boy am I glad no one here has access to the 911 call I made. This is a tough crowd.
I don't curse much ( more in writing than aloud) and have lots of "alternative" words for letting it go, I despise cursing in general and people that fling ugly language around in coversation...but I spoke a streak on that call...yelled at the woman that answered ( dispatch here), yelled at the older kids, REALLY yelled at my ex and SLAPPED him for not setting the alarm when he got to the house ( he HAD set it, the intruder was "family" and knew our code).
I think anyone who "knows" me here knows that is FAR from my normal demenaor...but I did it. It was pretty bad, and worse, my ex LAUGHED at me later over it for years and years. imagine laughing at how a mother in that pain acted!...you can see why the "ex" part of this story.
JMO.

[Calla]

She was barely 13 when she got pregnant too and if Ronald's birthdate is 10/29/83, that means that he was 19 years old, almost 20 years old. So he got a 13 year old pregnant when he was 19 years old. Now he is 25 years old and is dating a 17 year old. He was 24 and she was 16 when they first started dating.

Once again - I am surprised he isn't on the RSO list.

I read from another poster that the dob on mom you are referring to was incorrect and that the mother is actually much closer to his age.

I dunno tho

[sunstar]

Crystal's MySpace page has her in her 20's (23?), and a couple of posters have said she gave the same age in an interview.

The document that gives her birthyear as '89 also has Haleigh's sex listed as male.
A typo makes a lot more sense. MOO

[Pat]

She was still 13 years old when she had Haleigh. Haleigh was born on 8/16/03 and Crystal didn't turn 14 until 8/30/89.

We need more than that one document everyone is using for 'proof' of Crystal's age. That same document lists Haleigh's sex as MALE!

Crystal says she is 23.

Does anyone know if there is another official document out there with Crystal's age listed?

[OneUp]

It didn't say it was a lawyer...just that she had been advised. Could have been LE or someone with some kind of standing advising them all to avoid the media.

Why?

I would tend to believe it is because every word, gesture and look is being picked over, discussed, taken out of context or misreported. These people are under a microscope and having their lives examined and criticised when, as far as anyone knows at this point, the ONLY thing they are 'guilty' of is having a 5 year old go missing. As far as we know, they are the victims but are being treated as if they are the criminals. IMO, it was good advice.

All of this so reminds me of what happened to Mark Lundsford and his parents on the CourtTV board. I couldn't be a part of it and left before they ever found Jessie. I've often wondered how many people who wrote such horrible things ever admitted they were wrong and apologized.Too true...it could also be a family member who told her she was looking bad & saying too much ( her parents Still have SOME input here!), or LE maybe asked her not to tell the media much as they are keeping some things under wraps and for her it was easier to clam up than recall what to say/what not to say.
JMO

[ttcRider]

How isolated is their trailer? How far away are their nearest neighbor?
The reason I ask is because I wouldnt want to be sleeping alone at night if my hubby was off to work, maybe thats why the kids slept in their room with her?
I watched back to back episodes of Friday the 13th last night :scared:

[sunstar]

Boy am I glad no one here has access to the 911 call I made. This is a tough crowd.
I don't curse much ( more in writing than aloud) and have lots of "alternative" words for letting it go, I despise cursing in general and people that fling ugly language around in coversation...but I spoke a streak on that call...yelled at the woman that answered ( dispatch here), yelled at the older kids, REALLY yelled at my ex and SLAPPED him for not setting the alarm when he got to the house ( he HAD set it, the intruder was "family" and knew our code).
I think anyone who "knows" me here knows that is FAR from my normal demenaor...but I did it. It was pretty bad, and worse, my ex LAUGHED at me later over it for years and years. imagine laughing at how a mother in that pain acted!...you can see why the "ex" part of this story.
JMO.

I can understand anger, and certainly if he came home and found out his daughter was missing/abducted. But even the 911 operator didn't seem to think his outburst was normal and wanted Misty to calm him down before LE got there. :) MOO

[OneUp]

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?
I cannot recall how old she is now...but I *think* she is older than 18.
?????:confused:

[WillowInFlight]

Very sad i read that and it seems like there all giving up.

If someone doesn't come forward this child may become another Trenton. :crying:

[TeenyNRossi]

Crystal's MySpace page has her in her 20's (23?), and a couple of posters have said she gave the same age in an interview.

The document that gives her birthyear as '89 also has Haleigh's sex listed as male.

I'll be kind and say that the docs were prepared in a rush...otherwise, they (LE) need to get someone a little more detail oriented to handle this info...especially since this case has all the earmarks of another high-profile case...when & if the time comes for charges, the DA will have their hands full keeping a defense attny from jumping all over this stuff. imo

[?noanswer]

We need more than that one document everyone is using for 'proof' of Crystal's age. That same document lists Haleigh's sex as MALE!

Crystal says she is 23.

Does anyone know if there is another official document out there with Crystal's age listed?

Her myspace says 23 and she herself said she was 23 in an interview. JMO

[n/t]

Tim Miller Spends 2 1/2 Hours With Ron

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

Heartbreaking:crying:

"He got teary-eyed, he hugged me and said, 'Thank you. Thank you,' " Miller said. "He's holding onto hope that Haleigh's still alive, but he's facing reality. He said, 'If she's not alive, find her for me.'"

[breeze53]

If someone doesn't come forward this child may become another Trenton. :crying:


I know and I am wondering why they have stopped the water search already?

[sunstar]

New thread over here folks

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12785930&posted=1#post12785930

I'm coming! :)

[OneUp]

cliffnotes version? anyone?Is that necessary? ...or just somehow satisfying?
Complain to CW if you can't read them and can't ignore posts you don't like.
Comment on the case maybe?
iIm interested in hearing it!

[playnice]

I think the best person to visit Ron would be Mark Lunsford. I fear if Haleigh is found dead and Ron finds out who the perp is before LE arrests him, he will get himself into a whole lot of trouble. Mark understands exactly what Ron is going thru. I think Mark wanted to pluck Coueys eyeballs out of his head but he managed to control it. Im not sure Ron could.

[WillowInFlight]

I can understand anger, and certainly if he came home and found out his daughter was missing/abducted. But even the 911 operator didn't seem to think his outburst was normal and wanted Misty to calm him down before LE got there. :) MOO

I think thats because he was threatening to kill at that point, I'm sure she didn't want anyone getting hurt once the police got there.

[aubrey04]

I am deleting this post and moving it to the new thread... See yall there. :seeya:

[sunstar]

Tim Miller Spends 2 1/2 Hours With Ron

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

At least he seems to be getting cooperation this time. :smile:

[OneUp]

She was barely 13 when she got pregnant too and if Ronald's birthdate is 10/29/83, that means that he was 19 years old, almost 20 years old. So he got a 13 year old pregnant when he was 19 years old. Now he is 25 years old and is dating a 17 year old. He was 24 and she was 16 when they first started dating.

Once again - I am surprised he isn't on the RSO list.I'm pretty sure her MS had a 23rd birthday photo of herself on it...
i'll take a look.
Back in a sec.

[breeze53]

I think the best person to visit Ron would be Mark Lunsford. I fear if Heleigh is found dead and Ron finds out who the perp is before LE arrests him, he will get himself into a whole lot of trouble. Mark understands exactly what Ron is going thru. I think Mark wanted to pluck Coueys eyeballs out of his head but he managed to control it. Im not sure Ron could.


I think your right, and you can't blame him for feeling that way but for his sake and his sons sake i hope someone helps him if it comes to this.

[aubrey04]

Bringing my post from the last thread (I deleted it over there)...

I read from another poster that the dob on mom you are referring to was incorrect and that the mother is actually much closer to his age.

I dunno tho

okay thanks. Anyway I just read the article that said Tim Miller spent time talking to Ronald. I wonder why all the articles seem to have Haleigh doomed. I still have hope she's alive. There aren't indications that she is dead - like there were in the Caylee Anthony case.

Maybe someone is holding her captive like Shasta Groene, Steven Stayner, Elizabeth Smart, Shawn Hornbeck and all the others.. I still have hope and it is heart-breaking to read that others have lost hope so quickly. It hasn't even been a week.

[sunstar]

Very sad i read that and it seems like there all giving up.

It's just that the chances of a happy outcome are very slim, but there's always faith and a lot of prayer. :closedeyes:

[WillowInFlight]

At least he seems to be getting cooperation this time. :smile:

I'm just having a hard time believing that Ron and Misty could be putting on an act.

[Politigal]

Crystal Sheffield's drivers license shows a birthdate of 4/30/85.

Misty Croslin is 12/9/91.

[aubrey04]

They are re-airing Nancy Grace right now and they keep showing video footage of the Tot Dad walking outside smoking.. I apologize if this has been mentioned - discussed, hashed and rehashed, and beaten like a dead horse.. but I have been in and out of the threads, so if it has been mentioned - I apologize.

Did anyone notice the bandage on Ronald's neck? Does anyone know why he had that big bandage? Thanks.

[WillowInFlight]

My question was simple- is he being overly secure for a reason?? Did he think something might happen while he was gone - did Haleigh sleepwalk or was she very very scared of the dark for some reason unsaid. I will bve careful of the word paranoid but please make sure you understand that I said I have no problem with it. IMO

Or did something happen in the past that we don't know about that he needed everyone close?

[OneUp]

Crystal Sheffield's drivers license shows a birthdate of 4/30/85.TY and the others who took the time to check.
It's good to keep things straight!

[breeze53]

They are re-airing Nancy Grace right now and they keep showing video footage of the Tot Dad walking outside smoking.. I apologize if this has been mentioned - discussed, hashed and rehashed, and beaten like a dead horse.. but I have been in and out of the threads, so if it has been mentioned - I apologize.

Did anyone notice the bandage on Ronald's neck? Does anyone know why he had that big bandage? Thanks.


It was brought up but I dont think anyone had any answers.

[sunstar]

I'm just having a hard time believing that Ron and Misty could be putting on an act.

Not at all like the "other" case we just came over here from! I don't see Ron as an actor at all, but I do think there might be something to Misty knowing more than she originally reported. Just MOO

[?noanswer]

I know and I am wondering why they have stopped the water search already?

I heard it said that they stopped it for tomorrow, but haven't ruled it out to do it some more. This is bad to say, but if she drowned, they might think it's time for the body to float to the surface. I don't know how long that takes. The bold is mine. It is not a fact from LE. Don't want a rumor to get started. JMO

[CanCan]

Right now, I'm not going with the Chad theory, I agree with OneUp, I think it's someone closer to home and knows this family, someone who wasn't afraid of being caught in that house and had no problem turning on a light.

(I'm now on Theory #3) So, any thoughts about Misti's brother?????

[OneUp]

I think the best person to visit Ron would be Mark Lunsford. I fear if Haleigh is found dead and Ron finds out who the perp is before LE arrests him, he will get himself into a whole lot of trouble. Mark understands exactly what Ron is going thru. I think Mark wanted to pluck Coueys eyeballs out of his head but he managed to control it. Im not sure Ron could.Poor Mark! He had a hard time tho...who wouldn't? I wanted to pluck that nasty suckers eyes out myself!
I hope someone with a good head has Ronalds ear. His son needs him to hold on to his sanity AND his freedom right now.
I don't know how so many people even survive the loss of a child. My other daughter is the thing that saved me, otherwise I don't think I even would have cared what happened to me.
I consider myself a tough person, but we just aren't meant to go AFTER our children for any reason. it isn't natural to a human being to accept that.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

It was brought up but I dont think anyone had any answers.

We went from possible boil, too covering up a tat, too cuts. We just don't know.

[breeze53]

With the kind of equipment Tim now has they were probably able to clear the river in a matter of hours, maybe lenny will send in his divers on Monday.

JMO


Oh my! not the lenny divers:scared::scared::w00t:

[kitty1182]

(I'm now on Theory #3) So, any thoughts about Misti's brother?????

I wish we knew his name....

[Kelly3820]

I'm just having a hard time believing that Ron and Misty could be putting on an act.



Me too! I truly heard grieve in the dad's voice when it hits him that this real horror. For Misty I see a 17 year old that is not an adult. Not sure of herself, not confident and waiting for an adult to help or take over. Sadly I believe this is the Jessica Lundsford case all over again.

[breeze53]

We went from possible boil, too covering up a tat, too cuts. We just don't know.

Or a hickey:ohmy:I thought i noticed 1 on the g/f's neck in one pic

[WillowInFlight]

Not at all like the "other" case we just came over here from! I don't see Ron as an actor at all, but I do think there might be something to Misty knowing more than she originally reported. Just MOO

I don't know what to think of her yet, she seems younger than her years and she might just be terrified.

[?noanswer]

They are re-airing Nancy Grace right now and they keep showing video footage of the Tot Dad walking outside smoking.. I apologize if this has been mentioned - discussed, hashed and rehashed, and beaten like a dead horse.. but I have been in and out of the threads, so if it has been mentioned - I apologize.

Did anyone notice the bandage on Ronald's neck? Does anyone know why he had that big bandage? Thanks.

Yor are correct. It has been discussed ad nauseum. No one has discovered the answer. Just a lot of theories. JMO

[KittyMom]

I think the best person to visit Ron would be Mark Lunsford. I fear if Haleigh is found dead and Ron finds out who the perp is before LE arrests him, he will get himself into a whole lot of trouble. Mark understands exactly what Ron is going thru. I think Mark wanted to pluck Coueys eyeballs out of his head but he managed to control it. Im not sure Ron could.

That was one of the most difficult trials to watch. Mark's face showed pure anguish. I had times when I wanted to reach thru the monitor and break Couey's crayolas. :flamemad: Mark would be a great person to talk to Ron. I'd be willing to bet he's already contacted him.

[WillowInFlight]

Or a hickey:ohmy:I thought i noticed 1 on the g/f's neck in one pic

Oh I didn't think of that, does that mean I'm getting old? :sad:

[TeenyNRossi]

Poor mark! He hard a hard time tho...who wouldn't? I wanted to pluck that nasty suckers eyes out myself!
I hope someone with a good head has Ronalds ear. His son needs him to hold on to his sanity AND his freedom right now.
I don't know how so many people even survive the loss of a child. My other daughter is the thing that saved me, otherwise I don't think I even would have cared what happened to me.
I consider myself a tough person, but we just aren't meant to go AFTER our children for any reason. it isn't natural to a human being to accept that.
JMO.

I too hope that someone like Mark Lundsford is able to find time for Ron...Last I heard though, he was getting help from George Anthony & KFN...Mark would be a much better influence imo....

Also, there was some discussion on the last thread regarding the discrepancies in dates & even gender in some of the LE documents...

I'll be kind and say that the docs were prepared in a rush...otherwise, they (LE) need to get someone a little more detail oriented to handle this info...especially since this case has all the earmarks of another high-profile case...when & if the time comes for charges, the DA will have their hands full keeping a defense attny from jumping all over this stuff. imo

[WillowInFlight]

(I'm now on Theory #3) So, any thoughts about Misti's brother?????

I need to know more about him, how often he visited, what kind of interaction he had if any with Haleigh.

[OneUp]

(I'm now on Theory #3) So, any thoughts about Misti's brother?????Lots of "wonders"...no evidence, not reason to think anything...but it is a viable option just from the POV of what is likely to have happened. EVERY male with any "
special" access to haleigh or who developed a relationship/attachement to her is suspect to some degre. Odds are, if it's not a mom for a child this age, and it's not dad, then it's a pervert who knew the child in some way. Be it a bus driver, the guy down the street, or a friend or family member.
He would be a male with access and trust invested in him. That makes him a possible in my mind. I'm not speculating much about him until/unless more info. comes out. If we find he has a record or he even "looks creepy" on TV, then hold me back.
I bet LE knows if he has potential or not though. Be sure of it.
JMO.

[?noanswer]

That was one of the most difficult trials to watch. Mark's face showed pure anguish. I had times when I wanted to reach thru the monitor and break Couey's crayolas. :flamemad: Mark would be a great person to talk to Ron. I'd be willing to bet he's already contacted him.


I could not watch very much of that trial. When I happened to see Couey, I tried to scratch his eyes out with my mouse!!! JMO

[breeze53]

Oh I didn't think of that, does that mean I'm getting old? :sad:


Not at all lol I just thought i noticed one on her and thought maybe he was covering his up. I am most likely wrong tho:sneaky:

[WillowInFlight]

Can we get a correct spelling on her name?

News stories have said Misty. Is it Misty? or not?

I'm glad you asked, I've been flipping from Misty to Misti.

[Kelly3820]

That was one of the most difficult trials to watch. Mark's face showed pure anguish. I had times when I wanted to reach thru the monitor and break Couey's crayolas. :flamemad: Mark would be a great person to talk to Ron. I'd be willing to bet he's already contacted him.



I believe Mark wanted justice for his daughter. He wanted it done right and by the law. He felt he owed her that as her dad. To put up with all the crap and he kept strong and held on so his beautiful little girl could have her justice. Truly a remarkable man. I think he taught us all.

[kitty1182]

That was one of the most difficult trials to watch. Mark's face showed pure anguish. I had times when I wanted to reach thru the monitor and break Couey's crayolas. :flamemad: Mark would be a great person to talk to Ron. I'd be willing to bet he's already contacted him.

I hope he has too..I think a lot of Mark L....

[OneUp]

We went from possible boil, too covering up a tat, too cuts. We just don't know.I don't remember the bandage from the first interviews I saw...but maybe I just didn't notice it?
FWIW, I don't think it WAS there the first day. I lean towards something that happened after the crime...searching?...a fight?

[WillowInFlight]

If we could get a correct spelling on Misty's name or her full given name, perhaps someone could check the family tree online. It may give a brother(s) name on there.

Do we know if they both have the same parents?

[breeze53]

I'm having trouble, too. Plus, if 2 or more are in on it, chances of detection go that much higher. This is a real puzzlement.


In no way do I think the dad had anything to do with this, I dont want to think his girlfriend did, I am going back and forth on her.

[kitty1182]

I have to say, Ellie Neslar (sp?) taught me that killing someone who hurts your kid is a bad idea. (She killed her son's molester and she went to jail and the family went to hell in a hand-basket) BUT, the one time I think I could have lost it anyway is when that POS Richard Davis said what he did to Mark Klaas in the courtroom. My jaw dropped and then *I* got mad. :cursing:

Oh, what he said to Mark K. was horrible..

[KittyMom]

I don't remember the bandage from the first interviews I saw...but maybe I just didn't notice it?
FWIW, I don't think it WAS there the first day. I lean towards something that happened after the crime...searching?...a fight?

Scratch on the neck from a tree branch while out searching? :confused:

[aubrey04]

I have to say, Ellie Neslar (sp?) taught me that killing someone who hurts your kid is a bad idea. (She killed her son's molester and she went to jail and the family went to hell in a hand-basket) BUT, the one time I think I could have lost it anyway is when that POS Richard Davis said what he did to Mark Klaas in the courtroom. My jaw dropped and then *I* got mad. :cursing:

Amen to that, Lavenia. When I see Mark Klaas - I think of that day - Richard Allen Davis' comment ---often. If it affects us this much - imagine how much that disturbs Marc Klaas..

[sunstar]

I don't know what to think of her yet, she seems younger than her years and she might just be terrified.

I think one possibility is she made a mistake and left the door unlocked, someone got in or Haleigh wandered out and her first thought might have been fear of him (Ron) finding out.


I'm going to have to say goodnight :seeya: and take my runny nose to bed.

[OneUp]

Scratch on the neck from a tree branch while out searching? :confused:I think that highly possible. There ARE innocent explanations. I can't see LE letting him wander around free if he had a scratch on his neck that may/probably came from his missing child. That is pretty concrete evidence of foul play if you ask me!
I think he got it after she was gone.
JMO.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Politigal

Crystal Sheffield's drivers license shows a birthdate of 4/30/85.

Hope this puts to rest the rumors that Crystal was 13/14 when Haleigh was born.

Thanks, Politigal

[johnielee333]

If he left at 4 and didnt return unti 3 thats 11 hrs i just cant accept the fact that someone came into that house and took her with the g/f laying right there. Could something have happened and the brother came by to help cover it up? Or did something happen before he went to work . I wonder how he acted at work that night nervous, on the cell phone alot. I think 1 or both of them know what happened.

yep i agree.

[aubrey04]

It was brought up but I dont think anyone had any answers.

Thanks, breeze and lavenia.

[~jomomma~]

I don't remember the bandage from the first interviews I saw...but maybe I just didn't notice it?
FWIW, I don't think it WAS there the first day. I lean towards something that happened after the crime...searching?...a fight?

LOL oneup! i think it was last night i posted that i didn't remember seeing a bandage on his neck either. then someone posted the link to the video and i'm like 'HOW THE HECK DID I MISS IT????'

just getting back here for a little bit and trying to catch up.

wonder who advised misty not to talk to media? i'm thinking ron.

i hope it wasn't the A's. i wish we'd hear something!

[breeze53]

Thanks, breeze and lavenia.


Your very welcome I am calling it a night. Saying a prayer for Haleigh thats shes somewhere safe tonight and God brings her home soon. Night see ya all tomorrow.

[Destini]

Not sure if there's a relation, but here's a Hank Croslin on Tyler Street, looks to be 2-3 blocks from Ron's trailer.

http://yahoo.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qf=Hank&qn=Croslin&qa=116+TYLER+ST&qc=SATSUMA&qs=FL&qz=32189&qp=386-649-1180&refer=2426&MoreInfoResult=1&RecID=0&PHPSESSID=59ae17693dd42c95dc5fcc13f20fd686

[Politigal]

A poster said she was in the habit of having her children sleep with her when her husband worked nights. Reading her post triggered my memory of when my husband worked all odd hours and my children would sleep with me also when they were little. Perhaps it was nothing more than that. I don't find it very noteworthy.

The only thing that got my attention was the changing stories, not that they slept in the same room or even the same bed while he was at work in the night.

found this article that there were 2 beds but both in the same room

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/02/misty-croslin-who-was-watching-haleigh.html

[TeenyNRossi]

I think one possibility is she made a mistake and left the door unlocked, someone got in or Haleigh wandered out and her first thought might have been fear of him (Ron) finding out.


I'm going to have to say goodnight :seeya: and take my runny nose to bed.

Night, feel better & hope that that Haleigh is found safely soon...

[Politigal]

Politigal, I don't know where you got that info, but that makes total sense. She looks that old, and I think it would have made news by now if she was 13 or 14 when Haleigh was born.

Rumors, ugh.

I subscribe to www.publicdata.com

You can look up DL's, criminal history, etc.

[VC2]

Valentines is over rated... I didnt have a date either. :blush:

I had a great valentines, my friend bought me a SNUGGIE! :laugh: and then we drove to my parents to pick up two barn cats they had been feeding for a couple of years and since they are moving, wanted to be sure they had a home,- i dont need more cats but they are unsocialized, at least 3 yrs old and inseperable so not good choices for a shelter and most of mine were like that.

Then they said well why dont you take the 30 inch tv, we don't have room in the new apt and the chair and a half! So i had loads of good valentines presents lol.

I just wish Haighleigh and her dad and all her family were able to :(

[n/t]

Someone please clarify the blanket story for me. Where did it come from? I've read she took it down from one of the windows and I also remember reading that she took it from the van. What van? Whose van?

TIA

[OneUp]

LOL oneup! i think it was last night i posted that i didn't remember seeing a bandage on his neck either. then someone posted the link to the video and i'm like 'HOW THE HECK DID I MISS IT????'

just getting back here for a little bit and trying to catch up.

wonder who advised misty not to talk to media? i'm thinking ron.

i hope it wasn't the A's. i wish we'd hear something!TY for saving me a long time looking for the first interviewws! You probably missed it being busy watching his demeanor, just as I think I must have.
TY again!

[Politigal]

Websleuths also has some good info

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79668

[Destini]

On the last thread there were questions about Misty's brother's name. I don't know if this is a brother or even kin, but Croslin is a fairly unusual name. There is a Hank Croslin that lives at 116 Tyler Street, which is about 2-3 blocks from the trailer Ron & Misty live in.

Link from Intelius:

http://yahoo.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qf=Hank&qn=Croslin&qa=116+TYLER+ST&qc=SATSUMA&qs=FL&qz=32189&qp=386-649-1180&refer=2426&MoreInfoResult=1&RecID=0&PHPSESSID=59ae17693dd42c95dc5fcc13f20fd686

Link from Mapquest showing in more detail the distance between the homes.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Satsuma&1s=FL&1a=116+Tyler+Street&2c=Satsuma&2s=FL&2a=202+Green+Lane

[TeenyNRossi]

Darn it, every time I come back I hope something's changed but .... nothing.

I wonder if they've considered hypnotizing Misty and maybe even little Ronald Jr., possibly one or both was only half asleep and might have seen something they don't realize? Didn't they do that to another sibling in a missing child case somewhere?

IIRC maybe Elizabeth Smart.

[~jomomma~]

Someone please clarify the blanket story for me. Where did it come from? I've read she took it down from one of the windows and I also remember reading that she took it from the van. What van? Whose van?

TIA

don't know who's van. here's a link that was posted on the last thread. i need to watch it again myself...as soon as i go find another link to something else..LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

[CanCan]

cliffnotes version? anyone?

I'll give it a try. I didn't see the article, but I used to teach this stuff.

* Looking UP and to the RIGHT = you are creating a vision/image = in an interrogation, this indicates that you are LYING

* Looking DOWN and to the RIGHT = you are having an internal conversation with yourself = making stuff up = again, LYING in an interrogation

This stuff really works - I've run tons of fun experiments with students - it amazes them.

[Bird]

Do any of you remember reading that article about body language? It came up on the CA thread a while back. Just trying to remember what it said about closing your eyes when answering questions or looking away and downwards..

Evasion, fear of looking your interrogator in the eye because you think they'll know you're not telling the truth or are hiding something.

[emdragon]

Her myspace says 23 and she herself said she was 23 in an interview. JMO

This article lists Crystal's age as 23

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111009/-1/SPECIALSECTION07?Title=Haleigh_investigators___We_ assume_abduction_

[kitty1182]

On the last thread there were questions about Misty's brother's name. I don't know if this is a brother or even kin, but Croslin is a fairly unusual name. There is a Hank Croslin that lives at 116 Tyler Street, which is about 2-3 blocks from the trailer Ron & Misty live in.

Link from Intelius:

http://yahoo.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qf=Hank&qn=Croslin&qa=116+TYLER+ST&qc=SATSUMA&qs=FL&qz=32189&qp=386-649-1180&refer=2426&MoreInfoResult=1&RecID=0&PHPSESSID=59ae17693dd42c95dc5fcc13f20fd686

Link from Mapquest showing in more detail the distance between the homes.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Satsuma&1s=FL&1a=116+Tyler+Street&2c=Satsuma&2s=FL&2a=202+Green+Lane


Don't know if it's him, but good work!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

(going to zabba)

[CanCan]

Mark was one I thought was innocent on the get go......

Same here. Mark was genuinely distraught/heartbroken. No junior high drama club performances from him.

jmo

[ttcRider]

I'll give it a try. I didn't see the article, but I used to teach this stuff.

* Looking UP and to the RIGHT = you are creating a vision/image = in an interrogation, this indicates that you are LYING

* Looking DOWN and to the RIGHT = you are having an internal conversation with yourself = making stuff up = again, LYING in an interrogation

This stuff really works - I've run tons of fun experiments with students - it amazes them.

Interesting... anything about closing your eyes when you're answering a question?

[~jomomma~]

TY for saving me a long time looking for the first interviewws! You probably missed it being busy watching his demeanor, just as I think I must have.
TY again!

here's that link. but it says it was from thursday?

http://www.wftv.com/video/18701599/index.html

[CanCan]

Don't tweak too hard tho.! She was only seen by Misty's Brother and his kids, and AFAIK, LE hasn't confirmed OR denied that.
It is just the current report. We all KNOW how many conflicting things were out there at first in this case!
I believe she was alive when he left FWIW.

OK, thanks. :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

I was just reading the Greta transcript where Ron said the door was dead bolted and very hard to unlock, that you really had to push on the door, further down when asked how they thought someone got in they both said someone had to have picked the lock.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

Can't LE be able to tell if a lock has been picked?

[Destini]

Don't know if it's him, but good work!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

(going to zabba)

I had been researching earlier today & found some things online that made me believe her father's name is Hank Sr. & brother's name is Hank Jr., but I am so tired right now I can't remember how I found it. I think I started with a search of Misty's mother's name, but now I can't remember that either. Ugh, it's heck being old & tired.

[kitty1182]

I had been researching earlier today & found some things online that made me believe her father's name is Hank Sr. & brother's name is Hank Jr., but I am so tired right now I can't remember how I found it. I think I started with a search of Misty's mother's name, but now I can't remember that either. Ugh, it's heck being old & tired.

I did a reverse phone look up ...
2 address for this Hank..
Satsuma and Pomona Park same phone number for both..

[WillowInFlight]

Don't know if it's him, but good work!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

(going to zabba)

I thought her father's name is Hank? owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc

[WillowInFlight]

I had been researching earlier today & found some things online that made me believe her father's name is Hank Sr. & brother's name is Hank Jr., but I am so tired right now I can't remember how I found it. I think I started with a search of Misty's mother's name, but now I can't remember that either. Ugh, it's heck being old & tired.

This is the only listing I can find for Misty's siblings. Lindsey and Chelsea.

[WillowInFlight]

Found this
Tommy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother)? hasn’t logged in since 07
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=81898882

[WillowInFlight]

This one has pictures of Misty.

Timothy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=102176131

[playnice]

Me too! I truly heard grieve in the dad's voice when it hits him that this real horror. For Misty I see a 17 year old that is not an adult. Not sure of herself, not confident and waiting for an adult to help or take over. Sadly I believe this is the Jessica Lundsford case all over again.

I do too Kelly.:sad:

[Destini]

This is the only listing I can find for Misty's siblings. Lindsey and Chelsea.

This google search shows a hank croslin, jr. & lindsy of satsuma having a child. So I am thinking this may be a brother & sister-in-law?

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=%22hank+croslin%22&ie=UTF-8

[kitty1182]

Found this
Tommy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother)? hasn’t logged in since 07
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=81898882

I get page cannot get found.:sad:


https://www.intelius.com/purchase.php

116 tyler house was built in 1990..

[WillowInFlight]

This google search shows a hank croslin, jr. & lindsy of satsuma having a child. So I am thinking this may be a brother & sister-in-law?

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=%22hank+croslin%22&ie=UTF-8

Lindsey seems to be married to Misty's brother Tommy. http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin

[CanCan]

Interesting... anything about closing your eyes when you're answering a question?

Closing your eyes when answering a question is a STALL TACTIC - it gives you time to quick think up a bogus answer.

[Destini]

Good find Destini!

Thanks .... pretty good for an old broad, huh?

So maybe this is the brother who was visiting earlier in the day?

Oh, also, I think I found somewhere that Hank Jr. & Tommy are one in the same person. I think it may be Hank T. Croslin, Jr. I'll go look.

[WillowInFlight]

I get page cannot get found.:sad:


https://www.intelius.com/purchase.php

116 tyler house was built in 1990..

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882

[5boxersmom]

Just checking in before I go read. I thought maybe there was some breaking news on the 11 O'Clock local news. Sad to see there wasn't.

Haleigh :rose:

Gosh I wish she would be found.

[aubrey04]

Darn it, every time I come back I hope something's changed but .... nothing.

I wonder if they've considered hypnotizing Misty and maybe even little Ronald Jr., possibly one or both was only half asleep and might have seen something they don't realize? Didn't they do that to another sibling in a missing child case somewhere?

Misty might have been half-asleep - I agree. She seemed half asleep in a few of the interviews I have seen with her too.

[Destini]

Lindsey seems to be married to Misty's brother Tommy. http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin

I think this is the same as Hank, Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr., from this Google article.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=%22hank+thomas+croslin%22

Anyway, all to say that either her brother or her father lives 2-3 blocks from them, for whatever that is worth.

[OneUp]

The Face in Deception
http://www.face-and-emotion.com/dataface/facets/deception.jsp

Liars and Body Language.
http://www.learnbodylanguage.org/body_language_lying.html

I planned to post several links for the interested...but the computer is "halting" and not loading well...sorry! If you just do a search for facial expressions and lying, you'll find tons of articles.
it IS an interesting study tho...maybe I took my class from CanCan?
I only recall for certain that NO ONE motion is significant if it is alone. One must take the entire face as well as some body indicators into consideration according to the proff. who taught the class I attended.
I'll never forget My stepdad being judged a liar because he kept blinking his eyes in an interview...he had only just gotten contacts and wasn't used to them!
There MAY always be other causes, that is why LE uses micro-facial expressions for clues, but not as evidence.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I think this is the same as Hank, Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr., from this Google article.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=%22hank+thomas+croslin%22

Anyway, all to say that either her brother or her father lives 2-3 blocks from them, for whatever that is worth.
They are the spitting image of each other.

[aubrey04]

Lindsey seems to be married to Misty's brother Tommy. http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin

Misty also has a brother named Timothy. How many other siblings? I am surprised her brothers didn't beat Ronald's butt.

[WillowInFlight]

Do you mean by what you read or a pic?

By the picture on Lindsy's MySpace

[WillowInFlight]

Misty also has a brother named Timothy. How many other siblings? I am surprised her brothers didn't beat Ronald's butt.

I can only find Timothy who is married to Chelsea, and Tommy who is married to Lindsy.

[aubrey04]

This tangled web of a family reminds me of the people in Brooke Bennett's extended - woven family.. I remember us trying to do a who's who in that case - it just reminds me a lot of this.

I really hope Haleigh is still alive. I still have hope that she's alive.. I hope searchers and the police are still giving it their all.

[WillowInFlight]

Lindsey has a daughter named Kyleigh?

Is this NOT weird????:scared:

[~jomomma~]

on chelsea's there are some pics of misty. her niece/nephew must call her meme :sad: she's very cute when she smiles. it's so sad. i hope she's not involved

www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin

in the 3rd photo album, 2nd and 3rd page

ETA: you can tell she's VERY comfortable with kids and those were taken in 2006

[OneUp]

Bedtime here all...it's been tiring trying to pop in while the baby wasn't looking! I'm glad I'm a fast reader or I would NEVER get caught up.
Please link any breaking news in this case, as today was a rariety for me to be able to post so much and read all...I bet I'm not the only person interested but with little time!
TY all for the info. and theories.

[WillowInFlight]

on chelsea's there are some pics of misty. her niece/nephew must call her meme :sad: she's very cute when she smiles. it's so sad. i hope she's not involved

www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin

in the 3rd photo album, 2nd and 3rd page

ETA: you can tell she's VERY comfortable with kids and those were taken in 2006
ITA and that is exactly what she told LE, she was no stranger to very young children.

[~jomomma~]

Latest Update from the Sheriff's Office

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18715761/detail.html

thanks!!!!

[Politigal]

One curious thing I've found from looking at Property records -- the same people who own the property where Haleigh lived also own the property where the closest sex offender lives....

they actually own several properties....I wonder who maintains them or collects rent or whatever.

[KathR]

Right it may (or may not) be clues for investigators. It's scary to think LE believes it to always be true because it's not.

If Susan Smith pops into my mind as I listen to a distraught person talking about a missing child, all kinds of warning bells go off in my head. Think of Casey telling Cindy to "tell her (Caylee) her mommy loves her."

[~jomomma~]

Oh my, she is cute and sweet looking.

i also noticed in some of those pics they are taken in a van. i wonder if that's whose van she refers to.

[aubrey04]

Looking at those pictures of Misty from just 3 years ago - she looks SO young, but that's because she IS young. In those pictures she had just turned 14 years old.

I am sad that she is mixed up in this. No, I don't think (at least not at this point) that she was involved in Haleigh's disappearance but she's obviously a witness - being the last person to see Haleigh before she disppeared.

This will scar her for the rest of her life. I hope and pray that Haleigh is found - not only for Haleigh, but for Misty. She is embroiled in a very scary situation - which would be damaging to anyone, but even moreso for a teenager.

Her family needs to get her away from Ronald - I am sorry but he is too old for her and this is just too much for a girl her age to handle.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Good post Aubrey. I'm shocked at how *sweet* she looks. This is just horrible.

They all look so young, baby's having babies.

[aubrey04]

Good post Aubrey. I'm shocked at how *sweet* she looks. This is just horrible.

She does look so sweet, so young, so innocent. Her interviews were very sincere, imo. She seems devastated. She probably feels responsible - I bet the weight of the world is on her shoulders.. All of this is just too much for a girl her age.

They all look so young, baby's having babies.

Yup, Willow. I noticed that too. Way too much responsibility at way too young of an age.

I am about to go to bed, but I just want to say how frustrating I get to feeling in these cases - I remember feeling that way with Caylee.. Haleigh is out there somewhere -- she didn't disappear into thin air. It's so annoying that there are answers out there but we just can't see the answers for whatever reason.

I pray she's found soon and preferably alive and well.

Good night everyone! :wub: Happy V-day!

[WillowInFlight]

Good night Aubrey, sleep well. :wub:

[Zeus]

Misty also has a brother named Timothy. How many other siblings? I am surprised her brothers didn't beat Ronald's butt.

Maybe they like him.

[Larkin]

If Susan Smith pops into my mind as I listen to a distraught person talking about a missing child, all kinds of warning bells go off in my head. Think of Casey telling Cindy to "tell her (Caylee) her mommy loves her."

Let's not for get the "stay strong' part...verbatim, right out of Susan Smith's mouth. That was one hell of a hinky moment for me...:thumbdown:

[WillowInFlight]

He was never found, right? I think that is the worst.

No never found, I think the secret to his whereabouts went with his mother to her grave. And you are right, the not ever knowing has got to be like a slow death.

[Rayosunshine]

Is the FBI involved in this case?

[CanCan]

Or a hickey:ohmy:I thought i noticed 1 on the g/f's neck in one pic

Eeeeoooooowwww........ :eek:

[CanCan]

I don't know what to think of her yet, she seems younger than her years and she might just be terrified.

Yes, this is my take on her, too. :sad:

[Larkin]

He was never found, right? I think that is the worst.


Oh man, I feel so sorry for all those that followed the Trenton Duckett case...and then, no closure! I am so sorry that we now know what happened to Caylee... at least her remains were found... but to follow an eerily similar case with no recovery of that little boy must leave a lot of you with pain and sorrow in your hearts till this day!

I cannot believe the amount of child abductions, kidnappings..what have you all over this nation! If my kids were toddlers again, I think I would put a leash on them that hooked on to me. Mamma bears and lions don't like to be messed with..YKWIM?

[CanCan]

I don't remember the bandage from the first interviews I saw...but maybe I just didn't notice it?
FWIW, I don't think it WAS there the first day. I lean towards something that happened after the crime...searching?...a fight?

Correct - no bandage the first night. I don't recall hearing that Ron did any searching, so I had speculated that he and Misty had had a fight sometime following the discovery of Heileigh's disappearance.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I wanted to also add that I find the following quote from Misty to be a bit baffling...."I don’t care what people are saying about me because I didn’t do it,” I know she is young, but exactly what did she "do"? I also know words can get mixed up when a person is stressed, but this is telling lingo, imo. I don't think Misty hurt Haleigh, but I do think she knows who did, imo.

In that same article, she says how upset she was and how she had to keep moving. I just think she was terribly upset. Though I do wonder why she took two polygraph tests?

[WillowInFlight]

I noticed that too. At the time and now there's no reason to think anyone did anything to the child. Is there? The dad impressed me the same way right off the bat insisting someone broke into his home and stole his child. He couldn't have known that then or now. How can he be so sure?

I sure think it's possible she knows something and him too. I never suspected her of harming the child but I do him moreso. suspicion/I wonder.

It seems like she'd be what LE sometimes referrs to as the weak link. usually the youngest they can get to talk more readily hopefully than others in a crime scenario.

I don't find him thinking his baby was stolen odd, Misty told him Haleigh was gone, and with all the stories that have been coming out of Florida, I imagine that was his first thought and he went into an instant panic. Specially if this child isn't known for getting up in the middle of the night and roaming.

[norwood]

I don't find him thinking his baby was stolen odd, Misty told him Haleigh was gone, and with all the stories that have been coming out of Florida, I imagine that was his first thought and he went into an instant panic. Specially if this child isn't known for getting up in the middle of the night and roaming.

I mostly lurk and have posted mostly on the Caylee board.

Agree with you that if I lived in Fl and I discovered my child was missing the very first thing I would think was that some one took her. Seems we hear far more children abducted and missing in Fl than we do from other states. Maybe they just get more attention, but it sure seems there are more.

[Magnum357]

Maybe they like him.

No no no Zeus. He's 8 years older than she is so that's not possible. :rolleyes:

[Oregongal]

Hi all, just popping in. Haven't been here for awhile.
Anything new?
Anything encouraging?
Still praying and have lit candles for Haliegh.
:rose:

[Oregongal]

What did he say to Mark K?

Reading backward, who said what to Mark K?

[Oregongal]

Howdy, Nothing new that I know of. The items of interest they found have been ruled out I heard on the news. Also heard the footprint was determined to have been from a previous time. fox

Thank you Adalena.
Maybe tomorrow will bring good news.
For Haliegh-Hope, prayers and
:rose::rose::rose:

[lune3]

Bringing this over from the other thread.


Misty does maintain eye contact and looks the interviewer straight in the eye. She seemed genuinely distraught. I actually found her quite believable. And I don't know what to make of myself now.

Since I tended to suspect the dad from the beginning, I tried to think of a scenario wherein the dad could've harmed the child and Misty not know it but I came up empty on that.

I also find her believable in this interview. To me, there are no signs of deception, or hiding, in her facial expressions, and her grief comes across as genuine, particularly in the movement of her eyebrows (where the inside ends move upwards), and in her forehead activity. This is difficult to fake, particularly for someone who is unsophisticated. And when faked, the movement is normally not in synch with the lower part of the face. It is here. Plus, that particular gesture here is not sustained, or forced, as would be expected if one were controlling it. Her distraught expression is spontaneous and unconscious, in my opinion.

As for subsequent interviews where she closes her eyes, I think that could be attributed to emotional fatigue, tired of needing to repeat things, picturing events of that first night in her mind again, or unconsciously not wanting to "see" the horror of the events. I think that had she closed her eyes, showed shiftiness or not being able to look directly at the interviewer, in the very first interviews when things were recent and fresh, this would have been more of a red flag than in later interviews.

[Cinsd]

Hope this puts to rest the rumors that Crystal was 13/14 when Haleigh was born.

Thanks, Politigal

The police report says Crystal Sheffields' dob is 8/30/89.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

I wonder which is correct :confused:

[lune3]

Thanks for that lune3. You seem to know more about it than I on the facial expressions. I think she did seem sincere and as you say the latter times she spoke she did look fatigued which is understandable.

Thanks for responding Adalena. I've been trying to post my thoughts on both Misty's and Ron's behaviours and expressions (both in words and gestural) a few times but my posts just seem to get lost in the speed of the threads, (lol I'm just not that fast!, and I guess I'm pretty unknown here amongst all the regulars)
This is such an awful situation, as the days go by it just seems bleaker that Haleigh will be found safely. Still hoping though.

[Mayasmimi]

Thanks for responding Adalena. I've been trying to post my thoughts on both Misty's and Ron's behaviours and expressions (both in words and gestural) a few times but my posts just seem to get lost in the speed of the threads, (lol I'm just not that fast!, and I guess I'm pretty unknown here amongst all the regulars)
This is such an awful situation, as the days go by it just seems bleaker that Haleigh will be found safely. Still hoping though.

I doubt Haleigh will be found alive. Tragic. Someone knows what happened. Hope it's not Ron or Misty. I've been a tad concerned about the visitors to the home earlier in the evening, not to mention the 44 nearby registered sex offenders.

[BJames]

Good morning to all, I didn't see a Sunday thread so I thought I might post here :smile:

Folks have been asking for 'first impressions' when this missing child case first hit?
I honestly had thought that this little girl had wandered off, maybe got herself into some danger (water?)....
When I first saw the interview with Misty my thought was how very young this girl is, even for 17 she appears very child like to me. This gal is not 'worldly' by any means, I just can not see her pulling off any kind of deep deception...I think she would crack on the second question...let alone polygraph.
The only question I truly had of her is wondering if the little girl was indeed sleeping when Misty fell asleep...and what the bedtime 'routine' normally would have been? Was it bath and maybe a snack time...maybe they read a story before bed? Did Misty normally fall asleep with the children? Or did she wait until they were asleep before she laid down?
Lots of questions and no answers as of yet anyways...I so hope Haleigh is found safe and sound today. What a total nightmare these folks are living, none of them will ever be the same.


Just my opinion of course...

[crymeariver2006]

The police report says Crystal Sheffields' dob is 8/30/89.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

I wonder which is correct :confused:

And who would have given them that date if not Crystal?

The same people who couldn't give the 911 operator Haleigh's birthday?

Or Ron's mother who provided the photo of Haleigh for the flyer?

Is it a typo? Has it ever been corrected?

[jammies]

I started a new Sunday thread.


Hope we hear some good news today.

[jammies]

Good morning to all, I didn't see a Sunday thread so I thought I might post here :smile:

Folks have been asking for 'first impressions' when this missing child case first hit?
I honestly had thought that this little girl had wandered off, maybe got herself into some danger (water?)....
When I first saw the interview with Misty my thought was how very young this girl is, even for 17 she appears very child like to me. This gal is not 'worldly' by any means, I just can not see her pulling off any kind of deep deception...I think she would crack on the second question...let alone polygraph.
The only question I truly had of her is wondering if the little girl was indeed sleeping when Misty fell asleep...and what the bedtime 'routine' normally would have been? Was it bath and maybe a snack time...maybe they read a story before bed? Did Misty normally fall asleep with the children? Or did she wait until they were asleep before she laid down?
Lots of questions and no answers as of yet anyways...I so hope Haleigh is found safe and sound today. What a total nightmare these folks are living, none of them will ever be the same.


Just my opinion of course...


Wandering off was my first reaction also. Haven't heard if Ron and Misty immediately looked outside, ran to the river etc. That would have been my first instinct upon finding the door open. It may be the reason for 1/2 hour til the 911 call; they were searching. ???

Ron says he locked the door but kids can do the darndest things. A five year old is capable of unlocking ANY door, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

I know. I'm just wondering. It struck me as not ringing true but I understand that everyone's different. Children that age sleepwalk sometimes. Maybe he doesn't know that possibility.
In creepy situations (for lack of better term) it struck me how the mind works at trying to minimize horror. It's a way of protecting itself I believe.

*Bolded mine

That could be why Misty slept in the same room with her. If he was working nights, he might not even be aware that Haleigh did this.

(Just IMO)

[jammies]

If H. was a sleepwalker the bedroom door should have been locked.

(shoulda, coulda, woulda)

[jammies]

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