Friday, Feb. 13, # 1

[desmom]

:rose: Prayers for Haleigh's safe return.

[desmom]

Amber Alert -- Search For Haleigh Enters Day 4
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/13/amber_alert__day_4_in_search_for_haleigh.html

Equusearch teams will begin search
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021309Equusearch_teams_will_begin_search_for_Halei gh

Search expands for missing Florida 5-year-old George Anthony joins search for missing girl, 5
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-missing1309feb13,0,2596352.story

[PuffDragon]

Amber Alert -- Search For Haleigh Enters Day 4
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/13/amber_alert__day_4_in_search_for_haleigh.html

Equusearch teams will begin search
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021309Equusearch_teams_will_begin_search_for_Halei gh

Search expands for missing Florida 5-year-old George Anthony joins search for missing girl, 5
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-missing1309feb13,0,2596352.story

Mornin' desmom. I hope today's information starts setting things straight. I don't like it when nobody seems to have a handle on what's going on. It has only been a couple of days and already the conjecture on this board has gone over the top. Usually it takes a little longer. Or maybe we all are still hung over from the other case and transferring the mental processes.

[desmom]

Mornin' desmom. I hope today's information starts setting things straight. I don't like it when nobody seems to have a handle on what's going on. It has only been a couple of days and already the conjecture on this board has gone over the top. Usually it takes a little longer. Or maybe we all are still hung over from the other case and transferring the mental processes.

Morning PuffDragon.

I hope we do have a presser to stop some of the speculation. The slight differences in the stories makes me believe they are telling the truth. If the stories were to cover up or protect someone, I would think everyone's stories would be exact. jmo

[PuffDragon]

Morning PuffDragon.

I hope we do have a presser to stop some of the speculation. The slight differences in the stories makes me believe they are telling the truth. If the stories were to cover up or protect someone, I would think everyone's stories would be exact. jmo

Yeh, I feel the same way about the stories but I want LE to at least give us some idea of what they actually do have. Like, was there evidence of a break-in or wasn't there, and did or didn't they find strange fingerprints? That would go a long way toward stifling some of the conjecture. Right now we really do need a PC badly or we're going to spend the day yelling at each other out of frustration.

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Des, I usually agree with you but not in the inconsistencies. I believe inconsistent statements made by the GF are very troubling. Maybe the media got it wrong,,,,I don't know but there are a couple of changes to her story.

I'm still unsure of the 17 year old's version of what happened that night. I hope they can rule out all family members including the 17 year old so they can go after the real perp! She needs to start telling the truth even if she's afraid the truth might end their relationship or make the BF angry. If she went out that night or forgot to lock the door or whatever...she needs to speak up for Haleigh's sake.

Prayers going out to Haleigh wherever she may be.

Does anyone remember how long before they found Jessica Lunsford?

:rose:

[desmom]

Morning n/t.

Maybe. I am just not sure. We are all thinking clearly because we are not in the middle of it or emotionally attached.

I think about witness statements taken at the scene of a crime. Even though all the witnesses are seeing the same thing, their statements do not always agree on the perp's physical description and/or what happened.

At this point, I am giving all of them the benefit of the doubt.

I do wish these families would use a spokesperson.

jmo

[desmom]

Massive Search For Missing Girl Continues
http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html#-

No New Clues Found In Missing Girl Search
http://www.wesh.com/news/18706529/detail.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

Morning n/t.

Maybe. I am just not sure. We are all thinking clearly because we are not in the middle of it or emotionally attached.

I think about witness statements taken at the scene of a crime. Even though all the witnesses are seeing the same thing, their statements do not always agree on the perp's physical description and/or what happened.

At this point, I am giving all of them the benefit of the doubt.

I do wish these families would use a spokesperson.

jmo

Morning Desmom - I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt also. We all know that children are abducted in the middle of the night. On paper it seems impossible, but it does happen.

Teenagers don't make sense most of the time anyway and put under the media spotlight in harrowing circumstances could be part of the problem.

[kayemm]

Oh, we have all moved, my last post from old thread.

I would probably describe her hair as brown in that picture, maybe it is blonder in the summer or different light, some people only see very pale hair as blonde.

I am getting an honest vibe from the father, if he was faking it, I doubt he would be able to act that level of fear and anger that was picked up on the 911 call.

The g/f, again I genuinely don't know, tears/no tears don't affect me much we have all seen the worst most cruel people sob like they were babies and we have seen innocent people retain composure, it means nothing. I think actions like the father standing by the g/f suggests to me that he trusts her completely and he will have seen much more of her than we will have, in unguarded times away from the cameras, I think if he had even a tiniest doubt he wouldn't be standing with her.

Adults who have a child abducted will feel horrendous guilt even if they have nothing to logically feel guilty about, our job is to protect innocent needy children and when we fail we blame ourselves, I have no doubt that, if innocent, she feels responsible even if she is not.


I don't know if she left the home and came back to find the child gone, there is no evidence of that yet, this is just our theory based on our reasoning that she is young, she might not be thrilled to stay in the home babysitting someone elses's kids and that we feel she would have woken up were someone to enter the house but none of these things are necessarily true, in fact there are loads of examples of completely honest teenagers, also teenagers who are happy to look after other people's children or who adopt a family lifestyle (we have posters on these threads who became very young parents and thrived on it) and abductions that take place under the noses of responsible adults.

[PuffDragon]

Morning n/t.

Maybe. I am just not sure. We are all thinking clearly because we are not in the middle of it or emotionally attached.

I think about witness statements taken at the scene of a crime. Even though all the witnesses are seeing the same thing, their statements do not always agree on the perp's physical description and/or what happened.

At this point, I am giving all of them the benefit of the doubt.

I do wish these families would use a spokesperson.

jmo

*Bolding mine

Just as long as it isn't George.

I still have a sense that there's something not quite right. I am okay with some of the inconsistencies and not okay with others. I think the story as we are trying to understand it doesn't fit together the way it is now. There are some holes that can't be explained away by the initial confusion. MO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning,

Des, I usually agree with you but not in the inconsistencies. I believe inconsistent statements made by the GF are very troubling. Maybe the media got it wrong,,,,I don't know but there are a couple of changes to her story.

I'm still unsure of the 17 year old's version of what happened that night. I hope they can rule out all family members including the 17 year old so they can go after the real perp! She needs to start telling the truth even if she's afraid the truth might end their relationship or make the BF angry. If she went out that night or forgot to lock the door or whatever...she needs to speak up for Haleigh's sake.

Prayers going out to Haleigh wherever she may be.

Does anyone remember how long before they found Jessica Lunsford?

:rose:

Morning n/t. Nancy tried her best last night to highlight those changing stories. I wonder if Misty changed the story from little Haleigh sleeping in another room to sleeping in her room, simply because it "sounded" better to LE. Then, when she had to take the polygraph told the truth. Told the first story out of guilt maybe?

I heard they are bringing in numerous cadaver dogs today...... :sad:

[PuffDragon]

From your second link Desmom:

"Her grandfather said he has no doubt he'll hold her in his arms again."That pastor over there, that man of God, he said God told him she was alive, nearby and safe, and he's never been wrong, and if he tells you something, you can take it to the bank," grandfather Johnny Sheffield said."

Oh man. :sad:

But you know, even though it sounds like deja vu to us, if this were not being covered by the media that man would probably be home in the bosom of his family saying the same thing. Some of the relatives would be trying to warn him and some would be saying the same thing. I think that's normal, it has only been a few days. Nobody knows anything for sure yet, there's nothing that points to anything, it's too soon for the denial phase to be gotten through. Hope is still alive and I think that's good. For now.

[Susie419]

When NG interviewed the birth mom last night, she appeared to not be very upset that her daughter is missing. When NG asked her about why
she did not have custody, she was not too forthcoming about the circumstances, and appears "under influence of something" ; she could not give straight answers, but from what I gleaned from the interview, she lost custody of her daughter to the father b/c she failed to appear in court for custody hearing and theygave the dad custody.
Just speculation here, has anyone thought possible that the bio-mom and grandmother may have taken and hidden the child to get her back?
I think this is something that needs looking into. JMO

[grammie/va]

From your second link Desmom:

"Her grandfather said he has no doubt he'll hold her in his arms again."That pastor over there, that man of God, he said God told him she was alive, nearby and safe, and he's never been wrong, and if he tells you something, you can take it to the bank," grandfather Johnny Sheffield said."

Oh man. :sad:

Oh my! This family has to be scared and just latching on to any hope. I hope today is the day. So much heartache for kids and the families.

[Susie419]

Bio mom claims it's been "two weeks"::confused:since she's seen her daughter. WHY? That boggles my mind.

[PBJMOM4]

Live webcam of the Cummings home

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1

TY for the link.
I thought during the 911 call Misty said the house was blue? Then again, I can only see half of the house with the camera.

[Barbara fl.]

Bio mom claims it's been "two weeks"::confused:since she's seen her daughter. WHY? That boggles my mind.




Good morning...

That was her visitation agreement...she saw her children every second weekend...

[MiamiNice1]

Bio mom claims it's been "two weeks"::confused:since she's seen her daughter. WHY? That boggles my mind.
Sorry, don't have the link, but two nights ago, (I believe on Greta), the bio mom and grandma had explained that they had just seen Haleigh and her brother this past weekend. Dropped them off on Sunday.

imo

[Susie419]

Good morning...

That was her visitation agreement...she saw her children every second weekend...

************************************************** ****I know that...but I guess I'm looking at it from my own perspective...I'm a mother of two daughters, I cannot fathom fiving control of my girls to their dad, even for ONE week, and then , I'd be seeing them every moment I could, and definitely not wait 2 weeks to see them. I know everyone had different feelings on this, I just can't imagine going for 2 weeks b/4 seein my darlin daughters..maybe 2 days!:sad:

[bluwaters]

Girlfriend explains more about missing Haleigh
"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-12/story/girlfriend_explains_more_of_what_she_knows_about_m issing_haleigh

[PuffDragon]

You're right, I was just showing how profoundly this will cost that man if the worst happens. It will shake his very core. :sad:

Yes, of course that's true. But look, the family is rallied around. He and the others will have each other to grieve or celebrate together.

[MiamiNice1]

************************************************** ****I know that...but I guess I'm looking at it from my own perspective...I'm a mother of two daughters, I cannot fathom fiving control of my girls to their dad, even for ONE week, and then , I'd be seeing them every moment I could, and definitely not wait 2 weeks to see them. I know everyone had different feelings on this, I just can't imagine going for 2 weeks b/4 seein my darlin daughters..maybe 2 days!:sad:
It is unimaginable to me, too. Sad.

The bio mom lives 1 hour and 45 minutes away and did I read correctly last night on the board that according to her MySpace, she also has a baby?

imo

[Barbara fl.]

Yeh, I feel the same way about the stories but I want LE to at least give us some idea of what they actually do have. Like, was there evidence of a break-in or wasn't there, and did or didn't they find strange fingerprints? That would go a long way toward stifling some of the conjecture. Right now we really do need a PC badly or we're going to spend the day yelling at each other out of frustration.



Good morning all...

I think that LE is holding out for a reason....like they did in the Susan Smith case...they knew all along that SS was guilty but played along to trap her.....I also believe that they have been watching how the Caylee Anthony case went down and are trying to use other tactics....

Just my honest opinion, and I could be so wrong, but I believe that the gf is not being totally truthful...I also do not believe her tears....I am so prone to believe that this young lady put the children to bed and went out (while bf was at work) and when she returned she found the child missing....

I can not believe that a kidnapper would put a light on in the kitchen, there was no forced entry, which leads me to believe that she left the back door open to return thru...someone could have watched her or knew of her habits and knew that the children were left alone....

Although I do not believe that Misty was responsible for hurting Haleigh, I believe that she might be indirectly responsible....

No one could have been so sure that Misty would sleep thru them coming in thru the back door, propping it open with a cinder block, going in and putting the kitchen light on, taking the child and leaving....it just doesn't make any sense....

I have never heard of any prowler or kidnapper or anyone for that fact, putting on a light in the home where they want to sneak in and out....and how come the back door wasn't broken into when the father said that he checked that door all the time and rarely opened it....

Misty need to be more forthcoming and not worry about the repercussion from her boyfriend....I'm sure that relationship will end eventually over this in anycase....he only knew her for a few months....JMOO

[jewel6]

I did not get good vibes about bio mother. she was hiding something about custody. JMO

[desmom]

TY for the link.
I thought during the 911 call Misty said the house was blue? Then again, I can only see half of the house with the camera.

Picture of the house: http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088

[JD1974]

Morning n/t.

Maybe. I am just not sure. We are all thinking clearly because we are not in the middle of it or emotionally attached.

I think about witness statements taken at the scene of a crime. Even though all the witnesses are seeing the same thing, their statements do not always agree on the perp's physical description and/or what happened.

At this point, I am giving all of them the benefit of the doubt.

I do wish these families would use a spokesperson.

jmo


I agree that sometimes a spokesperson is right but you know some people will think they are out for fame if they get one...sad. Anyway what is this I am reading about fingerprints? Is that true or rumor, I missed posting last night because I fell asleep early...

[Barbara fl.]

************************************************** ****I know that...but I guess I'm looking at it from my own perspective...I'm a mother of two daughters, I cannot fathom fiving control of my girls to their dad, even for ONE week, and then , I'd be seeing them every moment I could, and definitely not wait 2 weeks to see them. I know everyone had different feelings on this, I just can't imagine going for 2 weeks b/4 seein my darlin daughters..maybe 2 days!:sad:


That's because you are a mother....and a loving mother at that...however not all mothers are like that....Nowadays especially, I see more and more mothers shifting their responsibilities or excepting any alternative to raising their own children....As for men raising children...some men make better parents then mothers...My son is a perfect example...he has sole custody of his 2 children and it wasn't because he fought the mother for it...she walked away and never looked back.....she might call once every year...My son owns his own home and business...and never misses any school activity or practice for his kids.....and he was the problem child when younger....

I believe this man was trying his hardest to take care of his kids but used poor judgement when leaving them with a 17 year old who wasn't their bio mom.....JMO...I could be so wrong...


I just hope and pray they find Haleigh safe....

[JD1974]

From your second link Desmom:

"Her grandfather said he has no doubt he'll hold her in his arms again."That pastor over there, that man of God, he said God told him she was alive, nearby and safe, and he's never been wrong, and if he tells you something, you can take it to the bank," grandfather Johnny Sheffield said."

Oh man. :sad:


How heartbreaking! I feel absolute terror for this family and what they are going through. They would probably believe someone who told them a cow had reported seeing this little girl, anything to hold onto hope. Devastating.

[PBJMOM4]

Picture of the house: http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088


TY for the link. The camera shot and position of the sun maybe are making the house look tan/brownish. Thanks!

[msgatorslayer]

Girlfriend explains more about missing Haleigh
"I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-12/story/girlfriend_explains_more_of_what_she_knows_about_m issing_haleigh

Morning, Blu.

She's young and not very articulate. I was just watching the video linked up thread and when asked for distance between she and Haleigh in their beds that night, she answers in inches. She then looks very confused as Greta is trying to get a more accurate answer. Finally, saying she didn't measure so she doesn't know. BF answers the question, finally.

There was another part, earlier in the video, where I think he asked her to look in the camera. She replied that she was.

From what I see, she is not able to explain things very well. This could explain why her stories have been conflicting.

IMO

[crymeariver2006]

*Bolding mine

Just as long as it isn't George.

I still have a sense that there's something not quite right. I am okay with some of the inconsistencies and not okay with others. I think the story as we are trying to understand it doesn't fit together the way it is now. There are some holes that can't be explained away by the initial confusion. MO.


ITA. Nobody needs a spokesperson (be it George Anthony or anyone) who is currently asking for immunity from prosecution in his own granddaughter's case.

IMO only.

[JD1974]

When NG interviewed the birth mom last night, she appeared to not be very upset that her daughter is missing. When NG asked her about why
she did not have custody, she was not too forthcoming about the circumstances, and appears "under influence of something" ; she could not give straight answers, but from what I gleaned from the interview, she lost custody of her daughter to the father b/c she failed to appear in court for custody hearing and theygave the dad custody.
Just speculation here, has anyone thought possible that the bio-mom and grandmother may have taken and hidden the child to get her back?
I think this is something that needs looking into. JMO


Right after the ambert alert came out I wondered the same thing. I wondered if someone grabbed her for the mom and the grandma was already setting the scene up by talking about the little girl having bruises and smelling like pot as reasoning.

[PBJMOM4]

Morning, Blu.

She's young and not very articulate. I was just watching the video linked up thread and when asked for distance between she and Haleigh in their beds that night, she answers in inches. She then looks very confused as Greta is trying to get a more accurate answer. Finally, saying she didn't measure so she doesn't know. BF answers the question, finally.

There was another part, earlier in the video, where I think he asked her to look in the camera. She replied that she was.

From what I see, she is not able to explain things very well. This could explain why her stories have been conflicting.

IMO

I agree with you. I'm not sure it's the circumstance she is in or her age, but how far apart they were sleeping was not such a difficult question. Then, she threw in something like, "It's not like I measured."
Maybe just showing her age with that comment.

[crymeariver2006]

Right after the ambert alert came out I wondered the same thing. I wondered if someone grabbed her for the mom and the grandma was already setting the scene up by talking about the little girl having bruises and smelling like pot as reasoning.

But why wouldn't she take both children?

Of course, that might have been a little too obvious and link straight to her?

[JD1974]

But why wouldn't she take both children?

Of course, that might have been a little too obvious and link straight to her?


Or maybe she could only get to one, the little boy was in the room with Misty? Also it may be possible she only had fears about Haleigh.

[desmom]

But why wouldn't she take both children?

Of course, that might have been a little too obvious and link straight to her?

I agree.

Why take one and not both?

I just don't see bio-mom taking the daughter. She would have to know there would be an Amber Alert and she would be questioned. If she wanted to take Haleigh, I think she would have not returned her from a visitation.

jmo

[PinkyPoo]

ITA. Nobody needs a spokesperson (be it George Anthony or anyone) who is currently asking for immunity from prosecution in his own granddaughter's case.

IMO only.

Why would she leave the boy there? Don't you think she would take both her children if she had a plan?

[linspar]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

[JD1974]

I do not want to jump to any conclusions because this girl is 17 years old ,but the thing that strikes me about her is the WAY SHE TALKS . Now people who know her may know this is her normal way of talking ,but to me its so WEIRD ....Its like she is forcing every word ( maybe upset) but really does not seem like ,it seems so forced .....17 year olds ARE MATURE , she seems not to be and maybe that accounts for the way she talks , but her mother does not seem slow ....the girl almost seems like she is either slow ( not being mean ) or something else ,like others have said went out with younger friends when the kids were sleeping and stuff.........

The father does seem genuinely concerned ,maybe I haven't seen the right interview yet ,but how do people hold it together like this ?

I lost my 8 year old son in Walmart one time for 5 minutes , it seemed like a lifetime and I was hysterical! Medics would have sedated me for sure ....this is just me I guess ....anyone know how old the father is , he has a 5 year old and a 3 year old and a girlfriend thats 17 , he does seem young himself ,but a 17 year old Girlfriend is against the law , isn't it?

Father is 24 as far as I know. I lost my son for a few minutes and I was the same way, that's why I cannot judge the dad on the 91 call because I would have lost my mind. I think controlling what I said would be the last thing I would be thinking about.

[desmom]

Volunteers Join Search for Haleigh
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17

For the first time residents will be able to join in the ground search....

Tim Miller, Founder/Director of the search group, told reporters Friday he has 30 - 40 people from his group in Satsuma. He is expecting a lot of Putnam County residents to show up.

Volunteers have already massed with ATVs. One person brought a mule to ride through the thick brush.......

Miller told First Coast News volunteers will have their eyes on a specific area. He wouldn't say where that is because he doesn't want to jeopardize the investigation, but investigators have been very busy in the woods within yards of Haleigh's home.

[jewel6]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

I thought she looked like a deer in headlights. A shocked look. JMO

[JD1974]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

You are pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don't when you have the scrutiny of so many people on you. I didn't see Susan Smith at all and I hate even referencing that monster, I remember studying vehicles that resembled hers and I lived in Indiana at the time! Everyone will see something different, a lot of people said the dad did it because of the 911 call and anger issues, I thought the exact opposite. I thought that he didn't care what he was saying at the time.

I guess it all comes down to perspective and how you view the case when it comes down to interviews. A lot are just coming from the Anthony case so they really don't have much faith right now.

[JD1974]

Mind you, I'm just talking IF's here, but IF she did something, I could see it being out of anger more than anything. Immature and dealing alone with 2 small children she might not *really* know well...


I can't use the age excuse when someone is 17 and agrees to watch someone else's child they take on that responsibility. When I had 2 small kids at 18, I was probably immature also but my kids are alive and well.

[kayemm]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

I don't think there is a normal reaction, she is young, she might feel responsible, she certainly feels as though she is being blamed, yes she might be lying but there is no other evidence to support it, if she hurt Haleigh there doesn't appear to have been any evidence of a struggle, or fight or blood stains, where would she hide her body? Wouldn't she make up a better story than it happening while she was asleep in the same room?

[msgatorslayer]

I agree Ms.Gator! I try really hard to discern whether what I see in them is a lack of "sophistication", or suspicious behavior. Too early and not enough info for me to get a good bead on it yet.

When I was a teen, a friend of mine had a Brother who lived in Paladka with his Dad. He came to stay for the summer. Boy, he was so different from her and everyone that I knew. He was a year or two older. But definately a good ole country boy meets the city.

I'm not saying this as fact, but there are areas up there that sell feed corn by the gas pumps and shotgun shells at the registers. It is so different.

[jewel6]

Have they mentioned footprints or tire tracks. The yard looks like its all dirt.

[JD1974]

I was just thinking about Haleigh as my 2 little girls went off to school today, they are having their Valentine parties and met up with their friends to exchange valentines on the way to the bus stop. Breaks my heart that so many little kids out there will miss that this year. I am really hoping for a good outcome with Haleigh, so many others lately haven't had them.

Haleigh should of been with her classmates today, making valentine holders and passing her valentines out, it is little stuff like this that just slams me in the gut.

[sachae]

When NG interviewed the birth mom last night, she appeared to not be very upset that her daughter is missing. When NG asked her about why
she did not have custody, she was not too forthcoming about the circumstances, and appears "under influence of something" ; she could not give straight answers, but from what I gleaned from the interview, she lost custody of her daughter to the father b/c she failed to appear in court for custody hearing and theygave the dad custody.
Just speculation here, has anyone thought possible that the bio-mom and grandmother may have taken and hidden the child to get her back?
I think this is something that needs looking into. JMO


No, I really do not think that the Mother took her, but I do agree that Nancy tried to tread very carefully with her questions as to why she does not have the (2) children, and I believe there is more to it than what she said about not having the children, but that is not the point right now, the thing that I oicked up on was the door, the Father locked it and it is a dead bolt, the children could not reach it, and yet the door was open with a block or something holding it, to me that is a red flag, I do not think the GF harmed the child, but I do wonder if she went out with someone, and left the door open not locked, and when she came home the child was gone, and she openned the door with the block, I am just not sure yet, she is only 17 and taking care of 2 children, she is a child herself, and she just might be afraid.:scared:

[jewel6]

No, I really do not think that the Mother took her, but I do agree that Nancy tried to tread very carefully with her questions as to why she does not have the (2) children, and I believe there is more to it than what she said about not having the children, but that is not the point right now, the thing that I oicked up on was the door, the Father locked it and it is a dead bolt, the children could not reach it, and yet the door was open with a block or something holding it, to me that is a red flag, I do not think the GF harmed the child, but I do wonder if she went out with someone, and left the door open not locked, and when she came home the child was gone, and she openned the door with the block, I am just not sure yet, she is only 17 and taking care of 2 children, she is a child herself, and she just might be afraid.:scared:

I can agree with this scenario. This is a good one. jmo

[Casecase]

You are pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don't when you have the scrutiny of so many people on you. I didn't see Susan Smith at all and I hate even referencing that monster, I remember studying vehicles that resembled hers and I lived in Indiana at the time! Everyone will see something different, a lot of people said the dad did it because of the 911 call and anger issues, I thought the exact opposite. I thought that he didn't care what he was saying at the time.

I guess it all comes down to perspective and how you view the case when it comes down to interviews. A lot are just coming from the Anthony case so they really don't have much faith right now.


My husband is one of the most gentle people in the world, but I can promise you, if someone took our daughter, his 911 call would be filled with expletives and a lot of yelling and if he found the perp before LE . . . well, let's just say, jail would have been safer for the perp and my husband would have an inmate number.


IMO

[kayemm]

No, I really do not think that the Mother took her, but I do agree that Nancy tried to tread very carefully with her questions as to why she does not have the (2) children, and I believe there is more to it than what she said about not having the children, but that is not the point right now, the thing that I oicked up on was the door, the Father locked it and it is a dead bolt, the children could not reach it, and yet the door was open with a block or something holding it, to me that is a red flag, I do not think the GF harmed the child, but I do wonder if she went out with someone, and left the door open not locked, and when she came home the child was gone, and she openned the door with the block, I am just not sure yet, she is only 17 and taking care of 2 children, she is a child herself, and she just might be afraid.:scared:

This would suggest that the person/ or people she met with are also keeping quiet, if this is the case then I'm, sure evidence will show up in call records etc An agreement to keep quiet about something like this would need to be discussed after the fact imo.

[happy2bme]

I certainly am not condoning "excusing" anyone hurting a child! I'm simply trying to understand. There are 17 year olds and there are 17 year olds. I was a VERY different 17 year old than my daughter is now (She's 17 now.). You can't say that because you did it no one else would...SOME 17 year old in the world has hurt a baby IIRC.


Good Morning. Anything new? I got to leave shortly but will be back this afternoon. I thought I would check in while I had a few minutes.:smile:

[JD1974]

I certainly am not condoning "excusing" anyone hurting a child! I'm simply trying to understand. There are 17 year olds and there are 17 year olds. I was a VERY different 17 year old than my daughter is now (She's 17 now.). You can't say that because you did it no one else would...SOME 17 year old in the world has hurt a baby IIRC.


Yes. just as there are people over 30 who hurt children. I really don't think we can understand why someone decides to hurt a child. I didn't mean it to sound like you are excusing it, but just labeling someone immature because they are 17 and maybe that would explain it just doesn't explain it. If you understood that, I am not quite sure I even worded that correctly...

[jewel6]

I can definitely relate! It's very much like that around here. Ya' got your kuntry mice and ya' got your city mice. :biggrin:

Yep i can agree. i was born in palatka. my parents had a house where this is happening. I used to visit with my hubby and kids. We lived near seattle. It was definatley a culture shock when we returned. jmo

[JD1974]

My husband is one of the most gentle people in the world, but I can promise you, if someone took our daughter, his 911 call would be filled with expletives and a lot of yelling and if he found the perp before LE . . . well, let's just say, jail would have been safer for the perp and my husband would have an inmate number.


IMO



Exactly! I think the person would hope the police found him before we did, just like Ronald said. Of that I have no doubt actually.

[JD1974]

I didn't hear the dad on the 911 call , only the girlfriend ...so you say he was seemingly careful as to what he said? I'd have to agree if thats true .......no way would a thought of what I said be in play ...it would be GET HERE NOW , send out the troops immediately , i'd be a crazy person for sure .......

There was a teenager party once and some boys started fighting ,I called 911 and I was so frantic ,I was like " GET HERE NOW " I did not care if I was nice ,the fact is all the delay someone could get killed in a fight ...Maybe I'm not too good under pressure ,but time to me is of essence and to me all they need is an address in an emergency ,other details can be filled in later .


Anyway I am going to see if I can hear the dad talking on 911 ......

thanks for the input.



No no, he was the exact opposite. The dad was yelling that they better hope they find the guy before he does because he will kill him, asked the g/f why she (f)ing let someone take his kid (b) ****. It was hard to listen to for me because it sounded like raw emotion.

[Rick777]

I can't get past the door being opened and propped. Everyone inside that house says it's "Always locked" and Ron said he personally locks/locked it himself. Last night on Greta they both said they think maybe someone "picked the lock.". Can you pick a deadbolt?????

We know the AC man was supposedly there earlier in the day, and MAYBE he had propped the door open? Misty may feel bad for what has happened, and lied about knowing that door was never re-locked and is trying to stay with her lie to look and feel less guilty.

[Erin26GA]

No, I really do not think that the Mother took her, but I do agree that Nancy tried to tread very carefully with her questions as to why she does not have the (2) children, and I believe there is more to it than what she said about not having the children, but that is not the point right now, the thing that I oicked up on was the door, the Father locked it and it is a dead bolt, the children could not reach it, and yet the door was open with a block or something holding it, to me that is a red flag, I do not think the GF harmed the child, but I do wonder if she went out with someone, and left the door open not locked, and when she came home the child was gone, and she openned the door with the block, I am just not sure yet, she is only 17 and taking care of 2 children, she is a child herself, and she just might be afraid.:scared:


I'm not real sure what to think about this case. But, one thing that clicks in my mind every time I hear it is about the dead bolt. Why can't the little girl reach it? She's 5 yrs old...2 of my doors have dead bolts and my 6 year old has been able to reach it for years. I don't understand why a 5 yr old couldn't. I pray this little girl is found alive and well.

[RainyNiteNTx]

My husband is one of the most gentle people in the world, but I can promise you, if someone took our daughter, his 911 call would be filled with expletives and a lot of yelling and if he found the perp before LE . . . well, let's just say, jail would have been safer for the perp and my husband would have an inmate number.


IMO


My sister and I were just talking about this. God forbid my son had gone missing when he was young. I would have probably had to knock my husband in the head to shut him up so I could talk to 911. Then if that call had been played we would have sounded like a bunch of nuts. But for the grace of G*o*d go I.

[blehchaos]

I'm not real sure what to think about this case. But, one thing that clicks in my mind every time I hear it is about the dead bolt. Why can't the little girl reach it? She's 5 yrs old...2 of my doors have dead bolts and my 6 year old has been able to reach it for years. I don't understand why a 5 yr old couldn't. I pray this little girl is found alive and well.

Doesn't Turner's Syndrome effect growth?

[JD1974]

I gotcha! I'm just saying she might not BE one of those mature ones, I'm not saying she definitely isn't. She's surely at an age where it could be iffy. (I've been up all night with a sick child and the plane crash so I'm not working on all cylinders myself.:mellow:)



Oh no! Sorry to hear that, we went through that last week...

I am not sure how mature this girl is, sometimes when I see her I think wow how old is she..then other times she just looks so shocked that I chalk all of the weird stuff up to just being in total and complete shock.

[Barbara fl.]

No, I really do not think that the Mother took her, but I do agree that Nancy tried to tread very carefully with her questions as to why she does not have the (2) children, and I believe there is more to it than what she said about not having the children, but that is not the point right now, the thing that I oicked up on was the door, the Father locked it and it is a dead bolt, the children could not reach it, and yet the door was open with a block or something holding it, to me that is a red flag, I do not think the GF harmed the child, but I do wonder if she went out with someone, and left the door open not locked, and when she came home the child was gone, and she openned the door with the block, I am just not sure yet, she is only 17 and taking care of 2 children, she is a child herself, and she just might be afraid.:scared:


Yes, I believe that also...17 year olds usually want to hang out with friends and not stay at home with 2 children that are not even hers...it's alot to ask of a 17 year old....I understand that Ron and her are only together for a couple of months....so they can not know each other very well....she might have been willing to do this at the beginning (for a couple of weeks or so) but then became a problem for her....

But if she did go out, something should show on the cell phone records if she called someone, those records will tell alot....and if she did go out, the people she was with will eventually speak out...unless she met another guy who possibly could have told her what to say....

I don't want to pass judgement, that really is not me....so i'm going to wait for the cell records to come back, that is if they tell the public....I believe that this case will be handled alot different then the Anthony case....The police know that if they should take someone in for questioning and a lawyer gets involved they will never get the answers they are looking for....so it might be wise for them to wait and observe and check out before anything is said publicly....JMOO

[JD1974]

I'm not real sure what to think about this case. But, one thing that clicks in my mind every time I hear it is about the dead bolt. Why can't the little girl reach it? She's 5 yrs old...2 of my doors have dead bolts and my 6 year old has been able to reach it for years. I don't understand why a 5 yr old couldn't. I pray this little girl is found alive and well.


Depends on where the deadbolt is, most are by the door handle. Only once in my life did I live in a house where the deadbolt was at the TOP of the door, was really weird and it was one of those where you had to have a key to open it even from the inside.

[tomsgirl]

Picture of the house: http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088

Is that a picture of the front of the house or the back? Someone know? Thanks.

[Casecase]

I can't get past the door being opened and propped. Everyone inside that house says it's "Always locked" and Ron said he personally locks/locked it himself. Last night on Greta they both said they think maybe someone "picked the lock.". Can you pick a deadbolt?????

We know the AC man was supposedly there earlier in the day, and MAYBE he had propped the door open? Misty may feel bad for what has happened, and lied about knowing that door was never re-locked and is trying to stay with her lie to look and feel less guilty.


A deadbolt can be picked. Someone could have a "bump key" which would bypass the deadbolt.

I'd really like to know if the locks were changed between tenants, or if a key had been lost or was missing recently.

IMO

[sachae]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3567692&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/


Now after listening and watching them on Greta with this link, I now really think somehow, the GF is involved, and I never did really undersatnd if she pasted the test, I was really not able to understand her answer, and she just reminds me of such a young child herself, I do hope that if this happenend when she went out, that she just tell the truth, she is proably scared, does she have any family?

[SavannahStar]

I agree Ms.Gator! I try really hard to discern whether what I see in them is a lack of "sophistication", or suspicious behavior. Too early and not enough info for me to get a good bead on it yet.


I agree with both of you!

[Regina.Lampert]

Volunteers Join Search for Haleigh
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17

For the first time residents will be able to join in the ground search....

Tim Miller, Founder/Director of the search group, told reporters Friday he has 30 - 40 people from his group in Satsuma. He is expecting a lot of Putnam County residents to show up.

Volunteers have already massed with ATVs. One person brought a mule to ride through the thick brush.......

Miller told First Coast News volunteers will have their eyes on a specific area. He wouldn't say where that is because he doesn't want to jeopardize the investigation, but investigators have been very busy in the woods within yards of Haleigh's home.


Thank you Des. This does not sound good.....

[JD1974]

A deadbolt can be picked. Someone could have a "bump key" which would bypass the deadbolt.

I'd really like to know if the locks were changed between tenants, or if a key had been lost or was missing recently.

IMO

The changing of the locks worries me also. Especially considering who lived around them, I really want to know who lived there before them.

[Barbara fl.]

I gotcha! I'm just saying she might not BE one of those mature ones, I'm not saying she definitely isn't. She's surely at an age where it could be iffy. (I've been up all night with a sick child and the plane crash so I'm not working on all cylinders myself.:mellow:)


Me too, i'm a retired Continental employee who know alot of people in Newark...i'v been on the phone just about all night and also have my granddaughter sick....so I can relate to being tired this morn.... I agree that Misty doesn't seem to be too mature, even for a 17 year old....and really doesn't seem to be the type to stay home with anyones kids.....JMOO

[jewel6]

Thank you Des. This does not sound good.....

So they must know something we dont :crying: ugh!

[Rick777]

It also bugs me that Misty speaks of Haleigh in past tense.

[Barbara fl.]

A deadbolt can be picked. Someone could have a "bump key" which would bypass the deadbolt.

I'd really like to know if the locks were changed between tenants, or if a key had been lost or was missing recently.

IMO


You have a very good point....I doubt that anyone would have a bump key for a dead bolt...but they need to check if that lock was cahnged when they moved in......that is a very good point (one that I hope LE looked into).....

[febreze]

if they checked the alibies of people Haleigh came in contact with when she spent time at her mothers, mom's boyfriend etc:

[blehchaos]

Not usually significantly until adolescence, IIRC.

Ahh ok I just remember seeing that one symptom was short stature...

[IM4Truth]

Volunteers Join Search for Haleigh
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131233&catid=17

For the first time residents will be able to join in the ground search....

Tim Miller, Founder/Director of the search group, told reporters Friday he has 30 - 40 people from his group in Satsuma. He is expecting a lot of Putnam County residents to show up.

Volunteers have already massed with ATVs. One person brought a mule to ride through the thick brush.......

Miller told First Coast News volunteers will have their eyes on a specific area. He wouldn't say where that is because he doesn't want to jeopardize the investigation, but investigators have been very busy in the woods within yards of Haleigh's home.


God Bless Tim Miller, I don't know where he finds the strength. I wish I could quit my job and just help with searches like this.

It is all too suspiscious for me. I've heard too many conflicting stories, no break-in, crow bar, dead bolt, plastic lock. My gut feeling is either the 17 year old went out with friends, maybe doesn't have her own key so she left one of the doors unlocked. Someone may have seen her out and took advantage of the chance. Or, someone else was there with her in that house & she knows who it is. She may have passed 2 polys but something isn't right.

Between this board and CA's I've been reading for a couple of hours now. Have to leave for awhile, though this is addictive to me.

[JD1974]

okay ,I heard the full 911 call now ....the DAD was normal , he said F -the date of birth get someone here now ...yeah he was straight up .....he threatened to kill someone who took her , yep straight up ...I guess the young girl just doesn't know what to do or how to react to all that.....


This is a nightmare ...who takes little kids ?...... sickos and its never good ! It was probably a molester on record or one just coming out of the closet , so sickening ...........this is why the Jessica Lundsford act in in play ,they get NO SECOND CHANCES .............Child molesters are never reformed and they need locked up for life ,they should never be out on the street again to prey upon these little victims !


I mean whats the difference between the law then and now concerning child molesters ........why are the old ones grandfathered IN .....the law should be retroactive .....the old ones need locked up now .....they can not be trusted IMO , anyone who has ever molested a child has already shown they are sick , its been said they can never be reformed , the child molesters have said this themselves ,so they are always at risk to act again and that is too dangerous !


I agree about the call, I just thought that was the dad being a human and absolutely flipping out. Who takes our kids, you are right sicko's, they won't change. Most of them do not want to change. I am not sure what to do with them, I fear if we gie them the DP or life in prison they will kill the kids, they are already going to get the same sentence either way. Then again you can't let them out to hurt another kid. I just don't know.

[Kelly3820]

Doesn't Turner's Syndrome effect growth?



yes it does

[IlliniFan]

Thank you Des. This does not sound good.....

I agree, it doesn't sound good. I'm so glad that goup is there to help...

[Destini]

I can't get past the door being opened and propped. Everyone inside that house says it's "Always locked" and Ron said he personally locks/locked it himself. Last night on Greta they both said they think maybe someone "picked the lock.". Can you pick a deadbolt?????

We know the AC man was supposedly there earlier in the day, and MAYBE he had propped the door open? Misty may feel bad for what has happened, and lied about knowing that door was never re-locked and is trying to stay with her lie to look and feel less guilty.

Hmm, that's a very good thought. Air conditioning units in my experience are normally in the back yard. If he was working in the back yard, there's a good chance Misty opened that back door to deal with him. Maybe he was in and out of the house for whatever reason. Maybe the screen door was hard to open from the outside & like you say he put it there so he wouldn't have to bother anyone. I hope the police questioned him about this. He's probably pretty panicked himself of getting drawn into this, even though I know they've ruled him out.

I think Misty is maybe, to put it gently, a little slow. Nothing wrong with that, everyone can't be a genious. And she is afraid to admit she didn't check the back door after he left, like you say, afraid of getting in big trouble and afraid of anger from Ron. Good possibility.

[Kelly3820]

I don't think Misty did it.

[jewel6]

I don't think Misty did it.

I think that detectives would of cracked her by now.jmo

[JD1974]

Hmm, that's a very good thought. Air conditioning units in my experience are normally in the back yard. If he was working in the back yard, there's a good chance Misty opened that back door to deal with him. Maybe he was in and out of the house for whatever reason. Maybe the screen door was hard to open from the outside & like you say he put it there so he wouldn't have to bother anyone. I hope the police questioned him about this. He's probably pretty panicked himself of getting drawn into this, even though I know they've ruled him out.

I think Misty is maybe, to put it gently, a little slow. Nothing wrong with that, everyone can't be a genious. And she is afraid to admit she didn't check the back door after he left, like you say, afraid of getting in big trouble and afraid of anger from Ron. Good possibility.


Now that is a very interesting scenario there! I can see her being scared to deatht o admit that she didn't check the back door. I bet she has told the police now though, they may not be releasing it. That may be why it changed to abduction?

[Rick777]

Hmm, that's a very good thought. Air conditioning units in my experience are normally in the back yard. If he was working in the back yard, there's a good chance Misty opened that back door to deal with him. Maybe he was in and out of the house for whatever reason. Maybe the screen door was hard to open from the outside & like you say he put it there so he wouldn't have to bother anyone. I hope the police questioned him about this. He's probably pretty panicked himself of getting drawn into this, even though I know they've ruled him out.

I think Misty is maybe, to put it gently, a little slow. Nothing wrong with that, everyone can't be a genious. And she is afraid to admit she didn't check the back door after he left, like you say, afraid of getting in big trouble and afraid of anger from Ron. Good possibility.


Excellent possibility. I always feel like Ron is a raging, angry human thats trying to be someone else while being interviewed.

[kitty1182]

Saying a prayer this child will be found today.......

[JD1974]

Oh, I agree! They're on to something or at least they think they are.


Wishful thinking by my part that we are all wrong and she somehow wandered off and is lost in the woods...I know the rose colored glasses are on but one can hope.

[Pat]

That's because you are a mother....and a loving mother at that...however not all mothers are like that....Nowadays especially, I see more and more mothers shifting their responsibilities or excepting any alternative to raising their own children....As for men raising children...some men make better parents then mothers...My son is a perfect example...he has sole custody of his 2 children and it wasn't because he fought the mother for it...she walked away and never looked back.....she might call once every year...My son owns his own home and business...and never misses any school activity or practice for his kids.....and he was the problem child when younger....

I believe this man was trying his hardest to take care of his kids but used poor judgement when leaving them with a 17 year old who wasn't their bio mom.....JMO...I could be so wrong...


I just hope and pray they find Haleigh safe....

Wow, barbara...did your son meet my ex-daughter-in-law? My son has custody of his 10-yr old daughter and has since she was 6. My DIL was not interested in custody and has never spent a single holiday with her mother and DIL refused to have her except on the weekends she had to. When they moved down here DIL didn't even call GD to say goodbye. GD had tried calling her Mom for over a week to set up a meeting and was so crushed and angry. This Christmas came and went with no card, no gift, no call. Until after Christmas when DIL sent an IM to GD with pictures of her new cat, cat toys, cat tree. As usual, after several days of constant contact, DIL cut off all communication. She has even changed her phone number. My son has no contact with DIL, but wanted and encouraged GD to stay in contact...unfortunately, you can't make women love their children.

I do not understand women like this. I cannot get in their heads, but I am so grateful GD is no longer a tool in her battle with my son.

Sorry for OT, but in these kinds of cases, if a mother doesn't have custody and isn't in a battle to get it, it is because they don't want custody and the child is better off.

[Destini]

Now that is a very interesting scenario there! I can see her being scared to deatht o admit that she didn't check the back door. I bet she has told the police now though, they may not be releasing it. That may be why it changed to abduction?

Yes, hopefully if that's the case she has told the police, even if she has told no one else. And I would imagine the AC guy would have told them also. Could be this information has just not been released to the family. All a theory only, no facts. Sounds very possible to me, though.

[IlliniFan]

If I remember correctly, Misty's brother? and children were there that evening from 5 - 5:45 PM. The dad had already gone to work. It's possilbe that the brother might have gone out that door for some reason and failed to resecure the deadbolt?

Just tossing out some ideas...

[dohinmom]

hello everyone,

it is so ironic ( for lack of a better word) that this happened so close to orlando and the girls name rhymes with Caylee. Like what are the odds? Just IMO

I have a couple of questions for you guys:

1. I had only heard that the father passed a poly. What station said that the gf passed a poly, and why did she have to take two poly's?

2. How long has the father been going out with the gf? I was surprised that she didn't know when Haleigh's birthday was. I can see her not clicking on the year, but I would think a gf would know the month at least. IMO

TIA

dolphinmom

[Regina.Lampert]

Oh, I agree! They're on to something or at least they think they are.

Hiya Lavenia! I wonder what's behind the home. Has anyone posted an aerial view of the address?

[penguinlady]

I'm not real sure what to think about this case. But, one thing that clicks in my mind every time I hear it is about the dead bolt. Why can't the little girl reach it? She's 5 yrs old...2 of my doors have dead bolts and my 6 year old has been able to reach it for years. I don't understand why a 5 yr old couldn't. I pray this little girl is found alive and well.


I think it depends on where the deadbolt is. When we moved into our house the door didn't have one. We live on a pretty busy street and when I got preggo with ds, we decided to put the deadbolt up high. DS is a very tall 4 year old (44") but the only way he could do that deadbolt is by dragging a chair over to it.

IMO
K

[IM4Truth]

I just did a search of sexual offenders in my neighborhood. Within 1.5 sq. miles I found 9 sexual offenders, 1 sexual offender. There are also 3 schools and 10 daycares in this same vicinity.

[SavannahStar]

I think that detectives would of cracked her by now.jmo

That's a good point.....she's so young.....

[JD1974]

I just did a search of sexual offenders in my neighborhood. Within 1.5 sq. miles I found 9 sexual offenders, 1 sexual offender. There are also 3 schools and 10 daycares in this same vicinity.


I checked my area and there aren't any, which actually kind of amazed me considering where I live. I can't believe there are 44 within 5 miles of that little girls house, look at the area where they live! I am in total shock, kind of like a community of them took up residence there.

[Destini]

Excellent possibility. I always feel like Ron is a raging, angry human thats trying to be someone else while being interviewed.

I suspect he does have anger issues, and at this point the only reason I feel that is pertinent .... and I stress at this point .... is it would be a reason Misty is not coming forward to the public with everything she knows, because Ron does not know. IF that in fact is happening, I don't know.

What I cannot understand is why someone is not advising her to stay home, with her parents, & stay out of the media. Maybe they are & she's not listening?

[IM4Truth]

Here is a link to search your own neighborhoods. I would suggest anyone with children check it out and be aware.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

[SavannahStar]

hello everyone,

it is so ironic ( for lack of a better word) that this happened so close to orlando and the girls name rhymes with Caylee. Like what are the odds? Just IMO

I have a couple of questions for you guys:

1. I had only heard that the father passed a poly. What station said that the gf passed a poly, and why did she have to take two poly's?

2. How long has the father been going out with the gf? I was surprised that she didn't know when Haleigh's birthday was. I can see her not clicking on the year, but I would think a gf would know the month at least. IMO

TIA

dolphinmom

I don't know how long they have been together but it doesn't surprise me at all that she doesn't know Haleigh's birthday. Unless her birthday was very recently, and there was a big party or some other reason to remember it, the specific date.....:shrug:

[Rick777]

"Earlier today, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that investigators have collected evidence from Cummings' mobile home but would not describe the evidence.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."

The evidence has since been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Regional Crime Lab for analysis.

Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, "There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families," Rose said.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...-abducted.html


uh oh! This seems interesting, BUT......they supposedly passed thier lie detector tests?

[Rick777]

"Originally Posted by dohinmom
hello everyone,

it is so ironic ( for lack of a better word) that this happened so close to orlando and the girls name rhymes with Caylee. Like what are the odds? Just IMO

I have a couple of questions for you guys:

1. I had only heard that the father passed a poly. What station said that the gf passed a poly, and why did she have to take two poly's?

2. How long has the father been going out with the gf? I was surprised that she didn't know when Haleigh's birthday was. I can see her not clicking on the year, but I would think a gf would know the month at least. IMO

TIA

dolphinmom



I heard they have been toghether 4-6 months.

[jewel6]

Oh my! I'm not so sure LE would tell a suspect that they "passed" a poly this early in the investigation. That's an awful powerful tool to hold close to your vest. And if they did tell them that, it ain't necessarily the truth. Wow, I will be watching this all day.

If they had failed the poly wouldnt they be interrogating them to death? i dont know, but i think they would be on them and fast. jmo

[8BellesFan]

I hope they find her today.

[JD1974]

Heya' Sweetheart! :wub: I haven't seen a pic myself, but I keep hearing about how much water is so close to them. I'm not sure how that exactly translates though.


I originally thought it was right behind the house, in response to not being in the backyard much, then the dad said something like 5 or 6 blocks?

[VC2]

But you know, even though it sounds like deja vu to us, if this were not being covered by the media that man would probably be home in the bosom of his family saying the same thing. Some of the relatives would be trying to warn him and some would be saying the same thing. I think that's normal, it has only been a few days. Nobody knows anything for sure yet, there's nothing that points to anything, it's too soon for the denial phase to be gotten through. Hope is still alive and I think that's good. For now.

Well i always thought that it was normal in another very recent case too, still do so i won't argue with you.

Even though i think that the grandfather should face reality and realize that his little one is dead and murdered in all likelihood. It has been 4 days since she was discovered missing and it appears that he should have known there was a 17 year old and his son in law i the house, who obviously didn't care about his granddaughter since he let a 17 yr old look after her overnight and she is suspicious due to lies (see her changes in stories)

IMO
eta.. if its not clear, I do not believe that he should face the "reality" but Its the same sort of thing that was said about George even as early as the first two days so im just using that as an example of how some people will see it.

[Casecase]

I wonder if anyone has looked under the trailer to see if she was put there???


IMO

[kayemm]

Yes, hopefully if that's the case she has told the police, even if she has told no one else. And I would imagine the AC guy would have told them also. Could be this information has just not been released to the family. All a theory only, no facts. Sounds very possible to me, though.

It doesn't, however, get us any closer into working out who the perpetrator is, an abductor watching the house waiting on an opportunity?

[JD1974]

Oh my! I'm not so sure LE would tell a suspect that they "passed" a poly this early in the investigation. That's an awful powerful tool to hold close to your vest. And if they did tell them that, it ain't necessarily the truth. Wow, I will be watching this all day.


I think they possibly would, or makeyou take another one in case you were too shaken up for the first one. Kind of like the g/f, now i am judging! It is just a tool though, it cannot be brought into a trial so I don't think that would matter much in the scheme of things.

[playnice]

If I remember correctly, Misty's brother? and children were there that evening from 5 - 5:45 PM. The dad had already gone to work. It's possilbe that the brother might have gone out that door for some reason and failed to resecure the deadbolt?

Just tossing out some ideas...

That is a very good possibility. The dad wouldnt have known and the gf may not have noticed either.

I think whoever took her opened that door and propped it open on the way in so they could grab the child and keep on walking.
Im not ruling out the gf but think sex offender is a high probability.
It only took one time for Couey to enter that house and take Jessica.

[jewel6]

I was thinking about the child welfare. Maybe mom and her parents called them or friends of mom. doesent seem to be love between them and the father. Haleigh missed alot of school too and i was wondering that maybe the school could call. The father worked nights maybe he didnt always get haleigh up in time for school. She would have had a long bus ride to school. jmo

[Motomom]

Well i always thought that it was normal in another very recent case too, still do so i won't argue with you.

Even though i think that the grandfather should face reality and realize that his little one is dead and murdered in all likelihood. It has been 4 days since she was discovered missing and it appears that he should have known there was a 17 year old and his son in law i the house, who obviously didn't care about his granddaughter since he let a 17 yr old look after her overnight and she is suspicious due to lies (see her changes in stories)

IMO
eta.. if its not clear, I do not believe that he should face the "reality" but Its the same sort of thing that was said about George even as early as the first two days so im just using that as an example of how some people will see it.

So those that put their children in care of a 17 yr old must not care ? What exactly are you saying V?

[Rick777]

I really hope this turns out to be a horrible case of taking this child over some family dispute. I'm tired of these young lives being taken.

Between Haleigh and Caylee, I've learned that Florida families are messed up! (Not all, but you know what I mean.)

[IM4Truth]

Miami FL local searches for sexual offenders

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/MyNeighborhood/seop.asp

[Destini]

I originally thought it was right behind the house, in response to not being in the backyard much, then the dad said something like 5 or 6 blocks?

I saw a map somewhere showing how close the home is to the water. Just did some searching & couldn't find it again, so IMO only I guess. It looked like about 3 blocks to me, heavily wooded part of the way.

[Rick777]

Ron and Misty have been staying in a tent near thier home, which I find interesting considering all thier supposed relatives nearby. Do they know something we don't know??

[8BellesFan]

I was thinking about the child welfare. Maybe mom and her parents called them or friends of mom. doesent seem to be love between them and the father. Haleigh missed alot of school too and i was wondering that maybe the school could call. The father worked nights maybe he didnt always get haleigh up in time for school. She would have had a long bus ride to school. jmo


Or she could have been not feeling well. the Grandmother said she had alot of bouts with asthma and allergies, that she wasn't much of an outside girl, but liked computers and such.

[8BellesFan]

Ron and Misty have been staying in a tent near thier home, which I find interesting considering all thier supposed relatives nearby. Do they know something we don't know??

I'd stay there too if my little one was missing.

[juliekan]

I don't know how long they have been together but it doesn't surprise me at all that she doesn't know Haleigh's birthday. Unless her birthday was very recently, and there was a big party or some other reason to remember it, the specific date.....:shrug:

I was in a situation once where someone needed to call 911, and they couldn't even remember their own home address, they were so shook up.

[PuffDragon]

Misty also said that there was company there for a while that evening. Propping open a door sounds to me like what someone does when the house gets stuffy from too many people in a too small space. Now if you know that the door is never used and that your boyfriend had checked it before he went to work (because he always does), and if your company left by the front door and you didn't go back into the kitchen again for the rest of the night, maybe you wouldn't even think that the door was open, and maybe the light was left on and you didn't notice.........
And maybe after they left you all stayed in the bedroom and watched TV until you all fell asleep, with the back door still propped open and the kitchen light on.
And a child going out of the bedroom to the bathroom, seeing the light on and the door open, might go outside to see why.............

MO, of course. Just a thought.

[Destini]

I wonder if anyone has looked under the trailer to see if she was put there???


IMO

OMG, I had that on my mind last night, after thinking back about Jessica Lunsford. I'm sure the bloodhounds would have picked up any scent there though, hopefully.

I also was thinking when they were searching the SOs' homes in the area or neighbors' homes or whatever that they took the bloodhounds in with them and didn't just do a walk-through.

[penguinlady]

I wonder if anyone has looked under the trailer to see if she was put there???


IMO

Not to be gross or anything, but it has been several days. I am sure if they hadn't looked they would know by now :crying:

IMO
K

[VC2]

I did not get good vibes about bio mother. she was hiding something about custody. JMO

from the cbs story linked the other day she was. That she did not take her child to get the very necessary hormone shots for Turners syndrome and had a drug addiction problem. Judge seemed to have agreed. Not that i think it has to do with haighleighs reaction but i have to say that my higher sympathy is with the dad who has not tried to trash the mom while mom and her parents keep trashing the dad and g/f so im not to impressed with them when its not the thing to focus on

IMO

imo only

[Rick777]

Here are my thoughts on this: I believe that the 17 year old g/f babysitter went out regularly to hang with friends or whatever. Some pervert pedophile has been watching (he covets what he sees every day) just like David Westerfield with Daniel Van Dam. And knew she would leave. She goes out as usual, he comes in and kidnaps the child. She comes home, the child is not there, she immediately starts to cover it up to make it look like someone broke in while she was "asleep". Why is her story changing 3 times so far? Why are there no tears in some of these interviews, primarily the first interview? Why does she have to take two polygraphs? She sounds like Susan Smith to me. Except I don't think she killed this child. I don't think she gave a flying fig about those kids and is emotionally detached and therefor no tears. I don't think at 17 she wanted to be in the role of surrogate caretaker for these kids anyway. What 17 year old does. So she stages the house to make take the suspicion off of her that she was out because if her b/f finds out she left those kids alone, he has anger issues and will beat the living daylights out of her. She comes up with this story that they were all sleeping and she had to go to the restroom but discovers the back door wide open, and then calls the b/f who by this time is driving into the driveway and is asking her why she did not already call the police. Another thing that does not make sense to me is if the backdoor is locked all the time and hardly ever used, why did one of them say they locked the back door earlier that day. Red flag.

I truly feel that this child is being held by a ped in the neighborhood close to home. I do not think that the police are doing what they said to the news, looking in every closet, for this child. I think they have already missed her, I think they were right there and missed her, and we are looking at another Jessie Lundford case/ another Elizabeth Smart case. Right under everyone's noses and still nobody sees.

Of course this is my theory, my observation and my opinion just in case I am challenged on that.

But don't you think one of the obvious questions on the Lie-Detector test would have been "Did you leave the house at all between 10 pm and 3 am?

[sachae]

This would suggest that the person/ or people she met with are also keeping quiet, if this is the case then I'm, sure evidence will show up in call records etc An agreement to keep quiet about something like this would need to be discussed after the fact imo.

Exactly, and we do not know exactly what the police know at this time, and what they are working on, and also as I said I could not understand her answer when asked by Greta if she passed the lie test, the Father said that he did very clearly, I believe twice. As for call records I do not know if she would have a cell phone, please do not kill me, but she seems to be a simple person, that is why I asked if she has any family, because I think she needs someone to comfort her and I believe that if she did go out with her friends, or friend she would tell them, this is going to end up being a very sad story, I feel, and I do not think she is anything like Susan! Please guys!

[8BellesFan]

from the cbs story linked the other day she was. That she did not take her child to get the very necessary hormone shots for Turners syndrome and had a drug addiction problem. Judge seemed to have agreed. Not that i think it has to do with haighleighs reaction but i have to say that my higher sympathy is with the dad who has not tried to trash the mom while mom and her parents keep trashing the dad and g/f so im not to impressed with them when its not the thing to focus on

IMO

imo only


and imo too.

[kayemm]

Misty also said that there was company there for a while that evening. Propping open a door sounds to me like what someone does when the house gets stuffy from too many people in a too small space. Now if you know that the door is never used and that your boyfriend had checked it before he went to work (because he always does), and your company left by the front door and you didn't go back into the kitchen again for the rest of the night, maybe you wouldn't even think that the door was open, and maybe the light was left on and you didn't notice.........
And maybe after they left you all stayed in the bedroom and watched TV until you all fell asleep, with the back door still propped open and the kitchen light on.

MO, of course. Just a thought.

On the 911 call I have to say it didn't sound like a story, it didn't sound rehearsed or even logical, the dispatcher had to get her to repeat it and clarify it, I think twice, before we got that there was a block propping open the door. She said it had never been there before, if it was something frequently used then why would Halaighs dad lie about it too?

I am not convinced she is lying about anything, yet, I am not even convinced any story has changed yet, we know the press stories have been all over the place but I can't attribute any misreportings to her yet, for a great chunk of a day she was being reported as Haleighs cousin.

She might be lying through her teeth but I haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

[Rick777]

I'd stay there too if my little one was missing.

How would that help? They have relatives close, and they aren't searching, they are just doing interviews.

[Motomom]

How would that help? They have relatives close, and they aren't searching, they are just doing interviews.

It might just make dad feel better. Being close to the house. Lord knows what's going through his head at any given moment.

[juliekan]

How would that help? They have relatives close, and they aren't searching, they are just doing interviews.

The police had a mobile command station out there...I figure the family thinks if they stay, they will be "up to the minute" with what is going on.

[kayemm]

from the cbs story linked the other day she was. That she did not take her child to get the very necessary hormone shots for Turners syndrome and had a drug addiction problem. Judge seemed to have agreed. Not that i think it has to do with haighleighs reaction but i have to say that my higher sympathy is with the dad who has not tried to trash the mom while mom and her parents keep trashing the dad and g/f so im not to impressed with them when its not the thing to focus on

IMO

imo only

I think everyone trashes whoever they can get away with and usually it's to mask their own sense of parental guilt at not having stopped a horrific act.

So the ex trashes the father and he trashes the girlfriend (at least intially as we can hear on the 911 call) and the girlfriend has no-one to trash except herself but that's okay because everyone else is trashing her too!

[Destini]

It doesn't, however, get us any closer into working out who the perpetrator is, an abductor watching the house waiting on an opportunity?

Possibly, I don't know ... I just have a real hard time throwing young people under the bus, always try to give them the benefit of doubt, I guess. Too tender-hearted for my own good sometimes.

I really believe that maybe Misty left after the kids went to bed & someone knew she was gone, possibly just rattled the doorknobs & found that one unlocked, someone that either knows them or lives in the area.

I could be all wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

[VC2]

So those that put their children in care of a 17 yr old must not care ? What exactly are you saying V?

nonono. What i am saying is that in a certain extremely recent case (the other one that has a forum of its own) the fact the grandparent had hope was responded to with 'he knows better" and some here will do the same, using everything from having a 17 year old alone with the kids and inconsistent stories of hers as proof that the grandfather should not be hoping but facing reality.

Personally i think the media is responsible for some of theinconsistent stories and i see nothing wrong with a 17 yr old looking after kids, its how most of us made money babysitting.

[Rick777]

I wanna know if the two Sex Offenders REALLY close to the home have been cleared. The police are really keeping things close to the vest here, and I'm used to crap loads of info from the Caylee Anthony case.

[8BellesFan]

How would that help? They have relatives close, and they aren't searching, they are just doing interviews.

it might help this young father emotionally to stay there.

[kayemm]

Possibly, I don't know ... I just have a real hard time throwing young people under the bus, always try to give them the benefit of doubt, I guess. Too tender-hearted for my own good sometimes.

I really believe that maybe Misty left after the kids went to bed & someone knew she was gone, possibly just rattled the doorknobs & found that one unlocked, someone that either knows them or lives in the area.

I could be all wrong, wouldn't be the first time.


I wasn't criticising at all, I was just wondering if she did go out (which there is no evidence of) then it doesn't get us any closer to finding Haleigh, I am not convinced the g/f has done anything wrong other than be 17 and upset, hopefully LE will find something in the house.

I wonder how often would be abductors 'rattle doorknobs' optimistically hoping, I mean it must happen but surely it's more common to have a bit more pre-planning?

Oh, going round in circles :sad:

[linspar]

Misty also said that there was company there for a while that evening. Propping open a door sounds to me like what someone does when the house gets stuffy from too many people in a too small space. Now if you know that the door is never used and that your boyfriend had checked it before he went to work (because he always does), and if your company left by the front door and you didn't go back into the kitchen again for the rest of the night, maybe you wouldn't even think that the door was open, and maybe the light was left on and you didn't notice.........
And maybe after they left you all stayed in the bedroom and watched TV until you all fell asleep, with the back door still propped open and the kitchen light on.
And a child going out of the bedroom to the bathroom, seeing the light on and the door open, might go outside to see why.............

MO, of course. Just a thought.


The propped back door has prompted me to think back on my mentality at 16yrs./17yrs. My parents were very strict early on and when I turned 16, I really went berserk (my poor parents). I would babysit children just to be able to have my boyfriend over after the kids went to bed. The propped back door (fast getaway, in case parents return early) wasn't too far fetched for me at that time in my life.
Could this be the case ?

[8BellesFan]

I wanna know if the two Sex Offenders REALLY close to the home have been cleared. The police are really keeping things close to the vest here, and I'm used to crap loads of info from the Caylee Anthony case.


who knows? what I do know is that Couey wasn't where he was supposed to be, and there can be people in the area that do not belong.

[jewel6]

The propped back door has prompted me to think back on my mentality at 16yrs./17yrs. My parents were very strict early on and when I turned 16, I really went berserk (my poor parents). I would babysit children just to be able to have my boyfriend over after the kids went to bed. The propped back door (fast getaway, in case parents return early) wasn't too far fetched for me at that time in my life.
Could this be the case ?

I saw the 17 year old smoking a cig. maybe she propped it to smoke a cig or something else? jmo

[tybek]

Miami FL local searches for sexual offenders

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/MyNeighborhood/seop.asp


A friend in the local sheriffs office once told me that while these registries can identify some specific houses/individuals to beware of, it doesn't necessarily tell you all of the sex offenders in your neighborhood. It doesn't include those who have never been caught, never been convicted (even if caught in the past), or never updated their address on the registery when they moved. In our state, the number of "missing" registered sex offenders is a pretty substantial percentage of the overall list...by missing, I mean that their current address is listed as unknown, but LE has determined that they are no longer at their registered address. My friend told me the offenders who are current on the list are the "good" offenders, they follow the legal requirements for registering and updating their addresses, and in general sex offenders aren't a group known for following the laws. The point being it's important to teach our kids how to keep themselves safe as best we can because we really don't know where all the offenders are...I know this is something most of us know. It's such an important point, I thought it was worth reiterating.

[BorderCollieMom]

I was so hoping to come here this morning and see that Haleigh had been found --- safe & sound.

:(

[marshmallow]

The propped back door has prompted me to think back on my mentality at 16yrs./17yrs. My parents were very strict early on and when I turned 16, I really went berserk (my poor parents). I would babysit children just to be able to have my boyfriend over after the kids went to bed. The propped back door (fast getaway, in case parents return early) wasn't too far fetched for me at that time in my life.
Could this be the case ?



a thought I had about the propped door. was she a smoker who wasn't allowed to smoke in the living space? I have a friend who smokes outside after her kids are in bed abd she props the door open too.

[Rick777]

Perhaps. Do we know what the qualifications are of the person that was conducting the test and reading the results?

We don't. On Greta she asked them both what was said that made them think they passed the test, and Ron said "they said I passed" and Misty stumbled and bumbled but said that she too was told she passed. I don't think I have ever heard of people saying they passed a lie-detector test before the cops put it out there?

[Rick777]

who knows? what I do know is that Couey wasn't where he was supposed to be, and there can be people in the area that do not belong.

This is true, but I would wanna start with the closest SO's and work from there.

[VC2]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

If u saw them side by side your aha moment would be my god they look alike, not in their manner or affect but physically could be sisters, and the angle of the camera was almost the same. That is why so many thought of susan smith in that interview.

She was really crying in an earlier presser

[Motomom]

nonono. What i am saying is that in a certain extremely recent case (the other one that has a forum of its own) the fact the grandparent had hope was responded to with 'he knows better" and some here will do the same, using everything from having a 17 year old alone with the kids and inconsistent stories of hers as proof that the grandfather should not be hoping but facing reality.

Personally i think the media is responsible for some of theinconsistent stories and i see nothing wrong with a 17 yr old looking after kids, its how most of us made money babysitting.

Ohh gotcha VC.. I was lost for a minute. I think the difference would be that the reason alot of people felt that way with the "other" is because of the dead body smell in the car. So far no smell yet with this little girl.

I agree, media is responsible for alot of the inconsistencies. Heck it's hard to find a 17 yr old that wants to sit around here..they start them earlier, 13/14 and then by the time they are around 16 you are beat if you need a sitter. I'm not sure if I think this little girl is gone or not yet.. I'm leaning towards gone but praying and hoping and begging God that she is out there somewhere alive. Makes me sick that people keep stealing out babies.. Leave out children alone!!!!

I feel for the father, the gf is a bit suspicious to me, but she is 17 and I just don't know what to think. I'm wondering if someone came in the front and went out the back though. Wondering if maybe they had been spying on the house, using the block to look into windows, propped the screen door and then couldn't get in the back door, so used another means. then went out the back.

[kayemm]

The propped back door has prompted me to think back on my mentality at 16yrs./17yrs. My parents were very strict early on and when I turned 16, I really went berserk (my poor parents). I would babysit children just to be able to have my boyfriend over after the kids went to bed. The propped back door (fast getaway, in case parents return early) wasn't too far fetched for me at that time in my life.
Could this be the case ?

So now she is two-timing her boyfriend while he goes to work and she looks after his kids that are old enough to tell him that Misty had another man over?

This is all getting a bit complicated.

[Motomom]

I was so hoping to come here this morning and see that Kaleigh had been found --- safe & sound.

:(

Haleigh :)

[jewel6]

I checked my offender registry. i knew we had one that lives across from the school, but today i saw two more just in our subdivision. great! I live in a pretty decent place. It just goes to show you it doesnt matter where you live. My children will not be oout alone anymore. :scared: jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Last night on NG, a couple of clips were shown of Misty. One in particular (even my dh commented about it), where there is a close-up shot of her explaining to the reporter her version of what happened. She was stuttering, whimpering, looking down (almost closed eyes) but there were no signs of even the slightest bit of tears. When she finished her explanation, she finally raised her head, looked into the camera w/ a facial expression as if to say "you believe me don't you ?" My heart sank because I remembered so vividly, at that moment, Susan Smith's media clip that displayed the exact futile attempt at deception. I would love to see the clip's of both, side by side, because the emotional displays are so shockingly similar to me. It was as if I had an "Ahhh Ha" moment.
I hope I am wrong.
JMO, of course.

That was my first reaction. "My God, she looks like a younger version of Susan Smith". Eyes closed as she was talking to the camera.

DH thought the same thing at the same time.

[JD1974]

We don't. On Greta she asked them both what was said that made them think they passed the test, and Ron said "they said I passed" and Misty stumbled and bumbled but said that she too was told she passed. I don't think I have ever heard of people saying they passed a lie-detector test before the cops put it out there?

If you are a suspect you would think the examiner would say right after if you had passed or not? LE knows, why isn't there info like there was from the other case? Sunshine law and everything?

[KittyMom]

Anyone got a link for a live feed of the 10:30 presser?

[Rick777]

We are talking about a 17 year old girl that seems 12. It just crossed my mind that maybe she was witness to a perp coming in and taking the child right in front of her.....and the perp telling her..."Say anything about me and I kill the girl."

Just tossing out the possibility cuz I'm not sure what is what at this point.

[Pat]

from the cbs story linked the other day she was. That she did not take her child to get the very necessary hormone shots for Turners syndrome and had a drug addiction problem. Judge seemed to have agreed. Not that i think it has to do with haighleighs reaction but i have to say that my higher sympathy is with the dad who has not tried to trash the mom while mom and her parents keep trashing the dad and g/f so im not to impressed with them when its not the thing to focus on
IMO

imo only

Bolding mine...I so agree with this. Instead of pointing fingers and throwing out doubt about the Dad's parenting, these people should be united in trying to find that child. They can fight over who is the "better person" later.

[linspar]

So now she is two-timing her boyfriend while he goes to work and she looks after his kids that are old enough to tell him that Misty had another man over?

This is all getting a bit complicated.

Just a thought....
It would not be the FIRST time.
JMO, of course

[8BellesFan]

I checked my offender registry. i knew we had one that lives across from the school, but today i saw two more just in our subdivision. great! I live in a pretty decent place. It just goes to show you it doesnt matter where you live. My children will not be oout alone anymore. :scared: jmo

we had one right next door for a while. He was a donkey butt, too. he had two charges of agravated rape, victim was 14. he also had an exwife, a current wife, three little kids and an alcohol problem. thank goodness he also had a pay the rent problem. he was soon gone.

[PuffDragon]

<snipped to address>
if its not clear, I do not believe that he should face the "reality" but Its the same sort of thing that was said about George even as early as the first two days so im just using that as an example of how some people will see it.

Not exactly the same. George, former LE, smelled decomp in the car.

[PuffDragon]

I wonder if anyone has looked under the trailer to see if she was put there???


IMO

The dogs would surely have hit there.

[kitty1182]

If they had failed the poly wouldnt they be interrogating them to death? i dont know, but i think they would be on them and fast. jmo

Maybe they want to watch them and see if anyone of them does anything out of the ordinary...I have a bad feeling about this..

[jewel6]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html on now!

[Destini]

I wasn't criticising at all, I was just wondering if she did go out (which there is no evidence of) then it doesn't get us any closer to finding Haleigh, I am not convinced the g/f has done anything wrong other than be 17 and upset, hopefully LE will find something in the house.

I wonder how often would be abductors 'rattle doorknobs' optimistically hoping, I mean it must happen but surely it's more common to have a bit more pre-planning?

Oh, going round in circles :sad:

I'm hoping for a miracle & someone drops her off somewhere & she's fine, although I know that's being really optimistic. I'm glad Tim & his crew are there today. Not very much we can do on a message board except discuss the facts & possibilities, very frustrating. I wish I was there.

[beetlebrow]

Sorry, don't have the link, but two nights ago, (I believe on Greta), the bio mom and grandma had explained that they had just seen Haleigh and her brother this past weekend. Dropped them off on Sunday.

imo

Not trying to be mean but, I think if you asked the biomom when the last time was she visited Pluto, she would have to think about it for awhile and/or ask her mom.....:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I saw the 17 year old smoking a cig. maybe she propped it to smoke a cig or something else? jmo

I wondered that yesterday, but I don't think that this is going to be that simple.

[JD1974]

Not even an arrest yet. No public records to sunshine, IMO.


That's right..I forgot Casey had been arrested for something else before stuff started coming out.

[KittyMom]

clickorlando.com is also carrying the presser

[JD1974]

Its on Headline News!

Sex Offenders have been interviewed and houses searched.

Interviewing more family members.

Expanding search.


WHY do they keep cutting them off!!!

[Rick777]

I don't think that this is the case, Rick, although this was a very well put together thought. Reason being that I think she is more afraid of her b/f temper than she is of any criminal.

Just remember, the devil is in the details.

Well they way Ron "coached" Misty on Greta last night, there's no doubt he strongarms her! That was so odd.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't think that this is the case, Rick, although this was a very well put together thought. Reason being that I think she is more afraid of her b/f temper than she is of any criminal.

Just remember, the devil is in the details.

We don't know that, what we know is that she is terrified.

[VC2]

The changing of the locks worries me also. Especially considering who lived around them, I really want to know who lived there before them.

was thinking, there were some friends over early (5 pm or so) and its perfectly possible to me that one used the back door and didn't relock it. That could explain everything about the door and its quite possible that the person doesn't want to say they cant remember if they did or has said so to LE and bc they werent sure its not publci

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. I got here late and am trying to catch up. I was watching on tv last night and this is just so awful.

I am still a bit hopeful and praying that Haleigh comes home safe. :sad:

[beetlebrow]

a thought I had about the propped door. was she a smoker who wasn't allowed to smoke in the living space? I have a friend who smokes outside after her kids are in bed abd she props the door open too.

Couldn't she also have left the FRONT door open just as easily???
Nephews and uncle there earlier, maybe when they left she forgot to lock the front door......happens all the time in my house....:thumbup:

[WillowInFlight]

Better your kid *thinks* she hates you for now, rather than love you nevermore!

Truer words were never spoken, well in your case typed. LOL

[camracrazy]

Fiance of Haleigh's Mother Questioned:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

His name is Chad Griffis. I thought that the bio mom's mother was Marie Griffis. Am I mistaken?

[sachae]

"Earlier today, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that investigators have collected evidence from Cummings' mobile home but would not describe the evidence.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."

The evidence has since been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Regional Crime Lab for analysis.

Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, "There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families," Rose said.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...-abducted.html


uh oh! This seems interesting, BUT......they supposedly passed thier lie detector tests?


On NG last night the mother the Bio Mom said that her little girl missed a lot of scholl and was sick a lot, when Nancy asked why did she miss school, why was she sick a lot she answered I do not know As I have said there is a lot of information that we the public do not know yet, I read that Mist has been his girlfriend for 4 months, did she live with him all the time anyone.?

[PuffDragon]

On the 911 call I have to say it didn't sound like a story, it didn't sound rehearsed or even logical, the dispatcher had to get her to repeat it and clarify it, I think twice, before we got that there was a block propping open the door. She said it had never been there before, if it was something frequently used then why would Halaighs dad lie about it too?

I am not convinced she is lying about anything, yet, I am not even convinced any story has changed yet, we know the press stories have been all over the place but I can't attribute any misreportings to her yet, for a great chunk of a day she was being reported as Haleighs cousin.

She might be lying through her teeth but I haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

I'm not saying that she's lying about anything. I'm saying that somebody might have gone into the kitchen, turned on the light, propped the door open for ventilation, left without remembering to close it or shut off the light, and Misty, not knowing someone had done that, never went back in there or noticed, just took the two kids and went into the bedroom to watch television until they fell asleep.

Just trying to make some logical sense of the cinder block issue, is what I'm doing.

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning everybody. I got here late and am trying to catch up. I was watching on tv last night and this is just so awful.

I am still a bit hopeful and praying that Haleigh comes home safe. :sad:

I sadly think luck is out on this case. :crying::crying:

[KittyMom]

Fiance of Haleigh's Mother Questioned:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

His name is Chad Griffis. I thought that the bio mom's mother was Marie Griffis. Am I mistaken?

Her name is Crystal.

[PuffDragon]

Here ya go!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg)

I just noticed whoever did this photobucket, put Caylee's name on it.

Odd. Maybe not knowing the actual right name. where they sound so similar.

Also odd, I thought I heard, in one of the early interviews, that the father said there was a wheelchair ramp at the back door. Can anyone see if there's a ramp there?

[SavannahStar]

It might just make dad feel better. Being close to the house. Lord knows what's going through his head at any given moment.


Exactly. I can understand that perfectly.

[BorderCollieMom]

Its on Headline News!

Sex Offenders have been interviewed and houses searched.

Interviewing more family members.

Expanding search.

Whoever that was answering questions, seemed alittle peeved that he was asked if EVERY single home had been searched outside AND INSIDE. He said NO, then added he didnt want to compare this case to the Jessie case.

I found that strange. I think everyones house should be searched inside too. I dont see why anyone would say no to LE taking a walk through to check closets & such.

[camracrazy]

Her name is Crystal.

Yes, the bio mom's name is Crystal Sheffield. I was talking about the bio mom's mother. She was on TV last night with Crystal.

[Mandysmom]

When NG interviewed the birth mom last night, she appeared to not be very upset that her daughter is missing. When NG asked her about why
she did not have custody, she was not too forthcoming about the circumstances, and appears "under influence of something" ; she could not give straight answers, but from what I gleaned from the interview, she lost custody of her daughter to the father b/c she failed to appear in court for custody hearing and theygave the dad custody.
Just speculation here, has anyone thought possible that the bio-mom and grandmother may have taken and hidden the child to get her back?
I think this is something that needs looking into. JMO

Hi Susie. I don't think that is the case, but hubby was watching with me last night and that was his first thought.

I'm not really leaning that way though.

[beetlebrow]

Hey Beetle- tried to pm you but you are full. Needed to correct myself about the view of the home on NG last night where I thought the screened in porch was a view from the backside but it actually was the front of the home. Sorry for my incorrect post.

I saw a picture.....does this mean there are 2 screen doors....one in the front and one in the back????

I'll clean out my litter box asap :tonguewag:

[spiritwolf46]

Morning all!

I told myself I would NOT get involved with this case after the Caylee case, but here I am! LOL

I have a lot of catching up to do with this one.

Anyone know if George went home?????

[WillowInFlight]

Exactly. I can understand that perfectly.

Good morning Savannah, when are we going to hook up on a happy thread? whats your take on the girlfriend?

[Ladyhawk]

Does anyone know how long has RC lived in this house? (I'm guessing he's renting) Has there been any mention of previous tenants? Lock don't always get changed between renters and all keys that exist don't always get turned back to the landlord.

[beetlebrow]

Fiance of Haleigh's Mother Questioned:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

His name is Chad Griffis. I thought that the bio mom's mother was Marie Griffis. Am I mistaken?

How odd!!!! And Griffis is not a common name :ohmy:

Slap me for what I'm thinking!!!!!:laugh:

[sinagua]

Thanks for the picture of the house. I was looking for the back door, but it must be on the front. I am thinking that it probably has pretty small temporary steps, that aren't used very much

If the couple are mj smokers, there would be no need to prop a door open to smoke a cigarette,

Also, did the 17 YO have a car? I fell like if she had went out to a party, her friends would have come forward by now.

I would suggest to the GF, that this is not a good relationship - no matter the circumstances. My husband would have never talked to me like he did to her, not even at his worst.

I hope as someone suggested - all trunks of cars have been checked.

Goodness, if I was in this family's shoes, I would not want George Anthony or L. Pidilla there. They are making it a freak show. moo

[KittyMom]

Whoever that was answering questions, seemed alittle peeved that he was asked if EVERY single home had been searched outside AND INSIDE. He said NO, then added he didnt want to compare this case to the Jessie case.

I found that strange. I think everyones house should be searched inside too. I dont see why anyone would say no to LE taking a walk through to check closets & such.

That was the Sheriff. I'm pretty sure that without a search warrant, deputies can't just go barrelling in to have a look. Some people do deny access to LE searches.

[beetlebrow]

On NG last night the mother the Bio Mom said that her little girl missed a lot of scholl and was sick a lot, when Nancy asked why did she miss school, why was she sick a lot she answered I do not know As I have said there is a lot of information that we the public do not know yet, I read that Mist has been his girlfriend for 4 months, did she live with him all the time anyone.?

Haleigh has Turner syndrome......

[kitty1182]

Going to re interview the family members..I wonder what evedence (sp) was took from the home....

[KittyMom]

Yes, the bio mom's name is Crystal Sheffield. I was talking about the bio mom's mother. She was on TV last night with Crystal.

okey dokey... I don't remember her name, sorry

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, the bio mom's name is Crystal Sheffield. I was talking about the bio mom's mother. She was on TV last night with Crystal.

IIRC, someone on another board said that Chad Griffs was the son of Marie Griffs' current husband.

(Yes, that would make Chad Crystal's step brother).

Again, this was posted on another board.

[WillowInFlight]

Going to re interview the family members..I wonder what evedence (sp) was took from the home....

Me too, I can't believe another child gone.:crying:

[KittyMom]

Going to re interview the family members..I wonder what evedence (sp) was took from the home....

LE sure didn't go into details on that.

[SavannahStar]

Good morning Savannah, when are we going to hook up on a happy thread? whats your take on the girlfriend?


Hi Willow! Well, I guess she could be seen as a bit "suspicious," but my gut feeling is that is because she's so young.....

I have catching up on this case to do before I really speculate anything.

[Rick777]

I think this points to police not in total agreeance with what Ron and Misty are putting out there. Sheriff says "alot of misinformation being put out there".

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/20...234455366.html

[num1barb]

~snipped for bandwidth~

This is a nightmare ...who takes little kids ?...... sickos and its never good ! It was probably a molester on record or one just coming out of the closet , so sickening ...........this is why the Jessica Lundsford act in in play ,they get NO SECOND CHANCES .............Child molesters are never reformed and they need locked up for life ,they should never be out on the street again to prey upon these little victims !

~snipped~ !

ITA with you on this paratroll. They should be locked up forever.

Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, much the same way that homosexual people are attracted to persons of the same sex and heterosexual people are attracted to opposite sex persons.

Think about it this way....whichever your sexual preference....do you think it would be possible for you (collective you, not just you paratroll) to change that? I know that I am heterosexual. There's not a person or thing in the world that could change that. It's part of who I am. KWIM??

[kayemm]

I'm not saying that she's lying about anything. I'm saying that somebody might have gone into the kitchen, turned on the light, propped the door open for ventilation, left without remembering to close it or shut off the light, and Misty, not knowing someone had done that, never went back in there or noticed, just took the two kids and went into the bedroom to watch television until they fell asleep.

Just trying to make some logical sense of the cinder block issue, is what I'm doing.

I know we are all just trying to make sense of things but I don't know why both she and Haleighs dad would both say they had not seen the cinder block before and although I can see someone falling asleep not knowing a door was unlocked I'm sure they would notice if it was propped open, what kind of temperatures are about there are the moment? She did seem to be a pretty organised sounding 17 year old, washing Haleighs blanket etc

Washing machine or hand wash, did they have a dryer etc.

So many questions. :sad:

[kitty1182]

LE sure didn't go into details on that.

I wonder if something happen while her brother and nephews were there that day..

[crymeariver2006]

Going to re interview the family members..I wonder what evedence (sp) was took from the home....

Could be that they just want to verify some info that different family members were giving about other family members.

I also wonder what they took from the home.

Did anyone ever get any more info on the blanket washing?

[spiritwolf46]

Me too, I can't believe another child gone.:crying:

I am with you on that, sweetie! What a horrible world our kids live in these days.

I remember as a kid running the streets and playing until dark. Not a worry in the world. NOW? You can't even be peaceful knowing that your child is in bed for things happen so often!

I pray real hard all the time for our children today. :crying:

[?noanswer]

If they had failed the poly wouldnt they be interrogating them to death? i dont know, but i think they would be on them and fast. jmo


One would think if there was an inkling of suspicion, whether they passed the LD or not, they would question them mercilessly. I do not see either of these people capable of lying like Casey Anthony. I think they would break under intense questioning. But I guess anything is possible. JMO

[Casecase]

IIRC, someone on another board said that Chad Griffs was the son of Marie Griffs' current husband.

(Yes, that would make Chad Crystal's step brother).

Again, this was posted on another board.

I'm sorry, but that creeps me out a little bit . . . unless they were in a relationship BEFORE their parents got married and didn't know they were going to become step-relatives.


IMO

[crymeariver2006]

I am with you on that, sweetie! What a horrible world our kids live in these days.

I remember as a kid running the streets and playing until dark. Not a worry in the world. NOW? You can't even be peaceful knowing that your child is in bed for things happen so often!

I pray real hard all the time for our children today. :crying:

Yeah, as long as we were home before the street lights came on....

A totally different world than today, that's for sure.

[spiritwolf46]

respectfully snipped


This is a nightmare ...who takes little kids ?...... sickos and its never good ! It was probably a molester on record or one just coming out of the closet , so sickening ...........this is why the Jessica Lundsford act in in play ,they get NO SECOND CHANCES .............Child molesters are never reformed and they need locked up for life ,they should never be out on the street again to prey upon these little victims !


I mean whats the difference between the law then and now concerning child molesters ........why are the old ones grandfathered IN .....the law should be retroactive .....the old ones need locked up now .....they can not be trusted IMO , anyone who has ever molested a child has already shown they are sick , its been said they can never be reformed , the child molesters have said this themselves ,so they are always at risk to act again and that is too dangerous !

Oh ParaTroll! I could not agree with you more!!!! I am so sick of these pieces of s**t getting a slap on the wrist and sent back out in the world. It is not fair to little children all over the world. They have no means to protect themselves against these predators and our laws cannot seem to get together and protect them. My heart just aches for our children of today and all the sickness out there. :crying:

[WillowInFlight]

I am with you on that, sweetie! What a horrible world our kids live in these days.

I remember as a kid running the streets and playing until dark. Not a worry in the world. NOW? You can't even be peaceful knowing that your child is in bed for things happen so often!

I pray real hard all the time for our children today. :crying:
Spirit, I was thinking about that last night. we lived in a fear free world, My 18 year old was dropped off at friends yesterday and I told her, I expect call ins, I better not just hear from you when you get home. and she's 18 FGS.

[Rick777]

Did anyone see that the Sheriff doesn't know for "sure" that Haleigh was even at school on monday? Would that be hard to find out???

[sachae]

We don't. On Greta she asked them both what was said that made them think they passed the test, and Ron said "they said I passed" and Misty stumbled and bumbled but said that she too was told she passed. I don't think I have ever heard of people saying they passed a lie-detector test before the cops put it out there?

Is there a way that we can find out if they passed the test, and also what is it that they found in the trailer, is it a trailer that they live in?

So of you guys are really good at finding information for us here!!

Tks

[spiritwolf46]

Spirit, I was thinking about that last night. we lived in a fear free world, My 18 year old was dropped off at friends yesterday and I told her, I expect call ins, I better not just hear from you when you get home. and she's 18 FGS.


Ya know, Willow, that is good parenting! It seems that it does not matter how old they are now, does it? Look at that young lady that was taken from an apt. in Nevada. She was legally an adult.

You keep making sure that your kids check in! My kids are 31, 29 and 23 and every single one of them make sure that I am talked to at least once a day and my two sons are in Dallas! It is respect and the love of our children and that is a great thing to have! :wub:

[TennVol]

Did anyone see that the Sheriff doesn't know for "sure" that Haleigh was even at school on monday? Would that be hard to find out???


It would only take a call to the school to confirm it.

[linspar]

Did anyone see that the Sheriff doesn't know for "sure" that Haleigh was even at school on monday? Would that be hard to find out???

oh they know, for sure ...

[WillowInFlight]

Did anyone see that the Sheriff doesn't know for "sure" that Haleigh was even at school on monday? Would that be hard to find out???

I would think that would be the easiest thing to find out in this case.

[IlliniFan]

Did anyone see that the Sheriff doesn't know for "sure" that Haleigh was even at school on monday? Would that be hard to find out???

First thing most teachers do in the morning is take attendance. I would think it would be very easy to find out if she had gone to school that day.

[crymeariver2006]

Wishful thinking by my part that we are all wrong and she somehow wandered off and is lost in the woods...I know the rose colored glasses are on but one can hope.


Nothing wrong with that.

[JD1974]

I think this points to police not in total agreeance with what Ron and Misty are putting out there. Sheriff says "alot of misinformation being put out there".

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/20...234455366.html


More like the media putting it out there...anything and everything they hear from anyone.

[?noanswer]

Yep. And, I also think "Did you have anyone over at the house between 10pm and 3am" would be another one.


The gf said on tv last night that her brother and his 2 children came over around 5:00 PM and stayed about 30 min. Maybe one of those children unlocked the door. But that would really be a coincidence that a pervert would try the lock the same day a child had unlocked it. JMO

[camracrazy]

IIRC, someone on another board said that Chad Griffs was the son of Marie Griffs' current husband.

(Yes, that would make Chad Crystal's step brother).

Again, this was posted on another board.

I thought it might be something like that. While it's definately not something I could ever picture doing, one set of my great-great grandparents was step-brother and sister. I also have a cousin that married her step-brother. In both cases the parents didn't get married until the kids were pretty much grown so it's not like they were raised as brother and sister. Still not my cup of tea!

[Rick777]

The way I'm seeing this now is that Police think Ron and Misty did it, and they have some obvious story discrepencies they want to keep close in hopes Ron and Misty will lead them to Haleigh's body.

[WillowInFlight]

Ya know, Willow, that is good parenting! It seems that it does not matter how old they are now, does it? Look at that young lady that was taken from an apt. in Nevada. She was legally an adult.

You keep making sure that your kids check in! My kids are 31, 29 and 23 and every single one of them make sure that I am talked to at least once a day and my two sons are in Dallas! It is respect and the love of our children and that is a great thing to have! :wub:

I'm glad you said that, they think I'm a freak. LOL, we live a block from the ocean, I never let them go with out me, and balconies are a big NO NO, even at their age.

[WillowInFlight]

The way I'm seeing this now is that Police think Ron and Misty did it, and they have some obvious story discrepencies they want to keep close in hopes Ron and Misty will lead them to Haleigh's body.

Wouldn't that mean she would have had to been killed before Ron went to work?

[Rick777]

Wouldn't that mean she would have had to be killed before Ron went to work?

Well Ron says he picked Haleigh up from the bus after school monday, right? Well if she never went to school that day there was alot of time to formulate a plan.

[kayemm]

The way I'm seeing this now is that Police think Ron and Misty did it, and they have some obvious story discrepencies they want to keep close in hopes Ron and Misty will lead them to Haleigh's body.



You think? Possible, I tend to read it as though LE are reminding us that there is a load of nonsense being printed in the press, they don't want a circus, they absolutely do not want to end up with people camped out on site blaming the dad or the g/f, like what happened in the Caylee case, Misty is only 17 and so far there is no reason for us to be suspecting either of them of anything, of course what's going on behind LE closed doors we can only speculate about.

[jewel6]

The way I'm seeing this now is that Police think Ron and Misty did it, and they have some obvious story discrepencies they want to keep close in hopes Ron and Misty will lead them to Haleigh's body.

I really dont have that feeling at all! But i guess i could be wrong. Dad seemed pretty geniune to me. unlike casey or scott p . jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Well Ron says he picked Haleigh up from the bus after school monday, right? Well if she never went to school that day there was alot of time to formulate a plan.

I just hate to think of another parent killing their child. WHY?

[IlliniFan]

Can someone explain who Chad is again. For some reason I'm confused as to who is related to whom? I guess I'm slowww this morining..lol

tia

[Shotzie]

Has anyone seen these..they are great.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088

[jewel6]

Well Ron says he picked Haleigh up from the bus after school monday, right? Well if she never went to school that day there was alot of time to formulate a plan.

If ron killed her i dont think he would say his daughter went to school that day. That will be the first thing LE checks out. jmo

[JD1974]

Well Ron says he picked Haleigh up from the bus after school monday, right? Well if she never went to school that day there was alot of time to formulate a plan.

That is a pretty blatant lie and I think LE would be questioning them right now if it was true she didn't get off that bus. Only have to ask the driver.

[kayemm]

Can someone explain who Chad is again. For some reason I'm confused as to who is related to whom? I guess I'm slowww this morining..lol

tia


Chad is Haleighs mum's new boyfriend, father to their new baby Chloe.

[kitty1182]

Wouldn't that mean she would have had to been killed before Ron went to work?

Yes, or the day before....Nothing surprises me anymore...
I pray she is found safe, but I just don't have a good feeling about any of this..

[Rick777]

I just hate to think of another parent killing their child. WHY?


Well Ron sure seems to have anger issues.

[Shotzie]

Can someone explain who Chad is again. For some reason I'm confused as to who is related to whom? I guess I'm slowww this morining..lol

tia
Chad is the Bio mother's boyfriend

[Motomom]

You know from prior cases that the police do not like to put too much pressure on "a suspect" by calling them a suspect. It boxes a person in and then instigates them to lawyer up. They love to give their suspects plenty of rope to hang themselves with. I believe that the reason she had to take two poly's is because she may have been borderline "shows deception" and they wanted to fine tune that or press her for more. I do not think this 17 year old girl is being honest, I think her boyfriend has major anger issues and that someone is lying here. I can only hope that these law enforcement officials do not make the same mistakes as the ones involved with Casey Anthony, and just let them talk talk talk. Give them plenty of rope and get the truth out of them one way or another. Because someone is being deceiptful here and my money is on the teenager.

What makes you think he has anger issues January?

[VC2]

TY- doesn't look to be much of a backyard at all. IMO

which explains and gives credibility to the dad saying he hardly ever was in it and therefore may not have noticed a cinder block in the area, and that they didn't use the back yard

[ortiga]

You think? Possible, I tend to read it as though LE are reminding us that there is a load of nonsense being printed in the press, they don't want a circus, they absolutely do not want to end up with people camped out on site blaming the dad or the g/f, like what happened in the Caylee case, Misty is only 17 and so far there is no reason for us to be suspecting either of them of anything, of course what's going on behind LE closed doors we can only speculate about.


a welcome voice of reason.......

[WillowInFlight]

Well Ron sure seems to have anger issues.

Well in my best Cindy voice, Having anger issues doesn't make you a murderer.

[kate482000]

i know this sounds far-fetched but I just want to put it out there..Do any of you think this gf wanted to unload the burden of Haleigh and took a page out of Casey's book by claiming someone else took her?

[crymeariver2006]

Can someone explain who Chad is again. For some reason I'm confused as to who is related to whom? I guess I'm slowww this morining..lol

tia

Chad is the current boyfriend (fiance, live-in, what have you) of Haleigh's biological mother, Crystal Sheffield.

He is the son of Crystal's mother's current husband.

[Rick777]

I think that if you take out the self-proclaimed "we passed the Lie-detector tets"...

These are two really shadey people that have body language of something being amiss. (Looking down, coaching what to say, changing stories, and lack of knowing how far Haleigh was...4 feet or four inches.

[Shotzie]

After seeing George there making his statement..I just want to see him with the searchers..really searching

[IlliniFan]

thanks for the info on chad....

[Rick777]

Well in my best Cindy voice, Having anger issues doesn't make you a murderer.


*In my best GA voice* Don't hit me Cindy...Don't hit me!

[num1barb]

i know this sounds far-fetched but I just want to put it out there..Do any of you think this gf wanted to unload the burden of Haleigh and took a page out of Casey's book by claiming someone else took her?

I'm curious to know if misty is jealous of ron and haleigh's relationship. Is haleigh a daddy's girl?

[koawally]

Well they way Ron "coached" Misty on Greta last night, there's no doubt he strongarms her! That was so odd.

Ron had a white cotton gause bandage on the left side of his neck last night...anyone know what happened to him??

[kayemm]

Has anyone seen these..they are great.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22262344&event=690573&CategoryID=9088

Thanks for posting!

[Rick777]

i know this sounds far-fetched but I just want to put it out there..Do any of you think this gf wanted to unload the burden of Haleigh and took a page out of Casey's book by claiming someone else took her?

I don't see Misty as the killer. Too mousey. I do see her as part of the plan and cover-up though.

[WillowInFlight]

i know this sounds far-fetched but I just want to put it out there..Do any of you think this gf wanted to unload the burden of Haleigh and took a page out of Casey's book by claiming someone else took her?

Why not the boy? Was she jealous of something I wonder.

[kitty1182]

i know this sounds far-fetched but I just want to put it out there..Do any of you think this gf wanted to unload the burden of Haleigh and took a page out of Casey's book by claiming someone else took her?

Nothing is far fetched these days....It has also crossed my mind, and I hope it's not the case, another "fame and money" case...
MOO

[WillowInFlight]

I don't see Misty as the killer. Too mousey. I do see her as part of the plan and cover-up though.

Then given her apparent immature nature, she will crack if that is the case.

[jewel6]

I don't see Misty as the killer. Too mousey. I do see her as part of the plan and cover-up though.

They are definetley not rocket scientist. I think misty would have cracked by now. jmo