Feb. 12, # 2

[Dunlurken]

I see the other thread was closed. Here ya go. JMO.

[Jester]

I see the other thread was closed. Here ya go. JMO.

What's the general consensus on this one? Could it be the father and his girlfriend or is it a stranger abduction?

[jewel6]

I beleive its a stranger abduction. JMO

[Lynden1000]

I'm leaning towards stranger abduction too.

[nana2]

I think the young girlfriend accidently killed her and paniced

[playnice]

The gf story keeps changing.

[Balesha]

Why was a 17 year old left in charge of these children overnight? How old is the father?

[playnice]

Why was a 17 year old left in charge of these children overnight? How old is the father?

Older guy gets young woman. feels like a stud. :w00t:
I dont think the dad knows what happened but Im not so sure about the FF.

[Snoopy50]

Why was a 17 year old left in charge of these children overnight? How old is the father?
Mu hinky meter was going off when I heard the age of the bsbysitter, now that the story is changing, my hinky meter is off the charts. the father? No, I suspect not, the GF, that is where I am leaning.

[Kelly3820]

I don't like how LE hesitates when questions are asked about gf's story or the poly. I think dad has a solid alibi. But I hope they don't stick with one theory because you lose valuable time and never get it back if they put all their time in on theory of the case.

[lonetraveler]

Just posted on the other thread but will ask again: On Nancy Grace I noticed the video of Hayleigh's father and the girlfriend walking around smoking and the father had a bandage on his neck and the girlfriend had a bandage and maybe even a splint on her hand. Has this been mentioned by media or anyone?

[kellabeck]

The father has a solid alibi. Right now I am suspicious of the 17-yr-old GF with a mind open to stranger abduction.

But how could the child be stolen from the same bed as the one the GF was asleep in?

She seems tearful but no tears.

[marshmallow]

The father has a solid alibi. Right now I am suspicious of the 17-yr-old GF with a mind open to stranger abduction.

But how could the child be stolen from the same bed as the one the GF was asleep in?

She seems tearful but no tears.


having read the girlfriend's stories, I lean more toward her being involved than the father being involved. but I can also see it being a stranger abduction too. The fact that there's no sign or trail of this little girl scares me and it's been so long now.

[kellabeck]

I had forgotten that Misty delayed calling 911.

Also-- I note -- courtesy of video on JVM that Misty -- tearless Misty -- said "I loved that little girl like she was my own." Past tense.

Right now I am very suspicious of Misty.

[Beach~Tenant]

This is getting stranger by the hour!! while watching NG, nancy was talking to haleigh's mom and she told nancy that according to the father, haleigh has missed several days of school and that if she missed ONR MORE day, he was going to jail! did anyone hear that?? also, why does the gf keep changing her story of where haleigh was sleeping?? I have a bad feeling bout this.....:sad:

[Beach~Tenant]

I had forgotten that Misty delayed calling 911.

Also-- I note -- courtesy of video on JVM that Misty -- tearless Misty -- said "I loved that little girl like she was my own." Past tense.

Right now I am very suspicious of Misty.


YES, me too kellabeck!!

[playnice]

They need to call Yuri in to interrogate her. I bet he would break her.:biggrin:

[Rayosunshine]

This is getting stranger by the hour!! while watching NG, nancy was talking to haleigh's mom and she told nancy that according to the father, haleigh has missed several days of school and that if she missed ONR MORE day, he was going to jail! did anyone hear that?? also, why does the gf keep changing her story of where haleigh was sleeping?? I have a bad feeling bout this.....:sad:

I agree Beach, I have a bad feeling too. I think we are going to see alot of skeletons roll out of these people's closets.

Is it possible the girlfriend was out with friends and left the two children at home alone; returned to find the little girl missing??

Haleigh's grandfather is right on the money about the dead-bolted door not showing signs of forced entry. Either it was unlocked or someone had a key, or someone who went out for a while didn't have a key and left it unlocked. Why would the father be the one who locks the doors when leaving for work, why not the girlfriend? I figure if the dad works 8 hour shifts and gets off at 3 am, he was on the job at 6 pm - seems kind of early to deadbolt the doors??

The changing stories reminds me of another ongoing case.

[Rayosunshine]

They need to call Yuri in to interrogate her. I bet he would break her.:biggrin:

Maybe they should let Orange County take over. They sure have alot of experience not to mention they have heard it all.

[Beach~Tenant]

I agree Beach, I have a bad feeling too. I think we are going to see alot of skeletons roll out of these people's closets.

Is it possible the girlfriend was out with friends and left the two children at home alone; returned to find the little girl missing??

Haleigh's grandfather is right on the money about the dead-bolted door not showing signs of forced entry. Either it was unlocked or someone had a key, or someone who went out for a while didn't have a key and left it unlocked. Why would the father be the one who locks the doors when leaving for work, why not the girlfriend? I figure if the dad works 8 hour shifts and gets off at 3 am, he was on the job at 6 pm - seems kind of early to deadbolt the doors??
The changing stories reminds me of another ongoing case.

*Bolding mine* xcellent point!! The case reeks of so many things wrong already!!! Yes, it does sound alot like another case :mellow: hmmm...you dont think THEY took notes, do you?? :ohmy:

[Patriot]

What's the general consensus on this one? Could it be the father and his girlfriend or is it a stranger abduction?


Undecided. Was leaning towards stranger abduction yesterday but, after hearing and reading more about this family today am quickly starting to lean towards one or more of them being involved.

[Rayosunshine]

*Bolding mine* xcellent point!! The case reeks of so many things wrong already!!! Yes, it does sound alot like another case :mellow: hmmm...you dont think THEY took notes, do you?? :ohmy:

Maybe they did take notes, but the left out the part about LE's experience in these types of cases and that might bite them in the "you know what". This is just sickening.

[Rayosunshine]

Did anyone else hear NG call the dad's girlfriend a "dimwit"? I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

[HumblePie]

I had forgotten that Misty delayed calling 911.

Also-- I note -- courtesy of video on JVM that Misty -- tearless Misty -- said "I loved that little girl like she was my own." Past tense.

Right now I am very suspicious of Misty.

Me too but everyone seems "all over me" because of this. I'd like more facts. Until then, everyone is a suspect. Color me skeptical.

[Rayosunshine]

i would be willing to bet that LE will have this case figured out by 5pm tomorrow and someone close to the child is going to get nailed.

[Calla]

I was bothered by the GF closing her eyes when she talked on that interview (like Susan Smith did..which is when I knew she wasn't telling the truth). Then again, the GF did not know what the operator meant by 'numerical' ..had no idea the child's DOB even though "she loved her like her own", and had no idea on how much the child may weigh. Then again, I am good at judging weight but horrible at distances. So who knows.
The Father's behavior during the 911 call convinces me he knows nothing about what happened.

[3Monkeys]

Did anyone else hear NG call the dad's girlfriend a "dimwit"? I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

Why on earth do you think she would have said that?

[MidnightBlu]

I was bothered by the GF closing her eyes when she talked on that interview (like Susan Smith did..which is when I knew she wasn't telling the truth). Then again, the GF did not know what the operator meant by 'numerical' ..had no idea the child's DOB even though "she loved her like her own", and had no idea on how much the child may weigh. Then again, I am good at judging weight but horrible at distances. So who knows.
The Father's behavior during the 911 call convinces me he knows nothing about what happened.


I agree with everything that you posted. The GF is suspect but I believe the dad is innocent.

[Rayosunshine]

You have some good points but about the dad checking the locks I give him credit there, my husband does it before he leaves for work too. But I suspect Misty is not being honest.

Bratlings, hard to understand what would be and not be in this case. I think someone on NG commented how convenient it was that this particular trailer was picked and just happened to have a 5 year old girl inside that was taken without anyone seeing or hearing anything. I know it's like Jessica Lunsford (sorry to her if I spelled her name wrong). The deadbolt bothers me alot.

God, I sure hope LE goes through all homes and trailers in a 5 mile or more radius - I mean closets and attics and any place else. I would hate to think she might have a chance to survive and she was overlooked.

[Rayosunshine]

Why on earth do you think she would have said that?

I don't know, no other comments along those lines were made. Maybe it was what she was really feeling at the time.

[kellabeck]

Did anyone else hear NG call the dad's girlfriend a "dimwit"? I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

I heard guest Wendy Murphy call her a "nitwit."

[Calla]

Did anyone else hear NG call the dad's girlfriend a "dimwit"? I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

I took that as a generalization of 17 year olds not that specific one..but I'm a little out of it anyway..so:huh:

[Rayosunshine]

I heard guest Wendy Murphy call her a "nitwit."


Thanks kellabeck, I might have gotten who said it wrong - I was being pestered by a cat a very needy psychotic cat.

[msgatorslayer]

Did anyone else hear NG call the dad's girlfriend a "dimwit"? I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

Rather rude. Even for NG, lol.:laugh:

[MidnightBlu]

Rather rude. Even for NG, lol.:laugh:

NG didn't say it somone else did.

[msgatorslayer]

They could roll out their Command Center to replace the Putnam County Command Trailer.

I asked early and then got side tracked so I don't know if it was answered or even if anyone knows. Has CART went to the scene? Child Abduction Response Team.

I see multi agencies are involved. Including FBI. And TES for ground searches.

[MidnightBlu]

i heard Wendy Murphy call Misty a dimwit, but i thought i was watching JVM at the time...i only caught the first few minutes of NG...i'm going to watch her repeat in about 20 minutes

You are correct. It was on JVM and and Wendy was the one who said it.

[Calla]

I heard someone say the GF had been there for 4 months(maybe the bio mom said it). Wonder if they had been dating longer or she moved right in?
Another sad case I will try not to get obsessed with.

17 is too young for 25 yr old man...but that's jmo. I didn't think so when I was 17 :biggrin: but I do now

[Neffy]

Undecided. Was leaning towards stranger abduction yesterday but, after hearing and reading more about this family today am quickly starting to lean towards one or more of them being involved.

Undecided also. I don't expect a 17 year old to have alot of answers such as DOB's, weight of a child and most likely this accounts for NG's comment. Was/is she in school? (the girlfriend) At 17 most are.

[MidnightBlu]

I heard someone say the GF had been there for 4 months(maybe the bio mom said it). Wonder if they had been dating longer or she moved right in?
Another sad case I will try not to get obsessed with.

17 is too young for 25 yr old man...but that's jmo. I didn't think so when I was 17 :biggrin: but I do now


I was 17 3 years ago and I thought so. Any guy that didn't still have a "teen" on the end of his age was too old IMO and even 19 was pushing it. Of course this made my mom VERY happy lol.

[desmom]

I asked early and then got side tracked so I don't know if it was answered or even if anyone knows. Has CART went to the scene? Child Abduction Response Team.

I see multi agencies are involved. Including FBI. And TES for ground searches.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131175&catid=3

Florida High Patrol cruisers, a CART team truck, and an FDLE Mobile Command center are parked just outside Haleigh's home.

[8BellesFan]

on a news video that I watched earlier the GF said that Haleigh was not in the same bed as her and another child, but in her own bed. but it sounded like she said her own bed in front of the tv...

[MidnightBlu]

Idea- does th bio mom have a key to the backdoor? Do any other members of the family have a key to the deadbolt?

Very good questions but I am not sure that any of us have the answers.

[WillowInFlight]

I heard someone say the GF had been there for 4 months(maybe the bio mom said it). Wonder if they had been dating longer or she moved right in?
Another sad case I will try not to get obsessed with.

17 is too young for 25 yr old man...but that's jmo. I didn't think so when I was 17 :biggrin: but I do now

You know, I have to admit, my girls know I fell in love with their dad at 18 he was 32 and we were talking about this tonight, and my older daughter said. " so you wouldn't care if...... my 18 year old moved in with a 32 year old" and I did take a huge gasp. But I can't pick and choose who they fall in love with, all I can do is give guidance. IMO I see nothing wrong with a 17 year old and a 24. Saying that I thought we were getting off the age subject?

[PROPROS]

I don't know how old the dad is, but I used to babysit when I was 11.I've heard 24 and 25...Both young..BTW, is the little boy his bio son as well...I heard that they call him Jr.mo

[Calla]

You know, I have to admit, my girls know I fell in love with their dad at 18 he was 32 and we were talking about this tonight, and my older daughter said. " so you wouldn't care if...... my 18 year old moved in with a 32 year old" and I did take a huge gasp. But I can't pick and choose who they fall in love with, all I can do is give guidance. IMO I see nothing wrong with a 17 year of and a 24. Saying that I thought we were getting off the age subject?

I just got here for the first time in days & days...and did not know the age subject was off limits..sorry

edit to add: if she were 18 I wouldn't have thought twice..just jmo

[lonetraveler]

I agree Beach, I have a bad feeling too. I think we are going to see alot of skeletons roll out of these people's closets.

Is it possible the girlfriend was out with friends and left the two children at home alone; returned to find the little girl missing??

Haleigh's grandfather is right on the money about the dead-bolted door not showing signs of forced entry. Either it was unlocked or someone had a key, or someone who went out for a while didn't have a key and left it unlocked. Why would the father be the one who locks the doors when leaving for work, why not the girlfriend? I figure if the dad works 8 hour shifts and gets off at 3 am, he was on the job at 6 pm - seems kind of early to deadbolt the doors??

The changing stories reminds me of another ongoing case.


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All information is about the back door. What about the front door? Has the front door been addressed yet? It wouldn't do much good to deadbolt the back door only.

[MidnightBlu]

I've heard 24 and 25...Both young..BTW, is the little boy his bio son as well...I heard that they call him Jr.mo


Yes he is the bio father of the little boy as well. Both children are "full blooded" siblings.

[beetlebrow]

This is getting stranger by the hour!! while watching NG, nancy was talking to haleigh's mom and she told nancy that according to the father, haleigh has missed several days of school and that if she missed ONR MORE day, he was going to jail! did anyone hear that?? also, why does the gf keep changing her story of where haleigh was sleeping?? I have a bad feeling bout this.....:sad:

She has Turner syndrome. I think she gets sick alot.....during the custody hearing the father claimed that the biomom would not take Haleigh to her scheduled doctor appts.

[WillowInFlight]

I just got here for the first time in days & days...and did not know the age subject was off limits..sorry

edit to add: if she were 18 I wouldn't have thought twice..just jmo

So if her birthday was in say a week??? My point is, age doesn't define a person

[Calla]

I kind of like the fact that not alot is out there..like if someone was visiting right before ..blah blah blah.

IE:that the GF is not a suspect...

This case will be solved sooner rather than later imo

[PROPROS]

i'm trying to remember....how did Couey get into the Lunsford home?
IIrc, he cut a screen and then walked right in. Grabbed her and took her out by the hand..so he says. I used to know every detail of this case, however time and age has dulled my memory.mo

[WillowInFlight]

oooooh, the father is saying there was signs of a breakin?...hmmm

it's so early on in this investigation, there's no telling what the correct info is, ugh

I thought they said NO forced entry?

[beetlebrow]

Me too but everyone seems "all over me" because of this. I'd like more facts. Until then, everyone is a suspect. Color me skeptical.

Like I said at the end of the other thread IMO....Misty seems like she would need help just getting from point A to point B. I don't think she did this unless she had major help. Certainly not on her own.

[MidnightBlu]

I thought they said NO forced entry?

LE is saying no forced entry but the dad seems to think otherwise.

[Calla]

So if her birthday was in say a week??? My point is, age doesn't define a person

Understood...
I agree...
Don't care when her B-Day is.

I got married at 17.

I only stated my thoughts on the situation. I don't have any desire to get into a discussion trying to justify the thoughts I had about the situation.

Sorry again.

[WillowInFlight]

LE is saying no forced entry but the dad seems to think otherwise.

Thats not what he said on the 911 call.

[legalease]

Older guy gets young woman. feels like a stud. :w00t:
I dont think the dad knows what happened but Im not so sure about the FF.


What's an 'FF' ?? :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

Understood...
I agree...
Don't care when her B-Day is.

I got married at 17.

I only stated my thoughts on the situation. I don't have any desire to get into a discussion trying to justify the thoughts I had about the situation.

Sorry again.

Calla, you have always be respectful, No need. :smile:

[msgatorslayer]

IIrc, he cut a screen and then walked right in. Grabbed her and took her out by the hand..so he says. I used to know every detail of this case, however time and age has dulled my memory.mo

You're still sharp, Prop. Yes, that is what he did. He had a pocket knife on him. They're his words. However, the screen did have a slice in it. Backing up what he said.

[beetlebrow]

I am going with a secret visitor of the gf's that she let in- gf not involved but there is alot more to the story now that I know there was a screened in porch with the flimsy lock and a real exterior door with a deadbolt. Someone who knew that on the way out though they would be carrying a child and not have a hand free to open the door to get back out. IMO

screened in porch???

[MidnightBlu]

Thats not what he said on the 911 call.


What did he say on the 911 call...or do you have a link to it? I didn't hear it all...only that the gf didn't know the little girls bday and that the dad threatened to kill the person that took her (which is understandbale).

[playnice]

What's an 'FF' ?? :confused:

I meant GF.:blush:

[Calla]

Calla, you have always be respectful, No need. :smile:

I'm still being respectful. Sorry if you are interpreting what I am stating incorrectly.




I had no idea age was an off limits subject and I apologize again for touching on it.

[msgatorslayer]

I thought they said NO forced entry?

There could be discrepencies between what the Dad and LE consider forced entry.

If I came home and there was a brick propped up with my door wide open, it would lead me to believe that someone I didn't invite into my home had broken in, somehow.

[beetlebrow]

on a news video that I watched earlier the GF said that Haleigh was not in the same bed as her and another child, but in her own bed. but it sounded like she said her own bed in front of the tv...

Exactly.....the gf never said they were in the same bed...she said they were sleeping "next to" each other. So in that regard she has NOT changed her story.

I have not seen or read anything where she said she was in another room......anybody????

[PROPROS]

from what I remember Couey walked in the unlocked door. the screen cutting I believe was elizabeth smart abduction.
Could be...msgatorslayer will probably remember...she knows this case backwards and forwards...Still he got in that house,past the little dog and grandma and grandpa sleeping in the next room. We know these predators know no fear when they are preying and that is very scary.mo

[jerzeegirl]

from what I remember Couey walked in the unlocked door. the screen cutting I believe was elizabeth smart abduction.


screen cutting was trenton duckett

[jerry50]

I think the young girlfriend accidently killed her and paniced

I agree. I just saw the girlfriend on TV. She could be a double for Susan Smith.
The dad made me wonder after hearing the 911 call. For all he really knew his daughter could be hiding or went outside for whatever reason but he's telling the 911 operator that he would kill the person who took her.

When the girlfriend is talking with her eyes closed gives me the impression that she is trying to think about what she should say.

[jadite]

Could have came in another way- front door or open window and then went out the back. Came in turned on the kitchen light, open the exterior door, propped open the screen door - got the little girl and walked out. Cinder block could have come from the front yard- perp could have been there before and set the block near the back porch to plan for a return visit- yep just when I thought I was going to get my mind back , I see it flying by me again. LOL

If I was going to do something stoopid I don't think I would turn on the light.

[WillowInFlight]

What did he say on the 911 call...or do you have a link to it? I didn't hear it all...only that the gf didn't know the little girls bday and that the dad threatened to kill the person that took her (which is understandbale).

You are right about that, She did not know, and the father at that point wanted LE there then and there.

The father said there was NO forced entry, Misty asked and he clearly said NO

[legalease]

Why was a 17 year old left in charge of these children overnight? How old is the father?


Well .....

I wasn't anyone's girlfriend, however, I did many 'overnight' babysitting jobs for neighbours when I was much younger than 17 years old (my Mom called every few hours to check up of course). My point is - I don't think that a 17 year old is too young to care for young children overnight.

The fact that this particular 17 year old is the 'live-in girlfriend' who also referred to little Haleigh as 'our daughter' makes it a bit different.

[PROPROS]

You're still sharp, Prop. Yes, that is what he did. He had a pocket knife on him. They're his words. However, the screen did have a slice in it. Backing up what he said.Hi friend......I just posted that you would know...Unfortunately, you became an expert on these cases out of Florida. So sad...we are going down this road again.:sad:mo

[WillowInFlight]

Was there a computer in the house, wonder what kind of searches weredone 3 months ago.

Great question, but seeing they were new tenants do you think they could afford one?

[PROPROS]

Was there a computer in the house, wonder what kind of searches weredone 3 months ago.Are you sure your on the right thread Mr. Lucky!:laugh:mo

[beetlebrow]

Was there a computer in the house, wonder what kind of searches weredone 3 months ago.

I believe they said something about boil lancing.....but not sure....:w00t:

[emdragon]

screen cutting was trenton duckett

Screen was cut in Duckett- the bedroom window
Smart- the kitchen window
Lundsford- screen door

[Tia]

I wondered where you all where! I've been blabbing away on the old thread for a while now!!

Anyway..........I am watching the NG re-run, the story as to where everyone was sleeping has changed 3 times so far. What is up with that??!

[WillowInFlight]

Screen was cut in Duckett- the bedroom window
Smart- the kitchen window
Lundsford- screen door

So what a country side serial of our children, grandkid?

[lonetraveler]

Sorry folks, I took another look at the girlfriend's hand and saw that what I thought was a bandaged hand was actually a long white sleeve of a shirt she was wearing under her sweatshirt jacket. I should have put my contact lens in. Don't beat me too hard. I'll go back in my cave now...

[WillowInFlight]

I wondered where you all where! I've been blabbing away on the old thread for a while now!!

Anyway..........I am watching the NG re-run, the story as to where everyone was sleeping has changed 3 times so far. What is up with that??!

No wonder I have been missing half a brain.

[beetlebrow]

Yes- on NG you could see the view. This looks to be a decent home, I swear it is not the same one I seen last night but that is neither here nor there. There are concrete steps(3) to the back of the small screened in porch- this is where the screen door is and the one that was propped open IIRC. Then you would walk in (couldn't see it but my neighbors have the same thing) and get to the actual house door. imagining a regular exterior fiberglass mobile home door that is being said to have a deadbolt on it. Two doors not one.

wow did not know.....very observant....ty for info....:smile:

[~layla~]

can someone give me a brief 'take' on what the grandfather said about the deadbolt, please?......i'm still confused on how the person got IN the home.....seems it would have been obvious that the door had been tampered with, imo

You would be amazed at how many people have master keys to multiple lock systems.
(my ex has every one made) ... and at some jobs they dont have the most secure key-room.

[msgatorslayer]

I wouldn't either but gf said she noticed that the kitchen light was on- :confused:

I'm just now watching the NG repeat. The kitchen light was also turned on. Hmmm! That is bold.

On the flip side, breaking into a house in the middle of the night while you know people are inside is bold, in itself. Even more so if you know they have dogs. {Not in this case, but in others}

[kitty1182]

screened in porch???

There are some pics here.


http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=4

[~jomomma~]

uggghhhh!!!!! i can not stand listening to these people with their 'crying voice' and no tears!!!! hammer

[emdragon]

Didn't someone find a myspace page for the GF, it seems like everyone has a computer these days.

JMO

They found the mothers Myspace but i don't remember seeing one for the GF

[beetlebrow]

Are you serious or is this a joke? I'm too tired to interpret well tonight, lol.

It was in the first doc dump (for this case) :biggrin:

[Tia]

No wonder I have been missing half a brain.


Me too!!! :tongueside:

[omsk99]

*Bolding mine* xcellent point!! The case reeks of so many things wrong already!!! Yes, it does sound alot like another case :mellow: hmmm...you dont think THEY took notes, do you?? :ohmy:

Those are back doors tat are almost never used, so they could be locked for days or weeks without being opened.

[lonetraveler]

Dad said he checked to make sure it was deadbolted every day before leaving for work. So he's shot himself in the foot if he's going to later change his story to your hypothetical scenario.

Just like he shot himself in the foot by wavering on no damage to door v. yes, damage to door.

I'm sure g/f and dad both were asked many questions. I'm sure this is why LE is collecting evidence at the home also. The back door is paramount where info/evidence goes if the couple's story is to hold water.

Thing that jumps out at me is the g/f hits 911 the very minute dad arrives back home. according to them. Yet he claims to know everything about what she knew - even though he was at work all nite and didn't know of the crime. But he knew so many details. too many if you ask me.


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I'm still wondering why only one door is being talked about. The backdoor could be the way that a stranger left the home. It doesn't necessarily mean that he entered by that door. Was a deadbolt on the front door as well? I haven't seen anything about the front door.

[Casecase]

The gf story keeps changing.

I'm watching the Nancy Grace repeat. Nancy said she went back through all of the wire stories, the girlfriend never said that she was sleeping IN the same bed, she said she was sleeping next to her. Sleeping next to her could mean just that . . . maybe Haleighwas on a cot or on the floor next to her but not in bed with her.

The mother said that she heard three different stories, but when Nancy asked her, she couldn't remember who told her the different versions.

Doesn't sound to me like the girlfriend has changed stories, unless I'm missing something.

IMO

[~layla~]

Or maybe he just didn't want to pay child support. I have heard of more than a few people who sought custody for that reason.

Or maybe he was the best caregiver to the children??

[~jomomma~]

Sorry folks, I took another look at the girlfriend's hand and saw that what I thought was a bandaged hand was actually a long white sleeve of a shirt she was wearing under her sweatshirt jacket. I should have put my contact lens in. Don't beat me too hard. I'll go back in my cave now...

no problem. i just saw what you're talking about.

[beetlebrow]

Or maybe he just didn't want to pay child support. I have heard of more than a few people who sought custody for that reason.

?????? He has PRIMARY custody.....I think he pays plenty??? Do you think Misty makes support payments??

[Calla]

I just want to say that when I was 17 years old, I had no idea how much children weighed at different ages so this isn't a prob for me. I do agree, however, that something isn't ringing true with Misty.

But she also said she was 4 feet tall if I heard the 911 tape correctly. Of course she was interupted so not sure about that. Surely she knew that couldn't be right.

There is no telling what I might say in a situation like that ...

Just hope the little girl is okay. Somehow I think she isn't

[PROPROS]

Are you serious or is this a joke? I'm too tired to interpret well tonight, lol.
He (the father) has this big bandage on the back of his neck....I thought boil when I saw the bandage, only because I recently knew someone who had a boil lanced and they had the same kind of bandage.mo

[MidnightBlu]

Bio moms myspace for those interested.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

[Calla]

You could google but in some news reports it's said mom didn't show up for custody case at court. looks to me like a no-show would indicate lack of interest in custody on the part of the absent parent.

The bio mom also said the court summons was sent to a bogus address and that is why she missed the hearing

[legalease]

They need to call Yuri in to interrogate her. I bet he would break her.:biggrin:

He didn't break Casey ....
:confused:

(not trying to be a jerk and I think Yuri tried hard - but .....)

[beetlebrow]

According to NG dad & g/f changing their stories many times over, so far. What are we in, day 3?

It's in all older news reports. Anyone can track the changes. Sheriff's have been on fox and cnn news saying the opposite of what dad's claims are. Sheriff even stated emphatically to Greta last nite "...keep in mind.....this is what they've told us....we don't know for certain...."

I think LE suspects dad. based on what they've indicated. based on 911 calls. based on statements by dad to various media. he contradicts himself on at the very least a couple of issues.

I am coming very close to reporting you.........WHAT STORIES HAS THE GF CHANGED MANY TIMES??????? This is not true and I can prove it.......WHAT STORIES HAS THE GF CHANGED PLEASE ANSWER.....

[Beach~Tenant]

Sorry folks, I took another look at the girlfriend's hand and saw that what I thought was a bandaged hand was actually a long white sleeve of a shirt she was wearing under her sweatshirt jacket. I should have put my contact lens in. Don't beat me too hard. I'll go back in my cave now...


stay put lonetraveler, no need to crawl back into a cave :smile:

[~layla~]

He (the father) has this big bandage on the back of his neck....I thought boil when I saw the bandage, only because I recently knew someone who had a boil lanced and they had the same kind of bandage.mo

I think it could be when he is "mic'ed up" by news people.

[beetlebrow]

There are some pics here.


http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=4

Merci Beaucoup!!!

[PROPROS]

According to NG dad & g/f changing their stories many times over, so far. What are we in, day 3?

It's in all older news reports. Anyone can track the changes. Sheriff's have been on fox and cnn news saying the opposite of what dad's claims are. Sheriff even stated emphatically to Greta last nite "...keep in mind.....this is what they've told us....we don't know for certain...."

I think LE suspects dad. based on what they've indicated. based on 911 calls. based on statements by dad to various media. he contradicts himself on at the very least a couple of issues.
I wish LE would confirm one way or the other the results of those Poly's...I think that would give us a better idea of where this case is headed...Also, on NG tonight she asked if Haleigh was in school and who saw her that day prior to her disappearance.mo

[kitty1182]

He didn't break Casey ....
:confused:

(not trying to be a jerk and I think Yuri tried hard - but .....)

But Casey had a month....lol

[playnice]

He didn't break Casey ....
:confused:

(not trying to be a jerk and I think Yuri tried hard - but .....)

Casey is one hard nut. This girl doesnt seem that tough or even as bright (ugh) as Casey. I think she could easily get all tangled up if she tried lying like casey. (Casey had years of practice.)

[msgatorslayer]

Hi friend......I just posted that you would know...Unfortunately, you became an expert on these cases out of Florida. So sad...we are going down this road again.:sad:mo

:sad: And now 2 forums from Florida at the same time. At least Caylee has been found.

If this does end up being a stranger abduction and the worst has happened to Haleigh, it will be the 3rd girl abducted and murdered in the month of February in the past few years.

I've been thinking of Mark Lunsford since last weekend when the Florida State Fair started. Prior to that, it was Carlie Brucia during the Super Bowl.

[PROPROS]

You could google but in some news reports it's said mom didn't show up for custody case at court. looks to me like a no-show would indicate lack of interest in custody on the part of the absent parent.She said tonight on NG that she did not receive the papers(went to the wrong address) and thats why she didn't go..then said the judge took father's side...Haleigh story coming up on Greta now.mo

[beetlebrow]

there's already been a doc dump in this case:confused:

:scared: Help me Mr. Lucky!!!! You got me into this!!!! No doc dump just a joke.....which I will never try again lol

[beetlebrow]

Misty's not the mother of the children.....

eta...i'm confused now, LOL....nevermind, i'm staying out of this 'conversation' about custoday & all

Sorry I meant biomom.

[msgatorslayer]

:scared: Help me Mr. Lucky!!!! You got me into this!!!! No doc dump just a joke.....which I will never try again lol

{rolling santa}

LMAO:lol:

[beetlebrow]

Wow! We were just discussing that possibility earlier about the bandage on the neck.

:ohmy: I think this clinchs it!!!!!

[happy2bme]

Didn't someone find a myspace page for the GF, it seems like everyone has a computer these days.

JMO I had it when it first started I didn't save. I will get it again if you'd like.

[legalease]

The father has a solid alibi. Right now I am suspicious of the 17-yr-old GF with a mind open to stranger abduction.

But how could the child be stolen from the same bed as the one the GF was asleep in?

She seems tearful but no tears.

There's really nothing that suggests the young girlfriend did anything to Haleigh BUT your point about 'no tears' was something I also noticed - and it reminded me of SUSAN SMITH, when she was talking to the media... Both the GF and Susan Smith had the same element to their voices when they initially spoke about the abduction to the media - their voices seemed strained, forced and whiny.... and of course, no tears.... :ohmy:

IMO

[PROPROS]

:sad: And now 2 forums from Florida at the same time. At least Caylee has been found.

If this does end up being a stranger abduction and the worst has happened to Haleigh, it will be the 3rd girl abducted and murdered in the month of February in the past few years.

I've been thinking of Mark Lunsford since last weekend when the Florida State Fair started. Prior to that, it was Carlie Brucia during the Super Bowl.Yes, all of our little girls...I'll add Sarah Lunde to that list too...:rose:

[kitty1182]

There's really nothing that suggests the young girlfriend did anything to Haleigh BUT your point about 'no tears' was something I also noticed - and it reminded me of SUSAN SMITH, when she was talking to the media... Both the GF and Susan Smith had the same element to their voices when they initially spoke about the abduction to the media - their voices seemed strained, forced and whiny.... and of course, no tears.... :ohmy:

IMO

It was almost like watching SS all over again..imo

[happy2bme]

I thought so too because of the location of the bandage. VERY common location for boils and carbuncles.

Thanks Laveinia, now I have to lookup carbuncles.:glare:

[tomsgirl]

I have to say, I thought I was seeing and hearing a Susan Smith redo on the video tonight. Boy SS really screwed things up for a lot of true victims, didn't she? (Not to mention what else she did. :cursing:)

I posted on the other board before I realized it was the wrong one. Anyway, I seen lots of emotions on the girlfriends face but not one real tear. The daddy believes her sooooo. I cannot decide what I feel about this GF yet but she sure makes my hinky meter go crazy. I have never heard an official say that she passed the poly, only the daddy unless I missed something. I feel myself being sucked into this case just like another one in Florida recently!! jmo

[Jester]

Do we have any evidence of a stranger entering this home? No, we do not. - Pat Brown FBI profiler

I'm leaning towards a stranger abduction, but need more information. The part about Haleigh being in one bed and then the other bed doesn't work for me, because people don't forget where a child was last seen. I wonder if the police are stating that it's an abduction to give Misty a chance to relax and maybe trip up some more.

[CHICANA]

You could google but in some news reports it's said mom didn't show up for custody case at court. looks to me like a no-show would indicate lack of interest in custody on the part of the absent parent.


Mom said on NG that she wasn't informed of the first court date and that the notice was sent to a wrong address, she claimed it was a "bogus address". I wouldn't have believed this before, but since I've started researching family court cases, I've learned this is a common tactic. Since dad petitioned for custody, he or his attorney provided her address to the court. He guaranteed that he was granted temporary custody, it also made his story that she "missed" her daugher's appointments more credible.
Custody battles are ugly and the attorney's play dirty.

[happy2bme]

Casey is one hard nut. This girl doesnt seem that tough or even as bright (ugh) as Casey. I think she could easily get all tangled up if she tried lying like casey. (Casey had years of practice.)


Ummm no, she had a script :rolleyes:


Not meant toward your post.

[MidnightBlu]

This could be it

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159

I saw that too but I'm not so sure... The page is too blank.

[PROPROS]

That's what sends the terror through me Propros, through every Mom. I just keep hoping the BioMom or someone she knows took her out of spite, not to hurt her. Just praying she gets back home safe and sound. I just don't have a good feeling about this though.It's a bad world when a child is not even safe in their own home and bed...Look at Richard Allen Davis..another one that knew no fear...took that child right out of her home.mo

[Beach~Tenant]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

GF's myspace page

[msgatorslayer]

The bio Mom - reminds me of Jessie's Mom. Though she showed tears and cried alot.

I'm feeling bad for her. She is being asked questions that she can't answer. She is not there every day.

She does seem a bit disconnected from what is going on. Pretty flat. No emotion.

[omsk99]

Or maybe he just didn't want to pay child support. I have heard of more than a few people who sought custody for that reason.

Per mother's account, he toko children, then applieed for temporary custody. She missed a court date for the hearing (she said ithe notification was sent to a bogus address) so he got full custody and she got visitation rights. He also said tat she had a drug problem and was unemployed at the tim e, so the courts said it was in the chidlren's best interests to live with the father.

[beetlebrow]

There's really nothing that suggests the young girlfriend did anything to Haleigh BUT your point about 'no tears' was something I also noticed - and it reminded me of SUSAN SMITH, when she was talking to the media... Both the GF and Susan Smith had the same element to their voices when they initially spoke about the abduction to the media - their voices seemed strained, forced and whiny.... and of course, no tears.... :ohmy:

IMO

They were both crying last night....IMO they are completely exhausted and have cried themselves out.....they really do look like they have been run over by a truck!

[MidnightBlu]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

GF's myspace page

This is the bio mom not the gf.

[Elle]

This could be it

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159

If you go into her pictures she has 2, clicking on the one where she is standing and enlarging it shows IMO that it is clearly her.

[MidnightBlu]

yeah, that's her....when you enlarge the picture, you can tell it's Misty

Wonder why she lied about her age?

[~jomomma~]

Greta is chewingup the Girl Friend

JMO

did you notice Ron covered his mic and told her to look at the camera?

she said she was.

then...when asked about the distance between her and haleigh...she said 4"

:bored:

[beetlebrow]

Thanks Laveinia, now I have to lookup carbuncles.:glare:

Phew....now I don't have to ask :thumbsup:

[Casecase]

I posted on the other board before I realized it was the wrong one. Anyway, I seen lots of emotions on the girlfriends face but not one real tear. The daddy believes her sooooo. I cannot decide what I feel about this GF yet but she sure makes my hinky meter go crazy. I have never heard an official say that she passed the poly, only the daddy unless I missed something. I feel myself being sucked into this case just like another one in Florida recently!! jmo

I've noticed the same thing with the mother, too, though. I've been watching her on Nancy Grace and haven't seen a whole lot of emotion from her, either. She also doesn't seem to have a lot of answers - doesn't know why she was missing school, doesn't know if she's sick - then says she is sick a lot - doesn't know if she was in school that day. I'm skeptical of the story about how he got custody because if he hadn't returned the children from visitation, that's custodial interference or parental kidnapping . . . why wouldn't she have gone to the police, filed charges against him, got the kids back??

IMO

[happy2bme]

If you go into her pictures she has 2, clicking on the one where she is standing and enlarging it shows IMO that it is clearly her.


That is the right one for the gf.

[beetlebrow]

Oops! Sorry. Carbuncles are like a collection of boils. Like a multi-headed boil. Same animal just more of 'em.

OH LORDY!!!! :tongue:

[happy2bme]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

GF's myspace page


This is the mom. She has changed it since when this baby went missing. If she was smart she would block it. jmo

[PROPROS]

Woman reporter telling NG audience police are telling them there is no signs of forced entry to the home whatsoever.On Greta GF goes to the bathroom,comes out and Haleigh is gone...Do we know how long she was in the bathroom...It would seem that there would not be enough time for someone to break-in get child and leave...However, if she was in the bathroom showering or bathing then yes it could happen.mo

[openminded]

What's the general consensus on this one? Could it be the father and his girlfriend or is it a stranger abduction?

I'll stick with my initial statement which is until LE rules out the father and girlfriend, I'm not ruling them out either. (If they've been ruled out since I've been off the computer then I'm ready to look at someone else but not until then.)

[omsk99]

Per mother's account, he toko children, then applieed for temporary custody. She missed a court date for the hearing (she said ithe notification was sent to a bogus address) so he got full custody and she got visitation rights. He also said tat she had a drug problem and was unemployed at the tim e, so the courts said it was in the chidlren's best interests to live with the father.


Sorry to quote myself, just wanted to apologize for so many typos! The spell-check wasn't on and I typed it too fast :blushing:

[legalease]

Idea- does th bio mom have a key to the backdoor? Do any other members of the family have a key to the deadbolt?

Haven't read the entire thread so don't know if this has been answered...

BUT....

I'm watching rerun of NG and the Bio-Mom states emphatically that the back door had a DEADBOLT and someone else said it was too high for Haleigh to reach ... my understanding is that the deadbolted door is on the back porch and it leads to the outside, yet there is also an inner door with a flimsy lock that leads directly into the trailer - so two doors for an abductor to go through ??????

[Jester]

I'll stick with my initial statement which is until LE rules out the father and girlfriend, I'm not ruling them out either. (If they've been ruled out since I've been off the computer then I'm ready to look at someone else but not until then.)

I get the feeling that Misty may not have passed the polygraph, so they gave it to her again. It could be nerves, but it could be that something happened. She doesn't really look strong enough to carry a cinder block, but hard to say.

[~jomomma~]

This is the mom. She has changed it since when this baby went missing. If she was smart she would block it. jmo

man, this is the 3rd time tonight i try to view this myspace page and it just locks up. when i go to close it all my browsers close.

so...i'm gonna close it now and go to bed.

night all!

[PROPROS]

Do you think the bio-Mom is involved in this crime? I'm pretty sure her alibi of being at her home abt 100 miles away has been checked out by now wouldn't you imagine?I don't get the feeling she is involved...Guess no one can be ruled in or out until they know more...Just heard they have not released the results of the Poly...I'm trying to think back to other cases and how quickly people were ruled out by Poly.mo

[happy2bme]

i was thinking the same thing with all the BS on it...dang!

No kidding. Gosh forbid anything happen to one of our children, hubby or me and see what all I have googled from watching cases.:ohmy:

I don't know what to think about anything I read anymore. In other words....I am no longer surprised. THAT IS WHAT IS SAD & SCARY.jmo

[beetlebrow]

She seems way more suspicious to me than Dad or GF, that's for sure. He didn't "win" those kids, he didn't get custody by "stealing" them, the courts decided he was more stable (financially, emotionally, etc) of the two. This had nothing to do with lawyers. Courts decide custody on STABILITY of the home, the parent. Period. It's ridiculous to suggest that lawyers can manipulate a judge, AND court-appointed professionals IMO. The BioMom has issues, that's obvious. She seems completely out of it, maybe drug-addicted. Is she involved? I don't think so at this point. I think this is another horror like Jessie Lunsford, Polly Klaas, Elizabeth Smart (thank God she made it home though).

ITA....and every second....every minute.....she gets farther away :crying:

[kitty1182]

yeah, that's her....when you enlarge the picture, you can tell it's Misty

That's her, but she lied, she's not 19..lol
I see she has logged on today....

[beetlebrow]

man, this is the 3rd time tonight i try to view this myspace page and it just locks up. when i go to close it all my browsers close.

so...i'm gonna close it now and go to bed.

night all!

nite mama!!

[CHICANA]

I've noticed the same thing with the mother, too, though. I've been watching her on Nancy Grace and haven't seen a whole lot of emotion from her, either. She also doesn't seem to have a lot of answers - doesn't know why she was missing school, doesn't know if she's sick - then says she is sick a lot - doesn't know if she was in school that day. I'm skeptical of the story about how he got custody because if he hadn't returned the children from visitation, that's custodial interference or parental kidnapping . . . why wouldn't she have gone to the police, filed charges against him, got the kids back??

IMO

They might not have had a custody order at that time, so whoever had the kids had custody. She had physical custody, she let them go with dad and he went behind her back and got custody. Selfish.

[playnice]

yeah, that's her....when you enlarge the picture, you can tell it's Misty

It lists 3 children. Chloe 9 mo.avent heard her on the news. Where was she?

[Casecase]

Do you think the bio-Mom is involved in this crime? I'm pretty sure her alibi of being at her home abt 100 miles away has been checked out by now wouldn't you imagine?

No, I really don't think she is . . . but she could be. She wouldn't have to personally be there to be involved. I would expect LE to check both her and the father's alibis.

My point wasn't really so much about that, though, as to point out that it's a double standard to hold the girlfriend to the "no real tears" when Haleigh's own mother hasn't been showing any, either. Or holding the girlfriend to the "doesn't know how much the child weighs" standard when the mother didn't know why the child had been missing school or if she had been sick - but then changed that and said yes, she gets sick.

IMO

[jadite]

I've noticed the same thing with the mother, too, though. I've been watching her on Nancy Grace and haven't seen a whole lot of emotion from her, either. She also doesn't seem to have a lot of answers - doesn't know why she was missing school, doesn't know if she's sick - then says she is sick a lot - doesn't know if she was in school that day. I'm skeptical of the story about how he got custody because if he hadn't returned the children from visitation, that's custodial interference or parental kidnapping . . . why wouldn't she have gone to the police, filed charges against him, got the kids back??

IMO

If they weren't married and there was no parenting plan upon separating than the parent that had them last could legally keep them untill a judge decided otherwise. In my great state of wa. if a young child is in one home more than 21 days the judge hates to change a home on them.

[emdragon]

This could be it

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=412920159

Thanks, not much to it and no activity since Sept.

[CANDYKISSES]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

GF's myspace page


NO, that is the bIO MOM.

[beetlebrow]

Ok, so I'm tuning in really late here but as I'm skimming and speed reading I came across this post by Zeus and since the thread was closed I just copied it onto here.

When I first read this post I had to really sit back in my computer chair and rock on it for a bit. This is a profound idea actually. I thought back on a few times when I have snuck INTO or OUT OF a building for whatever reason. Case in point hotels that have those digital 'keys'. A few years back I was at a hotel blah blah and the key didn't work at the side door so we used a small rock in the door to go out to the car and back.

As I say, thinking back on anytime I was sneaking around the ONLY time I have ever used something to prop a door open is when I was sneaking OUT with the intention of coming back IN. I can't recall a single time I have ever propped the door open to sneak IN with the intention of going OUT.

This brings me right back to Zeus' idea here. This girlfriend is only 17 and as another poster was mentioning, she may well have snuck out...knows she has until at least 3 am before the 'old man' comes home from work and she's doing whatever....

She herself may not have anything to do with the actual abduction of this girl but...I would really be leaning on her to give up the information on her circle of friends.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that whoever took this little girl MOST LIKELY is within walking distance of this house or has contact with the family enough to know about her.

There are exceptions to every case and as these cases unfold it seems that each time we think we have the criminal mind 'figured out' we are surprised yet again at how they go completely against the supposed profile. I guess Duncan would be the first to come to mind there, he wasn't living anywhere near the Groene's but stalked the house knowing children lived there.

Excellent idea Zeus!





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Quote from Zeus:
Here's another thought that has crossed my mind: Maybe the Girlfriend
wasn't there when Haleigh was abducted. It appears that someone left that door unlocked and since it couldn't have been one of the children---it had to be her (Unless it was indeed broken open with a crow bar). She may have put the children to bed at 8pm and then left, through the back door, to visit friends or neighbors. She knew her boyfriend would be home shortly after 3am so went home at 3am and discovered Haleigh missing. Just a thought.

IMO she has already admitted to the police that she forgot to lock the door or she went out and left the door unlocked. I think she is very afraid to tell the dad.

[~jomomma~]

k...i am leaving but did anyone see the bio mom's fiance's short interview?

i would think they've both got alibi's?

[happy2bme]

It lists 3 children. Chloe 9 mo.avent heard her on the news. Where was she?

That is her child by someone else...maybe her fiancee? IIRC that child is butterbean before she changed it.

[kitty1182]

IMO she has already admitted to the police that she forgot to lock the door or she went out and left the door unlocked. I think she is very afraid to tell the dad.

I think this is the case in a nutshell!! :wink:

[beetlebrow]

You clearly know nothing about the process! If mom didnt show up he would win by default and it would have absolutely nothing to do with the better home environment or better parent! She filed an appeal to reconsider and it was denied. Maybe the judge declined simply because he didnt want the childrens lives being disrupted again by another move so fast. We do not know if she even got a hearing on that! You are ridiculous with your many assumptions! You need to start backing this up with links otherwise I will start reporting it!

NO....you are wrong.....she said that when they did go to court AFTER SHE did not show up.....the court would not listen to her and was "completely on her husbands side". She said this on NG tonite....

[beetlebrow]

I think this is the case in a nutshell!! :wink:

I hope people remember that there is a big difference between leaving a door unlocked and kidnapping a 5 yr old!! :sad:

[Pag Boi]

This is the mom. She has changed it since when this baby went missing. If she was smart she would block it. jmo

Sounds like a real sweatheart Taking such good care of her baby girl Chloe & "the other brats."

[happy2bme]

Good night my poster friends! Pray this baby is found safe!:rose:

[CHICANA]

Behind her back? It doesn't work that way. She is free to petition the court at ANY time, as MANY times as she wants to get custody. She doesn't have custody for ONE reason: the courts made the decision those kids are better off with the Dad. It's really that simple. Nothing selfish, sinister, manipulative or illegal about it.

Umm yeah, they're better off. Where's Haleigh again ?
Is this what you call better off ?
I think the courts were wrong.

[legalease]

I think this may be an earlier interview. Lots of tears. She looks almost too exhausted to cry in the one I saw her in later.


Click about half way down this page

http://bradentonsarasota.com/content/video-misty-croslin-describes-finding-haleigh-cummings-missing-raw-interview

Thanks for the link rhiannon!

Young GF certainly comes across as traumatized in this vid - and as another poster also mentioned, perhaps in subsequent media interviews she was just exhausted and all cried out, and that's why there was no tears and a strained voice .... I really hope she had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

[happy2bme]

Sounds like a real sweatheart Taking such good care of her baby girl Chloe & "the other brats."


Yep. Maybe she didn't mean anything by that but who knows? It sure doesn't sound good, especially since she didn't have custody of those "brats".jmo.

[VC2]

I have to say, I thought I was seeing and hearing a Susan Smith redo on the video tonight. Boy SS really screwed things up for a lot of true victims, didn't she? (Not to mention what else she did. :cursing:)

The reason everyone is seeing susan smith is that Misty looks very much like her in facial features and with her hair as it was. Which is really unfortunate for her

I saw the same thing and im the last one who normally jumps to compare someone to a monster like SS then realized i actually did think i was seeing her, it was physical more than the words or affect.

imo

[emdragon]

oh, i didn't notice she logged in today....

eta...& yeah, i noticed the age thing though, lol

It looks like 9/11/2008 to me.

[MidnightBlu]

Sounds like a real sweatheart Taking such good care of her baby girl Chloe & "the other brats."

I saw that too and it really struck a nerve.

[Kelly3820]

Greta said at the end when asking Misty about the poly....if she passed or I don't know I am saying it right no deception or something like that. I think the father is cleared and I feel that way with the LE actions. I think Misty LE has some doubts. I don't think Misty passed but I don't think that she totally flunked. Before I say this last interview tonight I was really leading towards Misty. I don't know now. I think she miss uses words like inches and feet. She looks real sedated to me and most likely has not slept. But I really sense LE is really looking at her hard. But as of right now I am leaning towards stranger abduction. I was really convinced Mark Lundsford was guilty more than I am right now thinking Misty is guilty. Poor Mark was NOT guilty and I felt so bad thinking he was. I think he was spot on tonight I believe he was on NG when he said everything is flying around with all the accusations. We need to take a step back and wait for facts. I just want this little girl found.

[CHICANA]

Sounds like a real sweatheart Taking such good care of her baby girl Chloe & "the other brats."

Yeah, and dad speaks so eloquently and sleeps with minors.

[beetlebrow]

Umm yeah, they're better off. Where's Haleigh again ?
Is this what you call better off ?
I think the courts were wrong.

You must have missed the interview with biomom on NG.

[Kelly3820]

I remember last night when Greta asked the mom what kind of relationship Haleigh had with Misty and she said that Haleigh loved her and Haleigh said that Misty was nice to her and her brother.

[5boxersmom]

Legal question. Since the GF is only 17 does she have the right to request a parent be with her during the questioning and LDT?

[boo]

I am so far behind that this has probably been mentioned by now. What is with these "mothers" referring to their children as "snotheads" and "brats".

According to the bio mother's MySpace page, she says "taking care of my baby girl chloe and the other brats".

Am I missing out on something here? I never refer to my children as any of these things. :mad:

[TaraCrazyHair]

At work we watched the PC with the dad and GF and almost unanimously everyone stated the stated the same thing ...

The GF was was not expressing fear ... looked like she was faking her emotion

I will watch this closer and try not to pass instant judgment but this will not end well

Something is not right ... and hopefully it is not another case of child neglect/abuse turned deadly

:crying:

[KittyMom]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/Haleigh.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/Haleigh2.jpg

pulled from bio mom's myspace

[VC2]

i have no idea, but that's what was said....ronald said the beds are about 4 ft apart in the room...

that's why the GF said Haleigh was "next to" her....they sleep in the same room, but not necessarily the same bed...more than one bed in the room

You just have to watch Supernanny to understand that one. I have been stunned at the number of parents who have the kids sleeping in their beds or their rooms with them at ages like 5 or 6 or 7 even. Others who give the kids their own rooms but then get in at bedtime with them to sleep bc otherwise they wont fall asleep. Some with two or 3 beds in the room Its the single biggest thing i have seen in all the shows. (and of course the parents are sure the little ones won't go to sleep or stay asleep if on their own).

it really is pretty common shockingly enough. Personally i would go mad sleeping with the kids in the bed all the time or even in the room.

[Kelly3820]

she says she didn't notice Haleigh being gone, until she got up to go pee, & saw the kitchen light on & the door open...THEN she went back to the room to find Haleigh gone...i'm not sure if she actually made it to the bathroom, at that point....that's how i understood her anyway

I actually thought Misty said that she did not make it to the bathroom.

[emdragon]

I am so far behind that this has probably been mentioned by now. What is with these "mothers" referring to their children as "snotheads" and "brats".

According to the bio mother's MySpace page, she says "taking care of my baby girl chloe and the other brats".

Am I missing out on something here? I never refer to my children as any of these things. :mad:

Oh I called mine brats all the time- in a playfully loving way. It isn't so much the word you use as it is the tone and the context.

[beetlebrow]

Legal question. Since the GF is only 17 does she have the right to request a parent be with her during the questioning and LDT?

Yes I believe that she does....why?

[camracrazy]

Does anyone know if Haleigh had some kind of medical condition? In her pictures her left eye seems to droop and the left side of her mouth, also. Just wondering.

I saw the dad and GF on Greta tonight. It seems like he was really nervous about some of her answers and got stiff and turned or leaned towards her a few times, like he was trying to cue her. I also noticed on another interview of the GF (I don't remember what show) she didn't look directly into the camera and in fact looked like she had her eyes shut most of the time. The first thing reminded me how Cindy Anthony is towards George during interviews, the second thing reminded me of Susan Smith when she was on TV "pleading" for the return of her kids. I think she knows more than she is telling.

IMHO

[beetlebrow]

At work we watched the PC with the dad and GF and almost unanimously everyone stated the stated the same thing ...

The GF was was not expressing fear ... looked like she was faking her emotion

I will watch this closer and try not to pass instant judgment but this will not end well

Something is not right ... and hopefully it is not another case of child neglect/abuse turned deadly

:crying:


Have you watched their other interviews?? From yesterday??

[Pag Boi]

Wonder why she lied about her age?

She also says she is single.

[MidnightBlu]

Hey PagBoi! :wub: Someone said something about that earlier and I asked if the GF referred to them as brats and she didn't answer. I'm assuming by your post that she DID refer to the kids as brats? :ohmy:

It was the bio mom that called the kids brats (only the 2 with Cummings mind you- the other one was just Chloe).

[TaraCrazyHair]

Have you watched their other interviews?? From yesterday??


No .. just what CNN had on

[beetlebrow]

she says she didn't notice Haleigh being gone, until she got up to go pee, & saw the kitchen light on & the door open...THEN she went back to the room to find Haleigh gone...i'm not sure if she actually made it to the bathroom, at that point....that's how i understood her anyway

so maybe the bathroom is between the bedroom and kitchen?

[Mayasmimi]

At work we watched the PC with the dad and GF and almost unanimously everyone stated the stated the same thing ...

The GF was was not expressing fear ... looked like she was faking her emotion

I will watch this closer and try not to pass instant judgment but this will not end well

Something is not right ... and hopefully it is not another case of child neglect/abuse turned deadly

:crying:


Haven't read back, but she reminds me of Susan Smith. Same kind of look/expression. IMO.

[legalease]

IMO she has already admitted to the police that she forgot to lock the door or she went out and left the door unlocked. I think she is very afraid to tell the dad.

That makes so much sense ... you can kinda get a bit of that 'fear' vibe from her even on the 911 tapes - she's SO UNFOCUSED by the Dad's reaction to the point that she isn't tuned into the dispatcher's important questions at all ... just so much more perturbed by the Dad in the home rather than giving good info to the police - although the Dad was even worse - which made me wonder if he was already angry about the fact that GF may have been responsible for leaving the deadbolt unlocked .... 911 call is so odd...

[5boxersmom]

Yes I believe that she does....why?

Just curious. I mean since LE is dealing with a minor here I was wondering how careful they have to be with everything.

[Pag Boi]

Does anyone know if Haleigh had some kind of medical condition? In her pictures her left eye seems to droop and the left side of her mouth, also. Just wondering.

I saw the dad and GF on Greta tonight. It seems like he was really nervous about some of her answers and got stiff and turned or leaned towards her a few times, like he was trying to cue her. I also noticed on another interview of the GF (I don't remember what show) she didn't look directly into the camera and in fact looked like she had her eyes shut most of the time. The first thing reminded me how Cindy Anthony is towards George during interviews, the second thing reminded me of Susan Smith when she was on TV "pleading" for the return of her kids. I think she knows more than she is telling.

IMHO


I read somewhere that the custody papers mention Haleigh has Turner's Syndrome. I have no link so this is JMOO

[CHICANA]

Actually I do know about the process because I lived it. And you're "assuming" a judge denied her appeal to not disrupt the children's lives. I happen to know for a fact the family courts do NOT work that way when it comes to custody. The issue is re-visited each and every time a motion is filed. You're asking for links now? Pages and pages later? I'm speaking from personal experience, stated it clearly on the last thread. I can't post links from a personal experience!! You have been stating over and over that Misty was the caretaker of these children for 60 hours per week with no link. Shall I report YOU?!

I didn't hear any assumptions on the other poster's part, just a possibility. We'll never know though because unlike the rest of the judicial system, family court records are closed.
I have personal experience too, and the family court can do whatever they want. There are no checks and balances like in real court. It sounds like you won, therefore you think the courts always makes the right decisions.
Haleigh's probably dead, probably at the hands of a pedophile and likely because of negligence on the part of dad's teen gf.
I don't think this was in Haleigh's best interests.

[emdragon]

Not in my case. I see hints of Susan Smith because of the appearance of crying with no tears, because of the failing too look up at the camera, because she spoke in past tense of the missing child, and used the word "your daughter, and your back door is open" when talking to the boyfriend. She lived there, it was her backdoor and according to her those kids thought of her as a mom and she loved them as such. I have never referred to my children or my back door as "yours" when speaking to my husband. To me it has nothing at all to do with her appearance. Now that you mention it, I still dont see the resemblance. Susan Smith had curly hair, wore glasses, and had a much fuller face.

So some people have problems with the mother and her affect and personality- I still haven't seen a tear from her and her family has hit the talk shows throwing mud at the father.

You have a problem with the Girlfriend for your own reasons and that's fine but why is it you have to treat those who disagree with you so disrespectfully?

[Kelly3820]

Does anyone know if Haleigh had some kind of medical condition? In her pictures her left eye seems to droop and the left side of her mouth, also. Just wondering.

I saw the dad and GF on Greta tonight. It seems like he was really nervous about some of her answers and got stiff and turned or leaned towards her a few times, like he was trying to cue her. I also noticed on another interview of the GF (I don't remember what show) she didn't look directly into the camera and in fact looked like she had her eyes shut most of the time. The first thing reminded me how Cindy Anthony is towards George during interviews, the second thing reminded me of Susan Smith when she was on TV "pleading" for the return of her kids. I think she knows more than she is telling.

IMHO



I think he was upset cause she was mixing up words saying inches instead of feet and things like that. I don't think Misty realizes that by doing that she is changing her story. Either being to young, sedated, or just exhausted. But in my gut I don't think she did it. Now earlier today I was sure the gf was involved. IMO I don't think she would have lasted this long before LE broke her down if she was guilty.

[boo]

Yes, she has Turner's syndrome.

Wow, I didn't know that. I lost a daughter to Turner's syndrome many years ago and all I really remember was that it was chromosomal and that my daughter wouldn't have lived very long and she would have been "little". I was too devastated to follow up on the disease at the time, but it is a horrible thing from what I do remember.

[kitty1182]

It looks like 9/11/2008 to me.

LOL..I told you I was getting old and can't see well anymore..

[Tia]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/Haleigh.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/Haleigh2.jpg

pulled from bio mom's myspace


I don't mean to sound cruel, but is something wrong with Haleigh? She doesn't look "right". Maybe its just the pics?

[openminded]

You just have to watch Supernanny to understand that one. I have been stunned at the number of parents who have the kids sleeping in their beds or their rooms with them at ages like 5 or 6 or 7 even. Others who give the kids their own rooms but then get in at bedtime with them to sleep bc otherwise they wont fall asleep. Some with two or 3 beds in the room Its the single biggest thing i have seen in all the shows. (and of course the parents are sure the little ones won't go to sleep or stay asleep if on their own).

it really is pretty common shockingly enough. Personally i would go mad sleeping with the kids in the bed all the time or even in the room.

Is that the "family bed" concept that became trendy in the '90's or something? At what point, I wonder, do the children sleep in their own room? Perhaps when they are teenagers?

[beetlebrow]

That makes so much sense ... you can kinda get a bit of that 'fear' vibe from her even on the 911 tapes - she's SO UNFOCUSED by the Dad's reaction to the point that she isn't tuned into the dispatcher's important questions at all ... just so much more perturbed by the Dad in the home rather than giving good info to the police - although the Dad was even worse - which made me wonder if he was already angry about the fact that GF may have been responsible for leaving the deadbolt unlocked .... 911 call is so odd...

IMO the dad seems very controlling and quick to anger.......wait a minute that reminds me of someone........hmmmmm.......racking my brain here....oh well its gone :biggrin:

[legalease]

SNIP

I'm not sure dad's verbal tirade didn't frighten g/f more than anything during the 911 call.

I'm with ya on that (Dad's 911 tirade)!

[emdragon]

That is called co-sleeping. I honestly do not see anything wrong with it at all. But assuming I had step children I do not think I would feel it was appropriate to co-sleep with them.

I've always heard of it referred to as "The Family Bed" My MIL and his wife did it.

I find no problem with a kid climbing into bed if they get scared but think they need their own room and bed- they need to learn how to self sooth and parents need their own alone time.

[beetlebrow]

Just curious. I mean since LE is dealing with a minor here I was wondering how careful they have to be with everything.

Yes I agree it would make a difference...guess we will find out...

[kitty1182]

Originally Posted by PROPROS

On Greta GF goes to the bathroom,comes out and Haleigh is gone...Do we know how long she was in the bathroom...It would seem that there would not be enough time for someone to break-in get child and leave...However, if she was in the bathroom showering or bathing then yes it could happen.mo
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Earlier today, the g/f said she got up to go to the bathroom but she didnt go because she seen the kitchen light on and went into the kitchen and found the backdoor open and then she found out that Haleigh was gone.

Yes, that is what she said:wink:

[Pag Boi]

Oh, good question! It's going to be a state law on that. I was arrested in Texas when I was 15 and my cohorts were my age and older. The 17 year old went to adult jail to be bailed out and the juvies got to go home with Mom and Dad. (No charges were brought after lab testing of the "substance". :biggrin:)

Hey Lavenia - you.......jail? lmao

I am curious abt her legal rights. LE seemed to me to be trying to tow the line legally regarding Misti. They said she was being comforted by family now???

Looked today like she was back to carbuncle :)

[Kelly3820]

You're welcome. I knew I had seen it earlier but took a while to remember where. I just can't see guilt in this girl, maybe as some suggest she did forget to relock a door or they were mistaken about it being locked in the first place, but I really don't think she harmed Haleigh. jmo.



I agree. I think if she is guilty she would have cracked by now. But to me she looks exhausted and sedated. I think if she was guilty she would be getting her story straight and be prepared. I don't think she knew what to in the first minutes of realizing Haleigh was gone. I think of my 17 year old on what she would have done if her younger brother was gone in the night. I think she would tried to call me or her dad and would have been scared to death.

[beetlebrow]

Wow, I didn't know that. I lost a daughter to Turner's syndrome many years ago and all I really remember was that it was chromosomal and that my daughter wouldn't have lived very long and she would have been "little". I was too devastated to follow up on the disease at the time, but it is a horrible thing from what I do remember.

Boo....did your daughter miss school because of health problems when she was Haleighs age??

[emdragon]

I don't mean to sound cruel, but is something wrong with Haleigh? She doesn't look "right". Maybe its just the pics?

She has Tuners Syndrome- it is a chromosomal issue- she is missing half an x chromosome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

[Tia]

She has Tuners Syndrome- it is a chromosomal issue- she is missing half an x chromosome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

Thank you!

[beetlebrow]

Waht in the world are you talking about? Because you do not like my posts that means mine are disrespectful? A bit hypocritical!

IMO she is right on the money.......

[emdragon]

Waht in the world are you talking about? Because you do not like my posts that means mine are disrespectful? A bit hypocritical!

You have been attacking posters of differing opinions all day I was just wondering why you feel they are wrong while you are right. I never meant to be disrespectful just asking a question.

[emdragon]

Well you know the baby is the baby. They go into a separate category, as being more cute and vulnerable and needy etc and babies just are not bratty. It could be that she was so hurt over losing custody of the children that it was her way of protecting her heart by distancing herself from them, or maybe it was just meant in a playful way. Unlike Casey Anthony this mother has not demonstrated resentment of her children.

It could also be that she was never very attached to the 2 older ones for various reasons (depression,drugs,hates the father etc.) and the baby is her chance to start over.

[boo]

Boo....did your daughter miss school because of health problems when she was Haleighs age??

No beetlebrow, she ended up being stillborn so I don't know what the future would have been like.

I just can't wrap my head around this one. :closedeyes:

[Pag Boi]

I didn't hear any assumptions on the other poster's part, just a possibility. We'll never know though because unlike the rest of the judicial system, family court records are closed.
I have personal experience too, and the family court can do whatever they want. There are no checks and balances like in real court. It sounds like you won, therefore you think the courts always makes the right decisions.
Haleigh's probably dead, probably at the hands of a pedophile and likely because of negligence on the part of dad's teen gf.
I don't think this was in Haleigh's best interests.

Media has already revealed some of the court papers.

I don't think the bio mom is telling the entire truth. You have to be served or the case will be continued, at least in my state. I can't imagine that FL wouldn't require proof of service for such a serious issue. JMOO

[KittyMom]

I don't mean to sound cruel, but is something wrong with Haleigh? She doesn't look "right". Maybe its just the pics?

It has been reported that she has Turner Syndrome.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

[openminded]

Yes, co-sleeping/family bed. The answer is when the children decide they want their own bed or they get to be too old according to the individual parents opinion. No rule fits all.

Obviously, parents who co-sleep feel there is some benefit to it but I still think children belong in their own bed from the beginning. JMO.

[Tia]

It has been reported that she has Turner Syndrome.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

Poor little peanut. I hope she is found safe.

[Mayasmimi]

Haven't read back, but she reminds me of Susan Smith. Same kind of look/expression. IMO.

Now that I've read back, happy to know that others see Susan Smith in her. One more thing....a baby is missing. Time to lite up smokes and walk all cuddly in front of cameras. Just so messed up...:cursing:

Last thing....bio Mom and her Mom were odd tonight. No?

It isn't typical that every baby born to poor, uneducated, parents turns up missing. So many children live with people like these. Don't know what else to say.

[openminded]

'Fraid so, PB. It seems like I have a long history of false persecutions/prosecutions. :wink:

Yeah, I wondered if she is staying with him again. But then they said he was staying in a tent now and they didn't mention her being in the tent with him.

Actually, Lavenia, I believe I heard the reporter say she was staying with him (might have been on NG since I missed Greta). Of course, like everything in this case, the information could have been incorrect. Or, since it's late, I could have just thought I heard that.

[emdragon]

I agree with sheriff that told greta this is their story. LE doesn't know for certain.

What if dad lost his temper and harmed the child without meaning to kill her and got g/f to go along with a cherade to LE? I think that's possible. I don't think g/f hurt the child. I don't believe this case will have a good ending and I don't believe the dad in all things. He changes his stories too much to be believed. LE says no signs of stranger abduction in that house anywhere.
LE might be wrong but right now I believe them.

When did LE say no stranger abduction? I heard them say it was an abduction and all the world are suspects- sounds to me like they haven't ruled out a stranger. Add that to all the door to door searches and I am seeing the exact opposite of what you said.

[KittyMom]

Does the girlfriend have access to a vehicle while Dad is at work?

[Pag Boi]

I've always heard of it referred to as "The Family Bed" My MIL and his wife did it.

I find no problem with a kid climbing into bed if they get scared but think they need their own room and bed- they need to learn how to self sooth and parents need their own alone time.

ITA.

I have never heard the term, co-sleeping. Our family calls it boundaries.

[boo]

I know it's wrong and I know I am being selfish, but I still let my little one crawl into bed with me for no reason at all. Of course, many nights she chooses to sleep in her own room, in her bed and I don't object at all. I must admit though, I do miss that little heater when she's not next to me. :smile:

[msgatorslayer]

wow...same here!
i have 3 grown sons, & none of them ever slept in the bed with me, other than if they were sick, or just after a nightmare..& that was rare..

Do you remember the guy, who, IIRC, was staying on his roof, or something wacked out, to protest his kids sleeping in his bed? His wife was allowing them into his 'marital bed' :biggrin:

You know how kids can be. As parents, we all have to go through the 'scared of the dark', so we use night lights. The 'I need a drink" and if you don't nip it in the bud, asap, it becomes a pattern. Or the crying and whining at bedtime.

For some, it is easier on them, to let the child sleep with them than work at getting the child on an independant sleepy time ritual.

[beetlebrow]

No beetlebrow, she ended up being stillborn so I don't know what the future would have been like.

I just can't wrap my head around this one. :closedeyes:

I'm so sorry Boo.....was just asking because the biomom said that the dad told her that Haleigh couldn't miss anymore school or he would get thrown in jail........wait......Haleigh was 5yrs old, born 8/8.....so she was in kindergarten :confused:

Can you get thrown in jail for too many absences in KINDERGARTEN????

[KittyMom]

I've been co-sleeping with my kids all week. lol We've had a stomach virus run through the house and I've been up with a different kid each night. No point in both hubby and I losing sleep. And when hubby is away on trips the kids sleep in my room and I sleep on a pull out bed. I want them close by. I can understand the gf and the kids in the room together. She's a kid herself.

[Zeus]

Now that I've read back, happy to know that others see Susan Smith in her. One more thing....a baby is missing. Time to lite up smokes and walk all cuddly in front of cameras. Just so messed up...:cursing:

Last thing....bio Mom and her Mom were odd tonight. No?

It isn't typical that every baby born to poor, uneducated, parents turns up missing. So many children live with people like these. Don't know what else to say.



I never knew EVERY baby born to poor, uneducated parents turns up missing. Thanks for passing that information on.

[CHICANA]

Media has already revealed some of the court papers.

I don't think the bio mom is telling the entire truth. You have to be served or the case will be continued, at least in my state. I can't imagine that FL wouldn't require proof of service for such a serious issue. JMOO

Not in mine, the worst year of my life was spent in and out of family court and every notice I got was sent via mail and not certified mail either.
I don't know if bio mom is telling the truth, but I think that we've seen more of this family than the court has and I don't understand how dad was the better pick.

[Pag Boi]

'Fraid so, PB. It seems like I have a long history of false persecutions/prosecutions. :wink:

Yeah, I wondered if she is staying with him again. But then they said he was staying in a tent now and they didn't mention her being in the tent with him.



:lol:

Tent......or.......home comforts?

I wonder where Butterbean is staying? Is he in the tent, too?

[boo]

I'm so sorry Boo.....was just asking because the biomom said that the dad told her that Haleigh couldn't miss anymore school or he would get thrown in jail........wait......Haleigh was 5yrs old, born 8/8.....so she was in kindergarten :confused:

Can you get thrown in jail for too many absences in KINDERGARTEN????

Good question. I guess anything is possible?! This case just confuses me as much as the "other" one near it in Orlando. So much strangeness (that is so a word!)

[Zeus]

I'm so sorry Boo.....was just asking because the biomom said that the dad told her that Haleigh couldn't miss anymore school or he would get thrown in jail........wait......Haleigh was 5yrs old, born 8/8.....so she was in kindergarten :confused:

Can you get thrown in jail for too many absences in KINDERGARTEN????

Gosh---You're not suggesting Biomom spoke a mistruth, are you?

[msgatorslayer]

If for instance the GF had something to do with Haleighs being missing, is 17 yrs old too young to be charged as an adult?

TIA

Nope.

Florida handcuffs 5 yo's.:wink:

[boo]

I never knew EVERY baby born to poor, uneducated parents turns up missing. Thanks for passing that information on.

I think she said "it isn't typical", Zeus! :scared:

[PROPROS]

Originally Posted by PROPROS

On Greta GF goes to the bathroom,comes out and Haleigh is gone...Do we know how long she was in the bathroom...It would seem that there would not be enough time for someone to break-in get child and leave...However, if she was in the bathroom showering or bathing then yes it could happen.mo
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Earlier today, the g/f said she got up to go to the bathroom but she didnt go because she seen the kitchen light on and went into the kitchen and found the backdoor open and then she found out that Haleigh was gone.Thanks everyone for clearing that up...once again watching Greta posting here...I can't walk and chew gum anymore.mo

[boo]

Thanks everyone for clearing that up...once again watching Greta posting here...I can't walk and chew gum anymore.mo

Hidy ho, neighbor. Yep, another strange case is a brewin' in the sunshine state.

Lavenia... I know you from somewhere. Were you around for the NF days under an "assumed" name? :sneaky:

[5boxersmom]

:lol:

Tent......or.......home comforts?

I wonder where Butterbean is staying? Is he in the tent, too?

Who is Butterbean?

[Kelly3820]

I agree with sheriff that told greta this is their story. LE doesn't know for certain.

What if dad lost his temper and harmed the child without meaning to kill her and got g/f to go along with a cherade to LE? I think that's possible. I don't think g/f hurt the child. I don't believe this case will have a good ending and I don't believe the dad in all things. He changes his stories too much to be believed. LE says no signs of stranger abduction in that house anywhere.
LE might be wrong but right now I believe them.


This is how I took it LE said no forced entry. I think reporters and people who cover this case read that being and inside job. The reporters and the talking heads read that as no signs of stranger abduction. I believe that as of right now LE is ruling nobody out. I think LE is having trouble with the gf and I don't think she passed the poly like the dad did. I believe he passed and he has a solid alibi at least for now with the timeline. The timeline could change. I mean I don't know who last saw Haleigh besides the dad and the gf. If a neighbors or other people saw Haleigh after dad went to work I believe he as a pretty solid alibi.

I actually believe LE know the gf's story. They are watching these interviews and seeing how Misty reacts and what she says to these questions.

[beetlebrow]

I know it's wrong and I know I am being selfish, but I still let my little one crawl into bed with me for no reason at all. Of course, many nights she chooses to sleep in her own room, in her bed and I don't object at all. I must admit though, I do miss that little heater when she's not next to me. :smile:


My son always had his own room but when he was a toddler and DH would go on a business trip (leaving the 2 of us alone in the house) my son would want to sleep with me.......but OMG he was all over the bed!!! I got hit and kicked quite regularly....sometimes I would wake up and his head would be under the covers at the foot of the bed with his feet by my face!!!. But I still loved it....:w00t: Now he is 12 and I miss it!!!

[KittyMom]

I've got a Couey feeling on this one. :crying:

[VC2]

They might not have had a custody order at that time, so whoever had the kids had custody. She had physical custody, she let them go with dad and he went behind her back and got custody. Selfish.

Not selfish at all. I would hope that you would do the same thing when your child with Turners syndrome is not being taken to get her hormone shots she needs. In fact i would call it selfish if you didn.t, especially if you know the mom has a drug problem

Also that was an easy easy thing for the courts to figure out. All the evidence they needed was in that doctors office, and im sure there was evidence given of the drug problem.

imo

[Pat]

I'm so sorry Boo.....was just asking because the biomom said that the dad told her that Haleigh couldn't miss anymore school or he would get thrown in jail........wait......Haleigh was 5yrs old, born 8/8.....so she was in kindergarten :confused:

Can you get thrown in jail for too many absences in KINDERGARTEN????

Add to the fact this child has chronic, legtimate medical issues, I wonder how accurate the bio mother has been.

[emdragon]

I think if she wasn't telling the truth he had more than ample opportunity to dispute it during interviews today alone. She is making him look bad by those comments, I would think if they were not accurate he would be defending himself. Maybe not?

I think he is more concerned with his daughter than his ex bad mouthing him.

[Kelly3820]

Also did anyone catch Misty saying that her brother and kids came over that night and an AC man? Who is the AC man?

[boo]

My son always had his own room but when he was a toddler and DH would go on a business trip (leaving the 2 of us alone in the house) my son would want to sleep with me.......but OMG he was all over the bed!!! I got hit and kicked quite regularly....sometimes I would wake up and his head would be under the covers at the foot of the bed with his feet by my face!!!. But I still loved it....:w00t: Now he is 12 and I miss it!!!

Yep, I've sported many a bruise with her next to me. They do flail around, don't they? The worst is when you get suckerpunched in a sound sleep. Fear and pain interlaced.

[Kelly3820]

I've got a Couey feeling on this one. :crying:



Thats how I am starting to feel. I hope LE is combing and looking for all the pervs in or around that area.

[VC2]

Ahhhhhh!!!!!

(See? I miss all this when I tune in late!). I read part of the 911 transcript and he is VERY angry so I bet you are right...she admits to the door but is deathly afraid of telling the dad. WOW. Thanks for the update.

umm it was speculation from the poster. That in their opinion that has happened.

[beetlebrow]

If for instance the GF had something to do with Haleighs being missing, is 17 yrs old too young to be charged as an adult?

TIA

And from what I could gather from MySpace she has at least 2 sisters and 2 brothers....lrg family....:biggrin:

[boo]

Nope. Just on the Caylee board. I was signed up years ago, but just lurked. You must have just seen one of the fabulous movies I was in.:laugh:

Perhaps. You make me laugh frequently, er, often! :wink:

[5boxersmom]

The son, that is what Crystal called him on her myspace.

Oh ok thanks.

I thought Misti said another name when she was interviewed by the media earlier today. About when they put Haleigh to bed. She said me, ???, and Jr. I couldn't tell what she was saying.

Does anyone know? I thought maybe it was a dog.

[Zeus]

I think she said "it isn't typical", Zeus! :scared:

Typical? Caylee Anthony's family wasn't poor and uneducated. Neither was Danielle Van Dam's. On the other hand, Ben Carson grew up poor and his mother couldn't read. He's a world renowned pediatric neurosurgeon.

I think it's 'typical' for mean-spirited comments to made about poor uneducated people.

[beetlebrow]

I never knew EVERY baby born to poor, uneducated parents turns up missing. Thanks for passing that information on.

That post was so wrong that I can't even find words.....:confused:

[Pag Boi]

That is the new trend to solve truancy... arrest the parents and place pressure on the kids.

Haleigh was a truant? :eek:

New trend? Who do you think should be responsible for getting your kids to school? How is pressure placed on the kids?

If only bio mom knew the entire story. She didn't even know if her kid was sick or how much school she had missed. I wonder if she even knew how tall the child was or how much she weighed?

For Haleigh :rose: