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sunstar

02-14-2009, 07:04 PM

That map and the redacted information on the docs. regarding the dogs sure does make Johns look like a possibility as well. I hope this one doesn't turn out as ANOTHER one where the live child was just blocks (or less) away while people were searching. I know most kids don't survive a high level offense anyway, but it seems harder to cope with knowing they were so close to finding them...YKWIM?
Le having to wait for warrants on SO when a child is missing in the area burns me up. That OUGHT to be one right they give up forever. LE shouold be able to conduct a respectable and careful search of the property of any local SO in such cases.
The likelihood of re-offense is just too high to pretend there is true rehabilitation and a return to "normal" behavior and normal llife.
JMO.

I so agree with you about the rights of SO and LE should be able to search any time a child goes missing within a certain radius of where they live. They do re-offend more often than not. MOO

IlliniFan

02-14-2009, 07:04 PM

SavannahStar

02-14-2009, 07:06 PM

Many people have posted this observation, but I also wonder if Misty wouldn't just fold like a house of cards under interrogation?

But, then again, we don't really know this girl, other than our observations.

Oh I think she'd fold easily. No, we don't know her though. But she appears (to me anyway) to be so very young and has a certain immaturity about her.

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:06 PM

I don't know but I'm skeered. :scared:

I'm impressed! :thumbup:

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 07:09 PM

WOW!!.......how spooky!!.......hey can you keep us posted on the local news?.....Hopefully LE will nail this down real soon and send a message to your community that they arn`t fooling around when it comes to criminals and missing children and you will be even safer for it! Just the way they have gone all out should send that message!Tree,the cable news have about as much info as local, just more video of friends,family and such with local. I will post anything I hear.

bchand

02-14-2009, 07:10 PM

But I thought that was disabled except holiday boards.

It's available on some boards. I gave Frankie a purty birthday picture !

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:10 PM

Oh I think she'd fold easily. No, we don't know her though. But she appears (to me anyway) to be so very young and has a certain immaturity about her.

ITA! I think she would have been arested by now. we are on day 5.

TealMermaid

02-14-2009, 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=ViennaGal;12785001]I've googled and googled and googled out. But I heard on either NG or one of the news shows something about either the bio mother, Misty or Haleigh being born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. If someone else can find it I would appreciate it but I KNOW I heard it.[/QUOTE/]

Interesting. I'd like to know more about this too.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 07:11 PM

Oh I think she'd fold easily. No, we don't know her though. But she appears (to me anyway) to be so very young and has a certain immaturity about her.

I totally agree, that she would fold easily. My 80 year old mother can't believe that the police couldn't crack the OC.

TealMermaid

02-14-2009, 07:14 PM

I'd say it was verbal abuse if we knew for fact it happened all the time, that it was a pattern. I'm willing to take the chance that this might be an isolated incident, and due to the extreme emotions of having his child go missing in the middle of the night. We just don't know.

I agree. I'd be pretty upset if I arrived home in the middle of the night, and was told my child was missing.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 07:14 PM

I'll be quiet until the first person posts some glittery icon that takes up half a page, LOL. Then I'm going medieval on 'em. :laugh:

Please don't turn me in. I tried to delete and it was too late. :blushing:

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:15 PM

The Absconder/Fugitive Information Detail indicates an Offense Date of 09/03/2002 for both offenses.

It says he doesent have a registered vehicle either! How does he get around? The store is pretty far away! JMO

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:15 PM

I'll be quiet until the first person posts some glittery icon that takes up half a page, LOL. Then I'm going medieval on 'em. :laugh:

:laugh::laugh:

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:17 PM

I saw that. If you Google Map his address, then click on Street Level, you can see a picture of his house. And a van in the driveway.

A van? whoa....

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:19 PM

Thanks Hi!......I am so interested in interviews with Misty or Ron`s side. I am wondering why they do not try and clear up the mis info......Unless they cannot!!

Dag Nabbit, I still want to know about her brother and the van that has her blanket in it...:glare:

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:20 PM

A van? whoa....

But under his info it says he doesnt have a registered vehicle. because they would put his tag number and everything on there.jmo. maybe its a relatives house?

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 07:20 PM

You may know Rodeheaver Boys Ranch? I went there many years for the Civil War reenactments.SS, I have heard about it but have never been there personally. I know one of my sons has been there for several events. I hear it is really nice. Does good work with troubled kids.
Think I may just wander over there one day.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 07:22 PM

WOW ............ and she's still hugging and kissing on him? Obviously she hasn't read the police report :bored:

I have a bad bad feeling about her.

Maybe it's just language they're both so accustomed to it doesn't mean anything to her? Personally I couldn't believe what he was saying to the 911 operator, but that's just me. :eek: MOO

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:23 PM

Hey tree,

It does bother me Ron talks like this to and about Misty. I know he is worried but it just seems to me if you never talked this way to begin with you wouldn't being calling the woman you are suppose to love these names.

Probably has nothing to do with the Haleigh missing but it does point to an abusive relationship. Verbal abuse if nothing else.

imo
Careful there!
Lot's of people seem to think it is perfectly acceptable under the circumstances.

Me? I think it speaks volumes about this relationship.
Misty is not an equal partner.
Imagine how terrified she must have been.
He turned on her like that and it's not abuse?
I know it's Valentine's Day, but some are seeing this couple through glasses tinted young love pink.

I do commend RC for trying hard to do his best for his family.
Misty is not his family.

I'm not bashing him.
I'm just saying that there were 3 children living with him.
One of whom had way too much responsibility on her shoulders.

I have no idea what happened to Haleigh.
I do know that it is now full dark in N FL and she is still missing.
It's wet and rainy and dark and cold outside.
I pray Haleigh is found soon.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 07:25 PM

LOL

ConchGirl did you use photobucket? If you did, and happened to copy and paste from the wrong box the whole image comes over. I did it this morning but for some reason did the only preview I probl'y ever have and .......... hooooooooooooly crap .... delete!!! Yours is probably just fine though because it's relevant to this case. Sorry, but you made me laugh. Very informative pic!!

I just hyperlinked a photobucket img like I normally do. :shrug: If I'm in camp tomorrow at least everyone will know why.

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:26 PM

He's not licensed to drive, either, but he borrowed a friends car and went to Wal-Mart. When he called her to say the car was broken, she headed over but he wasn't there and hasn't been seen since.

Im talking about the one on the same street as haleigh. kyle johns. they said there was a van in his driveway. I was wondering if he walked around alot. but i guess he lives with someone with a vehicle. jmo

TunaMelt

02-14-2009, 07:26 PM

I vote for no connection at all. Until I hear otherwise. It's interesting conjecture......so far, that's it.

You know a lot has been said about how we all have so many SO's living around us, and that is true. So we hear of a child gone missing....and look at the SO's. But how much MORE often does it happen that the SO's have nothing to do with the crime? Hmmm?

NOT defending SO's......I hate 'em as much as the next person. Just sayin I'm not jumping to any conclusions.

Registered sex offenders are 'registered' so that their whereabouts are known since they tend to repeat their crimes.

You already know this, so I don't get the point of your comment.

Just to say again that you don't believe anything until LE says it's true?

* Sigh *

FYI:

I'm not saying this guy in the perv pic did it -- but I'd say the chance of him doing it is far better than almost anyone else.

SavannahStar

02-14-2009, 07:27 PM

SS, I have heard about it but have never been there personally. I know one of my sons has been there for several events. I hear it is really nice. Does good work with troubled kids.
Think I may just wander over there one day.

Unfortunately, they stopped having the CW reenactments there a year or so ago. But it is a WONDERFUL place, and yes they do awesome work with troubled boys. The land is simply beautiful. That's my own relationship to Palatka.....I have some great memories.

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:28 PM

Don't forget the "armed burglary" which means he also had a weapon on this child under 12 and probably didn't know her/him very well....the poor child.:sad:

BTW, I reported Chad's myspace to the admin.
I wonder if LE has asked MS to keep his page up.
They may hope to track him if he is checking it for messages.
*rusty brain creaks but can't get into gear*
Wasn't some perp on the lam recently busted by doing just that?
Who was it?
Did I dream it? :scared:

OneUp

02-14-2009, 07:29 PM

ITA! I think she would have been arested by now. we are on day 5.That is one reason i'm not considering Ronald or Misty suspects. This happened in their home, on their watch, with less than 12 hours (much less) for opportunity.
They're also pretty unsophisticated, so IMO even if they had a pretty good story and tried to cover, LE would be looking at them closely and likely have taken action after so many days. 5 days says to me either little evidence and LE is waiting/searching for more, an unknown perp., or both.
When family is involved ( at least family of the home) LE tends to close in pretty quick. There are notable exceptions, but also we all know it's much harder to keep a secret between two than with one alone. I don't see ANY way for only one of them to have pulled this off alone.
The longer this goes, the more it looks like someone who is a erlative stranger to the family...maybe not unknown to them, but not someone they are around on a daily basis and would leave the kids with.
JMO.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 07:30 PM

I thought that was the other SO? Oh gaw. Are we going to have to make up a chart for the SO's, too? SOOO confusing.

I'm getting confused too especially when more than one of them's being discussed and referred to as "he". :confused: :smile:

SavannahStar

02-14-2009, 07:30 PM

Careful there!
Lot's of people seem to think it is perfectly acceptable under the circumstances.

Me? I think it speaks volumes about this relationship.
Misty is not an equal partner.
Imagine how terrified she must have been.
He turned on her like that and it's not abuse?
I know it's Valentine's Day, but some are seeing this couple through glasses tinted young love pink.

I do commend RC for trying hard to do his best for his family.
Misty is not his family.

I'm not bashing him.
I'm just saying that there were 3 children living with him.
One of whom had way too much responsibility on her shoulders.

I have no idea what happened to Haleigh.
I do know that it is now full dark in N FL and she is still missing.
It's wet and rainy and dark and cold outside.
I pray Haleigh is found soon.

I don't think those that disagree are seeing the couple "through glasses tinted young love pink."

It's a different opinion, that's all.

We don't know the norm in that relationship. We have seen glimpses, and glimpses only.

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 07:31 PM

Thanks Hi!......I am so interested in interviews with Misty or Ron`s side. I am wondering why they do not try and clear up the mis info......Unless they cannot!!Tree, I doubt these kids even know about miss information. I think right now they are scare to death for Haleigh and she is all they are thinking about.
I was going over Tuesday night for the vigil but was sick. Maybe I will go over tomorrow and get nosy,just for all you guys.:wink:

OneUp

02-14-2009, 07:31 PM

I totally agree, that she would fold easily. My 80 year old mother can't believe that the police couldn't crack the OC....but look at who SHE is used to having interrogate her. The OSCO is a piece of cake in comparison to that mother.
I don't think Misty has enough self control of her reactions to hide much from LE for long.'
JMO.

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:32 PM

That is one reason i'm not considering Ronald or Misty suspects. This happened in their home, on their watch, with less than 12 hours (much less) for opportunity.
They're also pretty unsophisticated, so IMO even if they had a pretty good story and tried to cover, LE would be looking at them closely and likely have taken action after so many days. 5 days says to me either little evidence and LE is waiting/searching for more, an unknown perp., or both.
When family is involved ( at least family of the home) LE tends to close in pretty quick. There are notable exceptions, but also we all know it's much harder to keep a secret between two than with one alone. I don't see ANY way for only one of them to have pulled this off alone.
The longer this goes, the more it looks like someone who is a erlative stranger to the family...maybe not unknown to them, but not someone they are around on a daily basis and would leave the kids with.
JMO.

I agree! They were on to casey right away. I believe the longer this goes on the more its a stranger.jmo

fierce1

02-14-2009, 07:32 PM

You may know Rodeheaver Boys Ranch? I went there many years for the Civil War reenactments.

*sighs*

:rolleyes:

Queen of off topic. Can you take it to pm's so you don't get this board shut down too? tia.

desmom

02-14-2009, 07:33 PM

A big thanks to Bluwaters for posting the news articles from the presser this afternoon. I had to leave and missed it.

I have been playing catch up and understand that Chad the SO is not the boyfriend of Haleigh's Mom. Is Chad the SO the one that has been missing since Super Bowl Sunday? TIA

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:33 PM

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Hi Kitty.........Ok what van and banket??.....heard about the brother(s?) and nepwes but that was it......I have not heard any more than they had been there and so was the cooler guy but thats it.

Misti said "they" took her blanket with them in the van....

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Hmmm. From your link.

"All the sex offenders (in the area) have been interviewed and their residences have been searched," Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said earlier. "They're cleared as far as us contacting them and speaking to them."
I don't think that anyone has been cleared.
Dominick Pape, head of FDLE's Jacksonville unit said that the world is the suspect. (paraphrase)
I think that LE has conducted many, many interviews.
There has not yet been an arrest.
No one, to my knowledge, from RC, Misty, their families, the A/C man, the mother's family, the perp down the street, or the perp missing from across the state has yet been cleared.

SavannahStar

02-14-2009, 07:37 PM

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:37 PM

wonder if chad knew kyle johns in jail? wouldnt they have been there about the same time? jmo

AMS

02-14-2009, 07:38 PM

[QUOTE=TealMermaid;12785260]

IIRC it was Turner Syndrome...not Fetal Alcohol Syndrome..and due to this Haleigh required to be followed closely to monitor her cardiac status..amongst other things...here's the lowdown on Turner's Syndrome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turners_Syndrome

LMS:sad:

Thanks for the link. I have never heard of TS but it seems it is not that uncommon (1 in 2500).

It is sad.

IMO

SavannahStar

02-14-2009, 07:39 PM

Tree, I doubt these kids even know about miss information. I think right now they are scare to death for Haleigh and she is all they are thinking about.
I was going over Tuesday night for the vigil but was sick. Maybe I will go over tomorrow and get nosy,just for all you guys.:wink:

Look forward to your on-the-scene report. :smile:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:42 PM

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 07:42 PM

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:43 PM

Do you play bingo?
I never have, but am thinking of going tomorrow night to Palatka's Bingo Palace.
What super peeps for make this weekend a fund raiser for Haleigh.

Are you from palatka? I was born there and lived there for a while.

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:45 PM

jewel6

02-14-2009, 07:45 PM

Yes that was me. And yes, I got him confused with the other dude 1.5 hours away, sorry!. Kyle doesn't have a vehicle registered either.

Its ok i get confused with all of this info too! Im probally gonna dream it all tonight. jmo

esmile

02-14-2009, 07:50 PM

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:52 PM

Are you from palatka? I was born there and lived there for a while.
I'm from Jax.
I love Palatka, it's beautiful.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 07:54 PM

Hey SS- what is SO's?

Sex Offender

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:55 PM

I think so! Seriously, I think it's a stretch to try to connect some SO who committed crimes before Haleigh was born to having met the father, etc., etc. As someone else here stated either, the only coincidences are: similar in age, and committed crimes in Putnam. My money is on the dude who lives only 4 houses away AND the dogs went right by his house AND the cops blacked out that fact AND they also blacked out Misty's answer of where she used to walk with Haleigh.

I haven't checked out the other 43 who live within 5 miles, either. Has anyone else?
I made a start, but it made me feel sick and I just couldn't do it.
LE has checked and they know about Chad the missing SO.
I'm going to leave it there for now. :tongueside:

desmom

02-14-2009, 07:56 PM

That's the one, Desmom.

Thank you.

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 07:58 PM

Only joking Aubrey...however who knows...

such a kidder, you! :punch:

GentleBreeze

02-14-2009, 08:00 PM

Well I am glad that some on the infighting is subsiding some.

This family on both sides needs to come together for Haleigh's sake.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/0/NEWS01

Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of search
(12:45 p.m.) Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

MoonFlwr

02-14-2009, 08:01 PM

I know on this board I had people scratching their heads, because in my "business", SO stands for "significant other", as in partner, spouse, etc., and I used it for that purpose. "Is your SO bringing you flowers for Valentine's Day?" has a whole different meaning depending on the board you post on, lol.

Yeah..very confusing! In my experience SO is way more widely used to mean 'significant other' than 'sex offender'. Perhaps, for purposes of sanity :P we could modify the sex offender abbreviation....hmmm.. SOf ?!

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:02 PM

Me too. I'm already in deeper than I should be, probably. :unsure:
My SO is getting a bit PO'd about it.
I wonder if he will be suspicious of me for wanting to do something fun and spontaneous for a change.....
like, oh, IDK,
driving down to Palatka on Sunday evening to play bingo? :cool:

johnielee333

02-14-2009, 08:03 PM

Love & Prayers For Haleigh & Her Family. :rose:

aubrey04

02-14-2009, 08:03 PM

MISSING TOT, 5, ABDUCTED FROM HER OWN BED

Nancy Grace is repeating her show from earlier in the week. They're showing interviews with TOT DAD right now.

desmom

02-14-2009, 08:04 PM

I know on this board I had people scratching their heads, because in my "business", SO stands for "significant other", as in partner, spouse, etc., and I used it for that purpose. "Is your SO bringing you flowers for Valentine's Day?" has a whole different meaning depending on the board you post on, lol.

It had me confused too. I couldn't figure out why everyone was so concerned about Chad the SO. Finally a light bulb went off and I realized SO was not "significant other".

aubrey04

02-14-2009, 08:04 PM

Yeah..very confusing! In my experience SO is way more widely used to mean 'significant other' than 'sex offender'. Perhaps, for purposes of sanity :P we could modify the sex offender abbreviation....hmmm.. SOf ?!

RSO is the standard abbreviation for sex offenders. Registered Sex Offender.. of course, some might not be registered. :scared:

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:05 PM

My SO is getting a bit PO'd about it.
I wonder if he will be suspicious of me for wanting to do something fun and spontaneous for a change.....
like, oh, IDK,
driving down to Palatka on Sunday evening to play bingo? :cool:

I wouldn't count on it. :rolleyes:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:06 PM

Love & Prayers For Haleigh & Her Family. :rose:
Hey there superfly! :loveeyes:
Still holding to your theory or have you changed your mind any?

MoonFlwr

02-14-2009, 08:08 PM

RSO is the standard abbreviation for sex offenders. Registered Sex Offender.. of course, some might not be registered. :scared:

Hey! Maybe we could work with that one! lol

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:08 PM

I don't know if I buy the theory the door WAS locked. I can see that falling between the cracks in various ways. Getting up to potty, usually occurs when you feel the urge in a light stage of REM sleep and we don't know what stage she could have been in if a break-in occurred. I tend to agree about someone knowing the house.

You're getting mighty close to potty talk again. :ohmy:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:11 PM

RSO is the standard abbreviation for sex offenders. Registered Sex Offender.. of course, some might not be registered. :scared:
A whole lot of them haven't done anything different from what RC is doing with Misty right now. :chicken: But, that's all good...
It's the predators that scare the carp out of me.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:12 PM

hi all, I am always amazed at how much info is found by the posters here. I have been reading for hours. I'd like to know what you think about a few things:

How did anyone get in a locked house with no signs of forced entry? Someone had to have let them in.

Aren't people who wake up to use the bathroom lite sleepers? So wouldn't the same person wake up at sounds near their room or in their room?

Their house is not near much... yet someone knew to go to the exact door that led to the child's bed. This person knows the family imho.

Some locks aren't that hard to pick open, especially if the cheaper ones were used on the mobile home. But I'm still thinking it's possible the door was unlocked. I'd also like to know if somebody inside the house normally propped open the screen door or if the cinder block was normally kept near the house. What I found most odd about the g/f's statements were when she said the kitchen light was on, something I wouldn't think a stranger who didn't want to get caught would do. MOO

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:13 PM

Someone asked for a Who is Who list. From the links thread, I came up with these names. Please feel free to add or correct.

Haleigh's Family:

Cummings, Crystal - Ronald Cummings’ sister

Cummings, Ronald – Haleigh’s father

Cummings, Ronald Jr. (referred to as "Junior") - Haleigh’s brother

Sheffield, Crystal – Haleigh’s mother

Croslin, Misty - Ronald Cummings girlfriend

Griffis, Marie - Haleigh's maternal grandmother

Neves, Teresa – Haleigh’s grandmother

Sheffield, Connie - Haleigh's step-grandmother

Sheffield, Johnny - Haleigh's grandfather

LE names from news articles:

Hardy, Jeff - Putnam County Sheriff

Merchant, John – Detective, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Rose, Steve – Captain, Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Bumping post to help clarify.

jewel6

02-14-2009, 08:13 PM

I just looked at all the dang offenders in that area. :scared: They were all convicted of children. some looked to be way old. Dang that was really depressing. jmo You just never know.

johnielee333

02-14-2009, 08:13 PM

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:14 PM

.. and to add to our list of sOFFs, here's another one that's only about 5 blocks away:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045

and he's shown as having FIVE vehicles.

LE said some of the SO's came up right away to be cleared before they even contacted them...Wonder if these 2 did?

esmile

02-14-2009, 08:14 PM

I don't know if I buy the theory the door WAS locked. I can see that falling between the cracks in various ways. Getting up to potty, usually occurs when you feel the urge in a light stage of REM sleep and we don't know what stage she could have been in if a break-in occurred. I tend to agree about someone knowing the house.

If they used that door when the brother or nephew came over earlier, you could very well be right, that no one locked it back up.

aubrey04

02-14-2009, 08:14 PM

A whole lot of them haven't done anything different from what RC is doing with Misty right now. :chicken: But, that's all good...
It's the predators that scare the carp out of me.

ITA.. I am surprised he's not on the list too... This case is so different than Caylee Anthony's - it was real quick we knew who the perp was. Now I am lost on who could have done this.. I haven't ruled family out yet either.

:mad:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:14 PM

You're getting mighty close to potty talk again. :ohmy:
:laugh:
I don't think the door was locked.
I think that Misty possibly unlocked it - maybe for some air when she went to wash the stinky blanket ? - and she is afraid to tell RC that she forgot to lock it again.

aubrey04

02-14-2009, 08:15 PM

Happy Saturday all. I think I'm not good at these threads because I don't see a reason to immediately connect this SO chad with Haleigh. But you guys know better than I. When it comes out they can connect it then I'll be back. You can't beat an almost dead horse until there is news. :wub:

:confused:

Yeah okay.. :seeya:

johnielee333

02-14-2009, 08:16 PM

Hey there superfly! :loveeyes:
Still holding to your theory or have you changed your mind any?

:) lol ! :patriot: well i havent read everything about this case but i still think the girlfriend did something or knows something. JMO

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:16 PM

A whole lot of them haven't done anything different from what RC is doing with Misty right now. :chicken: But, that's all good...
It's the predators that scare the carp out of me.

I read you loud and clear ~ and agree! :wink:

Howiefan

02-14-2009, 08:16 PM

from this link it says Crystal's mother Connie is 29????
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...sense_of_gloom

aubrey04

02-14-2009, 08:17 PM

:laugh:
I don't think the door was locked.
I think that Misty possibly unlocked it - maybe for some air when she went to wash the stinky blanket ? - and she is afraid to tell RC that she forgot to lock it again.

Yeah, I think you might be right. There was no forced entry, so either the perp had a key or the door was unlocked.. I have a feeling the door was unlocked too.

lonetraveler

02-14-2009, 08:18 PM

Now, did she say she was 'surprised to see...' or did she just say that 'she saw..' I can't recall now, I got the impression that she saw it on and that allowed her to see the door open but the video stopped before she answered the question more fully.

---
She didn't make it to the bathroom because she "noticed" the kitchen light on and then noticed that the door was open.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:20 PM

.. and to add to our list of sOFFs, here's another one that's only about 5 blocks away:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=27045

and he's shown as having FIVE vehicles.

The newest car he has is a 1993 Chevy Pickup. The others seem to be yard ornaments. imo

esmile

02-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Hi Esmile.Yes I agree with you.

Also how odd that this intruder knew better that Misty who was sleeping where. Misty says had she heard something she would have saved he.........how?......and why not protect the little boy by calling 911. Instead she waits for Ron and runs out just as he drives up. Why would she leave Jr. out of her sight. What a coincidence that all this goes down when the dad drives up!

I think the sorry from mom`s side is a very well orchastrated plan to gt Misty to let down her guard and keep her talkiing to the media......LE or whoever. The more that girl talks the beter!!

I agree, too many coincidences, and the more Misti reveals the more they are going to have to go with. Especially if Misti is holding anything back that she witnessed and is afraid to tell.

I see these possible scenarios shaping up.

1. Misti's brothers/nephew is involved - they live right behind them and were there earlier in the day and would have used that door.

2. It's the bio mom and an accomplice - she had contempt charges filed against her in court on the same day of the abduction giving a possible motive to remove the child to avoid paying child support.

3. It's the perp down the street - he watched and waited for an opportunity and has her hidden somewhere.

4. It's Chad Reynolds the missing perp - he worked out a plan to take the child and is on the run.

It's so scary to think there could be this many scenarios.

lonetraveler

02-14-2009, 08:21 PM

:laugh:
I don't think the door was locked.
I think that Misty possibly unlocked it - maybe for some air when she went to wash the stinky blanket ? - and she is afraid to tell RC that she forgot to lock it again.

---
Hi bluwaters, it has been stated that the AC repairman had been there the day that Hayleigh became missing. Was the AC repaired or could the AC being down be a reason that the door may have been propped open?

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:21 PM

The newest car he has is a 1993 Chevy Pickup. The others seem to be yard ornaments. imo

His 4 other cars are yard ornaments? :confused:

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:22 PM

:laugh:
I don't think the door was locked.
I think that Misty possibly unlocked it - maybe for some air when she went to wash the stinky blanket ? - and she is afraid to tell RC that she forgot to lock it again.

I think she might have left it unlocked after possibly going outside to smoke, but , if that's what happened, the truth will come out if LE can't find any sign of forced entry. MOO

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:23 PM

His 4 other cars are yard ornaments? :confused:

No tags registered means junk cars to me.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:23 PM

I think she might have left it unlocked after possibly going outside to smoke, but , if that's what happened, the truth will come out if LE can't find any sign of forced entry. MOO

I think LE has already said there wasn't any forced entry...:wink:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:23 PM

HAHAHA! Made me laugh! I've been lucky my whole family has their own laptops, and everyone has their own addictions right now, lol. We all leave each other to our own devices and just meet in the kitchen when we come up for air. See, addiction can be your friend. :laugh:<bad Mommy Lavenia>

Do you live upstairs in my house?
I don't go up there.
We call each other on cell phones if it's urgent, otherwise, we email.
We do meet in the kitchen and fight about who didn't do the dishes.

Interesting theory TREE TREE about the apology.
Wow! You may be on to something there.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:24 PM

No tags registered means junk cars to me.

I hope the trunks have been checked!!!!!

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:26 PM

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She didn't make it to the bathroom because she "noticed" the kitchen light on and then noticed that the door was open.

Something's not quite right with this. MOO

esmile

02-14-2009, 08:26 PM

i think whatever happened to Haleigh happened earlier in the day/evening. JMO

Fascinating. This crossed my mind too - that the middle of the night story was concocted to cover their own lack of watching her? In other words, she went out to play earlier that day and never came back or something of that nature. They panicked hoping she would return and she didn't so they finally decided when Ron got home to call and get help.

The only thing is, seems they are passing lie detector tests satisfactorily.

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 08:26 PM

Do you play bingo?
I never have, but am thinking of going tomorrow night to Palatka's Bingo Palace.
What super peeps for make this weekend a fund raiser for Haleigh.

They were having nightly vigil`s. I will check and see if they still are. I will be going right over the bridge tomorrow,going to Deland. I will take a few minutes to do a little socializing and see what the rumors are.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:27 PM

I think LE has already said there wasn't any forced entry...:wink:

You're right! :smile: So somebody must have unlocked the door from the inside.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:29 PM

I hope the trunks have been checked!!!!!

I hope so too. For such a small town there seems to be way too many predators within 5 miles. LE has their work cut out for them. Jessica Lunsford wasn't located for 3 weeks and she was across the street.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Couey

Howiefan

02-14-2009, 08:29 PM

Could someone please answer my question above.. thank you

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:32 PM

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Hi bluwaters, it has been stated that the AC repairman had been there the day that Hayleigh became missing. Was the AC repaired or could the AC being down be a reason that the door may have been propped open?
There's another good reason for the door to be left open.

How coincidental is it that the one and only time the door is left unlocked at night is the one night someone decides to kidnap Haleigh? :confused:

desmom

02-14-2009, 08:34 PM

Could someone please answer my question above.. thank you

What was your question?

openminded

02-14-2009, 08:35 PM

from this link it says Crystal's mother Connie is 29????
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...sense_of_gloom

I believe that's Crystal's stepmother (her mother is around 45 from what I remember).

OneUp

02-14-2009, 08:35 PM

You're right! :smile: So somebody must have unlocked the door from the inside.
...or the intruder/abductor got in another way. Front door unlocked?...old key?...spare key for emergency? Do we know if EVERY way into the home was checked for forcing? I've lived in plenty of rentals with old pry marks around the door back in the day.
There ARE other ways to gain egress...I tend to think the door got left unlocked and everyone is busy convincing THEMSELVES they didn't do so. It's hard enough to deal with guilt about a missing child when you really didn't do anything wrong, even harder if you know you made a mistake I bet.
JMO.

Howiefan

02-14-2009, 08:36 PM

What was your question?
thank you Post # 773

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:37 PM

Fascinating. This crossed my mind too - that the middle of the night story was concocted to cover their own lack of watching her? In other words, she went out to play earlier that day and never came back or something of that nature. They panicked hoping she would return and she didn't so they finally decided when Ron got home to call and get help.

The only thing is, seems they are passing lie detector tests satisfactorily.

*bolded to address*
or, they think they are passing LTDs.
LE hasn't said that anyone has passed, nor have they said anyone has been ruled out.

openminded

02-14-2009, 08:37 PM

I think Connie is Ron's sister.

Adding to the confusion of names, I think Ron's sister is named Crystal Cummings (with the mother, obviously, being Crystal Sheffield and Connie Sheffield being her stepmother).

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:37 PM

LOL. I'm even lucky on the dishes. Hubby really took up the household slack for me when I was so sick, that his way is now the only way. Even if I load it, he will re-do it, so he can have at it. I told him today I wasn't going to rassle him over it, lol. He's the same way about the laundry and cooking his dinner so I take full advantage of my family's dysfuctions. Computer addicted kids and Dad and anal-retentive hubby...Works for me! :laugh: (Oh and grocery shopping for good measure!)

This isn't really O/T because I consider it instructive, lol.

My DH resembles your remark. If you can't do it right don't do it at all is my motto. :laugh: I pray that Haleigh will be home safe, but the longer it goes the worse I feel. jmo

IlliniFan

02-14-2009, 08:39 PM

Adding to the confusion of names, I think Ron's sister is named Crystal Cummings (with the mother, obviously, being Crystal Sheffield and Connie Sheffield being her stepmother).

I tried to delete my post. I realized I messed up. I really do need a chart!!!

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 08:40 PM

i think whatever happened to Haleigh happened earlier in the day/evening. JMO
*goosebumps*
Has anyone said how long Misty was alone with the other children before RC came home?
What time did her brother and nephews and the A/C guy leave?
Who took Misty's blanket in a van and why?

kellabeck

02-14-2009, 08:40 PM

Fascinating. This crossed my mind too - that the middle of the night story was concocted to cover their own lack of watching her? In other words, she went out to play earlier that day and never came back or something of that nature. They panicked hoping she would return and she didn't so they finally decided when Ron got home to call and get help.

The only thing is, seems they are passing lie detector tests satisfactorily.

I don't think "they" but "she." And yes, earlier is when it happened but I don't imagine something as accidental as described. I imagine she was killed actively.

I can't imagine why Misty would not call 911 if all that happened was Haleigh just disappeared.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:40 PM

Could someone please answer my question above.. thank you

It's her step-mother who's 29 y/o. :smile:

openminded

02-14-2009, 08:41 PM

Adding to the confusion of names, I think Ron's sister is named Crystal Cummings (with the mother, obviously, being Crystal Sheffield and Connie Sheffield being her stepmother).

I'm with you!!

gaelicpeas

02-14-2009, 08:42 PM

FYI..the link you posted when I opened..has nothing there regarding this case...so have no idea what you are referring to..There are more than one Chrystal in this case...Haleigh's mother..and anther related to Robert..I think its a sister, or step-sister..Someone needs to corect me on that...

Connie..not sure????

LMS:confused:Don't know if it means anything, but there were also 2 Crystals/Krystals on that RSO Reynolds myspace listed as friends. Just throwing this out there...

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:42 PM

Two visitors to the search site today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18708433/detail.html

I wonder what the things were LE took from the house...I hadn't heard anymore about that..

desmom

02-14-2009, 08:42 PM

thank you Post # 773

Post #773

from this link it says Crystal's mother Connie is 29????
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...sense_of_gloom

The article says "Connie Sheffield, 29, the stepmother of Haleigh’s mother"

Hope that helps.

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:43 PM

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:44 PM

*goosebumps*
Has anyone said how long Misty was alone with the other children before RC came home?
What time did her brother and nephews and the A/C guy leave?
Who took Misty's blanket in a van and why?

It seems like she said her brother and kids came by around 5 and left like 30-45 minutes later...

TunaMelt

02-14-2009, 08:44 PM

Two visitors to the search site today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18708433/detail.html

I wouldn't want them around, if I were these families.

I just wouldn't want them around me, my family -- anywhere around.

I mean, why? would I want to listen to them of all people?

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:45 PM

It's her step-mother who's 29 y/o. :smile:

This is a rough draft from the docs so I'll call it JMO

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03
Ronald Lemyles Cummings Father of Haleigh 10/29/83
Ronald Cummings, Jr. Son of Ronald and Crystal Sheffield 2/15/05
Crystal Cummings Aunt of Haleigh Ron’s sister
Misty Jeanette Croslin girlfriend 17 12/9/91
Teresa Ann Neves 3/7/60 Ronald’s mother
Marie Griffis Haleigh’s maternal grandmother
Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother There is an ongoing rift between Haleigh’s mother and father, who are legally separated, but not divorced. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html
Johnny Sheffield Haleigh’s grandfather Maternal
Connie Sheffield Haleigh’s step grandmorther

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823 video of Misty

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:45 PM

RC shifts is from 4 p.m. to 3 a.m.- so I am guessing he left about 3:30 for work. Roughly 12 hrs.

I am not sure what time the A/C was there- but the brother was reported as coming by after 5 p.m. and staying for about a half hour.

The van is my big question and I don't think that we know much about who or why the blanket was in there.???? IMO

I want to know why misti's blanket was in the van too...And who the van belongs too..

HumblePie

02-14-2009, 08:45 PM

I can't believe that we are scrutinizing a 20 - 30 minute delay in calling authorities when Casey Anthony waited 31 days. jmo

Don't try to compare apples and oranges. Casey is an aberrancy.

Most of us would be on the phone with 911 in 2 minutes. It's that simple. No excuses are necessary. :cursing:

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:45 PM

...or the intruder/abductor got in another way. Front door unlocked?...old key?...spare key for emergency? Do we know if EVERY way into the home was checked for forcing? I've lived in plenty of rentals with old pry marks around the door back in the day.
There ARE other ways to gain egress...I tend to think the door got left unlocked and everyone is busy convincing THEMSELVES they didn't do so. It's hard enough to deal with guilt about a missing child when you really didn't do anything wrong, even harder if you know you made a mistake I bet.
JMO.

Oh I know there are plenty of ways to get inside a house if you really want to, including spare keys :smile: but somehow I think she knows what happened and didn't just accidentally discover it at the same time he was getting home from work. I also think RC has an idea the door was left unlocked when he called the g/f a "dumb b". MOO

breeze53

02-14-2009, 08:46 PM

*goosebumps*
Has anyone said how long Misty was alone with the other children before RC came home?
What time did her brother and nephews and the A/C guy leave?
Who took Misty's blanket in a van and why?

Could someone please explain to me where this van comes in to play? Who's van was it? thanks!

Howiefan

02-14-2009, 08:46 PM

It's her step-mother who's 29 y/o. :smile:
thank you sorry for the post.. I am still confused.....not by you folks... too tired me thinks... got an open house going on here tomorrow and have been working all day.
Thanks for your patience..:smile:

TunaMelt

02-14-2009, 08:46 PM

I can't believe that we are scrutinizing a 20 - 30 minute delay in calling authorities when Casey Anthony waited 31 days. jmo

I'd say that's exactly why we skeptics question any delay in calling 911.

That seems self evident.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:47 PM

Could someone please explain to me where this van comes in to play? Who's van was it? thanks!

I can't seem to find out..lol

openminded

02-14-2009, 08:47 PM

This is a rough draft from the docs so I'll call it JMO

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03
Ronald Lemyles Cummings Father of Haleigh 10/29/83
Ronald Cummings, Jr. Son of Ronald and Crystal Sheffield 2/15/05
Crystal Cummings Aunt of Haleigh Ron’s sister
Misty Jeanette Croslin girlfriend 17 12/9/91
Teresa Ann Neves 3/7/60 Ronald’s mother
Marie Griffis Haleigh’s maternal grandmother
Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother There is an ongoing rift between Haleigh’s mother and father, who are legally separated, but not divorced. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/12/amber_alert__search_for_haleigh_continues.html
Johnny Sheffield Haleigh’s grandfather Maternal
Connie Sheffield Haleigh’s step grandmorther

http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823 video of Misty

Thanks -- I needed that!!!

Gilly

02-14-2009, 08:49 PM

RC shifts is from 4 p.m. to 3 a.m.- so I am guessing he left about 3:30 for work. Roughly 12 hrs.

I am not sure what time the A/C was there- but the brother was reported as coming by after 5 p.m. and staying for about a half hour.

The van is my big question and I don't think that we know much about who or why the blanket was in there.???? IMO

Were there any police vans there? Perhaps she was talking about them taking the blanket. I haven't looked at any of the videos yet, probably look at them this evening as I don't have a date for Valentine's. :sad:

Happy Valentine's Day to all.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 08:50 PM

I don't think "they" but "she." And yes, earlier is when it happened but I don't imagine something as accidental as described. I imagine she was killed actively.

I can't imagine why Misty would not call 911 if all that happened was Haleigh just disappeared.I can, tho. it's not a reasonable thing to do to me as an adult and an experienced parent.
I think she went looking hoping to find Haleigh wandering off or hiding in the house/"into" something in the house before misty HAD to call LE or let Ronald know. Alot of young people try to "fix" things themselves before seeking help in a crisis, they just don't want to get in trouble or look bad and they're still in that "child" mindset..."oh, oh! Mom is gonna be mad when she see's the stupid thing I did!".
She may just have been so overwhelmed she simply couldn't decide WHAT to do too. It happens.
Or she could be covering up and fooling LE and Ronald too. I doubt it, but it's always a possibility until I hear LE rule it out.
AFAIK, she was only alone with the kids about 5 hours or less that night. Not alot of time to kill a child accidentally ( I sure couldn't see premed. here!), panic and decide what to do, and execute a plan and hide a body over 5 miles from home. Possibly w/o a car.....and then return to clean up the mess, all the while NEVER waking the younger child, carrying a deceased child ( Misty is pretty small...I carry bigger kids than Haleigh, but it is WORK for a small woman and not just easy). Not waking A child that is MORE than able to tell on her, and with not enough time to "coach" the child at all.
It just doesn't add up for me, even when I put an anonymous person in the place of Misty...add a less than brilliant (seeming) teenaged girl to that equasion and I'd say NO WAY. the only way she could be involved is if she had help, or she KNOWS who did this.
JMO.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 08:50 PM

Two visitors to the search site today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18708433/detail.html

Hi friend! :seeya: Without even looking at the link I can guess who they were. ;)

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:50 PM

No tags registered means junk cars to me.

I hope the trunks have been checked!!!!!

breeze53

02-14-2009, 08:51 PM

I can't seem to find out..lol

Me either:scared:

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 08:52 PM

from this link it says Crystal's mother Connie is 29????
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...sense_of_gloomFrom the same link "He said officials have not told any of the family not to talk with the media, though Croslin told the Times-Union Friday she was advised to not speak with reporters anymore."
Who is she??

OneUp

02-14-2009, 08:53 PM

Don't know if it means anything, but there were also 2 Crystals/Krystals on that RSO Reynolds myspace listed as friends. Just throwing this out there...You never know...it might mean something. Stranger things have happened.
Look at Duncan, NO relationship to the family he chose, and lived a great distance away. He basically went trolling through the entire Midwest IIRC, that family just got unlucky. It's a rare scenario, but it does happen.
I bet LE is on top of Reynolds page and anyone on it tho...just because he's high risk to violently re-offend ( IMO), and he is on the lamb.
JMO.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 08:55 PM

RC shifts is from 4 p.m. to 3 a.m.- so I am guessing he left about 3:30 for work. Roughly 12 hrs.

I am not sure what time the A/C was there- but the brother was reported as coming by after 5 p.m. and staying for about a half hour.

The van is my big question and I don't think that we know much about who or why the blanket was in there.???? IMO
So longer than I thought anyway...that Misty was alone with the kids. I had 8-9 in my head as the last time the girl was seen. But maybe that was Misty's report?
TY for the FYI.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 08:56 PM

TY and Happy V Day to you as well- Misti was describing the incidences before Haleigh went missing so this was not LE - it was something that had happened earlier in the evening on Monday. IMO

I'm wondering if the van was her brother's......

CanCan

02-14-2009, 08:56 PM

If Misty flunked the LD test LE is not going to tell us unless she is arrested and in protective custody. We are not talking about Casey`s family here. These people including the dad will be out for blood if she had anything to do with it.

Misty is being grilled by LE.......she then pops into the media to talk about stuff like blankets and bedwetting to try and clear up the stuff LE are most conflicted by. She changes her storey in the media thinking LE will be watching her and say......"Oh now we get it......she must be innocent".....which as we, being probably older and wiser, know is not how LE works.

Now she is just faced with more of a mess that if she could she would clear up. Let her keep digging her hole.......I say it will all come tumbling down around her.

:thumbup: Yep - What she said!!

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 08:58 PM

Yes and actually the shorter that time span the stranger it sounds about her having woke up at precisely when the dad comes home. He said himself that she is NEVER up at that hour.

Not that I'm defending Misty, but my hubby works strange hours and I usually wake up close to his arrival time to see if he is home. Most times I can't go back to sleep until I know he is home. jmo ETA that's after 30 years not 4-6 months.

Gilly

02-14-2009, 08:59 PM

Danette44

02-14-2009, 09:00 PM

Unfortunately, they stopped having the CW reenactments there a year or so ago. But it is a WONDERFUL place, and yes they do awesome work with troubled boys. The land is simply beautiful. That's my own relationship to Palatka.....I have some great memories.

Hi SS - they are having the Civil Reenactment War ( Olustee Battle ) they have it every yr in Lake City, it last for 3 days......it started last night and it rain them out today.....sorry for O/T....

johnielee333

02-14-2009, 09:01 PM

Fascinating. This crossed my mind too - that the middle of the night story was concocted to cover their own lack of watching her? In other words, she went out to play earlier that day and never came back or something of that nature. They panicked hoping she would return and she didn't so they finally decided when Ron got home to call and get help.

The only thing is, seems they are passing lie detector tests satisfactorily.

It seems but do we know for sure they passed the LDT ?

openminded

02-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Oh good idea! Didn't think of that! Now I'll have to remember how she said it. :read:

Happy Valentine's Day.

ETA: Lomar answered for me! Thanks Lomar!

I'm confused, as usual, but what I thought she said was that when she put Haleigh to bed, her (Haleigh's) blanket needed to be washed and "they" had taken Misty's blanket so she put a sheet over Haleigh. So that must have happened around 8 p.m. or so (whatever time she said she put Haleigh to bed).

The reporter she was speaking with let that slip right on by without a question as to who "they" might be and why on earth "they" had Misty's blanket.

ttcRider

02-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Were there any police vans there? Perhaps she was talking about them taking the blanket. I haven't looked at any of the videos yet, probably look at them this evening as I don't have a date for Valentine's. :sad:

Happy Valentine's Day to all.

Valentines is over rated... I didnt have a date either. :blush:

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:03 PM

Do you live upstairs in my house?
I don't go up there.
We call each other on cell phones if it's urgent, otherwise, we email.
We do meet in the kitchen and fight about who didn't do the dishes.

Interesting theory TREE TREE about the apology.
Wow! You may be on to something there.

We're even worse...3 & sometimes 4 of us with laptops & iPods sitting in the same room...we have to wave at each other if we want to get each other's attention ... if the phone rings ...forget it...but we are all here together ... Rossi is good about it ... when he wants out or to play he brings a toy to someones lap with a nosey nudge...

SOF's...UGH, I live in a fairly affluent area in a small town...we have 36 within a 5 mile radius of our home. They're everywhere, I discovered that a small private security firm in our town (family owned) has one on staff (family)....

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 09:06 PM

I agree, too many coincidences, and the more Misti reveals the more they are going to have to go with. Especially if Misti is holding anything back that she witnessed and is afraid to tell.

I see these possible scenarios shaping up.

1. Misti's brothers/nephew is involved - they live right behind them and were there earlier in the day and would have used that door.

2. It's the bio mom and an accomplice - she had contempt charges filed against her in court on the same day of the abduction giving a possible motive to remove the child to avoid paying child support.

3. It's the perp down the street - he watched and waited for an opportunity and has her hidden somewhere.

4. It's Chad Reynolds the missing perp - he worked out a plan to take the child and is on the run.

It's so scary to think there could be this many scenarios.

I wonder what LE's war room looks like about now?
How many scenarios do they have?

Where is Haleigh? This has to stop.

I am trying to hold onto hope, but it is slipping away.

Misty was the last one known to see Haleigh.
She isn't telling the same story, but her inconsistencies haven't, to me, been really glaring.

But odd, out of the ordinary events all at the same time:

*the door is always locked, but it was standing open - no forced entry says LE

*the kitchen light was on, but Misty said it was off when she went to bed

*Haleigh wet her blanket, but she's 5 and gramma says she doesn't wet the bed

*Misty was up about 3 AM for bathroom/drink of water and was frantic when RC came home, but he says she's never awake when he gets in from work - yet someone came in, turned on a light, went into the room where she was sleeping with the children, took Haleigh, and Misty did not wake up then

*Misty appears fragile and unsophisticated, but she has not led a sheltered life and seems to have grown up fast.

Could Misty be a whole lot tougher than she seems?

But, everyone, including the Mom, just loves Misty and say that Haleigh and Junior love her too.

LE considers this an abduction, but they don't add the word stranger to that description.

I just don't see Misty as the perp, but it's not looking all that good for her.

If she's involved and RC finds out before LE, he will kill her.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 09:07 PM

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:08 PM

That is what I am thinking- I could be way off but why would her blanket be in the brothers van either. I am trying to think of a scenario but having a little trouble with that one.... IMO

I know some were asking earlier if Misty had a vehicle at her disposal...if not, maybe brother takes her to the store & then when they get back blanket is left in van...brother comes in & kids play for a bit before he leaves????

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 09:10 PM

I know some were asking earlier if Misty had a vehicle at her disposal...if not, maybe brother takes her to the store & then when they get back blanket is left in van...brother comes in & kids play for a bit before he leaves????

But why would Misti take her blanket to the store?

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:10 PM

>>>SNIPPED<<<<

SOF's...UGH, I live in a fairly affluent area in a small town...we have 36 within a 5 mile radius of our home. They're everywhere, I discovered that a small private security firm in our town (family owned) has one on staff (family)....
UGH! Don't security people have to be bonded?..I'd report them, but then I'm a busybody and an interferer. I step on toes all the time doing "the right thing".
Someone who is a RSO has NO business being in security. Home OR office. He might have access to personal records, address/phone #'s, etc. that way.
RSO's have ZERO business hiding behind the mask of a protector in any capacity anyway. Those are positions of trust IMO.

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:10 PM

But why would Misti take her blanket to the store?

Maybe kids went with her ....could be a favorite blanky???

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 09:12 PM

Valentines is over rated... I didnt have a date either. :blush:

We celebrate when we are together not on a particular date due to his job. Holidays are over rated imo Poor Haleigh and Caylee. I really had a a hard time seeing all the hearts this year and I more than certain that it hurt them a lot more than me. jmo

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 09:12 PM

Maybe kids went with her ....could be a favorite blanky???

True but it was Misti's blanket, not Haleigh's....Heck this is so confussing..lol
:biggrin:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 09:12 PM

LOL. I'm even lucky on the dishes. Hubby really took up the household slack for me when I was so sick, that his way is now the only way. Even if I load it, he will re-do it, so he can have at it. I told him today I wasn't going to rassle him over it, lol. He's the same way about the laundry and cooking his dinner so I take full advantage of my family's dysfuctions. Computer addicted kids and Dad and anal-retentive hubby...Works for me! :laugh: (Oh and grocery shopping for good measure!)

This isn't really O/T because I consider it instructive, lol.
I think we were separated at birth...:w00t:

As much as I would like to go to Palatka tomorrow night, I doubt that I can pull it off. My DH/SO isn't likely to fall for it.
HI CYCLE - I hope you can give us an on the scene update.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 09:13 PM

I am having a bunch of trouble with gf- so I can go with that too.

Another thing I don't like is the in the Greta interview with dad and gf- the dad repeats again that he never uses the back door. Consistent.

But Misty states that sometimes she would leave out that door and sometimes she would take the trash out that door. Also sometimes to take the vacuum out that door to sweep out the car. Seems to me she has been in and out of that door a few times more than originally thought. IMO

I noticed that too....

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:14 PM

UGH! Don't security people have to be bonded?..I'd report them, but then I'm a busybody and an interferer. I step on toes all the time doing "the right thing".
Someone who is a RSO has NO business being in security. Home OR office. He might have access to personal records, address/phone #'s, etc. that way.
RSO's have ZERO business hiding behind the mask of a protector in any capacity anyway. Those are positions of trust IMO.

I'm fairly new to the area (3 years) & like I said small town...everyone knows...I don't get it, I moved to small town USA from Atlanta to get away from some of this kind of Carp...Here, they seem to think his family will take care of it. I hope they do, & everyone that I've spoken with believe they will, but it still bothers me...

StickyBeak

02-14-2009, 09:15 PM

That is what I am thinking- I could be way off but why would her blanket be in the brothers van either. I am trying to think of a scenario but having a little trouble with that one.... IMO

I don't think I read how old Misty's brothers children were, but could one of them have possibly wet the bed? Good reason for brothers children to take the blanket since pants were wet and they took off for home. JMO Then again, maybe brother said, look I'll go take kids home, get some beer, weed and come back and hang out since you are doing nothing tonight. Door left open while they partied out the back, she could hear the kids, etc. Maybe she passed out, lights all left, door open. Could have been a normal after 8 thing and somebody knew it.
Misty perhaps got up to make Ronald dinner when he came in from work.
So her body clock woke her as normal. She knew he would be home shortly, scared no Haleigh and searched around just as he pulled in driveway. Just another opinion.

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:15 PM

True but it was Misti's blanket, not Haleigh's....Heck this is so confussing..lol
:biggrin:

OHHHHHH...Hit me in the head with a V-8....

johnielee333

02-14-2009, 09:15 PM

Don't try to compare apples and oranges. Casey is an aberrancy.

Most of us would be on the phone with 911 in 2 minutes. It's that simple. No excuses are necessary. :cursing:

i agree. why would anyone wait to call 911.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:16 PM

Maybe kids went with her ....could be a favorite blanky???
Maybe the kids were playing in the car(s)? When we were kids we just loved getting into the cars to play ( no idea why), my G-Pa was always yellign and chasing us out and we never got the safety risk, no matter how much he yelled we just snuck back when he left.
The wet blanket could be from a cup or from little brother if he sat/got onto the bed. That may explain why he was with Misty. Maybe HE wet the bed, went to sisters bed and only got the cover wet. Misty dropped another cover on Haleigh, changed little bro. and put him in her bed. I've been too lazy to strip the little ones beds before and put them in bed with each other, etc. and they often get in each others beds too. Late at night it's easier than stripping and remaking their beds...maybe not the "most stellar" parenting tho.
I'm not sure if she (OR LE) would let that much be known unless she was directly asked.
Just a possible thought...:shrug:
ETA: Sudden bedwetting is a prime sign of new sexual abuse too...may not relate here, but if a relative or friend was doing something and thought she might tell....

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 09:18 PM

Two visitors to the search site today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18708433/detail.html
What? No Video?
I wonder if C&G will stay for the vigil?
Cindy can tell the good folks of Satsuma to get off of their a** and find Haleigh.

I am glad to see that there is one vigil tonight and both sides of the family are united.
That can only be a good thing.
God bless them.

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 09:18 PM

I think we were separated at birth...:w00t:

As much as I would like to go to Palatka tomorrow night, I doubt that I can pull it off. My DH/SO isn't likely to fall for it.
HI CYCLE - I hope you can give us an on the scene update.
I am going to give it my best.
Trying now to stay awake to watch the local 10 news.

CanCan

02-14-2009, 09:19 PM

I can, tho. it's not a reasonable thing to do to me as an adult and an experienced parent.
I think she went looking hoping to find Haleigh wandering off or hiding in the house/"into" something in the house before misty HAD to call LE or let Ronald know. Alot of young people try to "fix" things themselves before seeking help in a crisis, they just don't want to get in trouble or look bad and they're still in that "child" mindset..."oh, oh! Mom is gonna be mad when she see's the stupid thing I did!".
She may just have been so overwhelmed she simply couldn't decide WHAT to do too. It happens.
Or she could be covering up and fooling LE and Ronald too. I doubt it, but it's always a possibility until I hear LE rule it out.
AFAIK, she was only alone with the kids about 5 hours or less that night. Not alot of time to kill a child accidentally ( I sure couldn't see premed. here!), panic and decide what to do, and execute a plan and hide a body over 5 miles from home. Possibly w/o a car.....and then return to clean up the mess, all the while NEVER waking the younger child, carrying a deceased child ( Misty is pretty small...I carry bigger kids than Haleigh, but it is WORK for a small woman and not just easy). Not waking A child that is MORE than able to tell on her, and with not enough time to "coach" the child at all.
It just doesn't add up for me, even when I put an anonymous person in the place of Misty...add a less than brilliant (seeming) teenaged girl to that equasion and I'd say NO WAY. the only way she could be involved is if she had help, or she KNOWS who did this.
JMO.

All middle schools I know teach a child care (babysitting) curriculum, usually in their home-ec (family services) department. In this class, SAFETY is stressed above all else........and it's pounded into the kids to DIAL 911 FIRST.............panic/think/cry later. (Even without the class - if Misti 'loved Haleigh like her own' she would have scrambled for the phone to call 911 at the first sign that the little girl was not in the trailer.)

To me, Misti's delay in calling 911 points to the fact that she was following Ron's script for how the whole cover-up was to go down. She was to wait for Ron to return home.

I do not suspect Misti for an instant in the harm of little Haleigh........but Misti knows who IS responsible. :ohmy:

jmo

gaelicpeas

02-14-2009, 09:20 PM

I heard Dad say to Greta that he used the back door & ramp to take a vacuum in and out a couple of times.Who uses a handicapped ramp to take out a vacuum? How heavy is that vacuum? Makes no sense to me, but who knows...

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 09:21 PM

I can't believe that we are scrutinizing a 20 - 30 minute delay in calling authorities when Casey Anthony waited 31 days. jmo
but, what if it wasn't 20-30 minutes, but 6-8 hours?
Misty called 911 because RC told her to, it seems.

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:22 PM

Valentines is over rated... I didnt have a date either. :blush:

It most certainly is. I'm sitting her munching some chocolates, I'll gladly share.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:24 PM

I'm confused, as usual, but what I thought she said was that when she put Haleigh to bed, her (Haleigh's) blanket needed to be washed and "they" had taken Misty's blanket so she put a sheet over Haleigh. So that must have happened around 8 p.m. or so (whatever time she said she put Haleigh to bed).

The reporter she was speaking with let that slip right on by without a question as to who "they" might be and why on earth "they" had Misty's blanket.

Is there no washer/dryer in the house, or does it not work? :confused:

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 09:24 PM

Could someone please explain to me where this van comes in to play? Who's van was it? thanks!
that's a mystery. I want to know about this van, and why Misty's blanket left in it. :confused:

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 09:24 PM

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:24 PM

Maybe the kids were playing in the car(s)? When we were kids we just loved getting into the cars to play ( no idea why), my G-Pa was always yellign and chasing us out and we never got the safety risk, no matter how much he yelled we just snuck back when he left.
The wet blanket could be from a cup or from little brother if he sat/got onto the bed. That may explain why he was with Misty. Maybe HE wet the bed, went to sisters bed and only got the cover wet. Misty dropped another cover on Haleigh, changed little bro. and put him in her bed. I've been too lazy to strip the little ones beds before and put them in bed with each other, etc. and they often get in each others beds too. Late at night it's easier than stripping and remaking their beds...maybe not the "most stellar" parenting tho.
I'm not sure if she (OR LE) would let that much be known unless she was directly asked.
Just a possible thought...:shrug:

I think we're all spoiled by all the documentation available on the OC's case....it certainly helps to have the bulk of the (factual) info coming from a central source...I've been so lost today just keeping up with names & now I thought the blanket that was being discussed with Haileghs & finding it is Misty's....Just too much info to process...

I had a bedwetter & some nights we had more than 1 occurance & I've run out of sheets & he had to sleep on towels on his mattress...even more stellar parenting...lol

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:25 PM

but, what if it wasn't 20-30 minutes, but 6-8 hours?
Misty called 911 because RC told her to, it seems.

If he left at 4 and didnt return unti 3 thats 11 hrs i just cant accept the fact that someone came into that house and took her with the g/f laying right there. Could something have happened and the brother came by to help cover it up? Or did something happen before he went to work . I wonder how he acted at work that night nervous, on the cell phone alot. I think 1 or both of them know what happened.

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:26 PM

I think we're all spoiled by all the documentation available on the OC's case....it certainly helps to have the bulk of the (factual) info coming from a central source...I've been so lost today just keeping up with names & now I thought the blanket that was being discussed with Haileghs & finding it is Misty's....Just too much info to process...

I had a bedwetter & some nights we had more than 1 occurance & I've run out of sheets & he had to sleep on towels on his mattress...even more stellar parenting...lol

Dont feel bad I was thinking it was Haleighs to.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:26 PM

It most certainly is. I'm sitting her munching some chocolates, I'll gladly share.

Those sound good! Would they help get rid of my cold? :unsure:

?noanswer

02-14-2009, 09:26 PM

Using Misty`s last name one of you posted that she was advised to not talk to media. I lost the post when I went to double check to see if that was her name.

Don`t tell me Baez is already down there. Seriously when they stop talking to media something is up.

Maybe the two visitors today advised them not to talk until they could get an agent who would make sure that got $s. JMO

ttcRider

02-14-2009, 09:27 PM

It most certainly is. I'm sitting her munching some chocolates, I'll gladly share.

Thanks Gilly. :smile:
I'll open the wine

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:27 PM

If he left at 4 and didnt return unti 3 thats 11 hrs i just cant accept the fact that someone came into that house and took her with the g/f laying right there. Could something have happened and the brother came by to help cover it up? Or did something happen before he went to work . I wonder how he acted at work that night nervous, on the cell phone alot. I think 1 or both of them know what happened.

From listening to him on the 911 call, I'd be shocked if he knew anything about it before he got home. :scared: But I do think it's possible the g/f does know. MOO

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:29 PM

From listening to him on the 911 call, I'd be shocked if he knew anything about it before he got home. :scared: But I do think it's possible the g/f does know. MOO

I agree but stranger things have happened.

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:29 PM

Ok my scenario is this- it is Monday evening that Haleight goes missing and I am guessing that dad does not work Sunday nights so he would have been home. I am thinking that Misti stayed somewhere else Sunday night (her brothers)- took her blanket- and then came back on Monday but forgot to get the blanket out of the van (if it is her brothers and she stayed at the brothers Sunday night) This is all theory but it was just something that came to mind. IMO

I just watched her talking about the blanket and I'm seriously scratching my head. It is really hard to follow her.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:29 PM

Maybe the two visitors today advised them not to talk until they could get an agent who would make sure that got $s. JMO
Oh, and get Kid Finders involved too. :wink:

CanCan

02-14-2009, 09:29 PM

Not unless something was in or on her blanket. imo

Like...............evidence, to be dumped. :confused:

jmo

ConchGirl

02-14-2009, 09:30 PM

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:30 PM

Those sound good! Would they help get rid of my cold? :unsure:

They might not, but I've got a wonderful dark chocolate truffle cake (valentines' dessert) & some lovely Cabernet that would definately cure the common cold!! I have absolutely no medical experience (except parenting) but I'd prescribe this for almost all illness!!!!

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:31 PM

I agree but stranger things have happened.

Not since the Menendez brothers called 911! This guy sounded too "unrehearsed" to have known what happened. MOO

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:33 PM

They might not, but I've got a wonderful dark chocolate truffle cake (valentines' dessert) & some lovely Cabernet that would definately cure the common cold!! I have absolutely no medical experience (except parenting) but I'd prescribe this for almost all illness!!!!

:wub: thank you!

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:33 PM

I believe Misty was talking about a police van taking the blanket away. It makes sense that LE would send many things from inside the home to be checked out forensically. Doesn't mean they'll find anything suspicious. Just that they're checking it.

I thought so too Adalena. I just watched her talking about the blanket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E and its not sitting well with me. She is talking about the night the little one disappeared but I am thinking that perhaps she is mixing things up. Seems to me she is sharing too much information as in elaborating too much.

Mari512002

02-14-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm getting confused too especially when more than one of them's being discussed and referred to as "he". :confused: :smile:

I think that I am the most confused. The first time I saw "SO" I thought it was referring to significant other and that the mom's fiance was on the lam

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:35 PM

Not since the Menendez brothers called 911! This guy sounded too "unrehearsed" to have known what happened. MOO

Yep he was very ill:w00t: which only leaves the g/f to wonder about and god i don't wanna think she would harm this child. But I still don't see someone just comeing in and removeing a 5 yr old whos right next to you or even a few feet away without you knowing.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:35 PM

All middle schools I know teach a child care (babysitting) curriculum, usually in their home-ec (family services) department. In this class, SAFETY is stressed above all else........and it's pounded into the kids to DIAL 911 FIRST.............panic/think/cry later. (Even without the class - if Misti 'loved Haleigh like her own' she would have scrambled for the phone to call 911 at the first sign that the little girl was not in the trailer.)

To me, Misti's delay in calling 911 points to the fact that she was following Ron's script for how the whole cover-up was to go down. She was to wait for Ron to return home.

I do not suspect Misti for an instant in the harm of little Haleigh........but Misti knows who IS responsible. :ohmy:

jmoThey teach similar classes herer too, but not everywhere AFAIK. Besides, not everyone goes here. It's a choice and also some parents won't let their kids as there is a sex ed. component. I've worked with at risk kids ( and families) my whole adult life, you'd be surprised how stupid people can be. I was surprised by my own reaction too....It probably took me 10 minutes to call, because I just stood there a minute telling myself it wasn't happening, I was dreaming, and telling myself anything but the truth. Then I looked in the house and asked the other kids too.
I'm not sure that IS what happened, but I'll say you might be surprised at your own reaction if you wake and find your child missing (God forbid!).
Haleigh was seen after Ron left for work...unless you buy that the brother AND his kids AND the little brother are all going along with Ronalds "story" too.
I don't think for one instant Ronald has anything to do with this and I'll be shocked to find out otherwise.
JMO.

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:38 PM

Is there no washer/dryer in the house, or does it not work? :confused:

In this vid she is saying the washer/dryer is by the back door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:38 PM

And who would leave that little boy out of their site to run out front when an intruder could be anywhere.

I cannot help but wonder if the dad`s family is at least somewhat suspicious of all this.
Leaving the other child alone bothers me the most of all the odd things...of course, she COULD have been that panicked or that stupid. OR she could have already been through the whole house and sure he was safe...or even holdig him. I've never heard it factually said that she left him in the bed. I wouldn't wake the little one if I could help it either, though I WOULD go get and hold them.
JMO.

CanCan

02-14-2009, 09:40 PM

but, what if it wasn't 20-30 minutes, but 6-8 hours?
Misty called 911 because RC told her to, it seems.

:thumbup: Or how about 12-14 hours..............the murder being committed before Ron's shift at work???????????

jmo

ttcRider

02-14-2009, 09:43 PM

She said she washed the child's blanket because it smelled like pee. The video of that should be on the net by googling. It was played quite a few times on Fox news and CNN news.

She said they took her's away in a van. I took that to mean the LE van most likely for forensics. Usually they take various items for testing in crime cases. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll find anything that helps to solve the crime, but they do test to find out any possible info one way or another.

hmmm that is thought provoking, I can see that..

CanCan

02-14-2009, 09:43 PM

that's a mystery. I want to know about this van, and why Misty's blanket left in it. :confused:

DITTO!!!! :blink:

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:43 PM

Good Night all, DH is on the ground and will be home soon. Time for me to look busy and clean the house or something. Pine Sol works great. I will pray for Haleigh tonight and hope for a happy ending.O/T, just look nice and be in a pleasant mood when he gets home. If you're overjoyed to see him he'll never notice the house.
That's how it works around here anyway!
Teeny...i know the bedwetter routines well too...at 3:00 a.m., we all do the thing that gets everyone back to bed the soonest!
The stellar parent comment was only a jest, and i hope you got that. :)
I probably DO many things that others would disagree with, but being a little lazy in the middle of the night is small potatoes IMO. I like to sleep!

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:43 PM

I thought so too Adalena. I just watched her talking about the blanket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E and its not sitting well with me. She is talking about the night the little one disappeared but I am thinking that perhaps she is mixing things up. Seems to me she is sharing too much information as in elaborating too much.

ok i just lisened to this and she says her blanket is in the van they took that couldnt have been a van from LE because her putting her to bed was before they ever called LE or am i hearing this wrong.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:44 PM

Misty was on a video shown for a couple of days on Fox & CNN wherein she said they took it away in a van. Her blanket. I think she meant LE van for forensic checking.That sounds plausible!

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 09:46 PM

ok i just lisened to this and she says her blanket is in the van they took that couldnt have been a van from LE because her putting her to bed was before they ever called LE or am i hearing this wrong.

That's what I understand, she had to cover her with a sheet because her(Misti's) blanket was in the van...

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:47 PM

Very- to me it looks as if the talk about the blanket makes her nervous. I understand that she is on TV and could be nervous from that- but her voice changes at the time she starts recalling the blanket and it speeds up as well. It was a very weird answer to the question of "tell me what happened that night?" IMOO

Her eyes are all over as well. Looking down, closed, looking over at something or somebody to her left. Her voice and speech bothered me as well. IMO she knows more than she is saying.

Gilly

02-14-2009, 09:50 PM

ok i just lisened to this and she says her blanket is in the van they took that couldnt have been a van from LE because her putting her to bed was before they ever called LE or am i hearing this wrong.

You are right. I listened to it a few times and she is definately talking about the the night the little one disappeared but I think she may be mixing up her story.

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 09:50 PM

:thumbup: Or how about 12-14 hours..............the murder being committed before Ron's shift at work???????????

jmo I believe she was at school Monday and dad picked her up at her bus stop. Father stated this on national television. if this was not true they would have dad at the jail.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Apologies to Mr. Lucky. I just snapped to what you were saying earlier about the Chad pedo. His Mom called him as missing on 2/02 and he would have been hanging around until last Mon. if he was the one to get her... Not as likely as I thought. I don't know why I had it in my head he disappeared a day or 2 before or after Haleigh's disappearance. Comprehension delay.IDK lavenia, i rather feel that his being "missing" so long makes it MORE likely he is up to no good in some way.
AFA haleigh goes, if she was being selected by a stranger/aquaintance, then she was likely watched for a bit while the plans were made and the fantsy stoked. I think the perp. either gained access through trust, or just tried quietly sneaking in until he got lucky.
It is a pretty big coinicidence tho. that the night the door may well have been unlocked is the night she goes missing.
maybe the perp. had a key for some reason, or maybe he got in another way and left via the rear door. :shrug: IDK.
THIS may not be the perp., but I hope they find him before he does whatever he left to do.
I am certain he left, both his gleeful "adventurous" comment on his MS page, and the fact that he made calls after leaving AND told a lie about the car to it's owner tell me he planned leaving and with a purpose worth taking this risk for in mind.
JMO though.

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Tim Miller, founder of EquuSearch, said he spent about 2 1/2 hours comforting the father this morning. That included 20 minutes in the woods showing him some of the search teams.

"He got teary-eyed, he hugged me and said, 'Thank you. Thank you,' " Miller said. "He's holding onto hope that Haleigh's still alive, but he's facing reality. He said, 'If she's not alive, find her for me.'"

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-14/story/fifth_day_of_search_for_haleigh_brings_sense_of_gl oom

I hate hearing this ... I feel for the family, but also Tim...he's taken on so many of these tough searches, it has to take a toll on him...

breeze53

02-14-2009, 09:52 PM

Misti's blanket was in "the van" but the reason she had to give Haleigh a sheet in because haleigh's blanket was being washed. She is talking about 2 different blankets- Misti's and then Haleigh's- IMO

Ok wonder why she would even mention her blaket at all? This is so confussing:scared::scared::scared:

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 09:53 PM

THANKS SO MUCH!!........Yes that is Misty`s last name..........Sounds like when explaining herself did not work she decided to clam up!! Wonder if she is lawyering up as we speak!!Not unless one does not charge. This family has no money.Butttttttt. I am sure one will turn up with his/her card to get some television time. Sick huh?

CanCan

02-14-2009, 09:54 PM

And who would leave that little boy out of their site to run out front when an intruder could be anywhere.

I cannot help but wonder if the dad`s family is at least somewhat suspicious of all this.

Yep - I found it a little odd that Ron's sister Crystal, on Greta, voluntarily offered a "character reference" for Misti..........although Crystal didn't know how long her brother and Misti had been going together (details details).

My first thought was, The cops asked Crystal to compliment Misti on-air.

:confused:

jmo

sunstar

02-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Yep he was very ill:w00t: which only leaves the g/f to wonder about and god i don't wanna think she would harm this child. But I still don't see someone just comeing in and removeing a 5 yr old whos right next to you or even a few feet away without you knowing.

I don't either, unless she's a very heavy sleeper. MOO

playnice

02-14-2009, 09:58 PM

playnice

02-14-2009, 10:00 PM

From this, the infamous Lenny Padilla says he thinks Haleigh's alive and the girlfriend had something to do with getting her out of the house and Haleigh is with one of Misti's friends, for "whatever reason". (I'll buy you a gold toothpick if you're right, LP.)

Not this crap again.hammer

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 10:00 PM

News on. BBL

OneUp

02-14-2009, 10:03 PM

What bothered me is that dad is screaming and yelling on the phone to 911 enough that I expected to hear Jr. crying or someone trying to comfort him as well because of the chaos. If you are franticall looking for a child that is missing and there is another child in the house - wouldn't you immediately go and make sure that child is ok-shake him and make sure he is breathing. Ask him if he seen anything, I would think that it would have frightened him enough to cause an outburst. IMO
Well, not if Jr. was USED to Dad yelling!
I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on Ronalds temper myself, as I KNOW from personal experience that one may yell, curse, even hit right when you find your child is gone. EVEN if that is out of character.
Yes, if it's abnormal I would think the child would cry, but maybe he was shocked silent too.
I'd have my other child with me or in my arms. That is me though, maybe they already saw he was safe or something. It seemed a poor choice to me if anyone was fearful tho.
The other stuff I can chalk up to either stupid, scared of getting in trouble ( child mentality) or immaturity.
Though someone (Tree?), mentioned their 16 y.o who called 911 sucessfully, many adults have trouble. Some here posted they couldn't recall 911's number for Petes sake! And that is sensible grown adults. i know i couldn't make much sense and rambled when i called 911...I was so upset and there were so many things flooding my mind I couldn't concentrate on the call. My fear kept distracting me.
I've heard of toddlers making helpful 911 calls...even a dog that soomehow got 911 on the phone by knocking it over, but not everyone can get it together and get over the shock that fast. It helps if you have discussed and planned for emergencies I think. I'd urge everyone to run through scenarios in the car with their kids during drive time. If they can recall your voice/instructions in a time of panic, odds are they will also recall what to do.
I've "taught" my daughter well too...and she is a bright and mature girl. But when the baby choked in a room with her, she panicked and picked her up to start hitting her in the back. Luckily, she was also running for me or that bite might have been lodged in the little ones throat and it might have been too late for 911! She ( the eldest) has had babysitting classes at the red cross office and the local college too...she "knows" emergency first aid, etc. she just couldn't recall anything.
JMO.

breeze53

02-14-2009, 10:04 PM

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:04 PM

Misti's blanket was in "the van" but the reason she had to give Haleigh a sheet in because haleigh's blanket was being washed. She is talking about 2 different blankets- Misti's and then Haleigh's- IMO

Right, but why was Mitsi's blanket in the van to start with? lol

Kelly3820

02-14-2009, 10:05 PM

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 10:07 PM

i agree. why would anyone wait to call 911.
Then, it was reported that Misty kept trying to call RC for 20 minutes or so, but he didn't answer.

It made me think that Misty doesn't make a move without RC's approval.

So much family is close by, but she didn't want to call 911, couldn't get RC, and didn't try to get another responsible adult to tell her what to do. RC's mother was there in 15-20 minutes, just loves Misty, and works for Alachua County Sheriff's Office (I *think* it's Alachua Cty, which is Gainesville) - but Misty didn't call her.

If she couldn't get RC, didn't know if she should call 911, why didn't she call someone, anyone? Why didn't she call her brother?
Call her neighbor?

See, originally I envisioned Misty frantically tearing through the home, yelling for Haleigh, looking through closets, calling for her in the yard.
Now I envision her being really scared and dialing RC's phone over and over, pacing and smoking and trying to think of WTH to tell him.
I just had to put in the smoking bit, but I bet if I'm right about anything at all, that's it.

ATM, it seems to me that it wasn't 20-30 minutes, but hours before Misty did anything. She knew RC would be home soon and she had to tell him something he would believe.

If something happened to Haleigh hours before RC returned, then where was Junior and what does he have to say?
If this theory holds any weight, then Junior had to be asleep when Haleigh came to some kind of sorrow.
The event, whatever it was, must have been after 8 or 9 PM, or Junior would be a witness.
He is 4 years old tomorrow.
If he saw anything bad, he's talking about it.

If Misty harmed Haleigh, how did she hide the evidence?
If she killed Haleigh, how did she hide the body?
Ugh, I really don't like typing this.

only brain storming and jmho

I really do not want to believe that Misty is involved.

TeenyNRossi

02-14-2009, 10:07 PM

Another big contrast to the oc case. The father wants her brought home even if it isnt the way he would like for her to come home.

I agree...also, these (as has been said mainly last evening) undereducated/poor WT/trailertrash types...have the decency to thank those that are helping....big difference & speaks volumes imo...

I'm having difficulty with forming any opinion as to what has happened to this baby...I need more info! (or should I say concrete info)

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:08 PM

CanCan

02-14-2009, 10:08 PM

From listening to him on the 911 call, I'd be shocked if he knew anything about it before he got home. :scared: But I do think it's possible the g/f does know. MOO

:sad: I'm afraid I don't agree. Ron was just TOOOOOOO abusive on that 911 call. The swearing (I hate) I can understand..........but not the abuse toward the 911 operator. Anger at the situation.........understandable. Abuse toward the 911 operator........sheer overacting/manipulation/ploy for power so he won't be scrutinized.

jmo

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 10:09 PM

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle! I started to post this morning that now would be a good time for them to slink back to where they came from since the scrutiny isn't as hard on them with this case and lack of news. Then I was going to say, if Cindy comes out today, I would think she was the biggest freaking *$#@* weirdo I ever saw and I would NEVER feel sorry for them with the media scrutiny.

They're the gift that keeps on giving.

Didn't Melanie Mcguire say that about Bill when he started washing up in various suitcases? :chicken:

HI_CYCLE

02-14-2009, 10:11 PM

Nothing new except both families have joined together in one single vigil,they were holding separate before tonight.
Mother is back at scene today but collapsed at vigil. More update at 10:30.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:13 PM

Nothing new except both families have joined together in one single vigil,they were holding separate before tonight.
Mother is back at scene today but collapsed at vigil. More update at 10:30.

Thanks for the up-date!!!!

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:13 PM

:sad: I'm afraid I don't agree. Ron was just TOOOOOOO abusive on that 911 call. The swearing (I hate) I can understand..........but not the abuse toward the 911 operator. Anger at the situation.........understandable. Abuse toward the 911 operator........sheer overacting/manipulation/ploy for power so he won't be scrutinized.

jmo
I just don't know, my first impression was OMG who is he trying to convince, threatening to kill someone, yada yada, then when I heard it again I thought he sounded terrified and helpless.

I think it was his father(?) that freaked me out the way he kept saying just drop her off anywhere. over and over again. It was like he didn't know what else to say.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 10:14 PM

Okay, if Haleigh went missing on the 9th, and Chad went missing on the first and reported the second, I would think he would have "hit" someplace earlier. He was gone a week before she was. That's a lot of unaccounted time. The adventurous thing is WAY creepy.

I don't know, I'm about 50/50 now when I probably was 85/15 Parent/pedo yesterday and 15/85 parent/pedo earlier today.I know what you mean...This guy in particular isn't my "choice"...I'd find a closer perv. more likely ( Kyle Johns). I mainly wouldn't rule him out because of the option of two pervs either working together or sharing information.
Like I said, Chad Reynolds HAD to leave for a reason. he lied to the car owner (said her car wasn't working, said it was at another place) to buy time and get farther before he couldn't use her car, he seemed upbeat and excited on his MS, he called people AFTER leaving the car, and he risked EVERYTHING for whatever reason he left for.
I wouldn't rank him high on being responsible for Haleigh...just certain to be harming someone IMO. haliegh is a slim possibility IF he had sen her, knew someone near her, or just happened on her. he could have hopped a rail car after abandoning that car, or gone to a friends nearby so it still isn't impossible to me. Just not the "Occams Razor" answer I usually like......takes alot of steps between him, and abducting her.
I also keep going back and forth on some aspects of this case.
I lean towards a pedo for sure, but i'm trying to settle between family/friend and a total stranger who took an iopportunity or stalked the family. i tend to think the door was left unlocked and this wasn't the first time. There IS a reason that Ronald checked every night. he MIGHT just be very vigilant, or she may have not locked it before and he didn't trust her judgement ( bad idea to leave the kids if that was the case...but some people).
MAYBE someone had a key or got in via another access ( there were panels in the floor of my DH's place, he shared that last night as a possible way to enter a trailer. his was robbed that way. They left out the back door too.).
JMO...not trying to change anyones mind.
I need ALOT more facts before I have any solid opinions myself!

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:14 PM

I just don't know, my first impression was OMG who is he trying to convince, threatening to kill someone, yada yada, then when I heard it again I thought he sounded terrified and helpless.

I don't know either Willow, but nothing would surprise me anymore after the CA case....

?noanswer

02-14-2009, 10:16 PM

Ok wonder why she would even mention her blaket at all? This is so confussing:scared::scared::scared:

She was recounting what happened that night. When she went to put the children to bed @ 8:00, she discovered that Haleigh's blanket was wet. She covered Haleigh with a sheet while she washed and dried the blanket. When she came to bed at 10:00 she covered Haleigh with the blanket and took another one from the window for herself. She stated that they took her blanket in the van. The only "they" I can come up with is her brother & his children. They came by the trailer earlier in late afternoon and stayed 30/40 min. Maybe if the media had followed up on "they" we would have an answer. I don't have a link except in my mind. JMO

ttcRider

02-14-2009, 10:16 PM

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:16 PM

THANKS!!! Hopefully Misty will let her guard down and speak.

I hope so..I do think she knows more than she is telling..imo

Cinsd

02-14-2009, 10:16 PM

Continue on posters :biggrin:

OneUp

02-14-2009, 10:18 PM

What does what Haleigh covered up with have anything to do with what happened that night?? Why is she talking about this at all?? IMOMaybe just because LE took bedding for testing? I think they often do in such cases. They took ours, and then offered it back months later...I just about had another breakdown when they showed up at my door with that baby quilt I'd made!
I think they test for blood, seminal fluid and the like to help rule out abuse in the home.
JMO.

bluwaters

02-14-2009, 10:19 PM

Very- to me it looks as if the talk about the blanket makes her nervous. I understand that she is on TV and could be nervous from that- but her voice changes at the time she starts recalling the blanket and it speeds up as well. It was a very weird answer to the question of "tell me what happened that night?" IMOO
I am ready for a body language expert to analyze Misty's interviews.

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:19 PM

I don't know either Willow, but nothing would surprise me anymore after the CA case....

Right now, I'm not going with the Chad theory, I agree with OneUp, I think it's someone closer to home and knows this family, someone who wasn't afraid of being caught in that house and had no problem turning on a light.

breeze53

02-14-2009, 10:20 PM

She was recounting what happened that night. When she went to put the children to bed @ 8:00, she discovered that Haleigh's blanket was wet. She covered Haleigh with a sheet while she washed and dried the blanket. When she came to bed at 10:00 she covered Haleigh with the blanket and took another one from the window for herself. She stated that they took her blanket in the van. The only "they" I can come up with is her brother & his children. They came by the trailer earlier in late afternoon and stayed 30/40 min. Maybe if the media had followed up on "they" we would have an answer. I don't have a link except in my mind. JMO

Thanks and no one needs a link with me. I am wondering what went on when the brother stoped by.

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:21 PM

CanCan

02-14-2009, 10:21 PM

They teach similar classes herer too, but not everywhere AFAIK. Besides, not everyone goes here. It's a choice and also some parents won't let their kids as there is a sex ed. component. I've worked with at risk kids ( and families) my whole adult life, you'd be surprised how stupid people can be. I was surprised by my own reaction too....It probably took me 10 minutes to call, because I just stood there a minute telling myself it wasn't happening, I was dreaming, and telling myself anything but the truth. Then I looked in the house and asked the other kids too.
I'm not sure that IS what happened, but I'll say you might be surprised at your own reaction if you wake and find your child missing (God forbid!).
Haleigh was seen after Ron left for work...unless you buy that the brother AND his kids AND the little brother are all going along with Ronalds "story" too.
I don't think for one instant Ronald has anything to do with this and I'll be shocked to find out otherwise.
JMO.

I, too, have worked with at-risk kids my whole adult life - I, too, have seen it all.

I didn't know that Haleigh had been seen after Ron left for work. Now I gotta tweek my theory (again lol). :smile:

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:21 PM

Right now, I'm not going with the Chad theory, I agree with OneUp, I think it's someone closer to home and knows this family, someone who wasn't afraid of being caught in that house and had no problem turning on a light.

I think this Chad guy might have gotten hurt or killed by someone....MO

?noanswer

02-14-2009, 10:21 PM

Then, it was reported that Misty kept trying to call RC for 20 minutes or so, but he didn't answer.

It made me think that Misty doesn't make a move without RC's approval.

So much family is close by, but she didn't want to call 911, couldn't get RC, and didn't try to get another responsible adult to tell her what to do. RC's mother was there in 15-20 minutes, just loves Misty, and works for Alachua County Sheriff's Office (I *think* it's Alachua Cty, which is Gainesville) - but Misty didn't call her.

If she couldn't get RC, didn't know if she should call 911, why didn't she call someone, anyone? Why didn't she call her brother?
Call her neighbor?

See, originally I envisioned Misty frantically tearing through the home, yelling for Haleigh, looking through closets, calling for her in the yard.
Now I envision her being really scared and dialing RC's phone over and over, pacing and smoking and trying to think of WTH to tell him.
I just had to put in the smoking bit, but I bet if I'm right about anything at all, that's it.

ATM, it seems to me that it wasn't 20-30 minutes, but hours before Misty did anything. She knew RC would be home soon and she had to tell him something he would believe.

If something happened to Haleigh hours before RC returned, then where was Junior and what does he have to say?
If this theory holds any weight, then Junior had to be asleep when Haleigh came to some kind of sorrow.
The event, whatever it was, must have been after 8 or 9 PM, or Junior would be a witness.
He is 4 years old tomorrow.
If he saw anything bad, he's talking about it.

If Misty harmed Haleigh, how did she hide the evidence?
If she killed Haleigh, how did she hide the body?
Ugh, I really don't like typing this.

only brain storming and jmho

I really do not want to believe that Misty is involved.

The only way I think she might be involved is that she left the door unlocked and is afraid to tell that to anyone. But I still think LE could crack her in less than 5 minutes. She doesn't appear to have the skills to write a saga as did the other one who is still in the news. JMO

Cinsd

02-14-2009, 10:21 PM

This will be well over 1000 at this point. Come on over to the fresh thread, where I can keep up :laugh:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349141

fierce1

02-14-2009, 10:22 PM

I was curious to see if any of Ronald's friends have been questioned. Let's face it Ronald is a very good looking guy and he has a good job. It might be someone jealous of him trying to get revenge or it could be a friend or co-worker who had wanted Haleigh and knew Rons work schedule and how to get inside the modular home.

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:22 PM

Thanks and no one needs a link with me. I am wondering what went on when the brother stoped by.

I wish we could find out this brother's name....

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:23 PM

I think this Chad guy might have gotten hurt or killed by someone....MO

Or he could be involved in a totally different scene than Haleigh's :sad:

sunstar

02-14-2009, 10:24 PM

:sad: I'm afraid I don't agree. Ron was just TOOOOOOO abusive on that 911 call. The swearing (I hate) I can understand..........but not the abuse toward the 911 operator. Anger at the situation.........understandable. Abuse toward the 911 operator........sheer overacting/manipulation/ploy for power so he won't be scrutinized.

jmo

I hadn't thought of it that way since I don't see him as a good actor, but you do have a point! I found his language toward the 911 operator despicable, but also know it's common for a lot of people to use it in ordinary conversation. What I did notice in the 911 call was the operator telling Misty to calm him down before LE got there. I do think there's a good chance he has a volitile temper but he also was at work when Haleigh supposedly went missing. :shrug: MOO

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:24 PM

Or he could be involved in a totally different scene than Haleigh's :sad:

That is true:sad:

Pat

02-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Using Misty`s last name one of you posted that she was advised to not talk to media. I lost the post when I went to double check to see if that was her name.

Don`t tell me Baez is already down there. Seriously when they stop talking to media something is up.

It didn't say it was a lawyer...just that she had been advised. Could have been LE or someone with some kind of standing advising them all to avoid the media.

Why?

I would tend to believe it is because every word, gesture and look is being picked over, discussed, taken out of context or misreported. These people are under a microscope and having their lives examined and criticised when, as far as anyone knows at this point, the ONLY thing they are 'guilty' of is having a 5 year old go missing. As far as we know, they are the victims but are being treated as if they are the criminals. IMO, it was good advice.

All of this so reminds me of what happened to Mark Lundsford and his parents on the CourtTV board. I couldn't be a part of it and left before they ever found Jessie. I've often wondered how many people who wrote such horrible things ever admitted they were wrong and apologized.

WillowInFlight

02-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Why is everyone sleeping in the same room? From what I understand there is a queen size bed and a twin bed in the bedroom they were in that night. I am not thinking anything sick- this house has more than one bedroom- but the only thing I can come up with is that dad may have been paranoid about something with his kids so he made sure they were all in the same room. Deadbolt, gun, routinely checking the locks, and kids sleeping close. Any thoughts? IMO

years and years ago when my hubby worked 3rd shift I always had the kids sleep with me.

OneUp

02-14-2009, 10:26 PM

Do any of you remember reading that article about body language? It came up on the CA thread a while back. Just trying to remember what it said about closing your eyes when answering questions or looking away and downwards..It matter on other things besides JUST closing the eyes or looking up. One way ( to the right?...anyone?) is recall, the other is imagination.
Closing the eyes can be concentration, memory, or trying to hide emotion/lying. One has to take the persons normal demenaor and ways into account, as well as other body language, tone of voice/infection/changes, and choice of words/pattern of speech as well.
One thing alone doesn't tell the entire story. I too a class in "reading" body language at KU years ago...it was interesting, but I do as well with "instinct" as I did with trying to recall all the "tells".
In Misty's case, she could be lying when looking down, or a fearful/intimidated person (probably she is, even if she IS lying), or even that the light was in her eyes ( I think I recall something like that with Josh Duckett in one interview. A sharp eyed poster noticed the glaring lights after everyone went on about his looking down and avoiding the camera).
I think SHE at least suspects someone, and I think she feels guilty for some mistake she has made. It may be minor or it may be the whole tamale. Hard to say at this point.
JMO.

fierce1

02-14-2009, 10:26 PM

snip
JMO.

cliffnotes version? anyone?

sunstar

02-14-2009, 10:27 PM

The only way I think she might be involved is that she left the door unlocked and is afraid to tell that to anyone. But I still think LE could crack her in less than 5 minutes. She doesn't appear to have the skills to write a saga as did the other one who is still in the news. JMO

LE is saying no sign of forced entry, so wouldn't that also mean picking a lock? It seems somebody would have to explain the unlocked door. MOO

kitty1182

02-14-2009, 10:27 PM

It didn't say it was a lawyer...just that she had been advised. Could have been LE or someone with some kind of standing advising them all to avoid the media.

Why?

I would tend to believe it is because every word, gesture and look is being picked over, discussed, taken out of context or misreported. These people are under a microscope and having their lives examined and criticised when, as far as anyone knows at this point, the ONLY thing they are 'guilty' of is having a 5 year old go missing. As far as we know, they are the victims but are being treated as if they are the criminals. IMO, it was good advice.

All of this so reminds me of what happened to Mark Lundsford and his parents on the CourtTV board. I couldn't be a part of it and left before they ever found Jessie. I've often wondered how many people who wrote such horrible things ever admitted they were wrong and apologized.

Mark was one I thought was innocent on the get go......

?noanswer

02-14-2009, 10:29 PM

Thanks and no one needs a link with me. I am wondering what went on when the brother stoped by.

The only information we really have is what has been on the media and what posters have decided. LE is not telling anything that relates to evidence. They are basically recounting what they are doing, but not what they have discovered. Both the media and posters get things convulted. Sometimes it like the old telephone game. Start a message, tell it to more people and by the time it gets back to person that started it, it has changed drastically. I see that a lot on posts. Someone will post an opinion, then an hour or so later someone picks up in the middle of the thread, starts asking what happened and before long it is "fact". JMO

sunstar

02-14-2009, 10:29 PM

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?

At first I thought it was a typo with Crystal's birthdate, but if it isn't ~ :scared: She also looks older than 19-20 now. MOO

OneUp

02-14-2009, 10:29 PM

I, too, have worked with at-risk kids my whole adult life - I, too, have seen it all.

I didn't know that Haleigh had been seen after Ron left for work. Now I gotta tweek my theory (again lol). :smile:
Don't tweak too hard tho.! She was only seen by Misty's Brother and his kids, and AFAIK, LE hasn't confirmed OR denied that.
It is just the current report. We all KNOW how many conflicting things were out there at first in this case!
I believe she was alive when he left FWIW.

sunstar

02-14-2009, 10:31 PM

I know and I have no problem with it except that this seems to be a permanent situation. If they put another bed in there this must be the normal place for them to sleep. The kids have slept with me many a night when they were young but I didn't move there bed in the room with me. IMO

And what's in the other bedrooms(s)? It seems really odd since some nights he'd be in the room too ~ with the g/f and the kids. :confused:

breeze53

02-14-2009, 10:33 PM

Hello everyone

Hi MrLucky are we in the right place lol.

Pat

02-14-2009, 10:33 PM

What am I reading wrong

Haleigh Ann Marie 8/16/03

Crystal Sheffield 8/30/89 Bio Mother

That means that Crystal was 13 when Haleigh was born?

Crystal's MySpace page has her in her 20's (23?), and a couple of posters have said she gave the same age in an interview.

The document that gives her birthyear as '89 also has Haleigh's sex listed as male.

ttcRider

02-14-2009, 10:33 PM

I didn't read it but I don't think body language is not 100% accurate anyway. I notice a lot of people do that as a matter of course. It's partially habit I believe.

I think some people do it sometimes to help them dig thru their memory. The same way people sometimes roll their eyes to the ceiling when they're trying to recall info.

I did a quick google on it and basically came up with the same conclusion as you. I tried finding the original article in question from the CA thread but couldnt find it.