2/10 - 2/12

[msgatorslayer]

'Authorities are searching for Haleigh Cummings, a 4-year-old girl last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma about 3 a.m. Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and underwear, according a Missing Child Alert.'

She is described as 3 feet tall, white with blonde hair and blue eyes, weighing 39 pounds.

Authorities said Haleigh's father returned home and, though there was another person in the residence, discovered that his daughter was missing.

If you have any information concerning the whereabouts of this endangered child, contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0808.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert

I heard on my news that the back door to the home was open. But they also had her age wrong, soooo.

I hope she is found. :rose:

[happy2bme]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html

[happy2bme]

http://amberalert.com/

[happy2bme]

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/feb/10/101106/missing-child-alert-issued-putnam-county-3-year-ol/news-breaking/


An Amber Alert has been issued for a missing 5-year-old girl from Putnam County in northeast Florida.
Haleigh (http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/haleigh/) Cummings was last seen at her home in Satsuma at 3 this morning, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said.
The child is 3 feet (http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/3-feet/) tall, weighs 39 pounds and has blond hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt (http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/pink-shirt/) and underwear, the sheriff's office said.
Detectives have not released details surrounding her disappearance.
A missing child (http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/missing-child/) alert was issued early this morning. It was changed to an Amber Alert shortly before 11 a.m. An Amber Alert is issued in serious, time-critical child-abduction cases and is not used for cases of runaways or parental abductions except in life-threatening situations, according to the Department of Justice Web site.
Anyone with information on her whereabouts should call the Putnam sheriff's office at (386) 329-0808 or 911.


Please let this child be found safe and unharmed.

[happy2bme]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090210/ARTICLES/902100299

[Breazy]

I wonder what the situation is with Haleigh's mother and if she could have taken her? There are conflicting reports regarding some things but one article stated that there were 25 registered sex offenders in the immediate area. :scared: Dear God, please let this little angel be safe somewhere!

[KittyMom]

http://www.pcso.us/

flyer
http://www.pcso.us/Files/Doc/2009/Haliegh%20Cummings.pdf

[Katprint]

The "back door open" part is actually a good sign. When my youngest son was 2 1/2 years old, he got up out of bed in the middle of the night, pushed a chair over to the front door, climbed up and unlocked the deadbolt (for the FIRST TIME EVER), and let himself out. At about 5:00 am, we were wakened by the doorbell and discovered a police officer at our open front door holding our son in his arms. We were amazed and asked him how he knew which house our son had come from. He told us, "At this age, they generally don't close the door behind themselves so we just drive up and down the streets until we see a house with its front door open."

Presumably a kidnapper would have shut the back door to delay detection, so hopefully an open back door indicates that the child let herself out.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[KittyMom]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18680713/detail.html

Girl, 5, Vanishes From Bedroom; Amber Alert Issued

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in her bed at her home on Green Lane, where she lived with her father and his girlfriend.

The last person to see Haleigh was her father's girlfriend, who told investigators that she saw the child in her bed. Haleigh's father was reportedly at work Monday night and his girlfriend was the only other person in the house when Haleigh apparently disappeared.

Deputies were notified of her disappearance and began a search at 3:30 a.m. Tuesday.

Putnam County sheriff's Capt. Steve Rose said there were no signs that the house had been broken into, but he did not know whether the doors and windows were locked.

"We have an extensive search under way involving 50 people, and that number is growing," Rose said Tuesday morning.

[JD1974]

Here's another story, equally confusing details. In this story, she was discovered missing by her father's girlfriend. I wonder where he was all night, that he arrived home at 3:30.

In this story, the door was " not locked". Some people use the term "open" for that.

I'm always very curious about parents who check on their kids in the wee hours? Who does that? Maybe I'm different, but I wouldn't check on a 5 year old at 3:30 a.m. but I will say that SO many times a child is reported "missing" by the parents, they state they checked on them in the middle of the night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html


I am confused also because I read the father was at work, he returned home, checked on her and she was gone? I check on my kids if I get up in the night, not because I am afraid they won't be there but to make sure they still have their blanket on, make sure they are still asleep etc.

[CANDYKISSES]

OMG, 25 SEX OFFENDERS LIVE CLOSE BY..... :w00t:

Dear God, are they forming small communities now or something???

I am praying she got up and out herself, but something tells me not or that someone would have been preying on her outside to get her to do so. :angry: JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I am confused also because I read the father was at work, he returned home, checked on her and she was gone? I check on my kids if I get up in the night, not because I am afraid they won't be there but to make sure they still have their blanket on, make sure they are still asleep etc.

I always did that when they were young, and then again when they got to be teens FOR DIFFERENT REASONS....too bad there is no hair pulling icon for the teen years....:cursing:

JMO

[juliekan]

How scary. On the one hand, this reminds me of Jessica Lunsford - stolen in the night.

On the other hand, it seems like a very strange coincidence that the girlfriend checked on Haleigh in the wee hours in the morning, to find her missing, at just the moment Haleigh's dad came home. I don't understand that.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212207051.shtml

from this article:

Apparently the girlfriend was awakened by a loud noise around 3:30 am...

I missed when the dad came home...was that in one of the earlier posted links, and I missed it? TIA

[Breazy]

How scary. On the one hand, this reminds me of Jessica Lunsford - stolen in the night.

On the other hand, it seems like a very strange coincidence that the girlfriend checked on Haleigh in the wee hours in the morning, to find her missing, at just the moment Haleigh's dad came home. I don't understand that.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212207051.shtml

From your link . . .
the girlfriend was awakened by a loud noise around 3:30 am and went to check on little Haleigh when she discovered the girl was missing.


I didn't see anything about this happening at just the moment that Haleigh's dad came home. Where did you get this? If true, that's hinky indeed.

[happy2bme]

From your link . . .


I didn't see anything about this happening at just the moment that Haleigh's dad came home. Where did you get this? If true, that's hinky indeed.

First I had heard of the loud noise also.

[juliekan]

Fox news: police are checking time sheets and video cameras to see if the dad was actually at work when he said he was. :blink:

[happy2bme]

Fox news: police are checking time sheets and video cameras to see if the dad was actually at work when he said he was. :blink:


Wow. I hope she is found safe.

[juliekan]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2009/02/dont-post-unles.html

Haleigh Cummings was last seen when her father's girlfriend put her to bed about 10 p.m. Monday, Sgt. Jason Nettles said. When Haleigh's father returned from work about 3 a.m., she was missing and his home's back door open.

I will say, there have been misstatements by some articles I have read, so maybe they will all get on the CORRECT same page soon.

[juliekan]

http://tampadigitalbillboards.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-fl-amber-alert.html

Within minutes of being issued, this Amber Alert notification was sent out to Clear Channel's Digital Outdoor Network in Tampa. It is the billboard company's policy to suspend all other advertising for one hour, showing only the Amber Alert, after which the design is placed into a rotation with the paid advertisements. Here's a webcam shot of the board, which went up literally 10 minutes ago...

:thumbup: to Clear Channel

[happy2bme]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-girl-021009,0,6189346.story


An Amber Alert has been issued for a missing Putnam County girl.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in the bedroom of the Satsuma home where she lives with her father, Ronald Cummings and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

Ronald Cummings was working Monday night, and Croslin woke up and realized Haleigh was missing just before he returned home at about 3:30 a.m. this morning, according to Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Croslin alerted authorities while Ronald Cumming searched for his daughter, Greenwood said.

Haleigh's mother was in Georgia, where she lives, when Haleigh went missing, Greenwood said.




Greenwood said that deputies are searching the area near Haleigh's home and speaking with her family members. It's too soon to know whether she was abducted by a stranger, and there were no signs that her home had been broken into he said.

"At this point, all we know is that we have a missing little girl," he said.

Haleigh is three feet tall, weighs 39 pounds, and has blonde hair and brown eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808.

[Breazy]

I hate it when there are such conflicting reports!! Father returned home to find her missing or girlfriend heard noise and discovered her missing? No signs of forced entry or door was open? I just hope and pray that this father or his girlfriend are not guilty of bringing harm to this angel.

[juliekan]

OMG, 25 SEX OFFENDERS LIVE CLOSE BY..... :w00t:

Dear God, are they forming small communities now or something???

I am praying she got up and out herself, but something tells me not or that someone would have been preying on her outside to get her to do so. :angry: JMO

<my bolding>

yes, they are. if I look up sexual offenders in my zip code, there is an small apartment complex about 15 minutes from my house that shows EIGHT of them living there.

[Breazy]

http://tampadigitalbillboards.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-fl-amber-alert.html

Within minutes of being issued, this Amber Alert notification was sent out to Clear Channel's Digital Outdoor Network in Tampa. It is the billboard company's policy to suspend all other advertising for one hour, showing only the Amber Alert, after which the design is placed into a rotation with the paid advertisements. Here's a webcam shot of the board, which went up literally 10 minutes ago...

:thumbup: to Clear Channel

This is great but they sure do need to add her picture. Without a photo, I don't know how much attention will be paid to it.

[JD1974]

<my bolding>

yes, they are. if I look up sexual offenders in my zip code, there is an small apartment complex about 15 minutes from my house that shows EIGHT of them living there.


The court system lets them out and then they have to all congregate around the same place because the laws that center around where they can/can't live. I don't know which is worse, having a whole area of perverts around me or having them scattered by schools and bus stops...scares the heck out of me either way!

[juliekan]

Fox news: police are checking time sheets and video cameras to see if the dad was actually at work when he said he was. :blink:

actually this is a good idea to rule him out ASAP.

[CANDYKISSES]

<my bolding>

yes, they are. if I look up sexual offenders in my zip code, there is an small apartment complex about 15 minutes from my house that shows EIGHT of them living there.

It is frightening julie. I hope all parents are becoming more and more aware of the dangers that are lurking in our communities and how important it is to cherish and watch closely over their children.

:sad:

[Breazy]

Here it is, in a brand new posted story.

Croslin, the girlfriend woke up and discovered Haleigh missing at virtually the moment Cummings, the dad arrived home.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-girl-021009,0,6189346.story

It's a little hard to believe.

BUT, so were the disappearances of other kidnapped girls, at first.

Prayers for this darling child.


I agree that would be quite a coincidence. Anxious to hear that father's alibi (work) checks out. Still confused about door being left open? Wouldn't that be a sign of forced entry? Entry I guess but not forced? Earlier article stated girlfriend said door wasn't locked.

[juliekan]

The court system lets them out and then they have to all congregate around the same place because the laws that center around where they can/can't live. I don't know which is worse, having a whole area of perverts around me or having them scattered by schools and bus stops...scares the heck out of me either way!

there is a registered sexual offender who lives one house away from a school bus stop a block from me. tried to get the school district to move the stop, but they wouldn't....

[KittyMom]

checking the dad's alibi would be the first thing LE would do. Probably already got cell records on dad and gf.

[KittyMom]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-missing-girl-021009,0,6189346.story

Haleigh Cummings, 5, was last seen at 10 p.m. Monday in the bedroom of the Satsuma home where she lives with her father, Ronald Cummings and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

Ronald Cummings was working Monday night, and Croslin woke up and realized Haleigh was missing just before he returned home at about 3:30 a.m. this morning, according to Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. Croslin alerted authorities while Ronald Cumming searched for his daughter, Greenwood said.

Haleigh's mother was in Georgia, where she lives, when Haleigh went missing, Greenwood said.

[JD1974]

there is a registered sexual offender who lives one house away from a school bus stop a block from me. tried to get the school district to move the stop, but they wouldn't....


Wow someone can't get the city to make him move? It is against the law for a registered sex offender to live that close to a bus stop...that would definitely freak me out.

[juliekan]

Wow someone can't get the city to make him move? It is against the law for a registered sex offender to live that close to a bus stop...that would definitely freak me out.

there was no bus stop there when he bought the house....the school district could easily move it, but they won't :cursing:

sorry CW, I've gone O/T

[KittyMom]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

Deputies began a search of the area at 3:30 a.m. after the father came home from work and found the door of the girl's bedroom open and Haleigh missing. St. Johns and Volusia county have also sent resources to help and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has contributed two boats and a helicopter to the search.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement issued an endangered/missing alert before 9 a.m. Less than two hours later, authorities upgraded it to an Amber Alert.

Rose said that while they have no reason to suspect foul play, deputies were contacting known sex offenders in the area to establish their whereabouts.

Channel 4 learned that a 2-year-old girl sleeping in the same bedroom Monday night is safe.

Haleigh's mother, who lives in south Georgia, was en route to Putnam County.

Interesting...a younger child in the same bedroom was not taken.

[penguin01]

there is a registered sexual offender who lives one house away from a school bus stop a block from me. tried to get the school district to move the stop, but they wouldn't....
We have the same problem here. The guy's victim was an 8 yr old - 1st degree rape in 1994. I measured the distance from his house to the closest elementary school and he is legal by about 10 ft where he is - but the bus stop is right by his house. Nothing we can do about it.
Hmm - I wonder if I should try to keep a copy of the Public Safety print-out on him tacked on a nearby pole. Do they update those photos or would the photo be from 1994?
I would probably be the one to get arrested if I did start posting.

[Breazy]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html



Interesting...a younger child in the same bedroom was not taken.


Yes it is. I also see that conflicting reports about who discovered her missing are still floating around. I guess as long as LE has the right info, that's all that matters. Sure makes it hard for us cyber detectives though, lol. May God keep this angel safe.

[happy2bme]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18682465/index.html

[happy2bme]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html


Authorities in northeast Florida are questioning the father of a missing 5-year-old girl who his girlfriend says wasn't in her bed when they checked on her Tuesday morning, police told FOXNews.com.

[omsk99]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html



Interesting...a younger child in the same bedroom was not taken.

Just like in the Elizabeth Smart's case. IF she was abducted by a stranger, who acted alone, it would be difficult to take two children without much noise...

[juliekan]

:scared: she lived at a mobile home park? the lunsford child just flashed in front of my eyes...hope they are searching every inch of every mobile home, especially of the registered offenders.

[omsk99]

:scared: she lived at a mobile home park? the lunsford child just flashed in front of my eyes...hope they are searching every inch of every mobile home, especially of the registered offenders.

Also brings to mind the horribly sad case of Rowan Ford :sad:

[happy2bme]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert



Law enforcement officers with boats and aircraft are searching an area of southern Putnam County for a 5-year-old girl last seen at home about 10 p.m. Monday, authorities said.
A missing and endangered child alert has been issued for Haleigh Cummings, last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma when she was in bed. About 3 a.m. the girl's father came home and saw her missing, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. A woman believed to be the father's wife or girlfriend was also asleep in the residence.
Greenwood said the father noticed Haleigh missing and woke the woman. He said there is no immediate evidence of foul play but that the home off Seven Sisters Road is very near the St. Johns River and that there are canals reaching into the neighborhood.
Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and underwear, according the Missing Child Alert.
She is described as 3 feet tall, white with blonde hair and blue eyes, weighing 39 pounds.
Authorities said Haleigh's father returned home and, though there was another person in the residence, discovered that his daughter was missing.
A tearful Ronald Cummings this afternoon said he came home to find his girlfriend up and his daughter missing.
“I know somebody took my little girl,” he said.
When he arrived home the back door of the mobile home was open, he said. He said his girlfriend had gotten up to go to the restroom and found Haleigh missing.
Cummings said he is sure his daughter did not leave on her own.
“There is no way,” he said. “My daughter is afraid of the dark.”
The last time he saw her was when she got off the school bus, he said.
“She said she’d see me when I got home.”
Cummings appealed to anyone who knew where his daughter might be to contact the Sheriff’s Office.
“That’s all I want is someone to return my child,” he said.
Search crews continue to scour the area with dogs, a helicopter and dozens of people. One neighbor said she woke up about 3:30 a.m. and saw officers with flashlights. Investigators had the dogs out by her dock three separate times and about 4:30 a.m. they asked to search her home. They searched other homes as well.
If you have any information concerning the whereabouts of this endangered child, contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386) 329-0808.

[juliekan]

That article contradicts itself three times!!!!!!

this was interesting:

One neighbor said she woke up about 3:30 a.m. and saw officers with flashlights. Investigators had the dogs out by her dock three separate times and about 4:30 a.m. they asked to search her home.

Where would someone go by boat to, if they had just kidnapped a little girl?

[Breazy]

I wonder why the conflicting reports, all within the same article?

From article upthread:

About 3 a.m. the girl's father came home and saw her missing, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

A tearful Ronald Cummings this afternoon said he came home to find his girlfriend up and his daughter missing.

“I know somebody took my little girl,” he said.

When he arrived home the back door of the mobile home was open, he said. He said his girlfriend had gotten up to go to the restroom and found Haleigh missing.


http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-10/story/putnam_issues_missing_child_alert

[omsk99]

In the article posted above, there are SO many inconsistencies! So who discovered that Haleigh was missing?!

snips from the same article:

"Greenwood said the father noticed Haleigh missing and woke the woman."

"Authorities said Haleigh's father returned home and, though there was another person in the residence, discovered that his daughter was missing."

"When he arrived home the back door of the mobile home was open, he said. He said his girlfriend had gotten up to go to the restroom and found Haleigh missing."

I really would like to know who is being inconsistent in their stories: the reporters or the couple!

ETA: After I posted this, I noticed that you guys already posted the same thing/observation!!

[Breazy]

In the article posted above, there are SO many inconsistencies! So who discovered that Haleigh was missing?!

snips from the same article:

"Greenwood said the father noticed Haleigh missing and woke the woman."

"Authorities said Haleigh's father returned home and, though there was another person in the residence, discovered that his daughter was missing."

"When he arrived home the back door of the mobile home was open, he said. He said his girlfriend had gotten up to go to the restroom and found Haleigh missing."

I really would like to know who is being inconsistent in their stories: the reporters or the couple!

ETA: After I posted this, I noticed that you guys already posted the same thing/observation!!



My thoughts exactly! I also wonder why the reporter hasn't questioned the inconsistencies?

[omsk99]

This just gets better and better in terms of reporting"

Apparently the girlfriend was awakened by a loud noise around 3:30 am and went to check on little Haleigh when she discovered the girl was missing.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212207051.shtml

Also per this article, Haleigh is 4, not 5 years old :confused:

[juliekan]

That article contradicts itself three times!!!!!!

this was interesting:

One neighbor said she woke up about 3:30 a.m. and saw officers with flashlights. Investigators had the dogs out by her dock three separate times and about 4:30 a.m. they asked to search her home.

Where would someone go by boat to, if they had just kidnapped a little girl?

:ohmy: or to get rid of a body!

[omsk99]

I am surprised the other child, a 2-year old, was mentioned only in one article. Was the child awake? Did he/she hear or see anything? Is that the GF's child with the father or not her biological child? Why did the GF go to check on "little Haleigh" (per one of the articles posted here) and not on "children", after she heard the noise? Of course, not pointing any fingers here, at all - just so hard to sort through this confusing reporting!!

[StillEG]

This story is bothering me to no end. Iknow stories are always wishy-washy early on, so I hope some of the inconsistencies are cleared up quickly.


Wonder if the 2 year old is the gf's child? Is the 5 year old the gf's child?

[juliekan]

I am surprised the other child, a 2-year old, was mentioned only in one article. Was the child awake? Did he/she hear or see anything? Is that the GF's child with the father or not her biological child? Why did the GF go to check on "little Haleigh" (per one of the articles posted here) and not on "children", after she heard the noise? Of course, not pointing any fingers here, at all - just so hard to sort through this confusing reporting!!

Haleigh's bio mom lives in Georgia, I think, and is said to be in route to Florida (or, if you want to believe the tv, she has already arrived in Florida).

[juliekan]

This just gets better and better in terms of reporting"

Apparently the girlfriend was awakened by a loud noise around 3:30 am and went to check on little Haleigh when she discovered the girl was missing.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212207051.shtml

Also per this article, Haleigh is 4, not 5 years old :confused:

Her b-day is 8/17/03, IIRC

[happy2bme]

This story is bothering me to no end. Iknow stories are always wishy-washy early on, so I hope some of the inconsistencies are cleared up quickly.


Wonder if the 2 year old is the gf's child? Is the 5 year old the gf's child?

I read on another site that the gf is only 19. There is a link to her myspace. I wasn't sure I could post it here.

[Breazy]

I am surprised the other child, a 2-year old, was mentioned only in one article. Was the child awake? Did he/she hear or see anything? Is that the GF's child with the father or not her biological child? Why did the GF go to check on "little Haleigh" (per one of the articles posted here) and not on "children", after she heard the noise? Of course, not pointing any fingers here, at all - just so hard to sort through this confusing reporting!!


Ditto! I am so frustrated with news reports so far. I really would like to know if girlfriend heard noise and got up to check . . . or got up to go to bathroom . . . if father came home and woke girlfriend up . . . or when father got home, girlfriend was already up? Makes my head spin. :confused:

[Breazy]

I read on another site that the gf is only 19. There is a link to her myspace. I wasn't sure I could post it here.

Please send to me in PM. TIA.

[Erin26GA]

Just saw an amber alert on the news for this little girl...had to come see what you guys were saying. I pray to God that her father or his gfriend had nothing to do with this. I hope whoever has her will let her come home safe to her family. This story is all too familiar.

[lune3]

This is awful, it's been 12 hours at least now. I hope they are questioning people in the neighbourhood. Any strange cars around, anybody hanging around who didn't belong there? Is there a playground Haleigh frequents, any suspicious guys without children seen there?

Could it be that the gf heard the noise, woke up and went to restroom, then checked on the girls...could both those reports work together to be consistent? My god, maybe the man or whoever had just taken Haleigh right after gf woke up and the sound was actually outside.

[jakee]

Ditto! I am so frustrated with news reports so far. I really would like to know if girlfriend heard noise and got up to check . . . or got up to go to bathroom . . . if father came home and woke girlfriend up . . . or when father got home, girlfriend was already up? Makes my head spin. :confused:

I am so confused by this too. I so hope she is found safe soon.

[omsk99]

OK... Now, per this article, Haleigh's bedroom door was open, so that's why the GF went to check on her... My head is spinning too!

"The sheriff's office said Haleigh's bedroom door was open when her father's girlfriend woke up to go check on her at about 3:45 a.m.

Investigators haven't said what stirred the father's girlfriend at that hour, but authorities say she called 911 when she discovered Haleigh missing from her room."

Also per this article, the mother is in Florida now.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=130972&catid=4

[juliekan]

Headline news: "found by family member to be gone, back door open"

newsconf on now!

[juliekan]

HLN:

ground searches
dogs
helicopters
not many tips on the case
sex. preds. have been or will be spoken to
mother is there with LE
....just asked if any homes have been searched, and stupid TH started talking:cursing:

[desmom]

Presser on HLN - 130 personnel have responded to assist with Amber Alert. A lot of ground teams searching, k-9 units are in place, leads are minimal. Asking for public's help if they heard or saw anything to please contact LE.

According to family members it would be unusual for her to wander off by herself. The rear door of the family home was found open.

All sexual predators in the area are in the process of being contacted.

No known issues amongst the family.

jmo

[texasgal]

From above article..

"She's afraid of the dark," said Ronald Cummings. "She didn't leave my house. Somebody came in my back door and stole my child while I was at work."

Mr. Cummings said when he came home he found signs of forced entry to his home, but investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they didn't find anything to suggest a break-in."



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

[omsk99]

There are TWO other children in the home?! And the GF is only 19 (I found her MySpace as well)?! And how old is the father???

"Two other children were in the home at the time of the disappearance, but they have been accounted for. "

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/amber-alert-5-year-old-girl-mi.html

[happy2bme]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090210/ARTICLES/902100299/1001/NEWS01?Title=Amber_Alert_issued_for_5_year_old_Put nam_County_girl


More than 100 officers from at least seven county, state and federal law enforcement agencies continued the search for a missing 5-year-old Putnam County girl Tuesday afternoon.

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On foot, in helicopters and with blood hounds, the search for Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, 5, has been expanded since she was reported missing at about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday from her east Putnam County home. An Amber Alert was issued nationwide before 9:30 a.m.
The girl was last seen in her bed at 10 p.m. Monday. Haliegh lived with her father and his girlfriend at 202 Green Lane in the Hermit Cove area of the Buffalo Bluff community, according to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.
Officers with Florida Fish and Wildlife and other agencies are searching the banks of the St. Johns River with blood hounds. Among the agencies involved in the search are the FBI, Florida Highway Patrol, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Palatka Police Dept., and Sheriff's offices from Flagler, Volusia, St. Johns and Putnam counties.
The heightened investigation is an effort to engage every resource available early in the search, said Putnam Sheriff's Capt. Steve Rose.
"They always tell you when you have a case of this magnitude, it's always better to flood your resources up front," said Rose. "We are looking at everything because at this point we don't know" what we have.
Haleigh is approximately 3 feet tall, with dirty blond hair, brown eyes, pierced ears and weighing about 39 pounds and was last seen wearing pink shorts and a tan shirt.
Rose said there were no initial signs of forced entry, but officers found a door in the house ajar. He could not confirm whether the doors where locked.
Anyone with information is asked to call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at (386)329-0800.
There will be a 4 p.m. press briefing held near the neighborhood where the girl lives.

[happy2bme]

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10812&page=6

This link will show you the sex offenders living next/close to this child.

[Breazy]

This is awful, it's been 12 hours at least now. I hope they are questioning people in the neighbourhood. Any strange cars around, anybody hanging around who didn't belong there? Is there a playground Haleigh frequents, any suspicious guys without children seen there?

Could it be that the gf heard the noise, woke up and went to restroom, then checked on the girls...could both those reports work together to be consistent? My god, maybe the man or whoever had just taken Haleigh right after gf woke up and the sound was actually outside.

I've heard reports that all homes in area are being searched and all vehicles coming and going. You're right. Those reports could work together and both be true. I can imagine that father and girlfriend are in a panic which can cause confusion.

[OneUp]

God bless and keep this child, though I fear the odds are not in Haleigh's favor!
The mention that she's afraid of the dark and wouldn't leave voluntarily...that really gave me a lump in my throat for some reason. Little ones are so vulnerable and tender, the thought of what has or will probably happen to her is unbearable!
I am praying that her mother has her. It really seems the only "safe" option at this point. It's been over 12 hours since she was known to be missing.:sad:

[omsk99]

God bless and keep this child, though I fear the odds are not in Haleigh's favor!
The mention that she's afraid of the dark and wouldn't leave voluntarily...that really gave me a lump in my throat for some reason. Little ones are so vulnerable and tender, the thought of what has or will probably happen to her is unbearable!
I am praying that her mother has her. It really seems the only "safe" option at this point. It's been over 12 hours since she was known to be missing.:sad:

Her mother was in Georgia at the time Haleigh went missing, and has since driven to Florida.

[happy2bme]

A 17 year old cousin was sleeping in the same room with Haleigh, and "has no information". No word on whether the cousin is male or female.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html


That does not sound good. How would they not have known if they were in the same room. Heavy sleeper:confused:

[OneUp]

Her mother was in Georgia at the time Haleigh went missing, and has since driven to Florida.I had missed that information...that sort of dashes my meager hopes.
Poor Haleigh!

[omsk99]

A 17 year old cousin was sleeping in the same room with Haleigh, and "has no information". No word on whether the cousin is male or female.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

I find it very, very odd that neither the other child nor the teenager woke up IF someone was in the room in the middle of the night. Makes me wonder if they know more and are scared to tell. Or if Haleigh was in the bedroom during the night at all. Just throwing some ideas out there - something might have happened while the father was at work (thinking of Riley Ann Sawyers here...).

[lune3]

A 17 year old cousin was sleeping in the same room with Haleigh, and "has no information". No word on whether the cousin is male or female.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

So there were three in the bedroom. I can understand a two year old sleeping through anything, but a 17 year old? You'd think that a perp taking a child would have caused some sound, or that Haleigh would have woken up and made some noise. Wonder if they each slept in separate beds.

[omsk99]

I had missed that information...that sort of dashes my meager hopes.
Poor Haleigh!

I originally hoped that too :sad:

[WowZer1]

That does not sound good. How would they not have known if they were in the same room. Heavy sleeper:confused:


Could u please send me her myspace link

[StillEG]

There are TWO other children in the home?! And the GF is only 19 (I found her MySpace as well)?! And how old is the father???

"Two other children were in the home at the time of the disappearance, but they have been accounted for. "

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/02/amber-alert-5-year-old-girl-mi.html

will you pm me the link to the myspace?

[lune3]

Wondering now who the 17 year old is. How old is the father? Could she be his daughter too? Seems a big range in ages.

oops apparently she/he is a cousin

[omsk99]

Could u please send me her myspace link

I sent it to you (not much there, no friends and only 2 pics) :seeya:

[omsk99]

will you pm me the link to the myspace?

Done :seeya:

[lune3]

I noticed on the little map in the last article, that there's a lot of land surrounding the community. I wonder if there are roads running through that area and what's there. Forested or swampy? Makes me uneasy, as does all the surrounding water.

[StillEG]

Done :seeya:

Thanks y'all. Doesn't look like a page that is really used. She hasn't logged in since last September and has no friends linked. I'm guessing she must not have consistent access to the internet.

[trich]

I always did that when they were young, and then again when they got to be teens FOR DIFFERENT REASONS....too bad there is no hair pulling icon for the teen years....:cursing:

JMO



Tell me about it ....when my kids became teenagers I finally realized all the walking of the floor at night with them as babies was just a warm up for walking the floor until they came home from their dates etc.
LOL
I pray they find this child safe and sound but I have very bad feeling about her.
I can not believe that an adult does not lock up all doors before they go to bed or if they go to work in the middle of the night.
My husband used to work all kinds of shift work but we both made sure the doors were locked.

that is unreal that 25 sex offenders live in the area....that is very scary.

[omsk99]

"True Crime Report on Issues With Jane Velez-Mitchell, Discussing Haleigh Cummings Disappearance

Posted at 5:02 PM Feb 10, 2009

I'll be a guest on Issues With Jane Velez Mitchell tonight on CNN Headline News (HLN). We'll be discussing the still-unfolding story of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. Haleigh vanished sometime early Monday morning from her bed in a mobile home in rural Satsuma, Fla. I've been updating this post about the case all day. The segment in which I will appear should air sometime between 7:30 p.m. ET and 8 p.m. "

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/true_crime_report_on_issues_wi.php

[omsk99]

Thanks y'all. Doesn't look like a page that is really used. She hasn't logged in since last September and has no friends linked. I'm guessing she must not have consistent access to the internet.

Or it could be that she created her page to look someone up (it was required before to have an account to view full profiles, don't know about now). She is listed as SINGLE there (could just mean "not married", not necessarily "not in a relationship", but makes me wonder how long they have been together/ have been living together if she was single in September...)

[fastpitch]

I pray that this child will be found safe.

Since it was impractical to have all 3 kids sleep in my bedroom, I had a large barky dog that lived in the house. She slept with one eye open.

When they got to be teenagers, I got smart and installed a burglar alarm. It kept them in and their friends out.

It was $800.00 and well worth it.

You don't even have to have the monthly bill, but it will beep, beep if a door or window is opened.

[FrankieBones1]

From above article..

"She's afraid of the dark," said Ronald Cummings. "She didn't leave my house. Somebody came in my back door and stole my child while I was at work."

Mr. Cummings said when he came home he found signs of forced entry to his home, but investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they didn't find anything to suggest a break-in."



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:My hinky meter's been going off all day with this one.

[VC2]

Here's another story, equally confusing details. In this story, she was discovered missing by her father's girlfriend. I wonder where he was all night, that he arrived home at 3:30.

In this story, the door was " not locked". Some people use the term "open" for that.

I'm always very curious about parents who check on their kids in the wee hours? Who does that? Maybe I'm different, but I wouldn't check on a 5 year old at 3:30 a.m. but I will say that SO many times a child is reported "missing" by the parents, they state they checked on them in the middle of the night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html

I think its pretty normal if you just arrived home. That is different than waking up in the middle of the night, but even then i can see it.

Also, if there was a stranger its quite possible that the parent heard something subconsciously while sleeping and therefore checked even if they didn't know why.

[trich]

I don't have a good feeling about this poor girl.
i pray I am wrong and she is found safe sooner rather then later.

[kaylynn]

This is extremely fishy, inconsistent..and sad. I really hope Haleigh is ok.
:rose:

[kaylynn]

Or it could be that she created her page to look someone up (it was required before to have an account to view full profiles, don't know about now). She is listed as SINGLE there (could just mean "not married", not necessarily "not in a relationship", but makes me wonder how long they have been together/ have been living together if she was single in September...)

When you first sign up for Myspace, it automatically sets your relationship status as single unless you go to your profile details and change it. So, it could be that she never did that, because she never used it.

[omsk99]

An earlier report which has been slightly updated (regarding sex offenders in the area):

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html

[cantstandnuts]

Here's another story, equally confusing details. In this story, she was discovered missing by her father's girlfriend. I wonder where he was all night, that he arrived home at 3:30.

In this story, the door was " not locked". Some people use the term "open" for that.

I'm always very curious about parents who check on their kids in the wee hours? Who does that? Maybe I'm different, but I wouldn't check on a 5 year old at 3:30 a.m. but I will say that SO many times a child is reported "missing" by the parents, they state they checked on them in the middle of the night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,490466,00.html


I check my kids if for some reason I get up. I just look to see if they aren't hanging off the bed or uncovered or whatever, LOL, I'm not checking to see if they aren't there. One of the links says the gf got up to use the bathroom, so it wouldn't be unusual in this circumstance to then check the child IMO.

It's feeling like a Couey thing to me. So many sex offenders in the area, could be someone took her.

I hope she is found safe and this isn't another Couey thing.

[KittyMom]

I was hoping we'd hear some good news today.

[KittyMom]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

Created: 2/10/2009 7:08:43 PM
The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says a rear door to the trailer was found open. The girl's father, Ronald Cummings, told First Coast News the door was forced open.

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

[lune3]

Since it appears the dogs led investigators right to the dock from the trailer, that could imply that Haleigh may have been taken immediately by boat. She could be anywhere along that river. I wonder if boats normally dock there and if so, whether LE is looking into boat owners or whether people saw any unfamiliar boats.

[sinagua]

I am hoping that everyone that was in the house is cooperating with the police, so that they can be cleared.

If this is a single wide trailer, the second BR would be small and only have one bed. A teen and 2 toddlers could easily sleep in 1 bed, though.

But since it was a school night, what was the 17 YO doing there or did she live there, too?

I have known teens that could sleep through a brass band going through the bedroom.

I keep hoping to hear that she has been found alive.

[VC2]

So there were three in the bedroom. I can understand a two year old sleeping through anything, but a 17 year old? You'd think that a perp taking a child would have caused some sound, or that Haleigh would have woken up and made some noise. Wonder if they each slept in separate beds.

does anyone know if they have a cat or dog? I know she was afraid of the dark but it seems to me that little ones can do some surprising things to follow a pet...the story about the scent ending at the river worries me, i can see her following a puppy or cat and falling in if she woke up and it was crying to go outside.

I would prefer that end tho to a sex offender taking, raping and murderign her. Obviously what i really want is for her to be alive but it doesnt look good.

[happy2bme]

does anyone know if they have a cat or dog? I know she was afraid of the dark but it seems to me that little ones can do some surprising things to follow a pet...the story about the scent ending at the river worries me, i can see her following a puppy or cat and falling in if she woke up and it was crying to go outside.

I would prefer that end tho to a sex offender taking, raping and murderign her. Obviously what i really want is for her to be alive but it doesnt look good.


I totally agree VC2. I don't want to hear or read about another one being harmed or killed by another one of these monsters. I have had enough!jmo.

[PROPROS]

Prayers for this child...It is very upsetting that she has not been located wandering around the neighborhood....I hope the media gives this case plenty of attention.:rose:mo

[Mayasmimi]

Prayers for this child...It is very upsetting that she has not been located wandering around the neighborhood....I hope the media gives this case plenty of attention.:rose:mo

Me too. Media............listen.

Worried a tad about Dad. I hate where my mind is leading me.

[Santa'sMom]

Maybe we can move on from the Anthony family and begin the search for this little girl now.

I read in an article somewhere that the Haleigh and the girlfriend were sleeping in the same bed and when the girlfriend came out from going to the bathroom, Haleigh was gone. That doesn't give a very big window of opportunity for someone to go in and snatch a kid. Bathrooms are normally pretty close to the bedrooms too. We lived about 10 miles from there for about three years awhile back. They do have their fair share of druggies, drunks, and mentally unstable people in that end of the county but even still, its hard to imagine someone being able to pick just the right moment to grab a child and run in a situation like that. Then again, the news media isn't always correct so maybe what was reported in that article was not completely true. I sure do hope she's found today and that she is alive and unharmed.

[KittyMom]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

Haleigh was last seen in her Satsuma home on Green Lane with her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend. The girlfriend told police she put the children to bed at 10 p.m. Monday but when she awoke at 3 a.m. to use the bathroom Haleigh was missing and the back door of the home was open.

The 17-year-old called 911 for help as Haleigh's father returned home from an overnight shift at work:

CALLER: I just woke up and my back door was all open and I can't find my daughter.

DISPATCH: Can't find what?

CALLER: My daughter.

DISPATCH:Ok. When did you last see her?

CALLER: Um, we just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock. She was sleeping (inaudible).

DISPATCH: Ok. How old is your daughter?

CALLER: She's 5.

DISPATCH: OK. What was she last seen wearing, Ma'am?

CALLER: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

DISPATCH: OK. Alright, you said your back door was wide open?

CALLER: Yes, with a brick. Like, there was a brick on the floor. Like, when I went to sleep the door was not like that.

DISPATCH: Was your back door locked do you know?

CALLER: Yes. The back door always stays locked.

FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison.

DISPATCH: It's OK sir, we got them on the way. Can you give me a description of the pajamas she was wearing?

FATHER: I don't (expletive) know I was at work.

[Snow_Dream]

there was no bus stop there when he bought the house....the school district could easily move it, but they won't :cursing:

sorry CW, I've gone O/T

Contact the media, maybe drawing attention to the issue will cause the school district to change it.

[Santa'sMom]

Ok. Another article states that the girlfriend got up to go to the bathroom and noticed that Haleigh wasn't in her room. So, which is it? or is it neither? Why can't the media be bothered to take the few moments to get the facts before they present a story? Isn't that supposed to be part of the job?

As for checking on children in the middle of the night, my babies are 18 and 30 and I still check on them whenever I wake up at night, even though one has a Doberman in the room and the other has a Chow and a Bulldog.

[lune3]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

It's very confusing. The girlfriend is now stated as 17 years old and in the 911 call, said the door was always locked. The father arrives at the same time the girlfriend is on the phone. And why would a teenager called Haleigh her daughter, strange. Was there a cousin there or not?
Even more confusing are the comments made by local people, listed at the end of the "previous" article on which you can click below the article with the 911 call.
The father's words sound absolutely frantic. Praying that there is a good outcome, but it isn't likely at this point.

[juliekan]

Why are there so many inconsistencies in the reporting/and or statements?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html
DISPATCH: Was your back door locked do you know?

CALLER: Yes. The back door always stays locked

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2864
Ms. Croslin said she awakened around 3:30 a.m. and discovered Haleigh missing when she checked on the children. She stated the bedroom door was open, and that the home had not been locked.
Mr. Cummings believed he saw signs of a force entry into the home but the police have ruled that out

[juliekan]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison

OK, he's been home a few minutes and has already jumped to this conclusion? Just thinkin'.....

[lune3]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison

OK, he's been home a few minutes and has already jumped to this conclusion? Just thinkin'.....


Well he could be in a panic, coming to the worst conclusion. I don't know. But I'd think if he just got home, he'd be running around outside looking for her..unless they both did that before calling 911.
Something I noticed..in every article so far the father, in his quotes, has never called his daughter by her name, Haleigh. It's always been "my daughter" or "my child".

[juliekan]

And I just flipped through my recordings of Jane VM and Greta VS tonight, and they even had info at odds with each other and with the articles we have seen. And no one mentions the 3rd child in the home. :confused::confused:

[lune3]

And I just flipped through my recordings of Jane VM and Greta VS tonight, and they even had info at odds with each other and with the articles we have seen. And no one mentions the 3rd child in the home. :confused::confused:

It IS confusing. There's a comment by a local person who says Haleigh has a three year old brother (same mother), but that it's unknown who the 2 year old is...person was speculating the 2yr old is the teenage girlfriend's child. Also said the dad had temporary custody of Haleigh, saying they didn't know why.

[omsk99]

It IS confusing. There's a comment by a local person who says Haleigh has a three year old brother (same mother), but that it's unknown who the 2 year old is...person was speculating the 2yr old is the teenage girlfriend's child. Also said the dad had temporary custody of Haleigh, saying they didn't know why.

Per this article below, it sounds like the 2-year old brother has the same parents as Haleigh (I saw his photos on the mother's MySpace, who also has a third child with another man), and the 176-year old, earlier referred to as "cousin" is in fact Misty Croslin, the father's girk-friend. In this case, the two children were in one bedroom, there was no teenager with them.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

This is so, so sad :sad:

ETA: I am still confused... If there was a brick holding the door open, why are LE saying there was no sign of forced entry (I guess it's not really a forced entry, but would indicate someone put it there; obviosuly, so they could escape easily). How would someone know that the door would be unlocked? And that the father was at work? It would have to be someone who knows the family and their routine. What a scary thought!

[n/t]

It concerns me that she hasn't been found yet. When I first read about this story, I thought perhaps the dad and girlfriend went out partying and left little Haleigh alone with the 2 year old. I thought perhaps she woke up and went to look for her daddy and that's why the door was "open".

Praying Haleigh is found safe :rose:

[jewel6]

My parents used to own a house in this vicinity. I would think that everyone would know about most of the neighbors. Its a really small community. Its woody and the has lots of water. I hope they check out every neighbor. prayers for this little girl!

[desmom]

Media reports do not seem to agree. Did the stories change or are the media not getting it right? Something seems off. Have the father and girlfriend been polyed?

:rose: for Halieigh's safe return

[cassidy]

anything new on this little girl this morning? I hope they found her.

[petraf]

I live very close to were this happened, nothing new yet as far as I know.
I believe the reporters can't get their stories straight, nothing new there. Guess we have to wait and see. I feel for the dad but I have a strange feeling about the GF. I hope I am wrong.

Pray for the safe return of Haleigh :rose:

[cassidy]

I live very close to were this happened, nothing new yet as far as I know.
I believe the reporters can't get their stories straight, nothing new there. Guess we have to wait and see. I feel for the dad but I have a strange feeling about the GF. I hope I am wrong.

Pray for the safe return of Haleigh :rose:

Than you. I hope they find Haleigh soon.

[jewel6]

http://news.staugustine.com/news/2009/02/11/putnam-girl-missing/

[msgatorslayer]

Hi all. There is another thread in Amber Alerts which looks busier than this one. I've PM'ed CW and asked her to merge it. At the time I started this one, it wasn't an Amber Alert.

Conflicting news reporting on this one. I'm so glad that the National Media has picked up on it so fast though.

See ya over here ----->

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348929&page=3

[msgatorslayer]

Haleigh :rose:

This is reminding me of Jessie Lunsford. Please, no. Let her be found. Not another child taken from the comfort of her own bed.

The dogs tracking her to the river is not good. :sad:

[jewel6]

here is their local paper.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/

[desmom]

here is their local paper.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/

Thanks Jewel6. From your link:

Massive search targets woods, river in South Putnam for missing girl
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news01.txt

Haleigh wasn't in bed. The back door of a blue doublewide mobile home was open, and a blanket and sheets were scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.

Authorities said they were told Haleigh's father, Ronald, had just ended his shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. His girlfriend, Misty Croslin, said she had been sleeping next to Haleigh, but when she awoke, the blonde-haired girl was gone.

"She was sleeping right next to me," Croslin told the Daily News while distributing flyers bearing Haleigh's photo. "I can't believe I didn't hear anything.

Aunt: Haleigh timid around strangers
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news02.txt

[happy2bme]

Thanks Jewel6. From your link:

Massive search targets woods, river in South Putnam for missing girl
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news01.txt

Haleigh wasn't in bed. The back door of a blue doublewide mobile home was open, and a blanket and sheets were scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.

Authorities said they were told Haleigh's father, Ronald, had just ended his shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. His girlfriend, Misty Croslin, said she had been sleeping next to Haleigh, but when she awoke, the blonde-haired girl was gone.

"She was sleeping right next to me," Croslin told the Daily News while distributing flyers bearing Haleigh's photo. "I can't believe I didn't hear anything.

Aunt: Haleigh timid around strangers
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news02.txt

The girlfriend was in the bed with Haleigh? I read yesterday that a two year old and a 17 year old were sleeping with her? Sheets were scattered by the door? Could you really sleep through that? I guess I am just a light sleeper.

[joolz]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison

OK, he's been home a few minutes and has already jumped to this conclusion? Just thinkin'.....


I guess it could be suspicious, but if it were me, that would - unfortunately - be exactly the conclusion (or maybe fear) I would immediately leap to. I don't think you can read or watch the news and not be afraid of that when a young child disappears. jmo

[happy2bme]

I guess it could be suspicious, but if it were me, that would - unfortunately - be exactly the conclusion (or maybe fear) I would immediately leap to. I don't think you can read or watch the news and not be afraid of that when a young child disappears. jmo


ITA! Especially this day & age. :mad:

[WhiteShark]

Wow someone can't get the city to make him move? It is against the law for a registered sex offender to live that close to a bus stop...that would definitely freak me out.

It is against the law in our county as well BUT.....in Momma Whiteshark's community, there is a sexual predator who lives directly across the street from a bus stop----how does he get away with it? His step-father (who is now dead) was a judge in another county, so the predator was able to get a special "waiver". The judges influence I guess was especially strong because he was able to get this waiver from the grave as he had died a couple of years before the waiver application for...........:cursing::cursing:

The only good thing is that this "waiver" is to be up for reconsideration by the county next month. The commission has several new members now and we are all campaigning hard.....:angry:



what is with all these conflicting stories....I pray for this child, but sadly it sounds as wierd as Caylee's story did in the first couple of days with all these versions.

[VC2]

I guess it could be suspicious, but if it were me, that would - unfortunately - be exactly the conclusion (or maybe fear) I would immediately leap to. I don't think you can read or watch the news and not be afraid of that when a young child disappears. jmo

Especially when you know/are certain you werent involved and neither was anyone in your family and she would not go out on her own. There really is not much of a different conclusion

[WhiteShark]

Since it appears the dogs led investigators right to the dock from the trailer, that could imply that Haleigh may have been taken immediately by boat. She could be anywhere along that river. I wonder if boats normally dock there and if so, whether LE is looking into boat owners or whether people saw any unfamiliar boats.

sadly, one also has to wonder if the child just walked down there, fell or jumped in and if that isn't sad enough---if alligators were around. This is Florida. :ohmy::crying:

[JD1974]

It is against the law in our county as well BUT.....in Momma Whiteshark's community, there is a sexual predator who lives directly across the street from a bus stop----how does he get away with it? His step-father (who is now dead) was a judge in another county, so the predator was able to get a special "waiver". The judges influence I guess was especially strong because he was able to get this waiver from the grave as he had died a couple of years before the waiver application for...........:cursing::cursing:

The only good thing is that this "waiver" is to be up for reconsideration by the county next month. The commission has several new members now and we are all campaigning hard.....:angry:



what is with all these conflicting stories....I pray for this child, but sadly it sounds as wierd as Caylee's story did in the first couple of days with all these versions.


I listened to the snippet of the 911 call, they both sound shocked. Now if it is true that there was a brick up against the door, sheets outside of the house I cannot see how the dad could of came to any other conclusion about what had happened with his daughter. Why would a 5 year old put a brick there? I think when he came home he knew exatly what happened just by looking around.

I really hope they find this little girl, I think if I was in the same position as the dad I would say the same thing to 911, better find the person who took her before I do.

[JD1974]

I wonder if she often went there to the dock, or went there very recently and that's how they got her scent to the dock, because she had played there the day before.

I am honestly getting the feeling like this is someone who knows them and possibly used the dock to remove her. That brick is what is sticking out in my head right now.

[PatsyB]

I thought for there to be an amber alert, there had to be a car involved. I haven't heard anything about a car. Am I wrong about this? I hope they find this child and she is alright, but with each passing hour, hopes for a good outcome are getting slimmer.

[Amy]

Per this article below, it sounds like the 2-year old brother has the same parents as Haleigh (I saw his photos on the mother's MySpace, who also has a third child with another man), and the 176-year old, earlier referred to as "cousin" is in fact Misty Croslin, the father's girk-friend. In this case, the two children were in one bedroom, there was no teenager with them.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

This is so, so sad :sad:

ETA: I am still confused... If there was a brick holding the door open, why are LE saying there was no sign of forced entry (I guess it's not really a forced entry, but would indicate someone put it there; obviosuly, so they could escape easily). How would someone know that the door would be unlocked? And that the father was at work? It would have to be someone who knows the family and their routine. What a scary thought!

The girlfriend told the dispatcher that the door HAD been locked. That changed? Cuz, I remember on another board where someone said, so many sex offenders in the neighborhood and they don't lock their doors?

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All,

Investigators are pursuing "several different angles"

I am holding off on posting my opinion for the moment because the news reports are all over the place, but I have a very bad feeling about this case.

[Amy]

The girlfriend was in the bed with Haleigh? I read yesterday that a two year old and a 17 year old were sleeping with her? Sheets were scattered by the door? Could you really sleep through that? I guess I am just a light sleeper.

It seems the 17 y/o is the girlfriend. And, in the video I saw last night, (where none of them looked to be 17, so maybe she wasn't in it) the dad and an older woman say the girlfriend went to the bathroom and when she came back the little girl was gone. But, it seems HER statement is she was asleep. Either way, kind of spooky that someone could take a little girl sleeping right next to an almost adult, OR, to be lurking in the house and taking the opportunity of taking the little girl while the girlfriend went to the bathroom.

And, her age might make a difference--in the sleeping thing. Most teenagers seem to be able to sleep thru anything. If the kids hadn't been w/them long, she might not have gotten into the mommy groove yet of sleeping w/one ear open to hear the kids.

[JD1974]

It seems the 17 y/o is the girlfriend. And, in the video I saw last night, (where none of them looked to be 17, so maybe she wasn't in it) the dad and an older woman say the girlfriend went to the bathroom and when she came back the little girl was gone. But, it seems HER statement is she was asleep. Either way, kind of spooky that someone could take a little girl sleeping right next to an almost adult, OR, to be lurking in the house and taking the opportunity of taking the little girl while the girlfriend went to the bathroom.

And, her age might make a difference--in the sleeping thing. Most teenagers seem to be able to sleep thru anything. If the kids hadn't been w/them long, she might not have gotten into the mommy groove yet of sleeping w/one ear open to hear the kids.


It could even be that it was normal for the dad to remove the little girl from the bed once he got home and put her into a different bed? You would be used to that after awhile and it wouldn't wake you up...if something like that was going on..once again someone that knows the routine.

[WowZer1]

Live webcam at scene

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Also CHILD WAS ABDUCTED!
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

[JD1974]

Live webcam at scene

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Also CHILD WAS ABDUCTED!
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted



I knew it! God I hope they find that little girl. I knew when I listened to that 911 call that this dad knew his daughter was abducted.

Oh yeah and I also can't say much about the girlfriend yet, I am stating my opinion only about the father.

[happy2bme]

Live webcam at scene

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_1


Also CHILD WAS ABDUCTED!
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted


From the link:


According to investigators, Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m.
It was around the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone. Investigators say the back door was wide open, but won't say if there was any forced entry


I am really confused. Now the girlfriend says the little girl got up to go the bathroom? If she was awake to know the little girl got up wouldn't she have heard something? Would she not go and check on her when she didn't immediatly return? Something not right here.:sneaky:

[JD1974]

44 sex offenders within 5 miles...holy...

[kaylynn]

From this link:

"Haleigh's grandfather Johnny Sheffield told FOX 35 that he was distraught over the disappearance of his granddaughter. He says he does not know much about Ronald's girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, but thinks she is suspicious."

Also, this article states that Haleigh is the one that got up at 3 to go to the restroom. None of these areticles are consistent.

I'm susupicious of the gf but it is just my hinky meter.

I'm wondering if the articles aren't consistent because the girlfriends stories aren't consistent.. :confused: I mean, the media has to be getting this information from somewhere...

Anyways, I really really hope that Haleigh is found safe, and soon. But, like most others, I have a bad feeling about this case. :sad:

:rose:

[WhiteShark]

So there were three in the bedroom. I can understand a two year old sleeping through anything, but a 17 year old? You'd think that a perp taking a child would have caused some sound, or that Haleigh would have woken up and made some noise. Wonder if they each slept in separate beds.

Well, it isn't impossible. Remember Elizabeth Smart--wasn't her sister in the room. And then poor Polly-----that was a sleepover with several girls. Danielle had a sibling in the room. It can be done as we have seen reported many times....although it seems impossible to a lot of us.

[JD1974]

Well, it isn't impossible. Remember Elizabeth Smart--wasn't her sister in the room. And then poor Polly-----that was a sleepover with several girls. Danielle had a sibling in the room. It can be done as we have seen reported many times....although it seems impossible to a lot of us.



It seems impossible to us because we can't comprehend kidnapping a child. When these predators want a specific child they will take a lot of chances.

[Maelstrom5]

I think we all have a very bad feeling. Statistically speaking, stanger abductions are rare.

But, stranger abduction or harmed by someone in her own home, the odds of her being found safe at this point are very slim. :(


I don't get the feeling that this is a stranger abduction. A question I want answered is "When was the last time Haleigh was seen by someone outside the immediate family? Was she seen by neighbors or friends earlier on the night in question?”

[CANDYKISSES]

It seems impossible to us because we can't comprehend kidnapping a child. When these predators want a specific child they will take a lot of chances.

I look at that precious child and KNOW I couldn't leave her a state behind period. I understand her biological mother has spoken with authorities and she got there quickly from GA, but no media access.

Maybe that's for the best, but just maybe mom and dad pleading for her return could reach Haleigh.

So, a brick was left holding the back door open....that leads me to believe abduction and not looking at the GF at THIS TIME. I feel that way simply because IF a predator was watching and waiting, they could have been ready and waiting for just a slight opportunity to whisk her away.

I am just sick thinking about all the sexual offenders in that area. :crying:

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't get the feeling that this is a stranger abduction. A question I want answered is "When was the last time Haleigh was seen by someone outside the immediate family? Was she seen by neighbors or friends earlier on the night in question?”


Very good question Maelstrom. I hope someone will step up and confirm that pretty quickly. The cam is still not working no matter what browser I use. Does anyone know if they are dredging the water or what kind of waterway it actually is?

[happy2bme]

That's the question that I see suspicously missing from all of the news reports.

GP says gf is 'suspicious'.

I read in another article that the GF is not to have contact with the family.

[JD1974]

I look at that precious child and KNOW I couldn't leave her a state behind period. I understand her biological mother has spoken with authorities and she got there quickly from GA, but no media access.

Maybe that's for the best, but just maybe mom and dad pleading for her return could reach Haleigh.

So, a brick was left holding the back door open....that leads me to believe abduction and not looking at the GF at THIS TIME. I feel that way simply because IF a predator was watching and waiting, they could have been ready and waiting for just a slight opportunity to whisk her away.

I am just sick thinking about all the sexual offenders in that area. :crying:

Oh that brings up another inconsistency the new report indicated the mom also lived in FL, maybe close to the Georgia border?

[petraf]

CNN has a different time line now

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/

From link

Haleigh had been put to bed at 8 p.m., the girl's grandparents told reporters Wednesday. Croslin went to the bathroom two hours later and returned to find the child missing, grandmother Marie Griffis said.

[happy2bme]

Yes and she's back with her family now, right?

I believe so.

[juliekan]

I guess the brick in the door would be placed there because someone knew they would be carrying her out (hands full).
I wonder if the GF has been changing her story, because different sites are still reporting things differently (ie, gf DID say she went to the bathroom, then she changes it Haleigh went)

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has tentatively set a 2 p.m. news conference to update the public on the latest developments, per firstcoastnews.com. Now if they will just show the whole thing today, unlike yesterday when TH butted in and started talking :rolleyes:

[texasgal]

OK .. I soooooooooo hesitate to come out and say this but ...

If I were a teenager, living with an older man, taking care of his children, and "something" happened:

a. I accidently or purposely hurt her and disposed of her
b. I had someone else over who did something to her
c. Had someone I knew who took her
d. Sold her ..
e. Whatever .....

... and I knew that my "man" was coming home at 3:30, this would be the perfect time to "get up and discover her missing". I mean, chances are I'm still awake and will have to explain that somehow .. I'm in survival mode and am going to get my story told and get the heck out of there .. (I'm now staying with MY family now instead of supporting my "man" in his/our most horrible nightmare.. right?)

____________________________________

I know this is all speculation, but if LE is seeing forced entry .. then are they seeing a STAGED scene ie, the back door propped open, sheets conviently leading out that same door .. how neat ..

Either way .. stranger abduction, or 'other' .. so many lives will never be the same ..

UGH!

[happy2bme]

CNN has a different time line now

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/

From link

Haleigh had been put to bed at 8 p.m., the girl's grandparents told reporters Wednesday. Croslin went to the bathroom two hours later and returned to find the child missing, grandmother Marie Griffis said.

also from the link:

Haleigh had been put to bed at 8 p.m., the girl's grandparents told reporters Wednesday. Croslin went to the bathroom two hours later and returned to find the child missing, grandmother Marie Griffis said.
"She's out there somewhere, I can feel her. I can feel her presence," said Griffis. "She's screaming


I was disturbed by that.

[WhiteShark]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html

I am quoting this from the article KittyMom posted
FATHER: I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone. I need someone to be here now. I'm telling you. If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing him. I don't care. I'll spend the rest of my life in prison.

Maybe I am just to jaded now after these last several years of children being murdered by family members but this is the very first thing that set off my hinky meter for sure (before that it had only been hovering at a 1 or 2-----now I am up to a 8, if you know what I mean):ohmy:

why would dad immediately say he is gonna kill whoever took his daughter unless he has some knowledge someone took her. The caller says a brick was by the backdoor, which was unusual. Leaving a brick there sounds more like something a resident would do in order to be sure they could come back in either because there was a problem with the door or they needed to re-enter very quietly. :sneaky:A predator/stranger would not need to be sure he/she would be able to get back in the house.:confused:

[Mandysmom]

CNN has a different time line now

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/

From link

Haleigh had been put to bed at 8 p.m., the girl's grandparents told reporters Wednesday. Croslin went to the bathroom two hours later and returned to find the child missing, grandmother Marie Griffis said.

Good Lord! I hope and pray that they find this angel unharmed.

:sad:

[JD1974]

CNN has a different time line now

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/

From link

Haleigh had been put to bed at 8 p.m., the girl's grandparents told reporters Wednesday. Croslin went to the bathroom two hours later and returned to find the child missing, grandmother Marie Griffis said.

WTHeck???? Why would she wait until 3 am to call 911 then?? I think the GF may be changing stories and I notice how fast she took off back to her family....

[omsk99]

This has to be one of the most confusing cases I have followed lately. Aside form that, I think that if Haleigh was abducted, the abductor had to know that the father wouldn't be home, I just can't imagine someone randomly coming into the house in the middle of the night (or even 10 pm if the most recent timeline is more accurate) looking for a girl to abduct, without her parents around. That person had to have known this family dynamics.

This reminds me of both Riley Ann Sawyers and Jessica Lunsford, either scenario seem to fit somewhat. Either something happened while father was away and the GF was involved (accidentally or not), like in Riley's case, or she was abducted with people inside the house.

The media OR the GF are not making it easier to understand what exactly happened, since almost every account of that night contradicts each other!

[juliekan]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Police: Missing girl was
abducted
Last Edited: Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009, 11:15 AM EST

SATSUMA, Fla. - Putnam County Sheriff's deputies are now calling the case of a missing 5-year-old girl an abduction

Investigators say Croslin is now with her family. They are not calling her a suspect at this time

[texasgal]

http://wokv.com/

Link to the 911 audio

Part 2 Father tells GF "How the F(foul word) did you let my daughter get stolen B(foul word)"

WOW!


Well, THAT could explain why she's back with HER family, huh? eeeek!

[Dogmatic]

I can't get the live webcam to load? Anyone else?

I can't either.

O.k. so we have a Dad with a 17 year old girlfriend. Yikes. Not good.

Said the door was locked, but was propped open with a brick after she discovered the child missing. Sheets from the childs' bed outside. Dogs leading to river or lake. No sign of forced entry, but perhaps a door left unlocked.

1. someone knew Dad worked nights and that there was two young girls there alone.
2. Dad and/or girlfriend know more than they are saying.

This one has eery similiarites to Jessica Lunsford and Danielle VanDam. Little girls being stolen from their beds!!!!!

CAN WE PLEASE GET A ONE STRIKE LAW PASSED FOR CHILD PREDATORS. PLEASE?

[omsk99]

Authorities with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said they have not identified a suspect.

"We're not focusing on any person as a person of interest right now. It is still truly a whodunit, meaning whether it's an abduction or a homicide or if she just wandered out," Putnam County Sheriff's Office Major Gary Bowling said.

Authorities searched the St. Johns River with boats on Tuesday, as well as an aerial search of the area using helicopters.

http://www.nbc6.net/news/18690319/detail.html

Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.

"They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water," said Bump.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3

[JD1974]

Coming from a man who is sleeping with a girl that could be his own daughter.......

The dad is only 25, how could he be her father?

[juliekan]

Coming from a man who is sleeping with a girl that could be his own daughter.......


I thought the father was 25 yo?

[darcie]

Geeeeez. What a mess. I hope LE can get this straightened out, and work at the task at hand of finding Haleigh.

Come home safe little one.......Already been gone way to long.

[Dogmatic]

The dad is only 25, how could he be her father?

My bad. I saw a news report that he was 35. Please retract my statement.

[texasgal]

Coming from a man who is sleeping with a girl that could be his own daughter.......

If he is 25 and she is 17, that would make him a father at 8 years old ..:tonguewag:

Still disgusting, but he's NOT old enough to be her father ..

[happy2bme]

http://wokv.com/

Link to the 911 audio

Part 2 Father tells GF "How the F(foul word) did you let my daughter get stolen B(foul word)"

WOW!

I wanna know what time the father got off work? He looked like he could have been drinking or otherwise intoxicated. JMO

I understand the father is upset but he sounds like a jerk. Immature one at that....he tells 911 ,"f### her date of birth" when asked the childs date of birth.

[omsk99]

Coming from a man who is sleeping with a girl that could be his own daughter.......

He's 24 or 25 (depending on the source). Also, she put "19" on her MySpace, who knows, maybe that's what she told him, too.

I think it's commendable that he is taking care of his two little children. The mother has another little child with another man (per her MySpace), so I think it's wonderful he is raising his children, I am sure it's not easy, especially with his work schedule (coming home at 3 am). I can understand he was in shock and mad, and I wouldn't be too quick to judge his reaction to such horrible news. JMO

[texasgal]

Does daddy have anger issues?? Would be interesting to talk to ex-wife .. I know he's upset and all, but some of that is just uncalled for. I guess that's just "normal" for some folks....

[juliekan]

<snipped>
I want to know exactly what time the father got off work.

Yesterday Fox News reported that LE was checking time cards and video from his work to see if he was at work when he said he was. I guess to rule him out ASAP.

[JD1974]

http://wokv.com/

Link to the 911 audio

Part 2 Father tells GF "How the F(foul word) did you let my daughter get stolen B(foul word)"

WOW!

I wanna know what time the father got off work? He looked like he could have been drinking or otherwise intoxicated. JMO

I don't know, if you take out the language out he is just desperate. I think I would be flipping out and blaming her also, even if she didn't have anything to do with it. I just put it down to absolute devastation and lashing out at the person who was there. I also heard him say who cares about her date of birth we need to find her...well with cuss words.

[omsk99]

Does daddy have anger issues?? Would be interesting to talk to ex-wife .. I know he's upset and all, but some of that is just uncalled for. I guess that's just "normal" for some folks....

I don't think she would have him raising her two children if he was that bad or had a horrible temper. I do not condone such language or reactions, but I also want to give him the benefit of the doubt and not to judge his moral character because honestly, I don't know how I would react in such situation, at 3 am, frantic, worried and shocked, and not knowing where to look for my daughter.

[camracrazy]

If the dad worked 3rd shift like previously reported, why was he home at 3-3:30 a.m.? 3rd shift jobs are usually 10-6 or 11-7.

[Dogmatic]

Dogs go to the end of the dock and then stop and look out in the water. Possible kidnapping by boat?

[texasgal]

I don't think she would have him raising her two children if he was that bad or had a horrible temper. I do not condone such language or reactions, but I also want to give him the benefit of the doubt and not to judge his moral character because honestly, I don't know how I would react in such situation, at 3 am, frantic, worried and shocked, and not knowing where to look for my daughter.

Fair enough ..

[juliekan]

If the dad worked 3rd shift like previously reported, why was he home at 3-3:30 a.m.? 3rd shift jobs are usually 10-6 or 11-7.

It depends...I know someone who worked 6pm-2am shift at a hospital...I know weird hours.

[Dogmatic]

If the dad worked 3rd shift like previously reported, why was he home at 3-3:30 a.m.? 3rd shift jobs are usually 10-6 or 11-7.

I'm sure they are checking it out

[omsk99]

15 minutes ago

"SATSUMA, Fla. (AP) — Sheriff's deputies searched house-to-house Wednesday and dive teams probed the St. Johns River for a 5-year-old north Florida girl who went missing from her bed."

"The girl's disappearance has not been classified as an abduction.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1Nac1XKmGDPZKMEdJOz4f2oHBzgD969GOJ81"

P.S. Per this article, the brother is now 4 years old! :rolleyes:

[JD1974]

15 minutes ago

SATSUMA, Fla. (AP) — Sheriff's deputies searched house-to-house Wednesday and dive teams probed the St. Johns River for a 5-year-old north Florida girl who went missing from her bed.

The girl's disappearance has not been classified as an abduction.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1Nac1XKmGDPZKMEdJOz4f2oHBzgD969GOJ81

P.S. Per this artuicle, the brother is now 4 years old! :rolleyes:


OMG can anything else change!!! I can see the dad saying who cares about her birthdate, seriously how is that going to find her? At least at this point in time anyway....

[juliekan]

I'm sure they are checking it out

Yesterday Fox News reported that LE was checking time cards and video from his work to see if he was at work when he said he was.

[omsk99]

Fair enough ..

Just thinking he must be going crazy and feeling so helpless... :seeya:

[juliekan]

Fox News: father and girlfriend have been investigated in the past by child services

[happy2bme]

Found this on another board. This is very interesting. Check it out.



http://twitter.com/GSReporters


The Gainesville Sun has a Twitter page with instant updates

[BevAnn]

Well, I hate to say it, but I have a mouth like a sailor! I keep it curbed 99% of the time. I swear I do!! LOL BUT, if this was ME, and one of my babies was missing, oh you can bet, cuss words would be flying out of my mouth, esp if I was frustrated with questions I felt weren't relevant at that exact moment.

I can also say, if I knew one of my boys had been taken - I'd be saying the same thing - if I find the person before you do, he's a dead man.

Call me mama lion! :wink:

What I don't quiet get, is his anger towards the gf....like he knew something he's not really saying....

[juliekan]

Found this on another board. This is very interesting. Check it out.



http://twitter.com/GSReporters


The Gainesville Sun has a Twitter page with instant updates

THANKS.

Haleigh has had bruises and smelled like pot after being with her father :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Fox News: father and girlfriend have been investigated in the past by child services

Oh Julie, between this and the jon boat reported on twitter, I am really getting ill. Oh how I pray we are not looking at another family of dysfunction and a deceased child. :crying:

[Mandysmom]

Does daddy have anger issues?? Would be interesting to talk to ex-wife .. I know he's upset and all, but some of that is just uncalled for. I guess that's just "normal" for some folks....

It's not unusual for people who are under stress to take it out on 911 operators or whoever is handy at the time.

I don't see anything suspicious about that. Now if he were beating the heck out of the gf, it would be something entirely different.

:mad:

[juliekan]

from the twitter link:

sherriffs dept just left father's neighborhood towing small jon boat

[BevAnn]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

couple of new items in this article:

Haleigh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield, told MyFOXOrlando.com that he was distraught about the girl's disappearance and characterized Croslin as suspicious, though he admitted he didn't know much about her.

Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she found the child was gone.

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and her father's girlfriend Mistie Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's trailer home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

[CANDYKISSES]

THANKS.

Haleigh has had bruises and smelled like pot after being with her father :sad:


Yes, I saw that too. I can't imagine leaving that child behind for any reason known to mankind, I just can't.

JMO:crying:

:rose:Praying for little Haleigh's life right now.

[lune3]

I can understand inconsistencies at the beginning but it seems to me the inconsistencies in times and descriptions of what happened are getting worse. Its more than 24 hours later, you'd think the facts would be straight by now.

These changes in stories come from the girlfriend's words and what she saw/did rather from the dad.

Something that's a bit coincidental to me is that the girl appears to call 911 at the precise time the dad comes home.

[JD1974]

THANKS.

Haleigh has had bruises and smelled like pot after being with her father :sad:


Who reported this, seems funny he had temp custody, I wonder if this was a way for the mom to recieve custody. Not saying it isn't true but you wouldn't believe the stuff people do during child custody cases. I had CPS called on ME because my friend came over my house with her kids and she was battling her ex for cutody, he said all kinds of horrible things. CPS walked in looked around and promptly left, they even apologized to me and my children for disrupting our day.

[happy2bme]

I can understand inconsistencies at the beginning but it seems to me the inconsistencies in times and descriptions of what happened are getting worse. Its more than 24 hours later, you'd think the facts would be straight by now.

These changes in stories come from the girlfriend's words and what she saw/did rather from the dad.

Something that's a bit coincidental to me is that the girl appears to call 911 at the precise time the dad comes home.


I noticed this as well.

[juliekan]

JD1974: check the twitter link

http://twitter.com/GSReporters

the grandmother is quoted about the bruises and pot

[Maelstrom5]

Found this on another board. This is very interesting. Check it out.



http://twitter.com/GSReporters


The Gainesville Sun has a Twitter page with instant updates

It think GP's comments ARE TELLING and as I said before this does not have the feel of a stranger abduction to me.

[happy2bme]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021109Kidfinders_Josh_Duckett_to_help_in_search_fo r_missing_girl

Kidfinders, Josh Duckett
to help in search for
missing girl

[Mandysmom]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021109Kidfinders_Josh_Duckett_to_help_in_search_fo r_missing_girl

Kidfinders, Josh Duckett
to help in search for
missing girl

:thumbsup:for Josh Duckett, :thumbdown:Kidfinders.

[JD1974]

I think the dad saying how the (f) could you let someone take my kid (b) says something actually, how would he know anyone but the gf could hear it, I think it shows he genuinely thinks someone took her.

[VC2]

Found this on another board. This is very interesting. Check it out.



http://twitter.com/GSReporters


The Gainesville Sun has a Twitter page with instant updates

thanks happy. I dont think smelling of pot is a big issue in the sense of her being missing. There are millions of parents who smoke pot and who the grandparents disapprove of. Its easy for us to forget that it means little within the context especially a trailer - smoking in one room would be enough to make a kid smell of it even if they weren't present.

Remember the van damms? people were all suspicious of them because they were into swinging sex. Sometimes a less than orderly lifestyle or normal one has to be separated from being a child killer.

Seems like the gp's really hate the father but we have no idea if its based on reality. The child services calls may all be due to them and unfounded, we just don't know nor do we know what the mom told the gp's about the dad.

[JD1974]

JD1974: check the twitter link

http://twitter.com/GSReporters

the grandmother is quoted about the bruises and pot


I looked, that is the grandmother on the mother's side correct?

[Dogmatic]

The police dept is towing a boat away from the house.

The dogs stopped at the end of the dock and stared out into the river.............

Listen to the dogs. They have no agenda

[WhiteShark]

That's the question that I see suspicously missing from all of the news reports.

GP says gf is 'suspicious'.

One of those news stories said that Dad said he last saw Haliegh when she got off the school bus as he was getting ready to go to work.....

Yea, interesting that GP came right out and said the GF was suspicious. Very interesting.:unsure:

[Keegan]

I hope this father has it documented that he was at work. Looks like fake tears to me.

[happy2bme]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090210/VIDEO/902100302/1008/WEATHER?Title=Interview_with_father_of_missing_5_y ear_old


Interview with the father

[juliekan]

I looked, that is the grandmother on the mother's side correct?

I don't know, but would think probably since also on twitter it says "grandparents on the mother's side are huddled around a Baker County sheriff "

[JD1974]

Grandfather and mother not allowed to search?? Also Haleigh's mother says from what she knows the father's gf treated her daughter right...kind of conflicting from her parents?

[BevAnn]

wow! I've never heard of this Twitter - but it's kinda cool!

Latest "news" on there is that the mom says she's always thought the gf treated her babies right.

[lune3]

The girl told 911 the door was locked. LE said no appearance of break in. So how do you suppose a perp got in? So was she lying? Maybe she felt guilty so she said that? I'm really not sure about this girlfriend.

[omsk99]

JD1974: check the twitter link

http://twitter.com/GSReporters

the grandmother is quoted about the bruises and pot

I worked in a day care center for a while, and had to record any bruises/ scratches etc. as part of my job. A day wouldn't go by without dozens of kids getting new bruises, scratches or other small injures while playing and running around. It really doesn't mean much, unless the bruises were consistent with abuse, but I doubt that is the case here since he was the one taking care of two kids and NOT the mother.

[omsk99]

Grandfather and mother not allowed to search?? Also Haleigh's mother says from what she knows the father's gf treated her daughter right...kind of conflicting from her parents?

In the early stages of a search LE usually do not allow family members or volunteers assist in the search; I think it's a standard procedure. I am sure they are still doing it, though (I would be!)

[Pinetree]

What is a "jon boat"?

[Rileyj26]

Ok I hate to say this...but something doesn't add up ..again. And does anyone know why the mother didn't have custody? That poor mother...I can't imagine the pain she is going through. As parents we want to protect our child..and another thing...did I read that the gf is 17?????? What kind of moral compass does this dad have?

[lune3]

Thinking about the father's rant and cursing, I think if he was involved he wouldn't go off his rocker like that unless he's one heck of an actor.
Seems like a spontaneous reaction, bad as it is.

[JD1974]

I hope this father has it documented that he was at work. Looks like fake tears to me.

Better than none, to me it looked like the mother had none during her interview. Could the gp's have taken her? Now they are setting up a defense of the dad was abusing her?

[VC2]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

couple of new items in this article:

Haleigh's grandfather, Johnny Sheffield, told MyFOXOrlando.com that he was distraught about the girl's disappearance and characterized Croslin as suspicious, though he admitted he didn't know much about her.

Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she found the child was gone.

Haleigh, her 2-year-old brother and her father's girlfriend Mistie Croslin went to bed in the same room in the family's trailer home at about 10 p.m. Monday night, investigators said. Croslin told deputies the little girl got up between 3 and 3:30 a.m. to go to the bathroom.

see i may not understand the inconsistencies but then i also dont have a lot of respect for reporters waiting to get teh facts..they often get it wrong if they are talking to a number of 3rd party ppl like gp's and other family members who are getting info through many sources.

The gp's bug me. He doesnt know much about the g/f but she is suspicious to him??? haileigh had bruises? well i expect any normal 5 year old to have bruises if she is anything like a tomboy, climbing trees, running, playing. If they looked like a beating i suspect that there would have been follow up and charges. Seems as if they are trying to make the dad and g/f guilty out of their own fear for haileigh or dislike of them
imo

[Rileyj26]

True...but something does NOT add up!

[3Monkeys]

:rose: for Haleigh

There is way too much (mis)information for me to form an opinion at this time.

Nothing I've read has made me overly suspicious of either the father or his girlfriend. Yeah, he comes across as not-a-nice-guy on the 911 call, but far be it from me to pass judgement - He sounded absolutely frantic.

Until I have evidence otherwise, I feel terrible for him, and his gf who seems like she's torn between reporting the child missing and keeping him calm-ish.

I hope for Haleigh's safe and quick return, but gosh, it just doesn't sound good.

I hope it was an abduction - because that means there is hope - albeit from what statistics tell us, that hope is slim.

[omsk99]

What is a "jon boat"?

"A Jon boat is a flat-bottomed boat constructed of aluminum or wood with 1 to 3 bench seats. Their most useful purpose is for hunting due to the greater level of stability as compared with a V-hull aluminum boat; however they are quite suitable for fishing as well"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_boat

[kaylynn]

True...but something does NOT add up!

I agree.

Are there any press conferences set up for today?

[CANDYKISSES]

Ok I hate to say this...but something doesn't add up ..again. And does anyone know why the mother didn't have custody? That poor mother...I can't imagine the pain she is going through. As parents we want to protect our child..and another thing...did I read that the gf is 17?????? What kind of moral compass does this dad have?


Maybe her parents can tell us.

[VC2]

Ok I hate to say this...but something doesn't add up ..again. And does anyone know why the mother didn't have custody? That poor mother...I can't imagine the pain she is going through. As parents we want to protect our child..and another thing...did I read that the gf is 17?????? What kind of moral compass does this dad have?

Dad is 25. That is not that unusual if the 17 year old is reasonably mature (or at least street smart mature) and fit his maturity level. There are many 25 year old men who are less mature than 17 or 18 year old women, they seem to grow up slower. Not saying it is optimal or even good but i bet that there are lots of posters who married at 17 or 18 to a man in his early to mid twenties and it worked out well. My grandma did :D

[omsk99]

I agree.

Are there any press conferences set up for today?

Someone posted here that there will be a live update in about an hour.

[kaylynn]

Someone posted here that there will be a live update in about an hour.

Oh ok, thanks. I heard there was supposed to be a PC today, but I heard about 3 different times as to when it was supposed to start, so I just thought I'd check. Thanks.

[WhiteShark]

http://wokv.com/
Link to the 911 audio
Part 2 Father tells GF "How the F(foul word) did you let my daughter get stolen B(foul word)"
WOW!
I wanna know what time the father got off work? He looked like he could have been drinking or otherwise intoxicated. JMO

Right, like I said, my hinky meter is about at 8 or 9 re: the GF. I just wonder if she made some comments to the dad.........this is right nup NG's alley.
About the dad..........he does work some really odd hours, not getting off until around 3 am..and we don't know how much sleep he has had in the last couple of days. Maybe he needed a beer or 2...I can kind of excuse that for him right now.

[Rileyj26]

NG will be all over this. And regarding the OP comments...your grandmother may have...that was then..this is now. My 17 year old daughter would not being playing house with a 25 year old man. I am sorry but I was a 17 year old girl once and my parents would have NEVER allowed this. Where are her parents guidance in ANY of this?

[omsk99]

Right, like I said, my hinky meter is about at 8 or 9 re: the GF. I just wonder if she made some comments to the dad.........this is right nup NG's alley.

About NG in this case... Yes and no, remember Melinda Duckett?

I tend to think neither the GF nor the father had anything to do with this, although based on 'facts' (and I am using this terms loosely here!), it sees to me the abductor had to know the family dynamics somewhat, to know that there will be no father or another male adult in the house at such hour, unless it was someone way too bold to attempt an abduction regardless of who was at home.

[jewel6]

If a jon boat was used i think the neighbors would of heard it in the quite of the night. That is if it had a motor. Maybe that is a lead that they have.jmo This is heart breaking.

[Rileyj26]

I wish NG would stop the Caylee coverage and focus on this...it might bring some tips.

[WhiteShark]

from the twitter link:
sherriffs dept just left father's neighborhood towing small jon boat

sorry to admit this, but I never been to twitter. It is kind of amazing and certainly interesting.:thumbsup:

[juliekan]

Someone posted here that there will be a live update in about an hour.

I posted an article earlier that said they hoped to have a presser around 2pm. I guess that would be Florida time.

[Rileyj26]

Oh I agree the FBI should question everyone..that would include me if my child was missing. Although I would be heavily medicated if this was my child.

[WhiteShark]

:thumbsup:for Josh Duckett, :thumbdown:Kidfinders.

wonder how long it will take for George to help. I know he feels strongly about helping families in the same boat he was while Caylee was missing. I agree :mad: about kidfinders...

[WhiteShark]

Thinking about the father's rant and cursing, I think if he was involved he wouldn't go off his rocker like that unless he's one heck of an actor.
Seems like a spontaneous reaction, bad as it is.

especially if he was in some kind of custody battle with Mom. I agree, he does sound for real............but I have been fooled before.

[CANDYKISSES]

NG will be all over this. And regarding the OP comments...your grandmother may have...that was then..this is now. My 17 year old daughter would not being playing house with a 25 year old man. I am sorry but I was a 17 year old girl once and my parents would have NEVER allowed this. Where are her parents guidance in ANY of this?

Now you're on the right track IMO. Parents have responsibilities until a child is eighteen and somehow this situation is existing. They have our answers as to why the GF is there all night sleeping with the kids and/or living there whatever the case may be.

JMO

2:00 is the scheduled PC but I didn't get who will be covering it. I hope FOX and/or CNN will have it too.

[juliekan]

Fox News: Captain says they are concentrating on the St. John's River. Plan to interview father and girlfriend again.


Presser in about 15 minutes.

[BevAnn]

now on Twitter they are saying mom says Haleigh loves purses and computers....wonder how much she knew her daughter, or how long they've been seperated - what the particulars are on this custody situation?

[juliekan]

especially if he was in some kind of custody battle with Mom. I agree, he does sound for real............but I have been fooled before.

I had visions of Susan Smith in my head. :sad:

[juliekan]

now on Twitter they are saying mom says Haleigh loves purses and computers....wonder how much she knew her daughter, or how long they've been seperated - what the particulars are on this custody situation?

Haleigh was supposed to spend this next weekend with her mother.

[Rileyj26]

Was Misty Croslin attending school during the day? Again going to be a bad guy but kids now days are not mature enough to handle adult situations....and now regardless of the implications and if she had a hand in this she is very much in an adult situation. And regarding the maturity comment....she isn't mature or she would be living on her own, or with her parents or relatives attending school and wouldn't have been hooking up with a 25 year old with custody battles surrounding them. And smoking pot or at least being around it. Maturity is standing up for what is right....regardless of the age.

[WhiteShark]

About NG in this case... Yes and no, remember Melinda Duckett?
I tend to think neither the GF nor the father had anything to do with this, although based on 'facts' (and I am using this terms loosely here!), it sees to me the abductor had to know the family dynamics somewhat, to know that there will be no father or another male adult in the house at such hour, unless it was someone way too bold to attempt an abduction regardless of who was at home.


I remember melinda, but I am not of the school that blames NG. I thought she killed herself because she knew she couldn't keep up the lies about what she had done....especially to her own grandmother.

I agree with everything else you said, except about the GF. I don't know if something accidental happened or what. I just think the GF has a lot to say to investigators.

[Rileyj26]

From True Crime report:

Haleigh's father has insisted that she was afraid of the dark and would not roam at night. This may have been why he was so certain right away that his daughter had been abducted. A 2-year-old child was asleep in the same room as Haleigh, and he was fine. Police said there was no sign of forced entry into the mobile home.

The Cummings residence is on a rural road in a heavily wooded area. I'm tempted to reject the idea of a sex offender kidnapping the little girl, but then I realize that in some ways, this case bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the disappearance of Jessica Lunsford.

Except, that is, for the age of the missing child. Every time I've written about a missing child who fell prey to a sexual predator, that child has been at least 7 or older. Predators who target children as young as 4 or 5 certainly do exist -- but they are relatively rare. Rarer still -- silent snatching in the dead of night. Joseph Edward Duncan III snatched two children in the dead of night, but he killed the childrens' family to eliminate witnesses -- and just maybe because he wanted to.

The odds are, most of the time, that a child as young as Haleigh Cummings is more likely to fall prey to someone close to her.

[openminded]

now on Twitter they are saying mom says Haleigh loves purses and computers....wonder how much she knew her daughter, or how long they've been seperated - what the particulars are on this custody situation?

I briefly watched a little of the interview with the father and he said he's had her by himself since she was 2. At least I think that's what he said (I found him a little hard to understand but that might just be my speakers).

[BevAnn]

ok, I have a few thoughts rambling in my head...

Sounds like we MIGHT be dealing with some people who MIGHT use recreational drugs....what if dad's at work...gf has a friend(s) over for a little smoking and toking...so she's pretty stoned and falls asleep. Maybe the friend (a guy) does something to Haleigh. ORRR...maybe in a drug induction sleep, she doesnt know that Haleigh went outside...

I guess I'm wondering if gf might have been impaired in some way so she isn't saying what really happened to keep herself out of trouble?

ehh, just a thought... :confused:

[KittenCakes7]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the dad's crying act. I think he's hiding something.

[Rileyj26]

Bev Ann..I can see that happening.

[juliekan]

<snipped>The odds are, most of the time, that a child as young as Haleigh Cummings is more likely to fall prey to someone close to her.

Except there are at least 26 (other report said 44) registered sexual offenders in the area.

[BevAnn]

I briefly watched a little of the interview with the father and he said he's had her by himself since she was 2. At least I think that's what he said (I found him a little hard to understand but that might just be my speakers).

I wonder if the mom was getting every other weekend visitation? She lived some ways away, right?

[CANDYKISSES]

now on Twitter they are saying mom says Haleigh loves purses and computers....wonder how much she knew her daughter, or how long they've been seperated - what the particulars are on this custody situation?

In his interview the dad said he's been raising her ON HIS OWN since she was two years old. Just him speaking to the reporter in between crying and trying to hold himself together. I hope this sweet child is still with us. JMO

[Rileyj26]

Who is Mom?

[kaylynn]

Who is Mom?

I haven't heard her name released yet.

[BevAnn]

Bev Ann..I can see that happening.

What I also forgot to say was - being 17 I can see where she wouldn't realize that drug charge or not - it's nothing compared to how important it is that she tells us what really happened.

Also, if she was impaired it might account for some of the inconsistancies in her story. Why she might make a poor judgement call of waiting to call 911 until the dad got home?

[omsk99]

Was Misty Croslin attending school during the day? Again going to be a bad guy but kids now days are not mature enough to handle adult situations....and now regardless of the implications and if she had a hand in this she is very much in an adult situation. And regarding the maturity comment....she isn't mature or she would be living on her own, or with her parents or relatives attending school and wouldn't have been hooking up with a 25 year old with custody battles surrounding them. And smoking pot or at least being around it. Maturity is standing up for what is right....regardless of the age.

How do we know there is a custody battle, has it been reported? Sorry if I missed it, but I haven't seen anything about it in any of the news reports or people's comments. It is quite possible that was a mutually agreed on arrangement. The mother has a little child with another man, maybe that played a role in who would be taking care of the two older children, or maybe they both had them from time to time.

Regarding the GF, we don't know how long they have been together, or how serious they are. On her MySpace, she listed herself at 19 years old, maybe that's what she told Ronald Cummings. And who knows what she had told her parents regarding her relationship or her living situation.

I understand what you are all saying and we may disapprove of their lifestyle, but I honestly don't think their lifestyle had anything to do with what happened. Elizabeth Smart was from a well-to-do family, and yet still was taken from her home with another child in the room. JMO