Friday, February 13th #2

[HumblePie]

We need a new thread. Come on in the water is fine. :smile:

[IM4Truth]

It looks safe for now but I have to leave for awhile! I hope it gets nicer and posters show more concern about a missing child than whose theory is the only right one.

[Snewpy]

Good afternoon. I'm still reading the other thread and trying to catch up. Has anyone else questioned WHY a grown man has a 17 year old girlfriend LIVING with him?

[emdragon]

Any Heart Condition would have been prominent on missing posters and in information given to the media to get the word out.

I missed the conference but the anchors were talking like something was found that leads them to think she is alive but they are sending divers back into the water? color me confused.

[marty]

You might want to let the people on the closed thread that...

Has there been any updates or news today? I haven't been able to get on until now thanks!

[JD1974]

Sorry only heard a small part of the press conf on HNN and the guy talking made it seem like they had found something else because he made the statement they had checked everywhere they had wanted to so far (paraphrasing) and they had found something. So imo that to me that refers to finding something where they had just been checking.


Anyone else catch that? Read it like I did?

[Motomom]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

[HumblePie]

You might want to let the people on the closed thread that...

I'd like to invite them but it's too late. We need to start a new thread before it reaches a 1000 responses - otherwise it takes too long to load.

[Snewpy]

The more I hear/read, the more I am doubting the gf's stories. Not necessarily because I think she's suspicious out right, but there is something NOT truthful. I mean I understand in the terror of the moment you might mix up some minor details.. but that the child was in bed WITH you seems like something you would speak clearly no matter what. She either was or wasn't. I mean, why would it matter if the girl was in her own room asleep.. that's where kids usually sleep.

JMO of course

[emdragon]

Okay who posted on the other thread asking why the teenage girlfriend waited so long to dial up 911? Good point. Whoever you are. BBL!

I don't think her age means that much when it comes to the 911 call- I know many adults who don't immediately know how to act in an emergency. It takes a few minutes for their brain to take in what is happening.

[lune3]

Am I understanding this correctly? I missed the very beginning of the live feed. That they have found items that give them optimism that Haleigh may be alive?

[Deb7]

Hey January! I was referring to cadaver dogs. I haven't heard one way or another if they were brought in. Do you know perchance?
If they had been and they didn't pick up on anything it would lead me to believe that she left the house alive. OTOH if they did pick up a scent then it's a whole new scenario. But you would think the news would have reported that either way by now. :shrug:

[kitty1182]

The g/f's brother that was visting that day, has he been cleared? Has anyone heard?

[marty]

This station has the current news...live

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

Thank you.

[HumblePie]

I guess some people on this site are completely oblivious to how serious this disease is in spite of those here who have posted that their child died due to this.... Here is some information on it.

http://www.medicinenet.com/turner_syndrome/page2.htm#tocc

I understand Turner's Syndrome, all too well. However, in this case it is NOT life threatening. Maybe I missed some of the conversation on the subtleties of her illness, however I believe her underlying condition is a non-issue in this case.

[emdragon]

I guess some people on this site are completely oblivious to how serious this disease is in spite of those here who have posted that their child died due to this.... Here is some information on it.

http://www.medicinenet.com/turner_syndrome/page2.htm#tocc

I know how serious this disease CAN be but every child does not have every complication and no one is reporting that she has a heart condition.
And neither her father or her mother have said anything either, what I read dealing with the custody was that the mother failed to give her the hormone shots and take her to the Dr. Nothing about her heart.

(that would be something they would have plastered on every missing poster)

[ortiga]

I don't think her age means that much when it comes to the 911 call- I know many adults who don't immediately know how to act in an emergency. It takes a few minutes for their brain to take in what is happening.


I can't remember who brought it up last night, but some people readily call the cops, trust them etc. Other sub cultures of Americans look upon the police as the enemy, and not to be called, ever. If the story is true that she got up and the kitchen light was on and the door was open, I agree with the poster that said that maybe she thought Ron had already gotten home, given that he was the only one who could open the back door, she would be thinking. If her story is true, then disorientation would be normal.

I see nothing suspicious in the delay of calling 911. It wasn't so many years ago when people were not at all conditioned to call 911 in a moment's notice. Furthermore, people who are quite self-sufficient would put it off so as not to look foolish if the girl turned up right away, etc.

[omsk99]

Good afternoon. I'm still reading the other thread and trying to catch up. Has anyone else questioned WHY a grown man has a 17 year old girlfriend LIVING with him?

Yes, LOTS of people. And just as many questioned those people how is that significant here or how discussing it so much helps in finding Haleigh. JMO :bored:

[jammies]

Has it been posted what exactly Haleigh had on when she went to bed. i am guessing pj's, but my kids have been known to go to bed in shorts and a t-shirt, t-shirt and undies. Do we know that information?


I thought at the beginning of this case I heard t-shirt and underwear then later I heard pajama's. ??

[Motomom]

Has it been posted what exactly Haleigh had on when she went to bed. i am guessing pj's, but my kids have been known to go to bed in shorts and a t-shirt, t-shirt and undies. Do we know that information?

I thought they said a pink shirt and panties.

[jewel6]

Is anyone reading the blogging next to the video on the news station. one lady lives 300 feet from the trailer and no one has searched her house yet! :scared:

[HI_CYCLE]

After listening to the news conference, I am even more confused.
Searchers found something in their search. No idea what. Reminded viewers that even if relative remove child it is still a illegal abduction.
Maybe the father has had threats from the bio-mothers family or friends to steal her.
Sounded like a warning to someone who knows where she might be. I am sure NO ONE from the family would have thought for one minute this missing girl would balloon into national news.
It makes me recall the fathers threat,the law better find who ever took his little girl before he does. Hummm. Maybe dad has an idea who it is. tell you the truth, it wouldn`t surprise me.

[emdragon]

I can't remember who brought it up last night, but some people readily call the cops, trust them etc. Other sub cultures of Americans look upon the police as the enemy, and not to be called, ever. If the story is true that she got up and the kitchen light was on and the door was open, I agree with the poster that said that maybe she thought Ron had already gotten home, given that he was the only one who could open the back door, she would be thinking. If her story is true, then disorientation would be normal.

I see nothing suspicious in the delay of calling 911. It wasn't so many years ago when people were not at all conditioned to call 911 in a moment's notice. Furthermore, people who are quite self-sufficient would put it off so as not to look foolish if the girl turned up right away, etc.

I admit to hesitating in calling 911 for myself- because I didn't want them to come unnecessarily. I wanted to be sure it was an emergency.
But then I'm one of those people who apologizes to the Dr for being sick. lol

[ortiga]

Has it been posted what exactly Haleigh had on when she went to bed. i am guessing pj's, but my kids have been known to go to bed in shorts and a t-shirt, t-shirt and undies. Do we know that information?


pink shirt and panties is what was posted last night

[SavannahStar]

Good afternoon. I'm still reading the other thread and trying to catch up. Has anyone else questioned WHY a grown man has a 17 year old girlfriend LIVING with him?

He likes 'em young?

Different strokes for different folks?

Probably not the wisest choice, but I honestly don't think it's relevant to Haleigh's disappearance.

[JD1974]

Is anyone reading the blogging next to the video on the news station. one lady lives 300 feet from the trailer and no one has searched her house yet! :scared:


Yeah i just read that, not to mention all the other comments they are making over there....

[omsk99]

~snip

"Rose said today was a "very productive day" in the search and that searchers had found several items of interest.

He would not say any more about what has been found, but said teams are still searching homes, the woods, and waterways near Haleigh's home with all their resources."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131262&catid=3

[Motomom]

After listening to the news conference, I am even more confused.
Searchers found something in their search. No idea what. Reminded viewers that even if relative remove child it is still a illegal abduction.
Maybe the father has had threats from the bio-mothers family or friends to steal her.
Sounded like a warning to someone who knows where she might be. I am sure NO ONE from the family would have thought for one minute this missing girl would balloon into national news.
It makes me recall the fathers threat,the law better find who ever took his little girl before he does. Hummm. Maybe dad has an idea who it is. tell you the truth, it wouldn`t surprise me.


Hmmmm interesting. And LE is still saying it's an abduction.. and I forget what else I was going to say LOL

[fastpitch]

The officer on the news kept saying repeatedly, that "items of interest" have been found by the volunteers.

They are hoping that she is alive.

Me, too.

[JD1974]

After listening to the news conference, I am even more confused.
Searchers found something in their search. No idea what. Reminded viewers that even if relative remove child it is still a illegal abduction.
Maybe the father has had threats from the bio-mothers family or friends to steal her.
Sounded like a warning to someone who knows where she might be. I am sure NO ONE from the family would have thought for one minute this missing girl would balloon into national news.
It makes me recall the fathers threat,the law better find who ever took his little girl before he does. Hummm. Maybe dad has an idea who it is. tell you the truth, it wouldn`t surprise me.


I actually hope it is a family member, then hopefully she hasn't been harmed! I really at first thought it was the moms family....

[jewel6]

Yeah i just read that, not to mention all the other comments they are making over there....

id you see the one about the girlfriends family member that is suddenly missing? :scared:

[emdragon]

ok just saw a snipet of the PC- interesting- he said "even if hayleigh wondered off on her own and someone found her" it is an abduction.

Maybe my first instincts were right and she got out of that door herself..

[kitty1182]

Is anyone reading the blogging next to the video on the news station. one lady lives 300 feet from the trailer and no one has searched her house yet! :scared:

They should be checking every house and all the parked cars......

[Motomom]

I actually hope it is a family member, then hopefully she hasn't been harmed! I really at first thought it was the moms family....

I'm with you JD.. even on the moms family.

[CC I See]

I saw a comment on thread 1 and wanted to comment and since it is closed will do so here.

Re: keys. My apartment is a rental and has dead bolt locks. No one can open it from the outside even with a key when the inside dead bolt is locked. As I understand the Cummunigs home had dead bolt locks and they were locked.... so no one even with a key could have entered. The question I have is if these locks were locked.....the Dad said that they were when he left. So even if a previous tenant or a relative had a key, these doors could not be opened using a key.

Most rentals require dead bolt locks for security reasons since owners and maintenance workers have keys.

[kitty1182]

id you see the one about the girlfriends family member that is suddenly missing? :scared:

:confused::confused:

[emdragon]

OK, non issue.... Just a child who requires medication who is missing and NOT on it.... non issue. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The medication isn't something that is for a life or death condition. She is getting hormones- important but not life or death.

[jakee]

id you see the one about the girlfriends family member that is suddenly missing? :scared:

What? :huh: Where are you all reading this if I may ask?

[Rayosunshine]

I read on today's earlier thread that when LE arrived on the scene, the washing machine was running. I understand LE would have arrived after 3:30a.m.. Did Misty mention that she went to sleep at about 10:00 or 11:00 pm? If so, the washer had a 4 - 5+ hour cycle???? I've never heard of that. I've also never heard of any washer/dryer being on a timer to start at a certain time. I wonder what was in the washer - could it be the "items of interest" that were found?

Am seeing Turner's Syndrome mentioned on this thread. Do we know that Hayleigh does in fact have this condition?

[omsk99]

ok just saw a snipet of the PC- interesting- he said "even if hayleigh wondered off on her own and someone found her" it is an abduction.

Maybe my first instincts were right and she got out of that door herself..

From this article:

"Rose added that the investigation is still being treated as an abduction, and that it's an abduction if she was taken from her home, or if she left her home and was picked up by someone else later."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131262&catid=3

[ortiga]

It makes me recall the fathers threat,the law better find who ever took his little girl before he does. Hummm. Maybe dad has an idea who it is. tell you the truth, it wouldn`t surprise me.

You just kind of tapped into my subconsicous, lol, I remember thinking his wording was a little odd, and chalked it off to him being so angry due to powerlessness. But he could have a suspicion, some relative of the mother, or her boyfriend.......

[HI_CYCLE]

I actually hope it is a family member, then hopefully she hasn't been harmed! I really at first thought it was the moms family....I pray it is a family member and they don`t panic and make things worse.
usually in a situation like this in many counties, the deputy would pick up the child, return her to the legal guardian and slap then on the wrist. You think I am kidding? I am not

[Rayosunshine]

Is there a link about the child's medical condition? Thanks

[Unperson1984]

I'm with you JD.. even on the moms family.

Do Haleigh and the little boy have the same mother?

[SavannahStar]

I can agree with this too- but why only take Haliegh? Why not her brother too if she was taken by a family member. Not that I would want the little boys missing as well (God NO) but well you know what I am asking.... IMO

That's actually an excellent point!

[JD1974]

Hmmmm interesting. And LE is still saying it's an abduction.. and I forget what else I was going to say LOL


Very interesting that he said even if the person is a family member it is illegal...that spoke huge volumes to me. They may be getting some conflicting stories from the other family members, I agree with the other poster, kind of like a warning.

[SavannahStar]

Is there a link about the child's medical condition? Thanks

I saw it in one of the news reports, but don't have a link, sorry.

[Snewpy]

Yes, LOTS of people. And just as many questioned those people how is that significant here or how discussing it so much helps in finding Haleigh. JMO :bored:

I only feel it relevant in that SHE was the last person to have seen the little girl, AND her stories aren't jiving. In most states, it would be a crime for such a relationship to exist, and because it DOES we now find there's a 5 year old missing and only this 17 year old to question in regards to it. JMO...

[JD1974]

id you see the one about the girlfriends family member that is suddenly missing? :scared:


Whoa, no I missed that!

[jewel6]

What? :huh: Where are you all reading this if I may ask?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

There are neighbors blogging next to the broadcast. really interesting. jmo

[jammies]

I do beleive you are right.

On the last thread it was being debated about the cinder blocks and if they could pick up evidence. With touch DNA.....YES! Even if the supposed intruder`s pants brushed up against it where DNA cells were present.

If it was an intruder then I just bet with this brazen an act this is not the first time he has done something like this and has probably been caught before. His DNA would hopefully be on file. The sad thing being that these types rarely leave there victims alive.



On the 911 call doesn't Misty say "pajama's"? I swear I heard that. (or I'm going crazy!)

[jakee]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

There are neighbors blogging next to the broadcast. really interesting. jmo

Thank you! I appreciate it.

[JD1974]

I can agree with this too- but why only take Haliegh? Why not her brother too if she was taken by a family member. Not that I would want the little boys missing as well (God NO) but well you know what I am asking.... IMO


The only thing I can think of is either a) they couldn't get to the boy because he was too close to Misty b) they were only worried about Haleigh

[SavannahStar]

On the 911 call doesn't Misty say "pajama's"? I swear I heard that. (or I'm going crazy!)

I heard that also. You're not going crazy.

[?noanswer]

I read on today's earlier thread that when LE arrived on the scene, the washing machine was running. I understand LE would have arrived after 3:30a.m.. Did Misty mention that she went to sleep at about 10:00 or 11:00 pm? If so, the washer had a 4 - 5+ hour cycle???? I've never heard of that. I've also never heard of any washer/dryer being on a timer to start at a certain time. I wonder what was in the washer - could it be the "items of interest" that were found?


Am seeing Turner's Syndrome mentioned on this thread. Do we know that Hayleigh does in fact have this condition?

I can set my washing machine to start at a later time. JMO

[omsk99]

I only feel it relevant in that SHE was the last person to have seen the little girl, AND her stories aren't jiving. In most states, it would be a crime for such a relationship to exist, and because it DOES we now find there's a 5 year old missing and only this 17 year old to question in regards to it. JMO...

I am sorry, but I still do not see any relevance between her age and Heligh going missing. She did what any babysitter or a parent would do - put the girl to bed at 8 pm because she had a school day the following day. She would have done the same thing if she were 50, IMO.

[Snewpy]

I can set my washing machine to start at a later time. JMO

I can too.. I can set mine to delay start for up to 10 hours. But.. and I'm NOT trying to imply anything or be snarky... it seems like a feature on a more expensive washing machine than might normally be found in a manufactured home. JMO

[boo]

I guess some people on this site are completely oblivious to how serious this disease is in spite of those here who have posted that their child died due to this.... Here is some information on it.

http://www.medicinenet.com/turner_syndrome/page2.htm#tocc

It was my daughter who died of complications of Turners Syndrome at birth, and no, even after spending hours with a renowned Geneticist, I still didn't "get" it, or even care. My daughter was dead and that's all I could think about.

I don't know who is guilty or innocent here. I just know that IMO, too much significance is being placed on insignificant nonsense, ie., smoking.

[jammies]

I heard that also. You're not going crazy.



Thanks. Thank heavens I don't have to make a psych appt! (yet, anyway)

[JD1974]

Do Haleigh and the little boy have the same mother?



I believe so yes.

[Rayosunshine]

I don't think someone living in a manufactured home would be doing laundry at 3 in the morning unless something happened recently.

JMO

Agreed. If this is true, makes you wonder.

[JD1974]

Do you hear the newscasters...can't just say I don't trust the girlfriend...do they know people can hear them??????

[Snewpy]

I am sorry, but I still do not see any relevance between her age and Heligh going missing. She did what any babysitter or a parent would do - put the girl to bed at 8 pm because she had a school day the following day. She would have done the same thing if she were 50, IMO.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I am not saying there is a direct correlation to her age and Haleigh being missing. I am saying that I find it unusual for a teenager to be in essence the mother of the house when it is normally illegal for such a relationship to exist. And because she IS in that role, she is the one link to what happened. That's the only point I was trying to make.

[emdragon]

The only thing I can think of is either a) they couldn't get to the boy because he was too close to Misty b) they were only worried about Haleigh

Maybe they thought if the father "lost" Hayleigh the court would turn custody over to the mother- then Hayleigh could miraculously be found.

[Rayosunshine]

It was my daughter who died of complications of Turners Syndrome at birth, and no, even after spending hours with a renowned Geneticist, I still didn't "get" it, or even care. My daughter was dead and that's all I could think about.

I don't know who is guilty or innocent here. I just know that IMO, too much significance is being placed on insignificant nonsense, ie., smoking.

So sorry boo. I wasn't aware of your loss. I thought Turner's was in reference to Haleigh. Bless you.

[Armchairdet]

In my opinion if it was a family member, they may have intended to take both children but stopped because of any number of reasons. Fear of going back in for him because the child was in a bed with an adult so waking the adult was chancy. They already had the girl outside and probably awake, so they had gone to far to just put her back? Maybe they were going back for the boy when dad's gf woke up so they fled? I have been awoken in the night without knowing what woke me up. Maybe she (gf) heard a noise but doesn't remember etc.

Just my thoughts, opinions, possibilities I have considered.

[JD1974]

Maybe they thought if the father "lost" Hayleigh the court would turn custody over to the mother- then Hayleigh could miraculously be found.

Oh wow excellent point!

[SavannahStar]

Do you hear the newscasters...can't just say I don't trust the girlfriend...do they know people can hear them??????

What?

The newscasters are saying they don't trust the g/f?

[ortiga]

I only feel it relevant in that SHE was the last person to have seen the little girl, AND her stories aren't jiving. In most states, it would be a crime for such a relationship to exist, and because it DOES we now find there's a 5 year old missing and only this 17 year old to question in regards to it. JMO...

not fair to blame the relationship for the missing girl. Because of the relationship the 5 year old is missing? please.

[JD1974]

In my opinion if it was a family member, they may have intended to take both children but stopped because of any number of reasons. Fear of going back in for him because the child was in a bed with an adult so waking the adult was chancy. They already had the girl outside and probably awake, so they had gone to far to just put her back? Maybe they were going back for the boy when dad's gf woke up so they fled? I have been awoken in the night without knowing what woke me up. Maybe she (gf) heard a noise but doesn't remember etc.

Just my thoughts, opinions, possibilities I have considered.

Would also explain why Haleigh would leave without a fight, if it is a family member.

Or even had her unlock the door! Would explain the light being on, Haleigh pulls a chair up and unlocks it.

[desmom]

Is there a link about the child's medical condition? Thanks

Playing catch up and apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

[JD1974]

What?

The newscasters are saying they don't trust the g/f?

I am not sure now, because it may be about comments they are receiving...saying they can't just say those kinds of things on the air like that.

[marty]

Very interesting that he said even if the person is a family member it is illegal...that spoke huge volumes to me. They may be getting some conflicting stories from the other family members, I agree with the other poster, kind of like a warning.

But if you think about it alot of time LE will say things to throw off the real person of interest. I am wondering if by them saying this they are trying to hide whats really going on just to throw some folks off maybe get them relaxed so they can screw up......just a thought. I hope and pray shes safe.

[SavannahStar]

I haven't seen a link to the washer running, If true, that is a huge red flag. I know it was reported a blanket was in the washer that the gf said had urine on it.


Okay, can we say washer running is NOT FACT? Or.....can someone provide a link?

BBL....gotta leave for home now. See y'all later.

[desmom]

I haven't seen a link to the washer running, If true, that is a huge red flag. I know it was reported a blanket was in the washer that the gf said had urine on it.

I have not seen any reports about the washing machine running either. jmo

[boo]

So sorry boo. I wasn't aware of your loss. I thought Turner's was in reference to Haleigh. Bless you.


It's okay, Ray, Haleigh does have Turners as well, I just hadn't heard anything about a heart condition.

Last night, I was offended at reading the bio mother referring to her kids as "brats" and wondered if I was missing out on the latest trend of referring to my kids as "snotheads" and "brats". Several of the posters last night, didn't think that was so horrible. I have to wonder though, would these same posters be defending Misty if it were her calling the kids "brats" on her myspace page, or is that a right reserved only for bio parents?

(Thanks Ray! :wub: )

[Snewpy]

not fair to blame the relationship for the missing girl. Because of the relationship the 5 year old is missing? please.

I am clearly not making myself clear, so I'll give up. I only meant that because of the relationship, the gf is the one who was the children's overnight caretaker. And now I'll just go back to lurking. Maybe in everyone else's world this is normal, and I'm the crazy one.

I pray Haleigh is found safe and alive.

[bluwaters]

Live steam 5 PM news:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

[kitty1182]

I haven't seen 1 either probably just a rumor, I can't beleive that his TV station leaves the mikes and camera open during the breaks.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

I can't either..LOL
I don't think they know they are being heard..

[JD1974]

I have trouble with someone saying they installed anything on a manufactured home door- they are fiberglass to begin with and from the view of the house that was posted earlier, it does look to be this kind of door. These are standard and you cannot do anything to them. They are not like usual wooden doors. Either that door was manufactured with one in it or there is no deadbolt. Also when asked by NG, the dad stated it was a plastic lock but too high for Haleigh to reach. IMO


I have a rental modular and it has normal doors. I even replaced the front door last year, same door you would use on a house, just a different size. Are you sure you aren't thinking about the interior doors? Plastic deadbolt...that makes no sense, maybe he is talking about a door latch on the screen door?

[jammies]

I am clearly not making myself clear, so I'll give up. I only meant that because of the relationship, the gf is the one who was the children's overnight caretaker. And now I'll just go back to lurking. Maybe in everyone else's world this is normal, and I'm the crazy one.

I pray Haleigh is found safe and alive.


I'm with ya, Snewpy. No, I don't think it's normal. 17 years old and the live in mommy/gf. Yes, I thinks it FAIR to say that her age raises some issues. I'm in the same world as you, snewpy. :wink:

[emdragon]

And propped the door open?......turned on the light?......started the washer?

If the washer was going at 3 AM......then I have to say this story may not end at all.

The washer was not running.. That all came about because misty talked about washing the blanket the day before.

[Dogmatic]

But we do have the dad asking the girlfriend why she hasn't called 911 yet? That's a red flag for me.


I'm kind of ok with it, and here is why.

1. She's 17
2. These aren't her kids and from the sounds of the 911 call she is residing in a home where the male of the household calls the shots.
3. It was 3 in the morning. No one does their clearest thinking at that time.
4. She probably had not been around for that long. I mean how long could they have all been living together with her only being 17? In short, she didn't KNOW the kids and their habits well enough to make the judgment call that the situation was an urgent one. She was probably exploring all of the innocent explanations first.


Also, I'm guessing there wasn't a great deal of time that lapsed between the 17 year olds discovery and the 911 call. I'm also guessing that Haleigh had already been gone for hours at that time.

[Deb7]

Hi, Deb. Just got back from quick errand & much needed break. I would not count on LE releasing everything they know to the media at this point. I think that they are playing it slow and easy as someone else said on the other thread earlier, slow and easy wins the race and seems to work in these type of cases. I still can't let my mind wander into deceased territory. I am feeling strong strong vibes she is alive.

What is with this they are saying that a family member is missing too? Could this be a custody battle thing we are looking at and not a pedephile abduction or foul play on the part of the g/f?


I went to the link that poster put up about the missing family member, but I didn't see anything there about it. I believe that poster said it was a family member of the g/f.

I definitely am hoping she is still alive.

[desmom]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

Misty said she did not give Haleigh her blanket when she put her to bed at 8:00 because Haleigh had peed on it the night before and it smelled like pee. She said, "I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with."

jmo

[Snewpy]

I'm with ya, Snewpy. No, I don't think it's normal. 17 years old and the live in mommy/gf. Yes, I thinks it FAIR to say that her age raises some issues. I'm in the same world as you, snewpy. :wink:

Thanks, Jammies. I feel better. I really don't try to bring irrelevant things up, and I hadn't heard or read anyone even mentioning it, so I was curiuos. I think I am leaning toward maybe the gf having snuck out to go out with friends or something.. maybe something she does now and then while the kids are asleep... and maybe someone knew that and seized the opportunity. It's so sad.

[kitty1182]

Correct he said just that!!.......Would it not be a huge coincidence that she wakes up to use the bathroom at precisely when the father gets there? He even said she is never is up at that hour. Right from the get go they announced a time delay of about 20 mins. Gosh just a few minutes is too long.

Lots of going ons in that home at 3AM.......espicially if the washer was going!

I thought at first it was said she tried to call him and he wouldn't answer the phone...Then she was standing with the door open while he pulled in....Wasn't she scared that whoever took the girl might come back and take the boy and her too?..I want to know about her phone calls..

[jammies]

Thanks, Jammies. I feel better. I really don't try to bring irrelevant things up, and I hadn't heard or read anyone even mentioning it, so I was curiuos. I think I am leaning toward maybe the gf having snuck out to go out with friends or something.. maybe something she does now and then while the kids are asleep... and maybe someone knew that and seized the opportunity. It's so sad.


I wondered the same. If she did it on a regular basis then someone knew her patterns. Who knows with a 17 yr. old??

[kitty1182]

Thanks, Jammies. I feel better. I really don't try to bring irrelevant things up, and I hadn't heard or read anyone even mentioning it, so I was curiuos. I think I am leaning toward maybe the gf having snuck out to go out with friends or something.. maybe something she does now and then while the kids are asleep... and maybe someone knew that and seized the opportunity. It's so sad.

That's what I think and she's too scared to let Ron know..I think she left the door open so she could get back in when she got back....

[3Monkeys]

Here: http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823 (link about half way down) she talks about washing Hayleigh's blanket because she had wet the bed the night before. It sounds like she washed it when she put them to bed, when she noticed it smelled like pee.

Thanks for this link. Yes, hearing it again, it sounds like she just put a sheet over Haleigh when she put her to bed, washed the blanket (because she noticed it smelled) then when Misty went to bed, she put the freshly washed blanket on Haleigh.

I have no idea why she mentioned her own blanket and how 'they' took it away in the van. I had heard that her brother was over earlier with her nephews, maybe she meant they took it when they left?

I need a Misty decoder!

[Deb7]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

Misty said she did not give Haleigh her blanket when she put her to bed at 8:00 because Haleigh had peed on it the night before and it smelled like pee. She said, "I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with."

jmo


From your link... at about 36 secs in Misty says that she gave Haleigh her blanket, my blanket was in the van that they took.

Now, what exactly is she referring to here? Anyone?

[emdragon]

She did not say the day before. She said she was going to put the blanket on but that she had urinated the blanket the day before and it smelled like pee so she washed the blanket that night and then some mumbling about how she came back to put the blanket on the little girl ...

That would have been the day before she went missing since it was 3AM when it was discovered.

[Deb7]

Thanks for this link. Yes, hearing it again, it sounds like she just put a sheet over Haleigh when she put her to bed, washed the blanket (because she noticed it smelled) then when Misty went to bed, she put the freshly washed blanket on Haleigh.

I have no idea why she mentioned her own blanket and how 'they' took it away in the van. I had heard that her brother was over earlier with her nephews, maybe she meant they took it when they left?

I need a Misty decoder!

Oh wow, I just posted that a minute ago. I wondered that last night when I first heard that interview.

Very strange.

[CC I See]

The dad is the one who installed the dead bolt at placed it too high for the kids to reach. This goes to the fact that he must be very safety conscious. That added to the little girl having health problems........I just find it insane to believe the subject of calling 911 in an emergency never came up in conversation between the father and GF.
... so that if the dead bolt locks were locked from the inside and won't open with a key on the outside, then a no matter how many people had a key, they couldn't have gotten in without forced entry.

Misti had to have let them in or left the door unlocked.

Re: Lie detector tests. LE could be vague about the results or even say they passed to make them think that they were in the clear.....

[jammies]

Jumping off on ya TT, but what I still have a problem with was their *immediate* assumption and proclamation that a pedophile took her. I thought about it today, and I wouldn't have immediately jumped to that conclusion. I would think *anything* could have happened: sleepwalking, the river, fell asleep in a closet playing, and just plain puzzlement at first. I don't think I would have jumped on an abduction right off the bat. I still have a problem with his rant to LE, too. Everyone keeps saying it'sbecause he was mad, shocked, etc., but we hear an awful lot of 911 calls now, and I don't remember one jumping right in off the bat cussing and threatening the "guy who has my daughter". Now, most of us say we would kill someone who hurt out kids, but I've never heard it so quickly. I dunno, it just spooks me.

Agree. That and how they jumped on someone must have picked the lock! Are lock-pickers common in that area?? That would never have crossed my mind. Occum's Razor: door was unlocked, open or someone had a key.

One more thing: when interviewing the gf has anyone seen any tears?

[Rayosunshine]

Playing catch up and apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

Thanks Desmom.

[emdragon]

I find it interesting that it is the mother they are questioning right now and her father knew nothing about the items found-

[playnice]

EquASEARCH turned up some items of interest today.

[Snewpy]

That's what I think and she's too scared to let Ron know..I think she left the door open so she could get back in when she got back....

ohhh I didn't link the door propped open to my "theory" but it makes total sense, Kitty.......

[CC I See]

NOTHING is irrelevant in a kidnapping. :sad:... the plastic lock was on the outer screen door the inside door had a dead bolt lock.

Every second counted from the time that Haleigh was found missing..... we have only Misti's word when she first discovered her missing.

[kitty1182]

I want to know who is "they" and who's van is this and why is Missy's blanket in the van.....:confused:

[ortiga]

Ok so this just hit me- if they are all three in the same bed, that was the first story. Then what is she and the brother covered up in. If she gave Haleigh a sheet then leads me to believe that the story that Haleigh was sleeping somewhere by herself makes more sense to me. IMO

On NG last night Nancy said she re listened to what she had said....she said the girl was sleeping "next to her". So, that could be interpreted as in the bed next to her, in the same bed, etc. I believe that's what the media jumped on and spun into whatever they felt like.

[3Monkeys]

Her and Lee need to get together. What's with the cryptic "they" and why so much TMI on these blankets?

I have to admit all that information did raise my hinky-meter on her.. but I'm not the most articulate person under pressure, and if this was my umpteenth interview after little or no sleep under extreme pressure, I would probably say too much also.... maybe LE or someone else asked her about this in great detail, and that's why she went into detail. For now, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, until more details come out.

I think whomever took her knew that the father would not be there that night. I can't imagine someone breaking into a home knowing that the girls father would be there. I don't know where that leads to - maybe someone they knew, or someone who cased the house.

[emdragon]

Aha! good point! I stand corrected.

I could have said the night before but i tend to generalize with Day.

I think we figured out last night that the difference in the locks was that there are 2 doors- the screen door would have had a "plastic" lock the regular door the dead bolt.

[JD1974]

I live in a doublewide and grew up working in Elkhart building these homes, we paid big money to change out our front door to a normal door last year. If you look at the link provided earlier on thread #1- you can see this is a normal fiberglass mobile home door. White with a little roll out window in it. That one has not been changed- but even more dad did say in his first interview with NG that it "was just" a plastic lock. I have not heard the father say it was a deadbolt- only the bio-mom last night said that is what she was told. IMO


Ahh ok I see about the deadbolt now. So you are meaning the old type white doors with the slit in them is what they have? The kind that are on older trailers I mean? I never had that kind but I bought the house after it was already installed so they may have put the extra money in for the different doors. The doors on mine are just sized differently, but not off by that much a couple inches maybe? They have glass window panes in them, I am not sure if that makes a difference to where you could tell what kind of door that is?

I have seen some that are just white with nothing else on them, no slot to look out etc. so like I said maybe they paid the extra money for different doors.

[desmom]

I have trouble with someone saying they installed anything on a manufactured home door- they are fiberglass to begin with and from the view of the house that was posted earlier, it does look to be this kind of door. These are standard and you cannot do anything to them. They are not like usual wooden doors. Either that door was manufactured with one in it or there is no deadbolt. Also when asked by NG, the dad stated it was a plastic lock but too high for Haleigh to reach. IMO

The plastic lock is on the screen door. jmo

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Grace: OK. And what kind of a lock do you have on your door, the one that was propped open with a cinder block?

Cummings: It's just a little plastic lock on a -- just a regular screen door plastic lock.

[jammies]

Sure have
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=12940@wfts.dayport.com&navCatId=3&rss=823



TY, hadn't seen that. She sounds pretty sincere.

[Armchairdet]

... so that if the dead bolt locks were locked from the inside and won't open with a key on the outside, then a no matter how many people had a key, they couldn't have gotten in without forced entry.

Misti had to have let them in or left the door unlocked.

Re: Lie detector tests. LE could be vague about the results or even say they passed to make them think that they were in the clear.....

Also dad could not have locked them when leaving from the outside. So someone inside had to lock it. It had to be lockable/unlockable from the outside. IMO

[ortiga]

I find it interesting that it is the mother they are questioning right now and her father knew nothing about the items found-


Is this on TV or internet?

[jammies]

Yes I saw tears when she was sitting with who appeared to be her mom.

But you know what, if I broke the law in any way and LE was on to me and asking all kinds of Q`s I would be crying all over the place. I once got a speeding ticket and cried so much the officer let me go.



Oh me too! I cry when scared!! Just watched that interview and she seemed believable. Just don't know what to think.

[BorderCollieMom]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293/1008/WEATHER?Title=Misty_Croslin__who_was_watching_Hale igh__tells_about_herself

Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, has been a key figure in this story. During an interview Friday afternoon, Croslin shared some information about herself:

Much more at link.

Sorry if this is dup.

[Snewpy]

I'm thinking way too much... but I wonder if the dad's inordinate/too sudden amount of anger and rage is because HE knows or suspects that Misty was out when it happened? That he's really angry with her but is standing by her and not wanting to make her look bad? Not that he shouldn't be angry and upset that his child is missing, but it seems like the first reaction in those first minutes would be terror, fear, grief....JMO

[VC2]

Any Heart Condition would have been prominent on missing posters and in information given to the media to get the word out.

I missed the conference but the anchors were talking like something was found that leads them to think she is alive but they are sending divers back into the water? color me confused.

never saw anything refer to a heart condition, we know she needed hormone shots for Turners syndrome. Yes there can be heart issues but that doesnt seem to be the problem for her yet.

i think someone made it up. IMO

[3Monkeys]

Also dad could not have locked them when leaving from the outside. So someone inside had to lock it. It had to be lockable/unlockable from the outside. IMO

I thought the back door was rarely used, and he went out the front door?

I had heard (but I don't know if this has been verified) that the a/c repairman had been there earlier in the day, as well as Misty's brother and nephews. Is it possible that one of them innocently unlocked the door?

[CHICANA]

She did have tears the first day. I imagine it could be explained away, by youth, culture, maturity etc., but I've never seen that kind of being pretty damn sure of a pedophile/abduction so fast, IMO.


Why didn't they suspect bio mom first ?

[VC2]

The more I hear/read, the more I am doubting the gf's stories. Not necessarily because I think she's suspicious out right, but there is something NOT truthful. I mean I understand in the terror of the moment you might mix up some minor details.. but that the child was in bed WITH you seems like something you would speak clearly no matter what. She either was or wasn't. I mean, why would it matter if the girl was in her own room asleep.. that's where kids usually sleep.

JMO of course

sighs.. why do you think it was a separate room? It has been said over and over and over again that there were 2 beds in the room, haighleigh was in the one in front of the tv (the smaller bed) and misty and junior were in the larger bed. all sleeping in the same room

IMO

p.s. could people back up new stuff with links, like that they were in separate rooms, which goes against what has been said in the interviews?

[jammies]

I'm thinking way too much... but I wonder if the dad's inordinate/too sudden amount of anger and rage is because HE knows or suspects that Misty was out when it happened? That he's really angry with her but is standing by her and not wanting to make her look bad? Not that he shouldn't be angry and upset that his child is missing, but it seems like the first reaction in those first minutes would be terror, fear, grief....JMO



MY first instinct would be that she wandered outside. I would be running around outside yelling her name. (whether she was afraid of the dark or not) Never know what kids will do.

[CC I See]

Also dad could not have locked them when leaving from the outside. So someone inside had to lock it. It had to be lockable/unlockable from the outside. IMO

The door that was open (the back door) could have been locked from the inside and then when he left, he could have told Misti to lock the other door with the dead bolt or slider lock from the inside. We just don't know ... if that were so, then he would have had to wake her to be let in.... so that dead bolt or slider lock may not have been in place because of that.

[omsk99]

Would also explain why Haleigh would leave without a fight, if it is a family member.

Or even had her unlock the door! Would explain the light being on, Haleigh pulls a chair up and unlocks it.

How could that person expect that Haleigh would be up to open the door, or it would be her who is up? Or anyone at all? I really don't think a family member from either side was involved. JMO

[Snewpy]

sighs.. why do you think it was a separate room? It has been said over and over and over again that there were 2 beds in the room, haighleigh was in the one in front of the tv (the smaller bed) and misty and junior were in the larger bed. all sleeping in the same room

IMO

p.s. could people back up new stuff with links, like that they were in separate rooms, which goes against what has been said in the interviews?

and originally she said she WAS in the same bed. I'm not saying there isn't more information clarifying SINCE then, I'm just saying that why would you say she was in YOUR bed? That's VERY different than in another bed in the same room, if you ask me.

[ortiga]

and originally she said she WAS in the same bed. I'm not saying there isn't more information clarifying SINCE then, I'm just saying that why would you say she was in YOUR bed? That's VERY different than in another bed in the same room, if you ask me.


she said the girl was sleeping next to her, according to NG.

[MidnightBlu]

and originally she said she WAS in the same bed. I'm not saying there isn't more information clarifying SINCE then, I'm just saying that why would you say she was in YOUR bed? That's VERY different than in another bed in the same room, if you ask me.


When did Missy say that she was in the same bed?

According to NG Missy only said that Haleigh was "next to her."

[5boxersmom]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

Now this should be the aerial view of the house that was posted earlier. Took me a bit to get a grip on the door due to the view but there is no screen door on here and it look to be a white fiberglass door with the normal small windows in them. Correct me if I am wrong.... Please. LOL

I saw this pic earlier and wanted to comment. It looks like a brown metal storm door. Then a white door. I see it was a side door not a back door. So would that be the laundry room area? Where the door comes in?

I have seen many floor plans for doublewides and usually the back or side door comes in to the laundry room.

[HumblePie]

I agree. That's what I'm thinking. Like the anger would come a little later when you realize, hey! she really IS missing and there's NOT another explanation.

His response made NO sense. If I came home and found my daughter missing, I'd be swearing like a sailor. However, I would NEVER say that I'm going to kill another person. He didn't know the true circumstances surrounding his missing daughter. Sorry, NONE of it makes any sense. :cursing::cursing::cursing:

[emdragon]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293/1008/WEATHER?Title=Misty_Croslin__who_was_watching_Hale igh__tells_about_herself

Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, has been a key figure in this story. During an interview Friday afternoon, Croslin shared some information about herself:

Much more at link.

Sorry if this is dup.

thank you

Settles one argument. she did watch the kids a lot.

[CC I See]

I don't know, Lomar. :confused: I hate this case. It reeks of nasty!..... you got that right! You can almost feel the nasty in Nancy Grace when she reports on this case.

[3Monkeys]

she said the girl was sleeping next to her, according to NG.

Which technically is true... in a different bed. Everything has been said about the sleeping arrangements, which IMO is why it's so confusing.

The link in post 170 clarifies from an interview with Misty this afternoon that they were in the same room, in different beds.

[Armchairdet]

The door that was open (the back door) could have been locked from the inside and then when he left, he could have told Misti to lock the other door with the dead bolt or slider lock from the inside. We just don't know ... if that were so, then he would have had to wake her to be let in.... so that dead bolt or slider lock may not have been in place because of that.


Yes I also heard that he said his gf is rarely awake at that time, so he would have had to be able to get in with a key. I need to read more I am probably missing something. IMO

[ortiga]

thank you

Settles one argument. she did watch the kids a lot.


And that she had spent a lot of time babysitting various nieces and nephews.

[CC I See]

Which technically is true... in a different bed. Everything has been said about the sleeping arrangements, which IMO is why it's so confusing.

The link in post 170 clarifies from an interview with Misty this afternoon that they were in the same room, in different beds.

... most double wide bedrooms are not big. Two beds in a room is crowded.

[BorderCollieMom]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

Now this should be the aerial view of the house that was posted earlier. Took me a bit to get a grip on the door due to the view but there is no screen door on here and it look to be a white fiberglass door with the normal small windows in them. Correct me if I am wrong.... Please. LOL


I cant even see a door except maybe on the end ? Ive never seen a trailor with a BACK door on the end / side. I cant see the backside good enough.

[JD1974]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

Now this should be the aerial view of the house that was posted earlier. Took me a bit to get a grip on the door due to the view but there is no screen door on here and it look to be a white fiberglass door with the normal small windows in them. Correct me if I am wrong.... Please. LOL


Honestly, it looks like either a window or a screen door, I can see a dark line that only passes through that door/window area. Like the part that seperates the top from the bottom on a screen door, or a window.

Ok my husband said look to the right, it is a door, that is a porch light. But it has a line through it like a screen door if you look about halfway down the door. I am refering to the door on the side. If you mean the little window looking thing on the back of the house, that looks like one of those small over the sink windows.

Last edit lol sorry. I see a white door but it looks like a screen door over it as I explained above. It is at the end, my husband seen the porch light.

[Snewpy]

When did Missy say that she was in the same bed?

According to NG Missy only said that Haleigh was "next to her."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131177&catid=295

in this link it says she told LE that she was in the bed with her

[bluwaters]

I agree. That's what I'm thinking. Like the anger would come a little later when you realize, hey! she really IS missing and there's NOT another explanation.
Ron seems to have some real big anger control issues, IMO. I am not saying that he is guilty of anything, but just seems like the sort of guy who snaps first, thinks it over later.
I do think that Misty is afraid of him. She probably should be. I bet that he calls all the shots and she scurries around to please him.

[Armchairdet]

Right! There could have been that explanation. I just think that was an awfully quick conclusion of the pedophile...

I also thought that bio mom would be first suspect, in their mind anyway. Also I think my mind wouldn't be able to go the pedophile route so soon. I mean she hadn't been gone long enough at that point to know for sure she wasn't playing hide and seek. IMO.

[emdragon]

sighs.. why do you think it was a separate room? It has been said over and over and over again that there were 2 beds in the room, haighleigh was in the one in front of the tv (the smaller bed) and misty and junior were in the larger bed. all sleeping in the same room

IMO

p.s. could people back up new stuff with links, like that they were in separate rooms, which goes against what has been said in the interviews?

Even NG had to admit she went back through stuff and Misti never said they were in the same bed. She said "sleeping next to me"

[3Monkeys]

... most double wide bedrooms are not big. Two beds in a room is crowded.

I'm just making reference to what was most recently reported...
I agree that it could be crowded...but I don't know the layout.
(O/T I can barely fit one bed in my own apt bedroom, but that's NY - lol)

[Snewpy]

Which technically is true... in a different bed. Everything has been said about the sleeping arrangements, which IMO is why it's so confusing.

The link in post 170 clarifies from an interview with Misty this afternoon that they were in the same room, in different beds.

Thanks, 3.. I understand the sleeping arrangements now.. I'm just more confused by what she said originally. I thought there were three versions of what she'd said about where Haleigh was sleeping. I know things have changed, been clarified since the initial reports.

[MidnightBlu]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131177&catid=295

in this link it says she told LE that she was in the bed with her

Thanks for the link!

[emdragon]

And that she had spent a lot of time babysitting various nieces and nephews.

yep she was use to handling kids.

[CC I See]

I cant even see a door except maybe on the end ? Ive never seen a trailor with a BACK door on the end / side. I cant see the backside good enough.... it will be very interesting to find out what prints they get off that door and block holding it open. Something off about it.

[happy2bme]

I also thought that bio mom would be first suspect, in their mind anyway. Also I think my mind wouldn't be able to go the pedophile route so soon. I mean she hadn't been gone long enough at that point to know for sure she wasn't playing hide and seek. IMO.


Lets say the mother did take her. Why would she not take her son as well?

[emdragon]

Well I guess that resolves and answers the questions of whether she was the full time caretaker of the children for those nay sayers.

Yes I believe I already pointed that out.

[ttcRider]

From where I sit, (here on the bench) I find it hard to believe that IF Misty is involved that she would be able to hide her body so well that the searchers haven't found her yet.. Unless she had access to a vehicle? :confused: The time line is out of whack.

[kitty1182]

Honestly, it looks like either a window or a screen door, I can see a dark line that only passes through that door/window area. Like the part that seperates the top from the bottom on a screen door, or a window.

Ok my husband said look to the right, it is a door, that is a porch light. But it has a line through it like a screen door if you look about halfway down the door. I am refering to the door on the side. If you mean the little window looking thing on the back of the house, that looks like one of those small over the sink windows.

Last edit lol sorry. I see a white door but it looks like a screen door over it as I explained above. It is at the end, my husband seen the porch light.

I see it now...

[ttcRider]

Argh! That's true, too. I wish we knew more. :sad:

Sometimes a nap is all I need. :tonguewag:

[jewel6]

misti is a tiny girl from the pictures ive seen. for cops not to be able to find haleigh puzzles me! JMO

[Armchairdet]

Lets say the mother did take her. Why would she not take her son as well?

I mentioned that earlier. Interupted perhaps when gf woke up, or found the little boy was with the gf and it was to risky, but they had already commited to taking the girl and took off. I don't know. imo

[NikkiG77058]

Well I guess that resolves and answers the questions of whether she was the full time caretaker of the children for those nay sayers.

You crack me up, Brat!!

Any news on the 'items of interest'?

[HumblePie]

Plus someone else pointed out earlier that in some report he is going on and on with severe foul language talking about his girlfriend, so that in itself tells me there is no respect there, there is a huge temper problem and that he definitely verbally abuses her and possibly physically. I said possibly. So don't attack.

This family has things going on that I don't understand. But what I do understand is leaving your child with a caring and loving adult. Not some teen girlfriend. :cursing::cursing:

[Dunlurken]

Lets say the mother did take her. Why would she not take her son as well?

The mother lived 90 miles away. Does she have an alibi?

[3Monkeys]

FYI - there have been a few new 'twitter' entries in the last hour, FWIW:

feed://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/16874839.rss

[kitty1182]

misti is a tiny girl from the pictures ive seen. for cops not to be able to find haleigh puzzles me! JMO

She said her brother and his kids were there. I wonder if he has been cleared by LE..

[CHICANA]

From where I sit, (here on the bench) I find it hard to believe that IF Misty is involved that she would be able to hide her body so well that the searchers haven't found her yet.. Unless she had access to a vehicle? :confused: The time line is out of whack.

It is hard to believe but then we have to remember where Caylee was & she wasn't found for months.

[happy2bme]

The mother lived 90 miles away. Does she have an alibi?

I don't know Dunnie. I am sure LE will check her cell phone pings.

[WillowInFlight]

FYI - there have been a few new 'twitter' entries in the last hour, FWIW:

feed://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/16874839.rss

Thanks 3Monkeys

[emdragon]

She said her brother and his kids were there. I wonder if he has been cleared by LE..

Wasn't it you that asked that earlier up thread? It is a very good question, wish I knew the answer.

[missinglink]

Sometimes a nap is all I need. :tonguewag:

Is this who I think it is? New clothes? Nap?

[jewel6]

She said her brother and his kids were there. I wonder if he has been cleared by LE..

I have no clue, but doesnt he live in the neighborhood too?

[WillowInFlight]

It is hard to believe but then we have to remember where Caylee was & she wasn't found for months.

Isn't that the truth, I wonder if under the house was checked.

[Deb7]

thank you

Settles one argument. she did watch the kids a lot.

I noticed that too. She even goes as far as to say 24/7.

[MidnightBlu]

This family has things going on that I don't understand. But what I do understand is leaving your child with a caring and loving adult. Not some teen girlfriend. :cursing::cursing:

Ronald probably does think that his gf is caring, loving and an adult (yes she is 17 but I am sure he doesn't view her as a child). Would he be with her if he thought otherwise?

[5boxersmom]

I was just saying the same thing about my sister in laws. She bought it brand new 10 years ago about. It had a fireplace, skylights, cathedral ceiling, 2 bedrooms, 2 full baths and a modern appointed kitchen. Also she had a spare room build on the side which was an atrium deal with the gray rounded glass windows going up into the ceiling. You would never know from inside it was a mobile home, except for the skirt on the outside covering the wheels. Doublewide. I was under the impression you could design the interiors to your liking on these. No????

You can even have a foundation under them and convert them to Real Estate just like a house. My sister use to sell them. :biggrin:

[Jack]

I don't think someone living in a manufactured home would be doing laundry at 3 in the morning unless something happened recently.

JMO

Was the washer and dryer inside the home or outside in a shed or garage? Pardon me, if this has been asked and answered. Sort of odd that the washing machine was washing clothes at 3am.

[missinglink]

The mother lived 90 miles away. Does she have an alibi?

Dun??? I'm so confused right now I can't think.

Oh my, I think I need a nap here! Goodnight everyone. Stay safe.

[ttcRider]

Oh GREAT point! I can't see the forest for the trees sometimes. (I'm on Chicana's side now, ttc! :tonguewag:)

DOH! :glare:

[CC I See]

Dun??? I'm so confused right now I can't think.

Oh my, I think I need a nap here! Goodnight everyone. Stay safe.... she said that she was home that night.

[kitty1182]

Wasn't it you that asked that earlier up thread? It is a very good question, wish I knew the answer.

Yes,lol....I didn't know if it had been answered or not......I leave for a few minutes and I get behind..

[Deb7]

Too much to ask of a 17 year old h.s. kid if you ask me! :cursing: It's not fair for her and secondly it's not adequate supervision for the children.

I agree. It is very hard on a teenage mother when it is her own children oftentimes. Although, it would be quite a stretch to even pretend that she could have mothered Haleigh at age 12, which Misty would have been when Haleigh was born.

[WillowInFlight]

I am having a problem with the time line. Assuming that the father came home about 3 a.M. why would a kidnapper plan it so close to the time dad returns.

Didn't he say he usually gets home around 3:30? Do we know what time she was taken?

[jammies]

I am having a problem with the time line. Assuming that the father came home about 3 a.M. why would a kidnapper plan it so close to the time dad returns.


We don't have any info on when she went missing. Only that the gf woke up around 3 am and NOTICED she wasn't there.

[Armchairdet]

I am not saying this is the case, but sometimes people get in relationships for reasons other than being in love. Perhaps they don't want to be alone. A 17 year old without much of an education (if I understand correctly) is limited on jobs that pay enough to support them. Especially in todays job market. So, living with someone and not being alone may seem like a plan. A man that works a lot to support his children may find it cheaper to have a live in girlfriend than to pay for overnight child care. I am not saying they are not a loving couple, I am just saying that there may be a circumstance only they really understand. Also a young lady of 17 would have limited experience being the adult in charge in a way that is far different than being a 17 year old babysitter. None of this explains what happened to the little girl, but it can shed some light on why their behavior seems odd at times. IMO

[MidnightBlu]

That means nothing, people make poor decisions all the time of all ages while having a bad perception of reality. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I never said that it wasn't a poor decision. I simply said that he probably views her as a loving, caring, adult.

[Ice Cycle]

Their is a reason they call a 17 year old a teenager and not a adult. With that said though, most 17 year olds do babysit and some on a regular basis and are responsible enough. I really don't think that is the main factor here. The reason why is even if she did leave and come back or had people over that still would not add up. As who ever took this child had to have planned it and that could of even been one of his friends(someone he knew). Even if they knew he was not home, I just don't think this was a spare of moment thing.
I think it is likely one of these three things.

Overly correction/abuse from either of them.

The Bio Mom, the way she acted in the interviews that I saw- she was not a happy camper with the court or that the court had given him custody. I wonder if she did not decide to take matters into her own hands, and has that child somewhere. I realize that is kind of a reach but ...

A stalker who had been planning this.

One other thing, though I have some sympathy for GA- I believe part of
his presence there is to input the idea that it might be a serial child stalker in FL- which is doubtful.



Ice Cycle

[CC I See]

I wash clothes at three a.m. --------when the younger family members are staying overnight and throw up on the sheets, or wet the bed. Otherwise I would have to agree. Odd.... I wonder what cycle they were on when Ronald came home.

[emdragon]

Well even if Misti is telling the truth 100% we still don't know how long Hayleigh was gone from that house- she could have been taken hours earlier once Misti was asleep.

[sachae]

YW, I agree with you that she does.



After seeing her in the picture and reading what she has said I feel badly about what I wrote this morning saying that I did not believe that she did anything to harm the little girl but thought that maybe she went out with some friends, and I never thought she was seeing someone behind Ronald's back, but because she sounded so young, I jumped to the wrong conclusion, and I am truly sorry about that, I do not think she even went out, I believe that she was asleep, and I have no idea who did what at this time. Not going to go there yet, but I do not think she is alive, and that is very sad!!

[emdragon]

... I wonder what cycle they were on when Ronald came home.

Washer was NOT running-

[WillowInFlight]

Well even if Misti is telling the truth 100% we still don't know how long Hayleigh was gone from that house- she could have been taken hours earlier once Misti was asleep.

Didn't Misti say she went to bed 10-10:30, That child could have been gone 3-4 hours. IMO

[CC I See]

I am not saying this is the case, but sometimes people get in relationships for reasons other than being in love. Perhaps they don't want to be alone. A 17 year old without much of an education (if I understand correctly) is limited on jobs that pay enough to support them. Especially in todays job market. So, living with someone and not being alone may seem like a plan. A man that works a lot to support his children may find it cheaper to have a live in girlfriend than to pay for overnight child care. I am not saying they are not a loving couple, I am just saying that there may be a circumstance only they really understand. Also a young lady of 17 would have limited experience being the adult in charge in a way that is far different than being a 17 year old babysitter. None of this explains what happened to the little girl, but it can shed some light on why their behavior seems odd at times. IMO

... yes, maybe he needed a free housekeeper and Nanny for his children.

[happy2bme]

... I wonder what cycle they were on when Ronald came home.


Do we know for a fact she was washing clothes?

[jammies]

Did Ronald go outside and search for her? Yell for her?

[CC I See]

Washer was NOT running-OK, it's just that someone stated as fact earlier that it was.

[jammies]

boy that was a stupid question on my part. time to leave the board.


NO NO NO!!! Not a stupid question. I get confused all the time. Glad so many are here to clear things up!

Stick around!

[missinglink]

... she said that she was home that night.

Sorry...I'm confused because I saw Dun post after I thought Dun was wearing new clothes for some reason.

Sorry Dun! Gotta run. I just took double my meds today, instead of ibuprofin. I need to call my doctor to make sure it's okay, heart meds, high blood pressure, thyroid meds, etc.

See you later!

[jammies]

What I just heard was somewhere around 3. She remembers a 3, if I heard right.


I believe that's when she's asked what time did she wake up to use the bathroom.

[VC2]

On the 911 call doesn't Misty say "pajama's"? I swear I heard that. (or I'm going crazy!)

a pink shirt and panties can be a little ones pajamas. It doesn't mean they fit the definition word, just that they think of pajamas as what the kids go to sleep in

[CC I See]

a pink shirt and panties can be a little ones pajamas. It doesn't mean they fit the definition word, just that they think of pajamas as what the kids go to sleep in

... she also stated that Haleigh was her daughter.

[ttcRider]

Did I hear TES found some items of interest today?

[MidnightBlu]

... she also stated that Haleigh was her daughter.

Yet she didn't know her birthday...

[emdragon]

... she also stated that Haleigh was her daughter.

Well isn't that easier and fast to say than to try and explain the relationship on a 911 call where the dispatcher really doesn't need to know the relationship just what happened.

[bluwaters]

Yes, but here's the thing. Nobody in the family on either side seemed to have a problem with that. The father was quite comfortable leaving his kids with a girl he only recently met and/or moved in with, the bio mom didn't seem to be that concerned nor did the grandmother from Nancy's show last night. None of them raised this as I would be screaming about this if I were in their shoes.

And the feeling around here that some people seem to think this is perfectly fine leaves me a-wondering. What gives! :confused:
It's a less than ideal, all American, Leave it to Beaver kind of set up I agree.
It is also very much a reality in many communities.
I'm not saying that it's perfectly fine, just real life for lots of peeps.
It's a hard scrabble life for some.
This little area of Florida is very poor.
Ron is doing well to have a steady job and be able to provide for his family.
It doesn't mean it's a recipe for this kind of disaster.
Jessica Lunsford was abducted from her grandparents' home.
When someone unlawfully enters a home in the middle of the night and abducts a child, the sleeping caregivers are crime victims.
If that's what happened to Haleigh.
AFAIK, it is what happened.

I feel encouraged by LE's statement today that they have good reason to believe that Haleigh is alive.

Please Lord, let this sweet baby come home safe and sound!

[fierce1]

I wonder why only a few pictures are being shown. Didn't this family have more than 4 or 5 pictures to give out to the public? One of the pictures is from the back and really blurry. You can't even make out her face.

I would think they would release tons of pictures so people can really see her face in case they run into her at a restaurant (ala Shasta Groene) or grocery store.

[emdragon]

Did I hear TES found some items of interest today?

Yes they did

[SavannahStar]

Yes, but here's the thing. Nobody in the family on either side seemed to have a problem with that. The father was quite comfortable leaving his kids with a girl he only recently met and/or moved in with, the bio mom didn't seem to be that concerned nor did the grandmother from Nancy's show last night. None of them raised this as I would be screaming about this if I were in their shoes.

And the feeling around here that some people seem to think this is perfectly fine leaves me a-wondering. What gives! :confused:


My impression was more that people thought it was irrelevant to Haleigh's disappearance, moreso than "it was perfectly fine."

[MidnightBlu]

Well isn't that easier and fast to say than to try and explain the relationship on a 911 call where the dispatcher really doesn't need to know the relationship just what happened.

Saying "my boyfriends daughter" doesn't take that long. MOO

[SavannahStar]

I wash clothes at three a.m. --------when the younger family members are staying overnight and throw up on the sheets, or wet the bed. Otherwise I would have to agree. Odd.

I thought it was determined the washer was NOT on at 3 a.m.?????

[Armchairdet]

Saying "my boyfriends daughter" doesn't take that long. MOO

I agree. It isn't like that is such an out of the ordinary scenerio that it will confuse the operator. Quite common living situation. IMO

[MidnightBlu]

More interesting the father didn't know her birthday either. And when he could not answer the question, he got angry at the 911 dispatcher and started cussing at her that she was playing games with him. hmmmmm.

I have got to hear the full 911 conversation. I had no idea that he was just as clueless as the gf.

[marshmallow]

It's a less than ideal, all American, Leave it to Beaver kind of set up I agree.
It is also very much a reality in many communities.
I'm not saying that it's perfectly fine, just real life for lots of peeps.
It's a hard scrabble life for some.
This little area of Florida is very poor.
Ron is doing well to have a steady job and be able to provide for his family.
It doesn't mean it's a recipe for this kind of disaster.
Jessica Lunsford was abducted from her grandparents' home.
When someone unlawfully enters a home in the middle of the night and abducts a child, the sleeping caregivers are crime victims.
If that's what happened to Haleigh.
AFAIK, it is what happened.

I feel encouraged by LE's statement today that they have good reason to believe that Haleigh is alive.

Please Lord, let this sweet baby come home safe and sound!




well said Blu

[CC I See]

Well isn't that easier and fast to say than to try and explain the relationship on a 911 call where the dispatcher really doesn't need to know the relationship just what happened.

...no it isn't. When talking to 911 or emergency personnel it is imperative to give accurate information. ALWAYS

[Dunlurken]

I thought it was determined the washer was NOT on at 3 a.m.?????

I do not wash sheets at 3:00 am. I have a change of sheets though if my grand daughter gets sick. JMO.

[emdragon]

I agree. It isn't like that is such an out of the ordinary scenerio that it will confuse the operator. Quite common living situation. IMO

At least she didn't call her "the brat"

[SavannahStar]

More interesting the father didn't know her birthday either. And when he could not answer the question, he got angry at the 911 dispatcher and started cussing at her that she was playing games with him. hmmmmm.


What??????? How do you get he didn't know his daughter's birthday??????? He was ------->:cursing: at his daughter being MISSING, January, and his "anger issues" took over. That's plain as day in the 911 call. He never said he didn't know her birthday!!!! Sheesh!

As far as the g/f not knowing Haleigh's birthday, I find nothing odd in that at all.

[SavannahStar]

The police have said nothing either way, it is all just opinions and assumptions in regard to the washing machine being on or not.

Well I've only seen that on HERE....and it is one of my worst pet peeves. Someone says something on the board and then people read it and take it for gospel fact. Then you have to read it over and over, post after post: incorrect information.

To my knowledge, NO ONE in LE or in this case (other than posters) said the washer was running at 3 a.m.!!!!

Someone can correct that if I'm wrong!

:cursing:

[bluwaters]

I have got to hear the full 911 conversation. I had no idea that he was just as clueless as the gf.
DH has a MA degree.
He gets real nervous when someone asks him how old DS1 and 2 are, or has to state their birth dates. :laugh:

[ortiga]

It went something like this. Operator: What's her birthday. Dad: What's her birthday? What the F is the difference what's her birthday. You are playing Fing games with me I want the cops here now and they aren't coming. F her birthday. Operator: Okay sir, I need this information. Dad: F that! I'm gonna kill the guy that took my daughter.

Something to that effect.

Sounds pretty logical to me, about what my ex hubby would have said. The operator should have said how old is your girl. Not ask for the date of her birthday.

[SavannahStar]

It went something like this. Operator: What's her birthday. Dad: What's her birthday? What the F is the difference what's her birthday. You are playing Fing games with me I want the cops here now and they aren't coming. F her birthday. Operator: Okay sir, I need this information. Dad: F that! I'm gonna kill the guy that took my daughter.

Something to that effect.


Exactly. So WHY did you post he didn't know her birthday? :confused:

[Dunlurken]

Exactly! Police need to know if it is possibly a family kidnapping or a stranger. BIG difference in how it is handled. Knowing whether she is the mother and he is the father is imperative.

And "Misty" didn't know if the child hand on PJs or not. Nor did the father. Here we go again. JMO.

I would love to see the polys> JMO.

[ConchGirl]

I wonder why only a few pictures are being shown. Didn't this family have more than 4 or 5 pictures to give out to the public? One of the pictures is from the back and really blurry. You can't even make out her face.

I would think they would release tons of pictures so people can really see her face in case they run into her at a restaurant (ala Shasta Groene) or grocery store.

George may have advised him that you can sell pictures for licensing fees to pay your bills. :shrug: moo

[ortiga]

And an extra 10 seconds to explain dad has custody is going to make a big difference when you have already waited 30 minutes to call the police?


She should have explained the custody arrangements? You don't let up on her, do you.

[omsk99]

Yet she didn't know her birthday...

IIRC, it was the father who was asked about her birthday.

[Dunlurken]

Exactly. So WHY did you post he didn't know her birthday? :confused:

Listen to the 911 call carefully. The father said "what difference does it make what her DOB is"? after Misty asked him. JMO.

[MidnightBlu]

Sounds pretty logical to me, about what my ex hubby would have said. The operator should have said how old is your girl. Not ask for the date of her birthday.

I just found the 911 call link and the dispatcher did ask for Haleigh's age first.
http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin

[omsk99]

More interesting the father didn't know her birthday either. And when he could not answer the question, he got angry at the 911 dispatcher and started cussing at her that she was playing games with him. hmmmmm.

I didn't take his answer as he he didn't know her b-day, but rather that he got angry and irritated that they were wasting (in his mind) their and his time asking questions which seemed unimportant to him at the time, all he wanted at that moment is for someone to come to his house and start looking for Haleigh. JMO

[VC2]

I don't think someone living in a manufactured home would be doing laundry at 3 in the morning unless something happened recently.

JMO

is there a link to that, i havent read anything sasying she was doing laundry at 3 am.

however could be she noticed a wet blankie and threw them in the wash. I know i do stuff like that when worried or panicked just to keep busy

[SavannahStar]

Listen to the 911 call carefully. The father said "what difference does it make what her DOB is"? after Misty asked him. JMO.

I listened VERY carefully. More than once.

That does NOT mean he did not know her birthday!

[SavannahStar]

I didn't take his answer as he he didn't know her b-day, but rather that he got angry and irritated that they were wasting (in his mind) their and his time asking questions which seemed unimportant to him at the time, all he wanted at that moment is for someone to come to his house and start looking for Haleigh. JMO


Exactly. I totally agree.

[bluwaters]

George may have advised him that you can sell pictures for licensing fees to pay your bills. :shrug: moo

Get outta my head!!! :wink:
I thought I was being way too cynical and decided not to post that thought!
Love ya CG! :wub:

ETA: GA - they need support, they need help, they need....ME, they need donations!
Thank goodness for KFN!

[openminded]

a pink shirt and panties can be a little ones pajamas. It doesn't mean they fit the definition word, just that they think of pajamas as what the kids go to sleep in

True. My grandchildren used to wear cute little p.j.'s every night but now they are old enough to determine what they prefer to sleep in and sometimes it's not what fits the typical definition but it's what makes them comfortable.

[omsk99]

Why do you not let up on making excuses for them when police have not ruled them out in this very suspicious circumstance?

IMO, they can't rule anyone out until they find Haleigh, which is not to say they do not have suspects in their mind, they just would not tell us. And I do not believe those would be the parents or the GF.

[Dunlurken]

I didn't take his answer as he he didn't know her b-day, but rather that he got angry and irritated that they were wasting (in his mind) their and his time asking questions which seemed unimportant to him at the time, all he wanted at that moment is for someone to come to his house and start looking for Haleigh. JMO

Thank you. Any news today? :confused:

[Armchairdet]

For what it is worth, I did not know my husbands childrens birthdays when we had only been going out for a few months. But I was not a caregiver to the children, nor did we live together. So a bit different I suppose. But I can see either not knowing, or forgetting.

[101Spots]

Coming in real late on this tragedy, so I have a stoopid question: Why was Dad coming home at 3 something AM?

[boo]

I didn't take his answer as he he didn't know her b-day, but rather that he got angry and irritated that they were wasting (in his mind) their and his time asking questions which seemed unimportant to him at the time, all he wanted at that moment is for someone to come to his house and start looking for Haleigh. JMO

That is exactly how I took it. Not that it's right or it's wrong, but nowhere in there did I think he didn't know her birthday.

[Dunlurken]

Do ya'll remember that it took forever for the media to get a straight story on how old Haleigh is, with CNN even printing there's some discrepancy on her age, with some sources saying 4 1/2 and some sources saying 5?

I don't think he knows off the top of his head what her birthday is, or can't come up with it in duress.

I'm not sure that's relevant here, and my guess is there are a lot of divorced dads who later got custody of their kids who can't rattle off the date like moms who have had to fill out thousands of forms.

Not to mention that they asked "misty" the DOB? And she had to ask the dad what's her DOB. An accident waiting to happen. JMO.

[ortiga]

I just found the 911 call link and the dispatcher did ask for Haleigh's age first.
http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin

I don't see a thing that is weird about that call or the answers.

First stone, glass house and all that.

[MidnightBlu]

IIRC, it was the father who was asked about her birthday.

No the dispatcher asked Misty and she didn't know so she asked Ronald.

http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin (http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin)

[SavannahStar]

You are from Venus and I am from Jupiter, Savannah. If he is asked what her date of birth is and he says "F her date of birth" to me that speaks volumes. He did not know her date of birth. You have children and you don't know what their date of birth is? Come on! I'm out of here for tonight. Too much hostility on this board. It's worse than Caylee. Have fun!


Well January, we disagree. And this is just another instance of someone stating their opinion (he didn't know her birthday) and someone will read it and take it as fact. Next thing you know there will 25 posts throughout the night, "gee what a Dad....didn't even know his daughter's date of birth." In my opinion that is not true. :mad:

[Zeus]

More interesting the father didn't know her birthday either. And when he could not answer the question, he got angry at the 911 dispatcher and started cussing at her that she was playing games with him. hmmmmm.

Really? Did he say "I don't know when her birthday is" or did he say "What difference does it make---Stop asking me stupid questions and get out here."

[emdragon]

Okay, calm down, Savannah, and check the tapes for the 911 calls. I think they may be on the links section. He didn't know what her birthday was either. If I am wrong, I will come back here and admit to it. I remember it being that way. :shrug:

It wasn't that he didn't know when it was he just didn't think it was important he wanted someone out there to find her.

[SavannahStar]

Coming in real late on this tragedy, so I have a stoopid question: Why was Dad coming home at 3 something AM?

His work shift.

[Dunlurken]

Coming in real late on this tragedy, so I have a stoopid question: Why was Dad coming home at 3 something AM?

Worked the late shift to support him, "MISTY" and his two kids. JMO.

[omsk99]

Thank you. Any news today? :confused:

They found "items of interest" in their search for Haleigh, but wouldn't say what they are. That was the biggest news I came across today. :seeya:

[Barbara fl.]

Okay who posted on the other thread asking why the teenage girlfriend waited so long to dial up 911? Good point. Whoever you are. BBL!


I don't think that 27 minutes is too long...I believe they wanted to be sure that she wasn't around or didn't want to waste a minute looking for her....I know I wouldn't want to waste a second making a phone call while someone could have been getting away with my child...I probably would have been running around frantic first.....

But 27 minutes vs 31 days......don't think it was too long.....maybe if I was in a store or mall it would be different but at home, I would first look everywhere....If they called at the same minute the police would have said "how did you know she was missing?" she could have walked outside......so I guess it would be a no win situation for them....JMOO

[boo]

Do ya'll remember that it took forever for the media to get a straight story on how old Haleigh is, with CNN even printing there's some discrepancy on her age, with some sources saying 4 1/2 and some sources saying 5?

I don't think he knows off the top of his head what her birthday is, or can't come up with it in duress.

I'm not sure that's relevant here, and my guess is there are a lot of divorced dads who later got custody of their kids who can't rattle off the date like moms who have had to fill out thousands of forms.

That reminds me of how upset I would get every time they would say, Caylee was 3. That poor baby never even made it to 3, yet everybody on TV, including NG would say 3 year old Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

Whatever, Savannah. I still adore you but God you are hostile tonight. Have a good evening.

You have a good evening too, and I still adore you. I'm NOT hostile, I just don't like stuff put out there that is not factual!

[SavannahStar]

I don't think that 27 minutes is too long...I believe they wanted to be sure that she wasn't around or didn't want to waste a minute looking for her....I know I wouldn't want to waste a second making a phone call while someone could have been getting away with my child...I probably would have been running around frantic first.....

But 27 minutes vs 31 days......don't think it was too long.....maybe if I was in a store or mall it would be different but at home, I would first look everywhere....If they called at the same minute the police would have said "how did you know she was missing?" she could have walked outside......so I guess it would be a no win situation for them....JMOO


I agree, Barbara. And thanks for the info that it was 27 minutes, I didn't know the exact timeframe, I think I asked earlier but didn't see an answer. No, I don't think that's too long at all.....and yes I'm sure she was frantic.

[march27]

It went something like this. Operator: What's her birthday. Dad: What's her birthday? What the F is the difference what's her birthday. You are playing Fing games with me I want the cops here now and they aren't coming. F her birthday. Operator: Okay sir, I need this information. Dad: F that! I'm gonna kill the guy that took my daughter.

Something to that effect.


I havent listened to the tapes but if thats what he said I would have said the same thing. Kinda like who cares what her birthday is my daughter is missing get someone here now.

[ortiga]

For what it is worth, I did not know my husbands childrens birthdays when we had only been going out for a few months. But I was not a caregiver to the children, nor did we live together. So a bit different I suppose. But I can see either not knowing, or forgetting.


I can see not remembering the date right off the bat, under stress. People don't go around saying, my little girl is 7, she was born Jan 20 2002. Fathers don't think like that. His was a normal reaction for someone whose heart was being torn out. And there is no reason that Misti would have had that on the tip of her tongue.

[Unperson1984]

And "Misty" didn't know if the child hand on PJs or not. Nor did the father. Here we go again. JMO.

I would love to see the polys> JMO.

If LE suspected either the GF or the father I seriously doubt they would leave the little boy in their custody. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

Really? Did he say "I don't know when her birthday is" or did he say "What difference does it make---Stop asking me stupid questions and get out here."


Men usually aren't up to birthdays....I was shocked the other day when my son was asked what was his youngest sons birthday and he rattled it off...he usually has to be reminded of things like that...I didn't find that odd at all, and at a time like that, I wouldn't expect him to know his own birthdate.....I too would have told the operator the same that he did..."just get someone out here" JMOO

[Armchairdet]

I havent listened to the tapes but if thats what he said I would have said the same thing. Kinda like who cares what her birthday is my daughter is missing get someone here now.

I could see that too, because you start thinking there are too many questions that you can tell a cop when he/she gets there. Just get someone there.

[101Spots]

Worked the late shift to support him, "MISTY" and his two kids. JMO.

Thank you.

Odd "shift" hours. MOO.

[playnice]

Really FWIW, I've been a Mom for 30 years and if you ask me how old one of my kids is, I would have to pause about 5 seconds and think. Part of that may be due to a disorder I have, but I have to figure out their year of birth sometimes, like which kid is which year. (I DO always know the month/day.)

I do the same thing. I sometimes have to count from the year I was born to remember how old I am. :w00t:

[ConchGirl]

Does anyone know if the Father and GF are still in a tent? If so, why?

[SavannahStar]

If LE suspected either the GF or the father I seriously doubt they would leave the little boy in their custody. IMO

That's a good point. However, where is he for sure? Because it's reported that the father and the g/f are living in a tent. Is the boy with them, I wonder?

[VC2]

I didn't take his answer as he he didn't know her b-day, but rather that he got angry and irritated that they were wasting (in his mind) their and his time asking questions which seemed unimportant to him at the time, all he wanted at that moment is for someone to come to his house and start looking for Haleigh. JMO

umm he knew her dob he was just furious that the dispatcher was wasting time (in his mind) with dumb questions rather than having the cops at the door.

He was in a panic and i dont blame him

IMO

[omsk99]

They ruled out a repairman apparently and if these two passed a LDT they should be able to rule them out but they have not... I wonder why?

Maybe the repairman has a very sold alibi, and I thought they were able to confirm that Ronald was indeed at work when all this happened. Maybe that was misreported? I think they need more than just passing a LDT to rule someone out, and it would be hard to do in the GF's case especially because there is no one to confirm her story/alibi, but a 2-year old boy who was sleeping at the time... I'd love to know what they know!! :wink:

[SavannahStar]

This is semantics! You don't have proof that he did know, and she doesn't have proof that he did not. But he did NOT answer the question which implies they didn't know!

I disagree, Brat. The fact that he did not answer the question does NOT imply he doesn't know. Others on here have agreed with me on that.